From Mark at rauterkus.com Mon Aug 22 15:40:30 2022 From: Mark at rauterkus.com (Mark Rauterkus) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2022 15:40:30 -0400 Subject: [CLOH-News] Fwd: Coaching profession In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, What a summer for me. More on that later. Today on the Facebook Swim Coaches Idea Exchange a thread came up about the high volume of coaching openings. We need to grow the profession, I think. Let?s kick around some ideas. And this email can help jump start the discussion too. Mark ISCA WEBMASTER ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Diane Jones Date: Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 3:18 PM Subject: Coaching profession To: Hi Mark, I'm interested in what you are trying to do. I coach for a small Catholic high school one county west of St. Louis County. We swim at a 6-lane YMCA that is the only indoor pool in a county of 105,000 and growing rather quickly. There isn't much swim culture out here. The young people who were the first generation to do swimming out here are now old enough to coach, but it's hard to get anyone to make a commitment. The boys' program needed someone in a hurry--I'd worked with the guys for three weeks last year. So I've stepped up. This is what I've done for the girls program too, five years before. Now I am a 60 year-old woman coaching both. It's cool, I love doing it. I don't look at the stipend and start calculating hours worked and what that turns out to be hourly. Instead, I look at what I can do to help get these kids the best training for their skill level, individual attention, etc. I love and care about kids, and that helps me, I think. I will say that it's a bit daunting to come into this from rec coaching other sports. I had a great masters coach, and I use a lot of those drills and sets. I do have to say that I find a lot of coaching ideas, etc., are pretty filled with jargon. I understand them conceptually, but to apply them in a real practice--with no assistant--it's too much for one person. I really wish there were some materials, especially specific to high school coaching. I do think baby boomers -- I was born in 1962 -- tend to have a strong work ethic, and most likely have emptied the nest of their own youth and high school athletes. But there has to be a training path that is more basic, and less jargon-filled. I happen to be a very motivated person, so I've gone the extra mile on my own. I think there needs to be training that better suits the specific coaching role a person might take. I've noticed with my own kids just how pervasive club sports have become in every sport. When my older two, now 35 and 33, were middle school age playing soccer (and everything else), the big deal was to put together a local team to practice in the summer to go to Missouri State Show Me Games. One weekend with hotel. Done. By the time my youngest, now 25, was that age, the better athletes were doing club soccer--three practices a week, far from where we live, lots of games. We found coaches that were highly skilled, but didn't require a year-round commitment. St. Louis has a lot of great soccer tournaments--so we played in the ones we could drive to. The expectation now, too, is that parents are supposed to be there for every single game or meet in which their kids are competing. Multiply that by multiple kids, multiple sports, and the expectation is mom and dad will be at games/meets most nights of the week between them. Basketball was the same way. Swimming is getting to be the same way. When I played field hockey and swam in high school, most parents did not come to the games. I graduated in 1980. The other thing is this "stay to play" tournaments--where a team outside a defined geographic range must book at least 8 rooms from a partner hotel, as a condition of participation. These parents then end up out of town lots to stay in hotels, rack up expenses. This puts a strain on everyone. The young people who have kids of their own, the veterans in their 30's and 40's are in the thick of this with their own kids. Meanwhile, I have a 4 year-old granddaughter who started dancing at 3, going to field hockey training at 3 (I kid you not.) Anyway, those are some thoughts I have. Curious what you are looking at... Take care, Diane -- Diane Jones Varsity Boys & Girls Swim Coach St. Francis Borgia High School diane.jones at borgia.com *The information contained in this e-mail message and any attachments is confidential and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. It may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail message in error, please immediately notify the sender by telephone, and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. Thank you.* From gcarpouzis at yahoo.ca Tue Aug 23 03:08:28 2022 From: gcarpouzis at yahoo.ca (George Carpouzis) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 07:08:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [CLOH-News] Fwd: Coaching profession In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: <1430636873.1252847.1661238508203@mail.yahoo.com> What do you think is the problem that there is a lack of swimming coaches?? A low salary?? Are we burnt out?? The passion is still there, but.... Hope everyone is well! George Carpouzis, OLY Aquatics Coordinator Bishop Mackenzie International SchoolLilongwe, Malawi On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 09:40:45 p.m. GMT+2, Mark Rauterkus wrote: Hi, What a summer for me. More on that later. Today on the Facebook Swim Coaches Idea Exchange a thread came up about the high volume of coaching openings. We need to grow the profession, I think. Let?s kick around some ideas. And this email can help jump start the discussion too. Mark ISCA WEBMASTER ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Diane Jones Date: Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 3:18 PM Subject: Coaching profession To: Hi Mark, I'm interested in what you are trying to do. I coach for a small Catholic high school one county west of St. Louis County.? We swim at a 6-lane YMCA that is the only indoor pool in a county of 105,000 and growing rather quickly.? There isn't much swim culture out here. The young people who were the first generation to do swimming out here are now old enough to coach, but it's hard to get anyone to make a commitment. The boys' program needed someone in a hurry--I'd worked with the guys for three weeks last year.? So I've stepped up.? This is what I've done for the girls program too, five years before.? Now I am a 60 year-old woman coaching both. It's cool, I love doing it.? I don't look at the stipend and start calculating hours worked and what that turns out to be hourly.? Instead, I look at what I can do to help get these kids the best training for their skill level, individual attention, etc.? I love and care about kids, and that helps me, I think. I will say that it's a bit daunting to come into this from rec coaching other sports.? I had a great masters coach, and I use a lot of those drills and sets.? I do have to say that I find a lot of coaching ideas, etc., are pretty filled with jargon.? I understand them conceptually, but to apply them in a real practice--with no assistant--it's too much for one person. I really wish there were some materials, especially specific to high school coaching. I do think baby boomers -- I was born in 1962 -- tend to have a strong work ethic, and most likely have emptied the nest of their own youth and high school athletes.? But there has to be a training path that is more basic, and less jargon-filled.? I happen to be a very motivated person, so I've gone the extra mile on my own. I think there needs to be training that better suits the specific coaching role a person might take. I've noticed with my own kids just how pervasive club sports have become in every sport.? When my older two, now 35 and 33, were middle school age playing soccer (and everything else), the big deal was to put together a local team to practice in the summer to go to Missouri State Show Me Games.? One weekend with hotel.? Done.? By the time my youngest, now 25, was that age, the better athletes were doing club soccer--three practices a week, far from where we live, lots of games.? We found coaches that were highly skilled, but didn't require a year-round commitment.? St. Louis has a lot of great soccer tournaments--so we played in the ones we could drive to. The expectation now, too, is that parents are supposed to be there for every single game or meet in which their kids are competing.? Multiply that by multiple kids, multiple sports, and the expectation is mom and dad will be at games/meets most nights of the week between them.? Basketball was the same way.? Swimming is getting to be the same way.? When I played field hockey and swam in high school, most parents did not come to the games.? I graduated in 1980. The other thing is this "stay to play" tournaments--where a team outside a defined geographic range must book at least 8 rooms from a partner hotel, as a condition of participation.? These parents then end up out of town lots to stay in hotels, rack up expenses. This puts a strain on everyone.? The young people who have kids of their own, the veterans in their 30's and 40's are in the thick of this with their own kids. Meanwhile, I have a 4 year-old granddaughter who started dancing at 3, going to field hockey training at 3 (I kid you not.) Anyway, those are some thoughts I have. Curious what you are looking at... Take care, Diane -- Diane Jones Varsity Boys & Girls Swim Coach St. Francis Borgia High School diane.jones at borgia.com *The information contained in this e-mail message and any attachments is confidential and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. It may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail message in error, please immediately notify the sender by telephone, and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. 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<1430636873.1252847.1661238508203@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I think that we are looking at 2 problems to keep coaches in the sport. 1) Pay expectations; the amount of money that is available to pay, and what the next generation is expecting for their "expertise". Potential coaches look at built and strong clubs that can pay what they want, and too many are past the point of wanting to build something. 2) Parents have become even more of an issue post COVID. Lots of loud voices, no real knowledge, and a frustration to teach the parents from the coaches end. Any other thoughts? Mike Cunningham Donner Swim Club Head Coach Columbus North High School Head Coach On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 3:08 AM George Carpouzis via CLOH-News < cloh-news at six.pairlist.net> wrote: > What do you think is the problem that there is a lack of swimming > coaches? A low salary? Are we burnt out? The passion is still there, > but.... > Hope everyone is well! > George Carpouzis, OLY > Aquatics Coordinator > Bishop Mackenzie International SchoolLilongwe, Malawi > > On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 09:40:45 p.m. GMT+2, Mark Rauterkus < > mark at rauterkus.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > What a summer for me. More on that later. > > Today on the Facebook Swim Coaches Idea Exchange a thread came up about the > high volume of coaching openings. > > We need to grow the profession, I think. > > Let?s kick around some ideas. And this email can help jump start the > discussion too. > > Mark > ISCA WEBMASTER > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: Diane Jones > Date: Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 3:18 PM > Subject: Coaching profession > To: > > > Hi Mark, > > I'm interested in what you are trying to do. > > I coach for a small Catholic high school one county west of St. Louis > County. We swim at a 6-lane YMCA that is the only indoor pool in a county > of 105,000 and growing rather quickly. There isn't much swim culture out > here. > > The young people who were the first generation to do swimming out here are > now old enough to coach, but it's hard to get anyone to make a commitment. > The boys' program needed someone in a hurry--I'd worked with the guys for > three weeks last year. So I've stepped up. This is what I've done for the > girls program too, five years before. Now I am a 60 year-old woman > coaching both. > > It's cool, I love doing it. I don't look at the stipend and start > calculating hours worked and what that turns out to be hourly. Instead, I > look at what I can do to help get these kids the best training for their > skill level, individual attention, etc. I love and care about kids, and > that helps me, I think. > > I will say that it's a bit daunting to come into this from rec coaching > other sports. I had a great masters coach, and I use a lot of those drills > and sets. I do have to say that I find a lot of coaching ideas, etc., are > pretty filled with jargon. I understand them conceptually, but to apply > them in a real practice--with no assistant--it's too much for one person. > > I really wish there were some materials, especially specific to high school > coaching. > > I do think baby boomers -- I was born in 1962 -- tend to have a strong work > ethic, and most likely have emptied the nest of their own youth and high > school athletes. But there has to be a training path that is more basic, > and less jargon-filled. I happen to be a very motivated person, so I've > gone the extra mile on my own. I think there needs to be training that > better suits the specific coaching role a person might take. > > I've noticed with my own kids just how pervasive club sports have become in > every sport. When my older two, now 35 and 33, were middle school age > playing soccer (and everything else), the big deal was to put together a > local team to practice in the summer to go to Missouri State Show Me > Games. One weekend with hotel. Done. By the time my youngest, now 25, > was that age, the better athletes were doing club soccer--three practices a > week, far from where we live, lots of games. We found coaches that were > highly skilled, but didn't require a year-round commitment. St. Louis has > a lot of great soccer tournaments--so we played in the ones we could drive > to. > > The expectation now, too, is that parents are supposed to be there for > every single game or meet in which their kids are competing. Multiply that > by multiple kids, multiple sports, and the expectation is mom and dad will > be at games/meets most nights of the week between them. Basketball was the > same way. Swimming is getting to be the same way. When I played field > hockey and swam in high school, most parents did not come to the games. I > graduated in 1980. > > The other thing is this "stay to play" tournaments--where a team outside a > defined geographic range must book at least 8 rooms from a partner hotel, > as a condition of participation. These parents then end up out of town > lots to stay in hotels, rack up expenses. > > This puts a strain on everyone. The young people who have kids of their > own, the veterans in their 30's and 40's are in the thick of this with > their own kids. > > Meanwhile, I have a 4 year-old granddaughter who started dancing at 3, > going to field hockey training at 3 (I kid you not.) > > Anyway, those are some thoughts I have. > > Curious what you are looking at... > > Take care, > > Diane > > -- > Diane Jones > Varsity Boys & Girls Swim Coach > St. Francis Borgia High School > diane.jones at borgia.com > > *The information contained in this e-mail message and any attachments is > confidential and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity > named above. It may contain information that is privileged or exempt from > disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you > are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this > communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail > message in error, please immediately notify the sender by telephone, and > destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. Thank you.