From aqmstaffo at mailbag.com Sun Feb 1 10:57:46 2009
From: aqmstaffo at mailbag.com (Daniel Stafford)
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 09:57:46 -0600
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Ohio Rep: Foreclosed owners should squat in their
own homes - offers strategy to beat banks in court
Message-ID: <4985C67A.9020901@mailbag.com>
*Ohio Rep: Foreclosed owners should squat in their own homes - offers
strategy to beat banks in court*
David Edwards and Stephen C. Webster,
Published: Friday January 30, 2009
This is highly interesting, and a must-read for anyone struggling with a
troubled motgage.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Rep_Foreclosed_owners_should_squat_in_0130.html
If you're poor and the bank is coming for your home, Congresswoman Marcy
Kaptur has a plan for you.
Just squat, she says.
Yes, this Ohio Democrat is actually encouraging her financially
distressed constituents whose homes have been foreclosed upon, to simply
stay put.
In a Friday report, CNN's Drew Griffin explored the case of Ohioan
Andrea Geiss, whose home was foreclosed upon in April.
"Behind in payments, out of work, a husband sick, she had nowhere to
go," said Griffin. "So, she decided to follow the advice of her
Congresswoman and go nowhere."
In Lucas County, Ohio, over 4,000 properties were foreclosed upon in
2008, reports CNN.
"So I say to the American people, you be squatters in your own homes,"
said Congresswoman Kaptur before the House of Representatives. "Don't
you leave."
She's called on all of her foreclosed-upon constituents to stay in their
homes and refuse to leave without "an attorney and a fight," said CNN.
"If they've had no legal representation of a high quality, I tell them
stay in their homes," Kaptur told Griffin.
Kaptur is a high-profile advocate of an increasingly popular mode of
fighting foreclosures best known for it's key phrase: "Produce the note."
By telling a bank to "produce the note," a homeowner can delay
foreclosure by forcing the lender to prove the suing institution is
actually the same which owns the debt.
"During the lending boom, most mortgages were flipped and sold to
another lender or servicer or sliced up and sold to investors as
securitized packages on Wall Street," explains the Consumer Warning
Network
.
"In the rush to turn these over as fast as possible to make the most
money, many of the new lenders did not get the proper paperwork to show
they own the note and mortgage. This is the key to the produce the note
strategy."
And Friday's segment on this growing foreclosure fighting "movement" was
not the network's first. Earlier in January, CNN explored one person's
strategy in demanding her
bank "produce the note," only to find that the lender had "lost or
destroyed" the evidence of debt ownership. Such a revelation can
significantly strengthen a homeowner's position when asking to
renegotiate a mortgage.
That these banks, many of which received billions of dollars in
government bailout funds, continue to boot defaulted owners from their
homes, makes them "vultures" says Kaptur.
"They prey on our property assets," she said. "I guess the reason I'm so
adamant on this is because I know property law and its power to protect
the individual homeowner. And I believe that 99.9 percent of our people
have not had good legal representation in this."
Video from CNN's /American Morning/, broadcast Jan. 30, 2009 - available
at story link under headline.
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From: mincam2 at yahoo.com (Chuck Minne)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 09:08:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Top Russian Video
In-Reply-To: <926379.92491.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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According to Google, one of the most-watched Internet videos is a documentary from Russia. Even if you don?t understand Russian, as I don?t, it is interesting to quickly scan through it to see what it is about. I had a friend look at it and he told me that it was in large part about Operation ?Highjump,? which was an invasion of Antarctica in 1947, right on the heels of WW2, led by Admiral Richard Byrd.
?
You can view this extremely popular Russian video here, and as I said, it is pretty interesting just to scan through it:
?
http://video-stats.video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6541755440775382831
?
?
And here is a seemingly well-documented commentary on Operation Highjump, which is pretty amazing (the endings of Admirals Byrd and Forrestal (then Secretary of Defense,) are surprising):
?
http://greyfalcon.us/restored/Operation.htm
?
If that is not enough, get the British, and maybe more amazing, version here:
?http://greyfalcon.us/Britain.htm
?
?
"I have lost faith, godammit! I put my faith in the People and that was a mistake! This is a shit people! They get stolen blind by their politicians and they lick their boots. They send their kids off to die for somebody's business deal and they celebrate it like they're doing something heroic! This great and glorious people! Lazy sacks of junk food and jingo!"
?
From: "The Army of the Republic"? by Stuart Archer Cohen
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From futurenotwritten at yahoo.com Sun Feb 1 13:10:00 2009
From: futurenotwritten at yahoo.com (Jay Becker)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 10:10:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] CIA continues renditions under Obama orders
Message-ID: <690731.88540.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-renditions_31jan31,0,2998929.story
chicagotribune.com
Obama lets CIA keep controversial renditions tool
By Greg Miller
Washington Bureau
January 31, 2009
WASHINGTON ? The CIA's secret prisons are being shuttered. Harsh
interrogation techniques are off-limits. And Guantanamo Bay will
eventually go back to being a wind-swept naval base on the southeastern
corner of Cuba.
But even while dismantling these discredited programs, President Barack Obama
left an equally controversial counterterrorism tool intact.
Under
executive orders issued by Obama last week, the CIA still has authority
to carry out what are known as renditions, or the secret abductions and
transfers of prisoners to countries that cooperate with the U.S.
Current
and former U.S. intelligence officials said the rendition program is
poised to play an expanded role because it is the main remaining
mechanism?aside from Predator missile strikes?for taking suspected
terrorists off the street.
The rendition program became a source
of embarrassment for the CIA, and a target of international scorn, as
details emerged in recent years of botched captures, mistaken
identities and allegations that prisoners were turned over to countries
where they were tortured.
The European Parliament condemned
renditions as an "illegal instrument used by the United States."
Prisoners swept up in the program have sued the CIA as well as a
subsidiary of Boeing Corp., which is accused of working with the agency
on dozens of rendition flights.
But the Obama administration
appears to have determined that the rendition program was one component
of the Bush administration's war on terrorism that it could not afford
to discard.
The decision underscores the fact that the battle
with Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups is far from over and that even
if the U.S. is shutting down the prisons, it is not done taking
prisoners.
"Obviously you need to preserve some tools, you still
have to go after the bad guys," said an Obama administration official,
speaking on condition of anonymity when discussing legal reasoning
behind the decision. "The legal advisers working on this looked at
rendition. It is controversial in some circles and kicked up a big
storm in Europe. But if done within certain parameters, it is an
acceptable practice."
One provision in one of Obama's orders
appears to preserve the CIA's ability to detain and interrogate
terrorism suspects as long as they are not held long-term. The
little-noticed provision states that the instructions to close the
CIA's secret prison sites "do not refer to facilities used only to hold
people on a short-term, transitory basis."
Obama's decision to
preserve the program did not draw major protests, even among
human-rights groups. Leaders of such organizations said that reflects a
sense, even among advocates, that the United States and other nations
need certain tools to combat terrorism.
"Under limited
circumstances, there is a legitimate place" for renditions, said Tom
Malinowski, the Washington advocacy director for Human Rights Watch.
"What I heard loud and clear from the president's order was that they
want to design a system that doesn't result in people being sent to
foreign dungeons to be tortured."
In his executive order on
lawful interrogations, Obama created a task force to re-examine
renditions to make sure that they "do not result in the transfer of
individuals to other nations to face torture" or otherwise circumvent
human-rights laws and treaties.
gpmiller at tribune.com
Copyright ? 2009, Chicago Tribune
Stop thinking like an American,
Start thinking about humanity!
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From welaware at merr.com Sun Feb 1 13:23:17 2009
From: welaware at merr.com (Kris Knight)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 12:23:17 -0600
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Top Russian Video
In-Reply-To: <456961.77843.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <456961.77843.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <14D971EE-5D33-42D4-A58B-DC0D19B9794E@merr.com>
Chuck: Still reading the second link but based on what I've already
learned about Adm. Byrd, this is tremendously helpful in filling in
the spaces around his bringing back a message to the people at the
Pentagon, which was of course immediately covered up. Thank you SO
much for this.
For anyone on this list interested in being on my 'SKYUE" list about
exopolitics, ET info, 2012, ascension, etc., let me know. I send out
some pretty interesting stuff, incl. things from my own life...
Please don't write back, saying, "what is exopolitics"? Look it up.
On Feb 1, 2009, at 11:08 AM, Chuck Minne wrote:
> According to Google, one of the most-watched Internet videos is a
> documentary from Russia. Even if you don?t understand Russian, as I
> don?t, it is interesting to quickly scan through it to see what it
> is about. I had a friend look at it and he told me that it was in
> large part about Operation ?Highjump,? which was an invasion of
> Antarctica in 1947, right on the heels of WW2, led by Admiral
> Richard Byrd.
>
> You can view this extremely popular Russian video here, and as I
> said, it is pretty interesting just to scan through it:
>
> http://video-stats.video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6541755440775382831
>
>
> And here is a seemingly well-documented commentary on Operation
> Highjump, which is pretty amazing (the endings of Admirals Byrd and
> Forrestal (then Secretary of Defense,) are surprising):
>
> http://greyfalcon.us/restored/Operation.htm
>
> If that is not enough, get the British, and maybe more amazing,
> version here:
> http://greyfalcon.us/Britain.htm
>
>
>
> "I have lost faith, godammit! I put my faith in the People and that
> was a mistake! This is a shit people! They get stolen blind by their
> politicians and they lick their boots. They send their kids off to
> die for somebody's business deal and they celebrate it like they're
> doing something heroic! This great and glorious people! Lazy sacks
> of junk food and jingo!"
>
> From: "The Army of the Republic" by Stuart Archer Cohen
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> CitizensTruth mailing list
> CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth
> website: http://citizenstruth.info
Kris Knight of WellAware Life Enhancement Center
Phone: 1-608-ALL-LIFE
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From welaware at merr.com Sun Feb 1 20:41:34 2009
From: welaware at merr.com (Kris Knight)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 19:41:34 -0600
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Top Russian Video
In-Reply-To: <456961.77843.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <456961.77843.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5FA64642-3729-4053-9E13-42241CBFB540@merr.com>
WOW! THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY after reading the entire transcript at your
greyfalcon link! Puts many, many pieces in place for me...curious
where you found this...
On Feb 1, 2009, at 11:08 AM, Chuck Minne wrote:
> According to Google, one of the most-watched Internet videos is a
> documentary from Russia. Even if you don?t understand Russian, as I
> don?t, it is interesting to quickly scan through it to see what it
> is about. I had a friend look at it and he told me that it was in
> large part about Operation ?Highjump,? which was an invasion of
> Antarctica in 1947, right on the heels of WW2, led by Admiral
> Richard Byrd.
>
> You can view this extremely popular Russian video here, and as I
> said, it is pretty interesting just to scan through it:
>
> http://video-stats.video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6541755440775382831
>
>
> And here is a seemingly well-documented commentary on Operation
> Highjump, which is pretty amazing (the endings of Admirals Byrd and
> Forrestal (then Secretary of Defense,) are surprising):
>
> http://greyfalcon.us/restored/Operation.htm
>
> If that is not enough, get the British, and maybe more amazing,
> version here:
> http://greyfalcon.us/Britain.htm
>
>
>
> "I have lost faith, godammit! I put my faith in the People and that
> was a mistake! This is a shit people! They get stolen blind by their
> politicians and they lick their boots. They send their kids off to
> die for somebody's business deal and they celebrate it like they're
> doing something heroic! This great and glorious people! Lazy sacks
> of junk food and jingo!"
>
> From: "The Army of the Republic" by Stuart Archer Cohen
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> CitizensTruth mailing list
> CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth
> website: http://citizenstruth.info
Kris Knight of WellAware Life Enhancement Center
Phone: 1-608-ALL-LIFE
welaware at merr.com
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From welaware at merr.com Sun Feb 1 20:46:49 2009
From: welaware at merr.com (Kris Knight)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 19:46:49 -0600
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Top Russian Video
In-Reply-To: <456961.77843.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <456961.77843.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <343B9A03-6BB9-4535-8881-93C07146D362@merr.com>
WOW! THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY after reading the entire transcript at your
greyfalcon link! Puts many, many pieces in place for me...curious
where you found this...
On Feb 1, 2009, at 11:08 AM, Chuck Minne wrote:
> According to Google, one of the most-watched Internet videos is a
> documentary from Russia. Even if you don?t understand Russian, as I
> don?t, it is interesting to quickly scan through it to see what it
> is about. I had a friend look at it and he told me that it was in
> large part about Operation ?Highjump,? which was an invasion of
> Antarctica in 1947, right on the heels of WW2, led by Admiral
> Richard Byrd.
>
> You can view this extremely popular Russian video here, and as I
> said, it is pretty interesting just to scan through it:
>
> http://video-stats.video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6541755440775382831
>
>
> And here is a seemingly well-documented commentary on Operation
> Highjump, which is pretty amazing (the endings of Admirals Byrd and
> Forrestal (then Secretary of Defense,) are surprising):
>
> http://greyfalcon.us/restored/Operation.htm
>
> If that is not enough, get the British, and maybe more amazing,
> version here:
> http://greyfalcon.us/Britain.htm
>
>
>
> "I have lost faith, godammit! I put my faith in the People and that
> was a mistake! This is a shit people! They get stolen blind by their
> politicians and they lick their boots. They send their kids off to
> die for somebody's business deal and they celebrate it like they're
> doing something heroic! This great and glorious people! Lazy sacks
> of junk food and jingo!"
>
> From: "The Army of the Republic" by Stuart Archer Cohen
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> CitizensTruth mailing list
> CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth
> website: http://citizenstruth.info
Kris Knight of WellAware Life Enhancement Center
Phone: 1-608-ALL-LIFE
welaware at merr.com
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From: edward_rynearson at yahoo.com (Edward Rynearson)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 19:59:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Obama preserves rendition two days after taking
office
Message-ID: <281204.52878.qm@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Two days after taking the helm of a country ready for change after eight years of George W. Bush, President Obama has allowed one controversial "War on Terror" tactic to remain in place: rendition.
Despite frequent condemnation of the practice around the world, rendition -- the secret capture, transportation and detention of suspected terrorists to foreign prisons in countries that cooperate with the U.S. -- remains in the CIA's playbook, thanks to a Jan. 22 executive order issued by President Obama.
Other executive orders shuttered the CIA's secret prisons and banned the harsh interrogation techniques that have been termed torture. And in his most widely noticed break with his predecessor, Obama signed an order to close Guantanamo Bay's prison within one year.
But rendition will remain. Obama and his administration appear to believe that the rendition program was one piece of the Bush administration's war on terrorism that it could not afford to discard, the Los Angeles Times reported.
An administration official told the newspaper anonymously: "Obviously you need to preserve some tools -- you still have to go after the bad guys. The legal advisors working on this looked at rendition. It is controversial in some circles and kicked up a big storm in Europe. But if done within certain parameters, it is an acceptable practice."
The momentous decision by Obama and his young administration appeared in a small provision of one executive order, which states that instructions to close the CIA's secret prison sites "do not refer to facilities used only to hold people on a short-term, transitory basis."
Under that language, the Soviet-era black site used by the CIA between 2002 and 2004 and revealed by Raw Story in 2007 would remain open. Intelligence officials signaled the facility would no longer be used after it received broad public attention in the Polish press.
In late 2007, the U.S. House voted to effectively end CIA renditions. But that prohibition, part of a $50 billion Iraq funding bill, was never passed in the Senate. Also in 2007, Congress apologized for the wrongful detainment of Canadian citizen Maher Arar, who was "rendered" to Syria, where he was tortured into making a false confession.
Obama's decision to continue rendition on an apparently limited basis revives questions about the tactic's effectiveness -- not to mention legality.
"The reason we did interrogations [ourselves] is because renditions for the most part weren't very productive," a former senior CIA official told the Los Angeles Times anonymously.
But surprisingly, Human Rights Watch -- the worldwide watchdog group that vehemently opposed Bush-era secret detentions facilities and torture tactics -- supports Obama's decision to continue the practice of rendition.
"Under limited circumstances, there is a legitimate place" for renditions, Tom Malinowski, the Washington advocacy director for Human Rights Watch, told the Los Angeles Times. "What I heard loud and clear from the president's order was that they want to design a system that doesn't result in people being sent to foreign dungeons to be tortured..."
But the former CIA official wasn't quite so optimistic.
"In some ways, [rendition] is the worst option," the former official said. "If [the prisoners] are in U.S. hands, you have a lot of checks and balances, medics and lawyers. Once you turn them over to another service, you lose control."
?
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Obama_preserves_rendition_in__0201.html
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From: edward_rynearson at yahoo.com (Edward Rynearson)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 06:34:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Who does the "O" work for? (and what do they have
on him?)
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Bailouts for Bunglers
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/02/opinion/02krugman.html
(Paul Krugman)
?
Question: what happens if you lose vast amounts of other people?s money? Answer: you get a big gift from the federal government ? but the president says some very harsh things about you before forking over the cash.
?
Disgorge, Wall Street Fat Cats
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/01/opinion/01dowd.html
(Maureen Dowd)
?
Mr. Obama was less bracing than during the campaign, when A.I.G. executives were caught going to posh retreats after taking an $85 billion bailout. He called for them to be fired and to reimburse the federal Treasury. Now that he has the power to act, Mr. Obama spoke, as his spokesman Robert Gibbs put it, ?like that disappointed parent that doesn?t embarrass you in the mall, but you feel like you?ve let somebody down.?
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From: futurenotwritten at yahoo.com (Jay Becker)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 12:41:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] "Paying Taxes & Fearing Deportation"
Message-ID: <527293.574.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
This should really be titled "Paying Taxes and Fearing Federal Prosecution and Prison," since the Feds are following the Postville (IA) model here--prosecuting immigrants without papers on federal criminal charges for what has been treated as a civil immigration status violation for decades. Note that this article says these immigrants paid $50 billion in taxes between 1996 & 2003.
Jay
Paying Taxes and Fearing Deportation
By DAN FROSCH
New York Times
Published: February 1, 2009
?
GREELEY , Colo. ? For the past decade, thousands of Hispanic men and
women who settled here went to Amalia?s Translation and Tax Services to
pay their annual income taxes.
Whether
these people were in the United States legally mattered little to
Amalia Cerrillo, who runs the business out of her home in this northern
Colorado farming town. The Internal Revenue Service, Ms. Cerrillo knew,
requires everyone, regardless of immigration status, to pay taxes on
income earned in this country.
?
?My
clients wanted to do what any other American does,? Ms. Cerrillo said.
?And they wanted to show that they paid their taxes if there is ever a
chance for amnesty or a green card.?
?
That
all changed Oct. 17, when investigators with the Weld County Sheriff?s
Office, armed with a search warrant, seized thousands of confidential
tax returns from Ms. Cerrillo?s business. They told her they were
looking for people with fraudulent Social Security numbers, commonly
used by illegal immigrants to get work.
?
The
seizure of the tax returns was the first step in a broad, continuing
investigation, called Operation Number Games by local law enforcement
officials. Sheriff John Cooke said his investigators had identified
about 1,300 illegal immigrants who had filed tax returns bearing fake
or stolen Social Security numbers. Many will face deportation
proceedings.
?
Since
October, 40 people have been arrested on identity theft or criminal
impersonation charges. Sixty-five additional arrest warrants have been
issued, and District Attorney Ken Buck said many more would be coming.
?
?I
don?t care whether they are meth addicts or petty thieves or illegal
immigrants,? Mr. Buck said. ?What matters most to me is that they are
committing felonies through identify theft.?
?
The
campaign is causing concern at the I.R.S., which says illegal
immigrants paid almost $50 billion in taxes from 1996 to 2003, and
among immigrants? rights groups, which call the operation a thinly
disguised attempt to root out illegal immigrants.
?
?For
years, they said immigrants don?t pay taxes and are a burden on our
system,? said Julie Gonzales, the political coordinator for the
Colorado Immigrant Rights Coalition.
?
Late
last Monday, the American Civil Liberties Union of Colorado filed a
lawsuit in State District Court here arguing that by seizing and
retaining confidential tax information, the Weld County authorities had
violated privacy rights of thousands of taxpayers.
?
?If
the sheriff and the D.A. can comb through thousands of records in a tax
preparer?s office on the theory that some of their clients are doing
something wrong, then none of our confidential information is safe,?
said Mark Silverstein, the legal director for the group.
?
Mr. Buck said all information from the investigation would be kept confidential.
?
Both
sides agree that the issue has exposed a hole in federal immigration
policy. Since 1996, the I.R.S. has distributed about 15 million
Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers to enable people without
Social Security numbers to pay taxes. Many illegal immigrants also buy
fake or stolen Social Security numbers on the black market to show to
potential employers.
?
While
not commenting specifically about the Colorado operation, an I.R.S.
spokesman, Frank Keith, said, ?We are concerned when information
provided by taxpayers to meet their legal tax obligations is used for
purposes other than federal tax administration.?
?
Sheriff Cooke said the federal policy was tantamount to ?the government turning its back on victims of identity theft.?
?
If
a stolen or false Social Security number is used only to get work,
?there is no negative impact on the rightful owner,? said a Social
Security Administration spokesman, Mark Hinkle; but it can wreak
financial havoc if used to gain access to bank accounts or to obtain
credit cards.
?
Sheriff Cooke said the Greeley
investigation began last August when a Texas man contacted the
authorities here and said he had been notified by the Social Security
Administration that someone was using his Social Security number in
Weld County .
?
Investigators
traced the number to Servando Trejo, who according to a search warrant
told them he was in the United States illegally and had bought the
number. Mr. Trejo said he paid income taxes through Ms. Cerrillo?s
office, the warrant said.
?
Ms. Cerrillo is not facing charges.
?
Sheriff Cooke blames the I.R.S. ?They know the Social Security numbers are stolen,? he said, ?and they choose to ignore it.?
?
Some
illegal immigrants hope that the payment of taxes in compliance with
federal laws will benefit them if and when Congress addresses the
immigration issue. But Marielena Hincapi?, executive director of the
National Immigration Law Center in Los Angeles
, said the crackdown had put illegal immigrants in a bind: if they pay
their taxes, they risk exposure to immigration authorities.
?
?It
cuts at the bedrock of confidentiality of tax law, whose central tenet
is that people come forward and report their income,? Ms. Hincapi?
said.
?
The
investigation has had a chilling impact on immigrants in Greeley,
advocates say. A man who asked to be identified only as Jose because he
is in the country illegally said he had filed taxes with the dream of
one day becoming a citizen.
?
Jose
said that he was arrested late last year for using a false Social
Security number he bought in Denver and that he now faces prison and
deportation.
?
?You
try and do the right thing,? Jose said of paying taxes, ?and it seems
they?re using it as an excuse to take people out of the country.?
?
Mr.
Buck, though, said the cases stemming from the inquiry are about
identity theft, not immigration. District attorneys in the Southwest,
he said, have called to ask about his tactics.
?
?Am I apologetic for spreading fear amongst people committing felonies?? Mr. Buck said. ?No.?
Stop thinking like an American,
Start thinking about humanity!
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From: edward_rynearson at yahoo.com (Edward Rynearson)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 16:33:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Dylan Avery and Richard Gage on the Peter B Collins
show - February 30, 2009
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Dylan Avery and Richard Gage on the Peter B Collins show - February 30, 2009
http://www.radiodujour.com/mp3/20090130_peterbcollins_dylanavery_richardgage.mp3
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From: edward_rynearson at yahoo.com (Edward Rynearson)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 09:22:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] correction: Dylan Avery,
Richard Gage date should be February 1, 2009 - not February 30
Message-ID: <445721.31534.qm@web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Dylan Avery and Richard Gage on the Peter B Collins show - February 1, 2009
http://www.radiodujour.com/mp3/20090130_peterbcollins_dylanavery_richardgage.mp3
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From mincam2 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 4 01:32:34 2009
From: mincam2 at yahoo.com (Chuck Minne)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 22:32:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Crop Circles
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Windmill Hill (2), nr Avebury, Wiltshire.
Reported 2nd August.
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Curiously, this formation has 37 spokes, not 36. Thus it does not follow a rule of 360 degrees divided by 10. This extra spoke does not seem to be an accident.
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The intricate design certainly was not done my man.
Nursteed, nr Devizes, Wiltshire.
Reported 11th August.
When a protractor is used to create other circles with the same diameter from the edge of a first circle, one obtains six evenly spaced circles. Here the design incorporates such circles, but then doubled at even spacing around the perimeter of the first circle, to make 12 circles. The entire effect, with select areas of crop pushed down, shows as an interwoven ball or bowl.
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East field(3), nr Alton Barnes. Wiltshire.
Reported 14th August.
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This formation has been dubbed the "Dolphins." At first glance it certainly appears that way. However, when I looked at Lucy Pringle's second picture I was astounded to see what appears as a second formation superimposed upon the first, and situated IN THE AIR slightly above the first.
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See picture below.
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If the Circle Makers could produce a ribbon effect, as we saw earlier, they certainly could produce this illusion. Of course, what we perceive depends upon viewing angle, lighting conditions, and other factors. But the illusion is seen even in the first photograph. It is the kind of geometric construction we create in our 3-D drawings done on 2-dimensional paper.
Crabwood Farm House, nr Winchester, Hampshire. Reported 15th August.
This is a most incredible crop formation. It shows how well our Celestial Visitors know us. They have taken our image of their appearance and reproduced it here in a field of grain. It may be that they do indeed appear like this to human beings who are subject to their study, as I have elsewhere discussed. But for them to admit this interactive relationship between celestial and human beings is absolutely fascinating. Certainly there could be no closer connection between our understanding of our Visitors and their presence. Here Crop Circles are directly tied to Celestial Visitors. What was merely geometric symbolization in a multitude of crop circles now becomes direct.
Furthermore, the coded disk directly incorporated into this formation shows a means of communication never before so clearly offered. Unfortunately, I do not know of anyone who has successfully decoded the disk. How great it would be if we had someone who could do that.
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You can see the individual segments of the coding interspersed around the circle in a continuous spiral. The coding is made up of several different length blocks and spaces in 14 spiral circles. One could lay it out as a straight string. Certainly an ingenious method for giving a lengthy message. Equally incredible is the ability of the Circle Makers to do this in spite of the break up of the grain by the tractor lines.
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The Germans make a music box that is driven by similar coded disks. I wonder what the music would sound like if this image were reproduced to play on such instrument.
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This may be the first example of painting of pictures directly into grain. What human being would even come close to this display? Note that the image is formed at an angle to the tractor lines to prevent confusion between the image and the lines. The size of the image was chosen to produce such a profound effect.
I include here a full report from Stuart Dike and the Crop Connector staff. I feel it is important enough to show their reaction to this most amazing display.
FIELD REPORT
Winchester, Hampshire.? August 15 2002
The Scary Alien Formation?
M.J. Fussell, editor of the Crop Circle Connector web site, seemed a little flustered on the phone as he tried to inform me of a new crop glyph he had learned of the previous evening. From my end he sounded as if he was foaming at the mouth as he breathlessly tried to fill me in. All I got of any real value were the words 'alien' and 'coded disc'. ?
WHAT?? ?
'See it for yourself, I'm uploading an image right now'...
As the image of this most perplexing of crop formations appeared on the Silent Circle Cafe computer screen, faces filled with amazement, coupled with gasps of disbelief which permeated the building.? Human reaction to perceived alien contact, a very interesting thing to witness indeed. What we were looking at was without doubt the most stunning, atmospheric and indeed the most sinister crop glyph that has appeared to date. An alien with a CD, that's outrageous, but there it was, stretched across a field of ripe wheat in far out Hampshire. Our minds were made up there and then; we had to get on site ASAP. Something that subtle would no doubt take a severe battering from hoards of visitors. With this in mind the exact location of the new glyph was acquired and we were on our way.?
One and a half hours later and we were actually standing within the huge and, from zero elevation, almost totally incomprehensible alien body. Confusing would be an understatement here, even though we had seen the aerial image beforehand our ability to discern which part of the formation we were actually in was very difficult indeed. However once we had located the disc things began to get a little easier. That said, if one had not had the good fortune to see the overhead view before entering then the whole thing would have been near impossible to figure out.? ?
How did it look and feel??
Very much like the 2001 Chilbolton 'Face' and 'Message' formations. Subjectively there were very strange and oppressive feelings within the new arrival. One could almost say feelings of foreboding and awe were the overriding flavours of this event, as indeed was the impression we both felt almost exactly one year earlier over at Chilbolton, just nine miles away. It really did seem that the same agency had been at work, only this time the finished product is utterly staggering, above and below, the 2001 events seem positively crude in comparison to this masterpiece, that alone is quite a statement when one considers the reaction to those events at the time.? Other interesting points of relationship include the fact that the new arrival is positioned on the highest point in the locality, as was the case at Chilbolton. Also there is the positioning of the formation in very close proximity to hi tech communications equipment, just like at Chilbolton,
coincidence? I doubt it. Maybe this positioning is a deliberate attempt by whatever agency that created this series of images to cultivate this bizarre, sinister kind of scary feel. If this was the intention it works very well, leaving one with very mixed feelings of excitement, anticipation, and confusion and for many observers, fear, again probably as intended. ?
All laid crop areas were extremely neat when we arrived, with no evidence of prior incursion by more than a couple of people, at most. We had beaten the rush and were given the privileged opportunity to have a really good hands and knees look at the un-trampled floor of this seemingly impossible design. That we did!?
With the total absence of 'stomper board' markings throughout all areas of the formation examined, we had to conclude that it was most unlikely that this is a standard fake. The damage we caused to the laid crop was shocking. Everywhere we stepped we were smashing the plants under our feet, leaving very obvious signs of human body weight on the mega brittle, bone dry plants. How could a crew of fakers be in there and not leave the whole thing, in terms of smashed up plants, massively traumatised. The crop was so dry and brittle that the very action of putting ones foot down caused everything underfoot to literally crumble into an ugly tangle of broken, shattered wheat. In short, what we experienced on the ground on day one cannot be reconciled with any ground based hoaxing methodology that we are aware of at this time.
Could it be for real? ET with a disc full of info for the people of the Earth, a very far out concept indeed. If they wish to have an overt communication why not just land the saucers in Hyde Park??
Could it be a 'big brother' scam job, employing sophisticated airborne/ space borne technologies, intended to steer the real benevolent crop circle situation in a certain direction? Indeed, is there a technology that could do such a thing? All we could say for sure is that somehow this amazing work is there and was almost certainly created from above, (CFPR personal opinion).?
Utterly staggering and utterly confusing, just wait for the 2003 ET special.?
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Arecibo Radio Message to Space
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Crop Circle Response to Message next to Radio Telescope
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Crabwood formation Crop Circle
Arecibo-message in binary code
Chilbolton Radio Telescope
Near Wherwell, Hampshire, England
August 19, 2001
Carl Sagan / NASA
Arecibo-message in binary code 1974
Sagan's Arecibo:
decimal calculation system
carbon chemical based
2-string DNA code
Humans Height and Quantity
3rd planet in our Solar System
the "CD" circle:
decimal calculation system
silicon based
3-string DNA code
Large Head Humanoid 4' tall 21.3 billion
3rd 4th and 5th planet in their System
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Crop Circle 3D-face offering a CD-Disk
Crabwood Farm House near Winchester, Hampshire, England
August 15, 2002
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Maurice Osborn's ASCII-decoding of the Crabwood "CD":
Beware of the bearers of FALSE gifts & their BROKEN PROMISES. Much PAIN but still time.
EELRIJUE < Damaged word could be: BELIEVE.
There is GOOD out there. We OPpose DECEPTION.
Conduit CLOSING 'bell sound'
ED:
When you look at the picture at these Crabwood Farm crop circles, responsible for these circles seem to be the Tiny Grey's, since there is mention of a 4' length only - and there is lot's of them ..
One might also deduce - premising true incidents - that in accordance to other mentionings on the Web, the Grey's and their Masters have stopped abduction and experimenting on us. Hear, hear, there is justice after all in the Universe.
And the Big Question remaining on that: Why did they stop, Who enforces Law & Order in the Universe ..
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From: mjkirk12 at yahoo.com (Mike Kirk)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 13:00:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Maxed Out: How the World is Going Broke and Who
Gets the Credit
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Tomorrow night (Feb 5th) - downtown Chicago, IL
-Mike
sonotheque
1444 West Chicago Ave,? Chicago, 60622
6:30 p.m. Doors open
7:00 p.m. Talk followed by audience Q&A
Young Professional Members Complimentary
Members/Nonmembers $10
(Ages 21 and older.? Alcohol served.? ID required.)
http://www.thechicagocouncil.org/chicago_council_event_corporate_detail.php?eventid=2018
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From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 14:11:10 -0800
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Karl Rove in Schaumburg 2/23
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Scheduled to speak at the Marriott.
http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=268954&src=1When Rove spoke in San Francisco last October, a gutsy blonde tried to arrest him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ili0jgn_JD4
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From: mjkirk12 at yahoo.com (Mike Kirk)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:06:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Karl Rove in Schaumburg 2/23
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Everybody bring a spare pair of shoes to throw.... :-)
-Mike
--- On Wed, 2/4/09, Brian Good wrote:
From: Brian Good
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Karl Rove in Schaumburg 2/23
To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net
Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 4:11 PM
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Scheduled to speak at the Marriott.
http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=268954&src=1When Rove spoke in San Francisco last October, a gutsy blonde tried to arrest him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ili0jgn_JD4
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From hal at drxyzzy.org Wed Feb 4 18:54:53 2009
From: hal at drxyzzy.org (Hal Snyder)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 17:54:53 -0600
Subject: [CitizensTruth] ... Rove in Schaumburg 2/23 (and Mark Kirk 2/7
in Waukegan)
In-Reply-To:
References:
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Thanks.
Note also that Congressman Mark Kirk will be making one of his rare
public appearances this Saturday in Waukegan.
At 2:00 in Waukegan, on Saturday, February 7, Mark Kirk will hold a
town meeting. The address is the Waukegan Public Library, 128 N.
County Street.
Daily Kos: Mark Kirk (R-IL) on "Taking Out the Trash" in Gaza
On Feb 4, 2009, at 4:11 PM, Brian Good wrote:
> Scheduled to speak at the Marriott.
> http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=268954&src=1
> When Rove spoke in San Francisco last October, a gutsy blonde tried
> to arrest him.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ili0jgn_JD4
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From r.gillam at comcast.net Wed Feb 4 20:44:56 2009
From: r.gillam at comcast.net (Ragen Gillam)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 19:44:56 -0600
Subject: [CitizensTruth] book review
Message-ID: <20090205014458.427546C118@six.pairlist.net>
"The President's Therapist" by John Wareham, although classified as fiction,
has many conspicuous elements of truth, according to the reviews.
http://www.thewashingtonwatch.com/
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From mincam2 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 5 13:38:45 2009
From: mincam2 at yahoo.com (Chuck Minne)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:38:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Is there anything to 2012?
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http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071031091640AAfEM8M
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From dimension04 at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 5 18:02:25 2009
From: dimension04 at sbcglobal.net (Connie Smith)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 17:02:25 -0600
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Is there anything to 2012?
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References: <702266.90672.qm@web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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It's my understanding that, more than an alignment of just our planets, it is our entire solar system aligning with and crossing the exact center, the equator, of our galaxy, the Milky Way.
And that "crossing to the other side" is what is expected by many to establish great positive change, a vast reversal of "business-as-usual" -- which some believe is now pre-indicated by the election of Barack Obama. (Although -- for his safety's sake -- I think it will be at least a year before Obama is able to SIGNIFICANTLY ease out of the grasp of the powers-that-be.)
John Major Jenkins has done a great deal of work on this subject, which he has pretty much copyrighted as "Galactic Alignment." My husband and I made him a bumper sticker, "Galactic Alignment Begins at Home," and he put it up on his office wall!
Here's his website -- for a quick overview, scroll down to What the Maya Left Behind.
Connie
----- Original Message -----
From: Chuck Minne
To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] Is there anything to 2012?
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From: dimension04 at sbcglobal.net (Connie Smith)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 17:06:19 -0600
Subject: [CitizensTruth] WHOOPS -- forgot the link!
In-Reply-To: <702266.90672.qm@web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <702266.90672.qm@web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID:
http://alignment2012.com/
----- Original Message -----
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To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] Is there anything to 2012?
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From dimension04 at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 5 20:42:41 2009
From: dimension04 at sbcglobal.net (Connie Smith)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 19:42:41 -0600
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Karl Rove in Schaumburg 2/23
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References: <635472.43137.qm@web83815.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
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Make'em horseshoes! And combat boots!
Connie
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Kirk
To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] Karl Rove in Schaumburg 2/23
Everybody bring a spare pair of shoes to throw.... :-)
-Mike
--- On Wed, 2/4/09, Brian Good wrote:
From: Brian Good
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Karl Rove in Schaumburg 2/23
To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net
Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 4:11 PM
Scheduled to speak at the Marriott.
http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=268954&src=1
When Rove spoke in San Francisco last October, a gutsy blonde tried to arrest him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ili0jgn_JD4
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From mincam2 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 7 00:57:36 2009
From: mincam2 at yahoo.com (Chuck Minne)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 21:57:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Letter in Santa Barbara paper
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* Unembedded Truth - a letter by Lindsay Quock, published in this week's Santa Barbara Independent.
It was with profound shame that I left the theater after the Film Festival showing of The Road to Fallujah -a hatred of myself for not having devoted every minute of my life these past six years to stopping this horrible war. For having gone about my life as if things were normal. For spending most of each day forgetting that a holocaust is being waged in my name on innocent people at this very moment.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." [Edmund Burke] Or not enough.
What could I have done? Witness filmmaker Mark Manning. A former Santa Barbara oil rig worker, Manning took a night class in documentary filmmaking, then headed off to the Middle East. There, he met an Iraqi woman and helped her smuggle medical supplies into a hospital in Fallujah, shortly after U.S. forces converged on and captured it in 2004.
Manning stayed on to film the destruction there and the stories of the Iraqis who had survived it, probably the only unembedded Westerner in the city. What he brought back was devastating, horrifying, shameful. Neighborhoods flattened. Blood-stained walls. Charred bodies and dismembered limbs. Mass burials. Traumatized children, wailing mothers. People who, except for their mustaches and scarves, look like us - only much, much sadder.
Where was the humanitarian aid, the rebuilding we promised the Iraqis? As one soldier said in the film, the military's "not really set up for that." I saw no reconstruction. Only utter destruction.
I hope it haunts us forever.
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Free screening of "The Road to Fallujah", 9pm Friday, Feb.6th at the Riviera Theatre, 2044 Alameda Padre Serra, Santa Barbara.
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From mjkirk12 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 7 14:26:22 2009
From: mjkirk12 at yahoo.com (Mike Kirk)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 11:26:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Fw: REVISED: Halliburton Whistleblower Requests
Your Help To Protect Taxpayers
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--- On Fri, 2/6/09, National Whistleblowers Center - Bunny Greenhouse wrote:
From: National Whistleblowers Center - Bunny Greenhouse
Subject: REVISED: Halliburton Whistleblower Requests Your Help To Protect Taxpayers
To: "Michael Kirk"
Date: Friday, February 6, 2009, 7:45 PM
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Personal Letter From Bunny Greenhouse
Take?Action!
Please Urge Your Senators To Support Taxpayers!
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Dear Action Alert Member:
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My name is Bunny Greenhouse.? I am the former Procurement Executive and highest-ranking Army Corps of Engineers civilian procurement official. ?
Today I am asking you to contact your Senators and Representatives to demand, in the strongest possible terms, that employees who disclose fraud in federal contracting are fully and properly protected in the 800 billion dollar stimulus package that Congress is currently debating.? Here's why.
Shortly before the Iraq War commenced, I blew the whistle on improper contracting concerning the award of a multi-billion dollar no-bid, cost plus contract to Halliburton/KBR for the
reconstruction of Iraq.
I was concerned that improper contracting activity would cost the taxpayers billions ? and it did.? The contract should not have been awarded.? From
my inside prospective, it was clear that the ?fix was in? ? the contract was going to be awarded to Halliburton no matter what I said or did.
Those who should have protested the contract remained silent.? And their silence is not surprising because, as federal employees, we have no meaningful whistleblower protection!?? We can be fired for reporting fraud.? We can lose our careers simply for doing our job and trying to protect the taxpayer.
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I know this is true.? It happened to me.? The top brass demanded that I drop my protests.? I refused.?? The top brass ? many of whom had longstanding relations with government contractors ? retaliated.? They removed me from the Senior Executive Service and from anything having to do with contract oversight.? When I went to federal court to demand protection the judge dismissed my case because as a federal employee I had no protection.
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The bottom line is that without access to independent courts, real judges and juries, whistleblowers don?t stand a chance, and fairness and transparency will not see the light day.
Only Congress can fix this. The House of Representatives has already acted decisively by adding H.R. 985 to the stimulus bill, by a unanimous voice vote (now called H.R. 1, Section IV).?? President Obama's presidential campaign is on record as supporting the same whistleblower protections now found in House version of the stimulus bill. ?
So, the buck stops with the Senate.? I urge you to contact your Senators and let them know that whistleblower protection is a critical part of the stimulus package for protection of the public
trust.? I urge you to contact your Representatives and tell them to hold strong -- and refuse to cut whistleblower protections from the bill.? Federal employees, like me, who risk their careers to protect taxpayer money need to be protected.
Please act now!? Pass this letter to your friends!? Pass this letter to your co-workers!? Pass this letter to your family!? Send a letter to your Senator Now!
Billions of taxpayer dollars are at stake and it is up to the Senate to do the right thing.
Very truly yours,
?
Bunnatine H. Greenhouse
Former Procurement Executive
Army Corps of Engineers
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From: futurenotwritten at yahoo.com (Jay Becker)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 06:25:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Letter in Santa Barbara paper
In-Reply-To: <448088.4551.qm@web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Thanks for this stunning letter, so raw in its honesty.? If only the millions who put so much effort into changing the boss at the top of the pyramid of death had taken meaningful political action themselves--like this oil rig worker--to stop the crimes being committed in our name, the world would be a much better place. We can't change the past but we can act on this understanding from here
forward. It really is up to us and no change for the better will come
from politics as usual. This is a lesson to live everyday!
Thanks again, Chuck.
Stop thinking like an American,
Start thinking about humanity!
--- On Fri, 2/6/09, Chuck Minne wrote:
From: Chuck Minne
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Letter in Santa Barbara paper
To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net
Date: Friday, February 6, 2009, 11:57 PM
* Unembedded Truth - a letter by Lindsay Quock, published in this week's Santa Barbara Independent.
It was with profound shame that I left the theater after the Film Festival showing of The Road to Fallujah -a hatred of myself for not having devoted every minute of my life these past six years to stopping this horrible war. For having gone about my life as if things were normal. For spending most of each day forgetting that a holocaust is being waged in my name on innocent people at this very moment.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." [Edmund Burke] Or not enough.
What could I have done? Witness filmmaker Mark Manning. A former Santa Barbara oil rig worker, Manning took a night class in documentary filmmaking, then headed off to the Middle East. There, he met an Iraqi woman and helped her
smuggle medical supplies into a hospital in Fallujah, shortly after U.S. forces converged on and captured it in 2004.
Manning stayed on to film the destruction there and the stories of the Iraqis who had survived it, probably the only unembedded Westerner in the city. What he brought back was devastating, horrifying, shameful. Neighborhoods flattened. Blood-stained walls. Charred bodies and dismembered limbs. Mass burials. Traumatized children, wailing mothers. People who, except for their mustaches and scarves, look like us - only much, much sadder.
Where was the humanitarian aid, the rebuilding we promised the Iraqis? As one soldier said in the film, the military's "not really set up for that." I saw no reconstruction. Only utter destruction.
I hope it haunts us forever.
*******************************
Free screening of "The Road to Fallujah", 9pm Friday, Feb.6th at the Riviera Theatre, 2044 Alameda Padre Serra, Santa
Barbara.
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From geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com Thu Feb 12 18:49:58 2009
From: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com (Geri Perry)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:49:58 -0600
Subject: [CitizensTruth] [Fwd: Obama: The Market Is Issuing You A WARNING]
Message-ID: <4994B5A6.50504@thetwofacesofmoney.com>
Hi all,
In case you did not get the article below I am forwarding. It is long
but well worth the read.
You might also want to read my article which parallels but adds to the
one below (and note, I will be revising the first paragraph to make it
more readable before posting elsewhere): http://911awakening.com/?p=766
gerip
-------- Original Message --------
Tuesday, February 10. 2009
Posted by Karl Denninger
at 06:56
Obama: The Market Is Issuing You A WARNING
Put the kids away - this is not going to be pleasant.
I'm done Mr. President.
You stood in front of the American Public *and lied through your damn
teeth. *You claim that America faces a "catastrophe" if we don't pass
*your bill* - but its not *YOUR BILL*, its Pelosi's and Reid's bill - a
bill full of PORK and BS.
I'm tired of the lies, America is tired of the lies, *and we the
people are not going to sit still for it any longer.*
You promised us change. This is what we got for "change":
Your Treasury Secretary, Geithner, cheated on his taxes. He was caught.
He then failed to pay *the other two years* of tax for the same thing he
got caught doing, until you told him you wanted him to be the tax
*collector*. But that's not the worst of it. No, the worst part is
that when Bear Stearns got in trouble *he, as the head of the NY Fed,
knew full well that The Federal Reserve intended to open the discount
window to investment banks THE VERY NEXT DAY and yet this fact was NOT
disclosed to Bear Stearns, forcing them into a merger they would not
have otherwise consummated
.
THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS LOST THEIR JOBS AS A DIRECT CONSEQUENCE OF TIM
GEITHNER'S AND BEN BERNANKE'S INTENTIONAL CONCEALMENT OF THIS MATERIAL
FACT. Here is the quote
from the
NY Times:*
"But the night that Bear signed the original bid, *the Fed opened
what's known as the discount window to companies like Goldman Sachs
and Lehman Brothers - oh, yes, and to Bear, too. Except that the Fed
didn't tell Bear that it planned to open the window when it was
signing its deal with JPMorgan. *
Had Bear known it might have access to the discount window - a
crucial source of liquidity - it might have been able to hold out
for a couple more days or at least had enough leverage to seek a
higher bid. But the Fed clearly preferred the original bid."
You *WISH* The Internet wasn't around to hold your butt over the pot of
hot oil and dunk you on this one. Sorry Mr. President, *_NO DICE_*.
*GEITHNER MUST RESIGN NOW; HE IS UNFIT TO HOLD THE OFFICE TO WHICH YOU
APPOINTED HIM. PERIOD.*
We dealt with George W. Bush playing "disaster capitalism" with us for
more than *_eighteen months_*. Now you're doing it. Nice try, no
donut. I have been writing for close to *_two years_* in /The Market
Ticker/ about the *_fact_* that The Fed, Treasury and the former
administration were *directly responsible* for this mess through various
machinations such as "23A Exemption Letters", Paulson's entreaties to
remove leverage limits and the OCC's move (including asserting federal
preemption in court!) to preempt state regulation of subprime and ALT-A
mortgages. You've put forward plans to address *exactly none* of these
frauds and yet they are *the root of the problem*.
Further, you can't claim to "not know" because as a Senator your office
got copies of my petitions, faxes, and other communications. Your
constituents from Illinois asked me to send *_thousands_* of petition
signatures over those two years, and you *did* get them. Don't run a
grand line of BS on America that this all "came out of nowhere" and "it
was all Bush's fault." That's nice political theatre but it is also a
grand lie.
America has a *confidence problem* with the Capital Markets. So does
the rest of the world. That problem exists because of the *outright
fraud* and *idiocy *that has been undertaken and *permitted* by all
levels of our government, including the Executive. These frauds
included knowingly using bad model data to "rate" securities, shopping
ratings, shorting securities you're selling to your own customers in the
next room (without telling them you think they're overvalued, of course)
and getting "23A Exemptions" so you can lever up your exposure to
*failing parts of your business, thereby creating systemic risk where it
did not already exist*. Go have a look Mr. Obama - there are literally
*dozens* of "23A Exemption" letters now on file with The Fed.
*Virtually all of these institutions, if not all, have either failed or
received public support, yet exemption from safety and soundness banking
regulation has made their plight worse and their drain on the taxpayer
more onerous.* You have done *_exactly nothing_* to address this
outrage nor is there any reason to believe you will.
These "exotic financing products" were not* bought* Mr. President -
*they were sold by so-called "professionals" who knew full well that the
borrower could _never_ complete the original term as contracted. * Yet
the firms who packaged up these securities and sold them *knowing this
fact* remain in business, their executives remain in the corner office
and they siphoned off *$70 billion in bonuses from the first half of the
TARP. *You have done *exactly nothing* to disgorge those funds nor have
you directed the FBI to bring indictments or brought pressure to remove
these individuals from their positions. You have not revoked one
banking charter from any of these firms despite the fact that these
practices are *the precise reason we are here*.
These same firms have literal *trillions* in off-balance-sheet
securitizations that remain undisclosed and opaque. You have taken *no
step* to force their consolidation back onto the balance sheet, nor have
you announced any intention to do so. These conduits and SIVs are
*_literal_* ticking financial nuclear weapons and they *_will explode_*
as defaults continue to increase.
You continue to pretend that these firms "need some help" and "need a
backstop." Increasingly it is becoming clear to market observers such
as Nouriel Roubini, FT's Wolf
,
myself and others that the fact is that *these firms are and have been
bankrupt and you are conspiring with others to intentionally deceive the
public by refusing to demand that regulators and examiners to go in, do
their jobs, and report the _true_ capital levels of these companies - an
act that would result in their _immediate_ seizure by the FDIC.*
You believe you can pull the wool over Americans' eyes with your new
"TARP II" and "TALF" programs. *_The truth_* is that you intend to use
Treasury and Fed credit to allow *hedge funds* to make obscene profits
while *essentially all risk of loss is born by the taxpayer, shifting
off these bankrupt firm's liabilities _TO US_ while the executives and
firms continue to operate!*
This is yet *another outrage and is nothing more than an attempt to
shift the liabilities of _BANKRUPT_ institutions that have become
insolvent _by their own hand and acts_ to The American Taxpayer. *
Now let me explain what is almost certain to happen *_if_* you are
foolish enough to let Taxcheat Timmy pull this garbage.
See, these assets really are trash. Yeah, right now they are kicking
off cash flow. For now. But they're impaired and while their coupon
will pay for a while they will ultimately default on their face value
and recovery is pennies (and in the case of synthetics, zero) when they do.
So what happens here is that you provide 95% non-recourse financing.
Sir Hedge Fund buys a buttload of this garbage having only 5-10% of the
face at risk, and that's all they need to put up as well, since the
government is going to provide the financing - as a "no recourse" loan
(presumably very cheaply.) They get a 6-7% coupon which means that in
one year they're covered, and in two they're making money like a madman,
up 200% or more on their original risk capital.
But what happens when these instruments default?
Treasury is sitting on several *trillion* in backstops and financing of
loans to cover "assets" that are in fact worth zero. It winds up
*_eating_* the entire face value, while the Hedge Funds have made off
with *_all_* of the coupon money in the meantime!
The risk here is that Treasury is backed into a corner due to ramping
yields and perhaps even inability to roll over this debt at all and we
find ourselves forced into immediate cash accounting as a nation. This
in turn causes the instantaneous cessation *of Social Security and
Medicare payments*, as that is the only bucket big enough to cover the
shortfall.
Do you *_really_* want to go down that road Mr. President, because that
is *precisely* what's at the end of it, and it may be only a year or two
out!
If you think nobody beyond your vaunted administration has figured it
out *_YOU ARE WRONG_*.
If you think Americans will pay taxes to an institution that intends to
knowingly allow Hedge Funds to make hundreds of billions of dollars in
profit while sticking the taxpayer with upwards of $2 trillion in losses
and destroying all entitlements in a few years' time I suggest you have
a mental examination and get your lithium dose adjusted.
Your approval rating and in fact American's tolerance of this blatant
fraud, theft and chicanery is about to go straight down the toilet.
If you have an interest in having a successful Presidency (not to
mention any chance of a second term or even a stable, sound America to
be President *of*) you must immediately do all of the following:
* Revoke *_ALL_* of the so-called "23A Exemptions." Bernanke issued
them, you need to direct him to revoke them. *Safety and
soundness of the banking system must come before any one firm or
group of firms. *There are literally hundreds of banks that are
perfectly sound. There are also a bunch of big campaign
contributing banks that are *_bankrupt_* and have been for the
last eighteen months. *Americans know this - the secret is out and
its time to quit LYING*.
* Send in the examiners. Yeah, I know, you're talking about "stress
tests". Uh huh. Let's have those examinations now and
forevermore in the future be *public information*. If a bank
wants to operate under our laws and have the *privilege* of
fractional reserve banking, they can open their books and
examinations *at all times* to the public. Period.
* No more conduits, no more SIVs, no more games. If your "assets"
are worth 20 cents on the dollar today *that is their price*. If
that makes you insolvent *then you are* - period. We have an FDIC
and we have the authority to "cram down" failed institutions *for
a reason*. Use it.
* Send in *the cops*. The actions of major institutions up and down
the line since this crisis began in mid 2007 and in the years
leading up to it is at best grossly negligent and at worst
felonious. We the people are *_done_* with being the patsies of a
handful of thieves and frauds enabled by the 535 crooks in our
Capitol. *_STOP IT NOW_* and start jailing the crooks or be
judged as *_one of the felons_*. Your choice.
We are approaching *_yet another_ market implosion just like the one in
September and October*.
While it may come today or tomorrow, I wouldn't take that bet. In fact
I expect that people will "rejoice" that you didn't wipe every common
stockholder's equity stake in firms like Citibank, Bank America and
Goldman Sachs - even though you should. Because I expected you to do
the *_wrong_* thing, I actually bought some Citibank stock a short while
ago. Were you to do the right thing my position would be worthless. It
should be worthless. I'll bet its not - at least not immediately (and
that I'll make a profit as a consequence of your idiocy.)
When and if this dislocation comes, however, it will *destroy* what is
left of the American Banking System, it will expose that Bernanke has
*over one trillion dollars of garbage on The Fed's Balance Sheet*, and
that in turn will destroy the international market for United States
Treasury Debt.
In the best case we wind up like Japan and have a bunch of zombies
sucking up capital and doing nothing of value for our economy. In the
worst case we get much higher yields in the bond market and the
near-immediate bankruptcy of *_hundreds_* of midsize and larger firms,
including *virtually all financial firms in the S&P 500 and DOW, along
with all major multinationals that have a captive financing function.*
The Government *_cannot_* backstop it all. If you try the government
fails outright. The market is bigger than you, it is bigger than The
Fed, it is bigger than Treasury. You are subservient to The Market, not
the other way around. Go ask Bill Clinton about The Bond Market when he
tried to ramrod his Hillarycare plan through and what the reaction was.
That's 1/100th of what you're about to experience.
If Bernanke tries to "cap" yields into such a dislocation (he has
threatened to) he will cause *everyone *who owns Treasury debt to tender
it to him with the consequence that he will be forced to print *_five
trillion dollars_* in "new money". This will result in an *eighty
percent devaluation of the dollar almost instantaneously; *gasoline will
go to $10/gallon, Milk to $15/gallon, a loaf of bread to $10 and a
hamburger at McDonalds will likewise be $10. Due to global wage
arbitrage *wages will not increase*; this will as a consequence
immediately render 50% or more of Americans homeless, hungry and
jobless. *What do you think happens next Mr. President?*
The disease in our financial system is lying, too much leverage,
outright fraud and hidden bankruptcy - all of it perpetrated through and
with the *_explicit_* permission of government agencies
including Congress, The Executive and The Fed. We have lived beyond our
means through fraud for nearly 20 years *and this is no longer
possible*. As a direct consequence trust has been destroyed and private
capital has fled our credit markets *and will not return* so long as
these diseases remain in the system.
*Hiding the facts cannot cure the disease*; the excessive debt must be
*defaulted*; you cannot fix it by transferring where the leverage goes,
such as to Treasury or The Fed. The liars and frauds must be *exposed,
charged and locked up*, not protected and bailed out. Standards of
living *will contract* and people must learn to live within their
ability to earn, *including the government*, irrespective of politicians
that think they can promise to borrow ever-increasing sums forever.
President Obama, this next crash in the markets, if it occurs, *is your
sole responsibility. *
*It will come as a consequence of _your policies_ where you intend to
try to shift the BANKRUPT institutions' losses to The Taxpayer - a debt
that America _cannot finance_ and which _foreign governments and
investors WILL NOT_ cover.*
I'm well-aware of the Washington DC policy called "kick the can" but the
can is now full of cement and if you think you'll get through your term
before this all comes home to roost you are, to be polite, nuts.
You must stop the stupidity and you must stop it *_NOW_*.
The game of obfuscation and literally violating investors both foreign
and domestic as a consequence of fraud countenanced by our government is
*_over_*/. /
Both Americans and foreigners *know *about the lying and fraud; it is
pointless to continue to dissemble and obfuscate as you are merely
making a fool of yourself.
If you do not understand this and are being led by your "advisers", many
of whom are the very people who advocated the changes in policy over the
last 20 years that brought us here, you need new advisers, and you need
them today.
By tomorrow it may not matter, and it will *_certainly_* be your fault.
/Stephanie S. Jasky, /Founder, Director - FedUpUSA.org
/"/*/"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the
issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the
banks and corporations that will grow up around them, will deprive the
people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on
the continent their fathers conquered." /*-- Thomas Jefferson, Letter
1802 to Secretary of the Treasury, Albert Gallatin
*Sick of the Lies?** Do Something NOW**! (click logo below):** *
From futurenotwritten at yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 08:33:02 2009
From: futurenotwritten at yahoo.com (Jay Becker)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 05:33:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] "Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan"
Message-ID: <338414.85463.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Trying to Revive the Bubble Economy:
Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan
By MICHAEL HUDSON
This is a major expansion of Dr Hudson?s piece? that ran for some hours on yesterday?s site. AC/JSC
Martin Wolf started off his Financial Times
column for February 11 with the bold question: ?Has Barack Obama?s
presidency already failed?? The stock market had a similar opinion,
plunging 382 points. Having promised ?change,? Mr. Obama is giving us
more Clinton-Bush via Robert Rubin?s prot?g?, Tim Geithner. Tuesday?s
$2.5 trillion Financial Stabilization Plan to re-inflate the Bubble
Economy is basically an extension of the Bush-Paulson giveaway ? yet
more Rubinomics for financial insiders in the emerging Wall Street
trusts. The financial system is to be concentrated into a cartel of
just a few giant conglomerates to act as the economy?s central planners
and resource allocators. This makes banks the big winners in the game
of ?chicken? they?ve been playing with Washington, a shakedown holding
the economy hostage. ?Give us what we want or we?ll plunge the economy
into financial crisis.? Washington has given them $9 trillion so far,
with promises now of another $2 trillion? and still counting.
A
true reform ? one designed to undo the systemic market distortions that
led to the real estate bubble ? would have set out to reverse the
Clinton-Rubin repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act so as to prevent the
corrupting conflicts of interest that have resulted in vertical trusts
such as Citibank and Bank of America/Countrywide/Merrill Lynch. By
unleashing these conglomerate grupos (to use the term
popularized under Pinochet with Chicago Boy direction ? a dress
rehearsal of the mass financial bankruptcies they caused in Chile by
the end of the 1970s) the Clinton administration enabled banks to merge
with junk mortgage companies, junk-money managers, fictitious property
appraisal companies, and law-evasion firms all designed to package
debts to investors who trusted them enough to let them rake off enough
commissions and capital gains to make their managers the world?s
highest-paid economic planners.
http://counterpunch.org/hudson02122009.html
Stop thinking like an American,
Start thinking about humanity!
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From geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com Fri Feb 13 19:16:55 2009
From: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com (Geri Perry)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:16:55 -0600
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Homeland Security and USDA Plan Attacks Against
Animals with help of Monsanto and Illinois
Message-ID: <49960D77.3040401@thetwofacesofmoney.com>
Another horrifying example of grand theft economics --
BUT . . .
If you prefer not to be force fed GMO foods and "food" from cloned,
chemically laden animals - and you want more dots connecting the global
economic system you must read this (links to documentation included in
text):
http://www.breakthematrix.com/The-Public-Trust/Monsanto-in-Illinois-Homeland-Security-and-USDA-closed-meeting-to-plan-attacks-against-animals
Excerpts:
Many of you already know that Monsanto was involved in the development
of NAIS (National RFID identification system) which, to me, appears to
be the set up on the animal side, to do what Monsanto has done with
seeds - eliminate normal animals and substitute genetically engineered
animals. . . .
. . .NAIS is NSA-spying on steroids - imagine paying for the equipment
used to spy on you, yourself, having to keep it up, having to let the
government know in advance of every move your animals make (a trail
ride, for instance, your child bringing a pet chicken to school), and to
have to file paperwork within 24 hours afterwards or face penalties so
draconian
,
the second infraction if your chicken crosses the road and you fail to
report it on time, is $500,000.
. . . .NAIS is backed up by Homeland Security. Both are connected to
Monsanto and, as is typical of Monsanto, both are resulting in terror
for farmers. . . .Homeland Security regulations are in place to provide
the required destruction of normal animals and small farmers that
Monsanto needs for taking over with genetically engineered and patented
animals and making them the only option. This is happening in Asia
already with poultry as small farmers are being destroyed
for the
benefit of multinationals. Biotech companies are ready now to replace
all poultry in the world
with
their patented, thus privatized ?bird flu-resistant? super chickens
.
. .
This is Obama?s state.
Why is Monsanto so comfortable taking over there? Because Obama overrode
immense public objections and put in Vilsack, Monsanto?s boy? It is time
to make him responsible for his agencies and stop this assault on
American farming.
From rmigalla at earthlink.net Sun Feb 15 21:18:44 2009
From: rmigalla at earthlink.net (Robin Migalla)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 20:18:44 -0600
Subject: [CitizensTruth] FW: funny
Message-ID: <01C98FAA.9AEF5C00.rmigalla@earthlink.net>
Some of these are pretty funny...
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 14:10
Subject: Fw: funny
Ben & Jerry have created "Yes Pecan!" ice cream flavor for Obama.
For George W. they asked for suggestions from the public.
Here are some of their favorite responses:
- Grape Depression
- The Housing Crunch
- Abu Grape
- Cluster Fudge
- Nut'n Accomplished
- Good Riddance You Lousy Motherfucker... Swirl
- Iraqi Road
- Chock 'n Awe
- WireTapioca
- Impeach Cobbler
- Guantanmallow
- imPeachmint
- Heck of a Job, Brownie!
- Neocon Politan
- RockyRoad to Fascism
- The Reese's-cession
- Cookie D'oh!
- Nougalar Proliferation
- Death by Chocolate... and Torture
- Freedom Vanilla Ice Cream
- Chocolate Chip On My Shoulder
- Credit Crunch
- Mission Pecanplished
- Country Pumpkin
- Chunky Monkey in Chief
- WMDelicious
- Chocolate Chimp
- Bloody Sundae
- Caramel Preemptive Stripe
- I broke the law and am responsible for the deaths of thousands...
with nuts
From aroyboy44 at hotmail.com Mon Feb 16 01:44:38 2009
From: aroyboy44 at hotmail.com (andrew ritter)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 06:44:38 +0000
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Icke on Obama
Message-ID:
I'm
sure there are a variety of opinions on David Icke, but I think he has
some pretty solid arguments against Obama. I have included some
highlights below. Full posting is very long and sometimes wanders, but
also has a lot of indisputable facts & worth a read here:
Barack Obama: The Naked Emperor
http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/18281
I studied the military/government mind-control
programmes and techniques in great detail for many years during the
late-1990s and across 2000, and the Obama 'phenomenon' is the most
blatant mass-mind control operation you could wish to see.
At its core the plan has been to make Obama the focus
of everything you hope for, believe in and want to change. This is why
it has been crucial for him not to specify and detail what is meant by
his 'hope, 'change' and 'believe'.
However, I can tell you what those words mean in the context of the Obama mind-game. They mean whatever you decide they mean or want them
to mean. The idea is for you to project all that you stand for onto him
and so he becomes the symbol of you and how you see the world.
Specifics would destroy that 'I am whatever you want me to be' scenario
and so you don't get any detail, just 'hope', 'change', and 'believe'.
They don't want him to be seen only as 'the Messiah';
they also want him to be Abraham Lincoln, JFK, or Buddha - anyone you
choose to project on him, for he is a blank page, blank screen and
empty suit. Obama is a make-your-own, do-it-yourself leader, a
projection of your own mind. (If you are still asleep, that is. If you
are in any way awake, he's an open book.)
There is no more powerful way of manipulating people
than to tell them what they want to hear and to keep shtum about
anything they wouldn't like. Double-glazing salesmen are trained to
pick up in general conversation what their target likes and dislikes
and to respond accordingly in the way the product is sold. The
technique is simply to tell the potential buyer what you have gleaned
they want to be told.
Obama comes from the same stable, but on a massively
bigger scale and with a whole network of advisors and controllers
steeped in the art of manipulating minds, opinions and actions.
Obama's written-for-him speeches are not from the
heart, but from the autocue. The 'heart' bit comes from extensive
training and his Bill Clintonesque ability to 'mean it when he says
it', a state of delivery that goes beyond mere acting. Tony Blair was
trained in the same way.
But if you take a step back and look at these people
dispassionately you can clearly see the techniques they consciously
employ. Blair is the most blatant fraud in the way he delivers a line,
stops in mid-sentence for emphasis and looks down for fake emotional
effect. Obama is a little more slick, but, from where I have been
looking this past year, not much. And how have people not seen those
cold eyes just above the painted smile?
You can watch his mind working, turning between
autocue screens to his left and right, then straight down the camera
for his key messages. From-the-heart orators don't do that; they are
too immersed in what they are feeling and saying to give even a passing
thought to where they are looking or how the line is delivered.
I worked in television for more than a decade, often
reading autocue while a director spoke in my ear telling me what
cameras to look at. I have, since the early 1990s, spoken my truth on
public stages across the world. I know, therefore, the difference
between artificial autocue delivery and body language and talking from
the heart without a script. Obama, I repeat, is coming from the
autocue, not the heart.
As I keep emphasising, the whole Obama circus is an
exercise in mass mind control and it has been so successful because so
many people live their lives in a permanent state of trance. All of
which brings me to the parallels with Nazi Germany, fascist Italy and
similar regimes throughout history.
Obama may not look like Hitler, nor sound like
Hitler, but the themes are just the same. Germany was in a terrible
state economically and militarily in the 1930s in the aftermath of the
First World War and the reparations inflicted on the country by the
Rothschild/Illuminati-controlled Versailles 'Peace' Conference in 1919.
As the writer Webster Tarpley points out, fascism in its
true sense is not just a Police State imposed by a tiny hierarchy.
It
might end up like that, but first it is brought to power by a mass
movement from within the people who have no understanding of what the
'change', hope' and 'believe' they are being offered really means. They
just know that they want some because, as with Obama, they make it mean
what they want it to mean. Only later do they see, to their horror,
what they have signed up for.
Much the same thing is happening with regard to Bush
and Obama. The Neoconservative 'Republican' wing of the Illuminati
controlled Bush for eight years and led the country into foreign wars
and financial chaos (bad guy/problem); now the 'Democratic' wing, led
by the infamous Zbigniew Brzezinski, has brought forth the 'saviour',
Barack Obama, to lead us into the sunshine with 'hope' and 'change'
(good guy/solution).
Hence even some more aware people say: 'At least he's not Bush'.
Apart from the unspecified 'hope, 'change' and
'believe', few have any idea what Obama's policies will be. Public
perception comes from having an 'image' of him, or a self-projection,
not the fine print because Obama doesn't do fine print until the votes
are cast and even then he will hide it in his windbag words.
There is an 'image' that Obama is against war, but no he's not.
He says he's against the invasion of Iraq, though we'll see what he
does about that in office. How can a man calling for more troops,
including European troops, to be sent to Afghanistan be against war? He
has also said he is prepared to bomb Pakistan and use military force to
stop Iran building nuclear weapons and he has appointed Hillary 'Let's
bomb 'em' Clinton (Bilderberg Group, Trilateral Commission, Council on
Foreign Relations) as Secretary of State and re-appointed Bush's 'Let's
bomb 'em' Secretary of Defense, Robert Gates (Bilderberg Group, Council
on Foreign Relations). So that's the 'change we can believe in', then.
Obama isn't against war at all and, if his
controllers have their way, he will engage the US in even more foreign
conflicts with the troops sent to their deaths, and the deaths of their
targets, on a wave of oratory from the dark suit with the black face
who would never go where he's sending them.
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From dimension04 at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 16 02:40:12 2009
From: dimension04 at sbcglobal.net (Connie Smith)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 01:40:12 -0600
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Icke on Obama
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I personally think this description borders on paranoia -- which does NOT come from a condition of mental health.
When I met Obama a couple of times in 2002 in the little rooms of small-town IL politics, I'd like to know where those auto-cue cards were -- as he engaged in totally at-ease, spontaneous conversations, which are the very same as his expressions now in front of millions of people. Blair's obvious fakery and Clinton's obvious manipulations are nowhere to be seen in Obama's deeply natural behavior.
And he risked his entire political career by rallying Illinoisans in Chicago in 2003 along with the millions of others of us OUTSIDERS, against any invasion of Iraq. THEY would've had to "start training him" after that, because his speech on the outright stupidity of an invasion blistered their behinds and was intended to stop it from happening.
I'm pretty sure the extraordinary two humanitarian women who raised him immunized him against the attempts there no doubt have been to own him. As he rose to national prominence, he did strategically engage the powers-that-be in order to not be killed. But I think in time, because of his nature, we'll see just how much he's using them instead of them using him.
I think we'll be pleased at the counter-coup to the long takeover of our nation that Obama will pull off in time.
Connie
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From: andrew ritter
To: truth seekers
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 12:44 AM
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Icke on Obama
I'm sure there are a variety of opinions on David Icke, but I think he has some pretty solid arguments against Obama. I have included some highlights below. Full posting is very long and sometimes wanders, but also has a lot of indisputable facts & worth a read here:
Barack Obama: The Naked Emperor
http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/18281
I studied the military/government mind-control
programmes and techniques in great detail for many years during the
late-1990s and across 2000, and the Obama 'phenomenon' is the most
blatant mass-mind control operation you could wish to see.
At its core the plan has been to make Obama the focus
of everything you hope for, believe in and want to change. This is why
it has been crucial for him not to specify and detail what is meant by
his 'hope, 'change' and 'believe'.
However, I can tell you what those words mean in the context of the Obama mind-game. They mean whatever you decide they mean or want them
to mean. The idea is for you to project all that you stand for onto him
and so he becomes the symbol of you and how you see the world.
Specifics would destroy that 'I am whatever you want me to be' scenario
and so you don't get any detail, just 'hope', 'change', and 'believe'.
They don't want him to be seen only as 'the Messiah';
they also want him to be Abraham Lincoln, JFK, or Buddha - anyone you
choose to project on him, for he is a blank page, blank screen and
empty suit. Obama is a make-your-own, do-it-yourself leader, a
projection of your own mind. (If you are still asleep, that is. If you
are in any way awake, he's an open book.)
There is no more powerful way of manipulating people
than to tell them what they want to hear and to keep shtum about
anything they wouldn't like. Double-glazing salesmen are trained to
pick up in general conversation what their target likes and dislikes
and to respond accordingly in the way the product is sold. The
technique is simply to tell the potential buyer what you have gleaned
they want to be told.
Obama comes from the same stable, but on a massively
bigger scale and with a whole network of advisors and controllers
steeped in the art of manipulating minds, opinions and actions.
Obama's written-for-him speeches are not from the
heart, but from the autocue. The 'heart' bit comes from extensive
training and his Bill Clintonesque ability to 'mean it when he says
it', a state of delivery that goes beyond mere acting. Tony Blair was
trained in the same way.
But if you take a step back and look at these people
dispassionately you can clearly see the techniques they consciously
employ. Blair is the most blatant fraud in the way he delivers a line,
stops in mid-sentence for emphasis and looks down for fake emotional
effect. Obama is a little more slick, but, from where I have been
looking this past year, not much. And how have people not seen those
cold eyes just above the painted smile?
You can watch his mind working, turning between
autocue screens to his left and right, then straight down the camera
for his key messages. From-the-heart orators don't do that; they are
too immersed in what they are feeling and saying to give even a passing
thought to where they are looking or how the line is delivered.
I worked in television for more than a decade, often
reading autocue while a director spoke in my ear telling me what
cameras to look at. I have, since the early 1990s, spoken my truth on
public stages across the world. I know, therefore, the difference
between artificial autocue delivery and body language and talking from
the heart without a script. Obama, I repeat, is coming from the
autocue, not the heart.
As I keep emphasising, the whole Obama circus is an
exercise in mass mind control and it has been so successful because so
many people live their lives in a permanent state of trance. All of
which brings me to the parallels with Nazi Germany, fascist Italy and
similar regimes throughout history.
