[CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?"

[Connie Smith]

Good and well-informed points, as always, Geri.

Re, the "hope" thing.  A LITTLE more to it than that is my surprise that 
given a potential 4-8 years in office, there's so much conviction, it seems, 
that in less than one year he's a Failure, or worse.   Could all this be 
"premature speculation"?

I think his rise to power is founded on his natural abilities -- BUT, I 
understand that like Kucinich, all the natural abilities in the world can't 
"get you there" if you don't have the backing of the powers-that-be.

I still wonder whether They are using Barack -- or given time, it will turn 
out that he has used Them.  That it's been his strategy all along to use 
them to get to where, well actually -- to where he CAME FROM and bless the 
world with it -- and that would be his mom's and grandma's life-long 
grooming to truly love and help humanity.

The ptb, or mom and gram.  Hmmmmm...which will it turn out to be...

?



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Geri Perry" <geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com>
To: "Connie Smith" <dimension04 at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: "Chuck Minne" <mincam2 at yahoo.com>; <citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net>
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?"



> And there is yet another perspective . . .

>

> This one holds that Obama, like so many before him, is little more than a 

> puppet.

>

> How else can we explain his meteoric rise from total obscurity to become- 

> in one giant leap - president of the Unite States, and tainted no less by 

> the same Rezco scandal that so heavily damaged the Blago image?

>

> We can guess who pulls the strings, but following the money is a good 

> start.

>

> Amazingly poor timing was evident when Obama convened his war council for 

> crucial talks on Afghan strategy within hours after being named Nobel 

> Peace Laureate. This may be due to the fact that, as Chalmers Johnson 

> posits in Sorrows of Empire, CentCom pulls the shots on foreign policy, 

> not the pres. (Or maybe now its NATO?)

>

> I'm no fan of Michael Moore but there is something to be said for those 

> who at least HOPE the president will do right by the people and not the 

> money power. Wishful thinking in the face of current facts, but WAY better 

> than actually "hoping he will fail" as Rush Limbaugh has publicly AND 

> wrongly asserted.

>

> Geri P

>

> Connie Smith wrote:

>> Or...we could consider another point of view:

>>

>> *Get Off Obama's Back ...second thoughts from Michael Moore*

>>

>> Saturday, October 10th, 2009

>>

>> Friends,

>>

>> ...I went back and re-read what I had written. And _I listened for far 

>> too long yesterday to the right wing hate machine who did what they could 

>> to crap all over Barack's big day. Did I -- and others on the left -- do 

>> the same? _

>>

>> We are weary, weary of war. The trillions that will have gone to these 

>> two wars have helped to bankrupt us as a nation -- financially and 

>> morally. To think of all the good we could have done with all that money! 

>> Two months of the War in Iraq would pay for all the wells that need to be 

>> dug in the Third World for drinking water! Obama is moving too slow for 

>> most of us -- but he needs to know we are with him and we stand beside 

>> him as he attempts to turn eight years of sheer madness around. Who could 

>> do that in nine months? Superman? Thor? Mitch McConnell?

>>

>> Instead of waiting to see what the president is going to do, we all need 

>> to be pro-active and push the agenda that we want to see enacted. What 

>> keeps us from forming the same local groups we put together to get out 

>> the vote last November? C'mon! We're the majority now -- the majority by 

>> a significant margin! We call the shots -- and we need to tell this wimpy 

>> Congress to get busy and do what we say -- or else.

>>

>> All I ask of those who voted for Obama is to not pile on him too quickly. 

>> Yes, make your voice heard (his phone number is 202-456-1414). But don't 

>> abandon the best hope we've had in our lifetime for change. And for God's 

>> sake, don't head to bummerville if he says or does something we don't 

>> like. Do you ever see Republicans behave that way? I mean, the Right had 

>> 20 years of Republican presidents and they still couldn't get prayer in 

>> the public schools, or outlaw abortion, or initiate a flat tax or put our 

>> Social Security into the stock market. They did a lot of damage, no doubt 

>> about that, but on the key issues that the Christian Right fought for, 

>> they came up nearly empty handed. No wonder they've been driven crazy 

>> lately. They'll never have it as good again as they've had it since 

>> Reagan took office.

