[CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?"

[Brian Good]

   Obama lost me when he voted for the telecom wiretap immunity bill 
after promising that he would filibuster to oppose it.  He never explained 
why he voted for it.  He was a constitutional scholar and he understood 
the issues, and he was a lawyer who understood that the bill would stop
the 50 pending lawsuits' discovery process that would have revealed the 
depth and breadth of the wiretap violations.

  I would like to believe that he's a good guy who will at some dramatic
point whip off his Bush-lite mask and show us who he really is, but I
already went through that process with Kerry.  Through the whole
Ohio recount process in 2004 I kept telling everybody--"You just watch,
the Democrats know what they're doing.  This is a trap for Bush."  I was
wrong.

  From 2006 to 2008 the Dems told us  "We must appease and  concentrate 
on winning the next election."  So now that it's won, we must keep on
appeasing?  On his third day in office Obama declared his contempt for 
international law, the Nuremberg Principles, the UN, and simple human
decency by ordering drone missile attacks on Pakistan that killed 14
civilians.  He's a war criminal.







  



> From: dimension04 at sbcglobal.net

> To: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com

> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:11:47 -0500

> CC: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net

> Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?"

> 

> 

> 

> Good and well-informed points, as always, Geri.

> 

> Re, the "hope" thing.  A LITTLE more to it than that is my surprise that 

> given a potential 4-8 years in office, there's so much conviction, it seems, 

> that in less than one year he's a Failure, or worse.   Could all this be 

> "premature speculation"?

> 

> I think his rise to power is founded on his natural abilities -- BUT, I 

> understand that like Kucinich, all the natural abilities in the world can't 

> "get you there" if you don't have the backing of the powers-that-be.

> 

> I still wonder whether They are using Barack -- or given time, it will turn 

> out that he has used Them.  That it's been his strategy all along to use 

> them to get to where, well actually -- to where he CAME FROM and bless the 

> world with it -- and that would be his mom's and grandma's life-long 

> grooming to truly love and help humanity.

> 

> The ptb, or mom and gram.  Hmmmmm...which will it turn out to be...

> 

> ?

> 

> 

> 

> ----- Original Message ----- 

> From: "Geri Perry" <geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com>

> To: "Connie Smith" <dimension04 at sbcglobal.net>

> Cc: "Chuck Minne" <mincam2 at yahoo.com>; <citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net>

> Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 6:24 PM

> Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?"

> 

> 

> > And there is yet another perspective . . .

> >

> > This one holds that Obama, like so many before him, is little more than a 

> > puppet.

> >

> > How else can we explain his meteoric rise from total obscurity to become- 

> > in one giant leap - president of the Unite States, and tainted no less by 

> > the same Rezco scandal that so heavily damaged the Blago image?

> >

> > We can guess who pulls the strings, but following the money is a good 

> > start.

> >

> > Amazingly poor timing was evident when Obama convened his war council for 

> > crucial talks on Afghan strategy within hours after being named Nobel 

> > Peace Laureate. This may be due to the fact that, as Chalmers Johnson 

> > posits in Sorrows of Empire, CentCom pulls the shots on foreign policy, 

> > not the pres. (Or maybe now its NATO?)

> >

> > I'm no fan of Michael Moore but there is something to be said for those 

> > who at least HOPE the president will do right by the people and not the 

> > money power. Wishful thinking in the face of current facts, but WAY better 

> > than actually "hoping he will fail" as Rush Limbaugh has publicly AND 

> > wrongly asserted.

> >

> > Geri P

> >

> > Connie Smith wrote:

> >> Or...we could consider another point of view:

> >>

> >> *Get Off Obama's Back ...second thoughts from Michael Moore*

> >>

> >> Saturday, October 10th, 2009

> >>

> >> Friends,

> >>

> >> ...I went back and re-read what I had written. And _I listened for far 

> >> too long yesterday to the right wing hate machine who did what they could 

> >> to crap all over Barack's big day. Did I -- and others on the left -- do 

> >> the same? _

> >>

> >> We are weary, weary of war. The trillions that will have gone to these 

> >> two wars have helped to bankrupt us as a nation -- financially and 

> >> morally. To think of all the good we could have done with all that money! 

> >> Two months of the War in Iraq would pay for all the wells that need to be 

> >> dug in the Third World for drinking water! Obama is moving too slow for 

> >> most of us -- but he needs to know we are with him and we stand beside 

> >> him as he attempts to turn eight years of sheer madness around. Who could 

> >> do that in nine months? Superman? Thor? Mitch McConnell?

> >>

> >> Instead of waiting to see what the president is going to do, we all need 

> >> to be pro-active and push the agenda that we want to see enacted. What 

> >> keeps us from forming the same local groups we put together to get out 

> >> the vote last November? C'mon! We're the majority now -- the majority by 

> >> a significant margin! We call the shots -- and we need to tell this wimpy 

> >> Congress to get busy and do what we say -- or else.

> >>

> >> All I ask of those who voted for Obama is to not pile on him too quickly. 

> >> Yes, make your voice heard (his phone number is 202-456-1414). But don't 

> >> abandon the best hope we've had in our lifetime for change. And for God's 

> >> sake, don't head to bummerville if he says or does something we don't 

> >> like. Do you ever see Republicans behave that way? I mean, the Right had 

> >> 20 years of Republican presidents and they still couldn't get prayer in 

> >> the public schools, or outlaw abortion, or initiate a flat tax or put our 

> >> Social Security into the stock market. They did a lot of damage, no doubt 

> >> about that, but on the key issues that the Christian Right fought for, 

> >> they came up nearly empty handed. No wonder they've been driven crazy 

> >> lately. They'll never have it as good again as they've had it since 

> >> Reagan took office.

> >>

> >> But -- do you ever see them looking all gloomy and defeated? No! They 

> >> keep on fighting! Every day. Our side? At the first sign of wavering, we 

> >> just pack up our toys and go home.

> >>

> >> So, at least for this weekend, let us celebrate what people elsewhere are 

> >> celebrating -- that America now has a sane and smart man in the White 

> >> House, a man who truly wants a world at peace for his two daughters.

> >>

> >> Many, for the past couple days (yes, myself included), have grumbled, 

> >> "What has he done to earn this prize?" How 'bout this:

> >>

> >> The simple fact that he was elected was reason enough for him to be the 

> >> recipient of this year's Nobel Peace Prize.

> >>

> >> Because on that day the murderous actions of the Bush/Cheney years were 

> >> totally and thoroughly rebuked. One man -- a man who opposed the War in 

> >> Iraq from the beginning -- offered to end the insanity. The world has 

> >> stood by in utter horror for the past eight years as they watched the 

> >> descendants of Washington, Lincoln and Jefferson light the fuse of our 

> >> own self-destruction. We flipped off the nations on this planet by 

> >> abandoning Kyoto and then proceeded to melt eight more years worth of the 

> >> polar ice caps. We invaded two nations that didn't attack us, failed to 

> >> find the real terrorists and, in effect, ignited our own wave of terror. 

> >> People all over the world wondered if we had gone mad.

> >>

> >> And if all that wasn't enough, the outgoing Joker presided over the worst 

> >> global financial collapse since the Great Depression.

> >>

> >> So, yeah, at precisely 11:00pm ET on November 4, 2008, Barack Obama won 

> >> the Nobel Peace Prize. And the 66 million people who voted for him won 

> >> it, too. By the time he took the stage at midnight ET in the Grant Park 

> >> Historic Hippie Battlefield in downtown Chicago, billions of people 

> >> around the globe were already breathing a huge sigh of relief. It was as 

> >> if, in that instant, one man did bring the promise of peace to the 

> >> world -- and most were ready to go wherever he wanted to go to achieve 

> >> that end. Never before had the election of one man made every other 

> >> nation feel like they had won, too. When you've got billions of people 

> >> ready, willing and able to join a cause like this, well, a prize in Oslo 

> >> is the least that you deserve.

> >>

> >> One other thought. The Peace Prize historically has been given to those 

> >> who have worked to throw off the yoke of racial discrimination and 

> >> segregation (Martin Luther King, Jr., Desmond Tutu). I think the Nobel 

> >> committee, in awarding Obama the prize, was also rewarding the fact that 

> >> something profound had happened in a nation that was founded on racial 

> >> genocide, built on racist slavery, and held back for a hundred-plus years 

> >> by vestiges of hateful bigotry (which can still be found on display at 

> >> teabagger rallies and daily talk radio). The fact that this one man could 

> >> cause this seismic historical event to occur -- and to do so with such 

> >> grace and humility, never succumbing to the bait, but still not backing 

> >> down (yes, he asked to be sworn in as "Barack Hussein Obama"!) -- is more 

> >> than reason enough he should be in Oslo to meet the King on December 10. 

> >> Maybe he could take us along with him. 'Cause I also suspect the Nobel 

> >> committee was tipping its hat to all of us -- we, the American people, 

> >> had conquered some of our racism and did the truly unexpected. After 

> >> seeing searing images of our black fellow citizens left to drown in New 

> >> Orleans -- and poor whites seeing their own treated no better than the 

> >> black man they had been raised to hate -- we had all seen enough. It was 

> >> time for change.

> >>

> >> Thank you, Barack Obama, for giving us the opportunity to redeem 

> >> ourselves. Now for the tasks ahead. We need you to do all that you 

> >> promised to do. We need it. The world needs it.

