From futurenotwritten at yahoo.com Sat Nov 1 08:34:59 2008 From: futurenotwritten at yahoo.com (Jay Becker) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 05:34:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CitizensTruth] "What to Do with Bush & Cheney?" Message-ID: <122155.84938.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Forward widely! http://www.counterpunch.org/loo10312008.html October 31, 2008 The Electoral Remedy What to Do with Bush and Cheney? By DENNIS LOO It's been eight years - almost to the day ? that Bush and Cheney lost the election but seized the White House anyway. It?s been four years ? almost to the day ? that Bush and Cheney lost the election again, but took the White House anyway. Now we are on the verge of yet another election, the third in a row dubbed by many ?the most important in our lifetime.? Bush and Cheney aren?t on the ballot, but those who would carry on their policies are. And once again the Democratic Party, the loyal opposition, puts forth their alternative. What has not been broached in this election contest? What has most conspicuously been avoided? * * * In spite of the multitudinous evidence of their abuse of office and their horrid crimes strewn around us like rubble from an earthquake, the Bush regime remains: rotting, festering, and infecting the people, the country, and the planet, despoiling our past, our present, and setting the precedent for a future in which any president can override the law at will. For a White House as unpopular as this to leave office Scott free can only mean that the rest of this country's political leadership has actively colluded with them.? There have been literally scores of events during the last eight years that could have and should have precipitated a legitimacy crisis, beginning with the stolen election of 2000. In every instance, the Democratic Party and the mass media have refused to expose the illegitimacy of Bush and Cheney's ascension to power and their continued rule, no matter how egregious the revelation, no matter how fundamental the trespass, no matter how widespread the people?s demand for accountability and justice. The Democratic Party and the mass media have refused to indict, impeach, prosecute, and convict this White House. They have, instead, despicably, shielded the Bush regime from the righteous wrath of the people and diverted our attention to the "electoral remedy," a remedy that is no remedy at all for what this regime has done. In the face of the Bush regime's disasters and deepening depravity, our government has been increasingly vicious and ever more open in its use of force against the people. In addition, in a classic and necessary one-two punch, fraud has been used more and more to keep the public in check and politically passive. Without force and fraud this shame could not continue. The co-conspirators with the Bush regime are the very same individuals who have been telling us for years that we should trust them and leave things in their hands and put our faith in elections. They have told us that it is just "not worth it" or it's just "too divisive" or "it's off the table" or it's "not warranted" or any number of other disingenuous and atrocious excuses to account for why they won't impeach the criminals in the White House. These are the same "leaders" who have continued to fund the mass murder politely referred to as the Iraq "War," the same colluders who have awarded the White House felons and the major telecom companies with immunity for their illegal spying upon all of us, the same moral cowards who legalized torture and stripped us of habeas corpus rights, the same "representatives of the people" who caved before Paulsen and Bush's assertions that the sky was falling when it was their own "the free market can do no wrong" policies that brought this disaster on in the first place. Why even Alan Greenspan, that Fed Chairman Seer, is now being forced to acknowledge the fundamental flaw in his free-market ideology ? the free market doesn?t work! These are the same people, parties, and institutions that now tell us that the solution to this disaster that they are implicated in is to vote for one of them to "fix" all of this ? McCain or Obama. We're supposed to be overjoyed that we have the right to choose from one or the other, even though both of them have been part of the problem all these years. They could have filibustered and they didn't. They could have stood up in the face of tyranny and demanded it end NOW. They could have said that torture's unthinkable and it must stop NOW. But they didn?t, they haven?t and they won?t. What does that tell us? Without force and fraud this shame could not continue. Whatever you do, we've further been told, DON'T rock the boat in this election and don't do anything outlandish like demonstrate in the streets because that would harm Obama's chances! He won't listen to us then! He'll get mad at us! The fascists in and around the GOP will also get mad at us and make things worse! It is better, we're told by these misleaders or wavering allies, that the people participate in our rulers' rigged game and ?hope for the best? than rouse the people and mobilize the unorganized anger and frustration and give it a powerful expression in an independent people?s movement that resounds throughout every corner of the society. It would be unseemly to step outside their rigged game, we?re told. It wouldn't do for the American people to do anything impolite like call out lies as lies, corruption as corruption, and crimes against humanity as crimes against humanity. If you have been wondering why others around you aren't doing what they should, then do what must be done: if you will stand up for such outdated notions as facts, justice, truth, science, reason, equity, the rule of law, the protection of those in need against the predations of the rich and powerful, the equality of women and their right to a safe and legal abortion, the division between church and state, and the fundamental equality of all nations and peoples, then show it now. Don?t be silent any longer! Without force and fraud this shame could not continue. Wear an orange ribbon daily and take a public stand against torture, unjust wars and the crimes of the Bush regime and this government of colluders. Spread orange and spread the resistance. Make copies of this essay and hand it out in school, at bus stops, on the trains, in the streets, in the parks, in the workplace. Hand out orange ribbons for others to wear. Get your friends together and plan actions like holding signs that say things like: No Torture! No Wars on Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iran! Stop Thinking Like Americans and Start Thinking Like Human Beings! Get your classmates together to demonstrate against the vultures calling themselves military recruiters. Shut them down! Get your co-workers and friends together to call for war criminal John Yoo to be fired from his UC Berkeley Law Professorship. Rouse the people, the slumbering giant, against these infamies! Join with the World Can't Wait in bringing into being the one thing that can really do something: an autonomous, powerful, movement of the people, beholden to no one except to the truth and to justice. A legitimacy crisis must be brought into being. It is up to the people now to make this happen. Our leading institutions have steadfastly refused to do this. If we fail in this task then any future president has a green light to do whatever he or she pleases. Remaining mute in the face of tyranny represents moral cowardice of the highest order. This is not something that we can leave up to others to take of. Fighting against monstrous injustices can?t be delegated to others regardless of who wins this election. We must each of us take a stand. Nothing else will avail. Without force and fraud this shame could not continue. Will we continue to let them? Dennis Loo is an associate professor of Sociology at Cal-Poly Pomona. He is the co-author of Impeach the President: the Case Against Bush and Cheney. He can be reached at http://dennisloo.blogspot.com. Declare It Now! Wear Orange! Impeach Bush & Cheney for War Crimes & Crimes against Humanity! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From edward_rynearson at yahoo.com Sat Nov 1 14:56:22 2008 From: edward_rynearson at yahoo.com (Edward Rynearson) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 11:56:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CitizensTruth] Philip Berg Obama Citizenship Question on CNN iReport Message-ID: <751706.47148.qm@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Saturday, November 1, 2008 An Open Letter to Barack Obama (CNN iReport) "I know you are busy running for President of the greatest country in the world, but there are a couple of things about your background and qualifications for the office that concern me and many of my fellow Americans. Never before has a Presidential candidate failed to fully disclose routine information about their background that might help the voters make an informed choice in an election. It seems that many records concerning your background have either be been sealed or are temporarily unavailable for review. I know that any honest person like yourself, who is running for the highest office in the land, would never overtly want to keep such information from public review." http://www.radiodujour.com/people/berg_philip From dimension04 at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 1 15:49:46 2008 From: dimension04 at sbcglobal.net (Connie Smith) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 14:49:46 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Philip Berg Obama Citizenship Question on CNNiReport In-Reply-To: <751706.47148.qm@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <751706.47148.qm@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DC77865199141DFB8E816C2669543F1@InspironConnie> I'm not sure it's accurate that Obama records have been sealed and not disclosed. That's been claimed but not demonstrated. And Phil Berg's case based on that was thrown out of court. Also, the piece you're distributing is an iReport -- it isn't a CNN news report, as some might misperceive. So all of this could still be rumor-mongering to try to derail Obama. But I do remain open to the facts, should they emerge. Connie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Rynearson" To: Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 1:56 PM Subject: [CitizensTruth] Philip Berg Obama Citizenship Question on CNNiReport > Saturday, November 1, 2008 > > An Open Letter to Barack Obama (CNN iReport) > > "I know you are busy running for President of the > greatest country in the world, but there are a couple > of things about your background and qualifications for > the office that concern me and many of my fellow > Americans. Never before has a Presidential candidate > failed to fully disclose routine information about > their background that might help the voters make an > informed choice in an election. It seems that many > records concerning your background have either