From futurenotwritten at yahoo.com Mon Nov 2 13:45:08 2009 From: futurenotwritten at yahoo.com (Jay Becker) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:45:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [CitizensTruth] Videographer arrested documenting Sunsara Taylor talk - call now 2 drop charges! Message-ID: <965237.57683.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Please forward widely too! ?NEWS FLASH ? On Sunday, November 1st, plainclothes and uniformed police who had been called in earlier by officials of the Ethical Humanist Society of Chicago (EHSC) dragged out, maced and arrested? a man for videotaping Sunsara Taylor as she stood near her seat and made a statement before the start of that morning's program about the shameful cancellation of her long planned talk to EHSC that day on the topic "Morality without Gods." ? The shocking incident took place at the insistence of the president of EHSC. About 40 people witnessed the videographer being brutalized by the police in the foyer of the facility.? An attorney demanded that the police stop brutalizing him when five officers piled on him as he lay face down on the floor.? 6 police cars arrived within minutes. ? The day before, during a workshop on the same premises which the president and other board members of the EHS were at, Sunsara explained very clearly that she would be attending the opening of the EHS's Sunday gathering and giving the EHS the opportunity to do the right thing and allow her talk to go forward, up until the last minute.? If the EHS still refused to let her give her talk, she explained that she would leave and give her talk in "exile" at the nearby home of one of the EHS members.? [This statement can be viewed on YouTube here.] ? In her brief statement at the EHS on Sunday morning, Sunsara Taylor challenged the very wrong decision to cancel her speaking engagement and pointed out how this is contributing to a chilling atmosphere in society as a whole and has happened all too frequently to people who challenge the dominant narrative (like Ward Churchill, Noman Finkelstein and the director of Milk who was recently "disinvited" from Hope College, etc.).? Taylor stated that while the group had the "bureaucratic right" to disinvite her, it didn't make it any more "right" than the voters in California passing Prop 8.? She also invited those who wanted to hear her speak to come to her "talk in exile" at the home of a member of the EHSC. ? At no point during her brief statement was Sunsara asked to stop speaking or to leave the premises.? And at no point was anyone who was there to support her, including the videographer, asked to leave.? It is telling that the only person singled out by the police, at the request of the president of the Society, was the man documenting what Sunsara was saying. ? The videographer was simply trying to document and guard the truth of what Sunsara was saying in her brief statement.? Sunsara's words had been grossly distorted and taken out of context by some members of the EHSC who were the driving forces behind canceling her speech. ? What kind of ethics and morals is the EHSC upholding and modeling through the great lengths it has gone to in suppressing Sunsara Taylor's talk on Morality without Gods?? A number of their own members expressed disagreement with the cancellation and a number of prominent people from around the country wrote statements in support of Sunsara's speaking and called on EHSC to rectify its wrong-headed decision.? Instead, the board fortified and increasingly defended its decision and created an atmosphere of anti-communist hysteria, fear and rumor-mongering that had no relationship to reality. ? The EHS had no legitimate basis to feel the police needed to be there in the first place, except for the rumors and hysteria that they themselves had created.? Then, by choosing to set the police upon the person filming they went after the one person who was documenting the truth of Sunsara's words and the fact that Sunsara and others there to support her were acting in no way to disrupt the replacement talk the EHS had planned. ? What kind of Ethical Humanist group would create a situation that led directly to the brutal arrest of someone simply for filming Sunsara giving a statement at that point with simply a cell phone?? In their zeal to suppress Taylor they went repeatedly against the stated purpose of the Ethical Humanist Society of Chicago which includes "the supreme aim of human life is working to create a more humane society...Our commitment is to the worth and dignity of the individual and to treating each human being so as to bring out the best in her or him." ? This attack was in stark contrast to the day before at the EHSC where Sunsara led a well-attended and lively discussion with much audience participation on Women's Liberation and the Emancipation of Humanity.? This whole program was videotaped by the same volunteer videographer. ? To call upon the EHSC to drop charges against the videographer and to continue to express your disagreement with their decision to dis-invite Sunsara Taylor, contact: office at ethicalhuman.org and call 847-677-3334. ? (For the background to this dis-invitation and statements of support for Sunsara, check her blog at http://sunsara.blogspot.com/). To find out how to make contributions to the legal defense, contact: sunsaratour at yahoo.com. REVOLUTION BOOKS 1103 N. Ashland Ave., Chicago, IL 60622 773.489.0930? revbookschi at pobox.com Go to?Chicago Revolution Books blog?for upcoming events. HOURS Tue-Sat: Noon-7pm?? Sun: Noon-5pm Stop thinking like an American, Start thinking about humanity! Read Revolution at www.revcom.us -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dimension04 at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 2 22:02:30 2009 From: dimension04 at sbcglobal.net (Connie Smith) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:02:30 -0600 Subject: [CitizensTruth] 9/11, original music, philosophy, etc. Message-ID: Would like to share: Pertaining to the 9/11 community, I wrote a song after the Oklahoma City bombing that (unfortunately) became equally passionately relevant after 9/11. It's based on my philosophy of a Bigger Picture and is meant to be a message of comfort. Further, a poem I wrote after listening to some white supremacists on TV made me contemplate "what if" reincarnation is true, and those guys all came back as black folks. I recently turned the poem into kind of a satire that I call Reincarnation Rap. These are available to listen to now on a website of recordings that we were pretty much in the middle of when my husband crashed with brain surgery in 1997. Recordings dug up now and never re-done as planned -- but good enough to lift a heart or two, here and there! In that spirit, I recommend to you -- first, the song Someday that appears at the #2 link on the webpage, and then the "NEW" link before it, which plays Reincarnation Rap. http://hcsvx.hcsi.com/cornucopia/ Ever in solidarity, Connie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aroyboy44 at hotmail.com Tue Nov 3 12:19:01 2009 From: aroyboy44 at hotmail.com (andrew ritter) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 17:19:01 +0000 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Videographer arrested documenting Sunsara Taylor talk - call now 2 drop charges! In-Reply-To: <965237.57683.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <965237.57683.