[CitizensTruth] Why be on this list if...

[Kris Knight]

I clearly remember when I found out about Dr. Len Horowitz' first book  
titled EMERGING VIRUSES..., long before 9-11.    I read it and while  
reading it, with an overwhelming recognition that he is right, I went  
in to take a shower and basically collapsed from the reality sinking  
in.  Just sobbed and sobbed.  Was in bed for at least 2 days, but  
coming out of that and facing what is behind so much of what is going  
on in this country and elsewhere, I am stronger now.  But it was  
hellacious.  I then over time purchased and read/viewed all of his  
work.  He now is the man who has filed an affidavit about 9-11 and so  
much more in New York, asking for a freeze on all H1N1 vaccinations  
until his affidavit allegations can be ruled out.  He has connected it  
all, incl. Larry Silverstein and the pharmaceutical industry push for  
vaccines that in the end have really nothing to do with protecting  
people from the flu.  Horowitz is a hero in my book.  He is ruthless  
about trying to get the truth out.

At this point re. 9-11, some people who deign to be after the whole  
truth and nothing but the truth are very compromised  and it is a  
great disappointment to me.  the logic appears to be that getting the  
country to back a partial truth about 9-11 is better than trying to  
get them to buy the whole truth, which perhaps is not yet fully known  
to any one person.  But alot of it has been figured out.  A lot.

Sorting things out re. 9-11, ET's, multidimensionality, transitions  
linked to 2012, the profound bastardization of truth and facts, the  
incredible burgeoning of perversions of violence and sexuality, the  
dumbing down of so many in this country, the extraordinary nearly  
total lack of concern about the true epidemic of neurological  
conditions such as autism (now 1 in 38 boys have some version of  
this), ADD, ADHD, LD, chronic clumsiness, rampant sociopathy and  
psychopathy, and so much more, is nearly impossible at this point.  We  
are so many of us at different levels of awareness, that for us to  
ever be able to move forward in unified directions seems an  
unreachable goal.  Positive and loving group mind, one of the greatest  
powers in the universe, is struggling to stay afloat here, for sure.

Hal, I am glad you have found some vehicle with which to bond with  
others around a common goal; it may help people feel more compelled to  
wake up about other things.  I do, however, NOT agree that current  
directions of what is being called "health care reform" stand much  
chance at all of improving the conditions of health in this country.   
Hopefully the creativity stirred within people attending these  
gatherings is able to be nurtured and coaxed out of hiding...there is  
so much that is grand about humanity, after all...

On Oct 3, 2009, at 12:12 PM, Chuck Minne wrote:


> Robin, I am pretty sure that the Panama "alien" was a sloth which  

> lost it's hair by being in the water so long, and then decaying  

> gasses distended it stomach. If you go to the photos in some of the  

> links you can see the claws on all four of its feet. The article  

> mentioned the "Montauk Monster" and you might Google it - that  

> turned out to be a raccoon. Here is a link about the Panama sloth:

>

> http://www.livescience.com/common/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2204

>

>

> I apologize for not doing my research until after I posted.

>

> Re: 911  I consider myself very lucky in having many family members  

> who agree with me on 911. In fact my daughter and her husband were  

> the ones that led me to it in the first place - to my initial  

> incredulity. My son, a dispassionate scientist, and his in-laws even  

> saw the light. So that really helps me. A lot. My sister won't even  

> consider the idea.

>

> Our planet is finite. Capitalism requires infinite growth.  

> Capitalism can't grow with a shrinking population. We must shrink  

> our population to survive. Yada, yada, yada.

>

>

>

> AMY GOODMAN: We’re talking to Wendell Potter. For twenty years he  

> was an executive at CIGNA and Humana. Most importantly, in the years  

> at CIGNA, he was their chief corporate spokesperson, but has left to  

> blow the whistle on insurance companies.

>

> WENDELL POTTER: Well, clearly, this senator [Chuck Grassley] has the  

> insurance industry’s best interests at heart, not the American  

> public and not his constituents.

>

> He has said that he didn’t think a public plan would be fair,  

> compete fairly with insurance companies who—the private insurance  

> industry. I’d like to ask him what is fair about the way that the  

> insurance industries operate today, the companies that dump sick  

> people when they need insurance most. What is fair about the way the  

> insurance industry operates, Senator Grassley?

>

> AMY GOODMAN: Forty-five million new customers, that’s what the  

> private insurance companies can now look forward to, if a bill like  

> what came out of the Senate Finance Committee moves forward with the  

> mandate. Explain how they will make out and how important, how  

> significant, how profitable this is for the for-profit companies.

>

> WENDELL POTTER: Yeah, this is the first time that the insurance  

> industry has really seen great opportunity in healthcare reform,  

> with an individual mandate, which would require all of us to buy  

> insurance if we are not eligible for a public, government-run  

> program, which, fortunately, many people are. We would have to buy  

> it in the private market from insurance companies, many of whom—many  

> of which are for-profit companies. We would not have the option of  

> buying or getting insurance through a government-run program like  

> the public option would create.

>

> So, not only would our premium dollars go into this—into the private  

> insurance industry, but a lot of tax dollars would. Most people who  

> don’t have insurance can’t afford it, and they wouldn’t be able to  

> afford it after healthcare reform is passed without the government  

> subsidizing their premiums. So billions and billions of taxpayers’  

> dollars will flow right into the treasuries of these big for-profit  

> insurance companies. So we will be essentially paying a tax that  

> will help support these insurance companies. It will be an enormous  

> bailout of the health insurance industry.

>

>

> --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Robin Migalla <rmigalla at earthlink.net> wrote:

>

> From: Robin Migalla <rmigalla at earthlink.net>

> Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] Why be on this list if...

> To: "Citizens Truth (E-mail)" <citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net>

> Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 10:54 AM

>

> Hi Chuck,

>

> I really hear your frustration in this message.  I, too, have suffered

> terrible despair over the way things have been going.  When I first  

> woke up

> to the whole building 7 thing, I spent almost an entire year either in

> frantic chicken little ravings or despairing episodes of depression  

> that

> kept me on my couch for weeks.  The same year I awoke, I lost my  

> brother

> who was my best friend in all the world, and the last of my nuclear  

> family

> on this earth.  It was quite a lonely period in my life.  And the  

> absolute

> worst part of it was my husband wouldn't even consider looking at the

> evidence.  Not even in my own home and family, in my closest and most

> intimate relationship, could I get a listening, compassionate ear  

> for the

> distress my awakening caused.

>

> I'm glad that stage is behind me now, and funny thing is since I've  

> come to

> terms with my husband's inability to even entertain the idea there  

> was some

> funny business happening on September 11, 2001, I really am feeling  

> a lot

> more hopeful.  I sincerely believe that the end of deception is upon  

> us.

> Here's a link to an article I found very helpful:

>

> http://www.world-of-wisdom.com/blog/belief-systems-and-their-consequence

> s/24/#more-24

>

> I hope the astrology stuff doesn't scare you too much, to consider the

> points that Adrian is making.

>

> I've also been meaning to reply to your post about the alien  

> discovery in

> Cerro Azul, Panama.  I participate in several groups who are focused  

> on

> planetary ascension.  Many of the people in these groups claim to have

> relationships with extra terrestrials and often share messages they  

> believe

> are coming from them.  If you haven't read "From elsewhere : being  

> E.T. in

> America" by Scott Mendelker, I encourage you to do so.  Many of the

> messages of late have been telling us that there are going to be  

> more and

> more incidences of these extra terrestrials trying to make contact  

> with us.

>

> It's a shame that the teens became so fearful they felt they had to  

> kill

> the creature.  Of course isn't that the way of the world these days  

> - our

> fear driving our madness?  I'm not surprised, but I am saddened by  

> it.  The

> creature doesn't appear to be something capable of overpowering a  

> group of

> healthy teenagers.  If their fear hadn't taken over, perhaps they  

> could

> have subdued rather than killed the creature and we could have learned

> something.

>

> Anyway, the older I get the more I realize truth is a very relative  

> thing.

> I do believe, however, there are a few universal truths on which we  

> can

> rely.  I believe one of them to be that there really is a loving  

> Creator

> which has our very best interests at heart and in mind, and if we  

> can calm

> our fears enough to hear the still small voice we carry within our own

> being given us by that Creator, we might just get a glimpse of a new  

> and

> better world and begin to manifest that.

>

> I also want to express my gratitude to you for your very well  

> thought out

> and thought provoking posts.  It has been through your posts, I have  

> been

> able to let go of some of my staunch libertarian views and to see  

> the value

> in certain public enterprises.  I'm not yet sure health care ought  

> to be

> one of them; especially, given that my view of the current corporate

> controlled system is killing us, but I do think I'm starting to see  

> there

> might be a way of doing this.  Did you know that the very first  

> hospital on

> our continent was established by Benjamin Franklin as a means of  

> caring for

> the homeless sick and mentally ill folks on the streets of  

> Philadelphia.  I

> think good ole Ben was onto something, and I think it was by no  

> accident

> that it was a public enterprise and not a corporate controlled profit

> center.

>

> Thanks for listening,

> Robin

> www.healthforlifecoloncare.com

> www.traditionalnutrition.org

> www.ppnf.org

> "Let thy food be thy medicine and thy medicine be thy food."

>                                      --Hippocrates  (460-377 B.C.)

>             Just be careful how you define food ;-)

>

> "The purpose of medicine is to amuse the patient until nature  

> effects a

> cure."

>                                       -- Voltaire (1694-1778)

>

> "Doctors pour medicines of which they know little to cure diseases  

> of which

>      they no less into humans of which they know nothing."

>                                       -- Voltaire (1694-1778)

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From:    Chuck Minne [SMTP:mincam2 at yahoo.com]

> Sent:    Friday, October 02, 2009 17:36

> To:    September 11 List 2; Connie Smith

> Subject:    Re: [CitizensTruth] Why be on this list if...

>

> Connie, I am on this list because I want to know the truth (or at  

> least

> what others perceive it to be.) I'm not sure that I ever will. In  

> fact, I

> don't think it is entirely possible. I'd be happy if I thought I came

> reasonably close.

>

> Before 911, I actually thought it was possible to be fairly well  

> informed.

> However, 911 has made me almost a complete an unbeliever. I feel  

> confident

> that schoolbooks of 2020 will be full of lies. So why not the  

> schoolbooks

> of 1990? 1890? etc.?

>

> I belong to Architects & Engineers for 911 Truth. Their goal is to

> enlighten Congress. When talking to one of their organizers, I  

> asked, "What

> makes you think Congress is on our side?" She had no answer.

>

> I have come to the conclusion that people do not want to know the  

> "truth,"

> or if they already do, they don't want to admit it. I truly hope I am

> wrong, and that you can prove me so.

>

> It is my guess that we are the work of aliens - but damned if I know  

> or

> even believe that. And that goes for just about everything.

>

> I think our world revolves about greed - but that is just another  

> guess.

>

> Tell me I'm wrong about any of this. that's fine with me - maybe  

> I'll learn

> something. Which is why I am here.

>

>

>

> AMY GOODMAN: We're talking to Wendell Potter. For twenty years he  

> was an

> executive at CIGNA and Humana. Most importantly, in the years at  

> CIGNA, he

> was their chief corporate spokesperson, but has left to blow the  

> whistle on

> insurance companies.

>

> WENDELL POTTER: Well, clearly, this senator [Chuck Grassley] has the

> insurance industry's best interests at heart, not the American  

> public and

> not his constituents.

>

> He has said that he didn't think a public plan would be fair, compete

> fairly with insurance companies who-the private insurance industry.  

> I'd

> like to ask him what is fair about the way that the insurance  

> industries

> operate today, the companies that dump sick people when they need  

> insurance

> most. What is fair about the way the insurance industry operates,  

> Senator

> Grassley?

>

> AMY GOODMAN: Forty-five million new customers, that's what the private

> insurance companies can now look forward to, if a bill like what  

> came out

> of the Senate Finance Committee moves forward with the mandate.  

> Explain how

> they will make out and how important, how significant, how  

> profitable this

> is for the for-profit companies.

>

> WENDELL POTTER: Yeah, this is the first time that the insurance  

> industry

> has really seen great opportunity in healthcare reform, with an  

> individual

> mandate, which would require all of us to buy insurance if we are not

> eligible for a public, government-run program, which, fortunately,  

> many

> people are. We would have to buy it in the private market from  

> insurance

> companies, many of whom-many of which are for-profit companies. We  

> would

> not have the option of buying or getting insurance through a  

> government-run

> program like the public option would create.

>

> So, not only would our premium dollars go into this-into the private

> insurance industry, but a lot of tax dollars would. Most people who  

> don't

> have insurance can't afford it, and they wouldn't be able to afford it

> after healthcare reform is passed without the government subsidizing  

> their

> premiums. So billions and billions of taxpayers' dollars will flow  

> right

> into the treasuries of these big for-profit insurance companies. So  

> we will

> be essentially paying a tax that will help support these insurance

> companies. It will be an enormous bailout of the health insurance  

> industry.

>

> --- On Fri, 10/2/09, Connie Smith <dimension04 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>

>

> From: Connie Smith <dimension04 at sbcglobal.net>

> Subject: [CitizensTruth] Why be on this list if...

> To: "September 11 List 2" <citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net>

> Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 5:05 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Regarding a few comments that are going around, pertaining to the NY  

> ballot

> efforts, Daniel Sunjata, etc:

>

> Why on earth would anyone be on a 9/11 Truth list if they doubt the  

> truth

> WILL break through?  One comment was an overt demoralization attempt  

> --

> which is like attempted sabotage.  The other was all about confusion  

> --

> which at very least, isn't helpful.

>

> Of course there's mythology in our history, but the good stories  

> aren't the

> problem. America does have a foundation of ideals, and there are  

> healthy

> kernels of truth and goodness even if some events are exaggerated.

>

> The problem comes in with lack of truth about the "bad" stories --  

> lack of

> awareness of how brutal and arrogant many US policies actually have  

> been

> and continue to be.

>

> America:  all good, no bad -- this has been the LIE unconscionably  

> taught

> to us, to generations of schoolchildren.  This is what has most  

> Americans

> living in the matrix of ignorance -- and why the perpetrators of  

> 9/11 were

> pretty sure they could get away with it.

>

> But I'm convinced the unprecedented level of global awareness and  

> activism

> are reaching critical mass -- and ALL the lies -- especially about  

> history

> and religion -- are soon going to come rushing out in a tsunami of  

> truth.

> Our main task then is to help people adjust -- as we have had to do  

> -- to

> the shock.  And then to help build an entirely new and shining  

> future based

> on good-hearted realism instead of the evil agendas humanity has  

> long been

> suffering.

>

> Connie

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Kris Knight of WellAware Life Enhancement Center
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