[CitizensTruth] Obama as change vs. more-o-same-Empire-guy

andrew ritter aroyboy44 at hotmail.com
Tue Feb 17 14:29:10 EST 2009


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attempting to respond to several posts in this post,

As Geri alluded to, I think its important to distinguish between being negative/sending out negative vibes vs. speaking truth about something that may sound negative towards a person or group of people.

Don't shoot the messenger.

I am all about mind patterns and positive thinking etc.. but I actually think that is slightly different then pointing out a truth that is negative.

9-11 is a perfect example. Saying that 9-11 was waged by a insider-global-cabal-of-rats that includes democrats and republicans is a pretty negative thing to say about those individuals. However since it is true then my intention of saying that is not to spread negativity but to spread truth and awareness so we can all make more informed decisions in our personal and political lives. I know for some that negative truths can be depressing but for me I find it liberating.

So for me it is the same thing with Obama. I really don't want to come off sounding condescending towards people who think differently, but when you look at history and become aware of how government/money/war/etc... works then it is actually starts to become fairly obvious that the Democrats and Republicans are both part of the same bad intention: world domination, oppression, and one-world government. Simply put - it is not possible to become President of the United States today without being apart of this intention. And what I have to back that up is nothing less then all the evidence in the world. How about we consider every president we have had in the last ... 80 years... doesn't matter which party they were from - they acted in service of this goal. Does that mean that these people act with 100% malice all the time? No, of course not. They can and will do good deeds along the way for varous reasons, but I will never get on board with a government that uses war and destruction and manipulation to further this cruel and selfish intention.

If an abusive husband brings flowers home to his wife every day does that mean we ignore and forgive the abuse and talk about the flowers?

Would anyone here argue that the Democrats did not help faciliatate the 9-11 cover up? Would anyone here argue that Bush went to war in Iraq without the consent of Democrats? Does anyone believe the "war on terror" is a real and noble cause for the US to fight against? Does Obama believe it is?

I sent the Icke post because regardless of how negative his tone can sound you can not deny his detailed and accurate description of the cast of characters who have surrounded Obama in his past and currently surround him now. Start from the easy and obvious - there is Zbigniew Brzezinski. I read his book "The Grand Chessboard". He makes no secret of the imperative for America to spread its military and economic nonsense around the entire globe. Its no small coincedence that he was a professor at Columbia when Obama went to Columbia. This man has worked for Republican and Democratic Presidents and he co-founded the trilateral commission and is also a CFR, Bildeberg, NWO lover who is going to have more say on foreing policy then even the pro-war Secretary Hillary will. And this somehow doesn't seem to bother Obama supporters nor does it ever enter the "national conversation". As Icke points out "Brzezinski's son, Mark, was an 'advisor' to the Obama
campaign and, in line with the
American one-party-state, his other son, Ian, was foreign policy
advisor to the McCain campaign . His
daughter, the Obama-supporting Mika Brzezinski, reported the campaign
for MSNBC television."

Icke also points out all the bankers who helped fund Obama's campaign and he reminds us of all the dirty/corrupt Illinois politicians who now hold high office in washington.

How many politicians in Obama's supposedly diverse cabinet were against the Iraq war? Didn't he promise to surround himself with a variety of viewpoints? Why is it ok for him to reach to the right but not to the left?

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/02/06-6

I could probably find a new story every day that continues to backup who Obama is in service of:

like here's one: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29225492/

I understand those who think we need to just give Barack more time because he just took office, but for me its been clear from the start of the campaign whose interests are going to be served by his administartion. In many ways I agree that Obama himself is not even the person we need to be the most concerned with because I don't believe that the job of the President has much to do with shaping policy but rather they are the national/international spokesmodel for America Inc. So his job is to look good and to sound good and Obama gets an A+ from me in that department. The reason I expose and even talk negative about him is I think he represents a real opportunity for more Americans to wake up because if a person can realize that Obama is just more of the same then I think we could all get past the faux red/blue divide and realize that We The People have a common cause and a common goal and that the solution to achieving that goal will not be through the DEM/GOP two headed monster.

And yea - acting locally is the best action we can take. Complaining about poltics/politicians only gets us so far. I really like Kris's questions because it can seem like we spread negativity on this forum becuase our topics are often about the latest crappy awful thing that a jerk-off politician did and then we argue about who's truth is truthier ... but I always find the discussions and information very enlightneing and engaging and i find being able to speak about my own perceptions to be very cathartic.

What do I emanate on a daily basis? I would have to say compassion, love and playfulness when I am at my best and frustration and impatience when I am at my worst.

And I also would like to say that it feels great being able to have adult conversations on this forum. A lot of adults shut down and dismiss you once you have gotten into their discomfort zone but I like that I could say just about anything here and it I think most folks will at least open their mind to consider the possibilities.

love to all


Andrew

http://incaseumissedit.blogspot.com/








From: welaware at merr.com
To: janice.matthews at gmail.com
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:19:00 -0600
CC: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net
Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] Obama as change vs. more-o-same-Empire-guy

All great points, and thank you. Just keeping up with the facts is formidable, much less having an educated opinion about things... But I would also ask...in what ways can we move forward without putting so much energy into being steered by those in politics? We are surrounded by negativity, including much coming from within our ranks which feeds the collective of negativity. HOW can we withdraw our energy from that and INVEST our energy in redirecting outcomes TOWARD positive? One initial question which on the surface seems shallow, or redundant, but isn't really---where do I put my money? And where do I put my attention, my fascination, my gratitude? They are all currency. What do you fill your daily brain/mind workings with? what is the ratio? And then, what do you suppose you truly emanate to others, which is NOT what you do but what comes from or actually IS the essence of everything that makes you up, incl. every thought. Since I know little about each of you and what you fill your lives with outside of what I read, it is difficult to know to whom I am writing this...but it is relevant for each of us. For me every day. WHAT DO I EMANATE INTO THE ENERGETIC WORLD???I'D honestly like to hear more about people who are of this group list. Perhaps we each are emanating much that is positively feeding the web of LIFE but use this group to focus on a really challenging aspect of LIFE on this planet. Hal probably knows alot about each of us, but I know nearly nothing about most of you. And if you think this is poppycock to request more info about what it is you fill your lives with behind the words we all read on this list, why, I wonder, would this seem so irrelevant or pointless to you? Not so much what you DO but what you feel you emanate out into the world when you're standing still...and don't be modest. Be honest.Right now I"m looking at an extraordinary picture of Jane Goodall, having eye contact with a huge gorilla that is literally holding her in its arms, looking at her. WHAT they emanate is abundantly clear. If I looked into your eyes right now, what would I see, what would they tell me? If you put your hand on me right now, what would that contact tell me?

On Feb 16, 2009, at 8:59 AM, Janice Matthews wrote: Yeah, I'm afraid I agree here and would like to be shown what's changing for human beings under the Obama Regime. I still see him as the new, much more eloquent, convincing, and thus dangerous, face of the desperate and crumbling Empire. USA Today reports this national poll today, showing 2/3 of Americans want investigation (and nearly half of those want prosecution) : http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-02-11-investigation-poll_N.htm . I would like to see investigation/prosecution begin, rather than hearing "I prefer to be forward-looking but will let Eric Holder decide whether to prosecute." (The same Eric Holder who managed to keep OKC/Kenny Trentadue's death under wraps, and those perpetrators to go free? great...)

That does not look, at all, like change to me. Further, Jason Leopold (ConsortiumNews.com) just published an excellent piece called "Torture Report Erodes Bush's Defense." And Jonathan Turley and other Constitutional lawyers (remember, Obama is one...) are stating firmly that he must prosecute or he will be guilty of the same! The Raytheon executive in charge of the Pentagon finances when it was announced (9/10/01) they'd lost 3.2 TRILLION DOLLARS from the Pentagon budget has been appointed BY OBAMA as Deputy Defense Secretary (www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=12291 ). I could go on and on about who he's appointed, but won't. Oh, and he just sent more drones into Pakistan and killed another 60 "terrorists."

