[CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?"

[Geri Perry]

Andrew,

EXCELLENT points made about hope - as usual.

However, I find hope to be my saving grace - without it I personally 
might be tempted to either jump off a cliff , drown myself in toxic 
drugs and alcohol, or camp out in front of my TV till I died a more or 
less natural death.

g

andrew ritter wrote:

> The "Prize" is more proof that the propaganda machine is a global 

> operation.  Put him up on a global peace pedestal and people will 

> ignore his actions.  Orwell continues to be right.  War = Peace in 

> today's society.  Lets look at some of Barack's peaceful accomplishments:

>

> - Continue to wage a never-ending war for oil and land and contracts 

> and resources in Iraq while calling it a 'withdrawal'.

> - Step up the troop level and killing of civilians and "terrorists" in 

> Afghanistan while taking control of as much of the opium trade as possible

> - Order tons of illegal drone strikes in Pakistan

> - Quietly order and carry out a coup of the leadership in Honduras.  

> Ignore that the citizens of that country are living in a nightmare 

> scenario of martial law 

> - Continue torturing prisoners abroad and suppress photographs that 

> show abuse and make sure no one involved in torture in the past ever 

> gets held accountable

> - Help your Big pharma buddies to make a killing off the swine flu 

> while helping to spread the disease further through the already proven 

> to be dangerous nasal vaccines.

> - Make constant threats to Iran while carrying out military drills 

> that prepare your troops for a possible war there

> - Refuse to meet with the Dali Lama because you don't want to upset China

> -  Quietly conduct military operations in Somalia

> - Bail out the rich cause they need it while the unemployment rate 

> goes up and up and up

>

> I have to disagree about hope.  Hope is a paralyzing and passive 

> emotion.  They want you to sit on your but and "hope" while they 

> continue to steal and murder.  My advice is to ditch all of your hope 

> and instead do something about whatever you are "hoping" on.  Because 

> hope is completely disempowering.  You are letting go of your ability 

> to affect the world in a real and active way and putting all your 

> "hopes" in the hands of the ruling elite who do not give 2 sticks of 

> butter about you except to the extent that they can use and abuse you. 

>

> Actions speak louder then words and peace prizes.

>

>

>  

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> From: snug.bug at hotmail.com

> To: dimension04 at sbcglobal.net; geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com

> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:52:50 -0700

> CC: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net

> Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?"

>

>

>    Obama lost me when he voted for the telecom wiretap immunity bill

> after promising that he would filibuster to oppose it.  He never 

> explained

> why he voted for it.  He was a constitutional scholar and he understood

> the issues, and he was a lawyer who understood that the bill would stop

> the 50 pending lawsuits' discovery process that would have revealed the

> depth and breadth of the wiretap violations.

>

>   I would like to believe that he's a good guy who will at some dramatic

> point whip off his Bush-lite mask and show us who he really is, but I

> already went through that process with Kerry.  Through the whole

> Ohio recount process in 2004 I kept telling everybody--"You just watch,

> the Democrats know what they're doing.  This is a trap for Bush."  I was

> wrong.

>

>   From 2006 to 2008 the Dems told us "We must appease and concentrate

> on winning the next election."  So now that it's won, we must keep on

> appeasing?  On his third day in office Obama declared his contempt for

> international law, the Nuremberg Principles, the UN, and simple human

> decency by ordering drone missile attacks on Pakistan that killed 14

> civilians.  He's a war criminal.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>  

>

>

> > From: dimension04 at sbcglobal.net

> > To: geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com

> > Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:11:47 -0500

> > CC: citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net

> > Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?"

> >

> >

> >

> > Good and well-informed points, as always, Geri.

> >

> > Re, the "hope" thing. A LITTLE more to it than that is my surprise that

> > given a potential 4-8 years in office, there's so much conviction, 

> it seems,

> > that in less than one year he's a Failure, or worse. Could all this be

> > "premature speculation"?

> >

> > I think his rise to power is founded on his natural abilities -- BUT, I

> > understand that like Kucinich, all the natural abilities in the 

> world can't

> > "get you there" if you don't have the backing of the powers-that-be.

> >

> > I still wonder whether They are using Barack -- or given time, it 

> will turn

> > out that he has used Them. That it's been his strategy all along to use

> > them to get to where, well actually -- to where he CAME FROM and 

> bless the

> > world with it -- and that would be his mom's and grandma's life-long

> > grooming to truly love and help humanity.

