From futurenotwritten at yahoo.com Thu Oct 1 14:23:24 2009 From: futurenotwritten at yahoo.com (Jay Becker) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 11:23:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CitizensTruth] Your Chance to Sign on Against G20 Repression Message-ID: <548010.66667.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ? The World Can't Wait Stop the Crimes of Your Government Donate | Local Chapters | Store ? Jay A story of two protests in the United States, six weeks apart.? August, 2009, in Portsmouth New Hampshire, an armed protester threatens to "water the tree of liberty" with the blood of tyrants and patriots. September, 2009, in Pittsburgh, unarmed protesters challenge the G-20 leaders to stop destroying the earth, and exploiting its people. For whom did the batons, gas, sound weapons, National Guard and curfews get deployed?? Who got arrested?? Who got endless news coverage and who got almost none?? Whose free speech was protected and who was criminalized? 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They have a hearing that may determine their current fate tomorrow morning at the NY Supreme Court. hair-raising 5-min speech! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkCos-y-WWM NYC CAN organization for getting on the ballot http://www.nyccan.org/index.php -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Walterb306 at cs.com Fri Oct 2 11:33:54 2009 From: Walterb306 at cs.com (Walterb306 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 11:33:54 EDT Subject: [CitizensTruth] Fwd: Judge orders release of Cheney interview with FBI Message-ID: All, Forwarding some GOOD NEWS from Citizens for Legitimate Government. If you're not already on their mailing list, you might want to sign up. I enjoy the comments. Brings a little sanity to the disinformation campaigns around us. Beverley -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "CLG_News" Subject: Judge orders release of Cheney interview with FBI Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 16:47:51 -0400 Size: 9968 Url: From rmigalla at earthlink.net Fri Oct 2 13:03:12 2009 From: rmigalla at earthlink.net (Robin Migalla) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 12:03:12 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] 9/11 guys aren't giving up! Message-ID: <01CA4358.51831A90.rmigalla@earthlink.net> Thanks for sharing this, Connie. I have gone through the gambit of feelings relative to 9/11 Truth, but one thing I know for sure is that the truth of what happened that day will come to the light of day, and these kinds of speeches serve to fan the fires of hope I hold within. Cheers, Robin -----Original Message----- From: Connie Smith [SMTP:dimension04 at sbcglobal.net] Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 18:18 To: September 11 List 2 Subject: [CitizensTruth] 9/11 guys aren't giving up! If you're discouraged about 9/11 Truth, get a powerful hit of energy from Daniel Sunjata's 5-minute speech in New York! (Link below.) He's a prominent cast member of TV's "Rescue Me," a drama about post-9/11 firefighters. But speaking of fire, he is one fired up orator and an utterly determined activist. He not only has succeeded in getting the big 9/11 questions written into and spoken on the show, in this brief but potent speech on YouTube he is taking on the powers-that-be and punching them right in the nose! You'll love it! As the PTB continue to block all efforts to get a TRUE 9/11 investigation demand on the mayoral ballot, these NY activists are pushing back hard on every front. They have a hearing that may determine their current fate tomorrow morning at the NY Supreme Court. hair-raising 5-min speech! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkCos-y-WWM NYC CAN organization for getting on the ballot http://www.nyccan.org/index.php << File: ATT00282.htm >> << File: ATT00283.txt >> From mincam2 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 2 14:48:05 2009 From: mincam2 at yahoo.com (Chuck Minne) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 11:48:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CitizensTruth] 9/11 guys aren't giving up! In-Reply-To: <01CA4358.51831A90.rmigalla@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <268092.85926.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I hope you're right Robin; but I think the opposite. I think that our grandchildren and their children will be taught that 911 was exactly what the "Official" Report says, and further, that there will be no mention of the large number of people who held that it was an inside job. Building 7 and all the conflicting evidence and facts will be erased/ignored. ? Because?I believe this, I question our entire history and wonder if there is any truth to the Boston Tea Party or Washington crossing the Delaware tales, for example. As far as?I am concerned, it could all be lies, and probably is.? I doubt that our generation started it. And think of how much easier it was to lie with slower and much less detailed communications. Look how they can lie now, even with the Internet; imagine how easy it was without it. And so on, back to smoke signals. ? ? AMY GOODMAN: We?re talking to Wendell Potter. For twenty years he was an executive at CIGNA and Humana. Most importantly, in the years at CIGNA, he was their chief corporate spokesperson, but has left to blow the whistle on insurance companies. ? WENDELL POTTER: Well, clearly, this senator [Chuck Grassley] has the insurance industry?s best interests at heart, not the American public and not his constituents. ? He has said that he didn?t think a public plan would be fair, compete fairly with insurance companies who?the private insurance industry. I?d like to ask him what is fair about the way that the insurance industries operate today, the companies that dump sick people when they need insurance most. What is fair about the way the insurance industry operates, Senator Grassley? ? AMY GOODMAN: Forty-five million new customers, that?s what the private insurance companies can now look forward to, if a bill like what came out of the Senate Finance Committee moves forward with the mandate. Explain how they will make out and how important, how significant, how profitable this is for the for-profit companies. ? WENDELL POTTER: Yeah, this is the first time that the insurance industry has really seen great opportunity in healthcare reform, with an individual mandate, which would require all of us to buy insurance if we are not eligible for a public, government-run program, which, fortunately, many people are. We would have to buy it in the private market from insurance companies, many of whom?many of which are for-profit companies. We would not have the option of buying or getting insurance through a government-run program like the public option would create. ? So, not only would our premium dollars go into this?into the private insurance industry, but a lot of tax dollars would. Most people who don?t have insurance can?t afford it, and they wouldn?t be able to afford it after healthcare reform is passed without the government subsidizing their premiums. So billions and billions of taxpayers? dollars will flow right into the treasuries of these big for-profit insurance companies. So we will be essentially paying a tax that will help support these insurance companies. It will be an enormous bailout of the health insurance industry. --- On Fri, 10/2/09, Robin Migalla wrote: From: Robin Migalla Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] 9/11 guys aren't giving up! To: "'citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net'" Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 12:03 PM Thanks for sharing this, Connie.? I have gone through the gambit of feelings relative to 9/11 Truth, but one thing I know for sure is that the truth of what happened that day will come to the light of day, and these kinds of speeches serve to fan the fires of hope I hold within. Cheers, Robin -----Original Message----- From:??? Connie Smith [SMTP:dimension04 at sbcglobal.net] Sent:??? Thursday, October 01, 2009 18:18 To:??? September 11 List 2 Subject:??? [CitizensTruth] 9/11 guys aren't giving up! If you're discouraged about 9/11 Truth, get a powerful hit of energy from Daniel Sunjata's 5-minute speech in New York!? (Link below.) He's a prominent cast member of TV's "Rescue Me," a drama about post-9/11 firefighters.? But speaking of fire, he is one fired up orator and an utterly determined activist. He not only has succeeded in getting the big 9/11 questions written into and spoken on the show, in this brief but potent speech on YouTube he is taking on the powers-that-be and punching them right in the nose!? You'll love it! As the PTB continue to block all efforts to get a TRUE 9/11 investigation demand on the mayoral ballot, these NY activists are pushing back hard on every front.? They have a hearing that may determine their current fate tomorrow morning at the NY Supreme Court. hair-raising 5-min speech! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkCos-y-WWM NYC CAN organization for getting on the ballot http://www.nyccan.org/index.php << File: ATT00282.htm >>? << File: ATT00283.txt >> _______________________________________________ CitizensTruth mailing list CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth website: http://citizenstruth.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From welaware at merr.com Fri Oct 2 14:59:04 2009 From: welaware at merr.com (Kris Knight) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 13:59:04 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] 9/11 guys aren't giving up! In-Reply-To: <268092.85926.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <268092.85926.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I AGREE WITH YOU CHUCK. I have a client who had a very successful textbook designing business and recently sold it. Made a small fortune. While he still owned it, let it slip that the textbook industry was a burgeoning and highly lucrative and busy business during the Bush administration (W). I began asking questions and that's when I figured out that they were literally rewriting reality, mostly from Texas approval groups. This is only more widely known now, through Tom Hartmann revealing this. I question virtually everything that is considered accurate historical documentation at this point. Leaves me with---no idea what to believe, esp. considering the ability for time travel and changing history through this, and much more, is now known to be happening...we are a swirling of multiple realities and dimensions, with opposing realities actually being able to all be true at the same time...so we must evolve; we have no other positive choice, really. And devolution appears to be very busily proceeding right now. On Oct 2, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Chuck Minne wrote: > I hope you're right Robin; but I think the opposite. I think that > our grandchildren and their children will be taught that 911 was > exactly what the "Official" Report says, and further, that there > will be no mention of the large number of people who held that it > was an inside job. Building 7 and all the conflicting evidence and > facts will be erased/ignored. > > Because I believe this, I question our entire history and wonder if > there is any truth to the Boston Tea Party or Washington crossing > the Delaware tales, for example. As far as I am concerned, it could > all be lies, and probably is. I doubt that our generation started > it. And think of how much easier it was to lie with slower and much > less detailed communications. Look how they can lie now, even with > the Internet; imagine how easy it was without it. And so on, back to > smoke signals. > > > > AMY GOODMAN: We?re talking to Wendell Potter. For twenty years he > was an executive at CIGNA and Humana. Most importantly, in the years > at CIGNA, he was their chief corporate spokesperson, but has left to > blow the whistle on insurance companies. > > WENDELL POTTER: Well, clearly, this senator [Chuck Grassley] has the > insurance industry?s best interests at heart, not the American > public and not his constituents. > > He has said that he didn?t think a public plan would be fair, > compete fairly with insurance companies who?the private insurance > industry. I?d like to ask him what is fair about the way that the > insurance industries operate today, the companies that dump sick > people when they need insurance most. What is fair about the way the > insurance industry operates, Senator Grassley? > > AMY GOODMAN: Forty-five million new customers, that?s what the > private insurance companies can now look forward to, if a bill like > what came out of the Senate Finance Committee moves forward with the > mandate. Explain how they will make out and how important, how > significant, how profitable this is for the for-profit companies. > > WENDELL POTTER: Yeah, this is the first time that the insurance > industry has really seen great opportunity in healthcare reform, > with an individual mandate, which would require all of us to buy > insurance if we are not eligible for a public, government-run > program, which, fortunately, many people are. We would have to buy > it in the private market from insurance companies, many of whom?many > of which are for-profit companies. We would not have the option of > buying or getting insurance through a government-run program like > the public option would create. > > So, not only would our premium dollars go into this?into the private > insurance industry, but a lot of tax dollars would. Most people who > don?t have insurance can?t afford it, and they wouldn?t be able to > afford it after healthcare reform is passed without the government > subsidizing their premiums. So billions and billions of taxpayers? > dollars will flow right into the treasuries of these big for-profit > insurance companies. So we will be essentially paying a tax that > will help support these insurance companies. It will be an enormous > bailout of the health insurance industry. > > > --- On Fri, 10/2/09, Robin Migalla wrote: > > From: Robin Migalla > Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] 9/11 guys aren't giving up! > To: "'citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net'" > > Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 12:03 PM > > Thanks for sharing this, Connie. I have gone through the gambit of > feelings relative to 9/11 Truth, but one thing I know for sure is > that the > truth of what happened that day will come to the light of day, and > these > kinds of speeches serve to fan the fires of hope I hold within. > > Cheers, > Robin > > -----Original Message----- > From: Connie Smith [SMTP:dimension04 at sbcglobal.net] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 18:18 > To: September 11 List 2 > Subject: [CitizensTruth] 9/11 guys aren't giving up! > > > > > > > If you're discouraged about 9/11 Truth, get a powerful hit of energy > from > Daniel Sunjata's 5-minute speech in New York! (Link below.) > > He's a prominent cast member of TV's "Rescue Me," a drama about > post-9/11 > firefighters. But speaking of fire, he is one fired up orator and an > utterly determined activist. > > He not only has succeeded in getting the big 9/11 questions written > into > and spoken on the show, in this brief but potent speech on YouTube > he is > taking on the powers-that-be and punching them right in the nose! > You'll > love it! > > As the PTB continue to block all efforts to get a TRUE 9/11 > investigation > demand on the mayoral ballot, these NY activists are pushing back > hard on > every front. They have a hearing that may determine their current > fate > tomorrow morning at the NY Supreme Court. > > > hair-raising 5-min speech! > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkCos-y-WWM > > NYC CAN organization for getting on the ballot > http://www.nyccan.org/index.php << File: ATT00282.htm >> << File: > ATT00283.txt >> > _______________________________________________ > CitizensTruth mailing list > CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > website: http://citizenstruth.info > > _______________________________________________ > CitizensTruth mailing list > CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > website: http://citizenstruth.info Kris Knight of WellAware Life Enhancement Center Phone: 1-608-ALL-LIFE welaware at merr.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hal at drxyzzy.org Fri Oct 2 15:00:58 2009 From: hal at drxyzzy.org (Hal Snyder) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 14:00:58 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] 9/11 guys aren't giving up! In-Reply-To: <268092.85926.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <268092.85926.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <030B753E-4609-4301-92EA-66BEEFEBA264@drxyzzy.org> I have read from a couple sources that the Boston Tea Party was not the cartoon anti-tax event popular history & today's tea party enthusiasts would have us believe. It was at least as much a protest against an early form of globalization, where the Crown gave the East India Company unfair trade advantage, to the detriment of our own entrepreneurs. America?s First Anti-Globalization Protest The Boston Tea Party http://www.thomhartmann.com/2007/11/02/america?s-first-anti- globalization-protest/ On Oct 2, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Chuck Minne wrote: > I hope you're right Robin; but I think the opposite. I think that > our grandchildren and their children will be taught that 911 was > exactly what the "Official" Report says, and further, that there > will be no mention of the large number of people who held that it > was an inside job. Building 7 and all the conflicting evidence and > facts will be erased/ignored. > > Because I believe this, I question our entire history and wonder if > there is any truth to the Boston Tea Party or Washington crossing > the Delaware tales, for example. As far as I am concerned, it could > all be lies, and probably is. I doubt that our generation started > it. And think of how much easier it was to lie with slower and much > less detailed communications. Look how they can lie now, even with > the Internet; imagine how easy it was without it. And so on, back to > smoke signals. > > > --- On Fri, 10/2/09, Robin Migalla wrote: > > From: Robin Migalla > Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] 9/11 guys aren't giving up! > To: "'citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net'" > > Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 12:03 PM > > Thanks for sharing this, Connie. I have gone through the gambit of > feelings relative to 9/11 Truth, but one thing I know for sure is > that the > truth of what happened that day will come to the light of day, and > these > kinds of speeches serve to fan the fires of hope I hold within. > > Cheers, > Robin > > -----Original Message----- > From: Connie Smith [SMTP:dimension04 at sbcglobal.net] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 18:18 > To: September 11 List 2 > Subject: [CitizensTruth] 9/11 guys aren't giving up! > > If you're discouraged about 9/11 Truth, get a powerful hit of energy > from > Daniel Sunjata's 5-minute speech in New York! (Link below.) > > He's a prominent cast member of TV's "Rescue Me," a drama about > post-9/11 > firefighters. But speaking of fire, he is one fired up orator and an > utterly determined activist. > > He not only has succeeded in getting the big 9/11 questions written > into > and spoken on the show, in this brief but potent speech on YouTube > he is > taking on the powers-that-be and punching them right in the nose! > You'll > love it! > > As the PTB continue to block all efforts to get a TRUE 9/11 > investigation > demand on the mayoral ballot, these NY activists are pushing back > hard on > every front. They have a hearing that may determine their current > fate > tomorrow morning at the NY Supreme Court. > > > hair-raising 5-min speech! > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkCos-y-WWM > > NYC CAN organization for getting on the ballot > http://www.nyccan.org/index.php -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rmigalla at earthlink.net Fri Oct 2 15:39:13 2009 From: rmigalla at earthlink.net (Robin Migalla) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 14:39:13 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] 9/11 guys aren't giving up! Message-ID: <01CA436E.234F8D00.rmigalla@earthlink.net> Well, Chuck, I think I'll keep your hope. And to your point about grandchildren, my granddaughter already knows about building 7. At 7 years of age, she had written to George W. Bush telling him to end the war in Iraq. At 8 years of age, she had written a book on how to save our planet. And at 9 years of age, she had written to Al Gore commending him on his documentary. I think she is just one example of the youth today. These kids aren't going to be taking status quo pabulum from anyone. Cheers, Robin -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Minne [SMTP:mincam2 at yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 13:48 To: 'citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net'; Robin Migalla Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] 9/11 guys aren't giving up! I hope you're right Robin; but I think the opposite. I think that our grandchildren and their children will be taught that 911 was exactly what the "Official" Report says, and further, that there will be no mention of the large number of people who held that it was an inside job. Building 7 and all the conflicting evidence and facts will be erased/ignored. Because I believe this, I question our entire history and wonder if there is any truth to the Boston Tea Party or Washington crossing the Delaware tales, for example. As far as I am concerned, it could all be lies, and probably is. I doubt that our generation started it. And think of how much easier it was to lie with slower and much less detailed communications. Look how they can lie now, even with the Internet; imagine how easy it was without it. And so on, back to smoke signals. AMY GOODMAN: We're talking to Wendell Potter. For twenty years he was an executive at CIGNA and Humana. Most importantly, in the years at CIGNA, he was their chief corporate spokesperson, but has left to blow the whistle on insurance companies. WENDELL POTTER: Well, clearly, this senator [Chuck Grassley] has the insurance industry's best interests at heart, not the American public and not his constituents. He has said that he didn't think a public plan would be fair, compete fairly with insurance companies who-the private insurance industry. I'd like to ask him what is fair about the way that the insurance industries operate today, the companies that dump sick people when they need insurance most. What is fair about the way the insurance industry operates, Senator Grassley? AMY GOODMAN: Forty-five million new customers, that's what the private insurance companies can now look forward to, if a bill like what came out of the Senate Finance Committee moves forward with the mandate. Explain how they will make out and how important, how significant, how profitable this is for the for-profit companies. WENDELL POTTER: Yeah, this is the first time that the insurance industry has really seen great opportunity in healthcare reform, with an individual mandate, which would require all of us to buy insurance if we are not eligible for a public, government-run program, which, fortunately, many people are. We would have to buy it in the private market from insurance companies, many of whom-many of which are for-profit companies. We would not have the option of buying or getting insurance through a government-run program like the public option would create. So, not only would our premium dollars go into this-into the private insurance industry, but a lot of tax dollars would. Most people who don't have insurance can't afford it, and they wouldn't be able to afford it after healthcare reform is passed without the government subsidizing their premiums. So billions and billions of taxpayers' dollars will flow right into the treasuries of these big for-profit insurance companies. So we will be essentially paying a tax that will help support these insurance companies. It will be an enormous bailout of the health insurance industry. --- On Fri, 10/2/09, Robin Migalla wrote: From: Robin Migalla Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] 9/11 guys aren't giving up! To: "'citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net'" Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 12:03 PM Thanks for sharing this, Connie. I have gone through the gambit of feelings relative to 9/11 Truth, but one thing I know for sure is that the truth of what happened that day will come to the light of day, and these kinds of speeches serve to fan the fires of hope I hold within. Cheers, Robin -----Original Message----- From: Connie Smith [SMTP:dimension04 at sbcglobal.net] Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 18:18 To: September 11 List 2 Subject: [CitizensTruth] 9/11 guys aren't giving up! If you're discouraged about 9/11 Truth, get a powerful hit of energy from Daniel Sunjata's 5-minute speech in New York! (Link below.) He's a prominent cast member of TV's "Rescue Me," a drama about post-9/11 firefighters. But speaking of fire, he is one fired up orator and an utterly determined activist. He not only has succeeded in getting the big 9/11 questions written into and spoken on the show, in this brief but potent speech on YouTube he is taking on the powers-that-be and punching them right in the nose! You'll love it! As the PTB continue to block all efforts to get a TRUE 9/11 investigation demand on the mayoral ballot, these NY activists are pushing back hard on every front. They have a hearing that may determine their current fate tomorrow morning at the NY Supreme Court. hair-raising 5-min speech! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkCos-y-WWM NYC CAN organization for getting on the ballot http://www.nyccan.org/index.php << File: ATT00282.htm >> << File: ATT00283.txt >> _______________________________________________ CitizensTruth mailing list CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth website: http://citizenstruth.info << File: ATT00316.htm; charset = utf-8 >> From rmigalla at earthlink.net Fri Oct 2 15:53:04 2009 From: rmigalla at earthlink.net (Robin Migalla) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 14:53:04 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] 9/11 guys aren't giving up! Message-ID: <01CA4370.0DA1DBF0.rmigalla@earthlink.net> Yes, Hal, this is true. Actually, I've just recently finished listening to an audio recording of " The first American : the life and times of Benjamin Franklin" by H.W. Brands. It gives many great details about what happened in Boston as well as many of the other events surrounding the birth of our nation (including Washington's crossing). I highly recommend it. We could all probably learn something from Benjamin Franklin's Socratic style of argument to get our points across. And for those of you who can really think outside of the box, Benjamin Franklin reincarnated into a life during the time of Edgar Cayce. Under the name of Franklin Bradley, he had a total of 26 readings from Edgar Cayce. Here are just a few quotes: "Yes (Very nice man!) we have the body and the inquiring mind, Franklin Bradley, here." (165-1) "In the one before this we find during that period when much was being attempted in this present land. The entity then among those who builded for the good of those to come, ministering in many ways and in many manners to the needs of the nation yet unborn, and many of the words in verse, in line, are often yet quoted in schools, in places of learning, in copy. In the name then Franklin. The entity gained through this experience, giving self in SERVICE to many, rather than turning same into channels for self's own interest, as might have been done through that experience. In the urge is seen that of the love of the young, and of the making toward better manhood in the home, in the office, in the field." (165-2) Cheers, Robin -----Original Message----- From: Hal Snyder [SMTP:hal at drxyzzy.org] Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 14:01 To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] 9/11 guys aren't giving up! I have read from a couple sources that the Boston Tea Party was not the cartoon anti-tax event popular history & today's tea party enthusiasts would have us believe. It was at least as much a protest against an early form of globalization, where the Crown gave the East India Company unfair trade advantage, to the detriment of our own entrepreneurs. America's First Anti-Globalization Protest The Boston Tea Party http://www.thomhartmann.com/2007/11/02/america's-first-anti-globalizatio n-protest/ On Oct 2, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Chuck Minne wrote: > I hope you're right Robin; but I think the opposite. I think that > our grandchildren and their children will be taught that 911 was > exactly what the "Official" Report says, and further, that there > will be no mention of the large number of people who held that it > was an inside job. Building 7 and all the conflicting evidence and > facts will be erased/ignored. > > Because I believe this, I question our entire history and wonder if > there is any truth to the Boston Tea Party or Washington crossing > the Delaware tales, for example. As far as I am concerned, it could > all be lies, and probably is. I doubt that our generation started > it. And think of how much easier it was to lie with slower and much > less detailed communications. Look how they can lie now, even with > the Internet; imagine how easy it was without it. And so on, back to > smoke signals. > > > --- On Fri, 10/2/09, Robin Migalla wrote: > > From: Robin Migalla > Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] 9/11 guys aren't giving up! > To: "'citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net'" > > Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 12:03 PM > > Thanks for sharing this, Connie. I have gone through the gambit of > feelings relative to 9/11 Truth, but one thing I know for sure is > that the > truth of what happened that day will come to the light of day, and > these > kinds of speeches serve to fan the fires of hope I hold within. > > Cheers, > Robin > > -----Original Message----- > From: Connie Smith [SMTP:dimension04 at sbcglobal.net] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 18:18 > To: September 11 List 2 > Subject: [CitizensTruth] 9/11 guys aren't giving up! > > If you're discouraged about 9/11 Truth, get a powerful hit of energy > from > Daniel Sunjata's 5-minute speech in New York! (Link below.) > > He's a prominent cast member of TV's "Rescue Me," a drama about > post-9/11 > firefighters. But speaking of fire, he is one fired up orator and an > utterly determined activist. > > He not only has succeeded in getting the big 9/11 questions written > into > and spoken on the show, in this brief but potent speech on YouTube > he is > taking on the powers-that-be and punching them right in the nose! > You'll > love it! > > As the PTB continue to block all efforts to get a TRUE 9/11 > investigation > demand on the mayoral ballot, these NY activists are pushing back > hard on > every front. They have a hearing that may determine their current > fate > tomorrow morning at the NY Supreme Court. > > > hair-raising 5-min speech! > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkCos-y-WWM > > NYC CAN organization for getting on the ballot > http://www.nyccan.org/index.php From rmigalla at earthlink.net Fri Oct 2 16:06:42 2009 From: rmigalla at earthlink.net (Robin Migalla) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:06:42 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Wow, is FOX news gives voice to the UNsafety of the swine flu vaccine Message-ID: <01CA4371.F42E7050.rmigalla@earthlink.net> Hi Folks, Here's a very pleasant surprise: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1z7KSEnyxw FOX news actually airs a segment where Dr. Kent Holtorf, and expert on infectious diseases admits to how unsafe the Swine Flu vaccine is. So much so, that the doctor himself admits the vaccine is more harmful than the swine flu itself and wouldn't even consider giving it to his own kids. He also goes into some pretty good details about the relationship between vaccines and autism. What's even more remarkable is that nobody from FOX news insulted him. Hope is in the air! Cheers, Robin www.healthforlifecoloncare.com www.traditionalnutrition.org www.ppnf.org "Let thy food be thy medicine and thy medicine be thy food." --Hippocrates (460-377 B.C.) Just be careful how you define food ;-) "The purpose of medicine is to amuse the patient until nature effects a cure." -- Voltaire (1694-1778) "Doctors pour medicines of which they know little to cure diseases of which they no less into humans of which they know nothing." -- Voltaire (1694-1778) From dimension04 at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 2 18:05:30 2009 From: dimension04 at sbcglobal.net (Connie Smith) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 17:05:30 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Why be on this list if... Message-ID: <3083A30E945B4A74A05767CE4BCA7537@InspironConnie> Regarding a few comments that are going around, pertaining to the NY ballot efforts, Daniel Sunjata, etc: Why on earth would anyone be on a 9/11 Truth list if they doubt the truth WILL break through? One comment was an overt demoralization attempt -- which is like attempted sabotage. The other was all about confusion -- which at very least, isn't helpful. Of course there's mythology in our history, but the good stories aren't the problem. America does have a foundation of ideals, and there are healthy kernels of truth and goodness even if some events are exaggerated. The problem comes in with lack of truth about the "bad" stories -- lack of awareness of how brutal and arrogant many US policies actually have been and continue to be. America: all good, no bad -- this has been the LIE unconscionably taught to us, to generations of schoolchildren. This is what has most Americans living in the matrix of ignorance -- and why the perpetrators of 9/11 were pretty sure they could get away with it. But I'm convinced the unprecedented level of global awareness and activism are reaching critical mass -- and ALL the lies -- especially about history and religion -- are soon going to come rushing out in a tsunami of truth. Our main task then is to help people adjust -- as we have had to do -- to the shock. And then to help build an entirely new and shining future based on good-hearted realism instead of the evil agendas humanity has long been suffering. Connie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mincam2 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 2 18:35:41 2009 From: mincam2 at yahoo.com (Chuck Minne) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:35:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CitizensTruth] Why be on this list if... In-Reply-To: <3083A30E945B4A74A05767CE4BCA7537@InspironConnie> Message-ID: <261284.53171.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Connie, I am on this list because I?want to know the truth (or at least what others perceive it to be.) I'm not sure that I ever will. In fact, I don't think it is entirely possible. I'd be happy if I thought I came reasonably close. ? Before 911, I actually thought it was possible to be fairly well informed. However, 911 has made me almost a complete an unbeliever. I feel confident that schoolbooks of 2020 will be full of lies. So why not the schoolbooks of 1990? 1890? etc.? ? I belong to Architects & Engineers for 911 Truth. Their goal is to enlighten Congress. When talking to one of their organizers, I asked, "What makes you think Congress is on our side?" She had no answer. ? I have come to the conclusion that people do not want to know the "truth," or if they already do, they don't want to admit it. I truly hope I am wrong, and that you can prove me so. ? It is my guess that we are the work of aliens - but damned if I know or even believe that. And that goes for just about everything. I think our world revolves about greed - but that is just another guess. ? Tell me I'm wrong about any of this. that's fine with me - maybe I'll learn something. Which is why I am here. ? ? AMY GOODMAN: We?re talking to Wendell Potter. For twenty years he was an executive at CIGNA and Humana. Most importantly, in the years at CIGNA, he was their chief corporate spokesperson, but has left to blow the whistle on insurance companies. ? WENDELL POTTER: Well, clearly, this senator [Chuck Grassley] has the insurance industry?s best interests at heart, not the American public and not his constituents. ? He has said that he didn?t think a public plan would be fair, compete fairly with insurance companies who?the private insurance industry. I?d like to ask him what is fair about the way that the insurance industries operate today, the companies that dump sick people when they need insurance most. What is fair about the way the insurance industry operates, Senator Grassley? ? AMY GOODMAN: Forty-five million new customers, that?s what the private insurance companies can now look forward to, if a bill like what came out of the Senate Finance Committee moves forward with the mandate. Explain how they will make out and how important, how significant, how profitable this is for the for-profit companies. ? WENDELL POTTER: Yeah, this is the first time that the insurance industry has really seen great opportunity in healthcare reform, with an individual mandate, which would require all of us to buy insurance if we are not eligible for a public, government-run program, which, fortunately, many people are. We would have to buy it in the private market from insurance companies, many of whom?many of which are for-profit companies. We would not have the option of buying or getting insurance through a government-run program like the public option would create. ? So, not only would our premium dollars go into this?into the private insurance industry, but a lot of tax dollars would. Most people who don?t have insurance can?t afford it, and they wouldn?t be able to afford it after healthcare reform is passed without the government subsidizing their premiums. So billions and billions of taxpayers? dollars will flow right into the treasuries of these big for-profit insurance companies. So we will be essentially paying a tax that will help support these insurance companies. It will be an enormous bailout of the health insurance industry. --- On Fri, 10/2/09, Connie Smith wrote: From: Connie Smith Subject: [CitizensTruth] Why be on this list if... To: "September 11 List 2" Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 5:05 PM ? ? Regarding a few?comments that are going around, pertaining to the NY ballot efforts, Daniel Sunjata, etc: ? Why on earth would anyone be on a 9/11 Truth list if they doubt the truth WILL break through?? One comment was an overt demoralization attempt -- which is like attempted sabotage.??The other was all about confusion -- which at very least, isn't helpful. ? Of course there's mythology in our history, but the good stories aren't the problem.?America does have a foundation of ideals, and there?are?healthy kernels?of truth and goodness even if some events are exaggerated.? ? The problem comes in with?lack of truth about the "bad" stories -- lack of awareness?of how brutal and arrogant many US policies actually?have been and continue to be.? ? America:? all good, no bad -- this has been the LIE unconscionably taught to us, to generations of schoolchildren.? This is what has most Americans living in?the matrix?of ignorance -- and why the perpetrators of 9/11 were pretty sure they could get away with it. ? But I'm convinced the unprecedented?level of global awareness and activism?are reaching critical mass -- and ALL the lies -- especially about history and religion?-- are soon going to come rushing?out in a tsunami of truth.? Our main task then is to help people adjust -- as we have had to do -- to the shock.? And then to help build an entirely new and shining future based on good-hearted realism instead of the evil agendas humanity has long been suffering. ? Connie -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ CitizensTruth mailing list CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth website: http://citizenstruth.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rmigalla at earthlink.net Sat Oct 3 11:21:15 2009 From: rmigalla at earthlink.net (Robin Migalla) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 10:21:15 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Wow, is FOX news gives voice to the UNsafety of the swine flu vaccine Message-ID: <01CA4413.3E6C41F0.rmigalla@earthlink.net> Hi Nancy, Yes, it was a bit strange they were suggesting you run to the ER with flu symptoms. No wonder we're having a health care crisis. Of course with health care running at 25% of GDP, it would appear that it is in our economic best interest to have folks running to the ER ;-). One of the other significant things mentioned by Dr. Holtorf was the risk folks who have compromised blood-brain barriers are under. I wonder if he realizes that this is nearly the entire population given the preponderance of MSG-laden foods being eaten. Cheers, Robin www.healthforlifecoloncare.com www.traditionalnutrition.org www.ppnf.org "Let thy food be thy medicine and thy medicine be thy food." --Hippocrates (460-377 B.C.) Just be careful how you define food ;-) "The purpose of medicine is to amuse the patient until nature effects a cure." -- Voltaire (1694-1778) "Doctors pour medicines of which they know little to cure diseases of which they no less into humans of which they know nothing." -- Voltaire (1694-1778) -----Original Message----- Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 09:45 To: realnutrition at yahoogroups.com Subject: [realnutrition] Re: Wow, is FOX news gives voice to the UNsafety of the swine flu vaccine This is good news! I have been trying to get my local Christian radio station (90.1fm) to have someone on from the other side and no luck so far! There is some conspiracy with the media on this issue and am glad to at least see FOX news give a little time to the other side! I watched that clip and the goofy Fox News guy at one point stepped in to say something when you could tell the doc had something important to say, thankfully in the end, he did say he would not give it to his kids and that there is 25,000 times the amount of mercury. I thought the beginning part of the interview about seeing your doctor or ER if having those symptoms was a bit strange - c'mon people - why are you running to the doc/ER for basic flu symptoms?? ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/realnutrition/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/realnutrition/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:realnutrition-digest at yahoogroups.com mailto:realnutrition-fullfeatured at yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: realnutrition-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From rmigalla at earthlink.net Sat Oct 3 11:54:10 2009 From: rmigalla at earthlink.net (Robin Migalla) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 10:54:10 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Why be on this list if... Message-ID: <01CA4417.D747BD60.rmigalla@earthlink.net> Hi Chuck, I really hear your frustration in this message. I, too, have suffered terrible despair over the way things have been going. When I first woke up to the whole building 7 thing, I spent almost an entire year either in frantic chicken little ravings or despairing episodes of depression that kept me on my couch for weeks. The same year I awoke, I lost my brother who was my best friend in all the world, and the last of my nuclear family on this earth. It was quite a lonely period in my life. And the absolute worst part of it was my husband wouldn't even consider looking at the evidence. Not even in my own home and family, in my closest and most intimate relationship, could I get a listening, compassionate ear for the distress my awakening caused. I'm glad that stage is behind me now, and funny thing is since I've come to terms with my husband's inability to even entertain the idea there was some funny business happening on September 11, 2001, I really am feeling a lot more hopeful. I sincerely believe that the end of deception is upon us. Here's a link to an article I found very helpful: http://www.world-of-wisdom.com/blog/belief-systems-and-their-consequence s/24/#more-24 I hope the astrology stuff doesn't scare you too much, to consider the points that Adrian is making. I've also been meaning to reply to your post about the alien discovery in Cerro Azul, Panama. I participate in several groups who are focused on planetary ascension. Many of the people in these groups claim to have relationships with extra terrestrials and often share messages they believe are coming from them. If you haven't read "From elsewhere : being E.T. in America" by Scott Mendelker, I encourage you to do so. Many of the messages of late have been telling us that there are going to be more and more incidences of these extra terrestrials trying to make contact with us. It's a shame that the teens became so fearful they felt they had to kill the creature. Of course isn't that the way of the world these days - our fear driving our madness? I'm not surprised, but I am saddened by it. The creature doesn't appear to be something capable of overpowering a group of healthy teenagers. If their fear hadn't taken over, perhaps they could have subdued rather than killed the creature and we could have learned something. Anyway, the older I get the more I realize truth is a very relative thing. I do believe, however, there are a few universal truths on which we can rely. I believe one of them to be that there really is a loving Creator which has our very best interests at heart and in mind, and if we can calm our fears enough to hear the still small voice we carry within our own being given us by that Creator, we might just get a glimpse of a new and better world and begin to manifest that. I also want to express my gratitude to you for your very well thought out and thought provoking posts. It has been through your posts, I have been able to let go of some of my staunch libertarian views and to see the value in certain public enterprises. I'm not yet sure health care ought to be one of them; especially, given that my view of the current corporate controlled system is killing us, but I do think I'm starting to see there might be a way of doing this. Did you know that the very first hospital on our continent was established by Benjamin Franklin as a means of caring for the homeless sick and mentally ill folks on the streets of Philadelphia. I think good ole Ben was onto something, and I think it was by no accident that it was a public enterprise and not a corporate controlled profit center. Thanks for listening, Robin www.healthforlifecoloncare.com www.traditionalnutrition.org www.ppnf.org "Let thy food be thy medicine and thy medicine be thy food." --Hippocrates (460-377 B.C.) Just be careful how you define food ;-) "The purpose of medicine is to amuse the patient until nature effects a cure." -- Voltaire (1694-1778) "Doctors pour medicines of which they know little to cure diseases of which they no less into humans of which they know nothing." -- Voltaire (1694-1778) -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Minne [SMTP:mincam2 at yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 17:36 To: September 11 List 2; Connie Smith Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] Why be on this list if... Connie, I am on this list because I want to know the truth (or at least what others perceive it to be.) I'm not sure that I ever will. In fact, I don't think it is entirely possible. I'd be happy if I thought I came reasonably close. Before 911, I actually thought it was possible to be fairly well informed. However, 911 has made me almost a complete an unbeliever. I feel confident that schoolbooks of 2020 will be full of lies. So why not the schoolbooks of 1990? 1890? etc.? I belong to Architects & Engineers for 911 Truth. Their goal is to enlighten Congress. When talking to one of their organizers, I asked, "What makes you think Congress is on our side?" She had no answer. I have come to the conclusion that people do not want to know the "truth," or if they already do, they don't want to admit it. I truly hope I am wrong, and that you can prove me so. It is my guess that we are the work of aliens - but damned if I know or even believe that. And that goes for just about everything. I think our world revolves about greed - but that is just another guess. Tell me I'm wrong about any of this. that's fine with me - maybe I'll learn something. Which is why I am here. AMY GOODMAN: We're talking to Wendell Potter. For twenty years he was an executive at CIGNA and Humana. Most importantly, in the years at CIGNA, he was their chief corporate spokesperson, but has left to blow the whistle on insurance companies. WENDELL POTTER: Well, clearly, this senator [Chuck Grassley] has the insurance industry's best interests at heart, not the American public and not his constituents. He has said that he didn't think a public plan would be fair, compete fairly with insurance companies who-the private insurance industry. I'd like to ask him what is fair about the way that the insurance industries operate today, the companies that dump sick people when they need insurance most. What is fair about the way the insurance industry operates, Senator Grassley? AMY GOODMAN: Forty-five million new customers, that's what the private insurance companies can now look forward to, if a bill like what came out of the Senate Finance Committee moves forward with the mandate. Explain how they will make out and how important, how significant, how profitable this is for the for-profit companies. WENDELL POTTER: Yeah, this is the first time that the insurance industry has really seen great opportunity in healthcare reform, with an individual mandate, which would require all of us to buy insurance if we are not eligible for a public, government-run program, which, fortunately, many people are. We would have to buy it in the private market from insurance companies, many of whom-many of which are for-profit companies. We would not have the option of buying or getting insurance through a government-run program like the public option would create. So, not only would our premium dollars go into this-into the private insurance industry, but a lot of tax dollars would. Most people who don't have insurance can't afford it, and they wouldn't be able to afford it after healthcare reform is passed without the government subsidizing their premiums. So billions and billions of taxpayers' dollars will flow right into the treasuries of these big for-profit insurance companies. So we will be essentially paying a tax that will help support these insurance companies. It will be an enormous bailout of the health insurance industry. --- On Fri, 10/2/09, Connie Smith wrote: From: Connie Smith Subject: [CitizensTruth] Why be on this list if... To: "September 11 List 2" Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 5:05 PM Regarding a few comments that are going around, pertaining to the NY ballot efforts, Daniel Sunjata, etc: Why on earth would anyone be on a 9/11 Truth list if they doubt the truth WILL break through? One comment was an overt demoralization attempt -- which is like attempted sabotage. The other was all about confusion -- which at very least, isn't helpful. Of course there's mythology in our history, but the good stories aren't the problem. America does have a foundation of ideals, and there are healthy kernels of truth and goodness even if some events are exaggerated. The problem comes in with lack of truth about the "bad" stories -- lack of awareness of how brutal and arrogant many US policies actually have been and continue to be. America: all good, no bad -- this has been the LIE unconscionably taught to us, to generations of schoolchildren. This is what has most Americans living in the matrix of ignorance -- and why the perpetrators of 9/11 were pretty sure they could get away with it. But I'm convinced the unprecedented level of global awareness and activism are reaching critical mass -- and ALL the lies -- especially about history and religion -- are soon going to come rushing out in a tsunami of truth. Our main task then is to help people adjust -- as we have had to do -- to the shock. And then to help build an entirely new and shining future based on good-hearted realism instead of the evil agendas humanity has long been suffering. Connie -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ CitizensTruth mailing list CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth website: http://citizenstruth.info From hal at drxyzzy.org Sat Oct 3 12:33:08 2009 From: hal at drxyzzy.org (Hal Snyder) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 11:33:08 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Why be on this list if... In-Reply-To: <01CA4417.D747BD60.rmigalla@earthlink.net> References: <01CA4417.D747BD60.rmigalla@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <080BD226-65A9-4CE3-8A55-7A00F35C56F6@drxyzzy.org> Robin, I had a similar experience. It wasn't just WTC 7 or even 9/11. When I started waking up and looking around at what was going on, it was like being punched in the stomach every day. For me it was the double hit of 1) serious problems and 2) people around me refusing to look. It was like waking up inside a remake of Invasion of the Body Snatchers or They Live. We are not (merely) rational beings. When a dialogue impacts a person's fundamental belief system, how he/she responds will depend on framing and subtext and allegiances and so on - that is why you will see people in a town hall cheering for one thing one moment and something completely contradictory the next, and why people on Fox can get away with contradicting themselves day after day. There is a positive side. For the past year I've been doing a lot of organizing around health care reform. You might agree or disagree with my stand, but I would not have traded this time for anything. It has been an opportunity to see people - literally, hundreds of my neighbors - emerge from isolation and frustration and realize they are not facing things alone, they are not powerless. There is something profoundly uplifting about people coming together, working on ways to make our society more compassionate and focusing on creating a better future for all of us. On Oct 3, 2009, at 10:54 AM, Robin Migalla wrote: > Hi Chuck, > > I really hear your frustration in this message. I, too, have suffered > terrible despair over the way things have been going. When I first > woke up > to the whole building 7 thing, I spent almost an entire year either in > frantic chicken little ravings or despairing episodes of depression > that > kept me on my couch for weeks. The same year I awoke, I lost my > brother > who was my best friend in all the world, and the last of my nuclear > family > on this earth. It was quite a lonely period in my life. And the > absolute > worst part of it was my husband wouldn't even consider looking at the > evidence. Not even in my own home and family, in my closest and most > intimate relationship, could I get a listening, compassionate ear > for the > distress my awakening caused. > > I'm glad that stage is behind me now, and funny thing is since I've > come to > terms with my husband's inability to even entertain the idea there > was some > funny business happening on September 11, 2001, I really am feeling > a lot > more hopeful. I sincerely believe that the end of deception is upon > us. > Here's a link to an article I found very helpful: > > http://www.world-of-wisdom.com/blog/belief-systems-and-their-consequence > s/24/#more-24 > > I hope the astrology stuff doesn't scare you too much, to consider the > points that Adrian is making. > > I've also been meaning to reply to your post about the alien > discovery in > Cerro Azul, Panama. I participate in several groups who are focused > on > planetary ascension. Many of the people in these groups claim to have > relationships with extra terrestrials and often share messages they > believe > are coming from them. If you haven't read "From elsewhere : being > E.T. in > America" by Scott Mendelker, I encourage you to do so. Many of the > messages of late have been telling us that there are going to be > more and > more incidences of these extra terrestrials trying to make contact > with us. > > It's a shame that the teens became so fearful they felt they had to > kill > the creature. Of course isn't that the way of the world these days > - our > fear driving our madness? I'm not surprised, but I am saddened by > it. The > creature doesn't appear to be something capable of overpowering a > group of > healthy teenagers. If their fear hadn't taken over, perhaps they > could > have subdued rather than killed the creature and we could have learned > something. > > Anyway, the older I get the more I realize truth is a very relative > thing. > I do believe, however, there are a few universal truths on which we > can > rely. I believe one of them to be that there really is a loving > Creator > which has our very best interests at heart and in mind, and if we > can calm > our fears enough to hear the still small voice we carry within our own > being given us by that Creator, we might just get a glimpse of a new > and > better world and begin to manifest that. > > I also want to express my gratitude to you for your very well > thought out > and thought provoking posts. It has been through your posts, I have > been > able to let go of some of my staunch libertarian views and to see > the value > in certain public enterprises. I'm not yet sure health care ought > to be > one of them; especially, given that my view of the current corporate > controlled system is killing us, but I do think I'm starting to see > there > might be a way of doing this. Did you know that the very first > hospital on > our continent was established by Benjamin Franklin as a means of > caring for > the homeless sick and mentally ill folks on the streets of > Philadelphia. I > think good ole Ben was onto something, and I think it was by no > accident > that it was a public enterprise and not a corporate controlled profit > center. > > Thanks for listening, > Robin > www.healthforlifecoloncare.com > www.traditionalnutrition.org > www.ppnf.org > "Let thy food be thy medicine and thy medicine be thy food." > --Hippocrates (460-377 B.C.) > Just be careful how you define food ;-) > > "The purpose of medicine is to amuse the patient until nature > effects a > cure." > -- Voltaire (1694-1778) > > "Doctors pour medicines of which they know little to cure diseases > of which > they no less into humans of which they know nothing." > -- Voltaire (1694-1778) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Minne [SMTP:mincam2 at yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 17:36 > To: September 11 List 2; Connie Smith > Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] Why be on this list if... > > Connie, I am on this list because I want to know the truth (or at > least > what others perceive it to be.) I'm not sure that I ever will. In > fact, I > don't think it is entirely possible. I'd be happy if I thought I came > reasonably close. > > Before 911, I actually thought it was possible to be fairly well > informed. > However, 911 has made me almost a complete an unbeliever. I feel > confident > that schoolbooks of 2020 will be full of lies. So why not the > schoolbooks > of 1990? 1890? etc.? > > I belong to Architects & Engineers for 911 Truth. Their goal is to > enlighten Congress. When talking to one of their organizers, I > asked, "What > makes you think Congress is on our side?" She had no answer. > > I have come to the conclusion that people do not want to know the > "truth," > or if they already do, they don't want to admit it. I truly hope I am > wrong, and that you can prove me so. > > It is my guess that we are the work of aliens - but damned if I know > or > even believe that. And that goes for just about everything. > > I think our world revolves about greed - but that is just another > guess. > > Tell me I'm wrong about any of this. that's fine with me - maybe > I'll learn > something. Which is why I am here. > > > > AMY GOODMAN: We're talking to Wendell Potter. For twenty years he > was an > executive at CIGNA and Humana. Most importantly, in the years at > CIGNA, he > was their chief corporate spokesperson, but has left to blow the > whistle on > insurance companies. > > WENDELL POTTER: Well, clearly, this senator [Chuck Grassley] has the > insurance industry's best interests at heart, not the American > public and > not his constituents. > > He has said that he didn't think a public plan would be fair, compete > fairly with insurance companies who-the private insurance industry. > I'd > like to ask him what is fair about the way that the insurance > industries > operate today, the companies that dump sick people when they need > insurance > most. What is fair about the way the insurance industry operates, > Senator > Grassley? > > AMY GOODMAN: Forty-five million new customers, that's what the private > insurance companies can now look forward to, if a bill like what > came out > of the Senate Finance Committee moves forward with the mandate. > Explain how > they will make out and how important, how significant, how > profitable this > is for the for-profit companies. > > WENDELL POTTER: Yeah, this is the first time that the insurance > industry > has really seen great opportunity in healthcare reform, with an > individual > mandate, which would require all of us to buy insurance if we are not > eligible for a public, government-run program, which, fortunately, > many > people are. We would have to buy it in the private market from > insurance > companies, many of whom-many of which are for-profit companies. We > would > not have the option of buying or getting insurance through a > government-run > program like the public option would create. > > So, not only would our premium dollars go into this-into the private > insurance industry, but a lot of tax dollars would. Most people who > don't > have insurance can't afford it, and they wouldn't be able to afford it > after healthcare reform is passed without the government subsidizing > their > premiums. So billions and billions of taxpayers' dollars will flow > right > into the treasuries of these big for-profit insurance companies. So > we will > be essentially paying a tax that will help support these insurance > companies. It will be an enormous bailout of the health insurance > industry. > > --- On Fri, 10/2/09, Connie Smith wrote: > > > From: Connie Smith > Subject: [CitizensTruth] Why be on this list if... > To: "September 11 List 2" > Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 5:05 PM > > Regarding a few comments that are going around, pertaining to the NY > ballot > efforts, Daniel Sunjata, etc: > > Why on earth would anyone be on a 9/11 Truth list if they doubt the > truth > WILL break through? One comment was an overt demoralization attempt > -- > which is like attempted sabotage. The other was all about confusion > -- > which at very least, isn't helpful. > > Of course there's mythology in our history, but the good stories > aren't the > problem. America does have a foundation of ideals, and there are > healthy > kernels of truth and goodness even if some events are exaggerated. > > The problem comes in with lack of truth about the "bad" stories -- > lack of > awareness of how brutal and arrogant many US policies actually have > been > and continue to be. > > America: all good, no bad -- this has been the LIE unconscionably > taught > to us, to generations of schoolchildren. This is what has most > Americans > living in the matrix of ignorance -- and why the perpetrators of > 9/11 were > pretty sure they could get away with it. > > But I'm convinced the unprecedented level of global awareness and > activism > are reaching critical mass -- and ALL the lies -- especially about > history > and religion -- are soon going to come rushing out in a tsunami of > truth. > Our main task then is to help people adjust -- as we have had to do > -- to > the shock. And then to help build an entirely new and shining > future based > on good-hearted realism instead of the evil agendas humanity has > long been > suffering. > > Connie From mincam2 at yahoo.com Sat Oct 3 13:12:57 2009 From: mincam2 at yahoo.com (Chuck Minne) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 10:12:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CitizensTruth] Why be on this list if... Message-ID: <338988.18587.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Robin, I am pretty sure that the Panama "alien" was a sloth which lost it's hair by being in the water so long, and then decaying gasses distended it stomach. If you go to the photos in some of the links you can see the claws on all four of its feet. The article mentioned the "Montauk Monster" and you might Google it - that turned out to be a raccoon. Here is a link about the Panama sloth: ? http://www.livescience.com/common/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2204 ? I apologize for not doing my research until after I posted. ? Re: 911? I consider myself very lucky in having many family members who agree with me on 911. In fact my daughter and her husband were the ones that led me to it in the first place - to my initial incredulity. My son, a dispassionate scientist, and his in-laws even saw the light. So that really helps me. A lot. My sister won't even consider the idea. ? Our planet is finite. Capitalism requires infinite growth. Capitalism can't grow with a shrinking population. We must shrink our population to survive. Yada, yada, yada. ? ? AMY GOODMAN: We?re talking to Wendell Potter. For twenty years he was an executive at CIGNA and Humana. Most importantly, in the years at CIGNA, he was their chief corporate spokesperson, but has left to blow the whistle on insurance companies. ? WENDELL POTTER: Well, clearly, this senator [Chuck Grassley] has the insurance industry?s best interests at heart, not the American public and not his constituents. ? He has said that he didn?t think a public plan would be fair, compete fairly with insurance companies who?the private insurance industry. I?d like to ask him what is fair about the way that the insurance industries operate today, the companies that dump sick people when they need insurance most. What is fair about the way the insurance industry operates, Senator Grassley? ? AMY GOODMAN: Forty-five million new customers, that?s what the private insurance companies can now look forward to, if a bill like what came out of the Senate Finance Committee moves forward with the mandate. Explain how they will make out and how important, how significant, how profitable this is for the for-profit companies. ? WENDELL POTTER: Yeah, this is the first time that the insurance industry has really seen great opportunity in healthcare reform, with an individual mandate, which would require all of us to buy insurance if we are not eligible for a public, government-run program, which, fortunately, many people are. We would have to buy it in the private market from insurance companies, many of whom?many of which are for-profit companies. We would not have the option of buying or getting insurance through a government-run program like the public option would create. ? So, not only would our premium dollars go into this?into the private insurance industry, but a lot of tax dollars would. Most people who don?t have insurance can?t afford it, and they wouldn?t be able to afford it after healthcare reform is passed without the government subsidizing their premiums. So billions and billions of taxpayers? dollars will flow right into the treasuries of these big for-profit insurance companies. So we will be essentially paying a tax that will help support these insurance companies. It will be an enormous bailout of the health insurance industry. --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Robin Migalla wrote: From: Robin Migalla Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] Why be on this list if... To: "Citizens Truth (E-mail)" Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 10:54 AM Hi Chuck, I really hear your frustration in this message.? I, too, have suffered terrible despair over the way things have been going.? When I first woke up to the whole building 7 thing, I spent almost an entire year either in frantic chicken little ravings or despairing episodes of depression that kept me on my couch for weeks.? The same year I awoke, I lost my brother who was my best friend in all the world, and the last of my nuclear family on this earth.? It was quite a lonely period in my life.? And the absolute worst part of it was my husband wouldn't even consider looking at the evidence.? Not even in my own home and family, in my closest and most intimate relationship, could I get a listening, compassionate ear for the distress my awakening caused. I'm glad that stage is behind me now, and funny thing is since I've come to terms with my husband's inability to even entertain the idea there was some funny business happening on September 11, 2001, I really am feeling a lot more hopeful.? I sincerely believe that the end of deception is upon us. Here's a link to an article I found very helpful: http://www.world-of-wisdom.com/blog/belief-systems-and-their-consequence? s/24/#more-24 I hope the astrology stuff doesn't scare you too much, to consider the points that Adrian is making. I've also been meaning to reply to your post about the alien discovery in Cerro Azul, Panama.? I participate in several groups who are focused on planetary ascension.? Many of the people in these groups claim to have relationships with extra terrestrials and often share messages they believe are coming from them.? If you haven't read "From elsewhere : being E.T. in America" by Scott Mendelker, I encourage you to do so.? Many of the messages of late have been telling us that there are going to be more and more incidences of these extra terrestrials trying to make contact with us. It's a shame that the teens became so fearful they felt they had to kill the creature.? Of course isn't that the way of the world these days - our fear driving our madness?? I'm not surprised, but I am saddened by it.? The creature doesn't appear to be something capable of overpowering a group of healthy teenagers.? If their fear hadn't taken over, perhaps they could have subdued rather than killed the creature and we could have learned something. Anyway, the older I get the more I realize truth is a very relative thing. I do believe, however, there are a few universal truths on which we can rely.? I believe one of them to be that there really is a loving Creator which has our very best interests at heart and in mind, and if we can calm our fears enough to hear the still small voice we carry within our own being given us by that Creator, we might just get a glimpse of a new and better world and begin to manifest that. I also want to express my gratitude to you for your very well thought out and thought provoking posts.? It has been through your posts, I have been able to let go of some of my staunch libertarian views and to see the value in certain public enterprises.? I'm not yet sure health care ought to be one of them; especially, given that my view of the current corporate controlled system is killing us, but I do think I'm starting to see there might be a way of doing this.? Did you know that the very first hospital on our continent was established by Benjamin Franklin as a means of caring for the homeless sick and mentally ill folks on the streets of Philadelphia.? I think good ole Ben was onto something, and I think it was by no accident that it was a public enterprise and not a corporate controlled profit center. Thanks for listening, Robin www.healthforlifecoloncare.com www.traditionalnutrition.org www.ppnf.org "Let thy food be thy medicine and thy medicine be thy food." ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???--Hippocrates? (460-377 B.C.) ? ? ? ? ? ? Just be careful how you define food ;-) "The purpose of medicine is to amuse the patient until nature effects a cure." ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -- Voltaire (1694-1778) "Doctors pour medicines of which they know little to cure diseases of which ? ???they no less into humans of which they know nothing." ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -- Voltaire (1694-1778) -----Original Message----- From:??? Chuck Minne [SMTP:mincam2 at yahoo.com] Sent:??? Friday, October 02, 2009 17:36 To:??? September 11 List 2; Connie Smith Subject:??? Re: [CitizensTruth] Why be on this list if... Connie, I am on this list because I want to know the truth (or at least what others perceive it to be.) I'm not sure that I ever will. In fact, I don't think it is entirely possible. I'd be happy if I thought I came reasonably close. Before 911, I actually thought it was possible to be fairly well informed. However, 911 has made me almost a complete an unbeliever. I feel confident that schoolbooks of 2020 will be full of lies. So why not the schoolbooks of 1990? 1890? etc.? I belong to Architects & Engineers for 911 Truth. Their goal is to enlighten Congress. When talking to one of their organizers, I asked, "What makes you think Congress is on our side?" She had no answer. I have come to the conclusion that people do not want to know the "truth," or if they already do, they don't want to admit it. I truly hope I am wrong, and that you can prove me so. It is my guess that we are the work of aliens - but damned if I know or even believe that. And that goes for just about everything. I think our world revolves about greed - but that is just another guess. Tell me I'm wrong about any of this. that's fine with me - maybe I'll learn something. Which is why I am here. AMY GOODMAN: We're talking to Wendell Potter. For twenty years he was an executive at CIGNA and Humana. Most importantly, in the years at CIGNA, he was their chief corporate spokesperson, but has left to blow the whistle on insurance companies. WENDELL POTTER: Well, clearly, this senator [Chuck Grassley] has the insurance industry's best interests at heart, not the American public and not his constituents. He has said that he didn't think a public plan would be fair, compete fairly with insurance companies who-the private insurance industry. I'd like to ask him what is fair about the way that the insurance industries operate today, the companies that dump sick people when they need insurance most. What is fair about the way the insurance industry operates, Senator Grassley? AMY GOODMAN: Forty-five million new customers, that's what the private insurance companies can now look forward to, if a bill like what came out of the Senate Finance Committee moves forward with the mandate. Explain how they will make out and how important, how significant, how profitable this is for the for-profit companies. WENDELL POTTER: Yeah, this is the first time that the insurance industry has really seen great opportunity in healthcare reform, with an individual mandate, which would require all of us to buy insurance if we are not eligible for a public, government-run program, which, fortunately, many people are. We would have to buy it in the private market from insurance companies, many of whom-many of which are for-profit companies. We would not have the option of buying or getting insurance through a government-run program like the public option would create. So, not only would our premium dollars go into this-into the private insurance industry, but a lot of tax dollars would. Most people who don't have insurance can't afford it, and they wouldn't be able to afford it after healthcare reform is passed without the government subsidizing their premiums. So billions and billions of taxpayers' dollars will flow right into the treasuries of these big for-profit insurance companies. So we will be essentially paying a tax that will help support these insurance companies. It will be an enormous bailout of the health insurance industry. --- On Fri, 10/2/09, Connie Smith wrote: From: Connie Smith Subject: [CitizensTruth] Why be on this list if... To: "September 11 List 2" Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 5:05 PM Regarding a few comments that are going around, pertaining to the NY ballot efforts, Daniel Sunjata, etc: Why on earth would anyone be on a 9/11 Truth list if they doubt the truth WILL break through?? One comment was an overt demoralization attempt -- which is like attempted sabotage.? The other was all about confusion -- which at very least, isn't helpful. Of course there's mythology in our history, but the good stories aren't the problem. America does have a foundation of ideals, and there are healthy kernels of truth and goodness even if some events are exaggerated. The problem comes in with lack of truth about the "bad" stories -- lack of awareness of how brutal and arrogant many US policies actually have been and continue to be. America:? all good, no bad -- this has been the LIE unconscionably taught to us, to generations of schoolchildren.? This is what has most Americans living in the matrix of ignorance -- and why the perpetrators of 9/11 were pretty sure they could get away with it. But I'm convinced the unprecedented level of global awareness and activism are reaching critical mass -- and ALL the lies -- especially about history and religion -- are soon going to come rushing out in a tsunami of truth. Our main task then is to help people adjust -- as we have had to do -- to the shock.? And then to help build an entirely new and shining future based on good-hearted realism instead of the evil agendas humanity has long been suffering. Connie -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ CitizensTruth mailing list CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth website: http://citizenstruth.info _______________________________________________ CitizensTruth mailing list CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth website: http://citizenstruth.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com Sat Oct 3 15:46:51 2009 From: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com (Geri Perry) Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 14:46:51 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Why be on this list if... In-Reply-To: <080BD226-65A9-4CE3-8A55-7A00F35C56F6@drxyzzy.org> References: <01CA4417.D747BD60.rmigalla@earthlink.net> <080BD226-65A9-4CE3-8A55-7A00F35C56F6@drxyzzy.org> Message-ID: <4AC7AA2B.8020803@thetwofacesofmoney.com> Yep, We are not merely rational beings. So, it does seem that "when the student is ready the teacher will appear". With respect to health care - or what I call sickness care which has been so craftily devised to support agribusiness, big-pharma and the insurance industries - what has recently gone on in the public debate is not even about said "health/sickness" care but rather it is about "insurance care" as Dennis Kucinich dubbed it. This is absolutely criminal IMO. In an important way I agree with Robin that health care, especially as now understood, should be carefully considered from every possible angle BEFORE it becomes a "public project". This cautionary approach does recognize the fact that - if we are to believe opinion polls and in this case I do - the overwhelming majority of Americans support some kind of "reform". Unfortunately this support may speak more to psychological and physical dependence on bad food and toxic drugs than to a desire and outright NEED for REAL health care. The main stumbling blocks and sources for confusion for most people include the fact that some (like myself) are adamantly opposed to big government deciding which treatments and monetary payments pass "muster" or are REQUIRED, as in vaccines and more, much more. Another problem has to do with "how to pay for it all". Both of these problems MUST be addressed before we can come to a workable, truly equitable, long term solution. One of the many outstanding features of the original Kucinich plan was that it provided for FREEDOM OF CHOICE FOR TREATMENT, AND FREEDOM OF CHOICE OF PROVIDER - INCLUDING NATURAL REMEDIES AND SUPPLEMENTS. His original plan also took insurance companies out of the equation, using the Medicare system as the conduit. This in large measure created "health care for people not for profits" as the 30% or so overhead going to insurance companies was eliminated. However, it still allowed for a certain amount of government interference with individual situations not to mention plenty of "waste, fraud and abuse", if the record of Medicare is any guide. Just as problematic is that - currently - in order for our government to be able to offer "universal health care" or even assistance to those who cannot afford to pay for health insurance - the government will HAVE to borrow and/or raise taxes, charge fees, privatize more public assets on which more fees will be charged - and devise whatever other scheme they can in order to pay the interest on the old debt and the new debt. THAT affects ALL of us. Keep in mind also that other countries with single payer or universal health (sickness) care are drowning in debt, just like we are. Those systems are in other words crumbling. We need systemic change which will not leave out anyone, which will not layer on additional tax burdens but rather SUBSTANTIALLY REDUCE tax burdens, and which will remove a "higher authority" whether it be insurance companies, the medical industry or the government dictating to us what our choices are - and which will be structured so as to dramatically reduce the influence that big pharma, agribusiness and the insurance industry now exert over our individual choices. So-o-o in addition to reducing the debt load by insisting Congress do its Constitutional duty and create debt "free" money, we may want to rethink how best to design a program that gets the government as well as the insurance and medical industries out of the business of telling we the people what is covered, what is NOT covered, and how many hoops we have to jump through in order to access that coverage. Such a "public project" is Constitutional if structured properly. But at this juncture maybe not so desirable. Geraldine Perry Hal Snyder wrote: > Robin, I had a similar experience. It wasn't just WTC 7 or even 9/11. > When I started waking up and looking around at what was going on, it > was like being punched in the stomach every day. For me it was the > double hit of 1) serious problems and 2) people around me refusing to > look. It was like waking up inside a remake of Invasion of the Body > Snatchers or They Live. > > We are not (merely) rational beings. When a dialogue impacts a > person's fundamental belief system, how he/she responds will depend on > framing and subtext and allegiances and so on - that is why you will > see people in a town hall cheering for one thing one moment and > something completely contradictory the next, and why people on Fox can > get away with contradicting themselves day after day. > > There is a positive side. For the past year I've been doing a lot of > organizing around health care reform. You might agree or disagree with > my stand, but I would not have traded this time for anything. It has > been an opportunity to see people - literally, hundreds of my > neighbors - emerge from isolation and frustration and realize they are > not facing things alone, they are not powerless. There is something > profoundly uplifting about people coming together, working on ways to > make our society more compassionate and focusing on creating a better > future for all of us. > > On Oct 3, 2009, at 10:54 AM, Robin Migalla wrote: > >> Hi Chuck, >> >> I really hear your frustration in this message. I, too, have suffered >> terrible despair over the way things have been going. When I first >> woke up >> to the whole building 7 thing, I spent almost an entire year either in >> frantic chicken little ravings or despairing episodes of depression that >> kept me on my couch for weeks. The same year I awoke, I lost my brother >> who was my best friend in all the world, and the last of my nuclear >> family >> on this earth. It was quite a lonely period in my life. And the >> absolute >> worst part of it was my husband wouldn't even consider looking at the >> evidence. Not even in my own home and family, in my closest and most >> intimate relationship, could I get a listening, compassionate ear for >> the >> distress my awakening caused. >> >> I'm glad that stage is behind me now, and funny thing is since I've >> come to >> terms with my husband's inability to even entertain the idea there >> was some >> funny business happening on September 11, 2001, I really am feeling a >> lot >> more hopeful. I sincerely believe that the end of deception is upon us. >> Here's a link to an article I found very helpful: >> >> http://www.world-of-wisdom.com/blog/belief-systems-and-their-consequence >> s/24/#more-24 >> >> I hope the astrology stuff doesn't scare you too much, to consider the >> points that Adrian is making. >> >> I've also been meaning to reply to your post about the alien >> discovery in >> Cerro Azul, Panama. I participate in several groups who are focused on >> planetary ascension. Many of the people in these groups claim to have >> relationships with extra terrestrials and often share messages they >> believe >> are coming from them. If you haven't read "From elsewhere : being >> E.T. in >> America" by Scott Mendelker, I encourage you to do so. Many of the >> messages of late have been telling us that there are going to be more >> and >> more incidences of these extra terrestrials trying to make contact >> with us. >> >> It's a shame that the teens became so fearful they felt they had to kill >> the creature. Of course isn't that the way of the world these days - >> our >> fear driving our madness? I'm not surprised, but I am saddened by >> it. The >> creature doesn't appear to be something capable of overpowering a >> group of >> healthy teenagers. If their fear hadn't taken over, perhaps they could >> have subdued rather than killed the creature and we could have learned >> something. >> >> Anyway, the older I get the more I realize truth is a very relative >> thing. >> I do believe, however, there are a few universal truths on which we can >> rely. I believe one of them to be that there really is a loving Creator >> which has our very best interests at heart and in mind, and if we can >> calm >> our fears enough to hear the still small voice we carry within our own >> being given us by that Creator, we might just get a glimpse of a new and >> better world and begin to manifest that. >> >> I also want to express my gratitude to you for your very well thought >> out >> and thought provoking posts. It has been through your posts, I have >> been >> able to let go of some of my staunch libertarian views and to see the >> value >> in certain public enterprises. I'm not yet sure health care ought to be >> one of them; especially, given that my view of the current corporate >> controlled system is killing us, but I do think I'm starting to see >> there >> might be a way of doing this. Did you know that the very first >> hospital on >> our continent was established by Benjamin Franklin as a means of >> caring for >> the homeless sick and mentally ill folks on the streets of >> Philadelphia. I >> think good ole Ben was onto something, and I think it was by no accident >> that it was a public enterprise and not a corporate controlled profit >> center. >> >> Thanks for listening, >> Robin >> www.healthforlifecoloncare.com >> www.traditionalnutrition.org >> www.ppnf.org >> "Let thy food be thy medicine and thy medicine be thy food." >> --Hippocrates (460-377 B.C.) >> Just be careful how you define food ;-) >> >> "The purpose of medicine is to amuse the patient until nature effects a >> cure." >> -- Voltaire (1694-1778) >> >> "Doctors pour medicines of which they know little to cure diseases of >> which >> they no less into humans of which they know nothing." >> -- Voltaire (1694-1778) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chuck Minne [SMTP:mincam2 at yahoo.com] >> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 17:36 >> To: September 11 List 2; Connie Smith >> Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] Why be on this list if... >> >> Connie, I am on this list because I want to know the truth (or at least >> what others perceive it to be.) I'm not sure that I ever will. In >> fact, I >> don't think it is entirely possible. I'd be happy if I thought I came >> reasonably close. >> >> Before 911, I actually thought it was possible to be fairly well >> informed. >> However, 911 has made me almost a complete an unbeliever. I feel >> confident >> that schoolbooks of 2020 will be full of lies. So why not the >> schoolbooks >> of 1990? 1890? etc.? >> >> I belong to Architects & Engineers for 911 Truth. Their goal is to >> enlighten Congress. When talking to one of their organizers, I asked, >> "What >> makes you think Congress is on our side?" She had no answer. >> >> I have come to the conclusion that people do not want to know the >> "truth," >> or if they already do, they don't want to admit it. I truly hope I am >> wrong, and that you can prove me so. >> >> It is my guess that we are the work of aliens - but damned if I know or >> even believe that. And that goes for just about everything. >> >> I think our world revolves about greed - but that is just another guess. >> >> Tell me I'm wrong about any of this. that's fine with me - maybe I'll >> learn >> something. Which is why I am here. >> >> >> >> AMY GOODMAN: We're talking to Wendell Potter. For twenty years he was an >> executive at CIGNA and Humana. Most importantly, in the years at >> CIGNA, he >> was their chief corporate spokesperson, but has left to blow the >> whistle on >> insurance companies. >> >> WENDELL POTTER: Well, clearly, this senator [Chuck Grassley] has the >> insurance industry's best interests at heart, not the American public >> and >> not his constituents. >> >> He has said that he didn't think a public plan would be fair, compete >> fairly with insurance companies who-the private insurance industry. I'd >> like to ask him what is fair about the way that the insurance industries >> operate today, the companies that dump sick people when they need >> insurance >> most. What is fair about the way the insurance industry operates, >> Senator >> Grassley? >> >> AMY GOODMAN: Forty-five million new customers, that's what the private >> insurance companies can now look forward to, if a bill like what came >> out >> of the Senate Finance Committee moves forward with the mandate. >> Explain how >> they will make out and how important, how significant, how profitable >> this >> is for the for-profit companies. >> >> WENDELL POTTER: Yeah, this is the first time that the insurance industry >> has really seen great opportunity in healthcare reform, with an >> individual >> mandate, which would require all of us to buy insurance if we are not >> eligible for a public, government-run program, which, fortunately, many >> people are. We would have to buy it in the private market from insurance >> companies, many of whom-many of which are for-profit companies. We would >> not have the option of buying or getting insurance through a >> government-run >> program like the public option would create. >> >> So, not only would our premium dollars go into this-into the private >> insurance industry, but a lot of tax dollars would. Most people who >> don't >> have insurance can't afford it, and they wouldn't be able to afford it >> after healthcare reform is passed without the government subsidizing >> their >> premiums. So billions and billions of taxpayers' dollars will flow right >> into the treasuries of these big for-profit insurance companies. So >> we will >> be essentially paying a tax that will help support these insurance >> companies. It will be an enormous bailout of the health insurance >> industry. >> >> --- On Fri, 10/2/09, Connie Smith wrote: >> >> >> From: Connie Smith >> Subject: [CitizensTruth] Why be on this list if... >> To: "September 11 List 2" >> Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 5:05 PM >> >> Regarding a few comments that are going around, pertaining to the NY >> ballot >> efforts, Daniel Sunjata, etc: >> >> Why on earth would anyone be on a 9/11 Truth list if they doubt the >> truth >> WILL break through? One comment was an overt demoralization attempt -- >> which is like attempted sabotage. The other was all about confusion -- >> which at very least, isn't helpful. >> >> Of course there's mythology in our history, but the good stories >> aren't the >> problem. America does have a foundation of ideals, and there are healthy >> kernels of truth and goodness even if some events are exaggerated. >> >> The problem comes in with lack of truth about the "bad" stories -- >> lack of >> awareness of how brutal and arrogant many US policies actually have been >> and continue to be. >> >> America: all good, no bad -- this has been the LIE unconscionably >> taught >> to us, to generations of schoolchildren. This is what has most >> Americans >> living in the matrix of ignorance -- and why the perpetrators of 9/11 >> were >> pretty sure they could get away with it. >> >> But I'm convinced the unprecedented level of global awareness and >> activism >> are reaching critical mass -- and ALL the lies -- especially about >> history >> and religion -- are soon going to come rushing out in a tsunami of >> truth. >> Our main task then is to help people adjust -- as we have had to do >> -- to >> the shock. And then to help build an entirely new and shining future >> based >> on good-hearted realism instead of the evil agendas humanity has long >> been >> suffering. >> >> Connie > _______________________________________________ > CitizensTruth mailing list > CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > website: http://citizenstruth.info From welaware at merr.com Sat Oct 3 21:04:00 2009 From: welaware at merr.com (Kris Knight) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 20:04:00 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Why be on this list if... In-Reply-To: <338988.18587.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <338988.18587.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <80F1589F-15B5-4C1A-8B55-AD313EBFD441@merr.com> I clearly remember when I found out about Dr. Len Horowitz' first book titled EMERGING VIRUSES..., long before 9-11. I read it and while reading it, with an overwhelming recognition that he is right, I went in to take a shower and basically collapsed from the reality sinking in. Just sobbed and sobbed. Was in bed for at least 2 days, but coming out of that and facing what is behind so much of what is going on in this country and elsewhere, I am stronger now. But it was hellacious. I then over time purchased and read/viewed all of his work. He now is the man who has filed an affidavit about 9-11 and so much more in New York, asking for a freeze on all H1N1 vaccinations until his affidavit allegations can be ruled out. He has connected it all, incl. Larry Silverstein and the pharmaceutical industry push for vaccines that in the end have really nothing to do with protecting people from the flu. Horowitz is a hero in my book. He is ruthless about trying to get the truth out. At this point re. 9-11, some people who deign to be after the whole truth and nothing but the truth are very compromised and it is a great disappointment to me. the logic appears to be that getting the country to back a partial truth about 9-11 is better than trying to get them to buy the whole truth, which perhaps is not yet fully known to any one person. But alot of it has been figured out. A lot. Sorting things out re. 9-11, ET's, multidimensionality, transitions linked to 2012, the profound bastardization of truth and facts, the incredible burgeoning of perversions of violence and sexuality, the dumbing down of so many in this country, the extraordinary nearly total lack of concern about the true epidemic of neurological conditions such as autism (now 1 in 38 boys have some version of this), ADD, ADHD, LD, chronic clumsiness, rampant sociopathy and psychopathy, and so much more, is nearly impossible at this point. We are so many of us at different levels of awareness, that for us to ever be able to move forward in unified directions seems an unreachable goal. Positive and loving group mind, one of the greatest powers in the universe, is struggling to stay afloat here, for sure. Hal, I am glad you have found some vehicle with which to bond with others around a common goal; it may help people feel more compelled to wake up about other things. I do, however, NOT agree that current directions of what is being called "health care reform" stand much chance at all of improving the conditions of health in this country. Hopefully the creativity stirred within people attending these gatherings is able to be nurtured and coaxed out of hiding...there is so much that is grand about humanity, after all... On Oct 3, 2009, at 12:12 PM, Chuck Minne wrote: > Robin, I am pretty sure that the Panama "alien" was a sloth which > lost it's hair by being in the water so long, and then decaying > gasses distended it stomach. If you go to the photos in some of the > links you can see the claws on all four of its feet. The article > mentioned the "Montauk Monster" and you might Google it - that > turned out to be a raccoon. Here is a link about the Panama sloth: > > http://www.livescience.com/common/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2204 > > > I apologize for not doing my research until after I posted. > > Re: 911 I consider myself very lucky in having many family members > who agree with me on 911. In fact my daughter and her husband were > the ones that led me to it in the first place - to my initial > incredulity. My son, a dispassionate scientist, and his in-laws even > saw the light. So that really helps me. A lot. My sister won't even > consider the idea. > > Our planet is finite. Capitalism requires infinite growth. > Capitalism can't grow with a shrinking population. We must shrink > our population to survive. Yada, yada, yada. > > > > AMY GOODMAN: We?re talking to Wendell Potter. For twenty years he > was an executive at CIGNA and Humana. Most importantly, in the years > at CIGNA, he was their chief corporate spokesperson, but has left to > blow the whistle on insurance companies. > > WENDELL POTTER: Well, clearly, this senator [Chuck Grassley] has the > insurance industry?s best interests at heart, not the American > public and not his constituents. > > He has said that he didn?t think a public plan would be fair, > compete fairly with insurance companies who?the private insurance > industry. I?d like to ask him what is fair about the way that the > insurance industries operate today, the companies that dump sick > people when they need insurance most. What is fair about the way the > insurance industry operates, Senator Grassley? > > AMY GOODMAN: Forty-five million new customers, that?s what the > private insurance companies can now look forward to, if a bill like > what came out of the Senate Finance Committee moves forward with the > mandate. Explain how they will make out and how important, how > significant, how profitable this is for the for-profit companies. > > WENDELL POTTER: Yeah, this is the first time that the insurance > industry has really seen great opportunity in healthcare reform, > with an individual mandate, which would require all of us to buy > insurance if we are not eligible for a public, government-run > program, which, fortunately, many people are. We would have to buy > it in the private market from insurance companies, many of whom?many > of which are for-profit companies. We would not have the option of > buying or getting insurance through a government-run program like > the public option would create. > > So, not only would our premium dollars go into this?into the private > insurance industry, but a lot of tax dollars would. Most people who > don?t have insurance can?t afford it, and they wouldn?t be able to > afford it after healthcare reform is passed without the government > subsidizing their premiums. So billions and billions of taxpayers? > dollars will flow right into the treasuries of these big for-profit > insurance companies. So we will be essentially paying a tax that > will help support these insurance companies. It will be an enormous > bailout of the health insurance industry. > > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Robin Migalla wrote: > > From: Robin Migalla > Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] Why be on this list if... > To: "Citizens Truth (E-mail)" > Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 10:54 AM > > Hi Chuck, > > I really hear your frustration in this message. I, too, have suffered > terrible despair over the way things have been going. When I first > woke up > to the whole building 7 thing, I spent almost an entire year either in > frantic chicken little ravings or despairing episodes of depression > that > kept me on my couch for weeks. The same year I awoke, I lost my > brother > who was my best friend in all the world, and the last of my nuclear > family > on this earth. It was quite a lonely period in my life. And the > absolute > worst part of it was my husband wouldn't even consider looking at the > evidence. Not even in my own home and family, in my closest and most > intimate relationship, could I get a listening, compassionate ear > for the > distress my awakening caused. > > I'm glad that stage is behind me now, and funny thing is since I've > come to > terms with my husband's inability to even entertain the idea there > was some > funny business happening on September 11, 2001, I really am feeling > a lot > more hopeful. I sincerely believe that the end of deception is upon > us. > Here's a link to an article I found very helpful: > > http://www.world-of-wisdom.com/blog/belief-systems-and-their-consequence > s/24/#more-24 > > I hope the astrology stuff doesn't scare you too much, to consider the > points that Adrian is making. > > I've also been meaning to reply to your post about the alien > discovery in > Cerro Azul, Panama. I participate in several groups who are focused > on > planetary ascension. Many of the people in these groups claim to have > relationships with extra terrestrials and often share messages they > believe > are coming from them. If you haven't read "From elsewhere : being > E.T. in > America" by Scott Mendelker, I encourage you to do so. Many of the > messages of late have been telling us that there are going to be > more and > more incidences of these extra terrestrials trying to make contact > with us. > > It's a shame that the teens became so fearful they felt they had to > kill > the creature. Of course isn't that the way of the world these days > - our > fear driving our madness? I'm not surprised, but I am saddened by > it. The > creature doesn't appear to be something capable of overpowering a > group of > healthy teenagers. If their fear hadn't taken over, perhaps they > could > have subdued rather than killed the creature and we could have learned > something. > > Anyway, the older I get the more I realize truth is a very relative > thing. > I do believe, however, there are a few universal truths on which we > can > rely. I believe one of them to be that there really is a loving > Creator > which has our very best interests at heart and in mind, and if we > can calm > our fears enough to hear the still small voice we carry within our own > being given us by that Creator, we might just get a glimpse of a new > and > better world and begin to manifest that. > > I also want to express my gratitude to you for your very well > thought out > and thought provoking posts. It has been through your posts, I have > been > able to let go of some of my staunch libertarian views and to see > the value > in certain public enterprises. I'm not yet sure health care ought > to be > one of them; especially, given that my view of the current corporate > controlled system is killing us, but I do think I'm starting to see > there > might be a way of doing this. Did you know that the very first > hospital on > our continent was established by Benjamin Franklin as a means of > caring for > the homeless sick and mentally ill folks on the streets of > Philadelphia. I > think good ole Ben was onto something, and I think it was by no > accident > that it was a public enterprise and not a corporate controlled profit > center. > > Thanks for listening, > Robin > www.healthforlifecoloncare.com > www.traditionalnutrition.org > www.ppnf.org > "Let thy food be thy medicine and thy medicine be thy food." > --Hippocrates (460-377 B.C.) > Just be careful how you define food ;-) > > "The purpose of medicine is to amuse the patient until nature > effects a > cure." > -- Voltaire (1694-1778) > > "Doctors pour medicines of which they know little to cure diseases > of which > they no less into humans of which they know nothing." > -- Voltaire (1694-1778) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Minne [SMTP:mincam2 at yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 17:36 > To: September 11 List 2; Connie Smith > Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] Why be on this list if... > > Connie, I am on this list because I want to know the truth (or at > least > what others perceive it to be.) I'm not sure that I ever will. In > fact, I > don't think it is entirely possible. I'd be happy if I thought I came > reasonably close. > > Before 911, I actually thought it was possible to be fairly well > informed. > However, 911 has made me almost a complete an unbeliever. I feel > confident > that schoolbooks of 2020 will be full of lies. So why not the > schoolbooks > of 1990? 1890? etc.? > > I belong to Architects & Engineers for 911 Truth. Their goal is to > enlighten Congress. When talking to one of their organizers, I > asked, "What > makes you think Congress is on our side?" She had no answer. > > I have come to the conclusion that people do not want to know the > "truth," > or if they already do, they don't want to admit it. I truly hope I am > wrong, and that you can prove me so. > > It is my guess that we are the work of aliens - but damned if I know > or > even believe that. And that goes for just about everything. > > I think our world revolves about greed - but that is just another > guess. > > Tell me I'm wrong about any of this. that's fine with me - maybe > I'll learn > something. Which is why I am here. > > > > AMY GOODMAN: We're talking to Wendell Potter. For twenty years he > was an > executive at CIGNA and Humana. Most importantly, in the years at > CIGNA, he > was their chief corporate spokesperson, but has left to blow the > whistle on > insurance companies. > > WENDELL POTTER: Well, clearly, this senator [Chuck Grassley] has the > insurance industry's best interests at heart, not the American > public and > not his constituents. > > He has said that he didn't think a public plan would be fair, compete > fairly with insurance companies who-the private insurance industry. > I'd > like to ask him what is fair about the way that the insurance > industries > operate today, the companies that dump sick people when they need > insurance > most. What is fair about the way the insurance industry operates, > Senator > Grassley? > > AMY GOODMAN: Forty-five million new customers, that's what the private > insurance companies can now look forward to, if a bill like what > came out > of the Senate Finance Committee moves forward with the mandate. > Explain how > they will make out and how important, how significant, how > profitable this > is for the for-profit companies. > > WENDELL POTTER: Yeah, this is the first time that the insurance > industry > has really seen great opportunity in healthcare reform, with an > individual > mandate, which would require all of us to buy insurance if we are not > eligible for a public, government-run program, which, fortunately, > many > people are. We would have to buy it in the private market from > insurance > companies, many of whom-many of which are for-profit companies. We > would > not have the option of buying or getting insurance through a > government-run > program like the public option would create. > > So, not only would our premium dollars go into this-into the private > insurance industry, but a lot of tax dollars would. Most people who > don't > have insurance can't afford it, and they wouldn't be able to afford it > after healthcare reform is passed without the government subsidizing > their > premiums. So billions and billions of taxpayers' dollars will flow > right > into the treasuries of these big for-profit insurance companies. So > we will > be essentially paying a tax that will help support these insurance > companies. It will be an enormous bailout of the health insurance > industry. > > --- On Fri, 10/2/09, Connie Smith wrote: > > > From: Connie Smith > Subject: [CitizensTruth] Why be on this list if... > To: "September 11 List 2" > Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 5:05 PM > > > > > > > > Regarding a few comments that are going around, pertaining to the NY > ballot > efforts, Daniel Sunjata, etc: > > Why on earth would anyone be on a 9/11 Truth list if they doubt the > truth > WILL break through? One comment was an overt demoralization attempt > -- > which is like attempted sabotage. The other was all about confusion > -- > which at very least, isn't helpful. > > Of course there's mythology in our history, but the good stories > aren't the > problem. America does have a foundation of ideals, and there are > healthy > kernels of truth and goodness even if some events are exaggerated. > > The problem comes in with lack of truth about the "bad" stories -- > lack of > awareness of how brutal and arrogant many US policies actually have > been > and continue to be. > > America: all good, no bad -- this has been the LIE unconscionably > taught > to us, to generations of schoolchildren. This is what has most > Americans > living in the matrix of ignorance -- and why the perpetrators of > 9/11 were > pretty sure they could get away with it. > > But I'm convinced the unprecedented level of global awareness and > activism > are reaching critical mass -- and ALL the lies -- especially about > history > and religion -- are soon going to come rushing out in a tsunami of > truth. > Our main task then is to help people adjust -- as we have had to do > -- to > the shock. And then to help build an entirely new and shining > future based > on good-hearted realism instead of the evil agendas humanity has > long been > suffering. > > Connie > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > _______________________________________________ > CitizensTruth mailing list > CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > website: http://citizenstruth.info > > > > _______________________________________________ > CitizensTruth mailing list > CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > website: http://citizenstruth.info > > _______________________________________________ > CitizensTruth mailing list > CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > website: http://citizenstruth.info Kris Knight of WellAware Life Enhancement Center Phone: 1-608-ALL-LIFE welaware at merr.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From welaware at merr.com Sat Oct 3 21:21:15 2009 From: welaware at merr.com (Kris Knight) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 20:21:15 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Seems appropriate to offer this as one Message-ID: <6DF90EE9-0EE4-40A7-9E68-A1A39EDD7D17@merr.com> example of messages coming through in ways that help to uplift and keep my hope alive. Waking people up is both challenging but also very important, apparently. Unfortunately, I have all but given up on this, unless someones asks me a direct question that gives me an opening. and that's not very often yet, but a little more often than before... http://www.cosmicparadigm.com/Marks_Corner/ Kris Knight of WellAware Life Enhancement Center Phone: 1-608-ALL-LIFE welaware at merr.com From dimension04 at sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 4 11:18:02 2009 From: dimension04 at sbcglobal.net (Connie Smith) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 10:18:02 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Why be on this list if... In-Reply-To: <261284.53171.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <261284.53171.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Chuck, thank you for your response. I certainly do agree with you on the schoolbooks. I stated: "America: all good, no bad -- this has been the LIE unconscionably taught to us, to generations of schoolchildren. This is what has most Americans living in the matrix of ignorance..." The book, "Lies My Teacher Told Me," the works of former teacher John Taylor Gatto, and Howard Zinn's "A People's History..." are only a few of the revelations that totally support our frustration on this front. So yes, the textbooks are a given when it comes to distorting (and more often entirely omitting) the truth. Since 2002, many a night I have sat with tears streaming at the irrefutable Evil (evil men and women) who are behind all this. BUT there's an awakening going on, on earth -- which I think started with the Internet. Our global connectivity and 24/7 access to an ever-updating world library is a new force on our planet that the Liars didn't count on -- and are making helpless little stabs at controlling -- but I think it's too late for them. The duct tape and chewing gum with which they've been holding together their empire is starting to give way. This is a rough ride for all of us, but collapses of what IS are necessary for us to get to healthy constructs of what CAN BE. Not only are there mountains of hard evidence now pertaining to 9/11 -- such as the scientists' proof that nano-thermite was present in the towers, and 9/11 Commissioners one after another admitting the Report was based on not only incomplete (severely edited) testimony but also FALSE data from the White House, NORAD, etc -- but also, "unrelated" areas of research such as the books "Genie in Your Genes" and "Spontaneous Evolution" are proving that humanity itself is undergoing -- what I would call -- a positive mutation that is empowering human beings unlike anything ever seen before. In 1987, I had my own vision of 2012 before I ever heard all the fuss about it, and it was an ecstatic picture of "business-as-usual" going bye-bye (before I had any idea of how MUCH it needs to! Yes, the "end" of THAT world!) and being gloriously replaced by good-hearted, awakened human beings who live in peace and work on healthy methods for everything. Not an instant utopia, but a mega-shift from the dystopia we have suffered and suffered. So these are some of the reasons I'm convinced we are reaching a critical mass, and those terrible textbooks we've ALSO suffered are going to become the obsolete relics of a dark age. Just curious if you 're joking about aliens? I have reasons to believe we have some very good Big Brothers and Sisters interacting with us, reinforcing the quantum change we desire, via their advanced ethics AND technology. Sorry if I sounded like a critic before -- I've just been involved in 9/11 Truth since 2002, presenting lectures, etc. (Although not in most recent years because of too many family crises.) On one hand, it's frustrating that it all hasn't broken through to mainstream yet. On the other, I've watched the mountain of truth grow like a volcano cone. There's just no doubt that it is going to blow. And as soon as it does -- well, very few (Americans especially) will be able to live in appalling denial anymore. Sincerely, Connie ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Minne To: September 11 List 2 ; Connie Smith Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] Why be on this list if... Connie, I am on this list because I want to know the truth (or at least what others perceive it to be.) I'm not sure that I ever will. In fact, I don't think it is entirely possible. I'd be happy if I thought I came reasonably close. Before 911, I actually thought it was possible to be fairly well informed. However, 911 has made me almost a complete an unbeliever. I feel confident that schoolbooks of 2020 will be full of lies. So why not the schoolbooks of 1990? 1890? etc.? I belong to Architects & Engineers for 911 Truth. Their goal is to enlighten Congress. When talking to one of their organizers, I asked, "What makes you think Congress is on our side?" She had no answer. I have come to the conclusion that people do not want to know the "truth," or if they already do, they don't want to admit it. I truly hope I am wrong, and that you can prove me so. It is my guess that we are the work of aliens - but damned if I know or even believe that. And that goes for just about everything. I think our world revolves about greed - but that is just another guess. Tell me I'm wrong about any of this. that's fine with me - maybe I'll learn something. Which is why I am here. AMY GOODMAN: We?re talking to Wendell Potter. For twenty years he was an executive at CIGNA and Humana. Most importantly, in the years at CIGNA, he was their chief corporate spokesperson, but has left to blow the whistle on insurance companies. WENDELL POTTER: Well, clearly, this senator [Chuck Grassley] has the insurance industry?s best interests at heart, not the American public and not his constituents. He has said that he didn?t think a public plan would be fair, compete fairly with insurance companies who?the private insurance industry. I?d like to ask him what is fair about the way that the insurance industries operate today, the companies that dump sick people when they need insurance most. What is fair about the way the insurance industry operates, Senator Grassley? AMY GOODMAN: Forty-five million new customers, that?s what the private insurance companies can now look forward to, if a bill like what came out of the Senate Finance Committee moves forward with the mandate. Explain how they will make out and how important, how significant, how profitable this is for the for-profit companies. WENDELL POTTER: Yeah, this is the first time that the insurance industry has really seen great opportunity in healthcare reform, with an individual mandate, which would require all of us to buy insurance if we are not eligible for a public, government-run program, which, fortunately, many people are. We would have to buy it in the private market from insurance companies, many of whom?many of which are for-profit companies. We would not have the option of buying or getting insurance through a government-run program like the public option would create. So, not only would our premium dollars go into this?into the private insurance industry, but a lot of tax dollars would. Most people who don?t have insurance can?t afford it, and they wouldn?t be able to afford it after healthcare reform is passed without the government subsidizing their premiums. So billions and billions of taxpayers? dollars will flow right into the treasuries of these big for-profit insurance companies. So we will be essentially paying a tax that will help support these insurance companies. It will be an enormous bailout of the health insurance industry. --- On Fri, 10/2/09, Connie Smith wrote: From: Connie Smith Subject: [CitizensTruth] Why be on this list if... To: "September 11 List 2" Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 5:05 PM Regarding a few comments that are going around, pertaining to the NY ballot efforts, Daniel Sunjata, etc: Why on earth would anyone be on a 9/11 Truth list if they doubt the truth WILL break through? One comment was an overt demoralization attempt -- which is like attempted sabotage. The other was all about confusion -- which at very least, isn't helpful. Of course there's mythology in our history, but the good stories aren't the problem. America does have a foundation of ideals, and there are healthy kernels of truth and goodness even if some events are exaggerated. The problem comes in with lack of truth about the "bad" stories -- lack of awareness of how brutal and arrogant many US policies actually have been and continue to be. America: all good, no bad -- this has been the LIE unconscionably taught to us, to generations of schoolchildren. This is what has most Americans living in the matrix of ignorance -- and why the perpetrators of 9/11 were pretty sure they could get away with it. But I'm convinced the unprecedented level of global awareness and activism are reaching critical mass -- and ALL the lies -- especially about history and religion -- are soon going to come rushing out in a tsunami of truth. Our main task then is to help people adjust -- as we have had to do -- to the shock. And then to help build an entirely new and shining future based on good-hearted realism instead of the evil agendas humanity has long been suffering. Connie -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ CitizensTruth mailing list CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth website: http://citizenstruth.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dimension04 at sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 4 11:18:17 2009 From: dimension04 at sbcglobal.net (Connie Smith) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 10:18:17 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Why be on this list if... In-Reply-To: <01CA4417.D747BD60.rmigalla@earthlink.net> References: <01CA4417.D747BD60.rmigalla@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Thanks for sharing from your heart, Robin! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Migalla" To: "Citizens Truth (E-mail)" Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] Why be on this list if... > Hi Chuck, > > I really hear your frustration in this message. I, too, have suffered > terrible despair over the way things have been going. When I first woke > up > to the whole building 7 thing, I spent almost an entire year either in > frantic chicken little ravings or despairing episodes of depression that > kept me on my couch for weeks. The same year I awoke, I lost my brother > who was my best friend in all the world, and the last of my nuclear family > on this earth. It was quite a lonely period in my life. And the absolute > worst part of it was my husband wouldn't even consider looking at the > evidence. Not even in my own home and family, in my closest and most > intimate relationship, could I get a listening, compassionate ear for the > distress my awakening caused. > > I'm glad that stage is behind me now, and funny thing is since I've come > to > terms with my husband's inability to even entertain the idea there was > some > funny business happening on September 11, 2001, I really am feeling a lot > more hopeful. I sincerely believe that the end of deception is upon us. > Here's a link to an article I found very helpful: > > http://www.world-of-wisdom.com/blog/belief-systems-and-their-consequence > s/24/#more-24 > > I hope the astrology stuff doesn't scare you too much, to consider the > points that Adrian is making. > > I've also been meaning to reply to your post about the alien discovery in > Cerro Azul, Panama. I participate in several groups who are focused on > planetary ascension. Many of the people in these groups claim to have > relationships with extra terrestrials and often share messages they > believe > are coming from them. If you haven't read "From elsewhere : being E.T. in > America" by Scott Mendelker, I encourage you to do so. Many of the > messages of late have been telling us that there are going to be more and > more incidences of these extra terrestrials trying to make contact with > us. > > It's a shame that the teens became so fearful they felt they had to kill > the creature. Of course isn't that the way of the world these days - our > fear driving our madness? I'm not surprised, but I am saddened by it. > The > creature doesn't appear to be something capable of overpowering a group of > healthy teenagers. If their fear hadn't taken over, perhaps they could > have subdued rather than killed the creature and we could have learned > something. > > Anyway, the older I get the more I realize truth is a very relative thing. > I do believe, however, there are a few universal truths on which we can > rely. I believe one of them to be that there really is a loving Creator > which has our very best interests at heart and in mind, and if we can calm > our fears enough to hear the still small voice we carry within our own > being given us by that Creator, we might just get a glimpse of a new and > better world and begin to manifest that. > > I also want to express my gratitude to you for your very well thought out > and thought provoking posts. It has been through your posts, I have been > able to let go of some of my staunch libertarian views and to see the > value > in certain public enterprises. I'm not yet sure health care ought to be > one of them; especially, given that my view of the current corporate > controlled system is killing us, but I do think I'm starting to see there > might be a way of doing this. Did you know that the very first hospital > on > our continent was established by Benjamin Franklin as a means of caring > for > the homeless sick and mentally ill folks on the streets of Philadelphia. > I > think good ole Ben was onto something, and I think it was by no accident > that it was a public enterprise and not a corporate controlled profit > center. > > Thanks for listening, > Robin > www.healthforlifecoloncare.com > www.traditionalnutrition.org > www.ppnf.org > "Let thy food be thy medicine and thy medicine be thy food." > --Hippocrates (460-377 B.C.) > Just be careful how you define food ;-) > > "The purpose of medicine is to amuse the patient until nature effects a > cure." > -- Voltaire (1694-1778) > > "Doctors pour medicines of which they know little to cure diseases of > which > they no less into humans of which they know nothing." > -- Voltaire (1694-1778) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Minne [SMTP:mincam2 at yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 17:36 > To: September 11 List 2; Connie Smith > Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] Why be on this list if... > > Connie, I am on this list because I want to know the truth (or at least > what others perceive it to be.) I'm not sure that I ever will. In fact, I > don't think it is entirely possible. I'd be happy if I thought I came > reasonably close. > > Before 911, I actually thought it was possible to be fairly well informed. > However, 911 has made me almost a complete an unbeliever. I feel confident > that schoolbooks of 2020 will be full of lies. So why not the schoolbooks > of 1990? 1890? etc.? > > I belong to Architects & Engineers for 911 Truth. Their goal is to > enlighten Congress. When talking to one of their organizers, I asked, > "What > makes you think Congress is on our side?" She had no answer. > > I have come to the conclusion that people do not want to know the "truth," > or if they already do, they don't want to admit it. I truly hope I am > wrong, and that you can prove me so. > > It is my guess that we are the work of aliens - but damned if I know or > even believe that. And that goes for just about everything. > > I think our world revolves about greed - but that is just another guess. > > Tell me I'm wrong about any of this. that's fine with me - maybe I'll > learn > something. Which is why I am here. > > > > AMY GOODMAN: We're talking to Wendell Potter. For twenty years he was an > executive at CIGNA and Humana. Most importantly, in the years at CIGNA, he > was their chief corporate spokesperson, but has left to blow the whistle > on > insurance companies. > > WENDELL POTTER: Well, clearly, this senator [Chuck Grassley] has the > insurance industry's best interests at heart, not the American public and > not his constituents. > > He has said that he didn't think a public plan would be fair, compete > fairly with insurance companies who-the private insurance industry. I'd > like to ask him what is fair about the way that the insurance industries > operate today, the companies that dump sick people when they need > insurance > most. What is fair about the way the insurance industry operates, Senator > Grassley? > > AMY GOODMAN: Forty-five million new customers, that's what the private > insurance companies can now look forward to, if a bill like what came out > of the Senate Finance Committee moves forward with the mandate. Explain > how > they will make out and how important, how significant, how profitable this > is for the for-profit companies. > > WENDELL POTTER: Yeah, this is the first time that the insurance industry > has really seen great opportunity in healthcare reform, with an individual > mandate, which would require all of us to buy insurance if we are not > eligible for a public, government-run program, which, fortunately, many > people are. We would have to buy it in the private market from insurance > companies, many of whom-many of which are for-profit companies. We would > not have the option of buying or getting insurance through a > government-run > program like the public option would create. > > So, not only would our premium dollars go into this-into the private > insurance industry, but a lot of tax dollars would. Most people who don't > have insurance can't afford it, and they wouldn't be able to afford it > after healthcare reform is passed without the government subsidizing their > premiums. So billions and billions of taxpayers' dollars will flow right > into the treasuries of these big for-profit insurance companies. So we > will > be essentially paying a tax that will help support these insurance > companies. It will be an enormous bailout of the health insurance > industry. > > --- On Fri, 10/2/09, Connie Smith wrote: > > > From: Connie Smith > Subject: [CitizensTruth] Why be on this list if... > To: "September 11 List 2" > Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 5:05 PM > > > > > > > > Regarding a few comments that are going around, pertaining to the NY > ballot > efforts, Daniel Sunjata, etc: > > Why on earth would anyone be on a 9/11 Truth list if they doubt the truth > WILL break through? One comment was an overt demoralization attempt -- > which is like attempted sabotage. The other was all about confusion -- > which at very least, isn't helpful. > > Of course there's mythology in our history, but the good stories aren't > the > problem. America does have a foundation of ideals, and there are healthy > kernels of truth and goodness even if some events are exaggerated. > > The problem comes in with lack of truth about the "bad" stories -- lack of > awareness of how brutal and arrogant many US policies actually have been > and continue to be. > > America: all good, no bad -- this has been the LIE unconscionably taught > to us, to generations of schoolchildren. This is what has most Americans > living in the matrix of ignorance -- and why the perpetrators of 9/11 were > pretty sure they could get away with it. > > But I'm convinced the unprecedented level of global awareness and activism > are reaching critical mass -- and ALL the lies -- especially about history > and religion -- are soon going to come rushing out in a tsunami of truth. > Our main task then is to help people adjust -- as we have had to do -- to > the shock. And then to help build an entirely new and shining future > based > on good-hearted realism instead of the evil agendas humanity has long been > suffering. > > Connie > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > _______________________________________________ > CitizensTruth mailing list > CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > website: http://citizenstruth.info > > > > _______________________________________________ > CitizensTruth mailing list > CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > website: http://citizenstruth.info From dimension04 at sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 4 11:18:42 2009 From: dimension04 at sbcglobal.net (Connie Smith) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 10:18:42 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Why be on this list if... In-Reply-To: <338988.18587.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <338988.18587.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <58248CE6B6674A3F97858A207E1847DB@InspironConnie> Speaking of capitalism, the buzz is that Michael Moore's new movie on that subject has audience members streaming out of the theaters but not leaving the lobbies because total strangers are so excited with each other at the movie's disgusting, monumental, and even hilarious revelations. Moore is asking people to go see it NOW if it's near you, so that the numbers shake up the CEOs tomorrow. There are a LOT of locations in the Chicago area. http://www.capitalismalovestory.com/theaters/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Minne To: Citizens Truth (E-mail) Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] Why be on this list if... Robin, I am pretty sure that the Panama "alien" was a sloth which lost it's hair by being in the water so long, and then decaying gasses distended it stomach. If you go to the photos in some of the links you can see the claws on all four of its feet. The article mentioned the "Montauk Monster" and you might Google it - that turned out to be a raccoon. Here is a link about the Panama sloth: http://www.livescience.com/common/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2204 I apologize for not doing my research until after I posted. Re: 911 I consider myself very lucky in having many family members who agree with me on 911. In fact my daughter and her husband were the ones that led me to it in the first place - to my initial incredulity. My son, a dispassionate scientist, and his in-laws even saw the light. So that really helps me. A lot. My sister won't even consider the idea. Our planet is finite. Capitalism requires infinite growth. Capitalism can't grow with a shrinking population. We must shrink our population to survive. Yada, yada, yada. AMY GOODMAN: We?re talking to Wendell Potter. For twenty years he was an executive at CIGNA and Humana. Most importantly, in the years at CIGNA, he was their chief corporate spokesperson, but has left to blow the whistle on insurance companies. WENDELL POTTER: Well, clearly, this senator [Chuck Grassley] has the insurance industry?s best interests at heart, not the American public and not his constituents. He has said that he didn?t think a public plan would be fair, compete fairly with insurance companies who?the private insurance industry. I?d like to ask him what is fair about the way that the insurance industries operate today, the companies that dump sick people when they need insurance most. What is fair about the way the insurance industry operates, Senator Grassley? AMY GOODMAN: Forty-five million new customers, that?s what the private insurance companies can now look forward to, if a bill like what came out of the Senate Finance Committee moves forward with the mandate. Explain how they will make out and how important, how significant, how profitable this is for the for-profit companies. WENDELL POTTER: Yeah, this is the first time that the insurance industry has really seen great opportunity in healthcare reform, with an individual mandate, which would require all of us to buy insurance if we are not eligible for a public, government-run program, which, fortunately, many people are. We would have to buy it in the private market from insurance companies, many of whom?many of which are for-profit companies. We would not have the option of buying or getting insurance through a government-run program like the public option would create. So, not only would our premium dollars go into this?into the private insurance industry, but a lot of tax dollars would. Most people who don?t have insurance can?t afford it, and they wouldn?t be able to afford it after healthcare reform is passed without the government subsidizing their premiums. So billions and billions of taxpayers? dollars will flow right into the treasuries of these big for-profit insurance companies. So we will be essentially paying a tax that will help support these insurance companies. It will be an enormous bailout of the health insurance industry. --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Robin Migalla wrote: From: Robin Migalla Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] Why be on this list if... To: "Citizens Truth (E-mail)" Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 10:54 AM Hi Chuck, I really hear your frustration in this message. I, too, have suffered terrible despair over the way things have been going. When I first woke up to the whole building 7 thing, I spent almost an entire year either in frantic chicken little ravings or despairing episodes of depression that kept me on my couch for weeks. The same year I awoke, I lost my brother who was my best friend in all the world, and the last of my nuclear family on this earth. It was quite a lonely period in my life. And the absolute worst part of it was my husband wouldn't even consider looking at the evidence. Not even in my own home and family, in my closest and most intimate relationship, could I get a listening, compassionate ear for the distress my awakening caused. I'm glad that stage is behind me now, and funny thing is since I've come to terms with my husband's inability to even entertain the idea there was some funny business happening on September 11, 2001, I really am feeling a lot more hopeful. I sincerely believe that the end of deception is upon us. Here's a link to an article I found very helpful: http://www.world-of-wisdom.com/blog/belief-systems-and-their-consequence s/24/#more-24 I hope the astrology stuff doesn't scare you too much, to consider the points that Adrian is making. I've also been meaning to reply to your post about the alien discovery in Cerro Azul, Panama. I participate in several groups who are focused on planetary ascension. Many of the people in these groups claim to have relationships with extra terrestrials and often share messages they believe are coming from them. If you haven't read "From elsewhere : being E.T. in America" by Scott Mendelker, I encourage you to do so. Many of the messages of late have been telling us that there are going to be more and more incidences of these extra terrestrials trying to make contact with us. It's a shame that the teens became so fearful they felt they had to kill the creature. Of course isn't that the way of the world these days - our fear driving our madness? I'm not surprised, but I am saddened by it. The creature doesn't appear to be something capable of overpowering a group of healthy teenagers. If their fear hadn't taken over, perhaps they could have subdued rather than killed the creature and we could have learned something. Anyway, the older I get the more I realize truth is a very relative thing. I do believe, however, there are a few universal truths on which we can rely. I believe one of them to be that there really is a loving Creator which has our very best interests at heart and in mind, and if we can calm our fears enough to hear the still small voice we carry within our own being given us by that Creator, we might just get a glimpse of a new and better world and begin to manifest that. I also want to express my gratitude to you for your very well thought out and thought provoking posts. It has been through your posts, I have been able to let go of some of my staunch libertarian views and to see the value in certain public enterprises. I'm not yet sure health care ought to be one of them; especially, given that my view of the current corporate controlled system is killing us, but I do think I'm starting to see there might be a way of doing this. Did you know that the very first hospital on our continent was established by Benjamin Franklin as a means of caring for the homeless sick and mentally ill folks on the streets of Philadelphia. I think good ole Ben was onto something, and I think it was by no accident that it was a public enterprise and not a corporate controlled profit center. Thanks for listening, Robin www.healthforlifecoloncare.com www.traditionalnutrition.org www.ppnf.org "Let thy food be thy medicine and thy medicine be thy food." --Hippocrates (460-377 B.C.) Just be careful how you define food ;-) "The purpose of medicine is to amuse the patient until nature effects a cure." -- Voltaire (1694-1778) "Doctors pour medicines of which they know little to cure diseases of which they no less into humans of which they know nothing." -- Voltaire (1694-1778) -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Minne [SMTP:mincam2 at yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 17:36 To: September 11 List 2; Connie Smith Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] Why be on this list if... Connie, I am on this list because I want to know the truth (or at least what others perceive it to be.) I'm not sure that I ever will. In fact, I don't think it is entirely possible. I'd be happy if I thought I came reasonably close. Before 911, I actually thought it was possible to be fairly well informed. However, 911 has made me almost a complete an unbeliever. I feel confident that schoolbooks of 2020 will be full of lies. So why not the schoolbooks of 1990? 1890? etc.? I belong to Architects & Engineers for 911 Truth. Their goal is to enlighten Congress. When talking to one of their organizers, I asked, "What makes you think Congress is on our side?" She had no answer. I have come to the conclusion that people do not want to know the "truth," or if they already do, they don't want to admit it. I truly hope I am wrong, and that you can prove me so. It is my guess that we are the work of aliens - but damned if I know or even believe that. And that goes for just about everything. I think our world revolves about greed - but that is just another guess. Tell me I'm wrong about any of this. that's fine with me - maybe I'll learn something. Which is why I am here. AMY GOODMAN: We're talking to Wendell Potter. For twenty years he was an executive at CIGNA and Humana. Most importantly, in the years at CIGNA, he was their chief corporate spokesperson, but has left to blow the whistle on insurance companies. WENDELL POTTER: Well, clearly, this senator [Chuck Grassley] has the insurance industry's best interests at heart, not the American public and not his constituents. He has said that he didn't think a public plan would be fair, compete fairly with insurance companies who-the private insurance industry. I'd like to ask him what is fair about the way that the insurance industries operate today, the companies that dump sick people when they need insurance most. What is fair about the way the insurance industry operates, Senator Grassley? AMY GOODMAN: Forty-five million new customers, that's what the private insurance companies can now look forward to, if a bill like what came out of the Senate Finance Committee moves forward with the mandate. Explain how they will make out and how important, how significant, how profitable this is for the for-profit companies. WENDELL POTTER: Yeah, this is the first time that the insurance industry has really seen great opportunity in healthcare reform, with an individual mandate, which would require all of us to buy insurance if we are not eligible for a public, government-run program, which, fortunately, many people are. We would have to buy it in the private market from insurance companies, many of whom-many of which are for-profit companies. We would not have the option of buying or getting insurance through a government-run program like the public option would create. So, not only would our premium dollars go into this-into the private insurance industry, but a lot of tax dollars would. Most people who don't have insurance can't afford it, and they wouldn't be able to afford it after healthcare reform is passed without the government subsidizing their premiums. So billions and billions of taxpayers' dollars will flow right into the treasuries of these big for-profit insurance companies. So we will be essentially paying a tax that will help support these insurance companies. It will be an enormous bailout of the health insurance industry. --- On Fri, 10/2/09, Connie Smith wrote: From: Connie Smith Subject: [CitizensTruth] Why be on this list if... To: "September 11 List 2" Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 5:05 PM Regarding a few comments that are going around, pertaining to the NY ballot efforts, Daniel Sunjata, etc: Why on earth would anyone be on a 9/11 Truth list if they doubt the truth WILL break through? One comment was an overt demoralization attempt -- which is like attempted sabotage. The other was all about confusion -- which at very least, isn't helpful. Of course there's mythology in our history, but the good stories aren't the problem. America does have a foundation of ideals, and there are healthy kernels of truth and goodness even if some events are exaggerated. The problem comes in with lack of truth about the "bad" stories -- lack of awareness of how brutal and arrogant many US policies actually have been and continue to be. America: all good, no bad -- this has been the LIE unconscionably taught to us, to generations of schoolchildren. This is what has most Americans living in the matrix of ignorance -- and why the perpetrators of 9/11 were pretty sure they could get away with it. But I'm convinced the unprecedented level of global awareness and activism are reaching critical mass -- and ALL the lies -- especially about history and religion -- are soon going to come rushing out in a tsunami of truth. Our main task then is to help people adjust -- as we have had to do -- to the shock. And then to help build an entirely new and shining future based on good-hearted realism instead of the evil agendas humanity has long been suffering. 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URL: From mincam2 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 4 12:19:20 2009 From: mincam2 at yahoo.com (Chuck Minne) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 09:19:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CitizensTruth] Two Michael Moore Interviews Message-ID: <488282.3576.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> An Evening with Michael Moore and His Latest Film, Capitalism: A Love Story Author: Commonwealth Club of California/INFORUM Mon, Sep 21, 2009 An Evening with Michael Moore and His Latest Film, Capitalism: A Love Story ? Who are we and why do we behave the way that we do? Writer, director and producer Moore has been trying to answer that question his entire filmmaking career. His latest film, Capitalism: A Love Story, investigates the powerful forces behind the calamitous predicament in which countless Americans are finding themselves: losing their homes, jobs and savings to foot the bill for past spending. What is the price that America ??? and the rest of the world ??? pays for its love of capitalism? From Middle America to the halls of power in Washington to the global financial epicenter in Manhattan, Moore takes filmgoers into uncharted territory as he tries to get to the heart of the matter. ? This program was recorded in front of a live audience in San Francisco at The Commonwealth Club of California on September 17, 2009 Download File - 29.6 MB Listen To This Podcast (Streaming Audio)?? ? ? ? From: http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/24/after_20_years_of_filmmaking_on ? Thursday, September 24, 2009 Headlines for September 24, 2009 After 20 Years of Filmmaking on US Injustices, Michael Moore Goes to the Source in ?Capitalism: A Love Story? Watch Listen Purchase?DVD/CD Los Titulares de Hoy ? ? AMY GOODMAN: We?re talking to Wendell Potter. For twenty years he was an executive at CIGNA and Humana. Most importantly, in the years at CIGNA, he was their chief corporate spokesperson, but has left to blow the whistle on insurance companies. ? WENDELL POTTER: Well, clearly, this senator [Chuck Grassley] has the insurance industry?s best interests at heart, not the American public and not his constituents. ? He has said that he didn?t think a public plan would be fair, compete fairly with insurance companies who?the private insurance industry. I?d like to ask him what is fair about the way that the insurance industries operate today, the companies that dump sick people when they need insurance most. What is fair about the way the insurance industry operates, Senator Grassley? ? AMY GOODMAN: Forty-five million new customers, that?s what the private insurance companies can now look forward to, if a bill like what came out of the Senate Finance Committee moves forward with the mandate. Explain how they will make out and how important, how significant, how profitable this is for the for-profit companies. ? WENDELL POTTER: Yeah, this is the first time that the insurance industry has really seen great opportunity in healthcare reform, with an individual mandate, which would require all of us to buy insurance if we are not eligible for a public, government-run program, which, fortunately, many people are. We would have to buy it in the private market from insurance companies, many of whom?many of which are for-profit companies. We would not have the option of buying or getting insurance through a government-run program like the public option would create. ? So, not only would our premium dollars go into this?into the private insurance industry, but a lot of tax dollars would. Most people who don?t have insurance can?t afford it, and they wouldn?t be able to afford it after healthcare reform is passed without the government subsidizing their premiums. So billions and billions of taxpayers? dollars will flow right into the treasuries of these big for-profit insurance companies. 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Donate this coming Monday and Tuesday towards our goal of $5,000 in 48 hours, an amount that will? sustain this national movement, its website and office, through the fall and enable World Can't Wait to continue and grow this much-needed resistance movement. Sign up online and thank you! New Strategy in Afghanistan? End it - Now! We need a surge of resistance here, not more troops in Afghanistan. Donate Mon & Tues to grow this resistance. New Meeting Time & Place in Chicago Protest Tuesday, Thompson Ctr, 4 pm to 6 pm! Within the next weeks, President Obama will announce up to 20,000 more troops will deploy to Afghanistan in addition to replacing up to 14,000 support troops with "trigger-pullers." This will only mean increasing the death and destruction brought to the Afghan people. And U.S. involvement in Iraq is not only not over; it is becoming a permanent occupation. Now is the time to show what strategy we demand: End the wars now! Read up: "The United States Must Withdraw from Afghanistan," by Kenneth Theisen. Our resistance to another surge is needed NOW. Join us on Tuesday, Oct. 6, at Thompson Center, Randolph & Clark in the Loop, 4 pm - 6 pm. Hear from members of Vets for Peace, from veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan speaking the truth about US involvement there, from World Can't Wait activists who've been speaking in schools, and from poets and youth. Listen here to Mathis Cireoux, Army veteran who refused redeployment, about why we must act now: What can YOU do on October 6? Wear orange. Distribute our flyer to students, on campuses and at work, on the street. Invite a speaker to your class. Join us at the Thompson Center and bring your friends!? Stand with us and resist because it won't end until we do! Oct 11: Join the Equality March in Washington, DC! "No Common Ground with Christian Fascists - LGBT Rights Now!" World Can't Wait proudly endorses the LGBT Equality March on Washington D.C. on October 10/11. We support the just demand for marriage equality for gay and lesbian partners and repeal of the "Defense of Marriage Act."? We further support the right to adopt children and an end to work place discrimination; strengthening hate crime legislation; and demand an end to ripping families apart due to ICE's (Immigration Control & Enforcement) refusal to recognize gay couples. Buses are being organized from Chicago leaving Saturday Oct 10 and returning early morning October 12, and tickets are available here. Come to DC but if you can't, support others who need your help to join this vital national mobilization! New Meeting Time & Place The Chicago Chapter of World Can't Wait will meet at Metropolis Cafe, 1039 W. Granville, Chicago, just 2 blocks east of the Granville stop on the Red line, at 6pm on Mondays, starting Oct 5. Our old 'home,' Mercury Cafe, is closing, another victim of the financial meltdown.? Stay in touch! Write us at? chicago at worldcantwait.org or call 773-227-2453. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mincam2 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 5 15:49:56 2009 From: mincam2 at yahoo.com (Chuck Minne) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 12:49:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CitizensTruth] Pray Now! In-Reply-To: <488282.3576.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <248590.99822.qm@web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: http://lc.org/media/9980/adopt_a_liberal.htm ? ? Introducing a powerful new prayer initiative that will soon have many thousands of participants... Liberty Counsel is proud to introduce -- and invite you to participate in -- a vital new prayer program solidly built upon St. Paul's admonition to pray for our national leaders: Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men, for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior. ?-- 1 Timothy 2:1-3 Since the landmark 2008 general election, there can be no doubt that a very large percentage of our Nation's leaders have a liberal mindset. The undeniable fact is that the 111th Pelosi-Reid Congress and the Obama Administration demonstrate a far left political philosophy. And since the President nominates federal judges and Justices of the United States Supreme Court, the judicial branch of government could take on a decidedly more liberal bent as the Obama Administration wears on. Liberty Counsel has therefore named this special new prayer-in-action program Adopt a Liberal. And that's exactly what we invite you to do -- adopt a liberal who is in authority for regular, intense prayer in accord with St. Paul's admonition to his disciple, Timothy. In fact, we expect that many of our friends and supporters will choose to adopt many liberals as subjects of regular prayer! Here's How it Works... Pick one or more of the liberals from the list we have posted online at www.LC.org, or choose your own liberal(s) to adopt. If you are led to choose one or more of the liberals we have selected for consideration, please read their brief biographical statement, including the reasons they stand in need of prayer. Pray earnestly and intensely for them! Pray that the Lord would move upon them and cause them to be the kind of leaders who will encourage others to lead "a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence." We encourage you to seek the Lord's guidance on how to pray for your liberal(s), always allowing Him to temper your prayer with His love and mercy. Join Us as We Pray for God's Powerful Intervention in Many Liberals' Lives Please pray daily for the liberal(s) of your choice, so each can become a good influence on our Nation's culture. Prayer is powerful! It allows God to change the minds of those for whom we are praying. In fact, we fully expect that many of our adoptees will "graduate" from this prayer program with vivid testimonies of God having changed their lives and worldviews! We will continue to add new subjects to our Adopt a Liberal program. Please feel free to nominate one or more liberals for prayer by emailing us at liberty at LC.org, giving us the reasons you feel they qualify for the program. Here are just a few representative liberals to further illustrate how the Adopt a Liberal program works... Choose a Liberal from the Following List We will be adding a number of new subjects to our Adopt a Liberal program each week. Please feel free to nominate one of more Liberals for prayer by emailing us at liberty at LC.org. Although there is certainly a certain amount of tongue-and-cheek humor associated with this program, we desire that Liberty Counsel's Adopt a Liberal program will conform to 1 Timothy 2:1-4. Adopt a liberal from the list below, or select the "unknown liberal." Click on a name for more information about these misguided leaders. Mayor Michael Bloomberg Secretary of State Hillary Clinton Congressman Barney Frank Director John Holdren Mr. Barry Lynn Secretary Janet Napolitano President Barack Obama Senator Harry Reid Speaker Nancy Pelosi Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger Senator Olympia Snowe The "Unknown Liberal" ? ? AMY GOODMAN: We?re talking to Wendell Potter. For twenty years he was an executive at CIGNA and Humana. Most importantly, in the years at CIGNA, he was their chief corporate spokesperson, but has left to blow the whistle on insurance companies. ? WENDELL POTTER: Well, clearly, this senator [Chuck Grassley] has the insurance industry?s best interests at heart, not the American public and not his constituents. ? He has said that he didn?t think a public plan would be fair, compete fairly with insurance companies who?the private insurance industry. I?d like to ask him what is fair about the way that the insurance industries operate today, the companies that dump sick people when they need insurance most. What is fair about the way the insurance industry operates, Senator Grassley? ? AMY GOODMAN: Forty-five million new customers, that?s what the private insurance companies can now look forward to, if a bill like what came out of the Senate Finance Committee moves forward with the mandate. Explain how they will make out and how important, how significant, how profitable this is for the for-profit companies. ? WENDELL POTTER: Yeah, this is the first time that the insurance industry has really seen great opportunity in healthcare reform, with an individual mandate, which would require all of us to buy insurance if we are not eligible for a public, government-run program, which, fortunately, many people are. We would have to buy it in the private market from insurance companies, many of whom?many of which are for-profit companies. We would not have the option of buying or getting insurance through a government-run program like the public option would create. ? So, not only would our premium dollars go into this?into the private insurance industry, but a lot of tax dollars would. Most people who don?t have insurance can?t afford it, and they wouldn?t be able to afford it after healthcare reform is passed without the government subsidizing their premiums. 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URL: From richardfobes at hotmail.com Fri Oct 9 13:31:21 2009 From: richardfobes at hotmail.com (Richard Fobes) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 12:31:21 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] FW: Once Again, The Will of the Voters Is Denied In-Reply-To: <0143c045f8f23403b97a72fd480fd2f3@localhost.localdomain> References: <0143c045f8f23403b97a72fd480fd2f3@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Once Again, The Will of the Voters Is Denied October 9, 2009 Yesterday afternoon, Justice Edward Lehner of the State Supreme Court rubberstamped Referee Louis Crespo?s recommendation that the decision to establish a local commission to investigate the events of September 11th not be put before the voters on November 3rd. After showing interest in weighing both sides? arguments in the hearing, the Judge?s short decision gives no indication of having considered the arguments put forth in the Petitioners? memorandum of law, nor any acknowledgement of the need for a new investigation, which the City of New York callously dismissed as ?irrelevant?. On a dark day for democracy, the patriotic call for answers by hundreds of 9/11 families, first responders and survivors has been stifled, and the will of the people of New York City once again denied. Judge Lehner ruled that modifying the petition to make it ?legally permissible? would result in it being ?inconsistent with the law sought by the signatories of the Petition? despite the fact that all 80,000 signatories agreed by signing the Petition that ?If any provision of this law is held to be unconstitutional or invalid for any reason, the remaining provisions shall be in no manner affected thereby but shall remain in full force and effect.? The deadline for inclusion on the ballot falls just before the election, making it possible to appeal Judge Lehner?s decision. NYC CAN is weighing all options and will make an announcement early next week on this issue, as well as on how it will be moving forward on other fronts. Regardless of the outcome in court, the quest for answers continues full throttle. This fight is only the beginning. Thinkers think and talkers talk. Patriots ACT. www.NYCCAN.org This message was sent from NYC CAN to richardfobes at hotmail.com. It was sent from: New York City CAN, Inc., 1173A Second Ave., Suite 155, New York, NY 10065. You can modify/update your subscription via the link below. Email Marketing by To be removed click here _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mjkirk12 at yahoo.com Sat Oct 10 14:04:40 2009 From: mjkirk12 at yahoo.com (Mike Kirk) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:04:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CitizensTruth] Peace - Nobelian or Orwellian? Message-ID: <503621.33940.qm@web83810.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> The Nobel War Prize Posted By Paul Craig Roberts On October 9, 2009 @ 11:00 pm It took 25 years longer than George Orwell thought for the slogans of 1984 to become reality. "War Is Peace," "Freedom Is Slavery," "Ignorance Is Strength." I would add, "Lie Is Truth." The Nobel Committee has awarded the 2009 Peace Prize to President Obama, the person who started a new war in Pakistan, upped the war in Afghanistan, and continues to threaten Iran with attack unless Iran does what the US government demands and relinquishes its rights as a signatory to the non-proliferation treaty. The Nobel committee chairman, Thorbj?rn Jagland said, "Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future." Obama, the committee gushed, has created "a new climate in international politics." Tell that to the 2 million displaced Pakistanis and the unknown numbers of dead ones that Obama has racked up in his few months in office. Tell that to the Afghans where civilian deaths continue to mount as Obama's "war of necessity" drones on indeterminably. No Bush policy has changed. Iraq is still occupied. The Guant?namo torture prison is still functioning. Rendition and assassinations are still occurring. Spying on Americans without warrants is still the order of the day. Civil liberties are continuing to be violated in the name of Oceania's "war on terror." Apparently, the Nobel committee is suffering from the delusion that, being a minority, Obama is going to put a stop to Western hegemony over darker-skinned peoples. The non-cynical can say that the Nobel committee is seizing on Obama's rhetoric to lock him into the pursuit of peace instead of war. We can all hope that it works. But the more likely result is that the award has made "War Is Peace" the reality. Obama has done nothing to hold the criminal Bush regime to account, and the Obama administration has bribed and threatened the Palestinian Authority to go along with the US/Israeli plan to deep-six the UN's Goldstone Report on Israeli war crimes committed during Israel's inhuman military attack on the defenseless civilian population in the Gaza Ghetto. The US Ministry of Truth is delivering the Obama administration's propaganda that Iran only notified the IAEA of its "secret" new nuclear facility because Iran discovered that US intelligence had discovered the "secret" facility. This propaganda is designed to undercut the fact of Iran's compliance with the Safeguards Agreement and to continue the momentum for a military attack on Iran. The Nobel committee has placed all its hopes on a bit of skin color. "War Is Peace" is now the position of the formerly antiwar organization, Code Pink. Code Pink has decided that women's rights are worth a war in Afghanistan. When justifications for war become almost endless ? oil, hegemony, women's rights, democracy, revenge for 9/11, denying bases to al-Qaeda, and protecting against terrorists ? war becomes the path to peace. The Nobel committee has bestowed the prestige of its Peace Prize on Newspeak and Doublethink. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From futurenotwritten at yahoo.com Sat Oct 10 15:27:56 2009 From: futurenotwritten at yahoo.com (Jay Becker) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12:27:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CitizensTruth] Peace - Nobelian or Orwellian? In-Reply-To: <503621.33940.qm@web83810.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <389025.87187.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> And the idea that US occupation of Afghanistan is somehow helping women there is more delusion. Here's an article by Lina Thorne (Chicago chapter of WCW) from the national World Can't Wait website: US War, Occupation Deepen the Bitter Oppression of Afghanistan?s Women: This Must End Friday, 18 September 2009 06:52 digg_url = 'http://www.worldcantwait.net/index.php/home-mainmenu-289/5860-us-war-occupation-deepen-the-bitter-oppression-of-afghanistans-women-this-must-end';digg_window = 'new';digg_bgcolor = '#ffffff';digg_title = 'U.S. War, Occupation Deepen the Bitter Oppression of Afghanistan???s Women: This Must End'; By Lina Thorne I want the women of Afghanistan to be liberated. Do I have to support the war? ? Short answer: No. In fact, supporting the war only works against their liberation. ? If you can?t stand the idea of The Handmaid?s Tale come to life; set in a dusty, third world country, and despise the thought of women being kept out of schools and in large respects the outright chattel property of their fathers or husbands, then in fact you must work as hard as you can to end the continuing U.S. occupation and war against Afghanistan (as well as Iraq, Pakistan, and the potential war against Iran that still lies ?on the table?). The reality is that The Handmaid?s Tale continues? While the Taliban were and are harshly oppressive ? they are cut from the same fundamentalist cloth as the Northern Alliance which the U.S. brought to power, and the current regime has meant even more acute suffering for most women living in Afghanistan. ? Pro-war imperialists, including everyone from Hilary Clinton and Barack Obama to the truly laughable fascist types on FOX News have argued that the war in Afghanistan is necessary to bring the girls of Afghanistan a chance to be free. This is not about Clinton valiantly struggling to put women?s rights on the agenda and sometimes succeeding against all odds. This is not about Obama?s administration ?fixing? mistakes made by the bumbling Bush/Cheney regime. This is about a war for empire, pure and simple. The rhetoric about the oppression of women provides a convenient excuse for the continued occupation but does not justify the war- not from the initiation nor the present day bombs still raining on wedding parties. ? It?s more than the scandals that reveal that the mercenaries protecting the US embassy in Kabul have been buying and pimping women sex slaves in Afghanistan (which is, today, a major crossroads for international ?sex trafficking? [read: slave trade]).? It?s more than the recent law passed in the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan (the full name of the country post- U.S. ?liberation?) that explicitly legalizes marital rape as well as forcing women to dress and make themselves up (while in the home, of course) according to their husband?s demands, outlawing the ability to leave the home without a husband or a good reason to do so, and automatically granting custody of children to the male relatives (fathers or grandfathers). It?s not just the fact that the government has been cobbled together from the same warlords and fundamentalists that ruled the country before, in a fragile and fraught coalition under the corrupt Karzai regime. ? It?s the fact that the whole relationship between the U.S. and the region (as well as the world) has been about imperialist domination in one form or another. For instance, Zbignew Brzezinski, Jimmy Carter?s national security advisor, has bragged about ?giving the USSR its own Vietnam? in Afghanistan by funding and arming the Mujahideen in the then pro-Soviet Afghanistan in 1979. The Mujahideen, of course, is the movement that eventually overthrew the government of Afghanistan, gave bin Laden his political start, and evolved into the Taliban of Afghanistan. The entire war on Afghanistan was, in fact, conceived before 9/11 at least in part to address the needed stability in order to build an oil pipeline across the country (see also: Parts 2 and 3 of the series by Larry Everest: "A War for Empire?Not a ?Good War? Gone Bad"). ? When we marched in the streets in 2001 against the bombing of Afghanistan, we not only chanted ?our grief is not a cry for war? but also, ?bin Laden, Saddam, Pinochet: all created by the CIA? (perhaps a little over-simplified, but a good teaching chant!). The hysterics in the aftermath of 9/11 were designed to focus the grief and anger without regard for history into blind support of Bush?s crusade ? which, as we know, didn?t stop at Afghanistan, and had larger goals than Iraq. ? This lopsided relationship of domination should not be bandaged or sustained by diplomacy or by the ?international community.? It must be broken, and the people of Afghanistan must choose their own destiny. The more clearly we reject the brutality of ?our own? country?s occupations (and airstrikes against countries the U.S. hasn?t declared war on, like Pakistan), the more clearly we can show the people of Afghanistan that the choice for them isn?t between death from above and puppets in Kabul vs. the known vicious repression of the Taliban; that there is another way for the people to fight, and another goal to fight for. ? The women of Afghanistan cannot be liberated as the whole nation is subjugated, ground up, and bombed. As the Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan (RAWA) courageously wrote on the anniversary of the invasion last year: ?The path of the freedom-fighters of our country without doubt, will be very complex, difficult and bloody; but if our demand is to be freed from the chains of the slavery of foreigners and their Talib and Jehadi lackeys, we should not fear trial or death to become triumphant.? ? This is not a time to ?wait and see? what happens. It has been far too long, and far too many have died.? ? Stop thinking like an American, Start thinking about humanity! Read Revolution at www.revcom.us --- On Sat, 10/10/09, Mike Kirk wrote: From: Mike Kirk Subject: [CitizensTruth] Peace - Nobelian or Orwellian? To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net Date: Saturday, October 10, 2009, 1:04 PM The Nobel War Prize? ?? Posted By Paul Craig Roberts On October 9, 2009 @ 11:00 pm It took 25 years longer than George Orwell thought for the slogans of 1984 to become reality.. "War Is Peace," "Freedom Is Slavery," "Ignorance Is Strength.." I would add, "Lie Is Truth." The Nobel Committee has awarded the 2009 Peace Prize to President Obama, the person who started a new war in Pakistan, upped the war in Afghanistan, and continues to threaten Iran with attack unless Iran does what the US government demands and relinquishes its rights as a signatory to the non-proliferation treaty. The Nobel committee chairman, Thorbj?rn Jagland said, "Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future." Obama, the committee gushed, has created "a new climate in international politics." Tell that to the 2 million displaced Pakistanis and the unknown numbers of dead ones that Obama has racked up in his few months in office. Tell that to the Afghans where civilian deaths continue to mount as Obama's "war of necessity" drones on indeterminably. No Bush policy has changed. Iraq is still occupied. The Guant?namo torture prison is still functioning. Rendition and assassinations are still occurring. Spying on Americans without warrants is still the order of the day. Civil liberties are continuing to be violated in the name of Oceania's "war on terror." Apparently, the Nobel committee is suffering from the delusion that, being a minority, Obama is going to put a stop to Western hegemony over darker-skinned peoples. The non-cynical can say that the Nobel committee is seizing on Obama's rhetoric to lock him into the pursuit of peace instead of war. We can all hope that it works. But the more likely result is that the award has made "War Is Peace" the reality. Obama has done nothing to hold the criminal Bush regime to account, and the Obama administration has bribed and threatened the Palestinian Authority to go along with the US/Israeli plan to deep-six the UN's Goldstone Report on Israeli war crimes committed during Israel's inhuman military attack on the defenseless civilian population in the Gaza Ghetto. The US Ministry of Truth is delivering the Obama administration's propaganda that Iran only notified the IAEA of its "secret" new nuclear facility because Iran discovered that US intelligence had discovered the "secret" facility. This propaganda is designed to undercut the fact of Iran's compliance with the Safeguards Agreement and to continue the momentum for a military attack on Iran. The Nobel committee has placed all its hopes on a bit of skin color. "War Is Peace" is now the position of the formerly antiwar organization, Code Pink. Code Pink has decided that women's rights are worth a war in Afghanistan. When justifications for war become almost endless ? oil, hegemony, women's rights, democracy, revenge for 9/11, denying bases to al-Qaeda, and protecting against terrorists ? war becomes the path to peace. The Nobel committee has bestowed the prestige of its Peace Prize on Newspeak and Doublethink. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ CitizensTruth mailing list CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth website: http://citizenstruth.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mincam2 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 11 19:47:56 2009 From: mincam2 at yahoo.com (Chuck Minne) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:47:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" In-Reply-To: <389025.87187.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <89391.96228.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Foreign Newspapers on Obama?s Nobel Prize Victory October 10th, 2009 | By: Michael van der Galien Tags: Barack Obama, News, Nobel Peace Prize, PoliGazette, Politics Leave a comment | Trackback ? The left-wing NRC Handelsblad (Netherlands):??What got into the committee to award this prize to a man who has yet to live up to the high expectations? Were they drunk?? ? Center-left to center Volkskrant (Netherlands):??It?s clear that Obama has increasingly more difficulty meeting expectations. ?His inspiring words about peace and deproliferation have yet to be supported by any concrete results. What is meant to be a reward [for great achievements], could very well end up being tremendous burden for Obama.? ? The right-of-center Telegraaf (Netherlands): ?This isn?t the first mistake of the Committee, but it is the biggest. The value of the Nobel Peace Prize has been diminished.? ? Benedict Brogan, writing for the British newspaper the Telegraph: ?To reward him for a blank results sheet, to inflate him when he has no achievements to his name, makes a mockery of what, let?s face it, is an already fairly discredited process (remember Rigoberta Menchu in 1992? Ha!). That?s not the point. What this does is accelerate the elevation of President Obama to a comedy confection, which he does not deserve, and gives his critics yet another bat to whack him with. Shame on the Swedes Norwegians*. He should turn it down, even if he does look great in white tie and tails.? ? The Times of London: ?Rarely has an award had such an obvious political and partisan intent. It was clearly seen by the Norwegian Nobel committee as a way of expressing European gratitude for an end to the Bush Administration, approval for the election of America?s first black president and hope that Washington will honour its promise to re-engage with the world. ? ?Instead, the prize risks looking preposterous in its claims, patronising in its intentions and demeaning in its attempt to build up a man who has barely begun his period in office, let alone achieved any tangible outcome for peace.? ? Left-wing rag the Guardian: ?Indeed, the reasoning behind the awarding of the prize to previous American presidents has been easier to discern. Teddy Roosevelt opened the court of arbitration in the Hague and helped mediate a peace treaty between Russia and Japan; Woodrow Wilson was the founder of the League of Nations. Jimmy Carter won his prize for his ?untiring efforts to find peaceful solutions to international conflicts?. ? ?Which is what makes the awarding of this year?s prize to a president who has been in office for a mere nine months an odd departure. It is as if the prize committee had been persuaded to give the award on the future delivery of promises.? ? The Sydney Morning Herald: ?YES, surprisingly, he could. Barack Obama, is the shock choice for the Nobel Peace Prize, less than a year after his election as U.S. President.? ? Il Giornale (Italy): ?Let me be clear: the discourse on Islam in Cairo was beautiful, tall, and it opens up new horizons, but did not lead to anything. And on the other matter, as pointed out repeatedly in this blog, Obama has been evasive or inconclusive, starting with Iran and Afghanistan. Nor can he boast the merits of rapprochement with North Korea, which was brought about by Bill Clinton. He kept only one real promise: the gradual withdrawal from Iraq. Enough to deserve the Nobel Prize?? ? Center-left the Spiegel (Germany): ?The Nobel Peace Prize has come too early for Barack Obama. The US president cannot point to any real diplomatic successes to date and there are few prospects of any to come.? ? National Post (Canada): ?Obama is being given his award for mere words ? for striking fashionable poses in favour of multilateralism, for making a nice speech in Cairo, for offering ?hope.? Months after Americans learned to dismiss Obama?s 2008 presidential campaign slogans as the meaningless bromides they were, Scandinavians are still drinking his Kool-aid.? ? ? "most of those bankrupted by medical problems had health insurance" "Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to college." "Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health insurance." ? ? Medical problems contributed to nearly two-thirds (62.1 percent) of all bankruptcies in 2007, according to a study in the August issue of the American Journal of Medicine that was published today online. The data were collected prior to the current economic downturn and hence likely understate the current burden of financial suffering. Between 2001 and 2007, the proportion of all bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6 percent. The authors? previous 2001 findings have been widely cited by policy leaders, including President Obama. ? Surprisingly, most of those bankrupted by medical problems had health insurance. More than three-quarters (77.9 percent) were insured at the start of the bankrupting illness, including 60.3 percent who had private coverage. Most of the medically bankrupt were solidly middle class before financial disaster hit. Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to college. In many cases, high medical bills coincided with a loss of income as illness forced breadwinners to lose time from work. Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health insurance. ? From: http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/content/more-medical-bankruptcy-have-insurance-go-bankrupt ? ? "most of those bankrupted by medical problems had health insurance" "Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to college." "Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health insurance." ? ? Medical problems contributed to nearly two-thirds (62.1 percent) of all bankruptcies in 2007, according to a study in the August issue of the American Journal of Medicine that was published today online. The data were collected prior to the current economic downturn and hence likely understate the current burden of financial suffering. Between 2001 and 2007, the proportion of all bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6 percent. The authors? previous 2001 findings have been widely cited by policy leaders, including President Obama. ? Surprisingly, most of those bankrupted by medical problems had health insurance. More than three-quarters (77.9 percent) were insured at the start of the bankrupting illness, including 60.3 percent who had private coverage. Most of the medically bankrupt were solidly middle class before financial disaster hit. Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to college. In many cases, high medical bills coincided with a loss of income as illness forced breadwinners to lose time from work. Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health insurance. ? From: http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/content/more-medical-bankruptcy-have-insurance-go-bankrupt ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dimension04 at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 12 16:48:45 2009 From: dimension04 at sbcglobal.net (Connie Smith) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:48:45 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" In-Reply-To: <89391.96228.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <89391.96228.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Or...we could consider another point of view: Get Off Obama's Back ...second thoughts from Michael Moore Saturday, October 10th, 2009 Friends, ...I went back and re-read what I had written. And I listened for far too long yesterday to the right wing hate machine who did what they could to crap all over Barack's big day. Did I -- and others on the left -- do the same? We are weary, weary of war. The trillions that will have gone to these two wars have helped to bankrupt us as a nation -- financially and morally. To think of all the good we could have done with all that money! Two months of the War in Iraq would pay for all the wells that need to be dug in the Third World for drinking water! Obama is moving too slow for most of us -- but he needs to know we are with him and we stand beside him as he attempts to turn eight years of sheer madness around. Who could do that in nine months? Superman? Thor? Mitch McConnell? Instead of waiting to see what the president is going to do, we all need to be pro-active and push the agenda that we want to see enacted. What keeps us from forming the same local groups we put together to get out the vote last November? C'mon! We're the majority now -- the majority by a significant margin! We call the shots -- and we need to tell this wimpy Congress to get busy and do what we say -- or else. All I ask of those who voted for Obama is to not pile on him too quickly. Yes, make your voice heard (his phone number is 202-456-1414). But don't abandon the best hope we've had in our lifetime for change. And for God's sake, don't head to bummerville if he says or does something we don't like. Do you ever see Republicans behave that way? I mean, the Right had 20 years of Republican presidents and they still couldn't get prayer in the public schools, or outlaw abortion, or initiate a flat tax or put our Social Security into the stock market. They did a lot of damage, no doubt about that, but on the key issues that the Christian Right fought for, they came up nearly empty handed. No wonder they've been driven crazy lately. They'll never have it as good again as they've had it since Reagan took office. But -- do you ever see them looking all gloomy and defeated? No! They keep on fighting! Every day. Our side? At the first sign of wavering, we just pack up our toys and go home. So, at least for this weekend, let us celebrate what people elsewhere are celebrating -- that America now has a sane and smart man in the White House, a man who truly wants a world at peace for his two daughters. Many, for the past couple days (yes, myself included), have grumbled, "What has he done to earn this prize?" How 'bout this: The simple fact that he was elected was reason enough for him to be the recipient of this year's Nobel Peace Prize. Because on that day the murderous actions of the Bush/Cheney years were totally and thoroughly rebuked. One man -- a man who opposed the War in Iraq from the beginning -- offered to end the insanity. The world has stood by in utter horror for the past eight years as they watched the descendants of Washington, Lincoln and Jefferson light the fuse of our own self-destruction. We flipped off the nations on this planet by abandoning Kyoto and then proceeded to melt eight more years worth of the polar ice caps. We invaded two nations that didn't attack us, failed to find the real terrorists and, in effect, ignited our own wave of terror. People all over the world wondered if we had gone mad. And if all that wasn't enough, the outgoing Joker presided over the worst global financial collapse since the Great Depression. So, yeah, at precisely 11:00pm ET on November 4, 2008, Barack Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize. And the 66 million people who voted for him won it, too. By the time he took the stage at midnight ET in the Grant Park Historic Hippie Battlefield in downtown Chicago, billions of people around the globe were already breathing a huge sigh of relief. It was as if, in that instant, one man did bring the promise of peace to the world -- and most were ready to go wherever he wanted to go to achieve that end. Never before had the election of one man made every other nation feel like they had won, too. When you've got billions of people ready, willing and able to join a cause like this, well, a prize in Oslo is the least that you deserve. One other thought. The Peace Prize historically has been given to those who have worked to throw off the yoke of racial discrimination and segregation (Martin Luther King, Jr., Desmond Tutu). I think the Nobel committee, in awarding Obama the prize, was also rewarding the fact that something profound had happened in a nation that was founded on racial genocide, built on racist slavery, and held back for a hundred-plus years by vestiges of hateful bigotry (which can still be found on display at teabagger rallies and daily talk radio). The fact that this one man could cause this seismic historical event to occur -- and to do so with such grace and humility, never succumbing to the bait, but still not backing down (yes, he asked to be sworn in as "Barack Hussein Obama"!) -- is more than reason enough he should be in Oslo to meet the King on December 10. Maybe he could take us along with him. 'Cause I also suspect the Nobel committee was tipping its hat to all of us -- we, the American people, had conquered some of our racism and did the truly unexpected. After seeing searing images of our black fellow citizens left to drown in New Orleans -- and poor whites seeing their own treated no better than the black man they had been raised to hate -- we had all seen enough. It was time for change. Thank you, Barack Obama, for giving us the opportunity to redeem ourselves. Now for the tasks ahead. We need you to do all that you promised to do. We need it. The world needs it. My prediction for the future? You become the first *two-time* winner of the Nobel Peace Prize! Yeah! Fred (that's Norwegian for "Peace"), Michael Moore MMFlint at aol.com MichaelMoore.com Join Mike's Mailing List | Join Mike's Facebook Group | Follow Mike on Twitter | Become Mike's MySpace Friend ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Minne To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 6:47 PM Subject: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" Foreign Newspapers on Obama?s Nobel Prize Victory October 10th, 2009 | By: Michael van der Galien Tags: Barack Obama, News, Nobel Peace Prize, PoliGazette, Politics Leave a comment | Trackback The left-wing NRC Handelsblad (Netherlands): ?What got into the committee to award this prize to a man who has yet to live up to the high expectations? Were they drunk?? Center-left to center Volkskrant (Netherlands): ?It?s clear that Obama has increasingly more difficulty meeting expectations. His inspiring words about peace and deproliferation have yet to be supported by any concrete results. What is meant to be a reward [for great achievements], could very well end up being tremendous burden for Obama.? The right-of-center Telegraaf (Netherlands): ?This isn?t the first mistake of the Committee, but it is the biggest. The value of the Nobel Peace Prize has been diminished.? Benedict Brogan, writing for the British newspaper the Telegraph: ?To reward him for a blank results sheet, to inflate him when he has no achievements to his name, makes a mockery of what, let?s face it, is an already fairly discredited process (remember Rigoberta Menchu in 1992? Ha!). That?s not the point. What this does is accelerate the elevation of President Obama to a comedy confection, which he does not deserve, and gives his critics yet another bat to whack him with. Shame on the Swedes Norwegians*. He should turn it down, even if he does look great in white tie and tails.? The Times of London: ?Rarely has an award had such an obvious political and partisan intent. It was clearly seen by the Norwegian Nobel committee as a way of expressing European gratitude for an end to the Bush Administration, approval for the election of America?s first black president and hope that Washington will honour its promise to re-engage with the world. ?Instead, the prize risks looking preposterous in its claims, patronising in its intentions and demeaning in its attempt to build up a man who has barely begun his period in office, let alone achieved any tangible outcome for peace.? Left-wing rag the Guardian: ?Indeed, the reasoning behind the awarding of the prize to previous American presidents has been easier to discern. Teddy Roosevelt opened the court of arbitration in the Hague and helped mediate a peace treaty between Russia and Japan; Woodrow Wilson was the founder of the League of Nations. Jimmy Carter won his prize for his ?untiring efforts to find peaceful solutions to international conflicts?. ?Which is what makes the awarding of this year?s prize to a president who has been in office for a mere nine months an odd departure. It is as if the prize committee had been persuaded to give the award on the future delivery of promises.? The Sydney Morning Herald: ?YES, surprisingly, he could. Barack Obama, is the shock choice for the Nobel Peace Prize, less than a year after his election as U.S. President.? Il Giornale (Italy): ?Let me be clear: the discourse on Islam in Cairo was beautiful, tall, and it opens up new horizons, but did not lead to anything. And on the other matter, as pointed out repeatedly in this blog, Obama has been evasive or inconclusive, starting with Iran and Afghanistan. Nor can he boast the merits of rapprochement with North Korea, which was brought about by Bill Clinton. He kept only one real promise: the gradual withdrawal from Iraq. Enough to deserve the Nobel Prize?? Center-left the Spiegel (Germany): ?The Nobel Peace Prize has come too early for Barack Obama. The US president cannot point to any real diplomatic successes to date and there are few prospects of any to come.? National Post (Canada): ?Obama is being given his award for mere words ? for striking fashionable poses in favour of multilateralism, for making a nice speech in Cairo, for offering ?hope.? Months after Americans learned to dismiss Obama?s 2008 presidential campaign slogans as the meaningless bromides they were, Scandinavians are still drinking his Kool-aid.? "most of those bankrupted by medical problems had health insurance" "Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to college." "Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health insurance." Medical problems contributed to nearly two-thirds (62.1 percent) of all bankruptcies in 2007, according to a study in the August issue of the American Journal of Medicine that was published today online. The data were collected prior to the current economic downturn and hence likely understate the current burden of financial suffering. Between 2001 and 2007, the proportion of all bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6 percent. The authors? previous 2001 findings have been widely cited by policy leaders, including President Obama. Surprisingly, most of those bankrupted by medical problems had health insurance. More than three-quarters (77.9 percent) were insured at the start of the bankrupting illness, including 60.3 percent who had private coverage. Most of the medically bankrupt were solidly middle class before financial disaster hit. Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to college. In many cases, high medical bills coincided with a loss of income as illness forced breadwinners to lose time from work. Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health insurance. From: http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/content/more-medical-bankruptcy-have-insurance-go-bankrupt "most of those bankrupted by medical problems had health insurance" "Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to college." "Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health insurance." Medical problems contributed to nearly two-thirds (62.1 percent) of all bankruptcies in 2007, according to a study in the August issue of the American Journal of Medicine that was published today online. The data were collected prior to the current economic downturn and hence likely understate the current burden of financial suffering. Between 2001 and 2007, the proportion of all bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6 percent. The authors? previous 2001 findings have been widely cited by policy leaders, including President Obama. Surprisingly, most of those bankrupted by medical problems had health insurance. More than three-quarters (77.9 percent) were insured at the start of the bankrupting illness, including 60.3 percent who had private coverage. Most of the medically bankrupt were solidly middle class before financial disaster hit. Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to college. In many cases, high medical bills coincided with a loss of income as illness forced breadwinners to lose time from work. Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health insurance. From: http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/content/more-medical-bankruptcy-have-insurance-go-bankrupt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ CitizensTruth mailing list CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth website: http://citizenstruth.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com Mon Oct 12 19:24:19 2009 From: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com (Geri Perry) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:24:19 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" In-Reply-To: References: <89391.96228.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4AD3BAA3.8060008@thetwofacesofmoney.com> And there is yet another perspective . . . This one holds that Obama, like so many before him, is little more than a puppet. How else can we explain his meteoric rise from total obscurity to become- in one giant leap - president of the Unite States, and tainted no less by the same Rezco scandal that so heavily damaged the Blago image? We can guess who pulls the strings, but following the money is a good start. Amazingly poor timing was evident when Obama convened his war council for crucial talks on Afghan strategy within hours after being named Nobel Peace Laureate. This may be due to the fact that, as Chalmers Johnson posits in Sorrows of Empire, CentCom pulls the shots on foreign policy, not the pres. (Or maybe now its NATO?) I'm no fan of Michael Moore but there is something to be said for those who at least HOPE the president will do right by the people and not the money power. Wishful thinking in the face of current facts, but WAY better than actually "hoping he will fail" as Rush Limbaugh has publicly AND wrongly asserted. Geri P Connie Smith wrote: > Or...we could consider another point of view: > > > *Get Off Obama's Back ...second thoughts from Michael Moore* > > Saturday, October 10th, 2009 > > Friends, > > ...I went back and re-read what I had written. And _I listened for far > too long yesterday to the right wing hate machine who did what they > could to crap all over Barack's big day. Did I -- and others on the > left -- do the same? _ > > We are weary, weary of war. The trillions that will have gone to these > two wars have helped to bankrupt us as a nation -- financially and > morally. To think of all the good we could have done with all that > money! Two months of the War in Iraq would pay for all the wells that > need to be dug in the Third World for drinking water! Obama is moving > too slow for most of us -- but he needs to know we are with him and we > stand beside him as he attempts to turn eight years of sheer madness > around. Who could do that in nine months? Superman? Thor? Mitch > McConnell? > > Instead of waiting to see what the president is going to do, we all > need to be pro-active and push the agenda that we want to see enacted. > What keeps us from forming the same local groups we put together to > get out the vote last November? C'mon! We're the majority now -- the > majority by a significant margin! We call the shots -- and we need to > tell this wimpy Congress to get busy and do what we say -- or else. > > All I ask of those who voted for Obama is to not pile on him too > quickly. Yes, make your voice heard (his phone number is > 202-456-1414). But don't abandon the best hope we've had in our > lifetime for change. And for God's sake, don't head to bummerville if > he says or does something we don't like. Do you ever see Republicans > behave that way? I mean, the Right had 20 years of Republican > presidents and they still couldn't get prayer in the public schools, > or outlaw abortion, or initiate a flat tax or put our Social Security > into the stock market. They did a lot of damage, no doubt about that, > but on the key issues that the Christian Right fought for, they came > up nearly empty handed. No wonder they've been driven crazy lately. > They'll never have it as good again as they've had it since Reagan > took office. > > But -- do you ever see them looking all gloomy and defeated? No! They > keep on fighting! Every day. Our side? At the first sign of wavering, > we just pack up our toys and go home. > > So, at least for this weekend, let us celebrate what people elsewhere > are celebrating -- that America now has a sane and smart man in the > White House, a man who truly wants a world at peace for his two > daughters. > > Many, for the past couple days (yes, myself included), have grumbled, > "What has he done to earn this prize?" How 'bout this: > > The simple fact that he was elected was reason enough for him to be > the recipient of this year's Nobel Peace Prize. > > Because on that day the murderous actions of the Bush/Cheney years > were totally and thoroughly rebuked. One man -- a man who opposed the > War in Iraq from the beginning -- offered to end the insanity. The > world has stood by in utter horror for the past eight years as they > watched the descendants of Washington, Lincoln and Jefferson light the > fuse of our own self-destruction. We flipped off the nations on this > planet by abandoning Kyoto and then proceeded to melt eight more years > worth of the polar ice caps. We invaded two nations that didn't attack > us, failed to find the real terrorists and, in effect, ignited our own > wave of terror. People all over the world wondered if we had gone mad. > > And if all that wasn't enough, the outgoing Joker presided over the > worst global financial collapse since the Great Depression. > > So, yeah, at precisely 11:00pm ET on November 4, 2008, Barack Obama > won the Nobel Peace Prize. And the 66 million people who voted for him > won it, too. By the time he took the stage at midnight ET in the Grant > Park Historic Hippie Battlefield in downtown Chicago, billions of > people around the globe were already breathing a huge sigh of relief. > It was as if, in that instant, one man did bring the promise of peace > to the world -- and most were ready to go wherever he wanted to go to > achieve that end. Never before had the election of one man made every > other nation feel like they had won, too. When you've got billions of > people ready, willing and able to join a cause like this, well, a > prize in Oslo is the least that you deserve. > > One other thought. The Peace Prize historically has been given to > those who have worked to throw off the yoke of racial discrimination > and segregation (Martin Luther King, Jr., Desmond Tutu). I think the > Nobel committee, in awarding Obama the prize, was also rewarding the > fact that something profound had happened in a nation that was founded > on racial genocide, built on racist slavery, and held back for a > hundred-plus years by vestiges of hateful bigotry (which can still be > found on display at teabagger rallies and daily talk radio). The fact > that this one man could cause this seismic historical event to occur > -- and to do so with such grace and humility, never succumbing to the > bait, but still not backing down (yes, he asked to be sworn in as > "Barack Hussein Obama"!) -- is more than reason enough he should be in > Oslo to meet the King on December 10. Maybe he could take us along > with him. 'Cause I also suspect the Nobel committee was tipping its > hat to all of us -- we, the American people, had conquered some of our > racism and did the truly unexpected. After seeing searing images of > our black fellow citizens left to drown in New Orleans -- and poor > whites seeing their own treated no better than the black man they had > been raised to hate -- we had all seen enough. It was time for change. > > Thank you, Barack Obama, for giving us the opportunity to redeem > ourselves. Now for the tasks ahead. We need you to do all that you > promised to do. We need it. The world needs it. > > My prediction for the future? You become the first *two-time* winner > of the Nobel Peace Prize! Yeah! > > Fred (that's Norwegian for "Peace"), > Michael Moore > MMFlint at aol.com > MichaelMoore.com > > > Join Mike's Mailing List | Join Mike's Facebook Group | Follow Mike on > Twitter | Become Mike's MySpace Friend > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Chuck Minne > *To:* citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net > > *Sent:* Sunday, October 11, 2009 6:47 PM > *Subject:* [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" > > > Foreign Newspapers on Obama?s Nobel Prize Victory > > October 10th, 2009 | By: Michael van der Galien > > Tags: Barack Obama , > News , Nobel Peace Prize > , PoliGazette > , Politics > > Leave a comment > > | Trackback > > > obama nobel peace prize > > The left-wing NRC Handelsblad > > (Netherlands): ?What got into the committee to award this prize to > a man who has yet to live up to the high expectations? *Were they > drunk??* > > Center-left to center Volkskrant > > (Netherlands): ?It?s clear that Obama has increasingly more > difficulty meeting expectations. His inspiring words about peace > and deproliferation have yet to be supported by any concrete > results. What is meant to be a reward [for great achievements], > could very well end up being tremendous burden for Obama.? > > The right-of-center Telegraaf > > (Netherlands): ?This isn?t the first mistake of the Committee, but > it is the biggest. The value of the Nobel Peace Prize has been > diminished.? > > Benedict Brogan, writing for the British newspaper the Telegraph > : > ?To reward him for a blank results sheet, to inflate him when he > has no achievements to his name, makes a mockery of what, let?s > face it, is an already fairly discredited process (remember > Rigoberta Menchu in 1992? Ha!). That?s not the point. What this > does is accelerate the elevation of President Obama to a comedy > confection, which he does not deserve, and gives his critics yet > another bat to whack him with. Shame on the Swedes Norwegians*. He > should turn it down, even if he does look great in white tie and > tails.? > > The Times of London > : > ?Rarely has an award had such an obvious political and partisan > intent. It was clearly seen by the Norwegian Nobel committee as a > way of expressing European gratitude for an end to the Bush > Administration, approval for the election of America?s first black > president and hope that Washington will honour its promise to > re-engage with the world. > > ?Instead, the prize risks looking preposterous in its claims, > patronising in its intentions and demeaning in its attempt to > build up a man who has barely begun his period in office, let > alone achieved any tangible outcome for peace.? > > Left-wing rag the Guardian > : > ?Indeed, the reasoning behind the awarding of the prize to > previous American presidents has been easier to discern. Teddy > Roosevelt opened the court of arbitration in the Hague and helped > mediate a peace treaty between Russia and Japan; Woodrow Wilson > was the founder of the League of Nations. Jimmy Carter won his > prize for his ?untiring efforts to find peaceful solutions to > international conflicts?. > > ?Which is what makes the awarding of this year?s prize to a > president who has been in office for a mere nine months an odd > departure. It is as if the prize committee had been persuaded to > give the award on the future delivery of promises.? > > The Sydney Morning Herald > : > ?YES, surprisingly, he could. Barack Obama, is the shock choice > for the Nobel Peace Prize, less than a year after his election as > U.S. President.? > > Il Giornale > > (Italy): ?Let me be clear: the discourse on Islam in Cairo was > beautiful, tall, and it opens up new horizons, but did not lead to > anything. And on the other matter, as pointed out repeatedly in > this blog, Obama has been evasive or inconclusive, starting with > Iran and Afghanistan. Nor can he boast the merits of rapprochement > with North Korea, which was brought about by Bill Clinton. He kept > only one real promise: the gradual withdrawal from Iraq. Enough to > deserve the Nobel Prize?? > > Center-left the Spiegel > > (Germany): ?The Nobel Peace Prize has come too early for Barack > Obama. The US president cannot point to any real diplomatic > successes to date and there are few prospects of any to come.? > > National Post > > (Canada): ?Obama is being given his award for mere words ? for > striking fashionable poses in favour of multilateralism, for > making a nice speech in Cairo, for offering ?hope.? Months after > Americans learned to dismiss Obama?s 2008 presidential campaign > slogans as the meaningless bromides they were, Scandinavians are > still drinking his Kool-aid.? > > > > "*_most of those bankrupted by medical problems had health > insurance"_* > *_"Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to college."_* > *_"Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health > insurance."_* > > > *Medical problems contributed to nearly two-thirds (62.1 percent) > of all bankruptcies in 2007*, according to a study in the August > issue of the American Journal of Medicine that was published today > online. The data were collected prior to the current economic > downturn and hence likely understate the current burden of > financial suffering. Between 2001 and 2007, the proportion of all > bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6 > percent. The authors? previous 2001 findings have been widely > cited by policy leaders, including President Obama. > > *_Surprisingly, most of those bankrupted by medical problems had > health insurance. More than three-quarters (77.9 percent) were > insured at the start of the bankrupting illness,_* including 60.3 > percent who had private coverage. Most of the medically bankrupt > were solidly middle class before financial disaster hit. > *_Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to > college._* In many cases, high medical bills coincided with a loss > of income as illness forced breadwinners to lose time from work. > *_Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health > insurance._* > > From: > http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/content/more-medical-bankruptcy-have-insurance-go-bankrupt > > > > > "*_most of those bankrupted by medical problems had health > insurance"_* > *_"Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to college."_* > *_"Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health > insurance."_* > > > *Medical problems contributed to nearly two-thirds (62.1 percent) > of all bankruptcies in 2007*, according to a study in the August > issue of the American Journal of Medicine that was published today > online. The data were collected prior to the current economic > downturn and hence likely understate the current burden of > financial suffering. Between 2001 and 2007, the proportion of all > bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6 > percent. The authors? previous 2001 findings have been widely > cited by policy leaders, including President Obama. > > *_Surprisingly, most of those bankrupted by medical problems had > health insurance. More than three-quarters (77.9 percent) were > insured at the start of the bankrupting illness,_* including 60.3 > percent who had private coverage. Most of the medically bankrupt > were solidly middle class before financial disaster hit. > *_Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to > college._* In many cases, high medical bills coincided with a loss > of income as illness forced breadwinners to lose time from work. > *_Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health > insurance._* > > From: > http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/content/more-medical-bankruptcy-have-insurance-go-bankrupt > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > CitizensTruth mailing list > CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > website: http://citizenstruth.info > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > CitizensTruth mailing list > CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > website: http://citizenstruth.info > From dimension04 at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 12 20:11:47 2009 From: dimension04 at sbcglobal.net (Connie Smith) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:11:47 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" In-Reply-To: <4AD3BAA3.8060008@thetwofacesofmoney.com> References: <89391.96228.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4AD3BAA3.8060008@thetwofacesofmoney.com> Message-ID: Good and well-informed points, as always, Geri. Re, the "hope" thing. A LITTLE more to it than that is my surprise that given a potential 4-8 years in office, there's so much conviction, it seems, that in less than one year he's a Failure, or worse. Could all this be "premature speculation"? I think his rise to power is founded on his natural abilities -- BUT, I understand that like Kucinich, all the natural abilities in the world can't "get you there" if you don't have the backing of the powers-that-be. I still wonder whether They are using Barack -- or given time, it will turn out that he has used Them. That it's been his strategy all along to use them to get to where, well actually -- to where he CAME FROM and bless the world with it -- and that would be his mom's and grandma's life-long grooming to truly love and help humanity. The ptb, or mom and gram. Hmmmmm...which will it turn out to be... ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geri Perry" To: "Connie Smith" Cc: "Chuck Minne" ; Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" > And there is yet another perspective . . . > > This one holds that Obama, like so many before him, is little more than a > puppet. > > How else can we explain his meteoric rise from total obscurity to become- > in one giant leap - president of the Unite States, and tainted no less by > the same Rezco scandal that so heavily damaged the Blago image? > > We can guess who pulls the strings, but following the money is a good > start. > > Amazingly poor timing was evident when Obama convened his war council for > crucial talks on Afghan strategy within hours after being named Nobel > Peace Laureate. This may be due to the fact that, as Chalmers Johnson > posits in Sorrows of Empire, CentCom pulls the shots on foreign policy, > not the pres. (Or maybe now its NATO?) > > I'm no fan of Michael Moore but there is something to be said for those > who at least HOPE the president will do right by the people and not the > money power. Wishful thinking in the face of current facts, but WAY better > than actually "hoping he will fail" as Rush Limbaugh has publicly AND > wrongly asserted. > > Geri P > > Connie Smith wrote: >> Or...we could consider another point of view: >> >> *Get Off Obama's Back ...second thoughts from Michael Moore* >> >> Saturday, October 10th, 2009 >> >> Friends, >> >> ...I went back and re-read what I had written. And _I listened for far >> too long yesterday to the right wing hate machine who did what they could >> to crap all over Barack's big day. Did I -- and others on the left -- do >> the same? _ >> >> We are weary, weary of war. The trillions that will have gone to these >> two wars have helped to bankrupt us as a nation -- financially and >> morally. To think of all the good we could have done with all that money! >> Two months of the War in Iraq would pay for all the wells that need to be >> dug in the Third World for drinking water! Obama is moving too slow for >> most of us -- but he needs to know we are with him and we stand beside >> him as he attempts to turn eight years of sheer madness around. Who could >> do that in nine months? Superman? Thor? Mitch McConnell? >> >> Instead of waiting to see what the president is going to do, we all need >> to be pro-active and push the agenda that we want to see enacted. What >> keeps us from forming the same local groups we put together to get out >> the vote last November? C'mon! We're the majority now -- the majority by >> a significant margin! We call the shots -- and we need to tell this wimpy >> Congress to get busy and do what we say -- or else. >> >> All I ask of those who voted for Obama is to not pile on him too quickly. >> Yes, make your voice heard (his phone number is 202-456-1414). But don't >> abandon the best hope we've had in our lifetime for change. And for God's >> sake, don't head to bummerville if he says or does something we don't >> like. Do you ever see Republicans behave that way? I mean, the Right had >> 20 years of Republican presidents and they still couldn't get prayer in >> the public schools, or outlaw abortion, or initiate a flat tax or put our >> Social Security into the stock market. They did a lot of damage, no doubt >> about that, but on the key issues that the Christian Right fought for, >> they came up nearly empty handed. No wonder they've been driven crazy >> lately. They'll never have it as good again as they've had it since >> Reagan took office. >> >> But -- do you ever see them looking all gloomy and defeated? No! They >> keep on fighting! Every day. Our side? At the first sign of wavering, we >> just pack up our toys and go home. >> >> So, at least for this weekend, let us celebrate what people elsewhere are >> celebrating -- that America now has a sane and smart man in the White >> House, a man who truly wants a world at peace for his two daughters. >> >> Many, for the past couple days (yes, myself included), have grumbled, >> "What has he done to earn this prize?" How 'bout this: >> >> The simple fact that he was elected was reason enough for him to be the >> recipient of this year's Nobel Peace Prize. >> >> Because on that day the murderous actions of the Bush/Cheney years were >> totally and thoroughly rebuked. One man -- a man who opposed the War in >> Iraq from the beginning -- offered to end the insanity. The world has >> stood by in utter horror for the past eight years as they watched the >> descendants of Washington, Lincoln and Jefferson light the fuse of our >> own self-destruction. We flipped off the nations on this planet by >> abandoning Kyoto and then proceeded to melt eight more years worth of the >> polar ice caps. We invaded two nations that didn't attack us, failed to >> find the real terrorists and, in effect, ignited our own wave of terror. >> People all over the world wondered if we had gone mad. >> >> And if all that wasn't enough, the outgoing Joker presided over the worst >> global financial collapse since the Great Depression. >> >> So, yeah, at precisely 11:00pm ET on November 4, 2008, Barack Obama won >> the Nobel Peace Prize. And the 66 million people who voted for him won >> it, too. By the time he took the stage at midnight ET in the Grant Park >> Historic Hippie Battlefield in downtown Chicago, billions of people >> around the globe were already breathing a huge sigh of relief. It was as >> if, in that instant, one man did bring the promise of peace to the >> world -- and most were ready to go wherever he wanted to go to achieve >> that end. Never before had the election of one man made every other >> nation feel like they had won, too. When you've got billions of people >> ready, willing and able to join a cause like this, well, a prize in Oslo >> is the least that you deserve. >> >> One other thought. The Peace Prize historically has been given to those >> who have worked to throw off the yoke of racial discrimination and >> segregation (Martin Luther King, Jr., Desmond Tutu). I think the Nobel >> committee, in awarding Obama the prize, was also rewarding the fact that >> something profound had happened in a nation that was founded on racial >> genocide, built on racist slavery, and held back for a hundred-plus years >> by vestiges of hateful bigotry (which can still be found on display at >> teabagger rallies and daily talk radio). The fact that this one man could >> cause this seismic historical event to occur -- and to do so with such >> grace and humility, never succumbing to the bait, but still not backing >> down (yes, he asked to be sworn in as "Barack Hussein Obama"!) -- is more >> than reason enough he should be in Oslo to meet the King on December 10. >> Maybe he could take us along with him. 'Cause I also suspect the Nobel >> committee was tipping its hat to all of us -- we, the American people, >> had conquered some of our racism and did the truly unexpected. After >> seeing searing images of our black fellow citizens left to drown in New >> Orleans -- and poor whites seeing their own treated no better than the >> black man they had been raised to hate -- we had all seen enough. It was >> time for change. >> >> Thank you, Barack Obama, for giving us the opportunity to redeem >> ourselves. Now for the tasks ahead. We need you to do all that you >> promised to do. We need it. The world needs it. >> >> My prediction for the future? You become the first *two-time* winner of >> the Nobel Peace Prize! Yeah! >> >> Fred (that's Norwegian for "Peace"), >> Michael Moore >> MMFlint at aol.com >> MichaelMoore.com >> >> >> Join Mike's Mailing List | Join Mike's Facebook Group | Follow Mike on >> Twitter | Become Mike's MySpace Friend >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Chuck Minne >> *To:* citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net >> >> *Sent:* Sunday, October 11, 2009 6:47 PM >> *Subject:* [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" >> >> >> Foreign Newspapers on Obama?s Nobel Prize Victory >> >> October 10th, 2009 | By: Michael van der Galien >> >> Tags: Barack Obama , >> News , Nobel Peace Prize >> , PoliGazette >> , Politics >> >> Leave a comment >> >> >> | Trackback >> >> >> >> obama nobel peace prize >> The left-wing NRC Handelsblad >> >> (Netherlands): ?What got into the committee to award this prize to >> a man who has yet to live up to the high expectations? *Were they >> drunk??* >> Center-left to center Volkskrant >> >> (Netherlands): ?It?s clear that Obama has increasingly more >> difficulty meeting expectations. His inspiring words about peace >> and deproliferation have yet to be supported by any concrete >> results. What is meant to be a reward [for great achievements], >> could very well end up being tremendous burden for Obama.? >> The right-of-center Telegraaf >> >> >> (Netherlands): ?This isn?t the first mistake of the Committee, but >> it is the biggest. The value of the Nobel Peace Prize has been >> diminished.? >> Benedict Brogan, writing for the British newspaper the Telegraph >> >> : >> ?To reward him for a blank results sheet, to inflate him when he >> has no achievements to his name, makes a mockery of what, let?s >> face it, is an already fairly discredited process (remember >> Rigoberta Menchu in 1992? Ha!). That?s not the point. What this >> does is accelerate the elevation of President Obama to a comedy >> confection, which he does not deserve, and gives his critics yet >> another bat to whack him with. Shame on the Swedes Norwegians*. He >> should turn it down, even if he does look great in white tie and >> tails.? >> The Times of London >> >> : >> ?Rarely has an award had such an obvious political and partisan >> intent. It was clearly seen by the Norwegian Nobel committee as a >> way of expressing European gratitude for an end to the Bush >> Administration, approval for the election of America?s first black >> president and hope that Washington will honour its promise to >> re-engage with the world. >> ?Instead, the prize risks looking preposterous in its claims, >> patronising in its intentions and demeaning in its attempt to >> build up a man who has barely begun his period in office, let >> alone achieved any tangible outcome for peace.? >> Left-wing rag the Guardian >> >> : >> ?Indeed, the reasoning behind the awarding of the prize to >> previous American presidents has been easier to discern. Teddy >> Roosevelt opened the court of arbitration in the Hague and helped >> mediate a peace treaty between Russia and Japan; Woodrow Wilson >> was the founder of the League of Nations. Jimmy Carter won his >> prize for his ?untiring efforts to find peaceful solutions to >> international conflicts?. >> ?Which is what makes the awarding of this year?s prize to a >> president who has been in office for a mere nine months an odd >> departure. It is as if the prize committee had been persuaded to >> give the award on the future delivery of promises.? >> The Sydney Morning Herald >> >> : >> ?YES, surprisingly, he could. Barack Obama, is the shock choice >> for the Nobel Peace Prize, less than a year after his election as >> U.S. President.? >> Il Giornale >> >> >> (Italy): ?Let me be clear: the discourse on Islam in Cairo was >> beautiful, tall, and it opens up new horizons, but did not lead to >> anything. And on the other matter, as pointed out repeatedly in >> this blog, Obama has been evasive or inconclusive, starting with >> Iran and Afghanistan. Nor can he boast the merits of rapprochement >> with North Korea, which was brought about by Bill Clinton. He kept >> only one real promise: the gradual withdrawal from Iraq. Enough to >> deserve the Nobel Prize?? >> Center-left the Spiegel >> >> (Germany): ?The Nobel Peace Prize has come too early for Barack >> Obama. The US president cannot point to any real diplomatic >> successes to date and there are few prospects of any to come.? >> National Post >> >> >> (Canada): ?Obama is being given his award for mere words ? for >> striking fashionable poses in favour of multilateralism, for >> making a nice speech in Cairo, for offering ?hope.? Months after >> Americans learned to dismiss Obama?s 2008 presidential campaign >> slogans as the meaningless bromides they were, Scandinavians are >> still drinking his Kool-aid.? >> >> "*_most of those bankrupted by medical problems had health >> insurance"_* >> *_"Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to >> college."_* >> *_"Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health >> insurance."_* >> *Medical problems contributed to nearly two-thirds (62.1 percent) >> of all bankruptcies in 2007*, according to a study in the August >> issue of the American Journal of Medicine that was published today >> online. The data were collected prior to the current economic >> downturn and hence likely understate the current burden of >> financial suffering. Between 2001 and 2007, the proportion of all >> bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6 >> percent. The authors? previous 2001 findings have been widely >> cited by policy leaders, including President Obama. >> *_Surprisingly, most of those bankrupted by medical problems had >> health insurance. More than three-quarters (77.9 percent) were >> insured at the start of the bankrupting illness,_* including 60.3 >> percent who had private coverage. Most of the medically bankrupt >> were solidly middle class before financial disaster hit. >> *_Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to >> college._* In many cases, high medical bills coincided with a loss >> of income as illness forced breadwinners to lose time from work. >> *_Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health >> insurance._* >> From: >> >> http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/content/more-medical-bankruptcy-have-insurance-go-bankrupt >> >> >> "*_most of those bankrupted by medical problems had health >> insurance"_* >> *_"Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to >> college."_* >> *_"Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health >> insurance."_* >> *Medical problems contributed to nearly two-thirds (62.1 percent) >> of all bankruptcies in 2007*, according to a study in the August >> issue of the American Journal of Medicine that was published today >> online. The data were collected prior to the current economic >> downturn and hence likely understate the current burden of >> financial suffering. Between 2001 and 2007, the proportion of all >> bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6 >> percent. The authors? previous 2001 findings have been widely >> cited by policy leaders, including President Obama. >> *_Surprisingly, most of those bankrupted by medical problems had >> health insurance. More than three-quarters (77.9 percent) were >> insured at the start of the bankrupting illness,_* including 60.3 >> percent who had private coverage. Most of the medically bankrupt >> were solidly middle class before financial disaster hit. >> *_Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to >> college._* In many cases, high medical bills coincided with a loss >> of income as illness forced breadwinners to lose time from work. >> *_Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health >> insurance._* >> From: >> >> http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/content/more-medical-bankruptcy-have-insurance-go-bankrupt >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> _______________________________________________ >> CitizensTruth mailing list >> CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth >> website: http://citizenstruth.info >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CitizensTruth mailing list >> CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth >> website: http://citizenstruth.info >> From snug.bug at hotmail.com Mon Oct 12 20:52:50 2009 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:52:50 -0700 Subject: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" In-Reply-To: References: <89391.96228.