* > _______________________________________________ > CLOH-News mailing list > CLOH-News at six.pairlist.net > https://pairlist6.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/cloh-news > > More at http://CLOH.wikia.com > > _______________________________________________ > CLOH-News mailing list > CLOH-News at six.pairlist.net > https://pairlist6.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/cloh-news > > More at http://CLOH.wikia.com > From coachmkavanaugh at gmail.com Tue Aug 23 08:15:04 2022 From: coachmkavanaugh at gmail.com (Michael Kavanaugh) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 12:15:04 +0000 Subject: [CLOH-News] Fwd: Coaching profession In-Reply-To: References:

<1430636873.1252847.1661238508203@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: My input would be as follows: Culture should be the number one priority and communication of clear program goals. I can only speak from my experiences and am sure others will have far different than me. Once a solid culture is identified and implemented a lot of issues with parents should be resolved. Don?t get me wrong, there will always be problem families, but we have to be willing to meet with families and hear them out while also correcting them (education). The ones who leave are not a part of what you want to do. I?ll add more to the pay raise echoes by Mike C. The identity of your program and what you want to do are massive in identifying the type of team you want to be. Do you want to be a professional team or a recreational team? Professional teams will require more resources across the board. The leadership and continuity of leadership has to be aligned with the head coach. The rates and what services are provided should align here. As an industry, we are dependent on the health of the economy and the health of a families employment situation. This might be a new tough time for some programs as the job layoffs are being announced and inflation is effecting the pocket books of our families. In this aspect, I do believe working with families in a one off situation is the right thing to do. Recruitment of coaches is tough. I?d love to hear others thoughts on this?. Have a great day everyone! ? Mike Mike Kavanaugh | Senior Head Coach Life Time Michigan M.S., SSDC, NASM - PES, CES, ISCA,ASCA Level 4 ?The greatest teacher, failure is." -- Yoda ________________________________ From: CLOH-News on behalf of Mike Cunningham Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2022 8:01:11 AM To: Mark.Rauterkus at gmail.com Cc: cloh-news at six.pairlist.net Subject: Re: [CLOH-News] Fwd: Coaching profession I think that we are looking at 2 problems to keep coaches in the sport. 1) Pay expectations; the amount of money that is available to pay, and what the next generation is expecting for their "expertise". Potential coaches look at built and strong clubs that can pay what they want, and too many are past the point of wanting to build something. 2) Parents have become even more of an issue post COVID. Lots of loud voices, no real knowledge, and a frustration to teach the parents from the coaches end. Any other thoughts? Mike Cunningham Donner Swim Club Head Coach Columbus North High School Head Coach On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 3:08 AM George Carpouzis via CLOH-News < cloh-news at six.pairlist.net> wrote: > What do you think is the problem that there is a lack of swimming > coaches? A low salary? Are we burnt out? The passion is still there, > but.... > Hope everyone is well! > George Carpouzis, OLY > Aquatics Coordinator > Bishop Mackenzie International SchoolLilongwe, Malawi > > On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 09:40:45 p.m. GMT+2, Mark Rauterkus < > mark at rauterkus.