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<br> Obama lost me when he voted for the telecom wiretap immunity bill <br>after promising that he would filibuster to oppose it. He never explained <br>why he voted for it. He was a constitutional scholar and he understood <br>the issues, and he was a lawyer who understood that the bill would stop<br>the 50 pending lawsuits' discovery process that would have revealed the <br>depth and breadth of the wiretap violations.<br><br> I would like to believe that he's a good guy who will at some dramatic<br>point whip off his Bush-lite mask and show us who he really is, but I<br>already went through that process with Kerry. Through the whole<br>Ohio recount process in 2004 I kept telling everybody--"You just watch,<br>the Democrats know what they're doing. This is a trap for Bush." I was<br>wrong.<br><br> From 2006 to 2008 the Dems told us "We must appease and concentrate <br>on winning the next election." So now that it's won, we must keep on<br>appeasing? On his third day in office Obama declared his contempt for <br>international law, the Nuremberg Principles, the UN, and simple human<br>decency by ordering drone missile attacks on Pakistan that killed 14<br>civilians. He's a war criminal.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> <br><br><br>> From: dimension04@sbcglobal.net<br>> To: geri@thetwofacesofmoney.com<br>> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:11:47 -0500<br>> CC: citizenstruth@six.pairlist.net<br>> Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?"<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Good and well-informed points, as always, Geri.<br>> <br>> Re, the "hope" thing. A LITTLE more to it than that is my surprise that <br>> given a potential 4-8 years in office, there's so much conviction, it seems, <br>> that in less than one year he's a Failure, or worse. Could all this be <br>> "premature speculation"?<br>> <br>> I think his rise to power is founded on his natural abilities -- BUT, I <br>> understand that like Kucinich, all the natural abilities in the world can't <br>> "get you there" if you don't have the backing of the powers-that-be.<br>> <br>> I still wonder whether They are using Barack -- or given time, it will turn <br>> out that he has used Them. That it's been his strategy all along to use <br>> them to get to where, well actually -- to where he CAME FROM and bless the <br>> world with it -- and that would be his mom's and grandma's life-long <br>> grooming to truly love and help humanity.<br>> <br>> The ptb, or mom and gram. Hmmmmm...which will it turn out to be...<br>> <br>> ?<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> ----- Original Message ----- <br>> From: "Geri Perry" <geri@thetwofacesofmoney.com><br>> To: "Connie Smith" <dimension04@sbcglobal.net><br>> Cc: "Chuck Minne" <mincam2@yahoo.com>; <citizenstruth@six.pairlist.net><br>> Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 6:24 PM<br>> Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?"<br>> <br>> <br>> > And there is yet another perspective . . .<br>> ><br>> > This one holds that Obama, like so many before him, is little more than a <br>> > puppet.<br>> ><br>> > How else can we explain his meteoric rise from total obscurity to become- <br>> > in one giant leap - president of the Unite States, and tainted no less by <br>> > the same Rezco scandal that so heavily damaged the Blago image?<br>> ><br>> > We can guess who pulls the strings, but following the money is a good <br>> > start.<br>> ><br>> > Amazingly poor timing was evident when Obama convened his war council for <br>> > crucial talks on Afghan strategy within hours after being named Nobel <br>> > Peace Laureate. This may be due to the fact that, as Chalmers Johnson <br>> > posits in Sorrows of Empire, CentCom pulls the shots on foreign policy, <br>> > not the pres. (Or maybe now its NATO?)<br>> ><br>> > I'm no fan of Michael Moore but there is something to be said for those <br>> > who at least HOPE the president will do right by the people and not the <br>> > money power. Wishful thinking in the face of current facts, but WAY better <br>> > than actually "hoping he will fail" as Rush Limbaugh has publicly AND <br>> > wrongly asserted.