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Obama lost me when he voted for the telecom wiretap immunity bill after promising that he would filibuster to oppose it. He never explained why he voted for it. He was a constitutional scholar and he understood the issues, and he was a lawyer who understood that the bill would stop the 50 pending lawsuits' discovery process that would have revealed the depth and breadth of the wiretap violations. I would like to believe that he's a good guy who will at some dramatic point whip off his Bush-lite mask and show us who he really is, but I already went through that process with Kerry. Through the whole Ohio recount process in 2004 I kept telling everybody--"You just watch, the Democrats know what they're doing. This is a trap for Bush." I was wrong. From 2006 to 2008 the Dems told us "We must appease and concentrate on winning the next election." So now that it's won, we must keep on appeasing? On his third day in office Obama declared his contempt for international law, the Nuremberg Principles, the UN, and simple human decency by ordering drone missile attacks on Pakistan that killed 14 civilians. He's a war criminal. > From: dimension04 at sbcglobal.net > To: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com > Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:11:47 -0500 > CC: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net > Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" > > > > Good and well-informed points, as always, Geri. > > Re, the "hope" thing. A LITTLE more to it than that is my surprise that > given a potential 4-8 years in office, there's so much conviction, it seems, > that in less than one year he's a Failure, or worse. Could all this be > "premature speculation"? > > I think his rise to power is founded on his natural abilities -- BUT, I > understand that like Kucinich, all the natural abilities in the world can't > "get you there" if you don't have the backing of the powers-that-be. > > I still wonder whether They are using Barack -- or given time, it will turn > out that he has used Them. That it's been his strategy all along to use > them to get to where, well actually -- to where he CAME FROM and bless the > world with it -- and that would be his mom's and grandma's life-long > grooming to truly love and help humanity. > > The ptb, or mom and gram. Hmmmmm...which will it turn out to be... > > ? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Geri Perry" > To: "Connie Smith" > Cc: "Chuck Minne" ; > Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 6:24 PM > Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" > > > > And there is yet another perspective . . . > > > > This one holds that Obama, like so many before him, is little more than a > > puppet. > > > > How else can we explain his meteoric rise from total obscurity to become- > > in one giant leap - president of the Unite States, and tainted no less by > > the same Rezco scandal that so heavily damaged the Blago image? > > > > We can guess who pulls the strings, but following the money is a good > > start. > > > > Amazingly poor timing was evident when Obama convened his war council for > > crucial talks on Afghan strategy within hours after being named Nobel > > Peace Laureate. This may be due to the fact that, as Chalmers Johnson > > posits in Sorrows of Empire, CentCom pulls the shots on foreign policy, > > not the pres. (Or maybe now its NATO?) > > > > I'm no fan of Michael Moore but there is something to be said for those > > who at least HOPE the president will do right by the people and not the > > money power. Wishful thinking in the face of current facts, but WAY better > > than actually "hoping he will fail" as Rush Limbaugh has publicly AND > > wrongly asserted. > > > > Geri P > > > > Connie Smith wrote: > >> Or...we could consider another point of view: > >> > >> *Get Off Obama's Back ...second thoughts from Michael Moore* > >> > >> Saturday, October 10th, 2009 > >> > >> Friends, > >> > >> ...I went back and re-read what I had written. And _I listened for far > >> too long yesterday to the right wing hate machine who did what they could > >> to crap all over Barack's big day. Did I -- and others on the left -- do > >> the same? _ > >> > >> We are weary, weary of war. The trillions that will have gone to these > >> two wars have helped to bankrupt us as a nation -- financially and > >> morally. To think of all the good we could have done with all that money! > >> Two months of the War in Iraq would pay for all the wells that need to be > >> dug in the Third World for drinking water! Obama is moving too slow for > >> most of us -- but he needs to know we are with him and we stand beside > >> him as he attempts to turn eight years of sheer madness around. Who could > >> do that in nine months? Superman? Thor? Mitch McConnell? > >> > >> Instead of waiting to see what the president is going to do, we all need > >> to be pro-active and push the agenda that we want to see enacted. What > >> keeps us from forming the same local groups we put together to get out > >> the vote last November? C'mon! We're the majority now -- the majority by > >> a significant margin! We call the shots -- and we need to tell this wimpy > >> Congress to get busy and do what we say -- or else. > >> > >> All I ask of those who voted for Obama is to not pile on him too quickly. > >> Yes, make your voice heard (his phone number is 202-456-1414). But don't > >> abandon the best hope we've had in our lifetime for change. And for God's > >> sake, don't head to bummerville if he says or does something we don't > >> like. Do you ever see Republicans behave that way? I mean, the Right had > >> 20 years of Republican presidents and they still couldn't get prayer in > >> the public schools, or outlaw abortion, or initiate a flat tax or put our > >> Social Security into the stock market. They did a lot of damage, no doubt > >> about that, but on the key issues that the Christian Right fought for, > >> they came up nearly empty handed. No wonder they've been driven crazy > >> lately. They'll never have it as good again as they've had it since > >> Reagan took office. > >> > >> But -- do you ever see them looking all gloomy and defeated? No! They > >> keep on fighting! Every day. Our side? At the first sign of wavering, we > >> just pack up our toys and go home. > >> > >> So, at least for this weekend, let us celebrate what people elsewhere are > >> celebrating -- that America now has a sane and smart man in the White > >> House, a man who truly wants a world at peace for his two daughters. > >> > >> Many, for the past couple days (yes, myself included), have grumbled, > >> "What has he done to earn this prize?" How 'bout this: > >> > >> The simple fact that he was elected was reason enough for him to be the > >> recipient of this year's Nobel Peace Prize. > >> > >> Because on that day the murderous actions of the Bush/Cheney years were > >> totally and thoroughly rebuked. One man -- a man who opposed the War in > >> Iraq from the beginning -- offered to end the insanity. The world has > >> stood by in utter horror for the past eight years as they watched the > >> descendants of Washington, Lincoln and Jefferson light the fuse of our > >> own self-destruction. We flipped off the nations on this planet by > >> abandoning Kyoto and then proceeded to melt eight more years worth of the > >> polar ice caps. We invaded two nations that didn't attack us, failed to > >> find the real terrorists and, in effect, ignited our own wave of terror. > >> People all over the world wondered if we had gone mad. > >> > >> And if all that wasn't enough, the outgoing Joker presided over the worst > >> global financial collapse since the Great Depression. > >> > >> So, yeah, at precisely 11:00pm ET on November 4, 2008, Barack Obama won > >> the Nobel Peace Prize. And the 66 million people who voted for him won > >> it, too. By the time he took the stage at midnight ET in the Grant Park > >> Historic Hippie Battlefield in downtown Chicago, billions of people > >> around the globe were already breathing a huge sigh of relief. It was as > >> if, in that instant, one man did bring the promise of peace to the > >> world -- and most were ready to go wherever he wanted to go to achieve > >> that end. Never before had the election of one man made every other > >> nation feel like they had won, too. When you've got billions of people > >> ready, willing and able to join a cause like this, well, a prize in Oslo > >> is the least that you deserve. > >> > >> One other thought. The Peace Prize historically has been given to those > >> who have worked to throw off the yoke of racial discrimination and > >> segregation (Martin Luther King, Jr., Desmond Tutu). I think the Nobel > >> committee, in awarding Obama the prize, was also rewarding the fact that > >> something profound had happened in a nation that was founded on racial > >> genocide, built on racist slavery, and held back for a hundred-plus years > >> by vestiges of hateful bigotry (which can still be found on display at > >> teabagger rallies and daily talk radio). The fact that this one man could > >> cause this seismic historical event to occur -- and to do so with such > >> grace and humility, never succumbing to the bait, but still not backing > >> down (yes, he asked to be sworn in as "Barack Hussein Obama"!) -- is more > >> than reason enough he should be in Oslo to meet the King on December 10. > >> Maybe he could take us along with him. 'Cause I also suspect the Nobel > >> committee was tipping its hat to all of us -- we, the American people, > >> had conquered some of our racism and did the truly unexpected. After > >> seeing searing images of our black fellow citizens left to drown in New > >> Orleans -- and poor whites seeing their own treated no better than the > >> black man they had been raised to hate -- we had all seen enough. It was > >> time for change. > >> > >> Thank you, Barack Obama, for giving us the opportunity to redeem > >> ourselves. Now for the tasks ahead. We need you to do all that you > >> promised to do. We need it. The world needs it. > >> > >> My prediction for the future? You become the first *two-time* winner of > >> the Nobel Peace Prize! Yeah! > >> > >> Fred (that's Norwegian for "Peace"), > >> Michael Moore > >> MMFlint at aol.com > >> MichaelMoore.com > >> > >> > >> Join Mike's Mailing List | Join Mike's Facebook Group | Follow Mike on > >> Twitter | Become Mike's MySpace Friend > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> *From:* Chuck Minne > >> *To:* citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net > >> > >> *Sent:* Sunday, October 11, 2009 6:47 PM > >> *Subject:* [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" > >> > >> > >> Foreign Newspapers on Obama?s Nobel Prize Victory > >> > >> October 10th, 2009 | By: Michael van der Galien > >> > >> Tags: Barack Obama , > >> News , Nobel Peace Prize > >> , PoliGazette > >> , Politics > >> > >> Leave a comment > >> > >> > >> | Trackback > >> > >> > >> > >> obama nobel peace prize > >> The left-wing NRC Handelsblad > >> > >> (Netherlands): ?What got into the committee to award this prize to > >> a man who has yet to live up to the high expectations? *Were they > >> drunk??* > >> Center-left to center Volkskrant > >> > >> (Netherlands): ?It?s clear that Obama has increasingly more > >> difficulty meeting expectations. His inspiring words about peace > >> and deproliferation have yet to be supported by any concrete > >> results. What is meant to be a reward [for great achievements], > >> could very well end up being tremendous burden for Obama.? > >> The right-of-center Telegraaf > >> > >> > >> (Netherlands): ?This isn?t the first mistake of the Committee, but > >> it is the biggest. The value of the Nobel Peace Prize has been > >> diminished.? > >> Benedict Brogan, writing for the British newspaper the Telegraph > >> > >> : > >> ?To reward him for a blank results sheet, to inflate him when he > >> has no achievements to his name, makes a mockery of what, let?s > >> face it, is an already fairly discredited process (remember > >> Rigoberta Menchu in 1992? Ha!). That?s not the point. What this > >> does is accelerate the elevation of President Obama to a comedy > >> confection, which he does not deserve, and gives his critics yet > >> another bat to whack him with. Shame on the Swedes Norwegians*. He > >> should turn it down, even if he does look great in white tie and > >> tails.? > >> The Times of London > >> > >> : > >> ?Rarely has an award had such an obvious political and partisan > >> intent. It was clearly seen by the Norwegian Nobel committee as a > >> way of expressing European gratitude for an end to the Bush > >> Administration, approval for the election of America?s first black > >> president and hope that Washington will honour its promise to > >> re-engage with the world. > >> ?Instead, the prize risks looking preposterous in its claims, > >> patronising in its intentions and demeaning in its attempt to > >> build up a man who has barely begun his period in office, let > >> alone achieved any tangible outcome for peace.? > >> Left-wing rag the Guardian > >> > >> : > >> ?Indeed, the reasoning behind the awarding of the prize to > >> previous American presidents has been easier to discern. Teddy > >> Roosevelt opened the court of arbitration in the Hague and helped > >> mediate a peace treaty between Russia and Japan; Woodrow Wilson > >> was the founder of the League of Nations. Jimmy Carter won his > >> prize for his ?untiring efforts to find peaceful solutions to > >> international conflicts?. > >> ?Which is what makes the awarding of this year?s prize to a > >> president who has been in office for a mere nine months an odd > >> departure. It is as if the prize committee had been persuaded to > >> give the award on the future delivery of promises.? > >> The Sydney Morning Herald > >> > >> : > >> ?YES, surprisingly, he could. Barack Obama, is the shock choice > >> for the Nobel Peace Prize, less than a year after his election as > >> U.S. President.? > >> Il Giornale > >> > >> > >> (Italy): ?Let me be clear: the discourse on Islam in Cairo was > >> beautiful, tall, and it opens up new horizons, but did not lead to > >> anything. And on the other matter, as pointed out repeatedly in > >> this blog, Obama has been evasive or inconclusive, starting with > >> Iran and Afghanistan. Nor can he boast the merits of rapprochement > >> with North Korea, which was brought about by Bill Clinton. He kept > >> only one real promise: the gradual withdrawal from Iraq. Enough to > >> deserve the Nobel Prize?? > >> Center-left the Spiegel > >> > >> (Germany): ?The Nobel Peace Prize has come too early for Barack > >> Obama. The US president cannot point to any real diplomatic > >> successes to date and there are few prospects of any to come.? > >> National Post > >> > >> > >> (Canada): ?Obama is being given his award for mere words ? for > >> striking fashionable poses in favour of multilateralism, for > >> making a nice speech in Cairo, for offering ?hope.? Months after > >> Americans learned to dismiss Obama?s 2008 presidential campaign > >> slogans as the meaningless bromides they were, Scandinavians are > >> still drinking his Kool-aid.? > >> > >> "*_most of those bankrupted by medical problems had health > >> insurance"_* > >> *_"Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to > >> college."_* > >> *_"Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health > >> insurance."_* > >> *Medical problems contributed to nearly two-thirds (62.1 percent) > >> of all bankruptcies in 2007*, according to a study in the August > >> issue of the American Journal of Medicine that was published today > >> online. The data were collected prior to the current economic > >> downturn and hence likely understate the current burden of > >> financial suffering. Between 2001 and 2007, the proportion of all > >> bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6 > >> percent. The authors? previous 2001 findings have been widely > >> cited by policy leaders, including President Obama. > >> *_Surprisingly, most of those bankrupted by medical problems had > >> health insurance. More than three-quarters (77.9 percent) were > >> insured at the start of the bankrupting illness,_* including 60.3 > >> percent who had private coverage. Most of the medically bankrupt > >> were solidly middle class before financial disaster hit. > >> *_Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to > >> college._* In many cases, high medical bills coincided with a loss > >> of income as illness forced breadwinners to lose time from work. > >> *_Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health > >> insurance._* > >> From: > >> > >> http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/content/more-medical-bankruptcy-have-insurance-go-bankrupt > >> > >> > >> "*_most of those bankrupted by medical problems had health > >> insurance"_* > >> *_"Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to > >> college."_* > >> *_"Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health > >> insurance."_* > >> *Medical problems contributed to nearly two-thirds (62.1 percent) > >> of all bankruptcies in 2007*, according to a study in the August > >> issue of the American Journal of Medicine that was published today > >> online. The data were collected prior to the current economic > >> downturn and hence likely understate the current burden of > >> financial suffering. Between 2001 and 2007, the proportion of all > >> bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6 > >> percent. The authors? previous 2001 findings have been widely > >> cited by policy leaders, including President Obama. > >> *_Surprisingly, most of those bankrupted by medical problems had > >> health insurance. More than three-quarters (77.9 percent) were > >> insured at the start of the bankrupting illness,_* including 60.3 > >> percent who had private coverage. Most of the medically bankrupt > >> were solidly middle class before financial disaster hit. > >> *_Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to > >> college._* In many cases, high medical bills coincided with a loss > >> of income as illness forced breadwinners to lose time from work. > >> *_Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health > >> insurance._* > >> From: > >> > >> http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/content/more-medical-bankruptcy-have-insurance-go-bankrupt > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> _______________________________________________ > >> CitizensTruth mailing list > >> CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > >> website: http://citizenstruth.info > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> CitizensTruth mailing list > >> CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > >> website: http://citizenstruth.info > >> > > _______________________________________________ > CitizensTruth mailing list > CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > website: http://citizenstruth.info _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aroyboy44 at hotmail.com Tue Oct 13 01:12:50 2009 From: aroyboy44 at hotmail.com (andrew ritter) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 05:12:50 +0000 Subject: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" In-Reply-To: References: <89391.96228.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The "Prize" is more proof that the propaganda machine is a global operation. Put him up on a global peace pedestal and people will ignore his actions. Orwell continues to be right. War = Peace in today's society. Lets look at some of Barack's peaceful accomplishments: - Continue to wage a never-ending war for oil and land and contracts and resources in Iraq while calling it a 'withdrawal'. - Step up the troop level and killing of civilians and "terrorists" in Afghanistan while taking control of as much of the opium trade as possible - Order tons of illegal drone strikes in Pakistan - Quietly order and carry out a coup of the leadership in Honduras. Ignore that the citizens of that country are living in a nightmare scenario of martial law - Continue torturing prisoners abroad and suppress photographs that show abuse and make sure no one involved in torture in the past ever gets held accountable - Help your Big pharma buddies to make a killing off the swine flu while helping to spread the disease further through the already proven to be dangerous nasal vaccines. - Make constant threats to Iran while carrying out military drills that prepare your troops for a possible war there - Refuse to meet with the Dali Lama because you don't want to upset China - Quietly conduct military operations in Somalia - Bail out the rich cause they need it while the unemployment rate goes up and up and up I have to disagree about hope. Hope is a paralyzing and passive emotion. They want you to sit on your but and "hope" while they continue to steal and murder. My advice is to ditch all of your hope and instead do something about whatever you are "hoping" on. Because hope is completely disempowering. You are letting go of your ability to affect the world in a real and active way and putting all your "hopes" in the hands of the ruling elite who do not give 2 sticks of butter about you except to the extent that they can use and abuse you. Actions speak louder then words and peace prizes. From: snug.bug at hotmail.com To: dimension04 at sbcglobal.net; geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:52:50 -0700 CC: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" Obama lost me when he voted for the telecom wiretap immunity bill after promising that he would filibuster to oppose it. He never explained why he voted for it. He was a constitutional scholar and he understood the issues, and he was a lawyer who understood that the bill would stop the 50 pending lawsuits' discovery process that would have revealed the depth and breadth of the wiretap violations. I would like to believe that he's a good guy who will at some dramatic point whip off his Bush-lite mask and show us who he really is, but I already went through that process with Kerry. Through the whole Ohio recount process in 2004 I kept telling everybody--"You just watch, the Democrats know what they're doing. This is a trap for Bush." I was wrong. From 2006 to 2008 the Dems told us "We must appease and concentrate on winning the next election." So now that it's won, we must keep on appeasing? On his third day in office Obama declared his contempt for international law, the Nuremberg Principles, the UN, and simple human decency by ordering drone missile attacks on Pakistan that killed 14 civilians. He's a war criminal. > From: dimension04 at sbcglobal.net > To: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com > Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:11:47 -0500 > CC: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net > Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" > > > > Good and well-informed points, as always, Geri. > > Re, the "hope" thing. A LITTLE more to it than that is my surprise that > given a potential 4-8 years in office, there's so much conviction, it seems, > that in less than one year he's a Failure, or worse. Could all this be > "premature speculation"? > > I think his rise to power is founded on his natural abilities -- BUT, I > understand that like Kucinich, all the natural abilities in the world can't > "get you there" if you don't have the backing of the powers-that-be. > > I still wonder whether They are using Barack -- or given time, it will turn > out that he has used Them. That it's been his strategy all along to use > them to get to where, well actually -- to where he CAME FROM and bless the > world with it -- and that would be his mom's and grandma's life-long > grooming to truly love and help humanity. > > The ptb, or mom and gram. Hmmmmm...which will it turn out to be... > > ? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Geri Perry" > To: "Connie Smith" > Cc: "Chuck Minne" ; > Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 6:24 PM > Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" > > > > And there is yet another perspective . . . > > > > This one holds that Obama, like so many before him, is little more than a > > puppet. > > > > How else can we explain his meteoric rise from total obscurity to become- > > in one giant leap - president of the Unite States, and tainted no less by > > the same Rezco scandal that so heavily damaged the Blago image? > > > > We can guess who pulls the strings, but following the money is a good > > start. > > > > Amazingly poor timing was evident when Obama convened his war council for > > crucial talks on Afghan strategy within hours after being named Nobel > > Peace Laureate. This may be due to the fact that, as Chalmers Johnson > > posits in Sorrows of Empire, CentCom pulls the shots on foreign policy, > > not the pres. (Or maybe now its NATO?) > > > > I'm no fan of Michael Moore but there is something to be said for those > > who at least HOPE the president will do right by the people and not the > > money power. Wishful thinking in the face of current facts, but WAY better > > than actually "hoping he will fail" as Rush Limbaugh has publicly AND > > wrongly asserted. > > > > Geri P > > > > Connie Smith wrote: > >> Or...we could consider another point of view: > >> > >> *Get Off Obama's Back ...second thoughts from Michael Moore* > >> > >> Saturday, October 10th, 2009 > >> > >> Friends, > >> > >> ...I went back and re-read what I had written. And _I listened for far > >> too long yesterday to the right wing hate machine who did what they could > >> to crap all over Barack's big day. Did I -- and others on the left -- do > >> the same? _ > >> > >> We are weary, weary of war. The trillions that will have gone to these > >> two wars have helped to bankrupt us as a nation -- financially and > >> morally. To think of all the good we could have done with all that money! > >> Two months of the War in Iraq would pay for all the wells that need to be > >> dug in the Third World for drinking water! Obama is moving too slow for > >> most of us -- but he needs to know we are with him and we stand beside > >> him as he attempts to turn eight years of sheer madness around. Who could > >> do that in nine months? Superman? Thor? Mitch McConnell? > >> > >> Instead of waiting to see what the president is going to do, we all need > >> to be pro-active and push the agenda that we want to see enacted. What > >> keeps us from forming the same local groups we put together to get out > >> the vote last November? C'mon! We're the majority now -- the majority by > >> a significant margin! We call the shots -- and we need to tell this wimpy > >> Congress to get busy and do what we say -- or else. > >> > >> All I ask of those who voted for Obama is to not pile on him too quickly. > >> Yes, make your voice heard (his phone number is 202-456-1414). But don't > >> abandon the best hope we've had in our lifetime for change. And for God's > >> sake, don't head to bummerville if he says or does something we don't > >> like. Do you ever see Republicans behave that way? I mean, the Right had > >> 20 years of Republican presidents and they still couldn't get prayer in > >> the public schools, or outlaw abortion, or initiate a flat tax or put our > >> Social Security into the stock market. They did a lot of damage, no doubt > >> about that, but on the key issues that the Christian Right fought for, > >> they came up nearly empty handed. No wonder they've been driven crazy > >> lately. They'll never have it as good again as they've had it since > >> Reagan took office. > >> > >> But -- do you ever see them looking all gloomy and defeated? No! They > >> keep on fighting! Every day. Our side? At the first sign of wavering, we > >> just pack up our toys and go home. > >> > >> So, at least for this weekend, let us celebrate what people elsewhere are > >> celebrating -- that America now has a sane and smart man in the White > >> House, a man who truly wants a world at peace for his two daughters. > >> > >> Many, for the past couple days (yes, myself included), have grumbled, > >> "What has he done to earn this prize?" How 'bout this: > >> > >> The simple fact that he was elected was reason enough for him to be the > >> recipient of this year's Nobel Peace Prize. > >> > >> Because on that day the murderous actions of the Bush/Cheney years were > >> totally and thoroughly rebuked. One man -- a man who opposed the War in > >> Iraq from the beginning -- offered to end the insanity. The world has > >> stood by in utter horror for the past eight years as they watched the > >> descendants of Washington, Lincoln and Jefferson light the fuse of our > >> own self-destruction. We flipped off the nations on this planet by > >> abandoning Kyoto and then proceeded to melt eight more years worth of the > >> polar ice caps. We invaded two nations that didn't attack us, failed to > >> find the real terrorists and, in effect, ignited our own wave of terror. > >> People all over the world wondered if we had gone mad. > >> > >> And if all that wasn't enough, the outgoing Joker presided over the worst > >> global financial collapse since the Great Depression. > >> > >> So, yeah, at precisely 11:00pm ET on November 4, 2008, Barack Obama won > >> the Nobel Peace Prize. And the 66 million people who voted for him won > >> it, too. By the time he took the stage at midnight ET in the Grant Park > >> Historic Hippie Battlefield in downtown Chicago, billions of people > >> around the globe were already breathing a huge sigh of relief. It was as > >> if, in that instant, one man did bring the promise of peace to the > >> world -- and most were ready to go wherever he wanted to go to achieve > >> that end. Never before had the election of one man made every other > >> nation feel like they had won, too. When you've got billions of people > >> ready, willing and able to join a cause like this, well, a prize in Oslo > >> is the least that you deserve. > >> > >> One other thought. The Peace Prize historically has been given to those > >> who have worked to throw off the yoke of racial discrimination and > >> segregation (Martin Luther King, Jr., Desmond Tutu). I think the Nobel > >> committee, in awarding Obama the prize, was also rewarding the fact that > >> something profound had happened in a nation that was founded on racial > >> genocide, built on racist slavery, and held back for a hundred-plus years > >> by vestiges of hateful bigotry (which can still be found on display at > >> teabagger rallies and daily talk radio). The fact that this one man could > >> cause this seismic historical event to occur -- and to do so with such > >> grace and humility, never succumbing to the bait, but still not backing > >> down (yes, he asked to be sworn in as "Barack Hussein Obama"!) -- is more > >> than reason enough he should be in Oslo to meet the King on December 10. > >> Maybe he could take us along with him. 'Cause I also suspect the Nobel > >> committee was tipping its hat to all of us -- we, the American people, > >> had conquered some of our racism and did the truly unexpected. After > >> seeing searing images of our black fellow citizens left to drown in New > >> Orleans -- and poor whites seeing their own treated no better than the > >> black man they had been raised to hate -- we had all seen enough. It was > >> time for change. > >> > >> Thank you, Barack Obama, for giving us the opportunity to redeem > >> ourselves. Now for the tasks ahead. We need you to do all that you > >> promised to do. We need it. The world needs it. > >> > >> My prediction for the future? You become the first *two-time* winner of > >> the Nobel Peace Prize! Yeah! > >> > >> Fred (that's Norwegian for "Peace"), > >> Michael Moore > >> MMFlint at aol.com > >> MichaelMoore.com > >> > >> > >> Join Mike's Mailing List | Join Mike's Facebook Group | Follow Mike on > >> Twitter | Become Mike's MySpace Friend > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> *From:* Chuck Minne > >> *To:* citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net > >> > >> *Sent:* Sunday, October 11, 2009 6:47 PM > >> *Subject:* [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" > >> > >> > >> Foreign Newspapers on Obama?s Nobel Prize Victory > >> > >> October 10th, 2009 | By: Michael van der Galien > >> > >> Tags: Barack Obama , > >> News , Nobel Peace Prize > >> , PoliGazette > >> , Politics > >> > >> Leave a comment > >> > >> > >> | Trackback > >> > >> > >> > >> obama nobel peace prize > >> The left-wing NRC Handelsblad > >> > >> (Netherlands): ?What got into the committee to award this prize to > >> a man who has yet to live up to the high expectations? *Were they > >> drunk??* > >> Center-left to center Volkskrant > >> > >> (Netherlands): ?It?s clear that Obama has increasingly more > >> difficulty meeting expectations. His inspiring words about peace > >> and deproliferation have yet to be supported by any concrete > >> results. What is meant to be a reward [for great achievements], > >> could very well end up being tremendous burden for Obama.? > >> The right-of-center Telegraaf > >> > >> > >> (Netherlands): ?This isn?t the first mistake of the Committee, but > >> it is the biggest. The value of the Nobel Peace Prize has been > >> diminished.? > >> Benedict Brogan, writing for the British newspaper the Telegraph > >> > >> : > >> ?To reward him for a blank results sheet, to inflate him when he > >> has no achievements to his name, makes a mockery of what, let?s > >> face it, is an already fairly discredited process (remember > >> Rigoberta Menchu in 1992? Ha!). That?s not the point. What this > >> does is accelerate the elevation of President Obama to a comedy > >> confection, which he does not deserve, and gives his critics yet > >> another bat to whack him with. Shame on the Swedes Norwegians*. He > >> should turn it down, even if he does look great in white tie and > >> tails.? > >> The Times of London > >> > >> : > >> ?Rarely has an award had such an obvious political and partisan > >> intent. It was clearly seen by the Norwegian Nobel committee as a > >> way of expressing European gratitude for an end to the Bush > >> Administration, approval for the election of America?s first black > >> president and hope that Washington will honour its promise to > >> re-engage with the world. > >> ?Instead, the prize risks looking preposterous in its claims, > >> patronising in its intentions and demeaning in its attempt to > >> build up a man who has barely begun his period in office, let > >> alone achieved any tangible outcome for peace.? > >> Left-wing rag the Guardian > >> > >> : > >> ?Indeed, the reasoning behind the awarding of the prize to > >> previous American presidents has been easier to discern. Teddy > >> Roosevelt opened the court of arbitration in the Hague and helped > >> mediate a peace treaty between Russia and Japan; Woodrow Wilson > >> was the founder of the League of Nations. Jimmy Carter won his > >> prize for his ?untiring efforts to find peaceful solutions to > >> international conflicts?. > >> ?Which is what makes the awarding of this year?s prize to a > >> president who has been in office for a mere nine months an odd > >> departure. It is as if the prize committee had been persuaded to > >> give the award on the future delivery of promises.? > >> The Sydney Morning Herald > >> > >> : > >> ?YES, surprisingly, he could. Barack Obama, is the shock choice > >> for the Nobel Peace Prize, less than a year after his election as > >> U.S. President.? > >> Il Giornale > >> > >> > >> (Italy): ?Let me be clear: the discourse on Islam in Cairo was > >> beautiful, tall, and it opens up new horizons, but did not lead to > >> anything. And on the other matter, as pointed out repeatedly in > >> this blog, Obama has been evasive or inconclusive, starting with > >> Iran and Afghanistan. Nor can he boast the merits of rapprochement > >> with North Korea, which was brought about by Bill Clinton. He kept > >> only one real promise: the gradual withdrawal from Iraq. Enough to > >> deserve the Nobel Prize?? > >> Center-left the Spiegel > >> > >> (Germany): ?The Nobel Peace Prize has come too early for Barack > >> Obama. The US president cannot point to any real diplomatic > >> successes to date and there are few prospects of any to come.? > >> National Post > >> > >> > >> (Canada): ?Obama is being given his award for mere words ? for > >> striking fashionable poses in favour of multilateralism, for > >> making a nice speech in Cairo, for offering ?hope.? Months after > >> Americans learned to dismiss Obama?s 2008 presidential campaign > >> slogans as the meaningless bromides they were, Scandinavians are > >> still drinking his Kool-aid.? > >> > >> "*_most of those bankrupted by medical problems had health > >> insurance"_* > >> *_"Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to > >> college."_* > >> *_"Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health > >> insurance."_* > >> *Medical problems contributed to nearly two-thirds (62.1 percent) > >> of all bankruptcies in 2007*, according to a study in the August > >> issue of the American Journal of Medicine that was published today > >> online. The data were collected prior to the current economic > >> downturn and hence likely understate the current burden of > >> financial suffering. Between 2001 and 2007, the proportion of all > >> bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6 > >> percent. The authors? previous 2001 findings have been widely > >> cited by policy leaders, including President Obama. > >> *_Surprisingly, most of those bankrupted by medical problems had > >> health insurance. More than three-quarters (77.9 percent) were > >> insured at the start of the bankrupting illness,_* including 60.3 > >> percent who had private coverage. Most of the medically bankrupt > >> were solidly middle class before financial disaster hit. > >> *_Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to > >> college._* In many cases, high medical bills coincided with a loss > >> of income as illness forced breadwinners to lose time from work. > >> *_Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health > >> insurance._* > >> From: > >> > >> http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/content/more-medical-bankruptcy-have-insurance-go-bankrupt > >> > >> > >> "*_most of those bankrupted by medical problems had health > >> insurance"_* > >> *_"Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to > >> college."_* > >> *_"Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health > >> insurance."_* > >> *Medical problems contributed to nearly two-thirds (62.1 percent) > >> of all bankruptcies in 2007*, according to a study in the August > >> issue of the American Journal of Medicine that was published today > >> online. The data were collected prior to the current economic > >> downturn and hence likely understate the current burden of > >> financial suffering. Between 2001 and 2007, the proportion of all > >> bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6 > >> percent. The authors? previous 2001 findings have been widely > >> cited by policy leaders, including President Obama. > >> *_Surprisingly, most of those bankrupted by medical problems had > >> health insurance. More than three-quarters (77.9 percent) were > >> insured at the start of the bankrupting illness,_* including 60.3 > >> percent who had private coverage. Most of the medically bankrupt > >> were solidly middle class before financial disaster hit. > >> *_Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to > >> college._* In many cases, high medical bills coincided with a loss > >> of income as illness forced breadwinners to lose time from work. > >> *_Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health > >> insurance._* > >> From: > >> > >> http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/content/more-medical-bankruptcy-have-insurance-go-bankrupt > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> _______________________________________________ > >> CitizensTruth mailing list > >> CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > >> website: http://citizenstruth.info > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> CitizensTruth mailing list > >> CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > >> website: http://citizenstruth.info > >> > > _______________________________________________ > CitizensTruth mailing list > CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > website: http://citizenstruth.info Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dimension04 at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 13 02:19:57 2009 From: dimension04 at sbcglobal.net (Connie Smith) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 01:19:57 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" In-Reply-To: References: <89391.96228.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: responses in blue below... ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Good To: dimension04 at sbcglobal.net ; geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com Cc: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 7:52 PM Subject: RE: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" Obama lost me when he voted for the telecom wiretap immunity bill after promising that he would filibuster to oppose it. He never explained why he voted for it. He was a constitutional scholar and he understood the issues, and he was a lawyer who understood that the bill would stop the 50 pending lawsuits' discovery process that would have revealed the depth and breadth of the wiretap violations. There are numerous such examples -- IMHO, the wiretap immunity bill being no more egregious than other such issues! All of which might have to be shelved until he can create a safe beachhead in the WH -- something which JFK failed to do and paid the price. Hopefully, Obama is not as obtuse as JFK (who was eventually honorable, I think, but overall far too distracted by his stupid sexual escapades.) I would like to believe that he's a good guy who will at some dramatic point whip off his Bush-lite mask and show us who he really is, but I already went through that process with Kerry. No disrespect, but I personally can't imagine feeling anything good about Kerry. I deeply reluctantly voted for him ONLY as a vote against Bush -- would've voted for a wombat over Bush, and pretty much felt that was what I was doing. (Don't even know what a wombat IS -- but I'd vote for one, over Bush.) Through the whole Ohio recount process in 2004 I kept telling everybody--"You just watch, the Democrats know what they're doing. This is a trap for Bush." I was wrong. I personally was very concerned that Kerry was a sell-out. And he was. I think it would be a shame to taint Obama with Kerry's lack of character. The two men have nothing in common. From 2006 to 2008 the Dems told us "We must appease and concentrate on winning the next election." So now that it's won, we must keep on appeasing? On his third day in office Obama declared his contempt for international law, the Nuremberg Principles, the UN, and simple human decency by ordering drone missile attacks on Pakistan that killed 14 civilians. He's a war criminal. I think he's doing what I would do if I were in his awful position -- above all, unlike JFK, do NOT fire everybody and change everything right away and signal the PTB that you're NOT their boy after all. Uh -- Suicide! Stupid! Maybe it's just wishful thinking, but I can't help but feel that Barack's cellular immersion in his mom's and gran's lifelong humanitarianism and character-shaping FAR outweigh any johnny-come-lately PTB influence. Like Gen. Smedley Butler in the White House coup-plot in the 1930's -- string'em along until you can expose them -- and then defeat them. It's been done before, and a scholar like Obama may well feel it can be done again. I can only say, though, I hope that's the case. But it seems logical to me, the most likely reality to me, given his background. Connie > From: dimension04 at sbcglobal.net > To: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com > Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:11:47 -0500 > CC: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net > Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" > > > > Good and well-informed points, as always, Geri. > > Re, the "hope" thing. A LITTLE more to it than that is my surprise that > given a potential 4-8 years in office, there's so much conviction, it seems, > that in less than one year he's a Failure, or worse. Could all this be > "premature speculation"? > > I think his rise to power is founded on his natural abilities -- BUT, I > understand that like Kucinich, all the natural abilities in the world can't > "get you there" if you don't have the backing of the powers-that-be. > > I still wonder whether They are using Barack -- or given time, it will turn > out that he has used Them. That it's been his strategy all along to use > them to get to where, well actually -- to where he CAME FROM and bless the > world with it -- and that would be his mom's and grandma's life-long > grooming to truly love and help humanity. > > The ptb, or mom and gram. Hmmmmm...which will it turn out to be... > > ? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Geri Perry" > To: "Connie Smith" > Cc: "Chuck Minne" ; > Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 6:24 PM > Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" > > > > And there is yet another perspective . . . > > > > This one holds that Obama, like so many before him, is little more than a > > puppet. > > > > How else can we explain his meteoric rise from total obscurity to become- > > in one giant leap - president of the Unite States, and tainted no less by > > the same Rezco scandal that so heavily damaged the Blago image? > > > > We can guess who pulls the strings, but following the money is a good > > start. > > > > Amazingly poor timing was evident when Obama convened his war council for > > crucial talks on Afghan strategy within hours after being named Nobel > > Peace Laureate. This may be due to the fact that, as Chalmers Johnson > > posits in Sorrows of Empire, CentCom pulls the shots on foreign policy, > > not the pres. (Or maybe now its NATO?) > > > > I'm no fan of Michael Moore but there is something to be said for those > > who at least HOPE the president will do right by the people and not the > > money power. Wishful thinking in the face of current facts, but WAY better > > than actually "hoping he will fail" as Rush Limbaugh has publicly AND > > wrongly asserted. > > > > Geri P > > > > Connie Smith wrote: > >> Or...we could consider another point of view: > >> > >> *Get Off Obama's Back ...second thoughts from Michael Moore* > >> > >> Saturday, October 10th, 2009 > >> > >> Friends, > >> > >> ...I went back and re-read what I had written. And _I listened for far > >> too long yesterday to the right wing hate machine who did what they could > >> to crap all over Barack's big day. Did I -- and others on the left -- do > >> the same? _ > >> > >> We are weary, weary of war. The trillions that will have gone to these > >> two wars have helped to bankrupt us as a nation -- financially and > >> morally. To think of all the good we could have done with all that money! > >> Two months of the War in Iraq would pay for all the wells that need to be > >> dug in the Third World for drinking water! Obama is moving too slow for > >> most of us -- but he needs to know we are with him and we stand beside > >> him as he attempts to turn eight years of sheer madness around. Who could > >> do that in nine months? Superman? Thor? Mitch McConnell? > >> > >> Instead of waiting to see what the president is going to do, we all need > >> to be pro-active and push the agenda that we want to see enacted. What > >> keeps us from forming the same local groups we put together to get out > >> the vote last November? C'mon! We're the majority now -- the majority by > >> a significant margin! We call the shots -- and we need to tell this wimpy > >> Congress to get busy and do what we say -- or else. > >> > >> All I ask of those who voted for Obama is to not pile on him too quickly. > >> Yes, make your voice heard (his phone number is 202-456-1414). But don't > >> abandon the best hope we've had in our lifetime for change. And for God's > >> sake, don't head to bummerville if he says or does something we don't > >> like. Do you ever see Republicans behave that way? I mean, the Right had > >> 20 years of Republican presidents and they still couldn't get prayer in > >> the public schools, or outlaw abortion, or initiate a flat tax or put our > >> Social Security into the stock market. They did a lot of damage, no doubt > >> about that, but on the key issues that the Christian Right fought for, > >> they came up nearly empty handed. No wonder they've been driven crazy > >> lately. They'll never have it as good again as they've had it since > >> Reagan took office. > >> > >> But -- do you ever see them looking all gloomy and defeated? No! They > >> keep on fighting! Every day. Our side? At the first sign of wavering, we > >> just pack up our toys and go home. > >> > >> So, at least for this weekend, let us celebrate what people elsewhere are > >> celebrating -- that America now has a sane and smart man in the White > >> House, a man who truly wants a world at peace for his two daughters. > >> > >> Many, for the past couple days (yes, myself included), have grumbled, > >> "What has he done to earn this prize?" How 'bout this: > >> > >> The simple fact that he was elected was reason enough for him to be the > >> recipient of this year's Nobel Peace Prize. > >> > >> Because on that day the murderous actions of the Bush/Cheney years were > >> totally and thoroughly rebuked. One man -- a man who opposed the War in > >> Iraq from the beginning -- offered to end the insanity. The world has > >> stood by in utter horror for the past eight years as they watched the > >> descendants of Washington, Lincoln and Jefferson light the fuse of our > >> own self-destruction. We flipped off the nations on this planet by > >> abandoning Kyoto and then proceeded to melt eight more years worth of the > >> polar ice caps. We invaded two nations that didn't attack us, failed to > >> find the real terrorists and, in effect, ignited our own wave of terror. > >> People all over the world wondered if we had gone mad. > >> > >> And if all that wasn't enough, the outgoing Joker presided over the worst > >> global financial collapse since the Great Depression. > >> > >> So, yeah, at precisely 11:00pm ET on November 4, 2008, Barack Obama won > >> the Nobel Peace Prize. And the 66 million people who voted for him won > >> it, too. By the time he took the stage at midnight ET in the Grant Park > >> Historic Hippie Battlefield in downtown Chicago, billions of people > >> around the globe were already breathing a huge sigh of relief. It was as > >> if, in that instant, one man did bring the promise of peace to the > >> world -- and most were ready to go wherever he wanted to go to achieve > >> that end. Never before had the election of one man made every other > >> nation feel like they had won, too. When you've got billions of people > >> ready, willing and able to join a cause like this, well, a prize in Oslo > >> is the least that you deserve. > >> > >> One other thought. The Peace Prize historically has been given to those > >> who have worked to throw off the yoke of racial discrimination and > >> segregation (Martin Luther King, Jr., Desmond Tutu). I think the Nobel > >> committee, in awarding Obama the prize, was also rewarding the fact that > >> something profound had happened in a nation that was founded on racial > >> genocide, built on racist slavery, and held back for a hundred-plus years > >> by vestiges of hateful bigotry (which can still be found on display at > >> teabagger rallies and daily talk radio). The fact that this one man could > >> cause this seismic historical event to occur -- and to do so with such > >> grace and humility, never succumbing to the bait, but still not backing > >> down (yes, he asked to be sworn in as "Barack Hussein Obama"!) -- is more > >> than reason enough he should be in Oslo to meet the King on December 10. > >> Maybe he could take us along with him. 'Cause I also suspect the Nobel > >> committee was tipping its hat to all of us -- we, the American people, > >> had conquered some of our racism and did the truly unexpected. After > >> seeing searing images of our black fellow citizens left to drown in New > >> Orleans -- and poor whites seeing their own treated no better than the > >> black man they had been raised to hate -- we had all seen enough. It was > >> time for change. > >> > >> Thank you, Barack Obama, for giving us the opportunity to redeem > >> ourselves. Now for the tasks ahead. We need you to do all that you > >> promised to do. We need it. The world needs it. > >> > >> My prediction for the future? You become the first *two-time* winner of > >> the Nobel Peace Prize! Yeah! > >> > >> Fred (that's Norwegian for "Peace"), > >> Michael Moore > >> MMFlint at aol.com > >> MichaelMoore.com > >> > >> > >> Join Mike's Mailing List | Join Mike's Facebook Group | Follow Mike on > >> Twitter | Become Mike's MySpace Friend > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> *From:* Chuck Minne > >> *To:* citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net > >> > >> *Sent:* Sunday, October 11, 2009 6:47 PM > >> *Subject:* [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" > >> > >> > >> Foreign Newspapers on Obama?s Nobel Prize Victory > >> > >> October 10th, 2009 | By: Michael van der Galien > >> > >> Tags: Barack Obama , > >> News , Nobel Peace Prize > >> , PoliGazette > >> , Politics > >> > >> Leave a comment > >> > >> > >> | Trackback > >> > >> > >> > >> obama nobel peace prize > >> The left-wing NRC Handelsblad > >> > >> (Netherlands): ?What got into the committee to award this prize to > >> a man who has yet to live up to the high expectations? *Were they > >> drunk??* > >> Center-left to center Volkskrant > >> > >> (Netherlands): ?It?s clear that Obama has increasingly more > >> difficulty meeting expectations. His inspiring words about peace > >> and deproliferation have yet to be supported by any concrete > >> results. What is meant to be a reward [for great achievements], > >> could very well end up being tremendous burden for Obama.? > >> The right-of-center Telegraaf > >> > >> > >> (Netherlands): ?This isn?t the first mistake of the Committee, but > >> it is the biggest. The value of the Nobel Peace Prize has been > >> diminished.? > >> Benedict Brogan, writing for the British newspaper the Telegraph > >> > >> : > >> ?To reward him for a blank results sheet, to inflate him when he > >> has no achievements to his name, makes a mockery of what, let?s > >> face it, is an already fairly discredited process (remember > >> Rigoberta Menchu in 1992? Ha!). That?s not the point. What this > >> does is accelerate the elevation of President Obama to a comedy > >> confection, which he does not deserve, and gives his critics yet > >> another bat to whack him with. Shame on the Swedes Norwegians*. He > >> should turn it down, even if he does look great in white tie and > >> tails.? > >> The Times of London > >> > >> : > >> ?Rarely has an award had such an obvious political and partisan > >> intent. It was clearly seen by the Norwegian Nobel committee as a > >> way of expressing European gratitude for an end to the Bush > >> Administration, approval for the election of America?s first black > >> president and hope that Washington will honour its promise to > >> re-engage with the world. > >> ?Instead, the prize risks looking preposterous in its claims, > >> patronising in its intentions and demeaning in its attempt to > >> build up a man who has barely begun his period in office, let > >> alone achieved any tangible outcome for peace.? > >> Left-wing rag the Guardian > >> > >> : > >> ?Indeed, the reasoning behind the awarding of the prize to > >> previous American presidents has been easier to discern. Teddy > >> Roosevelt opened the court of arbitration in the Hague and helped > >> mediate a peace treaty between Russia and Japan; Woodrow Wilson > >> was the founder of the League of Nations. Jimmy Carter won his > >> prize for his ?untiring efforts to find peaceful solutions to > >> international conflicts?. > >> ?Which is what makes the awarding of this year?s prize to a > >> president who has been in office for a mere nine months an odd > >> departure. It is as if the prize committee had been persuaded to > >> give the award on the future delivery of promises.? > >> The Sydney Morning Herald > >> > >> : > >> ?YES, surprisingly, he could. Barack Obama, is the shock choice > >> for the Nobel Peace Prize, less than a year after his election as > >> U.S. President.? > >> Il Giornale > >> > >> > >> (Italy): ?Let me be clear: the discourse on Islam in Cairo was > >> beautiful, tall, and it opens up new horizons, but did not lead to > >> anything. And on the other matter, as pointed out repeatedly in > >> this blog, Obama has been evasive or inconclusive, starting with > >> Iran and Afghanistan. Nor can he boast the merits of rapprochement > >> with North Korea, which was brought about by Bill Clinton. He kept > >> only one real promise: the gradual withdrawal from Iraq. Enough to > >> deserve the Nobel Prize?? > >> Center-left the Spiegel > >> > >> (Germany): ?The Nobel Peace Prize has come too early for Barack > >> Obama. The US president cannot point to any real diplomatic > >> successes to date and there are few prospects of any to come.? > >> National Post > >> > >> > >> (Canada): ?Obama is being given his award for mere words ? for > >> striking fashionable poses in favour of multilateralism, for > >> making a nice speech in Cairo, for offering ?hope.? Months after > >> Americans learned to dismiss Obama?s 2008 presidential campaign > >> slogans as the meaningless bromides they were, Scandinavians are > >> still drinking his Kool-aid.? > >> > >> "*_most of those bankrupted by medical problems had health > >> insurance"_* > >> *_"Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to > >> college."_* > >> *_"Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health > >> insurance."_* > >> *Medical problems contributed to nearly two-thirds (62.1 percent) > >> of all bankruptcies in 2007*, according to a study in the August > >> issue of the American Journal of Medicine that was published today > >> online. The data were collected prior to the current economic > >> downturn and hence likely understate the current burden of > >> financial suffering. Between 2001 and 2007, the proportion of all > >> bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6 > >> percent. The authors? previous 2001 findings have been widely > >> cited by policy leaders, including President Obama. > >> *_Surprisingly, most of those bankrupted by medical problems had > >> health insurance. More than three-quarters (77.9 percent) were > >> insured at the start of the bankrupting illness,_* including 60.3 > >> percent who had private coverage. Most of the medically bankrupt > >> were solidly middle class before financial disaster hit. > >> *_Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to > >> college._* In many cases, high medical bills coincided with a loss > >> of income as illness forced breadwinners to lose time from work. > >> *_Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health > >> insurance._* > >> From: > >> > >> http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/content/more-medical-bankruptcy-have-insurance-go-bankrupt > >> > >> > >> "*_most of those bankrupted by medical problems had health > >> insurance"_* > >> *_"Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to > >> college."_* > >> *_"Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health > >> insurance."_* > >> *Medical problems contributed to nearly two-thirds (62.1 percent) > >> of all bankruptcies in 2007*, according to a study in the August > >> issue of the American Journal of Medicine that was published today > >> online. The data were collected prior to the current economic > >> downturn and hence likely understate the current burden of > >> financial suffering. Between 2001 and 2007, the proportion of all > >> bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6 > >> percent. The authors? previous 2001 findings have been widely > >> cited by policy leaders, including President Obama. > >> *_Surprisingly, most of those bankrupted by medical problems had > >> health insurance. More than three-quarters (77.9 percent) were > >> insured at the start of the bankrupting illness,_* including 60.3 > >> percent who had private coverage. Most of the medically bankrupt > >> were solidly middle class before financial disaster hit. > >> *_Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to > >> college._* In many cases, high medical bills coincided with a loss > >> of income as illness forced breadwinners to lose time from work. > >> *_Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health > >> insurance._* > >> From: > >> > >> http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/content/more-medical-bankruptcy-have-insurance-go-bankrupt > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> _______________________________________________ > >> CitizensTruth mailing list > >> CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > >> website: http://citizenstruth.info > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> CitizensTruth mailing list > >> CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > >> website: http://citizenstruth.info > >> > > _______________________________________________ > CitizensTruth mailing list > CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > website: http://citizenstruth.info ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dimension04 at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 13 02:30:54 2009 From: dimension04 at sbcglobal.net (Connie Smith) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 01:30:54 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" In-Reply-To: References: <89391.96228.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6CE1342795194CB4A74CB57C658F66F9@InspironConnie> I still think it might turn out that Obama is using them instead of the other way around -- a smarter man, all the way around. Not to mention it's still less than his first year in office! All this criticism! It's all so contrary to his lifetime personal history. Mainly for that reason, I guess I'd rather be wrong on his side rather than right on that side. Just send me some salt and pepper if I have to eat these words! ----- Original Message ----- From: andrew ritter To: snug.bug at hotmail.com ; dimension04 at sbcglobal.net ; Geri Perry Cc: truth seekers Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 12:12 AM Subject: RE: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" The "Prize" is more proof that the propaganda machine is a global operation. Put him up on a global peace pedestal and people will ignore his actions. Orwell continues to be right. War = Peace in today's society. Lets look at some of Barack's peaceful accomplishments: - Continue to wage a never-ending war for oil and land and contracts and resources in Iraq while calling it a 'withdrawal'. - Step up the troop level and killing of civilians and "terrorists" in Afghanistan while taking control of as much of the opium trade as possible - Order tons of illegal drone strikes in Pakistan - Quietly order and carry out a coup of the leadership in Honduras. Ignore that the citizens of that country are living in a nightmare scenario of martial law - Continue torturing prisoners abroad and suppress photographs that show abuse and make sure no one involved in torture in the past ever gets held accountable - Help your Big pharma buddies to make a killing off the swine flu while helping to spread the disease further through the already proven to be dangerous nasal vaccines. - Make constant threats to Iran while carrying out military drills that prepare your troops for a possible war there - Refuse to meet with the Dali Lama because you don't want to upset China - Quietly conduct military operations in Somalia - Bail out the rich cause they need it while the unemployment rate goes up and up and up I have to disagree about hope. Hope is a paralyzing and passive emotion. They want you to sit on your but and "hope" while they continue to steal and murder. My advice is to ditch all of your hope and instead do something about whatever you are "hoping" on. Because hope is completely disempowering. You are letting go of your ability to affect the world in a real and active way and putting all your "hopes" in the hands of the ruling elite who do not give 2 sticks of butter about you except to the extent that they can use and abuse you. Actions speak louder then words and peace prizes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: snug.bug at hotmail.com To: dimension04 at sbcglobal.net; geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:52:50 -0700 CC: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" Obama lost me when he voted for the telecom wiretap immunity bill after promising that he would filibuster to oppose it. He never explained why he voted for it. He was a constitutional scholar and he understood the issues, and he was a lawyer who understood that the bill would stop the 50 pending lawsuits' discovery process that would have revealed the depth and breadth of the wiretap violations. I would like to believe that he's a good guy who will at some dramatic point whip off his Bush-lite mask and show us who he really is, but I already went through that process with Kerry. Through the whole Ohio recount process in 2004 I kept telling everybody--"You just watch, the Democrats know what they're doing. This is a trap for Bush." I was wrong. From 2006 to 2008 the Dems told us "We must appease and concentrate on winning the next election." So now that it's won, we must keep on appeasing? On his third day in office Obama declared his contempt for international law, the Nuremberg Principles, the UN, and simple human decency by ordering drone missile attacks on Pakistan that killed 14 civilians. He's a war criminal. > From: dimension04 at sbcglobal.net > To: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com > Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:11:47 -0500 > CC: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net > Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" > > > > Good and well-informed points, as always, Geri. > > Re, the "hope" thing. A LITTLE more to it than that is my surprise that > given a potential 4-8 years in office, there's so much conviction, it seems, > that in less than one year he's a Failure, or worse. Could all this be > "premature speculation"? > > I think his rise to power is founded on his natural abilities -- BUT, I > understand that like Kucinich, all the natural abilities in the world can't > "get you there" if you don't have the backing of the powers-that-be. > > I still wonder whether They are using Barack -- or given time, it will turn > out that he has used Them. That it's been his strategy all along to use > them to get to where, well actually -- to where he CAME FROM and bless the > world with it -- and that would be his mom's and grandma's life-long > grooming to truly love and help humanity. > > The ptb, or mom and gram. Hmmmmm...which will it turn out to be... > > ? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Geri Perry" > To: "Connie Smith" > Cc: "Chuck Minne" ; > Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 6:24 PM > Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" > > > > And there is yet another perspective . . . > > > > This one holds that Obama, like so many before him, is little more than a > > puppet. > > > > How else can we explain his meteoric rise from total obscurity to become- > > in one giant leap - president of the Unite States, and tainted no less by > > the same Rezco scandal that so heavily damaged the Blago image? > > > > We can guess who pulls the strings, but following the money is a good > > start. > > > > Amazingly poor timing was evident when Obama convened his war council for > > crucial talks on Afghan strategy within hours after being named Nobel > > Peace Laureate. This may be due to the fact that, as Chalmers Johnson > > posits in Sorrows of Empire, CentCom pulls the shots on foreign policy, > > not the pres. (Or maybe now its NATO?) > > > > I'm no fan of Michael Moore but there is something to be said for those > > who at least HOPE the president will do right by the people and not the > > money power. Wishful thinking in the face of current facts, but WAY better > > than actually "hoping he will fail" as Rush Limbaugh has publicly AND > > wrongly asserted. > > > > Geri P > > > > Connie Smith wrote: > >> Or...we could consider another point of view: > >> > >> *Get Off Obama's Back ...second thoughts from Michael Moore* > >> > >> Saturday, October 10th, 2009 > >> > >> Friends, > >> > >> ...I went back and re-read what I had written. And _I listened for far > >> too long yesterday to the right wing hate machine who did what they could > >> to crap all over Barack's big day. Did I -- and others on the left -- do > >> the same? _ > >> > >> We are weary, weary of war. The trillions that will have gone to these > >> two wars have helped to bankrupt us as a nation -- financially and > >> morally. To think of all the good we could have done with all that money! > >> Two months of the War in Iraq would pay for all the wells that need to be > >> dug in the Third World for drinking water! Obama is moving too slow for > >> most of us -- but he needs to know we are with him and we stand beside > >> him as he attempts to turn eight years of sheer madness around. Who could > >> do that in nine months? Superman? Thor? Mitch McConnell? > >> > >> Instead of waiting to see what the president is going to do, we all need > >> to be pro-active and push the agenda that we want to see enacted. What > >> keeps us from forming the same local groups we put together to get out > >> the vote last November? C'mon! We're the majority now -- the majority by > >> a significant margin! We call the shots -- and we need to tell this wimpy > >> Congress to get busy and do what we say -- or else. > >> > >> All I ask of those who voted for Obama is to not pile on him too quickly. > >> Yes, make your voice heard (his phone number is 202-456-1414). But don't > >> abandon the best hope we've had in our lifetime for change. And for God's > >> sake, don't head to bummerville if he says or does something we don't > >> like. Do you ever see Republicans behave that way? I mean, the Right had > >> 20 years of Republican presidents and they still couldn't get prayer in > >> the public schools, or outlaw abortion, or initiate a flat tax or put our > >> Social Security into the stock market. They did a lot of damage, no doubt > >> about that, but on the key issues that the Christian Right fought for, > >> they came up nearly empty handed. No wonder they've been driven crazy > >> lately. They'll never have it as good again as they've had it since > >> Reagan took office. > >> > >> But -- do you ever see them looking all gloomy and defeated? No! They > >> keep on fighting! Every day. Our side? At the first sign of wavering, we > >> just pack up our toys and go home. > >> > >> So, at least for this weekend, let us celebrate what people elsewhere are > >> celebrating -- that America now has a sane and smart man in the White > >> House, a man who truly wants a world at peace for his two daughters. > >> > >> Many, for the past couple days (yes, myself included), have grumbled, > >> "What has he done to earn this prize?" How 'bout this: > >> > >> The simple fact that he was elected was reason enough for him to be the > >> recipient of this year's Nobel Peace Prize. > >> > >> Because on that day the murderous actions of the Bush/Cheney years were > >> totally and thoroughly rebuked. One man -- a man who opposed the War in > >> Iraq from the beginning -- offered to end the insanity. The world has > >> stood by in utter horror for the past eight years as they watched the > >> descendants of Washington, Lincoln and Jefferson light the fuse of our > >> own self-destruction. We flipped off the nations on this planet by > >> abandoning Kyoto and then proceeded to melt eight more years worth of the > >> polar ice caps. We invaded two nations that didn't attack us, failed to > >> find the real terrorists and, in effect, ignited our own wave of terror. > >> People all over the world wondered if we had gone mad. > >> > >> And if all that wasn't enough, the outgoing Joker presided over the worst > >> global financial collapse since the Great Depression. > >> > >> So, yeah, at precisely 11:00pm ET on November 4, 2008, Barack Obama won > >> the Nobel Peace Prize. And the 66 million people who voted for him won > >> it, too. By the time he took the stage at midnight ET in the Grant Park > >> Historic Hippie Battlefield in downtown Chicago, billions of people > >> around the globe were already breathing a huge sigh of relief. It was as > >> if, in that instant, one man did bring the promise of peace to the > >> world -- and most were ready to go wherever he wanted to go to achieve > >> that end. Never before had the election of one man made every other > >> nation feel like they had won, too. When you've got billions of people > >> ready, willing and able to join a cause like this, well, a prize in Oslo > >> is the least that you deserve. > >> > >> One other thought. The Peace Prize historically has been given to those > >> who have worked to throw off the yoke of racial discrimination and > >> segregation (Martin Luther King, Jr., Desmond Tutu). I think the Nobel > >> committee, in awarding Obama the prize, was also rewarding the fact that > >> something profound had happened in a nation that was founded on racial > >> genocide, built on racist slavery, and held back for a hundred-plus years > >> by vestiges of hateful bigotry (which can still be found on display at > >> teabagger rallies and daily talk radio). The fact that this one man could > >> cause this seismic historical event to occur -- and to do so with such > >> grace and humility, never succumbing to the bait, but still not backing > >> down (yes, he asked to be sworn in as "Barack Hussein Obama"!) -- is more > >> than reason enough he should be in Oslo to meet the King on December 10. > >> Maybe he could take us along with him. 'Cause I also suspect the Nobel > >> committee was tipping its hat to all of us -- we, the American people, > >> had conquered some of our racism and did the truly unexpected. After > >> seeing searing images of our black fellow citizens left to drown in New > >> Orleans -- and poor whites seeing their own treated no better than the > >> black man they had been raised to hate -- we had all seen enough. It was > >> time for change. > >> > >> Thank you, Barack Obama, for giving us the opportunity to redeem > >> ourselves. Now for the tasks ahead. We need you to do all that you > >> promised to do. We need it. The world needs it. > >> > >> My prediction for the future? You become the first *two-time* winner of > >> the Nobel Peace Prize! Yeah! > >> > >> Fred (that's Norwegian for "Peace"), > >> Michael Moore > >> MMFlint at aol.com > >> MichaelMoore.com > >> > >> > >> Join Mike's Mailing List | Join Mike's Facebook Group | Follow Mike on > >> Twitter | Become Mike's MySpace Friend > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> *From:* Chuck Minne > >> *To:* citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net > >> > >> *Sent:* Sunday, October 11, 2009 6:47 PM > >> *Subject:* [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" > >> > >> > >> Foreign Newspapers on Obama?s Nobel Prize Victory > >> > >> October 10th, 2009 | By: Michael van der Galien > >> > >> Tags: Barack Obama , > >> News , Nobel Peace Prize > >> , PoliGazette > >> , Politics > >> > >> Leave a comment > >> > >> > >> | Trackback > >> > >> > >> > >> obama nobel peace prize > >> The left-wing NRC Handelsblad > >> > >> (Netherlands): ?What got into the committee to award this prize to > >> a man who has yet to live up to the high expectations? *Were they > >> drunk??* > >> Center-left to center Volkskrant > >> > >> (Netherlands): ?It?s clear that Obama has increasingly more > >> difficulty meeting expectations. His inspiring words about peace > >> and deproliferation have yet to be supported by any concrete > >> results. What is meant to be a reward [for great achievements], > >> could very well end up being tremendous burden for Obama.? > >> The right-of-center Telegraaf > >> > >> > >> (Netherlands): ?This isn?t the first mistake of the Committee, but > >> it is the biggest. The value of the Nobel Peace Prize has been > >> diminished.? > >> Benedict Brogan, writing for the British newspaper the Telegraph > >> > >> : > >> ?To reward him for a blank results sheet, to inflate him when he > >> has no achievements to his name, makes a mockery of what, let?s > >> face it, is an already fairly discredited process (remember > >> Rigoberta Menchu in 1992? Ha!). That?s not the point. What this > >> does is accelerate the elevation of President Obama to a comedy > >> confection, which he does not deserve, and gives his critics yet > >> another bat to whack him with. Shame on the Swedes Norwegians*. He > >> should turn it down, even if he does look great in white tie and > >> tails.? > >> The Times of London > >> > >> : > >> ?Rarely has an award had such an obvious political and partisan > >> intent. It was clearly seen by the Norwegian Nobel committee as a > >> way of expressing European gratitude for an end to the Bush > >> Administration, approval for the election of America?s first black > >> president and hope that Washington will honour its promise to > >> re-engage with the world. > >> ?Instead, the prize risks looking preposterous in its claims, > >> patronising in its intentions and demeaning in its attempt to > >> build up a man who has barely begun his period in office, let > >> alone achieved any tangible outcome for peace.? > >> Left-wing rag the Guardian > >> > >> : > >> ?Indeed, the reasoning behind the awarding of the prize to > >> previous American presidents has been easier to discern. Teddy > >> Roosevelt opened the court of arbitration in the Hague and helped > >> mediate a peace treaty between Russia and Japan; Woodrow Wilson > >> was the founder of the League of Nations. Jimmy Carter won his > >> prize for his ?untiring efforts to find peaceful solutions to > >> international conflicts?. > >> ?Which is what makes the awarding of this year?s prize to a > >> president who has been in office for a mere nine months an odd > >> departure. It is as if the prize committee had been persuaded to > >> give the award on the future delivery of promises.? > >> The Sydney Morning Herald > >> > >> : > >> ?YES, surprisingly, he could. Barack Obama, is the shock choice > >> for the Nobel Peace Prize, less than a year after his election as > >> U.S. President.? > >> Il Giornale > >> > >> > >> (Italy): ?Let me be clear: the discourse on Islam in Cairo was > >> beautiful, tall, and it opens up new horizons, but did not lead to > >> anything. And on the other matter, as pointed out repeatedly in > >> this blog, Obama has been evasive or inconclusive, starting with > >> Iran and Afghanistan. Nor can he boast the merits of rapprochement > >> with North Korea, which was brought about by Bill Clinton. He kept > >> only one real promise: the gradual withdrawal from Iraq. Enough to > >> deserve the Nobel Prize?? > >> Center-left the Spiegel > >> > >> (Germany): ?The Nobel Peace Prize has come too early for Barack > >> Obama. The US president cannot point to any real diplomatic > >> successes to date and there are few prospects of any to come.? > >> National Post > >> > >> > >> (Canada): ?Obama is being given his award for mere words ? for > >> striking fashionable poses in favour of multilateralism, for > >> making a nice speech in Cairo, for offering ?hope.? Months after > >> Americans learned to dismiss Obama?s 2008 presidential campaign > >> slogans as the meaningless bromides they were, Scandinavians are > >> still drinking his Kool-aid.? > >> > >> "*_most of those bankrupted by medical problems had health > >> insurance"_* > >> *_"Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to > >> college."_* > >> *_"Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health > >> insurance."_* > >> *Medical problems contributed to nearly two-thirds (62.1 percent) > >> of all bankruptcies in 2007*, according to a study in the August > >> issue of the American Journal of Medicine that was published today > >> online. The data were collected prior to the current economic > >> downturn and hence likely understate the current burden of > >> financial suffering. Between 2001 and 2007, the proportion of all > >> bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6 > >> percent. The authors? previous 2001 findings have been widely > >> cited by policy leaders, including President Obama. > >> *_Surprisingly, most of those bankrupted by medical problems had > >> health insurance. More than three-quarters (77.9 percent) were > >> insured at the start of the bankrupting illness,_* including 60.3 > >> percent who had private coverage. Most of the medically bankrupt > >> were solidly middle class before financial disaster hit. > >> *_Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to > >> college._* In many cases, high medical bills coincided with a loss > >> of income as illness forced breadwinners to lose time from work. > >> *_Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health > >> insurance._* > >> From: > >> > >> http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/content/more-medical-bankruptcy-have-insurance-go-bankrupt > >> > >> > >> "*_most of those bankrupted by medical problems had health > >> insurance"_* > >> *_"Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to > >> college."_* > >> *_"Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health > >> insurance."_* > >> *Medical problems contributed to nearly two-thirds (62.1 percent) > >> of all bankruptcies in 2007*, according to a study in the August > >> issue of the American Journal of Medicine that was published today > >> online. The data were collected prior to the current economic > >> downturn and hence likely understate the current burden of > >> financial suffering. Between 2001 and 2007, the proportion of all > >> bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6 > >> percent. The authors? previous 2001 findings have been widely > >> cited by policy leaders, including President Obama. > >> *_Surprisingly, most of those bankrupted by medical problems had > >> health insurance. More than three-quarters (77.9 percent) were > >> insured at the start of the bankrupting illness,_* including 60.3 > >> percent who had private coverage. Most of the medically bankrupt > >> were solidly middle class before financial disaster hit. > >> *_Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to > >> college._* In many cases, high medical bills coincided with a loss > >> of income as illness forced breadwinners to lose time from work. > >> *_Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health > >> insurance._* > >> From: > >> > >> http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/content/more-medical-bankruptcy-have-insurance-go-bankrupt > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> _______________________________________________ > >> CitizensTruth mailing list > >> CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > >> website: http://citizenstruth.info > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> CitizensTruth mailing list > >> CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > >> website: http://citizenstruth.info > >> > > _______________________________________________ > CitizensTruth mailing list > CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > website: http://citizenstruth.info ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From snug.bug at hotmail.com Tue Oct 13 02:59:27 2009 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:59:27 -0700 Subject: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" In-Reply-To: <6CE1342795194CB4A74CB57C658F66F9@InspironConnie> References: <89391.96228.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Connie, you have long been a courageous advocate for truth. I admire you and I wish I could share your optimism. On his third day in office, Obama sent drones to launch missiles that killed 14 Pakistani civilians in violation of the Nuremberg Principles, the UN Charter, and thus Article 6 of the US Constitution. Maybe this was "making his bones" and maybe it was a head-fake to protect his admirable intentions. Time will tell. Joseph Cannon at Cannonfire.blogspot.com has run a series of articles suggesting that Obama has been CIA since he was ten years old. http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2009/08/names-obama-barack-obama.html I don't need any seasoning or garnishes to eat my words. I would LOVE to be shown wrong, so I could have my life back. I see Obama unwilling to yield any of the neofascistic powers put in place by the Bush regime. These powers will remain in the presidential toolbox when president Rice or president Rumsfeld or president Cheney takes power in 2012. From: dimension04 at sbcglobal.net To: aroyboy44 at hotmail.com; snug.bug at hotmail.com; geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com CC: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 01:30:54 -0500 I still think it might turn out that Obama is using them instead of the other way around -- a smarter man, all the way around. Not to mention it's still less than his first year in office! All this criticism! It's all so contrary to his lifetime personal history. Mainly for that reason, I guess I'd rather be wrong on his side rather than right on that side. Just send me some salt and pepper if I have to eat these words! ----- Original Message ----- From: andrew ritter To: snug.bug at hotmail.com ; dimension04 at sbcglobal.net ; Geri Perry Cc: truth seekers Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 12:12 AM Subject: RE: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" The "Prize" is more proof that the propaganda machine is a global operation. Put him up on a global peace pedestal and people will ignore his actions. Orwell continues to be right. War = Peace in today's society. Lets look at some of Barack's peaceful accomplishments: - Continue to wage a never-ending war for oil and land and contracts and resources in Iraq while calling it a 'withdrawal'. - Step up the troop level and killing of civilians and "terrorists" in Afghanistan while taking control of as much of the opium trade as possible - Order tons of illegal drone strikes in Pakistan - Quietly order and carry out a coup of the leadership in Honduras. Ignore that the citizens of that country are living in a nightmare scenario of martial law - Continue torturing prisoners abroad and suppress photographs that show abuse and make sure no one involved in torture in the past ever gets held accountable - Help your Big pharma buddies to make a killing off the swine flu while helping to spread the disease further through the already proven to be dangerous nasal vaccines. - Make constant threats to Iran while carrying out military drills that prepare your troops for a possible war there - Refuse to meet with the Dali Lama because you don't want to upset China - Quietly conduct military operations in Somalia - Bail out the rich cause they need it while the unemployment rate goes up and up and up I have to disagree about hope. Hope is a paralyzing and passive emotion. They want you to sit on your but and "hope" while they continue to steal and murder. My advice is to ditch all of your hope and instead do something about whatever you are "hoping" on. Because hope is completely disempowering. You are letting go of your ability to affect the world in a real and active way and putting all your "hopes" in the hands of the ruling elite who do not give 2 sticks of butter about you except to the extent that they can use and abuse you. Actions speak louder then words and peace prizes. From: snug.bug at hotmail.com To: dimension04 at sbcglobal.net; geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:52:50 -0700 CC: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" Obama lost me when he voted for the telecom wiretap immunity bill after promising that he would filibuster to oppose it. He never explained why he voted for it. He was a constitutional scholar and he understood the issues, and he was a lawyer who understood that the bill would stop the 50 pending lawsuits' discovery process that would have revealed the depth and breadth of the wiretap violations. I would like to believe that he's a good guy who will at some dramatic point whip off his Bush-lite mask and show us who he really is, but I already went through that process with Kerry. Through the whole Ohio recount process in 2004 I kept telling everybody--"You just watch, the Democrats know what they're doing. This is a trap for Bush." I was wrong. From 2006 to 2008 the Dems told us "We must appease and concentrate on winning the next election." So now that it's won, we must keep on appeasing? On his third day in office Obama declared his contempt for international law, the Nuremberg Principles, the UN, and simple human decency by ordering drone missile attacks on Pakistan that killed 14 civilians. He's a war criminal. > From: dimension04 at sbcglobal.net > To: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com > Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:11:47 -0500 > CC: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net > Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" > > > > Good and well-informed points, as always, Geri. > > Re, the "hope" thing. A LITTLE more to it than that is my surprise that > given a potential 4-8 years in office, there's so much conviction, it seems, > that in less than one year he's a Failure, or worse. Could all this be > "premature speculation"? > > I think his rise to power is founded on his natural abilities -- BUT, I > understand that like Kucinich, all the natural abilities in the world can't > "get you there" if you don't have the backing of the powers-that-be. > > I still wonder whether They are using Barack -- or given time, it will turn > out that he has used Them. That it's been his strategy all along to use > them to get to where, well actually -- to where he CAME FROM and bless the > world with it -- and that would be his mom's and grandma's life-long > grooming to truly love and help humanity. > > The ptb, or mom and gram. Hmmmmm...which will it turn out to be... > > ? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Geri Perry" > To: "Connie Smith" > Cc: "Chuck Minne" ; > Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 6:24 PM > Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" > > > > And there is yet another perspective . . . > > > > This one holds that Obama, like so many before him, is little more than a > > puppet. > > > > How else can we explain his meteoric rise from total obscurity to become- > > in one giant leap - president of the Unite States, and tainted no less by > > the same Rezco scandal that so heavily damaged the Blago image? > > > > We can guess who pulls the strings, but following the money is a good > > start. > > > > Amazingly poor timing was evident when Obama convened his war council for > > crucial talks on Afghan strategy within hours after being named Nobel > > Peace Laureate. This may be due to the fact that, as Chalmers Johnson > > posits in Sorrows of Empire, CentCom pulls the shots on foreign policy, > > not the pres. (Or maybe now its NATO?) > > > > I'm no fan of Michael Moore but there is something to be said for those > > who at least HOPE the president will do right by the people and not the > > money power. Wishful thinking in the face of current facts, but WAY better > > than actually "hoping he will fail" as Rush Limbaugh has publicly AND > > wrongly asserted. > > > > Geri P > > > > Connie Smith wrote: > >> Or...we could consider another point of view: > >> > >> *Get Off Obama's Back ...second thoughts from Michael Moore* > >> > >> Saturday, October 10th, 2009 > >> > >> Friends, > >> > >> ...I went back and re-read what I had written. And _I listened for far > >> too long yesterday to the right wing hate machine who did what they could > >> to crap all over Barack's big day. Did I -- and others on the left -- do > >> the same? _ > >> > >> We are weary, weary of war. The trillions that will have gone to these > >> two wars have helped to bankrupt us as a nation -- financially and > >> morally. To think of all the good we could have done with all that money! > >> Two months of the War in Iraq would pay for all the wells that need to be > >> dug in the Third World for drinking water! Obama is moving too slow for > >> most of us -- but he needs to know we are with him and we stand beside > >> him as he attempts to turn eight years of sheer madness around. Who could > >> do that in nine months? Superman? Thor? Mitch McConnell? > >> > >> Instead of waiting to see what the president is going to do, we all need > >> to be pro-active and push the agenda that we want to see enacted. What > >> keeps us from forming the same local groups we put together to get out > >> the vote last November? C'mon! We're the majority now -- the majority by > >> a significant margin! We call the shots -- and we need to tell this wimpy > >> Congress to get busy and do what we say -- or else. > >> > >> All I ask of those who voted for Obama is to not pile on him too quickly. > >> Yes, make your voice heard (his phone number is 202-456-1414). But don't > >> abandon the best hope we've had in our lifetime for change. And for God's > >> sake, don't head to bummerville if he says or does something we don't > >> like. Do you ever see Republicans behave that way? I mean, the Right had > >> 20 years of Republican presidents and they still couldn't get prayer in > >> the public schools, or outlaw abortion, or initiate a flat tax or put our > >> Social Security into the stock market. They did a lot of damage, no doubt > >> about that, but on the key issues that the Christian Right fought for, > >> they came up nearly empty handed. No wonder they've been driven crazy > >> lately. They'll never have it as good again as they've had it since > >> Reagan took office. > >> > >> But -- do you ever see them looking all gloomy and defeated? No! They > >> keep on fighting! Every day. Our side? At the first sign of wavering, we > >> just pack up our toys and go home. > >> > >> So, at least for this weekend, let us celebrate what people elsewhere are > >> celebrating -- that America now has a sane and smart man in the White > >> House, a man who truly wants a world at peace for his two daughters. > >> > >> Many, for the past couple days (yes, myself included), have grumbled, > >> "What has he done to earn this prize?" How 'bout this: > >> > >> The simple fact that he was elected was reason enough for him to be the > >> recipient of this year's Nobel Peace Prize. > >> > >> Because on that day the murderous actions of the Bush/Cheney years were > >> totally and thoroughly rebuked. One man -- a man who opposed the War in > >> Iraq from the beginning -- offered to end the insanity. The world has > >> stood by in utter horror for the past eight years as they watched the > >> descendants of Washington, Lincoln and Jefferson light the fuse of our > >> own self-destruction. We flipped off the nations on this planet by > >> abandoning Kyoto and then proceeded to melt eight more years worth of the > >> polar ice caps. We invaded two nations that didn't attack us, failed to > >> find the real terrorists and, in effect, ignited our own wave of terror. > >> People all over the world wondered if we had gone mad. > >> > >> And if all that wasn't enough, the outgoing Joker presided over the worst > >> global financial collapse since the Great Depression. > >> > >> So, yeah, at precisely 11:00pm ET on November 4, 2008, Barack Obama won > >> the Nobel Peace Prize. And the 66 million people who voted for him won > >> it, too. By the time he took the stage at midnight ET in the Grant Park > >> Historic Hippie Battlefield in downtown Chicago, billions of people > >> around the globe were already breathing a huge sigh of relief. It was as > >> if, in that instant, one man did bring the promise of peace to the > >> world -- and most were ready to go wherever he wanted to go to achieve > >> that end. Never before had the election of one man made every other > >> nation feel like they had won, too. When you've got billions of people > >> ready, willing and able to join a cause like this, well, a prize in Oslo > >> is the least that you deserve. > >> > >> One other thought. The Peace Prize historically has been given to those > >> who have worked to throw off the yoke of racial discrimination and > >> segregation (Martin Luther King, Jr., Desmond Tutu). I think the Nobel > >> committee, in awarding Obama the prize, was also rewarding the fact that > >> something profound had happened in a nation that was founded on racial > >> genocide, built on racist slavery, and held back for a hundred-plus years > >> by vestiges of hateful bigotry (which can still be found on display at > >> teabagger rallies and daily talk radio). The fact that this one man could > >> cause this seismic historical event to occur -- and to do so with such > >> grace and humility, never succumbing to the bait, but still not backing > >> down (yes, he asked to be sworn in as "Barack Hussein Obama"!) -- is more > >> than reason enough he should be in Oslo to meet the King on December 10. > >> Maybe he could take us along with him. 'Cause I also suspect the Nobel > >> committee was tipping its hat to all of us -- we, the American people, > >> had conquered some of our racism and did the truly unexpected. After > >> seeing searing images of our black fellow citizens left to drown in New > >> Orleans -- and poor whites seeing their own treated no better than the > >> black man they had been raised to hate -- we had all seen enough. It was > >> time for change. > >> > >> Thank you, Barack Obama, for giving us the opportunity to redeem > >> ourselves. Now for the tasks ahead. We need you to do all that you > >> promised to do. We need it. The world needs it. > >> > >> My prediction for the future? You become the first *two-time* winner of > >> the Nobel Peace Prize! Yeah! > >> > >> Fred (that's Norwegian for "Peace"), > >> Michael Moore > >> MMFlint at aol.com > >> MichaelMoore.com > >> > >> > >> Join Mike's Mailing List | Join Mike's Facebook Group | Follow Mike on > >> Twitter | Become Mike's MySpace Friend > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> *From:* Chuck Minne > >> *To:* citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net > >> > >> *Sent:* Sunday, October 11, 2009 6:47 PM > >> *Subject:* [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" > >> > >> > >> Foreign Newspapers on Obama?s Nobel Prize Victory > >> > >> October 10th, 2009 | By: Michael van der Galien > >> > >> Tags: Barack Obama , > >> News , Nobel Peace Prize > >> , PoliGazette > >> , Politics > >> > >> Leave a comment > >> > >> > >> | Trackback > >> > >> > >> > >> obama nobel peace prize > >> The left-wing NRC Handelsblad > >> > >> (Netherlands): ?What got into the committee to award this prize to > >> a man who has yet to live up to the high expectations? *Were they > >> drunk??* > >> Center-left to center Volkskrant > >> > >> (Netherlands): ?It?s clear that Obama has increasingly more > >> difficulty meeting expectations. His inspiring words about peace > >> and deproliferation have yet to be supported by any concrete > >> results. What is meant to be a reward [for great achievements], > >> could very well end up being tremendous burden for Obama.? > >> The right-of-center Telegraaf > >> > >> > >> (Netherlands): ?This isn?t the first mistake of the Committee, but > >> it is the biggest. The value of the Nobel Peace Prize has been > >> diminished.? > >> Benedict Brogan, writing for the British newspaper the Telegraph > >> > >> : > >> ?To reward him for a blank results sheet, to inflate him when he > >> has no achievements to his name, makes a mockery of what, let?s > >> face it, is an already fairly discredited process (remember > >> Rigoberta Menchu in 1992? Ha!). That?s not the point. What this > >> does is accelerate the elevation of President Obama to a comedy > >> confection, which he does not deserve, and gives his critics yet > >> another bat to whack him with. Shame on the Swedes Norwegians*. He > >> should turn it down, even if he does look great in white tie and > >> tails.? > >> The Times of London > >> > >> : > >> ?Rarely has an award had such an obvious political and partisan > >> intent. It was clearly seen by the Norwegian Nobel committee as a > >> way of expressing European gratitude for an end to the Bush > >> Administration, approval for the election of America?s first black > >> president and hope that Washington will honour its promise to > >> re-engage with the world. > >> ?Instead, the prize risks looking preposterous in its claims, > >> patronising in its intentions and demeaning in its attempt to > >> build up a man who has barely begun his period in office, let > >> alone achieved any tangible outcome for peace.? > >> Left-wing rag the Guardian > >> > >> : > >> ?Indeed, the reasoning behind the awarding of the prize to > >> previous American presidents has been easier to discern. Teddy > >> Roosevelt opened the court of arbitration in the Hague and helped > >> mediate a peace treaty between Russia and Japan; Woodrow Wilson > >> was the founder of the League of Nations. Jimmy Carter won his > >> prize for his ?untiring efforts to find peaceful solutions to > >> international conflicts?. > >> ?Which is what makes the awarding of this year?s prize to a > >> president who has been in office for a mere nine months an odd > >> departure. It is as if the prize committee had been persuaded to > >> give the award on the future delivery of promises.? > >> The Sydney Morning Herald > >> > >> : > >> ?YES, surprisingly, he could. Barack Obama, is the shock choice > >> for the Nobel Peace Prize, less than a year after his election as > >> U.S. President.? > >> Il Giornale > >> > >> > >> (Italy): ?Let me be clear: the discourse on Islam in Cairo was > >> beautiful, tall, and it opens up new horizons, but did not lead to > >> anything. And on the other matter, as pointed out repeatedly in > >> this blog, Obama has been evasive or inconclusive, starting with > >> Iran and Afghanistan. Nor can he boast the merits of rapprochement > >> with North Korea, which was brought about by Bill Clinton. He kept > >> only one real promise: the gradual withdrawal from Iraq. Enough to > >> deserve the Nobel Prize?? > >> Center-left the Spiegel > >> > >> (Germany): ?The Nobel Peace Prize has come too early for Barack > >> Obama. The US president cannot point to any real diplomatic > >> successes to date and there are few prospects of any to come.? > >> National Post > >> > >> > >> (Canada): ?Obama is being given his award for mere words ? for > >> striking fashionable poses in favour of multilateralism, for > >> making a nice speech in Cairo, for offering ?hope.? Months after > >> Americans learned to dismiss Obama?s 2008 presidential campaign > >> slogans as the meaningless bromides they were, Scandinavians are > >> still drinking his Kool-aid.? > >> > >> "*_most of those bankrupted by medical problems had health > >> insurance"_* > >> *_"Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to > >> college."_* > >> *_"Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health > >> insurance."_* > >> *Medical problems contributed to nearly two-thirds (62.1 percent) > >> of all bankruptcies in 2007*, according to a study in the August > >> issue of the American Journal of Medicine that was published today > >> online. The data were collected prior to the current economic > >> downturn and hence likely understate the current burden of > >> financial suffering. Between 2001 and 2007, the proportion of all > >> bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6 > >> percent. The authors? previous 2001 findings have been widely > >> cited by policy leaders, including President Obama. > >> *_Surprisingly, most of those bankrupted by medical problems had > >> health insurance. More than three-quarters (77.9 percent) were > >> insured at the start of the bankrupting illness,_* including 60.3 > >> percent who had private coverage. Most of the medically bankrupt > >> were solidly middle class before financial disaster hit. > >> *_Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to > >> college._* In many cases, high medical bills coincided with a loss > >> of income as illness forced breadwinners to lose time from work. > >> *_Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health > >> insurance._* > >> From: > >> > >> http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/content/more-medical-bankruptcy-have-insurance-go-bankrupt > >> > >> > >> "*_most of those bankrupted by medical problems had health > >> insurance"_* > >> *_"Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to > >> college."_* > >> *_"Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health > >> insurance."_* > >> *Medical problems contributed to nearly two-thirds (62.1 percent) > >> of all bankruptcies in 2007*, according to a study in the August > >> issue of the American Journal of Medicine that was published today > >> online. The data were collected prior to the current economic > >> downturn and hence likely understate the current burden of > >> financial suffering. Between 2001 and 2007, the proportion of all > >> bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6 > >> percent. The authors? previous 2001 findings have been widely > >> cited by policy leaders, including President Obama. > >> *_Surprisingly, most of those bankrupted by medical problems had > >> health insurance. More than three-quarters (77.9 percent) were > >> insured at the start of the bankrupting illness,_* including 60.3 > >> percent who had private coverage. Most of the medically bankrupt > >> were solidly middle class before financial disaster hit. > >> *_Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to > >> college._* In many cases, high medical bills coincided with a loss > >> of income as illness forced breadwinners to lose time from work. > >> *_Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health > >> insurance._* > >> From: > >> > >> http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/content/more-medical-bankruptcy-have-insurance-go-bankrupt > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> _______________________________________________ > >> CitizensTruth mailing list > >> CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > >> website: http://citizenstruth.info > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> CitizensTruth mailing list > >> CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > >> website: http://citizenstruth.info > >> > > _______________________________________________ > CitizensTruth mailing list > CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > website: http://citizenstruth.info Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com Tue Oct 13 14:48:31 2009 From: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com (Geri Perry) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:48:31 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" In-Reply-To: References: <89391.96228.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4AD4CB7F.3060604@thetwofacesofmoney.com> Andrew, EXCELLENT points made about hope - as usual. However, I find hope to be my saving grace - without it I personally might be tempted to either jump off a cliff , drown myself in toxic drugs and alcohol, or camp out in front of my TV till I died a more or less natural death. g andrew ritter wrote: > The "Prize" is more proof that the propaganda machine is a global > operation. Put him up on a global peace pedestal and people will > ignore his actions. Orwell continues to be right. War = Peace in > today's society. Lets look at some of Barack's peaceful accomplishments: > > - Continue to wage a never-ending war for oil and land and contracts > and resources in Iraq while calling it a 'withdrawal'. > - Step up the troop level and killing of civilians and "terrorists" in > Afghanistan while taking control of as much of the opium trade as possible > - Order tons of illegal drone strikes in Pakistan > - Quietly order and carry out a coup of the leadership in Honduras. > Ignore that the citizens of that country are living in a nightmare > scenario of martial law > - Continue torturing prisoners abroad and suppress photographs that > show abuse and make sure no one involved in torture in the past ever > gets held accountable > - Help your Big pharma buddies to make a killing off the swine flu > while helping to spread the disease further through the already proven > to be dangerous nasal vaccines. > - Make constant threats to Iran while carrying out military drills > that prepare your troops for a possible war there > - Refuse to meet with the Dali Lama because you don't want to upset China > - Quietly conduct military operations in Somalia > - Bail out the rich cause they need it while the unemployment rate > goes up and up and up > > I have to disagree about hope. Hope is a paralyzing and passive > emotion. They want you to sit on your but and "hope" while they > continue to steal and murder. My advice is to ditch all of your hope > and instead do something about whatever you are "hoping" on. Because > hope is completely disempowering. You are letting go of your ability > to affect the world in a real and active way and putting all your > "hopes" in the hands of the ruling elite who do not give 2 sticks of > butter about you except to the extent that they can use and abuse you. > > Actions speak louder then words and peace prizes. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: snug.bug at hotmail.com > To: dimension04 at sbcglobal.net; geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com > Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:52:50 -0700 > CC: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net > Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" > > > Obama lost me when he voted for the telecom wiretap immunity bill > after promising that he would filibuster to oppose it. He never > explained > why he voted for it. He was a constitutional scholar and he understood > the issues, and he was a lawyer who understood that the bill would stop > the 50 pending lawsuits' discovery process that would have revealed the > depth and breadth of the wiretap violations. > > I would like to believe that he's a good guy who will at some dramatic > point whip off his Bush-lite mask and show us who he really is, but I > already went through that process with Kerry. Through the whole > Ohio recount process in 2004 I kept telling everybody--"You just watch, > the Democrats know what they're doing. This is a trap for Bush." I was > wrong. > > From 2006 to 2008 the Dems told us "We must appease and concentrate > on winning the next election." So now that it's won, we must keep on > appeasing? On his third day in office Obama declared his contempt for > international law, the Nuremberg Principles, the UN, and simple human > decency by ordering drone missile attacks on Pakistan that killed 14 > civilians. He's a war criminal. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: dimension04 at sbcglobal.net > > To: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com > > Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:11:47 -0500 > > CC: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net > > Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" > > > > > > > > Good and well-informed points, as always, Geri. > > > > Re, the "hope" thing. A LITTLE more to it than that is my surprise that > > given a potential 4-8 years in office, there's so much conviction, > it seems, > > that in less than one year he's a Failure, or worse. Could all this be > > "premature speculation"? > > > > I think his rise to power is founded on his natural abilities -- BUT, I > > understand that like Kucinich, all the natural abilities in the > world can't > > "get you there" if you don't have the backing of the powers-that-be. > > > > I still wonder whether They are using Barack -- or given time, it > will turn > > out that he has used Them. That it's been his strategy all along to use > > them to get to where, well actually -- to where he CAME FROM and > bless the > > world with it -- and that would be his mom's and grandma's life-long > > grooming to truly love and help humanity. > > > > The ptb, or mom and gram. Hmmmmm...which will it turn out to be... > > > > ? > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Geri Perry" > > To: "Connie Smith" > > Cc: "Chuck Minne" ; > > Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 6:24 PM > > Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" > > > > > > > And there is yet another perspective . . . > > > > > > This one holds that Obama, like so many before him, is little more > than a > > > puppet. > > > > > > How else can we explain his meteoric rise from total obscurity to > become- > > > in one giant leap - president of the Unite States, and tainted no > less by > > > the same Rezco scandal that so heavily damaged the Blago image? > > > > > > We can guess who pulls the strings, but following the money is a good > > > start. > > > > > > Amazingly poor timing was evident when Obama convened his war > council for > > > crucial talks on Afghan strategy within hours after being named Nobel > > > Peace Laureate. This may be due to the fact that, as Chalmers Johnson > > > posits in Sorrows of Empire, CentCom pulls the shots on foreign > policy, > > > not the pres. (Or maybe now its NATO?) > > > > > > I'm no fan of Michael Moore but there is something to be said for > those > > > who at least HOPE the president will do right by the people and > not the > > > money power. Wishful thinking in the face of current facts, but > WAY better > > > than actually "hoping he will fail" as Rush Limbaugh has publicly AND > > > wrongly asserted. > > > > > > Geri P > > > > > > Connie Smith wrote: > > >> Or...we could consider another point of view: > > >> > > >> *Get Off Obama's Back ...second thoughts from Michael Moore* > > >> > > >> Saturday, October 10th, 2009 > > >> > > >> Friends, > > >> > > >> ...I went back and re-read what I had written. And _I listened > for far > > >> too long yesterday to the right wing hate machine who did what > they could > > >> to crap all over Barack's big day. Did I -- and others on the > left -- do > > >> the same? _ > > >> > > >> We are weary, weary of war. The trillions that will have gone to > these > > >> two wars have helped to bankrupt us as a nation -- financially and > > >> morally. To think of all the good we could have done with all > that money! > > >> Two months of the War in Iraq would pay for all the wells that > need to be > > >> dug in the Third World for drinking water! Obama is moving too > slow for > > >> most of us -- but he needs to know we are with him and we stand > beside > > >> him as he attempts to turn eight years of sheer madness around. > Who could > > >> do that in nine months? Superman? Thor? Mitch McConnell? > > >> > > >> Instead of waiting to see what the president is going to do, we > all need > > >> to be pro-active and push the agenda that we want to see enacted. > What > > >> keeps us from forming the same local groups we put together to > get out > > >> the vote last November? C'mon! We're the majority now -- the > majority by > > >> a significant margin! We call the shots -- and we need to tell > this wimpy > > >> Congress to get busy and do what we say -- or else. > > >> > > >> All I ask of those who voted for Obama is to not pile on him too > quickly. > > >> Yes, make your voice heard (his phone number is 202-456-1414). > But don't > > >> abandon the best hope we've had in our lifetime for change. And > for God's > > >> sake, don't head to bummerville if he says or does something we > don't > > >> like. Do you ever see Republicans behave that way? I mean, the > Right had > > >> 20 years of Republican presidents and they still couldn't get > prayer in > > >> the public schools, or outlaw abortion, or initiate a flat tax or > put our > > >> Social Security into the stock market. They did a lot of damage, > no doubt > > >> about that, but on the key issues that the Christian Right fought > for, > > >> they came up nearly empty handed. No wonder they've been driven > crazy > > >> lately. They'll never have it as good again as they've had it since > > >> Reagan took office. > > >> > > >> But -- do you ever see them looking all gloomy and defeated? No! > They > > >> keep on fighting! Every day. Our side? At the first sign of > wavering, we > > >> just pack up our toys and go home. > > >> > > >> So, at least for this weekend, let us celebrate what people > elsewhere are > > >> celebrating -- that America now has a sane and smart man in the > White > > >> House, a man who truly wants a world at peace for his two daughters. > > >> > > >> Many, for the past couple days (yes, myself included), have > grumbled, > > >> "What has he done to earn this prize?" How 'bout this: > > >> > > >> The simple fact that he was elected was reason enough for him to > be the > > >> recipient of this year's Nobel Peace Prize. > > >> > > >> Because on that day the murderous actions of the Bush/Cheney > years were > > >> totally and thoroughly rebuked. One man -- a man who opposed the > War in > > >> Iraq from the beginning -- offered to end the insanity. The world > has > > >> stood by in utter horror for the past eight years as they watched > the > > >> descendants of Washington, Lincoln and Jefferson light the fuse > of our > > >> own self-destruction. We flipped off the nations on this planet by > > >> abandoning Kyoto and then proceeded to melt eight more years > worth of the > > >> polar ice caps. We invaded two nations that didn't attack us, > failed to > > >> find the real terrorists and, in effect, ignited our own wave of > terror. > > >> People all over the world wondered if we had gone mad. > > >> > > >> And if all that wasn't enough, the outgoing Joker presided over > the worst > > >> global financial collapse since the Great Depression. > > >> > > >> So, yeah, at precisely 11:00pm ET on November 4, 2008, Barack > Obama won > > >> the Nobel Peace Prize. And the 66 million people who voted for > him won > > >> it, too. By the time he took the stage at midnight ET in the > Grant Park > > >> Historic Hippie Battlefield in downtown Chicago, billions of people > > >> around the globe were already breathing a huge sigh of relief. It > was as > > >> if, in that instant, one man did bring the promise of peace to the > > >> world -- and most were ready to go wherever he wanted to go to > achieve > > >> that end. Never before had the election of one man made every other > > >> nation feel like they had won, too. When you've got billions of > people > > >> ready, willing and able to join a cause like this, well, a prize > in Oslo > > >> is the least that you deserve. > > >> > > >> One other thought. The Peace Prize historically has been given to > those > > >> who have worked to throw off the yoke of racial discrimination and > > >> segregation (Martin Luther King, Jr., Desmond Tutu). I think the > Nobel > > >> committee, in awarding Obama the prize, was also rewarding the > fact that > > >> something profound had happened in a nation that was founded on > racial > > >> genocide, built on racist slavery, and held back for a > hundred-plus years > > >> by vestiges of hateful bigotry (which can still be found on > display at > > >> teabagger rallies and daily talk radio). The fact that this one > man could > > >> cause this seismic historical event to occur -- and to do so with > such > > >> grace and humility, never succumbing to the bait, but still not > backing > > >> down (yes, he asked to be sworn in as "Barack Hussein Obama"!) -- > is more > > >> than reason enough he should be in Oslo to meet the King on > December 10. > > >> Maybe he could take us along with him. 'Cause I also suspect the > Nobel > > >> committee was tipping its hat to all of us -- we, the American > people, > > >> had conquered some of our racism and did the truly unexpected. After > > >> seeing searing images of our black fellow citizens left to drown > in New > > >> Orleans -- and poor whites seeing their own treated no better > than the > > >> black man they had been raised to hate -- we had all seen enough. > It was > > >> time for change. > > >> > > >> Thank you, Barack Obama, for giving us the opportunity to redeem > > >> ourselves. Now for the tasks ahead. We need you to do all that you > > >> promised to do. We need it. The world needs it. > > >> > > >> My prediction for the future? You become the first *two-time* > winner of > > >> the Nobel Peace Prize! Yeah! > > >> > > >> Fred (that's Norwegian for "Peace"), > > >> Michael Moore > > >> MMFlint at aol.com > > >> MichaelMoore.com > > >> > > >> > > >> Join Mike's Mailing List | Join Mike's Facebook Group | Follow > Mike on > > >> Twitter | Become Mike's MySpace Friend > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> *From:* Chuck Minne > > >> *To:* citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net > > >> > > >> *Sent:* Sunday, October 11, 2009 6:47 PM > > >> *Subject:* [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" > > >> > > >> > > >> Foreign Newspapers on Obama?s Nobel Prize Victory > > >> > > >> October 10th, 2009 | By: Michael van der Galien > > >> > > >> Tags: Barack Obama , > > >> News , Nobel Peace Prize > > >> , PoliGazette > > >> , Politics > > >> > > >> Leave a comment > > >> > > >> > > > >> | Trackback > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> obama nobel peace prize > > >> The left-wing NRC Handelsblad > > >> > > >> (Netherlands): ?What got into the committee to award this prize to > > >> a man who has yet to live up to the high expectations? *Were they > > >> drunk??* > > >> Center-left to center Volkskrant > > >> > > >> (Netherlands): ?It?s clear that Obama has increasingly more > > >> difficulty meeting expectations. His inspiring words about peace > > >> and deproliferation have yet to be supported by any concrete > > >> results. What is meant to be a reward [for great achievements], > > >> could very well end up being tremendous burden for Obama.? > > >> The right-of-center Telegraaf > > >> > > >> > > > >> (Netherlands): ?This isn?t the first mistake of the Committee, but > > >> it is the biggest. The value of the Nobel Peace Prize has been > > >> diminished.? > > >> Benedict Brogan, writing for the British newspaper the Telegraph > > >> > > >> > : > > >> ?To reward him for a blank results sheet, to inflate him when he > > >> has no achievements to his name, makes a mockery of what, let?s > > >> face it, is an already fairly discredited process (remember > > >> Rigoberta Menchu in 1992? Ha!). That?s not the point. What this > > >> does is accelerate the elevation of President Obama to a comedy > > >> confection, which he does not deserve, and gives his critics yet > > >> another bat to whack him with. Shame on the Swedes Norwegians*. He > > >> should turn it down, even if he does look great in white tie and > > >> tails.? > > >> The Times of London > > >> > > >> > : > > >> ?Rarely has an award had such an obvious political and partisan > > >> intent. It was clearly seen by the Norwegian Nobel committee as a > > >> way of expressing European gratitude for an end to the Bush > > >> Administration, approval for the election of America?s first black > > >> president and hope that Washington will honour its promise to > > >> re-engage with the world. > > >> ?Instead, the prize risks looking preposterous in its claims, > > >> patronising in its intentions and demeaning in its attempt to > > >> build up a man who has barely begun his period in office, let > > >> alone achieved any tangible outcome for peace.? > > >> Left-wing rag the Guardian > > >> > > >> > : > > >> ?Indeed, the reasoning behind the awarding of the prize to > > >> previous American presidents has been easier to discern. Teddy > > >> Roosevelt opened the court of arbitration in the Hague and helped > > >> mediate a peace treaty between Russia and Japan; Woodrow Wilson > > >> was the founder of the League of Nations. Jimmy Carter won his > > >> prize for his ?untiring efforts to find peaceful solutions to > > >> international conflicts?. > > >> ?Which is what makes the awarding of this year?s prize to a > > >> president who has been in office for a mere nine months an odd > > >> departure. It is as if the prize committee had been persuaded to > > >> give the award on the future delivery of promises.? > > >> The Sydney Morning Herald > > >> > > >> > : > > >> ?YES, surprisingly, he could. Barack Obama, is the shock choice > > >> for the Nobel Peace Prize, less than a year after his election as > > >> U.S. President.? > > >> Il Giornale > > >> > > >> > > > >> (Italy): ?Let me be clear: the discourse on Islam in Cairo was > > >> beautiful, tall, and it opens up new horizons, but did not lead to > > >> anything. And on the other matter, as pointed out repeatedly in > > >> this blog, Obama has been evasive or inconclusive, starting with > > >> Iran and Afghanistan. Nor can he boast the merits of rapprochement > > >> with North Korea, which was brought about by Bill Clinton. He kept > > >> only one real promise: the gradual withdrawal from Iraq. Enough to > > >> deserve the Nobel Prize?? > > >> Center-left the Spiegel > > >> > > >> (Germany): ?The Nobel Peace Prize has come too early for Barack > > >> Obama. The US president cannot point to any real diplomatic > > >> successes to date and there are few prospects of any to come.? > > >> National Post > > >> > > >> > > > >> (Canada): ?Obama is being given his award for mere words ? for > > >> striking fashionable poses in favour of multilateralism, for > > >> making a nice speech in Cairo, for offering ?hope.? Months after > > >> Americans learned to dismiss Obama?s 2008 presidential campaign > > >> slogans as the meaningless bromides they were, Scandinavians are > > >> still drinking his Kool-aid.? > > >> > > >> "*_most of those bankrupted by medical problems had health > > >> insurance"_* > > >> *_"Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to > > >> college."_* > > >> *_"Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health > > >> insurance."_* > > >> *Medical problems contributed to nearly two-thirds (62.1 percent) > > >> of all bankruptcies in 2007*, according to a study in the August > > >> issue of the American Journal of Medicine that was published today > > >> online. The data were collected prior to the current economic > > >> downturn and hence likely understate the current burden of > > >> financial suffering. Between 2001 and 2007, the proportion of all > > >> bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6 > > >> percent. The authors? previous 2001 findings have been widely > > >> cited by policy leaders, including President Obama. > > >> *_Surprisingly, most of those bankrupted by medical problems had > > >> health insurance. More than three-quarters (77.9 percent) were > > >> insured at the start of the bankrupting illness,_* including 60.3 > > >> percent who had private coverage. Most of the medically bankrupt > > >> were solidly middle class before financial disaster hit. > > >> *_Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to > > >> college._* In many cases, high medical bills coincided with a loss > > >> of income as illness forced breadwinners to lose time from work. > > >> *_Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health > > >> insurance._* > > >> From: > > >> > > >> > http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/content/more-medical-bankruptcy-have-insurance-go-bankrupt > > >> > > >> > > >> "*_most of those bankrupted by medical problems had health > > >> insurance"_* > > >> *_"Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to > > >> college."_* > > >> *_"Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health > > >> insurance."_* > > >> *Medical problems contributed to nearly two-thirds (62.1 percent) > > >> of all bankruptcies in 2007*, according to a study in the August > > >> issue of the American Journal of Medicine that was published today > > >> online. The data were collected prior to the current economic > > >> downturn and hence likely understate the current burden of > > >> financial suffering. Between 2001 and 2007, the proportion of all > > >> bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6 > > >> percent. The authors? previous 2001 findings have been widely > > >> cited by policy leaders, including President Obama. > > >> *_Surprisingly, most of those bankrupted by medical problems had > > >> health insurance. More than three-quarters (77.9 percent) were > > >> insured at the start of the bankrupting illness,_* including 60.3 > > >> percent who had private coverage. Most of the medically bankrupt > > >> were solidly middle class before financial disaster hit. > > >> *_Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to > > >> college._* In many cases, high medical bills coincided with a loss > > >> of income as illness forced breadwinners to lose time from work. > > >> *_Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health > > >> insurance._* > > >> From: > > >> > > >> > http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/content/more-medical-bankruptcy-have-insurance-go-bankrupt > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> CitizensTruth mailing list > > >> CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > > >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > > >> website: http://citizenstruth.info > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> CitizensTruth mailing list > > >> CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > > >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > > >> website: http://citizenstruth.info > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > CitizensTruth mailing list > > CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > > website: http://citizenstruth.info > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. > From dimension04 at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 13 18:29:26 2009 From: dimension04 at sbcglobal.net (Connie Smith) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:29:26 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" In-Reply-To: References: <89391.96228.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <13B6A5F300344A5384406281A4A4D3F6@InspironConnie> Thank you for the compliments, Brian. I will look into the info you provide here. Connie ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Good To: dimension04 at sbcglobal.net ; aroyboy44 at hotmail.com ; geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com Cc: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 1:59 AM Subject: RE: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" Connie, you have long been a courageous advocate for truth. I admire you and I wish I could share your optimism. On his third day in office, Obama sent drones to launch missiles that killed 14 Pakistani civilians in violation of the Nuremberg Principles, the UN Charter, and thus Article 6 of the US Constitution. Maybe this was "making his bones" and maybe it was a head-fake to protect his admirable intentions. Time will tell. Joseph Cannon at Cannonfire.blogspot.com has run a series of articles suggesting that Obama has been CIA since he was ten years old. http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2009/08/names-obama-barack-obama.html I don't need any seasoning or garnishes to eat my words. I would LOVE to be shown wrong, so I could have my life back. I see Obama unwilling to yield any of the neofascistic powers put in place by the Bush regime. These powers will remain in the presidential toolbox when president Rice or president Rumsfeld or president Cheney takes power in 2012. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: dimension04 at sbcglobal.net To: aroyboy44 at hotmail.com; snug.bug at hotmail.com; geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com CC: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 01:30:54 -0500 I still think it might turn out that Obama is using them instead of the other way around -- a smarter man, all the way around. Not to mention it's still less than his first year in office! All this criticism! It's all so contrary to his lifetime personal history. Mainly for that reason, I guess I'd rather be wrong on his side rather than right on that side. Just send me some salt and pepper if I have to eat these words! ----- Original Message ----- From: andrew ritter To: snug.bug at hotmail.com ; dimension04 at sbcglobal.net ; Geri Perry Cc: truth seekers Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 12:12 AM Subject: RE: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" The "Prize" is more proof that the propaganda machine is a global operation. Put him up on a global peace pedestal and people will ignore his actions. Orwell continues to be right. War = Peace in today's society. Lets look at some of Barack's peaceful accomplishments: - Continue to wage a never-ending war for oil and land and contracts and resources in Iraq while calling it a 'withdrawal'. - Step up the troop level and killing of civilians and "terrorists" in Afghanistan while taking control of as much of the opium trade as possible - Order tons of illegal drone strikes in Pakistan - Quietly order and carry out a coup of the leadership in Honduras. Ignore that the citizens of that country are living in a nightmare scenario of martial law - Continue torturing prisoners abroad and suppress photographs that show abuse and make sure no one involved in torture in the past ever gets held accountable - Help your Big pharma buddies to make a killing off the swine flu while helping to spread the disease further through the already proven to be dangerous nasal vaccines. - Make constant threats to Iran while carrying out military drills that prepare your troops for a possible war there - Refuse to meet with the Dali Lama because you don't want to upset China - Quietly conduct military operations in Somalia - Bail out the rich cause they need it while the unemployment rate goes up and up and up I have to disagree about hope. Hope is a paralyzing and passive emotion. They want you to sit on your but and "hope" while they continue to steal and murder. My advice is to ditch all of your hope and instead do something about whatever you are "hoping" on. Because hope is completely disempowering. You are letting go of your ability to affect the world in a real and active way and putting all your "hopes" in the hands of the ruling elite who do not give 2 sticks of butter about you except to the extent that they can use and abuse you. Actions speak louder then words and peace prizes. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: snug.bug at hotmail.com To: dimension04 at sbcglobal.net; geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:52:50 -0700 CC: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" Obama lost me when he voted for the telecom wiretap immunity bill after promising that he would filibuster to oppose it. He never explained why he voted for it. He was a constitutional scholar and he understood the issues, and he was a lawyer who understood that the bill would stop the 50 pending lawsuits' discovery process that would have revealed the depth and breadth of the wiretap violations. I would like to believe that he's a good guy who will at some dramatic point whip off his Bush-lite mask and show us who he really is, but I already went through that process with Kerry. Through the whole Ohio recount process in 2004 I kept telling everybody--"You just watch, the Democrats know what they're doing. This is a trap for Bush." I was wrong. From 2006 to 2008 the Dems told us "We must appease and concentrate on winning the next election." So now that it's won, we must keep on appeasing? On his third day in office Obama declared his contempt for international law, the Nuremberg Principles, the UN, and simple human decency by ordering drone missile attacks on Pakistan that killed 14 civilians. He's a war criminal. > From: dimension04 at sbcglobal.net > To: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com > Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:11:47 -0500 > CC: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net > Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" > > > > Good and well-informed points, as always, Geri. > > Re, the "hope" thing. A LITTLE more to it than that is my surprise that > given a potential 4-8 years in office, there's so much conviction, it seems, > that in less than one year he's a Failure, or worse. Could all this be > "premature speculation"? > > I think his rise to power is founded on his natural abilities -- BUT, I > understand that like Kucinich, all the natural abilities in the world can't > "get you there" if you don't have the backing of the powers-that-be. > > I still wonder whether They are using Barack -- or given time, it will turn > out that he has used Them. That it's been his strategy all along to use > them to get to where, well actually -- to where he CAME FROM and bless the > world with it -- and that would be his mom's and grandma's life-long > grooming to truly love and help humanity. > > The ptb, or mom and gram. Hmmmmm...which will it turn out to be... > > ? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Geri Perry" > To: "Connie Smith" > Cc: "Chuck Minne" ; > Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 6:24 PM > Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" > > > > And there is yet another perspective . . . > > > > This one holds that Obama, like so many before him, is little more than a > > puppet. > > > > How else can we explain his meteoric rise from total obscurity to become- > > in one giant leap - president of the Unite States, and tainted no less by > > the same Rezco scandal that so heavily damaged the Blago image? > > > > We can guess who pulls the strings, but following the money is a good > > start. > > > > Amazingly poor timing was evident when Obama convened his war council for > > crucial talks on Afghan strategy within hours after being named Nobel > > Peace Laureate. This may be due to the fact that, as Chalmers Johnson > > posits in Sorrows of Empire, CentCom pulls the shots on foreign policy, > > not the pres. (Or maybe now its NATO?) > > > > I'm no fan of Michael Moore but there is something to be said for those > > who at least HOPE the president will do right by the people and not the > > money power. Wishful thinking in the face of current facts, but WAY better > > than actually "hoping he will fail" as Rush Limbaugh has publicly AND > > wrongly asserted. > > > > Geri P > > > > Connie Smith wrote: > >> Or...we could consider another point of view: > >> > >> *Get Off Obama's Back ...second thoughts from Michael Moore* > >> > >> Saturday, October 10th, 2009 > >> > >> Friends, > >> > >> ...I went back and re-read what I had written. And _I listened for far > >> too long yesterday to the right wing hate machine who did what they could > >> to crap all over Barack's big day. Did I -- and others on the left -- do > >> the same? _ > >> > >> We are weary, weary of war. The trillions that will have gone to these > >> two wars have helped to bankrupt us as a nation -- financially and > >> morally. To think of all the good we could have done with all that money! > >> Two months of the War in Iraq would pay for all the wells that need to be > >> dug in the Third World for drinking water! Obama is moving too slow for > >> most of us -- but he needs to know we are with him and we stand beside > >> him as he attempts to turn eight years of sheer madness around. Who could > >> do that in nine months? Superman? Thor? Mitch McConnell? > >> > >> Instead of waiting to see what the president is going to do, we all need > >> to be pro-active and push the agenda that we want to see enacted. What > >> keeps us from forming the same local groups we put together to get out > >> the vote last November? C'mon! We're the majority now -- the majority by > >> a significant margin! We call the shots -- and we need to tell this wimpy > >> Congress to get busy and do what we say -- or else. > >> > >> All I ask of those who voted for Obama is to not pile on him too quickly. > >> Yes, make your voice heard (his phone number is 202-456-1414). But don't > >> abandon the best hope we've had in our lifetime for change. And for God's > >> sake, don't head to bummerville if he says or does something we don't > >> like. Do you ever see Republicans behave that way? I mean, the Right had > >> 20 years of Republican presidents and they still couldn't get prayer in > >> the public schools, or outlaw abortion, or initiate a flat tax or put our > >> Social Security into the stock market. They did a lot of damage, no doubt > >> about that, but on the key issues that the Christian Right fought for, > >> they came up nearly empty handed. No wonder they've been driven crazy > >> lately. They'll never have it as good again as they've had it since > >> Reagan took office. > >> > >> But -- do you ever see them looking all gloomy and defeated? No! They > >> keep on fighting! Every day. Our side? At the first sign of wavering, we > >> just pack up our toys and go home. > >> > >> So, at least for this weekend, let us celebrate what people elsewhere are > >> celebrating -- that America now has a sane and smart man in the White > >> House, a man who truly wants a world at peace for his two daughters. > >> > >> Many, for the past couple days (yes, myself included), have grumbled, > >> "What has he done to earn this prize?" How 'bout this: > >> > >> The simple fact that he was elected was reason enough for him to be the > >> recipient of this year's Nobel Peace Prize. > >> > >> Because on that day the murderous actions of the Bush/Cheney years were > >> totally and thoroughly rebuked. One man -- a man who opposed the War in > >> Iraq from the beginning -- offered to end the insanity. The world has > >> stood by in utter horror for the past eight years as they watched the > >> descendants of Washington, Lincoln and Jefferson light the fuse of our > >> own self-destruction. We flipped off the nations on this planet by > >> abandoning Kyoto and then proceeded to melt eight more years worth of the > >> polar ice caps. We invaded two nations that didn't attack us, failed to > >> find the real terrorists and, in effect, ignited our own wave of terror. > >> People all over the world wondered if we had gone mad. > >> > >> And if all that wasn't enough, the outgoing Joker presided over the worst > >> global financial collapse since the Great Depression. > >> > >> So, yeah, at precisely 11:00pm ET on November 4, 2008, Barack Obama won > >> the Nobel Peace Prize. And the 66 million people who voted for him won > >> it, too. By the time he took the stage at midnight ET in the Grant Park > >> Historic Hippie Battlefield in downtown Chicago, billions of people > >> around the globe were already breathing a huge sigh of relief. It was as > >> if, in that instant, one man did bring the promise of peace to the > >> world -- and most were ready to go wherever he wanted to go to achieve > >> that end. Never before had the election of one man made every other > >> nation feel like they had won, too. When you've got billions of people > >> ready, willing and able to join a cause like this, well, a prize in Oslo > >> is the least that you deserve. > >> > >> One other thought. The Peace Prize historically has been given to those > >> who have worked to throw off the yoke of racial discrimination and > >> segregation (Martin Luther King, Jr., Desmond Tutu). I think the Nobel > >> committee, in awarding Obama the prize, was also rewarding the fact that > >> something profound had happened in a nation that was founded on racial > >> genocide, built on racist slavery, and held back for a hundred-plus years > >> by vestiges of hateful bigotry (which can still be found on display at > >> teabagger rallies and daily talk radio). The fact that this one man could > >> cause this seismic historical event to occur -- and to do so with such > >> grace and humility, never succumbing to the bait, but still not backing > >> down (yes, he asked to be sworn in as "Barack Hussein Obama"!) -- is more > >> than reason enough he should be in Oslo to meet the King on December 10. > >> Maybe he could take us along with him. 'Cause I also suspect the Nobel > >> committee was tipping its hat to all of us -- we, the American people, > >> had conquered some of our racism and did the truly unexpected. After > >> seeing searing images of our black fellow citizens left to drown in New > >> Orleans -- and poor whites seeing their own treated no better than the > >> black man they had been raised to hate -- we had all seen enough. It was > >> time for change. > >> > >> Thank you, Barack Obama, for giving us the opportunity to redeem > >> ourselves. Now for the tasks ahead. We need you to do all that you > >> promised to do. We need it. The world needs it. > >> > >> My prediction for the future? You become the first *two-time* winner of > >> the Nobel Peace Prize! Yeah! > >> > >> Fred (that's Norwegian for "Peace"), > >> Michael Moore > >> MMFlint at aol.com > >> MichaelMoore.com > >> > >> > >> Join Mike's Mailing List | Join Mike's Facebook Group | Follow Mike on > >> Twitter | Become Mike's MySpace Friend > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> *From:* Chuck Minne > >> *To:* citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net > >> > >> *Sent:* Sunday, October 11, 2009 6:47 PM > >> *Subject:* [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" > >> > >> > >> Foreign Newspapers on Obama?s Nobel Prize Victory > >> > >> October 10th, 2009 | By: Michael van der Galien > >> > >> Tags: Barack Obama , > >> News , Nobel Peace Prize > >> , PoliGazette > >> , Politics > >> > >> Leave a comment > >> > >> > >> | Trackback > >> > >> > >> > >> obama nobel peace prize > >> The left-wing NRC Handelsblad > >> > >> (Netherlands): ?What got into the committee to award this prize to > >> a man who has yet to live up to the high expectations? *Were they > >> drunk??* > >> Center-left to center Volkskrant > >> > >> (Netherlands): ?It?s clear that Obama has increasingly more > >> difficulty meeting expectations. His inspiring words about peace > >> and deproliferation have yet to be supported by any concrete > >> results. What is meant to be a reward [for great achievements], > >> could very well end up being tremendous burden for Obama.? > >> The right-of-center Telegraaf > >> > >> > >> (Netherlands): ?This isn?t the first mistake of the Committee, but > >> it is the biggest. The value of the Nobel Peace Prize has been > >> diminished.? > >> Benedict Brogan, writing for the British newspaper the Telegraph > >> > >> : > >> ?To reward him for a blank results sheet, to inflate him when he > >> has no achievements to his name, makes a mockery of what, let?s > >> face it, is an already fairly discredited process (remember > >> Rigoberta Menchu in 1992? Ha!). That?s not the point. What this > >> does is accelerate the elevation of President Obama to a comedy > >> confection, which he does not deserve, and gives his critics yet > >> another bat to whack him with. Shame on the Swedes Norwegians*. He > >> should turn it down, even if he does look great in white tie and > >> tails.? > >> The Times of London > >> > >> : > >> ?Rarely has an award had such an obvious political and partisan > >> intent. It was clearly seen by the Norwegian Nobel committee as a > >> way of expressing European gratitude for an end to the Bush > >> Administration, approval for the election of America?s first black > >> president and hope that Washington will honour its promise to > >> re-engage with the world. > >> ?Instead, the prize risks looking preposterous in its claims, > >> patronising in its intentions and demeaning in its attempt to > >> build up a man who has barely begun his period in office, let > >> alone achieved any tangible outcome for peace.? > >> Left-wing rag the Guardian > >> > >> : > >> ?Indeed, the reasoning behind the awarding of the prize to > >> previous American presidents has been easier to discern. Teddy > >> Roosevelt opened the court of arbitration in the Hague and helped > >> mediate a peace treaty between Russia and Japan; Woodrow Wilson > >> was the founder of the League of Nations. Jimmy Carter won his > >> prize for his ?untiring efforts to find peaceful solutions to > >> international conflicts?. > >> ?Which is what makes the awarding of this year?s prize to a > >> president who has been in office for a mere nine months an odd > >> departure. It is as if the prize committee had been persuaded to > >> give the award on the future delivery of promises.? > >> The Sydney Morning Herald > >> > >> : > >> ?YES, surprisingly, he could. Barack Obama, is the shock choice > >> for the Nobel Peace Prize, less than a year after his election as > >> U.S. President.? > >> Il Giornale > >> > >> > >> (Italy): ?Let me be clear: the discourse on Islam in Cairo was > >> beautiful, tall, and it opens up new horizons, but did not lead to > >> anything. And on the other matter, as pointed out repeatedly in > >> this blog, Obama has been evasive or inconclusive, starting with > >> Iran and Afghanistan. Nor can he boast the merits of rapprochement > >> with North Korea, which was brought about by Bill Clinton. He kept > >> only one real promise: the gradual withdrawal from Iraq. Enough to > >> deserve the Nobel Prize?? > >> Center-left the Spiegel > >> > >> (Germany): ?The Nobel Peace Prize has come too early for Barack > >> Obama. The US president cannot point to any real diplomatic > >> successes to date and there are few prospects of any to come.? > >> National Post > >> > >> > >> (Canada): ?Obama is being given his award for mere words ? for > >> striking fashionable poses in favour of multilateralism, for > >> making a nice speech in Cairo, for offering ?hope.? Months after > >> Americans learned to dismiss Obama?s 2008 presidential campaign > >> slogans as the meaningless bromides they were, Scandinavians are > >> still drinking his Kool-aid.? > >> > >> "*_most of those bankrupted by medical problems had health > >> insurance"_* > >> *_"Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to > >> college."_* > >> *_"Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health > >> insurance."_* > >> *Medical problems contributed to nearly two-thirds (62.1 percent) > >> of all bankruptcies in 2007*, according to a study in the August > >> issue of the American Journal of Medicine that was published today > >> online. The data were collected prior to the current economic > >> downturn and hence likely understate the current burden of > >> financial suffering. Between 2001 and 2007, the proportion of all > >> bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6 > >> percent. The authors? previous 2001 findings have been widely > >> cited by policy leaders, including President Obama. > >> *_Surprisingly, most of those bankrupted by medical problems had > >> health insurance. More than three-quarters (77.9 percent) were > >> insured at the start of the bankrupting illness,_* including 60.3 > >> percent who had private coverage. Most of the medically bankrupt > >> were solidly middle class before financial disaster hit. > >> *_Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to > >> college._* In many cases, high medical bills coincided with a loss > >> of income as illness forced breadwinners to lose time from work. > >> *_Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health > >> insurance._* > >> From: > >> > >> http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/content/more-medical-bankruptcy-have-insurance-go-bankrupt > >> > >> > >> "*_most of those bankrupted by medical problems had health > >> insurance"_* > >> *_"Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to > >> college."_* > >> *_"Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health > >> insurance."_* > >> *Medical problems contributed to nearly two-thirds (62.1 percent) > >> of all bankruptcies in 2007*, according to a study in the August > >> issue of the American Journal of Medicine that was published today > >> online. The data were collected prior to the current economic > >> downturn and hence likely understate the current burden of > >> financial suffering. Between 2001 and 2007, the proportion of all > >> bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6 > >> percent. The authors? previous 2001 findings have been widely > >> cited by policy leaders, including President Obama. > >> *_Surprisingly, most of those bankrupted by medical problems had > >> health insurance. More than three-quarters (77.9 percent) were > >> insured at the start of the bankrupting illness,_* including 60.3 > >> percent who had private coverage. Most of the medically bankrupt > >> were solidly middle class before financial disaster hit. > >> *_Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to > >> college._* In many cases, high medical bills coincided with a loss > >> of income as illness forced breadwinners to lose time from work. > >> *_Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health > >> insurance._* > >> From: > >> > >> http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/content/more-medical-bankruptcy-have-insurance-go-bankrupt > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> _______________________________________________ > >> CitizensTruth mailing list > >> CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > >> website: http://citizenstruth.info > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> CitizensTruth mailing list > >> CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > >> website: http://citizenstruth.info > >> > > _______________________________________________ > CitizensTruth mailing list > CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > website: http://citizenstruth.info ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aroyboy44 at hotmail.com Tue Oct 13 19:14:31 2009 From: aroyboy44 at hotmail.com (andrew ritter) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:14:31 +0000 Subject: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" In-Reply-To: <4AD4CB7F.3060604@thetwofacesofmoney.com> References: <89391.96228.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: yea I hear you Geri I'm not saying I don't have hope about anything or that it is not useful in a being optimistic kind of way, just think relying on it too much can be a bit paralyzing. AR > Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:48:31 -0500 > From: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com > To: aroyboy44 at hotmail.com > CC: snug.bug at hotmail.com; dimension04 at sbcglobal.net; citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net > Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" > > Andrew, > > EXCELLENT points made about hope - as usual. > > However, I find hope to be my saving grace - without it I personally > might be tempted to either jump off a cliff , drown myself in toxic > drugs and alcohol, or camp out in front of my TV till I died a more or > less natural death. > > g > > andrew ritter wrote: > > The "Prize" is more proof that the propaganda machine is a global > > operation. Put him up on a global peace pedestal and people will > > ignore his actions. Orwell continues to be right. War = Peace in > > today's society. Lets look at some of Barack's peaceful accomplishments: > > > > - Continue to wage a never-ending war for oil and land and contracts > > and resources in Iraq while calling it a 'withdrawal'. > > - Step up the troop level and killing of civilians and "terrorists" in > > Afghanistan while taking control of as much of the opium trade as possible > > - Order tons of illegal drone strikes in Pakistan > > - Quietly order and carry out a coup of the leadership in Honduras. > > Ignore that the citizens of that country are living in a nightmare > > scenario of martial law > > - Continue torturing prisoners abroad and suppress photographs that > > show abuse and make sure no one involved in torture in the past ever > > gets held accountable > > - Help your Big pharma buddies to make a killing off the swine flu > > while helping to spread the disease further through the already proven > > to be dangerous nasal vaccines. > > - Make constant threats to Iran while carrying out military drills > > that prepare your troops for a possible war there > > - Refuse to meet with the Dali Lama because you don't want to upset China > > - Quietly conduct military operations in Somalia > > - Bail out the rich cause they need it while the unemployment rate > > goes up and up and up > > > > I have to disagree about hope. Hope is a paralyzing and passive > > emotion. They want you to sit on your but and "hope" while they > > continue to steal and murder. My advice is to ditch all of your hope > > and instead do something about whatever you are "hoping" on. Because > > hope is completely disempowering. You are letting go of your ability > > to affect the world in a real and active way and putting all your > > "hopes" in the hands of the ruling elite who do not give 2 sticks of > > butter about you except to the extent that they can use and abuse you. > > > > Actions speak louder then words and peace prizes. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: snug.bug at hotmail.com > > To: dimension04 at sbcglobal.net; geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com > > Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:52:50 -0700 > > CC: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net > > Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" > > > > > > Obama lost me when he voted for the telecom wiretap immunity bill > > after promising that he would filibuster to oppose it. He never > > explained > > why he voted for it. He was a constitutional scholar and he understood > > the issues, and he was a lawyer who understood that the bill would stop > > the 50 pending lawsuits' discovery process that would have revealed the > > depth and breadth of the wiretap violations. > > > > I would like to believe that he's a good guy who will at some dramatic > > point whip off his Bush-lite mask and show us who he really is, but I > > already went through that process with Kerry. Through the whole > > Ohio recount process in 2004 I kept telling everybody--"You just watch, > > the Democrats know what they're doing. This is a trap for Bush." I was > > wrong. > > > > From 2006 to 2008 the Dems told us "We must appease and concentrate > > on winning the next election." So now that it's won, we must keep on > > appeasing? On his third day in office Obama declared his contempt for > > international law, the Nuremberg Principles, the UN, and simple human > > decency by ordering drone missile attacks on Pakistan that killed 14 > > civilians. He's a war criminal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: dimension04 at sbcglobal.net > > > To: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com > > > Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:11:47 -0500 > > > CC: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net > > > Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" > > > > > > > > > > > > Good and well-informed points, as always, Geri. > > > > > > Re, the "hope" thing. A LITTLE more to it than that is my surprise that > > > given a potential 4-8 years in office, there's so much conviction, > > it seems, > > > that in less than one year he's a Failure, or worse. Could all this be > > > "premature speculation"? > > > > > > I think his rise to power is founded on his natural abilities -- BUT, I > > > understand that like Kucinich, all the natural abilities in the > > world can't > > > "get you there" if you don't have the backing of the powers-that-be. > > > > > > I still wonder whether They are using Barack -- or given time, it > > will turn > > > out that he has used Them. That it's been his strategy all along to use > > > them to get to where, well actually -- to where he CAME FROM and > > bless the > > > world with it -- and that would be his mom's and grandma's life-long > > > grooming to truly love and help humanity. > > > > > > The ptb, or mom and gram. Hmmmmm...which will it turn out to be... > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Geri Perry" > > > To: "Connie Smith" > > > Cc: "Chuck Minne" ; > > > Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 6:24 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" > > > > > > > > > > And there is yet another perspective . . . > > > > > > > > This one holds that Obama, like so many before him, is little more > > than a > > > > puppet. > > > > > > > > How else can we explain his meteoric rise from total obscurity to > > become- > > > > in one giant leap - president of the Unite States, and tainted no > > less by > > > > the same Rezco scandal that so heavily damaged the Blago image? > > > > > > > > We can guess who pulls the strings, but following the money is a good > > > > start. > > > > > > > > Amazingly poor timing was evident when Obama convened his war > > council for > > > > crucial talks on Afghan strategy within hours after being named Nobel > > > > Peace Laureate. This may be due to the fact that, as Chalmers Johnson > > > > posits in Sorrows of Empire, CentCom pulls the shots on foreign > > policy, > > > > not the pres. (Or maybe now its NATO?) > > > > > > > > I'm no fan of Michael Moore but there is something to be said for > > those > > > > who at least HOPE the president will do right by the people and > > not the > > > > money power. Wishful thinking in the face of current facts, but > > WAY better > > > > than actually "hoping he will fail" as Rush Limbaugh has publicly AND > > > > wrongly asserted. > > > > > > > > Geri P > > > > > > > > Connie Smith wrote: > > > >> Or...we could consider another point of view: > > > >> > > > >> *Get Off Obama's Back ...second thoughts from Michael Moore* > > > >> > > > >> Saturday, October 10th, 2009 > > > >> > > > >> Friends, > > > >> > > > >> ...I went back and re-read what I had written. And _I listened > > for far > > > >> too long yesterday to the right wing hate machine who did what > > they could > > > >> to crap all over Barack's big day. Did I -- and others on the > > left -- do > > > >> the same? _ > > > >> > > > >> We are weary, weary of war. The trillions that will have gone to > > these > > > >> two wars have helped to bankrupt us as a nation -- financially and > > > >> morally. To think of all the good we could have done with all > > that money! > > > >> Two months of the War in Iraq would pay for all the wells that > > need to be > > > >> dug in the Third World for drinking water! Obama is moving too > > slow for > > > >> most of us -- but he needs to know we are with him and we stand > > beside > > > >> him as he attempts to turn eight years of sheer madness around. > > Who could > > > >> do that in nine months? Superman? Thor? Mitch McConnell? > > > >> > > > >> Instead of waiting to see what the president is going to do, we > > all need > > > >> to be pro-active and push the agenda that we want to see enacted. > > What > > > >> keeps us from forming the same local groups we put together to > > get out > > > >> the vote last November? C'mon! We're the majority now -- the > > majority by > > > >> a significant margin! We call the shots -- and we need to tell > > this wimpy > > > >> Congress to get busy and do what we say -- or else. > > > >> > > > >> All I ask of those who voted for Obama is to not pile on him too > > quickly. > > > >> Yes, make your voice heard (his phone number is 202-456-1414). > > But don't > > > >> abandon the best hope we've had in our lifetime for change. And > > for God's > > > >> sake, don't head to bummerville if he says or does something we > > don't > > > >> like. Do you ever see Republicans behave that way? I mean, the > > Right had > > > >> 20 years of Republican presidents and they still couldn't get > > prayer in > > > >> the public schools, or outlaw abortion, or initiate a flat tax or > > put our > > > >> Social Security into the stock market. They did a lot of damage, > > no doubt > > > >> about that, but on the key issues that the Christian Right fought > > for, > > > >> they came up nearly empty handed. No wonder they've been driven > > crazy > > > >> lately. They'll never have it as good again as they've had it since > > > >> Reagan took office. > > > >> > > > >> But -- do you ever see them looking all gloomy and defeated? No! > > They > > > >> keep on fighting! Every day. Our side? At the first sign of > > wavering, we > > > >> just pack up our toys and go home. > > > >> > > > >> So, at least for this weekend, let us celebrate what people > > elsewhere are > > > >> celebrating -- that America now has a sane and smart man in the > > White > > > >> House, a man who truly wants a world at peace for his two daughters. > > > >> > > > >> Many, for the past couple days (yes, myself included), have > > grumbled, > > > >> "What has he done to earn this prize?" How 'bout this: > > > >> > > > >> The simple fact that he was elected was reason enough for him to > > be the > > > >> recipient of this year's Nobel Peace Prize. > > > >> > > > >> Because on that day the murderous actions of the Bush/Cheney > > years were > > > >> totally and thoroughly rebuked. One man -- a man who opposed the > > War in > > > >> Iraq from the beginning -- offered to end the insanity. The world > > has > > > >> stood by in utter horror for the past eight years as they watched > > the > > > >> descendants of Washington, Lincoln and Jefferson light the fuse > > of our > > > >> own self-destruction. We flipped off the nations on this planet by > > > >> abandoning Kyoto and then proceeded to melt eight more years > > worth of the > > > >> polar ice caps. We invaded two nations that didn't attack us, > > failed to > > > >> find the real terrorists and, in effect, ignited our own wave of > > terror. > > > >> People all over the world wondered if we had gone mad. > > > >> > > > >> And if all that wasn't enough, the outgoing Joker presided over > > the worst > > > >> global financial collapse since the Great Depression. > > > >> > > > >> So, yeah, at precisely 11:00pm ET on November 4, 2008, Barack > > Obama won > > > >> the Nobel Peace Prize. And the 66 million people who voted for > > him won > > > >> it, too. By the time he took the stage at midnight ET in the > > Grant Park > > > >> Historic Hippie Battlefield in downtown Chicago, billions of people > > > >> around the globe were already breathing a huge sigh of relief. It > > was as > > > >> if, in that instant, one man did bring the promise of peace to the > > > >> world -- and most were ready to go wherever he wanted to go to > > achieve > > > >> that end. Never before had the election of one man made every other > > > >> nation feel like they had won, too. When you've got billions of > > people > > > >> ready, willing and able to join a cause like this, well, a prize > > in Oslo > > > >> is the least that you deserve. > > > >> > > > >> One other thought. The Peace Prize historically has been given to > > those > > > >> who have worked to throw off the yoke of racial discrimination and > > > >> segregation (Martin Luther King, Jr., Desmond Tutu). I think the > > Nobel > > > >> committee, in awarding Obama the prize, was also rewarding the > > fact that > > > >> something profound had happened in a nation that was founded on > > racial > > > >> genocide, built on racist slavery, and held back for a > > hundred-plus years > > > >> by vestiges of hateful bigotry (which can still be found on > > display at > > > >> teabagger rallies and daily talk radio). The fact that this one > > man could > > > >> cause this seismic historical event to occur -- and to do so with > > such > > > >> grace and humility, never succumbing to the bait, but still not > > backing > > > >> down (yes, he asked to be sworn in as "Barack Hussein Obama"!) -- > > is more > > > >> than reason enough he should be in Oslo to meet the King on > > December 10. > > > >> Maybe he could take us along with him. 'Cause I also suspect the > > Nobel > > > >> committee was tipping its hat to all of us -- we, the American > > people, > > > >> had conquered some of our racism and did the truly unexpected. After > > > >> seeing searing images of our black fellow citizens left to drown > > in New > > > >> Orleans -- and poor whites seeing their own treated no better > > than the > > > >> black man they had been raised to hate -- we had all seen enough. > > It was > > > >> time for change. > > > >> > > > >> Thank you, Barack Obama, for giving us the opportunity to redeem > > > >> ourselves. Now for the tasks ahead. We need you to do all that you > > > >> promised to do. We need it. The world needs it. > > > >> > > > >> My prediction for the future? You become the first *two-time* > > winner of > > > >> the Nobel Peace Prize! Yeah! > > > >> > > > >> Fred (that's Norwegian for "Peace"), > > > >> Michael Moore > > > >> MMFlint at aol.com > > > >> MichaelMoore.com > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Join Mike's Mailing List | Join Mike's Facebook Group | Follow > > Mike on > > > >> Twitter | Become Mike's MySpace Friend > > > >> > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> *From:* Chuck Minne > > > >> *To:* citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net > > > >> > > > >> *Sent:* Sunday, October 11, 2009 6:47 PM > > > >> *Subject:* [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?" > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Foreign Newspapers on Obama?s Nobel Prize Victory > > > >> > > > >> October 10th, 2009 | By: Michael van der Galien > > > >> > > > >> Tags: Barack Obama , > > > >> News , Nobel Peace Prize > > > >> , PoliGazette > > > >> , Politics > > > >> > > > >> Leave a comment > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> | Trackback > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> obama nobel peace prize > > > >> The left-wing NRC Handelsblad > > > >> > > > >> (Netherlands): ?What got into the committee to award this prize to > > > >> a man who has yet to live up to the high expectations? *Were they > > > >> drunk??* > > > >> Center-left to center Volkskrant > > > >> > > > >> (Netherlands): ?It?s clear that Obama has increasingly more > > > >> difficulty meeting expectations. His inspiring words about peace > > > >> and deproliferation have yet to be supported by any concrete > > > >> results. What is meant to be a reward [for great achievements], > > > >> could very well end up being tremendous burden for Obama.? > > > >> The right-of-center Telegraaf > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> (Netherlands): ?This isn?t the first mistake of the Committee, but > > > >> it is the biggest. The value of the Nobel Peace Prize has been > > > >> diminished.? > > > >> Benedict Brogan, writing for the British newspaper the Telegraph > > > >> > > > >> > > : > > > >> ?To reward him for a blank results sheet, to inflate him when he > > > >> has no achievements to his name, makes a mockery of what, let?s > > > >> face it, is an already fairly discredited process (remember > > > >> Rigoberta Menchu in 1992? Ha!). That?s not the point. What this > > > >> does is accelerate the elevation of President Obama to a comedy > > > >> confection, which he does not deserve, and gives his critics yet > > > >> another bat to whack him with. Shame on the Swedes Norwegians*. He > > > >> should turn it down, even if he does look great in white tie and > > > >> tails.? > > > >> The Times of London > > > >> > > > >> > > : > > > >> ?Rarely has an award had such an obvious political and partisan > > > >> intent. It was clearly seen by the Norwegian Nobel committee as a > > > >> way of expressing European gratitude for an end to the Bush > > > >> Administration, approval for the election of America?s first black > > > >> president and hope that Washington will honour its promise to > > > >> re-engage with the world. > > > >> ?Instead, the prize risks looking preposterous in its claims, > > > >> patronising in its intentions and demeaning in its attempt to > > > >> build up a man who has barely begun his period in office, let > > > >> alone achieved any tangible outcome for peace.? > > > >> Left-wing rag the Guardian > > > >> > > > >> > > : > > > >> ?Indeed, the reasoning behind the awarding of the prize to > > > >> previous American presidents has been easier to discern. Teddy > > > >> Roosevelt opened the court of arbitration in the Hague and helped > > > >> mediate a peace treaty between Russia and Japan; Woodrow Wilson > > > >> was the founder of the League of Nations. Jimmy Carter won his > > > >> prize for his ?untiring efforts to find peaceful solutions to > > > >> international conflicts?. > > > >> ?Which is what makes the awarding of this year?s prize to a > > > >> president who has been in office for a mere nine months an odd > > > >> departure. It is as if the prize committee had been persuaded to > > > >> give the award on the future delivery of promises.? > > > >> The Sydney Morning Herald > > > >> > > > >> > > : > > > >> ?YES, surprisingly, he could. Barack Obama, is the shock choice > > > >> for the Nobel Peace Prize, less than a year after his election as > > > >> U.S. President.? > > > >> Il Giornale > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> (Italy): ?Let me be clear: the discourse on Islam in Cairo was > > > >> beautiful, tall, and it opens up new horizons, but did not lead to > > > >> anything. And on the other matter, as pointed out repeatedly in > > > >> this blog, Obama has been evasive or inconclusive, starting with > > > >> Iran and Afghanistan. Nor can he boast the merits of rapprochement > > > >> with North Korea, which was brought about by Bill Clinton. He kept > > > >> only one real promise: the gradual withdrawal from Iraq. Enough to > > > >> deserve the Nobel Prize?? > > > >> Center-left the Spiegel > > > >> > > > >> (Germany): ?The Nobel Peace Prize has come too early for Barack > > > >> Obama. The US president cannot point to any real diplomatic > > > >> successes to date and there are few prospects of any to come.? > > > >> National Post > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> (Canada): ?Obama is being given his award for mere words ? for > > > >> striking fashionable poses in favour of multilateralism, for > > > >> making a nice speech in Cairo, for offering ?hope.? Months after > > > >> Americans learned to dismiss Obama?s 2008 presidential campaign > > > >> slogans as the meaningless bromides they were, Scandinavians are > > > >> still drinking his Kool-aid.? > > > >> > > > >> "*_most of those bankrupted by medical problems had health > > > >> insurance"_* > > > >> *_"Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to > > > >> college."_* > > > >> *_"Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health > > > >> insurance."_* > > > >> *Medical problems contributed to nearly two-thirds (62.1 percent) > > > >> of all bankruptcies in 2007*, according to a study in the August > > > >> issue of the American Journal of Medicine that was published today > > > >> online. The data were collected prior to the current economic > > > >> downturn and hence likely understate the current burden of > > > >> financial suffering. Between 2001 and 2007, the proportion of all > > > >> bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6 > > > >> percent. The authors? previous 2001 findings have been widely > > > >> cited by policy leaders, including President Obama. > > > >> *_Surprisingly, most of those bankrupted by medical problems had > > > >> health insurance. More than three-quarters (77.9 percent) were > > > >> insured at the start of the bankrupting illness,_* including 60.3 > > > >> percent who had private coverage. Most of the medically bankrupt > > > >> were solidly middle class before financial disaster hit. > > > >> *_Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to > > > >> college._* In many cases, high medical bills coincided with a loss > > > >> of income as illness forced breadwinners to lose time from work. > > > >> *_Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health > > > >> insurance._* > > > >> From: > > > >> > > > >> > > http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/content/more-medical-bankruptcy-have-insurance-go-bankrupt > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> "*_most of those bankrupted by medical problems had health > > > >> insurance"_* > > > >> *_"Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to > > > >> college."_* > > > >> *_"Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health > > > >> insurance."_* > > > >> *Medical problems contributed to nearly two-thirds (62.1 percent) > > > >> of all bankruptcies in 2007*, according to a study in the August > > > >> issue of the American Journal of Medicine that was published today > > > >> online. The data were collected prior to the current economic > > > >> downturn and hence likely understate the current burden of > > > >> financial suffering. Between 2001 and 2007, the proportion of all > > > >> bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6 > > > >> percent. The authors? previous 2001 findings have been widely > > > >> cited by policy leaders, including President Obama. > > > >> *_Surprisingly, most of those bankrupted by medical problems had > > > >> health insurance. More than three-quarters (77.9 percent) were > > > >> insured at the start of the bankrupting illness,_* including 60.3 > > > >> percent who had private coverage. Most of the medically bankrupt > > > >> were solidly middle class before financial disaster hit. > > > >> *_Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to > > > >> college._* In many cases, high medical bills coincided with a loss > > > >> of income as illness forced breadwinners to lose time from work. > > > >> *_Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health > > > >> insurance._* > > > >> From: > > > >> > > > >> > > http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/content/more-medical-bankruptcy-have-insurance-go-bankrupt > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> CitizensTruth mailing list > > > >> CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > > > >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > > > >> website: http://citizenstruth.info > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> CitizensTruth mailing list > > > >> CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > > > >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > > > >> website: http://citizenstruth.info > > > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > CitizensTruth mailing list > > > CitizensTruth at six.pairlist.net > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth > > > website: http://citizenstruth.info > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. 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Beverley Dear Chicago, Do you want a great activity to inform students, friends, relatives, and associates about - one that will not only warp your minds, but will also help a rambunctious, order-disturbing film get out to the rest of America, where it will spawn a new legion of rebels in an era that's ready for them? We've got just the thing for you: The Yes Men Fix the World ( http://www.theyesmenfixtheworld.com), which starts October 30th at the Music Box Theater (http://www.musicboxtheatre.com/). (See advance praise below.) Phone Showtimes: 773-871-6604 Office: 773-871-6607 Fax: 773-871-0602 Mail Music Box Theatre 3733 N. Southport Ave. Chicago, IL 60613 The film is a conversation-starter for any discussion on politics, journalism, media literacy, performance art, free speech, or productive goofing off. Still not sold? Well, we're so eager to have you in the room that we'll throw ourselves into the bargain. We (Andy and Mike) will do our best to do discussions after the film, either in person or by Skype. If that's impossible, someone else from the film will be there - perhaps Patrick Lichty, who did the amazing animations! Attending the screenings at the Music Box Theater will help our film considerably. If our film does well there, smaller theaters around the country will take notice, and the film will get out to people who we think should see it. We are relying on non-traditional approaches like this because we decided to turn down traditional distribution, so that we could do all kinds of devious things to make our film useful for activist groups and organizations, and not just be a money-maker. Help us help our film make a difference! Note: the Music Box does have group rates. Please contact them to inquire! http://www.musicboxtheatre.com/about/#contact_us And please let us know if you're coming, so that we can start planning which screenings to try to attend! Pedagogically yours, The Yes Men people at theyesmen.org ADVANCE PRAISE FOR THE YES MEN FIX THE WORLD www.theyesmenfixtheworld.com "It shines with raw wit and originality." - Newsweek "Comedic vigilante justice... Media-savvy pie-to-the-face." - USA Today "Hilarious, therapeutic, inspiring. The Yes Men are geniuses." - Naomi Klein, author of The Shock Doctrine and No Logo "Funnier and more useful than Sacha Baron Cohen's Bruno." - The Observer "We remain convinced that this is the year's top documentary film." - New Scientist "One of the funniest movies I've ever seen, and two of the ballsiest guys I've ever met. Thank God for the Yes Men." - Morgan Spurlock, director of Supersize Me "Pant-shittingly hilarious." - Netribution "The Yes Men Fix The World could be this season's choice." - Screen Daily "This movie is a hoot, and a pertinent one at that." - Hollywood Reporter "Capitalist-critiquing chicanery... fat-cat-fooling fun." - Variety "We think it is a serious matter when people willingly misrepresent themselves." - Exxon "It's really a sick, twisted - I don't even want to refer to it as a joke." - US Department of Housing and Urban Development Media Hit Report: The Yes Men Date: 2009/09/22 1. CNN-CABLE Television NATIONAL Run Time: 2:07 SEP 22 2009 5:30PM CT Nielsen Audience: 707,257 The Situation Room Calculated Ad Equivalency: $24,786 Calculated Publicity Value: $74,358 30-Second Ad Equivalency: $5,855 [**05:56:41 PM**] Preview Clip Now some protestors have invented something to protect them from something that comes along. Jeanne Moos explains. Reporter: they look like a bunch of beached balls. [**05:58:06 PM**] Preview Clip No wonder first one police boat showed up, then several more. They had a helicopter above us with a guy tethered outside the helicopter like this, ready to leap. The survivaball stunt brought to you by The Yes Men who are promoting their new movie featuring anticorporate stunts they have pulled, like impersonating a Dow Chemical spokesman... In honor of the UN climate summit, The Yes Men put out a fake copy of The New York Post and followed that with this, a water borne assault on the UN by survivaballs meant to help mankind survive. [**05:58:52 PM**] Preview Clip Ice age, hurricanes, droughts. It's a dated community for one. Gated community for one. Not a very comfortable one. You may have to tuck in a little bit. 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Click here to read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8299079.stm _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From futurenotwritten at yahoo.com Fri Oct 16 19:45:33 2009 From: futurenotwritten at yahoo.com (Jay Becker) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:45:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CitizensTruth] Report: Obama to surge 45, 000 troops to Afghanistan Message-ID: <219714.75093.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Report: Obama Poised to Announce 45,000 Troop Escalation in Afghanistan Stop thinking like an American, Start thinking about humanity! Read Revolution at www.revcom.us -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This organization has for some time worked to preserve and protect the Constitution of the United States and the rights it provides its citizens. As you probably are aware, we are rapidly losing these rights and may soon find ourselves living in a country we don't recognize and a government that we would like not to recognize. We the People will be holding a Second Continental Congress in November in order to develop a strategy for reversing the direction which is rapidly taking us toward socialism and a totalitarian state. If we are going to save our nation, it will not be accomplished by the politicians, but by the people. This is a grass roots movement and we can only hold this Congress if we raise the money needed. I encourage you to go to either of, or both, websites and familiarize yourself with the patriotic work that is done on behalf of the American people. If you want to become part of the movement, you will be most welcome. 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I have had the honor of being elected one of the three delegates from Illinois. I intend to do everything I can to emphasize the need to make God the most important focus on which decisions are based, just as the first Continental Congress did. If God would do for us what He did for them, we will have nothing to worry about. Please pray for all who will be participating, and also pray that we may get broad media coverage. God Bless America, Ron Teed -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com Sat Oct 17 19:35:38 2009 From: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com (Geri Perry) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:35:38 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Impossible dream? NO WAY says the AMI! Message-ID: <4ADA54CA.90809@thetwofacesofmoney.com> Biggest question before us, and all eternity: Are peace and prosperity for all really just an impossible dream? The resounding answer: NO!!! Not if you understand that the root cause of war and poverty is the money system we labor under. And this can be corrected! So dreamers, let's unite! Best proposal to date is that which has been developed by the American Monetary Institute, whose annual conference I attended a couple weeks ago.What follows is my thumbnail sketch of what may prove - with your help - to be a groundbreaking event. BIGGEST NEWS: Dennis Kucinich will introduce the "American Monetary Reform and Financial Securities Act" (based on the latest AMI proposal) in a few weeks. This is a short clip of Kucinich's message to the Conference attendees: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8OjgN-3ZDA INTERESTING, UNEXPECTED ATTENDEE: Carol Brouillet, who told me she was interested in monetary issues well before she became involved in 9-11. A FEW OF MY LONG LIST OF FAVORITE PRESENTERS: William Abram, who gave an outstanding presentation, a shortened version of which I have had linked on my website for a couple years already. In conversation with Mr. Abram, I discovered that his presentation had been filmed by SnowShoe Films at the "Vancouver conference". Turns out he was talking about the Vancouver 9-11 conference of a couple years ago, and that Snowshoe also filmed a 10 minute segment of Abram and his late wife discussing their acquaintance with chemtrails, scroll to third entry for link: http://www.snowshoefilms.com/health.html Michele St. Pierre, leader of the very successful Ron Paul movement in north Washington state, described techniques for how to use the internet, social networking sites, blogs and grassroots organizing techniques along with advertising in small venues as effective methods for building grassroots determination to help spread the word about Constitutional, debt "free" money William Black, whistle blower, economics professor and author of The Best Way to Rob a Bank Is to Own On, provided some interesting details about what happened to him (and his career) when he began to uncover some of the most egregious of practices leading to the mortgage mess. An article by Black about what led to the mortgage fraud was posted here: http://neweconomicperspectives.blogspot.com/2009/07/two-documents-everyone-should-read-to.html Black's talk got me to thinking whether another "public project" might be added to those listed in the AMI proposal that would include money to be created for fraud prosecution. Seems there is a real need, and I think We the People would approve! Bottom line: there were a variety of presentations, presenters and topics which made for an interesting, varied and thought-provoking conference which IMO should be attended by all who at least suspect that peace and prosperity for all need not be utopian dreams but achievable realities. I can't possibly describe all the presentations but you may be interested in reading through the reports from submitted by some of the attendees: http://www.monetary.org/2009conferencereport.html From Walterb306 at cs.com Mon Oct 19 11:30:17 2009 From: Walterb306 at cs.com (Walterb306 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 11:30:17 EDT Subject: [CitizensTruth] ARTICLE-Update from Thom Hartmann Message-ID: All, FYI, Beverley LTR - Your Alternative Media Resource Since 2004 http://ltradio.blogspot.com/2009/10/update-from-thom-hartmann.html Sunday, October 18, 2009 Update from Thom Hartmann Just got this in my inbox from Thom Hartmann, and I thought I'd share in its entirety (as Sundays can be a bit lazy): We haven't been issuing press releases as this stuff has happened, so if you want to be the one to break the news feel free to put this stuff into your own words... 1. In addition to our commercial Dial-Global syndication, we're now a Pacifica affiliated show, providing a 3-hour live and delayed show to Pacifica non-profit and community stations around the world *with no commercial content* through the Pacifica audioport. We're doing this by simultaneously generating two identical shows; one commercial and one non-commercial (where the commercial breaks are filled with content like Labor Radio News, Hightower comments, a Science show, etc.). As a result of this, we've picked up just in the past few months since this affiliation began several dozen new stations, including one that covers an eighth of England and one that covers about a third of Ghana. Yep - our show is the only US-based mainstream political talk show, left or right, that (so far as I know) is carried now on local independent radio stations on 3 continents. And we're on more stations, have more listeners, and have more live clearances then any other progressive show in the country. 2. We also started doing a TV show - simultaneous with our radio show. We first migrated it to our new channel on YouTube, with whom we started a commercial relationship a few months ago, at www.youtube.com/thomhartmann . The show was picked up last week by Free Speech TV (on Dish Network satellite TV) and is now carried live from 2-3 PM ET following "Democracy Now" and "GritTV." We're also producing a half-hour TV show that will begin in the next week or two on FSTV, with most of its content cut down from our 3-hour radio/TV show. We'll also be offering this half-hour show as a video podcast. 3. We've re-established our relationship with Air America in that they're carrying my show on their Washington DC radio station and on their website. We're working on ways to strengthen that relationship, and pleased to see our name again on their brand new website at www.airamerica.com and that their DC listeners can hear our show on the weekends. (So our show is now "brought to our listeners - and viewers - by Dial-Global, Air America, Pacifica, YouTube, and Free Speech TV"...) Keep up the great work with LTR, and if there's ever any way we can help, let me know! Thom at 2:25 PM Categories: Thom Hartmann 2 comments: Thom Hartmann said... At the end of the last sentence of item 1 I should have said "progressive *talk show*" instead of just "progressive show," as Democracy Now is on way more stations than us; I think Amy Goodman may even have more clearances than Limbaugh, and I don't know Laura's count for Grit but she's doing great, too... 10/18/2009 3:20 PM Brady Bonk said... Is it just me, or did somebody suddenly at long last inject the management at Air America with some smarts? I've argued for years (and often in LTR comments) that what the network missed from the beginning was a footprint in the Nation's Capital. How can you be an entire media network devoted to the discussion of public policy without a D.C. presence? Now Randi's here and there's an actual affiliate...and now the affiliate will be running the smartest guy on radio? Nice. So. How's about a D.C. news bureau? And a left-tinged Sunday morning show, complete with stuffy lefties in coats and ties? (I'm looking at you, Bill Press!) And how's about stronger affiliations with other liberal press? Say, a (more) robust partnership with The Nation? So far so good, though. And the Web site looks unbelievable. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aroyboy44 at hotmail.com Mon Oct 19 15:59:16 2009 From: aroyboy44 at hotmail.com (andrew ritter) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 19:59:16 +0000 Subject: [CitizensTruth] FW: Continental Congress 2009 Message-ID: Hey Ragen, this is interesting - what's your take on this group? they seem kinda scary to me. It looks like they take a good idea (getting citizens to take action about preserving the constitution) but confuse and mislead the citizens so that the 'revolution' is controlled and that the majority of the people of our country become even more fractured (left vs right) From: r.gillam at comcast.net To: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:13:23 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] FW: Continental Congress 2009 AOL Email This was sent by one of the delegates from Illinois: CONTINENTAL CONGRESS 2009 I would like to introduce you to the organization "We The People." This organization has for some time worked to preserve and protect the Constitution of the United States and the rights it provides its citizens. As you probably are aware, we are rapidly losing these rights and may soon find ourselves living in a country we don't recognize and a government that we would like not to recognize. We the People will be holding a Second Continental Congress in November in order to develop a strategy for reversing the direction which is rapidly taking us toward socialism and a totalitarian state. If we are going to save our nation, it will not be accomplished by the politicians, but by the people. This is a grass roots movement and we can only hold this Congress if we raise the money needed. I encourage you to go to either of, or both, websites and familiarize yourself with the patriotic work that is done on behalf of the American people. If you want to become part of the movement, you will be most welcome. If you can help with a small donation, you just may be making the most important investment you will ever make. www.wethepeople.org www.givemeliberty.org There will be 3 delegates from each state coming to the Pheasant Run Resort in November to participate in this Congress. I have had the honor of being elected one of the three delegates from Illinois. I intend to do everything I can to emphasize the need to make God the most important focus on which decisions are based, just as the first Continental Congress did. If God would do for us what He did for them, we will have nothing to worry about. Please pray for all who will be participating, and also pray that we may get broad media coverage. God Bless America, Ron Teed _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com Tue Oct 20 17:13:43 2009 From: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com (Geri Perry) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:13:43 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] Save the date - Small farm activist Vandana Shiva to appear in Joliet October 27 Message-ID: <4ADE2807.9030906@thetwofacesofmoney.com> Mark your calendar: WHAT: "Sustainability and the Global Food Crisis" WHO: Vandana Shiva WHERE:University of St. Francis, 500 Wilcox St. Joliet, IL. WHEN: October 27, 7:30pm to @ 9pm FREE Admission For questions: (815) 740-3496 or see: https://myusf.stfrancis.edu/portal/public/calendar/calendarEntryDetail.jsp?calendarEntryId=16447 Vandana Shiva will speak on "Sustainability and the Global Food Crisis" as well as discuss her newest book, Soil Not Oil. Presentation includes time for Q & A. Shiva is a small farm activist, winner of the 1993 "Alternative" Nobel Peace prize, and author. Before becoming an activist, she was one of India ?s leading physicists. She holds a master?s degree in the philosophy of science and a Ph.D. in particle physics. I have not read Shiva's new book, but I highly recommend her "Stolen Harvest: The HighJacking of the Global Food Supply". I did find a review of her new book here: http://peakoil.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=51807 PERTINENT EXCERPT from that review: The basic message in ?Soil not Oil? is that globalization and big corporations are ruining agriculture and creating poverty by imposing immense farms on the world that rely on pesticides, machines that guzzle oil and monoculture crops. Shiva argues that we should revert to small, organic farms that grow diverse crops and use human and animal power. The benefits are many: jobs, healthy and plentiful food, preserving the soil rather than depleting it and kicking our addiction to fossil fuels. Best of all, this helps the poor of the world. From r.gillam at comcast.net Wed Oct 21 13:25:02 2009 From: r.gillam at comcast.net (Ragen Gillam) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:25:02 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] FW: Chicago Event Message-ID: <20091021172504.1F1A26AB64@six.pairlist.net> I just received this, and hadn't heard of it before. Looks interesting. Hi Ragen, Have you heard of this event in Chicago starting this Sunday? http://www.showdowninchicago.org/index.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Walterb306 at cs.com Wed Oct 21 15:03:21 2009 From: Walterb306 at cs.com (Walterb306 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:03:21 EDT Subject: [CitizensTruth] 2009 Media Democracy Day - Chicago - SAVE THE DATE Message-ID: All, It's happened before and it's happening again - Media Democracy Day is being held in Chicago. Join fellow progressive media professionals and activists to discuss how we can work together to create more media democracy and media justice, important steps to building a just society. The Metro Chicago Progressive Media Network ? invites you join us for ... 2009 Media Democracy Day - Chicago Date/Time: November 7, 2009, 1-4-pm Location: Grace Place, 637 S. Dearborn Ave, Chicago, IL For information and flyer: www.chicagoprogmedia.org . PROMOTE MEDIA ACCESS TO ALL SEGMENTS OF SOCIETY! . PROMOTE MEDIA THAT INFORMS THE PUBLIC ON IMPORTANT ISSUES . NETWORK WITH OTHER PROGRESSIVE MEDIA PROFESSIONALS AND MEDIA ACTIVISTS . CREATE MEDIA INITIATIVES TO STRENGTHEN DIALOGUE AROUND THE CHALLENGES FACING OUR WORLD Initially Media Democracy Day (MD day) was organized by local Toronto and Vancouver groups of the Campaign for Press and Broadcasting Freedom. In 2002, events were held in cities around the world. A Media Democracy Day has been held in Chicago in the past. Today the tradition of MD Day is carried on by local citizens and student groups in Canada and around the world. This year a group of media activists and professionals is planning for 2009 Media Democracy Day - Chicago with the objective of including representation and participation from all around the Chicago area. The timing of the event is planned to coincide with the date of Media Democracy Day in Vancouver, Canada. Goals of 2009 Media Democracy Day - Chicago: 1) to bring together area progressive media professionals and media activists to share their perspectives on how we can promote a media system that informs the public on important issues and provides media access to all segments of society. 2) to create coherent messages and media initiatives to draw public attention and broaden and strengthen dialogue around serious issues and challenges facing the area, the nation, and the planet. Part I - Panel The event will feature concise (5-7 minutes) presentations by key area media activists, media professionals, media-related organizations and academics covering the full spectrum of the reform media map: 1) mainstream media itself, its content, structure, sources, balance, etc.. 2) alternative media of all types, including TV, radio, print, internet, performance, and graphics, 3) public awareness and education about the media, and 4) the media environment, including legislation and regulations.* The panel is also planned to include media representatives from the Latin-American community, the African-American community, women, youth, and the GLBT community. Part II - Working Groups and Skills sharing Tract 1 - Working Groups The second part of the event will consist of facilitated breakout working groups, tasked with 1) discussion and then 2) formulating actionable items. Tract 2 - Skills Sharing, such as blogging, video, and editing Part III - Report-back The last component will be a facilitated report-back session. A summary of the report-back will be made available to interested attendees. LIST OF PANELISTS Mitchell Szczepanczyk, Chicago Media Action Joel Bleifuss, Editor, In These Times Tim Wais, HumanThread Veronica Arreola; Educator, Blogger (vivalafeminista.com) Larry Duncan, Labor Beat Robert Koehler, Syndicated Columnist Mike Barr, Documentary filmmaker Karen Bond, National Black Coalition for Media Justice The Metro Chicago Kevin Gozstola, documentary filmmaker completing a Film/Video degree at Columbia College Progressive Media Network (MCPMN), which was formed in November 2007, is an area networking group of media professionals and media activists, *Source: Hackett, Robert A. and William K. Carroll, Remaking Media: The struggle to democratize public communication. 2006 See: www.chicagoprogmedia.org ______________________________________________________________________ Interested in planning or in participating in MDD-Chicago? We are looking for your ideas. Name ________________________________ Phone number _________________________ Email ________________________________ I can help: Organize _____________________________ Publicize______________________________ Offer day-of-event help __________________ Offer special skills for skills sharing segment (please describe) _______________________ _____________________________________ _____________________________________ My organization (Name of organization)_____ _____________________________________ _____________________________________ is interested in co-sponsorship of the event. Please email to: Beverley Walter at walterb306 at cs.com or call at 708 447-1547 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com Wed Oct 21 17:06:23 2009 From: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com (Geri Perry) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:06:23 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] [Fwd: Hunger Strike enters nearly two weeks, help needed] Message-ID: <4ADF77CF.2090208@thetwofacesofmoney.com> Hi all, This is a forwarded message from Monday the 19th so it is a couple of days old, but need is apparently still there. Help if you can - And even if you can't do read the story which prompted the request for help. We all should at least be aware of such things taking place under our noses. g Note that there are updated contacts in addition to what are listed in original message pasted BELOW these new contacts, as follows: When calling the AACC national headquarters at (909) 987-3013, please ask for national director Alex Santos, who is investigating the day laborers' complaint and the pastor's response. Also, I listed the Waukegan church below. The main contact is the Illinois AACC mother church, actually in Palatine: Palatine - Waukegan (mother church) Pastor: Silvino L Garcia 1914 N Rand Rd Palatine, IL 60074 (847) 293-9479 -------- Original Message -------- AS AURORA HUNGER STRIKE ENTERS NEARLY TWO WEEKS ACTIVISTS ASK HELP FOR WORKERS Press Contacts: Cristobal Cavazos (630) 260-0142; Jose Cipriano Nevarez(331) 262-3331; Fernando Molina (630) 802-4245 As a hunger strike in Aurora enters its 11th day community activists will are asking for funds for striking day-laborers Jose Cipriano Nevarez and Manuel Sanchez Vega who are homeless and without a way to return to Mexico. Funds to help the workers can be sent to Jose Cipriano Nevarez and Manuel Sanchez c/o Immigrant Solidarity Dupage, 328 E. Liberty Drive #3, Wheaton IL 60187. Mexican workers Jose Cipriano Nevarez and Manuel Sanchez Vega worked for over 3 months in late 2008 (Aug. 25- Nov. 4) having been contracted to dismantle an industrial air conditional system at the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus Church complex and flea market in Aurora. Performing the work without proper safety equipment, they would later find out that the HVAC system in the aged structure was ridden with asbestos and other contaminants. The pair would go on to paint murals of religious imagery and other artwork around the complex in addition to maintenance and creation of signage around the complex at the request of the property management. Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus Church property owner and minister Rev. Rodolfo Hernandez refused to pay Cipriano Nevarez and Sanchez Vega when the job was complete alleging the two did the work ?of their own volition.? The workers, owed tens of thousand of dollars, have gone on to battle poor health, joblessness and homlessness since they finished work on the property on November 4, 2008. Hernandez, spokesman Humberto Valdez and other church/property officials have refused to negotiate. On Friday morning at October 9 at 9 a.m. the workers set up outside the front of the Aurora complex at 175 N. State Street with tent and signs and commenced a hunger strike. At around 7:30pm Thursday, October 15, Aurora police, supposedly on orders from police chief Gary S. Thomas, ordered the small canopy outside the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus Church-flea market complex (175 N. State Street, Aurora IL) where hunger striking day laborers Jose Cipriano Nevarez and Manuel Sanchez Vega had been for 7 days dismantled, citing code violations. The hunger strike has continued on with the workers and their allies outside of the church-flea market complex in the day while spending the night with community allies. The workers are demanding their pay and denouncing the routine labor injustices suffered by immigrant workers across Chicago From Walterb306 at cs.com Sun Oct 25 12:14:23 2009 From: Walterb306 at cs.com (Walterb306 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:14:23 EDT Subject: [CitizensTruth] ARTICLE-Panetta questioned on drone use Message-ID: All, FYI. Beverley Leon Panetta Questioned on Drone Use, Calls Secret Service on Questioner http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/47290 Submitted by davidswanson on Sat, 2009-10-24 10:36. By David Swanson Here are excerpts of a report from Susan Harman late Friday night: Leon Panetta spoke today at the Commonwealth Club, San Francisco, in the very fancy Mark Hopkins Hotel, on the top of Nob Hill. La di da. John got us 2nd row seats. John wore a pink shirt and I wore my CodePink t-shirt and nobody stopped us or commented. Panetta described his work as director of central intelligence: He said trust was essential: between the people and the government, between the branches of goverment, and between the parties. His swipe at accountability was a quote from Churchill: "If we open a quarrel between the past and the present, we will lose the future." He said "We conduct covert actions at the direction of the President." What about Congress? ... He explained away going into Iraq as a failure to prioritize the quality of intelligence, and took great pride in his 3-level system. i.e., Bush should have been told the the WMD info was "low reliability." In Iraq, we are planning our "postwar footprint"?"as the military draws down, there will be no intelligence drawdown." That is, the CIA wil remain in Iraq forever. ... We are concerned about attacks on our power grid, transportation system, or finance system. He joked that the audience had better be careful what we say in our emails and phone calls. Ha ha. Then came the questioning: John and I had handed in about a dozen question cards, fully convinced that they'd pick none of them. The first few questions were tame and boring: how much time do you spend with the President, do you have money problems, to which he said, "To be frank, the intelligence budget has done pretty well since 9/ll. We have more than adequate resources." But he added that the country as a whole can't continue to run a $2 trillion deficit. I was sitting right behind the timekeeper, and I saw her flip her chart that said 4 minutes left. I whispered to John that we had very litte time to do something, since there'd be applause, and they'd asked that we stay seated, so they could whisk him out. I was afraid we'd come for nothing. But then the nice lady, who'd been sorting the cards throughout the talk, outplayed Leon at his candor game. To our surprise, she read this question from John: "'Wired' magazine reported that the CIA not-for-profit branch, In-Q-Tel, invested in the internet data-mining software company, Visible Technologies; will the CIA use data-mining domestically?" Panetta rambled on about technology and said something about being "chartered" for international surveillance. He never denied the facts in the question. Then, to our astonishment (I think we both gasped), she said "One last question. There are many cards about drones," and she read several of ours! "Since proliferation of drone technology is a low-cost alternative to missile delivery ? are DC insiders prepared to hear drones overhead?" "You've flown a drone a week to Pakistan since taking office. You've killed 538 Pakistani civilians. Are we at war with Pakistan?" "In 2001 George Tenet said it would be a 'terrible mistake' to use drones as weapons. Why are you?" "Six of the 41 CIA drone strikes in Pakistan were on AlQuaeda. Who were the rest on?" "In May 09 you said "Predators are the only game in town. Are we really just playing a video game there?" He began answering by saying that of course he couldn't talk about Pakistan. So I started asking questions out loud. He kept claiming that "we didn?t kill that many civilians ? there are others who use drones." And that it's not just drones that have killed people. He said he knew where I got the number, 500 murdered civilians (I turned slightly and told the audience, "Jane Mayer, current New Yorker"), and that it wasn't accurate. "Right, we have to trust you," I said. Quibbling over how many we've murdered is an admission that we've murdered some, although the entire CIA drone program in Pak is supposed to be secret. By now the 4 Secret Servce personnel had warned me to be quiet, and now they said I'd be arrested if I didn't leave, so I left, escorted by all of them and a couple of cops. I reminded the audience that we've killed 500 innocent Pakistanis so far. John stayed. The Secret Service woman came over to him, stuck her face in his, and said "If you say anything, the same thing will happen to you." He asked her to go sit down, since she was disrupting the remainder of the talk. Thankfully she didn?t take it as an invitation! All 6 SS formed a spaced line between the exiting Panetta and the audience. Meanwhile, the director of security for the Hopkins, a small, beetley man, told me I could leave and never darken their door again, or be arrested. I agreed to leave. How tragic that I can never go to the Mark Hopkins again! As usual, the San Francisco cops were calm, polite, and not at all rough; I thanked them. On the other hand, I had to tell the SS woman not to touch me several times. John's summary: Such fear, protected cover, evasion & denial of visible fact ? America is hated ? America is running scared! But at least he admitted we can?t afford to continue for much longer. Susan's question: Was it worth it? Does it change anything?in the audience or in him? Who knows... Our actions are based more on the faith that war criminals should not be allowed to act like normal?and even respected? citizens. Is that enough? ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hal at drxyzzy.org Tue Oct 27 10:50:12 2009 From: hal at drxyzzy.org (Hal Snyder) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:50:12 -0500 Subject: [CitizensTruth] revamping civilization Message-ID: <968D8300-88A7-4E63-A07C-B69DD5B3DDDA@drxyzzy.org> Here are two videos that push the envelope. 1. The Internet as a model for decentralized interaction. Can we do better than the top-down power structures of the past few centuries? Jonathan Zittrain: The Web as random acts of kindness http://www.ted.com/talks/jonathan_zittrain_the_web_is_a_random_act_of_kindness.html 2. George Soros rolls out a institute of economics, looking for answers. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/668e074a-bf24-11de-a696-00144feab49a.html I think market-based politics and economics are hopelessly detached from reality and have moved into the realm of theology. Maybe it's time to move beyond ideology. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Walterb306 at cs.com Wed Oct 28 10:58:44 2009 From: Walterb306 at cs.com (Walterb306 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:58:44 EDT Subject: [CitizensTruth] ARTICLE-Brother of Afghan Leader is Said to be ... Message-ID: All, FYI. Articlele: Brother of Afghan Leader is Said to be on CIA Payroll Anybody surprised? Beverley Brother of Afghan Leader is said to be on CIA Payroll http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/28/world/asia/28intel.html?_r=1&hp By DEXTER FILKINS, MARK MAZZETTI and JAMES RISEN Published: October 27, 2009 KABUL, Afghanistan - Ahmed Wali Karzai, the brother of the Afghan president and a suspected player in the country's booming illegal opium trade, gets regular payments from the Central Intelligence Agency, and has for much of the past eight years, according to current and former American officials. Banaras Khan/Agence France-Presse - Getty Images Ahmed Wali Karzai, right, the brother of President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan, at a campaign event in Kandahar in August. Related U.S. to Protect Populous Afghan Areas, Officials Say (October 28, 2009) Times Topics: Hamid Karzai | Ahmed Wali Karzai | Afghanistan The agency pays Mr. Karzai for a variety of services, including helping to recruit an Afghan paramilitary force that operates at the C.I.A.'s direction in and around the southern city of Kandahar, Mr. Karzai's home. The financial ties and close working relationship between the intelligence agency and Mr. Karzai raise significant questions about America's war strategy, which is currently under review at the White House. The ties to Mr. Karzai have created deep divisions within the Obama administration. The critics say the ties complicate America's increasingly tense relationship with President Hamid Karzai, who has struggled to build sustained popularity among Afghans and has long been portrayed by the Taliban as an American puppet. The C.I.A.'s practices also suggest that the United States is not doing everything in its power to stamp out the lucrative Afghan drug trade, a major source of revenue for the Taliban. More broadly, some American officials argue that the reliance on Ahmed Wali Karzai, the most powerful figure in a large area of southern Afghanistan where the Taliban insurgency is strongest, undermines the American push to develop an effective central government that can maintain law and order and eventually allow the United States to withdraw. "If we are going to conduct a population-centric strategy in Afghanistan, and we are perceived as backing thugs, then we are just undermining ourselves," said Maj. Gen. Michael T. Flynn, the senior American military intelligence official in Afghanistan. Ahmed Wali Karzai said in an interview that he cooperated with American civilian and military officials, but did not engage in the drug trade and did not receive payments from the C.I.A. The relationship between Mr. Karzai and the C.I.A. is wide ranging, several American officials said. He helps the C.I.A. operate a paramilitary group, the Kandahar Strike Force, that is used for raids against suspected insurgents and terrorists. On at least one occasion, the strike force has been accused of mounting an unauthorized operation against an official of the Afghan government, the officials said. Mr. Karzai is also paid for allowing the C.I.A. and American Special Operations troops to rent a large compound outside the city - the former home of Mullah Mohammed Omar , the Taliban's founder. The same compound is also the base of the Kandahar Strike Force. "He's our landlord," a senior American official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity. Mr. Karzai also helps the C.I.A. communicate with and sometimes meet with Afghans loyal to the Taliban. Mr. Karzai's role as a go-between between the Americans and the Taliban is now regarded as valuable by those who support working with Mr. Karzai, as the Obama administration is placing a greater focus on encouraging Taliban leaders to change sides. A C.I.A. spokesman declined to comment for this article. "No intelligence organization worth the name would ever entertain these kind of allegations," said Paul Gimigliano, the spokesman. Some American officials said that the allegations of Mr. Karzai's role in the drug trade were not conclusive. "There's no proof of Ahmed Wali Karzai's involvement in drug trafficking , certainly nothing that would stand up in court," said one American official familiar with the intelligence. "And you can't ignore what the Afghan government has done for American counterterrorism efforts." At the start of the Afghan war, just after the 9/11 terrorist attacks in the United States, American officials paid warlords with questionable backgrounds to help topple the Taliban and maintain order with relatively few American troops committed to fight in the country. But as the Taliban has become resurgent and the war has intensified, Americans have increasingly viewed a strong and credible central government as crucial to turning back the Taliban's advances. Now, with more American lives on the line, the relationship with Mr. Karzai is setting off anger and frustration among American military officers and other officials in the Obama administration. They say that Mr. Karzai's suspected role in the drug trade, as well as what they describe as the mafialike way that he lords over southern Afghanistan, makes him a malevolent force. These military and political officials say the evidence, though largely circumstantial, suggests strongly that Mr. Karzai has enriched himself by helping the illegal trade in poppy and opium to flourish. The assessment of these military and senior officials in the Obama administration dovetails with that of senior officials in the Bush administration. "Hundreds of millions of dollars in drug money are flowing through the southern region, and nothing happens in southern Afghanistan without the regional leadership knowing about it," a senior American military officer in Kabul said. Like most of the officials in this article, he spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the secrecy of the information. Dexter Filkins reported from Kabul, and Mark Mazzetti and James Risen from Washington. Helene Cooper contributed reporting from Washington -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Walterb306 at cs.com Thu Oct 29 17:27:42 2009 From: Walterb306 at cs.com (Walterb306 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:27:42 EDT Subject: [CitizensTruth] 2009 Media Democracy Day - Chicago Nov 7 1-4 pm Message-ID: All, Save the date! Beverley It's happened before and it's happening again - Media Democracy Day is being held in Chicago. Don't miss this opportunity to collaborate with fellow progressive media professionals and activists to discuss how we can work together to create more media democracy and media justice, important steps to building a just society. Please share widely. We are the media. The Metro Chicago Progressive Media Network invites you join us for? 2009 Media Democracy Day - Chicago Date/Time: November 7, 2009, 1-4-pm Location: Grace Place, 637 S. Dearborn Ave, Chicago, IL www.chicagoprogmedia.org . PROMOTE MEDIA ACCESS TO ALL SEGMENTS OF SOCIETY! . PROMOTE MEDIA THAT INFORMS THE PUBLIC ON IMPORTANT ISSUES . NETWORK WITH OTHER PROGRESSIVE MEDIA PROFESSIONALS AND MEDIA ACTIVISTS . CREATE MEDIA INITIATIVES TO STRENGTHEN DIALOGUE AROUND THE CHALLENGES FACING OUR WORLD Initially Media Democracy Day (MD day) was organized by local Toronto and Vancouver groups of the Campaign for Press and Broadcasting Freedom. In 2002 events were held in cities around the world. A Media Democracy Day has been held in Chicago in the past. Today the tradition of MD Day is carried on by local citizens and student groups in Canada and around the world. This year a group of media activists and professionals is planning for 2009 Media Democracy Day - Chicago with the objective of including representation and participation from all around the Chicago area. The timing of the event is planned to coincide with the date of Media Democracy Day in Vancouver, Canada. Goals: 1) to bring together area progressive media professionals and media activists to share their perspectives on how we can promote a media system that informs the public on important issues and provides media access to all segments of society. 2) to create coherent messages and media initiatives to draw public attention and broaden and strengthen dialogue around serious issues and challenges facing the area, the nation, and the planet. The suggested attendance donation is being kept to a minimum so that no one who wishes to participate will be excluded. Suggested Donations: $10.00 General admission $5.00 Student/Senior/Low Income Or whatever you can afford Part I - Panel The event will feature concise (5-7 minutes) presentations by key area media activists, media professionals, media-related organizations and academics covering the full spectrum of the reform media map: 1) mainstream media itself, its content, structure, sources, balance, etc.. 2) alternative media of all types, including TV, radio, internet, print, performance, and graphics, 3) public awareness and education about the media, and 4)the media environment, including legislation and regulations.* The panel is also planned to include media representatives from the Latin-American community, the African-American community, women, youth, and the GLBT community. Panelists: Veronica Arreola; Educator, Blogger (vivalafeminista.com) Mike Barr, Documentary filmmaker Joel Bleifuss, Editor, In These Times Karen Bond, National Black Coalition for Media Justice Larry Duncan, Labor Beat Jeanette Foreman, Youth Media Justice Project Kevin Gozstola, documentary filmmaker working on a film/video degree at Columbia College Robert Koehler, Syndicated Columnist Kevin O?Connell, SEIU Local 1 Mitchell Szczepanczyk, Chicago Media Action; Tim Wais, HumanThread Harvey Wells, Vice President, WCPT820 AM Antonio Zavala, freelance journalist Part II - Working Groups and Skills sharing Tract 1 - Working Groups The second part of the event will consist of facilitated breakout working groups, tasked with 1) discussion and then 2) formulating actionable items. Tract 2 - Skills Sharing, such as blogging Part III - Report-back The last component will be a facilitated report-back session. A summary of the report-back will be made available to interested attendees. LIST OF Progressive Media Network (MCPMN), which was formed in November 2007, is an area networking group of media professionals and media activists, *Source: Hackett, Robert A. and William K. Carroll, Remaking Media: The struggle to democratize public communication. 2006 See: www.chicagoprogmedia.org ______________________________________________________________________ Interested in planning or in participating in MDD-Chicago? We are looking for your ideas. Name ________________________________ Phone number _________________________ Email ________________________________ I can help: Organize _____________________________ Publicize______________________________ Offer day-of-event help __________________ Offer special skills for skills sharing segment (please describe) _______________________ _____________________________________ _____________________________________ My organization (Name of organization)_____ _____________________________________ _____________________________________ is interested in co-sponsorship of the event. Please email to: Beverley Walter at walterb306 at cs.com or call at 708 447-1547 Co-sponsor list to date: Community Media Workshop In These Times Chicago Against War and Injustice HumanThread Progressive Democrats of America (Chicago) Near West Citizens for Peace and Justice North Shore Coalition for Peace, Justice and the Environment World Can't Wait - Chicago Illinois Ballot Integrity Project Nicaragua Solidarity Illinois Green Party WCPT820 AM Chicago Media Action Resources Unlimited Hey Neighbor Project College of Complexes Peace Majority Report Herman George School of Social Sciences -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mjkirk12 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 30 13:58:57 2009 From: mjkirk12 at yahoo.com (Mike Kirk) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:58:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CitizensTruth] Dutch bank run and collapse Message-ID: <77403.7300.qm@web83816.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Don't like how your bank does business? Encourage members to withdraw their funds! http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8323991.stm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From futurenotwritten at yahoo.com Sat Oct 31 09:20:48 2009 From: futurenotwritten at yahoo.com (Jay Becker) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 06:20:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CitizensTruth] "No Accounting for Torture" or the 'master'minds behind it? Message-ID: <197647.14886.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Two excellent new pieces by WCW leaders: "Lawyer: CIA Kept detainees alive to keep torturing them" by Curt Wechsler at http://www.firejohnyoo.org/2009/10/no-accounting-for-torture.html "Kept Alive to Be Tortured" a consideration of the reality behind the news by Jill McLaughlin at http://tinyurl.com/yc8pk5t Jay Stop thinking like an American, Start thinking about humanity! Read Revolution at www.revcom.us -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: