From aqmstaffo at mailbag.com Mon Sep 1 13:32:39 2008 From: aqmstaffo at mailbag.com (Daniel Stafford) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 12:32:39 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Federal government involved in raids on protesters Message-ID: <48BC2737.80600@mailbag.com> http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/08/31/raids/index.html Glenn Greenwald Sunday Aug. 31, 2008 11:46 EDT Federal government involved in raids on protesters *(update below)* As the police attacks on protesters in Minnesota continue -- see this video of the police swarming a bus transporting members of Earth Justice, seizing the bus and leaving the group members stranded on the side of the highway -- it appears increasingly clear that it is the Federal Government that is directing this intimidation campaign. Minnesota Public Radio reported yesterday that "the searches were led by the Ramsey County Sheriff's office. Deputies coordinated searches with the Minneapolis and St. Paul police departments *and the Federal Bureau of Investigation*." Today's /Star Tribune/ added that the raids were specifically "aided by informants planted in protest groups." Back in May, Marcy Wheeler presciently noted that the Minneapolis Joint Terrorist Task Force -- an inter-agency group of federal, state and local law enforcement led by the FBI -- was actively recruiting Minneapolis residents to serve as plants, to infiltrate "vegan groups" and other left-wing activist groups and report back to the Task Force about what they were doing. There seems to be little doubt that it was this domestic spying by the Federal Government that led to the excessive and truly despicable home assaults by the police yesterday. So here we have a massive assault led by Federal Government law enforcement agencies on left-wing dissidents and protesters who have committed no acts of violence or illegality whatsoever, preceded by months-long espionage efforts to track what they do. And as extraordinary as that conduct is, more extraordinary is the fact that they have received virtually no attention from the national media and little outcry from anyone. And it's not difficult to see why. As the recent "overhaul" of the 30-year-old FISA law illustrated -- preceded by the endless expansion of surveillance state powers, justified first by the War on Drugs and then the War on Terror -- we've essentially decided that we want our Government to spy on us without limits. There is literally no police power that the state can exercise that will cause much protest from the political and media class and, therefore, from the citizenry. Beyond that, there is a widespread sense that the targets of these raids deserve what they get, even if nothing they've done is remotely illegal. We love to proclaim how much we cherish our "freedoms" in the abstract, but we despise those who actually exercise them. The Constitution, right in the very First Amendment, protects free speech and free assembly precisely because those liberties are central to a healthy republic -- but we've decided that anyone who would actually express truly dissident views or do anything other than sit meekly and quietly in their homes are dirty trouble-makers up to no good, and it's therefore probably for the best if our Government keeps them in check, spies on them, even gets a little rough with them. After all, if you don't want the FBI spying on you, or the Police surrounding and then invading your home with rifles and seizing your computers, there's a very simple solution: don't protest the Government. Just sit quietly in your house and mind your own business. That way, the Government will have no reason to monitor what you say and feel the need to intimidate you by invading your home. Anyone who decides to protest -- especially with something as unruly and disrespectful as an *unauthorized* street march -- gets what they deserve. Isn't it that mentality which very clearly is the cause of virtually everyone turning away as these police raids escalate against citizens -- including lawyers, journalists and activists -- who have broken no laws and whose only crime is that they intend vocally to protest what the Government is doing? Add to that the fact that many good establishment liberals are embarrassed by leftist protesters of this sort and wish that they would remain invisible, and there arises a widespread consensus that these Government attacks are perfectly tolerable if not desirable. During the Olympics just weeks ago, there was endless hand-wringing over the efforts by the Chinese Government to squelch dissent and incarcerate protesters. On August 21, /The Washington Post/ fretted : Six Americans detained by police this week could be held for 10 days, according to Chinese authorities, who appear to be intensifying their efforts to shut down any public demonstrations during the final days of the Olympic Games. . . . Chinese Olympic officials announced last month that Beijing would set up zones where people could protest during the Games, as long as they had received permission. None of the 77 applications submitted was approved, however, and several other would-be protesters were stopped from even applying. On August 2, /The Post/ gravely warned : Behind the gray walls and barbed wire of the prison here, eight Chinese farmers with a grievance against the government have been consigned to Olympic limbo. Their indefinite detainment, relatives and neighbors said, is *the price they are paying for stirring up trouble* as China prepares to host the Beijing Games. *Trouble, the Communist Party has made clear, will not be permitted*. Would /The Washington Post/ ever use such dark and accusatory tones to describe what the U.S. Government does? Of course it wouldn't. Yet how is our own Government's behavior in Minnesota any different than what the Chinese did to its protesters during the Olympics (other than the fact that we actually have a Constitution that prohibits such behavior)? And where are all the self-righteous Freedom Crusaders in our nation's establishment organs who were so flamboyantly criticizing the actions of a Government on the other side of the globe as our own Government engages in the same tyrannical, protest-squelching conduct with exactly the same motives? Just review what happened yesterday and today. Homes of college-aid protesters were raided by rifle-wielding police forces. Journalists were forcibly detained at gun point. Lawyers on the scene to represent the detainees were handcuffed. Computers, laptops, journals, diaries, and political pamphlets were seized from people's homes. And all of this occurred against U.S. citizens, without a single act of violence having taken place, and nothing more serious than traffic blockage even alleged by authorities to have been planned. A man whose sister was one of those arrested at one of the raided houses in Minneapolis yesterday emailed me a photograph of her and her friend who was also arrested -- Monica Bicking (r.) and Eryn Trimme -- and he wrote this: They are still in custody. I've been told that the police have 36 hours to charge her, and that 36 hours starts after the labor day holiday, so they only have to charge her sometime Wednesday. It seems unlikely that they'd do anything to expedite her or Eryn's release. They were then planning to actually board up her house for unspecified "code violations", but apparently her neighbors were very vocal, and the police ended up agreeing not to do anything so long as the front door was fixed by 6pm (the front door they'd busted in). Heres is the extraordinary blog item I linked to yesterday from Eileen Clancy, one of the founders of I-Witness Video -- a NYC-based video collective which is in St. Paul to document the policing of the protests around this week's Republican National Convention, just as they did at the 2004 GOP Convention in New York. Clancy wrote this as a plea for help, as the Police surrounded her house and (before they had a search warrant) told everyone inside that they'd be arrested if they exited the home: This is Eileen Clancy . . . The house where I-Witness Video is staying in St. Paul has been surrounded by police. We have locked all the doors. We have been told that if we leave we will be detained. One of our people who was caught outside is being detained in handcuffs in front of the house. The police say that they are waiting to get a search warrant. More than a dozen police are wielding firearms, including one St. Paul officer with a long gun, which someone told me is an M-16. We are suffering a preemptive video arrest. For those that don't know, I-Witness Video was remarkably successful in exposing police misconduct and outright perjury by police during the 2004 RNC. Out of 1800 arrests, at least 400 were overturned based solely on video evidence which contradicted sworn statements which were fabricated by police officers. It seems that the house arrest we are now under and the possible threat of the seizure of our computers and video cameras is a result of the 2004 success. We are asking the public to contact the office of St. Paul Mayor Chris Coleman at 651-266-8510 to stop this house arrest, this gross intimidation by police officers, and the detention of media activists and reporters. That sounds like what it was: a cry for help from a hostage. Hours later, the Police finally obtained a search warrant -- for the wrong house, one adjacent to the house where they were being detained -- and nonetheless broke in, pointing guns, forced them to lay on the floor and handcuffed everyone inside (and handcuffed a National Lawyers Guild attorney outside). They searched the house, arrested nobody, and then left. Any rational person planning to protest the GOP Convention would, in light of this Government spying and these police raids, think twice -- at least -- about whether to do so. That is the point of the raids -- to announce to citizens that they best stay in their homes and be good, quiet, meek, compliant people unless they want their homes to be invaded, their property seized, and have rifles pointed at them, too. The fact that this behavior is producing so little outcry only ensures, for obvious reasons, that it will continue in the future. We love our Surveillance State for keeping us safe and maintaining nice, quiet order. *__* And Feministing has the video -- here -- of the scene yesterday where journalists were detained, along with an interview with the homeowner whose house was raided. -- Glenn Greenwald * Buzz up! * Share o Email o Digg o Facebook o StumbleUpon o Reddit * Print Permalink -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hal at drxyzzy.org Mon Sep 1 14:48:44 2008 From: hal at drxyzzy.org (Hal Snyder) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 13:48:44 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] tactics foreign and domestic Message-ID: <517566C6-F1DB-48F6-9B84-C17C14A66761@drxyzzy.org> I have heard is difficult to occupy another land and keep a republic at home. 1. Compare St. Paul pre-RNC raids with the process of democracy promotion applied to Iraq. Minnesota Monster Mash: Police-State Zombies in a Dead Republic Glenn Greenwald tells a harrowing tale of police-state tactics in Minneapolis, with armed security forces conducting Baghdad-like raids on the houses of activists, terrorizing many and arresting some for thought crimes -- such as "planning to cause a riot" -- and other bogus charges. The sweeps -- guided and aided by the federal government -- are designed to "ensure domestic tranquility" during the imminent Republican convention in the city. As Greenwald points out, not one of those who were shackled, arrested and hauled out at gunpoint had committed any crime whatsoever... http://www.chris-floyd.com/content/view/1595/135/ 2. As Gustav approached US shores, Blackwater prepared for action. Blackwater Gears Up For Gustav Security and intelligence expert Dr. R.J. Hillhouse reports at her ?Spy Who Billed Me? blog that Blackwater has issued a shout-out for armed security officers for possible deployment under their DHS contract in the wake of Hurricane Gustav. Officers must have a firearms license - and those with revolver- only status need not apply... Last time out, during Katrina, Blackwater mercenaries were patrolling New Orleans in full battle dress and with assault weapons in what some called an end-run around Posse Comitatus. It looks like they?re ready to do it again. 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According to the Coldsnap Legal Collective, at least 75 people have been arrested so far. I've received information that several people have had their rights violated, and the word here on Radio Row is that Democracy Now's Amy Goodman, Sharif Abdel Kouddous and Nicole Salazar have been detained. I will be heading back out to the streets in about an hour - for now, here are some pictures of today's actions: http://election411.org/blog/id/3601150/welcome-twin-cities-amy- goodman-75-others-arrested ### Greg Palast says he'll have something on his website soon. - Hal -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From edward_rynearson at yahoo.com Mon Sep 1 21:52:22 2008 From: edward_rynearson at yahoo.com (Edward Rynearson) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 18:52:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CitizensTruth] Amy Goodman and Two Democracy Now! Producers Unlawfully Arrested At the RNC Message-ID: <940943.51518.qm@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Amy Goodman and Two Democracy Now! Producers Unlawfully Arrested At the RNC Democracy Now! host Amy Goodman and producers Sharif Abdel Kouddous and Nicole Salazar have been arrested while covering a protest at the Republican National Convention in downtown St. Paul, Minnesota. Read more and learn how you can take action http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2008/9/1/amy_goodman_and_two_democracy_now_producers_unlawfully_arrested_at_the_rnc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aqmstaffo at mailbag.com Tue Sep 2 04:12:57 2008 From: aqmstaffo at mailbag.com (Daniel Stafford) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 03:12:57 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Goodman & Democracy Now Producers released but facing bogus charges In-Reply-To: References: <00b301c90ca9$709d8eb0$51d8ac10$@com> Message-ID: <48BCF589.5040102@mailbag.com> Jean Hudon wrote: >> Jean, >> If you didn't include this in the mailing I JUST received from you, >> is there anyway you still help? Thank you! Sunny > > > Hi Sunny > > Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Fortunately they have all be > released and I'll include the following UPDATE in my next compilation. > > I believe this will backfire on the police/Republicans and come back > to haunt them... > > Best regards > > Jean > > From: > http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2008/9/1/update_democracy_now_s_amy_goodman_sharif_abdel_kouddous_and_nicole_salazar_released_after_illegal_arrest_at_rnc > > Update: Democracy Now!'s Amy Goodman, Sharif Abdel Kouddous and Nicole > Salazar Released After Illegal Arrest at RNC > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > September 1, 2008 > > Contact: Mike Burke > > UPDATE > > Democracy Now!'s Amy Goodman, Sharif Abdel Kouddous and Nicole Salazar > Released After Illegal Arrest at RNC > > Goodman Charged with Obstruction; Felony Riot Charges Pending Against > Kouddous and Salazar > > ST. PAUL--Democracy Now! host Amy Goodman and producers Sharif Abdel > Kouddous and Nicole Salazar have all been released from police custody > in St. Paul following their illegal arrest by Minneapolis Police on > Monday afternoon. > > All three were violently manhandled by law enforcement officers. Abdel > Kouddous was slammed against a wall and the ground, leaving his arms > scraped and bloodied. He sustained other injuries to his chest and > back. Salazar's violent arrest by baton-wielding officers, during > which she was slammed to the ground while yelling, "I'm Press! > Press!," resulted in her nose bleeding, as well as causing facial > pain. Goodman's arm was violently yanked by police as she was arrested. > On Tuesday, Democracy Now! will broadcast video of these arrests, as > well as the broader police action. These will also be available on: > http://www.democracynow.org > > Goodman was arrested while questioning police about the unlawful > detention of Kouddous and Salazar who were arrested while they carried > out their journalistic duties in covering street demonstrations at the > Republican National Convention. Goodman's crime appears to have been > defending her colleagues and the freedom of the press. > > Ramsey County Sheriff Bob Fletcher told Democracy Now! that Kouddous > and Salazar were arrested on suspicion of rioting, a felony. While the > three have been released, they all still face charges stemming from > their unlawful arrest. Kouddous and Salazar face pending charges of > suspicion of felony riot, while Goodman has been officially charged > with obstruction of a legal process and interference with a "peace > officer." > > Democracy Now! forcefully rejects all of these charges as false and an > attempt at intimidation of these journalists. We demand that the > charges be immediately and completely dropped. > > Democracy Now! stands by Goodman, Kouddous and Salazar and condemns > this action by Twin Cities' law enforcement as a clear violation of > the freedom of the press and the First Amendment rights of these > journalists. > > During the demonstration in which the Democracy Now! team was > arrested, law enforcement officers used pepper spray, rubber bullets, > concussion grenades and excessive force against protesters and > journalists. Several dozen demonstrators were also arrested during > this action, including a photographer for the Associated Press. > > Amy Goodman is one of the most well-known and well-respected > journalists in the United States. She has received journalism's top > honors for her reporting and has a distinguished reputation of bravery > and courage. The arrest of Goodman, Kouddous and Salazar and the > subsequent criminal charges and threat of charges are a transparent > attempt to intimidate journalists. > > Democracy Now! is a nationally-syndicated public TV and radio program > that airs on over 700 radio and TV stations across the US and the globe. > > Video of Amy Goodman's Arrest: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYjyvkR0bGQ > > --- > > Note from Jean: > > For those who don't know about Amy's outspoken defense of Democracy in > America here is a short video that illustrates this well... > > Brainwash?... Democracy Now Amy Goodman on Corporate Media > http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Q560s7cEv20 > > Much more on her excellent independent and investigative journalism > work through http://www.democracynow.org > >> >> *Subject:* Democracy Now's Amy Goodman and Other Journalists >> Arrested!!...... PLEASE GET THIS ACROSS THE PLANET & EXPOSE DARTH VADER!! >> *Importance:* High >> >> *SEPT 1st , 2008* >> *Democracy Now's Amy Goodman and Other Journalists Arrested in Saint >> Paul, THE COPS ARE USING AUTOMATIC WEAPONS! Please Call Mayor >> Coleman, 651-266-8510 !! THIS WILL BE DEALT WITH AT THE HIGHEST >> LEVELS!! WE HAVE ALERTED THE KOS!* >> Amy Goodman and Two Democracy Now! Producers Unlawfully Arrested At >> the RNC >> >> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >> www.democracynow.org >> >> September 1, 2008 >> >> Contact: >> Denis Moynihan 917-549-5000 >> Mike Burke 646-552-5107, mike at democracynow.org >> >> ST. PAUL, MN-Democracy Now! host Amy Goodman was unlawfully arrested >> in downtown St. Paul, Minnesota at approximately 5 p.m. local time. >> Police violently manhandled Goodman, yanking her arm, as they >> arrested her. Video of her arrest can be seen here: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYjyvkR0bGQ >> >> Goodman was arrested while attempting to free two Democracy Now! >> producers who were being unlawfully detained. They are Sharif Abdel >> Kouddous and Nicole Salazar. Kouddous and Salazar were arrested while >> they carried out their journalistic duties in covering street >> demonstrations at the Republican National Convention. Goodman's crime >> appears to have been defending her colleagues and the freedom of the >> press. >> >> Ramsey County Sheriff Bob Fletcher told Democracy Now! that Kouddous >> and Salazar were being arrested on suspicion of rioting. They are >> currently being held at the Ramsey County jail in St. Paul. >> >> Democracy Now! is calling on all journalists and concerned citizens >> to call the office of Mayor Chris Coleman and the Ramsey County Jail >> and demand the immediate release of Goodman, Kouddous and Salazar. >> These calls can be directed to: Chris Rider from Mayor Coleman's >> office at 651-266-8535 and the Ramsey County Jail at 651-266-9350 >> (press extension 0). >> >> Democracy Now! stands by Goodman, Kouddous and Salazar and condemns >> this action by Twin Cities law enforcement as a clear violation of >> the freedom of the press and the First Amendment rights of these >> journalists. >> >> During the demonstration in which they were arrested law enforcement >> officers used pepper spray, rubber bullets, concussion grenades and >> excessive force. Several dozen others were also arrested during this >> action. >> >> Amy Goodman is one of the most well-known and well-respected >> journalists in the United States. She has received journalism's top >> honors for her reporting and has a distinguished reputation of >> bravery and courage. The arrest of Goodman, Kouddous and Salazar is >> a transparent attempt to intimidate journalists from the nation's >> leading independent news outlet. >> >> Democracy Now! is a nationally syndicated public TV and radio program >> that airs on over 700 radio and TV stations across the US and the globe. >> Video of Amy Goodman's Arrest: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYjyvkR0bGQ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aqmstaffo at mailbag.com Tue Sep 2 04:15:20 2008 From: aqmstaffo at mailbag.com (Daniel Stafford) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 03:15:20 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Reminder - monthly PDI meeting at Wheaton IHOP Message-ID: <48BCF618.7080801@mailbag.com> All, just a reminder that PDI will hold its regular monthly meeting at the IHOP at the corner of Naperville Road & Butterfield Road (Butterfield is IL Rte 56) in Wheaton, from 7-9pm, Thursday, September 4th. Regards, Dan From aqmstaffo at mailbag.com Tue Sep 2 13:01:12 2008 From: aqmstaffo at mailbag.com (Daniel Stafford) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 12:01:12 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] House price crash goes global Message-ID: <48BD7158.4070507@mailbag.com> http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2008/sep/02/houseprices.property?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront (** A GLOBAL bubble?? Curiouser and curiouser. George, whose been pulling your strings?? Or, should I say...chain? - D **) * Money * House prices House price crash goes global * Patrick Collinson * guardian.co.uk , * Tuesday September 02 2008 12:40 BST * Article history Riga Town, Latvia Latvia: House prices have dropped by 24.1% over the past 12 months The property crash that began in the US is spreading across the globe, according to international estate agents Knight Frank, which said today that steep declines are now taking place across Europe and into Asia. The country recording the sharpest fall is Latvia, where house prices have plummeted 24.1% over the past year. New Zealand, Denmark and Lithuania have all seen falling prices, along with Malta, Germany, Ireland, Estonia, Britain and the US. Even countries where prices have not fallen are witnessing a rapid deceleration in price growth. In South Africa the rate of house price inflation has collapsed from 15.5% this time last year to 3.8%, and is expected to be negative soon. In France, Spain and Greece price growth has halved and is running below 3.2%. The only countries to have bucked the trend are Bulgaria, Slovakia, Cyprus and the Czech Republic, where house price growth has accelerated. Last year's fastest growing market, Russia, which was seeing house price growth at an astonishing 53.7% in the second quarter of 2007, has dropped back to 26.5%. Nick Barnes, head of international research at Knight Frank, said: "The index shows that global house price inflation is continuing to fall back, with much of continental Europe now seeing low or negative growth. "Housing markets in countries such as Spain, Denmark, the UK and Ireland are all being severely challenged by the global credit squeeze." Long-term decline Globally, the rate of house price growth fell to 4.8% in the second quarter of 2008, down from 6.1% in the first quarter of the year. Several countries are now entering their second year of house price declines. Among the worst hit is Germany, where prices were falling at a rate of 4.4% last year and 2.5% this year. "There is less demand for owner-occupied property in Germany than in many other European countries and there is no shortage of supply," said Barnes. In Spain, the Knight Frank index recorded a price rise of 2.4% annually, but it warned that falls are now almost inevitable. "The well-publicised problems in Spain have not yet fed into house price statistics. So far, price falls have been concentrated in the coastal resorts and among new developments in the large cities," said Barnes. "Spain looks likely to fall into recession later this year, and house sales fell steeply during June. The number of sales dropped by 34.2% in May and 29.6% in June, suggesting that wider price falls could be imminent." But investors who bought second homes in Bulgaria have reason to feel bullish. Knight Frank said current annual price growth is 32.2%, only slightly lower than the 33.7% rate recorded in the first quarter. Biggest fallers: Year-on-year house price change to Q2 2008 Latvia -24.1% United States -16.8% Estonia -16% Lithuania -9.9% Denmark -9.6% Ireland -8.1% UK -3.9% Malta -2.7% Germany -2.5% New Zealand -2.2% About this article Close House price crash goes global This article was first published on guardian.co.uk on Tuesday September 02 2008. It was last updated at 12:40 on September 02 2008. * Print thisPrintable version * Send to a friendSend to a friend * Share thisShare * Clip thisClip * Contact usContact us * Resize font larger | smaller -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: OldTownLatvia4.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 15357 bytes Desc: not available Url : -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Minnesota Public Radio reported yesterday that "the searches were led by the Ramsey County Sheriff's office. Deputies coordinated searches with the Minneapolis and St. Paul police departments and the Federal Bureau of Investigation." Today's Star Tribune added that the raids were specifically "aided by informants planted in protest groups." Back in May, Marcy Wheeler presciently noted that the Minneapolis Joint Terrorist Task Force -- an inter-agency group of federal, state and local law enforcement led by the FBI -- was actively recruiting Minneapolis residents to serve as plants, to infiltrate "vegan groups" and other left-wing activist groups and report back to the Task Force about what they were doing. There seems to be little doubt that it was this domestic spying by the Federal Government that led to the excessive and truly despicable home assaults by the police yesterday. So here we have a massive assault led by Federal Government law enforcement agencies on left-wing dissidents and protesters who have committed no acts of violence or illegality whatsoever, preceded by months-long espionage efforts to track what they do. And as extraordinary as that conduct is, more extraordinary is the fact that they have received virtually no attention from the national media and little outcry from anyone. And it's not difficult to see why. As the recent "overhaul" of the 30-year-old FISA law illustrated -- preceded by the endless expansion of surveillance state powers, justified first by the War on Drugs and then the War on Terror -- we've essentially decided that we want our Government to spy on us without limits. There is literally no police power that the state can exercise that will cause much protest from the political and media class and, therefore, from the citizenry. Beyond that, there is a widespread sense that the targets of these raids deserve what they get, even if nothing they've done is remotely illegal. We love to proclaim how much we cherish our "freedoms" in the abstract, but we despise those who actually exercise them. The Constitution, right in the very First Amendment, protects free speech and free assembly precisely because those liberties are central to a healthy republic -- but we've decided that anyone who would actually express truly dissident views or do anything other than sit meekly and quietly in their homes are dirty trouble-makers up to no good, and it's therefore probably for the best if our Government keeps them in check, spies on them, even gets a little rough with them. After all, if you don't want the FBI spying on you, or the Police surrounding and then invading your home with rifles and seizing your computers, there's a very simple solution: don't protest the Government. Just sit quietly in your house and mind your own business. That way, the Government will have no reason to monitor what you say and feel the need to intimidate you by invading your home. Anyone who decides to protest -- especially with something as unruly and disrespectful as an unauthorized street march -- gets what they deserve. http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/09/01/protests/index.html In 2004 Derrick Jensen wrote: Here are some questions I?ve been thinking about lately. If Nazis or other fascists took over North America?long pause, the raising of one eyebrow?what would we all do? Consider Mussolini?s definition of fascism: ?Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power.? What if this occupied country called itself a democracy, but most everyone understood elections to be shams, with citizens allowed to choose between different wings of the same Fascist (or, following Mussolini, Corporate) party? What if protesting and other nonviolent dissent were opposed by storm troopers and secret police? Would we fight back? If a resistance movement already existed, would we join it? And what would we do if those in power then instituted laws allowing them to put one-third of all Jewish males between the ages of eighteen and thirty-five into concentration camps? Substitute African- American for Jewish and ask yourself the same question. http://www.derrickjensen.org/fear01.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From edward_rynearson at yahoo.com Tue Sep 2 21:40:59 2008 From: edward_rynearson at yahoo.com (Edward Rynearson) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 18:40:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CitizensTruth] Keeping buying our worthless paper or we'll start WW4 Message-ID: <135935.95413.qm@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> August 31, 2008 Paul Craig Roberts tells Alex Jones how the "brown shirt" republicans are joyfully taking us to brink of thermonuclear war with Russia who had been cooperating with us and Europe but is now reacting by expanding their sphere of influence. http://www.radiodujour.com/people/roberts_paul_craig/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From edward_rynearson at yahoo.com Wed Sep 3 00:53:30 2008 From: edward_rynearson at yahoo.com (Edward Rynearson) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 21:53:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CitizensTruth] Why is asking questions about 911 out of line? Message-ID: <800941.12670.qm@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Wednesday, September 3, 2008 "I'm going to move on to another subject that a lot of people don't want to discuss today," he said, "I know when I discuss it, it's amazing, I get attacked!" The crowd listened intently as he went on, "And that's something called 9/11!" The crowd erupted into spontaneous applause. Jesse Ventura continued and discussed the fact that on the FBI's most wanted terrorist page, Osama bin Laden is not wanted for 9/11. He asked why expressed disgust with the Bush Administration's stonewalling any investigation into the attacks. http://www.radiodujour.com/people/ventura_jesse/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And Respect. -Rich Fobes www.9-11.meetup.com/340 _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hal at drxyzzy.org Wed Sep 3 17:28:44 2008 From: hal at drxyzzy.org (Hal Snyder) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:28:44 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] A Better Day 2008 - September 20 References: <5DB4F321-628F-4E6F-BB5B-7FF60DE14D67@gmail.com> Message-ID: <089EF7DE-84F9-44ED-B579-E25BB63E9313@drxyzzy.org> Another local effort put on in part by some folks on this list: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Palatine Conference Fosters Grassroots Efforts Toward Peace, Justice, Sustainability. Palatine, IL - September 3, 2008 - When it comes to the large problems facing humanity, how can one person make a difference? A Better Day 2008 offers answers by bringing together distinguished speakers, activists, and community organizers for a day. The public is invited to learn and discuss the issues, make connections, and get involved in any of dozens of social benefit groups. A Better Day 2008 takes place Saturday, September 20, from 9 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. at Countryside Church Unitarian Universalist, 1025 N. Smith Street, Palatine, Illinois. This open, non-partisan event offers three tracks of activity: speakers, an exhibit of local organizations, and breakout sessions in the church classrooms. Jim Kenney of Common Ground will give the morning keynote, ?Peace is Possible?. Other speakers will address social and economic justice, sustainable living, support for our veterans, and ways of dealing with our differences. Exhibitors in the conference hall will include environmentalists, advocates for economic reform and social justice, and local peace groups. Programs will emphasize personal involvement. Program Committee member Kat Doyle said, "We want to tell everyone, you can do something! Working with other people for a good cause is a great way to make friends, discover skills you never knew you had, and just have fun." A Better Day 2008 is sponsored by the Adult Faith Development Council of Countryside Church Unitarian Universalist, Palatine, Illinois. Contact: Hal Snyder, M.D. A Better Day 2008 Program Committee 224-678-6188 hal at better-day.info http://www.better-day.info ### -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From edward_rynearson at yahoo.com Wed Sep 3 22:56:01 2008 From: edward_rynearson at yahoo.com (Edward Rynearson) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:56:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CitizensTruth] Do you like the taste of boots? Message-ID: <826399.25004.qm@web30004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> September 3, 2008 Peter B Collins visits with Amy Goodman and her producer Nicole Salazar who tell the story of the violent police over reaction and their respective arrests this past Monday, Labor Day, at the Republican National Convention in St. Paul, Minnesota. http://www.radiodujour.com/people/goodman_amy/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mjkirk12 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 4 15:53:10 2008 From: mjkirk12 at yahoo.com (Mike Kirk) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:53:10 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [CitizensTruth] Free Constitution Bumper Sticker from ACLU Message-ID: <29267959.1220557990992.JavaMail.www@app20> A message from Mike Kirk mjkirk12 at yahoo.com. >From the ACLU - follow the Constitution, now! Hey, We?re buried in a blizzard of speeches, TV ads, emails and phone calls from political candidates. But are they talking about the issues that matter to you and me? Who will act with energy and conviction to restore our lost liberties? Who will put their foot down to end torture? Who will hold accountable those who condoned illegal activities? I think these are critical issue this election season. That's why I just signed the ACLU's "I Am a Constitution Voter" pledge and got my free bumper sticker. Join me and let candidates know you want immediate action to restore our fundamental freedoms. Get your free bumper sticker today. http://action.aclu.org/bumper_sticker Click here to view a printable version of this message. https://secure.aclu.org/site/Ecard?tl_id=gZOtBtEfvS3alyRbEyfcHA.&s_oo=-WPW96mvgEhTv68Njvg7RQ..&s_tlid=421834 . Click here to send your own eCard. https://secure.aclu.org/site/Ecard?ecard_id=5061&s_oo=dzggMvvqr-clF9SdnWSmNg..&s_tlid=421834 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From aqmstaffo at mailbag.com Fri Sep 5 04:34:00 2008 From: aqmstaffo at mailbag.com (Daniel Stafford) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 03:34:00 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] A Better Day - (3rd annual Progressive Fest Illinois) Saturday, September 20th 9a-4:30p Message-ID: <48C0EEF8.4080302@mailbag.com> http://www.better-day.info/ *FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:* *Palatine Conference Fosters Grassroots Efforts Toward Peace, Justice, Sustainability.* *Palatine, IL - September 3, 2008* - When it comes to the large problems facing humanity, how can one person make a difference? A Better Day 2008 offers answers by bringing together distinguished speakers, activists, and community organizers for a day. The public is invited to learn and discuss the issues, make connections, and get involved in any of dozens of social benefit groups. A Better Day 2008 takes place Saturday, September 20, from 9 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. at Countryside Church Unitarian Universalist, 1025 N. Smith Street, Palatine, Illinois. This open, non-partisan event offers three tracks of activity: speakers, an exhibit of local organizations, and breakout sessions in the church classrooms. Jim Kenney of Common Ground will give the morning keynote, "Peace is Possible". Other speakers will address social and economic justice, sustainable living, support for our veterans, and ways of dealing with our differences. Exhibitors in the conference hall will include environmentalists, advocates for economic reform and social justice, and local peace groups. Programs will emphasize personal involvement. Program Committee member Kat Doyle says, "We want to tell everyone, you can do something! Working with other people for a good cause is a great way to make friends, discover skills you never knew you had, and just have fun." A Better Day 2008 is sponsored by the Adult Faith Development Council of Countryside Church Unitarian Universalist, Palatine, Illinois. Contact: Hal Snyder, M.D. A Better Day 2008 Program Committee 224-678-6188 hal at better-day.info http://www.better-day.info What Is A Better Day? * A one-day grassroots gathering about peace, justice, and the environment. * A chance to network with people who are concerned about the way things are going and are determined to make a difference. * A day of learning about the issues from organizers who are at the forefront on matters of global and interfaith fellowship, social justice, and sustainability. * But most of all - a day to kick-start your participation in any of twenty or more local action groups - or if you are already involved, a chance to make new connections and reach out to the community. A Better Day was inspired by Fighting Bob Fest, the annual Wisconsin extravaganza that brings thousands of fired-up progressive speakers, organizers, and rabble-rousers to Baraboo every September. Morning Session / 9:00-9:30/ Doors Open, Registration / 9:30-10:00/ Opening * Rev. Hilary Landau-Krivchenia: Welcome * Hal Snyder: Getting the Most Out of the Day /10:00-10:45/ Keynote by Jim Kenney: Peace is Possible Common Ground /11:00-12:00/ Health and Education, Social Justice * 11:00-11:20 Melanie Schikore Andina: Social Justice Through the Arts * 11:30-11:50 Victoria Weiley: Living Within Your Means; Means Simply......Living Lunch Break - 12:00-1:30 Afternoon Session / 1:30-2:30/ Sustainability * 1:30- 1:50 Bruce Bendix: Defining a Sustainable Future Eco Squared Consulting * 2:00- 2:20 Jay Womack & Paul Sorci : Green Roof Wight & Company / 2:30-3:30/ Supporting Our Veterans * 2:30- 2:50 Dirk Enger: Our Veterans; Our Community Midwest Shelter for Homeless Veterans * 3:00- 3:20 Christopher France: Understanding PTSD Iraq Veterans Against the War / 3:30-4:15/ Panel: Dealing With Our Differences * Vid Axel - Non-Violent Communication Living Action * Jay Becker O'Neil World Can't Wait * Catherine Caporusso Chicago Area CodePINK , Northwest suburban NOW / 4:15/ Closing by Rev. Hilary Landau-Krivchenia: Taking A Better Day Forward Groups Working to Make a Difference We hope you'll use A Better Day as a chance to network. Joining a social benefit organization is a great way to make new friends and discover your hidden talents. We are opening Atherton Hall to tables for more than 20 organizations. We expect members or official representatives from the following: * Students for Animal Defense (College of DuPage) * Greater Chicago Caucus * Citizen Action/Illinois * Social Action Committee, CCUU * Green Sanctuary Committee, CCUU * National Organization for Women -- Northwest Suburban Chapter * Northwest Suburban Peace & Education Project * Chicago Area Code Pink * Working Families Win * Holistic Moms Network * Sierra Club -- Northwest Suburbs Region * ACLU * A+ Illinois * Illinois Coalition for Immigrant and Refugee Rights * Illinois Coalition for Justice, Peace, & the Environment * World Can't Wait * League of Women Voters * Iraq Veterans Against the War * Illinois League of Conservation Voters * Common Ground * Illinois Maternal & Child Health Coalition * Alliance for the Great Lakes * Midwest Shelter for Homeless Veterans Getting the Word Out Peace Justice and Sustainability Invitation (updated 9/02) Mindmap (updated 8/29) Registration form (save $2 by registering in advance at CCUU) What is A Better Day? (updated 8/29) /Help Us Publicize the Event! / /About US: / The team behind A Better Day arose from the joining of two groups. For two years, 2006 and 2007 , some of us helped organize the Illinois Progressive Fest in Big Rock, Illinois to bring together progressive candidates and activists working to put people before profits and restore the social contract in our government. In 2008 we formed the Progressive Fest Illinois (PFI) committee to work on non-partisan annual events going forward. The Adult Faith Development Council of CCUU (Countryside Church Unitarian Universalist) in Palatine includes persons dedicated to uplifting the human spirit and working with organizations in the community to promote peace, justice, and sustainability. email: info at better-day.info ? media contact: Hal Snyder 224-678-6188 Both groups were interested in bringing together speakers, activists, and the public for a day of learning and networking. 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The paleo-libertarians (the party-line "shut down the whole government NOW" crowd, including some who actually LIKE the Republicans) are organizing against me. Please help me inform the voters that there's a peace-and-truth candidate who can give the major parties a run for their money! I'm robo-calling 30,000+ voters -- see http://www.barrettforcongress.us. And I now have enough money for $500 worth of radio spots on the eve of the primary. If you give generously, I can mount an even more effective radio campaign. If I survive this tough primary, pro-war Democrat Ron Kind has already agreed to debate me. With Jesse Ventura in my corner, I think I have a chance at the upset of the century. Think of what that would do for 9/11 truth! Please give what you can via http://www.barrettforcongress.us For peace and truth Kevin Barrett PS Check out my 45-minute radio report "Fear and Loathing at the Republican National Convention" on http://www.noliesradio.org featuring interviews with Jesse Ventura, Ron Paul, Tucker Carlson, and others. And if you know anybody in Edmonton, tell them I'm speaking there Saturday: http://www.edmonton911truth.com /SPREAD THE WORD! PLEASE FORWARD WIDELY!/ From edward_rynearson at yahoo.com Sat Sep 6 02:12:10 2008 From: edward_rynearson at yahoo.com (Edward Rynearson) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 23:12:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CitizensTruth] This is one smart football player Message-ID: <934047.4020.qm@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Saturday, September 6, 2008 Alex Jones talks with Mark Stepnowski about the NYC 9/11 citizens intiative, his analysis of the recent NIST WTC7 report which includes the new ultra cosmic phenomenom labeled "thermal expansion" and his belief that another false flag blitz is coming right at us. http://www.radiodujour.com/people/stepnowski_mark/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Beverley ++++++Report: 3 Mossad spies killed in Iraq Sun, 07 Sep 2008 16:59:27 http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=68740§ionid=351020201 Three Mossad agents have been killed in the oil rich city of Kirkuk amid reports that the Israeli spy agency is active in northern Iraq. The Arab-language Israeli daily al-Arab reported that the three agents were killed on Wednesday in a blast at a building which was guarded by the US security firm Blackwater. According to report, the three agents carried fake Iraqi passports. Meanwhile, the Iraqi media reported that hundreds of Mossad agents had been deployed to northern Iraq. According to reports, the agents were tasked with the killing of the Iraqi scientists who were involved in the country's nuclear program under Saddam. US investigative journalist Seymour Hersh had earlier reported that Israeli agents were based in Iraq's Kurdistan to gather intelligence on Iran's nuclear activities. According to Hersh, the agents who were disguised as businessmen had managed to infiltrate into Iran and Syria and install smart espionage gadgets inside the countries. Israel hoped that the US would resume the activities of the Kirkuk-Haifa pipeline which was constructed during the British rule. Under pressure by Arab countries, the US, however, had to drop the plan. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.17/1657 - Release Date: 9/6/2008 8:07 PM __._,_.___ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hal at drxyzzy.org Sun Sep 7 23:44:19 2008 From: hal at drxyzzy.org (Hal Snyder) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 22:44:19 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] this Friday in Palatine - Angels in the Dust Message-ID: <78F45E16-8174-479F-8331-06FF670DAEF6@drxyzzy.org> We've started listing film screenings at ICJPE. - Hal http://icjpe.org/actions/details/?id=1534 Film: Angels in the Dust Sponsored by: Citizens Truth Date(s): 2008-09-12 Time: 07:00 pm Description: Film screening: Angels in the Dust - A story of hope and healing in the face of a staggering crisis. AIDS in South Africa is leaving thousands of children orphaned, with no adults to raise them. This is the story of Marion Cloete, a university-trained therapist who? with her husband and three daughters? walked away from a privileged life in a wealthy Johannesburg suburb to build Botshabelo, a village and school that provides shelter, food, and education to more than 550 South African children. ? Discussion to follow the film. Friday, September 12, 7:00 p.m. in Atherton Hall Countryside Church Unitarian Universalist 1025 N. Smith Rd. (between NW Hwy. & Dundee Rds.) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: GroupPhoto_SM.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 28476 bytes Desc: not available Url : From Walterb306 at cs.com Mon Sep 8 12:18:14 2008 From: Walterb306 at cs.com (Walterb306 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 12:18:14 EDT Subject: [CitizensTruth] ARTICLE-Three States Accused of Illegally Purging Voter Lists Message-ID: All, Another violation by state officials that threatens voters' rights, raising yet more concerns about the 2008 elections. Fortunately, some election watch groups, such as Fair Elections Legal Network, are challenging voter purging policies. Beverley http://www.alternet.org/democracy/92695/?page=entire Three States Accused of Illegally Purging Voter Lists By Steven Rosenfeld, AlterNet Posted on July 25, 2008, Printed on September 8, 2008 http://www.alternet.org/story/92695/ Election officials in a handful of states appear to be ignoring the federal law dictating the way registered voters may be purged from voter rolls, civil rights attorneys say. National voting rights groups have contacted officials in Kansas, Michigan and Louisiana in recent weeks because those states appear to be purging registered voters after election officials found duplicate names and birthdays of people on their voter lists and in out-of-state databases, such as driver's license records. The states are assuming that a more recent driver's license or voter registration in another state indicates that the voter has relocated, meaning the voter registration tied to their prior address is no longer valid. While purging voters who move, die or are imprisoned is a routine part of managing elections, the federal law governing purges -- the National Voter Registration Act -- lays out a multiyear process of trying to contact voters to confirm a change of address before deleting them from voter rolls. The election attorneys say the NVRA process seeks to err on the side of protecting voting rights and cannot be circumvented by what appears to be a duplicate voter registration. "The National Voter Registration Act (NVRA) limits the circumstances in which a state may cancel a voter's registration," the Fair Elections Legal Network, a Washington-based voting rights consortium, said in a June 24 letter to Kansas Secretary of State Ron Thornburgh. "The NVRA does not permit cancellation based on a match alone." "We are looking at several statewide purge issues," said Bradley Heard, a senior attorney with Advancement Project, a voting rights law firm. He said that in Michigan, both data matching and mailings by local officials to verify a voter's registration information were of concern. "We are also looking at a state law that calls for purging a bunch of voter registration records that are otherwise eligible." But state election officials in these three states disagree with the voting rights groups, offering different explanations that suggest existing state laws or election management practices pre-empt the NVRA. "We follow the state law that was adopted by our state Legislature," said Jacques Berry, press secretary for Louisiana Secretary of State Jay Dardenne, a Republican. "It supersedes the NVRA." "There is a section of the NVRA that they (the voting rights lawyers) interpret differently than we do," said Brad Bryant, Kansas deputy secretary of state. "It has been this way for 15 years." Kelly Chesney, spokeswoman for Michigan Secretary of State Terri Lynn Land, did not reply to requests to comment. Voting Rights Groups Target Purges Last week, Project Vote, which is working in two dozen states to register voters in 2008, sent a letter to Dardenne saying his state appeared to be ignoring sections of the NVRA that require that voters be notified by mail over two federal election cycles before being removed. Project Vote's attorney said Louisiana Commissioner of Elections Angie LaPlace was treating apparently duplicate database listings as "cases of suspected fraud or some other irregularity." Last year, the NAACP Legal Defense Fund sued Louisiana over the purging of registrations of refugees from Hurricanes Katrina and Rita. Many people who applied for a driver's license in a neighboring state -- to quickly acquire an ID after losing their belongings in the storms -- also were registered to vote without their knowledge, NAACP attorneys said. Those new voter registrations resulted in 21,000 voters being removed from Louisiana voter rolls last August, the group said. While the NAACP suit was dismissed, Project Vote's recent letter suggests the state's voter list maintenance practices have not changed. Project Vote also wrote to the U.S. Department of Justice about the matter, as the agency oversees federal elections in most Southern states as a result of the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Louisiana election officials disagreed with Project Vote's assessment, saying the state has its own voter purge process that "supersedes" the federal law. Berry, the secretary of state's spokesman, explained that Louisiana updates its voter roll annually with multiple mailings to voters so the lists are accurate in state elections -- not just federal contests. He said that process is more rigorous than that outlined in the federal NVRA, requiring, for instance, that voters reaffirm their Louisiana voter registrations in person after receiving a final state notice. Berry said the process was approved by the Department of Justice. "What we find is in the vast majority of cases the voter has moved out of Louisiana and registered in another state, not realizing that they will not automatically cancel their voter registration," he said. The issue of whether states are heeding the National Voter Registration Act reveals how the implementation of the nation's election laws often turns on a patchwork of local or state policies. In the absence of litigation, whether a state or election jurisdiction is following the NVRA often remains a question of local interpretation. In Madison County, Mississippi, county supervisors this week rescinded a plan to send a mass mailing to voters, where returned postcards were to be used to purge voters over a two-year period. In this instance, Project Vote notified county officials that its timetable would violate the NVRA, and, according to local news reports, the county's supervisors decided to abandon the plan and instead prepare for a high-turnout election in the fall. "The mildest things confuse people and can ultimately disenfranchise people during elections," Madison County Supervisor Karl Banks said in a Clarion Ledger report. "Here we are willing to disenfranchise people because they don't send a card back?" In Kansas, Bryant, the deputy assistant secretary of state, said his state has an established practice of comparing its voter rolls with databases from neighboring states to identify people who have moved. He said Kansas has a "memorandum of understanding" with 11 states to share databases that can be used to clean up voter files. Those states are Missouri, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, South Dakota, Texas, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Colorado, New Mexico and Arizona. Bryant said statewide election data has improved in recent years, facilitating the job of updating voter rolls. The federal Help America Vote Act, passed in 2002 after Florida's presidential election debacle, required states to consolidate county or municipal voter rolls into statewide lists. Bryant said the new statewide lists have created "certain data elements" that can be compared with other states, such as driver's license data. "All the comparisons do is create a list of possible matches in each state," Bryant said, adding that it is then up to each state to decide how it treats that information for purge purposes. The attorneys for the voting rights groups agree to a point, saying vote list maintenance in itself is an important and necessary goal. However, the attorneys and states disagree about what should come after the matches are discovered -- whether to immediately purge voters or to follow the NVRA process of sending postcards to voters over two federal election cycles to verify their reside nce and registration information. Bryant said he did not know how many registered voters had been removed in 2008 using his state's data-matching process. Michigan's Secretive Approach In Michigan, the issues are more complex. Advancement Project's Heard said there has been an overall lack of "transparency" regarding several aspects of the state's voter purge process. In 2006, he said, Michigan election officials did a statewide mailing to all voters that did not mention the mailing would be used to verify voter registration information. Still, Heard said the returned postcards were used to remove 230,000 registered voters from voter rolls within 90 days of that year's general election, which also violates the NVRA, he said. Jan BenDor, statewide coordinator for the Michigan Election Defense Alliance, a local voting rights group, said state officials cited an April 2007 letter from the Department of Justice pressuring the state to do more to clean up its voter roll for the statewide mailing and August 2006 purge. Ten states received those letters, which critics said was a political move because the claims of sloppy voter rolls was based on outdated data, notably U.S. Census population estimates. Since the 2006 purge, Michigan has used driver's license databases from other states to identify another 280,000 names as apparent duplicate voter registrations, Heard said. This month, staffers for Michigan Secretary of State Land, a Republican, canceled a meeting with Heard and Michigan activists to discuss purge issues. "We have been trying to get a meeting with election officials to talk about the issues and get their explanation," Heard said. "It's hard to say what happened with the 280,000 supposed out-of-state movers, since we can't get the info from the state." Land's spokeswoman, Chesney, did not respond to requests to comment. However, newspapers in Michigan have quoted Chesney as saying the meeting was canceled when an information session appeared to be a precursor to litigation. Heard said Advancement Project has not ruled out filing a lawsuit. "We have to evaluate all of our options," he said. "We are hoping the secretary of state's staff will sit down and talk about it." Purge Issues Not Going Away The purge issue is only going to rise in profile in the coming weeks. Several voting rights groups are studying the process in a number of swing states and hope to issue reports later this summer. Among the issues being studied is the accuracy of the database matches used to purge voters. When California first implemented a data-matching program in 2006, some counties had error rates as high as 40 percent, meaning a registered voter who appeared to have moved would have been incorrectly purged without further efforts to confirm their residency and voter registration status. Steven Rosenfeld is a senior fellow at Alternet and co-author of What Happened in Ohio: A Documentary Record of Theft and Fraud in the 2004 Election, with Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman (The New Press, 2006). ? 