>>

>> But -- do you ever see them looking all gloomy and defeated? No! They 

>> keep on fighting! Every day. Our side? At the first sign of wavering, we 

>> just pack up our toys and go home.

>>

>> So, at least for this weekend, let us celebrate what people elsewhere are 

>> celebrating -- that America now has a sane and smart man in the White 

>> House, a man who truly wants a world at peace for his two daughters.

>>

>> Many, for the past couple days (yes, myself included), have grumbled, 

>> "What has he done to earn this prize?" How 'bout this:

>>

>> The simple fact that he was elected was reason enough for him to be the 

>> recipient of this year's Nobel Peace Prize.

>>

>> Because on that day the murderous actions of the Bush/Cheney years were 

>> totally and thoroughly rebuked. One man -- a man who opposed the War in 

>> Iraq from the beginning -- offered to end the insanity. The world has 

>> stood by in utter horror for the past eight years as they watched the 

>> descendants of Washington, Lincoln and Jefferson light the fuse of our 

>> own self-destruction. We flipped off the nations on this planet by 

>> abandoning Kyoto and then proceeded to melt eight more years worth of the 

>> polar ice caps. We invaded two nations that didn't attack us, failed to 

>> find the real terrorists and, in effect, ignited our own wave of terror. 

>> People all over the world wondered if we had gone mad.

>>

>> And if all that wasn't enough, the outgoing Joker presided over the worst 

>> global financial collapse since the Great Depression.

>>

>> So, yeah, at precisely 11:00pm ET on November 4, 2008, Barack Obama won 

>> the Nobel Peace Prize. And the 66 million people who voted for him won 

>> it, too. By the time he took the stage at midnight ET in the Grant Park 

>> Historic Hippie Battlefield in downtown Chicago, billions of people 

>> around the globe were already breathing a huge sigh of relief. It was as 

>> if, in that instant, one man did bring the promise of peace to the 

>> world -- and most were ready to go wherever he wanted to go to achieve 

>> that end. Never before had the election of one man made every other 

>> nation feel like they had won, too. When you've got billions of people 

>> ready, willing and able to join a cause like this, well, a prize in Oslo 

>> is the least that you deserve.

>>

>> One other thought. The Peace Prize historically has been given to those 

>> who have worked to throw off the yoke of racial discrimination and 

>> segregation (Martin Luther King, Jr., Desmond Tutu). I think the Nobel 

>> committee, in awarding Obama the prize, was also rewarding the fact that 

>> something profound had happened in a nation that was founded on racial 

>> genocide, built on racist slavery, and held back for a hundred-plus years 

>> by vestiges of hateful bigotry (which can still be found on display at 

>> teabagger rallies and daily talk radio). The fact that this one man could 

>> cause this seismic historical event to occur -- and to do so with such 

>> grace and humility, never succumbing to the bait, but still not backing 

>> down (yes, he asked to be sworn in as "Barack Hussein Obama"!) -- is more 

>> than reason enough he should be in Oslo to meet the King on December 10. 

>> Maybe he could take us along with him. 'Cause I also suspect the Nobel 

>> committee was tipping its hat to all of us -- we, the American people, 

>> had conquered some of our racism and did the truly unexpected. After 

>> seeing searing images of our black fellow citizens left to drown in New 

>> Orleans -- and poor whites seeing their own treated no better than the 

>> black man they had been raised to hate -- we had all seen enough. It was 

>> time for change.

>>

>> Thank you, Barack Obama, for giving us the opportunity to redeem 

>> ourselves. Now for the tasks ahead. We need you to do all that you 

>> promised to do. We need it. The world needs it.

>>

>> My prediction for the future? You become the first *two-time* winner of 

>> the Nobel Peace Prize! Yeah!

>>

>> Fred (that's Norwegian for "Peace"),

>> Michael Moore

>> MMFlint at aol.com

>> MichaelMoore.com

>>

>>

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>>         Foreign Newspapers on Obama’s Nobel Prize Victory

>>

>>     October 10th, 2009 | By: Michael van der Galien

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>>     obama nobel peace prize

>>      The left-wing NRC Handelsblad

>>     <http://weblogs.nrc.nl/commentaar/2009/10/09/bedwelmd-door-hoop/>

>>     (Netherlands): ”What got into the committee to award this prize to

>>     a man who has yet to live up to the high expectations? *Were they

>>     drunk?”*

>>      Center-left to center Volkskrant

>>     <http://extra.volkskrant.nl/opinie/commentaar>

>>     (Netherlands): ”It’s clear that Obama has increasingly more

>>     difficulty meeting expectations.  His inspiring words about peace

>>     and deproliferation have yet to be supported by any concrete

>>     results. What is meant to be a reward [for great achievements],

>>     could very well end up being tremendous burden for Obama.”

>>      The right-of-center Telegraaf

>> 

>> <http://telegraaf-i.telegraaf.nl/daily/2009/10/10/TE/TE_2S_20091010_3/articles/artikel_TE_2S_20091010_3_172.php>

>>     (Netherlands): “This isn’t the first mistake of the Committee, but

>>     it is the biggest. The value of the Nobel Peace Prize has been

>>     diminished.”

>>      Benedict Brogan, writing for the British newspaper the Telegraph

>> 

>> <http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/benedictbrogan/100013071/nobel-prize-for-president-obama-is-a-shocker-he-should-turn-it-down/>:

>>     “To reward him for a blank results sheet, to inflate him when he

>>     has no achievements to his name, makes a mockery of what, let’s

>>     face it, is an already fairly discredited process (remember

>>     Rigoberta Menchu in 1992? Ha!). That’s not the point. What this

>>     does is accelerate the elevation of President Obama to a comedy

>>     confection, which he does not deserve, and gives his critics yet

>>     another bat to whack him with. Shame on the Swedes Norwegians*. He

>>     should turn it down, even if he does look great in white tie and

>>     tails.”

>>      The Times of London

>> 

>> <http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6867711.ece>:

>>     “Rarely has an award had such an obvious political and partisan

>>     intent. It was clearly seen by the Norwegian Nobel committee as a

>>     way of expressing European gratitude for an end to the Bush

>>     Administration, approval for the election of America’s first black

>>     president and hope that Washington will honour its promise to

>>     re-engage with the world.

>>      “Instead, the prize risks looking preposterous in its claims,

>>     patronising in its intentions and demeaning in its attempt to

>>     build up a man who has barely begun his period in office, let

>>     alone achieved any tangible outcome for peace.”

>>      Left-wing rag the Guardian

>> 

>> <http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/09/barack-obama-nobel-prize-why>:

>>     “Indeed, the reasoning behind the awarding of the prize to

>>     previous American presidents has been easier to discern. Teddy

>>     Roosevelt opened the court of arbitration in the Hague and helped

>>     mediate a peace treaty between Russia and Japan; Woodrow Wilson

>>     was the founder of the League of Nations. Jimmy Carter won his

>>     prize for his “untiring efforts to find peaceful solutions to

>>     international conflicts”.

>>      “Which is what makes the awarding of this year’s prize to a

>>     president who has been in office for a mere nine months an odd

>>     departure. It is as if the prize committee had been persuaded to

>>     give the award on the future delivery of promises.”

>>      The Sydney Morning Herald

>> 

>> <http://www.smh.com.au/world/they-think-he-can-obama-wins-nobel-peace-prize-20091009-gqwu.html>:

>>     “YES, surprisingly, he could. Barack Obama, is the shock choice

>>     for the Nobel Peace Prize, less than a year after his election as

>>     U.S. President.”