<br>> ><br>> > Geri P<br>> ><br>> > Connie Smith wrote:<br>> >> Or...we could consider another point of view:<br>> >><br>> >> *Get Off Obama's Back ...second thoughts from Michael Moore*<br>> >><br>> >> Saturday, October 10th, 2009<br>> >><br>> >> Friends,<br>> >><br>> >> ...I went back and re-read what I had written. And _I listened for far <br>> >> too long yesterday to the right wing hate machine who did what they could <br>> >> to crap all over Barack's big day. Did I -- and others on the left -- do <br>> >> the same? _<br>> >><br>> >> We are weary, weary of war. The trillions that will have gone to these <br>> >> two wars have helped to bankrupt us as a nation -- financially and <br>> >> morally. To think of all the good we could have done with all that money! <br>> >> Two months of the War in Iraq would pay for all the wells that need to be <br>> >> dug in the Third World for drinking water! Obama is moving too slow for <br>> >> most of us -- but he needs to know we are with him and we stand beside <br>> >> him as he attempts to turn eight years of sheer madness around. Who could <br>> >> do that in nine months? Superman? Thor? Mitch McConnell?<br>> >><br>> >> Instead of waiting to see what the president is going to do, we all need <br>> >> to be pro-active and push the agenda that we want to see enacted. What <br>> >> keeps us from forming the same local groups we put together to get out <br>> >> the vote last November? C'mon! We're the majority now -- the majority by <br>> >> a significant margin! We call the shots -- and we need to tell this wimpy <br>> >> Congress to get busy and do what we say -- or else.<br>> >><br>> >> All I ask of those who voted for Obama is to not pile on him too quickly. <br>> >> Yes, make your voice heard (his phone number is 202-456-1414). But don't <br>> >> abandon the best hope we've had in our lifetime for change. And for God's <br>> >> sake, don't head to bummerville if he says or does something we don't <br>> >> like. Do you ever see Republicans behave that way? I mean, the Right had <br>> >> 20 years of Republican presidents and they still couldn't get prayer in <br>> >> the public schools, or outlaw abortion, or initiate a flat tax or put our <br>> >> Social Security into the stock market. They did a lot of damage, no doubt <br>> >> about that, but on the key issues that the Christian Right fought for, <br>> >> they came up nearly empty handed. No wonder they've been driven crazy <br>> >> lately. They'll never have it as good again as they've had it since <br>> >> Reagan took office.<br>> >><br>> >> But -- do you ever see them looking all gloomy and defeated? No! They <br>> >> keep on fighting! Every day. Our side? At the first sign of wavering, we <br>> >> just pack up our toys and go home.<br>> >><br>> >> So, at least for this weekend, let us celebrate what people elsewhere are <br>> >> celebrating -- that America now has a sane and smart man in the White <br>> >> House, a man who truly wants a world at peace for his two daughters.<br>> >><br>> >> Many, for the past couple days (yes, myself included), have grumbled, <br>> >> "What has he done to earn this prize?" How 'bout this:<br>> >><br>> >> The simple fact that he was elected was reason enough for him to be the <br>> >> recipient of this year's Nobel Peace Prize.<br>> >><br>> >> Because on that day the murderous actions of the Bush/Cheney years were <br>> >> totally and thoroughly rebuked. One man -- a man who opposed the War in <br>> >> Iraq from the beginning -- offered to end the insanity. The world has <br>> >> stood by in utter horror for the past eight years as they watched the <br>> >> descendants of Washington, Lincoln and Jefferson light the fuse of our <br>> >> own self-destruction. We flipped off the nations on this planet by <br>> >> abandoning Kyoto and then proceeded to melt eight more years worth of the <br>> >> polar ice caps. We invaded two nations that didn't attack us, failed to <br>> >> find the real terrorists and, in effect, ignited our own wave of terror. <br>> >> People all over the world wondered if we had gone mad.<br>> >><br>> >> And if all that wasn't enough, the outgoing Joker presided over the worst <br>> >> global financial collapse since the Great Depression.<br>> >><br>> >> So, yeah, at precisely 11:00pm ET on November 4, 2008, Barack Obama won <br>> >> the Nobel Peace Prize. And the 66 million people who voted for him won <br>> >> it, too. By the time he took the stage at midnight ET in the Grant Park <br>> >> Historic Hippie Battlefield in downtown Chicago, billions of people <br>> >> around the globe were already breathing a huge sigh of relief. It was as <br>> >> if, in that instant, one man did bring the promise of peace to the <br>> >> world -- and most were ready to go wherever he wanted to go to achieve <br>> >> that end. Never before had the election of one man made every other <br>> >> nation feel like they had won, too. When you've got billions of people <br>> >> ready, willing and able to join a cause like this, well, a prize in Oslo <br>> >> is the least that you deserve.<br>> >><br>> >> One other thought. The Peace Prize historically has been given to those <br>> >> who have worked to throw off the yoke of racial discrimination and <br>> >> segregation (Martin Luther King, Jr., Desmond Tutu). I think the Nobel <br>> >> committee, in awarding Obama the prize, was also rewarding the fact that <br>> >> something profound had happened in a nation that was founded on racial <br>> >> genocide, built on racist slavery, and held back for a hundred-plus years <br>> >> by vestiges of hateful bigotry (which can still be found on display at <br>> >> teabagger rallies and daily talk radio). The fact that this one man could <br>> >> cause this seismic historical event to occur -- and to do so with such <br>> >> grace and humility, never succumbing to the bait, but still not backing <br>> >> down (yes, he asked to be sworn in as "Barack Hussein Obama"!) -- is more <br>> >> than reason enough he should be in Oslo to meet the King on December 10. <br>> >> Maybe he could take us along with him. 'Cause I also suspect the Nobel <br>> >> committee was tipping its hat to all of us -- we, the American people, <br>> >> had conquered some of our racism and did the truly unexpected. After <br>> >> seeing searing images of our black fellow citizens left to drown in New <br>> >> Orleans -- and poor whites seeing their own treated no better than the <br>> >> black man they had been raised to hate -- we had all seen enough. It was <br>> >> time for change.<br>> >><br>> >> Thank you, Barack Obama, for giving us the opportunity to redeem <br>> >> ourselves. Now for the tasks ahead. We need you to do all that you <br>> >> promised to do. We need it. The world needs it.<br>> >><br>> >> My prediction for the future? You become the first *two-time* winner of <br>> >> the Nobel Peace Prize! Yeah!<br>> >><br>> >> Fred (that's Norwegian for "Peace"),<br>> >> Michael Moore<br>> >> MMFlint@aol.com<br>> >> MichaelMoore.com<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> Join Mike's Mailing List | Join Mike's Facebook Group | Follow Mike on <br>> >> Twitter | Become Mike's MySpace Friend<br>> >><br>> >> ----- Original Message -----<br>> >> *From:* Chuck Minne <mailto:mincam2@yahoo.com><br>> >> *To:* citizenstruth@six.pairlist.net<br>> >> <mailto:citizenstruth@six.pairlist.net><br>> >> *Sent:* Sunday, October 11, 2009 6:47 PM<br>> >> *Subject:* [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?"<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> Foreign Newspapers on Obama’s Nobel Prize Victory<br>> >><br>> >> October 10th, 2009 | By: Michael van der Galien<br>> >> <http://www.poligazette.com/author/michael-van-der-galien/><br>> >> Tags: Barack Obama <http://www.poligazette.com/tag/barack-obama/>,<br>> >> News <http://www.poligazette.com/tag/news/>, Nobel Peace Prize<br>> >> <http://www.poligazette.com/tag/nobel-peace-prize/>, PoliGazette<br>> >> <http://www.poligazette.com/tag/poligazette/>, Politics<br>> >> <http://www.poligazette.com/tag/politics/><br>> >> Leave a comment<br>> >> <br>> >> <http://www.poligazette.com/2009/10/10/foreign-newspapers-on-obamas-nobel-prize-victory/#respond><br>> >> | Trackback<br>> >> <br>> >> <http://www.poligazette.com/2009/10/10/foreign-newspapers-on-obamas-nobel-prize-victory/trackback/><br>> >><br>> >> obama nobel peace prize<br>> >> The left-wing NRC Handelsblad<br>> >> <http://weblogs.nrc.nl/commentaar/2009/10/09/bedwelmd-door-hoop/><br>> >> (Netherlands): ”What got into the committee to award this prize to<br>> >> a man who has yet to live up to the high expectations? *Were they<br>> >> drunk?”*<br>> >> Center-left to center Volkskrant<br>> >> <http://extra.volkskrant.nl/opinie/commentaar><br>> >> (Netherlands): ”It’s clear that Obama has increasingly more<br>> >> difficulty meeting expectations. His inspiring words about peace<br>> >> and deproliferation have yet to be supported by any concrete<br>> >> results. What is meant to be a reward [for great achievements],<br>> >> could very well end up being tremendous burden for Obama.”<br>> >> The right-of-center Telegraaf<br>> >> <br>> >> <http://telegraaf-i.telegraaf.nl/daily/2009/10/10/TE/TE_2S_20091010_3/articles/artikel_TE_2S_20091010_3_172.php><br>> >> (Netherlands): “This isn’t the first mistake of the Committee, but<br>> >> it is the biggest. The value of the Nobel Peace Prize has been<br>> >> diminished.”<br>> >> Benedict Brogan, writing for the British newspaper the Telegraph<br>> >> <br>> >> <http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/benedictbrogan/100013071/nobel-prize-for-president-obama-is-a-shocker-he-should-turn-it-down/>:<br>> >> “To reward him for a blank results sheet, to inflate him when he<br>> >> has no achievements to his name, makes a mockery of what, let’s<br>> >> face it, is an already fairly discredited process (remember<br>> >> Rigoberta Menchu in 1992? Ha!). That’s not the point. What this<br>> >> does is accelerate the elevation of President Obama to a comedy<br>> >> confection, which he does not deserve, and gives his critics yet<br>> >> another bat to whack him with. Shame on the Swedes Norwegians*. He<br>> >> should turn it down, even if he does look great in white tie and<br>> >> tails.”<br>> >> The Times of London<br>> >> <br>> >> <http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6867711.ece>:<br>> >> “Rarely has an award had such an obvious political and partisan<br>> >> intent. It was clearly seen by the Norwegian Nobel committee as a<br>> >> way of expressing European gratitude for an end to the Bush<br>> >> Administration, approval for the election of America’s first black<br>> >> president and hope that Washington will honour its promise to<br>> >> re-engage with the world.<br>> >> “Instead, the prize risks looking preposterous in its claims,<br>> >> patronising in its intentions and demeaning in its attempt to<br>> >> build up a man who has barely begun his period in office, let<br>> >> alone achieved any tangible outcome for peace.”<br>> >> Left-wing rag the Guardian<br>> >> <br>> >> <http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/09/barack-obama-nobel-prize-why>:<br>> >> “Indeed, the reasoning behind the awarding of the prize to<br>> >> previous American presidents has been easier to discern. Teddy<br>> >> Roosevelt opened the court of arbitration in the Hague and helped<br>> >> mediate a peace treaty between Russia and Japan; Woodrow Wilson<br>> >> was the founder of the League of Nations. Jimmy Carter won his<br>> >> prize for his “untiring efforts to find peaceful solutions to<br>> >> international conflicts”.<br>> >> “Which is what makes the awarding of this year’s prize to a<br>> >> president who has been in office for a mere nine months an odd<br>> >> departure. It is as if the prize committee had been persuaded to<br>> >> give the award on the future delivery of promises.”<br>> >> The Sydney Morning Herald<br>> >> <br>> >> <http://www.smh.com.au/world/they-think-he-can-obama-wins-nobel-peace-prize-20091009-gqwu.html>:<br>> >> “YES, surprisingly, he could. Barack Obama, is the shock choice<br>> >> for the Nobel Peace Prize, less than a year after his election as<br>> >> U.S. President.”<br>> >> Il Giornale<br>> >> <br>> >> <http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/09/international-media-reactions-obama-peace-prize/><br>> >> (Italy): “Let me be clear: the discourse on Islam in Cairo was<br>> >> beautiful, tall, and it opens up new horizons, but did not lead to<br>> >> anything. And on the other matter, as pointed out repeatedly in<br>> >> this blog, Obama has been evasive or inconclusive, starting with<br>> >> Iran and Afghanistan. Nor can he boast the merits of rapprochement<br>> >> with North Korea, which was brought about by Bill Clinton. He kept<br>> >> only one real promise: the gradual withdrawal from Iraq. Enough to<br>> >> deserve the Nobel Prize?”<br>> >> Center-left the Spiegel<br>> >> <http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,654251,00.html><br>> >> (Germany): “The Nobel Peace Prize has come too early for Barack<br>> >> Obama. The US president cannot point to any real diplomatic<br>> >> successes to date and there are few prospects of any to come.”<br>> >> National Post<br>> >> <br>> >> <http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/10/09/jonathan-kay-giving-barack-obama-the-nobel-peace-prize-is-ridiculous.aspx><br>> >> (Canada): “Obama is being given his award for mere words — for<br>> >> striking fashionable poses in favour of multilateralism, for<br>> >> making a nice speech in Cairo, for offering “hope.” Months after<br>> >> Americans learned to dismiss Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign<br>> >> slogans as the meaningless bromides they were, Scandinavians are<br>> >> still drinking his Kool-aid.”