> >

> > The ptb, or mom and gram. Hmmmmm...which will it turn out to be...

> >

> > ?

> >

> >

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: "Geri Perry" <geri at thetwofacesofmoney.com>

> > To: "Connie Smith" <dimension04 at sbcglobal.net>

> > Cc: "Chuck Minne" <mincam2 at yahoo.com>; <citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net>

> > Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 6:24 PM

> > Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?"

> >

> >

> > > And there is yet another perspective . . .

> > >

> > > This one holds that Obama, like so many before him, is little more 

> than a

> > > puppet.

> > >

> > > How else can we explain his meteoric rise from total obscurity to 

> become-

> > > in one giant leap - president of the Unite States, and tainted no 

> less by

> > > the same Rezco scandal that so heavily damaged the Blago image?

> > >

> > > We can guess who pulls the strings, but following the money is a good

> > > start.

> > >

> > > Amazingly poor timing was evident when Obama convened his war 

> council for

> > > crucial talks on Afghan strategy within hours after being named Nobel

> > > Peace Laureate. This may be due to the fact that, as Chalmers Johnson

> > > posits in Sorrows of Empire, CentCom pulls the shots on foreign 

> policy,

> > > not the pres. (Or maybe now its NATO?)

> > >

> > > I'm no fan of Michael Moore but there is something to be said for 

> those

> > > who at least HOPE the president will do right by the people and 

> not the

> > > money power. Wishful thinking in the face of current facts, but 

> WAY better

> > > than actually "hoping he will fail" as Rush Limbaugh has publicly AND

> > > wrongly asserted.

> > >

> > > Geri P

> > >

> > > Connie Smith wrote:

> > >> Or...we could consider another point of view:

> > >>

> > >> *Get Off Obama's Back ...second thoughts from Michael Moore*

> > >>

> > >> Saturday, October 10th, 2009

> > >>

> > >> Friends,

> > >>

> > >> ...I went back and re-read what I had written. And _I listened 

> for far

> > >> too long yesterday to the right wing hate machine who did what 

> they could

> > >> to crap all over Barack's big day. Did I -- and others on the 

> left -- do

> > >> the same? _

> > >>

> > >> We are weary, weary of war. The trillions that will have gone to 

> these

> > >> two wars have helped to bankrupt us as a nation -- financially and

> > >> morally. To think of all the good we could have done with all 

> that money!

> > >> Two months of the War in Iraq would pay for all the wells that 

> need to be

> > >> dug in the Third World for drinking water! Obama is moving too 

> slow for

> > >> most of us -- but he needs to know we are with him and we stand 

> beside

> > >> him as he attempts to turn eight years of sheer madness around. 

> Who could

> > >> do that in nine months? Superman? Thor? Mitch McConnell?

> > >>

> > >> Instead of waiting to see what the president is going to do, we 

> all need

> > >> to be pro-active and push the agenda that we want to see enacted. 

> What

> > >> keeps us from forming the same local groups we put together to 

> get out

> > >> the vote last November? C'mon! We're the majority now -- the 

> majority by

> > >> a significant margin! We call the shots -- and we need to tell 

> this wimpy

> > >> Congress to get busy and do what we say -- or else.

> > >>

> > >> All I ask of those who voted for Obama is to not pile on him too 

> quickly.

> > >> Yes, make your voice heard (his phone number is 202-456-1414). 

> But don't

> > >> abandon the best hope we've had in our lifetime for change. And 

> for God's

> > >> sake, don't head to bummerville if he says or does something we 

> don't

> > >> like. Do you ever see Republicans behave that way? I mean, the 

> Right had

> > >> 20 years of Republican presidents and they still couldn't get 

> prayer in

> > >> the public schools, or outlaw abortion, or initiate a flat tax or 

> put our

> > >> Social Security into the stock market. They did a lot of damage, 

> no doubt

> > >> about that, but on the key issues that the Christian Right fought 

> for,

> > >> they came up nearly empty handed. No wonder they've been driven 

> crazy

> > >> lately. They'll never have it as good again as they've had it since

> > >> Reagan took office.

> > >>

> > >> But -- do you ever see them looking all gloomy and defeated? No! 

> They

> > >> keep on fighting! Every day. Our side? At the first sign of 

> wavering, we

> > >> just pack up our toys and go home.

> > >>

> > >> So, at least for this weekend, let us celebrate what people 

> elsewhere are

> > >> celebrating -- that America now has a sane and smart man in the 

> White

> > >> House, a man who truly wants a world at peace for his two daughters.

> > >>

> > >> Many, for the past couple days (yes, myself included), have 

> grumbled,

> > >> "What has he done to earn this prize?" How 'bout this:

> > >>

> > >> The simple fact that he was elected was reason enough for him to 

> be the

> > >> recipient of this year's Nobel Peace Prize.

> > >>

> > >> Because on that day the murderous actions of the Bush/Cheney 

> years were

> > >> totally and thoroughly rebuked. One man -- a man who opposed the 

> War in

> > >> Iraq from the beginning -- offered to end the insanity. The world 

> has

> > >> stood by in utter horror for the past eight years as they watched 

> the

> > >> descendants of Washington, Lincoln and Jefferson light the fuse 

> of our

> > >> own self-destruction. We flipped off the nations on this planet by

> > >> abandoning Kyoto and then proceeded to melt eight more years 

> worth of the

> > >> polar ice caps. We invaded two nations that didn't attack us, 

> failed to

> > >> find the real terrorists and, in effect, ignited our own wave of 

> terror.

> > >> People all over the world wondered if we had gone mad.

> > >>

> > >> And if all that wasn't enough, the outgoing Joker presided over 

> the worst

> > >> global financial collapse since the Great Depression.

> > >>

> > >> So, yeah, at precisely 11:00pm ET on November 4, 2008, Barack 

> Obama won

> > >> the Nobel Peace Prize. And the 66 million people who voted for 

> him won

> > >> it, too. By the time he took the stage at midnight ET in the 

> Grant Park

> > >> Historic Hippie Battlefield in downtown Chicago, billions of people

> > >> around the globe were already breathing a huge sigh of relief. It 

> was as

> > >> if, in that instant, one man did bring the promise of peace to the

> > >> world -- and most were ready to go wherever he wanted to go to 

> achieve

> > >> that end. Never before had the election of one man made every other

> > >> nation feel like they had won, too. When you've got billions of 

> people

> > >> ready, willing and able to join a cause like this, well, a prize 

> in Oslo

> > >> is the least that you deserve.

> > >>

> > >> One other thought. The Peace Prize historically has been given to 

> those

> > >> who have worked to throw off the yoke of racial discrimination and

> > >> segregation (Martin Luther King, Jr., Desmond Tutu). I think the 

> Nobel

> > >> committee, in awarding Obama the prize, was also rewarding the 

> fact that

> > >> something profound had happened in a nation that was founded on 

> racial

> > >> genocide, built on racist slavery, and held back for a 

> hundred-plus years

> > >> by vestiges of hateful bigotry (which can still be found on 

> display at

> > >> teabagger rallies and daily talk radio). The fact that this one 

> man could

> > >> cause this seismic historical event to occur -- and to do so with 

> such

> > >> grace and humility, never succumbing to the bait, but still not 

> backing

> > >> down (yes, he asked to be sworn in as "Barack Hussein Obama"!) -- 

> is more

> > >> than reason enough he should be in Oslo to meet the King on 

> December 10.

> > >> Maybe he could take us along with him. 'Cause I also suspect the 

> Nobel

> > >> committee was tipping its hat to all of us -- we, the American 

> people,

> > >> had conquered some of our racism and did the truly unexpected. After

> > >> seeing searing images of our black fellow citizens left to drown 

> in New

> > >> Orleans -- and poor whites seeing their own treated no better 

> than the

> > >> black man they had been raised to hate -- we had all seen enough. 

> It was

> > >> time for change.

> > >>

> > >> Thank you, Barack Obama, for giving us the opportunity to redeem

> > >> ourselves. Now for the tasks ahead. We need you to do all that you

> > >> promised to do. We need it. The world needs it.

> > >>

> > >> My prediction for the future? You become the first *two-time* 

> winner of

> > >> the Nobel Peace Prize! Yeah!

> > >>

> > >> Fred (that's Norwegian for "Peace"),

> > >> Michael Moore

> > >> MMFlint at aol.com

> > >> MichaelMoore.com

> > >>

> > >>

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> > >>

> > >> ----- Original Message -----

> > >> *From:* Chuck Minne <mailto:mincam2 at yahoo.com>

> > >> *To:* citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net

> > >> <mailto:citizenstruth at six.pairlist.net>

> > >> *Sent:* Sunday, October 11, 2009 6:47 PM

> > >> *Subject:* [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?"

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> Foreign Newspapers on Obama’s Nobel Prize Victory

> > >>

> > >> October 10th, 2009 | By: Michael van der Galien

> > >> <http://www.poligazette.com/author/michael-van-der-galien/>

> > >> Tags: Barack Obama <http://www.poligazette.com/tag/barack-obama/>,

> > >> News <http://www.poligazette.com/tag/news/>, Nobel Peace Prize

> > >> <http://www.poligazette.com/tag/nobel-peace-prize/>, PoliGazette

> > >> <http://www.poligazette.com/tag/poligazette/>, Politics

> > >> <http://www.poligazette.com/tag/politics/>

> > >> Leave a comment

> > >>

> > >> 

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> > >>

> > >> obama nobel peace prize

> > >> The left-wing NRC Handelsblad

> > >> <http://weblogs.nrc.nl/commentaar/2009/10/09/bedwelmd-door-hoop/>

> > >> (Netherlands): ”What got into the committee to award this prize to

> > >> a man who has yet to live up to the high expectations? *Were they

> > >> drunk?”*

> > >> Center-left to center Volkskrant

> > >> <http://extra.volkskrant.nl/opinie/commentaar>

> > >> (Netherlands): ”It’s clear that Obama has increasingly more

> > >> difficulty meeting expectations. His inspiring words about peace

> > >> and deproliferation have yet to be supported by any concrete

> > >> results. What is meant to be a reward [for great achievements],

> > >> could very well end up being tremendous burden for Obama.”

> > >> The right-of-center Telegraaf

> > >>

> > >> 

> <http://telegraaf-i.telegraaf.nl/daily/2009/10/10/TE/TE_2S_20091010_3/articles/artikel_TE_2S_20091010_3_172.php>

> > >> (Netherlands): “This isn’t the first mistake of the Committee, but

> > >> it is the biggest. The value of the Nobel Peace Prize has been

> > >> diminished.”

> > >> Benedict Brogan, writing for the British newspaper the Telegraph

> > >>

> > >> 

> <http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/benedictbrogan/100013071/nobel-prize-for-president-obama-is-a-shocker-he-should-turn-it-down/>:

> > >> “To reward him for a blank results sheet, to inflate him when he

> > >> has no achievements to his name, makes a mockery of what, let’s

> > >> face it, is an already fairly discredited process (remember

> > >> Rigoberta Menchu in 1992? Ha!). That’s not the point. What this

> > >> does is accelerate the elevation of President Obama to a comedy

> > >> confection, which he does not deserve, and gives his critics yet

> > >> another bat to whack him with. Shame on the Swedes Norwegians*. He

> > >> should turn it down, even if he does look great in white tie and

> > >> tails.”

> > >> The Times of London

> > >>

> > >> 

> <http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6867711.ece>:

> > >> “Rarely has an award had such an obvious political and partisan

> > >> intent. It was clearly seen by the Norwegian Nobel committee as a

> > >> way of expressing European gratitude for an end to the Bush

> > >> Administration, approval for the election of America’s first black

> > >> president and hope that Washington will honour its promise to

> > >> re-engage with the world.

> > >> “Instead, the prize risks looking preposterous in its claims,

> > >> patronising in its intentions and demeaning in its attempt to

> > >> build up a man who has barely begun his period in office, let

> > >> alone achieved any tangible outcome for peace.”

> > >> Left-wing rag the Guardian

> > >>

> > >> 

> <http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/09/barack-obama-nobel-prize-why>:

> > >> “Indeed, the reasoning behind the awarding of the prize to

> > >> previous American presidents has been easier to discern. Teddy

> > >> Roosevelt opened the court of arbitration in the Hague and helped

> > >> mediate a peace treaty between Russia and Japan; Woodrow Wilson

> > >> was the founder of the League of Nations. Jimmy Carter won his

> > >> prize for his “untiring efforts to find peaceful solutions to

> > >> international conflicts”.

> > >> “Which is what makes the awarding of this year’s prize to a

> > >> president who has been in office for a mere nine months an odd

> > >> departure. It is as if the prize committee had been persuaded to

> > >> give the award on the future delivery of promises.”

> > >> The Sydney Morning Herald

> > >>

> > >> 

> <http://www.smh.com.au/world/they-think-he-can-obama-wins-nobel-peace-prize-20091009-gqwu.html>:

> > >> “YES, surprisingly, he could. Barack Obama, is the shock choice

> > >> for the Nobel Peace Prize, less than a year after his election as

> > >> U.S. President.”

> > >> Il Giornale

> > >>

> > >> 

> <http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/09/international-media-reactions-obama-peace-prize/>

> > >> (Italy): “Let me be clear: the discourse on Islam in Cairo was

> > >> beautiful, tall, and it opens up new horizons, but did not lead to

> > >> anything. And on the other matter, as pointed out repeatedly in

> > >> this blog, Obama has been evasive or inconclusive, starting with

> > >> Iran and Afghanistan. Nor can he boast the merits of rapprochement

> > >> with North Korea, which was brought about by Bill Clinton. He kept

> > >> only one real promise: the gradual withdrawal from Iraq. Enough to

> > >> deserve the Nobel Prize?”

> > >> Center-left the Spiegel

> > >> <http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,654251,00.html>

> > >> (Germany): “The Nobel Peace Prize has come too early for Barack

> > >> Obama. The US president cannot point to any real diplomatic

> > >> successes to date and there are few prospects of any to come.”

> > >> National Post

> > >>

> > >> 

> <http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/10/09/jonathan-kay-giving-barack-obama-the-nobel-peace-prize-is-ridiculous.aspx>

> > >> (Canada): “Obama is being given his award for mere words — for

> > >> striking fashionable poses in favour of multilateralism, for

> > >> making a nice speech in Cairo, for offering “hope.” Months after

> > >> Americans learned to dismiss Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign

> > >> slogans as the meaningless bromides they were, Scandinavians are

> > >> still drinking his Kool-aid.”

> > >>

> > >> "*_most of those bankrupted by medical problems had health

> > >> insurance"_*

> > >> *_"Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to

> > >> college."_*

> > >> *_"Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health

> > >> insurance."_*

> > >> *Medical problems contributed to nearly two-thirds (62.1 percent)

> > >> of all bankruptcies in 2007*, according to a study in the August

> > >> issue of the American Journal of Medicine that was published today

> > >> online. The data were collected prior to the current economic

> > >> downturn and hence likely understate the current burden of

> > >> financial suffering. Between 2001 and 2007, the proportion of all

> > >> bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6

> > >> percent. The authors’ previous 2001 findings have been widely

> > >> cited by policy leaders, including President Obama.

> > >> *_Surprisingly, most of those bankrupted by medical problems had

> > >> health insurance. More than three-quarters (77.9 percent) were

> > >> insured at the start of the bankrupting illness,_* including 60.3

> > >> percent who had private coverage. Most of the medically bankrupt

> > >> were solidly middle class before financial disaster hit.

> > >> *_Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to

> > >> college._* In many cases, high medical bills coincided with a loss

> > >> of income as illness forced breadwinners to lose time from work.

> > >> *_Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health

> > >> insurance._*

> > >> From:

> > >>

> > >> 

> http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/content/more-medical-bankruptcy-have-insurance-go-bankrupt

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> "*_most of those bankrupted by medical problems had health

> > >> insurance"_*

> > >> *_"Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to

> > >> college."_*

> > >> *_"Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health

> > >> insurance."_*

> > >> *Medical problems contributed to nearly two-thirds (62.1 percent)

> > >> of all bankruptcies in 2007*, according to a study in the August

> > >> issue of the American Journal of Medicine that was published today

> > >> online. The data were collected prior to the current economic

> > >> downturn and hence likely understate the current burden of

> > >> financial suffering. Between 2001 and 2007, the proportion of all

> > >> bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6

> > >> percent. The authors’ previous 2001 findings have been widely

> > >> cited by policy leaders, including President Obama.

> > >> *_Surprisingly, most of those bankrupted by medical problems had

> > >> health insurance. More than three-quarters (77.9 percent) were

> > >> insured at the start of the bankrupting illness,_* including 60.3

> > >> percent who had private coverage. Most of the medically bankrupt

> > >> were solidly middle class before financial disaster hit.

> > >> *_Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to

> > >> college._* In many cases, high medical bills coincided with a loss

> > >> of income as illness forced breadwinners to lose time from work.

> > >> *_Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health

> > >> insurance._*

> > >> From:

> > >>

> > >> 

> http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/content/more-medical-bankruptcy-have-insurance-go-bankrupt

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> 

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