[CitizensTruth] Without a questioning media, the questions go unanswered

[Connie Smith]

I agree with Chuck.



I don't know if I hit Reply or Reply All on this topic previously.

Please excuse if this is a repeat:



More than ever, I can't see any sensible reason to pursue this.  There are
so many urgent constitutional violations that have piled up and are actually
threatening us that I would think a person who is sincere about the
Constitution would be spending their energy on those fronts.

But instead, there's a vendetta-like search for a technicality to un-do
probably the only legitimate election process (in terms of votes counted)
that we've had in decades.  It's petty, vicious, and stupid.

If there was any evidence that Obama is some sort of foreign agent trying to
sneak into the presidency and, from there, take over the world, maybe it
would merit some attention.

But to seriously pursue to derail the inauguration of an intelligent guy
who's soaked in the values of his American midwestern-roots nurturers, who
has a history of humanitarian ideals and actions, who is highly-solution
oriented, and who is willing to literally risk his life to take on arguably
the hardest job in the world (and probably more temperamentally and
intellectually qualified than anyone we've ever had before) -- well, it's an
absolutely idiotic effort.  It's an outright sinister effort.

There ARE extremely serious -- critical -- constitutional issues to work on.
SINCERE people will do that.  But Berg and buddies have the mentality of
assassins -- and ought to be regarded and treated with the utmost scorn and
contempt.

Connie

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Chuck Minne 
  To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net ; edward_rynearson at yahoo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 12:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] Without a questioning media,the questions go unanswered


        I can't figure out why we should care at this point. With the mess that the country is in, it seems to me that the last thing we need is to be further disrupted by is this issue. Do we really want to create a political shambles at this point? I say very vehemently, "NO!"

        It is my personal belief that he was probably born in Kenya, but I don't give a shit. There are far, far worse tramplings of the Constitution that should be corrected (but won't) way before this one is even considered.

        Let it go! Forget it!




        "I have lost faith, godammit! I put my faith in the People and that was a mistake! This is a shit people! They get stolen blind by their politicians and they lick their boots. They send their kids off to die for somebody's business deal and they celebrate it like they're doing something heroic! This great and glorious people! Lazy sacks of junk food and jingo!"

        From: "The Army of the Republic"  by Stuart Archer Cohen



        --- On Thu, 1/8/09, Edward Rynearson <edward_rynearson at yahoo.com> wrote:

          From: Edward Rynearson <edward_rynearson at yahoo.com>
          Subject: [CitizensTruth] Without a questioning media, the questions go unanswered
          To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net
          Date: Thursday, January 8, 2009, 12:01 AM


http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/133734

Is Obama a natural-born citizen?
Comments 48| Recommend 14
Thomas J. Lucente Jr., The Lima (Ohio) News January 6, 2009 - 8:44PM 

LIMA, Ohio — The most underreported story of 2008 has to be the continuing
saga of a few brave souls who are working through the courts to force
President-elect Barack Obama to prove his citizenship.

In fact, a report from The Associated Press dismissed the whole thing as
nothing but Internet conspiracy theories.

This lack of coverage is just the latest example of why I have mostly lost hope
for the mainstream media in the United States.

Thanks to the lack of media coverage, many of you reading this may be unaware
of the multitude of lawsuits challenging Obama’s citizenship and his legal
right to be president.

The Framers, when putting together our Constitution, inserted Article 2,
Section 1, Clause 4, which tells us. “No Person except a natural born Citizen
… shall be eligible to the Office of President.” The same clause prevents
Austrian-born California Gov. Arnold A. Schwarzenegger from being president.

There have been at least 17 lawsuits filed in state and federal courts alleging
that Obama does not meet the Constitutional requirement of being a natural-born
citizen.

The lawsuits filed all have varying theories on Obama’s citizenship,
including that he was not born in the United States, that he became a citizen of
Indonesia when he was adopted, or that he had dual citizenship at birth, which
means he was not a natural-born citizen.

The lawsuit with which I am most familiar was filed in a federal court in
Pennsylvania by Philip Berg, a Democrat.

That lawsuit alleges that Obama was born in Mombasa, Kenya. Berg says he has a
recording of Obama’s grandmother, Sarah Obama, saying she was present when
Obama was born in Kenya.

Berg further claims that Obama himself and other members of his family have
made conflicting statements as to where he was actually born. Additionally,
Kenyan officials have said Obama was born in Kenya.

Much of the controversy surrounds Obama’s birth certificate. The state of
Hawaii has refused to release the long-form or “vault” copy of the birth
certificate. Obama has also refused to release the long-form copy.

Back in June, the campaign did release a short-form certificate, which is a
certificate created by Hawaii that says the long-form certificate is on file.
However, according to Berg, the campaign only released the short-form
certificate to The Daily Kos, a left-wing blog, and FactCheck.org, a pro-Obama
organization. Additionally, Berg has called the short-form certificate a
forgery.

Berg brought the case to the U.S. Supreme Court and was initially denied by
Justices David Souter and Anthony Kennedy before submitting his petition to
Justice Antonin Scalia.

The Supreme Court has scheduled two conferences on the case, one for Friday and
a second one for Jan. 16, four days before Obama will take office.

I do not know if Obama is a natural-born citizen. My instincts tell me that it
would have been difficult for him to hide that fact for so long. However,
citizenship law can be very murky and Obama’s reticence on the matter is
disturbing.

I know from personal experience that when dealing with duel citizenship issues,
birth certificates are usually filed in both countries. The state of Hawaii’s
statement that it has a birth certificate on file does nothing in solving the
mystery of where Obama was born. It merely tells us that his birth was recorded
in Hawaii.

The whole controversy might be nothing more than a crazy conspiracy theory.
Then again, it might be a valid argument.

The whole matter could easily be settled by the state of Hawaii releasing the
long-form certificate, something the Supreme Court can force if it accepts the
case for arguments.

There is much at stake here. This is a serious constitutional question. If we
find out later that Obama was not a natural-born citizen, then everything he did
as president, treaties, laws, executive orders, etc., would be invalid.

The candidates spent more than $1 billion and two years vying for the job.
Would it not make sense to give lawyers an afternoon arguing the issue in front
of the Supreme Court? That is the least we could do to make sure the person
taking the oath of office actually meets the requirements.

The Constitution demands nothing less.

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