[dcc2] Multi headers + metadata

Phoenix Fyrestar miyako_houou at comcast.net
Thu Apr 29 19:50:33 EDT 2004


No, what I was saying was that, though there are indeed some problems with 
using SSL (how valid are self-signed certificates) or other methods, it still 
does provide some security (like a garage door, pretty secure, but if  
someone is watching at the right time they can still slip in), and might be 
better than nothing,  provided there is ample warning that this method is not 
completely secure.

On Thursday 29 April 2004 06:34 pm, codemastr wrote:
> > Agreed, but to take if farther than that, the end user shouldn't even
> > have
>
> to
>
> > know what a key is in order to get at least some level of encryption. 
> > I'm not saying that the more secure option of being able to get a key
> > from someone in a secure manner should be excluded, but that at some
> > point we
>
> need
>
> > to settle for "safe enough is good enough" and leave it at that.
>
> If there is no exchange of a key (be it public or private), then what
> you're talking about is something like ROT13. And that's not encryption,
> that's just "scrambling." If you're unfamiliar with ROT13, basically it
> takes each letter (non-letters are not scrambled), and it moves each
> character 13 positions through the alphabet in a circular fashion. But as I
> said, that's not encryption, that's just scrambling it. It really provides
> no security at all. It's like saying, "test123" -> "321tset" is encryption;
> It is not. Anyone who is even slightly familiar with the algorithm can
> decode it. In my mind, no protection is better than a false sense of
> protection. Basically, what you're asking for here is a lock on a door that
> provides security, but has no locking mechanism. Well, if it has no locking
> mechanism, then how is it a lock? You want an encryption algorithm (lock)
> that has no key (locking mechanism). If it has no key, then anyone can
> decode it with relative ease.
>
> -- codemastr
>
>
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