<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Might I also suggest you invest in a small colloidal silver generator. Anyone wanting one within this group, I can get you a wholesale one for about $65 or so, unless the cost went up a bit. Look this up. Multiple uses for this; could easily save a life. Adrenal support also important. B12 sublingual. What do you all think about my coming up with a list that Hal could post? With interest, I'd be willing to put in the time. think I already have a list somewhere that I could find...<div>thanks for this info, Janice...</div><div><br><div><div>On Apr 21, 2008, at 7:29 PM, Janice Matthews wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"> <div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000066"> Hello, Chicago comrades,<br> <br> I have begun this process last Fall. Have 14 hen chicks (pullets) about ready to head outside to the coop I'm building now, to provide eggs. Next is to build the shelter for my milk goats. Working to get the garden in now... It takes a lot of planning and patience (and work) but seems quite necessary now. I tell you this as hopefully an encouragement... <br> <br> Second, Kansas City has a growing Food Circle. You might check to see what's happening in/around Chi for that. Look for sustainability and/or permaculture groups in the area, who then link to other groups. In KC, farmers from a circle around KC participate in the markets, but also offer an opportunity for people to sign up for the produce before it becomes available, so the farmers have an idea of where it will be going when it's ready. Also, as you said, no one (hardly) grows everything, so some of these people trade with each other, as well. <br> Example: Lawrence, where I'm near now, has the Lawrence Sustainability Network. It's a clearinghouse of people working on various things... sustainable energy, (fighing new coal plants in KS now), learning to get off the grid via alternative energy, food, healthcare/herbs, etc. <br> <br> I hope you'll find that there's already a network happening near you, to which you can just plug in, rather than having to invent the whole dang wheel :) I've found that these are generally incredibly kind and generous people for the most part, too--after all they're building community, and we need various people doing various things in order to complete a community. <br> <br> Just to end... I feel less hopeless, less depressed, less despondent because of these linkages. I still see what's happening, I still suffer information overload, but I feel a tiny bit less vulnerable... <br> <br> Just a reminder--Please don't put off stocking up on herbal/homeopathic remedies now (LDM-100, especially), while they're available, no matter what you do for food. Knowing I can treat the kids for virus/bacteria/fungus is a huge relief, and I can just sort of check it off the list now. At least that's one thing, eh?!!<br> <br> Love to you all,<br> Janice<br> Jefferson County, Kansas--<br> Home of a BAZILLION honeybees, by the way ... be encouraged :)<br> <br> Daniel Stafford wrote: <blockquote cite="mid:480D1EE6.4050507@mailbag.com" type="cite"> I don't know how to get family members to listen - I have the same issue - they just see the downside and want to continue "as-is" so far.<br> <br> I'm thinking it might not be a bad idea to start with those of us who live in proximity and are awake to this. We could all start doing our gardening, and organize canning parties this fall in our local areas. Setting up something like an online social network specifically for urban agriculture might be a place to start, other than in your garden. After all, we all love company while we're working - and who knows how many of your neighbors might be wondering what they can do about it all. Also, if we all grow tomatoes and corn, where will we get onions, garlic, or carrots? Some coordination among urban growers on the local level is a great idea.<br> <br> By the way, here is an excellent article on how to put a no-till organic garden in any yard: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.motherearthnews.com/Organic-Gardening/2008-04-01/Easy-Garden-Anyone-Can-Make.aspx">http://www.motherearthnews.com/Organic-Gardening/2008-04-01/Easy-Garden-Anyone-Can-Make.aspx</a><br> <br> When the food crisis really starts hitting, there's going to be a whole different attitude. That usually wakes people up really fast - the problem is, we are within about three-four weeks of planting season. It is pretty late to start seedlings for this year - so if you are going to take on a little urban agriculture of your own, choose varieties that mature rapidly. Seed savers and other seed sources will usually tell you how long a particular veggie variety takes to produce. <br> <br> On the home front, we need to approach our local municipalities on using eminent domain as a weapon against foreclosure. That won't be enough by itself, though. Those municipalities do have to pay for what they sieze, even if it's not market rate. They also lose property tax revenues on any such properties unless they can turn around ownership quickly. <br> <br> Maybe organizing non-profit "housing co-ops" that buy out mortgages and sell them back to homeowners at close to zero interest might be another approach to work with. Think about it - high-interest mortgages really cost many thousands of dollars over the long term than their initial loan amount. If people start pitching in to a co-op at $25.00 a month, then get in line to have their mortgage bought out by the co-op, a lot of capital that would have gone to pay interest will be conserved in the local communities. The co-op then sells the house back to the homeowner over time, but without the added interest costs raising their payment. Add this up over hundreds or thousands of houses, and the amount of money not sent to big corporations in interest gets truly immense - and makes it easier for communities to afford other things.<br> <br> Such cooperatives could also have rules about urban/suburban organic gardening - say, in favor thereof...you join, you agree to produce food using organic means.<br> <br> Approaching municipal governments about city, town, or village-wide composting programs can also help. Many municipalities that do this provide free organic fertilizer - compost - back to their residents at little or no cost while reducing their landfill use by about thirty percent. <br> <br> Organize classes in your area on gardening, canning, and composting - share seeds and knowledge. Get people working together. Target classes to specific neighborhoods, so that you're teaching the same neighbors at the same time - making it easy for them to garden together cooperatively. <br> <br> Also, make your garden as attractive as possible, so you avoid those "going hillbilly?" looks and grumbles from suburbanites with a well-developed sense of aesthetics.<br> <br> The bottom line, we just need to start taking whatever positive action we can. E-mail lists need to become better than gripe sessions - they need to become the inspiration for beneficial, peaceful grass roots action.<br> <br> Dan<br> <br> <br> <br> Mike Kirk wrote: <blockquote cite="mid:761673.2192.qm@web83808.mail.sp1.yahoo.com" type="cite">Any advice on how to get family members and relatives to "see the light" on these issues? Most of mine live in "Disney World" and don't even bring it up. <br> <br> Too much of a downer at holidays and get togethers - la,la, la - "the government will step in and make the problems go away."<br> <br> With these events coming at a more rapid pace, at some point it will be hard to avoid the reality.<br> <br> Thanks for the post. Time to get my bicycle ready for the daily commute. :-)<br> <br> -Mike<br> <br> <b><i>Daniel Stafford <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:aqmstaffo@mailbag.com"><aqmstaffo@mailbag.com></a></i></b> wrote: <blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;">I said this first this past January as the foreclosure crisis started dragging on the economy. Dire predictions were flying all about. Now, there are major retailing chains and restaurant chains closing stores or going bankrupt. We've lost 3/4 of the Bakers Square, Joes Crab Shack, and Lonestar Steak Houses in our area already. Wickes Furniture was just built last spring, and they went out of business - it's empty now. Wilson's Leather is going out of business nationally, their entire store, fixtures included, is on clearance. Food rationing is starting to happen on both coasts. Oil has spiked over $117.00 a barrel and gasoline is looking to head north of $4.00 per gallon this spring, let alone this summer. <br> <br> <table border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="2" width="100%"> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="top"><span class="rss:item"></span><font><font color="black" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2"><a moz-do-not-send="true" set="yes" linkindex="60" href="http://www.iht.com/bin/printfriendly.php?id=12162181"><font color="black">Wage erosion cuts deeper in US</font></a></font></font></td> <td valign="top"><span class="rss:item"><font color="black" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2"><a moz-do-not-send="true" set="yes" linkindex="64" href="http://www2.nysun.com/article/74994"><font color="black">America faces food rationing?</font></a></font> </span></td> <td valign="top"><span class="rss:item"><b><font color="#990000" face="Arial, Helvetica,sans-serif" size="4"><a moz-do-not-send="true" set="yes" linkindex="54" href="http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Attacks_in_Middle_East_Nigeria_send_04212008.html"><font color="#990000" face="Arial, Helvetica,sans-serif" size="3"><strong>Oil spikes to over $117 per barrel</strong></font></a></font></b><br> <font face="Times New Roman,serif" size="3"><span id="kicker"><u><a moz-do-not-send="true" set="yes" linkindex="55" href="http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Drivers_paying_record_pump_prices_04202008.html">Average pump price hits $3.50</a></u>; Fuel <u><a moz-do-not-send="true" linkindex="56" href="http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/latestnews/-The-fuel-panic-begins.4001427.jp">panic</a></u> begins, oil capacity rise on <u><a moz-do-not-send="true" linkindex="57" href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/36b36e2a-0efe-11dd-9646-0000779fd2ac.html">hold.</a></u></span></font></span></td> <td valign="top"><span class="rss:item"><font face="Times New Roman,serif" size="3"><span id="kicker"><u><br> </u></span></font></span><span id="money8"><span 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href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/15/AR2008041503157.html?hpid=topnews">States tackle foreclosure </a></td> <td valign="top"><a moz-do-not-send="true" set="yes" linkindex="59" class="red" href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/16/nyregion/16tourism.html?ex=1209009600&en=e2915cf2c501d419&ei=5065&partner=MYWAY">Foreigners sustain NY's economy</a></td> <td valign="top"><a moz-do-not-send="true" set="yes" linkindex="48" class="red" href="http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Foreclosures_jump_57_percent_in_las_04152008.html">Foreclosures up 57% in 12 mos.</a></td> <td valign="top"><a moz-do-not-send="true" set="yes" linkindex="35" class="red" href="http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/AP_poll_More_avoid_buying_homes_04142008.html">AP: More won't be buying home soon</a></td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top"><span class="rss:item"></span><span class="rss:item"></span><span class="rss:item"><font face="Times New Roman,serif" size="3"><span id="kicker"></span></font></span><a moz-do-not-send="true" set="yes" linkindex="51" class="red" href="http://money.cnn.com/2008/04/08/real_estate/radical_city_plan/index.htm?cnn=yes">Ohio town fore- closures up 178%</a></td> <td valign="top"><a moz-do-not-send="true" set="yes" linkindex="62" class="red" href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/14/business/worldbusiness/14real.html?ex=1365825600&en=efb802e7d1c88270&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss">US housing woes spread globally</a></td> <td valign="top"><a moz-do-not-send="true" set="yes" linkindex="25" class="red" href="http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/banking_and_finance/article3671568.ece">Citigroup, Merrill Lynch's $15b loss</a></td> <td valign="top"><a moz-do-not-send="true" set="yes" linkindex="65" class="red" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/apr/11/worldbank.fooddrinks1">'Poor go hungry, rich fill tanks'</a></td> <td valign="top"><a moz-do-not-send="true" set="yes" linkindex="58" class="red" href="http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/04/11/business/11soros.php">Soros sounds world economy alarm</a></td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top"><a moz-do-not-send="true" set="yes" linkindex="42" class="red" href="http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h5BLKr5It2p9VI3sFdwU7d3x3I5QD8VUJV200">Middle class hit by debt, econ. woes</a></td> <td valign="top"><a moz-do-not-send="true" set="yes" linkindex="48" class="red" href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/09/AR2008040903900_pf.html">'Bleaker hopes' for retirement years</a></td> <td valign="top"><a moz-do-not-send="true" set="yes" linkindex="72" class="red" href="http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Foreclosures_come_to_McMansion_coun_04072008.html">Foreclosures hit McMansions</a></td> <td valign="top"><a moz-do-not-send="true" set="yes" linkindex="31" class="red" href="http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Late_loan_payments_highest_since_19_04032008.html">Delinquent loan payments soar</a></td> <td valign="top"><a moz-do-not-send="true" set="yes" linkindex="60" class="red" href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-food1apr01,0,5185698.story">UN World Food Program struggling</a></td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <br> <table border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="2" width="100%"> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="top"><a moz-do-not-send="true" set="yes" linkindex="65" class="red" href="http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Analyst_Predicts_Corn_Rationing_in_2008_0401.html">Corn rationing predicted for 2008</a></td> <td valign="top"><a moz-do-not-send="true" set="yes" linkindex="49" class="red" href="http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/economics/article3649021.ece">Banks abandoning student loans</a></td> <td valign="top"><a moz-do-not-send="true" set="yes" linkindex="61" class="red" href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/30/AR2008033002138.html?hpid=topnews">Economic downturn hits states hard</a></td> <td valign="top"><a moz-do-not-send="true" set="yes" linkindex="71" class="red" href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/31/us/31foodstamps.html?hp=&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1206929080-T1nWta1S+xNL5uA16620wA">Food stamp use nears new high</a></td> <td valign="top"><br> </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.planetizen.com/node/30773">Wave of Bankruptcies Will 'Remake' Shopping Malls Across the Country</a></td> <td valign="top"><span style="font-family: Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 85%; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><strong>"Foreclosures Prompt Cities to Make Plea for Aid :</strong> </span> <div><span style="font-family: Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 85%; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> </span></div> <span style="font-family: Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 85%; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">The United States Conference of Mayors (usmayors.org)As more than 250 mayors , agreed that the collapse of the subprime market had left a growing problem of vacant houses, depressed property values, tighter credit, and a need to cut services to close municipal budget gaps.<br> <a moz-do-not-send="true" set="yes" linkindex="13" href="http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=0019LawIGrT8LvriHOGjTheqSvmvfx6QUej1zZg8MxRU3KKWBg8kySqdYXWEbn0P5-3tb7G5KgAG-fmr2b1ab9IzfhmcPz50wtvu6lqz1da01fApB2xE2P03P-CyT0Hka9KbGHM9RC0r5hZv9z9ldOL21Xd5XAKN1xrtRP6CtGtpIABPrkMv6P0tJLP7puRYsei" target="_blank">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/24/us/24mayors.html?_r=1&oref=slogin </a>"</span></td> <td valign="top"><br> </td> <td valign="top"><br> </td> <td valign="top"><br> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <br> <big><big><i><b>How do we beat this in the absence of help from the federal government? </b></i></big></big><br> <h3 class="post-title"> It's Time To Develop Community Volunteer Pools </h3> <div> </div> <div><span style="font-family: Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 85%; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><strong>It's Time To Develop Community Volunteer Pools -<br> </strong></span></div> <span style="font-family: Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 85%; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br> <br> With news like this, and many other stories threatening the possibility of a global Depression, (Based on a repeat of the land speculation mistakes of the 1920's and other factors) it is time to organize volunteer labor pools. Absent any real leadership from the government, the unemployed and bankrupt will increase in numbers dramatically over the next few years. This represents a lot of economically desperate people and a huge pool of idle talent.<br> <br> Food security is going to become difficult under these circumstances. It will become vital to begin massive vegetable gardening efforts in urban and suburban areas. It is also going to become necessary to build large scale shelters as housing foreclosures continue to skyrocket, driving up the ranks of the homeless.<br> <br> </span><span style="font-family: Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 85%; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><b>Grass lawns are a waste of precious crop-growing space. If you add up the aggregate land area of lawns in the USA, that is a large area of "farmable" land. Putting in a home garden now, before it's too late, could help many avoid hunger if the economy collapses as many are predicting. Community garden plots need to rise up, and so do back yard garden plots. "Canning days" for whole neighborhoods could mean the difference between just missing certain food items or going hungry over the next few winters. <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.seedsavers.org">http://www.seedsavers.org</a> is an excellent source of vegetable seeds and plant seedlings, with over 25,000 varieties of heirloom vegetables that are optimized for different parts of the country.</b></span><span style="font-family: Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 85%; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br> <br> Why not begin forming the structures of a "citizens' W.P.A." now, before all this happens? Strapped municipalities could use these pools of labor to avoid much of the cost of infrastructure improvements, focusing their dwindling property tax intake on purchasing materials for volunteer workers to use. In return, such municipalities could provide materials and space for shelters and gardening projects to feed the volunteers and their families.<br> <br> Additionally, judicious use of eminent domain laws could foreclose on the Foreclosers - seizing bank-owned vacant properties and using them to house homeless laborers in return for their labor hours on community projects. They do not need the federal government to solve the problem. This could be a way for rural communities and suburbs to turn the situation around - since such efforts would in effect fall outside the purview of the failing capitalist economy.<br> <br> Obviously, recycling and local sourcing of materials would be driven higher by such measures. Energy efficiency could also be built into such plans.<br> <br> Just as the States are taking action on renewable energy and climate change through local initiatives, the States and local communities could begin a national turn-around absent help from the federal government, in a legal and moral manner.<br> <br> Idle union workers could initiate apprenticeship programs within the volunteer pools, creating a vast pool of skilled workers for when the economy does rebound. Municipal energy projects such as wind, solar, and biomass (not using food grains, but rather agricultural and yard waste) systems could be built also, driving up local renewable power generation.<br> <br> Local sustainable forestry programs could also be developed and maintained, providing a source of lumber for furniture and interior building structures. Earthen housing using lumber only for floors, windows and roofing could provide highly durable and energy-efficient housing in place of the current lumber-intensive methods of buildings. Existing vacant structures could be tapped for materials and space to build with.<br> <br> Municipalities that embark on such paths could begin to draw people back out into the small towns and suburbs without the need for long-distance commuting.<br> <br> Small family-owned farms might even work with such communities, providing much-needed food in return for volunteer labor to help with growing and harvesting. Composting and sustainable farming methods are age-old ways of working farms without the need for petroleum-based fertilization. Natural methods of controlling pests would leave enough production in place, when combined with urban/suburban gardening efforts, to feed local populations.<br> <br> I also wonder if milkweed pod fiber and cattail fiber couldn't be used to produce small quantities of local textiles in a manner similar to the way cotton is used today. Does anyone out there know if there are small-scale textile mills that could be used or built to operate with such materials? Milkweed and cattails are ubiquitous in the Midwestern US in my experience.<br> <br> It's time to think outside the traditional box, and recover some of the skill sets that were our heritage from times when communities had to be much more self-reliant in the past, combined with modern technologies in ways that are harmonious to the natural environment and the natural rhythms of the human body.<br> <br> There are things we can do to head the worst effects of a severe economic downturn off, while making the lives we lead more sustainable and healthy. More walking, biking, and horsepower in the flesh, more local foods, more local work, shared computers at libraries, community fire brigades, and many other means are available.<br> <br> Open private schools where laid-off teachers could educate children and recover from the closures of public schools resulting from No Child Left Behind and lack of federal funding.<br> <br> There are ways to do these things, using non-profit entities and local initiatives that would bypass the failures of national-scale systems. A mixture of the best from the past and present could lead to a more sustainable, stable, and bright future.<br> <br> It's not necessary to go down in flaming despair at all - if we work together, and start now.<br> <br> JMHO,<br> <br> Dan Stafford</span><br> _______________________________________________<br> CitizensTruth mailing list<br> <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:CitizensTruth@six.pairlist.net">CitizensTruth@six.pairlist.net</a><br> <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth">http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth</a><br> website: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://citizenstruth.info">http://citizenstruth.info</a><br> </blockquote> <br> <pre wrap=""><hr size="4" width="90%">_______________________________________________
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