Obama may not look like Hitler, nor sound like
Hitler, but the themes are just the same. Germany was in a terrible
state economically and militarily in the 1930s in the aftermath of the
First World War and the reparations inflicted on the country by the
Rothschild/Illuminati-controlled Versailles 'Peace' Conference in 1919.
As the writer Webster Tarpley points out, fascism in its
true sense is not just a Police State imposed by a tiny hierarchy.
It
might end up like that, but first it is brought to power by a mass
movement from within the people who have no understanding of what the
'change', hope' and 'believe' they are being offered really means. They
just know that they want some because, as with Obama, they make it mean
what they want it to mean. Only later do they see, to their horror,
what they have signed up for.
Much the same thing is happening with regard to Bush
and Obama. The Neoconservative 'Republican' wing of the Illuminati
controlled Bush for eight years and led the country into foreign wars
and financial chaos (bad guy/problem); now the 'Democratic' wing, led
by the infamous Zbigniew Brzezinski, has brought forth the 'saviour',
Barack Obama, to lead us into the sunshine with 'hope' and 'change'
(good guy/solution).
Hence even some more aware people say: 'At least he's not Bush'.
Apart from the unspecified 'hope, 'change' and
'believe', few have any idea what Obama's policies will be. Public
perception comes from having an 'image' of him, or a self-projection,
not the fine print because Obama doesn't do fine print until the votes
are cast and even then he will hide it in his windbag words.
There is an 'image' that Obama is against war, but no he's not.
He says he's against the invasion of Iraq, though we'll see what he
does about that in office. How can a man calling for more troops,
including European troops, to be sent to Afghanistan be against war? He
has also said he is prepared to bomb Pakistan and use military force to
stop Iran building nuclear weapons and he has appointed Hillary 'Let's
bomb 'em' Clinton (Bilderberg Group, Trilateral Commission, Council on
Foreign Relations) as Secretary of State and re-appointed Bush's 'Let's
bomb 'em' Secretary of Defense, Robert Gates (Bilderberg Group, Council
on Foreign Relations). So that's the 'change we can believe in', then.
Obama isn't against war at all and, if his
controllers have their way, he will engage the US in even more foreign
conflicts with the troops sent to their deaths, and the deaths of their
targets, on a wave of oratory from the dark suit with the black face
who would never go where he's sending them.
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From: hal at drxyzzy.org (Hal Snyder)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 07:15:10 -0600
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Icke on Obama
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David Icke is an interesting phenomenon. He can be insightful,
charismatic, absurd, and hateful. I don't think he makes a strong case
against Obama.
Barack Obama and his administration clearly present a mixed picture.
However, in response to Icke's charge that he is working to control
the masses, there is ample evidence that Obama wants to restore
control of the government to the people. We see attempts at taking
community organizing to a national level. Community organizing is the
opposite of top-down mind control. It is based on encouraging people
to develop their own power.
... a viable organization can only be achieved if a broadly based
indigenous leadership ? and not one or two charismatic leaders ? can
knit together the diverse interests of their local institutions
- Barack Obama
References:
Documentary, DAVID ICKE: The Lizards and the Jews
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2912878405399014351
change.gov
usaservice.org
Why Organize? Problems and Promise in the Inner City - by Barack
Obama, 1990.
http://www.edwoj.com/Alinsky/AlinskyObamaChapter1990.htm
On Feb 16, 2009, at 12:44 AM, andrew ritter wrote:
> I'm sure there are a variety of opinions on David Icke, but I think
> he has some pretty solid arguments against Obama. I have included
> some highlights below. Full posting is very long and sometimes
> wanders, but also has a lot of indisputable facts & worth a read here:
>
> Barack Obama: The Naked Emperor
> http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/18281
>
>
> ...
> I worked in television for more than a decade, often reading autocue
> while a director spoke in my ear telling me what cameras to look at.
> I have, since the early 1990s, spoken my truth on public stages
> across the world. I know, therefore, the difference between
> artificial autocue delivery and body language and talking from the
> heart without a script. Obama, I repeat, is coming from the autocue,
> not the heart.
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From: futurenotwritten at yahoo.com (Jay Becker)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 06:15:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] United Call to Protest on 6th Anniversary of Wars
Message-ID: <568644.5805.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
PLEASE CIRCULATE WIDELY ? THANK YOU!
?
We invite you and your group to join
over 60 other organizations in co-sponsoring the following
Chicago area action on the 6th anniversary of
the illegal U.S. invasion of
Iraq .? This year's march will be in
Chicago 's Pilsen
neighborhood, partnering with local community groups to oppose the wars abroad
while opposing the attacks on immigrants here at
home.
?
Here is the call:
?
End
the occupations NOW!
?
Iraq ,
Afghanistan ,
Palestine !
?
STOP
the government's on Immigrants!
?
While we face the worst economic crisis
since the Great Depression, our government is handing cash to bankers at home
and pouring our tax dollars -- a trillion-plus and counting -- into foreign wars
that murder, maim and violate people's right to decide their own
future.
?
The reality is that there is no "good"
war ? in Iraq ,
Afghanistan ,
Pakistan or
Iran .
Our arms to
Israel make their war OUR war, as
well.
?
Decades of
U.S. policies
have imposed unequal trade agreements on immigrants' home countries that destroy
local economies -- forcing people to move here to seek the living wages they can
no longer earn at home. The new administration has continued Bush regime policy
toward immigrant workers, and is using the economic meltdown as a tool to
recruit more immigrant, minority, and poor youth to fight rich men's wars for
oil and power.?
?
On March 14, join us for a united
Chicagoland protest to oppose continuing
U.S. wars abroad
and war on immigrants at home:
?
Saturday, March 14,
2009
12 noon SHARP: assemble for a short
rally
Marshall
Boulevard &
Cermak
Road
(2 blocks from the "
California " stop on the
Pink Line "el")
?
And join us again the following
weekend, March 21, in
Washington , DC
to march on the Pentagon!
?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
?
Here is what we ask of co-sponsoring
organizations:
?
1) Publicity. ?Publicize the action via your website,
email lists, and Facebook and Myspace accounts.? Take responsibility for circulating
posters and handbills in a specific area of the city or suburbs.?
?
Union printed posters and handbills in
English and Spanish are available for pick up at locations around the area, and
the coalition website, www.chicagomassaction.org, has
downloadable pdfs.? Materials in
additional languages will be available shortly.
?
2)? Financial support.?
The suggested donation for groups co-sponsoring this year's event is $35
(more if you can).? If your group
would like a table at the opening and/or closing rally, we ask for an additional
$15 donation.
?
Checks can be made payable to "GLN" and
mailed to:? GLN,
4404 N Magnolia Avenue, Suite 420 ,
Chicago , IL
60640 .? In the memo section of your check,
please write the name of your group precisely how you like it to appear in our
publicity materials (in other words, please avoid acronyms unless that is how
you would like your group's name to appear).
?
3)? Help organizing the
event.? For the day of the event, we ask that
each endorsing group designate one or two of their members to work for the
coalition on that day.?
?
For those working for the coalition,
there will be a mandatory 1 hour orientation session to get our volunteers
familiar with the itinerary of the day and to distribute specific
responsibilities.? This mandatory
meeting will take place at 5 PM, Sunday, March 1st (immediately
following our general coalition meeting on that day) in the basement of St. Pius
Church, 1919 S. Ashland
Avenue (wheelchair accessible)
?
If your group would like to co-sponsor
Chicago 's peace / immigrant rights march on the
6th anniversary of the
U.S. invasion of
Iraq , please
email CCAWR at aol.com with your name, telephone number,
and the name of the group you are representing.
?
For
your information, here is our current list of
endorsers:
?
8th
Day
Center for
Justice
Albany Park , North
Park, Mayfair Neighbors for Peace &
Justice
American Friends Service
Committee
American Muslims for
Palestine
ANSWER
Chicago
Chicago Area CodePINK
Chicago Coalition Against War &
Racism
Chicago Committee to Defend the Bill of
Rights
Chicago Committee to Free the Cuban
5
Chicago Democratic Socialists of
America
Chicago Dyke March Collective
Chicago Free The Cuban Five
Committee
Chicago Industrial Workers of the
World
Chicago Progressive Examiner
Christian Peacemakers Team
Code Pink NW
Indiana Chapter
Comit? Anti-Militarizaci?n
(CAMI)
Cook
County
Green Party
Committee of Rank and File
Educators (CORE)
De
Kalb
Interfaith Network for Peace and Justice
D'Last Studio
Families 4 Peace
Freedom Road Socialist
Organization
Friends of Leon Berger
Gay Liberation Network
Hammerhard Media Works
International Socialist
Organization
International Solidarity
Movement
Kalpulli Nahuali
La Otra
La Voz de los de Abajo
Labor Beat/Labor Express
Lone Lantern
March 10th Committee
Meztizarte
Military Families Speak Out
Jorge Mujica
Nahui Ollin Danza Azteca
Near West Citizens for Peace &
Justice
Neighbors for Peace - Arlington
Heights
Neighbors for Peace -
Evanston
News and Letters
Nicaragua Solidarity Network
North
Shore Coalition for Peace and
Justice
Northwest Suburban Peace & Education
Project
Northwestern Students for Justice in
Palestine
NULeft
P&SC @
57th St Mof
Palestine Activist Network
Palestine Solidarity Group
Party for Socialism and
Liberation
Peace Pledge
Pilsen Environmental Rights & Reform Organization
(PERRO)
Roosevelt University
Activist
Alliance
Sex Workers Outreach Project
Chicago
Southwest Youth
Collaborative
Steve Alesch for 2009
Green
Party DuPage
County
Winfield
Township Trustee
Students for Justice in
Palestine -
Northwestern
Students for Justice in
Palestine -
UIC
Veterans For Peace
Voices for Creative
Non-Violence
Wellington
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Christ
Workers World Party
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From welaware at merr.com Mon Feb 16 09:16:37 2009
From: welaware at merr.com (Kris Knight)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 08:16:37 -0600
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Icke on Obama
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One of the advantages of a very, very broad range of resources that
come in is that I am getting a broad range of opinions/reads on Pres.
Obama. If I weren't, I'd likely be living in a world of despair right
now. But I'm not. At all. I feel more like the Kali energy in me is
holding me in good stead right now. (Look that up; a type of Black
Madonna energy; very comfortable with processes involving death...as a
part of transformation, DEstructuring..to make room for the new). It
is abundantly clear that major structures of behavior are being both
revealed and weakened depending on your viewpoint and what informs
you. For anyone who ONLY views the world from a political standpoint,
this is as limited as ONLY viewing the world from the standpoint of a
religion or a culture that thinks it is the center of the universe.
I have followed Icke's work for many years now and am thankful I came
to know him. However, I do think he generally gives WAY more time/
energy to castigating than talking about other viewpoints that give
people more hope for what is to come, not necessarily in our
lifetimes. He talks about that, but proportionately much less than I
think he could, and perhaps should consider, given his current
influence on what others are willing to consider as truth.
We could for sure have solid arguments against every one of us on this
list, but that would not necessarily mean we are each ONLY that or
even PRIMARILY that. And apparently the forces out to "GET" PRes.
Obama at this time are formidable. Let's all keep in mind that when
we "speak" of him or "think" of him in really negative terms, we
further their cause....
On Feb 16, 2009, at 12:44 AM, andrew ritter wrote:
>
> I'm sure there are a variety of opinions on David Icke, but I think
> he has some pretty solid arguments against Obama. I have included
> some highlights below. Full posting is very long and sometimes
> wanders, but also has a lot of indisputable facts & worth a read here:
>
> Barack Obama: The Naked Emperor
> http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/18281
>
>
> I studied the military/government mind-control
> programmes and techniques in great detail for many years during the
> late-1990s and across 2000, and the Obama 'phenomenon' is the most
> blatant mass-mind control operation you could wish to see.
>
> At its core the plan has been to make Obama the focus
> of everything you hope for, believe in and want to change. This is why
> it has been crucial for him not to specify and detail what is meant by
> his 'hope, 'change' and 'believe'.
>
> However, I can tell you what those words mean in the context of the
> Obama mind-game. They mean whatever you decide they mean or want them
> to mean. The idea is for you to project all that you stand for onto
> him
> and so he becomes the symbol of you and how you see the world.
> Specifics would destroy that 'I am whatever you want me to be'
> scenario
> and so you don't get any detail, just 'hope', 'change', and 'believe'.
>
> They don't want him to be seen only as 'the Messiah';
> they also want him to be Abraham Lincoln, JFK, or Buddha - anyone you
> choose to project on him, for he is a blank page, blank screen and
> empty suit. Obama is a make-your-own, do-it-yourself leader, a
> projection of your own mind. (If you are still asleep, that is. If you
> are in any way awake, he's an open book.)
> There is no more powerful way of manipulating people
> than to tell them what they want to hear and to keep shtum about
> anything they wouldn't like. Double-glazing salesmen are trained to
> pick up in general conversation what their target likes and dislikes
> and to respond accordingly in the way the product is sold. The
> technique is simply to tell the potential buyer what you have gleaned
> they want to be told.
>
> Obama comes from the same stable, but on a massively
> bigger scale and with a whole network of advisors and controllers
> steeped in the art of manipulating minds, opinions and actions.
>
> Obama's written-for-him speeches are not from the
> heart, but from the autocue. The 'heart' bit comes from extensive
> training and his Bill Clintonesque ability to 'mean it when he says
> it', a state of delivery that goes beyond mere acting. Tony Blair was
> trained in the same way.
>
> But if you take a step back and look at these people
> dispassionately you can clearly see the techniques they consciously
> employ. Blair is the most blatant fraud in the way he delivers a line,
> stops in mid-sentence for emphasis and looks down for fake emotional
> effect. Obama is a little more slick, but, from where I have been
> looking this past year, not much. And how have people not seen those
> cold eyes just above the painted smile?
>
> You can watch his mind working, turning between
> autocue screens to his left and right, then straight down the camera
> for his key messages. From-the-heart orators don't do that; they are
> too immersed in what they are feeling and saying to give even a
> passing
> thought to where they are looking or how the line is delivered.
>
> I worked in television for more than a decade, often
> reading autocue while a director spoke in my ear telling me what
> cameras to look at. I have, since the early 1990s, spoken my truth on
> public stages across the world. I know, therefore, the difference
> between artificial autocue delivery and body language and talking from
> the heart without a script. Obama, I repeat, is coming from the
> autocue, not the heart.
> As I keep emphasising, the whole Obama circus is an
> exercise in mass mind control and it has been so successful because so
> many people live their lives in a permanent state of trance. All of
> which brings me to the parallels with Nazi Germany, fascist Italy and
> similar regimes throughout history.
>
> Obama may not look like Hitler, nor sound like
> Hitler, but the themes are just the same. Germany was in a terrible
> state economically and militarily in the 1930s in the aftermath of the
> First World War and the reparations inflicted on the country by the
> Rothschild/Illuminati-controlled Versailles 'Peace' Conference in
> 1919.
> As the writer Webster Tarpley points out, fascism in its
> true sense is not just a Police State imposed by a tiny hierarchy.
>
> It
> might end up like that, but first it is brought to power by a mass
> movement from within the people who have no understanding of what the
> 'change', hope' and 'believe' they are being offered really means.
> They
> just know that they want some because, as with Obama, they make it
> mean
> what they want it to mean. Only later do they see, to their horror,
> what they have signed up for.
> Much the same thing is happening with regard to Bush
> and Obama. The Neoconservative 'Republican' wing of the Illuminati
> controlled Bush for eight years and led the country into foreign wars
> and financial chaos (bad guy/problem); now the 'Democratic' wing, led
> by the infamous Zbigniew Brzezinski, has brought forth the 'saviour',
> Barack Obama, to lead us into the sunshine with 'hope' and 'change'
> (good guy/solution).
>
> Hence even some more aware people say: 'At least he's not Bush'.
>
> Apart from the unspecified 'hope, 'change' and
> 'believe', few have any idea what Obama's policies will be. Public
> perception comes from having an 'image' of him, or a self-projection,
> not the fine print because Obama doesn't do fine print until the votes
> are cast and even then he will hide it in his windbag words.
>
> There is an 'image' that Obama is against war, but no he's not.
> He says he's against the invasion of Iraq, though we'll see what he
> does about that in office. How can a man calling for more troops,
> including European troops, to be sent to Afghanistan be against war?
> He
> has also said he is prepared to bomb Pakistan and use military force
> to
> stop Iran building nuclear weapons and he has appointed Hillary 'Let's
> bomb 'em' Clinton (Bilderberg Group, Trilateral Commission, Council on
> Foreign Relations) as Secretary of State and re-appointed Bush's
> 'Let's
> bomb 'em' Secretary of Defense, Robert Gates (Bilderberg Group,
> Council
> on Foreign Relations). So that's the 'change we can believe in', then.
>
> Obama isn't against war at all and, if his
> controllers have their way, he will engage the US in even more foreign
> conflicts with the troops sent to their deaths, and the deaths of
> their
> targets, on a wave of oratory from the dark suit with the black face
> who would never go where he's sending them.
>
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From: futurenotwritten at yahoo.com (Jay Becker)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 06:26:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Icke on Obama
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In what ways is the Obama administration "restoring control of the government to the people"? Not some words dug up from a speech that appeals to our prejudices but in fact, in deeds. The wars continue and are being expanded, despite the fact that millions have voted for the Democrats in two election cycles as a vote to end those wars. The bail-out? Commentators across the political spectrum agree that it is essentially the same approach that the Bush administration took, with a few revisions. Ending renditions? Last week the Obama Dept. of Justice (!) went into court and argued just what the Bush DoJ had: "Don't let lawsuits by detainees seeking redress for the crimes committed against them go forward because they will expose state secrets" - namely, the crimes against international law this government wants to continue behind the veil of state secrets!
If we go along with all this because of a few crumbs thrown our way (precious few, in fact), then we are indeed complicit with that, and much more.
"On the inauguration, crimes...and complicity"
By Bob Avakian
http://www.revcom.us/a/157/Avakian_on_Obama-en.html
Stop thinking like an American,
Start thinking about humanity!
--- On Mon, 2/16/09, Hal Snyder wrote:
From: Hal Snyder
Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] Icke on Obama
To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net
Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 7:15 AM
David Icke is an interesting phenomenon. He can be insightful, charismatic, absurd, and hateful. I don't think he makes a strong case against Obama.
Barack Obama and his administration clearly present a mixed picture.
However, in response to Icke's charge that he is working to control the masses, there is ample evidence that Obama wants to restore control of the government to the people. We see attempts at taking community organizing to a national level. Community organizing is the opposite of top-down mind control. It is based on encouraging people to develop their own power.
...?a viable organization can only be achieved if a broadly based indigenous leadership ? and not one or two charismatic leaders ? can knit together the diverse interests of their local institutions- Barack Obama
References:
Documentary,?DAVID ICKE: The Lizards and the?Jewshttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2912878405399014351
change.govusaservice.org
Why Organize? Problems and Promise in the Inner City - by Barack Obama, 1990.http://www.edwoj.com/Alinsky/AlinskyObamaChapter1990.htm
On Feb 16, 2009, at 12:44 AM, andrew ritter wrote:
I'm sure there are a variety of opinions on David Icke, but I think he has some pretty solid arguments against Obama.? I have included some highlights below.? Full posting is very long and sometimes wanders, but also has a lot of indisputable facts & worth a read here:
Barack Obama: The Naked Emperor
http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/18281
...
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From: futurenotwritten at yahoo.com (Jay Becker)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 06:47:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Another view, from Black Agenda Report
Message-ID: <378038.42117.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Black Agenda Report
Freedom Rider: When Will We March Against Obama?
Tuesday, 10 February 2009
"Give Obama a chance." some of his less critical supporters say. "Do you think you're smarter than Obama?", some of the less polite ones ask. But those are not the real questions. The real question is how long it will be before the left wakes up and finds
its own voice. Shut out of Obama's policymaking circles, there are few choices but to speak up. How long before more of us seek to unambiguously hold the new president and his record accountable?
How long before protesters hit the street?
Freedom Rider: When Will We March Against Obama?
by BAR editor and senior columnist Margaret Kimberley
"The Obama administration' s position is not change. It is more of the same."
In just three weeks, the Barack Obama administration has demonstrated its determination to hold on to the same presidential prerogatives claimed by George W. Bush. Bush's successor evidently wants the same prerogatives and he wants to get them through by the
same means. Obama supporters either don't care or are too deep in denial to admit this now obvious fact.
The much talked about Obama administration changes in interrogation policy and intelligence gathering are nothing more than talk. Leon Panetta, CIA director nominee, made it official during his confirmation hearing.
Initially Panetta stated an incontrovertible and well documented fact, that the Bush administration kidnapped people around the world for the purpose of interrogating and torturing them. When republican Senator Kit Bond took Panetta to task for being truthful, Panetta obediently remembered his place, backtracked and told an enormous
lie. "I am not aware of the validity of those claims."
The Senate wasn't finished with Panetta, who must have forgotten that under no circumstances was he to stand up for truth and justice. The Obama administration made a big deal about following the rules regarding prisoner treatment laid out in the Army Field
Manual. Panetta was then asked/told if he would ever violate those rules if he felt he needed too. Once again, he folded and used the same rationale for torture that the Bush administration used. "If we had a ticking bomb situation, and obviously, whatever was being used I felt was not sufficient, I would not hesitate to go to the president of the United States and request whatever additional authority I would need." A predictable plot line from stale movie thrillers is still directing official government policy instead of American and international law.
"Panetta said that renditions to third countries may continue. Republican Senators weren't finished showing Panetta who is boss. He ended his session reassuring the minority party members he would check to see if "enhance interrogation techniques" ever provided useful information. Panetta also said that renditions to third countries may continue. "Using renditions, we may very well direct individuals to third countries. I will seek the same kinds of assurances that they will not be treated inhumanely." I certainly wouldn't want to be a prisoner who got an assurance from the American government.
As Panetta disabused anyone of the notion that the two parties behave differently, a court in London, England revealed that the Bush administration and now the Obama administration threatened to withhold intelligence information if courts in that country
persisted in asking questions about the treatment of Britons held in Guantanamo. The British judges were not amused. "Indeed we did not consider that a democracy governed by the rule of law would expect a court in another democracy to suppress a summary of the evidence contained in reports by its own officials ... relevant to allegations of torture and cruel, inhumane, or degrading treatment, politically embarrassing though it might be."
Those judges with their fancy wigs just don't get it. Neither Bush nor Obama cares that much about democracy. The Obama administration issued a statement saying just that. "The United States thanks the UK government for its continued commitment to protect sensitive national security information and preserve the long-standing intelligence sharing relationship that enables both countries to protect their citizens."
The American Civil Liberties Union assessed the situation clearly. "The Obama administration' s position is not change. It is more of the same. This represents a complete turn-around and undermining of the restoration of the rule of law. The new American
administration shouldn't be complicit in hiding the abuses of its predecessors. "
"Neither Bush nor Obama cares that much about democracy."
So, when do we march? We have an administration that has officially upheld the lawlessness of the previous administration. The same people who took to the streets or at the very least engaged in righteous indignation over Bush administration actions should not
silently sit by and allow Obama to do the same things.
It isn't too soon to protest. He told us right away that there is no change we can believe in. We don't have to wait for bombs to fall on Iran or for more prisoners to be denied their human rights.
It is not only acceptable but imperative that we speak up now. We must say that Iran has the right to have nuclear power or nuclear weapons or satellites or anything else it wants without being threatened by the United States. We must say that the continuation
of Bush administration human rights abuses will not be excused under the guise of giving Obama one hundred magical days to learn his new job.
It is time to take not only Obama to task, but faux progressives to task as well. They are the Obamites who claimed they would hold his feet to the fire if we would just shut up and let him get elected. It is time to protest against them too and call them out for being
the hypocrites they are.
That means a lot of protesting needs to be done. Why waste time when Obama isn't wasting any. We must get started now.
Margaret Kimberley's Freedom Rider column appears weekly in BAR. Ms. Kimberley lives in New York City, and can be reached via e-Mail at Margaret.Kimberley( at)BlackAgandaRe port.Com. Ms. Kimberley maintains an edifying and frequently updated blog at
freedomrider. blogspot. com .
Stop thinking like an American,
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From: janice.matthews at gmail.com (Janice Matthews)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 08:59:09 -0600
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Obama as change vs. more-o-same-Empire-guy
In-Reply-To: <374179.14017.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <374179.14017.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <49997F3D.7090909@gmail.com>
Yeah, I'm afraid I agree here and would like to be shown what's changing
for human beings under the Obama Regime. I still see him as the new,
much more eloquent, convincing, and thus dangerous, face of the
desperate and crumbling Empire. USA Today reports this national poll
today, showing 2/3 of Americans want investigation (and nearly half of
those want prosecution) :
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-02-11-investigation-poll_N.htm
. I would like to see investigation/prosecution begin, rather than
hearing "I prefer to be forward-looking but will let Eric Holder decide
whether to prosecute." (The same Eric Holder who managed to keep
OKC/Kenny Trentadue's death under wraps, and those perpetrators to go
free? great...)
That does not look, at all, like change to me. Further, Jason Leopold
(ConsortiumNews.com) just published an excellent piece called "Torture
Report Erodes Bush's Defense." And Jonathan Turley and other
Constitutional lawyers (remember, Obama is one...) are stating firmly
that he /must/ prosecute or he will be guilty of the same! The Raytheon
executive in charge of the Pentagon finances when it was announced
(9/10/01) they'd lost 3.2 TRILLION DOLLARS from the Pentagon budget has
been appointed BY OBAMA as Deputy Defense Secretary
(www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=12291
). I could go on and on about who he's appointed, but won't. Oh, and he
just sent more drones into Pakistan and killed another 60 "terrorists."
Honestly, I simply do not understand how people can see this as a string
of positive events, though I'm willing to listen if there's some truth
and reality I'm not seeing ... top-down convincing people that they
should "sign up" to organize repairing the nation feels to me like
convincing the worker-bees to produce more, to bolster the company's
future, while selling the assembly-line products to powers destroying
the world... "Produce more of these genetic seeds... they're good for
the world." kind of thing. He may be eloquent, but my opinion is that
makes him a more believable liar. Look at what he's DOING, not what he's
saying.
And frankly, what's the question here... If I beat my children, and am
caught (and admit it on national television), I would be arrested and
tried for it. No question. If I did it to hundreds (or thousands) of
people, I'd make front page headlines, endless hours on the 24-7-news
channels, and fear to walk the streets, lest people beat/kill me for my
heinous crimes. So really. What's the difference?! I simply do not
understand people having any question about this whatsoever!! Crime ->
investigation -> admission -> trial -> sentencing. Period. No matter why
we feel the need to consider whether we should push for prosecution, the
fact that we're having to "consider whether" to prosecute is what needs
to be looked at!
Thanks for listening...
Janice
Jay Becker wrote:
> In what ways is the Obama administration "restoring control of the
> government to the people"? Not some words dug up from a speech that
> appeals to our prejudices but in fact, in deeds. The wars continue and
> are being expanded, despite the fact that millions have voted for the
> Democrats in two election cycles as a vote to end those wars. The
> bail-out? Commentators across the political spectrum agree that it is
> essentially the same approach that the Bush administration took, with
> a few revisions. Ending renditions? Last week the Obama Dept. of
> Justice (!) went into court and argued just what the Bush DoJ had:
> "Don't let lawsuits by detainees seeking redress for the crimes
> committed against them go forward because they will expose state
> secrets" - namely, the crimes against international law this
> government wants to continue behind the veil of state secrets!
>
> If we go along with all this because of a few crumbs thrown our way
> (precious few, in fact), then we are indeed complicit with that, and
> much more.
>
> "On the inauguration, crimes...and complicity"
> By Bob Avakian
>
> http://www.revcom.us/a/157/Avakian_on_Obama-en.html
>
>
>
>
> * *//Stop thinking like an American,
> Start thinking about humanity!
>
>
> --- On *Mon, 2/16/09, Hal Snyder //* wrote:
>
> From: Hal Snyder
> Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] Icke on Obama
> To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net
> Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 7:15 AM
>
> David Icke is an interesting phenomenon. He can be insightful,
> charismatic, absurd, and hateful. I don't think he makes a strong
> case against Obama.
>
> Barack Obama and his administration clearly present a mixed picture.
>
> However, in response to Icke's charge that he is working to
> control the masses, there is ample evidence that Obama wants to
> restore control of the government to the people. We see attempts
> at taking community organizing to a national level. Community
> organizing is the opposite of top-down mind control. It is based
> on encouraging people to develop their own power.
>
> /... a viable organization can only be achieved if a broadly based
> indigenous leadership ? and not one or two charismatic leaders ?
> can knit together the diverse interests of their local institutions/
> - Barack Obama
>
> References:
>
> Documentary, DAVID ICKE: The Lizards and the Jews
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2912878405399014351
>
> change.gov
> usaservice.org
>
> Why Organize? Problems and Promise in the Inner City - by Barack
> Obama, 1990.
> http://www.edwoj.com/Alinsky/AlinskyObamaChapter1990.htm
>
> On Feb 16, 2009, at 12:44 AM, andrew ritter wrote:
>
>> I'm sure there are a variety of opinions on David Icke, but I
>> think he has some pretty solid arguments against Obama. I have
>> included some highlights below. Full posting is very long and
>> sometimes wanders, but also has a lot of indisputable facts &
>> worth a read here:
>>
>> Barack Obama: The Naked Emperor
>> http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/18281
>>
>>
>> ...
>> I worked in television for more than a decade, often reading
>> autocue while a director spoke in my ear telling me what cameras
>> to look at. I have, since the early 1990s, spoken my truth
>> on public stages across the world. I know, therefore, the
>> difference between artificial autocue delivery and body language
>> and talking from the heart without a script. Obama, I repeat, is
>> coming from the autocue, not the heart.
> _______________________________________________
> CitizensTruth mailing
> list
> CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth
> website: http://citizenstruth.info
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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From: welaware at merr.com (Kris Knight)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:00:23 -0600
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Another view, from Black Agenda Report
In-Reply-To: <378038.42117.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <378038.42117.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID:
As long as we go directly to the lines of communication set up for
giving feedback, and not just P&M and foment distress, this is a
viable option that would feed into the mix. And I appreciate the
summary below. And what of the good going on? Do you have a summary
source for that also? Let's see, Pres. Obama hasn't been in office
for even a month yet, right?
On Feb 16, 2009, at 8:47 AM, Jay Becker wrote:
> Black Agenda Report
> Freedom Rider: When Will We March Against Obama?
> Tuesday, 10 February 2009
>
> "Give Obama a chance." some of his less critical supporters say. "Do
> you think you're smarter than Obama?", some of the less polite ones
> ask. But those are not the real questions. The real question is how
> long it will be before the left wakes up and finds
> its own voice. Shut out of Obama's policymaking circles, there are
> few choices but to speak up. How long before more of us seek to
> unambiguously hold the new president and his record accountable?
> How long before protesters hit the street?
> Freedom Rider: When Will We March Against Obama?
>
> by BAR editor and senior columnist Margaret Kimberley
>
> "The Obama administration' s position is not change. It is more of
> the same."
>
> In just three weeks, the Barack Obama administration has
> demonstrated its determination to hold on to the same presidential
> prerogatives claimed by George W. Bush. Bush's successor evidently
> wants the same prerogatives and he wants to get them through by the
> same means. Obama supporters either don't care or are too deep in
> denial to admit this now obvious fact.
>
> The much talked about Obama administration changes in interrogation
> policy and intelligence gathering are nothing more than talk. Leon
> Panetta, CIA director nominee, made it official during his
> confirmation hearing.
>
> Initially Panetta stated an incontrovertible and well documented
> fact, that the Bush administration kidnapped people around the world
> for the purpose of interrogating and torturing them. When republican
> Senator Kit Bond took Panetta to task for being truthful, Panetta
> obediently remembered his place, backtracked and told an enormous
> lie. "I am not aware of the validity of those claims."
>
> The Senate wasn't finished with Panetta, who must have forgotten
> that under no circumstances was he to stand up for truth and
> justice. The Obama administration made a big deal about following
> the rules regarding prisoner treatment laid out in the Army Field
> Manual. Panetta was then asked/told if he would ever violate those
> rules if he felt he needed too. Once again, he folded and used the
> same rationale for torture that the Bush administration used. "If we
> had a ticking bomb situation, and obviously, whatever was being used
> I felt was not sufficient, I would not hesitate to go to the
> president of the United States and request whatever additional
> authority I would need." A predictable plot line from stale movie
> thrillers is still directing official government policy instead of
> American and international law.
>
> "Panetta said that renditions to third countries may continue.
> Republican Senators weren't finished showing Panetta who is boss. He
> ended his session reassuring the minority party members he would
> check to see if "enhance interrogation techniques" ever provided
> useful information. Panetta also said that renditions to third
> countries may continue. "Using renditions, we may very well direct
> individuals to third countries. I will seek the same kinds of
> assurances that they will not be treated inhumanely." I certainly
> wouldn't want to be a prisoner who got an assurance from the
> American government.
>
> As Panetta disabused anyone of the notion that the two parties
> behave differently, a court in London, England revealed that the
> Bush administration and now the Obama administration threatened to
> withhold intelligence information if courts in that country
> persisted in asking questions about the treatment of Britons held in
> Guantanamo. The British judges were not amused. "Indeed we did not
> consider that a democracy governed by the rule of law would expect a
> court in another democracy to suppress a summary of the evidence
> contained in reports by its own officials ... relevant to
> allegations of torture and cruel, inhumane, or degrading treatment,
> politically embarrassing though it might be."
>
> Those judges with their fancy wigs just don't get it. Neither Bush
> nor Obama cares that much about democracy. The Obama administration
> issued a statement saying just that. "The United States thanks the
> UK government for its continued commitment to protect sensitive
> national security information and preserve the long-standing
> intelligence sharing relationship that enables both countries to
> protect their citizens."
>
> The American Civil Liberties Union assessed the situation clearly.
> "The Obama administration' s position is not change. It is more of
> the same. This represents a complete turn-around and undermining of
> the restoration of the rule of law. The new American
> administration shouldn't be complicit in hiding the abuses of its
> predecessors. "
>
> "Neither Bush nor Obama cares that much about democracy."
>
> So, when do we march? We have an administration that has officially
> upheld the lawlessness of the previous administration. The same
> people who took to the streets or at the very least engaged in
> righteous indignation over Bush administration actions should not
> silently sit by and allow Obama to do the same things.
>
> It isn't too soon to protest. He told us right away that there is no
> change we can believe in. We don't have to wait for bombs to fall on
> Iran or for more prisoners to be denied their human rights.
>
> It is not only acceptable but imperative that we speak up now. We
> must say that Iran has the right to have nuclear power or nuclear
> weapons or satellites or anything else it wants without being
> threatened by the United States. We must say that the continuation
> of Bush administration human rights abuses will not be excused under
> the guise of giving Obama one hundred magical days to learn his new
> job.
>
> It is time to take not only Obama to task, but faux progressives to
> task as well. They are the Obamites who claimed they would hold his
> feet to the fire if we would just shut up and let him get elected.
> It is time to protest against them too and call them out for being
> the hypocrites they are.
>
> That means a lot of protesting needs to be done. Why waste time when
> Obama isn't wasting any. We must get started now.
>
> Margaret Kimberley's Freedom Rider column appears weekly in BAR. Ms.
> Kimberley lives in New York City, and can be reached via e-Mail at
> Margaret.Kimberley( at)BlackAgandaRe port.Com. Ms. Kimberley
> maintains an edifying and frequently updated blog at
> freedomrider. blogspot. com .
>
>
> Stop thinking like an American,
> Start thinking about humanity!
>
> _______________________________________________
> CitizensTruth mailing list
> CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth
> website: http://citizenstruth.info
Kris Knight of WellAware Life Enhancement Center
Phone: 1-608-ALL-LIFE
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From: welaware at merr.com (Kris Knight)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:19:00 -0600
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Obama as change vs. more-o-same-Empire-guy
In-Reply-To: <49997F3D.7090909@gmail.com>
References: <374179.14017.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
<49997F3D.7090909@gmail.com>
Message-ID:
All great points, and thank you. Just keeping up with the facts is
formidable, much less having an educated opinion about things... But
I would also ask...in what ways can we move forward without putting so
much energy into being steered by those in politics? We are
surrounded by negativity, including much coming from within our ranks
which feeds the collective of negativity. HOW can we withdraw our
energy from that and INVEST our energy in redirecting outcomes TOWARD
positive? One initial question which on the surface seems shallow, or
redundant, but isn't really---where do I put my money? And where do I
put my attention, my fascination, my gratitude? They are all currency.
What do you fill your daily brain/mind workings with? what is the
ratio? And then, what do you suppose you truly emanate to others,
which is NOT what you do but what comes from or actually IS the
essence of everything that makes you up, incl. every thought. Since I
know little about each of you and what you fill your lives with
outside of what I read, it is difficult to know to whom I am writing
this...but it is relevant for each of us. For me every day. WHAT DO
I EMANATE INTO THE ENERGETIC WORLD???
I'D honestly like to hear more about people who are of this group
list. Perhaps we each are emanating much that is positively feeding
the web of LIFE but use this group to focus on a really challenging
aspect of LIFE on this planet. Hal probably knows alot about each of
us, but I know nearly nothing about most of you. And if you think
this is poppycock to request more info about what it is you fill your
lives with behind the words we all read on this list, why, I wonder,
would this seem so irrelevant or pointless to you? Not so much what
you DO but what you feel you emanate out into the world when you're
standing still...and don't be modest. Be honest.
Right now I"m looking at an extraordinary picture of Jane Goodall,
having eye contact with a huge gorilla that is literally holding her
in its arms, looking at her. WHAT they emanate is abundantly clear.
If I looked into your eyes right now, what would I see, what would
they tell me? If you put your hand on me right now, what would that
contact tell me?
On Feb 16, 2009, at 8:59 AM, Janice Matthews wrote:
> Yeah, I'm afraid I agree here and would like to be shown what's
> changing for human beings under the Obama Regime. I still see him as
> the new, much more eloquent, convincing, and thus dangerous, face of
> the desperate and crumbling Empire. USA Today reports this national
> poll today, showing 2/3 of Americans want investigation (and nearly
> half of those want prosecution) : http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-02-11-investigation-poll_N.htm
> . I would like to see investigation/prosecution begin, rather than
> hearing "I prefer to be forward-looking but will let Eric Holder
> decide whether to prosecute." (The same Eric Holder who managed to
> keep OKC/Kenny Trentadue's death under wraps, and those perpetrators
> to go free? great...)
>
> That does not look, at all, like change to me. Further, Jason
> Leopold (ConsortiumNews.com) just published an excellent piece
> called "Torture Report Erodes Bush's Defense." And Jonathan Turley
> and other Constitutional lawyers (remember, Obama is one...) are
> stating firmly that he must prosecute or he will be guilty of the
> same! The Raytheon executive in charge of the Pentagon finances when
> it was announced (9/10/01) they'd lost 3.2 TRILLION DOLLARS from the
> Pentagon budget has been appointed BY OBAMA as Deputy Defense
> Secretary (www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=12291 ). I
> could go on and on about who he's appointed, but won't. Oh, and he
> just sent more drones into Pakistan and killed another 60
> "terrorists."
>
> Honestly, I simply do not understand how people can see this as a
> string of positive events, though I'm willing to listen if there's
> some truth and reality I'm not seeing ... top-down convincing people
> that they should "sign up" to organize repairing the nation feels to
> me like convincing the worker-bees to produce more, to bolster the
> company's future, while selling the assembly-line products to powers
> destroying the world... "Produce more of these genetic seeds...
> they're good for the world." kind of thing. He may be eloquent, but
> my opinion is that makes him a more believable liar. Look at what
> he's DOING, not what he's saying.
>
> And frankly, what's the question here... If I beat my children, and
> am caught (and admit it on national television), I would be arrested
> and tried for it. No question. If I did it to hundreds (or
> thousands) of people, I'd make front page headlines, endless hours
> on the 24-7-news channels, and fear to walk the streets, lest people
> beat/kill me for my heinous crimes. So really. What's the
> difference?! I simply do not understand people having any question
> about this whatsoever!! Crime -> investigation -> admission -> trial
> -> sentencing. Period. No matter why we feel the need to consider
> whether we should push for prosecution, the fact that we're having
> to "consider whether" to prosecute is what needs to be looked at!
>
> Thanks for listening...
> Janice
>
> Jay Becker wrote:
>>
>> In what ways is the Obama administration "restoring control of the
>> government to the people"? Not some words dug up from a speech that
>> appeals to our prejudices but in fact, in deeds. The wars continue
>> and are being expanded, despite the fact that millions have voted
>> for the Democrats in two election cycles as a vote to end those
>> wars. The bail-out? Commentators across the political spectrum
>> agree that it is essentially the same approach that the Bush
>> administration took, with a few revisions. Ending renditions? Last
>> week the Obama Dept. of Justice (!) went into court and argued just
>> what the Bush DoJ had: "Don't let lawsuits by detainees seeking
>> redress for the crimes committed against them go forward because
>> they will expose state secrets" - namely, the crimes against
>> international law this government wants to continue behind the veil
>> of state secrets!
>>
>> If we go along with all this because of a few crumbs thrown our way
>> (precious few, in fact), then we are indeed complicit with that,
>> and much more.
>>
>> "On the inauguration, crimes...and complicity"
>> By Bob Avakian
>>
>> http://www.revcom.us/a/157/Avakian_on_Obama-en.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Stop thinking like an American,
>> Start thinking about humanity!
>>
>>
>> --- On Mon, 2/16/09, Hal Snyder wrote:
>> From: Hal Snyder
>> Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] Icke on Obama
>> To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net
>> Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 7:15 AM
>>
>> David Icke is an interesting phenomenon. He can be insightful,
>> charismatic, absurd, and hateful. I don't think he makes a strong
>> case against Obama.
>>
>> Barack Obama and his administration clearly present a mixed picture.
>>
>> However, in response to Icke's charge that he is working to control
>> the masses, there is ample evidence that Obama wants to restore
>> control of the government to the people. We see attempts at taking
>> community organizing to a national level. Community organizing is
>> the opposite of top-down mind control. It is based on encouraging
>> people to develop their own power.
>>
>> ... a viable organization can only be achieved if a broadly based
>> indigenous leadership ? and not one or two charismatic leaders ?
>> can knit together the diverse interests of their local institutions
>> - Barack Obama
>>
>> References:
>>
>> Documentary, DAVID ICKE: The Lizards and the Jews
>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2912878405399014351
>>
>> change.gov
>> usaservice.org
>>
>> Why Organize? Problems and Promise in the Inner City - by Barack
>> Obama, 1990.
>> http://www.edwoj.com/Alinsky/AlinskyObamaChapter1990.htm
>>
>> On Feb 16, 2009, at 12:44 AM, andrew ritter wrote:
>>
>>> I'm sure there are a variety of opinions on David Icke, but I
>>> think he has some pretty solid arguments against Obama. I have
>>> included some highlights below. Full posting is very long and
>>> sometimes wanders, but also has a lot of indisputable facts &
>>> worth a read here:
>>>
>>> Barack Obama: The Naked Emperor
>>> http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/18281
>>>
>>>
>>> ...
>>> I worked in television for more than a decade, often reading
>>> autocue while a director spoke in my ear telling me what cameras
>>> to look at. I have, since the early 1990s, spoken my truth on
>>> public stages across the world. I know, therefore, the difference
>>> between artificial autocue delivery and body language and talking
>>> from the heart without a script. Obama, I repeat, is coming from
>>> the autocue, not the heart.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> CitizensTruth mailing
>> list
>> CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth
>> website: http://citizenstruth.info
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>>
>>
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>> CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth
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Kris Knight of WellAware Life Enhancement Center
Phone: 1-608-ALL-LIFE
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From: janice.matthews at gmail.com (Janice Matthews)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:31:49 -0600
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Obama as change vs. more-o-same-Empire-guy
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Interesting question, and worth considering, personally, and I think for
all of us. This is difficult work we're doing, trying to create a better
world, and it's pretty easy to get "lost" in that work, as I've
certainly experienced (and still do sometimes). There is a balance
required with knowing the truth of the political/social realities and
investigating the truth for our Selves and our own immediate World,
yes... I've been doing that a lot more lately. Part of it is avoiding
Information Overload Disorder, as I've come to call it, which can be
quite deadly.
I'll be very interested to read more about other people on this list, as
I value the input from you, ... e-affinity group, I guess :)
So as for me--
In addition to "administering" an international organization with
200-250 local groups (911truth.org) and facilitating our website and
online store, outreach to other groups, and investigating possibilities
to work internationally with people toward justice (in general), and
posting articles to WorldCantWait.net and participating with their web
group, I ...
just got my substitute teaching emergency certificate and am hoping to
be able to sub several days a week, in spite of holding the school
accountable lately for some really shitty policies toward kids...
have an editing/transcription business called PDQ Word Services, which
is growing a little but not nearly enough...
have six children, eldest married, three at home, one on the
hippy-trail-to happiness (?), one graduating high school this year who
lives with dad...
participate with local kids' sports groups and two schools (elementary
and middle school) and 4H and science fair ...
play the guitar and piano and listen to music a LOT...
dance on my deck when I get stressed out ...
don't have television and /do/ support my community radio station ...
have a flock of 12 poultry (chickens, guineas, & ducks) laying a LOT of
eggs at the moment, and have 38 more chicks coming in the mail next
week, 2 dogs and 2 cats, and milk goats and a pig coming later this
spring ...
am working with my neighbor (who rents from me the small cabin on the
hill above me and has just written a Thoreau-inspired book I'm editing
now) to get the ground broken and ready for a 20' x 40' garden with
heritage seeds here pretty quick, near the apple/peach/berries/grapes
orchard area ...
am preparing to be prepared if we go off-grid in the next year (uhm,
that's a hopeful stretch...)
grew up hunting and fishing and still think the second amendment is
valuable, especially out in the woods where I live, and especially when
the weird phone guy shows up on my back porch hooking into my phone
lines and then won't tell me what the hell he's doing, and won't leave
until I give him "exactly 30 seconds" to show me the warrant or get in
his truck and get the ____ off my property (yeah, think Deliverance if
you want) ...
have a great picture of "Unbought & Unbossed" Shirley Chisolm under a
Doctors Without Borders world map and We Will Not Be Silent postcard on
my wall; with a fabulous little picture of women and children building a
school in El Salvador, the best part of which is a woman with her arms
around two children holding flowers, machine gun slung over her
children, smiling; next to a card that says "When injustice becomes Law,
RESISTANCE becomes Duty" ... and the huge abstract print of two midwives
holding babies behind me, with the warrior scripture "But the midwives
feared (respected) God, and did NOT as the King of Egypt commanded them,
but saved the children alive." [Yeah, once upon a time I helped babies
get born peacefully, before I started trying to save the world so they
could actually /live/ in it :) ]
Okay, fine, I'll admit it--I taped up the little fairy birthday card my
ex sent me last year under that. (Even Warrior Women need pretty
pictures of winged fairies with butterflies sometimes, right?)...
oh yeah... and my daughter's first place science fair trophy, with
multiple "I love you so much mommy" drawings and paintings here and there :)
Oh yeah, and I burn a lot of nag champa...
If you looked in my eyes you would see weariness, and laughter, I think.
Janice
Kris Knight wrote:
> All great points, and thank you. Just keeping up with the facts is
> formidable, much less having an educated opinion about things... But
> I would also ask...in what ways can we move forward without putting so
> much energy into being steered by those in politics? We are
> surrounded by negativity, including much coming from within our ranks
> which feeds the collective of negativity. HOW can we withdraw our
> energy from that and INVEST our energy in redirecting outcomes TOWARD
> positive? One initial question which on the surface seems shallow, or
> redundant, but isn't really---where do I put my money? And where do I
> put my attention, my fascination, my gratitude? They are all currency.
> What do you fill your daily brain/mind workings with? what is the
> ratio? And then, what do you suppose you truly emanate to others,
> which is NOT what you do but what comes from or actually IS the
> essence of everything that makes you up, incl. every thought. Since I
> know little about each of you and what you fill your lives with
> outside of what I read, it is difficult to know to whom I am writing
> this...but it is relevant for each of us. For me every day. WHAT DO
> I EMANATE INTO THE ENERGETIC WORLD???
> I'D honestly like to hear more about people who are of this group
> list. Perhaps we each are emanating much that is positively feeding
> the web of LIFE but use this group to focus on a really challenging
> aspect of LIFE on this planet. Hal probably knows alot about each of
> us, but I know nearly nothing about most of you. And if you think
> this is poppycock to request more info about what it is you fill your
> lives with behind the words we all read on this list, why, I wonder,
> would this seem so irrelevant or pointless to you? Not so much what
> you DO but what you feel you emanate out into the world when you're
> standing still...and don't be modest. Be honest.
> Right now I"m looking at an extraordinary picture of Jane Goodall,
> having eye contact with a huge gorilla that is literally holding her
> in its arms, looking at her. WHAT they emanate is abundantly clear.
> If I looked into your eyes right now, what would I see, what would
> they tell me? If you put your hand on me right now, what would that
> contact tell me?
>
> On Feb 16, 2009, at 8:59 AM, Janice Matthews wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I'm afraid I agree here and would like to be shown what's
>> changing for human beings under the Obama Regime. I still see him as
>> the new, much more eloquent, convincing, and thus dangerous, face of
>> the desperate and crumbling Empire. USA Today reports this national
>> poll today, showing 2/3 of Americans want investigation (and nearly
>> half of those want prosecution) :
>> http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-02-11-investigation-poll_N.htm
>> . I would like to see investigation/prosecution begin, rather than
>> hearing "I prefer to be forward-looking but will let Eric Holder
>> decide whether to prosecute." (The same Eric Holder who managed to
>> keep OKC/Kenny Trentadue's death under wraps, and those perpetrators
>> to go free? great...)
>>
>> That does not look, at all, like change to me. Further, Jason Leopold
>> (ConsortiumNews.com) just published an excellent piece called
>> "Torture Report Erodes Bush's Defense." And Jonathan Turley and other
>> Constitutional lawyers (remember, Obama is one...) are stating firmly
>> that he /must/ prosecute or he will be guilty of the same! The
>> Raytheon executive in charge of the Pentagon finances when it was
>> announced (9/10/01) they'd lost 3.2 TRILLION DOLLARS from the
>> Pentagon budget has been appointed BY OBAMA as Deputy Defense
>> Secretary (www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=12291
>>
>> ). I could go on and on about who he's appointed, but won't. Oh, and
>> he just sent more drones into Pakistan and killed another 60
>> "terrorists."
>>
>> Honestly, I simply do not understand how people can see this as a
>> string of positive events, though I'm willing to listen if there's
>> some truth and reality I'm not seeing ... top-down convincing people
>> that they should "sign up" to organize repairing the nation feels to
>> me like convincing the worker-bees to produce more, to bolster the
>> company's future, while selling the assembly-line products to powers
>> destroying the world... "Produce more of these genetic seeds...
>> they're good for the world." kind of thing. He may be eloquent, but
>> my opinion is that makes him a more believable liar. Look at what
>> he's DOING, not what he's saying.
>>
>> And frankly, what's the question here... If I beat my children, and
>> am caught (and admit it on national television), I would be arrested
>> and tried for it. No question. If I did it to hundreds (or thousands)
>> of people, I'd make front page headlines, endless hours on the
>> 24-7-news channels, and fear to walk the streets, lest people
>> beat/kill me for my heinous crimes. So really. What's the
>> difference?! I simply do not understand people having any question
>> about this whatsoever!! Crime -> investigation -> admission -> trial
>> -> sentencing. Period. No matter why we feel the need to consider
>> whether we should push for prosecution, the fact that we're having to
>> "consider whether" to prosecute is what needs to be looked at!
>>
>> Thanks for listening...
>> Janice
>>
>> Jay Becker wrote:
>>> In what ways is the Obama administration "restoring control of the
>>> government to the people"? Not some words dug up from a speech that
>>> appeals to our prejudices but in fact, in deeds. The wars continue
>>> and are being expanded, despite the fact that millions have voted
>>> for the Democrats in two election cycles as a vote to end those
>>> wars. The bail-out? Commentators across the political spectrum agree
>>> that it is essentially the same approach that the Bush
>>> administration took, with a few revisions. Ending renditions? Last
>>> week the Obama Dept. of Justice (!) went into court and argued just
>>> what the Bush DoJ had: "Don't let lawsuits by detainees seeking
>>> redress for the crimes committed against them go forward because
>>> they will expose state secrets" - namely, the crimes against
>>> international law this government wants to continue behind the veil
>>> of state secrets!
>>>
>>> If we go along with all this because of a few crumbs thrown our way
>>> (precious few, in fact), then we are indeed complicit with that, and
>>> much more.
>>>
>>> "On the inauguration, crimes...and complicity"
>>> By Bob Avakian
>>>
>>> http://www.revcom.us/a/157/Avakian_on_Obama-en.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> * *//Stop thinking like an American,
>>> Start thinking about humanity!
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On *Mon, 2/16/09, Hal Snyder //* wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Hal Snyder
>>> Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] Icke on Obama
>>> To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net
>>> Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 7:15 AM
>>>
>>> David Icke is an interesting phenomenon. He can be insightful,
>>> charismatic, absurd, and hateful. I don't think he makes a
>>> strong case against Obama.
>>>
>>> Barack Obama and his administration clearly present a mixed picture.
>>>
>>> However, in response to Icke's charge that he is working to
>>> control the masses, there is ample evidence that Obama wants to
>>> restore control of the government to the people. We see attempts
>>> at taking community organizing to a national level. Community
>>> organizing is the opposite of top-down mind control. It is based
>>> on encouraging people to develop their own power.
>>>
>>> /... a viable organization can only be achieved if a broadly
>>> based indigenous leadership ? and not one or two charismatic
>>> leaders ? can knit together the diverse interests of their local
>>> institutions/
>>> - Barack Obama
>>>
>>> References:
>>>
>>> Documentary, DAVID ICKE: The Lizards and the Jews
>>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2912878405399014351
>>>
>>> change.gov
>>> usaservice.org
>>>
>>> Why Organize? Problems and Promise in the Inner City - by Barack
>>> Obama, 1990.
>>> http://www.edwoj.com/Alinsky/AlinskyObamaChapter1990.htm
>>>
>>> On Feb 16, 2009, at 12:44 AM, andrew ritter wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm sure there are a variety of opinions on David Icke, but I
>>>> think he has some pretty solid arguments against Obama. I have
>>>> included some highlights below. Full posting is very long and
>>>> sometimes wanders, but also has a lot of indisputable facts &
>>>> worth a read here:
>>>>
>>>> Barack Obama: The Naked Emperor
>>>> http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/18281
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>> I worked in television for more than a decade, often reading
>>>> autocue while a director spoke in my ear telling me
>>>> what cameras to look at. I have, since the early 1990s, spoken
>>>> my truth on public stages across the world. I know, therefore,
>>>> the difference between artificial autocue delivery and body
>>>> language and talking from the heart without a script. Obama, I
>>>> repeat, is coming from the autocue, not the heart.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> CitizensTruth mailing
>>> list
>>> CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net
>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth
>>> website: http://citizenstruth.info
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>
> Kris Knight of WellAware Life Enhancement Center
> Phone: 1-608-ALL-LIFE
> welaware at merr.com
>
>
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From rmigalla at earthlink.net Mon Feb 16 12:05:03 2009
From: rmigalla at earthlink.net (Robin Migalla)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:05:03 -0600
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Obama as change vs. more-o-same-Empire-guy
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Hi Kris,
Nice post. I love the point. In my world, I call this "setting my ideal."
In my small little "A Search For God" group, we just did an exercise that
might be valuable for each one of us to consider. We wrote our own
obituaries. We didn't write them from a "right now" perspective but from a
"how do we as individuals wish to be remembered" perspective. This is
something I believe gives each of us a map for our lives. Once we have our
map, that makes setting our goals much easier and also gives us a measuring
stick against which we can hold our actions. This is something I have done
for years, and yes it changes each time I revisit it.
Cheers,
Robin
-----Original Message-----
From: Kris Knight [SMTP:welaware at merr.com]
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 09:19
To: Janice Matthews
Cc: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net
Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] Obama as change vs. more-o-same-Empire-guy
All great points, and thank you. Just keeping up with the facts is
formidable, much less having an educated opinion about things... But
I would also ask...in what ways can we move forward without putting so
much energy into being steered by those in politics? We are
surrounded by negativity, including much coming from within our ranks
which feeds the collective of negativity. HOW can we withdraw our
energy from that and INVEST our energy in redirecting outcomes TOWARD
positive? One initial question which on the surface seems shallow, or
redundant, but isn't really---where do I put my money? And where do I
put my attention, my fascination, my gratitude? They are all currency.
What do you fill your daily brain/mind workings with? what is the
ratio? And then, what do you suppose you truly emanate to others,
which is NOT what you do but what comes from or actually IS the
essence of everything that makes you up, incl. every thought. Since I
know little about each of you and what you fill your lives with
outside of what I read, it is difficult to know to whom I am writing
this...but it is relevant for each of us. For me every day. WHAT DO
I EMANATE INTO THE ENERGETIC WORLD???
I'D honestly like to hear more about people who are of this group
list. Perhaps we each are emanating much that is positively feeding
the web of LIFE but use this group to focus on a really challenging
aspect of LIFE on this planet. Hal probably knows alot about each of
us, but I know nearly nothing about most of you. And if you think
this is poppycock to request more info about what it is you fill your
lives with behind the words we all read on this list, why, I wonder,
would this seem so irrelevant or pointless to you? Not so much what
you DO but what you feel you emanate out into the world when you're
standing still...and don't be modest. Be honest.
Right now I"m looking at an extraordinary picture of Jane Goodall,
having eye contact with a huge gorilla that is literally holding her
in its arms, looking at her. WHAT they emanate is abundantly clear.
If I looked into your eyes right now, what would I see, what would
they tell me? If you put your hand on me right now, what would that
contact tell me?
On Feb 16, 2009, at 8:59 AM, Janice Matthews wrote:
> Yeah, I'm afraid I agree here and would like to be shown what's
> changing for human beings under the Obama Regime. I still see him as
> the new, much more eloquent, convincing, and thus dangerous, face of
> the desperate and crumbling Empire. USA Today reports this national
> poll today, showing 2/3 of Americans want investigation (and nearly
> half of those want prosecution) :
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-02-11-investigation-poll_N.htm
> . I would like to see investigation/prosecution begin, rather than
> hearing "I prefer to be forward-looking but will let Eric Holder
> decide whether to prosecute." (The same Eric Holder who managed to
> keep OKC/Kenny Trentadue's death under wraps, and those perpetrators
> to go free? great...)
>
> That does not look, at all, like change to me. Further, Jason
> Leopold (ConsortiumNews.com) just published an excellent piece
> called "Torture Report Erodes Bush's Defense." And Jonathan Turley
> and other Constitutional lawyers (remember, Obama is one...) are
> stating firmly that he must prosecute or he will be guilty of the
> same! The Raytheon executive in charge of the Pentagon finances when
> it was announced (9/10/01) they'd lost 3.2 TRILLION DOLLARS from the
> Pentagon budget has been appointed BY OBAMA as Deputy Defense
> Secretary (www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=12291 ). I
> could go on and on about who he's appointed, but won't. Oh, and he
> just sent more drones into Pakistan and killed another 60
> "terrorists."
>
> Honestly, I simply do not understand how people can see this as a
> string of positive events, though I'm willing to listen if there's
> some truth and reality I'm not seeing ... top-down convincing people
> that they should "sign up" to organize repairing the nation feels to
> me like convincing the worker-bees to produce more, to bolster the
> company's future, while selling the assembly-line products to powers
> destroying the world... "Produce more of these genetic seeds...
> they're good for the world." kind of thing. He may be eloquent, but
> my opinion is that makes him a more believable liar. Look at what
> he's DOING, not what he's saying.
>
> And frankly, what's the question here... If I beat my children, and
> am caught (and admit it on national television), I would be arrested
> and tried for it. No question. If I did it to hundreds (or
> thousands) of people, I'd make front page headlines, endless hours
> on the 24-7-news channels, and fear to walk the streets, lest people
> beat/kill me for my heinous crimes. So really. What's the
> difference?! I simply do not understand people having any question
> about this whatsoever!! Crime -> investigation -> admission -> trial
> -> sentencing. Period. No matter why we feel the need to consider
> whether we should push for prosecution, the fact that we're having
> to "consider whether" to prosecute is what needs to be looked at!
>
> Thanks for listening...
> Janice
>
> Jay Becker wrote:
>>
>> In what ways is the Obama administration "restoring control of the
>> government to the people"? Not some words dug up from a speech that
>> appeals to our prejudices but in fact, in deeds. The wars continue
>> and are being expanded, despite the fact that millions have voted
>> for the Democrats in two election cycles as a vote to end those
>> wars. The bail-out? Commentators across the political spectrum
>> agree that it is essentially the same approach that the Bush
>> administration took, with a few revisions. Ending renditions? Last
>> week the Obama Dept. of Justice (!) went into court and argued just
>> what the Bush DoJ had: "Don't let lawsuits by detainees seeking
>> redress for the crimes committed against them go forward because
>> they will expose state secrets" - namely, the crimes against
>> international law this government wants to continue behind the veil
>> of state secrets!
>>
>> If we go along with all this because of a few crumbs thrown our way
>> (precious few, in fact), then we are indeed complicit with that,
>> and much more.
>>
>> "On the inauguration, crimes...and complicity"
>> By Bob Avakian
>>
>> http://www.revcom.us/a/157/Avakian_on_Obama-en.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Stop thinking like an American,
>> Start thinking about humanity!
>>
>>
>> --- On Mon, 2/16/09, Hal Snyder wrote:
>> From: Hal Snyder
>> Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] Icke on Obama
>> To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net
>> Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 7:15 AM
>>
>> David Icke is an interesting phenomenon. He can be insightful,
>> charismatic, absurd, and hateful. I don't think he makes a strong
>> case against Obama.
>>
>> Barack Obama and his administration clearly present a mixed picture.
>>
>> However, in response to Icke's charge that he is working to control
>> the masses, there is ample evidence that Obama wants to restore
>> control of the government to the people. We see attempts at taking
>> community organizing to a national level. Community organizing is
>> the opposite of top-down mind control. It is based on encouraging
>> people to develop their own power.
>>
>> ... a viable organization can only be achieved if a broadly based
>> indigenous leadership - and not one or two charismatic leaders -
>> can knit together the diverse interests of their local institutions
>> - Barack Obama
>>
>> References:
>>
>> Documentary, DAVID ICKE: The Lizards and the Jews
>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2912878405399014351
>>
>> change.gov
>> usaservice.org
>>
>> Why Organize? Problems and Promise in the Inner City - by Barack
>> Obama, 1990.
>> http://www.edwoj.com/Alinsky/AlinskyObamaChapter1990.htm
>>
>> On Feb 16, 2009, at 12:44 AM, andrew ritter wrote:
>>
>>> I'm sure there are a variety of opinions on David Icke, but I
>>> think he has some pretty solid arguments against Obama. I have
>>> included some highlights below. Full posting is very long and
>>> sometimes wanders, but also has a lot of indisputable facts &
>>> worth a read here:
>>>
>>> Barack Obama: The Naked Emperor
>>> http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/18281
>>>
>>>
>>> ...
>>> I worked in television for more than a decade, often reading
>>> autocue while a director spoke in my ear telling me what cameras
>>> to look at. I have, since the early 1990s, spoken my truth on
>>> public stages across the world. I know, therefore, the difference
>>> between artificial autocue delivery and body language and talking
>>> from the heart without a script. Obama, I repeat, is coming from
>>> the autocue, not the heart.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> CitizensTruth mailing
>> list
>> CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth
>> website: http://citizenstruth.info
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> CitizensTruth mailing list
>> CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth
>> website: http://citizenstruth.info
>>
> _______________________________________________
> CitizensTruth mailing list
> CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth
> website: http://citizenstruth.info
Kris Knight of WellAware Life Enhancement Center
Phone: 1-608-ALL-LIFE
welaware at merr.com
From geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com Mon Feb 16 13:08:39 2009
From: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com (Geri Perry)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:08:39 -0600
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Obama as change vs. more-o-same-Empire-guy
In-Reply-To:
References: <374179.14017.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49997F3D.7090909@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4999ABA7.2080508@thetwofacesofmoney.com>
Kris etal:
Here's my stab at your queries:
RE: where do I put my money?
MY Answer: The ABSOLUTE best and one of the easiest places is locally
and responsibly produced REAL food! (by Local I mean regional)
RE: where do I put my attention, my fascination, my gratitude?
MY Answer: Searching for TRUTH. Also and just as important: Family,
friends and community, and "nature's God" or however YOU choose to
describe it. Also taking the time to experience joy in the REALLY
important things, like a chemtrail-free blue sky, listening to the wind
in the leaves, the birds in the trees, water running in a stream,
picking raspberries, a friendly or helpful gesture no matter who
provides it- you get the picture.
RE: What do you fill your daily brain/mind workings with?
MY Answer: Well, I focus on how to best communicate results from my
personal truth-seeking endeavors, and most especially the manner in
which "honest" money is the ONLY way to pull the world from the abyss -
about which Jefferson was correct: ?Money is the agent by which modern
nations will recover their rights.?
RE: what is the ratio?
MY Answer: Not important IMO. so long as I make sure to leave enough
down time, which varies from week to week and month to month.
RE: WHAT DO I EMANATE INTO THE ENERGETIC WORLD???
MY Answer: Hmmmm. . . See above about taking joy in the important things.
Also I do my best to try to live by my "code": #1. whenever you point a
finger toward what you BELIEVE to be the source of a problem, always
look to where your other fingers are pointing. #2. Judge them by the
fruit they bear. #3. Evaluate the message, not the messenger. (#2 is
what is most troubling about Obama, as some others have also indicated,
but I now pretty much regard him as a side issue - the real one being to
find ways to empower each of us so that we become functioning members of
We the People)
I might add a #4 to the above, and that is to recognize that not only do
we all have flaws but also that there WILL be disagreement (and thus
negativity) between us - most importantly because of the arenas and
levels of real truth we as individuals have managed to accumulate. So
long as we follow the first three rules, continually try to find better
ways to communicate - and work through differences we'll be OK, and the
negativity created by false differences (based on false assumptions and
lack of full information) will eventually turn to trust and faith in
each other. If we try to shut down honest, open and sincere discourse,
any and all differences will increase and negativity will turn to hatred.
RE: If I looked into your eyes right now, what would I see, what would
they tell me?
MY Answer: A deep and abiding belief that we the people - as misled,
uniformed, angry, distrustful and full of flaws as we may be - can and
will do everything we can to make this world a better place. (I do have
to occasionally take time to remind myself of this when negativity seems
to be taking over my mindscape, hence the need for downtime)
RE: If you put your hand on me right now, what would that contact tell me?
MY Answer: You are enormously generous and compassionate - AND you have
a deep and abiding desire to make the world a better place. (And I
believe this partly because I am lucky enough to have met you and partly
because of your participation in this forum)
gerip
Kris Knight wrote:
> All great points, and thank you. Just keeping up with the facts is
> formidable, much less having an educated opinion about things... But
> I would also ask...in what ways can we move forward without putting so
> much energy into being steered by those in politics? We are
> surrounded by negativity, including much coming from within our ranks
> which feeds the collective of negativity. HOW can we withdraw our
> energy from that and INVEST our energy in redirecting outcomes TOWARD
> positive? One initial question which on the surface seems shallow, or
> redundant, but isn't really---where do I put my money? And where do I
> put my attention, my fascination, my gratitude? They are all currency.
> What do you fill your daily brain/mind workings with? what is the
> ratio? And then, what do you suppose you truly emanate to others,
> which is NOT what you do but what comes from or actually IS the
> essence of everything that makes you up, incl. every thought. Since I
> know little about each of you and what you fill your lives with
> outside of what I read, it is difficult to know to whom I am writing
> this...but it is relevant for each of us. For me every day. WHAT DO
> I EMANATE INTO THE ENERGETIC WORLD???
> I'D honestly like to hear more about people who are of this group
> list. Perhaps we each are emanating much that is positively feeding
> the web of LIFE but use this group to focus on a really challenging
> aspect of LIFE on this planet. Hal probably knows alot about each of
> us, but I know nearly nothing about most of you. And if you think
> this is poppycock to request more info about what it is you fill your
> lives with behind the words we all read on this list, why, I wonder,
> would this seem so irrelevant or pointless to you? Not so much what
> you DO but what you feel you emanate out into the world when you're
> standing still...and don't be modest. Be honest.
> Right now I"m looking at an extraordinary picture of Jane Goodall,
> having eye contact with a huge gorilla that is literally holding her
> in its arms, looking at her. WHAT they emanate is abundantly clear.
> If I looked into your eyes right now, what would I see, what would
> they tell me? If you put your hand on me right now, what would that
> contact tell me?
>
> On Feb 16, 2009, at 8:59 AM, Janice Matthews wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I'm afraid I agree here and would like to be shown what's
>> changing for human beings under the Obama Regime. I still see him as
>> the new, much more eloquent, convincing, and thus dangerous, face of
>> the desperate and crumbling Empire. USA Today reports this national
>> poll today, showing 2/3 of Americans want investigation (and nearly
>> half of those want prosecution) :
>> http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-02-11-investigation-poll_N.htm
>> . I would like to see investigation/prosecution begin, rather than
>> hearing "I prefer to be forward-looking but will let Eric Holder
>> decide whether to prosecute." (The same Eric Holder who managed to
>> keep OKC/Kenny Trentadue's death under wraps, and those perpetrators
>> to go free? great...)
>>
>> That does not look, at all, like change to me. Further, Jason Leopold
>> (ConsortiumNews.com) just published an excellent piece called
>> "Torture Report Erodes Bush's Defense." And Jonathan Turley and other
>> Constitutional lawyers (remember, Obama is one...) are stating firmly
>> that he /must/ prosecute or he will be guilty of the same! The
>> Raytheon executive in charge of the Pentagon finances when it was
>> announced (9/10/01) they'd lost 3.2 TRILLION DOLLARS from the
>> Pentagon budget has been appointed BY OBAMA as Deputy Defense
>> Secretary (www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=12291
>>
>> ). I could go on and on about who he's appointed, but won't. Oh, and
>> he just sent more drones into Pakistan and killed another 60
>> "terrorists."
>>
>> Honestly, I simply do not understand how people can see this as a
>> string of positive events, though I'm willing to listen if there's
>> some truth and reality I'm not seeing ... top-down convincing people
>> that they should "sign up" to organize repairing the nation feels to
>> me like convincing the worker-bees to produce more, to bolster the
>> company's future, while selling the assembly-line products to powers
>> destroying the world... "Produce more of these genetic seeds...
>> they're good for the world." kind of thing. He may be eloquent, but
>> my opinion is that makes him a more believable liar. Look at what
>> he's DOING, not what he's saying.
>>
>> And frankly, what's the question here... If I beat my children, and
>> am caught (and admit it on national television), I would be arrested
>> and tried for it. No question. If I did it to hundreds (or thousands)
>> of people, I'd make front page headlines, endless hours on the
>> 24-7-news channels, and fear to walk the streets, lest people
>> beat/kill me for my heinous crimes. So really. What's the
>> difference?! I simply do not understand people having any question
>> about this whatsoever!! Crime -> investigation -> admission -> trial
>> -> sentencing. Period. No matter why we feel the need to consider
>> whether we should push for prosecution, the fact that we're having to
>> "consider whether" to prosecute is what needs to be looked at!
>>
>> Thanks for listening...
>> Janice
>>
>> Jay Becker wrote:
>>> In what ways is the Obama administration "restoring control of the
>>> government to the people"? Not some words dug up from a speech that
>>> appeals to our prejudices but in fact, in deeds. The wars continue
>>> and are being expanded, despite the fact that millions have voted
>>> for the Democrats in two election cycles as a vote to end those
>>> wars. The bail-out? Commentators across the political spectrum agree
>>> that it is essentially the same approach that the Bush
>>> administration took, with a few revisions. Ending renditions? Last
>>> week the Obama Dept. of Justice (!) went into court and argued just
>>> what the Bush DoJ had: "Don't let lawsuits by detainees seeking
>>> redress for the crimes committed against them go forward because
>>> they will expose state secrets" - namely, the crimes against
>>> international law this government wants to continue behind the veil
>>> of state secrets!
>>>
>>> If we go along with all this because of a few crumbs thrown our way
>>> (precious few, in fact), then we are indeed complicit with that, and
>>> much more.
>>>
>>> "On the inauguration, crimes...and complicity"
>>> By Bob Avakian
>>>
>>> http://www.revcom.us/a/157/Avakian_on_Obama-en.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> * *//Stop thinking like an American,
>>> Start thinking about humanity!
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On *Mon, 2/16/09, Hal Snyder //* wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Hal Snyder
>>> Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] Icke on Obama
>>> To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net
>>> Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 7:15 AM
>>>
>>> David Icke is an interesting phenomenon. He can be insightful,
>>> charismatic, absurd, and hateful. I don't think he makes a
>>> strong case against Obama.
