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<DIV>Robin, I am pretty sure that the Panama "alien" was a sloth which lost it's hair by being in the water so long, and then decaying gasses distended it stomach. If you go to the photos in some of the links you can see the claws on all four of its feet. The article mentioned the "Montauk Monster" and you might Google it - that turned out to be a raccoon. Here is a link about the Panama sloth:</DIV>
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<DIV>Re: 911 I consider myself very lucky in having many family members who agree with me on 911. In fact my daughter and her husband were the ones that led me to it in the first place - to my initial incredulity. My son, a dispassionate scientist, and his in-laws even saw the light. So that really helps me. A lot. My sister won't even consider the idea. </DIV>
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<DIV>Our planet is finite. Capitalism requires infinite growth. Capitalism can't grow with a shrinking population. We must shrink our population to survive. Yada, yada, yada.<BR><BR></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: blue"><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial>WENDELL POTTER: Well, clearly, <B>this senator [Chuck Grassley] has the insurance industry’s best interests at heart, not the American public and not his constituents.</B> </FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: blue"></SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: blue"><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial>He has said that he didn’t think a public plan would be fair, compete fairly with insurance companies who—the private insurance industry. <B>I’d like to ask him what is fair about the way that the insurance industries operate today, the companies that dump sick people when they need insurance most. What is fair about the way the insurance industry operates, Senator Grassley?</B> </FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: blue"><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial>AMY GOODMAN<B>: Forty-five million new customers, that’s what the private insurance companies can now look forward to</B>, if a bill like what came out of the Senate Finance Committee moves forward with the mandate. Explain how they will make out and how important, how significant, how profitable this is for the for-profit companies. </FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: blue"><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial>WENDELL POTTER: <B>Yeah, this is the first time that the insurance industry has really seen great opportunity in healthcare reform,</B> with an individual mandate, which would require all of us to buy insurance if we are not eligible for a public, government-run program, which, fortunately, many people are. We would have to buy it in the private market from insurance companies, many of whom—many of which are for-profit companies. We would not have the option of buying or getting insurance through a government-run program like the public option would create. </FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<DIV><B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">So, not only would our premium dollars go into this—into the private insurance industry, but a lot of tax dollars would.</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Most people who don’t have insurance can’t afford it, and they wouldn’t be able to afford it after healthcare reform is passed without the government subsidizing their premiums<B>. So billions and billions of taxpayers’ dollars will flow right into the treasuries of these big for-profit insurance companies</B>. So we will be essentially paying a tax that will help support these insurance companies<B>. It will be an enormous bailout of the health insurance industry.</B></SPAN><B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></B></DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Sat, 10/3/09, Robin Migalla <I><rmigalla@earthlink.net></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=plainMail>Hi Chuck,<BR><BR>I really hear your frustration in this message. I, too, have suffered <BR>terrible despair over the way things have been going. When I first woke up <BR>to the whole building 7 thing, I spent almost an entire year either in <BR>frantic chicken little ravings or despairing episodes of depression that <BR>kept me on my couch for weeks. The same year I awoke, I lost my brother <BR>who was my best friend in all the world, and the last of my nuclear family <BR>on this earth. It was quite a lonely period in my life. And the absolute <BR>worst part of it was my husband wouldn't even consider looking at the <BR>evidence. Not even in my own home and family, in my closest and most <BR>intimate relationship, could I get a listening, compassionate ear for the <BR>distress my awakening caused.<BR><BR>I'm glad that stage is behind me now, and funny thing is since I've come to <BR>terms with my
husband's inability to even entertain the idea there was some <BR>funny business happening on September 11, 2001, I really am feeling a lot <BR>more hopeful. I sincerely believe that the end of deception is upon us. <BR>Here's a link to an article I found very helpful:<BR><BR><A href="http://www.world-of-wisdom.com/blog/belief-systems-and-their-consequence" rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.world-of-wisdom.com/blog/belief-systems-and-their-consequence</A> <BR>s/24/#more-24<BR><BR>I hope the astrology stuff doesn't scare you too much, to consider the <BR>points that Adrian is making.<BR><BR>I've also been meaning to reply to your post about the alien discovery in <BR>Cerro Azul, Panama. I participate in several groups who are focused on <BR>planetary ascension. Many of the people in these groups claim to have <BR>relationships with extra terrestrials and often share messages they believe <BR>are coming from them. If you
haven't read "From elsewhere : being E.T. in <BR>America" by Scott Mendelker, I encourage you to do so. Many of the <BR>messages of late have been telling us that there are going to be more and <BR>more incidences of these extra terrestrials trying to make contact with us.<BR><BR>It's a shame that the teens became so fearful they felt they had to kill <BR>the creature. Of course isn't that the way of the world these days - our <BR>fear driving our madness? I'm not surprised, but I am saddened by it. The <BR>creature doesn't appear to be something capable of overpowering a group of <BR>healthy teenagers. If their fear hadn't taken over, perhaps they could <BR>have subdued rather than killed the creature and we could have learned <BR>something.<BR><BR>Anyway, the older I get the more I realize truth is a very relative thing. <BR>I do believe, however, there are a few universal truths on which we can <BR>rely. I believe
one of them to be that there really is a loving Creator <BR>which has our very best interests at heart and in mind, and if we can calm <BR>our fears enough to hear the still small voice we carry within our own <BR>being given us by that Creator, we might just get a glimpse of a new and <BR>better world and begin to manifest that.<BR><BR>I also want to express my gratitude to you for your very well thought out <BR>and thought provoking posts. It has been through your posts, I have been <BR>able to let go of some of my staunch libertarian views and to see the value <BR>in certain public enterprises. I'm not yet sure health care ought to be <BR>one of them; especially, given that my view of the current corporate <BR>controlled system is killing us, but I do think I'm starting to see there <BR>might be a way of doing this. Did you know that the very first hospital on <BR>our continent was established by Benjamin Franklin as a means of
caring for <BR>the homeless sick and mentally ill folks on the streets of Philadelphia. I <BR>think good ole Ben was onto something, and I think it was by no accident <BR>that it was a public enterprise and not a corporate controlled profit <BR>center.<BR><BR>Thanks for listening,<BR>Robin<BR>www.healthforlifecoloncare.com<BR>www.traditionalnutrition.org<BR>www.ppnf.org<BR>"Let thy food be thy medicine and thy medicine be thy food."<BR> --Hippocrates (460-377 B.C.)<BR> Just be careful how you define food ;-)<BR><BR>"The purpose of medicine is to amuse the patient until nature effects a <BR>cure."<BR> -- Voltaire
(1694-1778)<BR><BR>"Doctors pour medicines of which they know little to cure diseases of which<BR> they no less into humans of which they know nothing."<BR> -- Voltaire (1694-1778)<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Chuck Minne [SMTP:<A href="http://us.mc369.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mincam2@yahoo.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank>mincam2@yahoo.com</A>]<BR>Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 17:36<BR>To: September 11 List 2; Connie Smith<BR>Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] Why be on this list if...<BR><BR>Connie, I am on this list because I want to know the truth (or at least <BR>what others perceive it to be.) I'm not sure that I ever will. In fact, I <BR>don't think it is entirely possible. I'd be happy if I thought I came
<BR>reasonably close.<BR><BR>Before 911, I actually thought it was possible to be fairly well informed. <BR>However, 911 has made me almost a complete an unbeliever. I feel confident <BR>that schoolbooks of 2020 will be full of lies. So why not the schoolbooks <BR>of 1990? 1890? etc.?<BR><BR>I belong to Architects & Engineers for 911 Truth. Their goal is to <BR>enlighten Congress. When talking to one of their organizers, I asked, "What <BR>makes you think Congress is on our side?" She had no answer.<BR><BR>I have come to the conclusion that people do not want to know the "truth," <BR>or if they already do, they don't want to admit it. I truly hope I am <BR>wrong, and that you can prove me so.<BR><BR>It is my guess that we are the work of aliens - but damned if I know or <BR>even believe that. And that goes for just about everything.<BR><BR>I think our world revolves about greed - but that is just another guess.<BR><BR>Tell me I'm wrong about any of
this. that's fine with me - maybe I'll learn <BR>something. Which is why I am here.<BR><BR><BR><BR>AMY GOODMAN: We're talking to Wendell Potter. For twenty years he was an <BR>executive at CIGNA and Humana. Most importantly, in the years at CIGNA, he <BR>was their chief corporate spokesperson, but has left to blow the whistle on <BR>insurance companies.<BR><BR>WENDELL POTTER: Well, clearly, this senator [Chuck Grassley] has the <BR>insurance industry's best interests at heart, not the American public and <BR>not his constituents.<BR><BR>He has said that he didn't think a public plan would be fair, compete <BR>fairly with insurance companies who-the private insurance industry. I'd <BR>like to ask him what is fair about the way that the insurance industries <BR>operate today, the companies that dump sick people when they need insurance <BR>most. What is fair about the way the insurance industry operates, Senator <BR>Grassley?<BR><BR>AMY GOODMAN:
Forty-five million new customers, that's what the private <BR>insurance companies can now look forward to, if a bill like what came out <BR>of the Senate Finance Committee moves forward with the mandate. Explain how <BR>they will make out and how important, how significant, how profitable this <BR>is for the for-profit companies.<BR><BR>WENDELL POTTER: Yeah, this is the first time that the insurance industry <BR>has really seen great opportunity in healthcare reform, with an individual <BR>mandate, which would require all of us to buy insurance if we are not <BR>eligible for a public, government-run program, which, fortunately, many <BR>people are. We would have to buy it in the private market from insurance <BR>companies, many of whom-many of which are for-profit companies. We would <BR>not have the option of buying or getting insurance through a government-run <BR>program like the public option would create.<BR><BR>So, not only would our premium
dollars go into this-into the private <BR>insurance industry, but a lot of tax dollars would. Most people who don't <BR>have insurance can't afford it, and they wouldn't be able to afford it <BR>after healthcare reform is passed without the government subsidizing their <BR>premiums. So billions and billions of taxpayers' dollars will flow right <BR>into the treasuries of these big for-profit insurance companies. So we will <BR>be essentially paying a tax that will help support these insurance <BR>companies. It will be an enormous bailout of the health insurance industry. <BR><BR>--- On Fri, 10/2/09, Connie Smith <<A href="http://us.mc369.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dimension04@sbcglobal.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank>dimension04@sbcglobal.net</A>> wrote:<BR><BR><BR>From: Connie Smith <<A href="http://us.mc369.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dimension04@sbcglobal.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank>dimension04@sbcglobal.net</A>><BR>Subject:
[CitizensTruth] Why be on this list if...<BR>To: "September 11 List 2" <<A href="http://us.mc369.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=citizenstruth@six.pairlist.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank>citizenstruth@six.pairlist.net</A>><BR>Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 5:05 PM<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Regarding a few comments that are going around, pertaining to the NY ballot <BR>efforts, Daniel Sunjata, etc:<BR><BR>Why on earth would anyone be on a 9/11 Truth list if they doubt the truth <BR>WILL break through? One comment was an overt demoralization attempt -- <BR>which is like attempted sabotage. The other was all about confusion -- <BR>which at very least, isn't helpful.<BR><BR>Of course there's mythology in our history, but the good stories aren't the <BR>problem. America does have a foundation of ideals, and there are healthy <BR>kernels of truth and goodness even if some events are exaggerated.<BR><BR>The problem comes in with lack of
truth about the "bad" stories -- lack of <BR>awareness of how brutal and arrogant many US policies actually have been <BR>and continue to be.<BR><BR>America: all good, no bad -- this has been the LIE unconscionably taught <BR>to us, to generations of schoolchildren. This is what has most Americans <BR>living in the matrix of ignorance -- and why the perpetrators of 9/11 were <BR>pretty sure they could get away with it.<BR><BR>But I'm convinced the unprecedented level of global awareness and activism <BR>are reaching critical mass -- and ALL the lies -- especially about history <BR>and religion -- are soon going to come rushing out in a tsunami of truth. <BR>Our main task then is to help people adjust -- as we have had to do -- to <BR>the shock. And then to help build an entirely new and shining future based <BR>on good-hearted realism instead of the evil agendas humanity has long been <BR>suffering.<BR><BR>Connie<BR>-----Inline
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