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > What a summer for me. More on that later. > > Today on the Facebook Swim Coaches Idea Exchange a thread came up about the > high volume of coaching openings. > > We need to grow the profession, I think. > > Let?s kick around some ideas. And this email can help jump start the > discussion too. > > Mark > ISCA WEBMASTER > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: Diane Jones > Date: Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 3:18 PM > Subject: Coaching profession > To: > > > Hi Mark, > > I'm interested in what you are trying to do. > > I coach for a small Catholic high school one county west of St. Louis > County. We swim at a 6-lane YMCA that is the only indoor pool in a county > of 105,000 and growing rather quickly. There isn't much swim culture out > here. > > The young people who were the first generation to do swimming out here are > now old enough to coach, but it's hard to get anyone to make a commitment. > The boys' program needed someone in a hurry--I'd worked with the guys for > three weeks last year. So I've stepped up. This is what I've done for the > girls program too, five years before. Now I am a 60 year-old woman > coaching both. > > It's cool, I love doing it. I don't look at the stipend and start > calculating hours worked and what that turns out to be hourly. Instead, I > look at what I can do to help get these kids the best training for their > skill level, individual attention, etc. I love and care about kids, and > that helps me, I think. > > I will say that it's a bit daunting to come into this from rec coaching > other sports. I had a great masters coach, and I use a lot of those drills > and sets. I do have to say that I find a lot of coaching ideas, etc., are > pretty filled with jargon. I understand them conceptually, but to apply > them in a real practice--with no assistant--it's too much for one person. > > I really wish there were some materials, especially specific to high school > coaching. > > I do think baby boomers -- I was born in 1962 -- tend to have a strong work > ethic, and most likely have emptied the nest of their own youth and high > school athletes. But there has to be a training path that is more basic, > and less jargon-filled. I happen to be a very motivated person, so I've > gone the extra mile on my own. I think there needs to be training that > better suits the specific coaching role a person might take. > > I've noticed with my own kids just how pervasive club sports have become in > every sport. When my older two, now 35 and 33, were middle school age > playing soccer (and everything else), the big deal was to put together a > local team to practice in the summer to go to Missouri State Show Me > Games. One weekend with hotel. Done. By the time my youngest, now 25, > was that age, the better athletes were doing club soccer--three practices a > week, far from where we live, lots of games. We found coaches that were > highly skilled, but didn't require a year-round commitment. St. Louis has > a lot of great soccer tournaments--so we played in the ones we could drive > to. > > The expectation now, too, is that parents are supposed to be there for > every single game or meet in which their kids are competing. Multiply that > by multiple kids, multiple sports, and the expectation is mom and dad will > be at games/meets most nights of the week between them. Basketball was the > same way. Swimming is getting to be the same way. When I played field > hockey and swam in high school, most parents did not come to the games. I > graduated in 1980. > > The other thing is this "stay to play" tournaments--where a team outside a > defined geographic range must book at least 8 rooms from a partner hotel, > as a condition of participation. These parents then end up out of town > lots to stay in hotels, rack up expenses. > > This puts a strain on everyone. The young people who have kids of their > own, the veterans in their 30's and 40's are in the thick of this with > their own kids. > > Meanwhile, I have a 4 year-old granddaughter who started dancing at 3, > going to field hockey training at 3 (I kid you not.) > > Anyway, those are some thoughts I have. > > Curious what you are looking at... > > Take care, > > Diane > > -- > Diane Jones > Varsity Boys & Girls Swim Coach > St. Francis Borgia High School > diane.jones at borgia.com > > *The information contained in this e-mail message and any attachments is > confidential and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity > named above. It may contain information that is privileged or exempt from > disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you > are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this > communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail > message in error, please immediately notify the sender by telephone, and > destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. Thank you.* > _______________________________________________ > CLOH-News mailing list > CLOH-News at six.pairlist.net > https://pairlist6.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/cloh-news > > More at http://CLOH.wikia.com > > _______________________________________________ > CLOH-News mailing list > CLOH-News at six.pairlist.net > https://pairlist6.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/cloh-news > > More at http://CLOH.wikia.com > _______________________________________________ CLOH-News mailing list CLOH-News at six.pairlist.net https://pairlist6.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/cloh-news More at http://CLOH.wikia.com From mark.rauterkus at gmail.com Tue Aug 23 09:30:15 2022 From: mark.rauterkus at gmail.com (Mark Rauterkus) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 09:30:15 -0400 Subject: [CLOH-News] FWD: Coaching Profession Message-ID: Hi, Another voice, Scott's, chimes in.directly. He emailed. I saw your facebook comment on the Swim Coaches Idea Exchange Group: "If anyone wants to devote some talent and effort to discuss and rebuild our profession, ping me. I have some ideas that need some eyeballs and constructive feedback." I don't know what to expect, but I'm excited! I guess I'll introduce myself. I've been coaching and doing lessons since I was 15; I'm 28 now. My biggest chunk of experience was 5 years coaching full time (36 practice hours per week, plus meets) at Machine Aquatics in PVS. I relocated to the Knoxville area where I am now the head coach of a small team with about 70 swimmers, the Sevier Aquatic Club. I love coaching and am very grateful to have a job that I enjoy! I have a small website to write down my swimming ideas that I'm both proud of and too embarrassed to share with anyone I personally know. You can check it out here CoachScottMayo.com Looking forward to hearing from you! Scott Mayo -- Ta. Mark Rauterkus Mark at Rauterkus.com Webmaster, International Swim Coaches Association, SwimISCA.org Executive Director of SKWIM USA, a 501(c)(3), SKWIM.us The Pittsburgh Project - swim coach and head lifeguard Coach at The Ellis School for Swimming, T&F and Triathlon Pittsburgh Combined Water Polo Team & Renegades (Masters) CLOH.org & Rauterkus.com & 4Rs.org 412 298 3432 = cell From sally at autocoachsport.com Tue Aug 23 17:11:48 2022 From: sally at autocoachsport.com (sally at autocoachsport.com) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 07:11:48 +1000 Subject: [CLOH-News] Fwd: Coaching profession In-Reply-To: References:

<1430636873.1252847.1661238508203@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000b01d8b734$f7172060$e5456120$@autocoachsport.com> Hi Mark 1. How to reach the "Pay expectations"? following is looking the strong clubs that can pay what they want. Now the problem is turning to club growing problem. 2. "Have a coach, to be your own coach", that will be a coach and swimmers require? Parents can be the key for building up the strong clubs. Lewis Burras said: ?If you have that ability to be confident around water, to feel safe in water, you can take that with you for the rest of your life". The real-time racing timing system and live data insights for clubs, coaches and swimmers - can "accelerated" swimming development If you have any queries please call me on +61 419527660 Best Wishes, Sally Li Director Autocoach Pty. Ltd. Postal Address: Suite 1508, 1 Queen Road, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia 3004. O +61 3 9029 0973 E sally at autocoach.com.au W www.autocoach.com.au -----Original Message----- From: CLOH-News On Behalf Of Mike Cunningham Sent: Tuesday, 23 August 2022 10:01 PM To: Mark.Rauterkus at gmail.com Cc: cloh-news at six.pairlist.net Subject: Re: [CLOH-News] Fwd: Coaching profession I think that we are looking at 2 problems to keep coaches in the sport. 1) Pay expectations; the amount of money that is available to pay, and what the next generation is expecting for their "expertise". Potential coaches look at built and strong clubs that can pay what they want, and too many are past the point of wanting to build something. 2) Parents have become even more of an issue post COVID. Lots of loud voices, no real knowledge, and a frustration to teach the parents from the coaches end. Any other thoughts? Mike Cunningham Donner Swim Club Head Coach Columbus North High School Head Coach On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 3:08 AM George Carpouzis via CLOH-News < cloh-news at six.pairlist.net> wrote: > What do you think is the problem that there is a lack of swimming > coaches? A low salary? Are we burnt out? The passion is still > there, but.... > Hope everyone is well! > George Carpouzis, OLY > Aquatics Coordinator > Bishop Mackenzie International SchoolLilongwe, Malawi > > On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 09:40:45 p.m. GMT+2, Mark Rauterkus > < mark at rauterkus.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > What a summer for me. More on that later. > > Today on the Facebook Swim Coaches Idea Exchange a thread came up > about the high volume of coaching openings. > > We need to grow the profession, I think. > > Let?s kick around some ideas. And this email can help jump start the > discussion too. > > Mark > ISCA WEBMASTER > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: Diane Jones > Date: Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 3:18 PM > Subject: Coaching profession > To: > > > Hi Mark, > > I'm interested in what you are trying to do. > > I coach for a small Catholic high school one county west of St. Louis > County. We swim at a 6-lane YMCA that is the only indoor pool in a > county of 105,000 and growing rather quickly. There isn't much swim > culture out here. > > The young people who were the first generation to do swimming out here > are now old enough to coach, but it's hard to get anyone to make a commitment. > The boys' program needed someone in a hurry--I'd worked with the guys > for three weeks last year. So I've stepped up. This is what I've > done for the girls program too, five years before. Now I am a 60 > year-old woman coaching both. > > It's cool, I love doing it. I don't look at the stipend and start > calculating hours worked and what that turns out to be hourly. > Instead, I look at what I can do to help get these kids the best > training for their skill level, individual attention, etc. I love and > care about kids, and that helps me, I think. > > I will say that it's a bit daunting to come into this from rec > coaching other sports. I had a great masters coach, and I use a lot > of those drills and sets. I do have to say that I find a lot of > coaching ideas, etc., are pretty filled with jargon. I understand > them conceptually, but to apply them in a real practice--with no assistant--it's too much for one person. > > I really wish there were some materials, especially specific to high > school coaching. > > I do think baby boomers -- I was born in 1962 -- tend to have a strong > work ethic, and most likely have emptied the nest of their own youth > and high school athletes. But there has to be a training path that is > more basic, and less jargon-filled. I happen to be a very motivated > person, so I've gone the extra mile on my own. I think there needs to > be training that better suits the specific coaching role a person might take. > > I've noticed with my own kids just how pervasive club sports have > become in every sport. When my older two, now 35 and 33, were middle > school age playing soccer (and everything else), the big deal was to > put together a local team to practice in the summer to go to Missouri > State Show Me Games. One weekend with hotel. Done. By the time my > youngest, now 25, was that age, the better athletes were doing club > soccer--three practices a week, far from where we live, lots of games. > We found coaches that were highly skilled, but didn't require a > year-round commitment. St. Louis has a lot of great soccer > tournaments--so we played in the ones we could drive to. > > The expectation now, too, is that parents are supposed to be there for > every single game or meet in which their kids are competing. Multiply > that by multiple kids, multiple sports, and the expectation is mom and > dad will be at games/meets most nights of the week between them. > Basketball was the same way. Swimming is getting to be the same way. > When I played field hockey and swam in high school, most parents did > not come to the games. I graduated in 1980. > > The other thing is this "stay to play" tournaments--where a team > outside a defined geographic range must book at least 8 rooms from a > partner hotel, as a condition of participation. These parents then > end up out of town lots to stay in hotels, rack up expenses. > > This puts a strain on everyone. The young people who have kids of > their own, the veterans in their 30's and 40's are in the thick of > this with their own kids. > > Meanwhile, I have a 4 year-old granddaughter who started dancing at 3, > going to field hockey training at 3 (I kid you not.) > > Anyway, those are some thoughts I have. > > Curious what you are looking at... > > Take care, > > Diane > > -- > Diane Jones > Varsity Boys & Girls Swim Coach > St. Francis Borgia High School > diane.jones at borgia.com > > *The information contained in this e-mail message and any attachments > is confidential and is intended only for the use of the individual or > entity named above. It may contain information that is privileged or > exempt from disclosure under applicable law. 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Thank you.* > _______________________________________________ > CLOH-News mailing list > CLOH-News at six.pairlist.net > https://pairlist6.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/cloh-news > > More at http://CLOH.wikia.com > > _______________________________________________ > CLOH-News mailing list > CLOH-News at six.pairlist.net > https://pairlist6.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/cloh-news > > More at http://CLOH.wikia.com > _______________________________________________ CLOH-News mailing list CLOH-News at six.pairlist.net https://pairlist6.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/cloh-news More at http://CLOH.wikia.com From mark.rauterkus at gmail.com Tue Aug 23 21:05:43 2022 From: mark.rauterkus at gmail.com (Mark Rauterkus) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 21:05:43 -0400 Subject: [CLOH-News] Coaching Profession, my concept map Message-ID: Hi, Thanks for the comments. Here is my concept map on the topic as to where I want to push and pull the profession in our journey. https://map.swimisca.org/growing-the-swim-coaching-profession-discussions/ I'll build up the comments on that blog post so as to share some insights sent to me. Then I'll go back to the Facebook group / thread, Swim Coaching Idea Exchange too. Hope some of you can digest some of this and still help out. There is plenty to do and heavy lifting is needed. -- Ta. Mark Rauterkus Mark at Rauterkus.com Webmaster, International Swim Coaches Association, SwimISCA.org Executive Director of SKWIM USA, a 501(c)(3), SKWIM.us The Pittsburgh Project - swim coach and head lifeguard Coach at The Ellis School for