[CitizensTruth] Is there anything to 2012?

[Connie Smith]

Jay writes: 
"But I don't think any of these will bring down the empire or end "life as we know it" in any good kind of way at all, any way that liberates the creativity and power of imagination that we could be applying to solve these great problems facing humanity, which I do believe is quite possible--that is, not without our conscious intervention in massive ways."

I must not have written clearly, Jay.  What you're saying here is exactly what I thought I conveyed -- what I believe 2012 and the before-and-after energies will indeed accomplish -- ESPECIALLY your words "liberates the creativity and power of imagination" to solve our problems.

I get SO MUCH e-mail from progressive people and groups which demonstrate how clearly this has very healthily begun!

Connie


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jay Becker 
  To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net ; Hal Snyder 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 7:21 AM
  Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] Is there anything to 2012?


        I agree with Kris that sticking labels on other people's understanding of complex reality is usually a means to avoid (and scare other people off from) looking at what that person or people have to say, so "flim flam" or "new age" doesn't tell me or others very much.

        Yes, there are huge forces at work in the world in this moment and we are in a time of great turnings and great possibilities, in many but not all directions, but I don't think those forces are being moved by the alignment of planets or other heavenly bodies. I think we're seeing what Ray Lotta wrote about when he used this analogy, "To use an analogy to the complex motions of large parts of the Earth’s crust and upper mantle, this is a discussion of shifting tectonic plates in the world economy: some of their longer-term movements and some of the more sudden and unexpected eruptions," at
        http://revcom.us/a/136/lotta_faultlines_pt1-en.html
        We've certainly been experiencing some of those eruptions, and I'm sure there are many and far greater to come. (And just forget the COMA--corporate media--as a tool to understand much beyond what the establishment wants us to think!)

        But I don't think any of these will bring down the empire or end "life as we know it" in any good kind of way at all, any way that liberates the creativity and power of imagination that we could be applying to solve these great problems facing humanity, which I do believe is quite possible--that is, not without our conscious intervention in massive ways. No, as long as the forces of the status qua have their hands on the levers of power, and they are perceived as having the only 'legitimate use of armed force,' they will bludgeon their way through whatever crises they face. We're seeing that right now! 

        The good news is, I also think that all this suffering is totally unnecessary and a better way is possible, if we seize state power from their greedy, blood-soaked hands and put the huge resources, incredible technological and scientific advances already available (but so stultified and corrupted by their necessary enslavement to capital today) to work in the interests of humanity. If you want to get just a glimpse of that, check out just the first few pages of this: http://revcom.us/Constitution/constitution.html. It's profound, profoundly true, and poetic: All of this is unnecessary, it's on us, and we can do it. And keep going in your explorations, we really do have a world to win!

        Jay

        --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Hal Snyder <hal at drxyzzy.org> wrote:

          From: Hal Snyder <hal at drxyzzy.org>
          Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] Is there anything to 2012?
          To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net
          Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 5:39 PM


          Thank you, Chuck, Ragen, Robin, Dan, and Kris.


          I sent the 2012 inquiry to a contact off-list and as a result will be facilitating a discussion of 2012 later this week. So, feel free to keep the sources coming. If I have time to put together a presentation I'll post it online and people can tear it apart make constructive suggestions. :-)


          Hal
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