[CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?"

Brian Good snug.bug at hotmail.com
Tue Oct 13 02:59:27 EDT 2009




Connie, you have long been a courageous advocate for truth. I admire you
and I wish I could share your optimism.

On his third day in office, Obama sent drones to launch missiles that killed
14 Pakistani civilians in violation of the Nuremberg Principles, the UN Charter,
and thus Article 6 of the US Constitution. Maybe this was "making his bones"
and maybe it was a head-fake to protect his admirable intentions. Time will
tell.

Joseph Cannon at Cannonfire.blogspot.com has run a series of articles
suggesting that Obama has been CIA since he was ten years old.


http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2009/08/names-obama-barack-obama.html

I don't need any seasoning or garnishes to eat my words. I would LOVE
to be shown wrong, so I could have my life back. I see Obama unwilling to
yield any of the neofascistic powers put in place by the Bush regime. These
powers will remain in the presidential toolbox when president Rice or president
Rumsfeld or president Cheney takes power in 2012.






From: dimension04 at sbcglobal.net
To: aroyboy44 at hotmail.com; snug.bug at hotmail.com; geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com
CC: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net
Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?"
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 01:30:54 -0500












I still think it might turn out that Obama is using
them instead of the other way around -- a smarter man, all the way
around.

Not to mention it's still less
than his first year in office!

All this criticism! It's all so contrary to
his lifetime personal history. Mainly for that reason, I guess
I'd rather be wrong on his side rather than right on that side.


Just send me some salt and pepper if I have to eat
these words!



----- Original Message -----
From:
andrew
ritter
To: snug.bug at hotmail.com ; dimension04 at sbcglobal.net ; Geri Perry
Cc: truth seekers
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 12:12
AM
Subject: RE: [CitizensTruth] "Were They
Drunk?"

The "Prize" is more proof that the propaganda machine is a
global operation. Put him up on a global peace pedestal and people will
ignore his actions. Orwell continues to be right. War = Peace in
today's society. Lets look at some of Barack's peaceful
accomplishments:

- Continue to wage a never-ending war for oil and land
and contracts and resources in Iraq while calling it a 'withdrawal'.
-
Step up the troop level and killing of civilians and "terrorists" in
Afghanistan while taking control of as much of the opium trade as
possible
- Order tons of illegal drone strikes in Pakistan
- Quietly
order and carry out a coup of the leadership in Honduras. Ignore that
the citizens of that country are living in a nightmare scenario of martial
law
- Continue torturing prisoners abroad and suppress photographs
that show abuse and make sure no one involved in torture in the past ever gets
held accountable
- Help your Big pharma buddies to make a killing off the
swine flu while helping to spread the disease further through the already
proven to be dangerous nasal vaccines.
- Make constant threats to Iran
while carrying out military drills that prepare your troops for a possible war
there
- Refuse to meet with the Dali Lama because you don't want to upset
China
- Quietly conduct military operations in Somalia
- Bail out
the rich cause they need it while the unemployment rate goes up and up and
up

I have to disagree about hope. Hope is a paralyzing and
passive emotion. They want you to sit on your but and "hope" while they
continue to steal and murder. My advice is to ditch all of your hope and
instead do something about whatever you are "hoping" on. Because hope is
completely disempowering. You are letting go of your ability to affect
the world in a real and active way and putting all your "hopes" in the hands
of the ruling elite who do not give 2 sticks of butter about you except to the
extent that they can use and abuse you.

Actions speak louder
then words and peace prizes.





From: snug.bug at hotmail.com
To: dimension04 at sbcglobal.net;
geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:52:50 -0700
CC:
citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net
Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] "Were They
Drunk?"




Obama lost me when he voted for the telecom wiretap immunity
bill
after promising that he would filibuster to oppose it. He never
explained
why he voted for it. He was a constitutional scholar and
he understood
the issues, and he was a lawyer who understood that the bill
would stop
the 50 pending lawsuits' discovery process that would have
revealed the
depth and breadth of the wiretap violations.

