[CitizensTruth] Zeitgeist addendum (very dangerous!)

[Chuck Minne]

WOW!!! I just watched all two hours and it blew me away. Incredible. Best documentary I have ever seen.
 
Zeitgeist Addendum:
 
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912
 
 
It is "dangerous" not to see, understand and heed what is said. How can anyone deny this: "My grandchildren won't be safe unless all children everywhere are safe" ?
 



 
He defines mean:   During his 1992 campaign, at the end of a long day, McCain's wife, Cindy, mussed his receding hair and needled him playfully that he was "getting a little thin up there." McCain reportedly blew his top, cutting his wife down with the kind of language that had gotten him hauled into court as a high schooler: "At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you cunt." Even though the incident was witnessed by three reporters, the McCain campaign denies it took place. . . .  In 1998, the senator told a joke about President Clinton's teenage daughter at a GOP fundraiser. "Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?" McCain asked. "Because her father is Janet Reno!". . . .  Even his friends seemed to dislike him, with one recalling him as "a mean little fucker.". . . http://www.truthout.org/100508A

--- On Mon, 10/13/08, andrew ritter <aroyboy44 at hotmail.com> wrote:

From: andrew ritter <aroyboy44 at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] Zeitgeist addendum (very dangerous!)
To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net
Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 4:36 PM




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Thanks for sending this Ragen as there's good discussion here.

I am not familiar at all with Griffin's work, but I would have to respectfully disagree with a lot of the analysis and I think both of these movies are well worth anyone's time.  To characterize a truth seeking film as "very dangerous" is what is very dangerous.  You don't have to agree with every detail in order to gain some knowledge and find some truth.  I find the alarm about this movie from people who are supposedly on the same side to be much more alarming than the movie itself.

I would also caution anyone who takes Alex Jones as the ultimate beacon of truth and correctness because while I admire and respect his work, I have read plenty of articles that turn out to be more hype than truth and this undying fervent support for Ron Paul, (while completely ignoring the amazing work of others like Cynthia McKinney) while wonderful and helpful has served as a distraction a lot of times from the fact that the system is not going to allow a Ron Paul into power no matter how much the people might want it - and to ignore that is to ignore the challenging realities we face.

So let's review briefly what this movie does:

The movie correctly exposes the Federal Reserve for what it is and how it works - well gee that is super and great - thanks!

The movie says that politicians (yes EVEN Ron Paul) are not the answer - look, I think making small gains inside the system is certainly a good thing, but if we don't recognize that people like Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich, as wonderful as they are, are also there to make people like us feel like we might have a voice and a solution inside a system so we become paralyzed by the system waiting for the day that the system might change is an endless excercise in stupidity.  I think the bailout is a perfect example.... Obama and McCain are both in step with the plan AND the Dems are about to come into big power, so DEMS largely support the hideous Bush/Paulson plan while the GOP suddenly became "the opposition" (partly due to wanting to be re-elected) but gosh darn if it just wasn't enough oppostion to actually make the people's voice matter for more than a few days.  Kucinich and Paul and many others spoke the truth during this time, but the truth lost
 out to the bigger power again.  Hmmmmmm.... 

I'm not saying we need to give up entirely working with politicians - but to say that politicians are not the answer is not to give up hope as Mr. Griffin suggests, on the contrary that is what sets us free, for once we realize that the solution lies elsewhere we can start to work to create the world we all deserve without the false hope that a politician will arrive and save the day  (much like most Dems believe about Obama)

And John Perkins NEVER says that the Dictators in Latin America are good guys, he says that 2 of them were basically decent guys partly because they said NO to US interests and US meddling because they wanted to actually help their own people and those 2 guys were both assassinated by the US/CIA.  

Mr Griffin goes on to endlessly rip on the solutions offered in the movie.   First i want to point out that the movie spends almost an hour on the solution aspect which immediately seperates it from most documentaries - the movie is not just bitching and exposing like most -  but offering an in-depth alternative.

And the alternative suggested?  To abandon a monetary based society.  WOW!  ok, does anyone want to argue that a monetary based society has done well for the people, plants, animals of the world?  Does anyone here not think that the current financial system is being used to give everything to the few and enslave the rest?

So why are the undies in a bunch over the idea of getting rid of that system?   

I personally have no clue how a world goes about getting a system like this in place - that is an obvious hurdle - but frankly it is the most plausible, viable solution to the worlds problems I have ever read about and I get that the solution is radical and all, but I think we could all agree that our current situation calls for radical out-of-the-box thinking.

Take a look for yourself at the ideas offered up by "The Venus Project" and I think you will see this is not as scary and ideological as Griffin tries to make it out to be:

http://www.thevenusproject.com/resource_eco.htm

And I'm not really sure this needs to turn into a religious debate also.... BUT the fact that Griffin gets all huffy & puffy that Religion plays a part in this is terribly strange.  

Someone here please count up the # of people who have been murdered and tortured in the name of Christianity/Catholosism and then look me straight in the eye and tell me what a great religion it is.  Tell me that the powers that be, who brought you 9-11, would think twice about spewing religious nonsense in order to control the people.  My gosh! the bible has a sure-fire built-in control mechanism they call:  HELL.  That's right kids, believe all this or YOU ARE GOING TO HELL!!  Really?  Is that how Jesus works?  obay his way or you are tortured for eternity?  Is that compassion?  So an autistic child will spend his life in hell?  So a kid who is born and raised in a muslim household is going to HELL?  PAH-LEASE!  And have you ever notice how the book is dominated with the belief that we are powerless - god is powerful and so we ask god to help us and we give up our power instead of realizing that perhaps, just maybe, we are all a part of god
 and therefore the power lies within us to change ourselves and change the world.  So please take back your own power first if you want to help take back this world.

love

Andrew


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