[CitizensTruth] Webster Tarpley interviews Philip Berg

[Geri Perry]

Got to love you Hal,

and it's REALLY, REALLY GOOD that the house meeting was "oversubscribed".

This neighbor-to-neighbor type of thing is exactly what we all need to 
engage in, rather than pinning false hopes and investing precious time 
on a puppet president (NO specific reference to Obama intended, it's 
just a fact of rigged elections and a rigged political system, as Dennis 
Kucinich used to say).

Becoming, as you say, "involved in a dialogue with people whose views 
oppose our own rather than isolate such people as enemies" is also more 
beneficial in the long run than pinning our hopes on a phantom dream 
like universal health care.

But I have to ask, are these house parties filled with people who hold 
opposing views, or do they mostly agree on the common goal of universal 
health care - and therefore base their discussion on false assumptions 
which then limits them to focus on strategy and technique rather than 
underlying, root issues?

One such issue, upon which a plethora of false assumptions are based, 
has to do with universal health care - which can never be more than a 
"phantom dream" within the present context. Why? Because a health system 
that benefits the people and not the corporatists and financiers will 
NEVER be provided under the current money system - or within the current 
political system, carefully constructed as it was by the money powers, 
and otherwise known as the "sovereign power structure that surrounds the 
Federal Reserve."

Hilary showed us that any "universal" health care system will always 
benefit the money powers - and so did the highly concerted 
marginalization of Kucinich who had the ONLY people-centered health care 
proposal ever put forth by any pol. Truth is, DK's people-centered 
system is impossible  in a debt-based money system - but it was WAY 
better than ANYTHING  that will come out of the Obama admin. You can 
count on it.

We have to ask - and seek the REAL answer - for whom did  "The tent just 
get a lot bigger"?

It is time to think outside the box, and one crucial method is, as you 
indicate, to become "involved in a dialogue with people whose views 
oppose our own . . ." 

However, please do consider that said dialogue is meaningless unless and 
until we truly know and can  name what it is that harms us.

gerip


Hal Snyder wrote:

> I was at a health care house meeting yesterday. It was one of numerous 

> (hundreds?) of such meetings across the country called for by the 

> Obama transition team asking for public input to the health care 

> dialogue *before* the inauguration.

>

> The meeting was oversubscribed. It was a great example of grassroots 

> organizing. Bring people together with a common general concern. Hear 

> specific stories, brainstorm over solutions, identify skill sets, and 

> establish a forum for local leadership to emerge.

>

> Imagine that, an administration inviting us to participate instead of 

> telling us to go shopping or making us all suspects in the War on Terror.

>

> Barack Obama comes from a tradition of community organizing that goes 

> back to Saul Alinsky. This showed in his campaign and it shows in the 

> appeal to the grassroots we are seeing in the transition agenda. It's 

> up to us to participate in this opportunity or to continue passively 

> as critics and outsiders to the process of governance.

>

> The tent just got a lot bigger. That is going to take some getting 

> used to. I would much rather be involved in a dialogue with people 

> whose views oppose mine than isolate them as enemies.

>

> On Dec 28, 2008, at 12:25 PM, Geri Perry wrote:

>

>> I do agree that inasmuch as there are "so many urgent constitutional 

>> violations that are actually threatening us that a person who is 

>> sincere about the Constitution would be spending their energy on 

>> those fronts."

>>

>> However, I strongly disagree that Obama is any way the leader we may 

>> hope and assume - but perhaps this belief is based on years of 

>> mainstream news (and individual citizen) reports forwarded to a now 

>> defunct Kucinich gang which showed Obama in anything but a favorable 

>> light. Following the Money is a first and major step to getting at 

>> the heart of those news reports - and the mainstay of Obama's support 

>> - now and then.

>>

>> One has to ask: EXACTLY WHAT is it that Obama has EVER done that 

>> shows a) he will follow through with his promises, b) that he will 

>> come anywhere NEAR 9-11 questions and c) that he will forsake the 

>> Money Masters in favor of We the People? Good article which speaks to 

>> this last question in particluar, by Michel Chossudovsky: 

>> http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10860

>>

>> Next we have an article which is an illustration of a pol who may not 

>> know all the answers, but who at least makes every attempt to avoid 

>> "speaking with a forked tongue". In addition this article details 

>> exactly what happened when said pol had the where-with-all to forsake 

>> the Money Masters: 

>> http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20081215_rep_dennis_kucinich_on_his_battle_with_the_banks/ 

>>

>>

>> Lest you assume that the Cleveland experience caused Kucinich to 

>> become "more political" watch this video clip, appropriately titled 

>> "Dennis Kucinich (not Barack Obama) grills Neel Kashari on Bailout 

>> Scam": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hpyf-hS_WgY

>>

>> And this 33 second video "Kucinich to Kashkari - Who Are You working 

>> for?" (a question you won't find Obama asking the Money Masters 

>> anytime soon): 

>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evpFtFfPWP8&feature=related

>>

>> This is in no way an ad for Kucinich but the truth is that regardless 

>> your personal political bent, it is responsive, courageous, truth 

>> seeking pols like Kucinich - who have demonstrated not only through 

>> word, but also through action -  that We the People need, not 

>> prevaricators like Obama.

>>

>> We MUST know and name what harms us, or we will remain forever in 

>> bondage to the slave masters!

>>

>> gerip

>>

>>

>> Connie Smith wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>> More than ever, I can't see any sensible reason to pursue this.  

>>> There are so many urgent constitutional violations that have piled 

>>> up and are actually threatening us that I would think a person who 

>>> is sincere about the Constitution would be spending their energy on 

>>> those fronts.

>>>

>>> But instead, there's a vendetta-like search for a technicality to 

>>> un-do probably the only legitimate election process (in terms of 

>>> votes counted) that we've had in decades.  It's petty, vicious, and 

>>> stupid.

>>>

>>> If there was any evidence that Obama is some sort of foreign agent 

>>> trying to sneak into the presidency and, from there, take over the 

>>> world, maybe it would merit some attention.

>>>

>>> But to seriously pursue to derail the inauguration of an intelligent 

>>> guy who's soaked in the values of his American midwestern-roots 

>>> nurturers, who has a history of humanitarian ideals and actions, who 

>>> is highly-solution oriented, and who is willing to literally risk 

>>> his life to take on arguably the hardest job in the world (and 

>>> probably more temperamentally and intellectually qualified than 

>>> anyone we've ever had before) -- well, it's an absolutely idiotic 

>>> effort.  It's an outright sinister effort.

>>>

>>> There ARE extremely serious -- critical -- constitutional issues to 

>>> work on. SINCERE people will do that.  But Berg and buddies have the 

>>> mentality of assassins and ought to be regarded and treated with the 

>>> utmost scorn and contempt.

>>>

>>> Connie

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Rynearson" 

>>> <edward_rynearson at yahoo.com>

>>> To: <citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net>

>>> Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 12:33 AM

>>> Subject: [CitizensTruth] Webster Tarpley interviews Philip Berg

>>>

>>>

>>>> December 27, 2008

>>>>

>>>> Despite hundreds of news stories to the contrary, Philip Berg's 

>>>> case before the Supreme Court is still alive. Webster Tarpley talks 

>>>> to Philip Berg who asks listeners to write to the Supreme Court and 

>>>> let them know that you care deeply about the constitution and 

>>>> consider them to be its last defense.

>>>>

>>>> http://www.radiodujour.com/people/berg_philip/

>>>>

>>>> (It will all be over with soon.  We can laugh about all of this 

>>>> waiting together in the food line at the FEMA camp.)

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