<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Those who are looting the planet (and the vast majority of us living or trying to live on it) give a <span style="font-style: italic;">big</span> damn about ideology. That's why they soak us in it 24/7 a la Glenn Beck, James Dobson, etc., etc., and you won't see much of the authors and culture makers we on this list respect and look to on MSM. I'd say we're actually living in a highly ideological era.<br><br>I don't disagree that there are people working in the government to try to ameliorate some of these horrors, but intentions don't trump structures, and no government has ever been a neutral bureaucracy up for grabs, let alone an instrument to rise up against the very looters and destroyers who control it. The power of all that bureaucracy rests on armed might - guns and tanks and planes, and courts and jails, and rendition sites these days. And that power
enforces the economic relations of exploitation and rampant blind competition to win out in the drive for more and more and more profits.<br><br>I highly recommend "Views on Socialism & Communism: A Radically Different and Far Greater Vision of Freedom" by Bob Avakian at http://revcom.us/bob_avakian/views/index.htm to get to the reality of one of the biggest ideologies holding us back from stopping these looters and destroyers, which would be bourgeois dictatorship wrapped in the worn cloak of bourgeois democracy.<br><br>Jay<br><br><div id="RTEContent"><div id="RTEContent"><div><strong> </strong><em></em><span style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="font-style: italic;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Stop</span> thinking like an American, <br>Start thinking about humanity!<br></span>Read <span style="font-style: italic; color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">Revolution</span> at www.revcom.us</span><span style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="font-style:
italic;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"></span><br></span></span><span style="color: rgb(0, 127, 64); font-weight: bold;"></span></div></div></div><br><br>--- On <b>Fri, 9/11/09, Hal Snyder <i><hal@drxyzzy.org></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: Hal Snyder <hal@drxyzzy.org><br>Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] The 9/11 Conspiracy<br>To: citizenstruth@six.pairlist.net<br>Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 11:51 PM<br><br><div id="yiv1412488713">Resident floats the gratuitous generalization that "the government" is just crazy as if it is common knowledge, implying that anything the government does will be ineffectual if not malicious.<div><br></div><div>I disagree. IMO this plays into the hands of those who are looting the planet and don't care a fig for ideology, except as it serves their interests - to keep the people from rising up
with government agencies to rein in the abuses.<div><br></div><div>There are actually politicians who work hard at their jobs to serve the people who elected them. Not enough of them maybe, but there are some. And there are people working in the public sector who make a genuine positive difference.<br><div><br></div><div>On Sep 11, 2009, at 6:51 PM, Connie Smith wrote:</div><div><div><div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="margin: 0px;"><font size="2"></font> </div><div style="margin: 0px;"><font size="2"></font> </div><div style="margin: 0px;"><font size="2">I feel for her trauma on that day -- but who is she and why should we care whether she comments or not?</font></div><div style="margin: 0px;"><font size="2"></font> </div><div style="margin: 0px;"><font size="2">Connie</font></div><div style="margin: 0px;"><font size="2"></font> </div><div style="margin: 0px;"><font
size="2"></font> </div><div style="margin: 0px;"> </div><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;"><div style="margin: 0px; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;">----- Original Message -----</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228);"><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" title="mjkirk12@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:mjkirk12@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=mjkirk12@yahoo.com">Mike Kirk</a></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-family: arial;
font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;"><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" title="citizenstruth@six.pairlist.net" ymailto="mailto:citizenstruth@six.pairlist.net" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=citizenstruth@six.pairlist.net">citizenstruth@six.pairlist.net</a></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;"><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, September 11, 2009 9:15 AM</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font:
none;"><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [CitizensTruth] The 9/11 Conspiracy</div><div style="margin: 0px;"><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-family: 'times new roman','new york',times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="margin: 0px;">Bad link below, use this one:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br> <span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://theresident.net/seyret/political_videos_and_environmental_issues/the_911_conspiracy">http://theresident.net/seyret/political_videos_and_environmental_issues/the_911_conspiracy</a></span><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-family: 'times new roman','new york',times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="margin: 0px; font-family: 'times new roman','new york',times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:
bold;">From:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Mike Kirk <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:mjkirk12@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=mjkirk12@yahoo.com">mjkirk12@yahoo.com</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:citizenstruth@six.pairlist.net" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=citizenstruth@six.pairlist.net">citizenstruth@six.pairlist.net</a><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, September 11, 2009 9:13:44 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Fw: The 9/11 Conspiracy<br></font><br><div style="margin: 0px; font-family: 'times new roman','new york',times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="margin: 0px;">Good commentary on this anniversary from The Resident (Lori
Harfenist).<br><br>Stay informed, stay safe...<br><br>-Mike<br></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-family: 'times new roman','new york',times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="margin: 0px; font-family: 'times new roman','new york',times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font size="2" face="Tahoma">----- Forwarded Message ----<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>The Resident <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:info@theresident.net" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=info@theresident.net">info@theresident.net</a>><b><span style="font-weight: bold;"></span></b><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, September 11, 2009 8:20:13 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>The 9/11 Conspiracy<br><br></font><font style="font-family:
Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 10pt;" color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">You might not like it, but<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102700783485&s=467&e=001Kj0qCbnWtdDQvdlUbPZQRkEStW-7VUYUFXsNEygd1kg23ayOSiQllxuHSvffbBAAESwP8HZ22wH3K4m0dqRwNqf9aaqPTi0QqTV65zOzro-hwpFLVdO7hw==">here's my two cents</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>on the 9/11 Conspiracy Theories.</font><br><br><div id="rootDiv" style="margin: 0px;" align="center"><table style="margin: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" bgcolor="#ffffff" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td align="middle" valign="top"><table style="width: 600px;" border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="0" width="600"><tbody><tr><td width="100%"><br></td></tr><tr><td style="padding: 1px; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
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