2008 Independent Media Institute. All rights reserved. View this story online at: http://www.alternet.org/story/92695/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Walterb306 at cs.com Tue Sep 9 09:58:24 2008 From: Walterb306 at cs.com (Walterb306 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 09:58:24 EDT Subject: [CitizensTruth] ARTICLE- Real ID Message-ID: All, FYI, Beverley REAL ID: CONNECTING THE DOTS TO AN INTERNATIONAL ID By Representative Sam E. Rohrer August 24, 2008 NewsWithViews.com History offers many examples of societies which have sought to increase security by sacrificing freedom. America itself provides many pertinent instances. However, our founding fathers have not left us without wisdom on this issue. Ben Franklin has famously stated, "People willing to trade freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both." REAL ID undoubtedly exemplifies a scenario in which a difficult tension exists between freedom and security. By commandeering every state's driver's license issuing process, REAL ID threatens the results warned by Franklin - loss of both freedom and security. It has become the biometric enrollment phase of a plan to implement a terribly invasive tracking system, largely without public knowledge or approval. REAL ID is merely the current face of a far larger, international government and private economic effort to collect, store, and distribute the sensitive biometric data of citizens to use for the twin purposes of government tracking and economic control. At issue are much more than standardized or non-duplicative driver's licenses. This effort extends worldwide, threatening every person alive today. Although very legitimate security concerns exist in this age of terrorism, this Act extends far beyond terrorism prevention or protection of the innocent. Keeping that broad picture in mind, let us move to some background behind the face of REAL ID implementation in America. The REAL ID Act passed Congress in 2005 buried in a "must-pass" war funding and tsunami relief bill. The little debate in the House and total absence of debate in the Senate ensured that many Congressmen did not realize the full implications of REAL ID. Importantly, the desire by government and economic interests to implement a national tracking and ID system did not start with the REAL ID Act in 2005. Under the guise of security, it has been attempted numerous times in the past, even during Ronald Reagan's administration. When former Attorney General William French Smith proposed to implement what he called a "perfectly harmless" national ID system as well as when a second cabinet member proposed to "tattoo a number on each American's forearm," Ronald Reagan responded, "My God, that's the mark of the beast," signaling an abrupt end to the national ID debate during the Reagan years. The significant opposition to a national ID system in the past extends to the REAL ID issue today. This conviction has united both Democrats and Republicans as well as such normally opposed groups as the ACLU and the ACLJ. Whether the concern is privacy, religious rights, states' rights, or cost of implementation, REAL ID has galvanized broad and deep resistance, currently including an estimated six hundred groups. Today, over twenty legislatures have passed resolutions or legislation variously opposing implementation of the REAL ID Act. Eleven of those legislatures have gone further by passing laws specifically prohibiting compliance with REAL ID. What does REAL ID do? REAL ID attempts to mandate a standardized process and format for all state drivers' licenses to achieve increased security. Most importantly in this standardized process, REAL ID mandates a certain picture quality. A footnote issued by the Department of Homeland Security establishes this quality as compliant with the ICAO Document 9303 biometric format. The global body setting this format, the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO), is a specialized agency created under the United Nations. Biometric data can be produced from a simple digital photograph of this quality by running the picture of a person's face through a software program which measures and analyzes the unique, personally identifiable characteristics of that face. The process results in a unique numeric code which identifies a person according to facial measurements. You read that correctly. A unique number or "code" is developed from an algorithmic formula which converts a digital biometric sample to biometric "face print" data. Under REAL ID biometric facial recognition technology, you become a number literally worn on your face - a number which is read by computer, tracked by surveillance camera, and distributed worldwide. Clearly, this international standard provides global compatibility of American citizens' biometric data collected through REAL ID. Having this background, we should observe that many Americans still do not know why the provisions of the REAL ID Act must be rejected and aggressively opposed because they do not understand the full implications of REAL ID. Many wrongly assume that the legitimate need for security trumps all other considerations. However, REAL ID is not primarily about a secure driver's license or terrorism prevention. The full and dangerous implications of REAL ID may be fleshed out through a discussion of why each American must vigorously oppose this Act's most basic tenets. It poses dangers in the following three areas: 1 - REAL ID violates Constitutional rights. 2 - REAL ID compromises national and state sovereignty. 3 - REAL ID threatens the safety of all Americans. I- First, let us note that compliance with REAL ID would violate our constitutionally protected freedoms. Amendment I - Freedom of Religion REAL ID violates freedom of religion for some citizens by forcing inclusion into a system which requires a picture - and more - just to access public services. The Amish and some Mennonites provide examples of religious groups who view the mere taking of photographs as idolatry. REAL ID conditions their freedoms, such as entering a federal building, upon a provision which violates their religious beliefs. Because this "government" identification system limits travel and access to certain public places, and could even become a debit card, other more mainline religious groups view REAL ID as the advent of the "mark of the beast." Particularly because this technology assigns a unique number to represent each person's biometric face print, these concerns are hardly unfounded. A Powerpoint presentation from L-1 Identity Solutions, the major biometrics company in the U.S. today, bolsters this claim. A slide in that presentation includes a graph which charts future likely applications for biometrics. Phase 1 of this "blueprint" for biometric implementation utilizes the authority of Federal agencies to impose such requirements as REAL ID. Phase utilizes bureaucratic leveraging on regulated industries to implement biometrics. Phase 3 anticipates mass implementation on the citizens at large for such everyday activities as buying and selling. As an example, under Phase 2 DHS is attempting to force airlines to pick up the costs of collecting biometrics from foreigners at airports. In Texas under Phase 3, a company is experimenting with using the driver's license as a debit card. Whether one is personally alarmed at some or all of these concerns, REAL ID would prohibit the free exercise of religion for many people. Amendment IV Freedom of Privacy REAL ID also violates the Fourth Amendment's guarantee of freedom of privacy. First, by mandating the collection, storage, and dissemination of personally identifiable data without any informed consent, REAL ID tramples on this right. In reality, this practice constitutes government-sanctioned identity theft and seriously breaches the "security of person" guaranteed to every U.S. citizen. No sufficiently compelling need exists to warrant government mass collection and storage of such sensitive information about its citizens. Concern heightens even further when private corporations control the databases being set up to house this information. As an example, L-1 Identity Solutions houses a database of U.S. driver's license information. This company, which has consolidated a virtual monopoly on the driver's license issuing market in the U.S., will handle all private information collected during the license issuing process. Secondly, REAL ID threatens freedom of privacy because this warehoused data cannot be confidently secured. Even the Department of Homeland Security's own Privacy Impact Assessment fails to guarantee that the database linking and networking that will result from REAL ID will be secure. Many privacy experts agree that REAL ID will actually increase identity theft! In reality, the database and access to it will create an electronic superhighway for potential mass identity theft. Thirdly, REAL ID violates the Fourth Amendment in that the process of collecting personal biometric data without consent violates the very laws that exist to protect against such measures. This is probably one of the most significant Constitutional issues. Current US law allows the collection of biometric information only in the case of criminal activity. However, REAL ID institutionalizes the capture of facial recognition biometrics for every driver, regardless of criminality. Fourthly, REAL ID ripens the climate for aggressive efforts to control the masses via information and leading-edge technology, regardless of crucial privacy considerations. Data collection and surveillance is simultaneously occurring across several diverse fronts, each one a potential privacy danger painting the broader picture of where REAL ID will take us as a country. For instance: 1- In Rhode Island, a school district is allowing a company to place radio frequency tracking (RFID) chips in students' book bags. 2- Nationwide, Great Britain has installed an estimated 4.2 million surveillance cameras utilizing facial recognition technology to keep tabs on all citizens. These cameras, of which there is 1 for every 14 citizens, can observe a person up to 300 times in a normal day in the city of London. 3- China is aggressively pursuing country-wide surveillance of its citizens using facial recognition technology purchased from a contractor supplied by the previously mentioned L-1 Identity Solutions. 4- According to a June 28, 2008 New York Times article, US and European officials are nearly agreed upon a "binding international agreement" which would allow "European governments and companies to transfer personal information to the United States, and vice versa." Under the cloak of terrorism prevention, European governments could request "private information - like credit card transactions, travel histories, and Internet browsing habits" about American citizens. 5- Homeland Security Presidential Directive 24 issued by the President on June 5, 2008, "establishes a framework to ensure that Federal executive departments and agencies use mutually compatible methods and procedures in the collection, storage, use, analysis, and sharing of biometric and associated biographic and contextual information of individuals." This step shows the President's extensive authority and disregard for privacy in streamlining the biometric sharing process. 6- The FBI is currently building a billion-dollar database to house an enormous amount of biometric data. While officially aimed at housing criminal and terrorist data, this database already retains finger prints, iris scans and other individual biometrics that the government collects on ordinary citizens. Who knows the extent of the private information that will be stored in this massive database? REAL ID-collected "face prints" are just one more piece of the data collection and tracking system. These examples only serve to underscore the aggressive global government efforts to track and control citizens. In every case, REAL ID violates the freedoms guaranteed by the Fourth Amendment. Amendment X States' Rights REAL ID violates the Tenth Amendment in that the federal government is attempting to force the states to collect private data on their citizens, only to allow that data to be shipped out-of-state and shared worldwide. This action forces the states to work against the very interests of the citizens they are to protect. When states accede to this pressure under REAL ID, they allow the transfer of state authority to the federal government. The separation of powers built into our Constitution then crumbles as the federal government makes the rules, interprets the rules, and enforces the rules regarding all state drivers' licenses. II- In addition to the three ways REAL ID would violate the Constitution, compliance with the REAL ID Act would undermine our national and state sovereignty. While REAL ID reads like a manual for a national ID card, the Department of Homeland Security's own rules for REAL ID reveal that it implements an international ID system based on biometric identification. Complying with the requirements under REAL ID would violate U.S. national and state sovereignty by forcing states to adopt international biometric facial image standards and to document standards set by international organizations. As mentioned previously, the ICAO, affiliated with the UN, sets the standards for facial image captures (photos). Besides tracking the movements of international travelers, the ICAO also has assumed the responsibility of creating a common international passport system that stores individual personal and biometric information on a RFID chip built into the passport. The American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators (AAMVA), which recognizes ICAO standards, "enables" this scheme. This international body and private organization sets nearly all the standards for REAL ID document scanning, storage, data encryption, barcode and layout design to comply with their 2005 international driver's license system. Under REAL ID, AAMVA is the hub and backbone of the database system being set up to share information between states. From a broad perspective, the system created by REAL ID destroys national sovereignty and constitutional authority by removing control of government from the people and establishing government control over the people. Furthering AAMVA's control strategy here in North America, implementation of REAL ID is "de facto" enrollment of each state into AAMVA's Driver's License Agreement (DLA). AAMVA has pushed the DLA, which meets REAL ID specifications, for nearly ten years. The implementation of this DLA is crucially important to the global effort because it mandates the sharing of all U.S. drivers' license information with Mexico and Canada. This egregious step places U.S. citizen's data at the mercy of Canadian and Mexican privacy controls, further exacerbating the identity theft problem, and violating Constitutional law and national sovereignty by essentially having states form a treaty with a foreign nation. REAL ID also violates national sovereignty because any international system includes and requires agreements and obligations that would weaken any sovereign standing. In fact, a Government Computer News report notes the following from Robert Mocny, acting program manager for the U.S. Visitor and Immigrant Status Indicator Technology program. His quote comes from comments about a federal plan to extend biometric data sharing to Asian and European governments and corporations, so as to create a Global Security Envelope of identity management. "My question is, how is it ethical not to share?" Mocny asked. "It makes no sense for us to develop separate systems . . . information sharing is appropriate around the world." Government Computer News further notes that he is sketching a plan for sharing biometric data that would permanently link an individual with data that governments and corporations hold. Since both governments and corporations have been infiltrated by extremists and terrorists and since certain governments of today may be our enemies tomorrow, I hardly think that worldwide sharing of our citizen's data is a good idea! Enhanced Driver's Licenses (or EDL's) provide a further example of the undermining of national and state sovereignty. Citizens that purchase these nearly REAL ID-compliant licenses, which contain biographic and biometric information on an RFID chip, can use them as a passport to enter either Mexico or Canada. This advancement establishes the international ID designation of REAL ID. The Canadian province British Columbia has also issued a new EDL which, according to their website is also, "an acceptable document for entry from Canada into the United States by land and water." REAL ID violates state sovereignty because the issue in contention is "national identity management", with the federal government manipulating the tool of state driver's licenses. Consider the following statements about REAL ID from Electronic Data Systems, the very company likely to maintain AAMVA's driver's license database: "The Real ID Act, then, is about more than a driver's license. It puts in place a set of standards for Identity Management (IdM) that can be leveraged across an entire government organization to create an integrated citizen identity security program." The international biometric standards mandated in DHS's final rules, paint the broader picture of an international ID card for government surveillance and tracking. III- REAL ID would endanger Constitutional rights and both national and state sovereignty. Finally, let us consider that compliance with the REAL ID Act would compromise the safety of our people. Unlike what some government officials might say, 9/11 and the prevention of terrorism are not the real reasons for REAL ID. In fact, this technology was being pushed well before /11. Although REAL ID and biometrics are promoted as the "cure-all" to terrorism and identity theft problems, many highly dispute this claim. In response to the post-9/11 claims of biometrics companies that their technology could have prevented 9/11, Jim Wayman, the former head of the US Biometrics Center countered, "No, the government didn't have this stuff in place, precisely because it had been working on it and knew its limitations and didn't find any value for the costs involved." He further noted, "It's going to be hard to know how these technologies can be applied to increase national security. We're not just going to turn these machines on and start catching terrorists." REAL ID will not assure greater safety since terrorists will either avoid or duplicate a REAL ID compliant drivers' license, although a correctly operating biometric system would certainly increase the difficulty of faking or forging a license. Despite the government's assurances about the "certain" safety benefits of REAL ID, no government or company can create a foolproof, perfectly secure system. A person who breaks the law or who desires to wreak havoc on American soil will find a loophole with which to avoid the requirements of REAL ID. One needs only consider that driver's licenses on the black market will continue to be readily available. Further, the safety of law abiding citizens will be compromised as their identities are stolen, stored and made accessible to thieves around the globe. Some people reject this idea because they hope that the government will be able to protect their identity once it has all of a person's information. The simple faith implicit in this idea is widely misplaced, however. As proof, consider that in 2007, a Globe and Mail report noted, "A security flaw in Passport Canada's website has allowed easy access to the personal information - including social insurance numbers, dates of birth and driver's license numbers - of people applying for new passports." A breach of security in Great Britain last December resulted in the loss of approximately 25 million individual records. In my state of Pennsylvania, a security breach which occurred two years ago at a Driver's License Center resulted in over 11,000 records being compromised. Such security breaches highlight significant personal dangers to law abiding citizens and prove that the only secure data is uncollected data. Finally, REAL ID does not assure safety because biometric technology itself does not work predictably. At this point in time, the technology we are discussing does not work well; hence REAL ID and facial recognition biometrics can not ensure safety. As a result, no one has yet been successfully prosecuted via facial biometrics. The opportunity for false identification and therefore being, "guilty before proven innocent" is great. For example, the Tampa, Florida police force scrapped a facial recognition system in 2003 because, according to a spokesman, "We never identified, were alerted to, or caught any criminal. It didn't work." While on its face, the concept of REAL ID seems like it would increase security, it does not. A Privacy International Study conducted in 2004 found "Of the 5 countries that have been most adversely affected by terrorism since 1986, eighty percent have national identity cards, one third of which incorporate biometrics. This research was unable to uncover any instance where the presence of an identity card system in those countries was seen as a significant deterrent to terrorist activity." The simple truth is that REAL ID cannot stop crime. In summary, we have seen that REAL ID threatens Constitutional rights, national and state sovereignty, and the safety of our people. The enrollment of American citizens into an international biometric system of identification and tracking constitutes the heart of the REAL ID issue. A secure driver's license is not the ultimate goal or certainly the ultimate result of the REAL ID Act. And it is unfortunately clear that the ultimate purpose is government tracking and economic control through enhanced knowledge and surveillance through biometric identification and tracking. This being established, it is clear that this aggressive effort of the federal government, working hand-in-hand with private commercial interests, must be opposed on every level. While Congress must move to quickly repeal the passage of the REAL ID Act, the states provide an ideal position from which to fight this encroachment by the federal government. The responsibility for the security and privacy of our own generation and the generations to come, however, rests upon our shoulders. The next action to be taken involves the following three steps. First, Congress must immediately repeal the REAL ID Act and resist any effort to pass anything remotely similar. Secondly, individual states which have not passed legislation preventing implementation of any provision of REAL ID, particularly the biometric portion, must do so without delay. As has been stressed throughout this article, biometrics is the core provision of REAL ID; consequently, the states must move to protect their citizens' biometric data immediately. This step is critical because the vast majority of statutory law did not envision the breadth of individually identifiable data that could be gleaned by rapidly advancing technology. Further, because L-1 Identity Solutions holds a virtual monopoly as contractor for state DMVs, they could use their position to coerce the states into implementing all of DHS's wishes. This scenario further endangers state's rights. Therefore, it is not enough for states to simply stop collecting biometric data. They must purge and "dumb-down" databases to preclude any government knowledge or use of private citizen's biometrics. Additionally, private third-party inspections should be ordered to ensure that all measures have been fully implemented. Fundamentally, the states must demand control they must inform the contractor what to do, not vice versa. Thirdly, citizens must play a role in resisting illegitimate actions of the federal government. They must be encouraged in their capacity as law-abiding citizens to whom Constitutional guarantees were acknowledged, to resist implementation of any effort that would compromise their individual, God-given rights. The American people remain the strongest defenders of freedom in the world. Many in our past have died for the liberties we enjoy today. Most of us are still willing to fight and die today for our freedom and the freedom of our children tomorrow. May we each do our part to ensure the greatest nation on earth remains "the land of the free and the home of the brave!" "Liberty has never come from the government; it has always come from the subjects of it. The history of liberty is a history of limitation of governmental power, not the increase of it." -Woodrow Wilson Sam Rohrer is a Representative for the state of Pennsylvania and a member of the American Policy Center Advisory Board. For more information on the dangers of the Real ID Act, contact: Mark Lerner Co-Founder - Stop Real ID Coalition Phone: (816) 401-7615 Email: stoprealid at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From richardfobes at hotmail.com Wed Sep 10 12:11:48 2008 From: richardfobes at hotmail.com (richardfobes ) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:11:48 +0000 Subject: [CitizensTruth] 9-11-08 events in Chicago Message-ID: Thanks for the plug, andrew, Also, some activists are going to be hitting up NBC, FOX, ABC, Tribune and highway blogging during the day with a huge "Stop the 9-11 Cover-up" banner, If you are interested, please contact swizzlesteve at mac.com, All the best, from Ground Zero, -Rich From richardfobes at hotmail.com Wed Sep 10 16:49:43 2008 From: richardfobes at hotmail.com (Richard Fobes) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:49:43 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] UPDATED SCHEDULE FOR 9/11/08 - CHICAGO Message-ID: UPDATED SCHEDULE OF EVENTS: 8am-11:30am: Highway blogging (holding signs from the overpass on the highway) @ 90/94 and Lake Street on the overpass. You are encouraged to bring your video cameras, signs, and any other materials. 12pm-3:45pm: Street action Buckingham Fountain in Grant Park. Then a march to the Art Institute at 3:45pm. 4pm-7pm or later...: Street actions at the Art Institute and Columbia college. Our main presence will be at the Art Institute and the surrounding street corners. Activists are welcome to branch off and head just south to Columbia college as well. There will be several signs, dvds, and 9/11 Truth literature available for you all as well. Folks, we REALLY need a large presence out there this year. I invite ALL of you to come. Bring a friend. Bring a co-worker. Bring your family. Most of all, BRING YOURSELF. Remember, you are NOT alone. There is strength in numbers. You are fighting for the family members, the 1st Responders, the millions who know 9/11 was an inside job, the victim's family members from these illegal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, for the Constitution, for those who oppose tyranny, for each other. We are ALL in this together. THIS IS THE TIME TO SHOW YOUR SUPPORT FOR THE 9/11 TRUTH MOVEMENT RIGHT HERE IN CHICAGO. IF NOT NOW, WHEN?? Peace, and Respect. -Rich Fobes http://9-11.meetup.com/340/calendar/8658820/ _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ From richardfobes at hotmail.com Wed Sep 10 16:51:12 2008 From: richardfobes at hotmail.com (Richard Fobes) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:51:12 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] UPDATED SCHEDULE FOR 9/11/08 - CHICAGO Message-ID: UPDATED SCHEDULE OF EVENTS: 8am-11:30am: Highway blogging (holding signs from the overpass on the highway) @ 90/94 and Lake Street on the overpass. You are encouraged to bring your video cameras, signs, and any other materials. 12pm-3:45pm: Street action Buckingham Fountain in Grant Park. Then a march to the Art Institute at 3:45pm. 4pm-7pm or later...: Street actions at the Art Institute and Columbia college. Our main presence will be at the Art Institute and the surrounding street corners. Activists are welcome to branch off and head just south to Columbia college as well. There will be several signs, dvds, and 9/11 Truth literature available for you all as well. Folks, we REALLY need a large presence out there this year. I invite ALL of you to come. Bring a friend. Bring a co-worker. Bring your family. Most of all, BRING YOURSELF. Remember, you are NOT alone. There is strength in numbers. You are fighting for the family members, the 1st Responders, the millions who know 9/11 was an inside job, the victim's family members from these illegal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, for the Constitution, for those who oppose tyranny, for each other. We are ALL in this together. THIS IS THE TIME TO SHOW YOUR SUPPORT FOR THE 9/11 TRUTH MOVEMENT RIGHT HERE IN CHICAGO. IF NOT NOW, WHEN?? Peace, and Respect. -Rich Fobes http://9-11.meetup.com/340/calendar/8658820/ _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 From richardfobes at hotmail.com Wed Sep 10 16:59:34 2008 From: richardfobes at hotmail.com (Richard Fobes) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:59:34 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] HELP CONTACT THE MEDIA FOR OUR 9/11/08 ACTIONS Message-ID: Folks, please, take one minute and contact the local media and alert them to our events for tomorrow. Media coverage would be excellent!! 8am-11:30am: Highway blogging (holding signs from the overpass on the highway) @ 90/94 and Lake Street on the overpass. 12pm-3:45pm: Street action Buckingham Fountain in Grant Park. Then a march to the Art Institute at 3:45pm. 4pm-7pm or later...: Street actions at the Art Institute and Columbia college. CBS (312) 202-3601 NBC (800) CH5-NEWS ABC (312) 750-7070 WGN-TV (773) 528-2311 FOX (312) 565-5532/ (312) 565-3080 CLTV (630) 368-4000 WLS/ Radio/ (312) 984-0890 WBBM/ Radio/ (800) 784-NEWS WGN/ Radio/ (312) 222-4700 Tribune (312) 222-3232 Sun-Times (312) 321-3000 Also, watch this 8 minute video made by our very own Dave Biggs. 9/11 TRUTH IS EVERYWHERE: http://911blogger.com/node/17547 -Rich _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ From Walterb306 at cs.com Wed Sep 10 17:04:16 2008 From: Walterb306 at cs.com (Walterb306 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:04:16 EDT Subject: [CitizensTruth] Election Caging Action Alert Message-ID: All, Please consider contacting some of the media listed to demand coverage of severe voter caging per DailyKos. It's not just Ohio - or Florida - or ...................... Separately I'll send an additional national media contact list from a DailyKos blogger. Please distribute widely. Thanks, Beverley http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/8/0144/73374/148/589714 It's not just 600,000 in Ohio: LA, FL, MI, KS, NM, CO, and NV by Mebe Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 09:01:44 PM PDT Votes being purged left and right, well not really right, they are the purgers not the purgees. WE HAVE TO BUG THE SHIT OUT OF THE MEDIA TO GET THIS COVERED! ?Like now. Keith Olberman, Bill Moyers, anyone and everyone. Mebe's diary :: :: Yesterday, thankfully there was a diary on the rec list about 600,000 votes in Ohio, I am happy and glad that ?diary got some damn attention, far too many like it drop like rocks. ?EVERYTIME. I saw this over at Huffington Post. "Kansas, Michigan and Louisiana are purging their voter lists. http://www.alternet.org/... Colorado dumped ONE FIFTH of all voter registrations -- the largest in history Florida is refusing to accept 85,000 new registrants -- overwhelmingly blacks. New Mexico: purged half of the democrats in Mora county (Hispanics) and 600.000 mailers were returned Ohio & Nevada are scrubbing tens of 1000s of voters who lost their homes to foreclosures (Kerry lost by a mere 10-votes per district in Ohio) http://www.gregpalast.com/... We have got to get this information out. ?To all of the folks distracted by ?the she-devil, get your head out of Palin's ass and help us alert the media and everyone we know. Can you digg it? ?This story must get out, right now it's about 60 diggs short of making the page: http://digg.com/... Edited to add: Hey Kos could we please have a constant reminder of this issue up until the election? ?Something, please, ?I'm begging you. ?PS Love you and thanks for the site. Contact the media: ABC News 77 W. 66 St., New York, NY 10023 Phone: 212-456-7777 General e-mail: netaudr at abc.com Nightline: nightline at abcnews.com 20/20: 2020 at abc.com CBS News 524 W. 57 St., New York, NY 10019 Phone: 212-975-4321 Fax: 212-975-1893 Email forms for all CBS news programs CBS Evening News: evening at cbsnews.com The Early Show: earlyshow at cbs.com 60 Minutes II: 60minutes at cbsnews.com 48 Hours: 48hours at cbsnews.com Face The Nation: ftn at cbsnews.com CNBC 900 Sylvan Avenue, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 07632 Phone: (201) 735-2622 Fax: (201) 583-5453 Email: info at cnbc.com CNN One CNN Center, Box 105366, Atlanta, GA 30303-5366 Phone: 404-827-1500 Fax: 404-827-1784 Email forms for all CNN news programs Fox News Channel 1211 Ave. of the Americas, New York, NY 10036 Phone: (212) 301-3000 Fax: (212) 301-4229 comments at foxnews.com List of Email addresses for all Fox News Channel programs Special Report with Brit Hume: Special at foxnews.com FOX Report with Shepard Smith: Foxreport at foxnews.com The O'Reilly Factor: Oreilly at foxnews.com Hannity & Colmes: Hannity at foxnews.com, Colmes at foxnews.com On the Record with Greta: Ontherecord at foxnews.com MSNBC/NBC 30 Rockefeller Plaza, New York, NY 10112 Phone: (212) 664-4444 Fax: (212) 664-4426 List of Email addresses for all MSNBC/NBC news programs Dateline NBC: dateline at nbc.com Hardball with Chris Matthews: hardball at msnbc.com MSNBC Reports with Joe Scarborough: joe at msnbc.com NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams: nightly at nbc.com NBC News Today: today at nbc.com PBS 2100 Crystal Drive, Arlington VA 22202 Phone: 703-739-5000 Fax: 703-739-8458 The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer: newshour at pbs.org National Radio Programs National Public Radio 635 Massachusetts Ave. NW, Washington, DC 20001-3753 Phone: 202-513-3232 Fax: 202-513-3329 E-mail: Jeffrey A. Dvorkin, Ombudsman ombudsman at npr.org List of Email addresses for all NPR news programs The Rush Limbaugh Show 1270 Avenue of the Americas, NY 10020 Phone (on air): 800-282-2882 Fax: 212-445-3963 E-mail: ElRushbo at eibnet.com Sean Hannity Show Phone (on air): 800-941-7326 Sean Hannity: 212-613-3800 James Grisham, Producer: 212-613-3807 E-mail: Phil Boyce, Program Director phil.boyce at citcomm.com National Newspapers The Los Angeles Times 202 West First Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012 Phone: 800-528-4637 or 213-237-5000 Fax: 213-237-4712 L.A. Times Contact Information by Department Letters to the Editor: letters at latimes.com Readers' Representative: readers.rep at latimes.com The New York Times 620 8th Ave., New York, NY 10018 Phone: 212-556-1234 D.C. Bureau phone: 202-862-0300 Fax: 212-556-3690 Letters to the Editor (for publication): letters at nytimes.com Write to the news editors: news-tips at nytimes.com Corrections: senioreditor at nytimes.com New York Times Contact Information by Department How to Contact New York Times Reporters and Editors USA Today 7950 Jones Branch Dr., McLean, VA 22108 Phone: 703-854-3400 Fax: 703-854-2078 Letters to the Editor: editor at usatoday.com Give feedback to USA Today The Wall Street Journal 200 Liberty St., New York, NY 10281 Phone: 212-416-2000 Fax: 212-416-2658 Letters to the Editor: wsj.ltrs at wsj.com Comment on News Articles: wsjcontact at dowjones.com The Washington Post 1150 15th St., NW, Washington, DC 20071 Phone: 202-334-6000 Fax: 202-334-5269 Letters to the Editor: letters at washpost.com Ombudsman: ombudsman at washpost.com Contact Washington Post Writers and Editors Magazines Newsweek 251 W 57th Street, New York, NY 10019 Phone: 212-445-4000 Fax: 212-445-5068 Letters to the Editor: letters at newsweek.com Time Time & Life Bldg., Rockefeller Center, 1271 6th Ave., New York, NY 10020 Phone: 212-522-1212 Fax: 212-522-0003 Letters to the Editor letters at time.com U.S. News & World Report 1050 Thomas Jefferson St., Washington, DC 20007 Phone: 202-955-2000 Fax: 202-955-2049 Letters to the Editor letters at usnews.com News Services / Wires Associated Press 450 West 33rd St., New York, NY 10001 Phone: 212-621-1500 Fax: 212-621-7523 General Questions and Comments: info at ap.org Partial Contact Information for the Associated Press by Department and Bureau Reuters Three Times Square, New York, NY 10036 Telephone: 646-223-4000 Reuters Editorial Feedback United Press International 1133 19th Street, NW, Suite 800, Washington, DC 20036 Telephone: 202-898-8000 FAX: 202-898-8048 Comments and Tips: tips at upi.com Tags: voting, caging, election protection, election integrity, Recommended (all tags) :: Previous Tag Versions -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Beverley MEDIA CONTACT LISTS FROM DAILYKOS 9-10-2008 Set 1: Primarily National Television News media ? ?countdown at msnbc.com, KOlbermann at msnbc.com, CJ at MSNBC.com, JTrippi at MSNBC.com, hardball at msnbc.com, abramsreport at msnbc.com, dshuster at msnbc.com, dennis.sullivan at msnbc.com, norville at msnbc.com, joe at msnbc.com, msnbcinvestigates at msnbc.com, feedback at msnbc.com, rreagan at msnbc.com, viewerservices at msnbc.com, brian.williams at msnbc.com, imus at msnbc.com, chris.matthews at msnbc.com, msnbcreports at msnbc.com, chrismatthews at msnbc.com, editors at tnr.com, letters at tnr.com, thecrypt at politico.com, bsmith at politico.com, joe_klein at timemagazine.com, news-tips at nytimes.com, today at nbc.com, info at cnbc.com, dateline at nbc.com, nightly at nbc.com, MTP at nbc.com, tom.lea at nbc.com, steve.majors at nbc.com, susan.dutcher at nbc.com, rod.prince at nbc.com, jonathan.wald at nbc.com, lisa.hsia at nbc.com, betsy.fischer at nbc.com, mtp at nbc.com, NETAUDR at abc.com, 2020 at abc.com, nightline at abcnews.com, wnn at abcnews.com, support at abcnews.go.com, niteline at abc.com, abc.news.magazines at abc.com, phil.boyce at abc.com, thisweek at abc.com, mimi.gurbst at abc.com, mark.nelson at abc.com, virginia.moseley at abc.com, penny.britell at abc.com, muriel.pearson at abc.com, sharon.newman at abc.com, meredith.white at abc.com, gil.pimentel at abc.com, stu.schutzman at abc.com, evening at cbsnews.com, earlyshow at cbs.com, 48hours at cbsnews.com, ftn at cbsnews.com, 60m at cbsnews.com, thismorning at cbsnews.com, bpc at cbsnews.com, dij at cbsnews.com, efm at cbsnews.com, mkx at cbsnews.com, pma at cbsnews.com, rbc at cbsnews.com, sundays at cbsnews.com, grain at cbsnews.com, realitycheck at cbsnews.com, pls at cbsnews.com, pjh at cbsnews.com, wolf at cnn.com, 360 at cnn.com, aaron.brown at turner.com, Paula.Zahn2 at cnn.com, crossfire at cnn.com, daybreak at cnn.com, jeff.greenfield at cnn.com, livefrom at cnn.com, loudobbs at cnn.com, newsnight at cnn.com, tom.hannon at cnn.com, wam at cnn.com, livetoday at cnn.com, am at cnn.com, andrea.koppel at turner.com, bill.schneider at turner.com, bruce.morton at turner.com, carol.lin at turner.com, daryn.kagan at turner.com, david.ensor at turner.com, jeanne.meserve at turner.com, jim.walton at turner.com, deirdre.walsh at turner.com, kelly.wallace at turner.com, kyra.phillips at turner.com, lou.dobbs at turner.com, miles.obrien at turner.com, paula.zahn at turner.com, candy.crowley at turner.com Set 2: New York Times, WaPo, LA Times and other National Print media ? ?krugman at nytimes.com, vannatta at nytimes.com, tiwein at nytimes.com, miwein at nytimes.com, weisman at nytimes.com, liptaka at nytimes.com, bobherb at nytimes.com, reissc at nytimes.com, public at nytimes.com, dabrooks at nytimes.com, dakirk at nytimes.com, dasang at nytimes.com, editorial at nytimes.com, erschm at nytimes.com, executiveeditor at nytimes.com, febarr at nytimes.com, foreign at nytimes.com, justice at nytimes.com, burns at nytimes.com, cushman at nytimes.com, markoff at nytimes.com, judym at nytimes.com, letters at nytimes.com, ligree at nytimes.com, nytnews at nytimes.com, managing-editor at nytimes.com, liberties at nytimes.com, mossm at nytimes.com, national at nytimes.com, news-tips at nytimes.com, nicholas at nytimes.com, pekilb at nytimes.com, ropear at nytimes.com, rotone at nytimes.com, stolberg at nytimes.com, slabaton at nytimes.com, weisman at nytimes.com, lewin at nytimes.com, tiwein at nytimes.com, topurd at nytimes.com, washington at nytimes.com, safire at nytimes.com, executive-editor at nytimes.com, managing-editor at nytimes.com, bduffy at usnews.com, letters at usnews.com, gborger at usnews.com, jallen at usnews.com, kwalsh at usnews.com, mzuckerman at usnews.com, vpope at usnews.com, whispers at usnews.com, alevin at usatoday.com, astone at usatoday.com, bslavin at usatoday.com, bnichols at usatoday.com, bwelch at usatoday.com, editor at usatoday.com, dmoniz at usatoday.com, ghager at usatoday.com, gflanders at usatoday.com, jlawrence at usatoday.com, jdrinkard at usatoday.com, jbiskupic at usatoday.com, editor at usatoday.com, jkeen at usatoday.com, kkiely at usatoday.com, kjohnson at usatoday.com, mhall at usatoday.com, rbenedetto at usatoday.com, rwolf at usatoday.com, spage at usatoday.com, tsquitie ri at usatoday.com, tlocy at usatoday.com, theforum at usatoday.com, wshapiro at usatoday.com, letters at economist.com, amity.shlaes at ft.com, letters.editor at ft.com, philip.stephens at ft.com, greg.hitt at wsj.com, wsj.ltrs at wsj.com, wsjcontact at dowjones.com, jeanne.cummings at wsj.com, jane_mayer at newyorker.com, themail at newyorker.com, deborah.barfield at newsday.com, ken.fireman at newsday.com, Editors at newsweek.com, WebEditors at newsweek.com, Letters at newsweek.com, letters at time.com, lettersbwol at businessweek.com, letters at washingtontimes.com, gpierce at washingtontimes.com, jmccaslin at washingtontimes.com, dkeil at bloomberg.net, wroberts at bloomberg.net, ghall at bloomberg.net, hprzybyla at bloomberg.net, jcohen at bloomberg.net, NewsAlert at letters.washingtonpost.com, letters at washpost.com, webnews at washingtonpost.com, georgewill at washpost.com, jimhoagland at washpost.com, ombudsman at washpost.com, powellm at washpost.com, kurtzh at washpost.com, abramowitz at washpost.com, achenbachj at washpost.com, allenh at washpost.com, allenm at washpost.com, aranam at washpost.com, argetsinger at washpost.com, asherm at washpost.com, chuck.babbington at washingtonpost.com, bakerp at washpost.com, balzd at washpost.com, barbashf at washpost.com, barkerk at washpost.com, barkinr at washpost.com, barrj at washpost.com, barrs at washpost.com, beckerj at washpost.com, behrp at washpost.com, belmanf at washpost.com, bennettp at washpost.com, benningv at washpost.com, bersellie at washpost.com, beyersd at washpost.com, blumj at washpost.com, bonesteelm at washpost.com, boustanyn at washpost.com, religion at washpost.com, bredemeier at washpost.com, brennanp at washpost.com, brooksd at washpost.com, brownw at washpost.com, browar57 at aol.com, carlsonp at washpost.com, castanedar at washpost.com, cavendishs at washpost.com, chans at washpost.com, chandlerc at washpost.com, rajiv at washpost.com, cheaterry at washpost.com, chod at washpost.com, claiborneb at washpost.com, clarkp at washpost.com, cohensh at washpost.com, cohnd at washpost.com, coopermana at washpost.com, copelandl at washpost.com, davenportc at washpost.com, davisp at washpost.com, dawsone at washpost.com, dayk at washpost.com, deanec at washpost.com, deaned at washpost.com, deinerj at washpost.com, deyoungk at washpost.com, dirdam at washpost.com, dobbsm at washpost.com, drezenr at washpost.com, duttj at washpost.com, dvorakp at washpost.com, edsallt at washpost.com, eggend at washpost.com, ahrensf at washpost.com, aizenmann at washpost.com, nightwatch at washpost.com, donovanc at washpost.com, newsonline at bbc.co.uk, editor at guardianunlimited.co.uk, politics.editor at guardianunlimited.co.uk, foreign at guardian.co.uk, letters at guardian.co.uk, politics at guardian.co.uk, online at guardian.co.uk, foreigneditor at independent.co.uk, newseditor at independent.co.uk, letters at iht.com, ellengoodman at globe.com, ombud at globe.com, kcooper at globe.com, letter at globe.com, johnson at globe.com, brelis at globe.com, oliphant at globe.com, editor at scoop.co.nz, alastair at scoop.co.nz, selwyn at scoop.co.nz, jhoward at minidata.co.nz, andrew at scoop.co.nz, wade at scoop.co.nz, jgreenburg at tribune.com, jzeleny at tribune.com, jzuckman at tribune.com, jcrewdson at tribune.com, MPossley at tribune.com, rkemper at tribune.com, bjapsen at tribune.com, csimpson at tribune.com, fjames at tribune.com, GWashburn at tribune.com, gdelama at tribune.com, mdorning at tribune.com, JPeres at tribune.com, cgarrett at tribune.com, oped at csps.com, vanslambrouckp at csps.com, ingwersonm at csps.com, cookd at csps.com, dillinj at csps.com, jonesc at csps.com, armstrongs at csps.com, sullivanc at csps.com, grierp at csps.com, axtmank at csps.com, chinnid at csps.com, kieferf at csps.com, marksa at csps.com, mclaughlina at csps.com, ron at csmonitor.com, richeyw at csps.com, grays at csps.com, letters at latimes.com, readers.rep at latimes.com, aaron.zitner at latimes.com, barbara.serrano at latimes.com, barry.siegel at latimes.com, James.Rainey at latimes.com, bill.rempel at latimes.com, bob.drogin at latimes.com, chuck.neubauer at latimes.com, davan.maharaj at latimes.com, david.kelly at latimes.com, david.savage at latimes.com, david.willman at latimes.com, david.zucchino at latimes.com, deborah.nelson at latimes.com, don.frederick at latimes.com, don.woutat at latimes.com, doyle.mcmanus at latimes.com, ellen.barry at latimes.com, esther.schrader at latimes.com, faye.fiore at latimes.com, glenn.bunting at latimes.com, greg.mille r at latimes.com, janet.hook at latimes.com, joan.springhetti at latimes.com, joel.havemann at latimes.com, johanna.neuman at latimes.com, john.glionna at latimes.com, john.hendren at latimes.com, john.stewart at latimes.com, jonathan.peterson at latimes.com, josh.getlin at latimes.com, josh.meyer at latimes.com, judy.pasternak at latimes.com, julie.bowles at latimes.com, ken.silverstein at latimes.com, kevin.sack at latimes.com, leslie.hoffecker at latimes.com, letters at latimes.com, linda.finestone at latimes.com, lisa.getter at latimes.com, maggie.farley at latimes.com, maria.laganga at latimes.com, marjorie.miller at latimes.com, mark.barabak at latimes.com, mark.mazzetti at latimes.com, mark.porubcansky at latimes.com, maryann.meek at latimes.com, mary.braswell at latimes.com, mary.curtius at latimes.com, matea.gold at latimes.com, maura.reynolds at latimes.com, michael.finnegan at latimes.com, michael.kinsley at latimes.com, michael.muskal at latimes.com, millie.quan at latimes.com, nick.anderson at latimes.com, patrick.mcdonnell at latimes.com, patt.morrison at latimes.com, paul.feldman at latimes.com, peter.wallsten at latimes.com, readers.rep at latimes.com, rich ard.cooper at latimes.com, richard.simon at latimes.com, robin.abcarian at latimes.com, roger.ainsley at latimes.com, scott.gold at latimes.com, scott.kraft at latimes.com, stephanie.simon at latimes.com, steve.braun at latimes.com, tom.furlong at latimes.com, tom.hamburger at latimes.com, tom.mccarthy at latimes.com, elizabeth.mehren at latimes.com, alan.miller at latimes.com Set 3: Misc. 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URL: From aqmstaffo at mailbag.com Thu Sep 11 11:32:38 2008 From: aqmstaffo at mailbag.com (Daniel Stafford) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:32:38 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Finally - One For The Good Guys... Message-ID: <48C93A16.7030801@mailbag.com> Ohio Secretary of State Brunner Does Right by Voters http://www.truthout.org/article/ohio-secretary-state-brunner-does-right-voters Project Vote: "A controversial series of vague voter challenge laws, passed by the Ohio legislature in 2006, allowed any voter's eligibility to be challenged, without notice, based on nothing more than a single piece of returned, unforwardable mail. This is the same trick the GOP used to challenge over 35,000 Ohio voters in 2004, when the outcome of the entire presidential election was riding on that state. On Friday, Secretary [of State Jennifer] Brunner showed that she had heard many of our concerns, and took steps to help protect Ohio voters." From aqmstaffo at mailbag.com Thu Sep 11 14:38:05 2008 From: aqmstaffo at mailbag.com (Daniel Stafford) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:38:05 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Raucous Echo At Eleven... Message-ID: <48C9658D.8030008@mailbag.com> /*Raucous Echo At Eleven...*/ It's everywhere, The maudlin whispers, That celebration of darkness, A whisper of ghosts from within a black cloud. The cries and whimpers haunt me, As I wonder of answers and illusions, It's all a matter of trust - lacking. I saw things my own eyes tell me aren't physically possible, I see shame and sadness in nooks and crannies across the land, Wondering who won what and remembering the cost, All the answers in the universe pale, No matter their say. Echoes, echoes, echoes and screams - I remember - even without belief. AquarianM By: Daniel A. Stafford ? 09/11/2008 *Author's Comments*: 9/11/2001, shrouded in controversy and politics, is at its heart a horror story of lost lives and lost freedoms. 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URL: From rmigalla at earthlink.net Fri Sep 12 07:01:16 2008 From: rmigalla at earthlink.net (Robin Migalla) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 06:01:16 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] FW: Howard Zinn interview Message-ID: <01C9149C.F90BE5D0.rmigalla@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:47:15 -0400From: peacemaker.ymani at gmail.comSubject: Howard Zinn interview Published on Tuesday, September 9, 2008 by Al Jazeera Zinn: US 'In Need of Rebellion' by Al Jazeera Al Jazeera speaks to Howard Zinn, the author, American historian, social critic and activist, about how the Iraq war damaged attitudes towards the US and why the US 'empire' is close to collapse. Q: Where is the United States heading in terms of world power and influence? HZ: America has been heading - for some time, and is heading right now - toward less and less world power, less and less influence.Obviously, since the war in Iraq, the rest of the world has fallen away from the United States, and if American foreign policy continues in the way it has been - that is aggressive and violent and uncaring about the feelings and thoughts of other people - then the influence of the United States is going to decline more and more. This is an empire which is on the one hand the most powerful empire that ever existed; on the other hand an empire that is crumbling - an empire that has no future ... because the rest of the world is alienated and simply because this empire is top-heavy with military commitments, with bases around the world, with the exhaustion of its own resources at home. [This is] leading to more and more discontent and home, so I think the American empire will go the way of other empires and I think it is on its way now. Q: Is there any hope the US will change its approach to the rest of the world? HZ: If there is any hope, the hope lies in the American people.[It] lies in American people becoming resentful enough and indignant enough over what has happened to their country, over the loss of dignity in the world, over the starving of human resources in the United States, the starving of education and health, the takeover of the political mechanism by corporate power and the result this has on the everyday lives of the American people. [There is also] the higher and higher food prices, the more and more insecurity, the sending of the young people to war. I think all of this may very well build up into a movement of rebellion. We have seen movements of rebellion in the past: The labour movement, the civil rights movement, the movement against the war in Vietnam. I think we may well see, if the United States keeps heading in the same direction, a new popular movement. That is the only hope for the United States. Q: How did the US get to this point? HZ: Well, we got to this point because ... I suppose the American people have allowed it to get it to this point because there were enough Americans who were satisfied with their lives, just enough. Of course, many Americans were not, that is why half of the population doesn't vote, they're alienated. But there are just enough Americans who have been satisfied, you might say getting some of the 'goodies' of the empire, just some of them, just enough people satisfied to support the system, so we got this way because of the ability of the system to maintain itself by satisfying just enough of the population to keep its legitimacy. And I think that era is coming to an end. Q: What should the world know about the United States? HZ: What I find many people in the rest of the world don't know is that there is an opposition in the United States.Very often, people in the rest of the world think that Bush is popular, they think 'oh, he was elected twice', they don't understand the corruption of the American political system which enabled Bush to win twice. They don't understand the basic undemocratic nature of the American political system in which all power is concentrated within two parties which are not very far from one another and people cannot easily tell the difference. So I think we are in a situation where we are going to need some very fundamental changes in American society if the American people are going to be finally satisfied with the kind of society we have. Q: Do you think the US can recover from its current position? HZ: Well, I am hoping for a recovery process. I mean, so far we haven't seen it. You asked about what the people of the rest of the world don't know about the United States, and as I said, they don't know that there is an opposition. There always has been an opposition, but the opposition has always been either crushed or quieted, kept in the shadows, marginalised so their voices are not heard. People in the rest of the world hear the voices of the American leaders. They do not hear the voices of the people all over this country who do not like the American leaders who want different policies. I think also, people in the rest of the world should know that what they see in Iraq now is really a continuation of a long, long term of American imperial expansion in the world. I think ... a lot of people in the world think that this war in Iraq is an aberration, that before this the United States was a benign power. It has never been a benign power, from the very first, from the American Revolution, from the taking-over of Indian land, from the Mexican war, the Spanish-American war. It is embarrassing to say, but we have a long history in this country of violent expansion and I think not only do most people in other countries [not] know this, most Americans don't know this. Q: Is there a way for this to improve? HZ: Well you know, whatever hope there is lies in that large number of Americans who are decent, who don't want to go to war, who don't want to kill other people. It is hard to see that hope because these Americans who feel that way have been shut out of the communications system, so their voices are not heard, they are not seen on the television screen, but they exist. I have gone through, in my life, a number of social movements and I have seen how at the very beginning of these social movements or just before these social movements develop, there didn't seem to be any hope. I lived in the [US] south for seven years, in the years of the civil rights movements, and it didn't seem that there was any hope, but there was hope under the surface. And when people organised, and when people began to act, when people began to work together, people began to take risks, people began to oppose the establishment, people began to commit civil disobedience. Well, then that hope became manifest ... it actually turned into change. Q: Do you think there is a way out of this and for the future influence of the US on the world to be a positive one? HZ: Well, you know for the United States to begin to be a positive influence in the world we are going to have to have a new political leadership that is sensitive to the needs of the American people, and those needs do not include war and aggression. [It must also be] sensitive to the needs of people in other parts of the world, sensitive enough to know that American resources, instead of being devoted to war, should be devoted to helping people who are suffering. You've got earthquakes and natural disasters all over the world, but the people in the United States have been in the same position as people in other countries. The natural disasters here [also] brought little positive reaction - look at [Hurricane] Katrina. The people in this country, the poor people especially and the people of colour especially, have been as much victims of American power as people in other countries. Q: Can you give us an overall scope of everything we talked about - the power and influence of the United States? HZ: The power and influence of the United States has declined rapidly since the war in Iraq because American power, as it has been exercised in the world historically, has been exposed more to the rest of the world in this situation and in other situations. So the US influence is declining, its power is declining. However strong a military machine it is, power does not ultimately depend on a military machine. So power is declining. Ultimately power rests on the moral legitimacy of a system and the United States has been losing moral legitimacy. My hope is that the American people will rouse themselves and change this situation, for the benefit of themselves and for the benefit of the rest of the world. ? 2008 Aljazeera.net/English Article printed from www.CommonDreams.org URL to article: http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2008/09/09-0 From aqmstaffo at mailbag.com Fri Sep 12 12:11:42 2008 From: aqmstaffo at mailbag.com (Daniel Stafford) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:11:42 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] FYI - my brother Larry is the Libertarian candidate for US Senate against Durbin this fall Message-ID: <48CA94BE.1050107@mailbag.com> All, While I really only agree with the anti-war, clean elections, and civil liberties portions of the Libertarian platform, at least I know he's honest and willing to listen to me. (My views are Progressive/Green) Many times, we've been able to come up with solution ideas that allow Libertarian principles to coexist with Progressive social solutions. While I would prefer the Green platform, or even better Dennis Kucinich's platform from 2004, the irony is that access to my Senator would be far greater if my own brother won. Go figure. (If he does win, he is going to have one SERIOUS Progressive bug in his ear!) I'm not telling anyone on this list to vote for him, that's your decision, but I at least wanted all of you to know the option exists. His campaign web site is: http://www.stafford4senate.com/ I've said my piece, you won't hear more from me on this. Regards, Dan Stafford From aqmstaffo at mailbag.com Fri Sep 12 12:27:48 2008 From: aqmstaffo at mailbag.com (Daniel Stafford) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:27:48 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Republican Vision Of The "Free Market..." Message-ID: <48CA9884.7020909@mailbag.com> ..."Turn the Ferenghi loose!!!" Otherwise known as: "coddle the corporations." From rmigalla at earthlink.net Fri Sep 12 13:23:40 2008 From: rmigalla at earthlink.net (Robin Migalla) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:23:40 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] FYI - my brother Larry is the Libertarian candidate for US Senate against Durbin this fall Message-ID: <01C914D2.64F84650.rmigalla@earthlink.net> Hi Dan, Thanks for sharing this. I personally am Green/Libertarian (or is it Libertarian/Green). As I have said before, sometimes I feel like I've been forced to become a schizophrenic voter. My dream ticket would have been Ron Paul for President and Dennis Kucinich for VP with an appointment of Cynthia McKinney for Secretary of State. I have felt for a long time that our Constitution contains everything we need to protect the environment and create social justice, it's just that we have refused to use it in that manner. Instead, we have created these regulatory bodies to take the hard work away from us. Bodies like the FDA, USDA, and the EPA. These have all become nothing but tools in the hands of our corporatocracy (or is it fascism?). Heck, the Illinois EPA is single-handedly responsible for poisoning every Illinois citizen with fluoride, all in the name of preventing tooth decay. Since when should a regulatory body be responsible for my teeth? I'd prefer to manage my own teeth thank you very much. I'd do it with raw milk rather than rat poison, but these regulatory bodies have made it nearly impossible to obtain raw milk in Illinois. My observation tells me regulation always becomes the tool of the fascist. Anyway, I think our salvation lies in the marriage of the Green ideology with the Libertarian limited government ideology, so your brother sounds like a great option against Durbin. Cheers, Robin www.healthforlifecoloncare.com -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Stafford [SMTP:aqmstaffo at mailbag.com] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 11:12 To: IL Progressive Dems; AB_Progressives; Progressive; DiehardDems at yahoogroups.com; Citizen's Truth Subject: [CitizensTruth] FYI - my brother Larry is the Libertarian candidate for US Senate against Durbin this fall All, While I really only agree with the anti-war, clean elections, and civil liberties portions of the Libertarian platform, at least I know he's honest and willing to listen to me. (My views are Progressive/Green) Many times, we've been able to come up with solution ideas that allow Libertarian principles to coexist with Progressive social solutions. While I would prefer the Green platform, or even better Dennis Kucinich's platform from 2004, the irony is that access to my Senator would be far greater if my own brother won. Go figure. (If he does win, he is going to have one SERIOUS Progressive bug in his ear!) I'm not telling anyone on this list to vote for him, that's your decision, but I at least wanted all of you to know the option exists. His campaign web site is: http://www.stafford4senate.com/ I've said my piece, you won't hear more from me on this. Regards, Dan Stafford _______________________________________________ CitizensTruth mailing list CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth website: http://citizenstruth.info From aroyboy44 at hotmail.com Fri Sep 12 13:45:31 2008 From: aroyboy44 at hotmail.com (andrew ritter) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:45:31 +0000 Subject: [CitizensTruth] The Onion wins again! Message-ID: Here's a nice 9-11 article by The Onion that should put a smile on your face! Cheney Waits Until Last Minute Again To Buy Sept. 11 Giftshttp://www.theonion.com/content/news/cheney_waits_until_last_minute (btw - it was great to see some of you folks at the Art Institute yesterday! anyone post pictures anywhere?) Andrew _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mjkirk12 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 12 13:55:58 2008 From: mjkirk12 at yahoo.com (Mike Kirk) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:55:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CitizensTruth] The Onion wins again! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <696907.17994.qm@web83830.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> It wouldn't surprise me if Kevin Barrett was a writer for the Onion - his wit and humor are similar. :-) And they both are from the Madison (WI)? area. -Mike --- On Fri, 9/12/08, andrew ritter wrote: From: andrew ritter Subject: [CitizensTruth] The Onion wins again! To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 12:45 PM #yiv2104885324 .hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} #yiv2104885324 { FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;} Here's a nice 9-11 article by The Onion that should put a smile on your face! Cheney Waits Until Last Minute Again To Buy Sept. 11 Giftshttp://www.theonion.com/content/news/cheney_waits_until_last_minute (btw - it was great to see some of you folks at the Art Institute yesterday!? anyone post pictures anywhere?) Andrew See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. See Now _______________________________________________ CitizensTruth mailing list CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth website: http://citizenstruth.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mamascasa at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 15:47:34 2008 From: mamascasa at gmail.com (Alissa Catalan) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:47:34 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Fwd: Bush Administration proposed changes to the Endangered Species Act In-Reply-To: <004a01c914fa$14f12fa0$3a17a743@mymachine> References: <004a01c914fa$14f12fa0$3a17a743@mymachine> Message-ID: <8c11c2280809121247q7287f071id4a0c5723d8997f6@mail.gmail.com> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- The Bush Administration has proposed regulatory changes to the Endangered Species Act. They want to gut the law. I am sending you the comments I submitted. You can read the proposed regulation and submit your comments through Sept 14, 2008 at www.regulations.gov/fdmspublic/component/main?main=SubmitComment&o=09000064806c5826 . Doug ____________ Dept of Interior, Fish and Wildlife Service: 50 CFR Part 402 Dept of Commerce, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration: 50 CFR Part 405 This is my comment on the August 15, 2008 proposed changes to 50 CFR Part 402. I strongly disagree with the changes proposed and request that no changes be made at this time. These efforts to "simplify" the Endangered Species Act of 1973, as amended (i.e., ESA) would have the effect of undermining the intent of the legislation. My detailed comments follow. Section 402.02 Definitions (page 47869). 1. "Biological Assessment" The proposal to eliminate the requirement to create a separate, all-inclusive "Biological Assessment" document makes it extremely difficult to understand the entire environmental impact of any project or action. This proposal to simply cite segments of other documents for a "Biological Assessment" would require both the action agency and anyone attempting to review the action to obtain a huge number of documents and allows everyone to take data out of context. This proposal is not a "minor procedural change" as is stated. It basically stops all review of an "action agency". Also, by allowing the "action agency" in charge of implementing the project or action to decide what information to cite as justification is "putting the fox in charge of the hen house". They can more easily interpret the data in ways that allow the action to proceed. This is not the intent of the ESA. I oppose this change to the definition. 2. "Cumulative effects" The proposal to amend the current regulatory definition of "cumulative effects" is also inconsistent with the ESA. The proposal requires an analysis of each individual Federal project instead of the impact of an entire Federal program. In addition, knowledge of the impacts of one project is not always that precise. It is like requiring the "action agency" or reviewing agency to know which straw will break the camel's back, or how much more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere will stop the Atlantic thermohaline current. Science can only estimate social, economic or environmental impacts of overall programs. But, this can be critical in deciding whether it is wise to proceed with a project or program. I oppose this change to the definition. 3. "Effects of the action" "Initially, we want to emphasize that both in the current regulations and these proposed regulations, an effect must both be caused by the action under consultation and must be "reasonably certain to occur" before it can be included in the effects analysis. ?" Science can only estimate the impacts of an action on an entire ecosystem based on similar experience and forecasts. It is almost never a black and white, precise determination. The project or action must not be defined as only one phase or segment of a much larger program. It must consider the likely longer term impacts caused by other public and private entities that result from the Federal action. For example, an isolated major highway interchange by itself might not have much impact on the environment but the resulting development caused by increasing accessibility to that interchange will have a huge impact on the local environment and ecosystem. Both direct and indirect impacts must be considered by the Federal action agency. They can not wait until a species is destroyed and then go back in time and do it all over. The proposed change is not consistent with the ESA. Section 402.03 Applicability (page 47870) 1. This section states that "section 7 only applies to discretionary agency actions". Please define "discretionary". Is an action "discretionary" if it is a Congressional earmark? Can the President redefine a "discretionary" project by decree? If an action is "a take" do ESA requirements apply? What is "a take"? 2. In the third paragraph the proposed regulation states, "In paragraph (b)(1) we propose to add language that action agencies are not required to consult on those actions for which they determine their action will have "no effect" on listed species or critical habitat". This is an inappropriate change. Action agencies should follow the current regulation that they consult with service agencies on any action that MAY affect a listed species or designated critical habitat. The proposal gives too much authority to Federal action agencies to make decisions on critical habitat for which they have little or no expertise or interest. 3. On page 47871 this proposal states: "To achieve the goal of reducing unnecessary consultations, the proposed language allows a Federal action agency to make a "not likely to adversely affect" determination without concurrence from the Services..." This again eliminates the need to consult with biological, habitat and other experts about the environmental impact of building a road or other Federal action. This is basically rewriting the ESA legislation. If the desire is to speed up the consultation process this proposal should simply require that the service agencies providing this expert environmental analysis hire and use the necessary staff to do the action in a timely manor. Instead what happens is that these agencies and their funding agencies are allowed to minimize the expertise available to do the required consulting and then the Federal Action agencies or constituents complain about the timeliness of reviews. This is simply a way to eliminate a legislative requirement by underfunding and mismanaging the agencies required to make it a timely process. 4. On page 47871 the proposal states that "Federal action agencies understand that there are significant consequences if they were to take an action that resulted in prohibited take without an exemption through the section 7 process." What is the penalty if a Federal action causes the extinction of a life species? Is it a slap on the wrist after the fact? Is it a critical performance evaluation? The intent of the ESA is to prevent extermination of life through consultation with biological and habitat experts before Federal action. 5. On page 47872 the proposal states that, "These regulations would reinforce the Services' current view that there is no requirement to consult on greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions' contribution to global warming and its associated impacts on listed species (e.g., polar bears)." This view defies science and current observation of a large number of plant and animal species. It is inappropriate. Respectfully, Doug... Thank you. 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URL: From richardfobes at hotmail.com Fri Sep 12 16:51:19 2008 From: richardfobes at hotmail.com (richardfobes ) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:51:19 +0000 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Go to We Are Change to watch the Live Feed from NY - 1st Responders Benefit Event Message-ID: Go to Wearechange.org and watch the live feed from NYC to see the benefit event for 1st Responders - NOW! -Rich From geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com Fri Sep 12 17:01:14 2008 From: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com (Geri Perry) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:01:14 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] FYI - my brother Larry is the Libertarian candidate for US Senate against Durbin this fall In-Reply-To: <01C914D2.64F84650.rmigalla@earthlink.net> References: <01C914D2.64F84650.rmigalla@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <48CAD89A.2080902@thetwofacesofmoney.com> Robin etal, The difference between the Left libertarians (Greens) and right Libertarians is lack of understanding of the money power, and what "honest money" really is. And yes, the Constitution along with the Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights contains what we need to get back to some semblance of sanity. Problem is there is a lot of myth and misinformation on these documents as I try to uncover, at least in part in my book, especially in Part I where I show how the money powers substituted our Bill of Rights and Constitution with the "new legal regime" created by the Reconstruction Amendments (13,14,15) none of which did what they were supposed to do. Then the money powers used the Crash of 1929 to usher in The Emergency Banking Act of 1933 which made Americans enemies of the state. The state of emergency so created was studied by the Church committee in 1973, which said most Americans had lived their entire lives under a state of national emergency. This was supposed to have been solved with the National Emergency Termination Act of 1976 but it wasn't. The Federal Register, created in 1935 and then expanded in 1946, allows the President and the federal agencies, all of them financed through deficit spending, to write legislation, created a huge, and many would say unnecessary body of administrative law making sovereign citizens subservient to the requirements of the state. And it resulted - conveniently enough for the money powers - in a top down managed economy. See: http://www.thetwofacesofmoney.com/index.php/Site/AWordAboutCorporations THEN we get the CAFR reports, created by a group of businessmen (who else) in 1949, which then led to "public/private" partnerships which is part of the "new constitution" under the North American Union. (Some good articles at my website, and some good videos) The North American Union, and the UN is another piece of the puzzle, and part of the problem, a fact which Dennis Kucinich hopefully will quickly become acquainted with. Ron Paul has this part of the picture right - BUT he is WRONG about a gold backed dollar, which is why, IMO, Larry Kudlow and similar programs gave Paul airtime and then used that to talk about a gold backed dollar being a good thing. Read more at my website about some of this, including quote from the Money Masters video, on this page http://www.thetwofacesofmoney.com/index.php/Site/HonestMoneyGroups plus Read the quotes on gold page, and what money is page. The MONEY PROBLEM is the seminal problem of our time. Being Left, right or anything else just keeps getting us more divided and conquered. But that's exactly the way the "money powers' like it because it keeps us worshiping their man-made god of mammon - AND it involves LOTS of war, which is the best of all profit-making endeavors. Gerip Robin Migalla wrote: > Hi Dan, > > Thanks for sharing this. I personally am Green/Libertarian (or is it > Libertarian/Green). As I have said before, sometimes I feel like I've been > forced to become a schizophrenic voter. My dream ticket would have been > Ron Paul for President and Dennis Kucinich for VP with an appointment of > Cynthia McKinney for Secretary of State. I have felt for a long time that > our Constitution contains everything we need to protect the environment and > create social justice, it's just that we have refused to use it in that > manner. > > Instead, we have created these regulatory bodies to take the hard work away > from us. Bodies like the FDA, USDA, and the EPA. These have all become > nothing but tools in the hands of our corporatocracy (or is it fascism?). > Heck, the Illinois EPA is single-handedly responsible for poisoning every > Illinois citizen with fluoride, all in the name of preventing tooth decay. > Since when should a regulatory body be responsible for my teeth? I'd > prefer to manage my own teeth thank you very much. I'd do it with raw milk > rather than rat poison, but these regulatory bodies have made it nearly > impossible to obtain raw milk in Illinois. My observation tells me > regulation always becomes the tool of the fascist. > > Anyway, I think our salvation lies in the marriage of the Green ideology > with the Libertarian limited government ideology, so your brother sounds > like a great option against Durbin. > > Cheers, > Robin > www.healthforlifecoloncare.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel Stafford [SMTP:aqmstaffo at mailbag.com] > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 11:12 > To: IL Progressive Dems; AB_Progressives; Progressive; > DiehardDems at yahoogroups.com; Citizen's Truth > Subject: [CitizensTruth] FYI - my brother Larry is the Libertarian > candidate for US Senate against Durbin this fall > > All, > > While I really only agree with the anti-war, clean elections, and civil > liberties portions of the Libertarian platform, at least I know he's > honest and willing to listen to me. (My views are Progressive/Green) > > Many times, we've been able to come up with solution ideas that allow > Libertarian principles to coexist with Progressive social solutions. > > While I would prefer the Green platform, or even better Dennis > Kucinich's platform from 2004, the irony is that access to my Senator > would be far greater if my own brother won. Go figure. (If he does win, > he is going to have one SERIOUS Progressive bug in his ear!) > > I'm not telling anyone on this list to vote for him, that's your > decision, but I at least wanted all of you to know the option exists. > > His campaign web site is: http://www.stafford4senate.com/ > > I've said my piece, you won't hear more from me on this. > > Regards, > > Dan Stafford > _______________________________________________ > CitizensTruth mailing list > CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > website: http://citizenstruth.info > _______________________________________________ > CitizensTruth mailing list > CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > website: http://citizenstruth.info > From Walterb306 at cs.com Fri Sep 12 17:08:44 2008 From: Walterb306 at cs.com (Walterb306 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:08:44 EDT Subject: [CitizensTruth] FW: Howard Zinn interview Message-ID: All, The American People seem to be targeted as culprits for Howard Zinn, whose book, A People's History of the United States and life work, I greatly value. True, but not the only culprits. The corporatist media, owned by BILLIONAIRES, has betrayed the people of this country by failing its duty to inform them. A people cannot make informed decisions if they are fed lies, half-truths, and distractions. Nor have the American people forced criminal or unethical behavior on the politicians, lobbyists, businessmen, military chiefs, and financiers who sit at the top and have access to far greater resources and information than the general public and have turned a deaf ear to repeated cries and actions of protest. Abramoff, Delay, Bush,Cheney, Greenspan, Wolfewitz, et al. have made their choices for themselves. Perhaps their greed-addiction has compelled them, but not the American people. Two stolen elections later, it is time for progressives to be our own media. And there isn't any time to waste. Beverley -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They are concerned about the state of affairs in our world now. Ours is a time of daily astonishment and often righteous rage over the latest degradations of what matters most to caring, visionary, civilized people. You are right in your assessments. The lustre and hubris, the bald faced audacity that some are engaged inwhile endorsing acts so heinous against children, elders, everyday people, the poor, the unguarded, the helpless, this mother earth, is breathtaking. Yet I urge you, ask you, gentle you . . . to please not spend your spirit dry by bewailing these difficult times. Especially do not lose hope. Most particularly because, the fact is, we were made for these times. Yes. For years we have been learning, practicing, been in training for, and just waiting to meet, on this exact plain of engagement . . . I grew up on the great lakes, and recognize a seaworthy vessel when I see one. Regarding awakened souls, there have never been more able vessels in the water than there are right now, across the world. They are fully provisioned and able to signal one another as never before in the history of humankind. Look out over the prow; there are millions of righteous souls on the waters with you. Even though your veneers may shiver from every wave in the stormy roil, I assure you, that the long timbers composing your prow and rudder, come from a greater forest. That long grained lumber is known to withstand even the fiercest storms. To hold together. To hold its own, and to advance, regardless. In any dark time there is a tendency to veer towards fainting, over how much is wrong or unmended in the world. Do not focus on that. There is a tendency too, to fall into being weakened by dwelling on what is outside your reach, by what cannot yet be. Do not focus there either. That is spending the wind, without raising the sails. We are needed, that is all we can know. And though we meet resistance, we will also meet great souls who will hail us, love us, guide us, and we will know them when they appear. Didn't you say you were a believer? Didn't you say you are pledged to listen to a voice greater? Didn't you ask for grace? Please remember . . .that to be in grace means to follow a voice greater. Ours is not the task of fixing the entire world all at once, but of stretching out to mend the part of the world that is within our reach. Any small, calm thing that one soul can do to help another, to assist some portion of this poor suffering world, will help immensely. It is not given to us to know which acts, or by whom,will cause the critical mass to tip towards an enduring good and transformative shift. What is needed for dramatic change is an accumulation of acts great and small, adding, adding to, adding more, continuing. We know that it does not take everyone on earth to bring justice and peace, but small determined groups and individuals who will not give upduring the first, second, or hundreth gale. One of the most calming and powerful actions you can do to intervene in a stormy world, is to stand up and show your soul. A soul on deck, shines like gold in dark times. The light of such a soul throws sparks, sends up flames, builds signal fires, causes the proper matters to catch fire. You, as much as anyone else, are this soul. And to display the lantern of the soul in shadowy times like these, to be fierce when necessary and yet show mercy toward others, both are acts of immense bravery and of greatest necessity. Struggling souls catch light from other souls who are brightly lit and willing to show it. If you would help to calm the turbulence,this is one of the strongest things you can do. There will often be times when you feel discouraged. I too have felt this despair many times in my life. But I do not keep a chair for it. I will not entertain it. It is not allowed to eat from my plate. The reason is this: In my uttermost bones I know something, as do you. It is that there can be no lasting despair when you remember why you came to earth, what you are here for, who you serve, and why. The good words we say and the good deeds we do, are not ours. They are the words and deeds of the love and life that brought us here. In that spirit, I hope you may write this on your wall: When a great ship is in harbor and tied to the pier, it is safe, there can be no doubt. But that is not, what great ships are built for. - Clarissa Pinkola Estes - From edward_rynearson at yahoo.com Sat Sep 13 22:45:31 2008 From: edward_rynearson at yahoo.com (Edward Rynearson) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 19:45:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CitizensTruth] Radio Du Jour Update Message-ID: <206309.59830.qm@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear Friends, There were so many great clips from September 11, 2008 that I really had a hard time picking the best. I created the following September 11, 2008 page featuring David Ray Griffin, Peter B Collins, Keith Olbermann, Cynthia McKinney, Russian TV (they covered the 9/11 truth activists in NYC) and a little get together we had at the Field Museum here in Chicago. http://www.radiodujour.com/september112008.html As always, if you don't wish to receive this weekly update, just reply and let me know. I'm not trying to make anyone angry, just trying to get the word out. Peace, Edward Rynearson Chicago, IL http://www.radiodujour.com ------------------------------ Please also visit: ------------------------------ They no longer believed that James Earl Ray was the killer. For their peace of mind, for an accurate record of history, and out of a sense of justice they conducted a two decade long investigation. The evidence they uncovered was put before a jury in Memphis, TN, in November 1999. 70 witnesses testified under oath, 4,000 pages of transcripts described that evidence, much of it new. It took the jury 59 minutes to come back with their decision that exonerated James Earl Ray, who had already died in prison. The jury found that Lloyd Jowers, owner of Jim?s Grill, had participated in a conspiracy to kill King. The evidence showed that the conspiracy included J. 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Yet, many Americans have embraced her enthusiastically and don't want to hear anything negative about her... But McCain now has his own long trail of stunning lies, both about his opponent Barack Obama and McCain's dubious reputation for clean politics. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Walterb306 at cs.com Mon Sep 15 16:24:36 2008 From: Walterb306 at cs.com (Walterb306 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:24:36 EDT Subject: [CitizensTruth] Media history Message-ID: All, I can't vouch for the accuracy of the following, but looks like it is worth checking out. Beverley The Nazis were ruthless and power mad. The Nazis had a war machine loaded with high tech weapons. The Nazis had a highly effective internal propaganda system. No one talks about this last item because they imported it directly from the United States. =============================== Brasscheck TV: The war for your mind Here's a little history that few are aware of... but if you know it, it explains much about how we got to where we are today. When the Rockefeller group was under widespread popular attack in the early part of the 20th century, they hired a man named Ivy Lee to help them rehabilitate their public image. He was very successful at his task. The Rockefellers loaned Lee to the Nazis to help them with their 1930s PR problems in the US. While, it may be hard to believe now, US press accounts of Hitler's rise to power in Germany were mostly positive. Edward Bernays, a close colleague of Lee's, was another master of public manipulation. One of Bernays' biggest fans was none other than Joseph Goebbels, the director of internal propaganda for the Nazi government. Goebbels was the man who "sold" the Germans on the Nazis (much the way Roger Ailes has sold the US on Bush-style (i.e. criminal) Republicanism. I recommend you read more, but if you want to go straight to the video, it's here: http://clicks.aweber.com/y/ct/?l=HXFYi&m=1fnRWYvqUnEpNr& b=tozVV3Z_Sah7ukpDIFb48A *** You can't have a dictatorship with controlling the news media, overly or covertly It's important to know that even as Berlin was literally going up in flames, the Nazis retained the support of large portions of Germany society as a result of Goebbels' "genius." This feat, as one book title describes it, was "the war that Hitler won." Edward Bernays bragged that his book "The Crystalization of Public Opinion" was prominently displayed in Goebbels private office. You may have heard of "Kristallnacht" a multi-day orgy of street terror against Jews in Germany that "crystalized" public opinion that it had become socially acceptable to target Jews in the streets, in their stores and even in their homes. Most historians state that the "kristall" in "kristallnacht" refers to the broken windows of Jewish owned stores. There is one problem with this universally accepted version of events. "Kristall" does not mean "glass" or "store window" in German. It means crystal. What crystals were broken during "kristallnacht?" Answer: None to speak of. It is my contention that in fact "Kristallnacht," one of the notorious acts of state terrorism in modern history, was coined by Goebbels for the strategy of "crystalizing" public opinion he learned from his American mentor's book by the same name. Meet Edward Bernays, US PR man, tutor to the Nazi propaganda machine, and inspiration to Roger Ailes, creator of Fox News, America's modern day version of Joseph Goebbels: http://clicks.aweber.com/y/ct/?l=HXFYi&m=1fnRWYvqUnEpNr& b=tozVV3Z_Sah7ukpDIFb48A - Brasscheck P.S. You know you're not going to learn this stuff on TV or even at a fancy university. If you think this kind of commentary is helpful in understanding today's world, please share Brasscheck TV e-mails and videos with your friends and colleagues. That's how we grow. Thanks. - Brasscheck P.S. Please share Brasscheck TV e-mails and videos with friends and colleagues. That's how we grow. Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From welaware at merr.com Mon Sep 15 16:59:02 2008 From: welaware at merr.com (Kris Knight) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 15:59:02 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Media history In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bruce LIpton and Steve Bhaerman have, only in the past few days, put out an audio, preBOOK where science and politics are woven together to try and correct several incorrect/incomplete premises taken for truth over the past couple centuries, or more. Steve Bhaerman speaks about Bernays and does NOT include Goebbels in his speaking of who had such an impact on PR and mind control of the masses here. That does NOT mean what is written below is incorrect; I don't know about that. But public mind control was extremely effective under his auspices, incl. convincing first doctors to smoke and then women, among many other things. there is a significant error where "with" should be "without", if I"m understanding what this writer mean (red bold)... Thanks for sending this. On Sep 15, 2008, at 3:24 PM, Walterb306 at cs.com wrote: > All, > > I can't vouch for the accuracy of the following, but looks like it > is worth checking out. > > Beverley > > The Nazis were ruthless and power mad. > > The Nazis had a war machine loaded with > high tech weapons. > > The Nazis had a highly effective internal propaganda > system. > > No one talks about this last item because they imported > it directly from the United States. > > =============================== > > Brasscheck TV: The war for your mind > > Here's a little history that few are aware of... > but if you know it, it explains much about > how we got to where we are today. > > When the Rockefeller group was under > widespread popular attack in the early part > of the 20th century, they hired a man named > Ivy Lee to help them rehabilitate their public > image. He was very successful at his task. > > The Rockefellers loaned Lee to the Nazis > to help them with their 1930s PR problems > in the US. While, it may be hard to believe > now, US press accounts of Hitler's rise to > power in Germany were mostly positive. > > Edward Bernays, a close colleague of Lee's, > was another master of public manipulation. > > One of Bernays' biggest fans was none other > than Joseph Goebbels, the director of > internal propaganda for the Nazi government. > > Goebbels was the man who "sold" the Germans > on the Nazis (much the way Roger Ailes has > sold the US on Bush-style (i.e. criminal) > Republicanism. > > I recommend you read more, but if you want > to go straight to the video, it's here: > > http://clicks.aweber.com/y/ct/?l=HXFYi&m=1fnRWYvqUnEpNr&b=tozVV3Z_Sah7ukpDIFb48A > > *** You can't have a dictatorship with controlling > the news media, overly or covertly > > It's important to know that even as > Berlin was literally going up in > flames, the Nazis retained the support of > large portions of Germany society as > a result of Goebbels' "genius." > > This feat, as one book title describes it, > was "the war that Hitler won." > > Edward Bernays bragged that his book > "The Crystalization of Public Opinion" > was prominently displayed in Goebbels > private office. > > You may have heard of "Kristallnacht" > a multi-day orgy of street terror against > Jews in Germany that "crystalized" > public opinion that it had become socially > acceptable to target Jews in the streets, > in their stores and even in their homes. > > Most historians state that the > "kristall" in "kristallnacht" refers > to the broken windows of Jewish owned > stores. > > There is one problem with this universally > accepted version of events. > > "Kristall" does not mean "glass" or > "store window" in German. It means > crystal. > > What crystals were broken during "kristallnacht?" > > Answer: None to speak of. > > It is my contention that in fact > "Kristallnacht," one of the notorious > acts of state terrorism in modern history, > was coined by Goebbels for the strategy > of "crystalizing" public opinion he learned from > his American mentor's book by the same name. > > Meet Edward Bernays, US PR man, > tutor to the Nazi propaganda machine, > and inspiration to Roger Ailes, creator > of Fox News, America's modern day version > of Joseph Goebbels: > > http://clicks.aweber.com/y/ct/?l=HXFYi&m=1fnRWYvqUnEpNr&b=tozVV3Z_Sah7ukpDIFb48A > > - Brasscheck > > P.S. You know you're not going to learn this > stuff on TV or even at a fancy university. > > If you think this kind of commentary is helpful > in understanding today's world, please share > Brasscheck TV e-mails and videos with your > friends and colleagues. > > That's how we grow. > > Thanks. > - Brasscheck > > P.S. Please share Brasscheck TV e-mails and > videos with friends and colleagues. > > That's how we grow. Thanks. > _______________________________________________ > CitizensTruth mailing list > CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > website: http://citizenstruth.info Kris Knight of WellAware Life Enhancement Center Phone: 1-608-ALL-LIFE welaware at merr.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hal at drxyzzy.org Mon Sep 15 18:25:21 2008 From: hal at drxyzzy.org (Hal Snyder) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:25:21 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Fighting Bob spinoff moves to Palatine Message-ID: From Madison's Capital Times: http://www.madison.com/tct/news/stories/304846 Fighting Bob spinoff moves to Palatine Anita Weier ? 9/14/2008 12:53 pm A grassroots progressive gathering in Illinois inspired by Fighting Bob Fest in Wisconsin will take place in Palatine, Ill. The event, called A Better Day 2008, is scheduled for Sept. 20 and will feature speakers, activists and community organizers. The public is invited to learn about and discuss issues, make connections and become involved in social benefit groups. The nonpartisan gathering will take place from 9 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. at Countryside Church Unitarian Universalist, 1025 N. Smith St., in Palatine. Jim Kenney of Common Ground will present the morning keynote address, titled "Peace is Possible." Other speakers will address social and economic justice, sustainable living, support for veterans and ways of dealing with differences. Exhibitors in the conference hall will include environmentalists, advocates for economic reform and social justice, and local peace groups. Programs will emphasize personal involvement, according to organizer Dr. Hal Snyder. "We want to tell everyone, you can do something!" added Kat Doyle, like Snyder a member of the program committee. A flyer for the event states: "A Better Day was inspired by Fighting Bob Fest, the annual Wisconsin extravaganza that brings thousands of fired-up progressive speakers, organizers and rabble-rousers to Baraboo every September." This is the third year Illinois progressives have gathered, after Snyder and others attended Bob Fest, but it's the first time the event will be in Palatine. This year's gathering is sponsored by Progressive Fest Illinois and the Adult Faith Development Council of the Countryside Church Unitarian Universalist. More information is available at www.better-day.info/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hal at drxyzzy.org Tue Sep 16 15:30:50 2008 From: hal at drxyzzy.org (Hal Snyder) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:30:50 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] writer suicide Message-ID: <04AA7F7B-C413-4E68-B6C3-525478B48A22@drxyzzy.org> A couple days ago the story emerged that author David Foster Wallace committed suicide. [bold added] Wallace?s latest book was a paperback version of his 2000 ?Rolling Stone? magazine profile of Republican presidential contender John McCain, titled ?McCain?s Promise: Aboard the Straight Talk Express With John McCain and a Whole Bunch of Actual Reporters, Thinking About Hope.? ?McCain himself has obviously changed; his flipperoos and weaselings on Roe v. Wade, campaign finance, the toxicity of lobbyists, Iraq timetables, etc. are just some of what make him a less interesting, more depressing political figure now ? for me, at least,? he told the Wall Street Journal. Reminiscent of Jim Hatfield. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <48D12F33.2090400@mailbag.com> ...guess big government is necessary after all, such as cleaning up after REAGAN-BUSH-CLINTON-BUSH-BUSH gutted regulations put in place after the LAST great (what was so damn great about it???) depression to keep the financial industry from pulling the same crap. They turned the Ferenghi loose, and now they have to mop up Ferenghi turds before everyone is neck deep in them. George W. probably has his teeth filed and ears rubbed by Jeff Gannon weekly...and now McLame wants to be the next Grand Nagus. DS Federal Reserve to Loan AIG $85 Billion in Rescue http://www.truthout.org/article/fed-loan-aig-85-billion-rescue Edmund L. Andrews, Michael J. de la Merced and Mary Wiliams Walsh, The New York Times: "Acting to avert a possible financial crisis worldwide, the Federal Reserve reversed course on Tuesday and agreed to an $85 billion bailout that would give the government an ownership stake in the troubled insurance giant American International Group, according to people briefed on the negotiations. The decision, only two weeks after the Treasury took over the quasigovernment mortgage finance companies Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, is the most radical intervention in private business in the central bank's history." From aqmstaffo at mailbag.com Wed Sep 17 13:03:50 2008 From: aqmstaffo at mailbag.com (Daniel Stafford) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:03:50 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Exposed: McCain team includes 83 Wall Street lobbyists Message-ID: <48D13876.4090108@mailbag.com> http://rawstory.com/news/2008/McCain_team_includes_83_Wall_Street_0917.html *Exposed: McCain team includes 83 Wall Street lobbyists *As Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) rails against Wall Street while concurrently benefiting from its largesse, some journalists are getting tired. David Corn -- an investigative reporter formerly with /The Nation/ and currently reporting for /Mother Jones/ -- _has printed_ a list of 83 Wall Street lobbyists he says are working for or have bundled contributions for McCain. The Democratic National Committee has previously accused McCain of using 177 lobbyists either as campaign aides, advisers or fundraisers. Corn notes that former Sen. Phil Gramm, the Arizona senator's onetime campaign chairman and economic adviser, slipped into law a provision that kept credit default swaps unregulated, dramatically kindling to the current financial fires. "Of those 177 lobbyists, according to a Mother Jones review of Senate and House records, at least 83 have in recent years lobbied for the financial industry McCain now attacks," Corn writes. "These are high-paid influence-peddlers who have been working the corridors of the nation's capital to win favors and special treatment for investment banks, securities firms, hedge funds, accounting outfits, and insurance companies. Their clients have included AIG, the newest symbol of corporate excess; Lehman Brothers, which filed for bankruptcy on Monday sending the stock market into a tailspin; Merrill Lynch, which was bought out by Bank of America this week; and Washington Mutual, the banking giant that could be the next to fall. "Among these 83 lobbyists are McCain's chief political adviser, Charlie Black (JP Morgan, Washington Mutual Bank, Freddie Mac, Mortgage Bankers Association of America); McCain's national finance co-chairman, Wayne Berman (AIG, Blackstone, Credit Suisse, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac); the campaign's congressional liaison, John Green (Carlyle Group, Citigroup, Icahn Associates, Fannie Mae); McCain's veep vetter, Arthur Culvahouse (Fannie Mae); and McCain's transition planning chief, William Timmons Sr. (Citigroup, Freddie Mac, Vanguard Group)." Obama's anti-lobbyist rhetoric, meanwhile, has irked other reporters, among them /Newsweek/'s Michael Isikoff. Isikoff noted that Obama's chief strategist, David Axelrod, worked for a firm that hoodwinked Illinois consumers by convincing them a California-style crises would befall them unless they increased electric rates. Axelrod adamantly denied the charge. "I've never lobbied anybody in my life," he said. "I've never talked to any public official on behalf of a corporate client." The full McCain list is printed below. ### Phil Anderson: American Council of Life Insurers, Aetna, AIG, New York Life, MassMutual, VISA Rebecca Anderson: Aegon, American Council of Life Insurers, Cigna, Barclays, Credit Suisse First Boston, HSBC Stanton Anderson: The Debt Exchange David Beightol: Allstate, Amerigroup, Charles Schwab, HSBC Rhonda Bentz: VISA Wayne Berman: American Council of Life Insurers, AIG, Americhoice, Shinsei Bank, Blackstone, Carlyle Group, Broidy Capital Management, Credit Suisse Securities, Highstar Capital, VISA, Ameriquest Mortgage, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Fitch Ratings Charlie Black: JP Morgan, Washington Mutual Bank, Freddie Mac, Mortgage Bankers Association of America, National Association of Mortgage Brokers Judy Black: Colorado Credit Union League, Genworth Financial, Bay Harbour Management, Merrill Lynch Kirk Blalock: Credit Union National Association, Financial Executives International, American Insurance Association, Mutual of Omaha, Zurich Financial Service Group, Fannie Mae, Federal Home Loan Bank of San Francisco Carlos Bonilla: Financial Services Roundtable, Freddie Mac Christine Burgeson: Citigroup Mark Buse: Freddie Mac, Goldman Sachs, Manufacturers Life Insurance Company Nicholas Calio: Citigroup, Managed Fund Association, Fannie Mae, Merrill Lynch, The Investment Company Institute, TIAA-CRE, Securities Industry and Financial Markets Association Ben Nighthorse Campbell: Amscot Financial Corporation, Community Financial Services Association, Fidelity National Financial Andrew Cantor: American Insurance Association, Merrill Lynch Alberto Cardenas: Fannie Mae James Courter: Goldman Sachs, Donaldson Lufkin & Jenrette, Investment Company Institute, Merrill Lynch David Crane: Financial Services Roundtable, PriceWaterhouseCoopers, Deloitte & Touche, KPMG, Ernst & Young, Bank of America, Association of Corporate Credit Unions, Freddie Mac Dan Crippen: Merrill Lynch, National Multi-Housing Council Arthur Culvahouse: Fannie Mae Bryan Cunningham: Arch Capital Group Alfonse D'Amato: AIG, Freddie Mac Doug Davenport: Federal Home Loan Bank of San Francisco, Goldman Sachs, VISA Ashley Davis: Prudential Financial, American Financial Group, American Premier Underwriters, Great American Insurance Company Mimi Dawson: MassMutual Melissa Edwards: Freddie Mac, National Association of Real Estate Investment Trusts, Access to Capital Coalition Chris Fidler: American Bankers Association, Milcom Venture Partners, National Association Real Estate Investment Trusts Samuel Geduldig: American Bankers Association, American Institute of CPAs, America Gains, Berkshire Hathaway, Consumer Bankers Association, Ernst & Young, Financial Services Roundtable, Investment Company Institute, PriceWaterhouseCoopers, Prudential Financial, Sovereign Investment Council, Fidelity Investments, FMR Corp. Benjamin Ginsberg: Massachusetts Mutual Life Insurance, AIG Technical Services David Girard-Dicarlo: American Financial Group, American Premier Underwriters Juleanna Glover Weiss: RJI Capital, American Institute of CPAs, BNP Paribas, Ernst & Young, PriceWaterhouseCoopers Slade Gorton: Allstate Insurance, Hannan Armstrong Capital Phil Gramm: UBS Americas John Green: Laredo National Bank, Alternative Investment Management Association, AIG, Blackstone Group, Carlyle Group, Citigroup, Credit Suisse Group, Fannie Mae, Icahn Associates, FMR Corp., AFLAC, VISA Janet Grissom: American Institute of CPAs, NYSE, Merrill Lynch Kristen Gullott: San Diego Credit Union Kent Hance: Stanford Financial Group, Municipal Capital Markets Group, Inc. Vicki Hart: American Financial Services Association, Citigroup, Investment Company Institute, Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch, New York Stock Exchange, VISA, Carlyle Group, Credit Suisse, Federal Home Loan Bank of Indianapolis, Goldman Sachs, National Association of Government Guaranteed Lenders, Stanford Group, Lloyd's of London, National City Corp. Richard Hohlt: Capmark Financial Group, Fannie Mae, JP Morgan Chase and Co., Student Loan Marketing Association, Washington Mutual, Guaranty Bank & Trust, Peachtree Settlement Funding, Dime Savings Bank of New York Gaylord Hughey: Heartland Security Insurance Group Kate Hull: Credit Union National Association, Fannie Mae, Federal Home Loan Bank of San Francisco, Zurich Financial Services, American Insurance Association, Financial Executives International James Hyland: American Insurance Association, Seattle Home Loan Bank, Self Help Credit Union, National Association of Bankruptcy Trustees, Merrill Lynch, Mortgage Investors Corp., Federal Home Loan Bank of Indianapolis, Freddie Mac, New York Stock Exchange, Citigroup, VISA Aleix Jarvis: Credit Union National Association, Fannie Mae, Federal Home Loan Bank of San Francisco, Financial Executives International, Mutual of Omaha, American Insurance Association, Zurich Financial Services Greg Jenner: American Council of Life Insurers, JG Wentworth, UBS, VISA, PriceWaterhouseCoopers Frank Keating: American Council of Life Insurers Steven Kuykendall: California Bankers Association William Lesher: Chicago Mercantile Exchange, Commerce Ventures, Rabobank International Thomas Loeffler: Citigroup, Fannie Mae, Investment Company Institute, World Savings and Loan Association, United Services Automobile Association (USAA) Kelly Lugar: RJI Capital Strategies Peter Madigan: Arthur Andersen, Bank of New York, Broadridge Securities Processing, Charles Schwab, Deloitte and Touche, Goldman Sachs, International Employee Stock Option Coalition, Mastercard, NYSE, Fannie Mae, Merrill Lynch, PNC Bank Mary Mann: MassMutual Paul Martino: Morgan Stanley, Baker Tilly Jana McKeag: Venture Catalyst Alison McSlarrow: Fannie Mae, Hartford Mike Meece: Georgetown Partners David Metzner: Ernst & Young, Harbinger Capital Investments, Prudential, Public Financial Management, Western Union Susan Molinari: Freddie Mac, American Land Title Association, Association of Consumer Credit Unions, Beacon Capital Partners, College Loan Corp, Coventry First, E-Trade, Financial Services Roundtable, Rent-A-Center John Moran: Cerberus Capital Management, American Council of Life Insurers, Accenture John Napier: Freddie Mac Susan Nelson: AIG, San Antonio Credit Union Paul Otellini: Ernst & Young, Financial Services Forum Steve Perry: Charles Schwab, Hoover Partners, HSBC, National Stock Exchange Nancy Pfotenhauer: American Land Title Association, Mortgage Bankers Association Elise Pickering-Finley: Credit Suisse, DE Shaw, Hartford Financial Services, Research In Motion, Retail Industry Lenders Association, URL Mutual James Pitts: Advanced Association for Life Underwriting, AETNA, American Council of Life Insurers, AIG, Council of Insurance Agents and Brokers, Debt Advisory International, Financial Services Coordinating Council, GE Financial Assurance, Hartford Life, Jefferson Pilot Financial, Kenwood Investments, MassMutual, Mutual of Omaha, New York Life, UNUM Provident, VISA, PMI Group Tim Powers: AP Capital, Genworth Financial, Retail Industry Lenders Association, E-LOAN, General Electric Mortgage Insurance Walter Price: Wachovia Sloan Rappoport: Friedman, Billings, Ramsey Group, Inc. (FBR), Trafelet Delta Funds Hans Rickhoff: Capital One, Investment Company Institute, United Services Automobile Association (USAA) Kathleen Shanahan: New York Stock Exchange Andrew Shore: Accenture, Retail Industry Lenders Association, Barclays, Bond Market Association, Credit Suisse, TPG Capital Katie Stahl: Alliance for Investment Transparency, Ares Management, Fairfax Financial Holdings, Uhlmann Financial Group Milly Stanges: TIAA-CREF Aquiles Suarez: Fannie Mae Don Sundquist: Freddie Mac, The Hartford Peter Terpeluk: JP Morgan Chase, Ernst & Young, Prudential Fred Thompson: Equitas Jeri Thompson: American Insurance Association John Timmons: National Association of Federal Credit Unions William Timmons Sr.: American Council of Life Insurers, Citigroup, Dun & Bradstreet, Freddie Mac, Vanguard Group Vin Weber: Agstar Financial Services, AKT Investment Corp., American Institute of CPAs, Ernst & Young, Freddie Mac, Louis Dreyfus Corp, PriceWaterhouseCoopers Jeffery Weiss: JP Morgan Tony Williams: Russell Investment Group, American Life Inc., Northwestern Mutual -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mjkirk12 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 17 14:14:35 2008 From: mjkirk12 at yahoo.com (Mike Kirk) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:14:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CitizensTruth] The Fed basically NATIONALIZES AIG... In-Reply-To: <48D12F33.2090400@mailbag.com> Message-ID: <991104.60440.qm@web83820.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> As the author Michael Parenti was quoted: "The USA has Socialism for the rich and Capitalism for the poor." Quite disturbing.? The rest of the world knows what is going on. http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2008/09/08/jim-rogers-socialism-for-the-rich/ -Mike --- On Wed, 9/17/08, Daniel Stafford wrote: From: Daniel Stafford Subject: [CitizensTruth] The Fed basically NATIONALIZES AIG... To: "IL Progressive Dems" , "AB_Progressives" , "Progressive" , DiehardDems at yahoogroups.com, "Citizen's Truth" Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 11:24 AM ...guess big government is necessary after all, such as cleaning up after REAGAN-BUSH-CLINTON-BUSH-BUSH gutted regulations put in place after the LAST great (what was so damn great about it???) depression to keep the financial industry from pulling the same crap. They turned the Ferenghi loose, and now they have to mop up Ferenghi turds before everyone is neck deep in them. George W. probably has his teeth filed and ears rubbed by Jeff Gannon weekly...and now McLame wants to be the next Grand Nagus. DS Federal Reserve to Loan AIG $85 Billion in Rescue http://www.truthout.org/article/fed-loan-aig-85-billion-rescue Edmund L. Andrews, Michael J. de la Merced and Mary Wiliams Walsh, The New York Times: "Acting to avert a possible financial crisis worldwide, the Federal Reserve reversed course on Tuesday and agreed to an $85 billion bailout that would give the government an ownership stake in the troubled insurance giant American International Group, according to people briefed on the negotiations. The decision, only two weeks after the Treasury took over the quasigovernment mortgage finance companies Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, is the most radical intervention in private business in the central bank's history." _______________________________________________ CitizensTruth mailing list CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth website: http://citizenstruth.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hal at drxyzzy.org Wed Sep 17 14:40:23 2008 From: hal at drxyzzy.org (Hal Snyder) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:40:23 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] The Fed basically NATIONALIZES AIG... In-Reply-To: <991104.60440.qm@web83820.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <991104.60440.qm@web83820.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3207DDFC-CDA1-419E-94EE-C95F2B3D1C5D@drxyzzy.org> While we do see moves to bail out the rich while working people are left in the cold, I think some fundamental supports have already been pillaged and undermined. Bail-outs (Fannie & Freddie, e.g.) might prevent or soften the collapse. We are now blackmailed after a large part of the larceny has occurred, as in the S&L scandal under Reagan and Bush I (remember the Keating Five including McCain as well as Neil Bush's part in Silverado S&L). In the documentary by Tim Bennett and Sally Erickson, "What a Way to Go", the parallel is drawn on a larger scale - comparing the materials economy and modern civilization to a building in which people living on upper floors pull out bricks from below to keep building upward. On Sep 17, 2008, at 1:14 PM, Mike Kirk wrote: > As the author Michael Parenti was quoted: > "The USA has Socialism for the rich and Capitalism for the poor." > > Quite disturbing. The rest of the world knows what is going on. > http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2008/09/08/jim-rogers-socialism- > for-the-rich/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Walterb306 at cs.com Wed Sep 17 21:11:59 2008 From: Walterb306 at cs.com (Walterb306 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:11:59 EDT Subject: [CitizensTruth] Fwd: goo-goo america Message-ID: All, If you haven't yet been introduced to the extraordinary essays of Chicago journalist Bob Koehler, here is a sample. 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URL: From aqmstaffo at mailbag.com Thu Sep 18 11:44:20 2008 From: aqmstaffo at mailbag.com (Daniel Stafford) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:44:20 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Obama, McCain and the Truth About Taxes Message-ID: <48D27754.6000608@mailbag.com> http://www.truthout.org/article/obama-mccain-and-truth-about-taxes Obama, McCain and the Truth About Taxes Tuesday 16 September 2008 by: Maya Schenwar, t r u t h o u t | Report photo (Illustration: The New Yorker) Unless you make more than $2.87 million per year, Barack Obama will not raise your taxes. In fact, he will probably cut them. This reality has been trampled, twisted, turned inside out and scribbled over so many times by the McCain campaign that it is hardly recognizable amid the clutter, but the fact remains: Obama's plan would grant tax cuts to all Americans making less than $226,982 per year, with the largest cuts going to the poorest individuals. Only the wealthiest 0.1 percent of earners would have to pay more. McCain's plan, in contrast, would decrease taxes for all, but the largest decreases would go to the highest-earning bracket of taxpayers, as well as to corporations. The lowest-income Americans would benefit the least from McCain's tax cuts, with only a 0.2 percent decrease. They'd get a 5.5 percent tax cut under Obama's plan. Since most Americans do not make more than $226,982, most Americans would receive a larger tax cut if Obama became president, according to a recent study by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center that compared the two proposals. Additionally, under Obama's plan, low-earning seniors would pay no income tax at all. *McCain-onomics* Despite McCain's self-promoted image as a "maverick" and innovator, his tax policy appears to be driven by the same motivations as his GOP forebears, according to Jonah Gelbach, a University of Arizona economics professor who has written extensively on the presidential campaign. (Graphic: The Washington Post) "McCain has signed on to the Republican Party's generation-long view that the rich just aren't rich enough," Gelbach told Truthout. The McCain campaign holds that padding wealthy (and corporate) pocketbooks is the best type of economic stimulus. Under this logic, tax cuts for the highest earners encourage those individuals to give more back to the economy - starting new enterprises, expanding their businesses and spending more cash. "Entrepreneurs are at the heart of American innovation, growth and prosperity," the campaign's platform states. "Entrepreneurs create the ultimate job security - a new, better opportunity if your current job goes away. Entrepreneurs should not be taxed into submission." Yet Gelbach points to the fact that tax rates are lower now than they were during the Clinton era, a period which, despite the warnings of conservative doomsayers, proved prosperous. Moreover, small-town, working-class "values voters" - key Republican targets - would gain little from McCain's plan, according to Gelbach. Hefty tax cuts for the rich would eventually need to be balanced out, either by increasing taxes for lower-income brackets or by slashing spending. Given the McCain campaign's commitment to a large military presence abroad, funding cuts would likely affect the domestic programs that provide assistance to working-class Americans. Stanford professor Myron Scholes, the 1997 Nobel Prize winner in economics, lauds McCain's emphasis on slashing taxes. Speaking to reporters at a late August conference, he called Obama's plan a "policy of redistribution." However, he noted, a McCain presidency would likely see an uphill battle on taxes. "All things being equal, we'll probably have a Democratic Congress," Scholes said. "So McCain can say he wants to produce lots of different tax cuts, but it'll be hard to get that through." *Obama's Fairness Doctrine* Like McCain's, Obama's economic plan claims the "tax relief" mantra. However, instead of adhering to trickle-down logic, it focuses on the middle class. "Obama will restore fairness to the tax code and provide 150 million workers the tax relief they need," his platform states. After tax credits, 10 million Americans would pay no income tax at all. "Restoring fairness" means substantially cutting taxes for lower earners and raising them for the super-wealthy. But it also means a whole range of programs to even up access to health care, education and housing. Obama's proposal would reduce insurance costs across the board and offer tax credits to employees who buy insurance. It would also add a $4,000 tax credit for families to send their kids to college. The conservative Heritage Foundation released a memo in June linking the Obama plan to "European levels of taxation," calling it a "return to the bad old days" of the Carter administration and accusing it of "raising taxes on the successful." The question for voters then becomes a personal and philosophical one: to what extent should the wealthy be asked to give back to their country and community? The 95 percent of working families that would receive a tax cut under an Obama administration might come up with a different answer than the Heritage Foundation. *War and Taxes* One factor that the McCain campaign doesn't emphasize is exactly where the tax dollars that /are/ collected will be going. Though McCain's plan drastically reduces taxes, it doesn't reduce the amount of money allotted to one of the most expensive government endeavors: the Iraq war. The Obama campaign's Brian Deese recently told the Chicago Sun-Times that comparisons of the two candidates' economic plans don't "count the impact of current Iraq war spending," adding that "if McCain's plan drives the deficit up and puts upward pressure on interest rates, that increases costs for families and could force really Draconian, across-the-board spending cuts." By straightforward logic, a substantial withdrawal of troops from Iraq, as proposed by Obama, would ease the burden that status-quo military policies have placed on taxpayers, according to Gelbach. "Getting out of Iraq faster will certainly reduce the present value of federal tax dollars necessary to raise, unless you think that getting out will make things worse and force us back in an even more expensive capacity," Gelbach said. "McCain has at various times made arguments to this effect, but his record on Iraq judgment has not exactly been stellar.... McCain's campaign has tried to claim they can count on military savings from leaving Iraq, even as he has both endorsed in principle a 100-year US presence and refused to sign on to the timeline that the Maliki government is now working out with the Bush administration. He has repeatedly said we will leave only with victory, yet he has refused to define 'victory.'" Thus, it is hard for an objective observer to determine exactly when or under what conditions McCain would actually leave Iraq. And the cost of our presence in Iraq - whether in full-on combat role or otherwise - would ultimately have to be paid with actual tax dollars." According to the recent Tax Policy Center study, both candidates' plans would increase the national debt. However, Obama wins here on the fiscal conservation front: McCain's proposal would cost the Treasury $3.7 trillion, while Obama's would cash in at $2.7 trillion. The power of the purse ultimately rests with Congress, and neither candidate would be able to singlehandedly change the course of economic policy upon taking office. Still, when it comes to taxes, Obama and McCain would guide the country in sharply different directions. Looking past the McCain campaign's misleading rhetoric and convoluted logic, the problem boils down to this: Who should be first in line for tax relief: the rich or the poor? It's no secret where each candidate's priorities lie. ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maya Schenwar is an editor and reporter for Truthout. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: nyr.mccain.091608.preview.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 19428 bytes Desc: not available Url : -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Fact is, with a honest money creation system, we would not need taxes, or any other fees for balancing the budget. Balancing the budget is a false argument to keep us "barking up the wrong tree." The ONLY reason for taxes, fees or other such devices would be to "extinguish" debt "free" money the Congress has been authorized by WE THE PEOPLE to spend into circulation. See my book, and website: http://www.thetwofacesofmoney.com/index.php/Main/HomePage For a short cut to understanding why we pay so much in taxes, check the second 10 minute video: http://www.thetwofacesofmoney.com/index.php/Site/RecommendedVideos gerip Daniel Stafford wrote: > > http://www.truthout.org/article/obama-mccain-and-truth-about-taxes > > > Obama, McCain and the Truth About Taxes > > > Tuesday 16 September 2008 > > by: Maya Schenwar, t r u t h o u t | Report > > photo > (Illustration: The New Yorker) > > Unless you make more than $2.87 million per year, Barack Obama > will not raise your taxes. In fact, he will probably cut them. > > This reality has been trampled, twisted, turned inside out and > scribbled over so many times by the McCain campaign that it is hardly > recognizable amid the clutter, but the fact remains: Obama's plan > would grant tax cuts to all Americans making less than $226,982 per > year, with the largest cuts going to the poorest individuals. Only the > wealthiest 0.1 percent of earners would have to pay more. > > McCain's plan, in contrast, would decrease taxes for all, but the > largest decreases would go to the highest-earning bracket of > taxpayers, as well as to corporations. The lowest-income Americans > would benefit the least from McCain's tax cuts, with only a 0.2 > percent decrease. They'd get a 5.5 percent tax cut under Obama's plan. > > Since most Americans do not make more than $226,982, most > Americans would receive a larger tax cut if Obama became president, > according to a recent study by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center that > compared the two proposals. > > Additionally, under Obama's plan, low-earning seniors would pay no > income tax at all. > > *McCain-onomics* > > Despite McCain's self-promoted image as a "maverick" and > innovator, his tax policy appears to be driven by the same motivations > as his GOP forebears, according to Jonah Gelbach, a University of > Arizona economics professor who has written extensively on the > presidential campaign. > > > (Graphic: The Washington Post) > > > "McCain has signed on to the Republican Party's generation-long > view that the rich just aren't rich enough," Gelbach told Truthout. > > The McCain campaign holds that padding wealthy (and corporate) > pocketbooks is the best type of economic stimulus. Under this logic, > tax cuts for the highest earners encourage those individuals to give > more back to the economy - starting new enterprises, expanding their > businesses and spending more cash. > > "Entrepreneurs are at the heart of American innovation, growth and > prosperity," the campaign's platform states. "Entrepreneurs create the > ultimate job security - a new, better opportunity if your current job > goes away. Entrepreneurs should not be taxed into submission." > > Yet Gelbach points to the fact that tax rates are lower now than > they were during the Clinton era, a period which, despite the warnings > of conservative doomsayers, proved prosperous. > > Moreover, small-town, working-class "values voters" - key > Republican targets - would gain little from McCain's plan, according > to Gelbach. Hefty tax cuts for the rich would eventually need to be > balanced out, either by increasing taxes for lower-income brackets or > by slashing spending. Given the McCain campaign's commitment to a > large military presence abroad, funding cuts would likely affect the > domestic programs that provide assistance to working-class Americans. > > Stanford professor Myron Scholes, the 1997 Nobel Prize winner in > economics, lauds McCain's emphasis on slashing taxes. Speaking to > reporters at a late August conference, he called Obama's plan a > "policy of redistribution." However, he noted, a McCain presidency > would likely see an uphill battle on taxes. > > "All things being equal, we'll probably have a Democratic > Congress," Scholes said. "So McCain can say he wants to produce lots > of different tax cuts, but it'll be hard to get that through." > > *Obama's Fairness Doctrine* > > Like McCain's, Obama's economic plan claims the "tax relief" > mantra. However, instead of adhering to trickle-down logic, it focuses > on the middle class. > > "Obama will restore fairness to the tax code and provide 150 > million workers the tax relief they need," his platform states. After > tax credits, 10 million Americans would pay no income tax at all. > > "Restoring fairness" means substantially cutting taxes for lower > earners and raising them for the super-wealthy. But it also means a > whole range of programs to even up access to health care, education > and housing. Obama's proposal would reduce insurance costs across the > board and offer tax credits to employees who buy insurance. It would > also add a $4,000 tax credit for families to send their kids to college. > > The conservative Heritage Foundation released a memo in June > linking the Obama plan to "European levels of taxation," calling it a > "return to the bad old days" of the Carter administration and accusing > it of "raising taxes on the successful." The question for voters then > becomes a personal and philosophical one: to what extent should the > wealthy be asked to give back to their country and community? > > The 95 percent of working families that would receive a tax cut > under an Obama administration might come up with a different answer > than the Heritage Foundation. > > *War and Taxes* > > One factor that the McCain campaign doesn't emphasize is exactly > where the tax dollars that /are/ collected will be going. Though > McCain's plan drastically reduces taxes, it doesn't reduce the amount > of money allotted to one of the most expensive government endeavors: > the Iraq war. > > The Obama campaign's Brian Deese recently told the Chicago > Sun-Times that comparisons of the two candidates' economic plans don't > "count the impact of current Iraq war spending," adding that "if > McCain's plan drives the deficit up and puts upward pressure on > interest rates, that increases costs for families and could force > really Draconian, across-the-board spending cuts." > > By straightforward logic, a substantial withdrawal of troops from > Iraq, as proposed by Obama, would ease the burden that status-quo > military policies have placed on taxpayers, according to Gelbach. > > "Getting out of Iraq faster will certainly reduce the present > value of federal tax dollars necessary to raise, unless you think that > getting out will make things worse and force us back in an even more > expensive capacity," Gelbach said. "McCain has at various times made > arguments to this effect, but his record on Iraq judgment has not > exactly been stellar.... McCain's campaign has tried to claim they can > count on military savings from leaving Iraq, even as he has both > endorsed in principle a 100-year US presence and refused to sign on to > the timeline that the Maliki government is now working out with the > Bush administration. He has repeatedly said we will leave only with > victory, yet he has refused to define 'victory.'" Thus, it is hard for > an objective observer to determine exactly when or under what > conditions McCain would actually leave Iraq. And the cost of our > presence in Iraq - whether in full-on combat role or otherwise - would > ultimately have to be paid with actual tax dollars." > > According to the recent Tax Policy Center study, both candidates' > plans would increase the national debt. However, Obama wins here on > the fiscal conservation front: McCain's proposal would cost the > Treasury $3.7 trillion, while Obama's would cash in at $2.7 trillion. > > The power of the purse ultimately rests with Congress, and neither > candidate would be able to singlehandedly change the course of > economic policy upon taking office. Still, when it comes to taxes, > Obama and McCain would guide the country in sharply different directions. > > Looking past the McCain campaign's misleading rhetoric and > convoluted logic, the problem boils down to this: Who should be first > in line for tax relief: the rich or the poor? It's no secret where > each candidate's priorities lie. > > ? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Maya Schenwar is an editor and reporter for > Truthout. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > CitizensTruth mailing list > CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > website: http://citizenstruth.info > From Walterb306 at cs.com Fri Sep 19 11:40:02 2008 From: Walterb306 at cs.com (Walterb306 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:40:02 EDT Subject: [CitizensTruth] New Video - A must-see Message-ID: All, FYI, Beverley Fabled Enemies (Full Film) The Enemy Struck America. But Who Is The Enemy? Fabled Enemies is unlike any 9/11documentary ever put together. Rather than focusing on the physical anomalies at the World Trade Center and Pentagon, this film follows the intelligence ties of Osama Bin Laden, the alleged hijackers, and those who were actually detained on 9/11. The movie delves deeply into the roles of seperate Nations that were involved in supporting the 9/11 attacks. From Israel to Saudi Arabia to Pakistan, and even the United States itself, no one is spared in this scathing expose that pulls no punches. Sit back and get ready to learn how members of the FBI had their investigations into Bin Laden obstructed and shut down, how the hijackers were trained at US bases, that military drills crippled our defense and facilitated the attacks, how the Shadow Government was actually activated that day, and much much more~~ http://fightingtyranny.ning.com/video/video/show?id=2103698:Video:26168 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The second act of tyranny took place in a private Oval Office ceremony, in which the president signed into law the 'John Warner National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) of 2007' which essentially eliminates the protections of the Posse Comitatus Act and re-wrote the Insurrection Act. ?The NDAA will allow the president to declare a 'public emergency' and take control of state-based National Guard units without the consent of the governor or local authorities, in order to 'suppress public disorder'! About The Military Commissions Act of 2006 . . . "A writ of habeas corpus which is Latin for 'you have the body' [as proof] is a judicial mandate to a prison official ordering that an inmate be brought to the court so it can be determined whether or not that person is imprisoned lawfully and whether or not he should be released from custody."(1) "The writ of habeas corpus serves as an important check on the manner in which state courts pay respect to federal constitutional rights. ?The writ is 'the fundamental instrument for safeguarding individual freedom against arbitrary and lawless state action'."(1) The Signing of the Military Commissions Act (MCA) of 2006 Expressing the pessimist's view was law professor Jonathan Turley who wrote: "The Congress just gave the president despotic powers and you could hear a yawn across the country [. . . ] ?People clearly don't realize what a fundamental change it is about who we are as a country. ?What happened today changed us. ?And I'm not too sure we're going to change back anytime soon."(2) Turley also said that: ?"What, really, a time of shame this is for the American system. ?What the Congress did and what the president signed today essentially revokes over 200 years of American principles and values."(3) You can watch this MSNBC video where Keith Olbermann and guest Jonathon Turley, Constitutional Law professor at George Washington University discuss the Military Commissions Act here. About the John Warner National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) of 2007 . . . The NDAA essentially eliminated the Posse Comitatus Act and re-wrote the Insurrection Act so that the president can declare a 'public emergency' and take control of state-based National Guard units without the consent of the governor or local authorities, in order to 'suppress public disorder'! "The historic and ominous re-writing of the Insurrection Act, accomplished in the dead of night, which gives Bush the legal authority to declare martial law, is now an accomplished fact."(4) "In a stealth maneuver, President Bush has signed into law a provision which, according to Senator Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont), will actually encourage the President to declare federal martial law . ?It does so by revising the Insurrection Act, a set of laws that limits the President?s ability to deploy troops within the United States. ?The Insurrection Act (10 U.S.C.331 -335) has historically, along with the Posse Comitatus Act (18 U.S.C.1385), helped to enforce strict prohibitions on military involvement in domestic law enforcement. ?With one cloaked swipe of his pen, Bush is seeking to undo those prohibitions."(4) The Signing of the John Warner National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) of 2007 What 'Rights' Have Been Taken From You? "On September 28, by a vote of 65-34, the Senate formally passed S. 3930, the Military Commissions Act of 2006 (MCA). ?The next day, the House of Representatives followed suit, passing the act by a vote of 250-170, . . . [whereby] "alien unlawful enemy combatants ... [to be] subject to trial by military commissions" without the constitutional safeguards American citizens possess against illegal detainment and judicial railroading."(5) As far as an American citizen is concerned the definition of the term 'unlawful enemy combatant' has ominous import for them. ?The law states the following: "(1) UNLAWFUL ENEMY COMBATANT - (A) The term 'unlawful enemy combatant' means--"(6) "(i) a person who has engaged in hostilities or who has purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United States or its co-belligerents who is not a lawful enemy combatant (including a person who is part of the Taliban, al-Qaeda, or associated forces); or "(6) "(ii) a person who , before, on, or after the date of the enactment of the Military Commissions Act of 2006, has been determined to be an unlawful enemy combatant by a Combatant Status Review Tribunal or another competent tribunal established under the authority of the president or the secretary of defense ."(6) "Notice that this definition contains no exception for Americans; it throws the blanket over citizen and alien alike by using the word 'person' rather than 'alien'."(5) All Americans should know that the suspension of the 'writ of habeas corpus' by the 'Military Commissions Act of 2006' is a violation of Article 1, Section 9 of the U.?S.Constitution which states: ?"The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it." Gonzales: ??There Is No Express Grant of Habeas Corpus In The Constitution? Yesterday, [1/18/07] during Senate Judiciary Committee hearings, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales . . . was debating Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA) about whether the Supreme Court?s ruling on Guantanamo detainees last year cited the constitutional right to habeas corpus. ?Gonzales claimed the Court did not cite such a right, [Specter disagreed] then [Gonzales] added, "There is no express grant of habeas in the Constitution." Specter pushed back. ?"Wait a minute. ?The constitution says you can?t take it away, except in the case of rebellion or invasion. ?Doesn?t that mean you have the right of habeas corpus, unless there is an invasion or rebellion?" You MUST watch this EXTREMELY DISTURBING video: ?http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/videos/GonzalesOnHabeas.html#Title Ominously, the full text of the 'Military Commissions Act of 2006' was published by the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations). ?The fact that the CFR published the 'Act' would appear to be prima facie evidence of the Shadow Government's support for its genesis!(6) The Center for Constitutional Rights commented that the: ?"Congress is now rubber-stamping a bill that was written by the President which gives the President expansive power to detain without judicial oversight. ?If the Military Commissions Act is passed, it will grant the President the privilege of kings , allowing him to imprison any critics as alleged ?enemy combatants,? never to see the inside of a court room or to have the chance to challenge their detention or their treatment. ?What would we say if another country passed a law making it legal to snatch U.S. citizens and detain them indefinitely?"(7) Sadly, the American Forces Press Service, propagandized the signing by utilizing the most common form of deception . . . omission. ?Read how they announced the signing but uttered not one peep about the potentially devastating future it has unleashed.(8) The Signing of the John Warner National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) of 2007 What 'Rights' Have Been Taken From You? "On September 28, by a vote of 65-34, the Senate formally passed S. 3930, the Military Commissions Act of 2006 (MCA). ?The next day, the House of Representatives followed suit, passing the act by a vote of 250-170, . . . [whereby] "alien unlawful enemy combatants ... [to be] subject to trial by military commissions" without the constitutional safeguards American citizens possess against illegal detainment and judicial railroading."(5) As far as an American citizen is concerned the definition of the term 'unlawful enemy combatant' has ominous import for them. ?The law states the following: "(1) UNLAWFUL ENEMY COMBATANT - (A) The term 'unlawful enemy combatant' means--"(6) "(i) a person who has engaged in hostilities or who has purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United States or its co-belligerents who is not a lawful enemy combatant (including a person who is part of the Taliban, al-Qaeda, or associated forces); or "(6) "(ii) a person who , before, on, or after the date of the enactment of the Military Commissions Act of 2006, has been determined to be an unlawful enemy combatant by a Combatant Status Review Tribunal or another competent tribunal established under the authority of the president or the secretary of defense ."(6) "Notice that this definition contains no exception for Americans; it throws the blanket over citizen and alien alike by using the word 'person' rather than 'alien'."(5) All Americans should know that the suspension of the 'writ of habeas corpus' by the 'Military Commissions Act of 2006' is a violation of Article 1, Section 9 of the U.?S.Constitution which states: ?"The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it." Gonzales: ??There Is No Express Grant of Habeas Corpus In The Constitution? Yesterday, [1/18/07] during Senate Judiciary Committee hearings, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales . . . was debating Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA) about whether the Supreme Court?s ruling on Guantanamo detainees last year cited the constitutional right to habeas corpus. ?Gonzales claimed the Court did not cite such a right, [Specter disagreed] then [Gonzales] added, "There is no express grant of habeas in the Constitution." Specter pushed back. ?"Wait a minute. ?The constitution says you can?t take it away, except in the case of rebellion or invasion. ?Doesn?t that mean you have the right of habeas corpus, unless there is an invasion or rebellion?" You MUST watch this EXTREMELY DISTURBING video: ?http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/videos/GonzalesOnHabeas.html#Title Ominously, the full text of the 'Military Commissions Act of 2006' was published by the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations). ?The fact that the CFR published the 'Act' would appear to be prima facie evidence of the Shadow Government's support for its genesis!(6) The Center for Constitutional Rights commented that the: ?"Congress is now rubber-stamping a bill that was written by the President which gives the President expansive power to detain without judicial oversight. ?If the Military Commissions Act is passed, it will grant the President the privilege of kings , allowing him to imprison any critics as alleged ?enemy combatants,? never to see the inside of a court room or to have the chance to challenge their detention or their treatment. ?What would we say if another country passed a law making it legal to snatch U.S. citizens and detain them indefinitely?"(7) Sadly, the American Forces Press Service, propagandized the signing by utilizing the most common form of deception . . . omission. ?Read how they announced the signing but uttered not one peep about the potentially devastating future it has unleashed.(8) ????????????????????????????Senator John Warner Martial Law Now Stalks America . . . On October 17, 2006, "Public Law 109-364, or the 'John Warner National Defense Authorization Act of 2007' (H.R.5122) (2), which was signed by the commander in chief on October 17th, 2006, in a private Oval Office ceremony, allows the President to declare a 'public emergency' and station troops anywhere in America and take control of state-based National Guard units without the consent of the governor or local authorities, in order to 'suppress public disorder'."(5) What the National Defense Authorization Act does is end the Posse Comitatus Act of 1787. ?Posse Comitatus is Latin for 'power of the country.' ?It WAS a "law, [that] was championed by far-sighted Southern lawmakers in 1878. ?They had experienced a fifteen year military occupation by the US Army in post-Civil War law enforcement. ?They understood the heel of a jackboot."(9) "In a nutshell, this act bans the Army, Navy, Airforce and Marines from participating in arrest, searches, seizure of evidence and other police-type activity on U.S. soil. ?The Coast Guard and National Guard troops under the control of state governors are excluded from the act."(9) All these new tyrannical laws have been created obsessively to combat the amorphous concept of 'fighting terrorism' . . . an undefined and ever present boogey man. ?So not only is the military now permitted to be used around the country, the president can take over the National Guard and the Coast Guard too. ?It can happen under ANY pretext, at which time the president will become the dictator-in-chief. According to Gen. Tommy Franks, martial law will replace the Constitution after the next terror attack . ?In an interview with Cigar Aficionado he said: ?"It means the potential of a weapon of mass destruction and a terrorist, massive, casualty-producing event somewhere in the Western world ? it may be in the United States of America ? that causes our population to question our own Constitution and to begin to militarize our country in order to avoid a repeat of another mass, casualty-producing event. ?Which in fact, then begins to unravel the fabric of our Constitution. ?Two steps, very, very important."(10) Written Dissent to the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) of 2007: No matter your opinion of Cynthia McKinney, her 26 page dissent of the NDAA of 2007 is very compelling and highlights the damage and erosion, of tasks and performance, taking place between the police and the military in direct contradiction of our Constitution. ?The following excerpt is from the section concerning the issue of Posse Comitatus [pp. 30-31 .pdf (pp. 528-529)] which can be found here: ?(11) This Authorization should also have reaffirmed the principle of Posse Comitatus for military forces, police and contracted security or combat forces. ?This Constitutional principle creates a bright line between military and police functions. In the wake of the attacks on September 11, 2001, the Bush administration has continued to make widespread and unnecessary changes in laws and administrative powers that undermine the most basic Constitutional principles and protected rights of citizens in a democracy [ours is a Constitutional Republic]. Recently, both President Bush and Senator Mark Warner (VA) have renewed calls to undermine or reverse the Posse Comitatus Act of 1867 [sic - i.e.,1878], which re-established the Constitutional principle and practice of separating military and police functions in a democracy [ours is a Constitutional Republic]. The experience of the founding fathers with the British model that combined the functions was enough to cause them to set that division sharply in administrative powers and civilian command of the military. The principles began to be eroded in the period following the end of the Civil War, and the effective occupation of areas of the south by federal troops who were holding military tribunals, carrying out executions of citizens and usurping local police and judicial control. ?Their excesses came to the attention of the post-war Congress and they passed the Posse Comitatus Act to forbid the military being used to enforce laws. Further erosion followed the end of the Vietnam War, when police departments were increasingly militarized in training and equipment as well as employing a large number of returning war veterans. SWAT teams were created, a clearly militarized police function, getting training on military bases with advanced weapons. When President George H.W. Bush came into office in the 1980s, his programs made increased use of military troops and equipment in the war against drugs, supporting police and collecting intelligence in regard to civilian crimes. ?Joint Military Task Forces were created that combined DoD, FBI, SWAT, ATF and local police in sieges at Wounded Knee, Waco, Texas and against MOVE in Philadelphia, using tanks and military explosives.:, President Bush has ample authority under provisions of existing laws on disaster response to mobilize and command any and all federal assets, including military forces. State directed National Guard units have always worked in conjunction with federal troops without being put under federal control themselves . ?Both National Guard and regular military forces are authorized under federal and state laws to use force to protect lives, property and public safety during a declared emergency. ?Police functions have been wisely left to local police and state National Guard forces, except when the situation was so dire they could not function. Executive Orders and PDDs Say How They Will Do It! Once martial law is invoked, then the Executive Orders (EOs) concerned with national security or defense issues are then ALSO invoked. ?These were previously known as National Security Directives. ?Under the Clinton Administration, they were renamed 'Presidential Decision Directives', commonly known as PDDs. For example PDD 63, issued in 1998 that speaks to protecting America's critical infrastructure "including telecommunications, banking and finance, energy, and transportation-that supports the U.S. economy, government, and military."(12) "The aim of PDD 63 was to introduce an improved information system infrastructure that is secure and interconnected by the year 2003, and to significantly increase security to government systems by the year 2000. ?PDD 63 designed a new configuration to protect the country's critical infrastructure. ?Some of the components are as follows: A national coordinator to handle critical infrastructure, as well as foreign terrorism and domestic mass destruction; The National Infrastructure Protection Center at the Federal Bureau of Investigation to bring together representatives from various agencies for information sharing and collaboration; Information Sharing and Analysis Center to be set up by the private sector in cooperation with the government; A National Infrastructure Assurance Council made up of private sector leaders and state/local officials to provide advice for a national plan; . . ." Why and who will be those from the 'private sector' running our government in a time of crisis? ?Will it be those international bankers and industrialists? ?It gives no parameters. ?It is concerning that they could ALL be the very people who want a One World Monopoly and the creation of the North American Union. ?What better, quick and efficient way to enforce their plans than to have them spring forward using a domestic tragedy like 9/11? ?But then that has always been their game plan. Executive Orders (EOs) are legally binding orders given by the President, acting as the head of the Executive Branch, to Federal Administrative Agencies. ?Executive Orders are generally used to direct federal agencies and officials in their execution of congressionally established laws or policies. ?However, in many instances they have been used to guide agencies in directions contrary to congressional intent. Executive Orders do not require Congressional approval to take effect but they have the same legal weight as laws passed by Congress . ?The President's source of authority to issue Executive Orders can be found in the Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution which grants to the President the "executive Power." Section 3 of Article II further directs the President to "take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed." ?To implement or execute the laws of the land, Presidents give direction and guidance to Executive Branch agencies and departments, often in the form of Executive Orders." But Today's Executive Orders Go FAR Beyond Those Rules As These Quotes Attest . . . "Stroke of the pen. Law of the Land. ?Kinda cool." Paul Begala, former Clinton advisor, The New York Times, July 5, 1998 (13) "We've switched the rules of the game. ?We're not trying to do anything legislatively." Interior Secretary Bruce Babbitt, The Washington Times, June 14, 1999 (13) Read over the following Executive Orders so you can understand what TOTAL, COMPLETE, and DICTATORIAL POWER these orders will invoke. ?Go here to search for the actual text for the Executive Orders as well at the current disposition of those Executive Orders: ?(14) Go to that Federal Register and check out the following Executive Orders: 13010, 13130, 13228, 13231, 13234, 14284, 13284, 13286 (transfers control of 12919 to DHS). Pay Particular Attention to Executive Order 12919 . . . The president of the United States, with the help of federal agencies, will have control over the following, as annotated by Paula Demers in 1996: ?(15) (a) All transportation, "regardless of ownership." ?This means that if they need your car, they?ve got it. ?They will control all public transportation also. (b) All forms of energy, including "petroleum, gas (natural and manufactured) , electricity, solid fuels (including all forms of coal), atomic energy, and the production, conservation, use, control, and distribution (including pipelines)." ?This means the federal government will have complete control over who will have power (electricity, etc.) and who won?t. ?They will be able to "pull the plug" on us at their discretion. (c) All farm equipment . ?Farmers will not have to be part of "the production or preparation for market use of food resources." ?They did this in Russia. ?The farmers worked for the government. (d) All fertilizer . ?This means that any product, or combination of products that contain one or more of the elements--nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium--will be able to be confiscated by the government. ?The reason they have this combination is because it includes anything that can be used as a plant nutrient. ?If you want a garden, forget it. (e) All food resources . ?ALL means ALL. ?This includes all "commodities and products, simple, mixed, or compound, or complements to such commodities or products that are being ingested by either human beings or animals...." ?This includes all "starches, sugars, vegetable and animal or marine fats and oils, cotton, tobacco, wool mohair, hemp, flax fiber, and naval stores." ?That means they can come into your house and take all your food. ?Period. ?Catherine Bertini, the executive director "UN World Food Program" made an interesting comment in Beijng, China, at the UN 4th World Conference on Women in September, 1995. ?She said, "Food is power. ?We use it to change behavior. ?Some may call that bribery. ?We do not apologize." ?[Henry Kissinger has infamously said: ?'Food can be used as a weapon!'] (f) All food resource facilities . ?This means "plants, machinery, vehicles (including on farm), and other facilities required for production, processing, distribution and storage (including cold food storage)." ?They go on to say that it includes "livestock and poultry feed and seed." ?In other words, they will control anything that has to do with food. (j) All health resources . ?This means EVERYTHING. ?They will have control over all "materials, facilities, health supplies, and equipment (including pharmaceutical, blood collecting and dispensing supplies, biological, surgical textiles, and emergency surgical instruments and supplies)." ?They will be able to come into your home and take your medicines. (k) All metals and minerals. ?[Think gold and silver confiscation] (m) All water resources . ?ALL usable water from all of the sources within the jurisdiction of the United States. ?All the water that can be "managed, controlled and allocated to meet emergency requirements." ?Not only will they be able to turn off your water supply, they can come and take any water you have stored in your house. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Walterb306 at cs.com Fri Sep 19 12:03:20 2008 From: Walterb306 at cs.com (Walterb306 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:03:20 EDT Subject: [CitizensTruth] ARTICLE- Two Acts of Tyranny Part II Message-ID: All, FYI, Beverley Speaking of Water . . . Did you know that some senators in the state of Washington were working to get a bill passed that would require you to obtain a permit in order to collect rainwater on you own property ? ?Who were the sponsors of such an absurdity? ?Why they included a Rockefeller of course, who else? ?What did Senator Dick Boxlightner have to say about such insanity: ?"What's next, a permit for collecting strawberries off plants in your garden?" ?Little does Senator Boxlightner know that's EXACTLY where they are heading.(16) The Monopolists Want to Control ALL Seed Production . . . Huge monolithic corporations like Monsanto are viciously going after farmers whose crops became genetically modified when the WIND cross-pollinated their crops with the PATENTED (monopolized) crops planted by Monsanto. ?Companies like Monsanto have created, and then deliberately left unidentified, where their test plots of patented crops are growing all across America. ?That way they can know where and who you are, but you cannot protect yourself from them until they claim your crop is contaminated with their patented technology and sue you for illegally using their patented materials. ?In fact, Monsanto has sued so many farmers that there is now a national hotline (1-888-FARMHLP) set up to assist them. Monsanto employees will walk right onto your land without your permission and take samples of your crops off to their labs for investigation, then they'll haul you into court for stealing and not paying for their genetically modified products. ?You will be deliberately ruined financially AND psychologically. ?Your farms that have been in your family for generations will be taken from your by extortion and threat of a mega-lawsuit OR when they win their court suit against you. ?In the legal process they can ruin you financially or psychologically before you ever get your day in court. ?It's happening all across America and Canada. ?Get the picture? ?Educate yourself! If you disbelieve such claims . . . you should watch all the YouTube and Google videos on genetically modified seeds, in particular the ones about Percy Schmeiser, a Canadian farmer. ?Or, you can purchase the DVD by Deborah Koons Garcia titled: ?The Future of Food: ?There's a revolution happening . . . ?Educate yourself about how the One World Monopolists are already working hard to take over ALL seed production via monopolistic patents. FYI . . . The Monopolists ALREADY Control the Seed Production in Iraq Before the U.S. invasion, agriculture in Iraq was the product of centuries of culling and refining heirloom seed collections so that the best seeds suited for a given location, weather, soil and water source were saved and used. ?The war in Iraq conveniently destroyed the country's seed industry, putting the country's domestic food supply at risk. ??????????????L. Paul Bremer, III; aka Lewis Paul Bremer; aka Jerry Bremer ????????May 11, 2003 - June 28, 2004 Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq The solution to the seed problem was solved by U.S. Ambassador Paul Bremer to Iraq when he delivered some 100 written orders for governing Iraq. ?As Administrator of the Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA), Bremer issued the following CPA Order #81 about Iraqi seed production: "Pursuant to my authority as Administrator of the Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) and under the laws and usages of war, and consistent with relevant U.N. Security Council resolutions, including Resolution 1483 and 1511 (2003) . . . Recognizing that companies, lenders and entrepreneurs require a fair, efficient, and predictable environment for protection of their intellectual property, [and] Noting that several provisions of the current Iraqi Patent and Industrial Design Law and related legislation does not meet current internationally-recognized standards of protection, Recognizing the demonstrated interest of the Iraqi Governing Council for Iraq to become a full member in the international trading system, known as the World Trade Organization [WTO], and the desirability of adopting modern intellectual property standards, Acting in a manner consistent with the Report of the Secretary General to the Security Council of July 17, 2003, concerning the need for the development of Iraq and its transition from a non-transparent centrally planned economy to a free market economy characterized by sustainable economic growth through the establishment of a dynamic private sector, and the need to enact institutional and legal reforms to give it effect, . . ."(17) "The important information about Iraqi Order 81 is that it was designed to have a major impact on the way farming is done in Iraq. ?This order prohibits Iraqi farmers from using the methods of agriculture that they have used for centuries. ?The practice of saving seeds from one year to the next is now illegal in Iraq . ?Order 81 wages war on Iraqi farmers. ?They have lost the freedom to choose their own methods of agriculture. ?The legalese in which the orders are written creates confusion about their exact meaning, but the desired result is obvious. ?Order 81 prohibits the farmers from using their own seeds, on their own farms, to grow their own crops."(18) "In the name of agricultural reconstruction this new law deprives Iraqi farmers of their inherent right, exercised for the past 10,000 years in the fertile Mesopotamian arc, to save and replant seeds. ?It enables the penetration of Iraqi agriculture by Monsanto, Syngenta, Bayer, Dow Chemical and other corporate giants that control the global seed trade."(19) How will they enforce such a diabolical order? ?They will probably use 'Terminator Seed' technology to do so. What Exactly ARE 'Terminator Seeds' You Ask? To fully understand the truly 'dark side' of a monopoly, how about using "food as a weapon" as was once declared by Henry Kissinger. ?All food starts with seeds and there is now a patented technology invented by a company called Delta & Pine Land, which is about to be acquired by Monsanto, because they engineered a 'Terminator' seed which cannot be used for the next year's crop because it automatically self-destructs at the end of the growing season. ?How sick is that? In a well researched and documented story you will find a litany of twisted devious financial and political connections concluding with three paragraphs that state: ?"The key scientific member of the Delta & Pine Land board since 1993 has been Dr. Nam-Hai Chua.? Chua, 62, is also head of the Rockefeller University Plant Molecular Biology Laboratory in New York, and has been for over 25 years. ?The labs are at the heart of the Rockefeller tax-exempt Foundation?s decades-long support which has spent more than $100 million of its own research grant funding to create their Gene Revolution." ?Chua heads a laboratory staff of twenty-one predominately Asian workers.(20)(21)(22) ?????????????Rockefeller University - NY Until 1995, Chua was also a scientific consultant to Monsanto Corporation, as well as to DuPont?s Pioneer Hi-Bred International. ?Chua is at the heart of Rockefeller?s Gene Revolution. ?And, clearly, Delta & Pine Land and their research on Terminator [seed] have been in the center of that work."(20)(21) How Did America Become What it is Today? If you think about it . . . by sending our manufacturing base to Mexico or off-shoring to other foreign countries, using H-1B visas and others to insource workers, and while at the same time out-sourcing jobs. ?By doing so, the One World Monopolists (OWM) have FORCED America into becoming global. ?All has been done in the name of 'profits' when in the past we were self-contained and produced all we needed for ourselves and exported our excess around the world. ?Now we are dependent on countries like Communist China, etc., to supply stores like Wal-mart with nearly all its merchandise. ?Thus we have become a de facto global economy without our consent and strident calls for it to stop. ?They are killing America slowly but surely. In fact . . . you will find that the cabal working towards the NAU has gone one step further and created non-profit foundations to develop many of the road and infrastructure projects that are planned under NAFTA 'plus' called the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP). ?This means that NO TAXES will enter the coffers of America's government till. ?Even worse . . . you will find that they are using all manner of federal tax dollars to fund some of the 'non-profit' projects that are already in place. ?Clever by half, wouldn't you say.? Take taxpayer dollars, make money but pay no taxes in return, while America, by default, becomes the North American Union. Are You Angry Yet? ?Have You Any Fear Yet? ?If Not . . . Read On . . . "EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institutions in any undefined national emergency. ?It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months . ?The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation. ?General Frank Salzedo, chief of FEMA's Civil Security Division stated in a 1983 conference that he saw FEMA's role as a 'new frontier in the protection of individual and governmental leaders from assassination, and of civil and military installations from sabotage and/or attack, as well as prevention of dissident groups from gaining access to U.S. opinion, or a global audience in times of crisis'."(23)(24) The Escalating Role of the Military . . . "The Pentagon, as one might expect, plays an even more direct role in martial law operations. ?Title XIV of the new law, entitled, Homeland Defense Technology Transfer Legislative Provisions, authorizes the Secretary of Defense to create a Homeland Defense Technology Transfer Consortium to improve the effectiveness of the Department of Defense (DOD) processes for identifying and deploying relevant DOD technology to federal, State, and local first responders."(4) " In other words, the law facilitates the 'transfer' of the newest in so-called 'crowd control' technology and other weaponry designed to suppress dissent from the Pentagon to local militarized police units. ?The new law builds on and further codifies earlier "technology transfer" agreements, specifically the 1995 DOD-Justice Department memorandum of agreement achieved back during the Clinton-Reno regime."(4)(25) Are You a Border Crosser Listed in the Automated Targeting System (ATS)? "Americans and foreigners crossing U.S. borders since 2002 have been assessed by the Homeland Security Department's computerized Automated Targeting System, or ATS . . . [using an] unannounced assignment of terrorism risk assessments to American international travelers by a computerized system managed from an unmarked, two-story brick building in Northern Virginia."(26) "The travelers [you] are not allowed to see or directly challenge these risk assessments, which the government intends to keep on file for 40 years. ? Some or all data in the system can be shared with state, local and foreign governments for use in hiring, contracting and licensing decisions. ?Courts and even some private contractors can obtain some of the data under certain circumstances."(26) "It is simply incredible that the Bush administration is willing to share this sensitive information with foreign governments and even private employers, while refusing to allow U.S. citizens to see or challenge their own terror scores," Leahy said. ?This system ' highlights the danger of government use of technology to conduct widespread surveillance of our daily lives without proper safeguards for privacy'."(26) ???Secretary of the Air Force - Michael Wynne Some Examples of Military Technology and Tactics Already Being Used On YOU! According to Sec'y of the Air Force Michael Wynne: ?"Nonlethal weapons such as high-power microwave devices should be used on American citizens in crowd-control situations before being used on the battlefield . . . ?The object is basically public relations. ?Domestic use would make it easier to avoid questions from others about possible safety considerations, said Secretary Michael Wynne."(27) What 'others' does he mean? ?We American citizens? ?Certainly not the news media because they are in league with the monopolists! "If we're not willing to use it here against our fellow citizens, then we should not be willing to use it in a wartime situation ," said Wynne. ?"(Because) if I hit somebody with a nonlethal weapon and they claim that it injured them in a way that was not intended, I think that I would be vilified in the world press."(27) Oh, so now we know . . . he is not concerned with complaints from 'We the People' . . . only those in the 'world press.' Lastly . . . ?"The Air Force has paid for research into nonlethal weapons, but he said the service is unlikely to spend more money on development until injury problems are reviewed by medical experts and resolved."(27) That's a backhanded admission that people ARE injured by use of 'non-lethal' weapons. ?Don't you wonder if they will do a five year study to determine if there are any long term effects to being microwaved? ?That's probably not in their plans. ?They could care less about Americans. ?If injury does result in future medical problems they can do what they have always done and deny there was any 'cause and effect' as in 'Agent Orange' or depleted uranium (DU). ?Their only concern is about being 'vilified in the world press'. ?Comforting isn't it? Then there was the school safety drill . . . In Wyoming, Michigan there was a 'school safety drill' that included police officers in riot gear with weapons. "Students, who were unaware police were conducting a drill, were taken from the classroom into the halls, patted down by officers and asked what they had in their pockets . . . ?Officers wore protective gear, including vests and helmets, and carried rifles that were unloaded and marked with colored tape to indicate they were not live weapons . . . "(28) Diana Silva, a parent of an eighth-grade student, said the drill went too far. ?"My child was with his face to the wall in the hallway of the high school . . . ?I certainly don't want anything like this happening to my child."(28) "Principal David Britten said students weren't told ahead of time to make the drill as realistic as possible. ?Teachers were informed moments before it took place , he said. ?"I think this is the best way to do it," [School Principal] Britten said. ?"We're not looking to scare anyone, but we want a sense of urgency."(28) "But Wyoming Police Chief James Carmody said his officers were not aware students and parents were not told. ?He said his department will mandate that parents be notified ahead of time in the future."(28) Just more practice done on the unsuspecting public. ?Children, some of whom "were so scared, they just about wet their pants . . . "(28) Surprise . . . the Military was Ready Even BEFORE the NDAA Bill Was Signed . . . In "April 2002, Defense Dept. officials implemented a plan for domestic U.S. military operations by creating a new U.S. Northern Command (CINC-NORTHCOM) for the continental United States. ?Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld called this 'the most sweeping set of changes since the unified command system was set up in 1946'."(29) "The NORTHCOM commander, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld announced, is responsible for 'homeland defense and also serves as head of the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD)....? He will command U.S. forces that operate within the United States in support of civil authorities. ?The command will provide civil support not only in response to attacks, but for natural disasters'."(29) Take, for instance . . . Hurricane Katrina in Sept. 2005. ?According to the Washington Post: "White House senior adviser Karl Rove told the governor of Louisiana, Kathleen Babineaux Blanco, that she should explore legal options to impose martial law 'or as close as we can get'. ?The White House tried vigorously, but ultimately failed, to compel Gov. Blanco to yield control of the state National Guard."(29) Even then the Bush administration was pushing for martial law. ?Some have said that FEMA's spectacular failure to respond to Katrina resulted from the White House policy to cut back FEMA and head the department with someone totally unqualified for the job was done in order to strengthen the proposal and funding for a military response to disasters. ?Thus the multi-million funding for detention facilities will give substance and support for expanding NORTHCOM's ability to respond to any domestic disorders. The New York Times Chimes in with Their Propaganda: "As criticism of the response to Hurricane Katrina has mounted, one of the most pointed questions has been why more troops were not available more quickly to restore order and offer aid. ?Interviews with officials in Washington and Louisiana show that as the situation grew worse, they were wrangling with questions of federal/state authority, weighing the realities of military logistics and perhaps talking past each other in the crisis."(30) "To seize control of the mission, Mr. Bush would have had to invoke the Insurrection Act , which allows the president in times of unrest to command active-duty forces into the states to perform law enforcement duties. ?But decision makers in Washington felt certain that Ms. Blanco would have resisted surrendering control, as Bush administration officials believe would have been required to deploy active-duty combat forces before law and order had been re-established. "(30) You did notice that it was Ms. Blanco and not Gov. Blanco whose title denotes the right to call out and control the National Guard of her state of Louisiana? ?Subtleties abound when propaganda is concerned. The New York Times article go on to say: ?"At a news conference on Saturday, Mr. Chertoff said, ' The unusual set of challenges of conducting a massive evacuation in the context of a still dangerous flood requires us to basically break the traditional model and create a new model, one for what you might call kind of an ultra-catastrophe'."(30) Chertoff's announcement is actually calling for an end to the 'traditional model' of Posse Comitatus and 'creating a new model' by overriding the Insurrection Act. ?His propaganda has left unsaid the damage that will be inflicted by ending your centuries-old rights and protections. ?Once the 'new model' is law . . . THEN, too late, you will understand that your important Constitutional protections are gone forever. Was FEMA Really Incompetent or Was It ALL About Promoting the Need For Martial Law? Why was FEMA so late, ineffective and accused of dragging their feet, cutting communication lines used by local first responders, turning back truckloads of water and supplies as well as refusing to let volunteer local boat owners, of which there are many in that area of the country, go in and rescue people? ?You don't suppose FEMA's 'problems' were just a really opportune way to promote and get the National Defense Authorization Act of 2007 signed, sealed and delivered?(31) You can find a list of FEMA's blocking of relief efforts with clickable URLs to the source material here: (32) There are many, including this author, who believe that the use of the National Guard to enter and confiscate the lawfully possessed weapons from homeowners in New Orleans after Katrina was simply a 'trial run' to discover how or IF the American citizens would react to such a blatant violation of their Constitutional rights! You can watch the video of the National Guard Confiscating Guns in New Orleans on the Stop the North Ameican Union 'Videos' webpage found here to see how they violated and infringed our 2nd Amendment Constitutional right "to keep and bear Arms." ?Or . . . you can purchase and donate to the NRA at the same time by purchasing their video Never Again! A Shocking Story of Gun Confiscation in America. How did we arrive at this sorry state of affairs? ?There is a solid article written in 1996 titled Mission creep: the militarizing of America. ?Unfortunately, it is not referenced, but it will guide you through the maze of events that brought into being these outrageous rights-stealing new laws.(33) Sadly . . . Karl Rove Got His Desired Martial Law! As part of the John Warner National Defense Authorization Act of 2007, the Pentagon is provided an additional $500 billion plus to enable the president to employ the "Use of the Armed Forces in Major Public Emergencies . . . [such as] interference with State and Federal law . . . the President may employ the armed forces, including the National Guard in Federal service, to restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition in any State or possession of the United States, the President determines that domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of ("refuse" or "fail" in) maintaining public order, "in order to suppress, in any State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy."(4) Once Arrested for 'Insurrection' or 'Domestic Violence' Where Will You Be Incarcerated? "There [are] over 800 prison camps in the United States, all fully operational and ready to receive prisoners. ?They are all staffed and even surrounded by full-time guards, but they are all empty. ?These camps are to be operated by FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) should Martial Law need to be implemented in the United States and all it would take is a presidential signature on a proclamation and the attorney general's signature on a warrant to which a list of names is attached."(23) "The Rex 84 Program was established on the reasoning that if a "mass exodus" of illegal aliens crossed the Mexican/US border, they would be quickly rounded up and detained in detention centers by FEMA. ?Rex 84 allowed many military bases to be closed down and to be turned into prisons."(23) "Operation Cable Splicer and Garden Plot are the two sub programs which will be implemented once the Rex 84 program is initiated for its proper purpose. ?Garden Plot is the program to control the population. ?Cable Splicer is the program for an orderly takeover of the state and local governments by the federal government . ?FEMA is the executive arm of the coming police state and thus will head up all operations. ?The Presidential Executive Orders already listed on the Federal Register also are part of the legal framework for this operation."(23) "The camps all have railroad facilities as well as roads leading to and from the detention facilities. ?Many also have an airport nearby. ?The majority of the camps can house a population of 20,000 prisoners. ?Currently, the largest of these facilities is just outside of Fairbanks, Alaska. ?The Alaskan facility is a massive mental health facility and can hold approximately 2 million people." (23) Kellogg Brown and Root, a Halliburton subsidiary, received a $385 million contract from the Department of Homeland Security to provide "temporary detention and processing capabilities" in January 2006.(34) The Propaganda Is That They Are Being Built For Rounding Up Illegal Aliens . . . It has been REPEATEDLY stated by government sources that it is not "practical or feasible" to deport millions of illegal aliens. ?However, our government apparently has plans to transport millions of Americans across the country and imprison them in concentration camps, or gulags or 'detention centers.' ?For what purpose or reason? ?For more details and locations see "FEMA Concentration Camps: Locations and Executive Orders here, including a word of caution from a Canadian Lady who questions some of the Canadian locations because of weather conditions, not by sightings]: (23)(35) If you live near any of those alleged FEMA camps, it is your civic DUTY as American citizens to go to the locations mentioned in the 'FEMA Concentration Camps' report and determine for yourself, and others, if the report is accurate or not. ?If you find that these locations are not as identified, then you MUST report that to the website and others. ?If they ARE as stated then further their knowledge base with photographs and any other evidence you may obtain. "In September [2005], NORTHCOM conducted its highly classified Granite Shadow exercise in Washington. ?As William Arkin reported in the Washington Post, 'Granite Shadow is yet another new Top Secret and compartmented operation related to the military's extra-legal powers regarding weapons of mass destruction. ?It allows for emergency military operations in the United States without civilian supervision or control'."(29) Still Don't Believe It's True? Then Read This . . . (36) Another Surprise! . . . the SAME DAY that the John Warner NDAA was signed the Army was ready: U.S. Army North, the Army?s newest service component command reached full operational capability Monday, which means that it is fully manned, equipped and ready to assume its mission. As part of Army transformation, USARNORTH was formed to become the dedicated Army service component command to Northern Command, the unified command responsible for defending the homeland and coordinating defense support of civil authorities. Located at Fort Sam Houston, Texas, USARNORTH achieved initial operating capability in September 2005, and is responsible for specific missions, including: Execute homeland defense and defense support of civil authorities missions. Provide training and readiness oversight of certified weapons of mass destruction?[for] civil support teams. Conduct the Army-to-Army portion of the theater cooperation mission with Canada and Mexico. Coordinate the activities of defense coordinating officers and their elements assigned in each Federal Emergency Management Agency region. Organize up to two task forces that, with augmentation, can become joint task forces and deploy within the operational area to command and control Department of Defense forces responding to homeland defense or civil support operations. For the past 12 months, USARNORTH has been building its organization, readiness and mission capability. ?USARNORTH officially assumed the Army component command duties from Forces Command on Oct. 1.(37) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Walterb306 at cs.com Fri Sep 19 12:04:07 2008 From: Walterb306 at cs.com (Walterb306 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:04:07 EDT Subject: [CitizensTruth] ARTICLE- Two Acts of Tyranny Part III Message-ID: All, FYI, Beverley And . . . Where Will the Army Practice its Defense of the Homeland? After all the uproar over the nationwide military base closings under BRAC, the "U.S. Army is eyeing another MILLION ACRES of southeastern Colorado ranch and croplands for additional training grounds for its modernized Army , and landowners who don't want to lose their homesteads could be facing condemnation proceedings. . . ?The protest group said Las Animas County likely will be the most impacted by an army site expansion, and there are 567 farms and ranches with crop sales of $761,000 and livestock sales of more than $20 million that would be endangered."(38) Those that are fighting to keep their land out of the clutches of the military-industrial complex have said: ?"Agriculture is one of the cornerstones of society , even though many people take it for granted, it is very much a national security issue. ?The United States is already dependent on foreign oil, what will happen if we become dependent on foreign countries for our food supplies as well? . . . ?We also hold firm to the belief that our national security relies as much on our efforts to produce food as it does on a good national defense. ?The group said entire towns would be removed from existence, 'except as maybe [those that are useful as] urban warfare training sites'."(38) In a 'dodge' by the military's spokeswoman Karen Edge at the Fort Carson Army Base, it was stated that those concerns were premature. ?'All we've done is identify a training land deficit ,' . . . ?There currently is a moratorium on acquiring more land, so the Army will have to ask the Department of Defense for a waiver, and move forward from there.(38) "Army officials said the base needs to have 'a dynamic, fully integrated battlefield environment' to train soldiers who are able to operation [sic] in smaller units and still control 'significantly greater battle space'." ?This quest for land is in addition to the 234,000 acres currently existing at Fort Carson.(38) To Recap . . . The National Defense Authorization Act of 2007 (NDAA) eliminated Posse Comitatus that once restricted the military from policing duties on American soil and also 'revised' the Insurrection Act. ?As such, the NDAA permits the President to declare MARTIAL LAW and to deploy troops as a police force: ?'during a natural disaster, epidemic, serious public health emergency, terrorist attack, OR OTHER CONDITIONS', when the President determines that the authorities of the state are 'incapable of maintaining public order'. So . . . in a 'nutshell' . . . the NDAA will allow the president to arbitrarily declare a 'public emergency,' call forth the military, take control of state-based National Guard, without the consent of the governor or local authorities, in order to 'suppress public disorder'! Meanwhile the Military Commission Act of 2006 (MCA) which eliminated the writ of habeas corpus means that IF you do not do exactly as the military commands you, YOU can be called an 'unlawful enemy combatant'. ?At which time you will be subjected to a Combatant Status Revue Tribunal or OTHER tribunal which can be formed by the president or the Secretary of Defense. ?Without habeas corpus and its Constitutional safeguards you no longer have a way to end illegal detainment and judicial railroading. ?They can call you an 'unlawful enemy combatant', put you in jail, and throw away the key. ANY declaration of martial law will invoke Executive Orders (EOs) that will permit forced relocations, work camps, detention camps for civilians, and a plethora of other 'lawful orders' . . . that will control of every facet of life in this country down to the finest detail. Just Signed: ?The National Security Presidential Order - NSPD 51 On May 9, 2007 the president signed the National Security Presidential Directive (NSPD) 51 which completes the 'ground work' for nation-wide martial law and a totalitarian police state. ?The One World Monopolists are NOT going to take the chance that we future slaves will be able to thwart them as they go forward with their plans for the NAU, so they have created their 'Ace in the hole'. ?They can now call for martial law at their WHIM. ?Any event that takes place ANYWHERE in the United States can now trigger placing the WHOLE COUNTRY under martial law! ?They have essentially 'covered all their bases' and we are now in dire jeopardy. What the National Security Presidential Directive - NSPD 51 and the Homeland Security Presidential Directive - HSPD-20 have done is CLOSE A LOOP HOLE IN THE NDAA which would have allowed debate, discussion, or demands that an event that happens in California, or some other state, should NOT require martial law in some or ALL other parts of the country. ?This Presidential Directive was written to CLOSE THE GAPS IN THE NDAA! The NSPD 51 directive loosely defines "catastrophic emergency" as "any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions."(39)(40) Under Those Directives, Nationwide Martial Law WOULD have resulted in the past as follows . . . mass casualties affecting the U.S. population = 9/11 mass damage affecting infrastructure = Katrina or 9/11 mass damage affecting environment = Katrina or 9/11 mass disruption severely affecting U.S. economy = Ohio Valley, Mississippi River flooding in few years ago. mass disruption of government functions = Katrina (local government) or 9/11 national gov't . . . which required the emptying the Capitol Bldg, while Cheney is in a bunker and the president is flying all over the country and thus the White House is unmanned and the Pentagon is burning disrupting MILITARY functions which are PART of the government. So . . . if the event happens in Hawaii or Alaska, it doesn't matter, Martial Law will reign across all America. Be afraid America . . . be VERY afraid! Lastly, a peek into your future . . . In the small town of Morristown, TN: ?"The khaki-clad state troopers hup-hupped into formation on opposite sides of the courthouse lawn, wearing riot gear and clutching batons. ?About 100 state and local officers stood on the square this summer, some carrying M-16 rifles. ?They were more than a match for an equal number of mostly middle-aged locals arriving for the anti-illegal immigration rally . ?It was one of the most confounding spectacles this little town of 25,000 had ever seen. ?The only way to step on the lawn between the rows of troopers was through a security checkpoint, surrendering anything that looked like it could be used as a weapon. ?Ted Mitchell and his flag never made it in."(41) "'It's an American flag!' ?Mitchell sputtered. ?You can bring the flag into the rally, a police officer explained, but you have to leave your flag pole. ?Mitchell's face got redder. ?His yelling got louder. ?In an instant the 62-year-old man was scuffling with the police. ?They pushed him to the ground, cuffed him and carted him off in a police car."(41) Just where will they take the future, perhaps MILLIONS of flag waving patriots like Ted Mitchell? ?Watch this video detailing the preparations for the coming gulags or as they are euphemistically known as, 'detention centers' here on the Stop the North American Union (NAU) website's 'Videos' webpage. The Conclusion . . . The goal of the One World Monopolists is to gain total and complete world domination. ?An oligarchy of monied elites who believe they are destined to rule and that you are destined to be ruled. ?They will answer to no one and run the world as they see fit. According to Antony Sutton, a research fellow for the Hoover Institution for War, Revolution, and Peace at Stanford University: ?"While monopoly control of industries was once the objective of J.P. Morgan and J.D. Rockefeller, by the late nineteenth century the inner sanctums of Wall Street understood the most efficient way to gain an unchallenged monopoly was to go political and make society go to work for the monopolists-- under the name of the public good and the public interest."(42) "Frederick C. Howe revealed the strategy of using government in a 1906 book, Confessions of a Monopolist: ?These are the rules of big business . . . ?Get a monopoly; let society work for you; and remember that the best of all business is politics . . . "(42) Are we moving from . . . Freedom to Fascism as the Aaron Russo's documentary video claims? ?You can watch his film which is archived on the Stop the North American Union 'Videos' webpage found here and judge for yourself! The 'Shadow Government' working in plain sight, to create the North American Union using the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP). ?They are well on their way to a One World Monopoly and they have begun their final mad dash to the finish line. The oligarchs have become ever more arrogant and bold. ?They have concluded you are either asleep or brainwashed and propagandized into complacency. ?They are so close to complete conquest that they are now blatantly abusing our Constitution, Bill of Rights and laws in more ways than you can imagine in your wildest of dreams. If the One World Monopolists succeed . . . they will consign us all to a living hell on earth! If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, it expects what never was and never will be. ~ Thomas Jefferson Note 1: All bracketed [ ] notations within the quotes, are added for clarification. Note 2: All underlining, bolding, color and italics within the quotes and elsewhere, are done for emphasis. Note 3: Melvin Sickler, The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) and the Trilateral Commission: The two organizations that run the United States, http://www.prolognet.qc.ca/clyde/cfr.html. 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William Blase, The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) and the New World Order, 1995, conspiracyarchive.com, http://conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Council_Foreign_Relations.htm. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aqmstaffo at mailbag.com Mon Sep 22 01:56:08 2008 From: aqmstaffo at mailbag.com (Daniel Stafford) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 00:56:08 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] It's time for All of us to weigh-in on global economic policy - NOW, before Bush grabs extreme powers over the economy Message-ID: <48D73378.9090702@mailbag.com> All - we need to speak loudly and clearly now, in the pivotal moments of this artificially-induced economic melt-down. I believe that the Fascists have engineered this crisis in order to implement an unprecedented economic power grab. The calls by Democrats and others for oversight and a plan that serves and saves everyday people needs to be supported. If every voice is not raised, there will be unprecedented human suffering as the rich seize anything and everything they wish. The powers that Bush and Paulson are asking to be granted to the treasury, unchecked by the Judiciary, are supposed to be held by Congress, NOT the Executive via a crony appointed by Bush. The risks are grave. Some are even calling this a subtle attempted economic coup to make Bush king for corporatist interests. "*Bush administration seeks 'dictatorial power unreviewable by the third branch of government, the courts' *20 Sep 2008 The Bush administration asked Congress for unchecked power to buy $700 billion in bad mortgage investments from U.S. financial companies in what would be an unprecedented government intrusion into the markets. *The bill would bar courts from reviewing actions taken under its authority*. "It sounds like [Treasury Secretary Henry] *Paulson is asking to be a financial dictator*, for a limited period of time,'' said historian John Steele Gordon, author... The *Bush administration seeks "dictatorial power unreviewable by the third branch of government, the courts*, to try to resolve the crisis,'' said Frank Razzano, a former assistant chief trial attorney at the Securities and Exchange Commission now at Pepper Hamilton LLP in Washington. [See: *Brigade homeland tours start Oct. 1 for deployment during 'civil unrest,' 'horrific scenarios' *08 Sep 2008.]" http://www.opednews.com/articles/A-Resounding-Bottom-Up-NO-by-Rob-Kall-080921-907.html "William Greider | Paulson Bailout Plan a Historic Swindle http://www.truthout.org/article/paulson-bailout-plan-a-historic-swindle William Greider, The Nation: "Financial-market wise guys, who had been seized with fear, are suddenly drunk with hope. They are rallying explosively because they think they have successfully stampeded Washington into accepting the Wall Street Journal solution to the crisis: dump it all on the taxpayers. That is the meaning of the massive bailout Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson has shopped around Congress. It would relieve the major banks and investment firms of their mountainous rotten assets and make the public swallow their losses - many hundreds of billions, maybe much more. What's not to like if you are a financial titan threatened with extinction?" There are more, I couldn't begin to list them all. We have all seen what Bush does when granted power. He mis-manages in ways that harm and kill people he and his crowd do not like. He disappears people that speak out against his methods and policies. He threatens anyone and everyone that even hints at getting in his way. He has a family history of supporting fascism going back to his grandfather working with the Nazis. Note that the definition of fascism is corporate control of the government. The U.S. is inches away from this. Do we want the trans-national corporations to have control of the U.S. purse? I think not. Nothing Bush and the people around him have done have been for the common man, they have all been for various corporate interests that stand to gain everything while the rest of us lose everything, even our basic freedoms. We would be far better off to see an independent commission - truly independent of industry or political party - filled with experts in both economics and social policy and overseen by Congress and the Courts running any economic relief efforts, rather than handing such duties over to a Bush appointee. I would suggest an immediate call for submissions focussed upon this issue, while there are a few moments left to speak up. Petitions such as this one pasted below should be immediately distributed to all US Citizens on all of our lists. If the People do not speak now, they may never have another chance. Regards, Dan Stafford Subject: No blank check for Wall Street. Dear Friend, Congress is on the brink of making a one-sided deal to give George W. Bush a blank check to bail out his pals - offering nearly (or perhaps more than) a trillion taxpayer dollars to Wall Street to cover its bad debts. That works out to somewhere between $2000 and $5000 from every American family. So what do the taxpayers get in return? Nothing. No new regulation or oversight to help avoid this kind of crisis in the future. No public interest givebacks to help people whose homes are in the hands of the banks. Perhaps most shockingly of all, the taxpayers get absolutely no share in the profits if and when these finance giants bounce back, even though we are now assuming a great deal of the risk. *This is worse than a bad deal - this isn't a deal at all. This is a blank check to some of the richest companies in the world.* I just signed a petition calling on key members of Congress to impose a few sensible conditions to this bailout in order to protect the American people -- I hope you will too. Please have a look and take action. http://act.credoaction.com/campaign/no_blank_check/?r_by=-76391-IelSC.x&rc=paste Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aqmstaffo at mailbag.com Mon Sep 22 03:07:14 2008 From: aqmstaffo at mailbag.com (Daniel Stafford) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 02:07:14 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] In Designing Their New Economic Ship Of State, Corporations Forgot What Fuels Economies - The Gas Tank Is Dry Message-ID: <48D74422.7020001@mailbag.com> *In Designing Their New Economic Ship Of State, Corporations Forgot What Fuels Economies - The Gas Tank Is Dry* Dan Stafford - 09/22/2008 No economy works if the majority of the populace can't afford to buy anything. This should be simple and basic. If wages are too low, and costs too high, across a broad spectrum of the population , economic activity stops. The rich will only buy so many items, being one % of the population, or so, they are not enough to "fuel" a global economy. Right now, housing prices, fuel prices, insurance prices, and myriad other prices have risen continuously while wages have stagnated or even fallen precipitously across the USA. The true numbers are completely unreflected in government statistics which either use outdated or arbitrary numbers designed to minimize the scope of the problem. The world wonders at the precipitous use of credit cards and large mortgages in the USA and fails to understand why this has happened, because only so-called "fringe" voices haved dared to speak the truth; wages in the USA are worth half what they were in the 1950's and Americans have been buying NECESSITIES on credit because of it. In the 1950's, one person in the family worked, and one person stayed home to take card of the children and the home, yet credit use was low and the bills were generally paid with a little left over for savings. Now, in many US families, BOTH parents work, often multiple jobs, and there is still not enough money coming in to meet expenses. Or, more properly, that was the case up until the past few years. Now, at this moment, many are unable to find jobs either at all, or jobs that pay anything near what they used to. Americans are forced to commute great distances for work, as offices and jobs are in the city, and housing that is even close to being affordable is far out in the suburbs. Add to this companies constantly laying people off, while forcing the remaining employees to take on ever greater responsibilities. The vast majority of Americans work long hours, commute at least an hour and more often two, and are stressed at work by the sheer load on their shoulders and at home by the financial burden on their shoulders. They face endemic chronic sleep shortages, most average six hours a day. Between the stress and the unhealthy lack of sleep, combined with junk additives to almost all food, obesity has become rampant. Stress and sleeplessness messes badly with the human metabolism and increases appetite. In addition, most US workers see the shortest vacation times in the "First World." The average American is exhausted physically, emotionally, spiritually, and financially. This is true of a very large swath of the US population. They come home from work and drop into a chair and watch TV because they are too broke and tired to do much else. They get no time for creativity or play or in-depth relationships. They have no energy left for "bad news" because they are worn out and bombarded with it on TV. The scale of this is vast - and by the great majority un-admitted. Being a "hard worker" has become so over-valued at the expense of feeding anything that truly recharges the soul, that people have come to see anyone gone from the office for more than two weeks at a time as a "slacker" and eccentric. Is this any state of mind or soul to be in to make sound financial decisions, to make in-depth discussions of difficult or complex topics, or anything else of value? I don't believe so. We have become a nation of workaholics, and worse, no one could - until now at the card house's collapse - admit that we couldn't afford even all the necessities, let alone the luxuries. Materialism then becomes the easy way for a brief emotional high. The new TV or car or clothes or whatever. "We can afford it, we have a great credit rating! Let's get out and have a nice dinner, I'm starving [stress-induced hunger pangs] and too tired to cook!" --------------------------------- If you want people to continue purchasing goods and services at a sustainable rate and an economy that hums along fairly smoothly, people need to be fairly well-rested and happy, and have a bit of money left over after basic expenses across the majority of the population. If you want to make a few hundred million before the crash, or the next crash, or the next, give them lots of credit and not enough money, with plenty of stress and just enough sleep to stay alive but not truly live. They won't be thinking straight and impulse buying is pitifully easy to encourage. They certainly won't tell their friends and family that they can't afford the wedding/anniversary/graduation/birthday/holiday/ insert event that you can't avoid without appearing not to care about someone. Economically speaking, do you drive a fuel-efficient car across the country, or do you run a dragster with a tiny gas tank and a big engine until you're on the side of the road on empty? Maybe we should all sleep on it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com Mon Sep 22 15:31:19 2008 From: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com (Geri Perry) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:31:19 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] [Fwd: Mortgages and the Meltdown] Message-ID: <48D7F287.5030508@thetwofacesofmoney.com> -------- Original Message -------- From our friend John Wilson in Australia...Virginia Dear Fellow Australians and Our Friends in the USA, "MELTDOWN".... a nuclear meltdown is a term for a severe nuclear reactor accident which poisons the environment with lethal and mutagenic radiation. The present financial crisis is called a "meltdown"...and it's most appropriate....however, I do not believe there is anything "accidental" about it. This "meltdown" is directly attributable to the fraudulent and sinister practices of the Banks -in the same way that a nuclear meltdown is a result of faulty design, construction and method of operating. Banksters worldwide have been allowed to get away with systematic theft on a scale that is beyond imagination....and, now, it is entering the next phase. Judges are equally to blame because Judges condone and conceal the theft. When one honest Judge, Martin V. Mahoney, exposed the "money out of thin air" scam with the "Credit River Decision 1968", he was murdered. The "Money Masters" video exposed the scam of "Fractional Reserve Banking", years ago...but the US Congress cover it up. When I present evidence of this fraud to Australian Judges, they disregard it and convict me without Trial by Jury. Here is one of the latest reports on the subject: " By the end of 2007, Lehman Brothers had $700 billion in assets against a capital reserve of only $23 billion. In other words, they were "leveraged" 30 to 1 by borrowing, a number so high that it deserves to be called nothing short of reckless. When their assets stopped earning the expected income because of mortgage defaults, they started having difficulties paying back their liabilities. Finally, the "short-sellers", sensing that these institutions were in trouble, drove their stock prices down to ridiculously low levels". News out of the USA is that a $700 billion "Bail Out" will be paid for by the American People and delivered to the Banks by the US President. Of course, this will do nothing more than give Bank C.E.O.s multi-million dollar retirements and the "meltdown" will escalate with the American People going further into debt to the I.M.F. Another proposal is to "freeze" foreclosures....not a cancellation...just a short-term restbite so that the Robber barons can come back later and steal the homes of the victims. _What is needed_ is what was done in Australia by King O'Malley (1858 - 1953) to create a National Bank, ie: the original Commonwealth Bank of Australia..... http://cecaust.com.au/election/Commonwealth%20Bank.pdf to break the stranglehold of the World Bank and put an end to its "Drive for World Control" (Jeremy Lee). The _only_ RESCUE OPERATION is to seize control of money away from the private Banks, eg: the Federal Reserve Bank. There is no shortage of honest, intelligent and capable economists to do this. ...but, will the Banksters allow it??? The Banksters know that this "meltdown" will make them more powerful and more wealthy. Where are the PEOPLE'S GRAND JURIES to indict the criminals? Yours sincerely, John Wilson. __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls To post a message to the entire group send email to: Total911TruthNOW at yahoogroups.com To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Total911TruthNOW To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Total911TruthNOW-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity * 1 New Members Visit Your Group Yahoo! News Odd News You won't believe it, but it's true Dog Zone on Yahoo! Groups Join a Group all about dogs. Food Lovers Real Food Group on Yahoo! Groups find out more. . __,_._,___ From geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com Mon Sep 22 15:41:53 2008 From: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com (Geri Perry) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:41:53 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] What was the Real reason behind Eliot Spitzer Political Assassination, and did it have anything to do with the current crisis? Message-ID: <48D7F501.5000005@thetwofacesofmoney.com> HMMM, maybe there's something to this: http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/291.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/13/AR2008021302783.html NOW, here is an interesting analysis of the current proposal: http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/587-The-Mother-Of-All-Frauds.html /One element of proposal: / /TO PURCHASE MORTGAGE-RELATED ASSETS/ /Sec. 8. Review./ /Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and /*/may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency./*** From aqmstaffo at mailbag.com Mon Sep 22 16:01:41 2008 From: aqmstaffo at mailbag.com (Daniel Stafford) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:01:41 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Illinois PIRG: Throw the next strike against the credit card companies In-Reply-To: <20080922-12241191-da8-0@carson.publicinterestnetwork.org> References: <20080922-12241191-da8-0@carson.publicinterestnetwork.org> Message-ID: <48D7F9A5.7040505@mailbag.com> Brian Imus, Illinois PIRG State Director wrote: > Hi Daniel, > > Until this year, the banks had never lost a vote. But they lost a key committee vote on the tough Credit Cardholders Bill of Rights. The bill would make their worst practices illegal. That vote was strike one. > > And thanks to your e-mails last week, Speaker Pelosi has agreed to schedule a historic floor vote on the Credit Cardholders Bill of Rights for this week -- before Congress leaves for campaign trail. > > Your call to your representative could be strike two. > > http://www.uspirg.org/action/credit-cards/pass-the-bill-of-rights?id4=ES > > Every once in a while, when a vote is imminent and expected to be close, we ask you to go the extra mile and call Congress. This is one of those times. > > Your representative needs to hear from you today, because he or she is already hearing from the credit card companies -- and they hate to lose. > > But the tide is turning. Take the editorial in last week's New York Times. "For all of these candidates who keep talking about helping the ordinary American, this should be an easy one. Get behind the Credit Cardholders' Bill of Rights now, before the election." > > Your calls could be the extra push that Congress needs. > > It's time to throw strike two and pass the Credit Cardholders' Bill of Rights through the U.S. House. > > We'll walk you through how to do it on our Web site: > > http://www.uspirg.org/action/credit-cards/pass-the-bill-of-rights?id4=ES > > Thanks in advance for taking action. > > > Sincerely, > > Brian Imus > Illinois PIRG State Director > BrianI at illinoispirg.org > http://www.IllinoisPIRG.org > > P.S. Thanks again for your support. Please feel free to share this e-mail with your family and friends. > > ---------- > > > > > > From hal at drxyzzy.org Mon Sep 22 19:50:24 2008 From: hal at drxyzzy.org (Hal Snyder) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 18:50:24 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Illinois PIRG: Throw the next strike against the credit card companies In-Reply-To: <48D7F9A5.7040505@mailbag.com> References: <20080922-12241191-da8-0@carson.publicinterestnetwork.org> <48D7F9A5.7040505@mailbag.com> Message-ID: <270246D8-2AD1-4FB7-8C96-B0C38FC61596@drxyzzy.org> I phoned Melissa Bean's office (IL-08). The person who answered would not give her name, said only she was a staffer. Tthe staffer checked and said Melissa Bean had voted for HR 5244 in committee and plans to support it. Melissa Bean is on the Subcommittee on Financial Institutions and Consumer Credit. I found this when searching for more information. = Congress helps the credit card companies roll their own customers = The Credit Cardholder Bill of Rights passed committee as stated in the PIRG email. On Sep 22, 2008, at 3:01 PM, Daniel Stafford wrote: > Brian Imus, Illinois PIRG State Director wrote: >> Hi Daniel, >> >> Until this year, the banks had never lost a vote. But they lost a >> key committee vote on the tough Credit Cardholders Bill of Rights. >> The bill would make their worst practices illegal. That vote was >> strike one. >> >> And thanks to your e-mails last week, Speaker Pelosi has agreed to >> schedule a historic floor vote on the Credit Cardholders Bill of >> Rights for this week -- before Congress leaves for campaign trail. >> >> Your call to your representative could be strike two. >> http://www.uspirg.org/action/credit-cards/pass-the-bill-of-rights? >> id4=ES >> >> Every once in a while, when a vote is imminent and expected to be >> close, we ask you to go the extra mile and call Congress. This is >> one of those times. >> Your representative needs to hear from you today, because he or >> she is already hearing from the credit card companies -- and they >> hate to lose. >> But the tide is turning. Take the editorial in last week's New >> York Times. "For all of these candidates who keep talking about >> helping the ordinary American, this should be an easy one. Get >> behind the Credit Cardholders' Bill of Rights now, before the >> election." >> >> Your calls could be the extra push that Congress needs. >> It's time to throw strike two and pass the Credit Cardholders' >> Bill of Rights through the U.S. House. >> >> We'll walk you through how to do it on our Web site: >> http://www.uspirg.org/action/credit-cards/pass-the-bill-of-rights? >> id4=ES >> >> Thanks in advance for taking action. >> >> Sincerely, >> Brian Imus >> Illinois PIRG State Director >> BrianI at illinoispirg.org >> http://www.IllinoisPIRG.org >> From edward_rynearson at yahoo.com Tue Sep 23 01:14:01 2008 From: edward_rynearson at yahoo.com (Edward Rynearson) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 22:14:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CitizensTruth] Alex Jones interviews Jim Marrs Message-ID: <406310.36092.qm@web30005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Alex Jones talks to Jim Marrs on the Sunday Edition of the Alex Jones Show about the genesis of the Nazis and just how far the Bush (crime) family rabbit hole goes. http://www.radiodujour.com/people/marrs_jim/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A Week of Deepening Financial Crisis Two of the four largest independent investment banks in the U.S. ceased to exist last week. In a matter of hours, Lehman Brothers went bankrupt, while Merrill Lynch was forced into liquidation and then absorbed by Bank of America. This follows the government-promoted buyout in April of Bear Stearns, another giant investment banking firm that was on the ropes, by JPMorgan Chase. It was only several weeks ago that the U.S. government had taken over the two major and failing mortgage-finance giants?Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. At the time, this takeover was presented as providing an effective firewall against future financial eruptions. But it proved to be no more than the patching up of a pothole during an earthquake. This past week the government had to take over the American International Group (AIG), the giant insurance-financial firm. At the start of last week, AIG had over a trillion dollars in assets. It had earned enormous profits from insuring mortgage-backed investments circulating in the financial system that were held by other banks. But this has turned into a disaster. Here is some of what happened: Through deceit and aggressive marketing, banks pushed mortgages on people. The Federal Reserve Bank had pumped low-cost funds into the banking system to prop up mortgage loans. These loans were then combined into larger groups of loans by investment banks (like Lehman Brothers) and turned into financial products that were sold on financial markets. All kinds of lending took place with these original loans as collateral. But when housing prices fell, and mortgages could not be paid, much of this collateral became worthless. AIG was insuring much of this lending against the risk of loss. But as the losses mounted astronomically, AIG could neither cover the costs of backing this debt nor borrow funds on the financial markets to keep itself afloat. The financial markets had basically lost confidence, and AIG?s assets tumbled in value. AIG was in danger of collapse. But if AIG went under, the probability was great that it would have taken down other financial institutions with it. This forced the government?s hand. As the week progressed, the U.S. ruling class was faced with a two-fold danger: additional and cascading losses and bankruptcies in the financial sector; and the possible choking up of lending channels, which could send the economy as a whole into a rapid downward spiral. By the end of the week, the U.S. government announced what will likely turn out to be the largest bailout operation in U.S. history. The initial cost of that bailout plan is $700 billion. This comes on top of $85 billion to rescue AIG and the plan to spend $200 billion to shore up Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. International Dimensions This is a rolling financial and credit crisis. It is amplifying internationally with bursts of instability. In the midst of last week?s U.S. market gyrations, the Russian stock market sank and shut down for two days. In other parts of the world, concern spread about whether dollar-based loans in global markets would continue on the scale necessary to sustain daily business operations. In response, the central banks of Germany, Japan, England, Canada, and Switzerland pumped some $185 billion into the financial markets. And investor worry is mounting in East Asia. China, Japan, and South Korea, for instance, count on the U.S. as a major export market. One of the most significant features of world growth and expansion over the past decade has been the deepening integration of the world capitalist economy. This is happening both on the level of production and trade?like the parts that go into an automobile being manufactured in different factories around the world. And it is happening at the level of finance?where banks are more globally and tightly interlinked with one another through chains of borrowing and lending and even, as in the case of AIG, insuring the risks of borrowing and lending. The rescue operation announced by the U.S. government at the end of the week was motivated, on the one hand, by the need to stanch the bleeding of the U.S. financial system; and, on the other, by the need to restore international confidence in the U.S. economy. A particular matter of concern for U.S. rulers is the international strength of the dollar. When we think about the dollar, we mostly think about it in terms of buying and selling with dollars changing hands. But the dollar is also an investible commodity?major currencies are bought and sold and traded on international currency markets. The dollar rises and falls in value in relation to other currencies and in response to international political and economic developments. The dollar is the world?s leading currency for settling transactions, clearing debts, and holding foreign exchange reserves (trade and investment earnings that become part of the reserves of foreign central banks). The dollar has been a linchpin of U.S. global supremacy. And it is a linchpin of the whole current global economic order. If foreign central banks and investors were to flee from dollar holdings, this could set off a global monetary crisis and/or strengthen the position of rivals to U.S. imperialism and rival currencies (like the euro in Western Europe). The dollar has for the most part held firm over the past month. But this is perhaps the calm before the storm. Uncharted Waters and the Needs of Empire These are uncharted waters for imperialist policymakers. They are uncharted in terms of the scale and complexity of the crisis. They are uncharted in terms of the magnitude of the rescue operations required to prevent financial breakdown. And U.S. imperialism does not have unlimited maneuvering room. The U.S. is already the largest debtor nation in the world. It is waging costly wars for greater empire in Iraq and Afghanistan. And neither McCain nor Obama has any serious intention of ending America?s global ?war on terror??the umbrella under which the U.S. is waging these ?wars for empire.? And here an important dialectic comes into play. ?U.S. military dominance,? to quote Kenneth Rogoff, the former chief economist for the International Monetary Fund, ?has been one of the linchpins of the dollar.?(Kenneth Rogoff, ?America Will Need a $1,000bn Bail-Out,? Financial Times, September 17, 2008). But this military dominance and the wars the U.S. is waging have increasingly come to depend on the steady inflow of foreign capital into the U.S. economy, especially investments by foreign central banks in U.S. government debt (the U.S. Treasury sells bonds to cover the deficits). For this to continue requires that the U.S. economy and dollar remain stable. This is a major contradiction for U.S. imperialism. When three of the five largest independent investment banks in the United States have gone bankrupt or been absorbed, when the U.S. government intervenes in the financial sector on the scale that it has?this has profound geopolitical implications. At the same time, the world economy is not standing still. There are major shifts in global economic power. U.S. global economic dominance is declining. And U.S. imperialism is also facing new competitive challenges and the emergence of potential rival constellations of imperial and big powers (see the ongoing Revolution series ?Shifts and Faultlines in the World Economy and Great Power Rivalry?). The U.S. Ruling Class and Imperialist State Come Into View As the crisis unfolded this past week, some of the realities of bourgeois rule came into sharper focus. To begin with, while the jobs, homes, and futures of literally millions in this society are in jeopardy, what is the paramount concern of the ruling class? It is the protection of a financial system that sits atop a global system of exploitation. It is the bailout of the owners and investor beneficiaries of that financial system. There was no public debate over bailouts and loans for financial institutions. And the constant refrain from on-high was, ?This is no time to assign blame.? Certainly, there is never a time, from the standpoint of the bourgeoisie, to talk about capitalism and its exploitative and anarchic functioning. Politically, the system operates in such a way that the masses of people are either conditioned to be passive bystanders, or mobilized under the wing of this or that bourgeois political party or bourgeois-led movement?or subject to repression when people engage in serious resistance. And through the media, the politicians, and the official ?experts,? people are trained to look at things through a certain ideological filter. When a crisis like this one hits, the problem is never presented as the system but rather as particular flaws and malpractices that can be corrected: ?excessive greed,? ?Wall Street irresponsibility,? ?too much regulation? or ?too little regulation.? The truth is that this crisis has deep structural causes in the very nature and workings of this global system of exploitation (and these deeper causes are addressed in the accompanying article ?Financial Meltdown and the Madness of Imperialism?). Lenin once described bourgeois parliaments (like the U.S. Congress) as ?talk shops.? This time, Congress did not even get a chance to ?talk? first. It has been basically presented with an accomplished fact: a bailout program. Now the bailout will be debated around the edges, with vying bourgeois economic and political interests also being fought out. There are key institutional mechanisms of bourgeois rule and of the imperialist state. They include the Federal Reserve Bank?which plays a decisive regulating and lubricating role in the U.S. economy and which also plays a special role in the world capitalist economy?and the Department of Treasury. Several mainstream news stories described how the head of the Federal Reserve and of the Treasury, and major Wall Street figures, met to sort out the AIG situation, to come up with a plan to deal with this phase of the crisis, and then to act on it. As for John McCain and Barack Obama, one of whom will be the next ?commander in chief of empire,? their response to the crisis has been an amalgam of the absurd, the hypocritical, and sworn allegiance to the system. McCain early last week described the U.S. economy as having ?sound fundamentals.? Then he moved to launch a rhetorical attack on ?casino economies? and ?greed? on Wall Street. Then he returned to his boilerplate calls for tax cuts, which will largely benefit the rich. For his part, Obama has generally endorsed bailouts while deriding the policies of laxity and deregulation of the Bush presidency. The amnesia is striking. There was an orgy of deregulation during the Clinton years, including the repeal of regulatory legislation that laid the ground for the kind of mortgage-backed securities that became the rage on Wall Street. But then again, one of Obama?s chief economic advisers is none other than Robert Rubin, former chairman of Goldman Sachs (one of the last-standing independent investment banks) and head of the U.S. Treasury Department under Clinton. Meanwhile, in Nevada last week, Obama declared, ?Our free market is the engine of America?s great progress. It?s a market that has created a prosperity that is the envy of the world.? Tell that to the hundreds of millions around the world who are experiencing the ravages of a global food crisis. This food crisis is inextricably bound up with the operations of free markets that turn grain and rice into international commodities bought, sold, and speculated on by global investors. It is inextricably bound up with the ?freedom? of U.S. agribusiness to dominate world food production and distribution. And it is inextricably bound up with so-called free-market ?reforms? imposed on poor countries by the International Monetary Fund (which the U.S. also dominates). Stepping Back This crisis is far from over. There may be new rounds of financial upheaval. The economy is already in recession. And it could very well enter into a major slump. And true to the workings of monopoly capitalism, investors and speculators are feverishly positioning themselves to take advantage of the market turmoil. They are unloading and grabbing up assets, angling to get a bite of the government bailouts, and shifting funds into different markets. Whoever wins the election in November will be inheriting a battered financial system and a huge overlay of debt and bailout. This is not going to be an era of expanded social spending by government. But it will be an era of more direct government intervention in financial markets. And however U.S. capitalism tries to reconfigure itself, it will rest on more intense international exploitation, austerity, and more misery for people throughout the world and in the U.S. For millions in U.S. society, this crisis is beginning to throw up many deep and troubling questions about the economy and this whole system. And it has the potential to throw up even deeper ones. This is a highly fraught and rapidly unfolding situation. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <070A8E0BFC2D1247836B35EB8F6424291AFEE7EA@EVS3.ams.gblxint.com> References: <070A8E0BFC2D1247836B35EB8F6424291AFEE7EA@EVS3.ams.gblxint.com> Message-ID: <48D9061D.1020306@mailbag.com> Rumors on the right - no idea how valid. - DS Stafford, Daniel wrote: > > *From:* Gutzwiller, James > *Sent:* Monday, September 22, 2008 1:21 PM > *To:* Stafford, Daniel; PLGutzwiller1 at aol.com > *Cc:* j.gutzwiller at att.net; sakhara at aol.com; gutzy2004 at aol.com > *Subject:* FW: DNC To Announce Hillary Clinton VP Nominee - Replacing > Biden Due to Heal... > > > > > > > > *From:* Doroba, Bruce > *Sent:* Monday, September 22, 2008 1:15 PM > *To:* Gutzwiller, James > *Subject:* FW: DNC To Announce Hillary Clinton VP Nominee - Replacing > Biden Due to Heal... > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* dkcjohnson at aol.com [mailto:dkcjohnson at aol.com] > *Sent:* Monday, September 22, 2008 12:16 AM > *To:* michael at hmb3inc.com; mrhutcher at aol.com; maloys at hotmail.com > *Subject:* Fwd: DNC To Announce Hillary Clinton VP Nominee - Replacing > Biden Due to Heal... > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: GOONGAE at aol.com > To: DKCJOHNSON at aol.com > Sent: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:58 pm > Subject: Fwd: DNC To Announce Hillary Clinton VP Nominee - Replacing > Biden Due to Heal... > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? > Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and > calculators > . > > Attached Message > > From: > > > > Michael Szarzynski > > Subject: > > > > DNC To Announce Hillary Clinton VP Nominee - Replacing Biden Due > toHealth Problems > > Date: > > > > Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:31:08 -0400 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > I found this to be very interesting.....but wonder if its true. > > Snopes says it's undetermined so, why not forward it and scare the > hell out of everyone even more so than we are today already... > > Edited by author 09-18-2008 09:46 AM > Jan received the following and we were wondering if anyone else has > seen this piece and, if so, do you think there is any truth to it? > > On or about October 5th, Biden will excuse himself from the ticket, citing > health problems, and he will be replaced by Hillary. This is timed to > occur > after the VP debate on 10/2. > > There have been talks all weekend about how to proceed with this info. > Generally, the feeling is that we should all go ahead and get it out there > to as many blog sites and personal email lists as is possible. I have > already seen a few short blurbs about this - the 'health problem' cited in > those articles was aneurysm. Probably many of you have heard the same > rumblings. > > However, at this point, with this inside info from the DNC, it looks like > this Obama strategy will be a go. Therefore, it seems that the best > strategy is to get out in front of this Obama maneuver, spell it out in > detail, and thereby expose it for the grand manipulation that it is. > > So, let's start mixing this one up and cut the Obamites off at the pass - > send this info out to as many people as you can. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Want to do more with Windows Live? 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Apparently our academic legal professionals are in agreement with this opinion, or purported to be. - Dan Carol Wolman wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* KarimAG > *Sent:* Monday, September 22, 2008 6:46 PM > *Subject:* The Bush Administration Is an Ongoing Criminal Conspiracy > Under International Law and U.S. Domestic Law* > > Bush Administration Is Ongoing Criminal Conspiracy under > International/US Criminal Law > > > > > > *Francis A. Boyle* > > *Law Building* > > *504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.* > > *Champaign, IL 61820 USA* > > *217-333-7954 (Voice)* > > *217-244-1478 (Fax)* > > *(personal comments only)* > > > > > > > > The Bush Administration Is an Ongoing Criminal Conspiracy Under > International Law and U.S. Domestic Law* > > by > > Francis A. Boyle > > Justice Robert H. Jackson Conference: Planning for the Prosecution of > High Level American War Criminals > > > > > > Massachusetts Law School > > September 13-14, 2008 > > Andover, Massachusetts > > > > > > > > > > > > *Check against oral delivery. > > > > > > ?2008 by Francis A. Boyle. All rights reserved. > > > > > > > > > > Since the impeachable installation of George W. Bush as President in > January of 2001 by the U.S. Supreme Court's Gang of Five, the peoples > of the world have witnessed a government in the United States that has > demonstrated little if any respect for fundamental considerations of > international law, human rights, and the United States Constitution. > What the world has watched instead is a comprehensive and malicious > assault upon the integrity of the international and domestic legal > orders by a group of men and women who are thoroughly Machiavellian > and Straussian in their perception of international relations and in > their conduct of both foreign policy and domestic affairs. Even more > seriously, in many instances specific components of the Bush > administration's foreign policies constitute ongoing criminal activity > under well-recognized principles of both international law and U.S. > domestic law, and in particular the Nuremberg Charter, the Nuremberg > Judgment, and the Nuremberg Principles, as well as the Pentagon's own > U.S. Army Field Manual 27-10 on /The Law of Land Warfare /(1956), all > of/ /which apply to President Bush himself as Commander-in-Chief of > United States Armed Forces under Article II, Section 2 of the United > States Constitution. > > Depending upon the substantive issues involved, those international > crimes typically include but are not limited to the Nuremberg offenses > of crimes against peace: For example, Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, and > perhaps their longstanding threatened wars of aggression against Iran > and now Pakistan. Their criminal responsibility also concerns > Nuremberg crimes against humanity and war crimes as well as grave > breaches of the Four Geneva Conventions of 1949 and of the 1907 Hague > Regulations on land warfare: For example, torture at Guantanamo, > Bhagram, Abu Ghraib, and elsewhere; enforced disappearances, > assassinations, murders, kidnappings, extraordinary renditions, "shock > and awe," depleted uranium, white phosphorous, cluster bombs, > Fallujah, and the Gitmo kangaroo courts. > > Furthermore, various members of the Bush administration have committed > numerous inchoate crimes incidental to these substantive offences that > under the Nuremberg Charter, Judgment, and Principles as well as > paragraph 500 of U.S. Army Field Manual 27-10 are international crimes > in their own right: planning and preparation---which they are > currently doing today against Iran and Pakistan---solicitation, > incitement, conspiracy, complicity, attempt, aiding and abetting. > > Finally, according to basic principles of international criminal law > set forth in paragraph 501 of U.S. Army Field Manual 27-10, all high > level civilian officials and military officers in the U.S. government > who either knew or should have known that soldiers or civilians under > their control (such as the C.I.A. or private contractors), committed > or were about to commit international crimes and failed to take the > measures necessary to stop them, or to punish them, or both, are > likewise personally responsible for the commission of international > crimes. > > At the very top of America's criminal chain-of-command are President > Bush and Vice-President Cheney; former U.S. Secretary of Defense > Rumsfeld; Rumsfeld's Deputy Paul Wolfowitz; Secretary of State Rice; > former Director of National Intelligence Negroponte; National Security > Advisor Hadley; his Deputy Elliot Abrams; former U.S. Attorneys > General Ashcroft and Gonzales, criminally responsible for the torture > campaign launched by the Bush Jr. administration; and the Pentagon's > Joint Chiefs of Staffs along with the appropriate Regional > Commanders-in-Chief, especially for U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM). > > These U.S. government officials and their immediate subordinates are > responsible for the commission of crimes against peace, crimes against > humanity, and war crimes as specified by the Nuremberg Charter, > Judgment, and Principles as well as by U.S. Army Field Manual 27-10. > Today in international legal terms, the Bush Jr. administration itself > should now be viewed as constituting an ongoing criminal conspiracy > under international criminal law and U.S. domestic law because of its > formulation and undertaking of serial wars of aggression, crimes > against peace, crimes against humanity, and war crimes in violation of > the Nuremberg Charter, Judgment, and Principles that are legally akin > to those perpetrated by the former Nazi regime in Germany. > > Of course the terrible irony of today's situation is that six decades > ago at Nuremberg the U.S. government participated in the prosecution, > punishment and execution of Nazi government officials for committing > some of the same types of heinous international crimes that the > members of the Bush administration currently inflict upon people all > over the world. To be sure, I personally oppose the imposition of > capital punishment upon any human being for any reason no matter how > monstrous their crimes, whether they be Bush Jr., Tony Blair, or > Saddam Hussein. > > As a consequence, American citizens possess the basic right under > international law and United States domestic law, including the U.S. > Constitution, to engage in acts of civil resistance designed to > prevent, impede, thwart, or terminate ongoing criminal activities > perpetrated by Bush administration officials in their conduct of > foreign affairs policies and military operations purported to relate > to defense and counter-terrorism. Today's civil resisters are the > sheriffs! The Bush administration officials are the outlaws! > > We American citizens must reaffirm our commitment to the > Nuremberg Charter, Judgment, and Principles by holding our government > officials fully accountable under international law and U.S. domestic > law for the commission of such grievous international and domestic > crimes. We must not permit any aspect of our foreign affairs and > defense policies to be conducted by acknowledged "war criminals" > according to the U.S. government's own official definitions of that > term as set forth in the Nuremberg Charter, Judgment, and Principles, > U.S. Army Field Manual 27-10, the U.S. War Crimes Act, the Four Geneva > Conventions and the Hague Regulations. The American people must > insist upon the impeachment, dismissal, resignation, indictment, > conviction, and long-term incarceration of all U.S. government > officials guilty of such heinous international and domestic crimes. > If not so restrained, the Bush administration could very well > precipitate a Third World War. > > In this regard, during the course of an October 17, 2007 press > conference, President Bush Jr. terrorized the entire world with the > threat of World War III if he could not work his illegal will upon > Iran. It is my opinion that the Bush administration is fully prepared > to use tactical nuclear weapons against Muslim and Arab states and > peoples in order to break the taboo of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. After > the terrible tragedy of September 11, 2001 the United States of > America has vilified and demonized Muslims and Arabs almost to the > same extent that America inflicted upon the Japanese and Japanese > Americans after Pearl Harbor. As the Nazis had previously > demonstrated with respect to the Jews, a government must first > dehumanize and scapegoat a race of people before its citizens will > tolerate if not approve their elimination: witness Hiroshima and > Nagasaki. In post -9/11 America we are directly confronted with the > prospect of a nuclear war of extermination conducted by our White > Racist Judeo-Christian Power Elite against Peoples of Color in the > Muslim and Arab worlds in order to steal their oil and gas. The > Crusades all over again. But this time nuclear Armageddon stares all > of humankind right in the face! > > We American lawyers must be inspired by the stunning example set by > those heroic Pakistani lawyers who led the successful struggle against > the brutal Bush-supported Musharraf military dictatorship in > Pakistan. We American lawyers must now lead the fight against the > Bush dictatorship and empire! 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'The Bush administration has called on Congress to rubber-stamp its bailout legislation without serious debate or efforts to improve it. That will not happen,' said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev." Obama Outlines Plan to Reform Washington's "Greed and Excesses" http://www.truthout.org/article/obama-outlines-plan-reform-washingtons-greed-and-excesses David Nather, Congressional Quarterly: "Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama outlined a broad plan to 'reform the greed and excesses of Washington' on Monday, calling for a series of changes in the way Congress does business. It's not clear whether Democratic leaders in Congress are willing to go along with what their party's nominee is suggesting. The plan goes well beyond responding to the financial meltdown, which has become Washington's top priority. It would require Congress, among other things, to hold all conference committee meetings and committee markups in public and spell out who benefits from all tax breaks in all new tax bills - in keeping with the open-government theme the senator from Illinois has championed throughout his campaign." $13 Billion in Iraq Aid Wasted or Stolen, Ex-Investigator Says http://www.truthout.org/article/13-billion-iraq-aid-wasted-or-stolen-ex-investigator-says Dana Hedgpeth, The Washington Post: "A former Iraqi official estimated yesterday that more than $13 billion meant for reconstruction projects in Iraq was wasted or stolen through elaborate fraud schemes. Salam Adhoob, a former chief investigator for Iraq's Commission on Public Integrity, told the Senate Democratic Policy Committee, an arm of the Democratic caucus, that an Iraqi auditing bureau 'could not properly account for' the money." David Sirota | The $700 Billion Questions http://www.truthout.org/article/the-700-billion-questions David Sirota, In These Times: "If a museum in the next superpower nation ever commemorates the decline of the last great superpower, it will make the two-and-a-half page bill introduced this week the center of the display. Just as they do today at the National Archives' Declaration of Independence exhibit, tourists in the future-perhaps in Beijing, perhaps somewhere else-will line up to see a framed draft of this week's White House legislation demanding Congress surrender its power of the purse, and give an unelected appointee-in this case, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson-the power to hand over $700 billion of taxpayer money to 'any financial institution,' 'without limitation?on such terms and conditions as determined by [him].' In a nation priding itself on separating powers between the branches of government, the bill explicitly states that decisions by Paulson may not even 'be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency.'" From hal at drxyzzy.org Tue Sep 23 11:32:26 2008 From: hal at drxyzzy.org (Hal Snyder) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 10:32:26 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Truthout and a host of others, including many Republicans, against blank check for Bush & The Street In-Reply-To: <48D9096E.4010709@mailbag.com> References: <48D9096E.4010709@mailbag.com> Message-ID: The bail-out proposal looks like standard Shock Doctrine procedure. Compare the PATRIOT act after 9/11, or see Michel Chossudovsky's "The Globalization of Poverty" for a long-range view of the process. From Danny Schechter's blog this morning (note boldface text): http://www.newsdissector.com/blog/ WHATS IN THE ?PLAN?? And from Peter B. Collins: Just a brief note to draw your attention to the remarkable language proposed by Treasury for the bailout bill. It sets the Secretary up as the dictator of the plan, allowing him to deputize individuals or subcontract with corporations with no oversight or controls. And then: Sec. 8. Review. Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency. In a single sentence, the administration is attempting to upend the Constitution, preventing Congress or the courts from any review of the bailout. This is an invitation to fraud greater than the problems purported to be addressed. Ordinarily, David Addington writes signing statements that assert these executive powers, this time they are so bold they put it right up front. Please do all you can to expose this to public scrutiny, and urge the House and Senate to debate this and amend it to stop this power grab, maintain separation of powers, and provide proper oversight and regulation of this trillion dollar package. On Sep 23, 2008, at 10:21 AM, Daniel Stafford wrote: > Here's Truthout's articles on it, but you can look anywhere on the > web and see no one wants to hand Paulson, a former head Streeter at > Goldman-sachs, the keys to the purse with no oversight and no > accountability and nothing in it for the Public. - DS -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: "Just Foreign Policy" Subject: Urge Jim Lehrer to ask the candidates about Israeli settlements Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:40:55 -0400 (EDT) Size: 9295 Url: From hal at drxyzzy.org Tue Sep 23 17:51:15 2008 From: hal at drxyzzy.org (Hal Snyder) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:51:15 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] financial predator overshoot; A.M. Best revises health insurance rating References: <7e6e14470809230923h69543d7awf1c4ed756eb37e41@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Economic shocks from the financial crisis bring collateral damage to the health insurance business. The item below is from Don McCanne's Quote-of-the-day single-payer list. Within the dry business prose is a picture of working people paying more for less health care and going without health insurance in increasing numbers, as insurers battle with other financial megasaurs over dwindling cash to be extracted from the people. Overall, the analogy with ecosystem collapse from predator overshoot should be apparent. But we are conditioned not to see such things. Compare Historical Overfishing and the Recent Collapse of Coastal Ecosystems, Is California on the Brink of Environmental Collapse?, Mass Extinction Underway, etc. Begin forwarded message: > From: "Don McCanne" > Date: September 23, 2008 11:23:42 AM CDT > To: Quote-of-the-Day > Subject: qotd: A.M. Best revises health insurance rating to negative > > MarketWatch > September 18, 2008 > A.M. Best Revises Rating Outlook of U.S. Life/Health Companies to > Negative > > Although fundamentals for the vast majority of life/health companies > are currently sound, uncertainty continues to be widespread in terms > of the future direction of the economy, real estate values, interest > rates, equity markets--both domestically and globally--and liquidity. > All of these factors have had an impact on life/health insurers' > balance sheet strength and operating performance. > > As the federal government takes unprecedented steps to promote > stability in financial markets and limit damage to the broader > economy, A.M. Best notes both the political uncertainty of the > upcoming Presidential election as well as the enhanced regulatory > scrutiny that currently pervades the life/health industry. These > issues are most prevalent across health insurance product lines, which > are influenced significantly by regulation at both the federal and > state levels. As a result, A.M. Best has revised the rating outlook on > the health insurance industry to negative. > > With employers dropping coverage, and politicians and regulators > seeking ways to provide coverage for the uninsured, the individual > medical market has become ultra competitive. A.M. Best has similar > concerns with the small group medical market as large, national > managed care companies compete despite low profit margins. > > Moreover, the current economic environment is placing additional > pressures on the managed care sector. The commercial market has been > extremely competitive for some time with limited growth potential. > Layoffs and bankruptcies will impact commercial enrollment, while cost > factors could pressure employees to drop coverage. Many publicly > traded managed care companies have increased their financial leverage > over the past year mainly for share repurchase and acquisitions (with > goodwill), all of which increase balance sheet risk. While A.M. Best > acknowledges that managed care companies tend to have more liquid and > conservative investment portfolios due to the short-tailed nature of > the claims, the issues that have emerged on Wall Street, and in the > real estate market, are expected to result in writedowns of certain > investments. > > outlook/story.aspx?guid=%7B4190EA15-8E83-466A-8FD1-5C44D3E63F4A% > 7D&dist=hppr> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From futurenotwritten at yahoo.com Tue Sep 23 22:46:17 2008 From: futurenotwritten at yahoo.com (Jay Becker) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CitizensTruth] "Beneath the Surface" today on KPFK Message-ID: <491393.3459.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The Tuesday Edition of Beneath the Surface, with Michael Slate, on KPFK 90.7 FM Tuesday, September 23, 2008, Beneath the Surface with Michael Slate, from 5:00 to 6:00 PM, Pacific Time on KPFK, 90.7 FM.? ?NOT IN THE LA AREA? You can listen online at www.kpfk.org, click "listenlive." In Santa Barbara, tune in at 98.7 FM. This week's guests: ?Raymond Lotta on the global economic meltdown. "This is a financial crisis of historic proportions. And like many other events in the world, this crisis points to the fundamental irrationality and cruelty of the system. It also shows the vulnerability of imperialism to sharp turns that could open up new possibilities for revolutionary advance," from "Financial Meltdown and the Madness of Imperialism," http://rwor.org/a/127/EconomyMeltdown-en.html.?Raymond Lotta is a Maoist political economist who gives a unique perspective on the world economy. His most recent series of articles, "Shifts and Faultlines in the World Economy and Great Power Rivalry, What Is Happening and What It Might Mean," is available at revcom.us. ?? Wendy Kout, co-writer, and Wendie Malick, actress, will talk about the play, "Don't Blame Me, I Voted For Helen Gahagan Douglas." Based on Helen Gahagan Douglas' life, the play follows the life of this liberal California congresswoman whose career was ended by Richard Nixon's anti-communist / anti-Semitic smear campaign in a 1950 Senate race. These tactics earned Nixon the name "Tricky Dick." The play will be presented in a stage reading, October 2, at The Landmark in West LA. Robert Redford and John Cusack are Honorary Hosts for the evening, a benefit for The Nation magazine. Declare It Now! Wear Orange! Impeach Bush & Cheney for War Crimes & Crimes against Humanity! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Astore | Reviving National Service in a Big Way http://www.truthout.org/092408N William J. Astore, TomDispatch.com: "... Amazingly enough, ordinary Americans generally don't want bail-outs, nor do they want handouts. What they normally want is honorable work, decent wages, and a government willing to wake up and help them contribute to a national restoration." From geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com Wed Sep 24 12:11:17 2008 From: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com (Geri Perry) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:11:17 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] The End of Money Message-ID: <48DA66A5.9020803@thetwofacesofmoney.com> /The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function. / ~Dr. Albert Bartlett The End of Money Article, vividly explaining the exponential function as the root of the problem with the current system: http://www.chrismartenson.com/the_end_of_money THIS is how the bailout will screw you, 5 minutes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OTM8Y3a5zQ You're being lied to, 10 minutes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6ZHOxJLUGI also at: http://www.fedupusa.org/ THERE IS AN HONORABLE WAY OUT: DEMAND THE CONGRESS ISSUE DEBT "FREE" MONEY! See this page, especially bottom 4 steps: http://www.thetwofacesofmoney.com/index.php/Site/MonetaryReformProposals - and read Part II of my book, carefully. "The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs." - Thomas Jefferson gerip From geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com Wed Sep 24 13:10:54 2008 From: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com (Geri Perry) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:10:54 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Who Needs A Bailout? Reviving National Service in a Big Way In-Reply-To: <48DA5A01.3030906@mailbag.com> References: <48DA5A01.3030906@mailbag.com> Message-ID: <48DA749E.8050000@thetwofacesofmoney.com> The article makes some good points, including the fact that Americans do want to work and provide for themselves and their families . . . . .but the article goes WAY off track in suggesting national service as a solution. Keep in mind that FDR's programs did NOT get us out of the depression. We got out of the depression when we entered WWII, and asked the Fed to "loan" us money it did NOT have but was allowed to create "out of nothing"!! FDR's initiatives actually resulted in a top-down managed economy, and a bunch of alphabet soup agencies funded by deficit spending (making them ripe for corruptive influences), which are allowed - unconstitutionally and along with the President - to create laws and regulations through the Federal Register. About this, PLEASE read this short page: http://www.thetwofacesofmoney.com/index.php/Site/AWordAboutCorporations and read Part I of my book, carefully. If we agree that we are dealing with an unresponsive government, hellbent are ignoring the Constitution and Bill of Rights - or at the very least a government and a Court willing to bend its original meaning and purpose in order to serve a corporate agenda - or a chosen group of people no matter who they be - then WHY would we want yet another national program which is certain to be maneuvered to serve interests other than We the People in the broadest and best sense? We cannot have out cake a and eat it too. The Constitution and Bill of Rights was written so as to LIMIT the powers of the federal government, and this was a good thing because it made the citizen "sovereign" - endowed with unalienable rights. Unfortunately we allowed ourselves to be led by Alexander Hamilton - and his international banking friends - who wanted a strong central government and large public debt to "cement it all together." Degree by degree, that's exactly what we got, and we are now facing a real armageddon unless we get our facts and our goals straight. McFadden had it right when he said: Mr. Chairman, when the Fed was passed, the people of these United States did not perceive that a world system was being set up here which would make the savings of the American school teacher available to a narcotic-drug vendor in Acapulco. They did not perceive that these United States was to be lowered to the position of a coolie country which has nothing but raw material and heart, that Russia was destined to supply the man power and that this country was to supply the financial power to an "international superstate". A superstate controlled by international bankers, and international industrialists acting together to enslave the world for their own pleasure? gerip Daniel Stafford wrote: > William J. Astore | Reviving National Service in a Big Way > http://www.truthout.org/092408N > William J. Astore, TomDispatch.com: "... Amazingly enough, ordinary > Americans generally don't want bail-outs, nor do they want handouts. > What they normally want is honorable work, decent wages, and a > government willing to wake up and help them contribute to a national > restoration." > > _______________________________________________ > CitizensTruth mailing list > CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > website: http://citizenstruth.info From mjkirk12 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 14:38:24 2008 From: mjkirk12 at yahoo.com (Mike Kirk) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:38:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CitizensTruth] Who Needs A Bailout? Reviving National Service in a Big Way In-Reply-To: <48DA749E.8050000@thetwofacesofmoney.com> Message-ID: <67540.78458.qm@web83807.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> We already have a form of national service - 15% + of our wages are taxed away - so we effectively are 'national servants'. -Mike --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Geri Perry wrote: From: Geri Perry Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] Who Needs A Bailout? Reviving National Service in a Big Way To: "Daniel Stafford" Cc: "IL Progressive Dems" , "Citizen's Truth" Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 12:10 PM The article makes some good points, including the fact that Americans do want to work and provide for themselves and their families . . . . .but the article goes WAY off track in suggesting national service as a solution. Keep in mind that FDR's programs did NOT get us out of the depression. We got out of the depression when we entered WWII, and asked the Fed to "loan" us money it did NOT have but was allowed to create "out of nothing"!! FDR's initiatives actually resulted in a top-down managed economy, and a bunch of alphabet soup agencies funded by deficit spending (making them ripe for corruptive influences), which are allowed - unconstitutionally and along with the President - to create laws and regulations through the Federal Register. About this, PLEASE read this short page: http://www.thetwofacesofmoney.com/index.php/Site/AWordAboutCorporations and read Part I of my book, carefully. If we agree that we are dealing with an unresponsive government, hellbent are ignoring the Constitution and Bill of Rights - or at the very least a government and a Court willing to bend its original meaning and purpose in order to serve a corporate agenda - or a chosen group of people no matter who they be - then WHY would we want yet another national program which is certain to be maneuvered to serve interests other than We the People in the broadest and best sense? We cannot have out cake a and eat it too. The Constitution and Bill of Rights was written so as to LIMIT the powers of the federal government, and this was a good thing because it made the citizen "sovereign" - endowed with unalienable rights. Unfortunately we allowed ourselves to be led by Alexander Hamilton - and his international banking friends - who wanted a strong central government and large public debt to "cement it all together." Degree by degree, that's exactly what we got, and we are now facing a real armageddon unless we get our facts and our goals straight. McFadden had it right when he said: Mr. Chairman, when the Fed was passed, the people of these United States did not perceive that a world system was being set up here which would make the savings of the American school teacher available to a narcotic-drug vendor in Acapulco. They did not perceive that these United States was to be lowered to the position of a coolie country which has nothing but raw material and heart, that Russia was destined to supply the man power and that this country was to supply the financial power to an "international superstate". A superstate controlled by international bankers, and international industrialists acting together to enslave the world for their own pleasure? gerip Daniel Stafford wrote: > William J. Astore | Reviving National Service in a Big Way > http://www.truthout.org/092408N > William J. Astore, TomDispatch.com: "... Amazingly enough, ordinary > Americans generally don't want bail-outs, nor do they want handouts. > What they normally want is honorable work, decent wages, and a > government willing to wake up and help them contribute to a national > restoration." > > _______________________________________________ > CitizensTruth mailing list > CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > website: http://citizenstruth.info _______________________________________________ CitizensTruth mailing list CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth website: http://citizenstruth.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com Wed Sep 24 14:47:24 2008 From: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com (Geri Perry) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:47:24 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Who Needs A Bailout? Reviving National Service in a Big Way In-Reply-To: <67540.78458.qm@web83807.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <67540.78458.qm@web83807.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48DA8B3C.1050607@thetwofacesofmoney.com> If only 15% were the end of it. Taxes and fees at every level of government are little more than a shell game to hide the real, and very ugly truth from us. I suggest everyone study the CAFR's I mention in Part I of my book. As to "national service" here is a quote and comment from my book, page 73: In his book titled Give Me Liberty, eccentric and well known defense attorney Gerry Spence describes our current system this way: "If we are the new American slaves, then who is our master? The New Master, like some monster escaped from the laboratories of a noble experiment called the American dream, is the sum total of an amoral coupling between government and business. It looms as a monolith hybrid that is neither government nor business and is composed of individual strands of power that include the president, Congress, the courts?a multitude of governing bureaus and agencies, and an immense cluster of multinational corporations, some as wealthy as great nations." How might we describe this economic system? Is it capitalism, fascism, communism. . . or does it even matter all that much in the end? A scam by any name is - after all - still a scam. gerip Mike Kirk wrote: > We already have a form of national service - 15% + of our wages are > taxed away - so we effectively are 'national servants'. > > -Mike > > --- On *Wed, 9/24/08, Geri Perry //* wrote: > > From: Geri Perry > Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] Who Needs A Bailout? Reviving > National Service in a Big Way > To: "Daniel Stafford" > Cc: "IL Progressive Dems" , > "Citizen's Truth" > Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 12:10 PM > > The article makes some good points, including the fact that Americans do > want to work and provide for themselves and their families . . . > > . > .but the article goes WAY off track in suggesting national service as > a solution. Keep in mind that FDR's programs did NOT get us out of the > depression. We got out of the depression when we entered WWII, and asked > the Fed to "loan" us money it did NOT have but was allowed to create > "out of nothing"!! > > FDR's initiatives actually resulted in a top-down managed economy, and a > bunch of alphabet soup agencies funded by deficit spending (making them > ripe for corruptive influences), which are allowed - unconstitutionally > and along with the President - to create laws and regulations through > the Federal Register. > > About this, PLEASE read this short page: > http://www.thetwofacesofmoney.com/index.php/Site/AWordAboutCorporations > and read Part I of my book, carefully. > > If we agree that we are dealing with an unresponsive government, > hellbent are ignoring the Constitution and Bill of Rights - or at the > > very least a government and a Court willing to bend its original meaning > and purpose in order to serve a corporate agenda - or a chosen group of > people no matter who they be - then WHY would we want yet another > national program which is certain to be maneuvered to serve interests > other than We the People in the broadest and best sense? > > We cannot have out cake a and eat it too. The Constitution and Bill of > Rights was written so as to LIMIT the powers of the federal government, > and this was a good thing because it made the citizen "sovereign" - > endowed with unalienable rights. Unfortunately we allowed ourselves to > be led by Alexander Hamilton - and his international banking friends - > who wanted a strong central government and large public debt to "cement > it all together." > > Degree by degree, that's exactly what we got, and we are now facing a > real armageddon unless we get our facts and our goals > straight. > > McFadden had it right when he said: > > Mr. Chairman, when the Fed was passed, the people of these > United States did not perceive that a world system was being set > up here which would make the savings of the American school > teacher available to a narcotic-drug vendor in Acapulco. They did > not perceive that these United States was to be lowered to the > position of a coolie country which has nothing but raw material > and heart, that Russia was destined to supply the man power and > that this country was to supply the financial power to an > "international superstate". A superstate controlled by > international bankers, and international industrialists acting > together to enslave the world for their own pleasure? > > gerip > > Daniel Stafford wrote: > > William J. Astore | Reviving National Service in a Big Way > > http://www.truthout.org/092408N > > William J. Astore, TomDispatch.com: "... > Amazingly enough, ordinary > > Americans generally don't want bail-outs, nor do they want handouts. > > What they normally want is honorable work, decent wages, and a > > government willing to wake up and help them contribute to a national > > restoration." > > > > _______________________________________________ > > CitizensTruth mailing list > > CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > > website: http://citizenstruth.info > _______________________________________________ > CitizensTruth mailing list > CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > website: http://citizenstruth.info > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > CitizensTruth mailing list > CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > website: http://citizenstruth.info > From Walterb306 at cs.com Wed Sep 24 15:34:47 2008 From: Walterb306 at cs.com (Walterb306 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:34:47 EDT Subject: [CitizensTruth] Who Needs A Bailout? Reviving National Service in a Big Way Message-ID: All, We could begin with townhall meetings all across the US where citizens put together pragmatic steps, in general terms. to reaffirm democratic principles and redefine capitolism. Here are some steps to consider: 1. Restoration of effective regulations for the financial sector, including holding those accountable whose actions led to the current finanical crisis 2. Hiatus to rewarding companies that take jobs overseas, and instead reward those that keep or create jobs here. 3. Reinstatment of higher level of income tax for top 1-2% 4. Closing of off-shore tax loops 5. Prosecution of those officials who have violated laws or abused their authority 6. Public financing of elections 7. Paper ballots 8. Health care for all Americans 9. End of lobbyists crafting legislation 10. End of revolving door politics 11. Charter term limit for corporations with periodic examination 12. End of defining corporations as "persons" when to their benefit while failing to hold them accountable for damages they cause. 13. Increased support for community based and community controlled media, including TV 14. Official rejection of all signing statements plus amending or deleting abuse-of-power sections from legislation already passed. 15. Reinstatement of protective tariffs (ours is around 5% or so, apparently, at least on some items, while China's is 20-30%) 16. Strong alternative energy, green policy to promote these new sectors and protect the environment 17. Quality education for all children 18. Foreign policy based on negotiation and cooperation. 19. End to Overthrow black ops 20. Reexamination and reduction in privatization of governmental services. 21. Creation or support of shelters/housing for the homeless 22. Support for vets when they return 23. Nationalize the Fed 24. End to warrantless spying on citizens 25. Withdrawal of troops from Iraq and responsible pull back from bases around the world (in some 130 countries). 26. Responsible and fair immigration policy 27. End to abusive labor practices both in US and abroad by US companies 28. Reestablish oversight functioning of departments designed to protect the US citizen from dangerous products. Many of these items are either common sense, or a matter of enforcing what is already on the books. There are many people in the government who sincerely seek to serve the public well. It is up to the public to pressure Congress and the Administration to let them do their jobs. We have to hold their feet to the fire, or, to put it another way, give them the backbone. Beverley -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From aqmstaffo at mailbag.com Thu Sep 25 12:34:57 2008 From: aqmstaffo at mailbag.com (Daniel Stafford) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:34:57 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] $700Bn for a temporary fix??? NOT!!! In-Reply-To: <20080925024236.39945703@democrats.com> References: <20080925024236.39945703@democrats.com> Message-ID: <48DBBDB1.6050700@mailbag.com> If we do what Bushcrew is proposing, this problem will just come back to haunt us all again in a few months and be even WORSE. The real problem with the economy is that its primary driver - the middle class - is out of money to squeeze. Everyone has been sqeezing and squeezing until the middle class has been bled dry - it's just that many haven't figured that out yet. They still have a little room on the credit cards, or they bought their house 15 or 20 years ago - but done the way Bushcrew wants, this will get them in the next round. Raise property taxes every year - squeeze! Bank fees for every little microservice the banks can think of - squeeze! Pay more and more for every form of insurance - squeeze! Pay for more of the medical expenses and prescriptions insurance won't cover - squeeze! Higher - deregulated - utility bills - squeeze! Higher gasoline taxes and income taxes and sales taxes - squeeze! School registration fees in addition to property taxes - squeeze! Higher college tuition fees and higher interest rates on them - squeeze! These are just the biggest things, there are myriad littler things pinching money off the middle class. The list goes on and on and on and on. The problem is, the middle class probably uses 4/5 or so of all the goods and services purchased every year - until this one. There's nothing left to squeeze - in fact, they've squeezed SO much that the middle class can no longer even meet obligations in addition to extras. Why do you think credit card use and debt is so high? People are buying food and gas or paying bills with them. It isn't luxury vacations or bling, its basic necessities. 4/5 of the economy can no longer afford to participate in the economy. They simply don't have the money left! But wait! Bushcrew wants to add a little less than $3,000.00 to the bills of every man, woman, and child in the country - squeeze! - squeeze! - squeeze! - squeeze! They are going to press the body until there's not even any red moisture left in it! Who is going to buy ANYTHING?? RICH GUYS?? Puuuuhlease! If you have a guy with 20 cars and ten houses, guess what? he can only drive one car at a time! He can only live in one house at a time! Even if he goes to a different house every night, he will still only spend a fraction in the local economies he lives in as what 10 families in 10 houses and 20 cars would spend. The families will spend money for gas and groceries and utilities and etc. every day almost in each of the 10 houses - but the rich guy might buy gas at one house one day, groceries at the next house, toys for the kids at the next, and so on. If the middle class isn't made middle class again, the economy will continue to tank until it stops. The middle class economic engine is out of gas. If you suck on the tank inlet until there's a huge vacuum, which is what this bailout does, you'll make the problems WORSE! Kiss my hiney, Bush & Paulson & Wall Street. You have no economy left to bail out because you don't have a real middle class anymore. You squuezed to much, and there's nothing left. If you want to fix the economy, get the middle class truly breathing again. Otherwise that money you're slipping out of the corpse's pockets will be totally worthless in a very short while. Dan Stafford Democrats.com wrote: > > Democrats.com, the Aggressive Progressives - 500,000 strong and growing! > > *TODAY: March Against Paulson's Plunder* > > On Wednesday, George Bush went on TV to sweet-talk Americans into > letting him *steal $700 billion of our tax dollars* - $2,333 for every > man, woman, and child - to bail out his greedy rich friends on Wall > Street. > > Today (Thursday) Bush will meet with Democratic and Republican leaders > to finalize a deal that gives Bush nearly everything he wants, > but nothing America needs: > > * The people who caused the problem or profited most should pay > for it > * Re-regulate to prevent this from happening again > * Include Main Street in the bailout and invest in a new > productive economy > > Worst of all, it's another massive fraud. Bush lied to our faces when > he promised to buy toxic securities "at their current low prices... > and we expect that much, if not all, of the tax dollars we invest will > be paid back." > > Bull. This is the same administration that promised the invasion of > Iraq would pay for itself through lower oil prices. The cost of that > disaster is now *$3 trillion* and climbing, not to mention millions > dead, maimed, or exiled. > > So make no mistake: every penny we give Bush now will be used to > greatly overpay for securities that will lose most of their value. We > will pay the price for decades, which is why dozens of economists > oppose Bush's fraud > . > > Democrats.com members have sent nearly 100,000 emails to our Senators > and Representatives opposing Paulson's Plunder. *But Congress is > moving fast, so we must too*. > > *Today* (Thursday) there will be *emergency afternoon street protests* > across the country. Please find the nearest protest and bring a sign > and a friend: > http://tinyurl.com/3sh2cb > > *And call your Senators and Representative right now* to say "No $700 > Billion Bailout for Wall Street" - dial the Capitol switchboard at > 800-473-6711 or 202-224-3121 or dial direct using the instant phone > lookup on the right side of http://usalone.com > > And if you have not *e**mailed your Senators and Representative*, > please do it now: > http://www.democrats.com/stop-paulsons-plunder > > > Thanks for all you do! > > *________________ * > > *Be a "Pollworker for Democracy" * > > This year, you have an amazing opportunity to ensure a fair election, > protect the right to vote, and get paid for doing so. How? By becoming > a pollworker. > > That's why CREDO Action is proud to sponsor the "Pollworkers for > Democracy" project - a nonpartisan effort to get more people involved > in protecting our elections - in order to support our democracy. 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URL: From mjkirk12 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 25 12:50:05 2008 From: mjkirk12 at yahoo.com (Mike Kirk) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CitizensTruth] $700Bn for a temporary fix??? NOT!!! In-Reply-To: <48DBBDB1.6050700@mailbag.com> Message-ID: <762766.25734.qm@web83826.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Didn't BushCrew promise to give Billions to the victims of the Asian Tsunami a few years ago but never wrote the check? Maybe this will be the same thing, empty promises to pay. -Mike --- On Thu, 9/25/08, Daniel Stafford wrote: From: Daniel Stafford Subject: [CitizensTruth] $700Bn for a temporary fix??? NOT!!! To: "IL Progressive Dems" , "AB_Progressives" , "Progressive" , DiehardDems at yahoogroups.com, "Citizen's Truth" Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 11:34 AM If we do what Bushcrew is proposing, this problem will just come back to haunt us all again in a few months and be even WORSE. The real problem with the economy is that its primary driver - the middle class - is out of money to squeeze. Everyone has been sqeezing and squeezing until the middle class has been bled dry - it's just that many haven't figured that out yet. They still have a little room on the credit cards, or they bought their house 15 or 20 years ago - but done the way Bushcrew wants, this will get them in the next round. Raise property taxes every year - squeeze! Bank fees for every little microservice the banks can think of - squeeze! Pay more and more for every form of insurance - squeeze! Pay for more of the medical expenses and prescriptions insurance won't cover - squeeze! Higher - deregulated - utility bills - squeeze! Higher gasoline taxes and income taxes and sales taxes - squeeze! School registration fees in addition to property taxes - squeeze! Higher college tuition fees and higher interest rates on them - squeeze! These are just the biggest things, there are myriad littler things pinching money off the middle class. The list goes on and on and on and on. The problem is, the middle class probably uses 4/5 or so of all the goods and services purchased every year - until this one. There's nothing left to squeeze - in fact, they've squeezed SO much that the middle class can no longer even meet obligations in addition to extras. Why do you think credit card use and debt is so high? People are buying food and gas or paying bills with them. It isn't luxury vacations or bling, its basic necessities. 4/5 of the economy can no longer afford to participate in the economy. They simply don't have the money left! But wait! Bushcrew wants to add a little less than $3,000.00 to the bills of every man, woman, and child in the country - squeeze! - squeeze! - squeeze! - squeeze! They are going to press the body until there's not even any red moisture left in it! Who is going to buy ANYTHING?? RICH GUYS?? Puuuuhlease! If you have a guy with 20 cars and ten houses, guess what? he can only drive one car at a time! He can only live in one house at a time! Even if he goes to a different house every night, he will still only spend a fraction in the local economies he lives in as what 10 families in 10 houses and 20 cars would spend. The families will spend money for gas and groceries and utilities and etc. every day almost in each of the 10 houses - but the rich guy might buy gas at one house one day, groceries at the next house, toys for the kids at the next, and so on. If the middle class isn't made middle class again, the economy will continue to tank until it stops. The middle class economic engine is out of gas. If you suck on the tank inlet until there's a huge vacuum, which is what this bailout does, you'll make the problems WORSE! Kiss my hiney, Bush & Paulson & Wall Street. You have no economy left to bail out because you don't have a real middle class anymore. You squuezed to much, and there's nothing left. If you want to fix the economy, get the middle class truly breathing again. Otherwise that money you're slipping out of the corpse's pockets will be totally worthless in a very short while. Dan Stafford Democrats.com wrote: TODAY: March Against Paulson's Plunder On Wednesday, George Bush went on TV to sweet-talk Americans into letting him steal $700 billion of our tax dollars - $2,333 for every man, woman, and child - to bail out his greedy rich friends on Wall Street. Today (Thursday) Bush will meet with Democratic and Republican leaders to finalize a deal that gives Bush nearly everything he wants, but?nothing America needs: The people who caused the problem or profited most should pay for it Re-regulate to prevent this from happening again Include Main Street in the bailout?and invest in a new productive economy Worst of all, it's another massive fraud. Bush lied to our faces when he promised to buy toxic securities "at their current low prices... and we expect that much, if not all, of the tax dollars we invest will be paid back." Bull. This is the same administration that promised the invasion of Iraq would pay for itself through lower oil prices. The cost of that disaster is now $3 trillion and climbing, not to mention millions dead, maimed, or exiled. So make no mistake: every penny we give Bush now will?be used to greatly overpay for securities that will lose most of their value. We will pay the price for decades, which is why dozens?of economists oppose Bush's fraud. Democrats.com members have sent nearly 100,000 emails to our Senators and Representatives opposing Paulson's Plunder. But Congress is moving fast, so we must too. Today (Thursday) there will be emergency afternoon street protests across the country. Please find the nearest protest and bring a sign and a friend: http://tinyurl.com/3sh2cb And call your Senators and Representative right now to say "No $700 Billion Bailout for Wall Street" - dial the Capitol switchboard at 800-473-6711 or 202-224-3121 or dial direct using the instant phone lookup on the right side of http://usalone.com And if you have not emailed your Senators and Representative, please do it now:? http://www.democrats.com/stop-paulsons-plunder Thanks for all you do! ________________ Be a "Pollworker for Democracy" This year, you have an amazing opportunity to ensure a fair election, protect the right to vote, and get paid for doing so. How? By becoming a pollworker. That's why CREDO Action is proud to sponsor the "Pollworkers for Democracy" project - a nonpartisan effort to get more people involved in protecting our elections - in order to support our democracy. We'll provide you with information to supplement your pollworker training, and also a system to report and track any problems on and before Election Day. Your county still needs pollworkers for the November 4th general election. By signing up as a pollworker, you can support our democratic system...and get paid! Click here to sign up to become a pollworker. http://tinyurl.com/6jaujd ________________ Are You Registered to Vote? Are You Sure? Republicans are working quietly to steal another election by disenfranchising Democratic voters, just as they did in 2000 and 2004. So please make sure you are registered to vote! Login to Democrats.com and click: http://www.democrats.com/voter_registration ##### Forward this message to everyone you know! To subscribe, create a free Democrats.com account here: http://www.democrats.com/user/register _______________________________________________ CitizensTruth mailing list CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth website: http://citizenstruth.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com Thu Sep 25 13:16:01 2008 From: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com (Geri Perry) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:16:01 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] the greatest crime ever perpetrated . . . Message-ID: <48DBC751.6000202@thetwofacesofmoney.com> Marcy Kaptur, people's heroine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S27yitK32ds From geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com Thu Sep 25 13:25:12 2008 From: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com (Geri Perry) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:25:12 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Lost Science, part 1 of 4 Message-ID: <48DBC978.6090709@thetwofacesofmoney.com> Electrostatic Cooling and Red Mercury: Read first chapter of this 1998 book on the Oklahoma City Bombing, and pay attention to segments on Michael Riconosciuto and Samuel Cohen (as well as Partin): http://www.scribd.com/doc/2284035/The-Oklahoma-City-Bombing-And-The-Politics-Of-Terror Then read this article by Michael Riconosciuto about Electrostatic Cooling: http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=91&contentid=349&page=2 Now for the Seizure of "Phantom" Red mercury of Samuel Cohen fame: http://www.nti.org/db/nistraff/2002/20020060.htm Also http://tinyurl.com/58lqhk and http://www.homelandsecurityus.net/red%20mercury/red_mercury%20jills%20comments.htm plus this article linked at above: http://www.homelandsecurityus.net/red%20mercury/red%20mercury%20bomb_inventor_says_u.htm with pertinent EXCERPT: According to Cohen: Evidence exists that China has neutron bombs stockpiled, and that the United States gave the Chinese the technology to build them. Russia has a large quantity of such weapons, as well as the world's largest arsenal of nuclear weapons. Israel has hundreds of neutron weapons. The neutron bombs would allow Israel to stop advancing Arab armies and tank columns - even one on Israeli soil - without permanently contaminating the land. . . .Most frightening for Cohen is the relative ease by which neutron bombs can be created with a substance called red mercury. Red mercury is a compound containing mercury that has undergone massive irradiation. When exploded, it creates tremendous heat and pressure - the same type needed to trigger a fusion device such as a mini-neutron bomb. Of course, "Only fools hunt for Red Mercury" http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg13418241.900-only-fools-still-hunt-for-elusive-red-mercury-.html From mincam2 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 25 15:22:17 2008 From: mincam2 at yahoo.com (Chuck Minne) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:22:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CitizensTruth] Sarah Palin, the joyful marriage of confidence and ignorance - which her supportors celebrate In-Reply-To: <48DBC978.6090709@thetwofacesofmoney.com> Message-ID: <723425.42172.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ? ? When Atheists Attack ? A noted provocateur rips Sarah Palin?and defends elitism. Sam Harris NEWSWEEK ? >From the magazine issue dated Sep 29, 2008 ? Let me confess that I was genuinely unnerved by Sarah Palin's performance at the Republican convention. Given her audience and the needs of the moment, I believe Governor Palin's speech was the most effective political communication I have ever witnessed. Here, finally, was a performer who?being maternal, wounded, righteous and sexy?could stride past the frontal cortex of every American and plant a three-inch heel directly on that limbic circuit that ceaselessly intones "God and country." If anyone could make Christian theocracy smell like apple pie, Sarah Palin could. ? Then came Palin's first television interview with Charles Gibson. I was relieved to discover, as many were, that Palin's luster can be much diminished by the absence of a teleprompter. Still, the problem she poses to our political process is now much bigger than she is. Her fans seem inclined to forgive her any indiscretion short of cannibalism. However badly she may stumble during the remaining weeks of this campaign, her supporters will focus their outrage upon the journalist who caused her to break stride, upon the camera operator who happened to capture her fall, upon the television network that broadcast the good lady's misfortune?and, above all, upon the "liberal elites" with their highfalutin assumption that, in the 21st century, only a reasonably well-educated person should be given command of our nuclear arsenal. ? The point to be lamented is not that Sarah Palin comes from outside Washington, or that she has glimpsed so little of the earth's surface (she didn't have a passport until last year), or that she's never met a foreign head of state. The point is that she comes to us, seeking the second most important job in the world, without any intellectual training relevant to the challenges and responsibilities that await her. There is nothing to suggest that she even sees a role for careful analysis or a deep understanding of world events when it comes to deciding the fate of a nation. In her interview with Gibson, Palin managed to turn a joke about seeing Russia from her window into a straight-faced claim that Alaska's geographical proximity to Russia gave her some essential foreign-policy experience. Palin may be a perfectly wonderful person, a loving mother and a great American success story?but she is a beauty queen/sports reporter who stumbled into small-town politics, and who is now on the verge of stumbling into, or upon, world history. ? The problem, as far as our political process is concerned, is that half the electorate revels in Palin's lack of intellectual qualifications. When it comes to politics, there is a mad love of mediocrity in this country. "They think they're better than you!" is the refrain that (highly competent and cynical) Republican strategists have set loose among the crowd, and the crowd has grown drunk on it once again. "Sarah Palin is an ordinary person!" Yes, all too ordinary. ? We have all now witnessed apparently sentient human beings, once provoked by a reporter's microphone, saying things like, "I'm voting for Sarah because she's a mom. She knows what it's like to be a mom." Such sentiments suggest an uncanny (and, one fears, especially American) detachment from the real problems of today. The next administration must immediately confront issues like nuclear proliferation, ongoing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (and covert wars elsewhere), global climate change, a convulsing economy, Russian belligerence, the rise of China, emerging epidemics, Islamism on a hundred fronts, a defunct United Nations, the deterioration of American schools, failures of energy, infrastructure and Internet security ? the list is long, and Sarah Palin does not seem competent even to rank these items in order of importance, much less address any one of them. ? Palin's most conspicuous gaffe in her interview with Gibson has been widely discussed. The truth is, I didn't much care that she did not know the meaning of the phrase "Bush doctrine." And I am quite sure that her supporters didn't care, either. Most people view such an ambush as a journalistic gimmick. What I do care about are all the other things Palin is guaranteed not to know?or will be glossing only under the frenzied tutelage of John McCain's advisers. What doesn't she know about financial markets, Islam, the history of the Middle East, the cold war, modern weapons systems, medical research, environmental science or emerging technology? Her relative ignorance is guaranteed on these fronts and most others, not because she was put on the spot, or got nervous, or just happened to miss the newspaper on any given morning. Sarah Palin's ignorance is guaranteed because of how she has spent the past 44 years on earth. ? I care even more about the many things Palin thinks she knows but doesn't: like her conviction that the Biblical God consciously directs world events. Needless to say, she shares this belief with mil-lions of Americans?but we shouldn't be eager to give these people our nuclear codes, either. There is no question that if President McCain chokes on a spare rib and Palin becomes the first woman president, she and her supporters will believe that God, in all his majesty and wisdom, has brought it to pass. Why would God give Sarah Palin a job she isn't ready for? He wouldn't. Everything happens for a reason. Palin seems perfectly willing to stake the welfare of our country?even the welfare of our species?as collateral in her own personal journey of faith. Of course, McCain has made the same unconscionable wager on his personal journey to the White House. ? In speaking before her church about her son going to war in Iraq, Palin urged the congregation to pray "that our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God; that's what we have to make sure we are praying for, that there is a plan, and that plan is God's plan." When asked about these remarks in her interview with Gibson, Palin successfully dodged the issue of her religious beliefs by claiming that she had been merely echoing the words of Abraham Lincoln. The New York Times later dubbed her response "absurd." It was worse than absurd; it was a lie calculated to conceal the true character of her religious infatuations. Every detail that has emerged about Palin's life in Alaska suggests that she is as devout and literal-minded in her Christian dogmatism as any man or woman in the land. Given her long affiliation with the Assemblies of God church, Palin very likely believes that Biblical prophecy is an infallible guide to future events and that we are living in the "end times." Which is to say she very likely thinks that human history will soon unravel in a foreordained cataclysm of war and bad weather. Undoubtedly Palin believes that this will be a good thing?as all true Christians will be lifted bodily into the sky to make merry with Jesus, while all nonbelievers, Jews, Methodists and other rabble will be punished for eternity in a lake of fire. Like many Pentecostals, Palin may even imagine that she and her fellow parishioners enjoy the power of prophecy themselves. Otherwise, what could she have meant when declaring to her congregation that "God's going to tell you what is going on, and what is going to go on, and you guys are going to have that within you"? ? You can learn something about a person by the company she keeps. In the churches where Palin has worshiped for decades, parishioners enjoy "baptism in the Holy Spirit," "miraculous healings" and "the gift of tongues." Invariably, they offer astonishingly irrational accounts of this behavior and of its significance for the entire cosmos. Palin's spiritual colleagues describe themselves as part of "the final generation," engaged in "spiritual warfare" to purge the earth of "demonic strongholds." Palin has spent her entire adult life immersed in this apocalyptic hysteria. Ask yourself: Is it a good idea to place the most powerful military on earth at her disposal? Do we actually want our leaders thinking about the fulfillment of Biblical prophecy when it comes time to say to the Iranians, or to the North Koreans, or to the Pakistanis, or to the Russians or to the Chinese: "All options remain on the table"? ? It is easy to see what many people, women especially, admire about Sarah Palin. Here is a mother of five who can see the bright side of having a child with Down syndrome and still find the time and energy to govern the state of Alaska. But we cannot ignore the fact that Palin's impressive family further testifies to her dogmatic religious beliefs. Many writers have noted the many shades of conservative hypocrisy on view here: when Jamie Lynn Spears gets pregnant, it is considered a symptom of liberal decadence and the breakdown of family values; in the case of one of Palin's daughters, however, teen pregnancy gets reinterpreted as a sign of immaculate, small-town fecundity. And just imagine if, instead of the Palins, the Obama family had a pregnant, underage daughter on display at their convention, flanked by her black boyfriend who "intends" to marry her. Who among conservatives would have resisted the temptation to speak of "the dysfunction in the black community"? ? Teen pregnancy is a misfortune, plain and simple. At best, it represents bad luck (both for the mother and for the child); at worst, as in the Palins' case, it is a symptom of religious dogmatism. Governor Palin opposes sex education in schools on religious grounds. She has also fought vigorously for a "parental consent law" in the state of Alaska, seeking full parental dominion over the reproductive decisions of minors. We know, therefore, that Palin believes that she should be the one to decide whether her daughter carries her baby to term. Based on her stated position, we know that she would deny her daughter an abortion even if she had been raped. One can be forgiven for doubting whether Bristol Palin had all the advantages of 21st-century family planning?or, indeed, of the 21st century. ? We have endured eight years of an administration that seemed touched by religious ideology. Bush's claim to Bob Woodward that he consulted a "higher Father" before going to war in Iraq got many of us sitting upright, before our attention wandered again to less ethereal signs of his incompetence. For all my concern about Bush's religious beliefs, and about his merely average grasp of terrestrial reality, I have never once thought that he was an over-the-brink, Rapture-ready extremist. Palin seems as though she might be the real McCoy. With the McCain team leading her around like a pet pony between now and Election Day, she can be expected to conceal her religious extremism until it is too late to do anything about it. Her supporters know that while she cannot afford to "talk the talk" between now and Nov. 4, if elected, she can be trusted to "walk the walk" until the Day of Judgment. ? What is so unnerving about the candidacy of Sarah Palin is the degree to which she represents?and her supporters celebrate?the joyful marriage of confidence and ignorance. Watching her deny to Gibson that she had ever harbored the slightest doubt about her readiness to take command of the world's only superpower, one got the feeling that Palin would gladly assume any responsibility on earth: ? "Governor Palin, are you ready at this moment to perform surgery on this child's brain?" ? "Of course, Charlie. I have several boys of my own, and I'm an avid hunter." ? "But governor, this is neurosurgery, and you have no training as a surgeon of any kind." ? "That's just the point, Charlie. The American people want change in how we make medical decisions in this country. And when faced with a challenge, you cannot blink." ? The prospects of a Palin administration are far more frightening, in fact, than those of a Palin Institute for Pediatric Neurosurgery. Ask yourself: how has "elitism" become a bad word in American politics? There is simply no other walk of life in which extraordinary talent and rigorous training are denigrated. We want elite pilots to fly our planes, elite troops to undertake our most critical missions, elite athletes to represent us in competition and elite scientists to devote the most productive years of their lives to curing our diseases. And yet, when it comes time to vest people with even greater responsibilities, we consider it a virtue to shun any and all standards of excellence. When it comes to choosing the people whose thoughts and actions will decide the fates of millions, then we suddenly want someone just like us, someone fit to have a beer with, someone down-to-earth?in fact, almost anyone, provided that he or she doesn't seem too intelligent or well educated. ? I believe that with the nomination of Sarah Palin for the vice presidency, the silliness of our politics has finally put our nation at risk. The world is growing more complex?and dangerous?with each passing hour, and our position within it growing more precarious. Should she become president, Palin seems capable of enacting policies so detached from the common interests of humanity, and from empirical reality, as to unite the entire world against us. When asked why she is qualified to shoulder more responsibility than any person has held in human history, Palin cites her refusal to hesitate. "You can't blink," she told Gibson repeatedly, as though this were a primordial truth of wise governance. Let us hope that a President Palin would blink, again and again, while more thoughtful people decide the fate of civilization. ? Harris is a founder of The Reason Project and author of The New York Times best sellers ?The End of Faith? and ?Letter to a Christian Nation.? His Web site is samharris.org. URL: http://www.newsweek.com/id/160080 "They no longer believed that James Earl Ray was the killer. For their peace of mind, for an accurate record of history, and out of a sense of justice they conducted a two decade long investigation. The evidence they uncovered was put before a jury in Memphis, TN, in November 1999. 70 witnesses testified under oath, 4,000 pages of transcripts described that evidence, much of it new. It took the jury 59 minutes to come back with their decision that exonerated James Earl Ray, who had already died in prison. The jury found that Lloyd Jowers, owner of Jim?s Grill, had participated in a conspiracy to kill King. The evidence showed that the conspiracy included J. Edgar Hoover and the FBI, Richard Helms and the CIA, the military, the Memphis police department, and organized crime." ? http://www.actofstate.org --- On Thu, 9/25/08, Geri Perry wrote: From: Geri Perry Subject: [CitizensTruth] Lost Science, part 1 of 4 To: "Citizens Truth" Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 12:25 PM Electrostatic Cooling and Red Mercury: Read first chapter of this 1998 book on the Oklahoma City Bombing, and pay attention to segments on Michael Riconosciuto and Samuel Cohen (as well as Partin): http://www.scribd.com/doc/2284035/The-Oklahoma-City-Bombing-And-The-Politics-Of-Terror Then read this article by Michael Riconosciuto about Electrostatic Cooling: http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=91&contentid=349&page=2 Now for the Seizure of "Phantom" Red mercury of Samuel Cohen fame: http://www.nti.org/db/nistraff/2002/20020060.htm Also http://tinyurl.com/58lqhk and http://www.homelandsecurityus.net/red%20mercury/red_mercury%20jills%20comments.htm plus this article linked at above: http://www.homelandsecurityus.net/red%20mercury/red%20mercury%20bomb_inventor_says_u.htm with pertinent EXCERPT: According to Cohen: Evidence exists that China has neutron bombs stockpiled, and that the United States gave the Chinese the technology to build them. Russia has a large quantity of such weapons, as well as the world's largest arsenal of nuclear weapons. Israel has hundreds of neutron weapons. The neutron bombs would allow Israel to stop advancing Arab armies and tank columns - even one on Israeli soil - without permanently contaminating the land. . . .Most frightening for Cohen is the relative ease by which neutron bombs can be created with a substance called red mercury. Red mercury is a compound containing mercury that has undergone massive irradiation. When exploded, it creates tremendous heat and pressure - the same type needed to trigger a fusion device such as a mini-neutron bomb. Of course, "Only fools hunt for Red Mercury" http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg13418241.900-only-fools-still-hunt-for-elusive-red-mercury-.html _______________________________________________ CitizensTruth mailing list CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth website: http://citizenstruth.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mjkirk12 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 25 16:29:48 2008 From: mjkirk12 at yahoo.com (Mike Kirk) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:29:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CitizensTruth] the greatest crime ever perpetrated . . . In-Reply-To: <48DBC751.6000202@thetwofacesofmoney.com> Message-ID: <485652.16626.qm@web83812.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> The sad thing is, the Iraq war will cost taxpayers 3 to 4 times the cost of this bailout, yet nobody is that concerned. -Mike --- On Thu, 9/25/08, Geri Perry wrote: From: Geri Perry Subject: [CitizensTruth] the greatest crime ever perpetrated . . . To: "Citizens Truth" Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 12:16 PM Marcy Kaptur, people's heroine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S27yitK32ds _______________________________________________ CitizensTruth mailing list CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth website: http://citizenstruth.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hal at drxyzzy.org Thu Sep 25 22:55:04 2008 From: hal at drxyzzy.org (Hal Snyder) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 21:55:04 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] the greatest crime ever perpetrated . . . In-Reply-To: <485652.16626.qm@web83812.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <485652.16626.qm@web83812.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Geri, for posting the link to Marcy Kaptur's take-down of the latest Bushevik money scam. Here's a link to the transcript of her speech: Real reform now, or nothing. Adding to Mike's comparison of the bail-out to the cost of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan - On September 3, 2001, Kelly O'Meara reported: The Defense Department cannot account for $1.1 trillion that seems to have vanished within the tangled system of financial accounting put in place by private contractors. http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_/ai_78127727 On September 10, 2001, Donald Rumsfeld guessed the DoD had lost track of more than twice that: According to some estimates, we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions. http://www.defenselink.mil/speeches/speech.aspx?speechid=430 (All this and we could provide health care for everyone in the country for a mere $350 billion.) http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single_payer_resources.php Hal On Sep 25, 2008, at 3:29 PM, Mike Kirk wrote: > The sad thing is, the Iraq war will cost taxpayers 3 to 4 times the > cost of this bailout, yet nobody is that concerned. right - Nobel laureate estimates wars' cost at more than $3 trillion http://www.mcclatchydc.com/100/story/28891.html > -Mike > > --- On Thu, 9/25/08, Geri Perry wrote: > From: Geri Perry > Subject: [CitizensTruth] the greatest crime ever perpetrated . . . > To: "Citizens Truth" > Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 12:16 PM > > Marcy Kaptur, people's heroine: http://www.youtube.com/watch? > v=S27yitK32ds -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mincam2 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 26 00:02:23 2008 From: mincam2 at yahoo.com (Chuck Minne) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 21:02:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CitizensTruth] Obama to McCain on debate: "Send Sarah in your place." In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <92406.80707.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> McCAIN SUSPENDS CAMPAIGN, RETURNS TO DC BECAUSE "THEY NEED A SENATOR WHO KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT THE ECONOMY TO FIX THE FINANCIAL CRISIS" ? Satire by R J Shulman WASHINGTON - (PTSD News) - John McCain announced that he will not participate in Friday's scheduled debate with Barack Obama and that he is suspending his campaign until there is a fix to the financial crisis gripping Wall Street. "I'm putting my country first by going back to Washington to whip the economy back into shape," McCain said. "While Obama is being political and selfish by choosing to waste America's time with a frivolous debate about where the candidates stand on the issues, I will be in Washington with my sleeves rolled up, fighting the economy until we win, even if it takes one hundred years." ? Barack Obama said that he plans to be there for the debate and told Senator McCain. "Since Washington needs you so badly and you cannot participate in the presidential debate, just send Sarah Palin in your place. She should be able to participate in the debate unless she's called back home because Russia has invaded Alaska." ? "I think that Senator McCain from Colorado has correctly got it right," said President [sic] Bush. "In fact, I am announcing today that not only are the debates called off due to the economy being bad, but I am cancelcating the presidential election until we get the do nothing Democrats in Congress to golden parachute my friends on Wall Street. And while we wait, I have graciously offered to fill in as the President until all that economic fixing is finished." ? 25 September 2008 Visit R J Shulman on MySpace "They no longer believed that James Earl Ray was the killer. For their peace of mind, for an accurate record of history, and out of a sense of justice they conducted a two decade long investigation. The evidence they uncovered was put before a jury in Memphis, TN, in November 1999. 70 witnesses testified under oath, 4,000 pages of transcripts described that evidence, much of it new. It took the jury 59 minutes to come back with their decision that exonerated James Earl Ray, who had already died in prison. The jury found that Lloyd Jowers, owner of Jim?s Grill, had participated in a conspiracy to kill King. The evidence showed that the conspiracy included J. Edgar Hoover and the FBI, Richard Helms and the CIA, the military, the Memphis police department, and organized crime." ? http://www.actofstate.org --- On Thu, 9/25/08, Hal Snyder wrote: From: Hal Snyder Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] the greatest crime ever perpetrated . . . To: "Citizens Truth" Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 9:55 PM Thanks, Geri, for posting the link to Marcy Kaptur's take-down of the latest Bushevik money scam. Here's a link to the transcript of her speech: Real reform now, or nothing. Adding to Mike's comparison of the bail-out to the cost of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan - On September 3, 2001, Kelly O'Meara reported: The Defense Department cannot account for?$1.1 trillion?that seems to have vanished within the tangled system of financial accounting put in place by private contractors. http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_/ai_78127727 On September 10, 2001, Donald Rumsfeld guessed the DoD had lost track of more than twice that: According to some estimates, we cannot track?$2.3 trillion?in transactions. http://www.defenselink.mil/speeches/speech.aspx?speechid=430 (All this and we could provide health care for everyone in the country for a mere $350 billion.) http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single_payer_resources.php Hal On Sep 25, 2008, at 3:29 PM, Mike Kirk wrote: The sad thing is, the Iraq war will cost taxpayers 3 to 4 times the cost of this bailout, yet nobody is that concerned. right - Nobel laureate estimates wars' cost at more than $3 trillion http://www.mcclatchydc.com/100/story/28891.html -Mike --- On Thu, 9/25/08, Geri Perry wrote: From: Geri Perry Subject: [CitizensTruth] the greatest crime ever perpetrated . . . To: "Citizens Truth" Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 12:16 PM Marcy Kaptur, people's heroine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S27yitK32ds_______________________________________________ CitizensTruth mailing list CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth website: http://citizenstruth.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mjkirk12 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 26 12:57:07 2008 From: mjkirk12 at yahoo.com (Mike Kirk) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 09:57:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CitizensTruth] Video from Wall Street Message-ID: <54690.44163.qm@web83809.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> The Resident (Lori Harfenist) interviews Wall Street on the Meltdown: http://theresident.net/component/option,com_seyret/Itemid,118/task,videodirectlink/id,151 Keep smiling folks! -Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com Fri Sep 26 14:57:27 2008 From: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com (Geri Perry) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:57:27 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] like another 9-11 Message-ID: <48DD3097.9030605@thetwofacesofmoney.com> That's what Glen Beck said, not me. (out of the mouth of babes, as they say) Anyway, He's right on the money so to speak. Here is what one free investor newsletter I get said, quote: "The U.S. is, in dollar terms, bankrupt. How did this happen? Well, there are $800 TRILLION dollars in over-the-counter derivatives floating around in the market." end quote Glen Beck's statement, clueless as it was, made me recall that on 9-11 nearly all the records investigating Enron etal that had been stored at the SEC were all destroyed when building 7 went down - and all the financial records detailing the missing trillions in the defense budget were destroyed when the plane/missile/whatever happened to hit the very section of the Pentagon where all those records were kept. And never disclosed were the sources of all those put options, and on and on. Well, all this has been working well for someone. So far, anyway. gerip From rmigalla at earthlink.net Fri Sep 26 20:34:45 2008 From: rmigalla at earthlink.net (Robin Migalla) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 19:34:45 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] FW: A little levity Message-ID: <01C9200E.EF6870C0.rmigalla@earthlink.net> Cheers, Robin -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 16:19 Subject: FW: Roosters John was in the egg business. He had several hundred young layers, called 'pullets,' and ten roosters to fertilize the eggs. Any rooster not performing went into the soup pot and was replaced. Keeping records took a lot of time, so he bought some tiny bells and attached them to his roosters. Each bell had a different tone, so he could tell from a distance which rooster was performing. Now, he could sit on the porch and fill out an efficiency report by just listening to the bells. John's favorite rooster, old Butch, was a very fine specimen, but one morning John noticed that old Butch's bell hadn't rung at all! When he went to investigate, he saw the other roosters were busy chasing pullets, bells-a-ringing. The pullets, however, had learned to listen for the bells and run for cover. To John's amazement, old Butch had his bell in his beak, so it couldn't ring! He'd sneak up on a pullet, do his job and walk on to the next one. John was so proud of old Butch, he entered him in the Renfrew County Fair, and he became an overnight sensation among the judges. The result was the judges not only awarded old Butch the No Bell Piece Prize, but they also awarded him the Pulletsurprise as well. Clearly old Butch was a politician in the making. Who else but a politician could figure out how to win two of the most highly coveted awards on our planet by being the best at sneaking up on the populace and screwing them when they weren't paying attention. Vote carefully this year; the bells are not always audible. From aqmstaffo at mailbag.com Fri Sep 26 21:01:19 2008 From: aqmstaffo at mailbag.com (Daniel Stafford) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 20:01:19 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] So Wall Street Wants A Bailout - But To Hell With Main Street - Or Else! Message-ID: <48DD85DF.3070103@mailbag.com> *So Wall Street Wants A Bailout - But To Hell With Main Street - Or Else!* We are threatened with another "great" Depression if we don't bail out the banks - we have to add to our debt to make up for their bad debt - or else. No thanks. These people have broken the unspoken contract with everyday people long ago. They kept jacking up the prices, charging more and ever more "fees" and interest, all the while running non-stop advertising; "Buy this, you'll be ten years younger." "Buy the big house, you'll be able to afford it, you'll get raises later or you can sell it at a profit." Yet the raises never come, are never enough, and you can't sell it at all anymore. "If you don't buy this new TV/Stereo/phone/computer/car/_____ you'll be obsolete, you'll be a bum, you'll be yesterday's news." They deregulate the utility prices, and I don't know a soul not paying at least double if not triple what they were paying for natural gas and electric five years ago. Yet are we taking home triple what we were five years ago? People say "free markets, get rid of the regulations, it'll fix everything, and we'll all be rich and...happy?" So, HOW IS THAT WORKIN' OUT FOR YA, AMERICA??? They've turned the Ferenghi loose AGAIN, and look where we are. They want to drop another huge economic bomb on the Average Joe/Jane again? They want to up our taxes again for THAT? We don't pay enough taxes yet? What are we getting for all these taxes we pay? The strongest military on Earth? Iraq and Afghanistan have them so bogged down they can't handle anything else, and the President has to hire a private army at huge expense to "help out," aka Blackwater and the like. The National Guard had to be called in so they aren't here at home when hurricanes and tornadoes and fires come. Great health care? You still have to wait to schedule anything life-threatening, and an awful; lot of emergency rooms have long waits. What is this, Canada? Nope, the Canadians don't get bad credit because they don't get billed. Ever looked at how much is deducted from your check stub every pay day for health "insurance?" I know it's about a $1,000.00 a month plus for me. Great schools? Ever seen our latests rankings against the rest of the world? How thrilled are teachers with things these days? You know, the people who actually know how to teach? How much cash do you have left to save for retirement or buy Christmas and birthday presents of late? What? You've been buying those on your credit cards but they're all maxed out now? Isn't consumerism and a government run by "fiscal deregulators" grand? They think government sucks, and they are running it in a fashion meant to prove it. To hell with anyone hungry or homeless, or needing an education so they can be productive. The "mentally disabled?" They got put out on the streets in the 1980's. Don't look too close at that pile of reeking old clothes in the alley, America. The physically disabled? I have friends who are fighting chronic illnesses that are being treated like dirt and left without medications or food left right and sideways these last few years. Got great jobs America? How's the fast food and discount store market doing ya? Hey, didn't you used to work at the factory down the street? Too bad they moved production to Taiwan/Mexico/China/Korea/Vietnam - yep, Vietnam. I have shirts made there. These days, I'm pleasantly shocked when I can find a product with "made in the USA" on its label. I still wonder about the parts that went into it, if its anything nearly complicated to have parts. Guess you'll have to drive that hour or two into the city, if you can find something there that covers your gasoline costs. Or you can go on the train and spend double the time in transit unless you're lucky enough to live right on top of the tracks. Got a clean environment? Living polar bears or any fish in the oceans? Fish you can eat more than once a week without getting mercury poisoning? I could go on and on, but "privatization" and "free markets" have brought us to the point where the only American companies making any money are defense contractors and oil companies. All this, and the bosses want to drop economic Armageddon on us if we don't all fork over about $3,000.00 - just for starters, might be more. I don't think so. How about we all do this - stop paying that mortgage that is eating half or more of your paycheck. Just cut it out, stop sending the checks. Cancel the homeowners' insurance, the car insurance, the health insurance. Don't drive a friggin' mile you don't have to. Stop paying credit card bills. Don't buy a dang thing you don't absolutely have to in order to eat and keep from freezing. Turn the thermostat way down or burn wood. Turn the TV's off, unplug anything you don't have to keep running. Burn candles unless you really need a big light. Hey, tea lights are romantic. Let's all develop Great Depression consumption habits before they hand us the official version. As your surviving Grandparents for tips. They'll love that you finally had some time to spend with them. You see, we the Average Joes 'n Janes could drop an economy bomb too. They just don't believe we could all get together enough to do it. How about, if Wall Street gets a debt reset on us, we get a debt reset too? Every loan, globally, at every level, is wiped out. Reset the entire friggin' WORLD'S balance sheets, or else. Hey, and while your at it, knock off all the BS fees, give us hand-counted paper elections reporting at the precinct level with citizen observers guaranteed seating at the counts, utterly divested media, and a cap on taxation of 5% Federal, 5% state, and 5% local, period, that's all they get and in sales taxes only. Nobody owes anyone a friggin' penny, let alone a dime. What do you think, Cats - can we make a herd and whup this mess? Oh, and throw in a good night's sleep at least twice a week while they're at it. It's time we got our "ruling-class leaders" to get it: they need to KISS OUR CLASS. Dan Stafford -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From futurenotwritten at yahoo.com Sat Sep 27 08:21:29 2008 From: futurenotwritten at yahoo.com (Jay Becker) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 05:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CitizensTruth] So Wall Street Wants A Bailout - But To Hell With Main Street - Or Else! In-Reply-To: <48DD85DF.3070103@mailbag.com> Message-ID: <505670.76288.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Here's an article from the World Can't Wait national website with more links at the end. Wall Street Meltdown: Financial Crisis and Turmoil Grow Wednesday, 24 September 2008 var sburl2780 = window.location.href; var sbtitle2780 = document.title;var sbtitle2780=encodeURIComponent("Wall Street Meltdown: Financial Crisis and Turmoil Grow"); var sburl2780=decodeURI("http://www.worldcantwait.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5049"); sburl2780=sburl2780.replace(/amp;/g, "");sburl2780=encodeURIComponent(sburl2780);reddit_url=sburl2780;by Kenneth Theisen As the last couple weeks have clearly demonstrated, the U.S. is in the midst of a destabilizing financial crisis which has not been seen since the Great Depression. While financiers and politicians attempt to ?fix? this crisis, the masses of people in this country and in the world continue to pay the price for an imperialist system that is built on the exploitation of the billions of people for the benefit of a relative few. While trying to shift the financial cost of this crisis from the ruling class to the masses, the Bush regime may also implement further repressive machinery in order to stem resistance. Three of the five largest independent investment banks have gone out of existence since April of this year. The feds have had to takeover Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the two mortgage-finance giants and to take a substantial ownership interest in American International Group (AIG), one of the largest insurance-financial firms. This financial crisis was not brought on my mismanagement, excessive greed, or too much or not enough regulation.? Yes these factors were present, but the reality is that the U.S. imperialist system brought on this crisis. The ruling class is very worried that its entire house of cards could collapse unless it can stem the crisis. While millions of people here in the U.S. face the loss of jobs, homes, and their future; and people overseas may literally starve, those at the top of society are only interested in saving themselves and their fellow members of the ruling class.And do not expect Barack Obama or John McCain to come to the rescue of the masses.? As several of the articles with links that are attached will show, both of these candidates have surrounded themselves with advisors who are closely tied to the causes of the financial crisis. Obama and McCain were chosen as candidates of their party because they have demonstrated their allegiance to the ruling class.? Whichever one is elected, he will do his duty to protect the imperialist system that has brought on this crisis. But the crisis is not over and there is no guarantee that it will not actually deepen, both here and internationally.? The financial crisis will continue to hurt hundreds of millions of people and this may lead to further repression to stop resistance.? The Bush regime has put into operation the means for such repression over the last seven plus years.? We must resist any such oppression, while at the same time building a movement to remove the various laws, regulations, presidential directives, institutions, etc. that enable such repression. The links to articles below reveal much about the present crisis.? While the articles do not necessarily pose the solutions necessary, they do expose the extent of the financial crisis and how it impacts the present situation in the world.? WCW will continue to provide coverage on these issues. ? Further analysis:Phoenix Business Journal: McCain, Obama target, accept funds from Wall Street bankers New York Daily News: John McCain & Barack Obama both have advisers tied to Wall Street mess OpEdNews.com: Days from Economic Meltdown: "Dr. Doom" says up to 33% of regional banks could fail The Nation: Socialism for Bankers, Savage Capitalism for Everyone Else? The Nation: John McCain: Crisis Enabler Counterpunch: Will the Cure be Worse Than the Crisis? The Paulson-Bernanke Bank Bailout Plan Counterpunch: Fallout Over Mainstream. Mushroom Clouds Over Wall Street Counterpunch: Swimming Lessons for Washington and Wall Street. The Predators' Bailout Counterpunch: The Market and the Terminator Machines. America's Own Kleptocracy ? Declare It Now! Wear Orange! Impeach Bush & Cheney for War Crimes & Crimes against Humanity! --- On Fri, 9/26/08, Daniel Stafford wrote: From: Daniel Stafford Subject: [CitizensTruth] So Wall Street Wants A Bailout - But To Hell With Main Street - Or Else! To: "IL Progressive Dems" , "AB_Progressives" , "Progressive" , DiehardDems at yahoogroups.com, "Citizen's Truth" Date: Friday, September 26, 2008, 8:01 PM So Wall Street Wants A Bailout - But To Hell With Main Street - Or Else! We are threatened with another "great" Depression if we don't bail out the banks - we have to add to our debt to make up for their bad debt - or else. No thanks. These people have broken the unspoken contract with everyday people long ago. They kept jacking up the prices, charging more and ever more "fees" and interest, all the while running non-stop advertising; "Buy this, you'll be ten years younger." "Buy the big house, you'll be able to afford it, you'll get raises later or you can sell it at a profit." Yet the raises never come, are never enough, and you can't sell it at all anymore. "If you don't buy this new TV/Stereo/phone/computer/car/_____ you'll be obsolete, you'll be a bum, you'll be yesterday's news." They deregulate the utility prices, and I don't know a soul not paying at least double if not triple what they were paying for natural gas and electric five years ago. Yet are we taking home triple what we were five years ago? People say "free markets, get rid of the regulations, it'll fix everything, and we'll all be rich and...happy?" So, HOW IS THAT WORKIN' OUT FOR YA, AMERICA??? They've turned the Ferenghi loose AGAIN, and look where we are. They want to drop another huge economic bomb on the Average Joe/Jane again? They want to up our taxes again for THAT? We don't pay enough taxes yet? What are we getting for all these taxes we pay? The strongest military on Earth? Iraq and Afghanistan have them so bogged down they can't handle anything else, and the President has to hire a private army at huge expense to "help out," aka Blackwater and the like. The National Guard had to be called in so they aren't here at home when hurricanes and tornadoes and fires come. Great health care? You still have to wait to schedule anything life-threatening, and an awful; lot of emergency rooms have long waits. What is this, Canada? Nope, the Canadians don't get bad credit because they don't get billed. Ever looked at how much is deducted from your check stub every pay day for health "insurance?"? I know it's about a $1,000.00 a month plus for me. Great schools? Ever seen our latests rankings against the rest of the world? How thrilled are teachers with things these days? You know, the people who actually know how to teach? How much cash do you have left to save for retirement or buy Christmas and birthday presents of late? What? You've been buying those on your credit cards but they're all maxed out now? Isn't consumerism and a government run by "fiscal deregulators" grand? They think government sucks, and they are running it in a fashion meant to prove it. To hell with anyone hungry or homeless, or needing an education so they can be productive. The "mentally disabled?" They got put out on the streets in the 1980's. Don't look too close at that pile of reeking old clothes in the alley, America. The physically disabled? I have friends who are fighting chronic illnesses that are being treated like dirt and left without medications or food left right and sideways these last few years. Got great jobs America? How's the fast food and discount store market doing ya? Hey, didn't you used to work at the factory down the street? Too bad they moved production to Taiwan/Mexico/China/Korea/Vietnam - yep, Vietnam. I have shirts made there. These days, I'm pleasantly shocked when I can find a product with "made in the USA" on its label. I still wonder about the parts that went into it, if its anything nearly complicated to have parts. Guess you'll have to drive that hour or two into the city, if you can find something there that covers your gasoline costs. Or you can go on the train and spend double the time in transit unless you're lucky enough to live right on top of the tracks. Got a clean environment? Living polar bears or any fish in the oceans? Fish you can eat more than once a week without getting mercury poisoning? I could go on and on, but "privatization" and "free markets" have brought us to the point where the only American companies making any money are defense contractors and oil companies. All this, and the bosses want to drop economic Armageddon on us if we don't all fork over about $3,000.00? - just for starters, might be more. I don't think so. How about we all do this - stop paying that mortgage that is eating half or more of your paycheck. Just cut it out, stop sending the checks. Cancel the homeowners' insurance, the car insurance, the health insurance. Don't drive a friggin' mile you don't have to. Stop paying credit card bills. Don't buy a dang thing you don't absolutely have to in order to eat and keep from freezing. Turn the thermostat way down or burn wood. Turn the TV's off, unplug anything you don't have to keep running. Burn candles unless you really need a big light. Hey, tea lights are romantic. Let's all develop Great Depression consumption habits before they hand us the official version. As your surviving Grandparents for tips. They'll love that you finally had some time to spend with them. You see, we the Average Joes 'n Janes could drop an economy bomb too. They just don't believe we could all get together enough to do it. How about, if Wall Street gets a debt reset on us, we get a debt reset too? Every loan, globally, at every level, is wiped out. Reset the entire friggin' WORLD'S balance sheets, or else. Hey, and while your at it, knock off all the BS fees, give us hand-counted paper elections reporting at the precinct level with citizen observers guaranteed seating at the counts, utterly divested media, and a cap on taxation of 5% Federal, 5% state, and 5% local, period, that's all they get and in sales taxes only. Nobody owes anyone a friggin' penny, let alone a dime. What do you think, Cats - can we make a herd and whup this mess? Oh, and throw in a good night's sleep at least twice a week while they're at it. It's time we got our "ruling-class leaders" to get it: they need to KISS OUR CLASS. Dan Stafford _______________________________________________ CitizensTruth mailing list CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth website: http://citizenstruth.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From edward_rynearson at yahoo.com Sat Sep 27 23:25:39 2008 From: edward_rynearson at yahoo.com (Edward Rynearson) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:25:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CitizensTruth] Radio Du Jour Update: September 20, 2008 Message-ID: <495668.59080.qm@web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Radio Du Jour Update: September 20, 2008 Saturday, September 27, 2008 Robert Fisk, author, Middle East expert and correspondent for the Independent of London, is interviewed in-studio by Dennis Bernstein, and discusses the tense situation at the Afghan-Pakistan border as US aggression continues, and the case of Sami al-Haj, an Al Jazeera cameraman who was beaten, abused and humiliated at the US detention facility at Guantanomo in the name of the war on terror. http://www.radiodujour.com/people/fisk_robert/ Friday, September 26, 2008 PressTV - Truth to the 9/11 Conspiracy Theories? http://www.radiodujour.com/presstv_forum.html Thursday, September 25, 2008 Alex Jones talks to David Ray Griffin about the current state of the 9/11 truth movement, how far we've come and how far we have to go taking the message mainstream. http://www.radiodujour.com/people/griffin_david_ray/ Amy Goodman speaks with Naomi Klein who says the public should be wary of the Bush administration trying to use the crisis to push through more of the radical pro-corporate policies that helped cause it in the first place. http://www.radiodujour.com/people/klein_naomi/ Wednesday, September 24, 2008 Democracy Now! host Amy Goodman covers the army?s new homeland mission to patrol U.S. streets and control unruly civilians with ?non-lethal? weaponry. http://www.radiodujour.com/people/goodman_amy/ Tuesday, September 23, 2008 Chris Burnett talks to former UL employee Kevin Ryan about the recent NIST public pronouncements of how WTC7 fell and how previously unknown phenomenon were responsible for its miraculous free fall collapse. http://www.radiodujour.com/people/ryan_kevin/ Monday, September 22, 2008 Alex Jones talks to Jim Marrs on the Sunday Edition of the Alex Jones Show about the genesis of the Nazis and just how far the Bush (crime) family rabbit hole goes. http://www.radiodujour.com/people/marrs_jim/ Sunday, September 21, 2008 Naomi Klein explains how the bailout of Wall Street?s largest players by the federal government is just another example of the Bush administration pursuing a corporate agenda at the expense of average Americans. http://www.radiodujour.com/people/klein_naomi/ ------------------------------ Please also visit: ------------------------------ They no longer believed that James Earl Ray was the killer. For their peace of mind, for an accurate record of history, and out of a sense of justice they conducted a two decade long investigation. The evidence they uncovered was put before a jury in Memphis, TN, in November 1999. 70 witnesses testified under oath, 4,000 pages of transcripts described that evidence, much of it new. It took the jury 59 minutes to come back with their decision that exonerated James Earl Ray, who had already died in prison. The jury found that Lloyd Jowers, owner of Jim?s Grill, had participated in a conspiracy to kill King. The evidence showed that the conspiracy included J. Edgar Hoover and the FBI, Richard Helms and the CIA, the military, the Memphis police department, and organized crime." http://www.actofstate.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com Sun Sep 28 13:35:10 2008 From: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com (Geri Perry) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:35:10 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] coup d'etat: A financial controlled demolition orchestrated by a criminal syndicate Message-ID: <48DFC04E.5090207@thetwofacesofmoney.com> FIRST my Comment: It doesn't have to be this way if we require to Congress to finally assume it's duty to issue debt "free" money, with at least half of the newly created money coming about to serve the needs of local governments - ending pork as we know it. but maybe we'll have to fire Congress first: http://firecongress.org/ Extrapolated points from below online interviews: We're talking about the hi-jacking of the American financial system, a coup d'etat with massive money laundering run by a criminal syndicate that should be prosecuted under RICO. This manufactured crisis represents a controlled demolition of the US financial system in which, like 9-11, none of the incriminating evidence will see the light of day. The crisis is REAL, the only choice we regular folks have is to suffer in a big way now, or to stretch it out for a while. (OR we could demand Constitutional debt free money http://www.thetwofacesofmoney.com/index.php/Site/MonetaryReformProposals ) This is a global game in which one country is played off against another and regular citizens are patsies. When China began to put out word that it would begin to dump US dollars, Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae were bailed out. Bondholders in China remained whole, while US shareholders got nothing. Interestingly enough, Lehman Bros. was allowed to fail, and it coincidentally had a few hundred billion dollars worth of bonds with Hugo Chavez of Venezuela. What Paulson wants, and will likely get, is immunity and a "giant laundry mat" due to a "neutered" Senate and Congress, and a citizenry abused not only by a Congress - who in combination fail to enforce the Constitution or stand up to the administration - but also by a corporate media with no interest in serving the needs of the people. http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Find-Freedom.htm?At=038809&From=News and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvHq2hMNz9M From mincam2 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 28 18:20:04 2008 From: mincam2 at yahoo.com (Chuck Minne) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 15:20:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CitizensTruth] A Plan - A Real Good Plan In-Reply-To: <48DFC04E.5090207@thetwofacesofmoney.com> Message-ID: <372632.80223.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: The Birk Economic Recovery Plan Hi Pals, I'm against the $85,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG. Instead, I'm in favor of giving $85,000,000,000 to America in a We Deserve It Dividend. To make the math simple, let's assume there are 200,000,000 bonafide U.S. Citizens 18+. Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman and child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up.. So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billion that equals $425,000.00. My plan is to give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a We Deserve It Dividend. Of course, it would NOT be tax free. So let's assume a tax rate of 30%. Every individual 18+ has to pay $127,500.00 in taxes. That sends $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam. But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket. A husband and wife has $595,000.00. What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your family? Pay off your mortgage - housing crisis solved. Repay college loans - what a great boost to new grads Put away money for college - it'll be there Save in a bank - create money to loan to entrepreneurs. Buy a new car - create jobs Invest in the market - capital drives growth Pay for your parent's medical insurance - health care improves Enable Deadbeat Dads to come clean - or else Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+ including the folks who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other company that is cutting back. And of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces. If we're going to re-distribute wealth let's really do it...instead of trickling out a puny $1000.00 ( "vote buy" ) economic incentive that is being proposed by one of our candidates for President. If we're going to do an $85 billion bailout, let's bail out every adult U S Citizen 18+! As for AIG - liquidate it. Sell off its parts. Let American General go back to being American General. Sell off the real estate. Let the private sector bargain hunters cut it up and clean it up. Here's my rationale. We deserve it and AIG doesn't. Sure it's a crazy idea that can "never work." But can you imagine the Coast-To-Coast Block Party! How do you spell Economic Boom? I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85 Billion We Deserve It Dividend more than I do the geniuses at AIG or in Washington DC . And remember, The Birk plan only really costs $59.5 Billion because $25.5 Billion is returned instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam. Ahhh...I feel so much better getting that off my chest. Kindest personal regards, Birk T. J. Birkenmeier, A Creative Guy & Citizen of the Republic PS: Feel free to pass this along to your pals as it's either good for a laugh or a tear or a very sobering thought on how to best use $85 Billion!! "They no longer believed that James Earl Ray was the killer. For their peace of mind, for an accurate record of history, and out of a sense of justice they conducted a two decade long investigation. The evidence they uncovered was put before a jury in Memphis, TN, in November 1999. 70 witnesses testified under oath, 4,000 pages of transcripts described that evidence, much of it new. It took the jury 59 minutes to come back with their decision that exonerated James Earl Ray, who had already died in prison. The jury found that Lloyd Jowers, owner of Jim?s Grill, had participated in a conspiracy to kill King. The evidence showed that the conspiracy included J. Edgar Hoover and the FBI, Richard Helms and the CIA, the military, the Memphis police department, and organized crime." ? http://www.actofstate.org --- On Sun, 9/28/08, Geri Perry wrote: From: Geri Perry Subject: [CitizensTruth] coup d'etat: A financial controlled demolition orchestrated by a criminal syndicate To: "Citizens Truth" Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 12:35 PM FIRST my Comment: It doesn't have to be this way if we require to Congress to finally assume it's duty to issue debt "free" money, with at least half of the newly created money coming about to serve the needs of local governments - ending pork as we know it. but maybe we'll have to fire Congress first: http://firecongress.org/ Extrapolated points from below online interviews: We're talking about the hi-jacking of the American financial system, a coup d'etat with massive money laundering run by a criminal syndicate that should be prosecuted under RICO. This manufactured crisis represents a controlled demolition of the US financial system in which, like 9-11, none of the incriminating evidence will see the light of day. The crisis is REAL, the only choice we regular folks have is to suffer in a big way now, or to stretch it out for a while. (OR we could demand Constitutional debt free money http://www.thetwofacesofmoney.com/index.php/Site/MonetaryReformProposals ) This is a global game in which one country is played off against another and regular citizens are patsies. When China began to put out word that it would begin to dump US dollars, Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae were bailed out. Bondholders in China remained whole, while US shareholders got nothing. Interestingly enough, Lehman Bros. was allowed to fail, and it coincidentally had a few hundred billion dollars worth of bonds with Hugo Chavez of Venezuela. What Paulson wants, and will likely get, is immunity and a "giant laundry mat" due to a "neutered" Senate and Congress, and a citizenry abused not only by a Congress - who in combination fail to enforce the Constitution or stand up to the administration - but also by a corporate media with no interest in serving the needs of the people. http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Find-Freedom.htm?At=038809&From=News and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvHq2hMNz9M _______________________________________________ CitizensTruth mailing list CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth website: http://citizenstruth.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mincam2 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 28 18:46:07 2008 From: mincam2 at yahoo.com (Chuck Minne) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 15:46:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CitizensTruth] =?utf-8?b?UGFsaW4gV2VkZGluZzog4oCcSXTigJlzIGEg?= =?utf-8?q?shotgun_wedding=2E_She_kills_things=2C=E2=80=9D_the_source_joke?= =?utf-8?q?d=2E?= In-Reply-To: <48DFC04E.5090207@thetwofacesofmoney.com> Message-ID: <884717.95529.qm@web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4837644.ece ? September 28, 2008 McCain camp prays for Palin wedding The marriage of the vice-presidential candidate?s pregnant teenage daughter could lift a flagging campaign Sarah Baxter in Washington ? div#related-article-links p a, div#related-article-links p a:visited { color:#06c; } In an election campaign notable for its surprises, Sarah Palin, the Republican vice- presidential candidate, may be about to spring a new one ? the wedding of her pregnant teenage daughter to her ice-hockey-playing fianc? before the November 4 election. ? Inside John McCain?s campaign the expectation is growing that there will be a popularity boosting pre-election wedding in Alaska between Bristol Palin, 17, and Levi Johnston, 18, her schoolmate and father of her baby. ?It would be fantastic,? said a McCain insider. ?You would have every TV camera there. The entire country would be watching. It would shut down the race for a week.? ? There is already some urgency to the wedding as Bristol, who is six months pregnant, may not want to walk down the aisle too close to her date of delivery. She turns 18 on October 18, a respectable age for a bride ? and the same age as Barack Obama?s pregnant mother when she married his Kenyan father. The Democrat has already declared Bristol?s private life off-limits as far as his campaign is concerned. ? The selection of Palin, 44, the moose-hunting governor of Alaska, as his running mate was one of McCain?s biggest gambles. It paid off handsomely at first, but she could benefit from a fresh injection of homespun authenticity, the hallmark of her style, provided by her daughter?s wedding after appearing out of depth away from her home state. Related Links Cool Obama wins on points Sarah's human touch is pure gold for Brown McCain and Obama slug it out on Iraq and the economy David Letterman, the late-night television chat show host, joked that Palin?s meetings with world leaders at the United Nations in New York looked like ?take your daughter to work day?. ? In a series of heavily criticised interviews with Katie Couric of CBS News, she fumbled her points about Alaska?s proximity to Russia and sounded like an over-crammed, under-informed student. Palin was stumped when Couric asked her to provide examples of McCain?s proposals for reforming the banking industry. ?I?ll try to find some and I?ll bring them to you,? she said eventually. Republicans are quailing in advance of one of her biggest tests of the election, her televised debate with Joe Biden, the Democratic vice-presidential nominee, on Thursday in St Louis, Missouri. ? The conservative commentator Kathleen Parker, an early admirer, shocked McCain supporters late last week by calling on Palin to withdraw. ?My cringe reflex is exhausted,? she wrote in National Review Online, a conservative journal. ?Palin?s recent interviews . . . all revealed an attractive, earnest, confident candidate. Who Is Clearly Out of Her League.? ? Parker advised Palin to ?save McCain, her party and the country she loves? by announcing that she wanted to spend more time with Trig, her five-month-old Down?s syndrome baby: ?No one would criticise a mother who puts her family first.? ? The Republicans? Palin ?bounce? ended last week as concern for the plunging economy mounted. Obama ended the week four points ahead of McCain on 48% to 44% in the RealClearPolitics poll of polls. A Rasmussen survey showed that McCain?s lead among white women voters slipped to two points, as opposed to 14 points for George W Bush in 2004. ? However, Palin has a remarkable ability to galvanise the evangelical voters and social conservatives who form the Republican base. The party boasted last week that it will probably surpass its fundraising goal of $100m for September anHowever, Palin has a remarkable ability to galvanise the evangelical d October. Much of it is because of the grassroots enthusiasm for Palin, boosted by her decision to have Trig and to support her pregnant daughter. ? McCain is expected to have a front-row seat at Bristol?s wedding and to benefit from the outpouring of goodwill that it could bring. ?What?s the downside?? a source inside the McCain campaign said. ?It would be wonderful. I don?t know that there has ever been a pre-election wedding before.? ? When McCain picked Palin as his running mate, Bristol?s pregnancy was regarded as a potential liability with voters. The idea was to keep her condition quiet initially. However, rumours quickly surfaced that Trig was Bristol?s son. News that Bristol was pregnant, making it a near-biological impossibility for her to be Trig?s mother, had to be rushed out. Johnston was greeted with a handshake and friendly slap on the back by McCain in St Paul, Minnesota, and treated as a member of the family during the Republican national convention when he appeared on stage after Palin?s speech. ? The ice-hockey player wrote on his MySpace page he was a ?f****** redneck? and stated, ?I don?t want kids.? But a McCain insider predicted he would marry Bristol whenever his future mother-in-law wanted. ?It?s a shotgun wedding. She kills things,? the source joked. ? The McCain campaign is divided over how to handle Palin?s appearances, which have been so limited and over-rehearsed that last week Campbell Brown, a CNN anchor, accused it of sexism. ?Stop treating Sarah Palin like she is a delicate flower who will wilt at any moment,? she said. ?If she were a man, would we be putting up with this? . . . Would she be coddled this way, cloistered this way? I don?t think so.? ? Inside McCain?s camp, aides are arguing over the benefits of ?letting Sarah be Sarah?. Some officials believe her appeal to voters is such that it would be worth risking a few gaffes in exchange for letting her personality shine through. ? The question will assume particular importance when she faces Biden, 65, in debate. The chairman of the Senate foreign relations committee has already come up with a multitude of gaffes, from asking a wheelchair-bound man to stand up at one of his rallies to admitting that Hillary Clinton ?might have been a better pick? for vice-president, without any seeming ill-effect. ? McCain officials believe that Palin?s underdog status gives her a chance to shine. ?Joe Biden is going to have to destroy her for it to be perceived as a victory for him,? said an aide. "They no longer believed that James Earl Ray was the killer. For their peace of mind, for an accurate record of history, and out of a sense of justice they conducted a two decade long investigation. The evidence they uncovered was put before a jury in Memphis, TN, in November 1999. 70 witnesses testified under oath, 4,000 pages of transcripts described that evidence, much of it new. It took the jury 59 minutes to come back with their decision that exonerated James Earl Ray, who had already died in prison. The jury found that Lloyd Jowers, owner of Jim?s Grill, had participated in a conspiracy to kill King. The evidence showed that the conspiracy included J. Edgar Hoover and the FBI, Richard Helms and the CIA, the military, the Memphis police department, and organized crime." ? http://www.actofstate.org "They no longer believed that James Earl Ray was the killer. For their peace of mind, for an accurate record of history, and out of a sense of justice they conducted a two decade long investigation. The evidence they uncovered was put before a jury in Memphis, TN, in November 1999. 70 witnesses testified under oath, 4,000 pages of transcripts described that evidence, much of it new. It took the jury 59 minutes to come back with their decision that exonerated James Earl Ray, who had already died in prison. The jury found that Lloyd Jowers, owner of Jim?s Grill, had participated in a conspiracy to kill King. The evidence showed that the conspiracy included J. Edgar Hoover and the FBI, Richard Helms and the CIA, the military, the Memphis police department, and organized crime." ? http://www.actofstate.org --- On Sun, 9/28/08, Geri Perry wrote: From: Geri Perry Subject: [CitizensTruth] coup d'etat: A financial controlled demolition orchestrated by a criminal syndicate To: "Citizens Truth" Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 12:35 PM FIRST my Comment: It doesn't have to be this way if we require to Congress to finally assume it's duty to issue debt "free" money, with at least half of the newly created money coming about to serve the needs of local governments - ending pork as we know it. but maybe we'll have to fire Congress first: http://firecongress.org/ Extrapolated points from below online interviews: We're talking about the hi-jacking of the American financial system, a coup d'etat with massive money laundering run by a criminal syndicate that should be prosecuted under RICO. This manufactured crisis represents a controlled demolition of the US financial system in which, like 9-11, none of the incriminating evidence will see the light of day. The crisis is REAL, the only choice we regular folks have is to suffer in a big way now, or to stretch it out for a while. (OR we could demand Constitutional debt free money http://www.thetwofacesofmoney.com/index.php/Site/MonetaryReformProposals ) This is a global game in which one country is played off against another and regular citizens are patsies. When China began to put out word that it would begin to dump US dollars, Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae were bailed out. Bondholders in China remained whole, while US shareholders got nothing. Interestingly enough, Lehman Bros. was allowed to fail, and it coincidentally had a few hundred billion dollars worth of bonds with Hugo Chavez of Venezuela. What Paulson wants, and will likely get, is immunity and a "giant laundry mat" due to a "neutered" Senate and Congress, and a citizenry abused not only by a Congress - who in combination fail to enforce the Constitution or stand up to the administration - but also by a corporate media with no interest in serving the needs of the people. http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Find-Freedom.htm?At=038809&From=News and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvHq2hMNz9M _______________________________________________ CitizensTruth mailing list CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth website: http://citizenstruth.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's still a better idea that what we're getting, though. -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Minne [SMTP:mincam2 at yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 17:20 To: Citizens Truth Subject: [CitizensTruth] A Plan - A Real Good Plan Subject: The Birk Economic Recovery Plan Hi Pals, I'm against the $85,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG. Instead, I'm in favor of giving $85,000,000,000 to America in a We Deserve It Dividend. To make the math simple, let's assume there are 200,000,000 bonafide U.S. Citizens 18+. Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman and child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up.. So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billion that equals $425,000.00. My plan is to give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a We Deserve It Dividend. Of course, it would NOT be tax free. So let's assume a tax rate of 30%. Every individual 18+ has to pay $127,500.00 in taxes. That sends $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam. But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket. A husband and wife has $595,000.00. What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your family? Pay off your mortgage - housing crisis solved. Repay college loans - what a great boost to new grads Put away money for college - it'll be there Save in a bank - create money to loan to entrepreneurs. Buy a new car - create jobs Invest in the market - capital drives growth Pay for your parent's medical insurance - health care improves Enable Deadbeat Dads to come clean - or else Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+ including the folks who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other company that is cutting back. And of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces. If we're going to re-distribute wealth let's really do it...instead of trickling out a puny $1000.00 ( "vote buy" ) economic incentive that is being proposed by one of our candidates for President. If we're going to do an $85 billion bailout, let's bail out every adult U S Citizen 18+! As for AIG - liquidate it. Sell off its parts. Let American General go back to being American General. Sell off the real estate. Let the private sector bargain hunters cut it up and clean it up. Here's my rationale. We deserve it and AIG doesn't. Sure it's a crazy idea that can "never work." But can you imagine the Coast-To-Coast Block Party! How do you spell Economic Boom? I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85 Billion We Deserve It Dividend more than I do the geniuses at AIG or in Washington DC . And remember, The Birk plan only really costs $59.5 Billion because $25.5 Billion is returned instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam. Ahhh...I feel so much better getting that off my chest. Kindest personal regards, Birk T. J. Birkenmeier, A Creative Guy & Citizen of the Republic PS: Feel free to pass this along to your pals as it's either good for a laugh or a tear or a very sobering thought on how to best use $85 Billion!! "They no longer believed that James Earl Ray was the killer. For their peace of mind, for an accurate record of history, and out of a sense of justice they conducted a two decade long investigation. The evidence they uncovered was put before a jury in Memphis, TN, in November 1999. 70 witnesses testified under oath, 4,000 pages of transcripts described that evidence, much of it new. It took the jury 59 minutes to come back with their decision that exonerated James Earl Ray, who had already died in prison. The jury found that Lloyd Jowers, owner of Jimcs Grill, had participated in a conspiracy to kill King. The evidence showed that the conspiracy included J. Edgar Hoover and the FBI, Richard Helms and the CIA, the military, the Memphis police department, and organized crime." http://www.actofstate.org --- On Sun, 9/28/08, Geri Perry wrote: From: Geri Perry Subject: [CitizensTruth] coup d'etat: A financial controlled demolition orchestrated by a criminal syndicate To: "Citizens Truth" Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 12:35 PM FIRST my Comment: It doesn't have to be this way if we require to Congress to finally assume it's duty to issue debt "free" money, with at least half of the newly created money coming about to serve the needs of local governments - ending pork as we know it. but maybe we'll have to fire Congress first: http://firecongress.org/ Extrapolated points from below online interviews: We're talking about the hi-jacking of the American financial system, a coup d'etat with massive money laundering run by a criminal syndicate that should be prosecuted under RICO. This manufactured crisis represents a controlled demolition of the US financial system in which, like 9-11, none of the incriminating evidence will see the light of day. The crisis is REAL, the only choice we regular folks have is to suffer in a big way now, or to stretch it out for a while. (OR we could demand Constitutional debt free money http://www.thetwofacesofmoney.com/index.php/Site/MonetaryReformProposals ) This is a global game in which one country is played off against another and regular citizens are patsies. When China began to put out word that it would begin to dump US dollars, Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae were bailed out. Bondholders in China remained whole, while US shareholders got nothing. Interestingly enough, Lehman Bros. was allowed to fail, and it coincidentally had a few hundred billion dollars worth of bonds with Hugo Chavez of Venezuela. What Paulson wants, and will likely get, is immunity and a "giant laundry mat" due to a "neutered" Senate and Congress, and a citizenry abused not only by a Congress - who in combination fail to enforce the Constitution or stand up to the administration - but also by a corporate media with no interest in serving the needs of the people. http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Find-Freedom.htm?At=038809&From=News and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvHq2hMNz9M _______________________________________________ CitizensTruth mailing list CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth website: http://citizenstruth.info << File: ATT00066.htm; charset = iso-8859-7 >> << File: ATT00067.txt >> From mincam2 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 28 22:52:59 2008 From: mincam2 at yahoo.com (Chuck Minne) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:52:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CitizensTruth] Dream Speech In-Reply-To: <01C921A5.37586470.rmigalla@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <805241.82951.qm@web36906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I recorded the first McCain/Obama debate and I just finished watching it and it made me want to puke by the time I was done. To hear them talk about Iraq, 9/11, Al Qaeda, and bin Laden was nauseating to me. It was to be expected from McCain (who did better than I thought,) but to hear Obama jump on the party line was just sickening. ? I know it is just a dream, but I would love it if one of them had said: ? "Well, I want to tell the American people that WE were the instigators of 9/11. WE got bin Laden to help us. WE wanted the wars in Afghanistan in Iraq. WE used 9/11 first as the excuse to go after the Taliban in Afghanistan? because WE wanted to make sure that the 2001 poppy crop got planted after the Taliban destroyed the 2000 poppy crop and?its resulting billion-dollar heroin drug profits. (Afghan heroin production?for?2000 was around 3,000 tons,?for 2001 it was 174 tons, 2002 was a record 3,700 tons after we set the drug lords free.) ? "WE supported the recent?GEORGIAN bombing of its own populace so WE could go in and secure a pipeline. WE wanted an excuse to enact the Patriot Act and all its accompanying destruction of constitutional guarantees. I want you to know that EVERYTHING, ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING, that we have done in the name of 9/11 and fighting this phony terrorism war is BULLSHIT. ? This is the first time that anyone has told you, the American people, the truth. And if you think I'm crazy, answer one simple question: How, other than by the use of an oxidizing explosive such as thermite, can you explain MOLTEN IRON lasting for over four weeks in the basement of WTC Building 7, which was flooded with fire-fighters' water and not hit by an aircraft? (Molten iron lasted a similar time in the basements of WTC1 and WTC2.) ? "Now get ready for my assassination." ? How much of that speech do you think would have been aired before a "technical difficulty" blacked it out? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You can get some idea from the slides, starting with #49. http://citizenstruth.info/denial-talk/mgp00049.html There is a constellation, including 9/11, PATRIOT Act, Homeland Security formed, wire-tapping, torture U.S. credit collapse, foreclosures, the bail-out PTSD, shock and awe, victims of war anywhere economic shock therapy dating back to Pinochet-Friedman era in Chile Understanding the mechanisms of shock prepares us for the future. Information, solidarity, compassion, and clarity are needed more than ever. There's a very good short film done after The Shock Doctrine came out. http://bluegrassfilmsociety.blogspot.com/2007/09/alfonso-cuarn-and- naomi-klein-cias-love.html AT A CARDIAC ARREST, THE FIRST PROCEDURE IS TO TAKE YOUR OWN PULSE. - Samuel Shem, The House of God -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From aqmstaffo at mailbag.com Mon Sep 29 21:07:05 2008 From: aqmstaffo at mailbag.com (Daniel Stafford) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 20:07:05 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Thom Hartmann: How Wall Street Can Bail Itself Out Without Destroying The Dollar (Or repeating history even further - DS) Message-ID: <48E17BB9.4070101@mailbag.com> Note from Dan: I've often found Thom Hartmann to make an awful lot of sense on economic policy. See if you agree http://www.opednews.com/articles/How-Wall-Street-Can-Bail-I-by-Thom-Hartmann-080929-780.html /Published on Friday, September 26, 2008 by/ /CommonDreams.org/ *How Wall Street Can Bail Itself Out Without Destroying The Dollar* *by Thom Hartmann* For Grover "Drown Government In The Bathtub" Norquist, this bailout deal will work out very well. At a proposed cost of $4,780 per taxpayer, it'll further the David Stockman strategy of so indebting us that the next president won't have the luxury of even thinking of new social spending (expanding health care, social security, education, infrastructure, etc.); taxes will even have to be raised just to pay for the bailout. It'll debase our currency, driving up commodity prices and interest rates, which will benefit the Investor Class while further impoverishing the pesky Middle Class, rendering them less prone to protest (because they're so busy working trying to pay off their debt). It'll create stagflation for at least the next half decade, which can be blamed on Democrats who currently control Congress and, should Obama be elected, be blamed on him. But there's another way: Create an agency to fund the bailout, loan that agency the money from the treasury, and then have that agency tax Wall Street to pay us (the treasury) back. It's been done before, and has several benefits. In the United Kingdom, for example, whenever you buy or sell a share of stock (or a credit swap or a derivative, or any other activity of that sort) you pay a small tax on the transaction. We did the same thing here in the US from 1914 to 1966 (and, before that, we did it to finance the Spanish American War and the Civil War). For us, this Securities Turnover Excise Tax (STET) was a revenue source. For example, if we were to instate a .25 percent STET (tax) on every stock, swap, derivitive, or other trade today, it would produce - in its first year - around $150 billion in revenue. Wall Street would be generating the money to fund its own bailout. (For comparison, as best I can determine, the UK's STET is .25 percent, and Taiwan just dropped theirs from .60 to .30 percent.) But there are other benefits. As John Maynard Keynes pointed out in his seminal economics tome, The General Theory of Employment, Interest, and Money in 1936, such a securities transaction tax would have the effect of "mitigating the predominance of speculation over enterprise." In other words, it would tamp down toxic speculation, while encouraging healthy investment. The reason is pretty straightforward: When there's no cost to trading, there's no cost to gambling. The current system is like going to a casino where the house never takes anything; a gambler's paradise. Without costs to the transaction, people of large means are encourage to speculate - to, for example, buy a million shares of a particular stock over a day or two purely with the goal of driving up the stock's price (because everybody else sees all the buying activity and thinks they should jump onto the bandwagon) so three days down the road they can sell all their stock at a profit and get out before it collapses as the result of their sale. (We ironically call the outcome of this "market volatility.") Investment, on the other hand, is what happens when people buy stock because they believe the company has an underlying value. They're expecting the value will increase over time because the company has a good product or service and good management. Investment stabilizes markets, makes stock prices reflect real company values, and helps small investors securely build value over time. Historically, from the founding of our country until the last century, most people invested rather than speculated. When rules limiting speculation were cut during the first big Republican deregulation binge during the administrations of Warren Harding, Calvin Coolidge, and Herbert Hoover (1921-1933), it created a speculative fever that led directly to the housing bubble of the early 20s (which started in Florida, where property values were going up as much as 70 percent per year, and then spread nationwide, only to burst nationally starting in 1927 as housing values began to collapse), then the falling housing market popped the stock market bubble and produced the great stock market crash of 1929. That speculation aggregated enormous wealth in a very few hands, crashed the housing and stock markets, and produced the Republican Great Depression of 1930-1942. Franklin D. Roosevelt, as part of the New Deal, put into place a series of rules to discourage speculation and promote investment, including maintaining - and doubling - the Securities Transaction Excise Tax. Other countries followed our lead, and the UK, France, Japan, Germany, Italy, Greece, Australia, France, China, Chile, Malaysia, India, Austria, and Belgium have all had or have STETs. Perhaps the most important benefit of immediately re-instituting a STET in the USA, however, isn't that it would raise enough money to bail out the banks and billionaires (and after that crisis is covered, could pay for a national health care system), or that it would encourage investment and calm down markets. Those are all strong benefits, and absent the current Republican Administration bailout proposal would stand-alone strongly. But the Republican Bush Administration is currently suggesting that we borrow $700 billion (or more) from China and Saudi Arabia and other countries and investors, add that to our national debt, and repay it with interest (making the actual cost over the next 20 years over $1.4 trillion). This is what Republican Herbert Hoover tried in 1931 when he first created the Reconstruction Finance Corporation (later totally reinvented by FDR) to bail out the banks in 1931. Hoover's RFC bailed out the bankers, paid off huge salaries in the banking and investment world, bought him a few months (maybe that's the real goal of the Bush/McCain Republicans now - just hold things together until after the elections), but ultimately led to the failure within two years of virtually all the banks in the United States. The bailout failed. Similarly, in 1998 the Japanese banks were facing a serious crisis of liquidity as the result of a bursting housing bubble in that country. The Japanese government used public funds to re-float a number of large banks that year, and it similarly failed. In one example out of dozens, in 1998 135 billion Yen were given from public tax funds to Ashikaga Financial Group, but the company limped along for a few years and in November of 2003 collapsed again, requiring a second infusion of a trillion yen from public coffers. And, as the BBC reported in a 30 November 2003 article ("Japan Bank Bail-Out 'A One-Off'"): "But experts warn that Ashikaga could be just the tip of the iceberg." Professor of Finance at Tokyo University Takehisa Hayashi said, "It will come as no surprise if we see another Ashikaga case in the near future." And they did. Japan continues to limp along, as a result of bailing out banks rather than fixing structural problems. (At least the Japanese had enough savings to use their own money, instead of debt, to bail out their banks.) So bailouts don't work, and never have. And they also have the side effects of damaging a nation's credit, sucking up its taxpayers resources, and (when done with debt) weakening its currency. So let's go back to what we know works. After Hoover's 1931 bailout of the banks failed, FDR did a cold reboot of the entire system, putting into place strong rules to prevent speculative abuse. And he doubled the STET tax, both producing revenue that more than funded the Securities and Exchange Commission and further prevented a repeat of the speculative bubble of the 1920s that led directly to the Republican Great Depression. We've done it before. We financed the Spanish American War and partially financed the Civil War, WWI, and WWII with STETs. We stabilized our stock market with a STET from the mid-30s to 1966, and other nations are doing it today. It's time to do it again, this time using the STET so tax Wall Street can pay for its own bailout. /Thom Hartmann (thom at thomhartmann.com ) is a Project Censored Award-winning New York Times best-selling author, and host of a nationally syndicated daily progressive talk program on the Air America Radio Network./ /www.thomhartmann.com/ / His most recent books are "//The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight," "/ /Unequal Protection: The Rise of Corporate Dominance and the Theft of Human Rights," "/ /We The People: A Call To Take Back America," "/ /What Would Jefferson Do?," "/ /Screwed: The Undeclared War Against the Middle Class and What We Can Do About It," and "/ /Cracking The Code: The Art and Science of Political Persuasion."/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mincam2 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 29 21:18:12 2008 From: mincam2 at yahoo.com (Chuck Minne) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:18:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CitizensTruth] The $612 billion expenditure that no one wants to mention. In-Reply-To: <48E17BB9.4070101@mailbag.com> Message-ID: <387588.82074.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This is excerpted from an article that can be found in full at: http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/174982/chalmers_johnson_the_pentagon_bailout_fraud ? ? On Wednesday, September 24th, right in the middle of the fight over billions of taxpayer dollars slated to bail out Wall Street, the House of Representatives passed a $612 billion defense authorization bill for 2009 without a murmur of public protest or any meaningful press comment at all. (The New York Times gave the matter only three short paragraphs buried in a story about another appropriations measure.) ? The defense bill includes $68.6 billion to pursue the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, which is only a down-payment on the full yearly cost of these wars. (The rest will be raised through future supplementary bills.) It also included a 3.9% pay raise for military personnel, and $5 billion in pork-barrel projects not even requested by the administration or the secretary of defense. It also fully funds the Pentagon's request for a radar site in the Czech Republic, a hare-brained scheme sure to infuriate the Russians just as much as a Russian missile base in Cuba once infuriated us. The whole bill passed by a vote of 392-39 and will fly through the Senate, where a similar bill has already been approved. And no one will even think to mention it in the same breath with the discussion of bailout funds for dying investment banks and the like. ? This is pure waste. Our annual spending on "national security" -- meaning the defense budget plus all military expenditures hidden in the budgets for the departments of Energy, State, Treasury, Veterans Affairs, the CIA, and numerous other places in the executive branch -- already exceeds a trillion dollars, an amount larger than that of all other national defense budgets combined. Not only was there no significant media coverage of this latest appropriation, there have been no signs of even the slightest urge to inquire into the relationship between our bloated military, our staggering weapons expenditures, our extravagantly expensive failed wars abroad, and the financial catastrophe on Wall Street. ? The only Congressional "commentary" on the size of our military outlay was the usual pompous drivel about how a failure to vote for the defense authorization bill would betray our troops. The aged Senator John Warner (R-Va), former chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, implored his Republican colleagues to vote for the bill "out of respect for military personnel." He seems to be unaware that these troops are actually volunteers, not draftees, and that they joined the armed forces as a matter of career choice, rather than because the nation demanded such a sacrifice from them. ? We would better respect our armed forces by bringing the futile and misbegotten wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to an end. A relative degree of peace and order has returned to Iraq not because of President Bush's belated reinforcement of our expeditionary army there (the so-called surge), but thanks to shifting internal dynamics within Iraq and in the Middle East region generally. Such shifts include a growing awareness among Iraq's Sunni population of the need to restore law and order, a growing confidence among Iraqi Shiites of their nearly unassailable position of political influence in the country, and a growing awareness among Sunni nations that the ill-informed war of aggression the Bush administration waged against Iraq has vastly increased the influence of Shiism and Iran in the region. "They no longer believed that James Earl Ray was the killer. For their peace of mind, for an accurate record of history, and out of a sense of justice they conducted a two decade long investigation. The evidence they uncovered was put before a jury in Memphis, TN, in November 1999. 70 witnesses testified under oath, 4,000 pages of transcripts described that evidence, much of it new. It took the jury 59 minutes to come back with their decision that exonerated James Earl Ray, who had already died in prison. The jury found that Lloyd Jowers, owner of Jim?s Grill, had participated in a conspiracy to kill King. The evidence showed that the conspiracy included J. Edgar Hoover and the FBI, Richard Helms and the CIA, the military, the Memphis police department, and organized crime." ? http://www.actofstate.org --- On Mon, 9/29/08, Daniel Stafford wrote: From: Daniel Stafford Subject: [CitizensTruth] Thom Hartmann: How Wall Street Can Bail Itself Out Without Destroying The Dollar (Or repeating history even further - DS) To: "IL Progressive Dems" , "AB_Progressives" , "Progressive" , DiehardDems at yahoogroups.com, "Citizen's Truth" Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 8:07 PM Note from Dan: I've often found Thom Hartmann to make an awful lot of sense on economic policy. See if you agree http://www.opednews.com/articles/How-Wall-Street-Can-Bail-I-by-Thom-Hartmann-080929-780.html Published on Friday, September 26, 2008 by CommonDreams.org How Wall Street Can Bail Itself Out Without Destroying The Dollar by Thom Hartmann For Grover "Drown Government In The Bathtub" Norquist, this bailout deal will work out very well. At a proposed cost of $4,780 per taxpayer, it'll further the David Stockman strategy of so indebting us that the next president won't have the luxury of even thinking of new social spending (expanding health care, social security, education, infrastructure, etc.); taxes will even have to be raised just to pay for the bailout. It'll debase our currency, driving up commodity prices and interest rates, which will benefit the Investor Class while further impoverishing the pesky Middle Class, rendering them less prone to protest (because they're so busy working trying to pay off their debt). It'll create stagflation for at least the next half decade, which can be blamed on Democrats who currently control Congress and, should Obama be elected, be blamed on him. But there's another way: Create an agency to fund the bailout, loan that agency the money from the treasury, and then have that agency tax Wall Street to pay us (the treasury) back. It's been done before, and has several benefits. In the United Kingdom, for example, whenever you buy or sell a share of stock (or a credit swap or a derivative, or any other activity of that sort) you pay a small tax on the transaction. We did the same thing here in the US from 1914 to 1966 (and, before that, we did it to finance the Spanish American War and the Civil War). For us, this Securities Turnover Excise Tax (STET) was a revenue source. For example, if we were to instate a .25 percent STET (tax) on every stock, swap, derivitive, or other trade today, it would produce - in its first year - around $150 billion in revenue. Wall Street would be generating the money to fund its own bailout. (For comparison, as best I can determine, the UK's STET is .25 percent, and Taiwan just dropped theirs from .60 to .30 percent.) But there are other benefits. As John Maynard Keynes pointed out in his seminal economics tome, The General Theory of Employment, Interest, and Money in 1936, such a securities transaction tax would have the effect of "mitigating the predominance of speculation over enterprise." In other words, it would tamp down toxic speculation, while encouraging healthy investment. The reason is pretty straightforward: When there's no cost to trading, there's no cost to gambling. The current system is like going to a casino where the house never takes anything; a gambler's paradise. Without costs to the transaction, people of large means are encourage to speculate - to, for example, buy a million shares of a particular stock over a day or two purely with the goal of driving up the stock's price (because everybody else sees all the buying activity and thinks they should jump onto the bandwagon) so three days down the road they can sell all their stock at a profit and get out before it collapses as the result of their sale. (We ironically call the outcome of this "market volatility.") Investment, on the other hand, is what happens when people buy stock because they believe the company has an underlying value. They're expecting the value will increase over time because the company has a good product or service and good management. Investment stabilizes markets, makes stock prices reflect real company values, and helps small investors securely build value over time. Historically, from the founding of our country until the last century, most people invested rather than speculated. When rules limiting speculation were cut during the first big Republican deregulation binge during the administrations of Warren Harding, Calvin Coolidge, and Herbert Hoover (1921-1933), it created a speculative fever that led directly to the housing bubble of the early 20s (which started in Florida, where property values were going up as much as 70 percent per year, and then spread nationwide, only to burst nationally starting in 1927 as housing values began to collapse), then the falling housing market popped the stock market bubble and produced the great stock market crash of 1929. That speculation aggregated enormous wealth in a very few hands, crashed the housing and stock markets, and produced the Republican Great Depression of 1930-1942. Franklin D. Roosevelt, as part of the New Deal, put into place a series of rules to discourage speculation and promote investment, including maintaining - and doubling - the Securities Transaction Excise Tax. Other countries followed our lead, and the UK, France, Japan, Germany, Italy, Greece, Australia, France, China, Chile, Malaysia, India, Austria, and Belgium have all had or have STETs. Perhaps the most important benefit of immediately re-instituting a STET in the USA, however, isn't that it would raise enough money to bail out the banks and billionaires (and after that crisis is covered, could pay for a national health care system), or that it would encourage investment and calm down markets. Those are all strong benefits, and absent the current Republican Administration bailout proposal would stand-alone strongly. But the Republican Bush Administration is currently suggesting that we borrow $700 billion (or more) from China and Saudi Arabia and other countries and investors, add that to our national debt, and repay it with interest (making the actual cost over the next 20 years over $1.4 trillion). This is what Republican Herbert Hoover tried in 1931 when he first created the Reconstruction Finance Corporation (later totally reinvented by FDR) to bail out the banks in 1931. Hoover's RFC bailed out the bankers, paid off huge salaries in the banking and investment world, bought him a few months (maybe that's the real goal of the Bush/McCain Republicans now - just hold things together until after the elections), but ultimately led to the failure within two years of virtually all the banks in the United States. The bailout failed. Similarly, in 1998 the Japanese banks were facing a serious crisis of liquidity as the result of a bursting housing bubble in that country. The Japanese government used public funds to re-float a number of large banks that year, and it similarly failed. In one example out of dozens, in 1998 135 billion Yen were given from public tax funds to Ashikaga Financial Group, but the company limped along for a few years and in November of 2003 collapsed again, requiring a second infusion of a trillion yen from public coffers. And, as the BBC reported in a 30 November 2003 article ("Japan Bank Bail-Out 'A One-Off'"): "But experts warn that Ashikaga could be just the tip of the iceberg." Professor of Finance at Tokyo University Takehisa Hayashi said, "It will come as no surprise if we see another Ashikaga case in the near future." And they did. Japan continues to limp along, as a result of bailing out banks rather than fixing structural problems. (At least the Japanese had enough savings to use their own money, instead of debt, to bail out their banks.) So bailouts don't work, and never have. And they also have the side effects of damaging a nation's credit, sucking up its taxpayers resources, and (when done with debt) weakening its currency. So let's go back to what we know works. After Hoover's 1931 bailout of the banks failed, FDR did a cold reboot of the entire system, putting into place strong rules to prevent speculative abuse. And he doubled the STET tax, both producing revenue that more than funded the Securities and Exchange Commission and further prevented a repeat of the speculative bubble of the 1920s that led directly to the Republican Great Depression. We've done it before. We financed the Spanish American War and partially financed the Civil War, WWI, and WWII with STETs. We stabilized our stock market with a STET from the mid-30s to 1966, and other nations are doing it today. It's time to do it again, this time using the STET so tax Wall Street can pay for its own bailout. ? ? Thom Hartmann (thom at thomhartmann.com) is a Project Censored Award-winning New York Times best-selling author, and host of a nationally syndicated daily progressive talk program on the Air America Radio Network. www.thomhartmann.com His most recent books are "The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight," "Unequal Protection: The Rise of Corporate Dominance and the Theft of Human Rights," "We The People: A Call To Take Back America," "What Would Jefferson Do?," "Screwed: The Undeclared War Against the Middle Class and What We Can Do About It," and "Cracking The Code: The Art and Science of Political Persuasion." _______________________________________________ CitizensTruth mailing list CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth website: http://citizenstruth.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aqmstaffo at mailbag.com Tue Sep 30 10:26:10 2008 From: aqmstaffo at mailbag.com (Daniel Stafford) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:26:10 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Plan afoot to steal 2008 election again! In-Reply-To: <070A8E0BFC2D1247836B35EB8F6424291B1D07E4@EVS3.ams.gblxint.com> References: <070A8E0BFC2D1247836B35EB8F6424291B1D07E4@EVS3.ams.gblxint.com> Message-ID: <48E23702.2020100@mailbag.com> Hacker wars... Stafford, Daniel wrote: > > http://markcrispinmiller.blogspot.com/2008/09/spoonamore-reveals-plan-to-steal-next.html > > > > *Monday, September 29, 2008 * > > *SPOONAMORE REVEALS THE PLAN TO STEAL THE NEXT ELECTION > *** > > Here, in this shattering new interview, Stephen Spoonamore goes into > harrowing detail about the Bush regime's election fraud, past, present > and--if we don't spread the word right now--to come. Since he's the > only whistle-blower out there who knows the perps themselves, and how > they operate, we have to send this new piece far and wide. > > > > Here Spoon tells us that McBush's team--i.e., Karl Rove and his > henchpersons-- have their plan in place to steal this next election: > by 51.2% of the popular vote, and three electoral votes. > > > > He also talks about the major role played by the Christianist far > right in the electronic rigging of the vote. > > > > And he defines our electronic voting system as a major threat to US > national security, calling for it to be junked ASAP, in favor of > hand-counted paper ballots. > > > > Since Spoon is a Republican and erstwhile McCain supporter, as well as > a noted specialist in nosing out computer fraud, his testimony is > essential--not only for its expertise, but, no less, for the impact > that his views will surely have on those Republicans who have been > loath to see what Bush & Co. has done to our election system. > > That whole story's just about to break. In fact, tomorrow there will > be a number of articles appearing, on a recent breakthrough in the > lawsuit that Spoon's testimony has enabled, and on other aspects of > that all-important case. > > > > MCM > > > > */9/26/08:/* */ New Spoonamore > Interview - E-voting Machines are a National Security Threat/* > > > > Last week, VR interviewed GOP Cyber security expert Stephen Spoonamore > about the upcoming election and his testimony in the new Ohio > litigation to take depositions of Karl Rove and others. > > The video is posted in full below with ten short clips for You Tube > viewing. This interview is so important and explosive that we urge > everyone to watch it. > > > > Spoonamore says that the GOP wanted e-voting to steal elections but > now foreign governments will be hacking and the winner will be > determined by the best hackers. He says that if the GOP wins the > hacking competition, McCain will win 51.2 percent with three electoral > votes over Obama, and it will be a stolen election. > > > > Spoon also makes a crucial point about the people who have been > implicated in much of the election theft: "They are religious > extremists." He names those who know about stolen elections, and he > insists that the only way to protect this election is with paper > ballots, hand-counted. > > Check out this extraordinary interview here. > > > > > *http://www.velvetrevolution.us/prosecute_rove/images/SpoonIntvw3.wmv* > > *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyByZx5GEaw* It's a network, people. > *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YadsHqxid8I* Electronic voting > machines are a national security threat. > *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbxuXC4QlMk* The genie is out of the > bottle?. > *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOHkY7sJ4ZI* Fifty ways to steal an > election. > *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1--KHOo8tkM* Mike Connell: Bush IT Guru > *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJHmuG8d2bQ* The Rapp Family: Ohio > election cover-up. > *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z7DK3LgiOA* Evangelicals and voting > machines. > *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WTe8ppEIic* Paper ballots please. > > *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lrFkRHrRDI* McCain/Palin will win by > theft. > > *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s07oi2G_K4c* People should doubt the > vote, it's being stolen. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hal at drxyzzy.org Tue Sep 30 10:28:40 2008 From: hal at drxyzzy.org (Hal Snyder) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:28:40 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] yesterday's bail-out vote Message-ID: Yesterday's House vote on the bail-out bill was history in the making. We only have a little of the story so far. I expect mainstream analysis to be shallow and misleading. Some notes: 1. The roll call vote (#674). http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll674.xml The bill was defeated by right-wing Republicans (Mike Pence, etc.) and progressive Democrats (Dennis Kucinich, Marcy Kaptur, Sheila Jackson Lee, etc), but the split was not clean the way most House votes have been over recent years. 2. Huge public interest in the floor debate. C-Span's streaming web server could not handle the traffic of people watching the debate live. The Library of Congress THOMAS web server carried this notice: NOTICE: Due to a high volume of traffic, some THOMAS users have reported problems running searches. We are working on this issue. What was the debate about? On motion that the House agree to the Senate amendment to the House amendment to the Senate amendment. In detail: On Concurring in Senate Amendment With An Amendment: H.R. 3997 To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to provide earnings assistance and tax relief to members of the uniformed services, volunteer firefighters, and Peace Corps volunteers, and for other purposes. Wow. People were watching this? In the same country where American Idol was a hit? The debate is viewable here - I'm not sure how long this link will work: 3. This seems genuinely to have been a surprise to the party leaders. Disbelief as House deals death blow to bailout bill http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5i4qeoLai_w8YFa0X_TYiioxTQx5A 4. Alternative analysis. a. Michael Moore - Congratulations, Corporate Crime Fighters! Coup Averted for Three Days! But what they didn't know was that hundreds of thousands of Americans woke up yesterday morning and decided it was time for revolt. The politicians never saw it coming... http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?id=236 b. Mike Ruppert - What Really Happened Today This is now the fast crash scenario. It is further complicated by two things... http://fromthewilderness.com/whatreallyhappenedtoday2008.shtml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From edward_rynearson at yahoo.com Tue Sep 30 13:09:53 2008 From: edward_rynearson at yahoo.com (Edward Rynearson) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:09:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CitizensTruth] Cynthia McKinney Claims 5, 000 Executed During Hurricane Katrina Message-ID: <393501.99862.qm@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tuesday, September 30, 2008 Cynthia McKinney Claims 5,000 Executed During Hurricane Katrina http://www.radiodujour.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com Tue Sep 30 14:43:00 2008 From: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com (Geri Perry) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:43:00 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Lost Science, part 2 of 4 Message-ID: <48E27334.8040302@thetwofacesofmoney.com> On the capability of Lasers: This 1996 announcement on lasers: https://www.llnl.gov/str/Petawatt.html FOR more than three decades, Lawrence Livermore's Laser Programs have earned a worldwide reputation for pushing the limits of laser technology. But few accomplishments have rivaled the one celebrated in the early morning hours of May 23, 1996, by an exhausted but exuberant crew that just used a revolutionary laser that produced more than a quadrillion watts of energy, a world record. END QUOTE. [I'm no scientist but that's a pretty impressive announcement made in 1996]. Speaking of Lasers, here is Bob Fritakis on lasers - he talks about how they were used in Panama, backed up with relevant clips from Panama Deception: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1XUetle8-I&feature=related gerip From rmigalla at earthlink.net Tue Sep 30 17:09:55 2008 From: rmigalla at earthlink.net (Robin Migalla) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:09:55 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] FW: Chicago Tonight Message-ID: <01C92316.FB3C3750.rmigalla@earthlink.net> Hi Folks, If you're not busy tonight, you might want to tune into WTTW to see the feature they did on a local organic CSA farm. I don't know if they'll include the footage or not, but if they do I'm the one in the "Happy Camper" tee. Cheers, Robin -----Original Message----- From: Annabeth Propst [SMTP:alpropst7 at yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 11:16 Subject: Chicago Tonight Well, WTTW finally decided to air the segment about us tonight, between 7 and 8. Beth From hal at drxyzzy.org Tue Sep 30 17:30:41 2008 From: hal at drxyzzy.org (Hal Snyder) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:30:41 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] FW: Chicago Tonight In-Reply-To: <01C92316.FB3C3750.rmigalla@earthlink.net> References: <01C92316.FB3C3750.rmigalla@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Way to go, Robin! Speaking of Community Supported Agriculture, we're showing "The Real Dirt On Farmer John" at CCUU on Friday night, October 10. http://www.citizenstruth.info/afdfilms/index.html The epic tale of a maverick Midwestern farmer. An outcast in his community, Farmer John stands amidst a failing economy, vicious rumors, and violence. By melding the traditions of family farming with the power of art and free expression, this story of transformation and renewal heralds a resurrection of farming in America. Friday, October 10, 7:00 p.m. in Atherton Hall Countryside Church Unitarian Universalist 1025 N. Smith Rd., Palatine, IL 60067 On Sep 30, 2008, at 4:09 PM, Robin Migalla wrote: > Hi Folks, > > If you're not busy tonight, you might want to tune into WTTW to see > the > feature they did on a local organic CSA farm. I don't know if they'll > include the footage or not, but if they do I'm the one in the "Happy > Camper" tee. > > Cheers, > Robin From aqmstaffo at mailbag.com Tue Sep 30 18:50:06 2008 From: aqmstaffo at mailbag.com (Daniel Stafford) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:50:06 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] The Bailout and What's Next In-Reply-To: <1102261857295.1102055395994.6574.7.14152503@scheduler> References: <1102261857295.1102055395994.6574.7.14152503@scheduler> Message-ID: <48E2AD1E.2000005@mailbag.com> Wow. Someone other than Ron Paul or Geri Perry is actually telling people what the real scam is and has been. This is why I like this guy so much. DS Dennis Kucinich wrote: > > Dennis Kucinich - www.Kucinich.us > > *The Bailout and What's Next* > > Dear Friend, > > Yesterday marked a day that will go down in history, when > Congressional Democrats and Republicans alike took on full > responsibility to protect the interests of taxpaying Americans, and > defeated the deceptive bail out bill, defying the dictates of the > Administration, the House Majority Leadership, the House Minority > Leadership and the special interests on Wall Street. > > Obviously Congress must consider quickly another course. There are > immediate issues which demand attention and responsible action by the > Congress so that the taxpayers, their assets, and their futures are > protected. > > We MUST do something to protect millions of Americans whose homes, > bank deposits, investments, and pensions are at risk in a financial > system that has become seriously corrupted. We are told that we must > stabilize markets in order for the people to be protected. I think we > need to protect peoples' homes, bank deposits, investments, and > pensions, to order to stabilize the market. > > We cannot delay taking action. But the action must benefit all > Americans, not just a privileged few. Otherwise, more plans will fail, > and the financial security of everyone will be at risk. > > The $700 billion bailout would have added to our existing unbearable > load of national debt, trade deficits, and the cost of paying for the > war. It would have been a disaster for the American public and the > government for decades and maybe even centuries to come. > > To be sure, there are many different reasons why people voted against > the bailout. The legislation did not regard in any meaningful way the > plight of millions of Americans who are about to lose their homes. It > did nothing to strengthen existing regulatory structures or impose new > ones at the Securities and Exchange Commission and the Federal Reserve > in order to protect investors. There were no direct protections for > bank depositors. There was nothing to stop further speculation, which > is what brought us into this mess in the first place. > > This was a bailout for some firms (and investors) on Wall Street, with > the idea that in doing so there would be certain, unspecified, general > benefits to the economy. > > This is a perfect time to open a broader discussion about our > financial system, especially our monetary system. Such a discussion is > like searching for a needle in a haystack, and then, upon finding it, > discussing its qualities at great length. Let me briefly describe the > haystack instead. > > Here is a very quick explanation of the $700 billion bailout within > the context of the mechanics of our monetary and banking system: > > The taxpayers loan money to the banks. But the taxpayers do not have > the money. So we have to borrow it from the banks to give it back to > the banks. But the banks do not have the money to loan to the > government. So they create it into existence (through a mechanism > called fractional reserve) and then loan it to us, at interest, so we > can then give it back to them. > > Confused? > > This is the system. This is the standard mechanism used to expand the > money supply on a daily basis not a special one designed only for the > "$700 billion" transaction. People will explain this to you in many > different ways, but this is what it comes down to. > > The banks needed Congress' approval. Of course in this topsy turvy > world, it is the banks which set the terms of the money they are > borrowing from the taxpayers. And what do we get for this transaction? > Long term debt enslavement of our country. We get to pay back to the > banks trillions of dollars ($700 billion with compounded interest) and > the banks give us their bad debt which they cull from everywhere in > the world. > > Who could turn down a deal like this? I did. > > The globalization of the debt puts the United States in the position > that in order to repay the money that we borrow from the banks (for > the banks) we could be forced to accept International Monetary Fund > dictates which involve cutting health, social security benefits and > all other social spending in addition to reducing wages and exploiting > our natural resources. This inevitably leads to a loss of economic, > social and political freedom. > > Under the failed $700 billion bailout plan, Wall Street's profits are > Wall Street's profits and Wall Street's losses are the taxpayers' > losses. Profits are capitalized. Losses are socialized. > > We are at a teachable moment on matters of money and finance. In the > coming days and weeks, I will share with you thoughts about what can > be done to take us not just in a new direction, but in a new direction > which is just. > > Thank you, > > > Dennis > www.Kucinich.us > 216-252-9000 877-933-6647 > > PS Watch the 47 minute 'Money as Debt' animated documentary in > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9050474362583451279. This is > a useful, though by no means definitive, introduction to the topic of > debt and the monetary system. Let me know what you think. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > Paid for by the Re-Elect Congressman Kucinich Committee > > PO Box 110475 | Cleveland | OH | 44111 | 216-252-9000 > > > *Forward email > * > > > > > Re-Elect Congressman Kucinich Committee | PO Box 110475 | Cleveland | > OH | 44111 > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: