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<DIV>Speaking of capitalism, the buzz is that Michael Moore's new movie on that
subject has audience members streaming out of the theaters but not leaving the
lobbies because total strangers are so excited with each other at the
movie's disgusting, monumental, and even hilarious revelations. Moore
is asking people to go see it NOW if it's near you, so that the numbers shake up
the CEOs tomorrow. </DIV>
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<DIV>There are a LOT of locations in the Chicago area.</DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=mincam2@yahoo.com href="mailto:mincam2@yahoo.com">Chuck Minne</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=citizenstruth@six.pairlist.net
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, October 03, 2009 12:12
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CitizensTruth] Why be on
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<DIV>Robin, I am pretty sure that the Panama "alien" was a sloth which
lost it's hair by being in the water so long, and then decaying gasses
distended it stomach. If you go to the photos in some of the links you
can see the claws on all four of its feet. The article mentioned the
"Montauk Monster" and you might Google it - that turned out to be a
raccoon. Here is a link about the Panama sloth:</DIV>
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href="http://www.livescience.com/common/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2204"
rel=nofollow
target=_blank>http://www.livescience.com/common/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2204</A></DIV>
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<DIV>I apologize for not doing my research until after I posted.</DIV>
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<DIV>Re: 911 I consider myself very lucky in having many family
members who agree with me on 911. In fact my daughter and her husband
were the ones that led me to it in the first place - to my initial
incredulity. My son, a dispassionate scientist, and his in-laws even saw
the light. So that really helps me. A lot. My sister won't even consider
the idea. </DIV>
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<DIV>Our planet is finite. Capitalism requires infinite growth.
Capitalism can't grow with a shrinking population. We must shrink our
population to survive. Yada, yada, yada.<BR><BR></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue"><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial>AMY GOODMAN: We’re
talking to Wendell Potter. For twenty years he was an executive at CIGNA
and Humana. Most importantly, in the years at CIGNA, he was their chief
corporate spokesperson, but has left to blow the whistle on insurance
companies. </FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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style="COLOR: blue"><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial>WENDELL POTTER: Well,
clearly, <B>this senator [Chuck Grassley] has the insurance industry’s
best interests at heart, not the American public and not his
constituents.</B> </FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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style="COLOR: blue"></SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: blue"><FONT size=2><FONT
face=Arial>He has said that he didn’t think a public plan would be fair,
compete fairly with insurance companies who—the private insurance
industry. <B>I’d like to ask him what is fair about the way that the
insurance industries operate today, the companies that dump sick people
when they need insurance most. What is fair about the way the insurance
industry operates, Senator Grassley?</B> </FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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style="COLOR: blue"><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial>AMY GOODMAN<B>:
Forty-five million new customers, that’s what the private insurance
companies can now look forward to</B>, if a bill like what came out of
the Senate Finance Committee moves forward with the mandate. Explain how
they will make out and how important, how significant, how profitable
this is for the for-profit companies. </FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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style="COLOR: blue"><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial>WENDELL POTTER:
<B>Yeah, this is the first time that the insurance industry has really
seen great opportunity in healthcare reform,</B> with an individual
mandate, which would require all of us to buy insurance if we are not
eligible for a public, government-run program, which, fortunately, many
people are. We would have to buy it in the private market from insurance
companies, many of whom—many of which are for-profit companies. We would
not have the option of buying or getting insurance through a
government-run program like the public option would create.
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<DIV><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">So, not only
would our premium dollars go into this—into the private insurance
industry, but a lot of tax dollars would.</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Most people
who don’t have insurance can’t afford it, and they wouldn’t be able to
afford it after healthcare reform is passed without the government
subsidizing their premiums<B>. So billions and billions of taxpayers’
dollars will flow right into the treasuries of these big for-profit
insurance companies</B>. So we will be essentially paying a tax that
will help support these insurance companies<B>. It will be an enormous
bailout of the health insurance industry.</B></SPAN><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></B></DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Sat, 10/3/09, Robin Migalla
<I><rmigalla@earthlink.net></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From:
Robin Migalla <rmigalla@earthlink.net><BR>Subject: Re:
[CitizensTruth] Why be on this list if...<BR>To: "Citizens Truth
(E-mail)" <citizenstruth@six.pairlist.net><BR>Date: Saturday,
October 3, 2009, 10:54 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV class=plainMail>Hi Chuck,<BR><BR>I really hear your frustration
in this message. I, too, have suffered <BR>terrible despair over
the way things have been going. When I first woke up <BR>to the
whole building 7 thing, I spent almost an entire year either in
<BR>frantic chicken little ravings or despairing episodes of
depression that <BR>kept me on my couch for weeks. The same year
I awoke, I lost my brother <BR>who was my best friend in all the
world, and the last of my nuclear family <BR>on this earth. It
was quite a lonely period in my life. And the absolute <BR>worst
part of it was my husband wouldn't even consider looking at the
<BR>evidence. Not even in my own home and family, in my closest
and most <BR>intimate relationship, could I get a listening,
compassionate ear for the <BR>distress my awakening caused.<BR><BR>I'm
glad that stage is behind me now, and funny thing is since I've come
to <BR>terms with my husband's inability to even entertain the idea
there was some <BR>funny business happening on September 11, 2001, I
really am feeling a lot <BR>more hopeful. I sincerely believe
that the end of deception is upon us. <BR>Here's a link to an article
I found very helpful:<BR><BR><A
href="http://www.world-of-wisdom.com/blog/belief-systems-and-their-consequence"
rel=nofollow
target=_blank>http://www.world-of-wisdom.com/blog/belief-systems-and-their-consequence</A>
<BR>s/24/#more-24<BR><BR>I hope the astrology stuff doesn't scare you
too much, to consider the <BR>points that Adrian is
making.<BR><BR>I've also been meaning to reply to your post about the
alien discovery in <BR>Cerro Azul, Panama. I participate in
several groups who are focused on <BR>planetary ascension. Many
of the people in these groups claim to have <BR>relationships with
extra terrestrials and often share messages they believe <BR>are
coming from them. If you haven't read "From elsewhere : being
E.T. in <BR>America" by Scott Mendelker, I encourage you to do
so. Many of the <BR>messages of late have been telling us that
there are going to be more and <BR>more incidences of these extra
terrestrials trying to make contact with us.<BR><BR>It's a shame that
the teens became so fearful they felt they had to kill <BR>the
creature. Of course isn't that the way of the world these days -
our <BR>fear driving our madness? I'm not surprised, but I am
saddened by it. The <BR>creature doesn't appear to be something
capable of overpowering a group of <BR>healthy teenagers. If
their fear hadn't taken over, perhaps they could <BR>have subdued
rather than killed the creature and we could have learned
<BR>something.<BR><BR>Anyway, the older I get the more I realize truth
is a very relative thing. <BR>I do believe, however, there are a few
universal truths on which we can <BR>rely. I believe one of them
to be that there really is a loving Creator <BR>which has our very
best interests at heart and in mind, and if we can calm <BR>our fears
enough to hear the still small voice we carry within our own <BR>being
given us by that Creator, we might just get a glimpse of a new and
<BR>better world and begin to manifest that.<BR><BR>I also want to
express my gratitude to you for your very well thought out <BR>and
thought provoking posts. It has been through your posts, I have
been <BR>able to let go of some of my staunch libertarian views and to
see the value <BR>in certain public enterprises. I'm not yet
sure health care ought to be <BR>one of them; especially, given that
my view of the current corporate <BR>controlled system is killing us,
but I do think I'm starting to see there <BR>might be a way of doing
this. Did you know that the very first hospital on <BR>our
continent was established by Benjamin Franklin as a means of caring
for <BR>the homeless sick and mentally ill folks on the streets of
Philadelphia. I <BR>think good ole Ben was onto something, and I
think it was by no accident <BR>that it was a public enterprise and
not a corporate controlled profit <BR>center.<BR><BR>Thanks for
listening,<BR>Robin<BR>www.healthforlifecoloncare.com<BR>www.traditionalnutrition.org<BR>www.ppnf.org<BR>"Let
thy food be thy medicine and thy medicine be thy food."<BR>
--Hippocrates (460-377 B.C.)<BR>
Just be careful how you define food
;-)<BR><BR>"The purpose of medicine is to amuse the patient until
nature effects a <BR>cure."<BR>
-- Voltaire (1694-1778)<BR><BR>"Doctors
pour medicines of which they know little to cure diseases of
which<BR> they no less into humans of which
they know nothing."<BR>
-- Voltaire (1694-1778)<BR><BR>-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: Chuck Minne [SMTP:<A
href="http://us.mc369.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mincam2@yahoo.com"
rel=nofollow
target=_blank>mincam2@yahoo.com</A>]<BR>Sent:
Friday, October 02, 2009 17:36<BR>To: September 11
List 2; Connie Smith<BR>Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth]
Why be on this list if...<BR><BR>Connie, I am on this list because I
want to know the truth (or at least <BR>what others perceive it to
be.) I'm not sure that I ever will. In fact, I <BR>don't think it is
entirely possible. I'd be happy if I thought I came <BR>reasonably
close.<BR><BR>Before 911, I actually thought it was possible to be
fairly well informed. <BR>However, 911 has made me almost a complete
an unbeliever. I feel confident <BR>that schoolbooks of 2020 will be
full of lies. So why not the schoolbooks <BR>of 1990? 1890?
etc.?<BR><BR>I belong to Architects & Engineers for 911 Truth.
Their goal is to <BR>enlighten Congress. When talking to one of their
organizers, I asked, "What <BR>makes you think Congress is on our
side?" She had no answer.<BR><BR>I have come to the conclusion that
people do not want to know the "truth," <BR>or if they already do,
they don't want to admit it. I truly hope I am <BR>wrong, and that you
can prove me so.<BR><BR>It is my guess that we are the work of aliens
- but damned if I know or <BR>even believe that. And that goes for
just about everything.<BR><BR>I think our world revolves about greed -
but that is just another guess.<BR><BR>Tell me I'm wrong about any of
this. that's fine with me - maybe I'll learn <BR>something. Which is
why I am here.<BR><BR><BR><BR>AMY GOODMAN: We're talking to Wendell
Potter. For twenty years he was an <BR>executive at CIGNA and Humana.
Most importantly, in the years at CIGNA, he <BR>was their chief
corporate spokesperson, but has left to blow the whistle on
<BR>insurance companies.<BR><BR>WENDELL POTTER: Well, clearly, this
senator [Chuck Grassley] has the <BR>insurance industry's best
interests at heart, not the American public and <BR>not his
constituents.<BR><BR>He has said that he didn't think a public plan
would be fair, compete <BR>fairly with insurance companies who-the
private insurance industry. I'd <BR>like to ask him what is fair about
the way that the insurance industries <BR>operate today, the companies
that dump sick people when they need insurance <BR>most. What is fair
about the way the insurance industry operates, Senator
<BR>Grassley?<BR><BR>AMY GOODMAN: Forty-five million new customers,
that's what the private <BR>insurance companies can now look forward
to, if a bill like what came out <BR>of the Senate Finance Committee
moves forward with the mandate. Explain how <BR>they will make out and
how important, how significant, how profitable this <BR>is for the
for-profit companies.<BR><BR>WENDELL POTTER: Yeah, this is the first
time that the insurance industry <BR>has really seen great opportunity
in healthcare reform, with an individual <BR>mandate, which would
require all of us to buy insurance if we are not <BR>eligible for a
public, government-run program, which, fortunately, many <BR>people
are. We would have to buy it in the private market from insurance
<BR>companies, many of whom-many of which are for-profit companies. We
would <BR>not have the option of buying or getting insurance through a
government-run <BR>program like the public option would
create.<BR><BR>So, not only would our premium dollars go into
this-into the private <BR>insurance industry, but a lot of tax dollars
would. Most people who don't <BR>have insurance can't afford it, and
they wouldn't be able to afford it <BR>after healthcare reform is
passed without the government subsidizing their <BR>premiums. So
billions and billions of taxpayers' dollars will flow right <BR>into
the treasuries of these big for-profit insurance companies. So we will
<BR>be essentially paying a tax that will help support these insurance
<BR>companies. It will be an enormous bailout of the health insurance
industry. <BR><BR>--- On Fri, 10/2/09, Connie Smith <<A
href="http://us.mc369.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dimension04@sbcglobal.net"
rel=nofollow target=_blank>dimension04@sbcglobal.net</A>>
wrote:<BR><BR><BR>From: Connie Smith <<A
href="http://us.mc369.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dimension04@sbcglobal.net"
rel=nofollow
target=_blank>dimension04@sbcglobal.net</A>><BR>Subject:
[CitizensTruth] Why be on this list if...<BR>To: "September 11 List 2"
<<A
href="http://us.mc369.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=citizenstruth@six.pairlist.net"
rel=nofollow
target=_blank>citizenstruth@six.pairlist.net</A>><BR>Date: Friday,
October 2, 2009, 5:05 PM<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Regarding a
few comments that are going around, pertaining to the NY ballot
<BR>efforts, Daniel Sunjata, etc:<BR><BR>Why on earth would anyone be
on a 9/11 Truth list if they doubt the truth <BR>WILL break
through? One comment was an overt demoralization attempt --
<BR>which is like attempted sabotage. The other was all about
confusion -- <BR>which at very least, isn't helpful.<BR><BR>Of course
there's mythology in our history, but the good stories aren't the
<BR>problem. America does have a foundation of ideals, and there are
healthy <BR>kernels of truth and goodness even if some events are
exaggerated.<BR><BR>The problem comes in with lack of truth about the
"bad" stories -- lack of <BR>awareness of how brutal and arrogant many
US policies actually have been <BR>and continue to
be.<BR><BR>America: all good, no bad -- this has been the LIE
unconscionably taught <BR>to us, to generations of
schoolchildren. This is what has most Americans <BR>living in
the matrix of ignorance -- and why the perpetrators of 9/11 were
<BR>pretty sure they could get away with it.<BR><BR>But I'm convinced
the unprecedented level of global awareness and activism <BR>are
reaching critical mass -- and ALL the lies -- especially about history
<BR>and religion -- are soon going to come rushing out in a tsunami of
truth. <BR>Our main task then is to help people adjust -- as we have
had to do -- to <BR>the shock. And then to help build an
entirely new and shining future based <BR>on good-hearted realism
instead of the evil agendas humanity has long been
<BR>suffering.<BR><BR>Connie<BR>-----Inline Attachment
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