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: FYI - Assuming she does not get thrown in jail for no reason, Sunsara will be speaking/debating this Sunday at the Best Church of God @ 1:00pm at the Lakeshore Theatre at Belmont & Broadway http://bestchurchofgod.org/.god/ A Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:45:08 -0800 From: futurenotwritten at yahoo.com To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net Subject: [CitizensTruth] Videographer arrested documenting Sunsara Taylor talk - call now 2 drop charges! Please forward widely too! NEWS FLASH On Sunday, November 1st, plainclothes and uniformed police who had been called in earlier by officials of the Ethical Humanist Society of Chicago (EHSC) dragged out, maced and arrested a man for videotaping Sunsara Taylor as she stood near her seat and made a statement before the start of that morning's program about the shameful cancellation of her long planned talk to EHSC that day on the topic "Morality without Gods." The shocking incident took place at the insistence of the president of EHSC. About 40 people witnessed the videographer being brutalized by the police in the foyer of the facility. An attorney demanded that the police stop brutalizing him when five officers piled on him as he lay face down on the floor. 6 police cars arrived within minutes. The day before, during a workshop on the same premises which the president and other board members of the EHS were at, Sunsara explained very clearly that she would be attending the opening of the EHS's Sunday gathering and giving the EHS the opportunity to do the right thing and allow her talk to go forward, up until the last minute. If the EHS still refused to let her give her talk, she explained that she would leave and give her talk in "exile" at the nearby home of one of the EHS members. [This statement can be viewed on YouTube here.] In her brief statement at the EHS on Sunday morning, Sunsara Taylor challenged the very wrong decision to cancel her speaking engagement and pointed out how this is contributing to a chilling atmosphere in society as a whole and has happened all too frequently to people who challenge the dominant narrative (like Ward Churchill, Noman Finkelstein and the director of Milk who was recently "disinvited" from Hope College, etc.). Taylor stated that while the group had the "bureaucratic right" to disinvite her, it didn't make it any more "right" than the voters in California passing Prop 8. She also invited those who wanted to hear her speak to come to her "talk in exile" at the home of a member of the EHSC. At no point during her brief statement was Sunsara asked to stop speaking or to leave the premises. And at no point was anyone who was there to support her, including the videographer, asked to leave. It is telling that the only person singled out by the police, at the request of the president of the Society, was the man documenting what Sunsara was saying. The videographer was simply trying to document and guard the truth of what Sunsara was saying in her brief statement. Sunsara's words had been grossly distorted and taken out of context by some members of the EHSC who were the driving forces behind canceling her speech. What kind of ethics and morals is the EHSC upholding and modeling through the great lengths it has gone to in suppressing Sunsara Taylor's talk on Morality without Gods? A number of their own members expressed disagreement with the cancellation and a number of prominent people from around the country wrote statements in support of Sunsara's speaking and called on EHSC to rectify its wrong-headed decision. Instead, the board fortified and increasingly defended its decision and created an atmosphere of anti-communist hysteria, fear and rumor-mongering that had no relationship to reality. The EHS had no legitimate basis to feel the police needed to be there in the first place, except for the rumors and hysteria that they themselves had created. Then, by choosing to set the police upon the person filming they went after the one person who was documenting the truth of Sunsara's words and the fact that Sunsara and others there to support her were acting in no way to disrupt the replacement talk the EHS had planned. What kind of Ethical Humanist group would create a situation that led directly to the brutal arrest of someone simply for filming Sunsara giving a statement at that point with simply a cell phone? In their zeal to suppress Taylor they went repeatedly against the stated purpose of the Ethical Humanist Society of Chicago which includes "the supreme aim of human life is working to create a more humane society...Our commitment is to the worth and dignity of the individual and to treating each human being so as to bring out the best in her or him." This attack was in stark contrast to the day before at the EHSC where Sunsara led a well-attended and lively discussion with much audience participation on Women's Liberation and the Emancipation of Humanity. This whole program was videotaped by the same volunteer videographer. To call upon the EHSC to drop charges against the videographer and to continue to express your disagreement with their decision to dis-invite Sunsara Taylor, contact: office at ethicalhuman.org and call 847-677-3334. (For the background to this dis-invitation and statements of support for Sunsara, check her blog at http://sunsara.blogspot.com/). To find out how to make contributions to the legal defense, contact: sunsaratour at yahoo.com. REVOLUTION BOOKS 1103 N. Ashland Ave., Chicago, IL 60622 773.489.0930 revbookschi at pobox.com Go to Chicago Revolution Books blog for upcoming events. HOURS Tue-Sat: Noon-7pm Sun: Noon-5pm Stop thinking like an American, Start thinking about humanity! 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URL: From futurenotwritten at yahoo.com Thu Nov 5 13:31:19 2009 From: futurenotwritten at yahoo.com (Jay Becker) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:31:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [CitizensTruth] Best Church of God debates Sunsara Taylor Sunday Message-ID: <672953.60519.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In This IssueComing this week to the BCOG Thieves of Christian Thunder Godnet Quote o' the Week Welcome, friends in Christ, to The Bi-Weekly Word, November 5th, 2009! If you have any comments, questions, or faith-based announcements, shoot us an email (or a prayer request) at savior at bestchurchofgod.org COMING THIS WEEK TO THE BCOG Join us this Sunday, November 8th for our Final Service*! It's your last chance to be saved before we go into Rapture Hiding... This week: Real-life famed atheist Sunsara Taylor challenges the BCOG to a debate! The tragic tale of Gus the Gay Why Jesus hearts violence Peter Pan miraculously transubstantiates So much more... Click here to learn more. *(If for some reason the Rapture doesn't come, then we'll return to the Lakeshore Theater to do some Holiday Services on December 20th and 27th at 1pm.) -top- THIEVES OF CHRISTIAN THUNDER In addition to attending the Best Church of God this Sunday, atheist hellion Sunsara Taylor was also scheduled to speak at the Ethical Humanist Society of Chicago (EHSC) during her sinful stint here this week. The EHSC had recently banned Sunsara's talk on the topic "Morality Without Gods", which marked their first attempt to steal our Christian thunder. Punishing people for their beliefs is our job, you dirty humanists! To make matters worse, they tried infringing on our territory again on the day of the cancelled speech. During Sunsara's last ditch attempt to give her sinful whine for a no-God-world, a volunteer camera man was dragged out, maced, and arrested. The EHSC has chosen to keep the whole violent matter quiet, and we condemn them for that. Damn you again, you ethical elitists! When we beat people up, we make an example of it so nobody tries that funny business again. That's why the death penalty works. So to the losers at EHSC, next time you try to steal somebody's thunder, do it right. But hopefully, there won't be a next time. (Or at least, we won't hear anything about it...) -top- TWEET FOR JESUS Get alerted to when the Rapture comes FAST! By following us on Twitter. You'll be glad to find how Tweet it is to be loved by God. -top- ??????QUOTE O' THE WEEK "Not that we are competent in ourselves to claim anything for ourselves, but our competence comes from God." ~2 Corinthians 3:4 Next time your boss tells you that you aren't competent, just tell them to stop insulting God and to get back to work. You are the Best*. (And we would know. God told us so.) -top- Stop thinking like an American, Start thinking about humanity! 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Hood details Message-ID: Here is a video that came out right after the shooting where the governor of Texas, who admits to being uncertain and unable to comment on most of the details, says with certainty that there are 3 shooters. 1 is dead and 2 are in custody The 3 shooters discussion has now disappeared from the MSM. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IL61yoWnk4 Just a hunch but it sounds to me like Obama will need to keep widening the wars abroad and tightening security/limiting freedoms at home in order to properly deal with this incident. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mjkirk12 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 11 15:34:12 2009 From: mjkirk12 at yahoo.com (Mike Kirk) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:34:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [CitizensTruth] (Nuclear) swords into plowshares Message-ID: <87436.1432.qm@web83806.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> The US is using salvaged bomb material (Russian and US) to fuel power plants. It may encourage further nuclear disarmament - as a cheaper energy source. http://nucpros.com/index.php?q=node/7401 (excerpt): "Salvaged bomb material now generates about 10 percent of electricity in the United States - by comparison, hydropower generates about 6 percent and solar, biomass, wind and geothermal together account for 3 percent. "Utilities have been loath to publicize the Russian bomb supply line for fear of spooking consumers:the fuel from missiles that may have once been aimed at your home may now be lighting it. "But at times, recycled Soviet bomb cores have made up the majority of the American market for low-enriched uranium fuel. 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Friday, Nov. 13 in Oak Park, presentation on H1N1. -------- Original Message -------- Local contacts: 708-848-0116 847-428-7962 SWINE FLU & VACCINE SAFETY Sponsored by: Illinois Vaccine Awareness Coalition Presented by: Maureen Drummond, Founding and Directing Member of the New Jersey Coalition for Vaccination Choice; Former Oak Park Resident; Former co-director of the Illinois Vaccine Awareness Coalition. Please join us for this educational forum on H1N1 influenza and vaccine safety. This presentation will call into question the safety of H1N1 vaccines and the limited scientific data to support mass administration. We will examine flu statistics and reveal what our top health officials know about the dangers and limitations of this mass vaccination program. The presentation will also bring to light, the swine flu debacle of 1976 and the probability of history repeating itself. FRIDAY: November 13, 2009 MEET AND GREET: 3:30 ? 4:00 p.m. PRESENTATION w/ Q & A: 4:00 ? 6:00 p.m. LOCATION: Oak Park Public Library Veteran's Room, 834 Lake Street, Oak Park Maureen Drummond is a long-time activist for vaccination choice. She considers the full disclosure of vaccine ingredients and side effects to be a critical to informed consent. She has provided free educational lectures and materials to thousands of people for nearly two decades. Maureen now resides in New Jersey as co-director of the New Jersey Coalition for Vaccination Choice, a statewide grassroots organization promoting education, community outreach and support on vaccination choice issues. As one of our country's leading vaccine safety advocates, Drummond opposes additional state-mandate vaccines. From futurenotwritten at yahoo.com Mon Nov 16 10:56:51 2009 From: futurenotwritten at yahoo.com (Jay Becker) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 07:56:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [CitizensTruth] Drop charges on the videographer, Nov 18, Skokie Message-ID: <295328.36726.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Everyone who's heard Sunsara speak and appreciates her contributions, everyone who values discussion of differences over suppression and calling in the law, your support is needed in the courtroom Wed, 1:30 pm. You can get there on public too - from Chicago, take the Skokie Swift to its end station and from there, the CTA bus 54A (Skokie Courthouse).? Schedules and routes at transitchicago. com We received the following announcement from Sunsara Taylor's Chicago tour coordinator (sunsaratour@ yahoo.com). The Ethical Humanist Society of Chicago has acted unethically and now a man is facing criminal charges stemming directly from their attempts to cover up and justify their actions. Come to Skokie on Wednesday, Nov 18, at 1:30 pm to demand criminal charges be dropped against the videographer arrested while recording Sunsara Taylor's statement on Nov 1 at the Ethical Humanist Society of Chicago. ? When: Wednesday, November 18, 1:30 pm Where: Skokie Courthouse, Room 104 ?????????????? 5600 Old Orchard Road, Skokie, IL ? The "Ethical" "Humanist" Society of Chicago (EHSC) is shamefully pressing charges against the videographer who was arrested and brutalized while documenting Sunsara Taylor's statement to the EHSC on November 1, before the start of their scheduled program. (Read news flash here.) ? Sunsara Taylor had gone to EHSC to make a statement explaining why it was wrong for them to have disinvited her from her long-scheduled talk on "Morality Without Gods" because some disagreed with her analysis and perspective, and the broader chill in society to which this act contributed when a group such as this suppressed rather than debated controversial opinions. She planned to leave EHSC to give her talk "in exile" at the nearby home of an EHSC member and invite all who wanted to hear it to join her. (See http://sunsara. blogspot. com/2009/ 11/sunsara- taylor-on- ethical-humanist .html.) She had announced her intention to do this the day before at a well-attended workshop she gave at EHSC on "The Liberation of Women and the Emancipation of Humanity." (See her statement here). This same videographer had taped that workshop, without incident and working with members of the Society to do so. ? In a move that defies any logic other than the continued cover-up and unethical suppression of Sunsara's views, EHSC had the police arrest the videographer, whose only action was recording her words in a "Michael Moore moment." If EHSC felt Sunsara was causing some harm through her 2-minute statement before the start of their program, why did they not ask her to stop? Why did they instead arrest the videographer? ? That the EHSC is willing to trample on the future, health and freedom of a man simply to justify and cover-up their dis-invitation of Sunsara Taylor is itself even more profoundly immoral and unethical -- and it must be stopped. ? As Sunsara put it in her statement, "Today, progressive and radical thinkers across the country are routinely dis-invited, their speech is routinely suppressed, they are pressured to self-censor, they are fired or denied tenure, and the discourse of this society is routinely kept within 'safe' limits that do not challenge a bloody status quo. To go along with this, and contribute to this, is to do great harm. Indeed, the ideas that are allowed to circulate in society and the ideas that are suppressed, have everything to do with whether the crimes of this world will be allowed to continue or whether these will be called out, resisted and stopped. I ask that each of you reading this now add your voice against this act of suppression. ... Write and call the EHSC and Skokie police department to demand that charges be dropped against my videographer. " ? Come to the Skokie courthouse Wed. Nov. 18 to show your support and demand all charges against the videographer be dropped. Write to EHSC at office at ethicalhuman .org to demand they drop the charges.Please contribute whatever you can to the costs of his legal defense by sending a check, earmarked "videographer defense," to Frankel and Cohen, 77 W. Washington, Suite 1720, Chicago, IL 60602. ? For more information see "Sunsara Taylor on the 'Ethical' Humanist Society of Chicago, or...Why I was Dis-Invited, Why I Did Not Just Shut Up And Go Away, and Why It Still Matters" and eyewitness statements at sunsara.blogspot. com. REVOLUTION BOOKS 1103 N. Ashland Ave., Chicago, IL 60622 773.489.0930? revbookschi@ pobox.com Go to?Chicago Revolution Books blog?for upcoming events. NEW FALL HOURS Wed-Sat: Noon-7pm?? 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URL: From aroyboy44 at hotmail.com Wed Nov 25 12:06:39 2009 From: aroyboy44 at hotmail.com (andrew ritter) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:06:39 +0000 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Some IPCC scientists have been cooking the data on Global Warming Message-ID: Hacked E-Mail Is New Fodder for Climate Dispute http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html Climate sceptics claim leaked emails are evidence of collusion among scientists Hundreds of emails and documents exchanged between world's leading climate scientists stolen by hackers and leaked online http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/nov/20/climate-sceptics-hackers-leaked-emails happy turkey day to all! _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen:112009v2 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rmigalla at earthlink.net Wed Nov 25 15:45:45 2009 From: rmigalla at earthlink.net (Robin Migalla) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:45:45 -0600 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Some IPCC scientists have been cooking the data on Global Warming In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B0D9779.1070205@earthlink.net> Hi Andrew, Happy Thanksgiving to All. Yes, this is more evidence that scientist will skew data for their own purposes. This is not new behavior, and we can speculate all day long as to why someone might do that. Typically, it is rooted in fear over the loss of their jobs or their credibility. It is my understanding that there is plenty of evidence that all of the planets in our solar system are heating up. Perhaps something else is going on that we know not of. On the other side... as a lifelong environmentalist, I am not at all unhappy that the "climate crisis" has awoken not more than a few folks to the necessity of caring for the planet on which our very survival depends. Either way, in my view it has been a positive movement. Cheers, Robin Ever the Pollyanna andrew ritter wrote: > > > Hacked E-Mail Is New Fodder for Climate Dispute > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html > > > > > Climate sceptics claim leaked emails are evidence of collusion among > scientists > > Hundreds of emails and documents exchanged between world's leading > climate scientists stolen by hackers and leaked online > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/nov/20/climate-sceptics-hackers-leaked-emails > > > > > > happy turkey day to all! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > CitizensTruth mailing list > CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > website: http://citizenstruth.info > From welaware at merr.com Wed Nov 25 23:11:31 2009 From: welaware at merr.com (Kris Knight) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:11:31 -0600 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Some IPCC scientists have been cooking the data on Global Warming In-Reply-To: <4B0D9779.1070205@earthlink.net> References: <4B0D9779.1070205@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5A7554C3-0AD8-4FF8-9C64-84CEB49CDA6C@merr.com> For those studying DAvid Wilcock info for several years now, first clue there was some funny business going on may well have been when we first read Gore's book AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH. REally, title would have been more accurate if it had been AN INCOMPLETE TRUTH. I highly recommend getting on board with DAvid Wilcock's materials, both on his website divinecosmos.com and projectcamelot.something or other where there is a great interview of him, as well as a host of other fascinating interviews... Life as we have known it is dying, but that certainly doesn't mean life is ending in the universe/galaxy. Let's try to see beyond our very anthropomorphic noses and realize that extinction of humans as we now exist is likely, but that new phases of life are likely coming along... My study of and work in the field of death and dying many years ago is now holding me in good stead; and tomorrow, Thanksgiving, heralds one of the most important qualities in life---profound gratitude. Thank you Hal for making this group outreach possible over these years...and may all that you wish for this day take root, multiply and bear grand and glorious fruit. On Nov 25, 2009, at 2:45 PM, Robin Migalla wrote: > Hi Andrew, > > Happy Thanksgiving to All. > > Yes, this is more evidence that scientist will skew data for their > own purposes. This is not new behavior, and we can speculate all > day long as to why someone might do that. Typically, it is rooted > in fear over the loss of their jobs or their credibility. It is my > understanding that there is plenty of evidence that all of the > planets in our solar system are heating up. Perhaps something else > is going on that we know not of. On the other side... as a lifelong > environmentalist, I am not at all unhappy that the "climate crisis" > has awoken not more than a few folks to the necessity of caring for > the planet on which our very survival depends. Either way, in my > view it has been a positive movement. > > Cheers, > Robin > Ever the Pollyanna > > andrew ritter wrote: >> >> >> Hacked E-Mail Is New Fodder for Climate Dispute >> >> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html > > >> >> >> >> Climate sceptics claim leaked emails are evidence of collusion among >> scientists >> >> Hundreds of emails and documents exchanged between world's leading >> climate scientists stolen by hackers and leaked online >> >> >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/nov/20/climate-sceptics-hackers-leaked-emails >> > > >> >> >> >> >> happy turkey day to all! >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more. > > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CitizensTruth mailing list >> CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth >> website: http://citizenstruth.info >> > _______________________________________________ > CitizensTruth mailing list > CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > website: http://citizenstruth.info Kris Knight of WellAware Life Enhancement Center Phone: 1-608-ALL-LIFE welaware at merr.com From mincam2 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 25 23:48:44 2009 From: mincam2 at yahoo.com (Chuck Minne) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:48:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [CitizensTruth] Some IPCC scientists have been cooking the data on Global Warming In-Reply-To: <5A7554C3-0AD8-4FF8-9C64-84CEB49CDA6C@merr.com> Message-ID: <630436.13194.qm@web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If my nose was inanimate, this Thanksgiving would be spent by me being thankful for its anthropomorphical qualities. ? Regarding climate change, all we need to know is that the ice is melting and we can't replace it. Knowing whom or what should be blamed, just for the sake of finger-pointing, is stupid. We need to look forward and deal with it. Which we won't. Instead we will waste time arguing about where to point the finger. And then drown, starve, roast, or all of the above. Unless, of course, the UFO guys save us - which they might. Maybe for food (or experimentation.) ? Check out:? http://www.subversiveelement.com/Dulce.html ? ? ? ? In House, Many Spoke With One Voice: Lobbyists? By ROBERT PEAR ? WASHINGTON ? In the official record of the historic House debate on overhauling health care, the speeches of many lawmakers echo with similarities. Often, that was no accident. ? Statements by more than a dozen lawmakers were ghostwritten, in whole or in part, by Washington lobbyists working for Genentech, one of the world?s largest biotechnology companies. ? E-mail messages obtained by The New York Times show that the lobbyists drafted one statement for Democrats and another for Republicans. ? The lobbyists, employed by Genentech and by two Washington law firms, were remarkably successful in getting the statements printed in the Congressional Record under the names of different members of Congress. ? Genentech, a subsidiary of the Swiss drug giant Roche, estimates that 42 House members picked up some of its talking points ? 22 Republicans and 20 Democrats, an unusual bipartisan coup for lobbyists. ? In recent years, Genentech?s political action committee and lobbyists for Roche and Genentech have made campaign contributions to many House members, including some who filed statements in the Congressional Record. And company employees have been among the hosts at fund-raisers for some of those lawmakers. But Evan L. Morris, head of Genentech?s Washington office, said, ?There was no connection between the contributions and the statements.? --- On Wed, 11/25/09, Kris Knight wrote: From: Kris Knight Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] Some IPCC scientists have been cooking the data on Global Warming To: "Robin Migalla" Cc: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 10:11 PM For those studying DAvid Wilcock info for several years now, first clue there was some funny business going on may well have been when we first read Gore's book AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH.? REally, title would have been more accurate if it had been AN INCOMPLETE TRUTH. I highly recommend getting on board with DAvid Wilcock's materials, both on his website divinecosmos.com and projectcamelot.something or other where there is a great interview of him, as well as a host of other fascinating interviews... Life as we have known it is dying, but that certainly doesn't mean life is ending in the universe/galaxy.? Let's try to see beyond our very anthropomorphic noses and realize that extinction of humans as we now exist is likely, but that new phases of life are likely coming along... My study of and work in the field of death and dying many years ago is now holding me in good stead; and tomorrow, Thanksgiving, heralds one of the most important qualities in life---profound gratitude. Thank you Hal for making this group outreach possible over these years...and may all that you wish for this day take root, multiply and bear grand and glorious fruit. On Nov 25, 2009, at 2:45 PM, Robin Migalla wrote: > Hi Andrew, > > Happy Thanksgiving to All. > > Yes, this is more evidence that scientist will skew data for their own purposes.? This is not new behavior, and we can speculate all day long as to why someone might do that.? Typically, it is rooted in fear over the loss of their jobs or their credibility.? It is my understanding that there is plenty of evidence that all of the planets in our solar system are heating up.? Perhaps something else is going on that we know not of.? On the other side... as a lifelong environmentalist, I am not at all unhappy that the "climate crisis" has awoken not more than a few folks to the necessity of caring for the planet on which our very survival depends.? Either way, in my view it has been a positive movement. > > Cheers, > Robin > Ever the Pollyanna > > andrew ritter wrote: >> >> >>? Hacked E-Mail Is New Fodder for Climate Dispute >> >> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html >> >> >> >>? Climate sceptics claim leaked emails are evidence of collusion among >>? scientists >> >> Hundreds of emails and documents exchanged between world's leading climate scientists stolen by hackers and leaked online >> >> >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/nov/20/climate-sceptics-hackers-leaked-emails >> >> >> >> >> happy turkey day to all! >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Windows 7: It works the way you want. 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Watch the video by clicking here or in the embedded player. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEggt0ldQUI&feature=player_embedded From: aroyboy44 at hotmail.com To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:06:39 +0000 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Some IPCC scientists have been cooking the data on Global Warming Hacked E-Mail Is New Fodder for Climate Dispute http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html Climate sceptics claim leaked emails are evidence of collusion among scientists Hundreds of emails and documents exchanged between world's leading climate scientists stolen by hackers and leaked online http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/nov/20/climate-sceptics-hackers-leaked-emails happy turkey day to all! Windows 7: It works the way you want. 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Lucky for us that giant corporations, together with big government, always manage to gallop to our rescue in the nick of time with all manner of solutions - all of which must be paid for by you and I. Perhaps coincidentally, but certainly conveniently for the few is that all solutions seem to make those few boatloads of money, as in the case of the "cap and trade" system - developed by none other than Ken Lay's Enron of all things. At the same time the great unwashed masses are forced to accept oddly onerous control mechanisms, including being forced to use CFL light bulbs which not only contain mercury but have been linked to a variety of deleterious health effects for users. The dedicated truth seeker might want to check out a position paper by the popular and well known meteorologist John Coleman, offering as it does an alternative, and nicely presented, perspective on "global warming". Read it - the WHOLE thing - if you dare: http://media.kusi.clickability.com/documents/Comments+on+Global+Warming1.pdf In addition, our good friend Kevin Barrett recently pointed me to a new book tittled Weather Warfare by author and investigative journalist Jerry E. Smith. Smith presents "solid evidence from military and scientific sources that intentional environmental modification (EnMod) is the 600-pound gorilla at the global warming debate that everyone is pretending isn't there." As with Coleman above, Smith's book is supported with good documentation and it is going on my Christmas list. One thing seems apparent: all proffered "solutions" to "global warming" are highly suspect, diversionary in nature and almost assuredly bogus. The brouhaha over global warming may be working for someone, but it sure ain't us. geri p Richard Fobes wrote: > A Message to the Environmental Movement: Your Movement Has Been > Hijacked > > > > > > > > *James Corbett > * > The Corbett Report > November 25, 2009 > The Corbett Report has released a new > video message to the environmental movement. Watch the video by > clicking here or in the > embedded player. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEggt0ldQUI&feature=player_embedded > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: aroyboy44 at hotmail.com > To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net > Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:06:39 +0000 > Subject: [CitizensTruth] Some IPCC scientists have been cooking the > data on Global Warming > > > > Hacked E-Mail Is New Fodder for Climate Dispute > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html > > > > > Climate sceptics claim leaked emails are evidence of collusion among > scientists > > Hundreds of emails and documents exchanged between world's leading > climate scientists stolen by hackers and leaked online > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/nov/20/climate-sceptics-hackers-leaked-emails > > > > > > happy turkey day to all! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. Sign > up now. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > CitizensTruth mailing list > CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > website: http://citizenstruth.info > From mincam2 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 28 23:30:20 2009 From: mincam2 at yahoo.com (Chuck Minne) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 20:30:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [CitizensTruth] Some IPCC scientists have been cooking the data on Global Warming In-Reply-To: <4B11C02A.7000506@thetwofacesofmoney.com> Message-ID: <13600.80616.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Are you saying that the ice fields (glaciers) that a great part of humanity relies on for water are not disappearing? I think the photographic evidence of that is overwhelming. Perhaps ice elsewhere, that is not crucial for human use, is not decreasing, or even slightly increasing - but I think that is doubtful. ? When, just for example,?the Tibetan ice shelf is gone, or the Sierra snow pack is gone, it will be too late. ? ? ? ? In House, Many Spoke With One Voice: Lobbyists? By ROBERT PEAR ? WASHINGTON ? In the official record of the historic House debate on overhauling health care, the speeches of many lawmakers echo with similarities. Often, that was no accident. ? Statements by more than a dozen lawmakers were ghostwritten, in whole or in part, by Washington lobbyists working for Genentech, one of the world?s largest biotechnology companies. ? E-mail messages obtained by The New York Times show that the lobbyists drafted one statement for Democrats and another for Republicans. ? The lobbyists, employed by Genentech and by two Washington law firms, were remarkably successful in getting the statements printed in the Congressional Record under the names of different members of Congress. ? Genentech, a subsidiary of the Swiss drug giant Roche, estimates that 42 House members picked up some of its talking points ? 22 Republicans and 20 Democrats, an unusual bipartisan coup for lobbyists. ? In recent years, Genentech?s political action committee and lobbyists for Roche and Genentech have made campaign contributions to many House members, including some who filed statements in the Congressional Record. And company employees have been among the hosts at fund-raisers for some of those lawmakers. But Evan L. Morris, head of Genentech?s Washington office, said, ?There was no connection between the contributions and the statements.? --- On Sat, 11/28/09, Geri Perry wrote: From: Geri Perry Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] Some IPCC scientists have been cooking the data on Global Warming To: "Richard Fobes" Cc: "Citizen's.Truth" Date: Saturday, November 28, 2009, 6:28 PM Good article. Doesn't it seem a bit odd that we the people have somehow and once again become the enemies in this latest war against global warming, just as we are treated as enemies in the "war on terror" not to mention the WHO anointed world pandemic more commonly known as swine flu? Lucky for us that giant corporations, together with big government, always manage to gallop to our rescue in the nick of time with all manner of solutions - all of which must be paid for by you and I. Perhaps coincidentally, but certainly conveniently for the few is that all solutions seem to make those few boatloads of money, as in the case of the "cap and trade" system - developed by none other than Ken Lay's Enron of all things. At the same time the great unwashed masses are forced to accept oddly onerous control mechanisms, including being forced to use CFL light bulbs which not only contain mercury but have been linked to a variety of deleterious health effects for users. The dedicated truth seeker might want to check out a position paper by the popular and well known meteorologist John Coleman, offering as it does an alternative, and nicely presented, perspective on "global warming". Read it - the WHOLE thing - if you dare: http://media.kusi.clickability.com/documents/Comments+on+Global+Warming1.pdf In addition, our good friend Kevin Barrett recently pointed me to a new book tittled Weather Warfare by author and investigative journalist Jerry E. Smith. Smith presents "solid evidence from military and scientific sources that intentional environmental modification (EnMod) is the 600-pound gorilla at the global warming debate that everyone is pretending isn't there." As with Coleman above, Smith's book is supported with good documentation and it is going on my Christmas list. One thing seems apparent: all proffered "solutions" to "global warming" are highly suspect, diversionary in nature and almost assuredly bogus. The brouhaha over global warming may be working for someone, but it sure ain't us. geri p Richard Fobes wrote: > A Message to the Environmental Movement: Your Movement Has Been Hijacked > > > > > > *James Corbett * > The Corbett Report > November 25, 2009 > The Corbett Report has released a new video message to the environmental movement. Watch the video? by clicking here or in the embedded player. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEggt0ldQUI&feature=player_embedded > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: aroyboy44 at hotmail.com > To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net > Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:06:39 +0000 > Subject: [CitizensTruth] Some IPCC scientists have been cooking the data on Global Warming > > > >???Hacked E-Mail Is New Fodder for Climate Dispute > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html > > > >???Climate sceptics claim leaked emails are evidence of collusion among >???scientists > > Hundreds of emails and documents exchanged between world's leading climate scientists stolen by hackers and leaked online > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/nov/20/climate-sceptics-hackers-leaked-emails > > > > > happy turkey day to all! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Windows 7: It works the way you want. 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URL: From hal at drxyzzy.org Sun Nov 29 02:11:40 2009 From: hal at drxyzzy.org (Hal Snyder) Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 01:11:40 -0600 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Some IPCC scientists have been cooking the data on Global Warming In-Reply-To: <13600.80616.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <13600.80616.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Who on this list has expertise and access to data to form a first-hand scientific evaluation of the data? Most of us today must rely on sources we trust. I don't take John Coleman seriously on the subject of climate change. He is a showman and a meteorologist, not a climate scientist. I don't put credence in sources Coleman would have us take seriously, viz. Fred Singer & Chauncey Starr (see SourceWatch, links below). It doesn't help Coleman's credibility that the main media platform for his climate change denial is Fox News. http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Fred_Singer http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Chauncey_Starr ?Have temperatures gone up? No. Is global warming sweeping the planet? No. Is the ice melting at the poles? No. Is there any proof that it?s creating significant impact? No." - John Coleman http://www.good.is/post/you-dont-need-a-weatherman/ New NASA Satellite Survey Reveals Dramatic Arctic Sea Ice Thinning http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2009-107 Jerry Smith's book, "Weather Wars", came out three years ago, a year after he co-authored "Secrets of the Holy Lance". The latter covers, according to the author, "The Holy Grail; The Templar Knights; Nazi Occultism; Secret Societies; the quest for Agharta, Shambhala & Atlantis; Nazi UFOs; Operation Paperclip and the founding of NASA and CIA; Operation Highjump, Station 211 & The Battle For Neuschwabenland; The Rise Of The Fourth Reich, and much more." On Nov 28, 2009, at 10:30 PM, Chuck Minne wrote: > > Are you saying that the ice fields (glaciers) that a great part of > humanity relies on for water are not disappearing? I think the > photographic evidence of that is overwhelming. Perhaps ice > elsewhere, that is not crucial for human use, is not decreasing, or > even slightly increasing - but I think that is doubtful. > > When, just for example, the Tibetan ice shelf is gone, or the Sierra > snow pack is gone, it will be too late. > > > > > > In House, Many Spoke With One Voice: Lobbyists? > By ROBERT PEAR > > WASHINGTON ? In the official record of the historic House debate on > overhauling health care, the speeches of many lawmakers echo with > similarities. Often, that was no accident. > > Statements by more than a dozen lawmakers were ghostwritten, in > whole or in part, by Washington lobbyists working for Genentech, one > of the world?s largest biotechnology companies. > > E-mail messages obtained by The New York Times show that the > lobbyists drafted one statement for Democrats and another for > Republicans. > > The lobbyists, employed by Genentech and by two Washington law > firms, were remarkably successful in getting the statements printed > in the Congressional Record under the names of different members of > Congress. > > Genentech, a subsidiary of the Swiss drug giant Roche, estimates > that 42 House members picked up some of its talking points ? 22 > Republicans and 20 Democrats, an unusual bipartisan coup for > lobbyists. > > In recent years, Genentech?s political action committee and > lobbyists for Roche and Genentech have made campaign contributions > to many House members, including some who filed statements in the > Congressional Record. And company employees have been among the > hosts at fund-raisers for some of those lawmakers. But Evan L. > Morris, head of Genentech?s Washington office, said, ?There was no > connection between the contributions and the statements.? > > --- On Sat, 11/28/09, Geri Perry wrote: > > From: Geri Perry > Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] Some IPCC scientists have been cooking > the data on Global Warming > To: "Richard Fobes" > Cc: "Citizen's.Truth" > Date: Saturday, November 28, 2009, 6:28 PM > > Good article. > > Doesn't it seem a bit odd that we the people have somehow and once > again become the enemies in this latest war against global warming, > just as we are treated as enemies in the "war on terror" not to > mention the WHO anointed world pandemic more commonly known as swine > flu? Lucky for us that giant corporations, together with big > government, always manage to gallop to our rescue in the nick of > time with all manner of solutions - all of which must be paid for by > you and I. > > Perhaps coincidentally, but certainly conveniently for the few is > that all solutions seem to make those few boatloads of money, as in > the case of the "cap and trade" system - developed by none other > than Ken Lay's Enron of all things. At the same time the great > unwashed masses are forced to accept oddly onerous control > mechanisms, including being forced to use CFL light bulbs which not > only contain mercury but have been linked to a variety of > deleterious health effects for users. > > The dedicated truth seeker might want to check out a position paper > by the popular and well known meteorologist John Coleman, offering > as it does an alternative, and nicely presented, perspective on > "global warming". Read it - the WHOLE thing - if you dare: http://media.kusi.clickability.com/documents/Comments+on+Global+Warming1.pdf > > In addition, our good friend Kevin Barrett recently pointed me to a > new book tittled Weather Warfare by author and investigative > journalist Jerry E. Smith. Smith presents "solid evidence from > military and scientific sources that intentional environmental > modification (EnMod) is the 600-pound gorilla at the global warming > debate that everyone is pretending isn't there." > > As with Coleman above, Smith's book is supported with good > documentation and it is going on my Christmas list. > > One thing seems apparent: all proffered "solutions" to "global > warming" are highly suspect, diversionary in nature and almost > assuredly bogus. The brouhaha over global warming may be working for > someone, but it sure ain't us. > > geri p > > Richard Fobes wrote: > > A Message to the Environmental Movement: Your Movement Has Been > Hijacked > > > > > > > *James Corbett >* > > The Corbett Report > > November 25, 2009 > > The Corbett Report has released a > new video message to the environmental movement. Watch the video by > clicking here or in the > embedded player. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEggt0ldQUI&feature=player_embedded > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: aroyboy44 at hotmail.com > > To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net > > Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:06:39 +0000 > > Subject: [CitizensTruth] Some IPCC scientists have been cooking > the data on Global Warming > > > > > > > > Hacked E-Mail Is New Fodder for Climate Dispute > > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html > > > > > > > > > Climate sceptics claim leaked emails are evidence of collusion > among > > scientists > > > > Hundreds of emails and documents exchanged between world's leading > climate scientists stolen by hackers and leaked online > > > > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/nov/20/climate-sceptics-hackers-leaked-emails > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From welaware at merr.com Sun Nov 29 08:20:28 2009 From: welaware at merr.com (Kris Knight) Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 07:20:28 -0600 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Some IPCC scientists have been cooking the data on Global Warming In-Reply-To: References: <13600.80616.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <359FE0EB-B938-49C5-9B0B-52DDDFEA0F0C@merr.com> As I understand it, all the technology exists that could artificially warm up select areas of the globe...and I don't see that talked about or conjectured. I do have WEATHER WARS book but have not read. Wonder if this man broaches this possibility of manipulation of global life/power... On Nov 29, 2009, at 1:11 AM, Hal Snyder wrote: > Who on this list has expertise and access to data to form a first- > hand scientific evaluation of the data? Most of us today must rely > on sources we trust. > > I don't take John Coleman seriously on the subject of climate > change. He is a showman and a meteorologist, not a climate > scientist. I don't put credence in sources Coleman would have us > take seriously, viz. Fred Singer & Chauncey Starr (see SourceWatch, > links below). It doesn't help Coleman's credibility that the main > media platform for his climate change denial is Fox News. > > http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Fred_Singer > http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Chauncey_Starr > > > ?Have temperatures gone up? No. Is global warming sweeping the > planet? No. Is the ice melting at the poles? No. Is there any proof > that it?s creating significant impact? No." - John Coleman > http://www.good.is/post/you-dont-need-a-weatherman/ > > New NASA Satellite Survey Reveals Dramatic Arctic Sea Ice Thinning > http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2009-107 > > > Jerry Smith's book, "Weather Wars", came out three years ago, a year > after he co-authored "Secrets of the Holy Lance". The latter covers, > according to the author, "The Holy Grail; The Templar Knights; Nazi > Occultism; Secret Societies; the quest for Agharta, Shambhala & > Atlantis; Nazi UFOs; Operation Paperclip and the founding of NASA > and CIA; Operation Highjump, Station 211 & The Battle For > Neuschwabenland; The Rise Of The Fourth Reich, and much more." > > On Nov 28, 2009, at 10:30 PM, Chuck Minne wrote: > >> >> Are you saying that the ice fields (glaciers) that a great part of >> humanity relies on for water are not disappearing? I think the >> photographic evidence of that is overwhelming. Perhaps ice >> elsewhere, that is not crucial for human use, is not decreasing, or >> even slightly increasing - but I think that is doubtful. >> >> When, just for example, the Tibetan ice shelf is gone, or the >> Sierra snow pack is gone, it will be too late. >> >> >> >> >> >> In House, Many Spoke With One Voice: Lobbyists? >> By ROBERT PEAR >> >> WASHINGTON ? In the official record of the historic House debate on >> overhauling health care, the speeches of many lawmakers echo with >> similarities. Often, that was no accident. >> >> Statements by more than a dozen lawmakers were ghostwritten, in >> whole or in part, by Washington lobbyists working for Genentech, >> one of the world?s largest biotechnology companies. >> >> E-mail messages obtained by The New York Times show that the >> lobbyists drafted one statement for Democrats and another for >> Republicans. >> >> The lobbyists, employed by Genentech and by two Washington law >> firms, were remarkably successful in getting the statements printed >> in the Congressional Record under the names of different members of >> Congress. >> >> Genentech, a subsidiary of the Swiss drug giant Roche, estimates >> that 42 House members picked up some of its talking points ? 22 >> Republicans and 20 Democrats, an unusual bipartisan coup for >> lobbyists. >> >> In recent years, Genentech?s political action committee and >> lobbyists for Roche and Genentech have made campaign contributions >> to many House members, including some who filed statements in the >> Congressional Record. And company employees have been among the >> hosts at fund-raisers for some of those lawmakers. But Evan L. >> Morris, head of Genentech?s Washington office, said, ?There was no >> connection between the contributions and the statements.? >> >> --- On Sat, 11/28/09, Geri Perry wrote: >> >> From: Geri Perry >> Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] Some IPCC scientists have been cooking >> the data on Global Warming >> To: "Richard Fobes" >> Cc: "Citizen's.Truth" >> Date: Saturday, November 28, 2009, 6:28 PM >> >> Good article. >> >> Doesn't it seem a bit odd that we the people have somehow and once >> again become the enemies in this latest war against global warming, >> just as we are treated as enemies in the "war on terror" not to >> mention the WHO anointed world pandemic more commonly known as >> swine flu? Lucky for us that giant corporations, together with big >> government, always manage to gallop to our rescue in the nick of >> time with all manner of solutions - all of which must be paid for >> by you and I. >> >> Perhaps coincidentally, but certainly conveniently for the few is >> that all solutions seem to make those few boatloads of money, as in >> the case of the "cap and trade" system - developed by none other >> than Ken Lay's Enron of all things. At the same time the great >> unwashed masses are forced to accept oddly onerous control >> mechanisms, including being forced to use CFL light bulbs which not >> only contain mercury but have been linked to a variety of >> deleterious health effects for users. >> >> The dedicated truth seeker might want to check out a position paper >> by the popular and well known meteorologist John Coleman, offering >> as it does an alternative, and nicely presented, perspective on >> "global warming". Read it - the WHOLE thing - if you dare: http://media.kusi.clickability.com/documents/Comments+on+Global+Warming1.pdf >> >> In addition, our good friend Kevin Barrett recently pointed me to a >> new book tittled Weather Warfare by author and investigative >> journalist Jerry E. Smith. Smith presents "solid evidence from >> military and scientific sources that intentional environmental >> modification (EnMod) is the 600-pound gorilla at the global warming >> debate that everyone is pretending isn't there." >> >> As with Coleman above, Smith's book is supported with good >> documentation and it is going on my Christmas list. >> >> One thing seems apparent: all proffered "solutions" to "global >> warming" are highly suspect, diversionary in nature and almost >> assuredly bogus. The brouhaha over global warming may be working >> for someone, but it sure ain't us. >> >> geri p >> >> Richard Fobes wrote: >> > A Message to the Environmental Movement: Your Movement Has Been >> Hijacked > > >> > >> > >> > *James Corbett > >* >> > The Corbett Report >> > November 25, 2009 >> > The Corbett Report has released a >> new video message to the environmental movement. Watch the video >> by clicking here or in >> the embedded player. >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch? >> v=uEggt0ldQUI&feature=player_embedded > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > From: aroyboy44 at hotmail.com >> > To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net >> > Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:06:39 +0000 >> > Subject: [CitizensTruth] Some IPCC scientists have been cooking >> the data on Global Warming >> > >> > >> > >> > Hacked E-Mail Is New Fodder for Climate Dispute >> > >> > >> > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html > > >> > >> > >> > >> > Climate sceptics claim leaked emails are evidence of collusion >> among >> > scientists >> > >> > Hundreds of emails and documents exchanged between world's >> leading climate scientists stolen by hackers and leaked online >> > >> > >> > http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/nov/20/climate-sceptics-hackers-leaked-emails >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > CitizensTruth mailing list > CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > website: http://citizenstruth.info Kris Knight of WellAware Life Enhancement Center Phone: 1-608-ALL-LIFE welaware at merr.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From futurenotwritten at yahoo.com Sun Nov 29 11:16:08 2009 From: futurenotwritten at yahoo.com (Jay Becker) Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 08:16:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [CitizensTruth] Carl Sagan: A GLorious Dawn Awaits! Message-ID: <602447.61735.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks to Mars, Chicago poet & performance artist, for this tip...thought you all would enjoy it too! Jay What has inspired me lately? I?d have to start with this:? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSgiXGELjbc This is THE best music/video art I've ever seen on Youtube -- done in respectful remembrance of legendary scientist Carl Sagan. It uses Sagan's own voice via the "auto-tune" effect (that Matrix thingy) and mixes video from his series with original, gorgeous music by the artist who created the video. This is inspiring. A must-see. Created by artist John Boswell, as part of his Symphony Of Science project, using music to spread an appreciation of science. At a time when some are pushing for Creationism to be taught, rather, REQUIRED to be taught in all schools as an alternative to the scientific theory of evolution, it is striking and beautiful for someone to use the works of our great modern scientists as the subject matter of their art.? John Boswell has done a wonderful thing with this project.? Let?s take the message to heart.? Enjoy all of these -- I also really like, ?We are all connected? featuring another modern scientist favorite of mine, Neil deGrasse Tyson. Stop thinking like an American, Start thinking about humanity! Read Revolution at www.revcom.us -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: