[dcc2] dcc multiuser chat

[Mark Cilia-Vincenti]

>Surely, for multi user chats, IRC channels should be used, this does seem a
>lot like re-inventing the wheel, and going to the point of embedding a
>fully functional IM client within an irc client which can already access
>perfectly good chat networks.

I disagree with this.

Reasons being:
- server lag
- privacy issues
- having to decide on a common network
- ignorancy of the average user who wouldn't know basic channel
creation/control.

-----Original Message-----
From: dcc2-bounces at dcc2.org [mailto:dcc2-bounces at dcc2.org] On Behalf Of
Craig Edwards
Sent: 10 May 2004 05:55
To: DCC2 Working Group List
Subject: Re: Re: [dcc2] dcc multiuser chat

there needs to be some form of control, leaving the chat by choice might
JUST be good enough.

Lets consider this hypothetical situation. A bot supports DCC2 chats. Part
of the spec is multi user chats.

User A is socially engineered to invite user B into their private encrypted
chat with a bot. User B then joins the multi user chat, the bot is powerless
to do anything (short of 'leave' the conversation maybe) and user B could
then have access to all the bot's commands. At worst, if the bot leaves,
user B has created a denial of service causing the user A's connection to
the bot to be servered.

Surely, for multi user chats, IRC channels should be used, this does seem a
lot like re-inventing the wheel, and going to the point of embedding a fully
functional IM client within an irc client which can already access perfectly
good chat networks.

Thanks,
Craig

>Hi,
>
>> the idea of a direct partyline/group chat is a good idea however it isn't
something i'd implement personally and
>> probably wont get around to (purely because my bot has its own dcc
partyline with authentication features etc).
>> Something to address here on that note is, if you have a multi user dcc
chat, in a party line, and you invite users
>> A, B, and C, then user C decides to invite "MrIdiot" who nobody else
likes, how do you get rid of him, or even stop
>> him from joining the chat in the first place? In my mind, you'll end up
implementing irc within irc to do this,
>> because youll need kicks, authentication, maybe even split detection (?!)
and possibly even privilage levels in the
>> end, which is a LOT of pointless work, when you can just use the irc
channels provided that lets be honest, if the
>> network is good, dont really split and die that often.
>
>Anything other than simple chat is unncessary, if you dont want someone
>to be in the conversation, you can simply leave it and everyone else
>will leave.
>
>A simple multi-user DCC chat is just nice for stuff where want a step up
>in privacy (not that its much, but you could use encrypted streams etc
>negotiated in the authentication)
>
>It's not really possible to implement control because its easily
>overcome by other users just hacking up or writing their own
>implementations.
>
>Cheers,
>Trent
>
>-- 
>Trent Lloyd <lathiat at bur.st>
>Bur.st Networking Inc.
>
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