be been > sealed or are temporarily unavailable for review. I > know that any honest person like yourself, who is > running for the highest office in the land, would > never overtly want to keep such information from > public review." > > http://www.radiodujour.com/people/berg_philip > _______________________________________________ > CitizensTruth mailing list > CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > website: http://citizenstruth.info From hal at drxyzzy.org Sun Nov 2 09:37:41 2008 From: hal at drxyzzy.org (Hal Snyder) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 08:37:41 -0600 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Philip Berg Obama Citizenship Question on CNNiReport In-Reply-To: <4DC77865199141DFB8E816C2669543F1@InspironConnie> References: <751706.47148.qm@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4DC77865199141DFB8E816C2669543F1@InspironConnie> Message-ID: <180DCB26-465F-45F6-866A-A9565590FDBF@drxyzzy.org> There appears to be a single source on the story that Obama's birth certificate was "sealed". The author is Jerome Corsi, author of such books as "Unfit for Command" and "The Obama Nation". One site promoting Corsi's story is "The RIGHT Perspective", which also has an editorial cartoon from PATRIOT ART.COM depicting Obama as a vampire with the word "Socialism" writ large at the bottom. Looks to me as if Corsi, who makes a living from character assassination, is just working another angle with the strange assertion that a document was somehow sealed (by people who are not authorized to publicize it) after it was made public (by someone who was authorized to do so). Hal P.S.: Decide for yourself what this implies about Philip Berg. On Nov 1, 2008, at 2:49 PM, Connie Smith wrote: > I'm not sure it's accurate that Obama records have been sealed and > not disclosed. That's been claimed but not demonstrated. And Phil > Berg's case based on that was thrown out of court. > > Also, the piece you're distributing is an iReport -- it isn't a CNN > news report, as some might misperceive. > > So all of this could still be rumor-mongering to try to derail > Obama. But I do remain open to the facts, should they emerge. > > Connie > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Rynearson" > > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 1:56 PM > Subject: [CitizensTruth] Philip Berg Obama Citizenship Question on > CNNiReport > > >> Saturday, November 1, 2008 >> >> An Open Letter to Barack Obama (CNN iReport) >> >> "I know you are busy running for President of the >> greatest country in the world, but there are a couple >> of things about your background and qualifications for >> the office that concern me and many of my fellow >> Americans. Never before has a Presidential candidate >> failed to fully disclose routine information about >> their background that might help the voters make an >> informed choice in an election. It seems that many >> records concerning your background have either be been >> sealed or are temporarily unavailable for review. I >> know that any honest person like yourself, who is >> running for the highest office in the land, would >> never overtly want to keep such information from >> public review." >> >> http://www.radiodujour.com/people/berg_philip From edward_rynearson at yahoo.com Sun Nov 2 10:44:57 2008 From: edward_rynearson at yahoo.com (Edward Rynearson) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 07:44:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [CitizensTruth] Philip Berg Obama Citizenship Question on CNNiReport In-Reply-To: <180DCB26-465F-45F6-866A-A9565590FDBF@drxyzzy.org> Message-ID: <735237.98741.qm@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Connie asked to be removed from this discussion so I did that: Hal, It doesn't matter whether its true of not, what matters is that they (The New World Order) could rip this country apart by suspending the elections "until they could get to the bottom of this". Obama could win and then be disqualified. The issue is now before the Supreme Court, the people that brought us George Bush in 2000. http://www.youtube.com/watchv=BNFmOHUeMtw&feature=channel Obama's Auntie an illegal alien living in public housing and campaign returning her contributions story was on the frontpage of CNN's website. John Conyers questioned the timing . . . so do I. http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&nolr=1&q=obama+aunt Its like one big political "Truman Show". Ed From garyfranchi at gmail.com Sun Nov 2 11:08:24 2008 From: garyfranchi at gmail.com (Gary Franchi) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 10:08:24 -0600 Subject: [CitizensTruth] OH... Think of the questions! Message-ID: <2c9e41bb0811020808g740441b8p6744370d300142e2@mail.gmail.com> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDP78qSMi2k Once we start asking questions this program will surely end. -Gary -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From edward_rynearson at yahoo.com Sun Nov 2 12:20:54 2008 From: edward_rynearson at yahoo.com (Edward Rynearson) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 09:20:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [CitizensTruth] Cindy Sheehan and Bruce Fine Interviews Message-ID: <190123.94538.qm@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dennis Bernstein talks to Cindy Sheehan about the most recent in a series of attacks on her campaign headquarters coming after an encounter with the her opponent, the Speaker of the House of Representatives. http://www.radiodujour.com/people/sheehan_cindy/index.shtml Peter B Collins talks to Bruce Fein about the tattered state of our constitution and how unbelievable and ridiculous Nancy Pelosi's stance that George Bush has done nothing to warrant impeachment has become (Cindy Sheehan call in to radio show with Nancy Pelosi included). http://www.radiodujour.com/people/fein_bruce/ From deanna at spingola.com Sun Nov 2 13:44:00 2008 From: deanna at spingola.com (Deanna Spingola) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 12:44:00 -0600 (Central Standard Time) Subject: [CitizensTruth] Philip Berg Obama Citizenship Question onCNNiReport References: <751706.47148.qm@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4DC77865199141DFB8E816C2669543F1@InspironConnie> <180DCB26-465F-45F6-866A-A9565590FDBF@drxyzzy.org> <490DDB71.000029.02256@PC120716747189> <5B17133E-12F1-49D8-9777-E6C17778F683@merr.com> Message-ID: <490DF4F0.000036.02256@PC120716747189> It is the Power Elite cycle and has been for almost 100 years. It is also part of the orchestrated opposition - the left-wing, right-wing Hegelian Dialectical process. All of the divisiveness divides and often enrages some of us. I recognize that some people think Obama is the answer to our problems. "Change," as promised throughout his campaign is a bit too trite and has been repeatedly used by others. The usual process of delegate selection was not used at the Democratic Convention. The California, close to the start, opted out. Clinton's supporters were called out for a special meeting and were not present when Pelosi and Clinton orchestrated a verbal vote as requested by Clinton before they even got to New York. This is totally against Robert's Rules of Order. The Clinton supporters were not there to reject or support. A short time before the convention, the Arkansas super Clinton delegate, Bill Gwatney, was shot and killed. His assailant was immediately apprehended and shot. This certainly sends a message. Obama has some interesting supporters: Soros, Brzezinski, and other questionable characters. Vote fraud has been proven to many people's satisfaction in Ohio in 2004 and Florida in 2000. If Obama were the person so many people think he is, he would have been neutralized. The mass media would also be addressing the birth certificate issue which, despite some opinions, is serious. If he were indeed born in Kenya, this could lead to a constitutional crisis for those of us who still consider that document significant. Nothing will change. It does not matter who "wins" the election. The only way to change things is if the distracted masses turn off the TV, unplug their I-pods and recognize what is going on. Enlightenment about 9/11 might assist. But the mass media is a big factor. He who controls a nations money decides everything. He who controls the mass media controls what everyone thinks and believes. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hal at drxyzzy.org Sun Nov 2 22:59:29 2008 From: hal at drxyzzy.org (Hal Snyder) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 21:59:29 -0600 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Jerry Corsi [was: Philip Berg Obama ...] In-Reply-To: <490DDB71.000029.02256@PC120716747189> References: <751706.47148.qm@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4DC77865199141DFB8E816C2669543F1@InspironConnie> <180DCB26-465F-45F6-866A-A9565590FDBF@drxyzzy.org> <490DDB71.000029.02256@PC120716747189> Message-ID: I think of Corsi as the de facto author. "Unfit for Command" is officially co-authored by John E. O'Neill and Jerome R. Corsi. I forgot to mention O'Neill. Thank you for the correction and for pointing out Corsi's tendency to take liberties with the truth. O'Neill dates back to the Nixon administration when Chuck Colson promoted him as head of the astroturf group Vietnam Veterans for a Just Peace; compare Freedom's Watch and Veterans for Freedom today. AFAIK O'Neill has not published any other books. http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php? title=Vietnam_Veterans_for_a_Just_Peace Corsi has been published many times besides Obama Nation and Unfit for Command, generally cooking something up that will get the right- wingers into a lather: The Late Great U.S.A.: The Coming Merger With Mexico and Canada Showdown with Nuclear Iran: Radical Islam's Messianic Mission to Destroy Israel and Cripple the United States Minutemen: The Battle to Secure America's Borders Black Gold Stranglehold: The Myth of Scarcity and the Politics of Oil Rebuilding America: A Prescription for Creating Strong Families, Building the Wealth of Working People, and Ending Welfare (with former Ohio Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell - remember him from 2004?) Media Matters sources several instances in which Corsi not only engages in half-truths, but indulges in a substantial amount of hate speech. http://mediamatters.org/items/200408060010 On Nov 2, 2008, at 10:55 AM, Deanna Spingola wrote: > John E. O'Neill wrote "Unfit for Command," not Corsi. However, > Corsi does engage in half truths. The birth certificate shown at > Fact Check is an abbreviated document, unlike typical birth > certificates for Hawaii during the exact same time period - 1961. > As a trained genealogist and the Director of the local Family > History Center since 2000, I personally doubt the legitimacy of the > document at Fact Check. I am neither Democrat or Republican so I > have no partisan bias - just document familiarity for more years > than I care to admit. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hal at drxyzzy.org Mon Nov 3 06:45:03 2008 From: hal at drxyzzy.org (Hal Snyder) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 05:45:03 -0600 Subject: [CitizensTruth] does it matter who "wins" the election? [was: Philip Berg Obama ...] In-Reply-To: <490DF4F0.000036.02256@PC120716747189> References: <751706.47148.qm@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4DC77865199141DFB8E816C2669543F1@InspironConnie> <180DCB26-465F-45F6-866A-A9565590FDBF@drxyzzy.org> <490DDB71.000029.02256@PC120716747189> <5B17133E-12F1-49D8-9777-E6C17778F683@merr.com> <490DF4F0.000036.02256@PC120716747189> Message-ID: <4431387E-7FF1-4618-B8DD-560589C059A4@drxyzzy.org> 1. Of course Barack Obama is not the answer. We are the answer. Voting someone into or out of office and then walking away until next election is hardly democracy, rule by the people. Frances Moore Lappe calls the present imitation product "thin democracy": Thin Democracy is an unworkable mental map that keeps us from coming to terms with local-to-global crises. This inherited map includes such ideas as: democracy is something that is done to or for us by distant officials; it is a set system of an elected government plus a market economy; public life is ugly and alienating, so that even the most thoughtful citizens are relegated to simply voting, working and shopping. A single rule?the highest return to shareholders?continues to drive the market, which tends to concentrate wealth and power, which in turn influence the political process. 2. It matters a lot who the winners are on Nov 4. Steve Bhaerman explains in "'Mandate' for Political Climate Change". It's a long article, but I doubt we have short ways to describe the process yet. I believe the choice we face in the coming weeks and months is so profound that even the "apolitical" need to be awakened. ... I also got a few emails suggesting that Obama is part of the same dysfunctional system, himself a tool of empire, so what difference will it make to vote for him? ... You might rightly ask, "Isn't Barack Obama in bed with the likes of Zbigniew Brzezinski, and the same power structure George Bush is part of?" Yes and no. Paradoxically, part of being functional is being part of the empire. ... On Nov 2, 2008, at 12:44 PM, Deanna Spingola wrote: > I recognize that some people think Obama is the answer to our > problems. "Change," as promised throughout his campaign is a bit > too trite and has been repeatedly used by others. > > The usual process of delegate selection was not used at the > Democratic Convention. The California, close to the start, opted > out. Clinton's supporters were called out for a special meeting and > were not present when Pelosi and Clinton orchestrated a verbal vote > as requested by Clinton before they even got to New York. This is > totally against Robert's Rules of Order. The Clinton supporters > were not there to reject or support. A short time before the > convention, the Arkansas super Clinton delegate, Bill Gwatney, was > shot and killed. His assailant was immediately apprehended and > shot. This certainly sends a message. > > Obama has some interesting supporters: Soros, Brzezinski, and other > questionable characters. Vote fraud has been proven to many > people's satisfaction in Ohio in 2004 and Florida in 2000. If Obama > were the person so many people think he is, he would have been > neutralized. The mass media would also be addressing the birth > certificate issue which, despite some opinions, is serious. If he > were indeed born in Kenya, this could lead to a constitutional > crisis for those of us who still consider that document significant. > > Nothing will change. It does not matter who "wins" the election. > The only way to change things is if the distracted masses turn off > the TV, unplug their I-pods and recognize what is going on. > Enlightenment about 9/11 might assist. But the mass media is a big > factor. He who controls a nations money decides everything. He who > controls the mass media controls what everyone thinks and believes. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From deanna at spingola.com Mon Nov 3 08:14:08 2008 From: deanna at spingola.com (Deanna Spingola) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 07:14:08 -0600 (Central Standard Time) Subject: [CitizensTruth] does it matter who "wins" the election? [was:Philip Berg Obama ...] References: <751706.47148.qm@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4DC77865199141DFB8E816C2669543F1@InspironConnie> <180DCB26-465F-45F6-866A-A9565590FDBF@drxyzzy.org> <490DDB71.000029.02256@PC120716747189> <5B17133E-12F1-49D8-9777-E6C17778F683@merr.com> <490DF4F0.000036.02256@PC120716747189> <4431387E-7FF1-4618-B8DD-560589C059A4@drxyzzy.org> Message-ID: <490EF91F.000009.02588@PC120716747189> Despite popular misconceptions, our government is a representative Republic (not a democracy). In both democracies and Republics people vote. That single act does not make you free. Those who finagle their way into office are supposed to represent the voters who allegedly put them there. They are also supposed to sustain an invariable written law ? the Constitution which mandates civil law and our response to it. The non-negotiable Constitution is our explicit gauge of right and wrong, applicable to all without special considerations for occupations such as politicians, sports stars or ?insider? corporate criminals. Since Woodrow Wilson, we have descended into a Socialistic democracy (adaptable mob rule, adjustable laws and poll driven public opinions). All democracies, in which selective enforcement of law is rampant, are short lived, for they typically morph into oppressive tyrannies Whenever laws are passed, under whatever form, if they do not represent the will of the majority of the people or their desires, then they represent oppression. America today has an oppressive government because it passes laws against the will of the people. Thus, we no longer have a Republic. A strong case can be made that America in the 21st century is an Empire, as was Britain in the 19th. Any government that would even consider an issue as ludicrous as hate crimes, the concept of policing thought, is in very serious jeopardy. Of the three branches of government, only the legislative branch is authorized to make law. Presidential executive orders have been unconstitutionally used to make law. The Judicial branch, the Supreme Court, is supposed to interpret the constitutionality of a law. Rather, they invent new interpretations never envisioned by the founding fathers. It is the duty of the Supreme Court to interpret the constitution as ratified by the states not to invent preposterous meanings which were not originally intended by the authors. 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[was:Philip Berg Obama ...] In-Reply-To: <490EF91F.000009.02588@PC120716747189> Message-ID: <247897.76866.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> "To state it in a single sentence, elections: are controlled by the bourgeoisie; are not the means through which basic decisions are made in any case; and are really for the primary purpose of legitimizing the system and the policies and actions of the ruling class, giving them the mantle of a 'popular mandate,' and of channeling, confining, and controlling the political activity of the masses of people." from Democracy: Can?t We Do Better Than That? by Bob Avakian More at www.revcom.us --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Deanna Spingola wrote: From: Deanna Spingola Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] does it matter who "wins" the election? [was:Philip Berg Obama ...] To: "Citizens Truth" Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 7:14 AM #yiv943100803 v\:* { } #yiv943100803 v\:* { } Despite popular misconceptions, our government is?a representative Republic (not a democracy). In both democracies and Republics people vote. That single act does not make you free. Those who finagle their way into office are supposed to represent the voters who allegedly put them there. They are also supposed to sustain an invariable written law ? the Constitution which mandates civil law and our response to it. The non-negotiable Constitution is our explicit gauge of right and wrong, applicable to all without special considerations for occupations such as politicians, sports stars or ?insider? corporate criminals. Since Woodrow Wilson, we have descended into a Socialistic democracy (adaptable mob rule, adjustable laws and poll driven public opinions). All democracies, in which selective enforcement of law is rampant, are short lived, for they typically morph into oppressive tyrannies. ? Whenever laws are passed, under whatever form, if they do not represent the will of the majority of the people or their desires, then they represent oppression.?America today has an oppressive government because it passes laws against the will of the people. Thus, we no longer have a Republic. A strong case can be made that America in the 21st century is an Empire, as was Britain in the 19th. Any government that would even consider an issue as ludicrous as hate crimes,?the concept of policing thought, is in very serious jeopardy. ? Of the three branches of government, only the legislative branch is authorized to make law. Presidential executive orders have been unconstitutionally used to make law. The Judicial branch, the Supreme Court, is supposed to interpret the constitutionality of a law. Rather, they invent new interpretations never envisioned by the founding fathers. It is the duty of the Supreme Court to interpret the constitution as ratified by the states, not to invent preposterous meanings which were not originally intended by the authors. The judiciary makes law through changing precedents as well as by invention, neither of which are constitutionally authorized. ? The foregoing is from one of my articles. _______________________________________________ CitizensTruth mailing list CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth website: http://citizenstruth.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He has been interviewing Gisol victims in Southern California, and trying to contact the fraudsters behind Global Internet Solutions. * *He has now finished the report, and it is due to be screened on:* *Monday Nov 3rd at 10pm Pacific Time** on his show "UNDERCOVER SPECIAL".* ** *You should be able to watch live at that time, wherever you are in the world, on the following link:* *http://media.myfoxla.com/live/* *I CAN'T WAIT!* To find out when the show is on where you are go to this timeanddate.com page . If there is a permanent link to the video afterwards, I'll post it as soon as I can. If you're Stumbling on this post, Gisol is a Webhosting company that has been ripping off unsuspecting customers around the world for years. Things are starting to catch up with them. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We speak to NYU professor Mark Crispin Miller, author of Loser Take All: Election Fraud and the Subversion of Democracy. http://www.democracynow.org/2008/11/3/on_eve_of_election_day_is From garyfranchi at gmail.com Mon Nov 3 13:10:56 2008 From: garyfranchi at gmail.com (Gary Franchi) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 12:10:56 -0600 Subject: [CitizensTruth] FREE REPUBLIC MAGAZINES for your Polling Place Tomorrow - call ASAP! Message-ID: <2c9e41bb0811031010r614a1d42yf19ec03e3c0c8739@mail.gmail.com> *FREE REPUBLIC MAGAZINES for your Polling Place Tomorrow - call ASAP!* Republic magazine editor Gary Franchi would like to encourage you to get out to the polls Tuesday to do some non-partisan campaigning. Work a local polling place, help inform people that neither McCain nor Obama present a legitimate solution, distribute copies of the Republic. Copies of the Republic are available to anyone interested in distributing them on election day at a local polling place and they are available *Free of Charge* to you. Be that last voice of reason before your fellow American walks into the polling place. Plant a seed that may have an impact this election day or for years to come. *Call 847.962.2988 ASAP* to get schedule your pickup of FREE Republic Magazines for your Polling Place. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aroyboy44 at hotmail.com Mon Nov 3 13:53:18 2008 From: aroyboy44 at hotmail.com (andrew ritter) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:53:18 +0000 Subject: [CitizensTruth] There is a great candidate running! Message-ID: Friends, Just a friendly reminder there is indeed a candidate who is running a platform of truth, justice, and reform. Please consider voting for Cynthia McKinney, far and away the most qualified candidate running. Here is that wonderful video of her grilling Rumsfeld in 2006 (including asking him about the war games taking place on 9-11) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eootfzAhAoU peace Andrew _________________________________________________________________ Want to read Hotmail messages in Outlook? The Wordsmiths show you how. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/wedowindowslive.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!20EE04FBC541789!167.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_092008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From edward_rynearson at yahoo.com Mon Nov 3 14:12:49 2008 From: edward_rynearson at yahoo.com (Edward Rynearson) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:12:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [CitizensTruth] Is the New World Order turning us into Bio-Weapons? Message-ID: <706227.66844.qm@web30005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Monday, November 3, 2008 Is the New World Order about to unleash a new racially selective pandemic through the process of mandatory vaccination with an alleged vaccine "against" Avian Flu? Is the New World Order turning us into Bio-Weapons? http://www.radiodujour.com/people/rense_jeff/ From geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com Mon Nov 3 17:22:33 2008 From: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com (Geri Perry) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:22:33 -0600 Subject: [CitizensTruth] does it matter who "wins" the election? [was:Philip Berg Obama ...] In-Reply-To: <490EF91F.000009.02588@PC120716747189> References: <751706.47148.qm@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4DC77865199141DFB8E816C2669543F1@InspironConnie> <180DCB26-465F-45F6-866A-A9565590FDBF@drxyzzy.org> <490DDB71.000029.02256@PC120716747189> <5B17133E-12F1-49D8-9777-E6C17778F683@merr.com> <490DF4F0.000036.02256@PC120716747189> <4431387E-7FF1-4618-B8DD-560589C059A4@drxyzzy.org> <490EF91F.000009.02588@PC120716747189> Message-ID: <490F79A9.5090103@thetwofacesofmoney.com> Good discussion, IMO. and right up my ally. Here's my 2 cents. first, and as i understand it, our founding fathers were opposed to full "democracies" as these were overly susceptible to "mob rule" where the least among us can too easily be ignored. What we have is a "democratic republic" (as Jefferson would have described it) which takes away divine right from kings and would be dictators (or optimally, similarly-minded presidents) and gives sovereignty to average citizens through such things as an emphasis on state and local government, limited federal government, the Bill of Rights, jury nullification and the like. The "new legal regime" of the Reconstruction Amendments, and the subsequent sovereign power structure surrounding the Fed marked the beginning of the end of that original vision (and the truly awesome gift of citizen sovereignty). Both the new legal regime and the sovereign power structure surrounding the Fed were patiently and painstakingly put in place by the money trusts, as was the Great Depression out of which was born the Emergency Banking Act of 1933 - which made American citizen's into enemies of the state. The National Bank Act of 1864, the Fed Act of 1913 and the New Deal provided the means by which the new Sovereign Power Structure could expand and since FDR we have - for all intents and purposes - descended into an Unconstitutional dictatorship. This view was supported by Frank Church's 1973 Senate Report 94-359 on Emergency War powers which had been in effect since 1933. The National Emergency Termination Act of 1976 was supposed to end all that, but of course it didn't. gerip Deanna Spingola wrote: > Despite popular misconceptions, our government is a representative > Republic (not a democracy). In both democracies and Republics people > vote. That single act does not make you free. Those who finagle their > way into office are supposed to represent the voters who allegedly put > them there. They are also supposed to sustain an invariable written > law ? the Constitution which mandates civil law and our response to > it. The non-negotiable Constitution is our explicit gauge of right and > wrong, applicable to all without special considerations for > occupations such as politicians, sports stars or ?insider? corporate > criminals. Since Woodrow Wilson, we have descended into a Socialistic > democracy (adaptable mob rule, adjustable laws and poll driven public > opinions). All democracies, in which selective enforcement of law is > rampant, are short lived, for they typically morph into oppressive > tyrannies. > Whenever laws are passed, under whatever form, if they do not > represent the will of the majority of the people or their desires, > then they represent oppression. America today has an oppressive > government because it passes laws against the will of the people. > Thus, we no longer have a Republic. A strong case can be made that > America in the 21st century is an Empire, as was Britain in the 19th. > Any government that would even consider an issue as ludicrous as hate > crimes, the concept of policing thought, is in very serious jeopardy. > Of the three branches of government, only the legislative branch is > authorized to make law. Presidential executive orders have been > unconstitutionally used to make law. The Judicial branch, the Supreme > Court, is supposed to interpret the constitutionality of a law. > Rather, they invent new interpretations never envisioned by the > founding fathers. It is the duty of the Supreme Court to interpret the > constitution as ratified by the states, not to invent preposterous > meanings which were not originally intended by the authors. The > judiciary makes law through changing precedents as well as by > invention, neither of which are constitutionally authorized. > The foregoing is from one of my articles. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > CitizensTruth mailing list > CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > website: http://citizenstruth.info > From richardfobes at hotmail.com Tue Nov 4 01:01:32 2008 From: richardfobes at hotmail.com (Richard Fobes) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:01:32 -0600 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Noam Chomsky votes McKinney 2008 Message-ID: Noam Chomsky votes McKinney 2008. _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aqmstaffo at mailbag.com Tue Nov 4 13:19:30 2008 From: aqmstaffo at mailbag.com (Daniel Stafford) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 12:19:30 -0600 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Ditch the TV and get online for REAL election-night coverage, Starting with Brad Friedman of Bradblog.com... Message-ID: <49109232.2090301@mailbag.com> /*Ditch the TV and get online for REAL election-night coverage, Starting with Brad Friedman of Bradblog.com...*/ */SPECIAL NOTE - ELECTION NIGHT COVERAGE/* I'm anchoring *"Special Election Night Marathon Coverage"* from 3p-12am PT (6pm-3am ET) on the *NovaM Radio Network* , w/ Mike Malloy, Randi Rhodes, Peter B. Collins, the rest of the NovaM family & experts around the country. We'll be covering /both/ the horse race /and/ the track conditions like no one else! Ask your local station to carry it! */Stream in live/* , call in @ 800-989-1480 & spread the word! - /Brad http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/im-ready-to-declare-a-win_b_140625.html / Arianna Huffington Posted November 3, 2008 | 04:04 PM (EST) BIO Become a Fan Get Email Alerts Bloggers' Index I'm Ready to Declare a Winner in the 2008 Race Okay, all the arguments have been made. And I am ready to declare a winner in the 2008 race. The Internet. (The other winner will have to wait until Tuesday night). From the way campaigns connect to supporters, to the way those campaigns are covered, to the way voters decide who to vote for, 2008 has delivered the first truly 21st century presidential race. And election night promises to fortify the Internet's victory. While discussing with a friend an election night viewing party he's throwing, he announced there would be "televisions all over the place." "That's great," I said, "but just make sure the WiFi is working." Because this year, the laptop -- along with the array of Internet-connected mobile devices -- has replaced the television as the must-have election night device. Of course, we want the TVs, too -- but mostly just to see how the results are covered, what the anchors are saying, when they call it, how the winners and losers react, and how crazy John King gets with his Magic Wall. For real time results, however, the Internet will be the go-to destination. A host of websites, starting with HuffPost, will make it possible for you to choose how and when you want to follow the results -- whether you want to follow them state-by-state and county-by-county or jump between the presidential race and hotly contested Senate and House showdowns. And do it interactively. And if you are a real election junkie, you can log on to each secretary of state's page and get the latest numbers even faster. The clich?d putdown about the blogosphere is that it's just people spouting opinions, but this election has shown it's also about expertise and information -- collated, graphed, spread-sheeted, distilled, and cross-tabbed. Witness the rush to relevance of fivethirtyeight.com and its wonky numbers guy Nate Silver. Lately, it's been hard to go even a couple of hours without hearing someone say, "Nate Silver just wrote about that poll and here's what he says is wrong with it..." As the countdown to Election Day continues, here is a rough guide to some of the Internet's best offerings to help you fill the anxious, final hours of the campaign -- and some places to make sure you check out (or bookmark, if you are Old School like me) as the returns start to roll in on Tuesday. First and foremost (and completely objectively, of course), I hope you'll check out HuffPost's exhaustive Election Night coverage. We'll be featuring up-to-the-minute stories, stats, and video, along with a host of interactive maps, electoral widgets, and fun (and surprisingly accurate ) tools like the Intrade and Betfair election predictors. We'll also bring you intensive reporting and on-the-scene coverage of the vote, including any voting irregularities, from the battleground states by our OffTheBus ' network of citizen journalists. And, of course, we'll have our usual top-flight commentary -- including a host of top bloggers who will be liveblogging the returns as they come in. Plus, a number of our international bloggers will be weighing in from various spots across the globe, letting us know the local reaction to the results. All in all, we're aiming to be a one-stop-shop for all things Election Night. (For those of you who will be out and about on Tuesday, be sure to check out our new HuffPost Mobile site -- http://m.huffpost.com -- which we launched today, in time for on-the-go election day coverage.) Here are some other don't-miss sites: For raw polling data, check out FiveThirtyEight , Pollster.com , Real Clear Politics , Talking Points Memo's Election Central . Here's our final poll compilation page . YouTube has put all its election video onto one page , and has begun a project called Video Your Vote , in which you can video yourself voting and upload it. Google has some incredible election map pages . For instance, here's a great page of historical election maps . Their election homepage is here , use it to find your polling place, get directions, and read what each candidate says about the issues. /Congressional Quarterly/ also has a great page of historical maps here . /The American Prospect/'s election night guide can be found here . DailyKos and TPM both have fun and very functional interactive maps. TechPresident.com's numerous tools and resources -- including The Real Electoral Map and the Twitter Vote Report -- can be found here . For poll closing times, here are pages by CNN , 270 To Win , Swing State Project , and The Green Papers . Want to do your own interactive electoral vote map? There are several to choose from: PBS , Yahoo , /CQ /, CNN , /New York Times /, /Washington Post /. So wherever you will be spending Election Night -- at a party, a campaign event, a bar, or hunkered down on your couch biting your finger nails -- be sure to have your computer, your BlackBerry, or your iPhone nearby, and be a part of what promises to be a historic night -- both for the country and for the Internet. See you online Tuesday night -- and, I hope, every waking moment in-between. 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Orr expects turnout to top 80 percent. The county hit a new high for registered voters in the run up to the election, with 1.4 million on the ro There are 7.7 million registered voters in Illinois. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/wire/chi-ap-il-illinoisvotes-coo,0,4826050.story _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mjkirk12 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 5 10:24:32 2008 From: mjkirk12 at yahoo.com (Mike Kirk) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 07:24:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [CitizensTruth] Great interview with Philip Berg about his application with the Supreme Court (it was denied) In-Reply-To: <753497.92316.qm@web30004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <568301.51356.qm@web83806.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> On CSPAN last night, two callers mentioned this birth certificate issue about Obama. The key thing that would solve this mystery would be to know if and when Obama's mother traveled outside the US at the time of his birth.? Would there be a passport record of this? Based on the Wikipedia site, it shows she was in Hawaii at the time.?? Hawaii was a state in 1961 - so he is a citizen, correct? -Mike --- On Tue, 11/4/08, Edward Rynearson wrote: From: Edward Rynearson Subject: [CitizensTruth] Great interview with Philip Berg about his application with the Supreme Court (it was denied) To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 12:55 PM Monday, November 3, 2008 Lan Lamphere talks with former Pennsylvannia Deputy Attorney General Philp Berg who has filed a lawsuit with the US Supreme Court asking that Senator Barack Obama be compelled to produce a valid birth certificate proving that he is a natural born citizen of the United States of America and eligible to be elected President. http://www.radiodujour.com/people/berg_philip/index.shtml (Nov 3 2008 Application 08A391 denied by Justice Souter) _______________________________________________ CitizensTruth mailing list CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth website: http://citizenstruth.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From edward_rynearson at yahoo.com Wed Nov 5 10:53:39 2008 From: edward_rynearson at yahoo.com (Edward Rynearson) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 07:53:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [CitizensTruth] Great Reader Review of David Ray Griffin's newest masterpiece Message-ID: <718058.67410.qm@web30004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Reader Review at Amazon.com My Apology, October 13, 2008 As soon as I finished reading the book I called my cousin up at college and I apologized to her. She'd been trying to tell the entire family about the 911 Truth and we all have called her crazy for years. I assumed because she was young that she was just wrong. I had watched the videos she'd given to me but part of me was refusing to accept the facts. David Ray Griffin's book has shed pure light on the matter and I cannot live in denial any longer. We have some real problems with a criminal government and the only ones to blame are the likes of people like me and others who have turned our backs on Truth. I don't know how we're going to fix it but I do know for sure that I will not be living a lie any longer. I've purchased five books and plan on giving them to family and freinds. Thank you David Ray Griffin for writing such a powerful and enlightening book. 5 STARS! By B. michels "greenback" (usa) http://www.davidraygriffin.com From garyfranchi at gmail.com Wed Nov 5 13:25:38 2008 From: garyfranchi at gmail.com (Gary Franchi) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 12:25:38 -0600 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Zelicoward Confrontation on Infowars Message-ID: <2c9e41bb0811051025p2efe3b1boa6a2d9db2f142bbc@mail.gmail.com> http://www.infowars.com/?p=5763 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Some of you might live too far out of the city, don't have the time, or even standing on a corner handing out DVDs is just not your thing. There still is an important job you can help us with. That is contribute to our group with a monetary donation. All of our funding has come from a very small group of people in this group. We need help if we are going to be able to sustain and continue to be a force in Chicago. Not only do we need the money so we can continue to spread the truth, but we would also like to expand our efforts and make a bigger impact on the Chicagoland area. By donating money so we can purchase dvds you are spreading the truth yourself. By paying for the DVD you are making it possible for someone else to hand that same DVD to a person on the street. My dad an I are contributing 30 dollars a month each. There are a couple of others that average at least 20 dollars a month. Please donate and if you have the means continue to donate on a continual basis. We try to hand out at least 500 dvds a month. Which we have been doing, but we would also like to expand our efforts. We need money so we can hand out more dvds, more fliers and have money on reserve so we can hold more special events. Over the last 2 years Lone Lantern has accomplished alot. We have distributed over 50,000 dvds, thousands of fliers, held film screenings and lectures. Some of the lectures include Richard Gage, Kevin Barrett, and William Rodriguez. We have been making a huge impact in the Chicagoland area and need your help to continue. Follow this link so you can make your donation and help uncover the government's lies. http://lonelanterndonation.chipin.com/activist-supplies -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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By paying for the DVD you are making it possible for someone else to hand that same DVD to a person on the street. My dad an I are contributing 30 dollars a month each. There are a couple of others that average at least 20 dollars a month. Please donate and if you have the means continue to donate on a continual basis. We try to hand out at least 500 dvds a month. Which we have been doing, but we would also like to expand our efforts. We need money so we can hand out more dvds, more fliers and have money on reserve so we can hold more special events. Over the last 2 years Lone Lantern has accomplished alot. We have distributed over 50,000 dvds, thousands of fliers, held film screenings and lectures. Some of the lectures include Richard Gage, Kevin Barrett, and William Rodriguez. We have been making a huge impact in the Chicagoland area and need your help to continue. Follow this link so you can make your donation and help uncover the government's lies. http://clicks.aweber.com/y/ct/?l=Im6nR&m=1gXDOrNj544rN1&b=IXWcvA0rEYYd32YHgnMJKA Lone Lantern Society of America, 3149 Dundee Rd #176, Northbrook, Illinois 60062, USA To unsubscribe or change subscriber options visit: http://www.aweber.com/z/r/?LIyc7AxstCwMbMwc7EzMtEa0LAwMDGycDA== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hal at drxyzzy.org Thu Nov 6 19:59:05 2008 From: hal at drxyzzy.org (Hal Snyder) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 18:59:05 -0600 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Sunday talk in Palatine - Religion and the Dark Side Message-ID: <15841C5A-F2BF-4656-BF6D-4A625AA54F12@drxyzzy.org> Jim Kenney was the keynote speaker on Sept. 20 at A Better Day. He's a terrific speaker. - Hal http://icjpe.org/actions/details/?id=1721 http://better-day.info/religion-dark.html Religion and the Dark Side Sunday, November 9, 2008 1:30-3:30 p.m. Countryside Church Unitarian Universalist 1025 N. Smith Street, Palatine, IL (between NW Hwy (Rte 14) and Dundee Road (Rte 68)) Join us for the first of three lectures with speakers from Common Ground, an interfaith center for inquiry, study and dialogue based in Deerfield, IL. In the past few years, the religions of the world have come under unprecedented scrutiny. On one hand, we observe powerful and liberating ethical and spiritual teaching, practice, and social action grounded in religion. On the other hand, we see almost incomprehensible intolerance, violence, and corruption. In this special presentation, Jim Kenney will concentrate on some of the worst that religion has given to the world, and reflect on what that might mean for the future. Jim?s lecture will be based on themes explored in his April 2008 article in Interreligious Insight, of which he is an editor. To access the article, visit: www.interreligiousinsight.org. Click on ?Current Issue,? then click the article title to download. Jim Kenney is Executive Director of Common Ground (CG), Executive Director of the Interreligious Engagement Project, and Trustee of the International Inter-religious Peace Council. He was a founding Trustee of the Council for a Parliament of the World's Religions and was the Parliament's Global Director for many years. Visit http:// www.cg.org for more information. Sponsored by: Common Ground & the Adult Faith Development Council, CCUU $10 suggested donation - no one turned away www.ccuu.org 847.359.8440 ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This medical device killed him; what a stupid situation this is. Now the FDA said that this device was approved, and then the Supreme Court ruled that because the FDA said this device was approved, the family of Reigel (again who died) could not sue the device manufacturer. Do you follow this?" If you'd like to read the whole article, you can do so here... http://www.naturalnews.com/024727.html Is this what we want? Cheers, Robin From hal at drxyzzy.org Fri Nov 7 11:18:45 2008 From: hal at drxyzzy.org (Hal Snyder) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 10:18:45 -0600 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Do we really want universal health care? In-Reply-To: <01C940BB.0A913400.rmigalla@earthlink.net> References: <01C940BB.0A913400.rmigalla@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Thank you for the posting, but the connection to universal health care is not apparent. If we get single-payer, not-for-profit, universal health care, it is likely that malpractice and other awards will be smaller because costs to injured parties for ongoing care will be less. But legal redress should remain fully available, and may even be more effective in a climate where corporations have less power over the system. Here's a reference discussing malpractice and universal health care. You will see there is no mention of barring lawsuits. In fact, the author speaks out against caps on economic damages while speaking in favor of single-payer. Medical Malpractice, Health Care Quality And Health Care Reform http://tinyurl.com/6h4s57 Hal On Nov 7, 2008, at 9:27 AM, Robin Migalla wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > In the current system, this is just a sample of what I believe > universal > health care would mean for us... > > To whet your appetite... > > "Today, I'm bringing you some rather disturbing news about the Supreme > Court's decision that essentially turned over the future of your > health to > corporations. Here's what happened. It's a case called Reigel vs. > Medtronic. > > Now Medtronic is a manufacturer of medical devices. They make the > angioplasty balloons among other things, and in this case Reigel died > following a surgical procedure in which one of these angioplasty > balloons > exploded when it was in his artery. > > This medical device killed him; what a stupid situation this is. > Now the > FDA said that this device was approved, and then the Supreme Court > ruled > that because the FDA said this device was approved, the family of > Reigel > (again who died) could not sue the device manufacturer. Do you follow > this?" > > If you'd like to read the whole article, you can do so here... > > http://www.naturalnews.com/024727.html > > Is this what we want? > > Cheers, > Robin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danf at sterlingspring.com Fri Nov 7 11:19:04 2008 From: danf at sterlingspring.com (I.D. Fresas) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 10:19:04 -0600 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Do we really want universal health care? References: <01C940BB.0A913400.rmigalla@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <003601c940f4$8e104a80$2bfea8c0@INSPECTIONDAN> This is a straw man approach to make Universal Health Care unappealing by linking one to the other and of course we do not want product on the market that is potentially life threatening. It is the FDA that needs to be reformed! We need to get the Drug companies and medical device manufacturers out of the FDA. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Migalla" To: Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:27 AM Subject: [CitizensTruth] Do we really want universal health care? > Hello Everyone, > > In the current system, this is just a sample of what I believe universal > health care would mean for us... > > To whet your appetite... > > "Today, I'm bringing you some rather disturbing news about the Supreme > Court's decision that essentially turned over the future of your health to > corporations. Here's what happened. It's a case called Reigel vs. > Medtronic. > > Now Medtronic is a manufacturer of medical devices. They make the > angioplasty balloons among other things, and in this case Reigel died > following a surgical procedure in which one of these angioplasty balloons > exploded when it was in his artery. > > This medical device killed him; what a stupid situation this is. Now the > FDA said that this device was approved, and then the Supreme Court ruled > that because the FDA said this device was approved, the family of Reigel > (again who died) could not sue the device manufacturer. Do you follow > this?" > > If you'd like to read the whole article, you can do so here... > > http://www.naturalnews.com/024727.html > > Is this what we want? > > Cheers, > Robin > _______________________________________________ > CitizensTruth mailing list > CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > website: http://citizenstruth.info From rmigalla at earthlink.net Fri Nov 7 11:27:08 2008 From: rmigalla at earthlink.net (Robin Migalla) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 10:27:08 -0600 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Do we really want universal health care? Message-ID: <01C940C3.644629D0.rmigalla@earthlink.net> I guess my fear is that in the current system, universal health care would be a victim of the FDA or some other government body of regulations. That's why I'd like to see some serious reforms (or eliminations) before we give this corrupt government more control in the way of universal health care. -----Original Message----- From: I.D. Fresas [SMTP:danf at sterlingspring.com] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 10:19 To: Robin Migalla; citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] Do we really want universal health care? This is a straw man approach to make Universal Health Care unappealing by linking one to the other and of course we do not want product on the market that is potentially life threatening. It is the FDA that needs to be reformed! We need to get the Drug companies and medical device manufacturers out of the FDA. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Migalla" To: Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:27 AM Subject: [CitizensTruth] Do we really want universal health care? > Hello Everyone, > > In the current system, this is just a sample of what I believe universal > health care would mean for us... > > To whet your appetite... > > "Today, I'm bringing you some rather disturbing news about the Supreme > Court's decision that essentially turned over the future of your health to > corporations. Here's what happened. It's a case called Reigel vs. > Medtronic. > > Now Medtronic is a manufacturer of medical devices. They make the > angioplasty balloons among other things, and in this case Reigel died > following a surgical procedure in which one of these angioplasty balloons > exploded when it was in his artery. > > This medical device killed him; what a stupid situation this is. Now the > FDA said that this device was approved, and then the Supreme Court ruled > that because the FDA said this device was approved, the family of Reigel > (again who died) could not sue the device manufacturer. Do you follow > this?" > > If you'd like to read the whole article, you can do so here... > > http://www.naturalnews.com/024727.html > > Is this what we want? > > Cheers, > Robin > _______________________________________________ > CitizensTruth mailing list > CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > website: http://citizenstruth.info From futurenotwritten at yahoo.com Fri Nov 7 15:40:45 2008 From: futurenotwritten at yahoo.com (Jay Becker) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 12:40:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [CitizensTruth] Do we really want universal health care? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <780640.36088.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I thought this event/book might interested you all since it's somewhat related to this thread. Jay The Chicago Lawyer Chapter of the American Constitution Society and Barnes and Noble DePaul Center present: If America is a Lawsuit Nation, Who is to Blame? Featuring: Tom Geoghegan Author of See You in Court: How The Right Made America a Lawsuit Nation, Prominent Chicago Labor Lawyer, Author of Other Books Including Which Side Are You On?,?? ?Finalist for the National Book Critics Circle Award? Monday, November 17, 2008 12:00 pm - 1:30 pm Barnes & Noble DePaul Center, Lower Level 1 E. Jackson Boulevard Chicago, Illinois There is no cost to attend this event.? Lunch will be provided. Mr. Geoghegan's book, See You in Court: How the Right Made America?a Lawsuit Nation, will be available for sale and signing.??? Reservations are requested. RSVP here.? ? See You in Court has been described as "an impassioned rebuttal to books such as Philip K. Howard's The Death of Common Sense"?and "[a] powerful new argument that right-wing legal policy gives Americans no recourse but to sue one another."??Is Mr. Geoghegan correct, or?is the left to blame for the?number of lawsuits today?? And has there really been an explosion in the number of lawsuits?? If so, is that necessarily a bad thing?? Join us for a program?addressing these important issues.???? --- On Fri, 11/7/08, Hal Snyder wrote: From: Hal Snyder Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] Do we really want universal health care? To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net Date: Friday, November 7, 2008, 10:18 AM Thank you for the posting, but the connection to universal health care is not apparent. If we get single-payer, not-for-profit, universal health care, it is likely that malpractice and other awards will be smaller because costs to injured parties for ongoing care will be less. But legal redress should remain fully available, and may even be more effective in a climate where corporations have less power over the system. Here's a reference discussing malpractice and universal health care. You will see there is no mention of barring lawsuits. In fact, the author speaks out against caps on economic damages while speaking in favor of single-payer. Medical Malpractice, Health Care Quality?And Health Care Reformhttp://tinyurl.com/6h4s57 Hal On Nov 7, 2008, at 9:27 AM, Robin Migalla wrote: Hello Everyone, In the current system, this is just a sample of what I believe universal?health care would mean for us... To whet your appetite... "Today, I'm bringing you some rather disturbing news about the Supreme?Court's decision that essentially turned over the future of your health to?corporations. Here's what happened. It's a case called Reigel vs.?Medtronic. Now Medtronic is a manufacturer of medical devices. They make the?angioplasty balloons among other things, and in this case Reigel died?following a surgical procedure in which one of these angioplasty balloons?exploded when it was in his artery. This medical device killed him; what a stupid situation this is. Now the?FDA said that this device was approved, and then the Supreme Court ruled?that because the FDA said this device was approved, the family of Reigel?(again who died) could not sue the device manufacturer. Do you follow?this?" If you'd like to read the whole article, you can do so here... http://www.naturalnews.com/024727.html Is this what we want? Cheers,Robin_______________________________________________ CitizensTruth mailing list CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth website: http://citizenstruth.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There are, of course, occasional moments of truth, but the overall tone of the piece is a lie painting all the Bushheads as unaware unprepared stooges instead of the methodical evil jerks they are. After watching I did a little research and found out that the director is a former member of the Brookings institute, former consultant to a bunch of huge corporations, former consultant to the White House, the Dept. of Defense and a member of the Council on Foreign Relations _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows? connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mjkirk12 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 13 12:53:44 2008 From: mjkirk12 at yahoo.com (Mike Kirk) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:53:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [CitizensTruth] Most Progressives won't criticize the Fed Message-ID: <750542.88792.qm@web83804.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Interesting articles. "Progressives should audit the Fed" http://www.lewrockwell.com/schembrie/schembrie10.html "Consumers don't cause recessions" http://mises.org/story/3194 "History is clear on Fiat money" http://www.lewrockwell.com/french/french95.html From hal at drxyzzy.org Sat Nov 22 02:16:30 2008 From: hal at drxyzzy.org (Hal Snyder) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 01:16:30 -0600 Subject: [CitizensTruth] list is back up Message-ID: <8828CBD6-9898-4A67-9C25-A96163890679@drxyzzy.org> Sorry for the outage, folks. The list is back up. I don't believe any messages were lost but I don't want to overwhelm people by sending all of them out at once. Hal From Walterb306 at cs.com Sat Nov 22 15:02:47 2008 From: Walterb306 at cs.com (Walterb306 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 15:02:47 EST Subject: [CitizensTruth] A terrible documentary Message-ID: All, Sneaky. Along the same lines, "W," Oliver Stone superficial, fake bio-pic, portrays W as foolish, but basically well-intentioned. I'm glad I saw it, so know I know, but it was disappointing disinformation. Sure. Beverley -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Walterb306 at cs.com Sat Nov 22 16:05:36 2008 From: Walterb306 at cs.com (Walterb306 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:05:36 EST Subject: [CitizensTruth] list is back up Message-ID: Thanks, Hal. Beverley -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From edward_rynearson at yahoo.com Sun Nov 23 20:47:14 2008 From: edward_rynearson at yahoo.com (Edward Rynearson) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:47:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [CitizensTruth] Kenyan Amabassador seemingly confirms Obama born in Kenya Message-ID: <696005.48468.qm@web30005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Friday, November 21, 2008 Detroit Radio Jocks from WRIF's Mike in the Morning call Kenyan Ambassador Peter Ogego to congratulate him on Kenyan becoming the "51st state" and during their conversation the ambassador seemingly confirms that President Elect Obama's birth place is in Kenya and is already an "attraction". http://www.radiodujour.com/people/berg_philip/ From hal at drxyzzy.org Mon Nov 24 01:36:53 2008 From: hal at drxyzzy.org (Hal Snyder) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:36:53 -0600 Subject: [CitizensTruth] radiodujour In-Reply-To: <696005.48468.qm@web30005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <696005.48468.qm@web30005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <970982C8-3402-4302-98F4-0C8F75431732@drxyzzy.org> Edward, and others - I wonder if radiodujour.com announcements are a separate channel and would be better on a list of their own. That way people on this list can opt in or out for them. We don't routinely forward program announcements for Alex Jones, Meria Heller, Kevin Barrett, TUC Radio, Unwelcome Guests, Against the Grain, Flashpoints, etc. What do people think? Reply off-list if you prefer. Thank you. From aqmstaffo at mailbag.com Mon Nov 24 05:38:05 2008 From: aqmstaffo at mailbag.com (Daniel Stafford) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 04:38:05 -0600 Subject: [CitizensTruth] radiodujour In-Reply-To: <970982C8-3402-4302-98F4-0C8F75431732@drxyzzy.org> References: <696005.48468.qm@web30005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <970982C8-3402-4302-98F4-0C8F75431732@drxyzzy.org> Message-ID: <492A840D.3080500@mailbag.com> Fine either way, but put me on the list for updates if they are separated. Thanks, Dan PS: Sorry, Hal, meant the 1st one to be on-list. Hal Snyder wrote: > Edward, and others - > > I wonder if radiodujour.com announcements are a separate channel and > would be better on a list of their own. That way people on this list > can opt in or out for them. > > We don't routinely forward program announcements for Alex Jones, Meria > Heller, Kevin Barrett, TUC Radio, Unwelcome Guests, Against the Grain, > Flashpoints, etc. > > What do people think? Reply off-list if you prefer. Thank you. > > _______________________________________________ > CitizensTruth mailing list > CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > website: http://citizenstruth.info > From edward_rynearson at yahoo.com Mon Nov 24 22:11:44 2008 From: edward_rynearson at yahoo.com (Edward Rynearson) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:11:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [CitizensTruth] CitizensTruth Digest, Vol 40, Issue 14 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <342617.7388.qm@web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Alex Jones is batting a 1000 this season. --- On Mon, 11/24/08, citizenstruth-request at six.pairlist.net wrote: > From: citizenstruth-request at six.pairlist.net > Subject: CitizensTruth Digest, Vol 40, Issue 14 > To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net > Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 11:00 AM > Send CitizensTruth mailing list submissions to > citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > citizenstruth-request at six.pairlist.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > citizenstruth-owner at six.pairlist.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more > specific > than "Re: Contents of CitizensTruth digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Kenyan Amabassador seemingly confirms Obama born > in Kenya > (Edward Rynearson) > 2. radiodujour (Hal Snyder) > 3. Re: radiodujour (Daniel Stafford) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:47:14 -0800 (PST) > From: Edward Rynearson > Subject: [CitizensTruth] Kenyan Amabassador seemingly > confirms Obama > born in Kenya > To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net > Message-ID: > <696005.48468.qm at web30005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Friday, November 21, 2008 > > Detroit Radio Jocks from WRIF's Mike in the Morning > call Kenyan Ambassador Peter Ogego to congratulate him on > Kenyan becoming the "51st state" and during their > conversation the ambassador seemingly confirms that > President Elect Obama's birth place is in Kenya and is > already an "attraction". > > http://www.radiodujour.com/people/berg_philip/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:36:53 -0600 > From: Hal Snyder > Subject: [CitizensTruth] radiodujour > To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net > Message-ID: > <970982C8-3402-4302-98F4-0C8F75431732 at drxyzzy.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; > format=flowed > > Edward, and others - > > I wonder if radiodujour.com announcements are a separate > channel and > would be better on a list of their own. That way people on > this list > can opt in or out for them. > > We don't routinely forward program announcements for > Alex Jones, > Meria Heller, Kevin Barrett, TUC Radio, Unwelcome Guests, > Against the > Grain, Flashpoints, etc. > > What do people think? Reply off-list if you prefer. Thank > you. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 04:38:05 -0600 > From: Daniel Stafford > Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] radiodujour > To: Citizen's Truth > > Message-ID: <492A840D.3080500 at mailbag.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Fine either way, but put me on the list for updates if they > are separated. > > Thanks, > > Dan > > PS: Sorry, Hal, meant the 1st one to be on-list. > > Hal Snyder wrote: > > Edward, and others - > > > > I wonder if radiodujour.com announcements are a > separate channel and > > would be better on a list of their own. That way > people on this list > > can opt in or out for them. > > > > We don't routinely forward program announcements > for Alex Jones, Meria > > Heller, Kevin Barrett, TUC Radio, Unwelcome Guests, > Against the Grain, > > Flashpoints, etc. > > > > What do people think? Reply off-list if you prefer. > Thank you. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > CitizensTruth mailing list > > CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > > website: http://citizenstruth.info > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > CitizensTruth mailing list > CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > > > End of CitizensTruth Digest, Vol 40, Issue 14 > ********************************************* From aqmstaffo at mailbag.com Tue Nov 25 12:09:56 2008 From: aqmstaffo at mailbag.com (Daniel Stafford) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:09:56 -0600 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Bush Labor Department misled Congress in effort to privatize jobs Message-ID: <492C3164.40503@mailbag.com> *Bush Labor Department misled Congress in effort to privatize jobs** John Byrne *Published: Tuesday November 25, 2008 http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Bush_Labor_Department_misled_Congress_in_1125.html President George W. Bush's Labor Department misled Congress in an effort to prove outsourcing jobs to private companies was more efficient than assigning the jobs to government employees, according to a Government Accountability Office report released Monday. The report (pdf here ) found that the Department used fictional projected numbers to improve "savings reports" -- even when real numbers were already available. And when the government did find private firms to take a government job, that employee generally was either reassigned to another task with the same title or promoted. The effort was called "competitive sourcing," aimed to increase government efficiency by having federal and private organizations compete for providing services. While part of a federal government approach since 1955, the Bush Administration has made the approach a key element of the President's Management Agenda under the Office of Management and Budget. An investigation revealed, however, that the Labor Department -- under direction from Bush budget officials -- deliberately withheld information about true costs. According to the report, the Department of Labor "excluded a number of substantial costs in its reports to Congress -- such as the costs for precompetition planning, certain transition costs and staff time and post competition review activities -- thereby understanding the full costs of this contracting approach." The report noted that this approach was consistent with "guidance" given by the Administration's Office of Management and Budget. In addition, the report found the Department's "savings reports" were "not reliable: a sample of three reports contained inaccuracies, and others used projections when actual numbers were available, which sometimes resulted in overstated savings." Most workers were also demoralized as the government tried to find private firms to take over their jobs, the probe found. Bush Labor Secretary Elaine Chao began having workers compete for their jobs in 2004. Few employees have lost their jobs. But when the government found a private company to take over their position, 84 percent were reassigned to different positions with the same title or were promoted. Since implementation, 22 employees were laid off or demoted, all of them African American. The senator who commissioned the report, Iowa's Tom Harkin, along with the House committee that oversees the Labor Department, David Obey, said in a letter Monday that the report proved "the negative impact the Bush Administration's failed policies have had" on the Department. "Under the direction of this White House, the Department of Labor has increasingly attempted to move work performed by Federal employees to private contractors" and, in so doing, hurt workers' morale and "grossly overstated savings," they wrote . "We look forward to working with the Obama Administration to strengthen the Department of Labor as it undertakes the critical missions of making sure our workplaces are safe; protecting employee pensions, health benefits and rights; and providing workers with the skills they need to compete successfully in the 21st century economy." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aroyboy44 at hotmail.com Tue Nov 25 13:54:56 2008 From: aroyboy44 at hotmail.com (andrew ritter) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:54:56 +0000 Subject: [CitizensTruth] radiodujour In-Reply-To: <970982C8-3402-4302-98F4-0C8F75431732@drxyzzy.org> References: <696005.48468.qm@web30005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <970982C8-3402-4302-98F4-0C8F75431732@drxyzzy.org> Message-ID: I don't mind if its on list as I can choose to read or not based on the subject title, On a personal note I am finding this Obama citizenship story to be somewhat irrelevant to the bigger picture. I happen to believe he was probably born in the US and that the story is just to get more right-wingers to hate Obama and not trust him, 9-11 brought me to a place where nothing surprises me much anymore so if he was born in Kenya I am not shocked and I am not angry and if he gets found out and kicked out we are still under pro-war neoliberal/Biden/Clinton power for the next 4 years, I know its a rule that they need to be born in the US and I get why the rule exists but it seems to me that where these guys were born makes no difference since they are all ruining our country/globe regardless of if they were born here or not so the story just seems like a distraction from what kind of policies and people he is putting into place. that's my 2 cents peace > From: hal at drxyzzy.org > Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:36:53 -0600 > To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net > Subject: [CitizensTruth] radiodujour > > Edward, and others - > > I wonder if radiodujour.com announcements are a separate channel and > would be better on a list of their own. That way people on this list > can opt in or out for them. > > We don't routinely forward program announcements for Alex Jones, > Meria Heller, Kevin Barrett, TUC Radio, Unwelcome Guests, Against the > Grain, Flashpoints, etc. > > What do people think? Reply off-list if you prefer. Thank you. > > _______________________________________________ > CitizensTruth mailing list > CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > website: http://citizenstruth.info _________________________________________________________________ Proud to be a PC? Show the world. Download the ?I?m a PC? Messenger themepack now. hthttp://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119642558/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hal at drxyzzy.org Wed Nov 26 11:10:26 2008 From: hal at drxyzzy.org (Hal Snyder) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:10:26 -0600 Subject: [CitizensTruth] betrayal of trust Message-ID: 1. It's not just melamine in food exports. U.S. Government Finds Thousands Of Counterfeit Electronics From China [and other countries] In Avionics Weapon Supply Chain http://www.manufacturingnews.com/news/08/1117/ counterfeitelectronics.html The United States military and the federal government's national security agencies are facing an unprecedented infiltration of counterfeit electronic chips, chipsets and components. 2. On the other hand, U.S. banks exported trillions (the total seems still unknown) in what amount to bogus securities. A tsunami of hope or terror? http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/A-tsunami-of-hope- or-terror-LHRJP?OpenDocument&alerts&loc=center .... a team working within JP Morgan Chase invented credit default swaps, which are contractual bets between two parties about whether a third party will default on its debt. In 2000 these were made legal, and at the same time were prevented from being regulated, by the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, which specifies that products offered by banking institutions could not be regulated as futures contracts. This bill, by the way, was 11,000 pages long, was never debated by Congress and was signed into law by President Clinton a week after it was passed. It lies at the root of America?s failure to regulate the debt derivatives that are now threatening the global economy... If the list of defaults ? full and partial ? gets to nine, then a mass transfer of money will take place from unsuspecting investors around the world into the banking system. How much? Nobody knows, but it?s many trillions... The distress among those who lose their money will be immense. It will be a real loss, not a theoretical paper loss. Cash will be transferred from their own bank accounts into the issuing bank, via these Cayman Islands special purpose vehicles. Note: We should be careful about generalizing, especially about entire nations. It was George W. Bush, after all, who said, "I don't do nuance." That's why I added the clarification in brackets to the title of the first article. Also, the bill referred to in the second item was the 2000 omnibus budget bill, covering much more than futures trading. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From edward_rynearson at yahoo.com Wed Nov 26 19:12:49 2008 From: edward_rynearson at yahoo.com (Edward Rynearson) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:12:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [CitizensTruth] Christian Science Monitor: A last electoral hurdle for Obama Message-ID: <921358.44048.qm@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A last electoral hurdle for Obama A Web-driven challenge to his legitimacy targets members of the Electoral College. By Patrik Jonsson | Staff Writer / November 26, 2008 edition Barack Obama has one election still to win before he moves into the White House, and by all accounts he?s a shoo-in. The Electoral College ? that curious body created by the Founders to put one extra check on the popular vote ? meets Dec. 15 to elect the president. But across the US, a small band of Americans convinced that Mr. Obama is not a natural-born citizen, as the Constitution requires of presidents, are lobbying Democratic electors to take one last look at the notion that Obama was born in Kenya, not Hawaii. Link to article and additional media: http://www.radiodujour.com/people/berg_philip/index.shtml From mincam2 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 29 19:54:09 2008 From: mincam2 at yahoo.com (Chuck Minne) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 16:54:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [CitizensTruth] Investigation Message-ID: <164099.21309.qm@web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Congress asks bankers where all the bailout money went. ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aqmstaffo at mailbag.com Sun Nov 30 03:07:55 2008 From: aqmstaffo at mailbag.com (Daniel Stafford) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 02:07:55 -0600 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Scientists: Device could power world Message-ID: <493249DB.3080709@mailbag.com> **Scientists: Device could power world* * 'Revolutionary' invention uses calm waterways to create electricity. Wow. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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What DOES come as a surprise is the recurring rumor that President-elect Barack Obama may decide to put new wine in old wineskins by letting Gates stay. Read more... Declare It Now! Wear Orange! Impeach Bush & Cheney for War Crimes & Crimes against Humanity! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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