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yea I hear you Geri<br><br>I'm not saying I don't have hope about anything or that it is not useful in a being optimistic kind of way, just think relying on it too much can be a bit paralyzing.<br><br>AR<br><br><br><br>> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:48:31 -0500<br>> From: geri@thetwofacesofmoney.com<br>> To: aroyboy44@hotmail.com<br>> CC: snug.bug@hotmail.com; dimension04@sbcglobal.net; citizenstruth@six.pairlist.net<br>> Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?"<br>> <br>> Andrew,<br>> <br>> EXCELLENT points made about hope - as usual.<br>> <br>> However, I find hope to be my saving grace - without it I personally <br>> might be tempted to either jump off a cliff , drown myself in toxic <br>> drugs and alcohol, or camp out in front of my TV till I died a more or <br>> less natural death.<br>> <br>> g<br>> <br>> andrew ritter wrote:<br>> > The "Prize" is more proof that the propaganda machine is a global <br>> > operation. Put him up on a global peace pedestal and people will <br>> > ignore his actions. Orwell continues to be right. War = Peace in <br>> > today's society. Lets look at some of Barack's peaceful accomplishments:<br>> ><br>> > - Continue to wage a never-ending war for oil and land and contracts <br>> > and resources in Iraq while calling it a 'withdrawal'.<br>> > - Step up the troop level and killing of civilians and "terrorists" in <br>> > Afghanistan while taking control of as much of the opium trade as possible<br>> > - Order tons of illegal drone strikes in Pakistan<br>> > - Quietly order and carry out a coup of the leadership in Honduras. <br>> > Ignore that the citizens of that country are living in a nightmare <br>> > scenario of martial law <br>> > - Continue torturing prisoners abroad and suppress photographs that <br>> > show abuse and make sure no one involved in torture in the past ever <br>> > gets held accountable<br>> > - Help your Big pharma buddies to make a killing off the swine flu <br>> > while helping to spread the disease further through the already proven <br>> > to be dangerous nasal vaccines.<br>> > - Make constant threats to Iran while carrying out military drills <br>> > that prepare your troops for a possible war there<br>> > - Refuse to meet with the Dali Lama because you don't want to upset China<br>> > - Quietly conduct military operations in Somalia<br>> > - Bail out the rich cause they need it while the unemployment rate <br>> > goes up and up and up<br>> ><br>> > I have to disagree about hope. Hope is a paralyzing and passive <br>> > emotion. They want you to sit on your but and "hope" while they <br>> > continue to steal and murder. My advice is to ditch all of your hope <br>> > and instead do something about whatever you are "hoping" on. Because <br>> > hope is completely disempowering. You are letting go of your ability <br>> > to affect the world in a real and active way and putting all your <br>> > "hopes" in the hands of the ruling elite who do not give 2 sticks of <br>> > butter about you except to the extent that they can use and abuse you. <br>> ><br>> > Actions speak louder then words and peace prizes.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > <br>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> > From: snug.bug@hotmail.com<br>> > To: dimension04@sbcglobal.net; geri@thetwofacesofmoney.com<br>> > Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:52:50 -0700<br>> > CC: citizenstruth@six.pairlist.net<br>> > Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?"<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Obama lost me when he voted for the telecom wiretap immunity bill<br>> > after promising that he would filibuster to oppose it. He never <br>> > explained<br>> > why he voted for it. He was a constitutional scholar and he understood<br>> > the issues, and he was a lawyer who understood that the bill would stop<br>> > the 50 pending lawsuits' discovery process that would have revealed the<br>> > depth and breadth of the wiretap violations.<br>> ><br>> > I would like to believe that he's a good guy who will at some dramatic<br>> > point whip off his Bush-lite mask and show us who he really is, but I<br>> > already went through that process with Kerry. Through the whole<br>> > Ohio recount process in 2004 I kept telling everybody--"You just watch,<br>> > the Democrats know what they're doing. This is a trap for Bush." I was<br>> > wrong.<br>> ><br>> > From 2006 to 2008 the Dems told us "We must appease and concentrate<br>> > on winning the next election." So now that it's won, we must keep on<br>> > appeasing? On his third day in office Obama declared his contempt for<br>> > international law, the Nuremberg Principles, the UN, and simple human<br>> > decency by ordering drone missile attacks on Pakistan that killed 14<br>> > civilians. He's a war criminal.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > <br>> ><br>> ><br>> > > From: dimension04@sbcglobal.net<br>> > > To: geri@thetwofacesofmoney.com<br>> > > Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:11:47 -0500<br>> > > CC: citizenstruth@six.pairlist.net<br>> > > Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?"<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > > Good and well-informed points, as always, Geri.<br>> > ><br>> > > Re, the "hope" thing. A LITTLE more to it than that is my surprise that<br>> > > given a potential 4-8 years in office, there's so much conviction, <br>> > it seems,<br>> > > that in less than one year he's a Failure, or worse. Could all this be<br>> > > "premature speculation"?<br>> > ><br>> > > I think his rise to power is founded on his natural abilities -- BUT, I<br>> > > understand that like Kucinich, all the natural abilities in the <br>> > world can't<br>> > > "get you there" if you don't have the backing of the powers-that-be.<br>> > ><br>> > > I still wonder whether They are using Barack -- or given time, it <br>> > will turn<br>> > > out that he has used Them. That it's been his strategy all along to use<br>> > > them to get to where, well actually -- to where he CAME FROM and <br>> > bless the<br>> > > world with it -- and that would be his mom's and grandma's life-long<br>> > > grooming to truly love and help humanity.<br>> > ><br>> > > The ptb, or mom and gram. Hmmmmm...which will it turn out to be...<br>> > ><br>> > > ?<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > > ----- Original Message -----<br>> > > From: "Geri Perry" <geri@thetwofacesofmoney.com><br>> > > To: "Connie Smith" <dimension04@sbcglobal.net><br>> > > Cc: "Chuck Minne" <mincam2@yahoo.com>; <citizenstruth@six.pairlist.net><br>> > > Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 6:24 PM<br>> > > Subject: Re: [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?"<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > > > And there is yet another perspective . . .<br>> > > ><br>> > > > This one holds that Obama, like so many before him, is little more <br>> > than a<br>> > > > puppet.<br>> > > ><br>> > > > How else can we explain his meteoric rise from total obscurity to <br>> > become-<br>> > > > in one giant leap - president of the Unite States, and tainted no <br>> > less by<br>> > > > the same Rezco scandal that so heavily damaged the Blago image?<br>> > > ><br>> > > > We can guess who pulls the strings, but following the money is a good<br>> > > > start.<br>> > > ><br>> > > > Amazingly poor timing was evident when Obama convened his war <br>> > council for<br>> > > > crucial talks on Afghan strategy within hours after being named Nobel<br>> > > > Peace Laureate. This may be due to the fact that, as Chalmers Johnson<br>> > > > posits in Sorrows of Empire, CentCom pulls the shots on foreign <br>> > policy,<br>> > > > not the pres. (Or maybe now its NATO?)<br>> > > ><br>> > > > I'm no fan of Michael Moore but there is something to be said for <br>> > those<br>> > > > who at least HOPE the president will do right by the people and <br>> > not the<br>> > > > money power. Wishful thinking in the face of current facts, but <br>> > WAY better<br>> > > > than actually "hoping he will fail" as Rush Limbaugh has publicly AND<br>> > > > wrongly asserted.<br>> > > ><br>> > > > Geri P<br>> > > ><br>> > > > Connie Smith wrote:<br>> > > >> Or...we could consider another point of view:<br>> > > >><br>> > > >> *Get Off Obama's Back ...second thoughts from Michael Moore*<br>> > > >><br>> > > >> Saturday, October 10th, 2009<br>> > > >><br>> > > >> Friends,<br>> > > >><br>> > > >> ...I went back and re-read what I had written. And _I listened <br>> > for far<br>> > > >> too long yesterday to the right wing hate machine who did what <br>> > they could<br>> > > >> to crap all over Barack's big day. Did I -- and others on the <br>> > left -- do<br>> > > >> the same? _<br>> > > >><br>> > > >> We are weary, weary of war. The trillions that will have gone to <br>> > these<br>> > > >> two wars have helped to bankrupt us as a nation -- financially and<br>> > > >> morally. To think of all the good we could have done with all <br>> > that money!<br>> > > >> Two months of the War in Iraq would pay for all the wells that <br>> > need to be<br>> > > >> dug in the Third World for drinking water! Obama is moving too <br>> > slow for<br>> > > >> most of us -- but he needs to know we are with him and we stand <br>> > beside<br>> > > >> him as he attempts to turn eight years of sheer madness around. <br>> > Who could<br>> > > >> do that in nine months? Superman? Thor? Mitch McConnell?<br>> > > >><br>> > > >> Instead of waiting to see what the president is going to do, we <br>> > all need<br>> > > >> to be pro-active and push the agenda that we want to see enacted. <br>> > What<br>> > > >> keeps us from forming the same local groups we put together to <br>> > get out<br>> > > >> the vote last November? C'mon! We're the majority now -- the <br>> > majority by<br>> > > >> a significant margin! We call the shots -- and we need to tell <br>> > this wimpy<br>> > > >> Congress to get busy and do what we say -- or else.<br>> > > >><br>> > > >> All I ask of those who voted for Obama is to not pile on him too <br>> > quickly.<br>> > > >> Yes, make your voice heard (his phone number is 202-456-1414). <br>> > But don't<br>> > > >> abandon the best hope we've had in our lifetime for change. And <br>> > for God's<br>> > > >> sake, don't head to bummerville if he says or does something we <br>> > don't<br>> > > >> like. Do you ever see Republicans behave that way? I mean, the <br>> > Right had<br>> > > >> 20 years of Republican presidents and they still couldn't get <br>> > prayer in<br>> > > >> the public schools, or outlaw abortion, or initiate a flat tax or <br>> > put our<br>> > > >> Social Security into the stock market. They did a lot of damage, <br>> > no doubt<br>> > > >> about that, but on the key issues that the Christian Right fought <br>> > for,<br>> > > >> they came up nearly empty handed. No wonder they've been driven <br>> > crazy<br>> > > >> lately. They'll never have it as good again as they've had it since<br>> > > >> Reagan took office.<br>> > > >><br>> > > >> But -- do you ever see them looking all gloomy and defeated? No! <br>> > They<br>> > > >> keep on fighting! Every day. Our side? At the first sign of <br>> > wavering, we<br>> > > >> just pack up our toys and go home.<br>> > > >><br>> > > >> So, at least for this weekend, let us celebrate what people <br>> > elsewhere are<br>> > > >> celebrating -- that America now has a sane and smart man in the <br>> > White<br>> > > >> House, a man who truly wants a world at peace for his two daughters.<br>> > > >><br>> > > >> Many, for the past couple days (yes, myself included), have <br>> > grumbled,<br>> > > >> "What has he done to earn this prize?" How 'bout this:<br>> > > >><br>> > > >> The simple fact that he was elected was reason enough for him to <br>> > be the<br>> > > >> recipient of this year's Nobel Peace Prize.<br>> > > >><br>> > > >> Because on that day the murderous actions of the Bush/Cheney <br>> > years were<br>> > > >> totally and thoroughly rebuked. One man -- a man who opposed the <br>> > War in<br>> > > >> Iraq from the beginning -- offered to end the insanity. The world <br>> > has<br>> > > >> stood by in utter horror for the past eight years as they watched <br>> > the<br>> > > >> descendants of Washington, Lincoln and Jefferson light the fuse <br>> > of our<br>> > > >> own self-destruction. We flipped off the nations on this planet by<br>> > > >> abandoning Kyoto and then proceeded to melt eight more years <br>> > worth of the<br>> > > >> polar ice caps. We invaded two nations that didn't attack us, <br>> > failed to<br>> > > >> find the real terrorists and, in effect, ignited our own wave of <br>> > terror.<br>> > > >> People all over the world wondered if we had gone mad.<br>> > > >><br>> > > >> And if all that wasn't enough, the outgoing Joker presided over <br>> > the worst<br>> > > >> global financial collapse since the Great Depression.<br>> > > >><br>> > > >> So, yeah, at precisely 11:00pm ET on November 4, 2008, Barack <br>> > Obama won<br>> > > >> the Nobel Peace Prize. And the 66 million people who voted for <br>> > him won<br>> > > >> it, too. By the time he took the stage at midnight ET in the <br>> > Grant Park<br>> > > >> Historic Hippie Battlefield in downtown Chicago, billions of people<br>> > > >> around the globe were already breathing a huge sigh of relief. It <br>> > was as<br>> > > >> if, in that instant, one man did bring the promise of peace to the<br>> > > >> world -- and most were ready to go wherever he wanted to go to <br>> > achieve<br>> > > >> that end. Never before had the election of one man made every other<br>> > > >> nation feel like they had won, too. When you've got billions of <br>> > people<br>> > > >> ready, willing and able to join a cause like this, well, a prize <br>> > in Oslo<br>> > > >> is the least that you deserve.<br>> > > >><br>> > > >> One other thought. The Peace Prize historically has been given to <br>> > those<br>> > > >> who have worked to throw off the yoke of racial discrimination and<br>> > > >> segregation (Martin Luther King, Jr., Desmond Tutu). I think the <br>> > Nobel<br>> > > >> committee, in awarding Obama the prize, was also rewarding the <br>> > fact that<br>> > > >> something profound had happened in a nation that was founded on <br>> > racial<br>> > > >> genocide, built on racist slavery, and held back for a <br>> > hundred-plus years<br>> > > >> by vestiges of hateful bigotry (which can still be found on <br>> > display at<br>> > > >> teabagger rallies and daily talk radio). The fact that this one <br>> > man could<br>> > > >> cause this seismic historical event to occur -- and to do so with <br>> > such<br>> > > >> grace and humility, never succumbing to the bait, but still not <br>> > backing<br>> > > >> down (yes, he asked to be sworn in as "Barack Hussein Obama"!) -- <br>> > is more<br>> > > >> than reason enough he should be in Oslo to meet the King on <br>> > December 10.<br>> > > >> Maybe he could take us along with him. 'Cause I also suspect the <br>> > Nobel<br>> > > >> committee was tipping its hat to all of us -- we, the American <br>> > people,<br>> > > >> had conquered some of our racism and did the truly unexpected. After<br>> > > >> seeing searing images of our black fellow citizens left to drown <br>> > in New<br>> > > >> Orleans -- and poor whites seeing their own treated no better <br>> > than the<br>> > > >> black man they had been raised to hate -- we had all seen enough. <br>> > It was<br>> > > >> time for change.<br>> > > >><br>> > > >> Thank you, Barack Obama, for giving us the opportunity to redeem<br>> > > >> ourselves. Now for the tasks ahead. We need you to do all that you<br>> > > >> promised to do. We need it. The world needs it.<br>> > > >><br>> > > >> My prediction for the future? You become the first *two-time* <br>> > winner of<br>> > > >> the Nobel Peace Prize! Yeah!<br>> > > >><br>> > > >> Fred (that's Norwegian for "Peace"),<br>> > > >> Michael Moore<br>> > > >> MMFlint@aol.com<br>> > > >> MichaelMoore.com<br>> > > >><br>> > > >><br>> > > >> Join Mike's Mailing List | Join Mike's Facebook Group | Follow <br>> > Mike on<br>> > > >> Twitter | Become Mike's MySpace Friend<br>> > > >><br>> > > >> ----- Original Message -----<br>> > > >> *From:* Chuck Minne <mailto:mincam2@yahoo.com><br>> > > >> *To:* citizenstruth@six.pairlist.net<br>> > > >> <mailto:citizenstruth@six.pairlist.net><br>> > > >> *Sent:* Sunday, October 11, 2009 6:47 PM<br>> > > >> *Subject:* [CitizensTruth] "Were They Drunk?"<br>> > > >><br>> > > >><br>> > > >> Foreign Newspapers on Obama’s Nobel Prize Victory<br>> > > >><br>> > > >> October 10th, 2009 | By: Michael van der Galien<br>> > > >> <http://www.poligazette.com/author/michael-van-der-galien/><br>> > > >> Tags: Barack Obama <http://www.poligazette.com/tag/barack-obama/>,<br>> > > >> News <http://www.poligazette.com/tag/news/>, Nobel Peace Prize<br>> > > >> <http://www.poligazette.com/tag/nobel-peace-prize/>, PoliGazette<br>> > > >> <http://www.poligazette.com/tag/poligazette/>, Politics<br>> > > >> <http://www.poligazette.com/tag/politics/><br>> > > >> Leave a comment<br>> > > >><br>> > > >> <br>> > <http://www.poligazette.com/2009/10/10/foreign-newspapers-on-obamas-nobel-prize-victory/#respond><br>> > > >> | Trackback<br>> > > >><br>> > > >> <br>> > <http://www.poligazette.com/2009/10/10/foreign-newspapers-on-obamas-nobel-prize-victory/trackback/><br>> > > >><br>> > > >> obama nobel peace prize<br>> > > >> The left-wing NRC Handelsblad<br>> > > >> <http://weblogs.nrc.nl/commentaar/2009/10/09/bedwelmd-door-hoop/><br>> > > >> (Netherlands): ”What got into the committee to award this prize to<br>> > > >> a man who has yet to live up to the high expectations? *Were they<br>> > > >> drunk?”*<br>> > > >> Center-left to center Volkskrant<br>> > > >> <http://extra.volkskrant.nl/opinie/commentaar><br>> > > >> (Netherlands): ”It’s clear that Obama has increasingly more<br>> > > >> difficulty meeting expectations. His inspiring words about peace<br>> > > >> and deproliferation have yet to be supported by any concrete<br>> > > >> results. What is meant to be a reward [for great achievements],<br>> > > >> could very well end up being tremendous burden for Obama.”<br>> > > >> The right-of-center Telegraaf<br>> > > >><br>> > > >> <br>> > <http://telegraaf-i.telegraaf.nl/daily/2009/10/10/TE/TE_2S_20091010_3/articles/artikel_TE_2S_20091010_3_172.php><br>> > > >> (Netherlands): “This isn’t the first mistake of the Committee, but<br>> > > >> it is the biggest. The value of the Nobel Peace Prize has been<br>> > > >> diminished.”<br>> > > >> Benedict Brogan, writing for the British newspaper the Telegraph<br>> > > >><br>> > > >> <br>> > <http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/benedictbrogan/100013071/nobel-prize-for-president-obama-is-a-shocker-he-should-turn-it-down/>:<br>> > > >> “To reward him for a blank results sheet, to inflate him when he<br>> > > >> has no achievements to his name, makes a mockery of what, let’s<br>> > > >> face it, is an already fairly discredited process (remember<br>> > > >> Rigoberta Menchu in 1992? Ha!). That’s not the point. What this<br>> > > >> does is accelerate the elevation of President Obama to a comedy<br>> > > >> confection, which he does not deserve, and gives his critics yet<br>> > > >> another bat to whack him with. Shame on the Swedes Norwegians*. He<br>> > > >> should turn it down, even if he does look great in white tie and<br>> > > >> tails.”<br>> > > >> The Times of London<br>> > > >><br>> > > >> <br>> > <http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6867711.ece>:<br>> > > >> “Rarely has an award had such an obvious political and partisan<br>> > > >> intent. It was clearly seen by the Norwegian Nobel committee as a<br>> > > >> way of expressing European gratitude for an end to the Bush<br>> > > >> Administration, approval for the election of America’s first black<br>> > > >> president and hope that Washington will honour its promise to<br>> > > >> re-engage with the world.<br>> > > >> “Instead, the prize risks looking preposterous in its claims,<br>> > > >> patronising in its intentions and demeaning in its attempt to<br>> > > >> build up a man who has barely begun his period in office, let<br>> > > >> alone achieved any tangible outcome for peace.”<br>> > > >> Left-wing rag the Guardian<br>> > > >><br>> > > >> <br>> > <http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/09/barack-obama-nobel-prize-why>:<br>> > > >> “Indeed, the reasoning behind the awarding of the prize to<br>> > > >> previous American presidents has been easier to discern. Teddy<br>> > > >> Roosevelt opened the court of arbitration in the Hague and helped<br>> > > >> mediate a peace treaty between Russia and Japan; Woodrow Wilson<br>> > > >> was the founder of the League of Nations. Jimmy Carter won his<br>> > > >> prize for his “untiring efforts to find peaceful solutions to<br>> > > >> international conflicts”.<br>> > > >> “Which is what makes the awarding of this year’s prize to a<br>> > > >> president who has been in office for a mere nine months an odd<br>> > > >> departure. It is as if the prize committee had been persuaded to<br>> > > >> give the award on the future delivery of promises.”<br>> > > >> The Sydney Morning Herald<br>> > > >><br>> > > >> <br>> > <http://www.smh.com.au/world/they-think-he-can-obama-wins-nobel-peace-prize-20091009-gqwu.html>:<br>> > > >> “YES, surprisingly, he could. Barack Obama, is the shock choice<br>> > > >> for the Nobel Peace Prize, less than a year after his election as<br>> > > >> U.S. President.”<br>> > > >> Il Giornale<br>> > > >><br>> > > >> <br>> > <http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/09/international-media-reactions-obama-peace-prize/><br>> > > >> (Italy): “Let me be clear: the discourse on Islam in Cairo was<br>> > > >> beautiful, tall, and it opens up new horizons, but did not lead to<br>> > > >> anything. And on the other matter, as pointed out repeatedly in<br>> > > >> this blog, Obama has been evasive or inconclusive, starting with<br>> > > >> Iran and Afghanistan. Nor can he boast the merits of rapprochement<br>> > > >> with North Korea, which was brought about by Bill Clinton. He kept<br>> > > >> only one real promise: the gradual withdrawal from Iraq. Enough to<br>> > > >> deserve the Nobel Prize?”<br>> > > >> Center-left the Spiegel<br>> > > >> <http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,654251,00.html><br>> > > >> (Germany): “The Nobel Peace Prize has come too early for Barack<br>> > > >> Obama. The US president cannot point to any real diplomatic<br>> > > >> successes to date and there are few prospects of any to come.”<br>> > > >> National Post<br>> > > >><br>> > > >> <br>> > <http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/10/09/jonathan-kay-giving-barack-obama-the-nobel-peace-prize-is-ridiculous.aspx><br>> > > >> (Canada): “Obama is being given his award for mere words — for<br>> > > >> striking fashionable poses in favour of multilateralism, for<br>> > > >> making a nice speech in Cairo, for offering “hope.” Months after<br>> > > >> Americans learned to dismiss Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign<br>> > > >> slogans as the meaningless bromides they were, Scandinavians are<br>> > > >> still drinking his Kool-aid.”<br>> > > >><br>> > > >> "*_most of those bankrupted by medical problems had health<br>> > > >> insurance"_*<br>> > > >> *_"Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to<br>> > > >> college."_*<br>> > > >> *_"Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health<br>> > > >> insurance."_*<br>> > > >> *Medical problems contributed to nearly two-thirds (62.1 percent)<br>> > > >> of all bankruptcies in 2007*, according to a study in the August<br>> > > >> issue of the American Journal of Medicine that was published today<br>> > > >> online. The data were collected prior to the current economic<br>> > > >> downturn and hence likely understate the current burden of<br>> > > >> financial suffering. Between 2001 and 2007, the proportion of all<br>> > > >> bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6<br>> > > >> percent. The authors’ previous 2001 findings have been widely<br>> > > >> cited by policy leaders, including President Obama.<br>> > > >> *_Surprisingly, most of those bankrupted by medical problems had<br>> > > >> health insurance. More than three-quarters (77.9 percent) were<br>> > > >> insured at the start of the bankrupting illness,_* including 60.3<br>> > > >> percent who had private coverage. Most of the medically bankrupt<br>> > > >> were solidly middle class before financial disaster hit.<br>> > > >> *_Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to<br>> > > >> college._* In many cases, high medical bills coincided with a loss<br>> > > >> of income as illness forced breadwinners to lose time from work.<br>> > > >> *_Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health<br>> > > >> insurance._*<br>> > > >> From:<br>> > > >><br>> > > >> <br>> > http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/content/more-medical-bankruptcy-have-insurance-go-bankrupt<br>> > > >><br>> > > >><br>> > > >> "*_most of those bankrupted by medical problems had health<br>> > > >> insurance"_*<br>> > > >> *_"Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to<br>> > > >> college."_*<br>> > > >> *_"Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health<br>> > > >> insurance."_*<br>> > > >> *Medical problems contributed to nearly two-thirds (62.1 percent)<br>> > > >> of all bankruptcies in 2007*, according to a study in the August<br>> > > >> issue of the American Journal of Medicine that was published today<br>> > > >> online. The data were collected prior to the current economic<br>> > > >> downturn and hence likely understate the current burden of<br>> > > >> financial suffering. Between 2001 and 2007, the proportion of all<br>> > > >> bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6<br>> > > >> percent. The authors’ previous 2001 findings have been widely<br>> > > >> cited by policy leaders, including President Obama.<br>> > > >> *_Surprisingly, most of those bankrupted by medical problems had<br>> > > >> health insurance. More than three-quarters (77.9 percent) were<br>> > > >> insured at the start of the bankrupting illness,_* including 60.3<br>> > > >> percent who had private coverage. Most of the medically bankrupt<br>> > > >> were solidly middle class before financial disaster hit.<br>> > > >> *_Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to<br>> > > >> college._* In many cases, high medical bills coincided with a loss<br>> > > >> of income as illness forced breadwinners to lose time from work.<br>> > > >> *_Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health<br>> > > >> insurance._*<br>> > > >> From:<br>> > > >><br>> > > >> <br>> > http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/content/more-medical-bankruptcy-have-insurance-go-bankrupt<br>> > > >><br>> > > >><br>> > > >><br>> > > >> <br>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> > > >> _______________________________________________<br>> > > >> CitizensTruth mailing list<br>> > > >> CitizensTruth@six.pairlist.net<br>> > > >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth<br>> > > >> website: http://citizenstruth.info<br>> > > >><br>> > > >> <br>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> > > >><br>> > > >> _______________________________________________<br>> > > >> CitizensTruth mailing list<br>> > > >> CitizensTruth@six.pairlist.net<br>> > > >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth<br>> > > >> website: http://citizenstruth.info<br>> > > >><br>> > ><br>> > > _______________________________________________<br>> > > CitizensTruth mailing list<br>> > > CitizensTruth@six.pairlist.net<br>> > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/citizenstruth<br>> > > website: http://citizenstruth.info<br>> ><br>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. 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