>>>
>>> Barack Obama and his administration clearly present a mixed picture.
>>>
>>> However, in response to Icke's charge that he is working to
>>> control the masses, there is ample evidence that Obama wants to
>>> restore control of the government to the people. We see attempts
>>> at taking community organizing to a national level. Community
>>> organizing is the opposite of top-down mind control. It is based
>>> on encouraging people to develop their own power.
>>>
>>> /... a viable organization can only be achieved if a broadly
>>> based indigenous leadership ? and not one or two charismatic
>>> leaders ? can knit together the diverse interests of their local
>>> institutions/
>>> - Barack Obama
>>>
>>> References:
>>>
>>> Documentary, DAVID ICKE: The Lizards and the Jews
>>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2912878405399014351
>>>
>>> change.gov
>>> usaservice.org
>>>
>>> Why Organize? Problems and Promise in the Inner City - by Barack
>>> Obama, 1990.
>>> http://www.edwoj.com/Alinsky/AlinskyObamaChapter1990.htm
>>>
>>> On Feb 16, 2009, at 12:44 AM, andrew ritter wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm sure there are a variety of opinions on David Icke, but I
>>>> think he has some pretty solid arguments against Obama. I have
>>>> included some highlights below. Full posting is very long and
>>>> sometimes wanders, but also has a lot of indisputable facts &
>>>> worth a read here:
>>>>
>>>> Barack Obama: The Naked Emperor
>>>> http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/18281
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>> I worked in television for more than a decade, often reading
>>>> autocue while a director spoke in my ear telling me
>>>> what cameras to look at. I have, since the early 1990s, spoken
>>>> my truth on public stages across the world. I know, therefore,
>>>> the difference between artificial autocue delivery and body
>>>> language and talking from the heart without a script. Obama, I
>>>> repeat, is coming from the autocue, not the heart.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> CitizensTruth mailing
>>> list
>>> CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net
>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth
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>>>
>>>
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>
> Kris Knight of WellAware Life Enhancement Center
> Phone: 1-608-ALL-LIFE
> welaware at merr.com
>
>
>
>
>
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From mjkirk12 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 16:13:38 2009
From: mjkirk12 at yahoo.com (Mike Kirk)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:13:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Obama as change vs. more-o-same-Empire-guy
In-Reply-To: <4999ABA7.2080508@thetwofacesofmoney.com>
Message-ID: <775075.56575.qm@web83803.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Along this same thought - where to put your money...? Like the Grameen bank in Asia, looks as if microlending may be taking hold in the US due to the credit crunch.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/bw/20090216/bs_bw/0962s0902018039571
Bye-bye big banks, and good riddance...... time to go local with food and money.
-Mike
--- On Mon, 2/16/09, Geri Perry wrote:
From: Geri Perry
Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] Obama as change vs. more-o-same-Empire-guy
To: "Kris Knight"
Cc: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net
Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 12:08 PM
Kris etal:
Here's my stab at your queries:
RE: where do I put my money?
MY Answer: The ABSOLUTE best and one of the easiest places is locally and
responsibly produced REAL food! (by Local I mean regional)
RE: where do I put my attention, my fascination, my gratitude?
MY Answer: Searching for TRUTH. Also and just as important: Family, friends and
community, and "nature's God" or however YOU choose to describe
it. Also taking the time to experience joy in the REALLY important things, like
a chemtrail-free blue sky, listening to the wind in the leaves, the birds in the
trees, water running in a stream, picking raspberries, a friendly or helpful
gesture no matter who provides it- you get the picture.
RE: What do you fill your daily brain/mind workings with?
MY Answer: Well, I focus on how to best communicate results from my personal
truth-seeking endeavors, and most especially the manner in which
"honest" money is the ONLY way to pull the world from the abyss -
about which Jefferson was correct: ?Money is the agent by which modern nations
will recover their rights.?
RE: what is the ratio?
MY Answer: Not important IMO. so long as I make sure to leave enough down time,
which varies from week to week and month to month.
RE: WHAT DO I EMANATE INTO THE ENERGETIC WORLD???
MY Answer: Hmmmm. . . See above about taking joy in the important things.
Also I do my best to try to live by my "code": #1. whenever you point
a finger toward what you BELIEVE to be the source of a problem, always look to
where your other fingers are pointing. #2. Judge them by the fruit they bear.
#3. Evaluate the message, not the messenger. (#2 is what is most troubling about
Obama, as some others have also indicated, but I now pretty much regard him as a
side issue - the real one being to find ways to empower each of us so that we
become functioning members of We the People)
I might add a #4 to the above, and that is to recognize that not only do we all
have flaws but also that there WILL be disagreement (and thus negativity)
between us - most importantly because of the arenas and levels of real truth we
as individuals have managed to accumulate. So long as we follow the first three
rules, continually try to find better ways to communicate - and work through
differences we'll be OK, and the negativity created by false differences
(based on false assumptions and lack of full information) will eventually turn
to trust and faith in each other. If we try to shut down honest, open and
sincere discourse, any and all differences will increase and negativity will
turn to hatred.
RE: If I looked into your eyes right now, what would I see, what would they
tell me?
MY Answer: A deep and abiding belief that we the people - as misled, uniformed,
angry, distrustful and full of flaws as we may be - can and will do everything
we can to make this world a better place. (I do have to occasionally take time
to remind myself of this when negativity seems to be taking over my mindscape,
hence the need for downtime)
RE: If you put your hand on me right now, what would that contact tell me?
MY Answer: You are enormously generous and compassionate - AND you have a deep
and abiding desire to make the world a better place. (And I believe this partly
because I am lucky enough to have met you and partly because of your
participation in this forum)
gerip
Kris Knight wrote:
> All great points, and thank you. Just keeping up with the facts is
formidable, much less having an educated opinion about things... But I would
also ask...in what ways can we move forward without putting so much energy into
being steered by those in politics? We are surrounded by negativity, including
much coming from within our ranks which feeds the collective of negativity. HOW
can we withdraw our energy from that and INVEST our energy in redirecting
outcomes TOWARD positive? One initial question which on the surface seems
shallow, or redundant, but isn't really---where do I put my money? And
where do I put my attention, my fascination, my gratitude? They are all
currency. What do you fill your daily brain/mind workings with? what is the
ratio? And then, what do you suppose you truly emanate to others, which is NOT
what you do but what comes from or actually IS the essence of everything that
makes you up, incl. every thought. Since I know little about each of you and
what you fill your lives with outside of what I read, it is difficult to know to
whom I am writing this...but it is relevant for each of us. For me every day.
WHAT DO I EMANATE INTO THE ENERGETIC WORLD???
> I'D honestly like to hear more about people who are of this group
list. Perhaps we each are emanating much that is positively feeding the web of
LIFE but use this group to focus on a really challenging aspect of LIFE on this
planet. Hal probably knows alot about each of us, but I know nearly nothing
about most of you. And if you think this is poppycock to request more info
about what it is you fill your lives with behind the words we all read on this
list, why, I wonder, would this seem so irrelevant or pointless to you? Not so
much what you DO but what you feel you emanate out into the world when
you're standing still...and don't be modest. Be honest.
> Right now I"m looking at an extraordinary picture of Jane Goodall,
having eye contact with a huge gorilla that is literally holding her in its
arms, looking at her. WHAT they emanate is abundantly clear. If I looked into
your eyes right now, what would I see, what would they tell me? If you put your
hand on me right now, what would that contact tell me?
> On Feb 16, 2009, at 8:59 AM, Janice Matthews wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I'm afraid I agree here and would like to be shown
what's changing for human beings under the Obama Regime. I still see him as
the new, much more eloquent, convincing, and thus dangerous, face of the
desperate and crumbling Empire. USA Today reports this national poll today,
showing 2/3 of Americans want investigation (and nearly half of those want
prosecution) :
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-02-11-investigation-poll_N.htm . I
would like to see investigation/prosecution begin, rather than hearing "I
prefer to be forward-looking but will let Eric Holder decide whether to
prosecute." (The same Eric Holder who managed to keep OKC/Kenny
Trentadue's death under wraps, and those perpetrators to go free? great...)
>>
>> That does not look, at all, like change to me. Further, Jason Leopold
(ConsortiumNews.com) just published an excellent piece called "Torture
Report Erodes Bush's Defense." And Jonathan Turley and other
Constitutional lawyers (remember, Obama is one...) are stating firmly that he
/must/ prosecute or he will be guilty of the same! The Raytheon executive in
charge of the Pentagon finances when it was announced (9/10/01) they'd lost
3.2 TRILLION DOLLARS from the Pentagon budget has been appointed BY OBAMA as
Deputy Defense Secretary
(www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=12291
). I could go on and on about who he's appointed, but won't. Oh, and he
just sent more drones into Pakistan and killed another 60
"terrorists."
>>
>> Honestly, I simply do not understand how people can see this as a
string of positive events, though I'm willing to listen if there's some
truth and reality I'm not seeing ... top-down convincing people that they
should "sign up" to organize repairing the nation feels to me like
convincing the worker-bees to produce more, to bolster the company's future,
while selling the assembly-line products to powers destroying the world...
"Produce more of these genetic seeds... they're good for the
world." kind of thing. He may be eloquent, but my opinion is that makes him
a more believable liar. Look at what he's DOING, not what he's saying.
>>
>> And frankly, what's the question here... If I beat my children,
and am caught (and admit it on national television), I would be arrested and
tried for it. No question. If I did it to hundreds (or thousands) of people,
I'd make front page headlines, endless hours on the 24-7-news channels, and
fear to walk the streets, lest people beat/kill me for my heinous crimes. So
really. What's the difference?! I simply do not understand people having any
question about this whatsoever!! Crime -> investigation -> admission ->
trial -> sentencing. Period. No matter why we feel the need to consider
whether we should push for prosecution, the fact that we're having to
"consider whether" to prosecute is what needs to be looked at!
>>
>> Thanks for listening...
>> Janice
>>
>> Jay Becker wrote:
>>> In what ways is the Obama administration "restoring control
of the government to the people"? Not some words dug up from a speech that
appeals to our prejudices but in fact, in deeds. The wars continue and are being
expanded, despite the fact that millions have voted for the Democrats in two
election cycles as a vote to end those wars. The bail-out? Commentators across
the political spectrum agree that it is essentially the same approach that the
Bush administration took, with a few revisions. Ending renditions? Last week the
Obama Dept. of Justice (!) went into court and argued just what the Bush DoJ
had: "Don't let lawsuits by detainees seeking redress for the crimes
committed against them go forward because they will expose state secrets" -
namely, the crimes against international law this government wants to continue
behind the veil of state secrets!
>>>
>>> If we go along with all this because of a few crumbs thrown our
way (precious few, in fact), then we are indeed complicit with that, and much
more.
>>>
>>> "On the inauguration, crimes...and complicity"
>>> By Bob Avakian
>>>
>>> http://www.revcom.us/a/157/Avakian_on_Obama-en.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> * *//Stop thinking like an American,
>>> Start thinking about humanity!
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On *Mon, 2/16/09, Hal Snyder //* wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Hal Snyder
>>> Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] Icke on Obama
>>> To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net
>>> Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 7:15 AM
>>>
>>> David Icke is an interesting phenomenon. He can be insightful,
>>> charismatic, absurd, and hateful. I don't think he makes a
>>> strong case against Obama.
>>>
>>> Barack Obama and his administration clearly present a mixed
picture.
>>>
>>> However, in response to Icke's charge that he is working
to
>>> control the masses, there is ample evidence that Obama wants
to
>>> restore control of the government to the people. We see
attempts
>>> at taking community organizing to a national level. Community
>>> organizing is the opposite of top-down mind control. It is
based
>>> on encouraging people to develop their own power.
>>>
>>> /... a viable organization can only be achieved if a broadly
>>> based indigenous leadership ? and not one or two charismatic
>>> leaders ? can knit together the diverse interests of their
local
>>> institutions/
>>> - Barack Obama
>>>
>>> References:
>>>
>>> Documentary, DAVID ICKE: The Lizards and the Jews
>>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2912878405399014351
>>>
>>> change.gov
>>> usaservice.org
>>>
>>> Why Organize? Problems and Promise in the Inner City - by
Barack
>>> Obama, 1990.
>>> http://www.edwoj.com/Alinsky/AlinskyObamaChapter1990.htm
>>>
>>> On Feb 16, 2009, at 12:44 AM, andrew ritter wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm sure there are a variety of opinions on David
Icke, but I
>>>> think he has some pretty solid arguments against Obama. I
have
>>>> included some highlights below. Full posting is very long
and
>>>> sometimes wanders, but also has a lot of indisputable
facts &
>>>> worth a read here:
>>>>
>>>> Barack Obama: The Naked Emperor
>>>> http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/18281
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>> I worked in television for more than a decade, often
reading
>>>> autocue while a director spoke in my ear telling me
>>>> what cameras to look at. I have, since the early 1990s,
spoken
>>>> my truth on public stages across the world. I know,
therefore,
>>>> the difference between artificial autocue delivery and
body
>>>> language and talking from the heart without a script.
Obama, I
>>>> repeat, is coming from the autocue, not the heart.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> CitizensTruth mailing
>>> list
>>> CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net
>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth
>>> website: http://citizenstruth.info
>>>
>>>
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> welaware at merr.com
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From: rmigalla at earthlink.net (Robin Migalla)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:16:03 -0600
Subject: [CitizensTruth] FW: Atlas Shrugged: From Fiction to Fact
Message-ID: <01C99049.7C622930.rmigalla@earthlink.net>
Hi Folks,
I recently read "Atlas Shrugged" for the first time, and the whole time I
was reading it had the thought that it really was rather prophetic. Well
apparently someone from the Wall Street Journal had the same thought...
'Atlas Shrugged': From Fiction to Fact in 52 Years
By STEPHEN MOORE
Some years ago when I worked at the libertarian Cato Institute, we used
to label any new hire who had not yet read "Atlas Shrugged" a "virgin."
Being conversant in Ayn Rand's classic novel about the economic carnage
caused by big government run amok was practically a job requirement. If
only "Atlas" were required reading for every member of Congress and
political appointee in the Obama administration. I'm confident that we'd
get out of the current financial mess a lot faster.
Many of us who know Rand's work have noticed that with each passing
week, and with each successive bailout plan and economic-stimulus scheme
out of Washington, our current politicians are committing the very acts
of economic lunacy that "Atlas Shrugged" parodied in 1957, when this
1,000-page novel was first published and became an instant hit.
Rand, who had come to America from Soviet Russia with striking insights
into totalitarianism and the destructiveness of socialism, was already a
celebrity. The left, naturally, hated her. But as recently as 1991, a
survey by the Library of Congress and the Book of the Month Club found
that readers rated "Atlas" as the second-most influential book in their
lives, behind only the Bible.
For the uninitiated, the moral of the story is simply this: Politicians
invariably respond to crises -- that in most cases they themselves
created -- by spawning new government programs, laws and regulations.
These, in turn, generate more havoc and poverty, which inspires the
politicians to create more programs . . . and the downward spiral
repeats itself until the productive sectors of the economy collapse
under the collective weight of taxes and other burdens imposed in the
name of fairness, equality and do-goodism.
In the book, these relentless wealth redistributionists and their
programs are disparaged as "the looters and their laws." Every new act
of government futility and stupidity carries with it a
benevolent-sounding title. These include the "Anti-Greed Act" to
redistribute income (sounds like Charlie Rangel's promises soak-the-rich
tax bill) and the "Equalization of Opportunity Act" to prevent people
from starting more than one business (to give other people a chance). My
personal favorite, the "Anti Dog-Eat-Dog Act," aims to restrict
cut-throat competition between firms and thus slow the wave of business
bankruptcies. Why didn't Hank Paulson think of that?
These acts and edicts sound farcical, yes, but no more so than the
actual events in Washington, circa 2008. We already have been served up
the $700 billion "Emergency Economic Stabilization Act" and the "Auto
Industry Financing and Restructuring Act." Now that Barack Obama is in
town, he will soon sign into law with great urgency the "American
Recovery and Reinvestment Plan." This latest Hail Mary pass will
increase the federal budget (which has already expanded by $1.5 trillion
in eight years under George Bush) by an additional $1 trillion -- in
roughly his first 100 days in office.
The current economic strategy is right out of "Atlas Shrugged": The more
incompetent you are in business, the more handouts the politicians will
bestow on you. That's the justification for the $2 trillion of subsidies
doled out already to keep afloat distressed insurance companies, banks,
Wall Street investment houses, and auto companies -- while standing next
in line for their share of the booty are real-estate developers, the
steel industry, chemical companies, airlines, ethanol producers,
construction firms and even catfish farmers. With each successive
bailout to "calm the markets," another trillion of national wealth is
subsequently lost. Yet, as "Atlas" grimly foretold, we now treat the
incompetent who wreck their companies as victims, while those
resourceful business owners who manage to make a profit are portrayed as
recipients of illegitimate "windfalls."
When Rand was writing in the 1950s, one of the pillars of American
industrial might was the railroads. In her novel the railroad owner,
Dagny Taggart, an enterprising industrialist, has a FedEx-like vision
for expansion and first-rate service by rail. But she is continuously
badgered, cajoled, taxed, ruled and regulated -- always in the public
interest -- into bankruptcy. Sound far-fetched? On the day I sat down to
write this ode to "Atlas," a Wall Street Journal headline blared: "Rail
Shippers Ask Congress to Regulate Freight Prices."
In one chapter of the book, an entrepreneur invents a new miracle metal
-- stronger but lighter than steel. The government immediately
appropriates the invention in "the public good." The politicians demand
that the metal inventor come to Washington and sign over ownership of
his invention or lose everything.
The scene is eerily similar to an event late last year when six bank
presidents were summoned by Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson to
Washington, and then shuttled into a conference room and told, in
effect, that they could not leave until they collectively signed a
document handing over percentages of their future profits to the
government. The Treasury folks insisted that this shakedown, too, was
all in "the public interest."
Ultimately, "Atlas Shrugged" is a celebration of the entrepreneur, the
risk taker and the cultivator of wealth through human intellect. Critics
dismissed the novel as simple-minded, and even some of Rand's political
admirers complained that she lacked compassion. Yet one pertinent
warning resounds throughout the book: When profits and wealth and
creativity are denigrated in society, they start to disappear -- leaving
everyone the poorer.
One memorable moment in "Atlas" occurs near the very end, when the
economy has been rendered comatose by all the great economic minds in
Washington. Finally, and out of desperation, the politicians come to the
heroic businessman John Galt (who has resisted their assault on
capitalism) and beg him to help them get the economy back on track. The
discussion sounds much like what would happen today:
Galt: "You want me to be Economic Dictator?"
Mr. Thompson: "Yes!"
"And you'll obey any order I give?"
"Implicitly!"
"Then start by abolishing all income taxes."
"Oh no!" screamed Mr. Thompson, leaping to his feet. "We couldn't do
that . . . How would we pay government employees?"
"Fire your government employees."
"Oh, no!"
Abolishing the income tax. Now that really would be a genuine economic
stimulus. But Mr. Obama and the Democrats in Washington want to do the
opposite: to raise the income tax "for purposes of fairness" as Barack
Obama puts it.
David Kelley, the president of the Atlas Society, which is dedicated to
promoting Rand's ideas, explains that "the older the book gets, the more
timely its message." He tells me that there are plans to make "Atlas
Shrugged" into a major motion picture -- it is the only classic novel of
recent decades that was never made into a movie. "We don't need to make
a movie out of the book," Mr. Kelley jokes. "We are living it right
now."
Mr. Moore is senior economics writer for The Wall Street Journal
editorial page.
From mjkirk12 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 16:41:34 2009
From: mjkirk12 at yahoo.com (Mike Kirk)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:41:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] FW: Atlas Shrugged: From Fiction to Fact
In-Reply-To: <01C99049.7C622930.rmigalla@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <18486.28653.qm@web83814.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Vonnegut's short story about equality also comes to mind:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Bergeron
Or perhaps Animal Farm by Orwell??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Farm
--- On Mon, 2/16/09, Robin Migalla wrote:
From: Robin Migalla
Subject: [CitizensTruth] FW: Atlas Shrugged: From Fiction to Fact
To: "'citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net'"
Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 3:16 PM
Hi Folks,
I recently read "Atlas Shrugged" for the first time, and the whole
time I
was reading it had the thought that it really was rather prophetic. Well
apparently someone from the Wall Street Journal had the same thought...
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From: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com (Geri Perry)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:26:14 -0600
Subject: [CitizensTruth] You're INVITED! Save the date, Feb. 28th, 8PM
Message-ID: <499A0426.2060005@thetwofacesofmoney.com>
You're Invited:
WHAT: "The Encroaching Economic Police State" : presentation by
Geraldine Perry, author of The Two Faces of Money
WHEN: Saturday, February 28, 8PM
WHERE:
Lincoln Restaurant, $3 tuition plus $5 purchase required
4008 N. Lincoln Ave
Chicago
For directions: http://www.collegeofcomplexes.org/
DESCRIPTION: Presentation will unveil the economic, legal and military
apparatus along with the tools which are fast creating the global
Economic Police State, taking the premise of Part I of The Two Faces of
Money a step further by describing in more detail the "sovereign power
structure that surrounds the Federal Reserve." All of this has been
taking place over a many generations as a direct result of our
collective failure to require Congress to exercise its Constitutional
duty to "coin (as in create) money and regulate the value thereof". The
presentation will be about an hour followed by a period for questions
and answers, then time for rebuttals.
Geraldine Perry is the author of The Two Faces of Money. Related
websites are: http://thetwofacesofmoney.com/index.php/Main/HomePage and
http://thehealthadvantage.com/ See various pages at The Health
Advantage for relevant material on CODEX, the FTAA, NAU, etc and the
manner in which health freedoms are being usurped by the "money powers"
For additional meeting info CONTACT: Geraldine Perry, 708-460-5683 or
http://www.collegeofcomplexes.org/
From mincam2 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 19:34:17 2009
From: mincam2 at yahoo.com (Chuck Minne)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:34:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] FW: Atlas Shrugged: From Fiction to Fact
In-Reply-To: <01C99049.7C622930.rmigalla@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <10306.56220.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
I think this says it all:
?
"But as recently as 1991, a
survey by the Library of Congress and the Book of the Month Club found
that readers rated "Atlas" as the second-most influential book in their
lives, behind only the Bible."
--- On Mon, 2/16/09, Robin Migalla wrote:
From: Robin Migalla
Subject: [CitizensTruth] FW: Atlas Shrugged: From Fiction to Fact
To: "'citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net'"
Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 3:16 PM
Hi Folks,
I recently read "Atlas Shrugged" for the first time, and the whole
time I
was reading it had the thought that it really was rather prophetic. Well
apparently someone from the Wall Street Journal had the same thought...
'Atlas Shrugged': From Fiction to Fact in 52 Years
By STEPHEN MOORE
Some years ago when I worked at the libertarian Cato Institute, we used
to label any new hire who had not yet read "Atlas Shrugged" a
"virgin."
Being conversant in Ayn Rand's classic novel about the economic carnage
caused by big government run amok was practically a job requirement. If
only "Atlas" were required reading for every member of Congress and
political appointee in the Obama administration. I'm confident that
we'd
get out of the current financial mess a lot faster.
Many of us who know Rand's work have noticed that with each passing
week, and with each successive bailout plan and economic-stimulus scheme
out of Washington, our current politicians are committing the very acts
of economic lunacy that "Atlas Shrugged" parodied in 1957, when this
1,000-page novel was first published and became an instant hit.
Rand, who had come to America from Soviet Russia with striking insights
into totalitarianism and the destructiveness of socialism, was already a
celebrity. The left, naturally, hated her. But as recently as 1991, a
survey by the Library of Congress and the Book of the Month Club found
that readers rated "Atlas" as the second-most influential book in
their
lives, behind only the Bible.
For the uninitiated, the moral of the story is simply this: Politicians
invariably respond to crises -- that in most cases they themselves
created -- by spawning new government programs, laws and regulations.
These, in turn, generate more havoc and poverty, which inspires the
politicians to create more programs . . . and the downward spiral
repeats itself until the productive sectors of the economy collapse
under the collective weight of taxes and other burdens imposed in the
name of fairness, equality and do-goodism.
In the book, these relentless wealth redistributionists and their
programs are disparaged as "the looters and their laws." Every new
act
of government futility and stupidity carries with it a
benevolent-sounding title. These include the "Anti-Greed Act" to
redistribute income (sounds like Charlie Rangel's promises soak-the-rich
tax bill) and the "Equalization of Opportunity Act" to prevent people
from starting more than one business (to give other people a chance). My
personal favorite, the "Anti Dog-Eat-Dog Act," aims to restrict
cut-throat competition between firms and thus slow the wave of business
bankruptcies. Why didn't Hank Paulson think of that?
These acts and edicts sound farcical, yes, but no more so than the
actual events in Washington, circa 2008. We already have been served up
the $700 billion "Emergency Economic Stabilization Act" and the
"Auto
Industry Financing and Restructuring Act." Now that Barack Obama is in
town, he will soon sign into law with great urgency the "American
Recovery and Reinvestment Plan." This latest Hail Mary pass will
increase the federal budget (which has already expanded by $1.5 trillion
in eight years under George Bush) by an additional $1 trillion -- in
roughly his first 100 days in office.
The current economic strategy is right out of "Atlas Shrugged": The
more
incompetent you are in business, the more handouts the politicians will
bestow on you. That's the justification for the $2 trillion of subsidies
doled out already to keep afloat distressed insurance companies, banks,
Wall Street investment houses, and auto companies -- while standing next
in line for their share of the booty are real-estate developers, the
steel industry, chemical companies, airlines, ethanol producers,
construction firms and even catfish farmers. With each successive
bailout to "calm the markets," another trillion of national wealth is
subsequently lost. Yet, as "Atlas" grimly foretold, we now treat the
incompetent who wreck their companies as victims, while those
resourceful business owners who manage to make a profit are portrayed as
recipients of illegitimate "windfalls."
When Rand was writing in the 1950s, one of the pillars of American
industrial might was the railroads. In her novel the railroad owner,
Dagny Taggart, an enterprising industrialist, has a FedEx-like vision
for expansion and first-rate service by rail. But she is continuously
badgered, cajoled, taxed, ruled and regulated -- always in the public
interest -- into bankruptcy. Sound far-fetched? On the day I sat down to
write this ode to "Atlas," a Wall Street Journal headline blared:
"Rail
Shippers Ask Congress to Regulate Freight Prices."
In one chapter of the book, an entrepreneur invents a new miracle metal
-- stronger but lighter than steel. The government immediately
appropriates the invention in "the public good." The politicians
demand
that the metal inventor come to Washington and sign over ownership of
his invention or lose everything.
The scene is eerily similar to an event late last year when six bank
presidents were summoned by Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson to
Washington, and then shuttled into a conference room and told, in
effect, that they could not leave until they collectively signed a
document handing over percentages of their future profits to the
government. The Treasury folks insisted that this shakedown, too, was
all in "the public interest."
Ultimately, "Atlas Shrugged" is a celebration of the entrepreneur,
the
risk taker and the cultivator of wealth through human intellect. Critics
dismissed the novel as simple-minded, and even some of Rand's political
admirers complained that she lacked compassion. Yet one pertinent
warning resounds throughout the book: When profits and wealth and
creativity are denigrated in society, they start to disappear -- leaving
everyone the poorer.
One memorable moment in "Atlas" occurs near the very end, when the
economy has been rendered comatose by all the great economic minds in
Washington. Finally, and out of desperation, the politicians come to the
heroic businessman John Galt (who has resisted their assault on
capitalism) and beg him to help them get the economy back on track. The
discussion sounds much like what would happen today:
Galt: "You want me to be Economic Dictator?"
Mr. Thompson: "Yes!"
"And you'll obey any order I give?"
"Implicitly!"
"Then start by abolishing all income taxes."
"Oh no!" screamed Mr. Thompson, leaping to his feet. "We
couldn't do
that . . . How would we pay government employees?"
"Fire your government employees."
"Oh, no!"
Abolishing the income tax. Now that really would be a genuine economic
stimulus. But Mr. Obama and the Democrats in Washington want to do the
opposite: to raise the income tax "for purposes of fairness" as
Barack
Obama puts it.
David Kelley, the president of the Atlas Society, which is dedicated to
promoting Rand's ideas, explains that "the older the book gets, the
more
timely its message." He tells me that there are plans to make "Atlas
Shrugged" into a major motion picture -- it is the only classic novel of
recent decades that was never made into a movie. "We don't need to
make
a movie out of the book," Mr. Kelley jokes. "We are living it right
now."
Mr. Moore is senior economics writer for The Wall Street Journal
editorial page.
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From hal at drxyzzy.org Mon Feb 16 19:46:42 2009
From: hal at drxyzzy.org (Hal Snyder)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:46:42 -0600
Subject: [CitizensTruth] FW: Atlas Shrugged: From Fiction to Fact
In-Reply-To: <01C99049.7C622930.rmigalla@earthlink.net>
References: <01C99049.7C622930.rmigalla@earthlink.net>
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Thank you, Robin.
I am an Ayn Rand virgin, as Moore might say, but the synopsis below
sounds like a straw-man attack. IMO, that is, sadly, the usual M.O.
for Cato writers.
On Feb 16, 2009, at 3:16 PM, Robin Migalla wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> I recently read "Atlas Shrugged" for the first time, and the whole
> time I
> was reading it had the thought that it really was rather prophetic.
> Well
> apparently someone from the Wall Street Journal had the same
> thought...
>
> 'Atlas Shrugged': From Fiction to Fact in 52 Years
>
> By STEPHEN MOORE
> ARTICLESEARCHQUERY_PARSER=bylineAND>
>
> Some years ago when I worked at the libertarian Cato Institute, we
> used
> to label any new hire who had not yet read "Atlas Shrugged" a
> "virgin."
...
>
> Mr. Moore is senior economics writer for The Wall Street Journal
> editorial page.
From aroyboy44 at hotmail.com Tue Feb 17 14:29:10 2009
From: aroyboy44 at hotmail.com (andrew ritter)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:29:10 +0000
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Obama as change vs. more-o-same-Empire-guy
In-Reply-To:
References: <374179.14017.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
<49997F3D.7090909@gmail.com>
Message-ID:
I'm
attempting to respond to several posts in this post,
As Geri alluded to, I think its important to distinguish between being negative/sending out negative vibes vs. speaking truth about something that may sound negative towards a person or group of people.
Don't shoot the messenger.
I am all about mind patterns and positive thinking etc.. but I actually think that is slightly different then pointing out a truth that is negative.
9-11 is a perfect example. Saying that 9-11 was waged by a insider-global-cabal-of-rats that includes democrats and republicans is a pretty negative thing to say about those individuals. However since it is true then my intention of saying that is not to spread negativity but to spread truth and awareness so we can all make more informed decisions in our personal and political lives. I know for some that negative truths can be depressing but for me I find it liberating.
So for me it is the same thing with Obama. I really don't want to come off sounding condescending towards people who think differently, but when you look at history and become aware of how government/money/war/etc... works then it is actually starts to become fairly obvious that the Democrats and Republicans are both part of the same bad intention: world domination, oppression, and one-world government. Simply put - it is not possible to become President of the United States today without being apart of this intention. And what I have to back that up is nothing less then all the evidence in the world. How about we consider every president we have had in the last ... 80 years... doesn't matter which party they were from - they acted in service of this goal. Does that mean that these people act with 100% malice all the time? No, of course not. They can and will do good deeds along the way for varous reasons, but I will never get on board with a government that uses war and destruction and manipulation to further this cruel and selfish intention.
If an abusive husband brings flowers home to his wife every day does that mean we ignore and forgive the abuse and talk about the flowers?
Would anyone here argue that the Democrats did not help faciliatate the 9-11 cover up? Would anyone here argue that Bush went to war in Iraq without the consent of Democrats? Does anyone believe the "war on terror" is a real and noble cause for the US to fight against? Does Obama believe it is?
I sent the Icke post because regardless of how negative his tone can sound you can not deny his detailed and accurate description of the cast of characters who have surrounded Obama in his past and currently surround him now. Start from the easy and obvious - there is Zbigniew Brzezinski. I read his book "The Grand Chessboard". He makes no secret of the imperative for America to spread its military and economic nonsense around the entire globe. Its no small coincedence that he was a professor at Columbia when Obama went to Columbia. This man has worked for Republican and Democratic Presidents and he co-founded the trilateral commission and is also a CFR, Bildeberg, NWO lover who is going to have more say on foreing policy then even the pro-war Secretary Hillary will. And this somehow doesn't seem to bother Obama supporters nor does it ever enter the "national conversation". As Icke points out "Brzezinski's son, Mark, was an 'advisor' to the Obama
campaign and, in line with the
American one-party-state, his other son, Ian, was foreign policy
advisor to the McCain campaign . His
daughter, the Obama-supporting Mika Brzezinski, reported the campaign
for MSNBC television."
Icke also points out all the bankers who helped fund Obama's campaign and he reminds us of all the dirty/corrupt Illinois politicians who now hold high office in washington.
How many politicians in Obama's supposedly diverse cabinet were against the Iraq war? Didn't he promise to surround himself with a variety of viewpoints? Why is it ok for him to reach to the right but not to the left?
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/02/06-6
I could probably find a new story every day that continues to backup who Obama is in service of:
like here's one: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29225492/
I understand those who think we need to just give Barack more time because he just took office, but for me its been clear from the start of the campaign whose interests are going to be served by his administartion. In many ways I agree that Obama himself is not even the person we need to be the most concerned with because I don't believe that the job of the President has much to do with shaping policy but rather they are the national/international spokesmodel for America Inc. So his job is to look good and to sound good and Obama gets an A+ from me in that department. The reason I expose and even talk negative about him is I think he represents a real opportunity for more Americans to wake up because if a person can realize that Obama is just more of the same then I think we could all get past the faux red/blue divide and realize that We The People have a common cause and a common goal and that the solution to achieving that goal will not be through the DEM/GOP two headed monster.
And yea - acting locally is the best action we can take. Complaining about poltics/politicians only gets us so far. I really like Kris's questions because it can seem like we spread negativity on this forum becuase our topics are often about the latest crappy awful thing that a jerk-off politician did and then we argue about who's truth is truthier ... but I always find the discussions and information very enlightneing and engaging and i find being able to speak about my own perceptions to be very cathartic.
What do I emanate on a daily basis? I would have to say compassion, love and playfulness when I am at my best and frustration and impatience when I am at my worst.
And I also would like to say that it feels great being able to have adult conversations on this forum. A lot of adults shut down and dismiss you once you have gotten into their discomfort zone but I like that I could say just about anything here and it I think most folks will at least open their mind to consider the possibilities.
love to all
Andrew
http://incaseumissedit.blogspot.com/
From: welaware at merr.com
To: janice.matthews at gmail.com
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:19:00 -0600
CC: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net
Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] Obama as change vs. more-o-same-Empire-guy
All great points, and thank you. Just keeping up with the facts is formidable, much less having an educated opinion about things... But I would also ask...in what ways can we move forward without putting so much energy into being steered by those in politics? We are surrounded by negativity, including much coming from within our ranks which feeds the collective of negativity. HOW can we withdraw our energy from that and INVEST our energy in redirecting outcomes TOWARD positive? One initial question which on the surface seems shallow, or redundant, but isn't really---where do I put my money? And where do I put my attention, my fascination, my gratitude? They are all currency. What do you fill your daily brain/mind workings with? what is the ratio? And then, what do you suppose you truly emanate to others, which is NOT what you do but what comes from or actually IS the essence of everything that makes you up, incl. every thought. Since I know little about each of you and what you fill your lives with outside of what I read, it is difficult to know to whom I am writing this...but it is relevant for each of us. For me every day. WHAT DO I EMANATE INTO THE ENERGETIC WORLD???I'D honestly like to hear more about people who are of this group list. Perhaps we each are emanating much that is positively feeding the web of LIFE but use this group to focus on a really challenging aspect of LIFE on this planet. Hal probably knows alot about each of us, but I know nearly nothing about most of you. And if you think this is poppycock to request more info about what it is you fill your lives with behind the words we all read on this list, why, I wonder, would this seem so irrelevant or pointless to you? Not so much what you DO but what you feel you emanate out into the world when you're standing still...and don't be modest. Be honest.Right now I"m looking at an extraordinary picture of Jane Goodall, having eye contact with a huge gorilla that is literally holding her in its arms, looking at her. WHAT they emanate is abundantly clear. If I looked into your eyes right now, what would I see, what would they tell me? If you put your hand on me right now, what would that contact tell me?
On Feb 16, 2009, at 8:59 AM, Janice Matthews wrote: Yeah, I'm afraid I agree here and would like to be shown what's changing for human beings under the Obama Regime. I still see him as the new, much more eloquent, convincing, and thus dangerous, face of the desperate and crumbling Empire. USA Today reports this national poll today, showing 2/3 of Americans want investigation (and nearly half of those want prosecution) : http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-02-11-investigation-poll_N.htm . I would like to see investigation/prosecution begin, rather than hearing "I prefer to be forward-looking but will let Eric Holder decide whether to prosecute." (The same Eric Holder who managed to keep OKC/Kenny Trentadue's death under wraps, and those perpetrators to go free? great...)
That does not look, at all, like change to me. Further, Jason Leopold (ConsortiumNews.com) just published an excellent piece called "Torture Report Erodes Bush's Defense." And Jonathan Turley and other Constitutional lawyers (remember, Obama is one...) are stating firmly that he must prosecute or he will be guilty of the same! The Raytheon executive in charge of the Pentagon finances when it was announced (9/10/01) they'd lost 3.2 TRILLION DOLLARS from the Pentagon budget has been appointed BY OBAMA as Deputy Defense Secretary (www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=12291 ). I could go on and on about who he's appointed, but won't. Oh, and he just sent more drones into Pakistan and killed another 60 "terrorists."
Honestly, I simply do not understand how people can see this as a string of positive events, though I'm willing to listen if there's some truth and reality I'm not seeing ... top-down convincing people that they should "sign up" to organize repairing the nation feels to me like convincing the worker-bees to produce more, to bolster the company's future, while selling the assembly-line products to powers destroying the world... "Produce more of these genetic seeds... they're good for the world." kind of thing. He may be eloquent, but my opinion is that makes him a more believable liar. Look at what he's DOING, not what he's saying.
And frankly, what's the question here... If I beat my children, and am caught (and admit it on national television), I would be arrested and tried for it. No question. If I did it to hundreds (or thousands) of people, I'd make front page headlines, endless hours on the 24-7-news channels, and fear to walk the streets, lest people beat/kill me for my heinous crimes. So really. What's the difference?! I simply do not understand people having any question about this whatsoever!! Crime -> investigation -> admission -> trial -> sentencing. Period. No matter why we feel the need to consider whether we should push for prosecution, the fact that we're having to "consider whether" to prosecute is what needs to be looked at!
Thanks for listening...
Janice
Jay Becker wrote: In what ways is the Obama administration "restoring control of the government to the people"? Not some words dug up from a speech that appeals to our prejudices but in fact, in deeds. The wars continue and are being expanded, despite the fact that millions have voted for the Democrats in two election cycles as a vote to end those wars. The bail-out? Commentators across the political spectrum agree that it is essentially the same approach that the Bush administration took, with a few revisions. Ending renditions? Last week the Obama Dept. of Justice (!) went into court and argued just what the Bush DoJ had: "Don't let lawsuits by detainees seeking redress for the crimes committed against them go forward because they will expose state secrets" - namely, the crimes against international law this government wants to continue behind the veil of state secrets!
If we go along with all this because of a few crumbs thrown our way (precious few, in fact), then we are indeed complicit with that, and much more.
"On the inauguration, crimes...and complicity"
By Bob Avakian
http://www.revcom.us/a/157/Avakian_on_Obama-en.html
Stop thinking like an American,
Start thinking about humanity!
--- On Mon, 2/16/09, Hal Snyder wrote:
From: Hal Snyder
Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] Icke on Obama
To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net
Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 7:15 AM
David Icke is an interesting phenomenon. He can be insightful, charismatic, absurd, and hateful. I don't think he makes a strong case against Obama.
Barack Obama and his administration clearly present a mixed picture.
However, in response to Icke's charge that he is working to control the masses, there is ample evidence that Obama wants to restore control of the government to the people. We see attempts at taking community organizing to a national level. Community organizing is the opposite of top-down mind control. It is based on encouraging people to develop their own power.
... a viable organization can only be achieved if a broadly based indigenous leadership ? and not one or two charismatic leaders ? can knit together the diverse interests of their local institutions - Barack Obama
References:
Documentary, DAVID ICKE: The Lizards and the Jews http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2912878405399014351
change.gov usaservice.org
Why Organize? Problems and Promise in the Inner City - by Barack Obama, 1990. http://www.edwoj.com/Alinsky/AlinskyObamaChapter1990.htm
On Feb 16, 2009, at 12:44 AM, andrew ritter wrote: I'm sure there are a variety of opinions on David Icke, but I think he has some pretty solid arguments against Obama. I have included some highlights below. Full posting is very long and sometimes wanders, but also has a lot of indisputable facts & worth a read here:
Barack Obama: The Naked Emperor http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/18281
... I worked in television for more than a decade, often reading autocue while a director spoke in my ear telling me what cameras to look at. I have, since the early 1990s, spoken my truth on public stages across the world. I know, therefore, the difference between artificial autocue delivery and body language and talking from the heart without a script. Obama, I repeat, is coming from the autocue, not the heart. _______________________________________________
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From geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com Tue Feb 17 17:16:04 2009
From: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com (Geri Perry)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:16:04 -0600
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Obama as change vs. more-o-same-Empire-guy
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Andrew,
As usual, I can't help but agree with you.
And I admit that I find the stranglehold that Obama so clearly has on
the national (and yes, world) psyche to be especially frightening not
only because it flies in the face of all reason but because the Obama
obsession is so deep, so pervasive. I too met him briefly and understand
the power of his personal magnetism and apparent sincerity, but how is
it that millions upon millions all over the world so willingly go out of
their way to pay homage to someone they never met, nor know much about?
As a former Kucinich fan I watched (unhappily) as Obama "came out of
nowhere" to win a place in the U.S. Senate, and a spot as keynote
speaker at the Democratic Convention. The details of THAT story in
itself are revealing.
In all his history as a politician Obama has operated in a manner not
unlike Clinton: I feel your pain but we have to consider the greater
good - which always turns out to support empire. His MO is basically "To
get along you must go along." This is why he almost always ends up
telling "we the people" one thing and then doing another.
I don't know if anyone has listened to the Kay Griggs tapes, but in them
she talks about her own husband as well as leaders like Pol Pot being
recruited as "Rising Stars" (similar in nature to the "Finders Club"
former FBI supervisor Ted Gunderson talks about). I have long wondered
whether Obama might have been one of those "Rising Stars". Certainly his
background (and lack of information thereof) seem to indicate that he
very well could be.
All this said, we MUST understand that Obama, like the rest, is little
more than a puppet. If he should ever decide to stray from the party
line, it's over for him politically and maybe in other ways as well.
There is NO other solution but for we the people to reclaim our
sovereign power. With the New World Order staring us in the face, that
won't be easy but it CAN be done. As Indian activist Arundahti Roy likes
to say: We be many, they be few.
gerip
andrew ritter wrote:
> I'm attempting to respond to several posts in this post,
>
> As Geri alluded to, I think its important to distinguish between being
> negative/sending out negative vibes vs. speaking truth about something
> that may sound negative towards a person or group of people.
>
> Don't shoot the messenger.
>
> I am all about mind patterns and positive thinking etc.. but I
> actually think that is slightly different then pointing out a truth
> that is negative.
>
> 9-11 is a perfect example. Saying that 9-11 was waged by a
> insider-global-cabal-of-rats that includes democrats and republicans
> is a pretty negative thing to say about those individuals. However
> since it is true then my intention of saying that is not to spread
> negativity but to spread truth and awareness so we can all make more
> informed decisions in our personal and political lives. I know for
> some that negative truths can be depressing but for me I find it
> liberating.
>
> So for me it is the same thing with Obama. I really don't want to
> come off sounding condescending towards people who think differently,
> but when you look at history and become aware of how
> government/money/war/etc... works then it is actually starts to become
> fairly obvious that the Democrats and Republicans are both part of the
> same bad intention: world domination, oppression, and one-world
> government. Simply put - it is not possible to become President of
> the United States today without being apart of this intention. And
> what I have to back that up is nothing less then all the evidence in
> the world. How about we consider every president we have had in the
> last ... 80 years... doesn't matter which party they were from - they
> acted in service of this goal. Does that mean that these people act
> with 100% malice all the time? No, of course not. They can and will
> do good deeds along the way for varous reasons, but I will never get
> on board with a government that uses war and destruction and
> manipulation to further this cruel and selfish intention.
>
> If an abusive husband brings flowers home to his wife every day does
> that mean we ignore and forgive the abuse and talk about the flowers?
>
> Would anyone here argue that the Democrats did not help faciliatate
> the 9-11 cover up? Would anyone here argue that Bush went to war in
> Iraq without the consent of Democrats? Does anyone believe the "war
> on terror" is a real and noble cause for the US to fight against?
> Does Obama believe it is?
>
> I sent the Icke post because regardless of how negative his tone can
> sound you can not deny his detailed and accurate description of the
> cast of characters who have surrounded Obama in his past and currently
> surround him now. Start from the easy and obvious - there is
> Zbigniew Brzezinski. I read his book "The Grand Chessboard". He
> makes no secret of the imperative for America to spread its military
> and economic nonsense around the entire globe. Its no small
> coincedence that he was a professor at Columbia when Obama went to
> Columbia. This man has worked for Republican and Democratic
> Presidents and he co-founded the trilateral commission and is also a
> CFR, Bildeberg, NWO lover who is going to have more say on foreing
> policy then even the pro-war Secretary Hillary will. And this somehow
> doesn't seem to bother Obama supporters nor does it ever enter the
> "national conversation". As Icke points out "Brzezinski's son, Mark,
> was an 'advisor' to the Obama campaign and, in line with the American
> one-party-state, his other son, Ian, was foreign policy advisor to the
> McCain campaign . His daughter, the Obama-supporting Mika Brzezinski,
> reported the campaign for MSNBC television."
>
> Icke also points out all the bankers who helped fund Obama's campaign
> and he reminds us of all the dirty/corrupt Illinois politicians who
> now hold high office in washington.
>
> How many politicians in Obama's supposedly diverse cabinet were
> against the Iraq war? Didn't he promise to surround himself with a
> variety of viewpoints? Why is it ok for him to reach to the right but
> not to the left?
>
> http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/02/06-6
>
> I could probably find a new story every day that continues to backup
> who Obama is in service of:
>
> like here's one: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29225492/
>
> I understand those who think we need to just give Barack more time
> because he just took office, but for me its been clear from the start
> of the campaign whose interests are going to be served by his
> administartion. In many ways I agree that Obama himself is not even
> the person we need to be the most concerned with because I don't
> believe that the job of the President has much to do with shaping
> policy but rather they are the national/international spokesmodel for
> America Inc. So his job is to look good and to sound good and Obama
> gets an A+ from me in that department. The reason I expose and even
> talk negative about him is I think he represents a real opportunity
> for more Americans to wake up because if a person can realize that
> Obama is just more of the same then I think we could all get past the
> faux red/blue divide and realize that We The People have a common
> cause and a common goal and that the solution to achieving that goal
> will not be through the DEM/GOP two headed monster.
>
> And yea - acting locally is the best action we can take. Complaining
> about poltics/politicians only gets us so far. I really like Kris's
> questions because it can seem like we spread negativity on this forum
> becuase our topics are often about the latest crappy awful thing that
> a jerk-off politician did and then we argue about who's truth is
> truthier ... but I always find the discussions and information very
> enlightneing and engaging and i find being able to speak about my own
> perceptions to be very cathartic.
>
> What do I emanate on a daily basis? I would have to say compassion,
> love and playfulness when I am at my best and frustration and
> impatience when I am at my worst.
>
> And I also would like to say that it feels great being able to have
> adult conversations on this forum. A lot of adults shut down and
> dismiss you once you have gotten into their discomfort zone but I like
> that I could say just about anything here and it I think most folks
> will at least open their mind to consider the possibilities.
>
> love to all
>
>
> Andrew
>
> http://incaseumissedit.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> From: welaware at merr.com
> To: janice.matthews at gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:19:00 -0600
> CC: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net
> Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] Obama as change vs. more-o-same-Empire-guy
>
> All great points, and thank you. Just keeping up with the facts is
> formidable, much less having an educated opinion about things... But
> I would also ask...in what ways can we move forward without putting so
> much energy into being steered by those in politics? We are
> surrounded by negativity, including much coming from within our ranks
> which feeds the collective of negativity. HOW can we withdraw our
> energy from that and INVEST our energy in redirecting outcomes TOWARD
> positive? One initial question which on the surface seems shallow, or
> redundant, but isn't really---where do I put my money? And where do I
> put my attention, my fascination, my gratitude? They are all currency.
> What do you fill your daily brain/mind workings with? what is the
> ratio? And then, what do you suppose you truly emanate to others,
> which is NOT what you do but what comes from or actually IS the
> essence of everything that makes you up, incl. every thought. Since I
> know little about each of you and what you fill your lives with
> outside of what I read, it is difficult to know to whom I am writing
> this...but it is relevant for each of us. For me every day. WHAT DO
> I EMANATE INTO THE ENERGETIC WOR LD???
> I'D honestly like to hear more about people who are of this group
> list. Perhaps we each are emanating much that is positively feeding
> the web of LIFE but use this group to focus on a really challenging
> aspect of LIFE on this planet. Hal probably knows alot about each of
> us, but I know nearly nothing about most of you. And if you think
> this is poppycock to request more info about what it is you fill your
> lives with behind the words we all read on this list, why, I wonder,
> would this seem so irrelevant or pointless to you? Not so much what
> you DO but what you feel you emanate out into the world when you're
> standing still...and don't be modest. Be honest.
> Right now I"m looking at an extraordinary picture of Jane Goodall,
> having eye contact with a huge gorilla that is literally holding her
> in its arms, looking at her. WHAT they emanate is abundantly clear.
> If I looked into your eyes right now, what would I see, what would
> they tell me? If you put your hand on me right now, what would that
> contact tell me?
>
> On Feb 16, 2009, at 8:59 AM, Janice Matthews wrote:
>
> Yeah, I'm afraid I agree here and would like to be shown what's
> changing for human beings under the Obama Regime. I still see him
> as the new, much more eloquent, convincing, and thus dangerous,
> face of the desperate and crumbling Empire. USA Today reports this
> national poll today, showing 2/3 of Americans want investigation
> (and nearly half of those want prosecution) :
> http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-02-11-investigation-poll_N.htm
> . I would like to see investigation/prosecution begin, rather than
> hearing "I prefer to be forward-looking but will let Eric Holder
> decide whether to prosecute." (The same Eric Holder who managed to
> keep OKC/Kenny Trentadue's death under wraps, and those
> perpetrators to go free? great...)
>
> That does not look, at all, like change to me. Further, Jason
> Leopold (ConsortiumNews.com) just published an excellent piece
> called "Torture Report Erodes Bush's Defense." And Jonathan Turley
> and other Constitutional lawyers (remember, Obama is one...) are
> stating firmly that he /must/ prosecute or he will be guilty of
> the same! The Raytheon executive in charge of the Pentagon
> finances when it was announced (9/10/01) they'd lost 3.2 TRILLION
> DOLLARS from the Pentagon budget has been appointed BY OBAMA as
> Deputy Defense Secretary
> (www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=12291
>
> ). I could go on and on about who he's appointed, but won't. Oh,
> and he just sent more drones into Pakistan and killed another 60
> "terrorists."
>
> Honestly, I simply do not understand how people can see this as a
> string of positive events, though I'm willing to listen if there's
> some truth and reality I'm not seeing ... top-down convincing
> people that they should "sign up" to organize repairing the nation
> feels to me like convincing the worker-bees to produce more, to
> bolster the company's future, while selling the assembly-line
> products to powers destroying the world... "Produce more of these
> genetic seeds... they're good for the world." kind of thing. He
> may be eloquent, but my opinion is that makes him a more
> believable liar. Look at what he's DOING, not what he's saying.
>
> And frankly, what's the question here... If I beat my children,
> and am caught (and admit it on national television), I would be
> arrested and tried for it. No question. If I did it to hundreds
> (or thousands) of people, I'd make front page headlines, endless
> hours on the 24-7-news channels, and fear to walk the streets,
> lest people beat/kill me for my heinous crimes. So really. What's
> the difference?! I simply do not understand people having any
> question about this whatsoever!! Crime -> investigation ->
> admission -> trial -> sentencing. Period. No matter why we feel
> the need to consider whether we should push for prosecution, the
> fact that we're having to "consider whether" to prosecute is what
> needs to be looked at!
>
> Thanks for listening...
> Janice
>
> Jay Becker wrote:
>
> In what ways is the Obama administration "restoring control of
> the government to the people"? Not some words dug up from a
> speech that appeals to our prejudices but in fact, in deeds.
> The wars continue and are being expanded, despite the fact
> that millions have voted for the Democrats in two election
> cycles as a vote to end those wars. The bail-out? Commentators
> across the political spectrum agree that it is essentially the
> same approach that the Bush administration took, with a few
> revisions. Ending renditions? Last week the Obama Dept. of
> Justice (!) went into court and argued just what the Bush DoJ
> had: "Don't let lawsuits by detainees seeking redress for the
> crimes committed against them go forward because they will
> expose state secrets" - namely, the crimes against
> international law this government wants to continue behind the
> veil of state secrets!
>
> If we go along with all this because of a few crumbs thrown
> our way (precious few, in fact), then we are indeed complicit
> with that, and much more.
>
> "On the inauguration, crimes...and complicity"
> By Bob Avakian
>
> http://www.revcom.us/a/157/Avakian_on_Obama-en.html
>
>
>
>
> * *//Stop thinking like an American,
> Start thinking about humanity!
>
>
> --- On *Mon, 2/16/09, Hal Snyder /
> /* wrote:
>
> From: Hal Snyder
> Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] Icke on Obama
> To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net
>
> Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 7:15 AM
>
> David Icke is an interesting phenomenon. He can be
> insightful, charismatic, absurd, and hateful. I don't
> think he makes a strong case against Obama.
>
> Barack Obama and his administration clearly present a
> mixed picture.
>
> However, in response to Icke's charge that he is working
> to control the masses, there is ample evidence that Obama
> wants to restore control of the government to the people.
> We see attempts at taking community organizing to a
> national level. Community organizing is the opposite of
> top-down mind control. It is based on encouraging people
> to develop their own power.
>
> /... a viable organization can only be achieved if a
> broadly based indigenous leadership ? and not one or two
> charismatic leaders ? can knit together the diverse
> interests of their local institutions/
> - Barack Obama
>
> References:
>
> Documentary, DAVID ICKE: The Lizards and the Jews
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2912878405399014351
>
> change.gov
> usaservice.org
>
> Why Organize? Problems and Promise in the Inner City - by
> Barack Obama, 1990.
> http://www.edwoj.com/Alinsky/AlinskyObamaChapter1990.htm
>
> On Feb 16, 2009, at 12:44 AM, andrew ritter wrote:
>
> I'm sure there are a variety of opinions on David
> Icke, but I think he has some pretty solid arguments
> against Obama. I have included some highlights
> below. Full posting is very long and sometimes
> wanders, but also has a lot of indisputable facts &
> worth a read here:
>
> Barack Obama: The Naked Emperor
> http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/18281
>
>
> ...
> I worked in television for more than a decade,
> often reading autocue while a director spoke in my ear
> telling me what cameras to look at. I have, since the
> early 1990s, spoken my truth on public stages across
> the world. I know, therefore, the difference between
> artificial autocue delivery and body language and
> talking from the heart without a script. Obama, I
> repeat, is coming from the autocue, not the heart.
>
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From mincam2 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 17 19:26:24 2009
From: mincam2 at yahoo.com (Chuck Minne)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:26:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Are we chumps?
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This is worth watching:
?
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/02132009/watch.html
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From: mjkirk12 at yahoo.com (Mike Kirk)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:24:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Are we chumps?
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I saw part of this - very honest and to the point.?
Americans need to realize we are not immune from financial turmoil.
-Mike
--- On Tue, 2/17/09, Chuck Minne wrote:
From: Chuck Minne
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Are we chumps?
To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net
Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 6:26 PM
This is worth watching:
?
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/02132009/watch.html
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From hal at drxyzzy.org Tue Feb 17 22:34:47 2009
From: hal at drxyzzy.org (Hal Snyder)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:34:47 -0600
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Are we chumps?
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Message-ID:
The Baseline Scenario report has Simon Johnson's view of the
underlying economics.
http://www.iie.com/publications/papers/paper.cfm?ResearchID=1117
Regarding the notion of an entrenched cadre of individuals, amassing
and holding onto unimaginable wealth and power at any cost to the rest
of the planet, recall work by Peter Phillips and Project Censored on
the Global Dominance Group.
http://www.projectcensored.org/articles/story/the-global-dominance-group/
I think Bill Moyers and Simon (IMF) Johnson are still bumping around
inside the box. For example the chuckling over how we clearly don't
want the government running the banks, imagine going to the bank being
like a visit to the DMV, ha ha ha. Actually, going to private banks
these days is very much like a visit to the DMV where I live. Also:
when the government intervenes on a failing (small) bank, the bank is
promptly re-privatized [what a relief].... And so on.
1. There are at least as many threats to individual liberty in these
times from the private sector as there are from the government. Or
have we taken our eyes off: Monsanto, Choicepoint, Blackwater,
Pharma, big media, the health insurance industry, predatory lenders,
etc...
2. I don't think the current mess will be resolved until we realize
it's not about money. The recent discussion on this list about where
we put our personal energy, our time, our hearts - that's the real
currency of the human race. It's time to shake off decades of free-
market brainwashing and acknowledge higher human principles than
greed. And not just acknowledge these principles, but elevate them as
our greatest aspirations.
Putting a dollar amount on every object or act or creature, and
somehow expecting whims of human commerce (the free market) to produce
a just or sustainable result makes about as much sense to me as making
big decisions based on which way the wind blows.
3. Derrick Jensen says that if someone can slide insane premises past
you, they can use flawless logic to take you to an insane conclusion.
For example:
How can we get the economy growing again?
This assumes a) we want the economy to grow, b) we want an economy,
and c) there is some agreement of who "we" are.
Jensen gives reasons we might say no to a) and b) and suggests that
"we", the implied beneficiaries of a growing economy, leaves out much
of the human race as well as most other life on the planet.
How do they face their children?
http://growthmadness.org/2006/12/29/how-do-they-face-their-children/
On Feb 17, 2009, at 7:24 PM, Mike Kirk wrote:
> I saw part of this - very honest and to the point.
>
> Americans need to realize we are not immune from financial turmoil.
>
> -Mike
>
> --- On Tue, 2/17/09, Chuck Minne wrote:
> From: Chuck Minne
> Subject: [CitizensTruth] Are we chumps?
> To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net
> Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 6:26 PM
>
> This is worth watching:
>
> http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/02132009/watch.html
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From: welaware at merr.com (Kris Knight)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:48:27 -0600
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Are we chumps?
In-Reply-To:
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Message-ID:
I just want to say how utterly brilliant I think you are, Hal. You
are one of the best communicators in writing I know, and your
viewpoint is far more INCLUSIVE than EXclusive, which is what most
opining on the conditions of our times really is. As I read this, all
I could say is yes, yes, yes, yes. Keep writing more; share more with
us; be more open with us; give us more of this, please. You have made
such extraordinary strides since I first met you; please step up to
the plate more, starting yesterday.
And Hal, thanks for bringing us all together, so we can learn from
each other.
BTW, only a couple people shared about themselves; how many are on
this list? I'd still like to know about more of you. WHAT do you
emanate, what do you intend in this world?
On Feb 17, 2009, at 9:34 PM, Hal Snyder wrote:
> The Baseline Scenario report has Simon Johnson's view of the
> underlying economics.
> http://www.iie.com/publications/papers/paper.cfm?ResearchID=1117
>
> Regarding the notion of an entrenched cadre of individuals, amassing
> and holding onto unimaginable wealth and power at any cost to the
> rest of the planet, recall work by Peter Phillips and Project
> Censored on the Global Dominance Group.
> http://www.projectcensored.org/articles/story/the-global-dominance-group/
>
> I think Bill Moyers and Simon (IMF) Johnson are still bumping around
> inside the box. For example the chuckling over how we clearly don't
> want the government running the banks, imagine going to the bank
> being like a visit to the DMV, ha ha ha. Actually, going to private
> banks these days is very much like a visit to the DMV where I live.
> Also: when the government intervenes on a failing (small) bank, the
> bank is promptly re-privatized [what a relief].... And so on.
>
> 1. There are at least as many threats to individual liberty in these
> times from the private sector as there are from the government. Or
> have we taken our eyes off: Monsanto, Choicepoint, Blackwater,
> Pharma, big media, the health insurance industry, predatory lenders,
> etc...
>
> 2. I don't think the current mess will be resolved until we realize
> it's not about money. The recent discussion on this list about where
> we put our personal energy, our time, our hearts - that's the real
> currency of the human race. It's time to shake off decades of free-
> market brainwashing and acknowledge higher human principles than
> greed. And not just acknowledge these principles, but elevate them
> as our greatest aspirations.
>
> Putting a dollar amount on every object or act or creature, and
> somehow expecting whims of human commerce (the free market) to
> produce a just or sustainable result makes about as much sense to me
> as making big decisions based on which way the wind blows.
>
> 3. Derrick Jensen says that if someone can slide insane premises
> past you, they can use flawless logic to take you to an insane
> conclusion. For example:
>
> How can we get the economy growing again?
>
> This assumes a) we want the economy to grow, b) we want an economy,
> and c) there is some agreement of who "we" are.
>
> Jensen gives reasons we might say no to a) and b) and suggests that
> "we", the implied beneficiaries of a growing economy, leaves out
> much of the human race as well as most other life on the planet.
>
> How do they face their children?
> http://growthmadness.org/2006/12/29/how-do-they-face-their-children/
>
>
> On Feb 17, 2009, at 7:24 PM, Mike Kirk wrote:
>
>> I saw part of this - very honest and to the point.
>>
>> Americans need to realize we are not immune from financial turmoil.
>>
>> -Mike
>>
>> --- On Tue, 2/17/09, Chuck Minne wrote:
>> From: Chuck Minne
>> Subject: [CitizensTruth] Are we chumps?
>> To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net
>> Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 6:26 PM
>>
>> This is worth watching:
>>
>> http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/02132009/watch.html
>>
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From aqmstaffo at mailbag.com Wed Feb 18 12:16:28 2009
From: aqmstaffo at mailbag.com (Daniel Stafford)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:16:28 -0600
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Are we chumps? / Ending The Hidden Agenda
Behind "Tax Cuts"
In-Reply-To:
References: <341274.44943.qm@web83810.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <499C426C.5010101@mailbag.com>
I think the below article speaks to the same principles Hal is bringing
up, but from a more "conventional" - if you will - angle.
http://www.truthout.org/021709R?print
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Truthout Original
Ending the Hidden Agenda Behind Tax Cuts
Tuesday 17 February 2009
by: Joe Brewer, t r u t h o u t | Perspective
photo
The way that taxation is viewed by the public has a lot to do with the
way politicians frame the debate. (Artwork: inventions-guide.com)
*/Something as simple as a metaphor can mean the difference between
shared prosperity and widespread suffering./*
It's time to tell the truth about tax cuts. This phrase dominates
political discourse and is coughed out every time a conservative public
figure opens his mouth. It is treated like the basis of sound reasoning,
yet no one points out what should be obvious - that "tax relief" and
"tax cuts" are just code words for destroying the capacity of government
to serve the public.
We've heard over and over again that the source of society's
problems is the government. The solution that follows is to "trim the
fat," "cut out the waste," "shrink the government" and provide "relief"
to millions of citizens who suffer the burden of exploitation by
Washington elites. This story flies in the face of the facts, yet it
makes sense to a significant portion of the US population. How can this be?
The answer has to do with how we make sense of things in the world.
Our experiences shape what seems legitimate by reinforcing (or
undermining) our ideas about the way things work. So, for example, a
progressive politician may speak honestly and forcefully about the
positive role of government in our lives. But this will fall on deaf
ears if our typical experience is at odds with such claims. This
observation demonstrates a key element of what George Lakoff and I have
dubbed
the
*Cognitive Criterion for Public Support:*
/An effective policy must be popular if it is to stand the test of
time and it must be popular for the right reasons, namely because it
promotes the right long-term values in the minds of citizens, reinforced
through the lived experience./
The reason many people accept conservative claims about taxation and
government is that they hold up for many common experiences, especially
when conservatives are in control of the government. Conservative
officials enact policies that make life worse for people while claiming
that things will get better. Then they draw upon these negative
experiences to advance their agenda. No Child Left Behind is an
excellent example. The strategy works like this (a more detailed
analysis can be found here
):
1. Declare that the agenda is to "improve" public education.
2. Pass legislation that cripples public schools.
3. Cry out for "reform" when people see how bad our schools are doing.
4. Get rid of public schools and replace them with private schools,
especially schools that teach conservative ideology (e.g. elite
charter schools, religious schools, etc.).
This strategy demonstrates how *cognitive policy
*
works. Emphasis is given to how people understand what is happening. The
goal is to ensure that our experiences are interpreted through a
conservative lens. It is not literally the case that taxation is a
burden (a provocative metaphor), but rather that our common sense is
influenced by a combination of our experiences in the world and the
interpretive filters that give them meaning. (A key feature of how the
political mind works, as I discuss in The Great Political Blind Spot
.)
Back to the hidden agenda behind tax cuts; we can apply this insight
to see that conservatives *want* people to have negative experiences
with government. Why? Because it supports decades of propaganda - and an
underlying belief that stems from their worldview - that government is
the problem. In the early 1970's, conservative elites started investing
heavily in the creation of idea factories to spread their views far and
wide so that they eventually became the new common sense of our culture.
They had to work tirelessly for years to change the underlying values of
American citizens because our long history has been devoted to advancing
our most cherished values, which happen to be progressive. But, as we
can see by the pervasiveness of their ideas today, this effort has been
catastrophically successful.
Now is the time to nip their bankrupt idea about taxation in the
bud. The way to do it is simple. Take their reasoning to its logical
conclusion and see what happens if it is applied to the real world. We
can test the conservative belief about taxation against our own and
decide what's best by looking at the outcomes.
First, we'll need to be very clear about just what conservatives and
progressives mean by taxation. Then we can apply these understandings to
the world to see their consequences. (The insights that follow come from
linguistic analysis of cognitive "frames
"
that shape political thought.)
*Taxation as Conservatives Understand It*
I've already alluded to an interesting metaphor that helps make
sense of conservative thought about taxes, which I'll call Taxes Are a
Burden to make it explicit. The understanding of taxation that follows
from this metaphor can be seen in this story:
/Hard-working Americans are in need of some tax relief. Years of
mismanagement by tax-and-spend liberals have taken money out of the
hands of working people and put it into bloated government programs that
serve special interests. We need to cut taxes, return fiscal
responsibility to government, and put money back in the hands of
taxpayers who know best how to spend it./
This perspective is grounded in two beliefs: (1) The world is
comprised of individuals; and (2) People are inherently bad and must
learn right from wrong through self-discipline. I like to call this the
"Me First" perspective because it assumes that people must help
themselves before thinking about others. It can be summarized with the
declaration, "You're on your own!" The Me First perspective assumes that
any assistance from the community would be "coddling" or "spoiling" us.
This claim is asserted as truth in the conservative worldview.
*Taxation as Progressives Understand It*
Progressives have a different understanding of taxation that can be
expressed through a variety of metaphors: Taxes Are an Investment, Taxes
Are Membership Dues, Taxes Are Pathways to Opportunity, Taxes Are
Infrastructure and Taxes Are a Duty. (Read more about progressive
taxation in "Progressive Taxation: Some Hidden Truths
")
Reasoning that emerges with these metaphors can be seen in this
progressive story:
/Our great nation was founded on a promise of protection and
opportunity. Through our shared wealth, pooled together by taxation with
representation, we have invested in the public infrastructure that makes
possible the creation of new wealth. We have a sacred trust to keep this
promise alive throughout our lifetimes, expand it as we are able, and
pass it along to our children./
This perspective is grounded in the beliefs that (1) Individuals are
influenced significantly by our communities; and (2) People are
inherently good and benefit from cooperation with others. I like to call
this the "People First" perspective because it assumes that people must
help each other in order to enhance their ability to help themselves. It
can be summarized with the declaration, "We're all in this together!"
The People First perspective assumes that we are greater than the sum of
our parts and that new opportunities emerge when we make wise
investments with the common wealth we share.
*Truth and Consequences*
Now that we have a clear sense of what taxation means to
conservatives and progressives, we can see what happens if these
different ideas are used as governing principles for shaping society.
This analysis accomplishes two purposes. First, it reveals key truths
about taxation that complicate arguments made by conservatives, truths
that don't get talked about nearly enough. And second, it exposes a
covert agenda that deceptively exploits real concerns of people to
advance an otherwise unpopular agenda.
What happens if the Me First perspective is applied to taxation?
Just look to the world we find ourselves in today. A problem defined as
"too much spending" leads to budget cuts. This results in a diminished
capacity to provide vital services. Public goods like education, civil
and criminal courts, road maintenance and fundamental scientific
research are too costly for individuals - or even multinational
corporations - to afford. So these services are cut and people lose
their jobs. Thousands of teachers no longer cultivating young minds.
Countless construction workers laid off when city and state governments
halt infrastructure projects. Graduates with advanced degrees unable to
find work because public agencies are "tightening their belts" and
cutting back on grants to academia, nonprofits and the private sector.
Beyond the direct human suffering of disrupted lives, there is
substantial reduction in government programs that protect the public
against harm. The FDA cannot staff enough inspectors to keep toxic
peanuts out of the food supply. The EPA lacks capacity to keep drinking
water clean in cities and towns across the country. The SEC is unable to
keep a watchful eye on runaway speculation and our economy spins wildly
out of control. Bridges crumble and levies break because funds are in
short supply.
The consequence of conservative ideology is a self-fulfilling
prophecy. People are forced to be "on their own" with no protection
against serious threats and no assistance to get them beyond their
current means. When disasters strike, there is widespread suffering and
death because the tapestry of society - our precious safety net - has
withered and decayed. Think I'm exaggerating? I'll just say one word -
Katrina.
And despite their claims to the contrary, conservative leaders
*want* this to happen .
Contrast this with the People First perspective. Again, we can let
experience be our guide. A decade of rampant deregulation, perpetrated
by a conservative mindset about the relationship between government and
the economy, led to the great stock market crash of 1929. A visionary
progressive leader, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, stepped in and vastly
expanded a wide variety of public programs. The flood of revenues
accompanying this expansion was enough to put millions of unemployed
back to work. New programs that embody the spirit of progress emerged in
the decades that followed. Social Security, the GI Bill, Medicare and
the FDIC are a few examples of the legacy this pooling of resources
delivered to the American people.
Along with this massive investment in societal infrastructure,
Americans experienced tremendous growth of shared prosperity. For the
first time in our history, an entire generation of children from
working-class families moved up the economic ladder with college degrees
in hand. Home ownership skyrocketed. Literacy rates went through the
roof and new skills emerged to expand the capacity of markets. And two
generations of people experienced the benefits of cooperation in their
daily lives, codifying the ethic that we're all in it together as a
bedrock of sound reason.
I can attest to this from personal experience. Both of my parents
came from working-class families. I was the first to get a college
degree. Federal and state scholarships delivered me from the rural farm
to the hallowed halls. And now society gets to benefit from the fruits
of my labor as I work to transform our political system for the
betterment of society. The cognitive policy of the People First
perspective is a foundation of my identity in the world.
*The Hidden Agenda Exposed*
The progress of our nation is being held hostage by a malicious
metaphor. Treating taxation as nothing more than a burden is tantamount
to declaring that citizenship is nothing more than getting all you can
for yourself ... everyone else be damned. Conservative elites have
undermined the responsibilities we have to one another to advance their
agenda. They are fully committed to crafting the world in their image,
as we've seen all too clearly these last eight years and throughout the
current debate about economic recovery under the Obama administration.
I say enough is enough. Let's call this tactic out for what it is.
People are hurting in every corner of the land and they're looking for
help where they haven't dared to look for quite some time - in the
service of our representatives in the federal government. Conservatives
will try to convince us that our hardships are caused by excessive
government. The truth is that we are suffering under excessive
/conservative ideology of governance,/ which is a very different beast.
They continue to claim that we can't get ahead because we're overtaxed.
This claim is absurd!
