From edward_rynearson at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  1 18:01:36 2008
From: edward_rynearson at yahoo.com (Edward Rynearson)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:01:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Alex Jones talks with Jesse Ventura
In-Reply-To: <mailman.15.1222876814.77516.citizenstruth@six.pairlist.net>
Message-ID: <503948.11165.qm@web30005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Wednesday, October 1, 2008
Alex Jones talks with Jesse Ventura about the bailout, the economy, the police state, 9/11 Truth and Jesse's TV pilot project.
http://www.radiodujour.com/people/ventura_jesse/
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From aqmstaffo at mailbag.com  Wed Oct  1 21:41:53 2008
From: aqmstaffo at mailbag.com (Daniel Stafford)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 20:41:53 -0500
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Dennis Kucinich on the Rachael Maddow Show proposes
 a STET and other support for the real economy
Message-ID: <48E426E1.2040203@mailbag.com>

Dennis Kucinich on the Rachael Maddow Show proposes a STET and other
support for the real economy:

http://miaculpa.blogspot.com/2008/09/rachel-maddow-show_30.html

(And Stephanie Miller was calling Sarah Palin "Caribou Barbie" this
morning.)


From rmigalla at earthlink.net  Thu Oct  2 05:19:31 2008
From: rmigalla at earthlink.net (Robin Migalla)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 04:19:31 -0500
Subject: [CitizensTruth] What is Holism?
Message-ID: <01C92446.1295FD20.rmigalla@earthlink.net>

Hi Folks,

Please join us at our monthly Weston A. Price meeting on Saturday, October 
11th from 9:30 to 1.  I'll be presenting a talk on Holism.  Here's a link 
with details...

http://westonaprice-elgin.org/Updates/updatesindex.html

Cheers,
Robin



From garyfranchi at gmail.com  Thu Oct  2 12:31:03 2008
From: garyfranchi at gmail.com (Gary Franchi)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:31:03 -0500
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Group forming for Action on Nov 22
Message-ID: <2c9e41bb0810020931o6651ba39kcba4d9360d11790b@mail.gmail.com>

Hey folks,

If you want to take part in the End the FED street action on Nov 22 please
join the organizing committee for "End the FED Chicago":
http://restoretherepublic.net/group.php?group_id=92

Hope everyone can take part!

-Gary

PS. Call Congress today and demand a NO vote on the new Bailout bill to be
voted on tomorrow.
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From geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com  Fri Oct  3 13:13:17 2008
From: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com (Geri Perry)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:13:17 -0500
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Is this the US Congress or the board of directors
	at Goldman Sachs?
Message-ID: <48E652AD.1090407@thetwofacesofmoney.com>

Formulating a bi-partisan solution is a must: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Feyu2Db2QuU

Goldman Sachs bribed the senate to pass the bailout bill, the numbers 
speak for themselves:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek7zc0lJxbM

Goldman Sachs the biggest beneficiary of Paulson's bailout: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEumrdHOq0w



From mjkirk12 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  3 13:40:31 2008
From: mjkirk12 at yahoo.com (Mike Kirk)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:40:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Is this the US Congress or the board of
	directors at Goldman Sachs?
In-Reply-To: <48E652AD.1090407@thetwofacesofmoney.com>
Message-ID: <218469.4153.qm@web83807.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

We are finally seeing who really runs the country - the Money Masters....

-Mike

--- On Fri, 10/3/08, Geri Perry <geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com> wrote:
From: Geri Perry <geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com>
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Is this the US Congress or the board of directors at Goldman Sachs?
To: "Citizens Truth" <citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net>
Date: Friday, October 3, 2008, 12:13 PM

Formulating a bi-partisan solution is a must: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Feyu2Db2QuU

Goldman Sachs bribed the senate to pass the bailout bill, the numbers 
speak for themselves:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek7zc0lJxbM

Goldman Sachs the biggest beneficiary of Paulson's bailout: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEumrdHOq0w


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From geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com  Fri Oct  3 14:14:23 2008
From: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com (Geri Perry)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:14:23 -0500
Subject: [CitizensTruth] The 2-step solution no one talks about - please
	forward
Message-ID: <48E660FF.4030107@thetwofacesofmoney.com>

Instead of the bailout bill we need to promote the following 2 step plan 
(from the makers of the Money Masters documentary) as an immediate and 
critical step toward national economic recovery and reform:

#1. demand that Congress direct the Treasury department to issue U.S. 
notes (exactly like the original 120 million Lincoln Greenbacks, before 
the Exception clause tied the Greenback to the banking elite) to pay off 
the national debt

#2. Increase the reserve ratio private banks are required to maintain 
from 10% to 100%, thereby terminating their ability to create money (as 
debt), while simultaneously absorbing the funds created to retire the 
national debt.

These two relatively simple steps, which Congress has the power to 
enact, would extinguish the national debt, without inflation or 
deflation, and end the unjust practice of private banks creating money 
as loans (i.e., fractional reserve banking). Paying off the national 
debt would wipe out the $400+ billion annual interest payments and 
thereby balance the budget. This Act would stabilize the economy and end 
the boom-bust economic cycles cause by fractional reserve banking.

Several proposals, including the Monetary Reform Act proposed by the 
above email from the makers of The Money Masters can be found at this 
page:** 
******http://www.thetwofacesofmoney.com/index.php/Site/MonetaryReformProposals

Note that Dennis Kucinich is affiliated with the American Monetary 
Institute, which also promotes the creation of Constitutional debt 
"free" money: http://www.monetary.org/ Ron Paul on the other hand 
erroneously promotes a gold backed dollar. For more on why this is not a 
good deal for the people, see this page: 
http://www.thetwofacesofmoney.com/index.php/Site/QuotesOnGold and this, 
including the link: 
http://www.thetwofacesofmoney.com/index.php/Site/WhatIsMoney



From garyfranchi at gmail.com  Fri Oct  3 14:56:50 2008
From: garyfranchi at gmail.com (Gary Franchi)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:56:50 -0500
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Ron Paul's Remarks on the 2nd Bailout Vote 10-3-2008
Message-ID: <2c9e41bb0810031156l73faf2a1ma4150988cdd8f994@mail.gmail.com>

*Ron Paul's Remarks on the 2nd Bailout Vote 10-3-2008:*
http://restoretherepublic.net/Gary/blog/697/

*Goldman Sachs Bribed Senate To Pass Bailout Bill:*
http://www.restoretherepublic.com/take-action/goldman-sachs-bribed-senate-to-pass-bailout-bill

*Illinois Constitutional Convention Debate 9-20-08:*
http://blip.tv/file/1319149/
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From rmigalla at earthlink.net  Fri Oct  3 15:34:37 2008
From: rmigalla at earthlink.net (Robin Migalla)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:34:37 -0500
Subject: [CitizensTruth] FW: Official Announcement!
Message-ID: <01C92565.2A02F010.rmigalla@earthlink.net>



 
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From geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com  Sat Oct  4 14:03:28 2008
From: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com (Geri Perry)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 13:03:28 -0500
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Gallup insider says polls and media lie,
	what a shock!!
Message-ID: <48E7AFF0.1060004@thetwofacesofmoney.com>

5 minute video, top of page: 
http://www.kickthemallout.com/article.php/Story-Polls_Are_Rigged

Truth is, we're wasting a lot of time and effort discussing the 
so-called presidential "race" because as Arundhati Roy says in this 7 
minute 2004 interview: "The names may change . .. but the system remains 
in place. Choosing between the two candidates is like choosing between 
Tide and Ivory Snow, they're both owned by the same company": 
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8335126850120900631&vt=lf&hl=en

Based on last week's performance maybe we need to focus like a laser 
beam on firing Congress instead.

Print out your own "pink slips" available here:  http://firecongress.org/

Gerip

From geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com  Sun Oct  5 16:20:58 2008
From: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com (Geri Perry)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 15:20:58 -0500
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Lost Science, part 3 of 4
Message-ID: <48E921AA.7040809@thetwofacesofmoney.com>

Alchemy, molecular disassociation, red mercury  and aether vortices:

First, view carefully this multi-award winning documentary I found about 
5 years ago at:
http://www.wanttoknow.info/060630newenergyvideodocumentary  - viewable
here: *http://tinyurl.com/6jponw*

SHORT NOTES to above documentary:

**Begins with a history of "the aether" - recounting
of Tesla as well as the ideas of Faraday, Maxwell and
others (see "Lost Science" articles below these notes).

**48 minute mark: "The conventional laws of physics are violated
by Non-conventional scientific researchers (about which see below). .
.Also draws a similarity between alchemy and cold fusion. Cold fusion
results in the transmutation of metals, meaning molecular
changes/disassociation occur.

**1.20 minute mark. Dennis Lee put in prison - with judge declaring that
"it sounds like you've got a helluva case for appeal" (given the
charges.)

**1.22 mark discusses the Hutchinson effect uncovered by
Hutchinson who began drawing high level attention in 1979. END NOTES.

NOW for some "LOST" Science:

Alchemical implications of aether vortices, red mercury and more:
http://www.shout.net/~bigred/Alchemical.html

Michael Faraday, the "evolution" of science - and "the aether":
http://www.shout.net/~bigred/Faraday.html

Newton and the "bosom" of the ether: 
http://www.shout.net/~bigred/BosEther.html

And Einstein reintroducing the ether - with the appropriate conclusion being
"We ought to be asking questions": http://www.shout.net/~bigred/Insipid.html


From hal at drxyzzy.org  Mon Oct  6 09:11:43 2008
From: hal at drxyzzy.org (Hal Snyder)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 08:11:43 -0500
Subject: [CitizensTruth] 9/11 truth debate; sea change
Message-ID: <042553B0-D86F-44F6-9BDF-F7347C89EDDA@drxyzzy.org>

The Ultimate 9/11 'Truth' Showdown: David Ray Griffin vs. Matt Taibbi
http://www.alternet.org/rights/100688

Here's how I see it:
Logic vs. journalism. Critical thinking vs. bluster.

Taibbi is in over his head. Typical for these times, he doesn't let  
that stop him from taking a position and noisily defending it.

Interesting how sensitive this topic is. Often when you threaten  
someone's world view, they stop making sense.

It's about as satisfying as the pseudo-debates we see on TV for  
president and vice president. But that should not be surprising.  
There is a fundamental dialogue going on that surfaces in one area  
after another.

Jim Kenney, who was keynote speaker at A Better Day on 9/20 (better- 
day.info) talks about sea change:

TWO WAVES

Imagine an ocean moment?two waves converging in the same time and  
space. One is powerful but subsiding, the other just gathering  
momentum and presence but not yet cresting. At the moment of their  
meeting they are nearly equal in amplitude and influence. As they  
cross, who can say which is rising, which descends? In that moment  
there is only the chaos of wave interference, as the medium of  
interaction is utterly changed. Now take another moment and imagine  
modernity as a powerful wave of cultural values that crested half a  
century ago and is now slowly beginning to subside. A second wave of  
countervailing values rises equally slowly, building until its  
cresting amplitude begins to rival the declining energy of the older  
wave.

http://www.interreligiousinsight.org/July2004/July04Kenney.html

  - Hal
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From Walterb306 at cs.com  Mon Oct  6 10:18:36 2008
From: Walterb306 at cs.com (Walterb306 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 10:18:36 EDT
Subject: [CitizensTruth] ARTICLE -  Obama on McCain links
Message-ID: <c80.39f7f698.361b783c@cs.com>

All,

FYI.

Beverley

Link:  http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14302.html


Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) on Monday is launching a multimedia campaign to 
draw attention to the involvement of Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) in the ?Keating 
Five? savings-and-loan scandal of 1989-91, which blemished McCain?s public 
image and set him on his course as a self-styled reformer.

 Pushing back against what it calls McCain's ?guilt-by-association? tactics, 
the Obama campaign overnight began e-mailing millions of supporters a link to 
a website, KeatingEconomics.com , which will have a 13-minute documentary on 
the scandal beginning at noon Eastern time on Monday. The e-mails urge 
recipients to pass the link on to friends.

The Obama campaign, including its surrogates appearing on radio and 
television, will argue that the deregulatory fervor that caused massive, cascading 
savings-and-loan collapses in the late ?80s was pursued by McCain throughout his 
career, and helped cause the current credit crisis.

More:  see link above



   
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From Walterb306 at cs.com  Mon Oct  6 10:42:20 2008
From: Walterb306 at cs.com (Walterb306 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 10:42:20 EDT
Subject: [CitizensTruth] ARTICLE-Army combat unit to deploy domestically
Message-ID: <c77.35092420.361b7dcc@cs.com>

All,

FYI,

Beverley


Breaking News and Commentary from Citizens For Legitimate Government
 05 Oct 2008
 http://www.legitgov.org/
 All items are here:
 http://www.legitgov.org/#breaking_news
 
Army combat unit to deploy within U.S. --Use of active-duty military as a 
domestic police force has been severely limited since passage of the Posse 
Comitatus Act following the Civil War. 03 Oct 2008 The United States military's 
Northern Command is dedicating a combat infantry team to deal with catastrophes in 
the U.S., including terrorist attacks and "natural" disasters. The 1st 
Brigade Combat Team of the 3rd Infantry, which was first into Baghdad, Iraq, in 
2003, started its controversial assignment Wednesday. The First Raiders will spend 
2009 as the first active-duty military unit attached to the U.S. Northern 
Command since it was created. The unit has been training with equipment generally 
used in law enforcement, including beanbag bullets, Tasers, spike strips and 
roadblocks. That kind of training seems a bit out of line for the unit's 
designated role as Northern Command's CCMRF (Sea Smurf), or CBRNE Consequence 
Management Response Force. CBRNE stands for chemical, biological, radiological, 
nuclear and high-yield explosive incidents.


    
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From edward_rynearson at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  6 11:37:29 2008
From: edward_rynearson at yahoo.com (Edward Rynearson)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 08:37:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Naomi Klein event at UIC last Wednesday on
	DemocracyNow!
Message-ID: <230395.70840.qm@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Naomi Klein: Wall St. Crisis Should Be for Neoliberalism What Fall of Berlin Wall Was for Communism
   
  As the world reels from the financial crisis on Wall Street and the taxpayer-funded $700 billion bailout, we spend the hour with Naomi Klein on the economy, politics and ?disaster capitalism.? The Shock Doctrine author recently spoke at the University of Chicago to oppose the creation of an economic research center named after the University?s most famous economist, Milton Friedman. Klein says Friedman?s economic philosophy championed the kind of deregulation that led to the current crisis. 
   
  http://www.democracynow.org/2008/10/6/naomi_klein
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From geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com  Mon Oct  6 12:07:38 2008
From: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com (Geri Perry)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 11:07:38 -0500
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Naomi Wolf joins other conspiracy theorists that
	bailout was a coup
Message-ID: <48EA37CA.3000105@thetwofacesofmoney.com>


*Watch this video:*
/"Americans are facing a coup as of this morning. It's happened."/ *- 
Naomi Wolfe*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XgkeTanCGI

This is apparently the clip of Rep. Brad Sherman talking about martial 
law threat if bailout bill did not pass: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaG9d_4zij8

From mitchell at szcz.org  Mon Oct  6 12:27:16 2008
From: mitchell at szcz.org (Mitchell Szczepanczyk)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 11:27:16 -0500
Subject: [CitizensTruth] U _of_ C, not UIC
In-Reply-To: <230395.70840.qm@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <230395.70840.qm@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <48EA3C64.1000802@szcz.org>

FYI. The subject line of this email said:

Naomi Klein event at UIC last Wednesday on DemocracyNow!

The event (which I tried to attend) was at International House on the 
University _of_ Chicago campus (U of C, or simply UC), not at the 
University of Illinois at Chicago (UIC).

Edward Rynearson wrote:
> *Naomi Klein: Wall St. Crisis Should Be for Neoliberalism What Fall of 
> Berlin Wall Was for Communism*
> **
> As the world reels from the financial crisis on Wall Street and the 
> taxpayer-funded $700 billion bailout, we spend the hour with Naomi 
> Klein on the economy, politics and ?disaster capitalism.? The Shock 
> Doctrine author recently spoke at the University of Chicago to oppose 
> the creation of an economic research center named after the 
> University?s most famous economist, Milton Friedman. Klein says 
> Friedman?s economic philosophy championed the kind of deregulation 
> that led to the current crisis.
> http://www.democracynow.org/2008/10/6/naomi_klein


From Walterb306 at cs.com  Tue Oct  7 12:55:09 2008
From: Walterb306 at cs.com (Walterb306 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 12:55:09 EDT
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Video - Same speech in Australia and Canada
Message-ID: <cca.3d37e331.361cee6d@cs.com>

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From edward_rynearson at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  7 14:01:27 2008
From: edward_rynearson at yahoo.com (Edward Rynearson)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 11:01:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] 2. U _of_ C, not UIC (Mitchell Szczepanczyk)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.9.1223395219.79456.citizenstruth@six.pairlist.net>
Message-ID: <765486.79370.qm@web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Naomi Klein spoke at UC not UIC . . . my bad.
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From mjkirk12 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  7 16:42:31 2008
From: mjkirk12 at yahoo.com (Mike Kirk)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 13:42:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Video - Same speech in Australia and Canada
In-Reply-To: <cca.3d37e331.361cee6d@cs.com>
Message-ID: <25097.59676.qm@web83823.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Well, they are both former British Colonies - so perhaps the speech originated on #10 Downing street or from the Whitehall offices.

Who are the real rulers?

-Mike

--- On Tue, 10/7/08, Walterb306 at cs.com <Walterb306 at cs.com> wrote:
From: Walterb306 at cs.com <Walterb306 at cs.com>
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Video - Same speech in Australia and Canada
To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net
Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 11:55 AM

All,



FYI.



Forwarding info below.



Beverley



If you live in Australia or Canada, it might

not be that clear. 



Here is video showing the supreme leader of

Australia and a few says later his counterpart

in Canada giving the SAME EXACT SPEECH in support 

of the US invasion of Iraq?



To coin a phrase, I'm speechless.



These aren't two low level functionaries

at work (or are they?) Theoretically, they're

heads of sovereign states...theoretically. 



Questions: 



* Who wrote this speech? 



* How, mechanically, did it get into the hands

of these two...let's just call them gentleman?



* Who compelled them to read it?



If all heads of stateare going to read the

same speech, we don't need a New World Order,

do we?



Or maybe is has arrived a bit early in Australia

and Canada.



See and hear for yourself:



http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/439.html



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From hal at drxyzzy.org  Tue Oct  7 16:56:56 2008
From: hal at drxyzzy.org (Hal Snyder)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 15:56:56 -0500
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Video - Same speech in Australia and Canada
In-Reply-To: <25097.59676.qm@web83823.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <25097.59676.qm@web83823.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <090C4124-C897-422E-98C9-1FA2728A26DB@drxyzzy.org>

There is apparently a simple explanation.

Harper staffer quits over plagiarized 2003 speech on Iraq
<http://ca.news.yahoo.com/indepth/fed_election/s/cbc/080930/canada/ 
news_rae_harper_12>

...
Lippert, a former policy analyst for economic think tank the Fraser  
Institute, has announced his resignation from his current position  
working in the Conservative campaign headquarters.


Not surprising to see a Fraser Institute alum mixed up in this. Like  
right-wing think tanks in the US, Fraser are into global warming  
denial and attacking universal health care and public education.


<http://buckdogpolitics.blogspot.com/2007/02/fraser-institute-canadas- 
disgrace.html>


ExxonMobil donates to the Fraser Institute for "climate change" work.

Professor Ross McKitrick, author of the popular book that denies  
climate change "Taken By Storm" and known for his opposition to the  
Endangered Species Act in Canada, is also a senior fellow at the  
Fraser Institute.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Fraser_Institute

On Oct 7, 2008, at 3:42 PM, Mike Kirk wrote:

> Well, they are both former British Colonies - so perhaps the speech  
> originated on #10 Downing street or from the Whitehall offices.
>
> Who are the real rulers?
>
> -Mike
>
> --- On Tue, 10/7/08, Walterb306 at cs.com <Walterb306 at cs.com> wrote:
> From: Walterb306 at cs.com <Walterb306 at cs.com>
> Subject: [CitizensTruth] Video - Same speech in Australia and Canada
> To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net
> Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 11:55 AM
>
> All,
>
> FYI.
>
> Forwarding info below.
>
> Beverley
>
> If you live in Australia or Canada, it might
> not be that clear.
>
> Here is video showing the supreme leader of
> Australia and a few says later his counterpart
> in Canada giving the SAME EXACT SPEECH in support
> of the US invasion of Iraq?
>
> To coin a phrase, I'm speechless.
>
> These aren't two low level functionaries
> at work (or are they?) Theoretically, they're
> heads of sovereign states...theoretically.
>
> Questions:
>
> * Who wrote this speech?
>
> * How, mechanically, did it get into the hands
> of these two...let's just call them gentleman?
>
> * Who compelled them to read it?
>
> If all heads of stateare going to read the
> same speech, we don't need a New World Order,
> do we?
>
> Or maybe is has arrived a bit early in Australia
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From edward_rynearson at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  7 18:16:16 2008
From: edward_rynearson at yahoo.com (Edward Rynearson)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 15:16:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Greg Palast on the upcoming election theft
Message-ID: <302422.94459.qm@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Tuesday, October 7, 2008
   
  Greg Palast tells Dennis Bernstein that the entire global financial system is falling apart because of a bunch of loan sharks called sub prime lenders in the United States and how people's homes and votes are being stolen in preperation for another even greater upcoming election theft in America.
   
  http://www.radiodujour.com/people/palast_greg/
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From edward_rynearson at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  8 00:11:47 2008
From: edward_rynearson at yahoo.com (Edward Rynearson)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 21:11:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Nasa analyst explains the economic crisis like no
	other
Message-ID: <973322.15594.qm@web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Wednesday, October 8, 2008
   
  Alex Jones talks to former NASA analyst and author Richard C. Cook about the unfolding global financial collapse which he describes as the biggest bank heist in history.
   
  http://www.radiodujour.com
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From garyfranchi at gmail.com  Wed Oct  8 01:38:19 2008
From: garyfranchi at gmail.com (Gary Franchi)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 00:38:19 -0500
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Lead organizer needed for street action!!!
Message-ID: <2c9e41bb0810072238n1633847fw784b670fd99593db@mail.gmail.com>

The End the FED Chicago group *needs a leader* to step up and take the
reigns to make the Chicago street action effective.

*End the FED Chicago ( 33 Members )*
http://www.restoretherepublic.net/group.php?group_id=92

Please contact Pete Nosan ( petenosan1 at msn.com ) or Steven Vincent (
steven.vincent at sbcglobal.net )

For more info on the action please see http://EndTheFed.US


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From Walterb306 at cs.com  Wed Oct  8 11:14:50 2008
From: Walterb306 at cs.com (Walterb306 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 11:14:50 EDT
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Video - Same speech in Australia and Canada
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Hal and All,

Hal, thanks for turning this up and sharing it.

This Frazer Institute bears more investigating.  Who funds them? Who is 
connected to them?  Have they doubled up on speeches before?

Beverley   
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From Walterb306 at cs.com  Wed Oct  8 12:05:46 2008
From: Walterb306 at cs.com (Walterb306 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 12:05:46 EDT
Subject: [CitizensTruth] ARTICLE-Thousands of Troops deployed on US streets
Message-ID: <d5c.24153ac1.361e345a@cs.com>

All,

FYI.

Beverley



Thousands of Troops Are Deployed on U.S. Streets Ready to Carry Out "Crowd 
Control"

 By Naomi Wolf, AlterNet
Posted on October 8, 2008, Printed on October 8, 2008
http://www.alternet.org/story/101958/Background: the First Brigade of the 
Third Infantry Division, three to four thousand soldiers, has been deployed in 
the United States as of October 1. Their stated mission is the form of crowd 
control they practiced in Iraq, subduing "unruly individuals," and the management 
of a national emergency. I am in Seattle and heard from the brother of one of 
the soldiers that they are engaged in exercises now. Amy Goodman reported 
that an Army spokesperson confirmed that they will have access to lethal and non 
lethal crowd control technologies and tanks.

George Bush struck down Posse Comitatus , thus making it legal for military 
to patrol the U.S. He has also legally established that in the "War on Terror," 
the U.S. is at war around the globe and thus the whole world is a 
battlefield. Thus the U.S. is also a battlefield.

 He also led change to the 1807 Insurrection Act to give him far broader 
powers in the event of a loosely defined "insurrection" or many other "conditions" 
he has the power to identify. The Constitution allows the suspension of 
habeas corpus -- habeas corpus prevents us from being seized by the state and held 
without trial -- in the event of an "insurrection." With his own army force 
now, his power to call a group of protesters or angry voters "insurgents" 
staging an "insurrection" is strengthened.

U.S. Rep. Brad Sherman of California said to Congress, captured on C-Span and 
viewable on YouTube, that individual members of the House were threatened 
with martial law within a week if they did not pass the bailout bill:




>  "The only way they can pass this bill is by creating and sustaining a 
> panic atmosphere. ? Many of us were told in private conversations that if we 
> voted against this bill on Monday that the sky would fall, the market would drop 
> two or three thousand points the first day and a couple of thousand on the 
> second day, and a few members were even told that there would be martial law in 
> America if we voted no."


If this is true and Rep. Sherman is not delusional, I ask you to consider 
that if they are willing to threaten martial law now, it is foolish to assume 
they will never use that threat again. It is also foolish to trust in an orderly 
election process to resolve this threat. And why deploy the First Brigade? One 
thing the deployment accomplishes is to put teeth into such a threat.
I interviewed Vietnam veteran, retired U.S. Air Force Colonel and patriot 
David Antoon for clarification:
"If the President directed the First Brigade to arrest Congress, what could 
stop him?"
 "Nothing. Their only recourse is to cut off funding. The Congress would be 
at the mercy of military leaders to go to them and ask them not to obey illegal 
orders."
"But these orders are now legal?'"
"Correct."
"If the President directs the First Brigade to arrest a bunch of voters, what 
would stop him?"
"Nothing. It would end up in courts but the action would have been taken."
"If the President directs the First Brigade to kill civilians, what would 
stop him?"
"Nothing."
"What would prevent him from sending the First Brigade to arrest the editor 
of the Washington Post?"
 "Nothing. He could do what he did in Iraq -- send a tank down a street in 
Washington and fire a shell into the Washington Post as they did into Al 
Jazeera, and claim they were firing at something else."
"What happens to members of the First Brigade who refuse to take up arms 
against U.S. citizens?"
 "They'd probably be treated as deserters as in Iraq: arrested, detained and 
facing five years in prison. In Iraq a study by Ann Wright shows that 
deserters -- reservists who refused to go back to Iraq -- got longer sentences than 
war criminals."
"Does Congress have any military of their own?"
 "No. Congress has no direct control of any military units. The Governors 
have the National Guard but they report to the President in an emergency that he 
declares."
"Who can arrest the President?"
"The Attorney General can arrest the President after he leaves or after 
impeachment."
 [Note: Prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi has asserted it is possible for District 
Attorneys around the country to charge President Bush with murder if they 
represent districts where one or more military members who have been killed in 
Iraq formerly resided.]
"Given the danger do you advocate impeachment?"
 "Yes. President Bush struck down Posse Comitatus -- which has prevented, 
with a penalty of two years in prison, U.S. leaders since after the Civil War 
from sending military forces into our streets -- with a 'signing statement.' He 
should be impeached immediately in a bipartisan process to prevent the use of 
military forces and mercenary forces against U.S. citizens"
 "Should Americans call on senior leaders in the Military to break publicly 
with this action and call on their own men and women to disobey these orders?"
 "Every senior military officer's loyalty should ultimately be to the 
Constitution. Every officer should publicly break with any illegal order, even from 
the President."
"But if these are now legal. If they say, 'Don't obey the Commander in 
Chief,' what happens to the military?"
 "Perhaps they would be arrested and prosecuted as those who refuse to 
participate in the current illegal war. That's what would be considered a coup."
"But it's a coup already."
"Yes." 
Naomi Wolf is the author of Give Me Liberty (Simon and Schuster, 2008), the 
sequel to the New York Times best-seller The End of America: A Letter of 
Warning to a Young Patriot (Chelsea Green, 2007). ? 2008 Independent Media 
Institute. All rights reserved.
View this story online at: http://www.alternet.org/story/101958/   
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From garyfranchi at gmail.com  Wed Oct  8 12:23:42 2008
From: garyfranchi at gmail.com (Gary Franchi)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 11:23:42 -0500
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Oct 11th - Protest Against the War and Wall Street
Message-ID: <2c9e41bb0810080923w2a68a127hdc4b539f82f229e6@mail.gmail.com>

I just got a call from Dr. Lora Chamberlain, from Illinois Ballot Integrity
Project...

She informed me of a street action this weekend if anyone would like to
attend.

2pm Oct 11th Devon and Levitt, North side Chicago

Protest against the war and wall street.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Devon%20and%20Levitt%2C%20Chicago&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wl

Please attend or pass it on.

-Gary
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From futurenotwritten at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  8 16:16:59 2008
From: futurenotwritten at yahoo.com (Jay Becker)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 13:16:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Press conf for Oct 11 anti-war march THURS
Message-ID: <763891.36461.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi everyone,

The media cmte has been working with the Pakistani American community on a press conference to promote this Saturday's protest.? In case you haven't already heard, the info about the press conference is as follows:

11 AM tomorrow (Thursday)
In front of the Kluczynski Federal Building
230 S. Dearborn Street
(corner of Jackson & Dearborn)

So that we are ready to go right at 11 AM sharp, please arrive by 10:45 AM.? Please, if there's anyway you can drop by, it will be very helpful in sending the message that a lot of people are board for this event, and thus help us get on the news.? The press conference itself should last only about 1/2 hour, so if you work in the Loop and can take an early lunch hour, that'd be great.

Thanks!

Andy
773.209.1187





Declare It Now! Wear Orange!
Impeach Bush & Cheney for War Crimes
& Crimes against Humanity!



      
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From garyfranchi at gmail.com  Thu Oct  9 03:40:02 2008
From: garyfranchi at gmail.com (Gary Franchi)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 02:40:02 -0500
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Unconventional Tour coming to Chicago
Message-ID: <2c9e41bb0810090040s4577fd80t1dfbef9f3f70b6c1@mail.gmail.com>

Penny Little, creator of 9/11 Dust and Deceit, the groundbreaking film about
the air quality at ground zero and the toxic cover up that is still claiming
lives of the 9/11 first responders is bringing the "Unconventional Tour" to
Chicago on October 25 at the Heartland Caf? at 7000 N Glenwood Ave Chicago,
IL 60626.

Here is the link: http://www.unconventionaltour.com/Chicago.html

An Evening of Musical "Mashup" of political songs ,media, politics.

Free Speech Contest

Featuring "The Away Team" from California

*plus* Lone Lantern's very own SWIZZLE TREE acoustic""Steve and Saarang"

Special guest Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's, Jim Post
At the web-page, there is a poster, an mp3, and a press release which you
can download and use to *promote the event*.

It looks like it will be a great opportunity to bring that friend you've
been working on and have some fun too!

-Gary
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From geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com  Thu Oct  9 11:01:57 2008
From: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com (Geri Perry)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 10:01:57 -0500
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Video - Same speech in Australia and Canada
In-Reply-To: <c94.3de81a0a.361e286a@cs.com>
References: <c94.3de81a0a.361e286a@cs.com>
Message-ID: <48EE1CE5.7020309@thetwofacesofmoney.com>

Speaking of puppets,

Check this clip of Phil Donahue's Body of War, especially around minutes 
3 and 8, which shows one official after another parroting "talking 
points" about mushroom clouds, etc in the lead up to the Iraq War: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyEYTIHdWR8

As I recall from watching Brian Lamb's interview of Donahue, Body of War 
has several similar segments, not included in the above clip which are 
just as startling.

SOOOOO, we might also ask how and who is connected to those who produce 
"talking points" for our own leaders - and even more to the point, why 
our leaders choose to repeat these manufactured points. Another 
question:  how do these "talking points" go global, when there was such 
global opposition on the part of the public to the war.

gerip

Walterb306 at cs.com wrote:
> Hal and All,
>
> Hal, thanks for turning this up and sharing it.
>
> This Frazer Institute bears more investigating.  Who funds them? Who 
> is connected to them?  Have they doubled up on speeches before?
>
> Beverley
>
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From Walterb306 at cs.com  Thu Oct  9 14:26:25 2008
From: Walterb306 at cs.com (Walterb306 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 14:26:25 EDT
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Fwd: Wolfowitz Back and Planning War with China
Message-ID: <c86.3e3bba04.361fa6d1@cs.com>

All,

FYI.

Beverley   
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From futurenotwritten at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 10 09:46:22 2008
From: futurenotwritten at yahoo.com (Jay Becker)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 06:46:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Oct 11, 2 p: End War at Home & Abroad!
Message-ID: <239329.4267.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Join us tomorrow, 2 pm, Devon & Leavitt, as we join with the Pakistani community to say Enough! Basta Ya! to wars for empire at home & abroad! Bring your own signs and banners and if you want to make some, come by Acme Art Works at 1741 N. Western Ave at 7 pm where World Can't Wait will have a banner-making party. 

Immigrant Peace Activists to Obama: End War at Home and Abroad


Chris Geovanis, Chicago IMC [ http://chicago. indymedia. org/newswire/ display/84150/ index.php?]






 

Pakistani community leaders Raja Yaqub, Said Umar Khan and Ifti Nasim meet with representatives of Senator Barack Obama.







CHICAGO ? Peace activists from Chicago's Pakistani-American community
and anti-war groups from the metro Chicago region convened an emergency
press conference on Thursday, October 9 at 11AM in front of the
Kluczynski Federal Building at 230 S. Dearborn, to urge an end to U.S.
military policy abroad ? including U.S. attacks inside Pakistan's
border, and more broadly, U.S. war military aggression throughout the
region.



The immigrant group representatives also raised alarms about ongoing
attacks on the civil liberties and human rights of immigrants at home,
whose children are often welcomed as military enlistees while their
relatives are criminalized as 'illegal' or insufficiently 'American'. 



At the conclusion of the press conference, activists delivered a letter
expressing those sentiments to U.S. Senator Barak Obama, who has
offices in the Kluczynski Building. Mr. Obama is a particular focus of
their concern, given his standin
g as the potential next President of the United States, and his avowed
support for U.S. military incursions into Pakistan ? a stand he
reiterated in his Tuesday debate with John McCain, to the dismay of
Pakistani-Americans and peace activists across the country.








Click on image for a larger version


 

Yaqub, Khan and Nasim hand a letter to Obama representatives Scott Hooks and Joan M. Currie-Leonard.







"We know that the U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq has been a
disaster, for both the Iraqi people and the American people, whatever
the spinmasters may say" said Ifti Nasim,
a respected poet who is an activist in both the Pakistani and LGBT
communities. "It was deeply disturbing on Tuesday to see both Mr.
McCain and Mr. Obama essentially embrace exactly the same policy that
the Bush administration has advanced in the last eight years, to the
great pain and suffering of literally millions of people. This policy
approach must be challenged."








Click on image for a larger version


 

Ifti Nasim reports back on the meeting with representatives Senator Obama.







Members of Chicago's Pakistani-American community argue that U.S.
military bombings in Pakistan have killed hundreds of civilians,
exacerbated the larger conflict in the region, and displaced hundreds
of thousands of Pakistani civilians within their own country, creating
huge human suffering among the population of one of the United States'
most loyal allies.



"Recent U.S. military attacks inside the Pakistani border have been
devastating for the civilian population," said community leader Raja Yaqub.
"This policy is creating hundreds of thousands of internal refugees,
turning people against the United States, and creating a humanitarian
crisis just as winter begins that could take thousands of lives."



On Saturday, Chicago?s Pakistani community will host peace groups from
across the metropolitan area at a rally and march as part of a
nationwide day of action for peace that marks the sixth anniversary of
Congress's "blank check" authorization for war on Iraq. That action is
is being organized by a broad coalition of local peace groups around
two central demands: a call to bring the troops home now and a demand
to end attacks and mass deportations in immigrant communities across
Chicago. 



"As immigrants in America, we've been the target of much misunderstanding and mistreatment in the last eight 
years," said Pakistani-American community leader Said Umar Khan
of the Pakistani Federation of America. "Just as attacks on immigrants
in this country are based on grievous ? and dangerously misguided ?
misunderstanding about the people and politics of South Asia and
throughout the globe, the U.S. military policy to bomb targets within
Pakistan is based on the same type of distorted perceptions and
indifference to the human suffering these policies cause."



Activists argue that both U.S. policy toward immigrants at home and
U.S. military policy abroad create tremendous human suffering, do
nothing to undercut the root causes of conflict in the region, and will
only create greater hardship for the people of Pakistan and the larger
region. They argue that it is time U.S. policy was conducted with
wisdom and compassion instead of brute force and narrow self-interest.



The letter activists delivered to Mr. Obama urged him to reconsider his
position, arguing that people in Pakistan and throughout the region are
hungry for progressive change ? and that his current position
represents instead more of the same military approach also embraced by
George Bush and John McCain.



Many of the groups organizing for this Saturday's protest have
mobilized in the past to oppose the war, including the mass protest
when the war began on March 20, 2003. Organizers have vowed to target
leaders of both major national political parties, in the wake of John
McCain's staunch support for expanded U.S. military aggression in the
region and Illinois favorite son Barak Obama's embrace of pre-emptive
U.S. attacks within Pakistan's borders. 



++++++++++++ +++++++++ +++++++++ +++++++++ +++++++++ +








Click on image for a larger version


 

Letter to Barack Obama from Pakistani community and other peace activists.







Text of Letter Delivered to Senator Obama



October 9, 2009



The Honorable Barak Obama

U.S. Senator, the State of Illinois

John C. Kluczynski Federal Office Building

230 South Dearborn St.

Suite 3900, 39th floor

Chicago, Illinois 60604



Dear Senator Obama:



We write as peace activists, including many of us who hail from
Chicago?s dynamic Pakistani American community. We write with a simple
and urgent message: to call upon you to end U.S. war at home and abroad.



We are particularly concerned with your public pronouncements earlier
this week in support of violating the borders of our ally, the country
of Pakistan, by bombing targets within this nation. Just as immigrants
within this nation have been the victims of a pernicious war at home
that has targeted immigrants for abuse and worse because of their e
thnicity or race, now civilians within Pakistan are feeling the direct
consequences of U.S. war abroad ? through a growing pattern of military
attacks that has devastating consequences for civilians throughout the
region. 



We feel compelled to raise alarms about ongoing attacks on the civil
liberties and human rights of immigrants at home. Ironically, at the
same time that our children are often welcomed as enlistees to the U.S.
military machine, their relatives are often criminalized as 'illegal'
or insufficiently 'American'. 



You stand on the cusp of a truly historic election, one in which a
person of color may finally assume the highest office of this land. As
the potential next President of the United States, you must understand
the sweeping dismay that your avowed support for U.S. military
incursions into Pakistan ? a stand you reiterated in your Tuesday
debate with your opponent John McCain ? has elicited among untold
numbers of Pakistani-Americans and peace activists across the country.



We know that the U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq has been a
disaster, for both the Iraqi people and the American people. It was
deeply disturbing on Tuesday to see both you and your opponent
essentially embrace exactly the same policy that the Bush
administration has advanced in the last eight years, to the great pain
and suffering of literally millions of people. This policy approach
must be challenged.



The reality is that U.S. military bombings in Pakistan have killed hund
reds of civilians, exacerbated the larger conflict in the region, and
displaced hundreds of thousands of Pakistani civilians within their own
country, creating huge human suffering among the population of one of
the United States? most loyal allies. People on the ground in Pakistan
? our beloved families and friends ? are stunned, horrified, and truly
appalled at this turn in U.S. policy on the people of a nation that has
long been a friend to the United States and to the American people.



The devastation caused by recent U.S. military attacks inside the
Pakistani border is creating hundreds of thousands of internal
refugees, turning people against the United States, and just as winter
begins, creating a humanitarian crisis that could take thousands of
lives.



Just as attacks on immigrants in this country are based on grievous ?
and dangerously misguided ? misunderstandings about the people and
politics of South Asia and throughout the globe, the U.S. military
policy to bomb targets within Pakistan is based on the same type of
distorted perceptions and indifference to the human suffering that
these policies cause. It is a policy that is rooted in folly and
indifference to human suffering. It is a policy that must be reversed.



U.S. policy toward immigrants at home and U.S. military policy abroad
create tremendous human suffering, does nothing to undercut the root
causes of conflict in the region, and will only create greater hardship
for the people of Pakistan and the larger region. It is time U.S.
policy was conducted with wisdom and compassion instead of brute force
and narrow self-interest. We urge you to reconsider your position,
remembering that people in Pakistan and throughout the region are
hungry for progressive change ? and that your current position
represents instead more of the same military approach also embraced by
George Bush and John McCain.



We look forward to meeting with you to discuss this matter further, and enclose our contact information with this letter.



Sincerely, 


?

    Declare It Now! Wear Orange!
Impeach Bush & Cheney for War Crimes
& Crimes against Humanity!



      
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From hal at drxyzzy.org  Fri Oct 10 10:05:54 2008
From: hal at drxyzzy.org (Hal Snyder)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:05:54 -0500
Subject: [CitizensTruth] reminder - CSA movie tonight in Palatine
Message-ID: <A89B2690-DB8B-4B22-BBFC-B918A01F4C5C@drxyzzy.org>

FYI, we're showing The Real Dirt on Farmer John tonight in Palatine.  
This is the story of an individual who set about radically remaking  
the way we grow and distribute our food, pushing the envelope on  
community supported agriculture and sustainability.

http://icjpe.org/actions/details/?id=1630

Film: The Real Dirt on Farmer John
Sponsored by: Citizens Truth
Date(s): 2008-10-10
Time: 07:00 pm
Description: Film screening: The Real Dirt on Farmer John -  
Sustainable agriculture, literally from the grassroots.

The epic tale of a maverick Midwestern farmer. An outcast in his  
community, Farmer John bravely stands amidst a failing economy,  
vicious rumors, and violence. By melding the traditions of family  
farming with the power of art and free expression, this powerful  
story of transformation and renewal heralds a resurrection of farming  
in America.

Discussion to follow the film.

Friday, October 10, 7:00 p.m. in Atherton Hall
Countryside Church Unitarian Universalist
1025 N. Smith Rd. (between NW Hwy. & Dundee Rds.)
Palatine, IL 60067

For more information, contact:
Colleen Vahey, Director of Religious Education, 847-359-8440 x4;  
cvaheyuu at gmail.com

For complete updates on our 2nd Friday film series see the link:
More Information: http://www.citizenstruth.info/afdfilms/index.html

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From mincam2 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 10 10:42:56 2008
From: mincam2 at yahoo.com (Chuck Minne)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:42:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Obama's earmarked $3 million "projector"
In-Reply-To: <A89B2690-DB8B-4B22-BBFC-B918A01F4C5C@drxyzzy.org>
Message-ID: <903899.77443.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>




>From Science News
?
On 'Earmarks' for My Favorite Science Centers 
By Janet Raloff
Web edition : Thursday, October 9th, 2008

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Some Overhead Projector!
This is the aging Zeiss planetarium that Chicago hoped to get federal funds to replace: The Adler Planetarium
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I realize that this is a judgment call, but I?m miffed at the example of egregious earmarks that John McCain chose to single out during Tuesday?s town-hall presidential debate: ?$3 million for an overhead projector at a planetarium in Chicago? ? one that he said Sen. Obama had ?voted for.?
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He made it sound like a silly boondoggle.
?
And it would have been if it were indeed for an overhead projector ? those things geeky academics scribble formulas and arrows onto during lectures in dark, windowless classrooms. To cost $3 million, it must be platinum-plated, right?
?
In fact, this earmark had been a request (and not by Obama) to purchase a new planetarium ? the device that projects stars, planets, and more onto the domed ceiling of educational theaters. It was to replace the heart and soul of the 78-year-old Adler Planetarium, home to the first planetarium in America. A renowned lakefront institution, this public museum is still operated in a building owned by the city?s Park District.
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In other words, money had been requested for an educational tool ? a precision-electro-optics-laden mechanical system used to teach astronomy to the public (mostly endless classes of school children) in the nation?s third largest city (pop. 2.8 million). The money wasn?t for a mindless upgrade, like buying a new car every three years whether you need it or not. Adler?s German-engineered Zeiss planetarium is approaching 40, and its manufacturer no longer supports nor services this instrument.
?
Which can be a problem, since these babies are finicky. I know that all too well from the time I worked at Adler and watched the museum?s crack mechanics rush to tweak and service minor malfunctions between public planetarium shows that took place every few hours ? every day of the week.
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In the early 1970s, I was an astronomy major at nearby Northwestern ? until I finally convinced the university?s very picky Medill School of Journalism to let me transfer in. It was this unusual background in both journalism and astronomy that apparently persuaded Adler?s director (one of six staff astronomers) to take a gamble on me. He offered?this college junior her?first (albeit part-time)?journalism job? ? and in?her dream environment, a storied, world-class museum and learning center devoted to understanding the cosmos.
?
In putting together what amounted to a colorful 50-page astronomy book, a guide to the museum?s antique instruments and educational exhibits, I worked intimately with all of the astronomers, most of whom had appointments at Northwestern or the University of Chicago. It was Adler?s astronomers who first introduced me to Science News. It was at Adler that I got to touch its ancient scientific instruments (one might think of this place as the Smithsonian of astronomy). And it was at Adler that I sat in on dozens of shows in the Sky Theater ? public astronomy lessons (some of whose scripts I had edited), which literally came to light via celestial imagery projected by is majestic Zeiss planetarium.
?
Let me emphasize: The museum?s mission has always been to teach. It doesn?t make a profit. It serves the public. And legions of children depart its architecturally arresting Art Deco facility understanding that astronomy has nothing to do with horoscopes, that cosmology has nothing to do with hair styling and manicures (i.e. cosmetology). They encounter the science of black holes and quasars, they watch as projections depict the movement of celestial bodies over time, they absorb history lessons that mesmerize normally fidgety pre-teens.
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I would argue that the money would have been well spent. Moreover, Adler president Paul Knappenberger noted in today's Chicago Tribune that planetariums in New York and Los Angeles received federal funding in recent years to replace their aging Zeiss systems.?
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Although Obama? ? and other members of the Illinois congressional delegation? ? supported a similar earmark for Adler, it was never attached to a bill, notes Sarah Beck, a spokesperson for the museum. So Adler never got its requested funds and, strictly speaking,?Obama can?t be blamed for wasting money on that ?projector.?
?
But I?m curious: Was McCain?s lambasting of this proposed earmark just his attempt to reign in all nonessential spending in this time of economic hardship? Or was he just looking for a chuckle by pointing to what seemed ridiculous ? like those Defense Department projects that yielded a $200,000 hammer? Or was he indirectly arguing that major investments in public education ? like Adler?s planetarium or a Smithsonian research lab ? are, by their very nature, an inappropriate use of federal funds?




He defines?mean:?? During his 1992 campaign, at the end of a long day, McCain's wife, Cindy, mussed his receding hair and needled him playfully that he was "getting a little thin up there." McCain reportedly blew his top, cutting his wife down with the kind of language that had gotten him hauled into court as a high schooler: "At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you cunt." Even though the incident was witnessed by three reporters, the McCain campaign denies it took place.?. . .? In 1998, the senator told a joke about President Clinton's teenage daughter at a GOP fundraiser. "Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?" McCain asked. "Because her father is Janet Reno!". . . .? Even his friends seemed to dislike him, with one recalling him as "a mean little fucker.". . . http://www.truthout.org/100508A

--- On Fri, 10/10/08, Hal Snyder <hal at drxyzzy.org> wrote:

From: Hal Snyder <hal at drxyzzy.org>
Subject: [CitizensTruth] reminder - CSA movie tonight in Palatine
To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net
Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 9:05 AM


FYI, we're showing The Real Dirt on Farmer John tonight in Palatine. This is the story of an individual who set about radically remaking the way we grow and distribute our food, pushing the envelope on community supported agriculture and sustainability.


http://icjpe.org/actions/details/?id=1630




Film: The Real Dirt on Farmer John
Sponsored by: Citizens Truth
Date(s): 2008-10-10
Time: 07:00 pm
Description: Film screening: The Real Dirt on Farmer John - Sustainable agriculture, literally from the grassroots.


The epic tale of a maverick Midwestern farmer. An outcast in his community, Farmer John bravely stands amidst a failing economy, vicious rumors, and violence. By melding the traditions of family farming with the power of art and free expression, this powerful story of transformation and renewal heralds a resurrection of farming in America.


Discussion to follow the film.


Friday, October 10, 7:00 p.m. in Atherton Hall?
Countryside Church Unitarian Universalist?
1025 N. Smith Rd. (between NW Hwy. & Dundee Rds.)?
Palatine, IL 60067


For more information, contact:
Colleen Vahey, Director of Religious Education, 847-359-8440 x4; cvaheyuu at gmail.com


For complete updates on our 2nd Friday film series see the link:
More Information: http://www.citizenstruth.info/afdfilms/index.html

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From hal at drxyzzy.org  Fri Oct 10 11:08:44 2008
From: hal at drxyzzy.org (Hal Snyder)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:08:44 -0500
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Obama's earmarked $3 million "projector"
In-Reply-To: <903899.77443.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <903899.77443.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CCCFFABC-84A3-41BA-92E7-BBADF8B4C74F@drxyzzy.org>

When Congress spends trillions of the people's earnings for the  
military, routinely losing track of a third of or more of it, it's  
called national security. When they spend trillions propping up  
failed businesses, it's called a bail-out or a rescue.

Then talk about sending any of the federal take back for the benefit  
of those who pay the bill, for social benefit, and the screaming starts:

Socialism! Communism! Earmarks! Pork!

"Few trends could so thoroughly undermine the very foundations of our  
free society as the acceptance by corporate officials of a social  
responsibility other than to make as much money for their  
stockholders as possible." - Milton Friedman, Capitalism and Freedom.

On Oct 10, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Chuck Minne wrote:

> From Science News
>
> On 'Earmarks' for My Favorite Science Centers
> By Janet Raloff
> Web edition : Thursday, October 9th, 2008
>
> Some Overhead Projector!
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From hal at drxyzzy.org  Fri Oct 10 12:30:16 2008
From: hal at drxyzzy.org (Hal Snyder)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:30:16 -0500
Subject: [CitizensTruth] [MCM] Army, Air Force poised for action HERE
References: <a0624083cc515241b70df@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <EC6B24B9-CE37-486A-AF35-8BC780FD6A48@drxyzzy.org>

The subversion of Posse Comitatus is accomplished. Bush's army  
crosses the Rubicon.

A personal note:

I was at an election judges' class last night in Cook County, IL.  
I've participated in election-day judging for several years.

This was the first time trainees were ushered into a darkened room  
with a projection screen on, told where to sit, and to identify  
ourselves by first name when asking a question. It was also the first  
time the instructor mentioned crowd control as something we should  
concerned with.

This gave it a completely different feel from the reunion setting of  
previous classes where people sat where they pleased, and many of the  
judges and instructors knew each other and visited briefly as equals  
before the start of class.

I don't know if this was a policy change or just something about the  
class I was in.

A favorable contrast - about half last night's class were student  
judges; in the past we had maybe a half dozen students, with the  
majority of the class well into senior citizen status.

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Mark Crispin Miller <mark.miller at nyu.edu>
> Date: October 10, 2008 10:32:46 AM CDT
> To: newsfromunderground at googlegroups.com
> Subject: [MCM] Army, Air Force poised for action HERE
>
> If, say, thousands of would-be voters, told that they aren't  
> registered, don't slink home
> on this Election Day, but stick around, their numbers growing, and  
> start making noise,
> with some of them recording such protests on video, and posting  
> them on YouTube--
> what might happen, in this nation where, we often tell ourselves,  
> elections are quite
> orderly and peaceful, and not resolved by "tanks in the streets"?
>
> Be sure to read the harrowing interview with David Antoon, reported  
> in Naomi Wolf's
> piece, below.
> MCM
>
> Flight exercise today around D.C.
>
> The Associated Press
> Posted : Thursday Oct 9, 2008 7:53:26 EDT
> http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2008/10/ap_exerciseflights_100908/
>
> WASHINGTON - The Air Force is planning a one-day flight exercise in  
> the Washington area.
> Aircraft will perform a series of training flights starting early  
> Thursday. The North American Aerospace Defense Command and other  
> agencies are coordinating the flights.
> Civil Air Patrol aircraft and Coast Guard helicopters will take part.
> Officials say the exercise, called Falcon Virgo, refines the  
> command's interception and identification operations. It also helps  
> with testing visual warning systems.
> Similar exercise flights have been held throughout the country.
>
>
> Thousands of Troops Are Deployed on U.S. Streets Ready to Carry Out  
> "Crowd Control
>
> By Naomi Wolf, AlterNet
> Posted on October 8, 2008, Printed on October 10, 2008
> http://www.alternet.org/story/101958/
>
> Background: the First Brigade of the Third Infantry Division, three  
> to four thousand soldiers, has been deployed in the United States  
> as of October 1. Their stated mission is the form of crowd control  
> they practiced in Iraq, subduing "unruly individuals," and the  
> management of a national emergency. I am in Seattle and heard from  
> the brother of one of the soldiers that they are engaged in  
> exercises now. Amy Goodman reportedthat an Army spokesperson  
> confirmed that they will have access to lethal and non lethal crowd  
> control technologies and tanks.
>
> George Bush struck down Posse Comitatus, thus making it legal for  
> military to patrol the U.S. He has also legally established that in  
> the "War on Terror," the U.S. is at war around the globe and thus  
> the whole world is a battlefield. Thus the U.S. is also a battlefield.
>
> He also led change to the 1807 Insurrection Act to give him far  
> broader powers in the event of a loosely defined "insurrection" or  
> many other "conditions" he has the power to identify. The  
> Constitution allows the suspension of habeas corpus -- habeas  
> corpus prevents us from being seized by the state and held without  
> trial -- in the event of an "insurrection." With his own army force  
> now, his power to call a group of protesters or angry voters  
> "insurgents" staging an "insurrection" is strengthened.
>
> U.S. Rep. Brad Sherman of California said to Congress, captured on  
> C-Span and viewable on YouTube, that individual members of the  
> House were threatened with martial law within a week if they did  
> not pass the bailout bill:
>
>
> "The only way they can pass this bill is by creating and sustaining  
> a panic atmosphere. ? Many of us were told in private conversations  
> that if we voted against this bill on Monday that the sky would  
> fall, the market would drop two or three thousand points the first  
> day and a couple of thousand on the second day, and a few members  
> were even told that there would be martial law in America if we  
> voted no."
>
> If this is true and Rep. Sherman is not delusional, I ask you to  
> consider that if they are willing to threaten martial law now, it  
> is foolish to assume they will never use that threat again. It is  
> also foolish to trust in an orderly election process to resolve  
> this threat. And why deploy the First Brigade? One thing the  
> deployment accomplishes is to put teeth into such a threat.
>
> I interviewed Vietnam veteran, retired U.S. Air Force Colonel and  
> patriot David Antoon for clarification:
>
> "If the President directed the First Brigade to arrest Congress,  
> what could stop him?"
>
> "Nothing. Their only recourse is to cut off funding. The Congress  
> would be at the mercy of military leaders to go to them and ask  
> them not to obey illegal orders."
>
> "But these orders are now legal?'"
>
> "Correct."
>
> "If the President directs the First Brigade to arrest a bunch of  
> voters, what would stop him?"
>
> "Nothing. It would end up in courts but the action would have been  
> taken."
>
> "If the President directs the First Brigade to kill civilians, what  
> would stop him?"
>
> "Nothing."
>
> "What would prevent him from sending the First Brigade to arrest  
> the editor of the Washington Post?"
>
> "Nothing. He could do what he did in Iraq -- send a tank down a  
> street in Washington and fire a shell into the Washington Post as  
> they did into Al Jazeera, and claim they were firing at something  
> else."
>
> "What happens to members of the First Brigade who refuse to take up  
> arms against U.S. citizens?"
>
> "They'd probably be treated as deserters as in Iraq: arrested,  
> detained and facing five years in prison. In Iraq a study by Ann  
> Wright shows that deserters -- reservists who refused to go back to  
> Iraq -- got longer sentences than war criminals."
>
> "Does Congress have any military of their own?"
>
> "No. Congress has no direct control of any military units. The  
> Governors have the National Guard but they report to the President  
> in an emergency that he declares."
>
> "Who can arrest the President?"
>
> "The Attorney General can arrest the President after he leaves or  
> after impeachment."
>
> [Note: Prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi has asserted it is possible for  
> District Attorneys around the country to charge President Bush with  
> murder if they represent districts where one or more military  
> members who have been killed in Iraq formerly resided.]
>
> "Given the danger do you advocate impeachment?"
>
> "Yes. President Bush struck down Posse Comitatus -- which has  
> prevented, with a penalty of two years in prison, U.S. leaders  
> since after the Civil War from sending military forces into our  
> streets -- with a 'signing statement.' He should be impeached  
> immediately in a bipartisan process to prevent the use of military  
> forces and mercenary forces against U.S. citizens"
>
> "Should Americans call on senior leaders in the Military to break  
> publicly with this action and call on their own men and women to  
> disobey these orders?"
>
> "Every senior military officer's loyalty should ultimately be to  
> the Constitution. Every officer should publicly break with any  
> illegal order, even from the President."
>
> "But if these are now legal. If they say, 'Don't obey the Commander  
> in Chief,' what happens to the military?"
>
> "Perhaps they would be arrested and prosecuted as those who refuse  
> to participate in the current illegal war. That's what would be  
> considered a coup."
>
> "But it's a coup already."
>
> "Yes."
>
> Naomi Wolf is the author of Give Me Liberty (Simon and Schuster,  
> 2008), the sequel to the New York Times best-seller The End of  
> America: A Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot (Chelsea Green, 2007).
>
> ? 2008 Independent Media Institute. All rights reserved.
> View this story online at: http://www.alternet.org/story/101958/
>
>
>
> =========================
>
>
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> http://www.alternet.org/rights/101958/ 
> thousands_of_troops_are_deployed_on_u.s._streets_ready_to_carry_out_ 
> %22crowd_control%22/?page=entire
> Thousands of Troops Are Deployed on U.S. Streets Ready to Carry Out  
> "Crowd Control"
> By Naomi Wolf, AlterNet
> Posted on October 8, 2008, Printed on October 10, 2008
> http://www.alternet.org/story/101958/
> Background: the First Brigade of the Third Infantry Division, three  
> to four thousand soldiers, has been deployed in the United States  
> as of October 1. Their stated mission is the form of crowd control  
> they practiced in Iraq, subduing "unruly individuals," and the  
> management of a national emergency. I am in Seattle and heard from  
> the brother of one of the soldiers that they are engaged in  
> exercises now. Amy Goodman reportedthat an Army spokesperson  
> confirmed that they will have access to lethal and non lethal crowd  
> control technologies and tanks.
> George Bush struck down Posse Comitatus, thus making it legal for  
> military to patrol the U.S. He has also legally established that in  
> the "War on Terror," the U.S. is at war around the globe and thus  
> the whole world is a battlefield. Thus the U.S. is also a battlefield.
> He also led change to the 1807 Insurrection Act to give him far  
> broader powers in the event of a loosely defined "insurrection" or  
> many other "conditions" he has the power to identify. The  
> Constitution allows the suspension of habeas corpus -- habeas  
> corpus prevents us from being seized by the state and held without  
> trial -- in the event of an "insurrection." With his own army force  
> now, his power to call a group of protesters or angry voters  
> "insurgents" staging an "insurrection" is strengthened.
> U.S. Rep. Brad Sherman of California said to Congress, captured on  
> C-Span and viewable on YouTube, that individual members of the  
> House were threatened with martial law within a week if they did  
> not pass the bailout bill:
>
> "The only way they can pass this bill is by creating and sustaining  
> a panic atmosphere. ? Many of us were told in private conversations  
> that if we voted against this bill on Monday that the sky would  
> fall, the market would drop two or three thousand points the first  
> day and a couple of thousand on the second day, and a few members  
> were even told that there would be martial law in America if we  
> voted no."
>
> If this is true and Rep. Sherman is not delusional, I ask you to  
> consider that if they are willing to threaten martial law now, it  
> is foolish to assume they will never use that threat again. It is  
> also foolish to trust in an orderly election process to resolve  
> this threat. And why deploy the First Brigade? One thing the  
> deployment accomplishes is to put teeth into such a threat.
> I interviewed Vietnam veteran, retired U.S. Air Force Colonel and  
> patriot David Antoon for clarification:
> "If the President directed the First Brigade to arrest Congress,  
> what could stop him?"
> "Nothing. Their only recourse is to cut off funding. The Congress  
> would be at the mercy of military leaders to go to them and ask  
> them not to obey illegal orders."
> "But these orders are now legal?'"
> "Correct."
> "If the President directs the First Brigade to arrest a bunch of  
> voters, what would stop him?"
> "Nothing. It would end up in courts but the action would have been  
> taken."
> "If the President directs the First Brigade to kill civilians, what  
> would stop him?"
> "Nothing."
> "What would prevent him from sending the First Brigade to arrest  
> the editor of the Washington Post?"
> "Nothing. He could do what he did in Iraq -- send a tank down a  
> street in Washington and fire a shell into the Washington Post as  
> they did into Al Jazeera, and claim they were firing at something  
> else."
> "What happens to members of the First Brigade who refuse to take up  
> arms against U.S. citizens?"
> "They'd probably be treated as deserters as in Iraq: arrested,  
> detained and facing five years in prison. In Iraq a study by Ann  
> Wright shows that deserters -- reservists who refused to go back to  
> Iraq -- got longer sentences than war criminals."
> "Does Congress have any military of their own?"
> "No. Congress has no direct control of any military units. The  
> Governors have the National Guard but they report to the President  
> in an emergency that he declares."
>
> "Who can arrest the President?"
> "The Attorney General can arrest the President after he leaves or  
> after impeachment."
> [Note: Prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi has asserted it is possible for  
> District Attorneys around the country to charge President Bush with  
> murder if they represent districts where one or more military  
> members who have been killed in Iraq formerly resided.]
> "Given the danger do you advocate impeachment?"
> "Yes. President Bush struck down Posse Comitatus -- which has  
> prevented, with a penalty of two years in prison, U.S. leaders  
> since after the Civil War from sending military forces into our  
> streets -- with a 'signing statement.' He should be impeached  
> immediately in a bipartisan process to prevent the use of military  
> forces and mercenary forces against U.S. citizens"
> "Should Americans call on senior leaders in the Military to break  
> publicly with this action and call on their own men and women to  
> disobey these orders?"
> "Every senior military officer's loyalty should ultimately be to  
> the Constitution. Every officer should publicly break with any  
> illegal order, even from the President."
> "But if these are now legal. If they say, 'Don't obey the Commander  
> in Chief,' what happens to the military?"
> "Perhaps they would be arrested and prosecuted as those who refuse  
> to participate in the current illegal war. That's what would be  
> considered a coup."
> "But it's a coup already."
> "Yes."
> Naomi Wolf is the author of Give Me Liberty (Simon and Schuster,  
> 2008), the sequel to the New York Times best-seller The End of  
> America: A Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot (Chelsea Green, 2007).
> ? 2008 Independent Media Institute. All rights reserved.
> View this story online at: http://www.alternet.org/story/101958/
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From: Walterb306 at cs.com (Walterb306 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:02:42 EDT
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Fwd: BBC-TV: "Set up to steal is again." Is 2008
	already fixed?
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All,

Innovative approach - comics!

Beverley


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From Walterb306 at cs.com  Fri Oct 10 22:43:42 2008
From: Walterb306 at cs.com (Walterb306 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:43:42 EDT
Subject: [CitizensTruth] ACTION - Call to Ron Paul bill on the Fed
Message-ID: <c2e.4375917e.36216cde@cs.com>

All,

FYI.

Forwarded info on Action.

Since its establishment around 1913 under Wilson, the Fed (private bank) has 
printed money and CHARGED THE GOVERNMENT (I.E., TAXPAYERS) interest on this 
created money. 

How many millions, billions, trillions would that be?

Both Jefferson and Jackson understood the true nature of a national bank and 
beat it back, but it was resurrected under Wilson.  Some writers link the 
establishment and policies of the Fed to the Great Depression.  Since it takes 
time for the effects to be realized, few individuals were able to connect the 
dots.

Beverley


 Ron Paul's Federal Reserve Abolition Act - HR 2755 


Please People today call your representative's office and ask him to join Ron 
Paul to support the HR2755 Let him now that we know that the Federal Reserve 
is a private corporation and it's illegal. Watch the documentary FREEDOM TO 
FASCISM by Aaron Russo if you want to master the information 

Luca 


Who Owns the Federal Reserve??
Here's a list you don't see very often....... ....

When this so called "bail out" is over,?these families will own our country 
and you and me!!!!??
Here's a list of the actual owners of the Federal Reserve: 
1 Rothschilds of London and Berlin?

2 Lazard Brothers of Paris?

3 Israel Moses Seaf of Italy?

4 Kuhn, Loeb & Co. of Germany and New York?

5 Warburg & Company of Hamburg, Germany?

6 Lehman Brothers of New York?

7 Goldman, Sachs of New York?

8 Rockefeller Brothers of New York?



Ron Paul's Federal Reserve Abolition Act - HR 2755 - Bravo!?? 

9-25-8

If you agree, call your Congressman today...?

Federal Reserve Board Abolition Act (Introduced in House)?

HR 2755 IH?

110th CONGRESS?

1st Session?

H. R. 2755?

To abolish the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and the 
Federal reserve banks, to repeal the Federal Reserve Act, and for other purposes.?


IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES?

June 15, 2007?

Mr. PAUL introduced the following bill?which was referred to the Committee on 
Financial Services?


A BILL?

To abolish the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and the 
Federal reserve banks, to repeal the Federal Reserve Act, and for other purposes.?

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States 
of America in Congress assembled,?



SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.?

This Act may be cited as the `Federal Reserve Board Abolition Act'.?



SEC. 2. FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD ABOLISHED

(a) In General -? Effective at the end of the 1-year period beginning on the 
date of the enactment of this Act, the Board of Governors of the Federal 
Reserve System and each Federal reserve bank are hereby abolished.?


(b) Repeal of Federal Reserve Act- Effective at the end of the 1-year period 
beginning on the date of the enactment of this Act, the Federal Reserve Act is 
hereby repealed.?


(c) Disposition of Affairs-?


(1) MANAGEMENT DURING DISSOLUTION PERIOD- During the 1-year period referred 
to in subsection 

(a), the Chairman of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System--?

(A) shall, for the sole purpose of winding up the affairs of the Board of 
Governors of the Federal Reserve System and the Federal reserve banks--?



(i) manage the employees of the Board and each such bank and provide for the 
payment of compensation and benefits of any such employee which accrue before 
the position of such employee is abolished; and?



(ii) manage the assets and liabilities of the Board and each such bank until 
such assets and liabilities are liquidated or assumed by the Secretary of the 
Treasury in accordance with this subsection; and?


(B) may take such other action as may be necessary, subject to the approval 
of the Secretary of the Treasury, to wind up the affairs of the Board and the 
Federal reserve banks.?


(2) LIQUIDATION OF ASSETS-& nbsp;


(A) IN GENERAL- The Director of the Office of Management and Budget shall 
liquidate all assets of the Board and the Federal reserve banks in an orderly 
manner so as to achieve as expeditious a liquidation as may be practical while 
maximizing the return to the Treasury.?


(B) TRANSFER TO TREASURY- After satisfying all claims against the Board and 
any Federal reserve bank which are accepted by the Director of the Office of 
Management and Budget and redeeming the stock of such banks, the net proceeds of 
the liquidation under subparagraph 

(A) shall be transferred to the Secretary of the Treasury and deposited in 
the General Fund of the Treasury.?


(3) ASSUMPTION OF LIABILITIES- All outstanding liabilities of the Board of 
Governors of the Federal Reserve System and the Federal reserve banks at the 
time such entities are abolished, including any liability for retirement and 
other benefits for former officers and employees of the Board or any such bank in 
accordance with employee retirement and benefit programs of the Board and any 
such bank, shall become the liability of the Secretary of the Treasury and 
shall be paid from amounts deposited in the general fund pursuant to paragraph 

(2) which are hereby appropriated for such purpose until all such liabilities 
are satisfied.?


(d) Report- At the end of the 18-month period beginning on the date of the 
enactment of this Act, the Secretary of the Treasury and the Director of the 
Office of Management and Budget shall submit a joint report to the Congress 
containing a detailed description of the actions taken to implement this Act and 
any actions or issues relating to such implementation that remain uncompleted or 
unresolved as of the date of the report 


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From r.gillam at comcast.net  Mon Oct 13 11:56:39 2008
From: r.gillam at comcast.net (Ragen Gillam)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:56:39 -0500
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Zeitgeist Addendum: New Film - very dangerous (!)
Message-ID: <20081013155637.09B5E6E0CE@six.pairlist.net>

 

This was forwarded to me recently, and I thought I would pass it on.  I had
my doubts about the original Zeitgeist movie, and haven't seen the sequel,
but Mr. Griffin's intelligent analysis makes it certain in my mind that the
movie is nothing but clever disinformation.  

 

Ragen

 

 Friends...

 

 Wow! I finally DID watch the original Zeitgeist film in its entirety a
month or so ago. I'm a big fan of the clip from that film that's on

youtube: "North American Union/RFID chip truth". I liked the film, tho I
wasn't sure what to make of the 1st part on Christianity. So I took it w/ a
grain, thought I'd figure it out in time, & meanwhile be open to it as "food
4 thought".

 Then I saw the "Zeitgeist Addendum" posted on a friend's page, & I watched
maybe the 1st 15 mins of it. It seemed good in the beginning, as it states
that the Federal Reserve is a harmful entity. I figured that the rest would
go into all that only more thoroughly, & I started to recommend watching it
to ppl. Then on the excellent, informative & empowering Alex Jones show (
listen at infowars.com), Jones was analyzing parts of this film & contesting
it. He said that alot of the info in it was false & dangerous. He played
parts of the narrative on the air, & then he gave answers as to why these
statements in the film are wrong. He also said that he's not saying the film
maker is necessarily bad, but IS clearly misinformed. Alex was hoping to
have the film maker on his show soon to discuss these Issues. But apparently
no one really knows who the film maker is? Seems he works in the media tho &
has access to great production tools etc. WOW! No wonder I

  shrugged off watching the original Zeitgeist 4 so long! 

 

 Here is G Edward Griffin's response to the film. He agrees w/ Alex Jones'

view of it. As always, while reading anything by Mr Griffin, it is clear how
well he knows his subject. Again I recommend visiting his site (
freedomforceinternational.org), & watching the video there, "An Idea Whose
Time Has Come", reading the Creed of Freedom, etc, & JOINING FREEDOM FORCE. 

 Here is what he has to say about this new sequel to Zeitgeist. Please take
a look! There is always much to be learned by reading anything by Mr Griffin
as he sites very good points & concepts. Right now, the information he
shares on the world situation is stuff we can no longer ignore.

 

 http://freedomforceinternational.org/pics/analysisheader.gif

 

 ZEITGEIST ADDENDUM - A CRITICAL REVIEW

 ) 2008 by G. Edward Griffin 2008 OCTOBER 9

 

 Hello Mr. Griffin. I'm sure you have heard of the popular movie on the
internet, Zeitgeist. It had three separate parts about Christianity being
fake, the Federal Reserve being a conspiracy and bad, and that the
government was involved in 9/11. Well the sequel just came out, Zeitgeist
Addendum, and it seems very dangerous. This movie screams controlled
opposition/false solution propaganda more than anything I have ever seen.

 

 The movie starts off with why the Federal Reserve is bad. It seems to latch
onto valid concerns that the freedom movement/Ron Paul supporters have been
worried about. But its solution is really, really bad and is already sending
a lot of people in the wrong direction. It goes on to say that money is evil
and has caused every problem in the world. If only we abolished all money
and private property everything would be great. All resources should
collectively belong to all humans of the world.

Intelligent management of resources and technology could allow everyone to
be free. The world would turn into some utopia. All crime would go away and
greed and corruption would go away. We should be a one world community. It
even specifically says that voting for liberty candidates like Ron Paul is
the wrong thing to do. I guess we should give up all hope and let bad
politicians do whatever they want to us.

 

 It is full of doublespeak, wild assumptions, and crazy socialist
propaganda. It also put in more about how religion is bad. I am convinced
this thing was specifically made to stop the liberty movement from achieving
anything. It puts in just enough truths that we believe in to trick people
into following the wrong path.

 

 I think statements about what is wrong with this film from liberty
organizations like Freedom Force International would do a lot of good and
would prevent some people from going in the wrong direction. Some people
might think the best idea is to just ignore it and it will go away. But it
appears to be incredibly popular online and gaining support. Even the most
popular Ron Paul website posted the video. And the most popular Ron Paul
message board has three threads with hundreds of posts talking about it.

Here is the video link.

 Jonathan, 2008 Oct 6

 

 REPLY FROM EG:

 

 Jonathan, I don't like to criticize anything that is helping to spread the
truth about the Federal Reserve and 9/11 but I must agree with the substance
of what you have said about this video. I watched it two nights ago and was
deeply disturbed by its message. At first, I thought it would be best to
just let it play itself out in expectation that most viewers would cross it
off as whacky. However, the production value is high, the effects and sound
score are compelling, and there is enough truth embedded in the beginning to
capture the attention and possibly the trust of many within the freedom
movement. So here are my comments on a few items of

concern:

> 

> 1. The information about the Federal Reserve is, for the most part, 

> right

on target. However, I practically fell out of my chair when the program
repeated that old, silly argument about the Fed not creating enough money to
cover the cost of interest on debt; and, therefore, the world must forever
be in debt. I knew right there that the writer did not read The Creature
from Jekyll Island or, if he did, he forgot my analysis of this common myth.
For those who are interested in that topic, it is fund on pages 191-192 of
The Creature.

> 

> 2. The next jolt came when the program praised Civil War Greenbacks,

calling them debt-free. Actually, Greenbacks were contrary to the U.S.

Constitution and, although they were not fiat money issued by the banks,
they were fiat money issued by the government. That was better than paying
interest on nothing to bankers, but they still wiped out the purchasing
power of American money through massive inflation. They can not correctly be
called debt-free, either, because they represented debt on the shoulders of
the government, which means, of course, on the shoulders of the taxpayers.
It never ceases to amaze me how people think that the solution to money
created out of nothing by those big, bad bankers is to have money created
out of nothing by those nice, trustworthy politicians. Yet, that is what
this program supports.

> 

> 3. There is a lengthy segment in which the author of I Was an Economic

Hit Man, John Perkins, tells the story of how propagandists in the U.S.

manipulated public opinion to support military action against several Latin
American countries. Then Perkins says that these propagandists scared
Americans by telling them that the leaders of these countries were Marxists
who were aligned with the Soviets. This, of course, is a half truth that is
just as dangerous as a total lie. It is true about the propagandists and
their strategy to scare the public into supporting military intervention in
those countries, but it is false to portray those dictators as great
humanitarians who cared only for the well being of their people. That is
total bunk. They WERE aligned with the Soviet Union and they WERE part of a
Marxist/Leninist strategy to dominate Latin America; a strategy that
continues to this day.

> 

 There was plenty not to like on both sides of that struggle, but

objective historians would never depict the Rhodesians (the CFR crowd in the
U.S.) as bad guys but depict the Soviet puppets as good guys. In his book,
Perkins reveals this same slant. He exposes the foul tactics of
international corporations, the IMF, and World Bank, but he never mentions a
Leftist dictator, such as Fidel Castro or Hugo Chavez without praising them.
Perkins is a collectivist aligned with the Left, and that strongly
influences his telling of this story. Yet the producers of the video make no
mention of this bias and give him an inordinate amount of time to present
his slanted view without challenge.

 

> 4. Perhaps the biggest insult to our intelligence is the main theme of

the program. It is that profits are the root of all our problems today.

That being the case, we must change mankind to reject profit and we must
work together on some other basis. It is never quite clear what that basis
is, but, whatever it is, it will be administered and directed by an elite
group, at least in the beginning. I was stunned by the fact that this is
pure Marxism. Mark theorized that people had to be re-educated (in labor
camps, if necessary) to cleanse their minds of the profit motive. He and his
disciples, such as Lenin and Stalin and Khrushchev, said that, eventually,
the character of man would be purged of greed, and then the state would
wither away because it no longer would be needed. Sure! We saw that in the
Soviet Union and China, right? Yet this Marxist nonsense is exactly what is
offered in this video program. It is Communism without using the name.

 

The profit motive is neither good nor bad. It can be applied either way
depending on social and political factors. The desire for profit is merely
the desire to be compensated for our labor, our creativity, our knowledge,
or even for our risk. Without profit, very little would be accomplished in
the world - not even if everyone spent a few years in labor camps to be
re-educated. It is a basic part of man's nature and is the mainspring of
human progress, as Henry Grady Weaver described it in his book by that same
title. Throughout history, whenever man lived in a system that allows him to
be rewarded for his work, there has been great productivity and abundance.
By contrast, where social engineers gained control of the state and
restricted people from receiving the fruits of their labor, productivity
fell, and scarcity was the norm.

 

 The profit motive functions differently in different political systems.

In a free system where government does not intervene in the market place,
the profit motive always will manifest itself as competition, each person or
each company trying to deliver better quality products and services at lower
prices. That was how it used to be in the early days of America, and that is
what led to the greatest outpouring of productivity and abundance the world
has ever seen. However, in a collectivist system where government controls
every conceivable aspect of economic and commercial activity (the system
that now exists in America), the profit motive always manifests itself as a
quest for political influence and laws to favor one group over another. The
net effect is to eliminate competition in the market place.

Under collectivism, success is achieved, not by creating better products and
services for less cost, but by controlling legislators and government
agencies. It is a system of legalized plunder, as Frederic Bastiat called it
in his famous treatise, The Law. Unfortunately, it is the system that
dominates most of the world today.

 Zeitgeist Addendum ignores this reality. At one point the narrator even
says that the greatest evil in the world today is "the free enterprise
system." That's an incredible statement, especially inasmuch as the free
enterprise system has been dead for several decades. It lives in name only.

The whole world now is in the grips of non-competitive monopolies and
cartels that have forged partnerships with governments. All of the evils to
which this program alludes are the result, not of the free enterprise
system, but of the abandonment of free enterprise and the adoption of
collectivism. This program creates a mythological boogeyman and then
advocates more of the very thing that has brought us to the mess we are in
today.

 

The enemy of mankind is not profit. It is a political system of big
government. Yet, this program is supportive of some of the most notable
big-government collectivist on the planet. Marxist/Leninists may be enemies
of collectivists in Washington, DC, but they are collectivists in their own
right. The Communist model is no better than the Nazi model.

 

 There is much more that could be said about other program topics such as
technology supposedly being our salvation, about the a future world in which
no one has to work, and about common ownership of land, oceans, natural
resources, etc. but, for the most part, these merely are sub issues to the
ones already described, so I will spare my readers the pain of further
discourse.

 

 In summary, this program does NOT offer a cure. It offers a mega dose 

 Of the disease itself.

 

 Ed Griffin, 2008 Oct 9

 

 

 

      

 

 

 

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From garyfranchi at gmail.com  Mon Oct 13 13:25:45 2008
From: garyfranchi at gmail.com (Gary Franchi)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:25:45 -0500
Subject: [CitizensTruth] [9-11-340] ACTION - Call to Ron Paul bill on
	the Fed
In-Reply-To: <1299950936.1223835993804.JavaMail.nobody@james3>
References: <1299950936.1223835993804.JavaMail.nobody@james3>
Message-ID: <2c9e41bb0810131025i727760c4w17a2a412ae2bcf5@mail.gmail.com>

Will someone PLEASE take a leadership role in the End the FED street action
on Nov 22?

We need a leader to step up and lead the End the Fed Chicago group at:
http://www.restoretherepublic.net/group.php?group_id=92 now totaling 41
members.

STEP 1: Sign up on RTR here:
http://restoretherepublic.net/sign-up.php

STEP 2: View End the Fed Chicago Group here:
http://www.restoretherepublic.net/group.php?group_id=92

STEP 3: Contact James F and ask to be made the leader:
http://www.restoretherepublic.net/JamesF/

Or just ditch the 41 people that need local leadership.

-Gary
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From edward_rynearson at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 13 15:23:48 2008
From: edward_rynearson at yahoo.com (Edward Rynearson)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:23:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Bev Harris,
	star of HBO's "Hacking Democracy" checks in with Alexander Jones
Message-ID: <500656.15132.qm@web30004.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

October 9, 2008
  Bev Harris, corporate fraud aditor,citizen activist and star of HBO's "Hacking Democracy" (watch below), checks in with Alex Jones and tells him how the electronic voting systems have been designed for fraud and how we the people have transferred control of our elections to government insiders and their contractors.
  http://www.radiodujour.com/people/harris_bev/
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From edward_rynearson at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 13 16:06:09 2008
From: edward_rynearson at yahoo.com (Edward Rynearson)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:06:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Wake Up People!
Message-ID: <107581.74118.qm@web30007.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Friday, October 10, 2008
Charolotte Iserbyt, who as former number 2 at the Department of Education under Ronald Reagan discovered that the outfit she worked for was nothing more than a brainwashing operation, is not glad to be back on the Alex Jones show reporting that no matter who wins the presidency, the plan created in the 1950's to control the US population is on course and will be fully implemented unless we interrupt it. 
http://www.radiodujour.com/people/iserbyt_charlotte/
   
  (please forward this link and ask your friends to listen to this - Bev Harris is right below this and is equally startling)
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From aroyboy44 at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 13 17:36:42 2008
From: aroyboy44 at hotmail.com (andrew ritter)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:36:42 +0000
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Zeitgeist addendum (very dangerous!)
Message-ID: <BLU123-W3725F57911C667FA0F7452BE360@phx.gbl>


Thanks for sending this Ragen as there's good discussion here.

I
am not familiar at all with Griffin's work, but I would have to
respectfully disagree with a lot of the analysis and I think both of
these movies are well worth anyone's time.  To characterize a truth
seeking film as "very dangerous" is what is very dangerous.  You don't
have to agree with every detail in order to gain some knowledge and
find some truth.  I find the alarm about this movie from people who are
supposedly on the same side to be much more alarming than the movie
itself.

I would also caution anyone who takes Alex Jones as the
ultimate beacon of truth and correctness because while I admire and
respect his work, I have read plenty of articles that turn out to be
more hype than truth and this undying fervent support for Ron Paul,
(while completely ignoring the amazing work of others like Cynthia
McKinney) while wonderful and helpful has served as a distraction a lot
of times from the fact that the system is not going to allow a Ron Paul
into power no matter how much the people might want it - and to ignore
that is to ignore the challenging realities we face.

So let's review briefly what this movie does:

The movie correctly exposes the Federal Reserve for what it is and how it works - well gee that is super and great - thanks!

The
movie says that politicians (yes EVEN Ron Paul) are not the answer -
look, I think making small gains inside the system is certainly a good
thing, but if we don't recognize that people like Ron Paul and Dennis
Kucinich, as wonderful as they are, are also there to make people like
us feel like we might have a voice and a solution inside a system so we
become paralyzed by the system waiting for the day that the system
might change is an endless excercise in stupidity.  I think the bailout
is a perfect example.... Obama and McCain are both in step with the
plan AND the Dems are about to come into big power, so DEMS largely
support the hideous Bush/Paulson plan while the GOP suddenly became
"the opposition" (partly due to wanting to be re-elected) but gosh darn
if it just wasn't enough oppostion to actually make the people's voice
matter for more than a few days.  Kucinich and Paul and many others
spoke the truth during this time, but the truth lost out to the bigger
power again.  Hmmmmmm.... 

I'm not saying we need to give up
entirely working with politicians - but to say that politicians are not
the answer is not to give up hope as Mr. Griffin suggests, on the
contrary that is what sets us free, for once we realize that the
solution lies elsewhere we can start to work to create the world we all
deserve without the false hope that a politician will arrive and save
the day  (much like most Dems believe about Obama)

And John
Perkins NEVER says that the Dictators in Latin America are good guys,
he says that 2 of them were basically decent guys partly because they
said NO to US interests and US meddling because they wanted to actually
help their own people and those 2 guys were both assassinated by the
US/CIA.  

Mr Griffin goes on to endlessly rip on the solutions
offered in the movie.   First i want to point out that the movie spends
almost an hour on the solution aspect which immediately seperates it
from most documentaries - the movie is not just bitching and exposing
like most -  but offering an in-depth alternative.

And the
alternative suggested?  To abandon a monetary based society.  WOW!  ok,
does anyone want to argue that a monetary based society has done well
for the people, plants, animals of the world?  Does anyone here not
think that the current financial system is being used to give
everything to the few and enslave the rest?

So why are the undies in a bunch over the idea of getting rid of that system?   

I
personally have no clue how a world goes about getting a system like
this in place - that is an obvious hurdle - but frankly it is the most
plausible, viable solution to the worlds problems I have ever read
about and I get that the solution is radical and all, but I think we
could all agree that our current situation calls for radical
out-of-the-box thinking.

Take a look for yourself at the ideas
offered up by "The Venus Project" and I think you will see this is not
as scary and ideological as Griffin tries to make it out to be:

http://www.thevenusproject.com/resource_eco.htm

And
I'm not really sure this needs to turn into a religious debate also....
BUT the fact that Griffin gets all huffy & puffy that Religion
plays a part in this is terribly strange.  

Someone here please
count up the # of people who have been murdered and tortured in the
name of Christianity/Catholosism and then look me straight in the eye
and tell me what a great religion it is.  Tell me that the powers that
be, who brought you 9-11, would think twice about spewing religious
nonsense in order to control the people.  My gosh! the bible has a
sure-fire built-in control mechanism they call:  HELL.  That's right
kids, believe all this or YOU ARE GOING TO HELL!!  Really?  Is that how
Jesus works?  obay his way or you are tortured for eternity?  Is that
compassion?  So an autistic child will spend his life in hell?  So a
kid who is born and raised in a muslim household is going to HELL? 
PAH-LEASE!  And have you ever notice how the book is dominated with the
belief that we are powerless - god is powerful and so we ask god to
help us and we give up our power instead of realizing that perhaps,
just maybe, we are all a part of god and therefore the power lies
within us to change ourselves and change the world.  So please take
back your own power first if you want to help take back this world.

love

Andrew
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From edward_rynearson at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 13 20:11:05 2008
From: edward_rynearson at yahoo.com (Edward Rynearson)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:11:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Radio Du Jour Update: October 13, 2008
Message-ID: <132891.4061.qm@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

  Radio Du Jour Update: October 13, 2008
   
  Monday, October 13, 2008
   
  Alex Jones talked to economist F. William Engdahl about the so-called bailout which is being staffed with former people from Goldman Sachs, one of the organizations that urged Bill Clinton and Congress to repeal the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933 which then allowed the banks to go on a rampage securitizing anything that moved leading to the still evolving global economic collapse we are now all facing. 
  http://www.radiodujour.com/people/engdahl_f_william/
   
  Friday, October 10, 2008
   
  Charolotte Iserbyt, who as former number 2 at the Department of Education under Ronald Reagan discovered that the outfit she worked for was nothing more than a brainwashing operation, is not glad to be back on the Alex Jones show reporting that no matter who wins the presidency, the plan created in the 1950's to control the US population is on course and will be fully implemented unless we interrupt it. 
  http://www.radiodujour.com/people/iserbyt_charlotte/
   
  Thursday, October 9, 2008
   
  Bev Harris, corporate fraud auditor, citizen activist and star of HBO's "Hacking Democracy" (watch below), checks in with Alex Jones and tells him how the electronic voting systems have been designed for fraud and how we the people have transferred control of our elections to government insiders and their contractors.
  http://www.radiodujour.com/people/harris_bev/
   
  Dennis Berstein talks with Cindy Sheehan about her upcoming challenge for Speaker Nancy Pelosi's house seat, how Pelosi is too busy bailing out her wall street buddies to debate her, how the Democratic and Republican parties should really be called Goldman Sachs Party A and Goldman Sachs Party B and how she will join TV star Rosanne Barr to speak about the desperate need for media reform in this country.
  http://www.radiodujour.com/people/sheehan_cindy/
   
    
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From mincam2 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 14 21:54:26 2008
From: mincam2 at yahoo.com (Chuck Minne)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:54:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Zeitgeist addendum (very dangerous!)
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WOW!!! I just watched all two hours and it blew me away. Incredible. Best documentary I have ever seen.
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Zeitgeist Addendum:
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912
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It is "dangerous" not to see, understand and heed what is said. How can anyone deny this: "My grandchildren won't be safe unless all children everywhere are safe" ?
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He defines?mean:?? During his 1992 campaign, at the end of a long day, McCain's wife, Cindy, mussed his receding hair and needled him playfully that he was "getting a little thin up there." McCain reportedly blew his top, cutting his wife down with the kind of language that had gotten him hauled into court as a high schooler: "At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you cunt." Even though the incident was witnessed by three reporters, the McCain campaign denies it took place.?. . .? In 1998, the senator told a joke about President Clinton's teenage daughter at a GOP fundraiser. "Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?" McCain asked. "Because her father is Janet Reno!". . . .? Even his friends seemed to dislike him, with one recalling him as "a mean little fucker.". . . http://www.truthout.org/100508A

--- On Mon, 10/13/08, andrew ritter <aroyboy44 at hotmail.com> wrote:

From: andrew ritter <aroyboy44 at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] Zeitgeist addendum (very dangerous!)
To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net
Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 4:36 PM




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Thanks for sending this Ragen as there's good discussion here.

I am not familiar at all with Griffin's work, but I would have to respectfully disagree with a lot of the analysis and I think both of these movies are well worth anyone's time.? To characterize a truth seeking film as "very dangerous" is what is very dangerous.? You don't have to agree with every detail in order to gain some knowledge and find some truth.? I find the alarm about this movie from people who are supposedly on the same side to be much more alarming than the movie itself.

I would also caution anyone who takes Alex Jones as the ultimate beacon of truth and correctness because while I admire and respect his work, I have read plenty of articles that turn out to be more hype than truth and this undying fervent support for Ron Paul, (while completely ignoring the amazing work of others like Cynthia McKinney) while wonderful and helpful has served as a distraction a lot of times from the fact that the system is not going to allow a Ron Paul into power no matter how much the people might want it - and to ignore that is to ignore the challenging realities we face.

So let's review briefly what this movie does:

The movie correctly exposes the Federal Reserve for what it is and how it works - well gee that is super and great - thanks!

The movie says that politicians (yes EVEN Ron Paul) are not the answer - look, I think making small gains inside the system is certainly a good thing, but if we don't recognize that people like Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich, as wonderful as they are, are also there to make people like us feel like we might have a voice and a solution inside a system so we become paralyzed by the system waiting for the day that the system might change is an endless excercise in stupidity.? I think the bailout is a perfect example.... Obama and McCain are both in step with the plan AND the Dems are about to come into big power, so DEMS largely support the hideous Bush/Paulson plan while the GOP suddenly became "the opposition" (partly due to wanting to be re-elected) but gosh darn if it just wasn't enough oppostion to actually make the people's voice matter for more than a few days.? Kucinich and Paul and many others spoke the truth during this time, but the truth lost
 out to the bigger power again.? Hmmmmmm.... 

I'm not saying we need to give up entirely working with politicians - but to say that politicians are not the answer is not to give up hope as Mr. Griffin suggests, on the contrary that is what sets us free, for once we realize that the solution lies elsewhere we can start to work to create the world we all deserve without the false hope that a politician will arrive and save the day? (much like most Dems believe about Obama)

And John Perkins NEVER says that the Dictators in Latin America are good guys, he says that 2 of them were basically decent guys partly because they said NO to US interests and US meddling because they wanted to actually help their own people and those 2 guys were both assassinated by the US/CIA.? 

Mr Griffin goes on to endlessly rip on the solutions offered in the movie. ? First i want to point out that the movie spends almost an hour on the solution aspect which immediately seperates it from most documentaries - the movie is not just bitching and exposing like most -? but offering an in-depth alternative.

And the alternative suggested?? To abandon a monetary based society.? WOW!? ok, does anyone want to argue that a monetary based society has done well for the people, plants, animals of the world?? Does anyone here not think that the current financial system is being used to give everything to the few and enslave the rest?

So why are the undies in a bunch over the idea of getting rid of that system??? 

I personally have no clue how a world goes about getting a system like this in place - that is an obvious hurdle - but frankly it is the most plausible, viable solution to the worlds problems I have ever read about and I get that the solution is radical and all, but I think we could all agree that our current situation calls for radical out-of-the-box thinking.

Take a look for yourself at the ideas offered up by "The Venus Project" and I think you will see this is not as scary and ideological as Griffin tries to make it out to be:

http://www.thevenusproject.com/resource_eco.htm

And I'm not really sure this needs to turn into a religious debate also.... BUT the fact that Griffin gets all huffy & puffy that Religion plays a part in this is terribly strange.? 

Someone here please count up the # of people who have been murdered and tortured in the name of Christianity/Catholosism and then look me straight in the eye and tell me what a great religion it is.? Tell me that the powers that be, who brought you 9-11, would think twice about spewing religious nonsense in order to control the people.? My gosh! the bible has a sure-fire built-in control mechanism they call:? HELL.? That's right kids, believe all this or YOU ARE GOING TO HELL!!? Really?? Is that how Jesus works?? obay his way or you are tortured for eternity?? Is that compassion?? So an autistic child will spend his life in hell?? So a kid who is born and raised in a muslim household is going to HELL?? PAH-LEASE!? And have you ever notice how the book is dominated with the belief that we are powerless - god is powerful and so we ask god to help us and we give up our power instead of realizing that perhaps, just maybe, we are all a part of god
 and therefore the power lies within us to change ourselves and change the world.? So please take back your own power first if you want to help take back this world.

love

Andrew


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From: rmigalla at earthlink.net (Robin Migalla)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:19:05 -0500
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Food, Farming, and Saving the Planet
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Hello All,

Attached is an excellent article that if heeded will not only address EVERY 
campaign issue, but it will also save the entire planet.  I encourage you 
to read it in its entirety.  It was published on the NY Times website at 
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/12/magazine/12policy-t.html?_r=2&oref=log  
in&pagewanted=all, but I have copied and pasted it here without permission 
to save your having to login to the NY Times website.

One of the things I wonder about is why is it that we have to address this 
to the presidential candidates?  Why aren't our local farm bureaus, cities, 
townships, and communities taking stronger steps in this direction?  Most 
of us live in the middle of farm country.  What the heck are we doing?

Cheers,
Robin


The Food Issue
Farmer in Chief

By MICHAEL POLLAN
Published: October 9, 200

Dear Mr. President-Elect,

It may surprise you to learn that among the issues that will occupy much of 
your time in the coming years is one you barely mentioned during the 
campaign: food. Food policy is not something American presidents have had 
to give much thought to, at least since the Nixon administration - the last 
time high food prices presented a serious political peril. Since then, 
federal policies to promote maximum production of the commodity crops 
(corn, soybeans, wheat and rice) from which most of our supermarket foods 
are derived have succeeded impressively in keeping prices low and food more 
or less off the national political agenda. But with a suddenness that has 
taken us all by surprise, the era of cheap and abundant food appears to be 
drawing to a close. What this means is that you, like so many other leaders 
through history, will find yourself confronting the fact - so easy to 
overlook these past few years - that the health of a nation's food system 
is a critical issue of national security. Food is about to demand your 
attention.

Complicating matters is the fact that the price and abundance of food are 
not the only problems we face; if they were, you could simply follow 
Nixon's example, appoint a latter-day Earl Butz as your secretary of 
agriculture and instruct him or her to do whatever it takes to boost 
production. But there are reasons to think that the old approach won't work 
this time around; for one thing, it depends on cheap energy that we can no 
longer count on. For another, expanding production of industrial 
agriculture today would require you to sacrifice important values on which 
you did campaign. Which brings me to the deeper reason you will need not 
simply to address food prices but to make the reform of the entire food 
system one of the highest priorities of your administration: unless you do, 
you will not be able to make significant progress on the health care 
crisis, energy independence or climate change. Unlike food, these are 
issues you did campaign on - but as you try to address them you will 
quickly discover that the way we currently grow, process and eat food in 
America goes to the heart of all three problems and will have to change if 
we hope to solve them. Let me explain.

After cars, the food system uses more fossil fuel than any other sector of 
the economy - 19 percent. And while the experts disagree about the exact 
amount, the way we feed ourselves contributes more greenhouse gases to the 
atmosphere than anything else we do - as much as 37 percent, according to 
one study. Whenever farmers clear land for crops and till the soil, large 
quantities of carbon are released into the air. But the 20th-century 
industrialization of agriculture has increased the amount of greenhouse 
gases emitted by the food system by an order of magnitude; chemical 
fertilizers (made from natural gas), pesticides (made from petroleum), farm 
machinery, modern food processing and packaging and transportation have 
together transformed a system that in 1940 produced 2.3 calories of food 
energy for every calorie of fossil-fuel energy it used into one that now 
takes 10 calories of fossil-fuel energy to produce a single calorie of 
modern supermarket food. Put another way, when we eat from the 
industrial-food system, we are eating oil and spewing greenhouse gases. 
This state of affairs appears all the more absurd when you recall that 
every calorie we eat is ultimately the product of photosynthesis - a 
process based on making food energy from sunshine. There is hope and 
possibility in that simple fact.

In addition to the problems of climate change and America's oil addiction, 
you have spoken at length on the campaign trail of the health care crisis. 
Spending on health care has risen from 5 percent of national income in 1960 
to 16 percent today, putting a significant drag on the economy. The goal of 
ensuring the health of all Americans depends on getting those costs under 
control. There are several reasons health care has gotten so expensive, but 
one of the biggest, and perhaps most tractable, is the cost to the system 
of preventable chronic diseases. Four of the top 10 killers in America 
today are chronic diseases linked to diet: heart disease, stroke, Type 2 
diabetes and cancer. It is no coincidence that in the years national 
spending on health care went from 5 percent to 16 percent of national 
income, spending on food has fallen by a comparable amount - from 18 
percent of household income to less than 10 percent. While the surfeit of 
cheap calories that the U.S. food system has produced since the late 1970s 
may have taken food prices off the political agenda, this has come at a 
steep cost to public health. You cannot expect to reform the health care 
system, much less expand coverage, without confronting the public-health 
catastrophe that is the modern American diet.

The impact of the American food system on the rest of the world will have 
implications for your foreign and trade policies as well. In the past 
several months more than 30 nations have experienced food riots, and so far 
one government has fallen. Should high grain prices persist and shortages 
develop, you can expect to see the pendulum shift decisively away from free 
trade, at least in food. Nations that opened their markets to the global 
flood of cheap grain (under pressure from previous administrations as well 
as the World Bank and the I.M.F.) lost so many farmers that they now find 
their ability to feed their own populations hinges on decisions made in 
Washington (like your predecessor's precipitous embrace of biofuels) and on 
Wall Street. They will now rush to rebuild their own agricultural sectors 
and then seek to protect them by erecting trade barriers. Expect to hear 
the phrases "food sovereignty" and "food security" on the lips of every 
foreign leader you meet. Not only the Doha round, but the whole cause of 
free trade in agriculture is probably dead, the casualty of a cheap food 
policy that a scant two years ago seemed like a boon for everyone. It is 
one of the larger paradoxes of our time that the very same food policies 
that have contributed to overnutrition in the first world are now 
contributing to undernutrition in the third. But it turns out that too much 
food can be nearly as big a problem as too little - a lesson we should keep 
in mind as we set about designing a new approach to food policy.

Rich or poor, countries struggling with soaring food prices are being 
forcibly reminded that food is a national-security issue. When a nation 
loses the ability to substantially feed itself, it is not only at the mercy 
of global commodity markets but of other governments as well. At issue is 
not only the availability of food, which may be held hostage by a hostile 
state, but its safety: as recent scandals in China demonstrate, we have 
little control over the safety of imported foods. The deliberate 
contamination of our food presents another national-security threat. At his 
valedictory press conference in 2004, Tommy Thompson, the secretary of 
health and human services, offered a chilling warning, saying, "I, for the 
life of me, cannot understand why the terrorists have not attacked our food 
supply, because it is so easy to do."

This, in brief, is the bad news: the food and agriculture policies you've 
inherited - designed to maximize production at all costs and relying on 
cheap energy to do so - are in shambles, and the need to address the 
problems they have caused is acute. The good news is that the twinned 
crises in food and energy are creating a political environment in which 
real reform of the food system may actually be possible for the first time 
in a generation. The American people are paying more attention to food 
today than they have in decades, worrying not only about its price but 
about its safety, its provenance and its healthfulness. There is a 
gathering sense among the public that the industrial-food system is broken. 
Markets for alternative kinds of food - organic, local, pasture-based, 
humane - are thriving as never before. All this suggests that a political 
constituency for change is building and not only on the left: lately, 
conservative voices have also been raised in support of reform. Writing of 
the movement back to local food economies, traditional foods (and family 
meals) and more sustainable farming, The American Conservative magazine 
editorialized last summer that "this is a conservative cause if ever there 
was one."

There are many moving parts to the new food agenda I'm urging you to adopt, 
but the core idea could not be simpler: we need to wean the American food 
system off its heavy 20th-century diet of fossil fuel and put it back on a 
diet of contemporary sunshine. True, this is easier said than done - fossil 
fuel is deeply implicated in everything about the way we currently grow 
food and feed ourselves. To put the food system back on sunlight will 
require policies to change how things work at every link in the food chain: 
in the farm field, in the way food is processed and sold and even in the 
American kitchen and at the American dinner table. Yet the sun still shines 
down on our land every day, and photosynthesis can still work its wonders 
wherever it does. If any part of the modern economy can be freed from its 
dependence on oil and successfully resolarized, surely it is food.

How We Got Here

Before setting out an agenda for reforming the food system, it's important 
to understand how that system came to be - and also to appreciate what, for 
all its many problems, it has accomplished. What our food system does well 
is precisely what it was designed to do, which is to produce cheap calories 
in great abundance. It is no small thing for an American to be able to go 
into a fast-food restaurant and to buy a double cheeseburger, fries and a 
large Coke for a price equal to less than an hour of labor at the minimum 
wage - indeed, in the long sweep of history, this represents a remarkable 
achievement.

It must be recognized that the current food system - characterized by 
monocultures of corn and soy in the field and cheap calories of fat, sugar 
and feedlot meat on the table - is not simply the product of the free 
market. Rather, it is the product of a specific set of government policies 
that sponsored a shift from solar (and human) energy on the farm to 
fossil-fuel energy.

Did you notice when you flew over Iowa during the campaign how the land was 
completely bare - black - from October to April? What you were seeing is 
the agricultural landscape created by cheap oil. In years past, except in 
the dead of winter, you would have seen in those fields a checkerboard of 
different greens: pastures and hayfields for animals, cover crops, perhaps 
a block of fruit trees. Before the application of oil and natural gas to 
agriculture, farmers relied on crop diversity (and photosynthesis) both to 
replenish their soil and to combat pests, as well as to feed themselves and 
their neighbors. Cheap energy, however, enabled the creation of 
monocultures, and monocultures in turn vastly increased the productivity 
both of the American land and the American farmer; today the typical 
corn-belt farmer is single-handedly feeding 140 people.

This did not occur by happenstance. After World War II, the government 
encouraged the conversion of the munitions industry to fertilizer - 
ammonium nitrate being the main ingredient of both bombs and chemical 
fertilizer - and the conversion of nerve-gas research to pesticides. The 
government also began subsidizing commodity crops, paying farmers by the 
bushel for all the corn, soybeans, wheat and rice they could produce. One 
secretary of agriculture after another implored them to plant "fence row to 
fence row" and to "get big or get out."

The chief result, especially after the Earl Butz years, was a flood of 
cheap grain that could be sold for substantially less than it cost farmers 
to grow because a government check helped make up the difference. As this 
artificially cheap grain worked its way up the food chain, it drove down 
the price of all the calories derived from that grain: the high-fructose 
corn syrup in the Coke, the soy oil in which the potatoes were fried, the 
meat and cheese in the burger.

Subsidized monocultures of grain also led directly to monocultures of 
animals: since factory farms could buy grain for less than it cost farmers 
to grow it, they could now fatten animals more cheaply than farmers could. 
So America's meat and dairy animals migrated from farm to feedlot, driving 
down the price of animal protein to the point where an American can enjoy 
eating, on average, 190 pounds of meat a year - a half pound every day.

But if taking the animals off farms made a certain kind of economic sense, 
it made no ecological sense whatever: their waste, formerly regarded as a 
precious source of fertility on the farm, became a pollutant - factory 
farms are now one of America's biggest sources of pollution. As Wendell 
Berry has tartly observed, to take animals off farms and put them on 
feedlots is to take an elegant solution - animals replenishing the 
fertility that crops deplete - and neatly divide it into two problems: a 
fertility problem on the farm and a pollution problem on the feedlot. The 
former problem is remedied with fossil-fuel fertilizer; the latter is 
remedied not at all.

What was once a regional food economy is now national and increasingly 
global in scope - thanks again to fossil fuel. Cheap energy - for trucking 
food as well as pumping water - is the reason New York City now gets its 
produce from California rather than from the "Garden State" next door, as 
it did before the advent of Interstate highways and national trucking 
networks. More recently, cheap energy has underwritten a globalized food 
economy in which it makes (or rather, made) economic sense to catch salmon 
in Alaska, ship it to China to be filleted and then ship the fillets back 
to California to be eaten; or one in which California and Mexico can 
profitably swap tomatoes back and forth across the border; or Denmark and 
the United States can trade sugar cookies across the Atlantic. About that 
particular swap the economist Herman Daly once quipped, "Exchanging recipes 
would surely be more efficient."

Whatever we may have liked about the era of cheap, oil-based food, it is 
drawing to a close. Even if we were willing to continue paying the 
environmental or public-health price, we're not going to have the cheap 
energy (or the water) needed to keep the system going, much less expand 
production. But as is so often the case, a crisis provides opportunity for 
reform, and the current food crisis presents opportunities that must be 
seized.

In drafting these proposals, I've adhered to a few simple principles of 
what a 21st-century food system needs to do. First, your administration's 
food policy must strive to provide a healthful diet for all our people; 
this means focusing on the quality and diversity (and not merely the 
quantity) of the calories that American agriculture produces and American 
eaters consume. Second, your policies should aim to improve the resilience, 
safety and security of our food supply. Among other things, this means 
promoting regional food economies both in America and around the world. And 
lastly, your policies need to reconceive agriculture as part of the 
solution to environmental problems like climate change.

These goals are admittedly ambitious, yet they will not be difficult to 
align or advance as long as we keep in mind this One Big Idea: most of the 
problems our food system faces today are because of its reliance on fossil 
fuels, and to the extent that our policies wring the oil out of the system 
and replace it with the energy of the sun, those policies will 
simultaneously improve the state of our health, our environment and our 
security.

I. Resolarizing the American Farm

What happens in the field influences every other link of the food chain on 
up to our meals - if we grow monocultures of corn and soy, we will find the 
products of processed corn and soy on our plates. Fortunately for your 
initiative, the federal government has enormous leverage in determining 
exactly what happens on the 830 million acres of American crop and pasture 
land.

Today most government farm and food programs are designed to prop up the 
old system of maximizing production from a handful of subsidized commodity 
crops grown in monocultures. Even food-assistance programs like WIC and 
school lunch focus on maximizing quantity rather than quality, typically 
specifying a minimum number of calories (rather than maximums) and seldom 
paying more than lip service to nutritional quality. This focus on quantity 
may have made sense in a time of food scarcity, but today it gives us a 
school-lunch program that feeds chicken nuggets and Tater Tots to 
overweight and diabetic children.

Your challenge is to take control of this vast federal machinery and use it 
to drive a transition to a new solar-food economy, starting on the farm. 
Right now, the government actively discourages the farmers it subsidizes 
from growing healthful, fresh food: farmers receiving crop subsidies are 
prohibited from growing "specialty crops" - farm-bill speak for fruits and 
vegetables. (This rule was the price exacted by California and Florida 
produce growers in exchange for going along with subsidies for commodity 
crops.) Commodity farmers should instead be encouraged to grow as many 
different crops - including animals - as possible. Why? Because the greater 
the diversity of crops on a farm, the less the need for both fertilizers 
and pesticides.

The power of cleverly designed polycultures to produce large amounts of 
food from little more than soil, water and sunlight has been proved, not 
only by small-scale "alternative" farmers in the United States but also by 
large rice-and-fish farmers in China and giant-scale operations (up to 
15,000 acres) in places like Argentina. There, in a geography roughly 
comparable to that of the American farm belt, farmers have traditionally 
employed an ingenious eight-year rotation of perennial pasture and annual 
crops: after five years grazing cattle on pasture (and producing the 
world's best beef), farmers can then grow three years of grain without 
applying any fossil-fuel fertilizer. Or, for that matter, many pesticides: 
the weeds that afflict pasture can't survive the years of tillage, and the 
weeds of row crops don't survive the years of grazing, making herbicides 
all but unnecessary. There is no reason - save current policy and custom - 
that American farmers couldn't grow both high-quality grain and grass-fed 
beef under such a regime through much of the Midwest. (It should be noted 
that today's sky-high grain prices are causing many Argentine farmers to 
abandon their rotation to grow grain and soybeans exclusively, an 
environmental disaster in the making.)

Federal policies could do much to encourage this sort of diversified sun 
farming. Begin with the subsidies: payment levels should reflect the number 
of different crops farmers grow or the number of days of the year their 
fields are green - that is, taking advantage of photosynthesis, whether to 
grow food, replenish the soil or control erosion. If Midwestern farmers 
simply planted a cover crop after the fall harvest, they would 
significantly reduce their need for fertilizer, while cutting down on soil 
erosion. Why don't farmers do this routinely? Because in recent years 
fossil-fuel-based fertility has been so much cheaper and easier to use than 
sun-based fertility.

In addition to rewarding farmers for planting cover crops, we should make 
it easier for them to apply compost to their fields - a practice that 
improves not only the fertility of the soil but also its ability to hold 
water and therefore withstand drought. (There is mounting evidence that it 
also boosts the nutritional quality of the food grown in it.) The U.S.D.A. 
estimates that Americans throw out 14 percent of the food they buy; much 
more is wasted by retailers, wholesalers and institutions. A program to 
make municipal composting of food and yard waste mandatory and then 
distributing the compost free to area farmers would shrink America's 
garbage heap, cut the need for irrigation and fossil-fuel fertilizers in 
agriculture and improve the nutritional quality of the American diet.

Right now, most of the conservation programs run by the U.S.D.A. are 
designed on the zero-sum principle: land is either locked up in 
"conservation" or it is farmed intensively. This either-or approach 
reflects an outdated belief that modern farming and ranching are inherently 
destructive, so that the best thing for the environment is to leave land 
untouched. But we now know how to grow crops and graze animals in systems 
that will support biodiversity, soil health, clean water and carbon 
sequestration. The Conservation Stewardship Program, championed by Senator 
Tom Harkin and included in the 2008 Farm Bill, takes an important step 
toward rewarding these kinds of practices, but we need to move this 
approach from the periphery of our farm policy to the very center. Longer 
term, the government should back ambitious research now under way (at the 
Land Institute in Kansas and a handful of other places) to "perennialize" 
commodity agriculture: to breed varieties of wheat, rice and other staple 
grains that can be grown like prairie grasses - without having to till the 
soil every year. These perennial grains hold the promise of slashing the 
fossil fuel now needed to fertilize and till the soil, while protecting 
farmland from erosion and sequestering significant amounts of carbon.

But that is probably a 50-year project. For today's agriculture to wean 
itself from fossil fuel and make optimal use of sunlight, crop plants and 
animals must once again be married on the farm - as in Wendell Berry's 
elegant "solution." Sunlight nourishes the grasses and grains, the plants 
nourish the animals, the animals then nourish the soil, which in turn 
nourishes the next season's grasses and grains. Animals on pasture can also 
harvest their own feed and dispose of their own waste - all without our 
help or fossil fuel.

If this system is so sensible, you might ask, why did it succumb to 
Confined Animal Feeding Operations, or CAFOs? In fact there is nothing 
inherently efficient or economical about raising vast cities of animals in 
confinement. Three struts, each put into place by federal policy, support 
the modern CAFO, and the most important of these - the ability to buy grain 
for less than it costs to grow it - has just been kicked away. The second 
strut is F.D.A. approval for the routine use of antibiotics in feed, 
without which the animals in these places could not survive their crowded, 
filthy and miserable existence. And the third is that the government does 
not require CAFOs to treat their wastes as it would require human cities of 
comparable size to do. The F.D.A. should ban the routine use of antibiotics 
in livestock feed on public-health grounds, now that we have evidence that 
the practice is leading to the evolution of drug-resistant bacterial 
diseases and to outbreaks of E. coli and salmonella poisoning. CAFOs should 
also be regulated like the factories they are, required to clean up their 
waste like any other industry or municipality.

It will be argued that moving animals off feedlots and back onto farms will 
raise the price of meat. It probably will - as it should. You will need to 
make the case that paying the real cost of meat, and therefore eating less 
of it, is a good thing for our health, for the environment, for our 
dwindling reserves of fresh water and for the welfare of the animals. Meat 
and milk production represent the food industry's greatest burden on the 
environment; a recent U.N. study estimated that the world's livestock alone 
account for 18 percent of all greenhouse gases, more than all forms of 
transportation combined. (According to one study, a pound of feedlot beef 
also takes 5,000 gallons of water to produce.) And while animals living on 
farms will still emit their share of greenhouse gases, grazing them on 
grass and returning their waste to the soil will substantially offset their 
carbon hoof prints, as will getting ruminant animals off grain. A bushel of 
grain takes approximately a half gallon of oil to produce; grass can be 
grown with little more than sunshine.

It will be argued that sun-food agriculture will generally yield less food 
than fossil-fuel agriculture. This is debatable. The key question you must 
be prepared to answer is simply this: Can the sort of sustainable 
agriculture you're proposing feed the world?

There are a couple of ways to answer this question. The simplest and most 
honest answer is that we don't know, because we haven't tried. But in the 
same way we now need to learn how to run an industrial economy without 
cheap fossil fuel, we have no choice but to find out whether sustainable 
agriculture can produce enough food. The fact is, during the past century, 
our agricultural research has been directed toward the goal of maximizing 
production with the help of fossil fuel. There is no reason to think that 
bringing the same sort of resources to the development of more complex, 
sun-based agricultural systems wouldn't produce comparable yields. Today's 
organic farmers, operating for the most part without benefit of public 
investment in research, routinely achieve 80 to 100 percent of conventional 
yields in grain and, in drought years, frequently exceed conventional 
yields. (This is because organic soils better retain moisture.) Assuming no 
further improvement, could the world - with a population expected to peak 
at 10 billion - survive on these yields?

First, bear in mind that the average yield of world agriculture today is 
substantially lower than that of modern sustainable farming. According to a 
recent University of Michigan study, merely bringing international yields 
up to today's organic levels could increase the world's food supply by 50 
percent.

The second point to bear in mind is that yield isn't everything - and 
growing high-yield commodities is not quite the same thing as growing food. 
Much of what we're growing today is not directly eaten as food but 
processed into low-quality calories of fat and sugar. As the world epidemic 
of diet-related chronic disease has demonstrated, the sheer quantity of 
calories that a food system produces improves health only up to a point, 
but after that, quality and diversity are probably more important. We can 
expect that a food system that produces somewhat less food but of a higher 
quality will produce healthier populations.

The final point to consider is that 40 percent of the world's grain output 
today is fed to animals; 11 percent of the world's corn and soybean crop is 
fed to cars and trucks, in the form of biofuels. Provided the developed 
world can cut its consumption of grain-based animal protein and ethanol, 
there should be plenty of food for everyone - however we choose to grow it.

In fact, well-designed polyculture systems, incorporating not just grains 
but vegetables and animals, can produce more food per acre than 
conventional monocultures, and food of a much higher nutritional value. But 
this kind of farming is complicated and needs many more hands on the land 
to make it work. Farming without fossil fuels - performing complex 
rotations of plants and animals and managing pests without petrochemicals - 
is labor intensive and takes more skill than merely "driving and spraying," 
which is how corn-belt farmers describe what they do for a living.

To grow sufficient amounts of food using sunlight will require more people 
growing food - millions more. This suggests that sustainable agriculture 
will be easier to implement in the developing world, where large rural 
populations remain, than in the West, where they don't. But what about here 
in America, where we have only about two million farmers left to feed a 
population of 300 million? And where farmland is being lost to development 
at the rate of 2,880 acres a day? Post-oil agriculture will need a lot more 
people engaged in food production - as farmers and probably also as 
gardeners.

The sun-food agenda must include programs to train a new generation of 
farmers and then help put them on the land. The average American farmer 
today is 55 years old; we shouldn't expect these farmers to embrace the 
sort of complex ecological approach to agriculture that is called for. Our 
focus should be on teaching ecological farming systems to students entering 
land-grant colleges today. For decades now, it has been federal policy to 
shrink the number of farmers in America by promoting capital-intensive 
monoculture and consolidation. As a society, we devalued farming as an 
occupation and encouraged the best students to leave the farm for "better" 
jobs in the city. We emptied America's rural counties in order to supply 
workers to urban factories. To put it bluntly, we now need to reverse 
course. We need more highly skilled small farmers in more places all across 
America - not as a matter of nostalgia for the agrarian past but as a 
matter of national security. For nations that lose the ability to 
substantially feed themselves will find themselves as gravely compromised 
in their international dealings as nations that depend on foreign sources 
of oil presently do. But while there are alternatives to oil, there are no 
alternatives to food.

National security also argues for preserving every acre of farmland we can 
and then making it available to new farmers. We simply will not be able to 
depend on distant sources of food, and therefore need to preserve every 
acre of good farmland within a day's drive of our cities. In the same way 
that when we came to recognize the supreme ecological value of wetlands we 
erected high bars to their development, we need to recognize the value of 
farmland to our national security and require real-estate developers to do 
"food-system impact statements" before development begins. We should also 
create tax and zoning incentives for developers to incorporate farmland (as 
they now do "open space") in their subdivision plans; all those 
subdivisions now ringing golf courses could someday have diversified farms 
at their center.

The revival of farming in America, which of course draws on the abiding 
cultural power of our agrarian heritage, will pay many political and 
economic dividends. It will lead to robust economic renewal in the 
countryside. And it will generate tens of millions of new "green jobs," 
which is precisely how we need to begin thinking of skilled solar farming: 
as a vital sector of the 21st-century post-fossil-fuel economy.

II. Reregionalizing the Food System

For your sun-food agenda to succeed, it will have to do a lot more than 
alter what happens on the farm. The government could help seed a thousand 
new polyculture farmers in every county in Iowa, but they would promptly 
fail if the grain elevator remained the only buyer in town and corn and 
beans were the only crops it would take. Resolarizing the food system means 
building the infrastructure for a regional food economy - one that can 
support diversified farming and, by shortening the food chain, reduce the 
amount of fossil fuel in the American diet.

A decentralized food system offers a great many other benefits as well. 
Food eaten closer to where it is grown will be fresher and require less 
processing, making it more nutritious. Whatever may be lost in efficiency 
by localizing food production is gained in resilience: regional food 
systems can better withstand all kinds of shocks. When a single factory is 
grinding 20 million hamburger patties in a week or washing 25 million 
servings of salad, a single terrorist armed with a canister of toxins can, 
at a stroke, poison millions. Such a system is equally susceptible to 
accidental contamination: the bigger and more global the trade in food, the 
more vulnerable the system is to catastrophe. The best way to protect our 
food system against such threats is obvious: decentralize it.

Today in America there is soaring demand for local and regional food; 
farmers' markets, of which the U.S.D.A. estimates there are now 4,700, have 
become one of the fastest-growing segments of the food market. 
Community-supported agriculture is booming as well: there are now nearly 
1,500 community-supported farms, to which consumers pay an annual fee in 
exchange for a weekly box of produce through the season. The local-food 
movement will continue to grow with no help from the government, especially 
as high fuel prices make distant and out-of-season food, as well as feedlot 
meat, more expensive. Yet there are several steps the government can take 
to nurture this market and make local foods more affordable. Here are a 
few:

Four-Season Farmers' Markets. Provide grants to towns and cities to build 
year-round indoor farmers' markets, on the model of Pike Place in Seattle 
or the Reading Terminal Market in Philadelphia. To supply these markets, 
the U.S.D.A. should make grants to rebuild local distribution networks in 
order to minimize the amount of energy used to move produce within local 
food sheds.

Agricultural Enterprise Zones. Today the revival of local food economies is 
being hobbled by a tangle of regulations originally designed to check 
abuses by the very largest food producers. Farmers should be able to smoke 
a ham and sell it to their neighbors without making a huge investment in 
federally approved facilities. Food-safety regulations must be made 
sensitive to scale and marketplace, so that a small producer selling direct 
off the farm or at a farmers' market is not regulated as onerously as a 
multinational food manufacturer. This is not because local food won't ever 
have food-safety problems - it will - only that its problems will be less 
catastrophic and easier to manage because local food is inherently more 
traceable and accountable.

Local Meat-Inspection Corps. Perhaps the single greatest impediment to the 
return of livestock to the land and the revival of local, grass-based meat 
production is the disappearance of regional slaughter facilities. The big 
meat processors have been buying up local abattoirs only to close them down 
as they consolidate, and the U.S.D.A. does little to support the ones that 
remain. From the department's perspective, it is a better use of shrinking 
resources to dispatch its inspectors to a plant slaughtering 400 head an 
hour than to a regional abattoir slaughtering a dozen. The U.S.D.A. should 
establish a Local Meat-Inspectors Corps to serve these processors. 
Expanding on its successful pilot program on Lopez Island in Puget Sound, 
the U.S.D.A. should also introduce a fleet of mobile abattoirs that would 
go from farm to farm, processing animals humanely and inexpensively. 
Nothing would do more to make regional, grass-fed meat fully competitive in 
the market with feedlot meat.

Establish a Strategic Grain Reserve. In the same way the shift to 
alternative energy depends on keeping oil prices relatively stable, the 
sun-food agenda - as well as the food security of billions of people around 
the world - will benefit from government action to prevent huge swings in 
commodity prices. A strategic grain reserve, modeled on the Strategic 
Petroleum Reserve, would help achieve this objective and at the same time 
provide some cushion for world food stocks, which today stand at perilously 
low levels. Governments should buy and store grain when it is cheap and 
sell when it is dear, thereby moderating price swings in both directions 
and discouraging speculation.

Regionalize Federal Food Procurement. In the same way that federal 
procurement is often used to advance important social goals (like promoting 
minority-owned businesses), we should require that some minimum percentage 
of government food purchases - whether for school-lunch programs, military 
bases or federal prisons - go to producers located within 100 miles of 
institutions buying the food. We should create incentives for hospitals and 
universities receiving federal funds to buy fresh local produce. To channel 
even a small portion of institutional food purchasing to local food would 
vastly expand regional agriculture and improve the diet of the millions of 
people these institutions feed.

Create a Federal Definition of "Food." It makes no sense for government 
food-assistance dollars, intended to improve the nutritional health of 
at-risk Americans, to support the consumption of products we know to be 
unhealthful. Yes, some people will object that for the government to 
specify what food stamps can and cannot buy smacks of paternalism. Yet we 
already prohibit the purchase of tobacco and alcohol with food stamps. So 
why not prohibit something like soda, which is arguably less nutritious 
than red wine? Because it is, nominally, a food, albeit a "junk food." We 
need to stop flattering nutritionally worthless foodlike substances by 
calling them "junk food" - and instead make clear that such products are 
not in fact food of any kind. Defining what constitutes real food worthy of 
federal support will no doubt be controversial (you'll recall President 
Reagan's ketchup imbroglio), but defining food upward may be more 
politically palatable than defining it down, as Reagan sought to do. One 
approach would be to rule that, in order to be regarded as a food by the 
government, an edible substance must contain a certain minimum ratio of 
micronutrients per calorie of energy. At a stroke, such a definition would 
improve the quality of school lunch and discourage sales of unhealthful 
products, since typically only "food" is exempt from local sales tax.

A few other ideas: Food-stamp debit cards should double in value whenever 
swiped at a farmers' markets - all of which, by the way, need to be 
equipped with the Electronic Benefit Transfer card readers that 
supermarkets already have. We should expand the WIC program that gives 
farmers'-market vouchers to low-income women with children; such programs 
help attract farmers' markets to urban neighborhoods where access to fresh 
produce is often nonexistent. (We should also offer tax incentives to 
grocery chains willing to build supermarkets in underserved neighborhoods.) 
Federal food assistance for the elderly should build on a successful 
program pioneered by the state of Maine that buys low-income seniors a 
membership in a community-supported farm. All these initiatives have the 
virtue of advancing two objectives at once: supporting the health of 
at-risk Americans and the revival of local food economies.

III. Rebuilding America's Food Culture

In the end, shifting the American diet from a foundation of imported fossil 
fuel to local sunshine will require changes in our daily lives, which by 
now are deeply implicated in the economy and culture of fast, cheap and 
easy food. Making available more healthful and more sustainable food does 
not guarantee it will be eaten, much less appreciated or enjoyed. We need 
to use all the tools at our disposal - not just federal policy and public 
education but the president's bully pulpit and the example of the first 
family's own dinner table - to promote a new culture of food that can 
undergird your sun-food agenda.

Changing the food culture must begin with our children, and it must begin 
in the schools. Nearly a half-century ago, President Kennedy announced a 
national initiative to improve the physical fitness of American children. 
He did it by elevating the importance of physical education, pressing 
states to make it a requirement in public schools. We need to bring the 
same commitment to "edible education" - in Alice Waters's phrase - by 
making lunch, in all its dimensions, a mandatory part of the curriculum. On 
the premise that eating well is a critically important life skill, we need 
to teach all primary-school students the basics of growing and cooking food 
and then enjoying it at shared meals.

To change our children's food culture, we'll need to plant gardens in every 
primary school, build fully equipped kitchens, train a new generation of 
lunchroom ladies (and gentlemen) who can once again cook and teach cooking 
to children. We should introduce a School Lunch Corps program that forgives 
federal student loans to culinary-school graduates in exchange for two 
years of service in the public-school lunch program. And we should 
immediately increase school-lunch spending per pupil by $1 a day - the 
minimum amount food-service experts believe it will take to underwrite a 
shift from fast food in the cafeteria to real food freshly prepared.

But it is not only our children who stand to benefit from public education 
about food. Today most federal messages about food, from nutrition labeling 
to the food pyramid, are negotiated with the food industry. The surgeon 
general should take over from the Department of Agriculture the job of 
communicating with Americans about their diet. That way we might begin to 
construct a less equivocal and more effective public-health message about 
nutrition. Indeed, there is no reason that public-health campaigns about 
the dangers of obesity and Type 2 diabetes shouldn't be as tough and as 
effective as public-health campaigns about the dangers of smoking. The 
Centers for Disease Control estimates that one in three American children 
born in 2000 will develop Type 2 diabetes. The public needs to know and see 
precisely what that sentence means: blindness; amputation; early death. All 
of which can be avoided by a change in diet and lifestyle. A public-health 
crisis of this magnitude calls for a blunt public-health message, even at 
the expense of offending the food industry. Judging by the success of 
recent antismoking campaigns, the savings to the health care system could 
be substantial.

There are other kinds of information about food that the government can 
supply or demand. In general we should push for as much transparency in the 
food system as possible - the other sense in which "sunlight" should be the 
watchword of our agenda. The F.D.A. should require that every packaged-food 
product include a second calorie count, indicating how many calories of 
fossil fuel went into its production. Oil is one of the most important 
ingredients in our food, and people ought to know just how much of it 
they're eating. The government should also throw its support behind putting 
a second bar code on all food products that, when scanned either in the 
store or at home (or with a cellphone), brings up on a screen the whole 
story and pictures of how that product was produced: in the case of crops, 
images of the farm and lists of agrochemicals used in its production; in 
the case of meat and dairy, descriptions of the animals' diet and drug 
regimen, as well as live video feeds of the CAFO where they live and, yes, 
the slaughterhouse where they die. The very length and complexity of the 
modern food chain breeds a culture of ignorance and indifference among 
eaters. Shortening the food chain is one way to create more conscious 
consumers, but deploying technology to pierce the veil is another.

Finally, there is the power of the example you set in the White House. If 
what's needed is a change of culture in America's thinking about food, then 
how America's first household organizes its eating will set the national 
tone, focusing the light of public attention on the issue and communicating 
a simple set of values that can guide Americans toward sun-based foods and 
away from eating oil.

The choice of White House chef is always closely watched, and you would be 
wise to appoint a figure who is identified with the food movement and 
committed to cooking simply from fresh local ingredients. Besides feeding 
you and your family exceptionally well, such a chef would demonstrate how 
it is possible even in Washington to eat locally for much of the year, and 
that good food needn't be fussy or complicated but does depend on good 
farming. You should make a point of the fact that every night you're in 
town, you join your family for dinner in the Executive Residence - at a 
table. (Surely you remember the Reagans' TV trays.) And you should also let 
it be known that the White House observes one meatless day a week - a step 
that, if all Americans followed suit, would be the equivalent, in carbon 
saved, of taking 20 million midsize sedans off the road for a year. Let the 
White House chef post daily menus on the Web, listing the farmers who 
supplied the food, as well as recipes.

Since enhancing the prestige of farming as an occupation is critical to 
developing the sun-based regional agriculture we need, the White House 
should appoint, in addition to a White House chef, a White House farmer. 
This new post would be charged with implementing what could turn out to be 
your most symbolically resonant step in building a new American food 
culture. And that is this: tear out five prime south-facing acres of the 
White House lawn and plant in their place an organic fruit and vegetable 
garden.

When Eleanor Roosevelt did something similar in 1943, she helped start a 
Victory Garden movement that ended up making a substantial contribution to 
feeding the nation in wartime. (Less well known is the fact that Roosevelt 
planted this garden over the objections of the U.S.D.A., which feared home 
gardening would hurt the American food industry.) By the end of the war, 
more than 20 million home gardens were supplying 40 percent of the produce 
consumed in America. The president should throw his support behind a new 
Victory Garden movement, this one seeking "victory" over three critical 
challenges we face today: high food prices, poor diets and a sedentary 
population. Eating from this, the shortest food chain of all, offers anyone 
with a patch of land a way to reduce their fossil-fuel consumption and help 
fight climate change. (We should offer grants to cities to build allotment 
gardens for people without access to land.) Just as important, Victory 
Gardens offer a way to enlist Americans, in body as well as mind, in the 
work of feeding themselves and changing the food system - something more 
ennobling, surely, than merely asking them to shop a little differently.

I don't need to tell you that ripping out even a section of the White House 
lawn will be controversial: Americans love their lawns, and the South Lawn 
is one of the most beautiful in the country. But imagine all the energy, 
water and petrochemicals it takes to make it that way. (Even for the 
purposes of this memo, the White House would not disclose its lawn-care 
regimen.) Yet as deeply as Americans feel about their lawns, the agrarian 
ideal runs deeper still, and making this particular plot of American land 
productive, especially if the First Family gets out there and pulls weeds 
now and again, will provide an image even more stirring than that of a 
pretty lawn: the image of stewardship of the land, of self-reliance and of 
making the most of local sunlight to feed one's family and community. The 
fact that surplus produce from the South Lawn Victory Garden (and there 
will be literally tons of it) will be offered to regional food banks will 
make its own eloquent statement.

You're probably thinking that growing and eating organic food in the White 
House carries a certain political risk. It is true you might want to plant 
iceberg lettuce rather than arugula, at least to start. (Or simply call 
arugula by its proper American name, as generations of Midwesterners have 
done: "rocket.") But it should not be difficult to deflect the charge of 
elitism sometimes leveled at the sustainable-food movement. Reforming the 
food system is not inherently a right-or-left issue: for every Whole Foods 
shopper with roots in the counterculture you can find a family of 
evangelicals intent on taking control of its family dinner and diet back 
from the fast-food industry - the culinary equivalent of home schooling. 
You should support hunting as a particularly sustainable way to eat meat - 
meat grown without any fossil fuels whatsoever. There is also a strong 
libertarian component to the sun-food agenda, which seeks to free small 
producers from the burden of government regulation in order to stoke rural 
innovation. And what is a higher "family value," after all, than making 
time to sit down every night to a shared meal?

Our agenda puts the interests of America's farmers, families and 
communities ahead of the fast-food industry's. For that industry and its 
apologists to imply that it is somehow more "populist" or egalitarian to 
hand our food dollars to Burger King or General Mills than to support a 
struggling local farmer is absurd. Yes, sun food costs more, but the 
reasons why it does only undercut the charge of elitism: cheap food is only 
cheap because of government handouts and regulatory indulgence (both of 
which we will end), not to mention the exploitation of workers, animals and 
the environment on which its putative "economies" depend. Cheap food is 
food dishonestly priced - it is in fact unconscionably expensive.

Your sun-food agenda promises to win support across the aisle. It builds on 
America's agrarian past, but turns it toward a more sustainable, 
sophisticated future. It honors the work of American farmers and enlists 
them in three of the 21st century's most urgent errands: to move into the 
post-oil era, to improve the health of the American people and to mitigate 
climate change. Indeed, it enlists all of us in this great cause by turning 
food consumers into part-time producers, reconnecting the American people 
with the American land and demonstrating that we need not choose between 
the welfare of our families and the health of the environment - that eating 
less oil and more sunlight will redound to the benefit of both.

Michael Pollan, a contributing writer for the magazine, is the Knight 
Professor of Journalism at the University of California, Berkeley. He is 
the author, most recently, of "In Defense of Food: An Eater's Manifesto."

From geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com  Fri Oct 17 12:51:54 2008
From: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com (Geri Perry)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:51:54 -0500
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Zeitgeist addendum (very dangerous!)
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Excellent observations and analysis from Andrew, with one reservation 
and that is about monetary based societies, and possible solutions.

My point here: Except for VERY brief periods, the "civilized nations" 
have operated under a fractional reserve, debt-based monetary system for 
1000's of years. Those in control used this system against the masses 
and relied on war as a major profit center. Read the Preface to Part 3 
of my book for insight from Smedely Butler and others: 
http://www.thetwofacesofmoney.com/index.php/Site/PrefaceToPartIII

The solution: issue debt free Treasury Notes, the way Lincoln did, as 
described by the makers of The Money Masters and others, see this page: 
http://www.thetwofacesofmoney.com/index.php/Site/MonetaryReformProposals

NOW --- My own two cents per Griffin's incorrect analysis on money creation:

RE Griffin's point #1, QUOTE: The information about the Federal Reserve 
is, for the most part, is right on target. However, I practically fell 
out of my chair when the program repeated that old, silly argument about 
the Fed not creating enough money to cover the cost of interest on debt; 
and, therefore, the world must forever be in debt.

MY RESPONSE: Fractional Reserve (along with incomplete facts on Colonial 
Scrip and Greenbacks and inflation) is where Griffin's book begins to 
fall apart and helps promote the misleading assumption that the dollar 
is devalued by inflation caused by "too much fiat money being printed". 
Contrary to Griffin's assertion dollar devaluation actually IS occurring 
because of the cumulative effects of unpayable interest. I am working on 
a 7 part series of articles on derivatives, and here is what I say about 
the money supply and debt in part 4 which I hope clarifies things a bit, 
because a glance at the money supply vs debt should speak for itself:

<SNIP> Despite the current and substantial contraction taking place in 
the M3 money supply, the fact is that over the long term ? and 
especially since the 1980's - the U.S. money supply has increased 
dramatically, going from less than $2 trillion in 1980 to an estimated 
$14 trillion in 2008. Significantly, in 1980 total public and private 
debt totaled roughly $5 trillion, with about $1 trillion of that 
representing public debt. Today public and private debt totals roughly 
$50 trillion, with over $10 trillion of that representing public debt.

What these figures clearly show is that total debt has been outstripping 
the money supply for many decades due to the cumulative effects of 
unpayable interest. This fact alone makes it ever more difficult to deny 
- among all but the most hardened apologists - that the entire money 
creation system is, as Dick Distelhorst of the American Monetary 
Institute wrote in a recent newsletter, ?an oxymoron - 'the more money 
we have, the deeper in debt we are.' This is ridiculous on its face, and 
yet we continue to accept it.?<END SNIP>

Griffin's point #2, QUOTE: The next jolt came when the program praised 
Civil War Greenbacks, calling them debt-free. Actually, Greenbacks were 
contrary to the U.S. Constitution and, although they were not fiat money 
issued by the banks, they were fiat money issued by the government. That 
was better than paying interest on nothing to bankers, but they still 
wiped out the purchasing power of American money through massive 
inflation. They can not correctly be called debt-free, either, because 
they represented debt on the shoulders of the government, which means, 
of course, on the shoulders of the taxpayers. It never ceases to amaze 
me how people think that the solution to money created out of nothing by 
those big, bad bankers is to have money created out of nothing by those 
nice, trustworthy politicians. Yet, that is what this program supports.

MY RESPONSE:

**FIRST, the Civil War Greenbacks - especially those issued BEFORE the 
financiers attached the Exception Clause in Feb 1862 WERE NOT CREATED 
OUT OF DEBT, as nearly all "money" (actually bank notes serving as 
money) had been up to that time. Instead the government issued Treasury 
Notes, unemcumbered by interest charges.

*** SECOND: The Greenbacks were NOT unconstitutional!! READ the 
Constitution! Part of the problem here comes with original vs 
evolutionary interpretation of the Constitution, so read this: 
http://www.umt.edu/law/faculty/natelson/articles/Coinage%20Clause.pdf

***THIRD: The Greenbacks did NOT cause massive inflation; READ chapter 
16 of my book for a brief explanation.

****FOURTH, Greenbacks can be called debt free (particularly before the 
Exception Clause watered them down and provided a profit center, yet 
again, for financiers) and they did NOT represent debt on the shoulders 
of the government, they represented a "medium of exchange", see 
explanation below.

***Fifth: What John Perkins failed to realize is that the "ECONOMIC HIT 
MEN" have operated inside the US since its inception.

Now, hopefully clearing up misconceptions about money and its true function:

FIRST, money is a medium of exchange - nothing more nothing less. An 
item becomes money when involved parties decide to accept the medium. So 
in the past everything from beads and shells to wheat and cattle to iron 
and gold to paper - and even, as in FRNs, "promises to pay" - have been 
used as money. Today about 1900 communities world wide are partially 
operating with a version of "hour dollars." So time is money in these 
communities.

SECOND, fiat money is something that is authorized or sanctioned (by the 
state) to be money. Thus, cow dung could be money if the state declared 
it to be.

THIRD: A monetary system is a method of keeping track of the flow in and 
out of the system of the chosen medium of exchange. Our monetary 
authority is the Federal Reserve System, which in turn is coordinated - 
along with central banks around the world by the BIS. Constitutionally 
the Congress is charged with the responsibility and authority to act as 
the monetary authority through the phrase "The Congress shall have the 
Power . . . To coin - as in create - money and regulate the value 
thereof, and of foreign coin." Conversely, the states are limited by the 
Constitution in terms of what they can use as money by the phrase "No 
state shall MAKE any Thing but gold and silver Coin a tender in Payments 
of debts." Thus the states are and always have been free to use any 
money the Congress creates, although they can if they like MAKE gold or 
silver coin as money (not a good thing when you realize that precious 
metals are controlled by the globalists. See my website for lots of 
documentation on all of this)


gerip


andrew ritter wrote:
> Thanks for sending this Ragen as there's good discussion here.
>
> I am not familiar at all with Griffin's work, but I would have to 
> respectfully disagree with a lot of the analysis and I think both of 
> these movies are well worth anyone's time. To characterize a truth 
> seeking film as "very dangerous" is what is very dangerous. You don't 
> have to agree with every detail in order to gain some knowledge and 
> find some truth. I find the alarm about this movie from people who are 
> supposedly on the same side to be much more alarming than the movie 
> itself.
>
> I would also caution anyone who takes Alex Jones as the ultimate 
> beacon of truth and correctness because while I admire and respect his 
> work, I have read plenty of articles that turn out to be more hype 
> than truth and this undying fervent support for Ron Paul, (while 
> completely ignoring the amazing work of others like Cynthia McKinney) 
> while wonderful and helpful has served as a distraction a lot of times 
> from the fact that the system is not going to allow a Ron Paul into 
> power no matter how much the people might want it - and to ignore that 
> is to ignore the challenging realities we face.
>
> So let's review briefly what this movie does:
>
> The movie correctly exposes the Federal Reserve for what it is and how 
> it works - well gee that is super and great - thanks!
>
> The movie says that politicians (yes EVEN Ron Paul) are not the answer 
> - look, I think making small gains inside the system is certainly a 
> good thing, but if we don't recognize that people like Ron Paul and 
> Dennis Kucinich, as wonderful as they are, are also there to make 
> people like us feel like we might have a voice and a solution inside a 
> system so we become paralyzed by the system waiting for the day that 
> the system might change is an endless excercise in stupidity. I think 
> the bailout is a perfect example.... Obama and McCain are both in step 
> with the plan AND the Dems are about to come into big power, so DEMS 
> largely support the hideous Bush/Paulson plan while the GOP suddenly 
> became "the opposition" (partly due to wanting to be re-elected) but 
> gosh darn if it just wasn't enough oppostion to actually make the 
> people's voice matter for more than a few days. Kucinich and Paul and 
> many others spoke the truth during this time, but the truth lost out 
> to the bigger power again. Hmmmmmm....
>
> I'm not saying we need to give up entirely working with politicians - 
> but to say that politicians are not the answer is not to give up hope 
> as Mr. Griffin suggests, on the contrary that is what sets us free, 
> for once we realize that the solution lies elsewhere we can start to 
> work to create the world we all deserve without the false hope that a 
> politician will arrive and save the day (much like most Dems believe 
> about Obama)
>
> And John Perkins NEVER says that the Dictators in Latin America are 
> good guys, he says that 2 of them were basically decent guys partly 
> because they said NO to US interests and US meddling because they 
> wanted to actually help their own people and those 2 guys were both 
> assassinated by the US/CIA.
>
> Mr Griffin goes on to endlessly rip on the solutions offered in the 
> movie. First i want to point out that the movie spends almost an hour 
> on the solution aspect which immediately seperates it from most 
> documentaries - the movie is not just bitching and exposing like most 
> - but offering an in-depth alternative.
>
> And the alternative suggested? To abandon a monetary based society. 
> WOW! ok, does anyone want to argue that a monetary based society has 
> done well for the people, plants, animals of the world? Does anyone 
> here not think that the current financial system is being used to give 
> everything to the few and enslave the rest?
>
> So why are the undies in a bunch over the idea of getting rid of that 
> system?
>
> I personally have no clue how a world goes about getting a system like 
> this in place - that is an obvious hurdle - but frankly it is the most 
> plausible, viable solution to the worlds problems I have ever read 
> about and I get that the solution is radical and all, but I think we 
> could all agree that our current situation calls for radical 
> out-of-the-box thinking.
>
> Take a look for yourself at the ideas offered up by "The Venus 
> Project" and I think you will see this is not as scary and ideological 
> as Griffin tries to make it out to be:
>
> http://www.thevenusproject.com/resource_eco.htm
>
> And I'm not really sure this needs to turn into a religious debate 
> also.... BUT the fact that Griffin gets all huffy & puffy that 
> Religion plays a part in this is terribly strange.
>
> Someone here please count up the # of people who have been murdered 
> and tortured in the name of Christianity/Catholosism and then look me 
> straight in the eye and tell me what a great religion it is. Tell me 
> that the powers that be, who brought you 9-11, would think twice about 
> spewing religious nonsense in order to control the people. My gosh! 
> the bible has a sure-fire built-in control mechanism they call: HELL. 
> That's right kids, believe all this or YOU ARE GOING TO HELL!! Really? 
> Is that how Jesus works? obay his way or you are tortured for 
> eternity? Is that compassion? So an autistic child will spend his life 
> in hell? So a kid who is born and raised in a muslim household is 
> going to HELL? PAH-LEASE! And have you ever notice how the book is 
> dominated with the belief that we are powerless - god is powerful and 
> so we ask god to help us and we give up our power instead of realizing 
> that perhaps, just maybe, we are all a part of god and therefore the 
> power lies within us to change ourselves and change the world. So 
> please take back your own power first if you want to help take back 
> this world.
>
> love
>
> Andrew
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From edward_rynearson at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 17 15:15:05 2008
From: edward_rynearson at yahoo.com (Edward Rynearson)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:15:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Naomi Wolf, Kevin Barrett,
	James Bamford and Cindy Sheehan
Message-ID: <707961.92127.qm@web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thursday, October 16, 2008

Naomi Wolf joins Peter B Collins to talk about her
newest book, "Give Me Liberty: A Handbook for American
Revolutionaries".

Wednesday, October 15, 2008

Joy Cardin of Wisconsin Public Radio's "Idea Network"
welcomes back Libertarian congressional candidate
Kevin Barrett who is running as the "truth and peace"
candidate in Wisconsin's 3rd District and who explains
that it was his discovery of who was really behind the
attacks of September 11, 2001 that led him to run for
Congress in an attempt to create dialog and restore
his country's democracy. 

Tuesday, October 14, 2008

Amy Goodman talks with James Bamford, an American
bestselling author and journalist who writes about
United States intelligence agencies, and he drops a
bomb shell (which doesn't seem to warrant a follow-up
question from Ms Goodman) about how the 9/11 plotters
set-up shop within eye site (sans trees - 6.1 miles)
of NSA Headquarters, worked out at the nearby Gold's
Gym, shopped at the nearby Safeway and ate at the same
restaurants as NSA employees. 

Cindy Sheehan sits with WeAreChange San Francisco

http://www.radiodujour.com

From edward_rynearson at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 19 02:20:16 2008
From: edward_rynearson at yahoo.com (Edward Rynearson)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 23:20:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Ron Paul on the Alex Jones Show
Message-ID: <524912.41618.qm@web30007.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Ron Paul joins Alex Jones and talks about the banking
"bailout" and the prospects for the American economy.

http://www.radiodujour.com/people/paul_ron/

From geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com  Sun Oct 19 15:52:36 2008
From: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com (Geri Perry)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 14:52:36 -0500
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Free Energy device reported to power homes: Lost
 Science, part 4 of 4
Message-ID: <48FB9004.2040804@thetwofacesofmoney.com>

HMMMM......

Apparently some enterprising fellow from Australia has developed a free 
energy device which - although it "bends the laws of physics" (quote) - 
is nevertheless suitable for powering homes as reported in this 5 minute 
recent local news clip : 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efCelx7qe_M&feature=related

So - can we all do away with mandated fluorescent light bulbs, and 
fossil fuels? Maybe not so fast, in light of this story which appeared 
in the Wellington Newspaper of New Zealand a couple decades ago:

<SNIP>A 30-year-old New Zealand mechanic who says he has developed a car 
engine fueled by water was reported today to have sold his invention for 
$25.6 million to an international research group. The Sunday News of 
Auckland said that M. Malcolm Vincent of Nelson had sold the rights to 
his water-powered rotary engine to the CLUB OF ROME . . .  . . . 
."They're paying me $NZ600,000 down and $1 million a year for 25 years" 
Mr. Vincent is reported to have said" . . . (Mr. Vincent died under 
mysterious circumstances in 1989). <END SNIP>

A couple more tidbits of interesting, related stuff - NOT one stitch of 
which - near as I can tell - is connected to the alleged disinfo agents: 
Fetzer, Wood and company.

2 minute video of  a 15 year old making a "fusion reactor"  in his 
garage, prompting an obvious question. If this kid can do this in his 
garage WHAT THEN - regardless of party line obfuscation - might be 
accomplished by supposedly well-trained scientists with trillions of 
research dollars (and bottomless black budgets) accomplish over several 
decades: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RVlg8M8XRs&feature=related

another 9 minute video featuring a young fellow very carefully 
demonstrating how he can "make fire from water" using electrolysis: 
http://tinyurl.com/6gqdnd

This hydrogen torch: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKKoU1Fp3gs&feature=related

2 minute video on Cold fusion plasma - making water burn: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs-Uk511S_I&feature=related

AND I just can't help adding the following eye-witness account of a 
demonstration of one of Viktor Schauberger's (1885-1958) "mysterious" 
machines based on what he called the implosion motor:

<SNIP> Mr. Viktor Schauberger has demonstrated the machine to me. The 
previous huge construction is no more. It has been reduced to half its 
former size and in operation develops enormous power. I poured a pot of 
water into the bottom of it. The Machine produced an almost inaudible 
sound and then a "pfft" in the same instant and the water pierced right 
through a 4cm (1 1/2 inch)thick concrete slab and a 4mm thick, 
super-hardened steel plate with such force that the water-particles, 
invisible to the eye due to their high velocity, penetrated right 
through all clothing and were experienced as lightning needle pricks on 
the skin.  . . One of the problems with Viktor's machines was more how 
to stop them than how to get them started. Another was keeping the 
machine anchored to the floor to stop the strong levitational energies 
that were generated from lifting it into the air..<END SNIP>

According to Aleck Bartholomew in his exquisite and well documented book 
Hidden Nature, Schauberger was lured to the U.S. by an American 
'consortium' which probably had CIA and atomic energy connections, in 
order to persuade him to give up the keys to his mysterious research. 
After a nightmare of exhausting cross-examination to extract the secrets 
of the devices he had developed which demonstrated free energy, 
anti-gravity and fuel-less flight Viktor returned home to die within 5 
days of a broken heart.

AND just one more, reported in Popular Science, October 1952, since it 
applies a principle used by Schauberger:

<SNIP> When Cmdr. Ivan Monk, who designs big turbines for the Navy, is 
pestered by inventors of perpetual motion machines, he points to a 
device on his desk that goes them one better - for it works. It is a 
wheel that spins with no apparent source of power. Commander Monk built 
it IN HIS SPARE TIME, and patented it, since it may find use in clocks, 
toys and advertising displays. Actually it is a rotary heat engine, run 
by temperature difference between its parts . . .<END SNIP>

Just some food for thought, for anyone willing to take the time.

gerip

From futurenotwritten at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 19 22:27:05 2008
From: futurenotwritten at yahoo.com (Jay Becker)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 19:27:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] "Stand Up to AIPAC"
Message-ID: <386801.85400.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

STAND-UP TO AIPAC FORUM 
SATURDAY OCTOBER 25, 2008 ? 2:00-4:30 PM 
UIC STUDENT CENTER ? ROOM 605 
750 S. Halsted, Chicago 
Free Admission 
Click here to download the forum flyer in .pdf format  
The
Stand-Up to AIPAC Forum is one in a series of events to protest the
AIPAC National Summit scheduled to take place in Chicago??on October
26-27 at the Sheraton Chicago Hotel & Towers. We will also sponsor
a rally beginning at 11 AM on October 27 at the Thompson Center atClark & Randolph, Chicago. At 12 PM following the rally we will march to the site of the AIPAC National Summit. 

The American Israeli Public Affairs Committee
(AIPAC) and related institutions (known as the ?Israeli Lobby?) support
a dangerous status quo, including support of the over $3 billion a year
in U.S. military aid to Israel. We will examine its support for the worst of Israeli policies and for further U.S. military action in Iran. 

We are very honored to have James Abourezk, Allison Weir, and Ghada Talhami as speakers for this forum. 




James George Abourezk 



 
James
G. Abourezk was born in 1931 on the Rosebud Sioux Indian Reservation in
South Dakota, the youngest son of Lebanese immigrant parents. He
attended schools in Wood and in Mission, South Dakota , where his
parents owned general stores, then enlisted in the U.S. Navy at the age
of 17, following his graduation from high school, serving four years
during the Korean War period. 

He began practicing law in Rapid
City , South Dakota , during which time he ran for, and lost a
political race for South Dakota Attorney General. In 1970, he ran for
South Dakota 's Second District Congressional seat and won, serving one
term in Washington, D.C.., after which he ran for, and won, Senator
Karl Mundt's U.S. Senate seat. He served one term in the U.S. Senate
before voluntarily stepping down in 1979. 

In the U.S. House of
Representatives, Abourezk was a member of the Interior and the
Judiciary Committees. In the Senate, Abourezk served on the Energy
Committee, the Budget Committee, the Space and Aeronautics Committee,
and the Judiciary Committee. He created by legislation--and
chaired--the American Indian Policy Review Commission, which was a two
year study of American Indian policy that resulted in a series of broad
recommendations for change in policy. Creation of a full Senate Indian
Affairs Committee was one of the results of the Commission, a committee
which Abourezk chaired until he left the Senate. 

After
leaving the Senate, Abourezk in 1980 organized and chaired the American
Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee, a nationwide civil rights
organization which worked to end discrimination and racism against
people of Arab descent. He served as its chairman for fifteen years,
stepping down in 1995. 

Abourezk has published two books,
Through Different Eyes, which is a debate in print on the
Palestinian-Israeli conflict, co-authored with Hyman Bookbinder, a
former spokesman for the American Jewish Committee; and Advise and
Dissent: Memoirs of South Dakota and the U.S. Senate. He has published
numerous newspaper opinion pieces and Law Review articles. He was an
adjunct professor of International Politics at the American University
in Washington , D.C. , and lectures at universities and other public
organizations, primarily on the Congress, on the Middle East , and on
American Indian Policy. 



 






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Alison Weir 



 
Alison Weir is the founder of If Americans Knew.
She was a journalist off and on for many years. As a freelance
journalist, Weir went on an independent investigation to the
flashpoints in the West Bank and Gaza
rarely visited by American journalists. Since returning she has spoken
on Capitol Hill, to business leaders, at prestigious Washington D.C.
think tanks, and at a multitude of universities. 
Former Congressman Tom Campbell said of Weir: ?Ms. Weir presents a powerful, well documented view of the Middle East
today. She is intelligent, careful, and critical. American policy
makers would benefit greatly from hearing her first-hand observations
and attempting to answer the questions she poses.? 
A New York Times
article about one of her speeches: ?When the speech ended, Ms. Weir was
met with thunderous applause, and across the room there was a
widespread sense of satisfaction that someone was saying what needed to
be said.? 



 






Ghada Talhami 



 
 ? 




Ghada Talhami
D.K. Pearsons Professor of Politics
Lake Forest College 

? 



Areas of Expertise
Human Rights, Jerusalem, Palestine, Women

Dr. Talhami is the past editor of Arab Studies Quarterly, and the co-editor of four other publications. She was a Fulbright Scholar to Syria. She has authored more than 50 articles on various subjects as the Jerusalem question, the Palestine issue, Islam, women, Arab nationalism,
Zionist history, and Egyptian media. She has authored six books:
Palestine in the Egyptian Press, Suakin and Massawa under Egyptian
Rule, Palestine and the Egyptian National Identity, The Islamic
Mobilization of Women in Egypt, Syria and the Palestinians: The Clash
of Nationalisms, and Palestinian Refugees:
Pawns to Political Actors. Her latest book, Palestine in the Egyptian
Press: From al-Ahram to al-Ahali, will be published by Lexington Books.
She has received a Masters degree in US Foreign Policy from
 the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee and a Ph.D. in African History from University of Illinois-Chicago.  
 
 
? 




Conference Site Vigil - Sheraton Hotel and Towers*
Sunday, October 26 - 12 Noon to 5:00 PM Sheraton Hotel & Towers, 301 East North Water Street (near Columbus Drive) 
*We
urge you to join the vigil for as long as you can on October 26. Jewish
Voice for Peace-Chicago also invites you to attend their weekly vigil
from 12 noon until 1 PM at Water Tower Park (Michigan and Pearson).
Immediately following their vigil, participants will march south to
join the vigil at the Sheraton Hotel & Towers. 



 






 
Stand-Up To AIPAC & the Israeli Lobby! 
Rally & March - Monday, October 27 
State of Illinois Building 
(Randolph & Clark streets, Chicago) 
11 AM- Rally, 12 PM- March

    Declare It Now! Wear Orange!
Impeach Bush & Cheney for War Crimes
& Crimes against Humanity!


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From hal at drxyzzy.org  Mon Oct 20 07:27:02 2008
From: hal at drxyzzy.org (Hal Snyder)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 06:27:02 -0500
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Palast and RFK Jr: Blocking the '08 Vote
References: <616173b4b6804cecbc4e08b6363b3b0b@gregpalast.net>
Message-ID: <235774E3-9923-409D-960C-3B039D65C4DC@drxyzzy.org>

Election fraud past and present are summarized by Palast and Kennedy  
in the Rolling Stone article below. For up-to-the-minute  
developments, sign up for Mark Crispin Miller's email newsfeed at

http://groups.google.com/group/newsfromunderground

Beverly Walter posted leads to Palast's BBC-TV video on citizenstruth  
recently. Particularly striking is the Trott & Trott linkage to  
subprime lending, foreclosure evictions, and McCain-Palin campaign  
headquarters for the state of Michigan.

http://www.gregpalast.com/bbc-newsnight-the-theft-of-2008/

Hal

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Greg Palast" <palast at gregpalast.net>
> Date: October 20, 2008 12:40:49 AM CDT
> To: "hal at drxyzzy.org" <hal at drxyzzy.org>
> Subject: Block the Vote
Reply-To: palast at gregpalast.net


Block the Vote

By ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR. & GREG PALAST

"I don't think the Democrats get it. All these new rules and games ?  
could flip the vote to the GOP in half a dozen states."

Rolling Stone Magazine is making this important investigative story  
available on the net in its entirety, free of charge.

Read this excerpt, then read it all on-line at RollingStone.com Or  
download it all, with the Kennedy-Palast voter guide, Steal Back Your  
Vote, at StealBackYourVote.org.

?The new registrations thrown out, the existing registrations  
scrubbed, the spoiled ballots, the provisional ballots that were  
never counted - and what you have is millions of voters, more than  
enough to swing the presidential election, quietly being detached  
from the electorate by subterfuge.

"Jim Crow was laid to rest, but his cousins were not," says Donna  
Brazile. "We got rid of poll taxes and literacy tests but now have a  
second generation of schemes to deny our citizens their franchise."  
Come November, the most crucial demographic may prove to be Americans  
who have been denied the right to vote. If Democrats are to win the  
2008 election, they must not simply beat John McCain at the polls -  
they must beat him by a margin that exceeds the level of GOP vote  
tampering.

- From the current Rolling Stone

These days, the old west rail hub of Las Vegas, New Mexico, is little  
more than a dusty economic dead zone amid a boneyard of bare mesas.  
In national elections, the town overwhelmingly votes Democratic: More  
than 80 percent of all residents are Hispanic, and one in four lives  
below the poverty line. On February 5th, the day of the Super Tuesday  
caucus, a school-bus driver named Paul Maez arrived at his local  
polling station to cast his ballot. To his surprise, Maez found that  
his name had vanished from the list of registered voters, thanks to a  
statewide effort to deter fraudulent voting. For Maez, the shock was  
especially acute: He is the supervisor of elections in Las Vegas.

Maez was not alone in being denied his right to vote. On Super  
Tuesday, one in nine Democrats who tried to cast ballots in New  
Mexico found their names missing from the registration lists. The  
numbers were even higher in precincts like Las Vegas, where nearly 20  
percent of the county's voters were absent from the rolls. With their  
status in limbo, the voters were forced to cast "provisional"  
ballots, which can be reviewed and discarded by election officials  
without explanation. On Super Tuesday, more than half of all  
provisional ballots cast were thrown out statewide.

This November, what happened to Maez will happen to hundreds of  
thousands of voters across the country. In state after state,  
Republican operatives - the party's elite commandos of bare-knuckle  
politics - are wielding new federal legislation to systematically  
disenfranchise Democrats. If this year's race is as close as the past  
two elections, the GOP's nationwide campaign could be large enough to  
determine the presidency in November. "I don't think the Democrats  
get it," says John Boyd, a voting-rights attorney in Albuquerque who  
has taken on the Republican Party for impeding access to the ballot.  
"All these new rules and games are turning voting into an obstacle  
course that could flip the vote to the GOP in half a dozen states."

Download the rest ? and get the Kennedy-Palast comic book/voter guide  
? at StealBackYourVote.org.

Or, read it on-line, and watch the video, at Rollingstone.com/issue1064

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From edward_rynearson at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 20 17:11:28 2008
From: edward_rynearson at yahoo.com (Edward Rynearson)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:11:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] CIA's Robert Baer knows guy who 'cashed out' day
	before 9/11
Message-ID: <866565.39930.qm@web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Monday, October 20, 2008
CIA's Robert Baer knows guy who 'cashed out' day
before 9/11 
http://www.radiodujour.com/people/baer_robert/

From edward_rynearson at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 21 00:31:08 2008
From: edward_rynearson at yahoo.com (Edward Rynearson)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:31:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] She just loves the euphemism "routine emissions"
Message-ID: <293196.67538.qm@web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dr. Helen Caldicott who is currently touring the Oak
Ridge Nuclear Weapons facility, talks to Dennis
Bernstein about her book "If you love this planet"
where she refutes the notion that nuclear power can
ever be safe and how the world's nuclear bomb arsenal
keeps humanity a hair trigger away from extinction.

http://www.radiodujour.com/people/caldicott_helen/

From rmigalla at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 21 11:52:10 2008
From: rmigalla at earthlink.net (Robin Migalla)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:52:10 -0500
Subject: [CitizensTruth] FW: Blue states
Message-ID: <01C9336B.124EA130.rmigalla@earthlink.net>


-----Original Message-----
Sent:	Tuesday, October 21, 2008 10:45
Subject:	Blue states

I received this today. I thought it was too good not to pass along.

Dear Red States...We've decided we're leaving. We intend to form our own 
country, and we're taking the other Blue States with us.

In case you aren't aware, that includes Hawaii, Oregon , Washington 
,Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois and all the Northeast. We believe 
this split will be beneficial to the nation, and especially to the people 
of the new country of 'New California'.

To sum up briefly:

You get Texas, Oklahoma and all the slave states. We get stem cell research 
and the best beaches. We get Elliot Spitzer. You get Ken Lay.

We get the Statue of Liberty. You get Dollywood. We get Intel and 
Microsoft. You get World Com. We get Harvard. You get Ole' Miss.

We get 85 percent of America's venture capital and entrepreneurs. You get 
Alabama. We get two-thirds of the tax revenue, you get to make the red 
states pay their fair share. Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent 
lower than the Christian Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You 
get a bunch of single moms. Please be aware that Nuevo California will be 
pro-choice and anti-war, and we're going to want all our citizens back from 
Iraq at once. If you need people to fight, ask your evangelicals. They have 
kids they're apparently willing to send to their deaths for no purpose, and 
they don't care if you don't show pictures of their children's caskets 
coming home.

We do wish you success in Iraq , and hope that the WMDs turn up, but we're 
not willing to spend our resources in Bush's Quagmire.

With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm control of 80 percent of 
the country's fresh water, more than 90 percent of the pineapple and 
lettuce, 92 percent of the nation's fresh fruit, 95  percent of America's 
quality wines (you can serve French wines at state dinners), 90 percent of 
all cheese, 90 percent of the high tech industry, most of the U.S. 
low-sulfur coal, all living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy and 
Seven Sister schools, plus Cal, Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT. With the Red 
States, on the other hand, you will have to cope with 88 percent of all 
obese Americans (and their projected health care costs), 92 percent of all 
U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent of the tornadoes, 90 percent of the 
hurricanes, 99 percent of all Southern Baptists, virtually 100 percent of 
all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, Bob Jones University, Clemson and the 
University of Georgia. We get Hollywood and Yosemite , thank you.

Additionally, 38 percent of those in the Red states believe Jonah was 
actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe life is sacred unless 
we're discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44 percent say that 
evolution is only a theory, 53 percent that Saddam was involved in 9/11 and 
61 percent of you crazy bastards believe you are people with higher morals 
then we lefties.

By the way, we're taking the good pot, too.  You can have that dirtweed 
they grow in Mexico.

Peace out,
Blue  States

From geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com  Tue Oct 21 13:19:03 2008
From: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com (Geri Perry)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:19:03 -0500
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Anyone got a video camera for election day?
Message-ID: <48FE0F07.5080208@thetwofacesofmoney.com>

http://www.videothevote.org/

From geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com  Tue Oct 21 14:42:11 2008
From: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com (Geri Perry)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:42:11 -0500
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Friday nite unconventional tour in Chicago:
 "Putting the party back in politics"
Message-ID: <48FE2283.1010205@thetwofacesofmoney.com>

Starts at 8pm: http://www.unconventionaltour.com/Chicago.html with press 
release in side bar. Not sure if Penny will show her Poison
Dust and Electile Disfunction documentaries.

Cover charge is $7. I think the restaurant will still be open so here is 
the menu page if interested: http://www.heartlandcafe.com/hc_index.htm

From edward_rynearson at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 21 19:39:31 2008
From: edward_rynearson at yahoo.com (Edward Rynearson)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:39:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Alex Jones reviews Oliver Stone's "W"
Message-ID: <463894.1087.qm@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Tuesday, October 21, 2008
Alex Jones reviews Oliver Stone's "W"
http://www.radiodujour.com/people/jones_alex/


From r.gillam at comcast.net  Tue Oct 21 21:00:11 2008
From: r.gillam at comcast.net (Ragen Gillam)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:00:11 -0500
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Important breast cancer article
Message-ID: <20081022010015.7D27F6E096@six.pairlist.net>

This article should be read and disseminated widely!

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From richardfobes at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 21 23:53:32 2008
From: richardfobes at hotmail.com (Richard Fobes)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 22:53:32 -0500
Subject: [CitizensTruth] More Details for Friday,
	10/24 - Unconventional Tour in Chicago
Message-ID: <BAY128-W7625DDC9591C45DE41C60D5290@phx.gbl>


For those of you who haven't yet received this....

You are cordially invited to join us this Friday, 10/24!!

Here is the schedule for the event this Friday night, 10/24, at the Heartland Cafe in Rogers Park.

This 'Unconventional Tour' event is being sponsored by Penny Little, producer of 9/11 Dust and Deceit.


FRIDAY: 10/24

8pm

$7

HEARTLAND CAFE - 7000 N. GLENWOOD AVE
CHICAGO, IL 60626
(773) 465-8005
www.heartlandcafe.com


8 pm - 8:15pm: Welcome  - media clips

8:30pm - Jungle of Cities (acoustic) a couple songs

 The Away Team and media mashup

8:45 Speaker 

8:55pm:  No En Nuestro Nombre (join in chorus and/or 'Ain't no power like the power of the people, cause the power of the people don't stop) e  http://www.theawayteam.com/video.html

9:00pm:  9/11 Media Clip

9:05pm:  SWIZZLE TREE acoustic''Steve and Saarang'  

 9:30pm:  The Away Team and media mashup - clips

9:45pm:  Power to the People - Chorus - B-flat  Everyone who wants to gather around a mic

9:55pm:   Speaker or Media clip

10:00pm:  Special guest Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's, Jim Post


www.heartlandcafe.com


Something 'Unconventional' is coming to Chicago to the Heartland Cafe on Friday, October 24.   Unconventional Tour: Making Waves 2008 is a mashup of live music, media, film, politics, featuring the elclectic electronic duo from California  The Away Team, plus Chicago?s own  Swizzle Tree 'acoustic' and Jungle of Cities (acoustic) and very special guest  hitmaker Jim Post who penned the song 'Reach out in the Darkness.' There will be a ?Free Speech? Contest with prizes, for the best 2 minute rant. This Unconventional Tour will also make stops in Santa Barbara, Albuquerque, Austin, Little Rock, Tulsa, Bloomington, St. Louis, to mobilize and energize voters and talk about the issues which may not be in the national dialogue -- a people?s ?unconvention? to put the party back into politics.  The show starts at 8:00pm.



 

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From aqmstaffo at mailbag.com  Wed Oct 22 11:04:18 2008
From: aqmstaffo at mailbag.com (Daniel Stafford)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 10:04:18 -0500
Subject: [CitizensTruth] WCPT now broadcasting Progressive talk on their
 sister FM stations in Chicago area
Message-ID: <48FF40F2.10005@mailbag.com>

The power of voting with your dollars at work - WCPT's owners have 
dropped music formats on their three FM stations in favor of Progressive 
talk:

http://www.wcpt850.com/about/


  About Chicago's Progressive Talk

Chicago's Progressive Talk believes that a blue city and a blue state 
deserve a Progressive Talk radio station that is entertaining, 
informative, irreverent and chock full of smart, funny shows with a 
progressive perspective.

We are one of the last independently owned radio stations in the 
country. Because we are not part of a conglomerate, our hosts have the 
freedom to speak their minds... and speak they do.

We commit to providing you an alternative to the status quo of talk 
radio and to providing our advertisers with an effective and results 
oriented product.


        Where can I hear Chicago's Progressive Talk?

Chicago's Progressive Talk can be heard in the Following Places:

*820-AM-* From Sunrise to Sunset...CLICK HERE 
<http://www.wcpt820.com/programming/HoursofOperation.html> for monthly 
broadcast hours.

 From 5am - 9pm Chicago's Progressive Talk can be heard on the following 
FM Frequencies:

*92.5 FM-* Covering the Western Suburbs and Northwestern IL
*92.7 FM-* Covering the Northern Suburbs, Northwestern IL and Southern WI
*99.9 FM-* Covering the Southern Suburbs and Northwest IN

You can also listen to Chicago's Progressive Talk 24hrs/day...CLICK HERE 
<http://www.wcpt820.com/listen-live.php> to launch live stream!


        When will the station be able to broadcast 24/7?

WCPT-AM is a "Daytimer" radio station, meaning that the Federal 
Communications Commission (FCC) dictates the time we sign on and sign 
off each day. We are required by law to follow this schedule.

The rules regarding radio stations go back to 1934 when there were far 
fewer radio stations in the country than there are today. "Daytimers" 
share signals with the very first, 50,000 watt, clear channel stations 
(not to be confused with the company, Clear Channel) that went on air in 
the 1920s. WCPT-AM, for instance, is on the same frequency as WBAP in 
Dallas Texas. We both broadcast at 820-AM. For a long time, the FCC 
"protected" stations like WBAP, prohibiting anyone from broadcasting on 
the same signal during any time of the day - no matter how 
geographically distant they were.

Some years ago, however, The FCC decided to allow geographically distant 
stations to use these signals - but only during the day. These 
"heritage" stations are still protected at night - when their signals 
are the largest. That's why, if you turn on 820-AM at night, you may 
hear a Dallas Stars hockey game on WBAP-AM.

On the FM side, we will continue to air Dance Factory Radio from 
9pm-5am...for more information...CLICK HERE 
<http://www.dancefactoryfm.com/>


        Will WCPT-AM eventually be able to broadcast 24/7?

Not likely. Even though there are almost 10,000 radio stations in the 
United States today, the FCC still adheres to the 1934 guidelines when 
there were less than 750. All of the clear channel stations are owned by 
big corporations... enough said.


        What about buying a 24-hour signal?

The only way to become a twenty-four hour station would be to buy one of 
the few AM stations in Chicago that can broadcast 24/7. However all of 
those stations are owned by large corporations. Our recent expansion to 
the FM signals now allows us to reach the entire Northern Illinois, 
Southern Wisconsin and Northwest Indiana areas with extended hours.


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From mamascasa at gmail.com  Wed Oct 22 13:26:33 2008
From: mamascasa at gmail.com (Alissa Catalan)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:26:33 -0500
Subject: [CitizensTruth] WCPT now broadcasting Progressive talk on their
	sister FM stations in Chicago area
In-Reply-To: <48FF40F2.10005@mailbag.com>
References: <48FF40F2.10005@mailbag.com>
Message-ID: <8c11c2280810221026t6919f358p51baca5c948365a0@mail.gmail.com>

We regulary listened to this frequency & the local station that this
replaced 92.5 / 92.7 www.weplayanything.com had been begging listeners to
please support their efforts to keep them on the air, I believe due to
rising costs of media rights.  Anyone know if this was part of the change
up?

~ Alissa

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Daniel Stafford <aqmstaffo at mailbag.com>wrote:

>  The power of voting with your dollars at work - WCPT's owners have dropped
> music formats on their three FM stations in favor of Progressive talk:
>
> http://www.wcpt850.com/about/
>
> About Chicago's Progressive Talk
>
> Chicago's Progressive Talk believes that a blue city and a blue state
> deserve a Progressive Talk radio station that is entertaining, informative,
> irreverent and chock full of smart, funny shows with a progressive
> perspective.
>
> We are one of the last independently owned radio stations in the country.
> Because we are not part of a conglomerate, our hosts have the freedom to
> speak their minds? and speak they do.
>
> We commit to providing you an alternative to the status quo of talk radio
> and to providing our advertisers with an effective and results oriented
> product.
> Where can I hear Chicago's Progressive Talk?
>
> Chicago's Progressive Talk can be heard in the Following Places:
>
> *820-AM-* From Sunrise to Sunset...CLICK HERE<http://www.wcpt820.com/programming/HoursofOperation.html>for monthly broadcast hours.
>
> From 5am - 9pm Chicago's Progressive Talk can be heard on the following FM
> Frequencies:
>
> *92.5 FM-* Covering the Western Suburbs and Northwestern IL
> *92.7 FM-* Covering the Northern Suburbs, Northwestern IL and Southern WI
> *99.9 FM-* Covering the Southern Suburbs and Northwest IN
>
> You can also listen to Chicago's Progressive Talk 24hrs/day...CLICK HERE<http://www.wcpt820.com/listen-live.php>to launch live stream!
> When will the station be able to broadcast 24/7?
>
> WCPT-AM is a "Daytimer" radio station, meaning that the Federal
> Communications Commission (FCC) dictates the time we sign on and sign off
> each day. We are required by law to follow this schedule.
>
> The rules regarding radio stations go back to 1934 when there were far
> fewer radio stations in the country than there are today. "Daytimers" share
> signals with the very first, 50,000 watt, clear channel stations (not to be
> confused with the company, Clear Channel) that went on air in the 1920s.
> WCPT-AM, for instance, is on the same frequency as WBAP in Dallas Texas. We
> both broadcast at 820-AM. For a long time, the FCC "protected" stations like
> WBAP, prohibiting anyone from broadcasting on the same signal during any
> time of the day - no matter how geographically distant they were.
>
> Some years ago, however, The FCC decided to allow geographically distant
> stations to use these signals - but only during the day. These "heritage"
> stations are still protected at night - when their signals are the largest.
> That's why, if you turn on 820-AM at night, you may hear a Dallas Stars
> hockey game on WBAP-AM.
>
> On the FM side, we will continue to air Dance Factory Radio from
> 9pm-5am...for more information...CLICK HERE<http://www.dancefactoryfm.com/>
>
> Will WCPT-AM eventually be able to broadcast 24/7?
>
> Not likely. Even though there are almost 10,000 radio stations in the
> United States today, the FCC still adheres to the 1934 guidelines when there
> were less than 750. All of the clear channel stations are owned by big
> corporations... enough said.
> What about buying a 24-hour signal?
>
> The only way to become a twenty-four hour station would be to buy one of
> the few AM stations in Chicago that can broadcast 24/7. However all of those
> stations are owned by large corporations. Our recent expansion to the FM
> signals now allows us to reach the entire Northern Illinois, Southern
> Wisconsin and Northwest Indiana areas with extended hours.
>
>
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From aqmstaffo at mailbag.com  Wed Oct 22 14:26:48 2008
From: aqmstaffo at mailbag.com (Daniel Stafford)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:26:48 -0500
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Mortgage Busters - A Non-Profit Membership-based
 Homeowner Rescue Concept
Message-ID: <48FF7068.1020409@mailbag.com>

*Mortgage Busters - A Non-Profit Membership-based Homeowner Rescue Concept*

Daniel A. Stafford - 10/22/2008

This is a question for the financially astute - could this concept be 
started legally and how fast could it be effective?

The concept:

Start a non-profit homeowners' corporation that buys the mortgages of 
members, then provides those members with lifetime leases on MB-owned homes.

Step one - an initial group of members joins the non-profit club. Each 
member pays $100.00 per month above the existing dollar amount of their 
primary residence mortgage to the club as dues. As soon as there is 
enough money in a trust account held by the club, the club buys the 
mortgage of the first member to join. At that point, the existing 
mortgage is converted to a lifetime lease on the home for $200.00 per 
month plus the cost of property taxes and insurance payments. This lease 
is transferable to any home in the nation owned by the club, in order to 
facilitate moves necessitated by career or job changes that require 
relocation.

Step two - the club gains enough funds to buy a second mortgage out - 
and purchases the home of the second member to join on the same terms.

This process continues on in the order members join the club, without limit.

Lifetime leases can not be revoked as long as the members do not damage 
the property and pay at least the cost of property taxes and insurance 
for reasons of layoff or unemployment due to medical conditions that 
prevent the member from working, as long as the member is actively 
seeking employment or will eventually be able to seek employment after 
the medical condition is cleared. Outstanding rent balances are 
repayable without fees or interest at a rate of $50.00 per month above 
normal rent as soon as the resident member is able to resume payment. 
Total monthly payment is $250.00 per month beyond taxes and insurance 
until said balance is paid in full, at which point the amount reverts to 
$200.00 above taxes and insurance.

All equity in said homes is transferred to the club at the point the 
mortgage is converted to a lifetime lease. The club may NOT take out 
for-interest loans with this equity as collateral.

Persons leasing club-owned homes are responsible for utility costs and 
maintenance of the property. This includes all home repair expenses.

Energy-efficiency upgrades and renewable energy additions such as solar 
and wind power systems may be added at club expense for intial 
installation, paid back in the form of and additional $100.00 per month 
rent at 0% interest as soon as the club has enough funding in trust to 
begin such a program in addition to its primary mission of buying out 
interest-based mortgages and converting them to zero-interest-based 
leases. Eligibility is based upon the order members joined just as is 
mortgage conversion, and is optional.

------------------------------------

If this is legally feasible, is it financially sound, and if not, how 
would the numbers need to be adjusted to make it so?

The point is to eliminate mortgage interest costs and reduce household 
climate-change emissions and fossil fuel dependence as rapidly as 
possible. It also serves as a buffer between housing insecurity and the 
need to find new employment or train for a new career as industries 
become outdated and defunct, thereby making the economy far less 
susceptible to damage from housing costs and changes in industry.

Additional rules might need to be considered, such as basing the size of 
housing units in transfer situation on the number of persons in a 
member's family at the time of transfer.

How could something like this be set up in a sustainable manner?

Regards,

Dan Stafford
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From aqmstaffo at mailbag.com  Wed Oct 22 16:15:23 2008
From: aqmstaffo at mailbag.com (Daniel Stafford)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:15:23 -0500
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Resorce-based Society
Message-ID: <48FF89DB.9010400@mailbag.com>

Interconnectedness in an alternative future...DS

Future by Design - William Gazecki has produced and directed a 
documentary based on him and his ideas...
http://www.futurebydesignthemovie.com/
Imagine a world where war is outdated, there is no shortage of 
resources, and every human being enjoys a high standard of living. THIS 
IS THE STORY OF JACQUE FRESCO -- A MODERN-DAY DA VINCI

Documentary on My Life Directed by William Gazecki (3 min 22 sec)
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=g3cBXHLgC7s
There is a good preview of this documentary...

From: http://www.fbdthemovie.com/fbdpresskit.pdf

Future by Design

Future by Design is a documentary film by Academy Award nominated 
filmmaker William Gazecki, sharing the life and far-reaching vision of 
Jacque Fresco, a modern day Da Vinci. Peer to Einstein and Buckminster 
Fuller, Jacque is a self-taught futurist who describes himself most 
often as a multi-disciplinarian or "generalist" -- a student of many 
inter-related fields. He is a prolific inventor, having spent his entire 
life (he is now 90 years old) conceiving of and devising inventions on 
various scales which entail the use of innovative technology. The film 
explores Fresco's world of the future, where scientific method, not 
politics, rules world operations, and all human activities and efforts 
are directed towards achieving dynamic equilibrium between man and 
nature. Future by Design is a visually and intellectually engaging 
exploration of one man's vision of a future where war is outdated, there 
is no shortage of any necessary resource, and our focus as a species is 
sustainability. But far from presenting a vision of Utopia, this 
documentary demonstrates a "possible future" -- with real and viable 
alternatives to our current paradigm of militarism and commercialism. 
Jacque Fresco is an outspoken and immediately likable character who's 
radical and sometimes irreverent ideas are sure to draw both praise and 
controversy.

In all of his dealings with the public, Jacque attempts to illuminate 
the causes of our current social ills and outline a wide range of 
constructive alternatives. He does this by presenting a redesign of our 
culture, one that would emphasize the intelligent use of science and 
technology to enhance the lives of all people. Infused within everything 
he does is his desire to share his global vision of hope for the future 
of humankind in our technological age.

CLIP

Jacque's vision of a Resource-based Economy is a society where 
automation and technology replace servitude and menial labor, and where 
resources are distributed on a whole basis according to the needs of the 
population, balanced with the carrying capacity of the natural 
environment. Much of the technology Jacque has developed over the years 
is designed to support and implement the cybernated culture he 
envisions. In Fresco's world of the future, all activities and efforts 
are directed towards productive solutions to real and physical problems. 
It is a society which utilizes energy, materials and human potential in 
the most organized and efficient manner possible. In Jacque's 
perspective, professions and industries which do not contribute to the 
physical wellbeing of the population are deemed inconsequential. He also 
feels that environmental restoration and the elimination of human-caused 
environmental decay is essential for long-term survival.

Jacque's concept of a society of the future integrates intra- and 
inter-personal needs, psychological and sociological functioning with 
the macro-scale mechanisms of governance, social stratification, 
commerce and spiritual needs. It is not a society based upon a moral 
philosophy. His long study of human and animal behavior has greatly 
influenced his thinking with regard to psychology and sociology. 
Jacque's idea is that our actions are determined by our values, and our 
values are in turn determined by our beliefs. What he has observed is 
that, in general, human social evolution throughout history has been 
cyclic -- war, poverty, aggression, territoriality, violence and crime 
are all indications of aberrant human behavior. Given that these kinds 
of behavior are consistently demonstrated over time, it is Jacque's 
consensus that there is some underlying cause. In his opinion, the 
source of all aberrant behavior is the operating belief systems with 
which we determine our values.

Jacque's research has led him to the conclusion that one of the most 
harmful beliefs carried by the majority of people is the general 
assumption that there is "not enough to go around" for everyone. Jacque 
calls this tendency or belief "scarcity". The perception of scarcity on 
a mass scale throughout history has led to the accumulation of wealth, 
the gross obsession for power, and the tendency to manipulate people in 
order to protect one's resources or belongings (property). All of these 
mechanisms can be seen to function on a personal as well as an 
international scale. In Fresco's projection of a functional future, 
where each individual's needs are met, the tendency to want to 
accumulate material things or exercise power will become minimal or 
unnecessary.

In a Resource-based Economy, the use of resources is balanced with the 
needs of the population. This is done through the gathering of 
information and the use of artificial intelligence and automated 
technology to apportion resources on a fair and equitable basis based on 
physical needs rather than other factors, such as perceived threat or 
the domination of central power structures. In the Future by Design, 
governance is maintained by the cybernated system, which depends wholly 
upon information derived from the physical environment. This information 
is derived from physical measurement and the input of data by the 
general population. Beliefs, biases, prejudices, class systems, 
religions, nation-states and their priorities play no role in 
determining "who gets what" in the future. In Jacque's synthesis of 
elements, he firmly believes that equitable use of physical resources 
combined with a dramatic shift in elevating the level of education of 
the public will create a functional, equitable world capable of 
long-term sustainability. A highly educated population can articulate 
their needs intelligently, make informed decisions.

He believes that when people are born into a system where it is 
understood and assumed that all physical needs will be met and that 
access to resources will be unfettered, that the majority of individuals 
will grow up psychologically healthy. His feeling is that aberrant 
behavior which results in crime or in some kind of overt harm is not the 
result of any moral crisis or ethical violation, but is really 
determined by one's environment. If an individual's needs are met, in an 
environment of non-violence and comprehensive education, the tendency to 
explore or institute harmful behavior is eliminated.

In the Future by Design, all systems work together. The personal, 
social, economic, industrial and governance arenas are all 
interconnected and balanced into one functional system. The Future by 
Design is a true participatory democracy, where each member of the 
society has the opportunity to input their needs, opinions and 
preferences into the central computer, which then assesses and analyzes 
all information to determine the use of resources in distribution of 
goods and services.

As a futurist, Jacque is not only a conceptualist and a theoretician, 
but he is also an engineer and a designer. Each one of his concepts and 
ideas has a firm foundation in the physical world. Whether through his 
study of animal and human behavior, science and the methodologies of 
science, or physical engineering principles, everything he has conceived 
of is rooted in practical reality. The basic overall concept of the 
Future by Design is the application of the scientific method to social 
systems, wherein all processes are based upon measurable factors rather 
than beliefs and opinions. Everything Jacque has conceived of can be 
designed and built as envisioned.

Jacque is not a Utopianist. In his paradigm, all social systems are 
evolutionary. Jacque has always based his work on the processes of 
nature and how organisms and systems function in a natural eco-balance. 
In Jacque's estimation, there is no such thing as a Utopia, as Utopias 
are generally conceived of as a status-quo or end-result, never to be 
surpassed. In Jacque's estimation, once our basic needs are met and we 
have eliminated usurious and superfluous inefficient efforts (i.e., 
militarism, commercialism, etc.), we can then focus the whole of human 
effort on an endless cycle of constant improvement and endless evolution.

http://www.thevenusproject.com/intro_main/whatis_tvp.htm

The Venus Project is a educational think tank operating out of a 25-acre 
Research Center located in Venus, Florida.

When one considers the enormity of the challenges facing society today, 
we can safely conclude that the time is long overdue for us to reexamine 
our values, and to reflect upon and evaluate some of the underlying 
issues and assumptions we have as a society. This self-analysis calls 
into question the very nature of what it means to be human, what it 
means to be a member of a "civilization," and what choices we can make 
today to ensure a prosperous future for all the world's people.

At present we are left with very few alternatives. The answers of 
yesterday are no longer relevant. Either we continue as we have been 
with our outmoded social customs and habits of thought, in which case 
our future will be threatened, or we can apply a more appropriate set of 
values that are relevant to an emergent society.

Experience tells us that human behavior can be modified, either toward 
constructive or destructive activity. This is what The Venus Project is 
all about - directing our technology and resources toward the positive, 
for the maximum benefit of people and planet and seeking out new ways of 
thinking and living that emphasize and celebrate the vast potential of 
the human spirit. We have the tools at hand to design - and build - a 
future that is worthy of the human potential. The Venus Project presents 
a bold, new direction for humanity that entails nothing less than the 
total redesign of our culture. What follows is not an attempt to predict 
what will be done - only what could be done. The responsibility for our 
future is in our hands, and depends on the decisions that we make today. 
The greatest resource that is available today is our own ingenuity.

While social reformers and think tanks formulate strategies that treat 
only superficial symptoms, without touching the basic social operation, 
The Venus Project approaches these problems somewhat differently. We 
feel we cannot eliminate these problems within the framework of the 
present political and monetary establishment. It would take too many 
years to accomplish any significant change. Most likely they would be 
watered down and thinned out to such an extent that the changes would be 
indistinguishable

The Venus Project advocates an alternative vision for a sustainable new 
world civilization unlike any social system that has gone before. 
Although this description is highly condensed, it is based upon years of 
study and experimental research by many, many people from many 
scientific disciplines.

The Venus Project proposes a fresh approach--one that is dedicated to 
human and environmental concerns. It is an attainable vision of a bright 
and better future, one that is appropriate to the times in which we 
live, and both practical and feasible for a positive future for all the 
world's people.

The Venus Project calls for a straightforward approach to the redesign 
of a culture, in which the age-old inadequacies of war, poverty, hunger, 
debt, environmental degradation and unnecessary human suffering are 
viewed not only as avoidable, but totally unacceptable.

One of the basic premises of The Venus Project is that we work towards 
having all of the Earth's resources as the common heritage of all the 
world's people. Anything less will simply result in a continuation of 
the same catalog of problems inherent in the present system.

Throughout history, change has been slow. Successive groups of 
incompetent leaders have replaced those that preceded them, but the 
underlying social and economic problems remain because the basic value 
systems have gone unaltered. The problems we are faced with today cannot 
be solved politically or financially because they are highly technical 
in nature. There may not even be enough money available to pay for the 
required changes, but there are more than enough resources. This is why 
The Venus Project advocates the transition from a monetary-based society 
to the eventual realization of a resource-based global economy.

We realize to make the transition from our present culture, which is 
politically incompetent, scarcity-oriented and obsolete, to this new, 
more humane society will require a quantum leap in both thought and action.

An Obsolete Monetary System

The money-based system evolved centuries ago. All of the world's 
economic systems - socialism, communism, fascism, and even the vaunted 
free enterprise system - perpetuate social stratification, elitism, 
nationalism, and racism, primarily based on economic disparity. As long 
as a social system uses money or barter, people and nations will seek to 
maintain the economic competitive edge or, if they cannot do so by means 
of commerce they will by military intervention. We still utilize these 
same outmoded methods.

Our current monetary system is not capable of providing a high standard 
of living for everyone, nor can it ensure the protection of the 
environment because the major motive is profit. Strategies such as 
downsizing and toxic dumping increase the profit margin. With the advent 
of automation, cybernation, artificial intelligence and out-sourcing, 
there will be an ever-increasing replacement of people by machines. As a 
result, fewer people will be able to purchase goods and services even 
though our capability to produce an abundance will continue to exist.

Our present, outmoded political and economic systems are unable to apply 
the real benefits of today's innovative technology to achieve the 
greatest good for all people, and to overcome the inequities imposed 
upon so many. Our technology is racing forward yet our social designs 
have remained relatively static. In other words cultural change has not 
kept pace with technological change. We now have the means to produce 
goods and services in abundance for everyone.

Unfortunately, today science and technology have been diverted from 
achieving the greatest good for reasons of self-interest and monetary 
gain through planned obsolescence sometimes referred to as the conscious 
withdrawal of efficiency. For example, the U. S. Department of 
Agriculture, whose function is presumed to be conducting research into 
ways of achieving higher crop yields per acre, actually pays farmers not 
to produce at full-capacity. The monetary system tends to hold back the 
application of these methods that we know would best serve the interests 
of people and the environment.

In a monetary system purchasing power is not related to our capacity to 
produce goods and services. For example, during a depression, there are 
computers and DVD's on store shelves and automobiles in car lots, but 
most people do not have the purchasing power to buy them. The earth is 
still the same place; it is just the rules of the game that are obsolete 
and create strife, deprivation and unnecessary human suffering.

A monetary system developed years ago as a device to control human 
behavior in an environment with limited resources. Today money is used 
to regulate the economy not for the benefit of the general populace, but 
for those who control the financial wealth of nations.

Resource Based Economy

All social systems, regardless of political philosophy, religious 
beliefs, or social customs, ultimately depend upon natural resources, 
i.e. clean air and water, arable land and the necessary technology and 
personnel to maintain a high standard of living.

Simply stated, a Resource-Based Economy utilizes existing resources 
rather than money and provides an equitable method of distributing these 
resources in the most efficient manner for the entire population. It is 
a system in which all goods and services are available without the use 
of money, credits, barter, or any other form of debt or servitude.

Earth is abundant with plentiful resources; today our practice of 
rationing resources through monetary methods is irrelevant and counter 
productive to our survival. Modern society has access to highly advanced 
technologies and can make available food, clothing, housing, medical 
care, a relevant educational system, and develop a limitless supply of 
renewable, non-contaminating energy such as geothermal, solar, wind, 
tidal, etc. It is now possible to have everyone enjoy a very high 
standard of living with all of the amenities that a prosperous 
civilization can provide. This can be accomplished through the 
intelligent and humane application of science and technology.

A Resource-Based Economy would make it possible to use technology to 
overcome scarce resources by applying renewable sources of energy, 
computerizing and automating manufacturing and inventory, designing safe 
energy-efficient cities and advanced transportation systems, providing 
universal health care and more relevant education, and most of all by 
generating a new incentive system based on human and environmental concern.

Many people believe that there is too much technology in the world 
today, and that technology is the major cause of our environmental 
pollution. This is not the case. It is the abuse and misuse of 
technology that should be our major concern. In a more humane 
civilization, instead of machines displacing people they would shorten 
the workday, increase the availability of goods and services, and 
lengthen vacation time. If we utilize new technology to raise the 
standard of living for all people, then the infusion of machine 
technology would no longer be a threat.

To better understand the meaning of a Resource Based Economy consider 
this: if all the money in the world were destroyed, as long as topsoil, 
factories, and other resources were left intact, we could build anything 
we choose to build and fulfill any human need. It is not money that 
people need; rather, it is free access to the necessities of life. In a 
Resource Based Economy , money would be irrelevant. All that would be 
required are the resources and the manufacturing and distribution of the 
products.

When education and resources are made available to all people without a 
price tag, there would be no limit to the human potential. Although this 
is difficult to imagine, even the wealthiest person today would be far 
better off in a resource based society as proposed by The Venus Project. 
Today the middle classes live better than kings of times past. In a 
Resource Based Economy everyone would live better than the wealthiest of 
today.

In such a society, the measure of success would be based on the 
fulfillment of one's individual pursuits rather than the acquisition of 
wealth, property and power.

The Choice Is Ours To Make

Human behavior is subject to the same laws as any other natural 
phenomenon. Our customs, behaviors, and values are byproducts of our 
culture. No one is born with greed, prejudice, bigotry, patriotism and 
hatred; these are all learned behavior patterns. If the environment is 
unaltered, similar behavior will reoccur.

Today, much of the technology needed to bring about a global 
Resource-Based Economy exists. If we choose to conform to the 
limitations of our present monetary-based economy, then it is likely 
that we will continue to live with its inevitable results: war, poverty, 
hunger, deprivation, crime, ignorance, stress, fear, and inequity. On 
the other hand, if we embrace the concept of a global Resource Based 
Economy, learn more about it, and share our understanding with our 
friends, this will help humanity evolve out of its present state.

The only limitations are those we impose upon ourselves. The Venus 
Project is neither utopian nor Orwellian, nor does it reflect the dreams 
of impractical idealists. Instead, it presents attainable goals 
requiring only the intelligent application of what we already know.

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From: edward_rynearson at yahoo.com (Edward Rynearson)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:09:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Naomi Wolf joins Alex Jones today . . . audio . . .
	must listen!
Message-ID: <900082.16963.qm@web30005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

October 22, 2008
 
Alex Jones talks with Naomi Wolf about the closing
down of our democracy as the globalists openly install
a police state and how we must all work together to
prevent this from happening! 

http://www.radiodujour.com/people/wolf_naomi/


From aqmstaffo at mailbag.com  Thu Oct 23 12:15:09 2008
From: aqmstaffo at mailbag.com (Daniel Stafford)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 11:15:09 -0500
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Foreclosure filings spike 71%
Message-ID: <4900A30D.8060606@mailbag.com>

http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/23/real_estate/foreclosures/index.htm?postversion=2008102305

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to shove the houses sideways. - D.


 
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  Foreclosure filings spike 71%


    Third quarter numbers saw a sharp rise compared to last year; in
    September, 81,312 homes were repossessed by lenders.

By Catherine Clifford, CNNMoney.com staff writer
Last Updated: October 23, 2008: 11:32 AM ET

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The housing crisis still has a choke hold on 
America: In September, 81,312 homes were lost to foreclosure, according 
to a report released Thursday.

RealtyTrac, an online marketer of foreclosed properties, said that 
851,000 homes have been repossessed by lenders since August 2007.

In September, 265,968 troubled borrowers received foreclosure filings - 
such as default notices, auction sale notices and bank repossessions. 
That's a decline of 12% from the record high number of filings in August 
<http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/12/real_estate/foreclosures/>, but 21% 
more than in September 2007.

All told 765,558 foreclosure filings were made on U.S. properties in the 
third quarter of this year - up 3% from the second quarter and 71% from 
the same period last year.

"We have never seen a foreclosure cycle like this one before," said Rick 
Sharga, Realty Trac senior vice president. Other periods of elevated 
foreclosure rates have been preceded by signs of economic weakness. 
However, "in this cycle, we have foreclosure problems that have caused 
an economic downturn."

States step up

The most recent monthly dip in foreclosure filings was caused largely by 
decisions by several states to relax housing laws.

"Much of the 12% decrease in September can be attributed to changes in 
state laws that have at least temporarily slowed down the pace at which 
lenders are moving forward with foreclosures," Realty Trac CEO James 
Saccacio said in a statement.

For instance, California - one of the states hardest-hit states in the 
housing crisis - has a new law that requires banks to contact struggling 
homeowners at least 30 days before delivering a notice of default. 
That's helped to drastically slow the number of foreclosure filings in 
the state.

"In September, we saw California [defaults] drop 51% from the previous 
month," said Saccacio. "That had a big impact on the national numbers 
since California accounts for a third of the nation's foreclosure activity."

North Carolina passed a similar law, and notices of default there fell 
by 66% in September.

Unfortunately, even these extensions aren't saving most troubled 
borrowers. "The intention is very worthwhile, but I think the net result 
in most cases is simply delaying the inevitable," said Sharga.

"If a few homeowners are able to stay in their homes as a result of the 
legislation, then it had a positive effect," said Sharga. However, "the 
longer you are in foreclosure, the harder it becomes to pay the debt you 
owe to get out of foreclosure," he added.

Circumstances in Massachusetts illustrate his point. That state enacted 
a law back in May requiring lenders to give troubled homeowners 90 days 
notice before initiating foreclosure, which pushed the number of 
foreclosure filings it reported way down for several months. But in 
September, when the law expired, filings spiked.

"Initial foreclosure filings in Massachusetts jumped 465% from August to 
September after being much lower than normal in June, July and August," 
said Saccacio.

Nevada once again had the nation's highest foreclosure rate, with one 
out of ever 82 homes in foreclosure. Florida had the second highest rate 
in September, with one in every 178 homes in default. California came in 
third, with one in every 189 homes there receiving foreclosure filling 
last month.

Waiting to see what's next

As foreclosures continue to wreck havoc across the nation's housing 
market, the U.S. government has announced unprecedented efforts to 
absorb toxic debt and shore up investor confidence. The "Hope for 
Homeowners" rescue bill went into effect Oct. 1 
<http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/22/real_estate/help_for_homewoners/index.htm?postversion=2008102216> 
and will allow some troubled borrowers to refinance into mortgages 
backed by the Federal Housing Authority. And more recently, a massive 
financial rescue plan calls for Treasury to buy up troubled assets, 
mostly backed by bad loans, to stabilize the financial system 
<http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/21/news/economy/paulson_poll/index.htm?postversion=2008102206>.

However, as home buyers and lenders wait to see the effects of the 
plans, "there is a lot of uncertainty in the market right now," said Sharga.

Still, he thinks that the market could be nearing a bottom, even as 
uncertainty remains high.

"If everything goes right, we will be done with almost all the subprime 
loans by sometime in the first quarter of 2009," said Sharga. "The 
market could start to stabilize at that point."

The bad news: The housing market will be flooded with bank-owned homes. 
"We are estimating that by the end of this year, between one quarter and 
one third of all homes for sale will be bank owned properties," he said.

That could push down prices even more, perpetuating a vicious cycle, but 
it might also start to attract bargain hunters who may absorb some of 
the massive housing inventory.  To top of page 
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From edward_rynearson at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 23 12:46:15 2008
From: edward_rynearson at yahoo.com (Edward Rynearson)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 09:46:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Never seen video of E Howard Hunt discussing CIA
	plot to kill Kennedy
In-Reply-To: <mailman.22.1224778601.21365.citizenstruth@six.pairlist.net>
Message-ID: <408450.43603.qm@web30007.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thursday, October 23, 2008

In exclusive, never-before-seen footage, former CIA
operative E. Howard Hunt discusses his knowledge of
and participation in the plot to kill Kennedy in a
video testimony he gave shortly before his death. Alex
Jones? upcoming film will fully analyze the CIA-shadow
government coup that occurred inside the United States
45 years ago.

http://www.radiodujour.com/people/hunt_saint_john/

From mjkirk12 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 23 13:22:08 2008
From: mjkirk12 at yahoo.com (Mike Kirk)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:22:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Foreclosure filings spike 71%
In-Reply-To: <4900A30D.8060606@mailbag.com>
Message-ID: <136731.71429.qm@web83810.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>


I think we are witnessing the end of the Federal Reserve system and fiat money.? Back to barter and 'hard' (commodity) money.

Without good jobs, people cannot afford rising house payments (plus interest) and the mortgage/banking industry that supported it will have to collapse.? Besides, it was all money created out of thin air anyhow.

Government's solution:? Keep the printing press running!? That'll fix it....

Ron Paul (and others) told the truth - unfortunately nobody in charge is willing to listen.

Regards,

-Mike

--- On Thu, 10/23/08, Daniel Stafford <aqmstaffo at mailbag.com> wrote:
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Subject: [CitizensTruth] Foreclosure filings spike 71%
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      Foreclosure filings spike 71%
      Third quarter numbers saw a sharp rise
compared to last year; in September, 81,312 homes were repossessed by
lenders.
      By Catherine Clifford, CNNMoney.com
staff writer
      Last Updated: October 23, 2008: 11:32
AM ET
      
      NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The housing crisis still has a
choke hold
on America: In September, 81,312 homes were lost to foreclosure,
according to a report released Thursday.
      RealtyTrac, an online
marketer of foreclosed properties, said that 851,000 homes have been
repossessed by lenders since August 2007.
      In September, 265,968
troubled borrowers received foreclosure filings - such as default
notices, auction sale notices and bank repossessions. That's a decline
of 12% from the record high number of filings in August, but
21% more than in September 2007.
      All
told 765,558 foreclosure filings were made on U.S. properties in the
third quarter of this year - up 3% from the second quarter and 71% from
the same period last year.
      "We have never seen a foreclosure
cycle like this one before," said Rick Sharga, Realty Trac senior vice
president. Other periods of elevated foreclosure rates have been
preceded by signs of economic weakness. However, "in this cycle, we
have foreclosure problems that have caused an economic downturn."
      States step up
      The most recent monthly dip in foreclosure filings was caused
largely by decisions by several states to relax housing laws.
      "Much
of the 12% decrease in September can be attributed to changes in state
laws that have at least temporarily slowed down the pace at which
lenders are moving forward with foreclosures," Realty Trac CEO James
Saccacio said in a statement.
      For instance, California - one of
the states hardest-hit states in the housing crisis - has a new law
that requires banks to contact struggling homeowners at least 30 days
before delivering a notice of default. That's helped to drastically
slow the number of foreclosure filings in the state.
      "In
September, we saw California [defaults] drop 51% from the previous
month," said Saccacio. "That had a big impact on the national numbers
since California accounts for a third of the nation's foreclosure
activity."
      North Carolina passed a similar law, and notices of default
there fell by 66% in September.
      Unfortunately,
even these extensions aren't saving most troubled borrowers. "The
intention is very worthwhile, but I think the net result in most cases
is simply delaying the inevitable," said Sharga.
      "If a few
homeowners are able to stay in their homes as a result of the
legislation, then it had a positive effect," said Sharga. However, "the
longer you are in foreclosure, the harder it becomes to pay the debt
you owe to get out of foreclosure," he added.
      Circumstances in
Massachusetts illustrate his point. That state enacted a law back in
May requiring lenders to give troubled homeowners 90 days notice before
initiating foreclosure, which pushed the number of foreclosure filings
it reported way down for several months. But in September, when the law
expired, filings spiked.
      "Initial foreclosure filings in
Massachusetts jumped 465% from August to September after being much
lower than normal in June, July and August," said Saccacio.
      Nevada
once again had the nation's highest foreclosure rate, with one out of
ever 82 homes in foreclosure. Florida had the second highest rate in
September, with one in every 178 homes in default. California came in
third, with one in every 189 homes there receiving foreclosure filling
last month.
      Waiting to see what's next
      As
foreclosures continue to wreck havoc across the nation's housing
market, the U.S. government has announced unprecedented efforts to
absorb toxic debt and shore up investor confidence. The "Hope for Homeowners" rescue bill went into effect
Oct. 1
and will allow some troubled borrowers to refinance into mortgages
backed by the Federal Housing Authority. And more recently, a massive
financial rescue plan calls for Treasury to buy up troubled assets, mostly backed by
bad loans, to stabilize the financial system.
      However,
as home buyers and lenders wait to see the effects of the plans, "there
is a lot of uncertainty in the market right now," said Sharga.
      Still, he thinks that the market could be nearing a bottom,
even as uncertainty remains high.
      "If
everything goes right, we will be done with almost all the subprime
loans by sometime in the first quarter of 2009," said Sharga. "The
market could start to stabilize at that point."
      The bad news: The
housing market will be flooded with bank-owned homes. "We are
estimating that by the end of this year, between one quarter and one
third of all homes for sale will be bank owned properties," he said.
      That
could push down prices even more, perpetuating a vicious cycle, but it
might also start to attract bargain hunters who may absorb some of the
massive housing inventory. ?
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From geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com  Thu Oct 23 15:46:36 2008
From: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com (Geri Perry)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:46:36 -0500
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Foreclosure filings spike 71%
In-Reply-To: <136731.71429.qm@web83810.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <136731.71429.qm@web83810.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4900D49C.7050800@thetwofacesofmoney.com>

Mike etal,

I hope and pray we are witnessing the end of the Fed, but we have to be 
careful what it is we put in its place. For that we need to understand 
the true function of money.

Money is a medium of exchange - nothing more nothing less. An item 
becomes money when involved parties decide to accept the medium. So in 
the past everything from beads and shells to wheat and cattle to iron 
and gold to  paper - and even, as in FRNs,  "promises to pay" - have 
been used as money. Today about 1900 communities world wide are 
partially operating with a version of "hour dollars." So time is money 
in these communities, and barter is a method of exchange in various 
parts of the world even today.

During the Depression scrip was issued - and used - by local communities 
- and FDR made gold and silver ILLEGAL. So much for hard money - but 
barter is and always has been an option because it only needs two people 
to agree on the value of whatever is exchanged. Barter just happens to 
be a much more cumbersome medium of exchange than "fiat" money which has 
a universallyrecognized value.

As to fiat money, this is simply something that is authorized or 
sanctioned (by the state) to be money. Thus, cow dung and gold alike 
could be money if the state declared it to be. You and I, operating 
outside the state-sanctioned money system might prefer to barter, or use 
"hour dollars" instead.

THE PROBLEM IS THE MONETARY SYSTEM WHICH CURRENTLY ALLOWS THE BANKING 
SYSTEM TO CREATE MONEY OUT OF DEBT. This is why debt is exploding - both 
public and private. It has NOTHING to do with WHAT is used as money, 
EVERYTHING to do with how money is brought into circulation. Even worse 
-derivatives have allowed an "off-balance sheet" money supply to be 
created by a privileged few, and as the corresponding debt collapses you 
and I are asked to rescue the system. (For more, check this series of 
articles by yours truly explains what is occurring with derivatives: 
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_3802.shtml )

A monetary system is simply a method of keeping track of the flow in and 
out of the system of the chosen medium of exchange. Our monetary 
authority is the Federal Reserve System, which in turn is coordinated - 
along with central banks around the world by the BIS.

Constitutionally the Congress is charged with the responsibility and 
authority to act as the monetary authority through the phrase "The 
Congress shall have the Power  . . .  To coin - as in create - money and 
regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin." Conversely, the states 
are limited by the Constitution in terms of what they can use as money 
by the phrase "No state shall MAKE any Thing but gold and silver Coin a 
tender in Payments of debts." Thus the states are and always have been 
free to use any money the Congress creates, although they can if they 
like MAKE gold or silver coin as money (not a good thing when you 
realize that precious metals are controlled by the globalists.

(See my website for lots of documentation on all of this, beginning with 
this scholarly article on the Constitutionality of paper money: 
http://www.umt.edu/law/faculty/natelson/articles/Coinage%20Clause.pdf  
and this one on Inflation, especially paragraph 4 beginning with 
"Numbers also tell the tale: 
http://www.thetwofacesofmoney.com/index.php/Site/InflationHomePricesAndSpeculation  
)

gerip

Mike Kirk wrote:
>
> I think we are witnessing the end of the Federal Reserve system and 
> fiat money.  Back to barter and 'hard' (commodity) money.
>
> Without good jobs, people cannot afford rising house payments (plus 
> interest) and the mortgage/banking industry that supported it will 
> have to collapse.  Besides, it was all money created out of thin air 
> anyhow.
>
> Government's solution:  Keep the printing press running!  That'll fix 
> it....
>
> Ron Paul (and others) told the truth - unfortunately nobody in charge 
> is willing to listen.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Mike
>
> --- On *Thu, 10/23/08, Daniel Stafford /<aqmstaffo at mailbag.com>/* wrote:
>
>     From: Daniel Stafford <aqmstaffo at mailbag.com>
>     Subject: [CitizensTruth] Foreclosure filings spike 71%
>     To: "IL Progressive Dems" <PDI at illinoisprogressives.org>,
>     "AB_Progressives" <AB_Progressives at yahoogroups.com>, "Progressive"
>     <progressive at yahoogroups.com>, DiehardDems at yahoogroups.com,
>     "Citizen's Truth" <CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net>
>     Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 11:15 AM
>
>     http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/23/real_estate/foreclosures/index.htm?postversion=2008102305
>
>     Maybe we should all just move into tents and trailers and tell the
>     banks to shove the houses sideways. - D.
>
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>
>
>         Third quarter numbers saw a sharp rise compared to last year;
>         in September, 81,312 homes were repossessed by lenders.
>
>     By Catherine Clifford, CNNMoney.com staff writer
>     Last Updated: October 23, 2008: 11:32 AM ET
>
>     NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The housing crisis still has a choke
>     hold on America: In September, 81,312 homes were lost to
>     foreclosure, according to a report released Thursday.
>
>     RealtyTrac, an online marketer of foreclosed properties, said that
>     851,000 homes have been repossessed by lenders since August 2007.
>
>     In September, 265,968 troubled borrowers received foreclosure
>     filings - such as default notices, auction sale notices and bank
>     repossessions. That's a decline of 12% from the record high number
>     of filings in August
>     <http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/12/real_estate/foreclosures/>, but
>     21% more than in September 2007.
>
>     All told 765,558 foreclosure filings were made on U.S. properties
>     in the third quarter of this year - up 3% from the second quarter
>     and 71% from the same period last year.
>
>     "We have never seen a foreclosure cycle like this one before,"
>     said Rick Sharga, Realty Trac senior vice president. Other periods
>     of elevated foreclosure rates have been preceded by signs of
>     economic weakness. However, "in this cycle, we have foreclosure
>     problems that have caused an economic downturn."
>
>     States step up
>
>     The most recent monthly dip in foreclosure filings was caused
>     largely by decisions by several states to relax housing laws.
>
>     "Much of the 12% decrease in September can be attributed to
>     changes in state laws that have at least temporarily slowed down
>     the pace at which lenders are moving forward with foreclosures,"
>     Realty Trac CEO James Saccacio said in a statement.
>
>     For instance, California - one of the states hardest-hit states in
>     the housing crisis - has a new law that requires banks to contact
>     struggling homeowners at least 30 days before delivering a notice
>     of default. That's helped to drastically slow the number of
>     foreclosure filings in the state.
>
>     "In September, we saw California [defaults] drop 51% from the
>     previous month," said Saccacio. "That had a big impact on the
>     national numbers since California accounts for a third of the
>     nation's foreclosure activity."
>
>     North Carolina passed a similar law, and notices of default there
>     fell by 66% in September.
>
>     Unfortunately, even these extensions aren't saving most troubled
>     borrowers. "The intention is very worthwhile, but I think the net
>     result in most cases is simply delaying the inevitable," said Sharga.
>
>     "If a few homeowners are able to stay in their homes as a result
>     of the legislation, then it had a positive effect," said Sharga.
>     However, "the longer you are in foreclosure, the harder it becomes
>     to pay the debt you owe to get out of foreclosure," he added.
>
>     Circumstances in Massachusetts illustrate his point. That state
>     enacted a law back in May requiring lenders to give troubled
>     homeowners 90 days notice before initiating foreclosure, which
>     pushed the number of foreclosure filings it reported way down for
>     several months. But in September, when the law expired, filings
>     spiked.
>
>     "Initial foreclosure filings in Massachusetts jumped 465% from
>     August to September after being much lower than normal in June,
>     July and August," said Saccacio.
>
>     Nevada once again had the nation's highest foreclosure rate, with
>     one out of ever 82 homes in foreclosure. Florida had the second
>     highest rate in September, with one in every 178 homes in default.
>     California came in third, with one in every 189 homes there
>     receiving foreclosure filling last month.
>
>     Waiting to see what's next
>
>     As foreclosures continue to wreck havoc across the nation's
>     housing market, the U.S. government has announced unprecedented
>     efforts to absorb toxic debt and shore up investor confidence. The
>     "Hope for Homeowners" rescue bill went into effect Oct. 1
>     <http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/22/real_estate/help_for_homewoners/index.htm?postversion=2008102216>
>     and will allow some troubled borrowers to refinance into mortgages
>     backed by the Federal Housing Authority. And more recently, a
>     massive financial rescue plan calls for Treasury to buy up
>     troubled assets, mostly backed by bad loans, to stabilize the
>     financial system
>     <http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/21/news/economy/paulson_poll/index.htm?postversion=2008102206>.
>
>     However, as home buyers and lenders wait to see the effects of the
>     plans, "there is a lot of uncertainty in the market right now,"
>     said Sharga.
>
>     Still, he thinks that the market could be nearing a bottom, even
>     as uncertainty remains high.
>
>     "If everything goes right, we will be done with almost all the
>     subprime loans by sometime in the first quarter of 2009," said
>     Sharga. "The market could start to stabilize at that point."
>
>     The bad news: The housing market will be flooded with bank-owned
>     homes. "We are estimating that by the end of this year, between
>     one quarter and one third of all homes for sale will be bank owned
>     properties," he said.
>
>     That could push down prices even more, perpetuating a vicious
>     cycle, but it might also start to attract bargain hunters who may
>     absorb some of the massive housing inventory.  To top of page
>     <http://cnnmoney.printthis.clickability.com/pt/cpt?action=cpt&title=Foreclosure+filings+spike+71%25+in+3rd+quarter+-+Oct.+23%2C+2008&expire=-1&urlID=31895100&fb=Y&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmoney.cnn.com%2F2008%2F10%2F23%2Freal_estate%2Fforeclosures%2Findex.htm%3Fpostversion%3D2008102305&partnerID=2200#TOP>
>
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>
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From mjkirk12 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 23 16:38:16 2008
From: mjkirk12 at yahoo.com (Mike Kirk)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 13:38:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Foreclosure filings spike 71%
In-Reply-To: <4900D49C.7050800@thetwofacesofmoney.com>
Message-ID: <24057.20603.qm@web83806.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>


Given people's experience with other well-intentioned 'government programs', I can't see how the clueless politicians will convince their constituents to accept this new monetary utopia.? Eventually the politicians (and lobbyists) will figure out how to work the system and start up the printing press again.?? Polls show that 54% of the "we the people" opposed the recent bank bailouts - but it was passed into law anyhow.

Let them issue debt free money, but also give 'we the people' the freedom to use hard (commodity) money or 'hour dollars"? if we so desire.? Eliminate the legal tender laws and stop fractional reserve banking as first steps.

As soon as the US finds another 'national emergency' or has to fight another war for 'democracy', they would finance it by turning on the money spigot.? The US is not an exception, it applies to all governments around the globe with central banks and power hungry politicians.

As G. Edward Griffin ("Creature from Jekyll Island") points out (from a previous exchange on Zeitgeist):??It never ceases to amaze me how people think
that the solution to money created out of nothing by those big, bad bankers is
to have money created out of nothing by those nice, trustworthy politicians.

Neither bankers nor politicians can be trusted with complete control of a monetary system.?? They can enforce regulations, yes, but the power of what is used for money has to be left to the people to decide - to reduce the opportunity for fiscal fraud.

Regards,
Mike

--- On Thu, 10/23/08, Geri Perry <geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com> wrote:
From: Geri Perry <geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com>
Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] Foreclosure filings spike 71%
To: "Mike Kirk" <mjkirk12 at yahoo.com>
Cc: "Citizen's Truth" <CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net>
Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 2:46 PM

Mike etal,

I hope and pray we are witnessing the end of the Fed, but we have to be 
careful what it is we put in its place. For that we need to understand 
the true function of money.

Money is a medium of exchange - nothing more nothing less. An item 
becomes money when involved parties decide to accept the medium. So in 
the past everything from beads and shells to wheat and cattle to iron 
and gold to  paper - and even, as in FRNs,  "promises to pay" - have 
been used as money. Today about 1900 communities world wide are 
partially operating with a version of "hour dollars." So time is
money 
in these communities, and barter is a method of exchange in various 
parts of the world even today.

During the Depression scrip was issued - and used - by local communities 
- and FDR made gold and silver ILLEGAL. So much for hard money - but 
barter is and always has been an option because it only needs two people 
to agree on the value of whatever is exchanged. Barter just happens to 
be a much more cumbersome medium of exchange than "fiat" money which
has 
a universallyrecognized value.

As to fiat money, this is simply something that is authorized or 
sanctioned (by the state) to be money. Thus, cow dung and gold alike 
could be money if the state declared it to be. You and I, operating 
outside the state-sanctioned money system might prefer to barter, or use 
"hour dollars" instead.

THE PROBLEM IS THE MONETARY SYSTEM WHICH CURRENTLY ALLOWS THE BANKING 
SYSTEM TO CREATE MONEY OUT OF DEBT. This is why debt is exploding - both 
public and private. It has NOTHING to do with WHAT is used as money, 
EVERYTHING to do with how money is brought into circulation. Even worse 
-derivatives have allowed an "off-balance sheet" money supply to be 
created by a privileged few, and as the corresponding debt collapses you 
and I are asked to rescue the system. (For more, check this series of 
articles by yours truly explains what is occurring with derivatives: 
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_3802.shtml )

A monetary system is simply a method of keeping track of the flow in and 
out of the system of the chosen medium of exchange. Our monetary 
authority is the Federal Reserve System, which in turn is coordinated - 
along with central banks around the world by the BIS.

Constitutionally the Congress is charged with the responsibility and 
authority to act as the monetary authority through the phrase "The 
Congress shall have the Power  . . .  To coin - as in create - money and 
regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin." Conversely, the states 
are limited by the Constitution in terms of what they can use as money 
by the phrase "No state shall MAKE any Thing but gold and silver Coin a 
tender in Payments of debts." Thus the states are and always have been 
free to use any money the Congress creates, although they can if they 
like MAKE gold or silver coin as money (not a good thing when you 
realize that precious metals are controlled by the globalists.

(See my website for lots of documentation on all of this, beginning with 
this scholarly article on the Constitutionality of paper money: 
http://www.umt.edu/law/faculty/natelson/articles/Coinage%20Clause.pdf  
and this one on Inflation, especially paragraph 4 beginning with 
"Numbers also tell the tale: 
http://www.thetwofacesofmoney.com/index.php/Site/InflationHomePricesAndSpeculation
 
)

gerip

Mike Kirk wrote:
>
> I think we are witnessing the end of the Federal Reserve system and 
> fiat money.  Back to barter and 'hard' (commodity) money.
>
> Without good jobs, people cannot afford rising house payments (plus 
> interest) and the mortgage/banking industry that supported it will 
> have to collapse.  Besides, it was all money created out of thin air 
> anyhow.
>
> Government's solution:  Keep the printing press running!  That'll
fix 
> it....
>
> Ron Paul (and others) told the truth - unfortunately nobody in charge 
> is willing to listen.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Mike
>
> --- On *Thu, 10/23/08, Daniel Stafford /<aqmstaffo at mailbag.com>/*
wrote:
>
>     From: Daniel Stafford <aqmstaffo at mailbag.com>
>     Subject: [CitizensTruth] Foreclosure filings spike 71%
>     To: "IL Progressive Dems"
<PDI at illinoisprogressives.org>,
>     "AB_Progressives" <AB_Progressives at yahoogroups.com>,
"Progressive"
>     <progressive at yahoogroups.com>, DiehardDems at yahoogroups.com,
>     "Citizen's Truth" <CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net>
>     Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 11:15 AM
>
>    
http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/23/real_estate/foreclosures/index.htm?postversion=2008102305
>
>     Maybe we should all just move into tents and trailers and tell the
>     banks to shove the houses sideways. - D.
>
>
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>
>       Foreclosure filings spike 71%
>
>
>         Third quarter numbers saw a sharp rise compared to last year;
>         in September, 81,312 homes were repossessed by lenders.
>
>     By Catherine Clifford, CNNMoney.com staff writer
>     Last Updated: October 23, 2008: 11:32 AM ET
>
>     NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The housing crisis still has a choke
>     hold on America: In September, 81,312 homes were lost to
>     foreclosure, according to a report released Thursday.
>
>     RealtyTrac, an online marketer of foreclosed properties, said that
>     851,000 homes have been repossessed by lenders since August 2007.
>
>     In September, 265,968 troubled borrowers received foreclosure
>     filings - such as default notices, auction sale notices and bank
>     repossessions. That's a decline of 12% from the record high number
>     of filings in August
>     <http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/12/real_estate/foreclosures/>, but
>     21% more than in September 2007.
>
>     All told 765,558 foreclosure filings were made on U.S. properties
>     in the third quarter of this year - up 3% from the second quarter
>     and 71% from the same period last year.
>
>     "We have never seen a foreclosure cycle like this one
before,"
>     said Rick Sharga, Realty Trac senior vice president. Other periods
>     of elevated foreclosure rates have been preceded by signs of
>     economic weakness. However, "in this cycle, we have foreclosure
>     problems that have caused an economic downturn."
>
>     States step up
>
>     The most recent monthly dip in foreclosure filings was caused
>     largely by decisions by several states to relax housing laws.
>
>     "Much of the 12% decrease in September can be attributed to
>     changes in state laws that have at least temporarily slowed down
>     the pace at which lenders are moving forward with foreclosures,"
>     Realty Trac CEO James Saccacio said in a statement.
>
>     For instance, California - one of the states hardest-hit states in
>     the housing crisis - has a new law that requires banks to contact
>     struggling homeowners at least 30 days before delivering a notice
>     of default. That's helped to drastically slow the number of
>     foreclosure filings in the state.
>
>     "In September, we saw California [defaults] drop 51% from the
>     previous month," said Saccacio. "That had a big impact on
the
>     national numbers since California accounts for a third of the
>     nation's foreclosure activity."
>
>     North Carolina passed a similar law, and notices of default there
>     fell by 66% in September.
>
>     Unfortunately, even these extensions aren't saving most troubled
>     borrowers. "The intention is very worthwhile, but I think the net
>     result in most cases is simply delaying the inevitable," said
Sharga.
>
>     "If a few homeowners are able to stay in their homes as a result
>     of the legislation, then it had a positive effect," said Sharga.
>     However, "the longer you are in foreclosure, the harder it
becomes
>     to pay the debt you owe to get out of foreclosure," he added.
>
>     Circumstances in Massachusetts illustrate his point. That state
>     enacted a law back in May requiring lenders to give troubled
>     homeowners 90 days notice before initiating foreclosure, which
>     pushed the number of foreclosure filings it reported way down for
>     several months. But in September, when the law expired, filings
>     spiked.
>
>     "Initial foreclosure filings in Massachusetts jumped 465% from
>     August to September after being much lower than normal in June,
>     July and August," said Saccacio.
>
>     Nevada once again had the nation's highest foreclosure rate, with
>     one out of ever 82 homes in foreclosure. Florida had the second
>     highest rate in September, with one in every 178 homes in default.
>     California came in third, with one in every 189 homes there
>     receiving foreclosure filling last month.
>
>     Waiting to see what's next
>
>     As foreclosures continue to wreck havoc across the nation's
>     housing market, the U.S. government has announced unprecedented
>     efforts to absorb toxic debt and shore up investor confidence. The
>     "Hope for Homeowners" rescue bill went into effect Oct. 1
>    
<http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/22/real_estate/help_for_homewoners/index.htm?postversion=2008102216>
>     and will allow some troubled borrowers to refinance into mortgages
>     backed by the Federal Housing Authority. And more recently, a
>     massive financial rescue plan calls for Treasury to buy up
>     troubled assets, mostly backed by bad loans, to stabilize the
>     financial system
>    
<http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/21/news/economy/paulson_poll/index.htm?postversion=2008102206>.
>
>     However, as home buyers and lenders wait to see the effects of the
>     plans, "there is a lot of uncertainty in the market right
now,"
>     said Sharga.
>
>     Still, he thinks that the market could be nearing a bottom, even
>     as uncertainty remains high.
>
>     "If everything goes right, we will be done with almost all the
>     subprime loans by sometime in the first quarter of 2009," said
>     Sharga. "The market could start to stabilize at that point."
>
>     The bad news: The housing market will be flooded with bank-owned
>     homes. "We are estimating that by the end of this year, between
>     one quarter and one third of all homes for sale will be bank owned
>     properties," he said.
>
>     That could push down prices even more, perpetuating a vicious
>     cycle, but it might also start to attract bargain hunters who may
>     absorb some of the massive housing inventory.  To top of page
>    
<http://cnnmoney.printthis.clickability.com/pt/cpt?action=cpt&title=Foreclosure+filings+spike+71%25+in+3rd+quarter+-+Oct.+23%2C+2008&expire=-1&urlID=31895100&fb=Y&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmoney.cnn.com%2F2008%2F10%2F23%2Freal_estate%2Fforeclosures%2Findex.htm%3Fpostversion%3D2008102305&partnerID=2200#TOP>
>
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From futurenotwritten at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 24 10:29:32 2008
From: futurenotwritten at yahoo.com (Jay Becker)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 07:29:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Dennis Loo: The Storms to Come
Message-ID: <256500.14143.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The Storms to Come: the
Elections, a November Surprise, and the Aftermath 
         
         
         
    
  


  
    
       Thursday, 23
October 2008
?http://www.worldcantwait.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5113&Itemid=289
      
    
    
      
      
      
      
      



       

      
      by Dennis Loo
       
      I have appended two news stories, the first
from The
Hill, ?The Police prepare for unrest,? and the other from the Washington
Post, ?On Al-Qaeda Websites, Joy
Over U.S. Crisis and Support for McCain.?
       
      The
GOP ticket?s in a heap of trouble, with Palin hurting the ticket, and
McCain appearing increasingly desperate and being forced to try to
defend traditionally rock-solid GOP states in the face of a surge of
support for Obama after the Wall Street crisis struck.
       
      Revulsion for the Bush regime and for
McCarthyist baiting by the GOP is evident everywhere.
       
      At
the same time, the reactionary and fascist wind being whipped up by the
GOP and its supporters is intensifying. At Western Carolina University
in North Carolina on Monday, for example, a murdered bear
cub wrapped in Obama posters was discovered.
       
      Some
people are exultant that Obama?s going to win. He?s clearly got a lead
that barring a dramatic event should, if the votes are even mostly
counted, give him the presidency.
       
      However,
as the two following stories underscore, a November surprise is going
to happen, one way or the other, whether Obama wins or doesn't. Even
though he is clearly backed by very powerful ruling class interests and
even though his politics are solidly and entirely in service of their
interests, the fact remains that in the minds of the most backward
sectors of the society, he's still a black man.?
       
      The
people who stole the last two elections are still around and still are
hellbent to take permanent control over the society and the world. They
believe that they have God on their side. They have demonstrated time
and time again that they regard no trick, no stratagem, and no action
beneath them, including torture, assassination and murder.

      Even
if Obama does win, the contradictions that are on boil in the world,
especially in places like Afghanistan and Pakistan, the troubles at
home, and the worldwide financial crisis will not subside. They will
intensify. The fascist forces that the GOP has been cultivating for
some time and the reactionaries in our society will not fold up their
tents and retire to Bermuda should they lose this election.?
       
      The next several weeks are going to be tumultuous,
dramatic, and perilous.?
      Hold
onto your hats, hold onto your heads, and realize that nothing that you
thought was ever-lasting and immune from radical or revolutionary
changes, for good or ill, is as permanent as it may have seemed.

    Declare It Now! Wear Orange!
Impeach Bush & Cheney for War Crimes
& Crimes against Humanity!



      
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From edward_rynearson at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 24 18:35:52 2008
From: edward_rynearson at yahoo.com (Edward Rynearson)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:35:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] I tend to vote Democratic,
	supported Ron Paul this time around and this looks very suspicous
Message-ID: <920594.17293.qm@web30004.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Friday, October 24, 2008

Michael Savage interviews Democrat attorney Philip J.
Berg, former deputy attorney general of Pennsylvania,
about his lawsuit demanding Barack Obama present his
original birth certificate to prove he was born in the
United States and qualified to serve as president. 

http://www.radiodujour.com/people/berg_philip/

From edward_rynearson at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 25 15:38:39 2008
From: edward_rynearson at yahoo.com (Edward Rynearson)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 12:38:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] updated Philip Berg page
Message-ID: <145049.45140.qm@web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

What's up with this?

First let me share my bias . . . . I supported Ron
Paul and Dennis Kucinich in the primaries. I am
currently supporting the Green Party ticket for all
public offices. Their presidential candidate happens
to be a dark skinned woman and the VP candidate is a
Hispanic woman so when a person calls me a racist
(they have), I simply call him/her a misogynist. I
voted for Barack Obama and Richard Durbin in the US
Senate race. I view McCain/Palin as a sick joke. 

I live in Illinois where all electoral college votes
will be delivered to the Junior Senator regardless of
how I vote. If the votes are counted, Senator Obama
will be the next president of the United States . . .
end of story.

But why doesn't the following information warrant a
story on CBS, NBC, ABC news regardless of whether
Philip Berg's claims are true or false (do your own
research). I mean Sarah Palin's clothes are a story
but this is not?

Senator Obama's "lost" brother discovered in the slums
of Kenya . . Senator Obama's father is from Kenya
 
When asked to produce an official birth certificate,
the Obama campaign saw fit to "release" it not to the
U.S. District Court but to FactCheck.org which is run
by the Annenberg Public Policy Center which has
connections to the Senator
 
Obama's Grandmother states that he was born in Kenyan
and that she was present for the birth (The birth
"document" delivered to factcheck.org states he was
born in Hawaii) 

An author of a book critical of Senator Obama was
arrested while entering Kenya by immigration
authorities (participating in a press conference made
him a "worker" and not a "visitor") 

Former Deputy Attorney General Philip Berg of the
State of Pennsylvannia (he is described by most news
stories as "local attorney") files suit against
Senator Obama in Federal Court where it is thrown out
leaving questions unanswered (show us the birth
certificate and this all goes away) 

Regardless of how you feel about any of the
candidates, it sure looks like Senator Obama is hiding
something and I'm really sick of the fourth estate not
doing it's job.

http://www.radiodujour.com/people/berg_philip/


From mjkirk12 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 25 15:54:45 2008
From: mjkirk12 at yahoo.com (Mike Kirk)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 12:54:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] updated Philip Berg page
In-Reply-To: <145049.45140.qm@web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <905304.43268.qm@web83813.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Hey,

I know what the Constitution states, but since we import everything else in the US, perhaps it is time to "import" a President.?? I am sure he could do no worse than our homegrown ones.

-Mike

--- On Sat, 10/25/08, Edward Rynearson <edward_rynearson at yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Edward Rynearson <edward_rynearson at yahoo.com>
Subject: [CitizensTruth] updated Philip Berg page
To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net
Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 2:38 PM

What's up with this?

First let me share my bias . . . . I supported Ron
Paul and Dennis Kucinich in the primaries. I am
currently supporting the Green Party ticket for all
public offices. Their presidential candidate happens
to be a dark skinned woman and the VP candidate is a
Hispanic woman so when a person calls me a racist
(they have), I simply call him/her a misogynist. I
voted for Barack Obama and Richard Durbin in the US
Senate race. I view McCain/Palin as a sick joke. 

I live in Illinois where all electoral college votes
will be delivered to the Junior Senator regardless of
how I vote. If the votes are counted, Senator Obama
will be the next president of the United States . . .
end of story.

But why doesn't the following information warrant a
story on CBS, NBC, ABC news regardless of whether
Philip Berg's claims are true or false (do your own
research). I mean Sarah Palin's clothes are a story
but this is not?

Senator Obama's "lost" brother discovered in the slums
of Kenya . . Senator Obama's father is from Kenya
 
When asked to produce an official birth certificate,
the Obama campaign saw fit to "release" it not to the
U.S. District Court but to FactCheck.org which is run
by the Annenberg Public Policy Center which has
connections to the Senator
 
Obama's Grandmother states that he was born in Kenyan
and that she was present for the birth (The birth
"document" delivered to factcheck.org states he was
born in Hawaii) 

An author of a book critical of Senator Obama was
arrested while entering Kenya by immigration
authorities (participating in a press conference made
him a "worker" and not a "visitor") 

Former Deputy Attorney General Philip Berg of the
State of Pennsylvannia (he is described by most news
stories as "local attorney") files suit against
Senator Obama in Federal Court where it is thrown out
leaving questions unanswered (show us the birth
certificate and this all goes away) 

Regardless of how you feel about any of the
candidates, it sure looks like Senator Obama is hiding
something and I'm really sick of the fourth estate not
doing it's job.

http://www.radiodujour.com/people/berg_philip/

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From geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com  Sat Oct 25 17:02:27 2008
From: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com (Geri Perry)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 16:02:27 -0500
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Foreclosure filings spike 71%
In-Reply-To: <24057.20603.qm@web83806.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <24057.20603.qm@web83806.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <49038963.1070406@thetwofacesofmoney.com>

Mike etal,

No one ever said money should be created by trustworthy politicians, an 
oxymoron if there ever was one. (This actually says less about 
politicians than it does about the pressure brought to bear on them - 
and all of us - by what I call the man-made god of ancient Babylonia).

IMO, and as described in my book and on my website honest monetary 
systems need transparency far more than "honest" administrators.

And a good portion of the money creation power should rest with local 
and state governments.

Enter "Public Credit Money system" which can be codified into law and 
managed by a small handful of 5th grade math formulas - and, very 
importantly - half of the money creation power would be placed in the 
hands of local and state entities:  
http://www.thetwofacesofmoney.com/index.php/Site/SlidePresentation

Under this system, any federal project - including war - would require 
careful scrutiny and authorization of the people since any "money" 
created for it would need to be "extinguished" with Constitutionally 
appropriates taxes or a fee of some sort. (This said, ALL taxes and 
interest fees would go DOWN EXPONENTIALLY, and America would become 
vested in her people and resources instead of being sold into bondage to 
the international financiers (for lack of a better description).

Much more to this but this is part of the reason why I say that 
dissolving the Fed is NOT NEARLY ENOUGH. We need to dissolve the power 
structure that surrounds the Fed, beginning with the Reconstruction 
Amendments. Reasons given are in my book.

gerip

Mike Kirk wrote:
>
> Given people's experience with other well-intentioned 'government 
> programs', I can't see how the clueless politicians will convince 
> their constituents to accept this new monetary utopia.  Eventually the 
> politicians (and lobbyists) will figure out how to work the system and 
> start up the printing press again.   Polls show that 54% of the "we 
> the people" opposed the recent bank bailouts - but it was passed into 
> law anyhow.
>
> Let them issue debt free money, but also give 'we the people' the 
> freedom to use hard (commodity) money or 'hour dollars"  if we so 
> desire.  Eliminate the legal tender laws and stop fractional reserve 
> banking as first steps.
>
> As soon as the US finds another 'national emergency' or has to fight 
> another war for 'democracy', they would finance it by turning on the 
> money spigot.  The US is not an exception, it applies to all 
> governments around the globe with central banks and power hungry 
> politicians.
>
> As G. Edward Griffin ("Creature from Jekyll Island") points out (from 
> a previous exchange on Zeitgeist):  It never ceases to amaze me how 
> people think that the solution to money created out of nothing by 
> those big, bad bankers is to have money created out of nothing by 
> those nice, trustworthy politicians.
>
> Neither bankers nor politicians can be trusted with complete control 
> of a monetary system.   They can enforce regulations, yes, but the 
> power of what is used for money has to be left to the people to decide 
> - to reduce the opportunity for fiscal fraud.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
> --- On *Thu, 10/23/08, Geri Perry /<geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com>/* wrote:
>
>     From: Geri Perry <geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com>
>     Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] Foreclosure filings spike 71%
>     To: "Mike Kirk" <mjkirk12 at yahoo.com>
>     Cc: "Citizen's Truth" <CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net>
>     Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 2:46 PM
>
>     Mike etal,
>
>     I hope and pray we are witnessing the end of the Fed, but we have to be
>      
>     careful what it is we put in its place. For that we need to understand 
>     the true function of money.
>
>     Money is a medium of exchange - nothing more nothing less. An item 
>     becomes money when involved parties decide to accept the medium. So in 
>     the past everything from beads and shells to wheat and cattle to iron 
>     and gold to  paper - and even, as in FRNs,  "promises to pay" - have 
>     been used as money. Today about 1900 communities world wide are 
>     partially operating with a version of "hour dollars." So time is
>     money 
>     in these communities, and barter is a method of exchange in various 
>     parts of the world even today.
>
>     During the Depression scrip was issued - and used - by local communities 
>     - and FDR made gold and silver ILLEGAL. So much for hard money - but 
>     barter is and always has been an option because it only needs two people 
>     to agree on the value of whatever is exchanged. Barter just happens to 
>     be
>      a much more cumbersome medium of exchange than "fiat" money which
>     has 
>     a universallyrecognized value.
>
>     As to fiat money, this is simply something that is authorized or 
>     sanctioned (by the state) to be money. Thus, cow dung and gold alike 
>     could be money if the state declared it to be. You and I, operating 
>     outside the state-sanctioned money system might prefer to barter, or use 
>     "hour dollars" instead.
>
>     THE PROBLEM IS THE MONETARY SYSTEM WHICH CURRENTLY ALLOWS THE BANKING 
>     SYSTEM TO CREATE MONEY OUT OF DEBT. This is why debt is exploding - both 
>     public and private. It has NOTHING to do with WHAT is used as money, 
>     EVERYTHING to do with how money is brought into circulation. Even worse 
>     -derivatives have allowed an "off-balance sheet" money supply to be 
>     created by a privileged few, and as the corresponding debt collapses you 
>     and I are asked to rescue the system. (For more, check this series of
>      
>     articles by yours truly explains what is occurring with derivatives: 
>     http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_3802.shtml )
>
>     A monetary system is simply a method of keeping track of the flow in and 
>     out of the system of the chosen medium of exchange. Our monetary 
>     authority is the Federal Reserve System, which in turn is coordinated - 
>     along with central banks around the world by the BIS.
>
>     Constitutionally the Congress is charged with the responsibility and 
>     authority to act as the monetary authority through the phrase "The 
>     Congress shall have the Power  . . .  To coin - as in create - money and 
>     regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin." Conversely, the states 
>     are limited by the Constitution in terms of what they can use as money 
>     by the phrase "No state shall MAKE any Thing but gold and silver Coin a 
>     tender in Payments of debts." Thus the states are and always have been 
>     free to use any
>      money the Congress creates, although they can if they 
>     like MAKE gold or silver coin as money (not a good thing when you 
>     realize that precious metals are controlled by the globalists.
>
>     (See my website for lots of documentation on all of this, beginning with 
>     this scholarly article on the Constitutionality of paper money: 
>     http://www.umt.edu/law/faculty/natelson/articles/Coinage%20Clause.pdf  
>     and this one on Inflation, especially paragraph 4 beginning with 
>     "Numbers also tell the tale: 
>     http://www.thetwofacesofmoney.com/index.php/Site/InflationHomePricesAndSpeculation
>      
>     )
>
>     gerip
>
>     Mike Kirk wrote:
>     >
>     > I think we are witnessing the end of the Federal Reserve system and 
>     > fiat money.  Back to barter and 'hard' (commodity) money.
>     >
>     > Without good jobs, people cannot afford rising house payments (plus 
>     > interest) and the mortgage/banking industry that supported it will
>      
>     > have to collapse.  Besides, it was all money created out of thin air 
>     > anyhow.
>     >
>     > Government's solution:  Keep the printing press running!  That'll
>     fix 
>     > it....
>     >
>     > Ron Paul (and others) told the truth - unfortunately nobody in charge 
>     > is willing to listen.
>     >
>     > Regards,
>     >
>     > -Mike
>     >
>     > --- On *Thu, 10/23/08, Daniel Stafford /<aqmstaffo at mailbag.com>/*
>     wrote:
>     >
>     >     From: Daniel Stafford <aqmstaffo at mailbag.com>
>     >     Subject: [CitizensTruth] Foreclosure filings spike 71%
>     >     To: "IL Progressive Dems"
>     <PDI at illinoisprogressives.org>,
>     >     "AB_Progressives" <AB_Progressives at yahoogroups.com>,
>     "Progressive"
>     >     <progressive at yahoogroups.com>, DiehardDems at yahoogroups.com,
>     >     "Citizen's Truth" <CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net>
>     >     Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 11:15
>      AM
>     >
>     >    
>     http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/23/real_estate/foreclosures/index.htm?postversion=2008102305
>     >
>     >     Maybe we should all just move into tents and trailers and tell the
>     >     banks to shove the houses sideways. - D.
>     >
>     >
>     >      
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>     >
>     >
>     >         Third quarter numbers saw a sharp rise compared to last year;
>     >         in September, 81,312 homes were repossessed by lenders.
>     >
>     >     By Catherine Clifford, CNNMoney.com staff writer
>     >     Last Updated:
>      October 23, 2008: 11:32 AM ET
>     >
>     >     NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The housing crisis still has a choke
>     >     hold on America: In September, 81,312 homes were lost to
>     >     foreclosure, according to a report released Thursday.
>     >
>     >     RealtyTrac, an online marketer of foreclosed properties, said that
>     >     851,000 homes have been repossessed by lenders since August 2007.
>     >
>     >     In September, 265,968 troubled borrowers received foreclosure
>     >     filings - such as default notices, auction sale notices and bank
>     >     repossessions. That's a decline of 12% from the record high number
>     >     of filings in August
>     >     <http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/12/real_estate/foreclosures/>, but
>     >     21% more than in September 2007.
>     >
>     >     All told 765,558 foreclosure filings were made on U.S. properties
>     >     in the third quarter of this year - up 3% from the
>      second quarter
>     >     and 71% from the same period last year.
>     >
>     >     "We have never seen a foreclosure cycle like this one
>     before,"
>     >     said Rick Sharga, Realty Trac senior vice president. Other periods
>     >     of elevated foreclosure rates have been preceded by signs of
>     >     economic weakness. However, "in this cycle, we have foreclosure
>     >     problems that have caused an economic downturn."
>     >
>     >     States step up
>     >
>     >     The most recent monthly dip in foreclosure filings was caused
>     >     largely by decisions by several states to relax housing laws.
>     >
>     >     "Much of the 12% decrease in September can be attributed to
>     >     changes in state laws that have at least temporarily slowed down
>     >     the pace at which lenders are moving forward with foreclosures,"
>     >     Realty Trac CEO James Saccacio said in a statement.
>     >
>     >     For instance,
>      California - one of the states hardest-hit states in
>     >     the housing crisis - has a new law that requires banks to contact
>     >     struggling homeowners at least 30 days before delivering a notice
>     >     of default. That's helped to drastically slow the number of
>     >     foreclosure filings in the state.
>     >
>     >     "In September, we saw California [defaults] drop 51% from the
>     >     previous month," said Saccacio. "That had a big impact on
>     the
>     >     national numbers since California accounts for a third of the
>     >     nation's foreclosure activity."
>     >
>     >     North Carolina passed a similar law, and notices of default there
>     >     fell by 66% in September.
>     >
>     >     Unfortunately, even these extensions aren't saving most troubled
>     >     borrowers. "The intention is very worthwhile, but I think the net
>     >     result in most cases is simply delaying the inevitable,"
>      said
>     Sharga.
>     >
>     >     "If a few homeowners are able to stay in their homes as a result
>     >     of the legislation, then it had a positive effect," said Sharga.
>     >     However, "the longer you are in foreclosure, the harder it
>     becomes
>     >     to pay the debt you owe to get out of foreclosure," he added.
>     >
>     >     Circumstances in Massachusetts illustrate his point. That state
>     >     enacted a law back in May requiring lenders to give troubled
>     >     homeowners 90 days notice before initiating foreclosure, which
>     >     pushed the number of foreclosure filings it reported way down for
>     >     several months. But in September, when the law expired, filings
>     >     spiked.
>     >
>     >     "Initial foreclosure filings in Massachusetts jumped 465% from
>     >     August to September after being much lower than normal in June,
>     >     July and August," said Saccacio.
>     >
>     >    
>      Nevada once again had the nation's highest foreclosure rate, with
>     >     one out of ever 82 homes in foreclosure. Florida had the second
>     >     highest rate in September, with one in every 178 homes in default.
>     >     California came in third, with one in every 189 homes there
>     >     receiving foreclosure filling last month.
>     >
>     >     Waiting to see what's next
>     >
>     >     As foreclosures continue to wreck havoc across the nation's
>     >     housing market, the U.S. government has announced unprecedented
>     >     efforts to absorb toxic debt and shore up investor confidence. The
>     >     "Hope for Homeowners" rescue bill went into effect Oct. 1
>     >    
>     <http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/22/real_estate/help_for_homewoners/index.htm?postversion=2008102216>
>     >     and will allow some troubled borrowers to refinance into mortgages
>     >     backed by the Federal Housing Authority. And more
>      recently, a
>     >     massive financial rescue plan calls for Treasury to buy up
>     >     troubled assets, mostly backed by bad loans, to stabilize the
>     >     financial system
>     >    
>     <http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/21/news/economy/paulson_poll/index.htm?postversion=2008102206>.
>     >
>     >     However, as home buyers and lenders wait to see the effects of the
>     >     plans, "there is a lot of uncertainty in the market right
>     now,"
>     >     said Sharga.
>     >
>     >     Still, he thinks that the market could be nearing a bottom, even
>     >     as uncertainty remains high.
>     >
>     >     "If everything goes right, we will be done with almost all the
>     >     subprime loans by sometime in the first quarter of 2009," said
>     >     Sharga. "The market could start to stabilize at that point."
>     >
>     >     The bad news: The housing market will be flooded with bank-owned
>     >     homes. "We are
>      estimating that by the end of this year, between
>     >     one quarter and one third of all homes for sale will be bank owned
>     >     properties," he said.
>     >
>     >     That could push down prices even more, perpetuating a vicious
>     >     cycle, but it might also start to attract bargain hunters who may
>     >     absorb some of the massive housing inventory.  To top of page
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From richardfobes at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 25 23:17:04 2008
From: richardfobes at hotmail.com (Richard Fobes)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 22:17:04 -0500
Subject: [CitizensTruth] updated Philip Berg page
In-Reply-To: <145049.45140.qm@web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <145049.45140.qm@web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY128-W15DF661A2BBA15A638C94CD5250@phx.gbl>


Berg was William Rodriguez's attorney.  They split ways.  Rodriguez recently warned people about Berg.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but this may be a whole lot of nothing..



> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 12:38:39 -0700
> From: edward_rynearson at yahoo.com
> To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net
> Subject: [CitizensTruth] updated Philip Berg page
> 
> What's up with this?
> 
> First let me share my bias . . . . I supported Ron
> Paul and Dennis Kucinich in the primaries. I am
> currently supporting the Green Party ticket for all
> public offices. Their presidential candidate happens
> to be a dark skinned woman and the VP candidate is a
> Hispanic woman so when a person calls me a racist
> (they have), I simply call him/her a misogynist. I
> voted for Barack Obama and Richard Durbin in the US
> Senate race. I view McCain/Palin as a sick joke. 
> 
> I live in Illinois where all electoral college votes
> will be delivered to the Junior Senator regardless of
> how I vote. If the votes are counted, Senator Obama
> will be the next president of the United States . . .
> end of story.
> 
> But why doesn't the following information warrant a
> story on CBS, NBC, ABC news regardless of whether
> Philip Berg's claims are true or false (do your own
> research). I mean Sarah Palin's clothes are a story
> but this is not?
> 
> Senator Obama's "lost" brother discovered in the slums
> of Kenya . . Senator Obama's father is from Kenya
>  
> When asked to produce an official birth certificate,
> the Obama campaign saw fit to "release" it not to the
> U.S. District Court but to FactCheck.org which is run
> by the Annenberg Public Policy Center which has
> connections to the Senator
>  
> Obama's Grandmother states that he was born in Kenyan
> and that she was present for the birth (The birth
> "document" delivered to factcheck.org states he was
> born in Hawaii) 
> 
> An author of a book critical of Senator Obama was
> arrested while entering Kenya by immigration
> authorities (participating in a press conference made
> him a "worker" and not a "visitor") 
> 
> Former Deputy Attorney General Philip Berg of the
> State of Pennsylvannia (he is described by most news
> stories as "local attorney") files suit against
> Senator Obama in Federal Court where it is thrown out
> leaving questions unanswered (show us the birth
> certificate and this all goes away) 
> 
> Regardless of how you feel about any of the
> candidates, it sure looks like Senator Obama is hiding
> something and I'm really sick of the fourth estate not
> doing it's job.
> 
> http://www.radiodujour.com/people/berg_philip/
> 
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From dimension04 at sbcglobal.net  Sun Oct 26 07:36:40 2008
From: dimension04 at sbcglobal.net (Connie Smith)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 06:36:40 -0500
Subject: [CitizensTruth] updated Philip Berg page
In-Reply-To: <BAY128-W15DF661A2BBA15A638C94CD5250@phx.gbl>
References: <145049.45140.qm@web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<BAY128-W15DF661A2BBA15A638C94CD5250@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <F471CD1CE65C4082A498B55F1B500897@InspironConnie>


William Rodriguez warns about Berg, too?  Here are my own comments.

The Berg lawsuit has been circulating for months, doesn't seem to be able to 
advance in the courts -- I read once due to unverifiable documentation.

Isn't Berg well-known for being disinfo in 9/11?   That he set up Ellen 
Mariani's lawsuit against Bush et al to fail?  I thought that was well-known 
and his credibility has been dismissed. 

 


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Richard Fobes 
  To: edward_rynearson at yahoo.com ; citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net 
  Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 10:17 PM
  Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] updated Philip Berg page


  Berg was William Rodriguez's attorney.  They split ways.  Rodriguez recently warned people about Berg.

  Perhaps I'm wrong, but this may be a whole lot of nothing..



  > Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 12:38:39 -0700
  > From: edward_rynearson at yahoo.com
  > To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net
  > Subject: [CitizensTruth] updated Philip Berg page
  > 
  > What's up with this?
  > 
  > First let me share my bias . . . . I supported Ron
  > Paul and Dennis Kucinich in the primaries. I am
  > currently supporting the Green Party ticket for all
  > public offices. Their presidential candidate happens
  > to be a dark skinned woman and the VP candidate is a
  > Hispanic woman so when a person calls me a racist
  > (they have), I simply call him/her a misogynist. I
  > voted for Barack Obama and Richard Durbin in the US
  > Senate race. I view McCain/Palin as a sick joke. 
  > 
  > I live in Illinois where all electoral college votes
  > will be delivered to the Junior Senator regardless of
  > how I vote. If the votes are counted, Senator Obama
  > will be the next president of the United States . . .
  > end of story.
  > 
  > But why doesn't the following information warrant a
  > story on CBS, NBC, ABC news regardless of whether
  > Philip Berg's claims are true or false (do your own
  > research). I mean Sarah Palin's clothes are a story
  > but this is not?
  > 
  > Senator Obama's "lost" brother discovered in the slums
  > of Kenya . . Senator Obama's father is from Kenya
  > 
  > When asked to produce an official birth certificate,
  > the Obama campaign saw fit to "release" it not to the
  > U.S. District Court but to FactCheck.org which is run
  > by the Annenberg Public Policy Center which has
  > connections to the Senator
  > 
  > Obama's Grandmother states that he was born in Kenyan
  > and that she was present for the birth (The birth
  > "document" delivered to factcheck.org states he was
  > born in Hawaii) 
  > 
  > An author of a book critical of Senator Obama was
  > arrested while entering Kenya by immigration
  > authorities (participating in a press conference made
  > him a "worker" and not a "visitor") 
  > 
  > Former Deputy Attorney General Philip Berg of the
  > State of Pennsylvannia (he is described by most news
  > stories as "local attorney") files suit against
  > Senator Obama in Federal Court where it is thrown out
  > leaving questions unanswered (show us the birth
  > certificate and this all goes away) 
  > 
  > Regardless of how you feel about any of the
  > candidates, it sure looks like Senator Obama is hiding
  > something and I'm really sick of the fourth estate not
  > doing it's job.
  > 
  > http://www.radiodujour.com/people/berg_philip/
  > 
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From edward_rynearson at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 26 09:53:30 2008
From: edward_rynearson at yahoo.com (Edward Rynearson)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 06:53:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Obama citizenship questions gains steam
Message-ID: <816947.85009.qm@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Is this the October surprise? 
----------------------------------------
http://www.legalnewsline.com/news/216858-obama-citizenship-question-goes-to-u.s.-supreme-court

Obama citizenship question goes to U.S. Supreme Court
BY CHRIS RIZO
 
Barack Obama (D) 
WASHINGTON (Legal Newsline)-The former deputy
Pennsylvania attorney general who challenged
Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama's
qualifications to be president has appealed to the
U.S. Supreme Court.

Lafayette Hill, Pa.-based attorney Philip Berg, a
self-described "moderate to liberal" Democrat who
supported Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign,
alleged that the Illinois senator is not a U.S.
citizen and therefore ineligible for the presidency. 

He had his lawsuit rejected Friday by U.S. District
Judge Richard Barclay Surrick of the Eastern District
of Pennsylvania.

Disputing Obama's Hawaiian birth, Berg claimed Obama
is either a citizen of his father's native Kenya or
that he became a citizen of Indonesia after he moved
there as a young child.

For his part, Obama has posted on his Web site a birth
certificate indicating he was born in Honolulu in
1961.

In his ruling, Surrick said Berg lacked standing to
bring the lawsuit. The judge also said that the harm
from an allegedly ineligible candidate was "too vague
and its effects too attenuated to confer standing on
any and all voters."

In a statement, Berg said he was within his rights to
file suit challenging Obama's qualifications.

"I am totally disappointed by Judge Surrick's decision
and, for all citizens of the United States, I am
immediately appealing to the U.S. Supreme Court," he
said.


From mincam2 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 26 13:50:28 2008
From: mincam2 at yahoo.com (Chuck Minne)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 10:50:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] McCain life expectancy & Palin presidency
In-Reply-To: <816947.85009.qm@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <742728.45259.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

?
This is taken from the middle of an article at:
?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-wolf/the-battle-plan-ii-sarah_b_128393.html
?
?
What's the plan? It is this. McCain doesn't matter. Reputable dermatologists are discussing the fact that in simply actuarial terms, John McCain has a virulent and life-threatening form of skin cancer. It is the elephant in the room, but we must discuss the health of the candidates: doctors put survival rates for someone his age at two to four years. I believe the Rove-Cheney cabal is using Sarah Palin as a stalking horse, an Evita figure, to put a popular, populist face on the coming police state and be the talk show hostess for the end of elections as we know them. If McCain-Palin get in, this will be the last true American election. She will be working for Halliburton, KBR, Rove and Cheney into the foreseeable future -- for a decade perhaps -- a puppet "president" for the same people who have plundered our treasure, are now holding the US economy hostage and who murdered four thousand brave young men and women in a way of choice and lies.

?
The whole thing is at: 
?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-wolf/the-battle-plan-ii-sarah_b_128393.html



He defines?mean:?? During his 1992 campaign, at the end of a long day, McCain's wife, Cindy, mussed his receding hair and needled him playfully that he was "getting a little thin up there." McCain reportedly blew his top, cutting his wife down with the kind of language that had gotten him hauled into court as a high schooler: "At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you cunt." Even though the incident was witnessed by three reporters, the McCain campaign denies it took place.?. . .? In 1998, the senator told a joke about President Clinton's teenage daughter at a GOP fundraiser. "Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?" McCain asked. "Because her father is Janet Reno!". . . .? Even his friends seemed to dislike him, with one recalling him as "a mean little fucker.". . . http://www.truthout.org/100508A

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From geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com  Sun Oct 26 17:54:34 2008
From: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com (Geri Perry)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 16:54:34 -0500
Subject: [CitizensTruth] "Yes, we're dummies."
Message-ID: <4904E71A.9000600@thetwofacesofmoney.com>

Good article: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21079.htm

Although it took not just one but several generations to transform 
America, the author provides some good insight into the way things go down.

Excerpt:  Yes, we're idiots: While distracted by the "illusion of 
democracy" in the endless campaign, Congress surrendered the powers we 
entrusted to it with very little fight. Congress simply handed over 
voting power and the keys to trillions in the Treasury to Wall Street's 
new "Disaster Capitalists" who now control "democracy."

Why did this happen? We're in denial, clueless wimps, that's why. We let 
it happen. END Excerpt




From aqmstaffo at mailbag.com  Mon Oct 27 16:55:05 2008
From: aqmstaffo at mailbag.com (Daniel Stafford)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:55:05 -0500
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Breaking: ATF disrupts plot to assassinate Obama
In-Reply-To: <000701c93873$5a288810$5867b745@pc.cs.cmu.edu>
References: <000701c93873$5a288810$5867b745@pc.cs.cmu.edu>
Message-ID: <49062AA9.2030002@mailbag.com>



CLG News wrote:
> *News Update from Citizens For Legitimate Government*
> 27 Oct 2008
> *http://www.legitgov.org/*
> All items are here:
> *http://www.legitgov.org/#breaking_news*
>
> *Breaking: ATF disrupts plot to assassinate Barack Obama 
> <http://www.legitgov.org/> and to open fire on a predominantly 
> African-American high school*
>
> Please forward this update to anyone you think might be interested. 
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From Walterb306 at cs.com  Tue Oct 28 10:37:48 2008
From: Walterb306 at cs.com (Walterb306 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:37:48 EDT
Subject: [CitizensTruth] ARTICLE-Charles Keating law firm donates 50000 plus
	to McCain Campaign
Message-ID: <c0c.4a516851.36387dbc@cs.com>

All,

FYI,

Beverley

http://mccainkeatingfive.com/?p=47


CHARLES KEATING LAW FIRM DONATES 50,000+ TO MCCAIN CAMPAIGN

Posted by Admin 
While many Americans are scrambling trying to line up refinancing mortgage to 
stay in their homes, John McCain is busy taking campaign donations from the 
law firm of convicted felon Charles Keating, one of the masterminds of the 
Savings and Loan Scandal of the 1980?s that cost taxpayers $500 billion. Keating 
was convicted on over 70 felonies while running the Lincoln Savings and Loan.? 
John McCain played a major part in the scandal, and 20 years later, he still 
doesn?t have the common sense to realize he did anything wrong and is still 
benefiting financially from his relationship with Keating.
OpenSecrets.org reports, "In amounts ranging from $200 to $2,300, about 30 
partners and employees of the legal firm Keating, Muething and Klekamp, as well 
as their family members, have contributed $50,200 to McCain?s 2008 campaign."
The country is in a recession, and McCain keeps taking donations from 
criminals who almost cost McCain his cushy job in the Senate 20 years ago.
The same Keating law firm got their start working with Carl Lindner, a 
Cincinnati businessman and one of the founders of National City Bank, who this week 
finally felt the effects of their questionable subprime lending on mortgages 
for bad credit. PNC Bank out of Pittsburgh bought up National City and is 
expected to close many branches and lay off employees. PNC was able to use up to 
$7.7 billion of taxpayer money to buy National City.
Keating was Lindner?s lawyer when they stole millions from Lindners 
Cincinatti bank in the 1970?s, which served as training for Keating to go do the same 
with his own bank in California a few years later.
So let?s get this straight. McCain and his friends run our financial 
institutions into the ground, force us, the taxpayers, to give billions to the rich 
Wall Street tycoons who then use that money to buy up failing banks from other 
fat cats.
And while all of this is going on, the people who have been involved in the 
Keating Five Scandal, Keating, Lindner, and McCain, are busy passing the hat 
back and forth amongst themselves.
(Further reading: Joe the Plumber is related to Charles Keating. Coincidence? 
No.)
I guess the upside for McCain is that if he needs to get second mortgages on 
his many homes, he knows who to turn to.
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From edward_rynearson at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 28 16:12:29 2008
From: edward_rynearson at yahoo.com (Edward Rynearson)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:12:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Hawaii Gov Seals Obama Birth Certificate
Message-ID: <442029.60678.qm@web30004.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Just to be clear, my concern with this is that the
people who control both the Democratic and Republican
Party (The New World Order) may be planning major
chaos to divert attention from our collapsing economy.
Pulling the plug on Obama the week before the election
would cause such a disruption. They are also working
on a war with Israel and possible a self inflicted
terrorist attack on the United States. These people
like to have options. 

http://www.radiodujour.com/people/berg_philip/




From mincam2 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 29 00:07:14 2008
From: mincam2 at yahoo.com (Chuck Minne)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:07:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Sarah at her best!!!!
Message-ID: <867340.85948.qm@web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Over 3 million viewers:
?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8__aXxXPVc



He defines?mean:?? During his 1992 campaign, at the end of a long day, McCain's wife, Cindy, mussed his receding hair and needled him playfully that he was "getting a little thin up there." McCain reportedly blew his top, cutting his wife down with the kind of language that had gotten him hauled into court as a high schooler: "At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you cunt." Even though the incident was witnessed by three reporters, the McCain campaign denies it took place.?. . .? In 1998, the senator told a joke about President Clinton's teenage daughter at a GOP fundraiser. "Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?" McCain asked. "Because her father is Janet Reno!". . . .? Even his friends seemed to dislike him, with one recalling him as "a mean little fucker.". . . http://www.truthout.org/100508A


      
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From mjkirk12 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 29 08:27:11 2008
From: mjkirk12 at yahoo.com (Mike Kirk)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 05:27:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Sarah at her best!!!!
In-Reply-To: <867340.85948.qm@web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <691764.17386.qm@web83810.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

She is the female version of Dan Quayle!?? I am sure you could dig up some footage of Dan's gaffes from the 1988 presidential campaign.

Republican's aren't too good with their VP picks.

-Mike

--- On Tue, 10/28/08, Chuck Minne <mincam2 at yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Chuck Minne <mincam2 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Sarah at her best!!!!
To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net
Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 11:07 PM


Over 3 million viewers:
?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8__aXxXPVc



He defines?mean:?? During his 1992 campaign, at the end of a long day, McCain's wife, Cindy, mussed his receding hair and needled him playfully that he was "getting a little thin up there." McCain reportedly blew his top, cutting his wife down with the kind of language that had gotten him hauled into court as a high schooler: "At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you cunt." Even though the incident was witnessed by three reporters, the McCain campaign denies it took place.?. . .? In 1998, the senator told a joke about President Clinton's teenage daughter at a GOP fundraiser. "Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?" McCain asked. "Because her father is Janet Reno!". . . .? Even his friends seemed to dislike him, with one recalling him as "a mean little fucker.". . . http://www.truthout.org/100508A




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From aqmstaffo at mailbag.com  Wed Oct 29 14:17:48 2008
From: aqmstaffo at mailbag.com (Daniel Stafford)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:17:48 -0500
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Olberman Gives Palin A Taste Of Her Own Words And
	Actions
Message-ID: <4908A8CC.2030700@mailbag.com>

*Olberman Gives Palin A Taste Of Her Own Words And Actions - or Throwing 
Rocks In Glass Houses*:

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Olbermann_on_Palin_Socialist_fraud__1029.html
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From edward_rynearson at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 29 15:51:48 2008
From: edward_rynearson at yahoo.com (Edward Rynearson)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:51:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Tainted food alert: Melamine may be in US food
	supply
Message-ID: <633312.14701.qm@web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Take this seriously and pass it along 

In China, ANYTHING made with Chinese-manufactured milk
powder before September 14th was PULLED from their
store shelves.

In the US, this garbage is still being sold!

Foods at risk: ANY food manufactured in China and
potentially any food containing milk powder. US food
manufacturers imported millions of pounds of milk
powder from China before September 14th. The FDA
continues to allow to be sold. 

This includes chocolate, cookies, cakes, and even
things like packaged macaroni and cheese.

http://www.radiodujour.com/index.shtml

From futurenotwritten at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 29 23:37:17 2008
From: futurenotwritten at yahoo.com (Jay Becker)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:37:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] "The Terrible Error of Sarah Palin"
Message-ID: <620214.74903.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>




On the Issues Magazine sent out this report today:



The Terrible Error of Sarah Palin

Commentary
and Panel from On The Issues Magazine



 In the Fall edition of On The Issues Magazine
on "What is Terror for Women," publisher Merle Hoffman penned an essay,
Sarah Palin and the Apocalypse.



On October 20 in New York, a panel of writers on Christian
fundamentalism co-sponsored by On
The Issues Magazine and The
World Can't Wait -- Drive Out the Bush Regime expanded on the
dangers that Sarah Palin represents.? Their comments, carried more
fully in the The Caf? of On The Issues Magazine.com provide
powerful insights: 



Kathryn Joyce
(author of Quiverfull: Inside the
Christian Patriarchy Movement):



On
the day she was announced, Janice Crouse of Concerned Women for America
released a statement saying: "Take that, feminists - here is a woman of
accomplishment who brings a fresh face to traditional values and models
the type of woman most girls want to become. For years, the feminist
movement has acknowledged for leadership only those women who embrace a
radical agenda. How refreshing that we have a woman who reflects the
values of mainstream American women, pro-life, pro-marriage and
pro-family."? ?



That the Christian Right has found a way to
approve of Palin's candidacy should not be seen as a comforting move
towards modern gender roles, but rather a stark reminder of how far
afield from the mainstream the people Palin appeals to and represents
are.??? 



READ MORE



Esther Kaplan
(author of With God on Their Side,
George Bush and the Christian Right):



Sarah
Palin is an enormous, enormous star on the Christian Right now. Even
though the polls are pointing to an Obama-Biden victory, this is just a
prelude to a mega political career for this woman.



Another
really important thing is, as we see in her rallies, Sarah Palin has
really unleashed? something or exposed something really significant
about the Christian Right, that it's a white racist movement.



READ MORE



Sunsara Taylor
(writer for Revolution
Newspaper):



Palin's
candidacy - as extreme as she is -- is in a lot of ways the logical
conclusion of the whole political spectrum and discourse in this
country on abortion and women's rights for the last 15 years.? It's one
that's been initiated and led by the Christian Right, but conceded to
and adhered to by the Democrats, and it's a framework that needs to be
decisively ruptured if we're not going to witness the ushering in of
the horrific dark ages view of women that Palin concentrates.



The
only way you can bring together two antagonistic positions - the view
that women's role is to be enslaved to their biology and to their
husbands and the idea that women are human beings and are capable of
participating fully and equally in every sphere of society together
with men - is by having one side capitulate to the other.? ?



And
the Christian fundamentalist movement, the pro-natalist movement and
the movement to criminalize abortion are not capitulating and they are
not toning it down.



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From rmigalla at earthlink.net  Wed Oct 29 13:29:16 2008
From: rmigalla at earthlink.net (Robin Migalla)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:29:16 -0600
Subject: [CitizensTruth] my five minutes of fame
Message-ID: <01C939B9.943CDF00.rmigalla@earthlink.net>

Hi Everyone,

Well at 52 years old, I've finally got my 5 minutes of fame.  Being naked 
on the cover of a rather daring calendar has made a story in our local 
paper.  You can read all about it here...

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/couriernews/lifestyles/1248294,3_5_EL  
30_READERS_S1.article

If you'd like your very own copy of the calendar, feel free to give Sigi a 
call at 312-953-8216.

Cheers,
Robin

From katdoyleforpeace at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 00:14:56 2008
From: katdoyleforpeace at gmail.com (Kat)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 04:14:56 +0000
Subject: [CitizensTruth] More on melamine
Message-ID: <684253326-1225426483-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-260298972-@bxe131.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

http://www.lgpshow.org/blog/2008/oct/30/melamine-story/



--
Kat
KatDoyleForPeace (@gmail.com)


From edward_rynearson at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 31 01:12:57 2008
From: edward_rynearson at yahoo.com (Edward Rynearson)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 22:12:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Food poisoning story just getting worse
Message-ID: <433838.59415.qm@web30007.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The unreported melamine story 

Total US news media blackout 

Korea has removed the following products from its
stores: 
M&M milk chocolates, Snickers peanut fun size bars,
Kit Kat bars from Nestle, and Ritz "sandwich cracker
cheese and rice cookies" 

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/463.html

http://www.radiodujour.com/people/mozart_mike/

From rmigalla at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 30 07:42:22 2008
From: rmigalla at earthlink.net (Robin Migalla)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 05:42:22 -0600
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Food poisoning story just getting worse
Message-ID: <01C93A52.489C4560.rmigalla@earthlink.net>

And to think that M&M Mars owns Seeds of Change, and Kraft owns Boca Foods and Back to Nature...

-----Original Message-----
From:	Edward Rynearson [SMTP:edward_rynearson at yahoo.com]
Sent:	Thursday, October 30, 2008 23:13
To:	citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net
Subject:	[CitizensTruth] Food poisoning story just getting worse

The unreported melamine story 

Total US news media blackout 

Korea has removed the following products from its
stores: 
M&M milk chocolates, Snickers peanut fun size bars,
Kit Kat bars from Nestle, and Ritz "sandwich cracker
cheese and rice cookies" 

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/463.html

http://www.radiodujour.com/people/mozart_mike/
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From hal at drxyzzy.org  Fri Oct 31 09:40:47 2008
From: hal at drxyzzy.org (Hal Snyder)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:40:47 -0500
Subject: [CitizensTruth] note from the boss: vote Republican,
	it's good for you
References: <800858.37857.qm@web33706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <59EF5B7A-E76A-4DB8-AF70-EF89CEC457A5@drxyzzy.org>

I have not found corroboration for the item below. However, the story  
is local to many on this list (Elmhurst); maybe someone here has more  
information.

A look at the Patten Industries website shows their principal  
business to be sales and rental of CAT equipment. The company has  
been in the Patten family for three, going on four, generations of  
Patten men.

http://www.pattenind.com/history/patten_history.htm

Hal

Regarding the question at the end of the forwarded email. As Vandana  
Shiva points out, a typical corporation is a dictatorship. Most of us  
spend the majority of our lives working under them. That is probably  
one reason this society has forgotten how to function as a democracy.

Begin forwarded message:

> Subject: Bosses warn employees to vote Republican!
> Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 2:52 PM
>
> Please find an attachment of an insert enclosed with the paychecks  
> of the employees of Patten Industries. The President and General  
> Manager are telling their employees to vote for Republican  
> candidates in the upcoming election. They imply that the outcome of  
> the election may force the "bankruptcy" or the "collapse" of their  
> customers. The implication is that if Republicans are not elected  
> then the employees will pay.
>
> These are lies. This an attempt to intimidate. Does the authority  
> over our paychecks grant an authority over our lives?

Image of the attachment:
http://citizenstruth.info/PDF/voteRepublicans.gif


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From hal at drxyzzy.org  Fri Oct 31 10:30:34 2008
From: hal at drxyzzy.org (Hal Snyder)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:30:34 -0500
Subject: [CitizensTruth] More on melamine
In-Reply-To: <684253326-1225426483-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-260298972-@bxe131.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <684253326-1225426483-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-260298972-@bxe131.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <E4DF6432-35C5-4C2F-A662-4F96131CEE9A@drxyzzy.org>

Kat's link has a lower hysteria level than some of the sources.

The Brasscheck videos didn't implicate any products sold in the US  
other than White Rabbit candy and Koala cookies - except for the Mike  
Mozart video calling for calling for a total ban on all products in  
the US that have any milk ingredients at all.

Seems to me, the idea of getting to know the people who grow,  
prepare, and deliver our food is something whose time has come.  
Community supported agriculture is here for a reason. It's healthier  
than the thousand-mile salad and a lot more sustainable. And that's  
only one part of the change we need.

Looking backward:

I don't trust the FDA. Eviscerated by W and others (Rumsfeld etc.).  
Regulatory agency capture by the regulated industry. Fox in the  
henhouse.

I don't trust corporations and their execs. People just aren't very  
good at regulating themselves when they are personally detached from  
the consequences of their actions.

Seems to me, deregulation was just another part of the free-market,  
trickle-down scam put over on the US by right wing carpetbaggers and  
robber barons going back to Reagan and well before.

One answer to Reagan's sneer of "I'm from the government and I'm here  
to help", is "I'm a corporate CEO and you can trust me not to poison  
you or the rest of the planet."

On Oct 30, 2008, at 11:14 PM, Kat wrote:

> http://www.lgpshow.org/blog/2008/oct/30/melamine-story/

From geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com  Fri Oct 31 12:25:08 2008
From: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com (Geri Perry)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:25:08 -0500
Subject: [CitizensTruth] THIS SUNDAY 2-4 [Fwd: Free Money Seminar at
	Roosevelt University!]
Message-ID: <490B3164.80604@thetwofacesofmoney.com>


-------- Original Message --------


* Dear Friends of the American Monetary Institute,*
(pardon Double postings!)

On Sunday November 2nd from 2 PM to 4 PM at Roosevelt University, in 
downtown Chicago. you and your friends are invited to our free seminar 
on the money and banking crisis.

The program will explain why the financial system collapsed, what its 
likely to mean for employment, and what can be done *NOW* by all of us 
to get the changes we need, to reduce the severity of this crisis; to 
see that it never happens again; and to recover the losses to our 
society from those who have enriched themselves while raping our 
financial system.

*The Economic Crisis  and monetary reform:*
Stephen Zarlenga will give an update on the progress that monetary 
reform has been making, as the system has been collapsing around us. 
Important progressive leaders are now calling for some of the solutions 
we have been advocating for years.

We are entering a very difficult period which can be a good and decisive 
turning-point in human history, if we make it so.  The first step is for 
people to better understand our money system - whats wrong with it and 
how to fix it!  Thats why we offer these free seminars.

For more background information, visit the AMI website at
http://www.monetary.org

Call 224-805 2200 or email ami at taconic.net
The seminar leaflet is below and attached you want to distribute it to 
your friends.
Best regards,
Stephen Zarlenga.
AMI Director

*AMERICAN   MONETARY   INSTITUTE*

http://www.monetary.org <http://www.monetary.org/>*        ami at taconic.net*

*Stephen Zarlenga, Director*

* *FREE  MONETARY  SEMINAR

*How did They*

*Break our Money System **Again? *

*Why doesn?t it work for America?*

**

Learn more about money in 3 hours

than Most economists learn (or will tell)

 in a lifetime!  The Seminar will Discuss:


* America's Monetary Power has been usurped and privatized, leading 
Crisis, unemployment and war.

* How and why the money power must be restored to society where it can 
be used to  promote the general welfare, instead of corrupt private agendas.

* How the money power became privatized, and is kept in  place by false 
theory.

* A three step program that restores it to society.

* Why inflation need not be a problem.

* How the facts demonstrate that counter to prevailing prejudice, 
governmental control of money has a far superior record than private 
control.

 This is a *hands on do-able reality based* program, not a theory, with 
many U.S. historical precedents, and more going as far back as Classical 
Greece and Rome.

The Money system acts like a fourth branch of government, generally 
affecting our daily lives more than the Executive, Judicial and 
Legislative branches combined. Yet it has been privatized and is largely 
outside the control of our democratic system of checks and balances 
*where it has unfairly concentrated wealth to obscene levels among other 
injustices.*

The American Monetary Institute is America?s leading think tank focusing 
on monetary history, theory and reform. Each September we hold a 3 day 
monetary reform conference at Roosevelt University, where cutting edge 
experts speak on those subjects. Each quarter the Institute offers this 
free introductory seminar.

This seminar is designed for Chicago area people who?d like a good 
background on how our money system works, why its not working well, how 
to fix it, and what benefits would follow in terms of infrastructure and 
health care and education; and how our society has the power to begin 
creating a superior future world, instead of getting mired in stupidity 
and warfare.

Place: Roosevelt University 2nd Floor conference room
at 380 S. Michigan Avenue, Chicago, IL 60605.

Sunday, November 2nd, 2008                  Time: 2:00 PM to 4:00 PM

 Dress: Informal; all are welcome**

* 
Reservations really appreciated so that light refreshments can be arranged*

* Call 224-805-2200  or email  ami at taconic.net <mailto:ami at taconic.net>
*

*
*RETURN TO AMI HOME PAGE <http://www.monetary.org/>



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From edward_rynearson at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 31 13:29:07 2008
From: edward_rynearson at yahoo.com (Edward Rynearson)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:29:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Kevin Barrett, libertarian candidate for truth,
	debates Democratic and Republican congressional candidates
Message-ID: <733316.75554.qm@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Friday, October 31, 2008
This is an excerpt from a debate between Congressional
candidates Democrat Ron Kind, Republican Paul Stark,
and Libertarin Kevin Barrett consisting of Dr.
Barrett's opening and closing statements. A link to
the full debate is provided.
http://www.radiodujour.com/people/barrett_kevin/index.shtml

From dimension04 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Oct 31 15:45:47 2008
From: dimension04 at sbcglobal.net (Connie Smith)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:45:47 -0500
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Disinfo Ops go after Obama: Phil Berg
Message-ID: <E18CD414CC184849A26A88EF24A6B08C@InspironConnie>






After having his lawsuit thrown out of court, desperate disinfo hitman Phil Berg is appealing to the Supreme Court -- and is widely distributing a practically delusional e-mail that Obama ADMITS to Berg's long dirty-laundry-list of charges.

But here is the deceptive wording:

(Berg) announced today that Obama and the DNC
"ADMITTED", by way of failure to timely respond to Requests for
Admissions, all of the numerous specific requests (charges) in the Federal
lawsuit.

Berg chooses to INTERPRET and falsely convey that Obama's lack of timely response to charges is ADMITTING he's guilty of all of them!  

I would say that lack of response to Berg is simply healthy boundaries -- and not taking a buzzing little insect like him seriously.

Phil Berg is infamous in the 9/11 Truth community now for setting us all up -- and using poor, heroic widow Ellen Mariani in the process -- for the failure of the historical lawsuit against Bush, Cheney, et al as the 9/11 perpetrators.  

As the Bush Gang dragged Ellen and her losses and grief through a gauntlet, Phil Berg arrived "to save the day" and structured (what we thought) was the mother of all lawsuits to take down our government gangsters.

Turns out, Berg set up Mariani's lawsuit to fail in the courts, which it did -- and voila!  There went our best shot to really turn this world around.  (Link below.)

Also, on a 9/11 Truth list recently, I saw a writer state that Last-Man-Out-of-the-Towers Willie Rodriguez, supreme truth-teller, has warned the 9/11 community that, in his experience too, Berg cannot be trusted. 

Berg right now is apparently the biggest disinfo man and hired gun for the powers-that-be -- who are scared to death of the worldwide rising People Power that Obama represents.  

And how ADOLESCENT of him to publicize Obama's lack of response to him as ADMITTING some kind of guilt.  People who fall for that, well, deserve to fall.


Connie
the news on Phil Berg in 2004:
"If you have any way of contacting the 911 widow who has filed a RICO suit against George W. Bush, warn her right away. The complaint filed on behalf of Ellen Mariani by Philip J. Berg, Esquire, is booby-trapped.  In short, Mrs. Mariani's case against the government has been hijacked by a suicide lawyer."  

(It did fail, as he intended. And Bush/Cheney went merrily forward with more worldwide death and destruction.)
http://www.public-action.com/911/suit.html#t3


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