>>      Il Giornale

>> 

>> <http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/09/international-media-reactions-obama-peace-prize/>

>>     (Italy): “Let me be clear: the discourse on Islam in Cairo was

>>     beautiful, tall, and it opens up new horizons, but did not lead to

>>     anything. And on the other matter, as pointed out repeatedly in

>>     this blog, Obama has been evasive or inconclusive, starting with

>>     Iran and Afghanistan. Nor can he boast the merits of rapprochement

>>     with North Korea, which was brought about by Bill Clinton. He kept

>>     only one real promise: the gradual withdrawal from Iraq. Enough to

>>     deserve the Nobel Prize?”

>>      Center-left the Spiegel

>>     <http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,654251,00.html>

>>     (Germany): “The Nobel Peace Prize has come too early for Barack

>>     Obama. The US president cannot point to any real diplomatic

>>     successes to date and there are few prospects of any to come.”

>>      National Post

>> 

>> <http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/10/09/jonathan-kay-giving-barack-obama-the-nobel-peace-prize-is-ridiculous.aspx>

>>     (Canada): “Obama is being given his award for mere words — for

>>     striking fashionable poses in favour of multilateralism, for

>>     making a nice speech in Cairo, for offering “hope.” Months after

>>     Americans learned to dismiss Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign

>>     slogans as the meaningless bromides they were, Scandinavians are

>>     still drinking his Kool-aid.”

>>

>>      "*_most of those bankrupted by medical problems had health

>>     insurance"_*

>>     *_"Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to 

>> college."_*

>>     *_"Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health

>>     insurance."_*

>>      *Medical problems contributed to nearly two-thirds (62.1 percent)

>>     of all bankruptcies in 2007*, according to a study in the August

>>     issue of the American Journal of Medicine that was published today

>>     online. The data were collected prior to the current economic

>>     downturn and hence likely understate the current burden of

>>     financial suffering. Between 2001 and 2007, the proportion of all

>>     bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6

>>     percent. The authors’ previous 2001 findings have been widely

>>     cited by policy leaders, including President Obama.

>>      *_Surprisingly, most of those bankrupted by medical problems had

>>     health insurance. More than three-quarters (77.9 percent) were

>>     insured at the start of the bankrupting illness,_* including 60.3

>>     percent who had private coverage. Most of the medically bankrupt

>>     were solidly middle class before financial disaster hit.

>>     *_Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to

>>     college._* In many cases, high medical bills coincided with a loss

>>     of income as illness forced breadwinners to lose time from work.

>>     *_Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health

>>     insurance._*

>>      From:

>> 

>> http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/content/more-medical-bankruptcy-have-insurance-go-bankrupt

>>

>>

>>      "*_most of those bankrupted by medical problems had health

>>     insurance"_*

>>     *_"Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to 

>> college."_*

>>     *_"Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health

>>     insurance."_*

>>      *Medical problems contributed to nearly two-thirds (62.1 percent)

>>     of all bankruptcies in 2007*, according to a study in the August

>>     issue of the American Journal of Medicine that was published today

>>     online. The data were collected prior to the current economic

>>     downturn and hence likely understate the current burden of

>>     financial suffering. Between 2001 and 2007, the proportion of all

>>     bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6

>>     percent. The authors’ previous 2001 findings have been widely

>>     cited by policy leaders, including President Obama.

>>      *_Surprisingly, most of those bankrupted by medical problems had

>>     health insurance. More than three-quarters (77.9 percent) were

>>     insured at the start of the bankrupting illness,_* including 60.3

>>     percent who had private coverage. Most of the medically bankrupt

>>     were solidly middle class before financial disaster hit.

>>     *_Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to

>>     college._* In many cases, high medical bills coincided with a loss

>>     of income as illness forced breadwinners to lose time from work.

>>     *_Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health

>>     insurance._*

>>      From:

>> 

>> http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/content/more-medical-bankruptcy-have-insurance-go-bankrupt

>>

>>

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