Not a single home foreclosure throughout this crisis has been caused
by excessive taxation. The misfortune of illness in a dysfunctional
health system has burdened people with horrendous debt. /Where did this
problem come from? Profit-driven health care created under the Nixon
administration./
Banks haven't failed catastrophically through oversized personal W-2
forms. Radical deregulation is the culprit. /Who deregulated the market?
Conservative ideologues from both political parties./ (This is what the
word "centrist" really means - conservatives who've infiltrated the
Democratic Party.)
Companies haven't been driven to huge layoffs because their tax
burden is too high. They are victims of an unraveling market. /What
undermined the integrity of the global economy? An extremist philosophy
of governance that is blind to the role of the regulatory frameworks
that give stabilizing structure to our markets./
What can we do to stop the conservative agenda? Call it out for what
it is. When someone says, "People need tax relief," respond by letting
them know that "We /really/ need to invest in one another." Make it
clear what the consequences of tax cuts really are - the destruction of
our mechanisms for protecting and empowering one another. And let's stop
taking their language for granted just because everyone is doing it.
That logic didn't make much sense in middle school. It's all the more
dangerous to follow as adults. Challenge the conservative meaning of
taxation directly. Declare that we are decidedly NOT on our own. Point
to the benefits we've taken for granted too long, things like education
and schools and roads and courts.
We mustn't stop with a critique of their ideas either. We need to
fervently argue for our own. Together we are greater than the sum of our
parts. A prosperous community is a place where neighbors pool their
efforts for the greater good. Taxes provide resources for investments
larger than anything we could build on our own. And these benefits
create a space for new ideas to take hold and expand our wealth.
Ideas matter. Words are important. We cannot afford to let a radical
minority set the tone of public debate any longer. The time is ripe for
moving beyond the era of misguided individualism. Let's take the
momentum we've built in the last few years and place the United States
back on a course that resonates with our deeply held values - caring for
one another, expanding freedoms to the marginalized, and recognizing
that our shared prosperity is at the core of our success as a nation.
-------
/Joe Brewer is founder and director of Cognitive Policy Works
, an educational and research
center devoted to the application of cognitive and behavioral sciences
to politics. He is a former fellow of the Rockridge Institute
, a think tank founded by George
Lakoff to analyze political discourse for the progressive movement. This
article has been previously published on the Cognitive Policy Works site
./
Hal Snyder wrote:
> The Baseline Scenario report has Simon Johnson's view of the
> underlying economics.
> http://www.iie.com/publications/papers/paper.cfm?ResearchID=1117
>
> Regarding the notion of an entrenched cadre of individuals, amassing
> and holding onto unimaginable wealth and power *at any cost to the
> rest of the planet*, recall work by Peter Phillips and Project
> Censored on the Global Dominance Group.
> http://www.projectcensored.org/articles/story/the-global-dominance-group/
>
> I think Bill Moyers and Simon (IMF) Johnson are still bumping
> around *inside the box*. For example the chuckling over how we clearly
> don't want the government running the banks, imagine going to the bank
> being like a visit to the DMV, ha ha ha. Actually,* going to private
> banks* these days is very much like a visit to the DMV where I live.
> Also: when the government intervenes on a failing (small) bank, the
> bank is promptly re-privatized [/what a relief/].... And so on.
>
> 1. There are at least as many *threats to individual liberty in these
> times from the private sector* as there are from the government. Or
> have we taken our eyes off: Monsanto, Choicepoint, Blackwater,
> Pharma, big media, the health insurance industry, predatory lenders,
> etc...
>
> 2. I don't think the current mess will be resolved until we realize
> *it's not about money*. The recent discussion on this list about where
> we put our personal energy, our time, our hearts - that's the *real
> currency of the human race*. It's time to shake off decades of
> free-market brainwashing and acknowledge higher human principles than
> greed. And not just acknowledge these principles, but elevate them as
> our greatest aspirations.
>
> Putting a dollar amount on every object or act or creature, and
> somehow expecting whims of human commerce (the free market) to produce
> a just or sustainable result makes about as much sense to me as making
> big decisions based on which way the wind blows.
>
> 3. Derrick Jensen says that if someone can slide insane premises past
> you, they can use flawless logic to take you to an insane conclusion.
> For example:
>
> */How can we get the economy growing again?/*
>
> This assumes a) we want the economy to grow, b) we want an economy,
> and c) there is some agreement of who "we" are.
>
> Jensen gives reasons we might say no to a) and b) and suggests that
> "we", the implied beneficiaries of a growing economy, leaves out much
> of the human race as well as most other life on the planet.
>
> How do they face their children?
> http://growthmadness.org/2006/12/29/how-do-they-face-their-children/
>
>
> On Feb 17, 2009, at 7:24 PM, Mike Kirk wrote:
>
>> I saw part of this - very honest and to the point.
>>
>> Americans need to realize we are not immune from financial turmoil.
>>
>> -Mike
>>
>> --- On *Tue, 2/17/09, Chuck Minne /> >/* wrote:
>>
>> From: Chuck Minne >
>> Subject: [CitizensTruth] Are we chumps?
>> To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net
>>
>> Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 6:26 PM
>>
>> This is worth watching:
>>
>> http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/02132009/watch.html
>>
>>
>>
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From aqmstaffo at mailbag.com Wed Feb 18 12:32:10 2009
From: aqmstaffo at mailbag.com (Daniel Stafford)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:32:10 -0600
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Are we chumps?
In-Reply-To:
References: <341274.44943.qm@web83810.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <499C461A.8050004@mailbag.com>
Kris, I am such a conglomeration of different experiences and
geographical locations within the USA that a concise history always
leaves important parts out. There's probably 30+ short bios of me
floating around on the web at facebook, Myspace, Blogger, and various
poetry sites, Google would tell you more than enough.
What I want is to leave this world better than I found it.
1. A living, sustainable biosphere.
2. People being valued inherently rather than just for the material
things they can produce.
3. Humankind expanding into space and peacefully exploring the universe,
in cooperation with other life we find as we go.
4. An end to violence based on the economic priorities of an "elite"
class of human monstrosities hiding in the shadows.
5. An end to violence as a means of "resolving" differences of opinion;
violence "solves" absolutely nothing.
6. A true balance between technology and nature; a partnership of the
organic and the technological that enhances both and devalues neither.
That's probably quite enough in and of itself. I don't put these in any
particular order of priority; they're all necessary. I just list them in
the order they occur to me.
Regards,
Dan Stafford
Kris Knight wrote:
>
> And Hal, thanks for bringing us all together, so we can learn from
> each other.
> BTW, only a couple people shared about themselves; how many are on
> this list? I'd still like to know about more of you. WHAT do you
> emanate, what do you intend in this world?
>
>
From welaware at merr.com Wed Feb 18 12:42:36 2009
From: welaware at merr.com (Kris Knight)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:42:36 -0600
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Are we chumps?
In-Reply-To: <499C461A.8050004@mailbag.com>
References: <341274.44943.qm@web83810.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
<499C461A.8050004@mailbag.com>
Message-ID: <56EACDF3-59BD-4E47-94AB-F723D269EDCE@merr.com>
THANK YOU so much. That's enough for me. I have no way of knowing
who has stuff all around the cyper-place or not. Not a cybergeek at
all. Very, very busy neuromuscular massage therapist with excellent
reputation, because of RESULTS, so can't learn it all. And loved the
smell of what came out of mosquito trucks as a child so thought it
cool to run behind them. ( What probably saved me was all the raw
dairy I had as I grew up, having NO clue how good for me that really
was.) Didn't do running behind the truck often, but with what we
now know, well---I do best with hands-on/touch learning, methinks!!!:-)
On Feb 18, 2009, at 11:32 AM, Daniel Stafford wrote:
> Kris, I am such a conglomeration of different experiences and
> geographical locations within the USA that a concise history always
> leaves important parts out. There's probably 30+ short bios of me
> floating around on the web at facebook, Myspace, Blogger, and
> various poetry sites, Google would tell you more than enough.
>
> What I want is to leave this world better than I found it.
>
> 1. A living, sustainable biosphere.
> 2. People being valued inherently rather than just for the material
> things they can produce.
> 3. Humankind expanding into space and peacefully exploring the
> universe, in cooperation with other life we find as we go.
> 4. An end to violence based on the economic priorities of an "elite"
> class of human monstrosities hiding in the shadows.
> 5. An end to violence as a means of "resolving" differences of
> opinion; violence "solves" absolutely nothing.
> 6. A true balance between technology and nature; a partnership of
> the organic and the technological that enhances both and devalues
> neither.
>
> That's probably quite enough in and of itself. I don't put these in
> any particular order of priority; they're all necessary. I just list
> them in the order they occur to me.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dan Stafford
>
>
>
> Kris Knight wrote:
>>
>> And Hal, thanks for bringing us all together, so we can learn from
>> each other. BTW, only a couple people shared about themselves; how
>> many are on this list? I'd still like to know about more of you.
>> WHAT do you emanate, what do you intend in this world?
>>
> _______________________________________________
> CitizensTruth mailing list
> CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth
> website: http://citizenstruth.info
Kris Knight of WellAware Life Enhancement Center
Phone: 1-608-ALL-LIFE
welaware at merr.com
From aroyboy44 at hotmail.com Wed Feb 18 14:20:19 2009
From: aroyboy44 at hotmail.com (andrew ritter)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:20:19 +0000
Subject: [CitizensTruth] FW: 17,000 troops, but where is the plan?
In-Reply-To: <20090218174920.82AB42D12BF@outbound.mailmanager.net>
References: <20090218174920.82AB42D12BF@outbound.mailmanager.net>
Message-ID:
Subject: 17,000 troops, but where is the plan?
To: aroyboy44 at hotmail.com
From: alerts at peaceactionwest.org
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:49:20 -0500
17,000 troops, but where is the plan?
Peace Action West
We need a clear plan before risking more lives in Afghanistan.
Please tell President Obama and Congress you want a new approach.
Dear Andrew,
President Obama just announced that he will send another 17,000 troops to Afghanistan.
Recent reports stated that President Obama was going to carefully deliberate and develop a new strategy for Afghanistan before putting more soldiers in harm?s way. The troops are heading out, but where is the new plan?
More troops won?t solve our problems in Afghanistan. Click here to tell President Obama and Congress that we need a comprehensive plan for Afghanistan before risking more American and Afghan lives.
We have seen
the disastrous consequences of heading into war without a plan in Iraq. We are still mourning American and Iraqi lives lost, and struggling to rehabilitate our economy while spending billions of dollars on war.
Since the invasion of Afghanistan in 2001, Al Qaeda has increased its attacks. Last year saw the most civilian deaths in Afghanistan since the US invaded, and a new poll shows that only 18% of Afghans want more US troops. Bombings of civilians in Afghanistan and Pakistan are angering the populations in both countries and their governments, undermining the US?s ability to create stability. We cannot simply intensify the Bush administration?s failed policy. Now is the time for us to press President Obama and Congress to find a better approach to Afghanistan.
An
authoritative report released last year demonstrated that military force has historically been unsuccessful in defeating terrorism [1]. Counterinsurgency experts have said that a military strategy would require hundreds of thousands of troops we can?t send, and even if we did there would be no guarantee of success. We have heard a lot about why we need to shift resources to Afghanistan, but we need to hear a lot more about what kind of resources would be truly effective. There are many other pieces of this puzzle?policing and intelligence, dealing with corruption in government, using regional diplomacy and carrying out reconstruction and humanitarian aid projects?that Congress and the administration need to consider before moving forward with a troop increase. Can you help us send this urgent message
today?
President Obama has demonstrated his inclination to be thoughtful and deliberate about his decisions. He has also encouraged us to let him know in what direction we want to see our country heading. Up until now, there hasn?t been a push from the public for a new plan in Afghanistan; this is an urgent time to seize this role and let our government know we want a new approach.
Thank you for your urgent help.
P.S. To read Peace Action West?s piece on The War in Afghanistan and Better Approaches to Ending Terrorism, click here.
Footnote: 1. According to a RAND Corporation report, since 1968, only seven percent of all terrorist groups that have ended were
taken down by military force. In contrast, 40 percent of those groups were defeated through police and intelligence work, and 43 percent gave up terrorism as they were integrated into the political process. The framework of the "Global War on Terror" has set up unrealistic expectations of a military victory against non-state actors, and the apportioning of counterterrorism resources has reflected that flawed approach.
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From mjkirk12 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 18 15:35:32 2009
From: mjkirk12 at yahoo.com (Mike Kirk)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:35:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Police state tyranny in MD - Mayor's home invaded
by Stormtroopers
Message-ID: <243365.49222.qm@web83814.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
The police state in action:? http://tinyurl.com/ao2xzu
Very disturbing.? No one apologized - search warrant issued 3 days later.
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From edward_rynearson at yahoo.com Wed Feb 18 16:37:50 2009
From: edward_rynearson at yahoo.com (Edward Rynearson)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:37:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Ray McGovern on the Peter B Collins Show (Obama's
foreign policy discussed)
In-Reply-To:
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Just added Monday's Intreview with Ray McGovern on the Peter B Collins show:
http://www.radiodujour.com/people/mcgovern_ray
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From: mincam2 at yahoo.com (Chuck Minne)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:30:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Food for thought
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL9Wu2kWwSY
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From geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com Wed Feb 18 19:09:00 2009
From: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com (Geri Perry)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 18:09:00 -0600
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Are we chumps?
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Dear Hal etal,
Regarding the idea that's "it's not about money". Au contraire!! It IS
about money. It's ALWAYS been about money! Or perhaps more specifically,
money creation. Those who control the manner in which money is brought
into circulation are able to make the rules, and always have been.
As a result there is no longer a dime's worth of difference left between
the government and the private sector. (re-read part I of my book,
AND/OR read the last article of my series on derivatives: "The Place
Where Industry, the Military and Government Converge:
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_4307.shtml )
This is exactly why Jefferson said: ?Money is the agent by which modern
nations will recover their rights.?
The sooner we learn this, the better off the entire world will be,
because THIS is NO ORDINARY downturn!!
Please revisit my article "Pulling Ourselves from the Economic Abyss :
http://911awakening.com/?p=766 AND/OR read the very long 1995 article I
quote from in my piece which details the first global crash of 1345, the
truly gruesome effects of which rained down upon REAL people for 100
years after - all while the financial elite made out like bandits by
manipulating currencies:
http://www.schillerinstitute.org/fid_91-96/954_Gallagher_Venice_rig.html
Our money is - and long has been - evidence of debt, NOT evidence of
wealth as it should be. Actually money that is evidence of wealth IS the
"real currency of the human race" as you put it.
Today we've hit a wall, because our total public and private debt
(approx. $53 trillion) outstrips our money supply (approx. $14 trillion)
by a factor of nearly 4 to 1 (give or take a trillion here and there).
THIS IS PRECISELY WHY WE ARE FACING A GROWING POLICE STATE, and we are
the ones paying for it - through increasingly brazen amounts of theft
and propaganda. The propaganda is so good that most of us in the U.S.
still believe "our vote counts" and therefore fail to see the writing on
the wall.
Here's some excerpts from a new article by economist Michael Hudson
which help illustrate the above along with how the current scenario is
panning out - all in a ridiculous and morally bankrupt attempt to
maintain the current "banking -i.e.theft - system" (which may collapse
anyway).
In periods of looming collapse, wealthy elites protect their funds. In
times past they bought gold when currencies started to weaken. . .Since
the 1950s the International Monetary Fund has made loans to support
Third World exchange rates long enough to subsidize capital flight. In
the United States over the past half-year, bankers and Wall Street
investors have tapped the Treasury and Federal Reserve to support prices
of their bad loans and financial gambles, buying out or guaranteeing $12
trillion of these junk debts. Protection for the U.S. financial elite
thus takes the form of domestic public debt, not foreign currency.
It is all in vain as far as the real economy is concerned. When the
Treasury gives banks newly printed government bonds in ?cash for trash?
swaps, it leaves today?s unpayably high private-sector debt in place.
All that happens is that this debt is now owed to (or guaranteed by) the
government, which will have to impose taxes to pay the interest charges.
. .
The new twist is a variant on the IMF ?stabilization? plans that lend
money to central banks to support their currencies ? for long enough to
enable local oligarchs and foreign investors to move their savings and
investments offshore at a good exchange rate. The currency then is
permitted to collapse, enabling currency speculators to rake in enough
gains to empty out the central bank?s reserves. Speculators view these
central bank holdings as a target to be raided ? the larger the better.
The IMF will lend a central bank, say, $10 billion to ?support the
currency.? Domestic holders will flee the currency at a high exchange
rate. Then, when the loan proceeds are depleted, the currency plunges.
Wages are squeezed in the usual IMF austerity program, and the economy
is forced to earn enough foreign exchange to pay back the IMF.
As a condition for getting this kind of IMF ?support,? governments are
told to run a budget surplus, cut back social spending, lower wages and
raise taxes on labor so as to squeeze out enough exports to repay the
IMF loans. But inasmuch as this kind ?stabilization plan? cripples their
domestic economy, they are obliged to sell off public infrastructure at
distress prices ? to foreign buyers who themselves borrow the money. The
effect is to make such countries even more dependent on less
?neoliberalized? economies. . .
The Obama bank bailout is arranged much like an IMF loan to support the
exchange rate of foreign currency, but with the Treasury supporting
financial asset prices for U.S. banks and other financial institutions.
Instead of banks and oligarchs abandoning the dollar, the aim is to
enable them to dump their bad mortgages and CDOs and get domestic
Treasury bonds. Private-sector debt will be moved onto the U.S.
Government balance sheet, where ?taxpayers? will bear losses ? mainly
labor not Wall Street, inasmuch as the financial sector has been freed
of income-tax liability by the ?small print? in last fall?s Paulson-Bush
bailout package. But at least the U.S. Government is handling the
situation entirely in domestic dollars.
As in Third World austerity programs, the effect of keeping the debts in
place at the ?real? economy?s expense will be to shrink the domestic
U.S. market ? while providing opportunities for hedge funds to pick up
depreciated assets cheaply as the federal government, states and cities
sell them off. This is called letting the banks ?earn their way out of
debt.? It?s strangling the ?real? economy, because not a dollar of the
government?s response has been devoted to reducing the overall debt volume.
Note that under the current money creation system there really is NO way
to reduce the overall debt volume, and Obama - like most presidents - is
merely following the "best advice money can buy".
Moreover and because of the manner in which the US is supporting the
dollar, the dollar is likely to remain in place as the world's reserve
currency, shaky and unstable though that may be. Anyway, Walter Burien
was right on this point at least: "when you own the cookie jar, you
control the price of the cookies."
full article: http://counterpunch.org/hudson02172009.html
Hal Snyder wrote:
> The Baseline Scenario report has Simon Johnson's view of the
> underlying economics.
> http://www.iie.com/publications/papers/paper.cfm?ResearchID=1117
>
> Regarding the notion of an entrenched cadre of individuals, amassing
> and holding onto unimaginable wealth and power *at any cost to the
> rest of the planet*, recall work by Peter Phillips and Project
> Censored on the Global Dominance Group.
> http://www.projectcensored.org/articles/story/the-global-dominance-group/
>
> I think Bill Moyers and Simon (IMF) Johnson are still bumping around
> *inside the box*. For example the chuckling over how we clearly don't
> want the government running the banks, imagine going to the bank being
> like a visit to the DMV, ha ha ha. Actually,* going to private banks*
> these days is very much like a visit to the DMV where I live. Also:
> when the government intervenes on a failing (small) bank, the bank is
> promptly re-privatized [/what a relief/].... And so on.
>
> 1. There are at least as many *threats to individual liberty in these
> times from the private sector* as there are from the government. Or
> have we taken our eyes off: Monsanto, Choicepoint, Blackwater, Pharma,
> big media, the health insurance industry, predatory lenders, etc...
>
> 2. I don't think the current mess will be resolved until we realize
> *it's not about money*. The recent discussion on this list about where
> we put our personal energy, our time, our hearts - that's the *real
> currency of the human race*. It's time to shake off decades of
> free-market brainwashing and acknowledge higher human principles than
> greed. And not just acknowledge these principles, but elevate them as
> our greatest aspirations.
>
> Putting a dollar amount on every object or act or creature, and
> somehow expecting whims of human commerce (the free market) to produce
> a just or sustainable result makes about as much sense to me as making
> big decisions based on which way the wind blows.
>
> 3. Derrick Jensen says that if someone can slide insane premises past
> you, they can use flawless logic to take you to an insane conclusion.
> For example:
>
> */How can we get the economy growing again?/*
>
> This assumes a) we want the economy to grow, b) we want an economy,
> and c) there is some agreement of who "we" are.
>
> Jensen gives reasons we might say no to a) and b) and suggests that
> "we", the implied beneficiaries of a growing economy, leaves out much
> of the human race as well as most other life on the planet.
>
> How do they face their children?
> http://growthmadness.org/2006/12/29/how-do-they-face-their-children/
>
>
> On Feb 17, 2009, at 7:24 PM, Mike Kirk wrote:
>
>> I saw part of this - very honest and to the point.
>>
>> Americans need to realize we are not immune from financial turmoil.
>>
>> -Mike
>>
>> --- On *Tue, 2/17/09, Chuck Minne /> >/* wrote:
>>
>> From: Chuck Minne >
>> Subject: [CitizensTruth] Are we chumps?
>> To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net
>>
>> Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 6:26 PM
>>
>> This is worth watching:
>> http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/02132009/watch.html
>>
>>
>>
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From mincam2 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 18 22:32:03 2009
From: mincam2 at yahoo.com (Chuck Minne)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:32:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Are we chumps? II
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BILL MOYERS: Are we chumps?
?
SIMON JOHNSON: We'll find out. Yes, we may be. Okay. It depends on how we play this politically. It depends on what our political system does. It depends, I think, on the level of reaction. The financial system is playing us for chumps, okay? The bankers think we're chumps. We'll find out. We have leadership that can handle this. We'll find out what they do.
?
BILL MOYERS: There was a moment in the hearings this week, when Senator Bernie Sanders, an independent, the independent senator from Vermont, almost lost his cool. Watch this.
?
SENATOR BERNARD SANDERS: In 2006 and 2007, Lloyd Blankfein, the CEO of Goldman Sachs, was the highest paid executive on Wall Street, making over 125 million in total compensation. Due to its risky investments, Goldman Sachs now has over 168 billion in total outstanding debt. It's laid off over 10 percent of its workforce. Late last year, the financial situation at Goldman was so dire that the taxpayers of this country provided Goldman Sachs with a $10 billion bailout.
Very simple question that I think the American people want to know. Yes or no, should Mr. Blankfein be fired from his job and new leadership be brought in?
?
SECRETARY GEITHNER: Senator, that's a judgment his board of directors have to make.
I want to say one thing which is very important. Everything we do going forward has to be judged against the impact we're going to have on the American people and the prospects for recovery. And every dollar we spend will have to be measured against the benefits we bring in terms of-
?
SENATOR SANDERS: Mr. Secretary, you're not answering my question. You have a person who made hundreds of millions for himself as he led his institution that helped cause a great financial crisis. We have put, as taxpayers, $10 billion to bail him out and we have no say about whether or not he should stay on the job?
?
SECRETARY GEITHNER: No, I didn't say that. I think there will be circumstances, as there have been already, where the government intervention will have to come with very tough conditions, including changes in management and leadership of institutions. And where we believe that makes sense, we will do that.?
?
BILL MOYERS: And, yet, Secretary Geithner's chief-of-staff is the former lobbyist for Goldman Sachs. How - serious question - how do they make a dispassionate judgment about how to deal with Goldman Sachs when they're so intertwined with Goldman Sachs' mindset?
?
SIMON JOHNSON: I have no idea. Of course, the administration, the new administration, has a lot of rules about lobbying. And they have rules that basically say, I think, as understood the rules, when they were first presented, I was very impressed. They basically said, "We're not going to hire lobbyists into the administration. There has to be some sort of cooling off period."
?
BILL MOYERS: And the next day Obama exempted a number of people from that very rule that he had just proclaimed.
?
SIMON JOHNSON: Yes. It's a problem. It's a huge problem.
?
BILL MOYERS: So here's the trillion dollar question that I take from your blog, that I read at the beginning, quote, "Can this person," your new economic strategist, in this case Geithner, "really break with the vested elite that got you into this much trouble?" Have you seen any evidence this week that he's going to be tough with these guys?
?
SIMON JOHNSON: I'm trying to be positive. I'm trying to be supportive. I like the administration. I voted for the president. The answer to your question is, no, I haven't seen anything. But you know, perhaps next week I will. But right now, as we speak, I have a bad feeling in my stomach.
?
My intuition, from crises, from situations that have improved, the situations that got worse, my intuition is that this is going to get a lot worse. It's going to cost us a lot more money. And we are going down a long, dark, blind alley.
?
Can be seen or read in entirety at: http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/02132009/watch.html
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From: aqmstaffo at mailbag.com (Daniel Stafford)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 11:06:00 -0600
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Jailing Kids for Cash: 2,
000+ kids in PA jailed by corrupt bribed judges
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Amy Goodman | Jailing Kids for Cash
http://www.truthout.org/021909J
Amy Goodman, Truthdig.com: "As many as 5,000 children in Pennsylvania have been found guilty, and up to 2,000 of them jailed, by two corrupt judges who received kickbacks from the builders and owners of private prison facilities that benefited. The two judges pleaded guilty in a stunning case of greed and corruption that is still unfolding. Judges Mark A. Ciavarella Jr. and Michael T. Conahan received $2.6 million in kickbacks while imprisoning children who often had no access to a lawyer. The case offers an extraordinary glimpse into the shameful private prison industry that is flourishing in the United
From edward_rynearson at yahoo.com Thu Feb 19 12:53:45 2009
From: edward_rynearson at yahoo.com (Edward Rynearson)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:53:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Obama Won on a Populist Surge -- So Where's the
Populist Policy? - Jim Hightower
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http://www.alternet.org/workplace/127493/
Obama Won on a Populist Surge -- So Where's the Populist Policy?
By
Jim Hightower, Creators Syndicate. Posted February 19, 2009.
In no time at all the treasury secretary has reduced Obama's populist bark to a puppy whimper. What are we going to do about it?
I don't mind losing when we lose, but I hate losing when we win.
One
big reason that Barack Obama now occupies the big chair in the Oval
Office is that he embraced the public's rising indignation at the
blatant greed of Wall Street bankers, striking the proper populist tone
in last year's presidential election. After all, these slick financial
elites crashed our economy, yet they kept enriching and pampering
themselves, even as taxpayers were being forced to throw hundreds of
billions of dollars at their failing institutions.
Having
won and taken office, Obama proceeded to rip right into the bankers'
shameless avarice, denouncing their "culture of narrow self-interest
and short-term gain at the expense of everything else."
Great stuff! Go get 'em, Barack!
A
week later, however, the president's treasury chief, Timothy Geithner,
rolled out the administration's plan to add more than a trillion
dollars to the ongoing Wall Street bailout, and -- Holy William
Jennings Bryan -- Obama's populist bark had been reduced to a puppy
whimper! It seems that Geithner and Obama's top economic advisor,
Lawrence Summers -- both of whom have long been cozy with the very same
greed-headed bankers who caused the financial mess we're in -- had been
cooing into the president's ears about the "danger" of "harshly"
punishing executives and "spooking" private investors.
Thanks
to them, even though populist politics won, populist policy lost. Gone
from Obama's proposal is the idea that top managers of the failed banks
-- the executives who made the foolhardy investments that brought the
system down -- should be ousted (if not tarred and feathered). Instead,
our trillion-plus bucks are to be put right into those same hands! If
ignorance is bliss, Geithner and Summers must be ecstatic.
The
Soft-on-Wall Street boys also prevailed over those who pushed to impose
strict limits on the pay of top executives whose banks are getting our
bailout money. While Obama's team did put a $500,000 annual cap on cash
paid to the CEO, the restriction does not apply to Citigroup, Bank of
America, JPMorgan Chase and about 350 other banks that've already
grabbed bailout funds. It only applies to those taking money in the
next phase of the giveaway. Also, the executives who do fall under the
cash cap can receive unlimited bonuses in the form of stock payments.
The
worst part of this political cave-in is not in the details, but in the
principle that was abandoned. Obama hit it on the head when he
denounced "the culture" of executive entitlement that has infested
America's corporate world.
In the past couple of
decades, the ethical notion that business leaders should be trustees
for the enterprise -- with responsibilities to future shareholders,
employees and the larger society -- has been displaced by a singular
focus on amassing short-term wealth for the few by driving up the stock
price, no matter what shortcuts must be taken to achieve that soulless
goal. CEOs who can jack up those prices, by hook or crook, are hailed
as geniuses and treated as royalty, no matter how much damage they're
doing to their company or our country.
This
celebration of manipulated wealth has even fostered an absurd bit of
conventional wisdom that we can't get competent executive talent for a
mere $500,000 a year. This stems from the prevailing (and pernicious)
corporate fiction that the best are, by definition, the ones who're
paid the most. Yet 500K is 25 percent more than our country's president
makes, more than our top-rated non-profit leaders receive, more than
most community bankers take and way more than America's finest teachers
are paid. Wall Street conveniently equates compensation with value --
and since CEOs compensate themselves extravagantly, they've come to
assume that they are America's most valuable people. Indispensable,
even.
It is this self-aggrandizing corporate
culture that must be changed. Sadly, Geithner, Summers -- and Obama --
have instead advanced that culture by failing to hold some of its worst
practitioners accountable for their enormously destructive actions.
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From: futurenotwritten at yahoo.com (Jay Becker)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:53:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Peter Phillips on Obama Administration's Military
Policy
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Barack Obama Administration Continues US Military Global Dominance?By Peter Phillips?The
Barack Obama administration is continuing the neo-conservative agenda
of US military domination of the world? albeit with perhaps with a
kinder-gentler face.? While overt torture is now forbidden for the CIA
and Pentagon,
and symbolic gestures like the closing of the Guantanamo prison are in
evidence, a unilateral military dominance policy, expanding military budget, and wars of occupation and aggression will likely continue unabated.?The military expansionists from within the Reagan, George H. W. Bush, Clinton, G. W. Bush administrations all put into place solid support for increased military spending. Clinton?s model of supporting the US military industrial complex
was hold steady defense spending and to increase foreign weapons sales
from 16% of global orders to over 60% by end of his administration.?The neo-conservatives, who dominated the most recent Bush administration,
amplified this trend for increased military spending. The neo-cons laid
out their agenda for military global dominance in the 2000 Project for
a New American Century (PNAC) report Rebuilding America's Defenses. The report called for the protection of the American Homeland, the ability to wage simultaneous theater wars, to perform global constabulary roles, and to control space and cyberspace. The report claimed that in order to maintain a Pax Americana, potential rivals ? such as China, Iran, Iraq, and North Korea
? needed to be held in check. Their military global dominance agenda
required forward deployment of US forces worldwide and increasing
defense/war spending well into the 21st
century. The result was a doubling of the US military budget to over
$700 billion in the last eight years. The US now spends as much on
war/defense as the rest of the world combined making American taxpayers
the highest war tax providers in the world.?Barack
Obama?s election brought a moment of hope for many. However, the Obama
administration is not calling for deceased military spending, or a
reversal of US military global dominance. Instead, Obama retained Robert Gates,
thus making Obama the first president from an opposing party, in US
history, to keep in place the outgoing administrations? Secretary of
Defense/War. Additionally, Obama is calling for an expanded war in Afghanistan and only minimal long-range reductions in Iraq.
?The US military industrial complex is deeply embedded inside the Washington beltway. According to the most recent reports from OpenSecrets.org, 151 members of Congress in 2006 had up to $195.5 million invested in defense companies.
?Major defense contractors were seriously involved in the 2008 elections. Lockheed Martin gave $2,612,219 in total political campaign donations
with 49% to Democrats ($1,285,493) and 51% to Republicans?
($1,325,159). Boeing gave $2,225,947 in 2008 with 58% to Democrats and General Dynamics provided $1,682,595 to both parties.? Northrop Grumman
spent over $20 million in 2008 hiring lobbyists to consult to Congress,
and Raytheon spent $6 million on lobbyists in the same period. Nancy Pelosi received more money from registered lobbyists than any other House candidate in the recent election cycle.
?The International Monetary Fund's prediction for global economic growth in 2009 is 0.5 percent?the worst since World War II.
The United Nations' International Labor Organization estimates that
some 50 million workers will lose their jobs worldwide this year. There
are an estimated 62,000 U.S. companies expected to close this year, and
while official unemployment is at 7 percent in the US, when you add
people no longer looking for jobs and part-time workers, it is closer
to 14 percent. The military-industrial-political elite are worried
about the potential of increasing global insecurity. The answer inside
the Obama Administration is to continue high defense/war spending to
insure military control of both domestic and foreign instabilities.
?The
military, industrial, congressional, and administrative elite profit
from defense spending, both financially and ideologically.? Insider
profit taking from pentagon spending is widespread in Washington.
But perhaps more important is the belief that this global military
machine is seen as necessary for the protection of US corporate
interests and the American upper classes in a increasingly destabilized
world. Given that belief, the Obama administration is unlikely to
change the established defense spending policies of the previous US
administrations.???Peter Phillips is a Professor of Sociology at Sonoma State University and Director of Project Censored a media research organization. His 2006 study on the Global Dominance Group in the US is available on line at: http://www.projectcensored.org/articles/story/the-global-dominance-group/???
Stop thinking like an American,
Start thinking about humanity!
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From Walterb306 at cs.com Fri Feb 20 12:34:07 2009
From: Walterb306 at cs.com (Walterb306 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:34:07 EST
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Book
Message-ID:
All,
FYI,
Beverley
Be a Tourist Into America's Mysterious Dark Governnment Sites
http://www.buzzflash.com/store/items/1490
Top Secret Tourism: Your Travel Guide to Germ Warfare Laboratories,
Clandestine Aircraft Bases and Other Places in the United States You're Not Supposed to
Know About (Paperback)
By Harry Helms
BuzzFlash.com's Review (excerpt)
>From the Publisher:
Here is the unseen America of government facilities and installations
protected by a wall of secrecy, deception, and misinformation. It includes huge,
isolated areas (some larger than the states of Connecticut and Rhode Island),
along with innocuous office buildings located in the middle of major cities. This
"other America" has an enormous impact on your life, but you probably have
little idea of its extent, scope, and power.
This book invites you to visit this top-secret America. Listings are by
state, and each facility/site entry gives its history, discusses the activities
carried on there, explores various rumors, and provides maps and directions to
every location.
None of the intelligence here was taken from classified sources; everything
was on the public record and obtained through visits and patient digging. Since
the 9/11 attacks, much of this information was removed from public
dissemination. To those who think that a book like this discloses vital government
secrets, author Harry Helms says: "Get real. If I can find this stuff out, the
Russians, Chinese, and various terrorist groups also found it out a long time
before I did."
Adventurous travelers and truth-seekers will want to know how to navigate
within top-secret America.
Supportive progressive goods and BuzzFlash by buying premiums at the
BuzzFlash Progressive Marketplace
>From an online reviewer:
This book is an outstanding guide to all the all-too-real top secret
government-controlled spots in the United States, from underground bases, to nuclear
testing sites, to creepy office buildings, to fortified areas built just to
ensure "continuity of government" in case of an apocalypse.
It's well-written, funny, sarcastic, and interesting. It features maps, good
driving directions, and lots and lots of very strange and interesting
information.
It is NOT, as one of this book's more asinine reviewers has suggested, a
handbook for terrorists full of privately obtained and otherwise unavailable
information. Everything within its pages is from public files or from the author's
own observations.
For New Mexico alone, my home state, I learned a ton that I had never known
before---the Air Force Base in my hometown of Albuquerque has the world's
largest wooden object in the world (?!) and more nuclear weapons than any other
place in the country, a hippie was caught living in ca ve right on the property
of Los Alamos National Labs, the residual radioactive materials at one of New
Mexico's underground nuclear tests are considered to be a dangerous collection
point for such materials by terrorists, and the UFO that Lonnie Zamora
allegedly saw in Socorro, NM a couple of decades ago could have been a moon-landing
device prototype.
This was a great book. I'm glad I bought it.
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From Walterb306 at cs.com Sat Feb 21 14:19:12 2009
From: Walterb306 at cs.com (Walterb306 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 14:19:12 EST
Subject: [CitizensTruth] ARTICLE on guns and citizenry
Message-ID:
All,
FYI,
Anyone have more info on this?
Beverley
The empire turns its guns on the citizenry
by Paul Craig Roberts, citizen journalist
In recent years, American police forces have called out SWAT teams 40,000 or
more times annually. Last year did you read in your newspaper or hear on TV
news of 110 hostage or terrorist events each day? No. What then were the SWAT
teams doing? They were serving routine warrants to people who posed no danger to
the police or to the public.
Occasionally Washington think tanks produce reports that are not special
pleading for donors. One such report is Radley Balko's "Overkill: The Rise of
Paramilitary Police Raids in America" (http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php... Cato
Institute, 2006).
This 100-page report is extremely important and should have been published as
a book. SWAT teams ("special weapons and tactics") were once rare and used
only for very dangerous situations, often involving hostages held by armed
criminals. Today SWAT teams are deployed for routine police duties. In the U.S.
today, 75-80 percent of SWAT deployments are for warrant service.
In a high percentage of the cases, the SWAT teams forcefully enter the wrong
address, resulting in death, injury, and trauma to perfectly innocent people.
Occasionally, highly keyed-up police kill one another in the confusion caused
by their stun grenades.
Mr. Balko reports that the use of paramilitary police units began in Los
Angeles in the 1960s. The militarization of local police forces got a big boost
from Attorney General Ed Meese's "war on drugs" during the Reagan
administration. A National Security Decision Directive was issued that declared drugs to be
a threat to U.S. national security. In 1988 Congress ordered the National
Guard into the domestic drug war. In 1994 the Department of Defense issued a
memorandum authorizing the transfer of military equipment and technology to state
and local police, and Congress created a program "to facilitate handing
military gear over to civilian police agencies."
Today 17,000 local police forces are equipped with such military equipment as
Blackhawk helicopters, machine guns, grenade launchers, battering rams,
explosives, chemical sprays, body armor, night vision, rappelling gear, and armored
vehicles. Some have tanks. In 1999, the New York Times reported that a
retired police chief in New Haven, Conn., told the newspaper, "I was offered tanks,
bazookas, anything I wanted." Balko reports that in 1997, for example, police
departments received 1.2 million pieces of military equipment.
With local police forces now armed beyond the standard of U.S. heavy
infantry, police forces have been retrained "to vaporize, not Mirandize," to use a
phrase from Reagan administration Defense official Lawrence Korb. This leaves the
public at the mercy of brutal actions based on bad police information from
paid informers.
SWAT team deployments received a huge boost from the Byrne Justice Assistance
Grant program, which gave states federal money for drug enforcement. Balko
explains that "the states then disbursed the money to local police departments
on the basis of each department's number of drug arrests."
With financial incentives to maximize drug arrests and with idle SWAT teams
due to a paucity of hostage or other dangerous situations, local police chiefs
threw their SWAT teams into drug enforcement. In practice, this has meant
using SWAT teams to serve warrants on drug users.
SWAT teams serve warrants by breaking into homes and apartments at night
while people are sleeping, often using stun grenades and other devices to
disorient the occupants. As much of the police's drug information comes from
professional informers known as "snitches" who tip off police for cash rewards, dropped
charges, and reduced sentences, names and addresses are often pulled out of a
hat. Balko provides details for 135 tragic cases of mistaken addresses.
SWAT teams are not held accountable for their tragic mistakes and gratuitous
brutality. Police killings got so bad in Albuquerque, N.M., for example, that
the city hired criminologist Sam Walker to conduct an investigation of police
tactics. Killings by police were "off the charts," Walker found, because the
SWAT team "had an organizational culture that led them to escalate situations
upward rather then de-escalating."
The mindset of militarized SWAT teams is geared to "taking out" or killing
the suspect thus, the many deaths from SWAT team utilization. Many innocent
people are killed in nighttime SWAT team entries, because they don't realize that
it is the police who have broken into their homes. They believe they are
confronted by dangerous criminals, and when they try to defend themselves they are
shot down by the police.
As Lawrence Stratton and I have reported, one of many corrupting influences
on the criminal justice (sic) system is the practice of paying "snitches" to
generate suspects. In 1995 the Boston Globe profiled people who lived entirely
off the fees that they were paid as police informants. Snitches create suspects
by selling a small amount of marijuana to a person whom they then report to
the police as being in possession of drugs. Balko reports that "an overwhelming
number of mistaken raids take place because police relied on information from
confidential informants." In Raleigh-Durham, North Carolina, 87 percent of
drug raids originated in tips from snitches.
Many police informers are themselves drug dealers who avoid arrest and knock
off competitors by serving as police snitches.
Surveying the deplorable situation, the National Law Journal concluded:
"Criminals have been turned into instruments of law enforcement, while law
enforcement officers have become criminal co-conspirators."
Balko believes the problem could be reduced if judges scrutinized unreliable
information before issuing warrants. If judges would actually do their jobs,
there would be fewer innocent victims of SWAT brutality. However, as long as
the war on drugs persists and as long as it produces financial rewards to police
departments, local police forces, saturated with military weapons and war
imagery, will continue to terrorize American citizens.
Paul Craig Roberts is an economist and a nationally syndicated columnist for
Creators Syndicate. He served as an Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the
Reagan Administration. He is a former editor and columnist for the Wall
Street Journal, Business Week, and Scripps Howard News Service. In 1992 he received
the Warren Brookes Award for Excellence in Journalism. In 1993 the Forbes
Media Guide ranked him as one of the top seven journalists in the United States.
Reprinted from http://www.rense.com.
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 16:00:52 EST
Subject: [CitizensTruth] ARTICLE-5 Great Progressive Moves by Obama
Message-ID:
All,
FYI.
Beverley
5 Great Progressive Moves by Obama That You Might Have Missed
By Alexander Zaitchik, AlterNet
Posted on February 20, 2009, Printed on February 21, 2009
http://www.alternet.org/story/127848/
It's been a full month since the inauguration of Barack Obama. With debates
raging over the financial system and the larger economic crisis, Obama has
quietly succeeded in pushing through some great progressive initiatives and picked
an encouraging candidate for his drug czar.
Here are five significant under-the-radar things to be grateful for in the
post-Bush era:
$10 Billion for High-Speed Rail
If one day in the next decade you find yourself rolling silently through the
cornfields of Wisconsin at over 200 mph, on your way from Chicago to
Minneapolis, you might spare a thought for Rahm Emanuel, who last week at the
president's behest,instructed Democrats to insert $9.3 billion into the stimulus bill
for the long-delayed development of high-speed rail in America.
Of all the examples of this country's outdated and crumbling infrastructure,
none have been as glaring, persistent or shameful as the neglect of rail
transport. While the Europeans and Japanese developed affordable bullet trains that
allowed easy travel between regional hubs while producing five times less
pollution as planes and cars, the United States remained stuck in the '40s -- the
1840s. The one exception is the successful (if expensive) high-speed Acela
train running on the Boston-Washington corridor.
If all goes according to plan, the Acela won't be unique for much longer.
Obama has long promised to make the development of a national high-speed rail
network a priority. And so he has. Emanuel told Politico that the last-minute
addition to the stimulus bill was the president's "signature issue," signaling a
serious and sustained commitment. On top of the $9.3 billion, the
administration will seek an additional billion each year. Secretary of Transportation Ray
LaHood has been tasked with coming up with a spending plan for the funds by
late April.
Building a 21st century rail system will still take years, and controversies
remain over how best to organize and fund the regional networks (especially in
California, where plans for high-speed rail have divided even fierce
proponents). But we are at least finally grappling with the technicalities and
specifics of the challenge, as opposed to dreaming about one day catching up with the
rest of the developed world. To update an old saying, the regional bullet
train has finally left the station.
Broadband Initiative
High-speed rail isn't the only piece of American infrastructure getting a
much-needed boost with the stimulus bill. More than $7 billion has been marked
for the expansion of broadband access. The FCC, meanwhile, has been tasked with
producing a comprehensive and long-term national broadband plan.
Most of the money will be distributed as grants through the National
Telecommunications and Information Administration, which has been given a mandate to
make the fastest broadband available to the most people as quickly as possible,
with most projects being capped at two years. While experts say that the $7
billion is not nearly enough to bring the U.S. in line with the rest of the
developed world, it is a major advance over the previous administration.
"The broadband stimulus package is a critical first step toward transforming
our digital dirt roads into 21st century superhighways," says Josh Silver,
executive director of Free Press, a media reform group. "These funds will help
boost broadband availability in the rural and underserved areas that need it the
most, providing millions of people with good jobs, better education and full
participation in our democracy."
Commission to Review Faith-Based Initiatives
It was a small change, but on Feb. 5, Obama signed an executive order renamin
g the Faith-Based and Community Initiatives entity created by President Bush.
The new title of the organization is Faith-Based and Neighborhood
Partnerships, with much bigger changes in store. Along with widening the scope of groups
receiving funds, the White House has said it will not direct federal dollars to
groups that proselytize or advocate for so-called reparative or conversion
therapy for homosexuals.
Obama has also commissioned an advisory council to review the program and
chart a new course for relations between government and local nonprofit groups.
Although the council is being led by the conservative Joshua Dubois (a friend
of pastor Rick Warren), it also includes one openly gay member, Fred Davie,
president of Public/Private Ventures, a foundation to help low-income
communities.
The most-anticipated aspect of the review is the panel's decision on whether
religious groups that discriminate on the basis of religious background or
sexuality can receive federal funding. If, as expected, Obama ends up revising
the Bush rules, evangelical groups that discriminate, like World Vision, will no
longer be eligible for funding. Even before the council issues its report,
the president has already told the director of the new office to consult the
Department of Justice on constitutional and non-discrimination law.
A Reform-Minded Drug Czar
During the transition, progressives and drug-policy reform advocates were
jolted by rumors that conservative Minnesota Republican Congressman Jim Ramstad
was Obama's choice to head the Office of National Drug Control Policy. But in
fact, Obama's recently announced choice for "drug czar," Seattle Police Chief
Gil Kerlikowske, is a relief and an opportunity. True, he's a cop, not a
public-health advocate as many reform advocates would have liked, but he's a
relatively enlightened cop. (Even if the NAACP did once call for his resignation
after his handling of an abuse case.) Kerlikowske comes from a city that has been
a pioneer on policies such as needle-exchange programs, lowering marijuana as
a law-enforcement priority and innovating overdose-prevention strategies.
A confidante of Attorney General Eric Holder, Kerlikowske has received strong
local endorsements and praise for his tolerance of local medical marijuana
laws, despite their being at variance with federal law. "Oh God bless us," a
medical-marijuana patient told the Seattle Times upon hearing of Kerlikowske's
nomination. "What a blessing -- the karma gods are smiling on the whole country,
man."
Douglas Hiatt, a Seattle attorney and medical-marijuana advocate, also
praised the choice.
"Kerlikowske is clearly familiar with drug-policy reforms and has not been a
forceful opponent," says Ethan Nadelmann, executive director of the Drug
Policy Alliance Network. "It's a potentially transformative moment."
Swift Action on Arms Control
By all accounts, Obama appears serious about meeting his campaign pledge to
drastically reduce the world's largest nuclear stockpiles and initiate a new
era of arms control.
Earlier this month, it came out that even before he was sworn in, Obama had
sent Henry Kissinger to Moscow to explore a grand bargain that would slash
Russian and U.S. nuclear arsenals to 1,000 each. The administration has signaled
that it intends to reduce spending on missile defense, reconsider missile
defense in Europe and deny funding for the development of new nuclear weapons. For
the first time in eight years, committed nonproliferation experts are being
slotted in senior positions at the State Department's relevant agencies.
"[Obama] came into office with the most comprehensive, integrated, detailed
nuclear policy of any candidate ever to assume the presidency," Joseph
Cirincione, of the Ploughshares Fund, said last week at a meeting of the American
Association for the Advancement of Science. "I have a great deal of optimism for
our chances to fundamentally change U.S. nuclear policy [and] make the world a
safer and better place."
Alexander Zaitchik is a freelance journalist.
? 2009 Independent Media Institute. All rights reserved.
View this story online at: http://www.alternet.org/story/127848/
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Subject: [CitizensTruth] Fwd: NATO Anniversary Celebrations to Draw Massive
Protests
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From: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com (Geri Perry)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 18:36:43 -0600
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Theft of Zimbabwe and the Wiemar Republic - and the
USA parallel
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A true story of financial terrorism:
Fact: Interest Rates in Zimbabwe were 800% in 2007
Fact: The Overnight Rate Charged By Zimbabwe's Reserve Bank is 10,000%
Fact: The 91 Day T-Bill is at an interest rate of 66.33%
Fact: Their Government has to hike taxes to pay the T-Bill rate at its
maturity
.
Taxes up to 79%!
Fact: Unemployment in Zimbabwe is at 85%
Question: If you're a shopkeeper and you have a loan at an interest rate
of 800% and your taxes are nearly 64% (plus a 15% "value added tax" for
a total of 79% of your income do you think that you will have to raise
your prices to stay in business?
Question: Why is this happening. Is someone manipulating their interest
rates, causing economic chaos because they want Zimbabwe's gold,
platinum and diamonds?
Consider:
The Reserve Bank of Zimbabwe is refusing to pay for gold deliveries.
Most of the gold mines have collapsed.
Investment banks are buying up the mines at pennies on the dollar.
.
This did not happen to Zimbabwe because they did not have enough gold.
This did not happen to Zimbabwe because they did not have enough natural
resources.
This did not happen to Zimbabwe because the government spent too little.
This did not happen to Zimbabwe because they had too much paper money.
This happened because they had too much debt and the unpayable interest
is destroying them.
Say, aren't the people dependent on bank loans for a medium of exchange
and don't the banks set the interest rates on their loaned money?
Question: When the banks hike the interest rates to manipulate the money
supply to the point that only 15% of the people can work, the medium of
exchange is destroyed and the banks end up with the gold, is that
financial terrorism?
Now for The Weimar Republic:
Between January and November 1923 the interest rate in Weimar Germany
jumped from 19% to 900%.
**Do you think people have to raise their prices to pay their debts when
interest rates are climbing that fast?
It wasn't that the government was "printing" too much money - it was
that the interest on the debt was crushing people and businesses.
They found it necessary to raise their prices daily, sometimes hourly,
in order to afford to pay the loans that they had.
Question: Why is it that everyone seems to know the same story about a
wheelbarrow full of money to buy a loaf of bread, but not 1 in a 10,000
knows how money is created and the effects of borrowing at interest?
More on Zimbabwe:
http://moneyaswealth.blogspot.com/2009/01/hyperinflation-zimbabwe-myth-and.html
More on the troubling similarities of the Weimar Republic to the USA:
http://www.nowandfutures.com/us_weimar.html
From r.gillam at comcast.net Sun Feb 22 12:04:59 2009
From: r.gillam at comcast.net (Ragen Gillam)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 11:04:59 -0600
Subject: [CitizensTruth] FW: State Senator Dan Patrick. "TEXAS NATIONAL
GUARD ON ALERT"
Message-ID: <20090222170447.A6A406B166@six.pairlist.net>
It's all part of the master plan, order out of chaos, etc. - R
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Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 11:18 PM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: State Senator Dan Patrick. "TEXAS NATIONAL GUARD ON ALERT"
State Senator Dan Patrick. "TEXAS NATIONAL GUARD ON ALERT"
http://tinyurl.com/d8dl3z
Posted by The Commentator in Friday, February 20th 2009
Texas State Senator, Dan Patrick, was on FoxNews this morning at 8:45am. He
said he had some "breaking news to share". Boy was it!!! The Texas State
Legislature had been trying very hard to get the Obama Administration to
respond to a critical situation on the Texas Border. The Administration had
not gotten back with Texas as of last night. So the State of Texas told
Washington D.C. basically they could go jump, and "we'll take care of
Texas!". As of last night the Texas National Guard has been put on High
Alert!!! This is the first time in history! Texas tried, desperately to get
Washington's approval. but when they could not get it, they acted on their
own. Which I say.. it's about damn time!!!
I personally applaud the guts it took to defy the Fed's and act in our best
interest! In case you are unaware of what the problems are .. Sen. Dan
Patrick spelled it out nicely!
1) 100's of PRO-DRUG CARTEL Mexicans were blocking the entrance to the
United States, yesterday and today, banging cars, shouting and holding
signs. 10 people were killed Wed. and 12 more yesterday at the border (5 of
which were children!!!)
2) They aren't sure . but they think the Drug Cartel is paying the
Demonstrators to do what they're doing.
3) This will spill over into the States! Mr. Patrick, and the other State
officials,. are convinced that road-side bombs and car bombs will make it
across the border and WILL NOT allow that to happen!!
4) Mexico is breaking out in Civil War in the western part of the border and
they expect it to spread the entire border with no end in sight.
5) The National Guard will be activated as the scenario worsens and is on
Alert now and will remain so until (and IF) Washington does something to end
the danger on the border (Yeah. like that's gonna happen!).
FoxNews has yet to put this on their website which absolutely ticks me
off!!!! I will post it IF they get the stones to do what's right!
For now. here's a link that will take you to a story on Feb. 12th that will
help explain a lot.
FOXNews.com - If Violence Escalates in Mexico, Texas Officials Plan to Be
Ready
http://tinyurl.com/bj4e3y
Let's pray it doesn't come to this.. but in reality. Texas could be in a
Civil
War (actually it would be an international incident) with Mexico very soon
if this isn't quelled. Just so you folks know.. the four Militia Groups that
are here in Texas will be put on alert this evening. This has gotten REAL,
REALLY
FAST!
God help us. as we do what is necessary.
USPatriot
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From: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com (Geri Perry)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:46:26 -0600
Subject: [CitizensTruth] German medics issue official warning to US on
health effects of digital broadcast
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http://www.scribd.com/doc/12548638/Warning-Against-Adverse-Health-Effects-From-the-Operation-of-Digital-Broadcast
From geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com Sun Feb 22 18:12:33 2009
From: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com (Geri Perry)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 17:12:33 -0600
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Presidents Working Group involved in manipulation
of the markets?
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Scroll down to CNBC clip "President's Working Group Manipulation of the
Markets" and pundits dismissal thereof as conspiracy theory :
http://www.dailynewscaster.com/category/wall-street/
THEN listen to http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ca2_1234032281, in which
Rep. Paul Kanjorski, Chairman of the United States House of
Representatives, Capital Markets Subcommittee explains how the Federal
Reserve told Congress members last Sept 15 about a "tremendous draw-down
of money market accounts in the United States, to the tune of $550
billion dollars". According to Kanjorski, this electronic transfer
occurred over the period of an hour or two, and the "Money was being
removed electronically. The treasury tried to help with $150 Billion,
but could not stem the tide. It was an electronic run on the banks. The
treasury intervened but had they not closed down the accounts they
estimated that by 2 PM that afternoon -within 3 hours - $5.5 Trillion
would have been withdrawn and collapsed and within 24 hours the world
economy."
Kanjorski goes on to say that "Somebody threw us in the middle of the
Atlantic Ocean, without a life raft and we're trying to determine what's
the closest shore and whether there's any chance in the world to swim
that far - we don't know." As monetary expert Byron Dale asks: SOMEONE?
WHO would have the economic power to deliver a coordinated economic
strike against the United States - in the same hour?" (Maybe we the
people could help the "experts" figure it out?)
As to the supposedly mythical Plunge Protection Team, read Executive
Order 12631 signed by Reagan in 1988:
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/codification/executive-order/12631.html
And this 1997 Washington Post article "The Plunge Protection Team" :
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/business/longterm/blackm/plunge.htm
AND this August 2007 article on the Plunge Protection Team which has the
infamous Stephanopoulos quote mentioned in the above CNBC clip along
with numerous charts accompanied by analysis:
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article1771.html
Is the legendary PPT just a myth, conjured up by a bunch of
conspiratorial nuts? Former president Clinton advisor, George
Stephanopoulos told ?Good Morning America? on Sept 17, 2001, ?There are
various efforts going on in public and behind the scenes by the Fed and
other government officials to guard against a free-fall in the market,
what is called the ?Plunge Protection Team.?
?The Federal Reserve, big major banks, representatives of the New York
Stock Exchange and the other exchanges have an informal agreement to
come in and start to buy stock if there appears to be a problem. They
acted more formally in 1998, during the Long term Capital Crisis, and
propped up the currency markets. And, they have plans in place if the
markets start to fall.?. . .The big question is whether US Treasury
chief Henry Paulson and Fed chief Bernanke are pursuing a more active
interventionist policy than what was originally mandated for the PPT?
The turnover of interest rate, currency and stock index derivatives rose
24% to $533 trillion in the first quarter [of 2007], and that's a big
time bomb that can blow-up at anytime. It requires constant surveillance
and ?vigilance? over the world's greatest casinos. Warren Buffett calls
derivatives ?weapons of mass destruction.?
If correct, then the PPT is ?watching the markets closely?, (Japanese
code words for intervention) and Paulson and Bernanke aim to prevent a
10% correction at all costs. There are glaring signals in the
marketplace that indicate when the PPT appears to be intervening in
stock index futures, and these signals were revealed in the August 3rd
edition of Global Money Trends, with plenty of cool charts. . .
From mincam2 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 25 00:35:11 2009
From: mincam2 at yahoo.com (Chuck Minne)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:35:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Artificial Consciousness
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Discover Magazine interviews Nobel laureate Gerald Edelman, chairman of neurobiology at the Scripps Research Institute in San Diego and the founder and director of the Neurosciences Institute,
?
How are you pursuing the creation of conscious artifacts in your work at the Neurosciences Institute?
We construct what we call brain-based devices, or BBDs, which will be increasingly useful in understanding how the brain works and modeling the brain. They may also be the beginning of the design of truly intelligent machines.
What exactly is a brain-based device?
It looks like maybe a robot, R2-D2 almost. But it isn?t a robot, because it?s not run by an artificial intelligence [AI] program of logic. It?s run by an artificial brain modeled on the vertebrate or mammalian brain. Where it differs from a real brain, aside from being simulated in a computer, is in the number of neurons. Compared with, let?s say, 30 billion neurons and a million billion connections in the human cortex alone, the most complex brain-based devices presently have less than a million neurons and maybe up to 10 million or so synapses, the space across which nerve impulses pass from one neuron to another.
What is interesting about BBDs is that they are embedded in and sample the real world. They have something that is equivalent to an eye: a camera. We give them microphones for the equivalent of ears. We have something that matches conductance for taste. These devices send inputs into the brain as if they were your tongue, your eyes, your ears. Our BBD called Darwin 7 can actually undergo conditioning. It can learn to pick up and ?taste? blocks, which have patterns that can be identified as good-tasting or bad-tasting. It will stay away from the bad-tasting blocks, which have images of blobs instead of stripes on them ?rather than pick them up and taste them. It learns to do that all on its own.
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Why is this kind of machine better than a robot controlled by traditional artificial intelligence software?
An artificial intelligence program is algorithmic: You write a series of instructions that are based on conditionals, and you anticipate what the problems might be. Artificial intelligence robot soccer players make mistakes because you can?t possibly anticipate every possible scenario on a field. Instead of writing algorithms, we have our BBDs play sample games and learn, just the way you train your dog to do tricks.
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At the invitation of the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, we incorporated a brain of the kind that we were just talking about into a Segway transporter. And we played a match of soccer against Carnegie Mellon University, which worked with an AI-based Segway. We won five games out of five. That?s because our device learned to pick up a ball and kick it back to a human colleague. It learned the colors of its teammates. It did not just execute algorithms.
?
?
When are we going to see the first conscious artifact emerge from your laboratory?
Eugene Izhikevitch [a mathematician at the Neurosciences Institute] and I have made a model with a million simulated neurons and almost half a billion synapses, all connected through neuronal anatomy equivalent to that of a cat brain. What we find, to our delight, is that it has intrinsic activity. Up until now our BBDs had activity only when they confronted the world, when they saw input signals. In between signals, they went dark. But this damn thing now fires on its own continually. The second thing is, it has beta waves and gamma waves just like the regular cortex?what you would see if you did an electroencephalogram. Third of all, it has a rest state. That is, when you don?t stimulate it, the whole population of neurons stray back and forth, as has been described by scientists in human beings who aren?t thinking of anything.? In other words, our device has some lovely properties that are necessary to the idea of a conscious artifact. It has
that property of indwelling activity. So the brain is already speaking to itself. That?s a very important concept for consciousness.
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This entire interview can be seen at:? http://discovermagazine.com/2009/feb/16-what-makes-you-uniquely-you
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From: Walterb306 at cs.com (Walterb306 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 13:05:11 EST
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Sources
Message-ID:
All,
Some interesting looking articles.
Beverley
Selected Investigative Resources - amazon.com:
By David Harsanyi
Nanny State: Hose Food Fascists, Teetotaling Do-Gooders, Priggish Moralists,
and other Boneheaded Bureaucrats are Turning America into a Nation of
Children, by David Harsanyi (Hardcover - Sep 18, 2009. New $24.95 used and new from
$5.43.
By Radley Balko
Radley Balko
>From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Radley Balko (born April 19, 1975 in Greenfield, Indiana) is an American
libertarian writer, and speaker.
Employment and publications
Balko is senior editor at Reason magazine. Previously, he was a policy
analyst for the Cato Institute, specializing in vice and civil liberties issues. He
writes on drug policy, police misconduct, obesity, alcohol and tobacco, and
civil liberties. He also writes on trade and globalization issues and more
generally on politics and culture. He is also a biweekly columnist for Fox News.
His work has been published in the Wall Street Journal, Forbes, Playboy, TIME
magazine, The Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, Slate, Reason, Worth
magazine, Canada's National Post, and the Chicago Tribune. He blogs at The
Agitator, his personal weblog, and for Reason's Hit & Run blog. He has appeared on
CNN, CNBC, Fox News, MSNBC, and National Public Radio.[1]
Balko's work on "no-knock" drug raids was profiled in The New York Times, and
cited by U.S. Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer in his dissent in the case
Hudson v. Michigan. He is also credited with breaking and reporting the Cory
Maye case. His work on the Maye case was also cited by the Mississippi Supreme
Court. He has also written extensively about the Ryan Frederick case and the
raid on Cheye Calvo's home.
Education
Balko earned a B.A. in journalism and political science in 1997 from Indiana
University.
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Articles (from www.amazon.com):
Death by SWAT: collateral raid damage: An article from: Reason by Radley
Balko (Digital - Jan 5, 2009) - HTML. Buy: $9.95. Available for Download
Curb your enthusiasm: moralists left and right want to control your carnal
desire. (Don?t Eat This Book: Fast Good and the Su[persizing of America: An
article from Reason by Radley Balko. (Digital - Feb 28, 2006 - HTML. Buy
$5.95. Available for download. download
Government goons murder puppies! The drug war goes to the dogs. (drug
raids): An article from: Reason by Radley Balko (Digital - Mar 22, 2006. Buy:
$5.95 download
CSI: Mississippi: a case study in expert testimony gone horribly wrong.
(crime scene investigation) (Case study): An article from: Reason by Radley
Balko (Digital - Jan 28, 2008 - HTML. Buy: $9.95. Available for download
The case of Cory Maye: a cop is dead, an innocent man may be on death row,
and drug warriors keep knocking down doors: An article from Reason by Radley
Balko (Digital - Mar 6, 2007) - HTML. Buy: $9.95. Available for download
now.
Don?t drink the water: the politics of rain: An article from: Reason by
Radley Balko (Digital - Oct 31, 2008) - HTML. Buy: $9.95. Available for
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The National Mall goes kitsch: America?s cluttered backyard shows just how
hard it is for Congress to say "no" (memorials): An article from: Reason by
Radley Balko (Digital - Jan wr, 2007) - HTML. Buy: $9.95. Available for
download now.
Who killed Paypal: "Consumer advocates" can make life miserable for
consumers. (The PayPal Wars: Battles With eBay, the Media, the Mafia and the Rest of?
Earth)(Book Review): An article from: Reason by Radley Balko (Digital - Feb
4, 2006) - HTML. Buy: $5.95. Available for download now.
Innocence denied: DNA testing stalled: An article from: Reason by Radley
Balko (Digital-Dec 1, 2008) - HTML. Buy: $9.95. Available for download now.
How the wolves survive: Los Lobos? Louie Perez on immigration, cultural
mixing, and his band?s new album. (Culture and Reviews) (Interview): An article
from: Reason by Radley Balko (Digital - Jul 14, 2007) HTML
Let my students drink. (Soundbite) (alcohol drinking in college
students)(Interview): An article from Reason by Radley Balko (Digital - Jan 27, 2009) -
HTML. Buy: $9.95. Available for download now.
Transparency in action. (Artifact): An article from: Reason by Radley Balko
(Digital - Jan 5, 2009) - HTML. Buy $9.95. Available for download now.
Cory Maye: off death row, but still fighting for justice. (Follow-up): An
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Getting beyond Roe: why returning abortion to the states is a good idea.
(Jane Roe) (Critical essay): An article from Reason by Radley Balko (Digital -
Jul 14, 2007) - HTML. Buy: $9.95. Available for download now.
Reason magazine:
Reason is a libertarian monthly magazine from the Reason Foundation.
Reason was founded in 1968 by Lanny Friedlander as a more-or-less monthly
mimeographed publication. In 1970 it was purchased by Robert W. Poole, Manuel S.
Klausner, and Tibor R. Machan , who set it on a more regular publishing
schedule. As the monthly print magazine of "free minds and free markets", it covers
politics, culture, and ideas with a mix of news, analysis, commentary, and
reviews.
Matt Welch has been the magazine's editor-in-chief since 2008. Other Reason
writers include Jacob Sullum, Jesse Walker, Brian Doherty, Ronald Bailey,
Radley Balko, Tim Cavanaugh, Kerry Howley, David Weigel, Katherine Mangu-Ward,
Michael C. Moynihan, Damon Root, Greg Beato, Cathy Young, Jonathan Rauch, and
cartoonist Peter Bagge. Former editors include Nick Gillespie, Marty Zupan, and
Virginia Postrel.
Erik Spiekermann, the inventor of the typeface Meta, headed a redesign of
Reason in 2001, aiming for a look that is "cleaner, more modern, making use of
the Meta typeface throughout".
In June 2004, subscribers to Reason magazine received a personalized issue
that had their name, and a satellite photo of their home or workplace on the
cover.
The magazine has a circulation of around 60,000 and has twice been named one
of the "50 best magazines" by the Chicago Tribune.[1]
In 2008, Reason's web site, reason.com, was named a Webby Award Honoree in
the magazine category.[2]
Hit and Run
>From Wikipedia
Hit & Run is Reason's group blog. It is maintained and written by the staff
of the magazine. It was started in 2002. Former Reason Editor-in-Chief Nick
Gillespie and Reason Web Editor Tim Cavanaugh, both veterans of Suck.com ,
modeled the blog in some ways after that website: they brought along several other
Suck.com writers to contribute, fostered a style in the blog matching that
former website's sarcastic attitude, and even the name "Hit & Run" was taken from
what had been a weekly news roundup column on Suck.com. The Reason editors
referred to this co-opting of the former website as the "Suck-ification of
Reason."[3]
In 2005, Hit & Run was named as one of the best political blogs by
Playboy.[4]
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From: aroyboy44 at hotmail.com (andrew ritter)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 19:29:19 +0000
Subject: [CitizensTruth] Obama's Non-Withdrawal Withdrawal Plan
Message-ID:
Orwell in Babylon
Obama's Non-Withdrawal Withdrawal Plan
By CHRIS FLOYD
It
would be superfluous in us to point out that a plan to "end" a war
which includes the continued garrisoning of up to 50,000 troops in a
hostile land is, in reality, a continuation of that war, not its
cessation. To produce such a plan and claim that it "ends" a war is the
precise equivalent of, say, relieving one's bladder on the back of
one's neighbor and telling him that the liquid is actually life-giving
rain.
But
this is exactly what we are going to get from the Obama Administration
in Iraq. Word has now come from on high ? that is, from "senior
administration officials" using "respectable newspapers" as a wholly
uncritical conduit for government spin ? that President Obama has
reached a grand compromise with his generals (or rather, the generals
and Pentagon poobahs he has inherited -- and eagerly retained -- from
George W. Bush) on a plan to withdraw some American troops from the
country that the United States destroyed in an unprovoked war of
aggression. Obama had wanted a 16-month timetable for the partial
withdrawal; his potential campaign rival in 2012, General David
Petraeus, wanted 23 months; so, with Solomonic wisdom, they have now
split the difference, and will withdraw a portion of the American
troops in 19 months instead.
But
the plan clearly envisions a substantial and essentially permanent
American military presence in Iraq, dominating the politics and policy
of this key oil nation ? which was of course one of the chief war aims
of the military aggressors in the Bush Administration all along. By
implementing his war continuation plan, Obama will complete the work of
Bush and his militarist clique. From the New York Times:
"Even
with the withdrawal order, Mr. Obama plans to leave behind a ?residual
force? of tens of thousands of troops to continue training Iraqi
security forces, hunt down foreign terrorist cells and guard American
institutions..."
And
a "senior military officer" dispatched to pipe the spin to the Los
Angeles Times added another potential role for the remaining American
troops: fighting Iraq's war for it. He was also refreshingly frank on
the plan's ultimate intentions:
"The senior officer said the troops also could help protect Iraq from outside attack, something the Iraqis cannot yet do.
"'When
President Obama said we were going to get out within 16 months, some
people heard, 'get out,' and everyone's gone. But that is not going to
happen,' the officer said."
No
indeed, that is "not going to happen." One of the most remarkable
aspects of Obama's "war lite" plan is its brazen and absolute disregard
for the agreement signed between the United States and the supposedly
sovereign Iraqi government guaranteeing the complete withdrawal of all
American troops by the end of 2011. Of course, this "agreement" was
always considered a farce by everyone ? except for the American
corporate media, which kept reporting on the "tough negotiations" as if
the pact would have any actual meaning in the real world. The agreement
contained escape clauses allowing the Iraqi government to "request" a
continued American military presence after the 2011 deadline ? and
considering that any Iraqi government in place in 2011 will be
helplessly dependent on American guns and money to maintain its power,
such a "request" has always been a dead certainty. So I suppose we
must admire the Obama Administration's candor in dropping all pretense
that U.S. forces are going to leave Iraq at any time in the foreseeable
future.
But
the hypocrisy ? the literally murderous hypocrisy ? of claiming that
this plan "leaves Iraq to its people and responsibly ends this war," as
Obama asserted in his State of the Union speech, is sickening. It does
no such thing, and he knows it.
Instead,
it entrenches the United States more and more deeply in a
"counter-insurgency" war on behalf of whichever clique or faction of
sectarian parties in Iraq is most effective in adhering to America's
dominationist agenda in the region. It sends an apparently endless
stream of American troops to die -- and, in even greater numbers, to
kill -- in a criminal action that has helped bankrupt our own country
while sending waves of violent instability and extremism around the
world. It will further enfilth a cesspool of corruption and war
profiteering that has already reached staggering, world-historical
proportions.
All
of this is what the Obama-Petraeus plan will do. But what it won't do
is "end this war" -- "responsibly" or otherwise. When Obama says it
will -- as he said last night to a rapt national audience -- he is,
quite simply, and very deliberately, lying.
Chris Floyd
is an American writer and frequent contributor to Counterpunch. His
blog, Empire Burlesque: High Crimes and Low Comedy in the American
Imperium, can be found at www.chris-floyd.com.
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From r.gillam at comcast.net Fri Feb 27 19:53:27 2009
From: r.gillam at comcast.net (Ragen Gillam)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 18:53:27 -0600
Subject: [CitizensTruth] FW: You're INVITED! Save the date, Feb. 28th, 8PM
Message-ID: <20090228005322.28BA86CA01@six.pairlist.net>
Reminder:
You're Invited:
WHAT: "The Encroaching Economic Police State" : presentation by
Geraldine Perry, author of The Two Faces of Money
WHEN: Saturday, February 28, 8PM
WHERE:
Lincoln Restaurant, $3 tuition plus $5 purchase required
4008 N. Lincoln Ave
Chicago
For directions: http://www.collegeofcomplexes.org/
DESCRIPTION: Presentation will unveil the economic, legal and military
apparatus along with the tools which are fast creating the global
Economic Police State, taking the premise of Part I of The Two Faces of
Money a step further by describing in more detail the "sovereign power
structure that surrounds the Federal Reserve." All of this has been
taking place over a many generations as a direct result of our
collective failure to require Congress to exercise its Constitutional
duty to "coin (as in create) money and regulate the value thereof". The
presentation will be about an hour followed by a period for questions
and answers, then time for rebuttals.
Geraldine Perry is the author of The Two Faces of Money. Related
websites are: http://thetwofacesofmoney.com/index.php/Main/HomePage and
http://thehealthadvantage.com/ See various pages at The Health
Advantage for relevant material on CODEX, the FTAA, NAU, etc and the
manner in which health freedoms are being usurped by the "money powers"
For additional meeting info CONTACT: Geraldine Perry, 708-460-5683 or
http://www.collegeofcomplexes.org/