Honestly, I simply do not understand how people can see this as a string of positive events, though I'm willing to listen if there's some truth and reality I'm not seeing ... top-down convincing people that they should "sign up" to organize repairing the nation feels to me like convincing the worker-bees to produce more, to bolster the company's future, while selling the assembly-line products to powers destroying the world... "Produce more of these genetic seeds... they're good for the world." kind of thing. He may be eloquent, but my opinion is that makes him a more believable liar. Look at what he's DOING, not what he's saying.

And frankly, what's the question here... If I beat my children, and am caught (and admit it on national television), I would be arrested and tried for it. No question. If I did it to hundreds (or thousands) of people, I'd make front page headlines, endless hours on the 24-7-news channels, and fear to walk the streets, lest people beat/kill me for my heinous crimes. So really. What's the difference?! I simply do not understand people having any question about this whatsoever!! Crime -> investigation -> admission -> trial -> sentencing. Period. No matter why we feel the need to consider whether we should push for prosecution, the fact that we're having to "consider whether" to prosecute is what needs to be looked at!

Thanks for listening...
Janice

Jay Becker wrote: In what ways is the Obama administration "restoring control of the government to the people"? Not some words dug up from a speech that appeals to our prejudices but in fact, in deeds. The wars continue and are being expanded, despite the fact that millions have voted for the Democrats in two election cycles as a vote to end those wars. The bail-out? Commentators across the political spectrum agree that it is essentially the same approach that the Bush administration took, with a few revisions. Ending renditions? Last week the Obama Dept. of Justice (!) went into court and argued just what the Bush DoJ had: "Don't let lawsuits by detainees seeking redress for the crimes committed against them go forward because they will expose state secrets" - namely, the crimes against international law this government wants to continue behind the veil of state secrets!

If we go along with all this because of a few crumbs thrown our way (precious few, in fact), then we are indeed complicit with that, and much more.

"On the inauguration, crimes...and complicity"
By Bob Avakian

http://www.revcom.us/a/157/Avakian_on_Obama-en.html




Stop thinking like an American,
Start thinking about humanity!


--- On Mon, 2/16/09, Hal Snyder <hal at drxyzzy.org> wrote:
From: Hal Snyder <hal at drxyzzy.org>
Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] Icke on Obama
To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net
Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 7:15 AM

David Icke is an interesting phenomenon. He can be insightful, charismatic, absurd, and hateful. I don't think he makes a strong case against Obama.
Barack Obama and his administration clearly present a mixed picture.

However, in response to Icke's charge that he is working to control the masses, there is ample evidence that Obama wants to restore control of the government to the people. We see attempts at taking community organizing to a national level. Community organizing is the opposite of top-down mind control. It is based on encouraging people to develop their own power.
... a viable organization can only be achieved if a broadly based indigenous leadership — and not one or two charismatic leaders — can knit together the diverse interests of their local institutions - Barack Obama
References:
Documentary, DAVID ICKE: The Lizards and the Jews http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2912878405399014351
change.gov usaservice.org
Why Organize? Problems and Promise in the Inner City - by Barack Obama, 1990. http://www.edwoj.com/Alinsky/AlinskyObamaChapter1990.htm

On Feb 16, 2009, at 12:44 AM, andrew ritter wrote: I'm sure there are a variety of opinions on David Icke, but I think he has some pretty solid arguments against Obama. I have included some highlights below. Full posting is very long and sometimes wanders, but also has a lot of indisputable facts & worth a read here:

Barack Obama: The Naked Emperor http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/18281
... I worked in television for more than a decade, often reading autocue while a director spoke in my ear telling me what cameras to look at. I have, since the early 1990s, spoken my truth on public stages across the world. I know, therefore, the difference between artificial autocue delivery and body language and talking from the heart without a script. Obama, I repeat, is coming from the autocue, not the heart. _______________________________________________
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