> >>

> >> My prediction for the future? You become the first *two-time* winner of 

> >> the Nobel Peace Prize! Yeah!

> >>

> >> Fred (that's Norwegian for "Peace"),

> >> Michael Moore

> >> MMFlint at aol.com

> >> MichaelMoore.com

> >>

> >>

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> >>

> >>     ----- Original Message -----

> >>     *From:* Chuck Minne <mailto:mincam2 at yahoo.com>

> >>     *To:* citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net

> >>     <mailto:citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net>

> >>     *Sent:* Sunday, October 11, 2009 6:47 PM

> >>     *Subject:* [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?"

> >>

> >>

> >>         Foreign Newspapers on Obama’s Nobel Prize Victory

> >>

> >>     October 10th, 2009 | By: Michael van der Galien

> >>     <http://www.poligazette.com/author/michael-van-der-galien/>

> >>     Tags: Barack Obama <http://www.poligazette.com/tag/barack-obama/>,

> >>     News <http://www.poligazette.com/tag/news/>, Nobel Peace Prize

> >>     <http://www.poligazette.com/tag/nobel-peace-prize/>, PoliGazette

> >>     <http://www.poligazette.com/tag/poligazette/>, Politics

> >>     <http://www.poligazette.com/tag/politics/>

> >>     Leave a comment

> >> 

> >> <http://www.poligazette.com/2009/10/10/foreign-newspapers-on-obamas-nobel-prize-victory/#respond>

> >>     | Trackback

> >> 

> >> <http://www.poligazette.com/2009/10/10/foreign-newspapers-on-obamas-nobel-prize-victory/trackback/>

> >>

> >>     obama nobel peace prize

> >>      The left-wing NRC Handelsblad

> >>     <http://weblogs.nrc.nl/commentaar/2009/10/09/bedwelmd-door-hoop/>

> >>     (Netherlands): ”What got into the committee to award this prize to

> >>     a man who has yet to live up to the high expectations? *Were they

> >>     drunk?”*

> >>      Center-left to center Volkskrant

> >>     <http://extra.volkskrant.nl/opinie/commentaar>

> >>     (Netherlands): ”It’s clear that Obama has increasingly more

> >>     difficulty meeting expectations.  His inspiring words about peace

> >>     and deproliferation have yet to be supported by any concrete

> >>     results. What is meant to be a reward [for great achievements],

> >>     could very well end up being tremendous burden for Obama.”

> >>      The right-of-center Telegraaf

> >> 

> >> <http://telegraaf-i.telegraaf.nl/daily/2009/10/10/TE/TE_2S_20091010_3/articles/artikel_TE_2S_20091010_3_172.php>

> >>     (Netherlands): “This isn’t the first mistake of the Committee, but

> >>     it is the biggest. The value of the Nobel Peace Prize has been

> >>     diminished.”

> >>      Benedict Brogan, writing for the British newspaper the Telegraph

> >> 

> >> <http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/benedictbrogan/100013071/nobel-prize-for-president-obama-is-a-shocker-he-should-turn-it-down/>:

> >>     “To reward him for a blank results sheet, to inflate him when he

> >>     has no achievements to his name, makes a mockery of what, let’s

> >>     face it, is an already fairly discredited process (remember

> >>     Rigoberta Menchu in 1992? Ha!). That’s not the point. What this

> >>     does is accelerate the elevation of President Obama to a comedy

> >>     confection, which he does not deserve, and gives his critics yet

> >>     another bat to whack him with. Shame on the Swedes Norwegians*. He

> >>     should turn it down, even if he does look great in white tie and

> >>     tails.”

> >>      The Times of London

> >> 

> >> <http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6867711.ece>:

> >>     “Rarely has an award had such an obvious political and partisan

> >>     intent. It was clearly seen by the Norwegian Nobel committee as a

> >>     way of expressing European gratitude for an end to the Bush

> >>     Administration, approval for the election of America’s first black

> >>     president and hope that Washington will honour its promise to

> >>     re-engage with the world.

> >>      “Instead, the prize risks looking preposterous in its claims,

> >>     patronising in its intentions and demeaning in its attempt to

> >>     build up a man who has barely begun his period in office, let

> >>     alone achieved any tangible outcome for peace.”

> >>      Left-wing rag the Guardian

> >> 

> >> <http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/09/barack-obama-nobel-prize-why>:

> >>     “Indeed, the reasoning behind the awarding of the prize to

> >>     previous American presidents has been easier to discern. Teddy

> >>     Roosevelt opened the court of arbitration in the Hague and helped

> >>     mediate a peace treaty between Russia and Japan; Woodrow Wilson

> >>     was the founder of the League of Nations. Jimmy Carter won his

> >>     prize for his “untiring efforts to find peaceful solutions to

> >>     international conflicts”.

> >>      “Which is what makes the awarding of this year’s prize to a

> >>     president who has been in office for a mere nine months an odd

> >>     departure. It is as if the prize committee had been persuaded to

> >>     give the award on the future delivery of promises.”

> >>      The Sydney Morning Herald

> >> 

> >> <http://www.smh.com.au/world/they-think-he-can-obama-wins-nobel-peace-prize-20091009-gqwu.html>:

> >>     “YES, surprisingly, he could. Barack Obama, is the shock choice

> >>     for the Nobel Peace Prize, less than a year after his election as

> >>     U.S. President.”

> >>      Il Giornale

> >> 

> >> <http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/09/international-media-reactions-obama-peace-prize/>

> >>     (Italy): “Let me be clear: the discourse on Islam in Cairo was

> >>     beautiful, tall, and it opens up new horizons, but did not lead to

> >>     anything. And on the other matter, as pointed out repeatedly in

> >>     this blog, Obama has been evasive or inconclusive, starting with

> >>     Iran and Afghanistan. Nor can he boast the merits of rapprochement

> >>     with North Korea, which was brought about by Bill Clinton. He kept

> >>     only one real promise: the gradual withdrawal from Iraq. Enough to

> >>     deserve the Nobel Prize?”

> >>      Center-left the Spiegel

> >>     <http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,654251,00.html>

> >>     (Germany): “The Nobel Peace Prize has come too early for Barack

> >>     Obama. The US president cannot point to any real diplomatic

> >>     successes to date and there are few prospects of any to come.”

> >>      National Post

> >> 

> >> <http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/10/09/jonathan-kay-giving-barack-obama-the-nobel-peace-prize-is-ridiculous.aspx>

> >>     (Canada): “Obama is being given his award for mere words — for

> >>     striking fashionable poses in favour of multilateralism, for

> >>     making a nice speech in Cairo, for offering “hope.” Months after

> >>     Americans learned to dismiss Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign

> >>     slogans as the meaningless bromides they were, Scandinavians are

> >>     still drinking his Kool-aid.”

> >>

> >>      "*_most of those bankrupted by medical problems had health

> >>     insurance"_*

> >>     *_"Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to 

> >> college."_*

> >>     *_"Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health

> >>     insurance."_*

> >>      *Medical problems contributed to nearly two-thirds (62.1 percent)

> >>     of all bankruptcies in 2007*, according to a study in the August

> >>     issue of the American Journal of Medicine that was published today

> >>     online. The data were collected prior to the current economic

> >>     downturn and hence likely understate the current burden of

> >>     financial suffering. Between 2001 and 2007, the proportion of all

> >>     bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6

> >>     percent. The authors’ previous 2001 findings have been widely

> >>     cited by policy leaders, including President Obama.

> >>      *_Surprisingly, most of those bankrupted by medical problems had

> >>     health insurance. More than three-quarters (77.9 percent) were

> >>     insured at the start of the bankrupting illness,_* including 60.3

> >>     percent who had private coverage. Most of the medically bankrupt

> >>     were solidly middle class before financial disaster hit.

> >>     *_Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to

> >>     college._* In many cases, high medical bills coincided with a loss

> >>     of income as illness forced breadwinners to lose time from work.

> >>     *_Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health

> >>     insurance._*

> >>      From:

> >> 

> >> http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/content/more-medical-bankruptcy-have-insurance-go-bankrupt

> >>

> >>

> >>      "*_most of those bankrupted by medical problems had health

> >>     insurance"_*

> >>     *_"Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to 

> >> college."_*

> >>     *_"Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health

> >>     insurance."_*

> >>      *Medical problems contributed to nearly two-thirds (62.1 percent)

> >>     of all bankruptcies in 2007*, according to a study in the August

> >>     issue of the American Journal of Medicine that was published today

> >>     online. The data were collected prior to the current economic

> >>     downturn and hence likely understate the current burden of

> >>     financial suffering. Between 2001 and 2007, the proportion of all

> >>     bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6

> >>     percent. The authors’ previous 2001 findings have been widely

> >>     cited by policy leaders, including President Obama.

> >>      *_Surprisingly, most of those bankrupted by medical problems had

> >>     health insurance. More than three-quarters (77.9 percent) were

> >>     insured at the start of the bankrupting illness,_* including 60.3

> >>     percent who had private coverage. Most of the medically bankrupt

> >>     were solidly middle class before financial disaster hit.

> >>     *_Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to

> >>     college._* In many cases, high medical bills coincided with a loss

> >>     of income as illness forced breadwinners to lose time from work.

> >>     *_Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health

> >>     insurance._*

> >>      From:

> >> 

> >> http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/content/more-medical-bankruptcy-have-insurance-go-bankrupt

> >>

> >>

> >>

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