I
would like to believe that he's a good guy who will at some dramatic
point
whip off his Bush-lite mask and show us who he really is, but I
already
went through that process with Kerry. Through the whole
Ohio recount
process in 2004 I kept telling everybody--"You just watch,
the Democrats
know what they're doing. This is a trap for Bush." I
was
wrong.

From 2006 to 2008 the Dems told us "We must
appease and concentrate
on winning the next election." So now that
it's won, we must keep on
appeasing? On his third day in office Obama
declared his contempt for
international law, the Nuremberg Principles, the
UN, and simple human
decency by ordering drone missile attacks on Pakistan
that killed 14
civilians. He's a war
criminal.











> From:

dimension04 at sbcglobal.net

> To: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com

>

Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:11:47 -0500

> CC:

citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net

> Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] "Were They

Drunk?"

>

>

>

> Good and well-informed points, as

always, Geri.

>

> Re, the "hope" thing. A LITTLE more to it than

that is my surprise that

> given a potential 4-8 years in office,

there's so much conviction, it seems,

> that in less than one year he's

a Failure, or worse. Could all this be

> "premature

speculation"?

>

> I think his rise to power is founded on his

natural abilities -- BUT, I

> understand that like Kucinich, all the

natural abilities in the world can't

> "get you there" if you don't

have the backing of the powers-that-be.

>

> I still wonder

whether They are using Barack -- or given time, it will turn

> out that

he has used Them. That it's been his strategy all along to use

> them

to get to where, well actually -- to where he CAME FROM and bless the

>

world with it -- and that would be his mom's and grandma's life-long

>

grooming to truly love and help humanity.

>

> The ptb, or mom and

gram. Hmmmmm...which will it turn out to be...

>

> ?

>



>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "Geri

Perry" <geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com>

> To: "Connie Smith"

<dimension04 at sbcglobal.net>

> Cc: "Chuck Minne"

<mincam2 at yahoo.com>; <citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net>

>

Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 6:24 PM

> Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth]

"Were They Drunk?"

>

>

> > And there is yet another

perspective . . .

> >

> > This one holds that Obama, like so

many before him, is little more than a

> > puppet.

>

>

> > How else can we explain his meteoric rise from total

obscurity to become-

> > in one giant leap - president of the Unite

States, and tainted no less by

> > the same Rezco scandal that so

heavily damaged the Blago image?

> >

> > We can guess who

pulls the strings, but following the money is a good

> >

start.

> >

> > Amazingly poor timing was evident when Obama

convened his war council for

> > crucial talks on Afghan strategy

within hours after being named Nobel

> > Peace Laureate. This may be

due to the fact that, as Chalmers Johnson

> > posits in Sorrows of

Empire, CentCom pulls the shots on foreign policy,

> > not the pres.

(Or maybe now its NATO?)

> >

> > I'm no fan of Michael Moore

but there is something to be said for those

> > who at least HOPE

the president will do right by the people and not the

> > money

power. Wishful thinking in the face of current facts, but WAY better

>

> than actually "hoping he will fail" as Rush Limbaugh has publicly AND


> > wrongly asserted.

> >

> > Geri P

>

>

> > Connie Smith wrote:

> >> Or...we could consider

another point of view:

> >>

> >> *Get Off Obama's Back

...second thoughts from Michael Moore*

> >>

> >>

Saturday, October 10th, 2009

> >>

> >>

Friends,

> >>

> >> ...I went back and re-read what I

had written. And _I listened for far

> >> too long yesterday to

the right wing hate machine who did what they could

> >> to crap

all over Barack's big day. Did I -- and others on the left -- do

>

>> the same? _

> >>

> >> We are weary, weary of

war. The trillions that will have gone to these

> >> two wars

have helped to bankrupt us as a nation -- financially and

> >>

morally. To think of all the good we could have done with all that money!


> >> Two months of the War in Iraq would pay for all the wells

that need to be

> >> dug in the Third World for drinking water!

Obama is moving too slow for

> >> most of us -- but he needs to

know we are with him and we stand beside

> >> him as he attempts

to turn eight years of sheer madness around. Who could

> >> do

that in nine months? Superman? Thor? Mitch McConnell?

> >>

>

>> Instead of waiting to see what the president is going to do, we all
need

> >> to be pro-active and push the agenda that we want to

see enacted. What

> >> keeps us from forming the same local

groups we put together to get out

> >> the vote last November?

C'mon! We're the majority now -- the majority by

> >> a

significant margin! We call the shots -- and we need to tell this wimpy


> >> Congress to get busy and do what we say -- or else.

>

>>

> >> All I ask of those who voted for Obama is to not

pile on him too quickly.

> >> Yes, make your voice heard (his

phone number is 202-456-1414). But don't

> >> abandon the best

hope we've had in our lifetime for change. And for God's

> >>

sake, don't head to bummerville if he says or does something we don't

>

>> like. Do you ever see Republicans behave that way? I mean, the Right
had

> >> 20 years of Republican presidents and they still

couldn't get prayer in

> >> the public schools, or outlaw

abortion, or initiate a flat tax or put our

> >> Social Security

into the stock market. They did a lot of damage, no doubt

> >>

about that, but on the key issues that the Christian Right fought for,


> >> they came up nearly empty handed. No wonder they've been

driven crazy

> >> lately. They'll never have it as good again as

they've had it since

> >> Reagan took office.

>

>>

> >> But -- do you ever see them looking all gloomy and

defeated? No! They

> >> keep on fighting! Every day. Our side? At

the first sign of wavering, we

> >> just pack up our toys and go

home.

> >>

> >> So, at least for this weekend, let us

celebrate what people elsewhere are

> >> celebrating -- that

America now has a sane and smart man in the White

> >> House, a

man who truly wants a world at peace for his two daughters.

>

>>

> >> Many, for the past couple days (yes, myself

included), have grumbled,

> >> "What has he done to earn this

prize?" How 'bout this:

> >>

> >> The simple fact that

he was elected was reason enough for him to be the

> >> recipient

of this year's Nobel Peace Prize.

> >>

> >> Because on

that day the murderous actions of the Bush/Cheney years were

> >>

totally and thoroughly rebuked. One man -- a man who opposed the War in


> >> Iraq from the beginning -- offered to end the insanity. The

world has

> >> stood by in utter horror for the past eight years

as they watched the

> >> descendants of Washington, Lincoln and

Jefferson light the fuse of our

> >> own self-destruction. We

flipped off the nations on this planet by

> >> abandoning Kyoto

and then proceeded to melt eight more years worth of the

> >>

polar ice caps. We invaded two nations that didn't attack us, failed to


> >> find the real terrorists and, in effect, ignited our own

wave of terror.

> >> People all over the world wondered if we had

gone mad.

> >>

> >> And if all that wasn't enough, the

outgoing Joker presided over the worst

> >> global financial

collapse since the Great Depression.

> >>

> >> So,

yeah, at precisely 11:00pm ET on November 4, 2008, Barack Obama won

>

>> the Nobel Peace Prize. And the 66 million people who voted for him
won

> >> it, too. By the time he took the stage at midnight ET in

the Grant Park

> >> Historic Hippie Battlefield in downtown

Chicago, billions of people

> >> around the globe were already

breathing a huge sigh of relief. It was as

> >> if, in that

instant, one man did bring the promise of peace to the

> >> world

-- and most were ready to go wherever he wanted to go to achieve

>

>> that end. Never before had the election of one man made every other


> >> nation feel like they had won, too. When you've got billions

of people

> >> ready, willing and able to join a cause like this,

well, a prize in Oslo

> >> is the least that you deserve.

>

>>

> >> One other thought. The Peace Prize historically has

been given to those

> >> who have worked to throw off the yoke of

racial discrimination and

> >> segregation (Martin Luther King,

Jr., Desmond Tutu). I think the Nobel

> >> committee, in awarding

Obama the prize, was also rewarding the fact that

> >> something

profound had happened in a nation that was founded on racial

> >>

genocide, built on racist slavery, and held back for a hundred-plus years


> >> by vestiges of hateful bigotry (which can still be found on

display at

> >> teabagger rallies and daily talk radio). The fact

that this one man could

> >> cause this seismic historical event

to occur -- and to do so with such

> >> grace and humility, never

succumbing to the bait, but still not backing

> >> down (yes, he

asked to be sworn in as "Barack Hussein Obama"!) -- is more

> >>

than reason enough he should be in Oslo to meet the King on December 10.


> >> Maybe he could take us along with him. 'Cause I also suspect

the Nobel

> >> committee was tipping its hat to all of us -- we,

the American people,

> >> had conquered some of our racism and

did the truly unexpected. After

> >> seeing searing images of our

black fellow citizens left to drown in New

> >> Orleans -- and

poor whites seeing their own treated no better than the

> >>

black man they had been raised to hate -- we had all seen enough. It was


> >> time for change.

> >>

> >> Thank

you, Barack Obama, for giving us the opportunity to redeem

> >>

ourselves. Now for the tasks ahead. We need you to do all that you

>

>> promised to do. We need it. The world needs it.

>

>>

> >> My prediction for the future? You become the first

*two-time* winner of

> >> the Nobel Peace Prize! Yeah!

>

>>

> >> Fred (that's Norwegian for "Peace"),

>

>> Michael Moore

> >> MMFlint at aol.com

> >>

MichaelMoore.com

> >>

> >>

> >> Join

Mike's Mailing List | Join Mike's Facebook Group | Follow Mike on

>

>> Twitter | Become Mike's MySpace Friend

> >>

>

>> ----- Original Message -----

> >> *From:* Chuck Minne

<mailto:mincam2 at yahoo.com>

> >> *To:*

citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net

> >>

<mailto:citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net>

> >> *Sent:* Sunday,

October 11, 2009 6:47 PM

> >> *Subject:* [CitizensTruth] "Were

They Drunk?"

> >>

> >>

> >> Foreign

Newspapers on Obama’s Nobel Prize Victory

> >>

> >>

October 10th, 2009 | By: Michael van der Galien

> >>

<http://www.poligazette.com/author/michael-van-der-galien/>

>

>> Tags: Barack Obama
<http://www.poligazette.com/tag/barack-obama/>,

> >> News

<http://www.poligazette.com/tag/news/>, Nobel Peace Prize

>

>> <http://www.poligazette.com/tag/nobel-peace-prize/>,
PoliGazette

> >>

<http://www.poligazette.com/tag/poligazette/>, Politics

> >>

<http://www.poligazette.com/tag/politics/>

> >> Leave a

comment

> >>

> >>

<http://www.poligazette.com/2009/10/10/foreign-newspapers-on-obamas-nobel-prize-victory/#respond>

>

>> | Trackback

> >>

> >>

<http://www.poligazette.com/2009/10/10/foreign-newspapers-on-obamas-nobel-prize-victory/trackback/>

>

>>

> >> obama nobel peace prize

> >> The

left-wing NRC Handelsblad

> >>

<http://weblogs.nrc.nl/commentaar/2009/10/09/bedwelmd-door-hoop/>

>

>> (Netherlands): ”What got into the committee to award this prize
to

> >> a man who has yet to live up to the high expectations?

*Were they

> >> drunk?”*

> >> Center-left to center

Volkskrant

> >>

<http://extra.volkskrant.nl/opinie/commentaar>

> >>

(Netherlands): ”It’s clear that Obama has increasingly more

> >>

difficulty meeting expectations. His inspiring words about peace

>

>> and deproliferation have yet to be supported by any concrete

>

>> results. What is meant to be a reward [for great
achievements],

> >> could very well end up being tremendous burden

for Obama.”

> >> The right-of-center Telegraaf

> >>



> >>

<http://telegraaf-i.telegraaf.nl/daily/2009/10/10/TE/TE_2S_20091010_3/articles/artikel_TE_2S_20091010_3_172.php>

>

>> (Netherlands): “This isn’t the first mistake of the Committee,
but

> >> it is the biggest. The value of the Nobel Peace Prize has

been

> >> diminished.”

> >> Benedict Brogan, writing

for the British newspaper the Telegraph

> >>

> >>

<http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/benedictbrogan/100013071/nobel-prize-for-president-obama-is-a-shocker-he-should-turn-it-down/>:

>

>> “To reward him for a blank results sheet, to inflate him when
he

> >> has no achievements to his name, makes a mockery of what,

let’s

> >> face it, is an already fairly discredited process

(remember

> >> Rigoberta Menchu in 1992? Ha!). That’s not the

point. What this

> >> does is accelerate the elevation of

President Obama to a comedy

> >> confection, which he does not

deserve, and gives his critics yet

> >> another bat to whack him

with. Shame on the Swedes Norwegians*. He

> >> should turn it

down, even if he does look great in white tie and

> >>

tails.”

> >> The Times of London

> >>

>

>>
<http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6867711.ece>:

>

>> “Rarely has an award had such an obvious political and
partisan

> >> intent. It was clearly seen by the Norwegian Nobel

committee as a

> >> way of expressing European gratitude for an

end to the Bush

> >> Administration, approval for the election of

America’s first black

> >> president and hope that Washington will

honour its promise to

> >> re-engage with the world.

>

>> “Instead, the prize risks looking preposterous in its claims,

>

>> patronising in its intentions and demeaning in its attempt to

>

>> build up a man who has barely begun his period in office, let

>

>> alone achieved any tangible outcome for peace.”

> >>

Left-wing rag the Guardian

> >>

> >>

<http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/09/barack-obama-nobel-prize-why>:

>

>> “Indeed, the reasoning behind the awarding of the prize to

>

>> previous American presidents has been easier to discern.
Teddy

> >> Roosevelt opened the court of arbitration in the Hague

and helped

> >> mediate a peace treaty between Russia and Japan;

Woodrow Wilson

> >> was the founder of the League of Nations.

Jimmy Carter won his

> >> prize for his “untiring efforts to find

peaceful solutions to

> >> international conflicts”.

>

>> “Which is what makes the awarding of this year’s prize to a

>

>> president who has been in office for a mere nine months an
odd

> >> departure. It is as if the prize committee had been

persuaded to

> >> give the award on the future delivery of

promises.”

> >> The Sydney Morning Herald

> >>



> >>

<http://www.smh.com.au/world/they-think-he-can-obama-wins-nobel-peace-prize-20091009-gqwu.html>:

>

>> “YES, surprisingly, he could. Barack Obama, is the shock
choice

> >> for the Nobel Peace Prize, less than a year after his

election as

> >> U.S. President.”

> >> Il

Giornale

> >>

> >>

<http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/09/international-media-reactions-obama-peace-prize/>

>

>> (Italy): “Let me be clear: the discourse on Islam in Cairo
was

> >> beautiful, tall, and it opens up new horizons, but did

not lead to

> >> anything. And on the other matter, as pointed out

repeatedly in

> >> this blog, Obama has been evasive or

inconclusive, starting with

> >> Iran and Afghanistan. Nor can he

boast the merits of rapprochement

> >> with North Korea, which was

brought about by Bill Clinton. He kept

> >> only one real promise:

the gradual withdrawal from Iraq. Enough to

> >> deserve the Nobel

Prize?”

> >> Center-left the Spiegel

> >>

<http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,654251,00.html>

>

>> (Germany): “The Nobel Peace Prize has come too early for
Barack

> >> Obama. The US president cannot point to any real

diplomatic

> >> successes to date and there are few prospects of

any to come.”

> >> National Post

> >>

>

>>
<http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/10/09/jonathan-kay-giving-barack-obama-the-nobel-peace-prize-is-ridiculous.aspx>

>

>> (Canada): “Obama is being given his award for mere words —
for

> >> striking fashionable poses in favour of multilateralism,

for

> >> making a nice speech in Cairo, for offering “hope.”

Months after

> >> Americans learned to dismiss Obama’s 2008

presidential campaign

> >> slogans as the meaningless bromides

they were, Scandinavians are

> >> still drinking his

Kool-aid.”

> >>

> >> "*_most of those bankrupted by

medical problems had health

> >> insurance"_*

> >>

*_"Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to

> >>

college."_*

> >> *_"Often illness led to job loss, and with it the

loss of health

> >> insurance."_*

> >> *Medical

problems contributed to nearly two-thirds (62.1 percent)

> >> of

all bankruptcies in 2007*, according to a study in the August

> >>

issue of the American Journal of Medicine that was published today

>

>> online. The data were collected prior to the current economic

>

>> downturn and hence likely understate the current burden of

>

>> financial suffering. Between 2001 and 2007, the proportion of
all

> >> bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by

49.6

> >> percent. The authors’ previous 2001 findings have been

widely

> >> cited by policy leaders, including President

Obama.

> >> *_Surprisingly, most of those bankrupted by medical

problems had

> >> health insurance. More than three-quarters (77.9

percent) were

> >> insured at the start of the bankrupting

illness,_* including 60.3

> >> percent who had private coverage.

Most of the medically bankrupt

> >> were solidly middle class

before financial disaster hit.

> >> *_Two-thirds were homeowners

and three-fifths had gone to

> >> college._* In many cases, high

medical bills coincided with a loss

> >> of income as illness

forced breadwinners to lose time from work.

> >> *_Often illness

led to job loss, and with it the loss of health

> >>

insurance._*

> >> From:

> >>

> >>

http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/content/more-medical-bankruptcy-have-insurance-go-bankrupt

>

>>

> >>

> >> "*_most of those bankrupted by

medical problems had health

> >> insurance"_*

> >>

*_"Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to

> >>

college."_*

> >> *_"Often illness led to job loss, and with it the

loss of health

> >> insurance."_*

> >> *Medical

problems contributed to nearly two-thirds (62.1 percent)

> >> of

all bankruptcies in 2007*, according to a study in the August

> >>

issue of the American Journal of Medicine that was published today

>

>> online. The data were collected prior to the current economic

>

>> downturn and hence likely understate the current burden of

>

>> financial suffering. Between 2001 and 2007, the proportion of
all

> >> bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by

49.6

> >> percent. The authors’ previous 2001 findings have been

widely

> >> cited by policy leaders, including President

Obama.

> >> *_Surprisingly, most of those bankrupted by medical

problems had

> >> health insurance. More than three-quarters (77.9

percent) were

> >> insured at the start of the bankrupting

illness,_* including 60.3

> >> percent who had private coverage.

Most of the medically bankrupt

> >> were solidly middle class

before financial disaster hit.

> >> *_Two-thirds were homeowners

and three-fifths had gone to

> >> college._* In many cases, high

medical bills coincided with a loss

> >> of income as illness

forced breadwinners to lose time from work.

> >> *_Often illness

led to job loss, and with it the loss of health

> >>

insurance._*

> >> From:

> >>

> >>

http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/content/more-medical-bankruptcy-have-insurance-go-bankrupt

>

>>

> >>

> >>

> >>

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