<br>> >><br>> >> "*_most of those bankrupted by medical problems had health<br>> >> insurance"_*<br>> >> *_"Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to <br>> >> college."_*<br>> >> *_"Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health<br>> >> insurance."_*<br>> >> *Medical problems contributed to nearly two-thirds (62.1 percent)<br>> >> of all bankruptcies in 2007*, according to a study in the August<br>> >> issue of the American Journal of Medicine that was published today<br>> >> online. The data were collected prior to the current economic<br>> >> downturn and hence likely understate the current burden of<br>> >> financial suffering. Between 2001 and 2007, the proportion of all<br>> >> bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6<br>> >> percent. The authors’ previous 2001 findings have been widely<br>> >> cited by policy leaders, including President Obama.<br>> >> *_Surprisingly, most of those bankrupted by medical problems had<br>> >> health insurance. More than three-quarters (77.9 percent) were<br>> >> insured at the start of the bankrupting illness,_* including 60.3<br>> >> percent who had private coverage. Most of the medically bankrupt<br>> >> were solidly middle class before financial disaster hit.<br>> >> *_Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to<br>> >> college._* In many cases, high medical bills coincided with a loss<br>> >> of income as illness forced breadwinners to lose time from work.<br>> >> *_Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health<br>> >> insurance._*<br>> >> From:<br>> >> <br>> >> http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/content/more-medical-bankruptcy-have-insurance-go-bankrupt<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> "*_most of those bankrupted by medical problems had health<br>> >> insurance"_*<br>> >> *_"Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to <br>> >> college."_*<br>> >> *_"Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health<br>> >> insurance."_*<br>> >> *Medical problems contributed to nearly two-thirds (62.1 percent)<br>> >> of all bankruptcies in 2007*, according to a study in the August<br>> >> issue of the American Journal of Medicine that was published today<br>> >> online. The data were collected prior to the current economic<br>> >> downturn and hence likely understate the current burden of<br>> >> financial suffering. Between 2001 and 2007, the proportion of all<br>> >> bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6<br>> >> percent. The authors’ previous 2001 findings have been widely<br>> >> cited by policy leaders, including President Obama.<br>> >> *_Surprisingly, most of those bankrupted by medical problems had<br>> >> health insurance. More than three-quarters (77.9 percent) were<br>> >> insured at the start of the bankrupting illness,_* including 60.3<br>> >> percent who had private coverage. Most of the medically bankrupt<br>> >> were solidly middle class before financial disaster hit.<br>> >> *_Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to<br>> >> college._* In many cases, high medical bills coincided with a loss<br>> >> of income as illness forced breadwinners to lose time from work.<br>> >> *_Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health<br>> >> insurance._*<br>> >> From:<br>> >> <br>> >> http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/content/more-medical-bankruptcy-have-insurance-go-bankrupt<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> >> _______________________________________________<br>> >> CitizensTruth mailing list<br>> >> CitizensTruth@six.pairlist.net<br>> >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth<br>> >> website: http://citizenstruth.info<br>> >><br>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> >><br>> >> _______________________________________________<br>> >> CitizensTruth mailing list<br>> >> CitizensTruth@six.pairlist.net<br>> >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth<br>> >> website: http://citizenstruth.info<br>> >> <br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> CitizensTruth mailing list<br>> CitizensTruth@six.pairlist.net<br>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth<br>> website: http://citizenstruth.info<br> <br /><hr />Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. <a href='http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/' target='_new'>Get it now.</a></body>
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