Swimming, T&F and Triathlon Pittsburgh Combined Water Polo Team & Renegades (Masters) CLOH.org & Rauterkus.com & 4Rs.org 412 298 3432 = cell From Mark at rauterkus.com Mon Aug 22 15:40:30 2022 From: Mark at rauterkus.com (Mark Rauterkus) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2022 15:40:30 -0400 Subject: [CLOH-News] Fwd: Coaching profession In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, What a summer for me. More on that later. Today on the Facebook Swim Coaches Idea Exchange a thread came up about the high volume of coaching openings. We need to grow the profession, I think. Let?s kick around some ideas. And this email can help jump start the discussion too. Mark ISCA WEBMASTER ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Diane Jones Date: Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 3:18 PM Subject: Coaching profession To: Hi Mark, I'm interested in what you are trying to do. I coach for a small Catholic high school one county west of St. Louis County. We swim at a 6-lane YMCA that is the only indoor pool in a county of 105,000 and growing rather quickly. There isn't much swim culture out here. The young people who were the first generation to do swimming out here are now old enough to coach, but it's hard to get anyone to make a commitment. The boys' program needed someone in a hurry--I'd worked with the guys for three weeks last year. So I've stepped up. This is what I've done for the girls program too, five years before. Now I am a 60 year-old woman coaching both. It's cool, I love doing it. I don't look at the stipend and start calculating hours worked and what that turns out to be hourly. Instead, I look at what I can do to help get these kids the best training for their skill level, individual attention, etc. I love and care about kids, and that helps me, I think. I will say that it's a bit daunting to come into this from rec coaching other sports. I had a great masters coach, and I use a lot of those drills and sets. I do have to say that I find a lot of coaching ideas, etc., are pretty filled with jargon. I understand them conceptually, but to apply them in a real practice--with no assistant--it's too much for one person. I really wish there were some materials, especially specific to high school coaching. I do think baby boomers -- I was born in 1962 -- tend to have a strong work ethic, and most likely have emptied the nest of their own youth and high school athletes. But there has to be a training path that is more basic, and less jargon-filled. I happen to be a very motivated person, so I've gone the extra mile on my own. I think there needs to be training that better suits the specific coaching role a person might take. I've noticed with my own kids just how pervasive club sports have become in every sport. When my older two, now 35 and 33, were middle school age playing soccer (and everything else), the big deal was to put together a local team to practice in the summer to go to Missouri State Show Me Games. One weekend with hotel. Done. By the time my youngest, now 25, was that age, the better athletes were doing club soccer--three practices a week, far from where we live, lots of games. We found coaches that were highly skilled, but didn't require a year-round commitment. St. Louis has a lot of great soccer tournaments--so we played in the ones we could drive to. The expectation now, too, is that parents are supposed to be there for every single game or meet in which their kids are competing. Multiply that by multiple kids, multiple sports, and the expectation is mom and dad will be at games/meets most nights of the week between them. Basketball was the same way. Swimming is getting to be the same way. When I played field hockey and swam in high school, most parents did not come to the games. I graduated in 1980. The other thing is this "stay to play" tournaments--where a team outside a defined geographic range must book at least 8 rooms from a partner hotel, as a condition of participation. These parents then end up out of town lots to stay in hotels, rack up expenses. This puts a strain on everyone. The young people who have kids of their own, the veterans in their 30's and 40's are in the thick of this with their own kids. Meanwhile, I have a 4 year-old granddaughter who started dancing at 3, going to field hockey training at 3 (I kid you not.) Anyway, those are some thoughts I have. Curious what you are looking at... Take care, Diane -- Diane Jones Varsity Boys & Girls Swim Coach St. Francis Borgia High School diane.jones at borgia.com *The information contained in this e-mail message and any attachments is confidential and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. It may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail message in error, please immediately notify the sender by telephone, and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. Thank you.* From gcarpouzis at yahoo.ca Tue Aug 23 03:08:28 2022 From: gcarpouzis at yahoo.ca (George Carpouzis) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 07:08:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [CLOH-News] Fwd: Coaching profession In-Reply-To: References: