From Pedsrusscott at cs.com Mon Oct 6 19:49:43 2008 From: Pedsrusscott at cs.com (Pedsrusscott at cs.com) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 19:49:43 -0400 Subject: isolette transports - non neonate question Message-ID: <1F21F553.439FE378.329B1E73@cs.com> Greetings - I'm looking for input on how other teams transport little ones (not in the nursery/NICU), but from the ER/peds floors (i.e. kid is a few weeks old, but still "little" - Especially for those under 10 or so pounds, do you bring an isolette vs. porta-warmers & pedi-mates? Any experiences welcomed thanx! Scott DeBoer RN,MSN,CFRN,EMT-P Peds-R-Us Medical Education From Christa.Thomas at ucsfmedctr.org Mon Oct 6 19:59:33 2008 From: Christa.Thomas at ucsfmedctr.org (Thomas, Christa) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 16:59:33 -0700 Subject: isolette transports - non neonate question In-Reply-To: <1F21F553.439FE378.329B1E73@cs.com> References: <1F21F553.439FE378.329B1E73@cs.com> Message-ID: For us, if they fit in the isolette, that is how they are transported. Generally these are babies under 5.5 kg, but we have squeezed them in up to 6kg. For babies (non-neonates over 5 kg) and toddlers who are relatively stable (not intubated), we usually prefer a car seat secured to the gurney over the pedi-mate. Christa Thomas, RN Patient Care Manager UCSF Children's Hospital Transport Team -----Original Message----- From: flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com [mailto:flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com] On Behalf Of Pedsrusscott at cs.com Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 4:50 PM To: flightmed at flightweb.com Subject: isolette transports - non neonate question Greetings - I'm looking for input on how other teams transport little ones (not in the nursery/NICU), but from the ER/peds floors (i.e. kid is a few weeks old, but still "little" - Especially for those under 10 or so pounds, do you bring an isolette vs. porta-warmers & pedi-mates? Any experiences welcomed thanx! Scott DeBoer RN,MSN,CFRN,EMT-P Peds-R-Us Medical Education _______________________________________________ Flightmed mailing list To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed From kkharrell at msn.com Mon Oct 6 22:40:06 2008 From: kkharrell at msn.com (Kimberly Harrell) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 22:40:06 -0400 Subject: isolette transports - non neonate question In-Reply-To: <1F21F553.439FE378.329B1E73@cs.com> References: <1F21F553.439FE378.329B1E73@cs.com> Message-ID: It is our policy that all infants under 5 kg must be transported in an isolette. Over 5 kg we use a Pedi-mate on a stretcher. Kim Harrell, RN All Children's Hospital Neonatal / Pediatric Transport Team St Petersburg, Fl ----- Original Message ----- From: Pedsrusscott at cs.com To: flightmed at flightweb.com Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 7:49 PM Subject: isolette transports - non neonate question Greetings - I'm looking for input on how other teams transport little ones (not in the nursery/NICU), but from the ER/peds floors (i.e. kid is a few weeks old, but still "little" - Especially for those under 10 or so pounds, do you bring an isolette vs. porta-warmers & pedi-mates? Any experiences welcomed thanx! Scott DeBoer RN,MSN,CFRN,EMT-P Peds-R-Us Medical Education _______________________________________________ Flightmed mailing list To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed From michtanner at comcast.net Mon Oct 6 23:15:36 2008 From: michtanner at comcast.net (michtanner at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 03:15:36 +0000 Subject: isolette transports - non neonate question Message-ID: <100720080315.6016.48EAD458000708100000178022165384969D0A02020E9B080C0703@comcast.net> Hi - From Salt Lake City! As a general rule, we use the isolette for up to 5 kg, but, we might also use it for larger babies if they need our high frequency ventilatory. The plexiglass top can come off allowing more room for larger babies. We have a velcro-mesh-net-strap system to secure the baby. We might also try to cram a larger baby in if they need the heat provided by the isolette. We don't use weight as a hard and fast rule. For the larger baby we will generally use the pedi-mate, or if not too sick, a carseat. Michelle Tanner Intermountain LifeFlight Newborn -------------- Original message -------------- From: Pedsrusscott at cs.com > Greetings - I'm looking for input on how other teams transport little ones (not > in the nursery/NICU), but from the ER/peds floors (i.e. kid is a few weeks old, > but still "little" - Especially for those under 10 or so pounds, do you bring an > isolette vs. porta-warmers & pedi-mates? Any experiences welcomed > thanx! > Scott DeBoer RN,MSN,CFRN,EMT-P > Peds-R-Us Medical Education > _______________________________________________ > Flightmed mailing list > To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed > From cbaker4481 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 7 08:40:54 2008 From: cbaker4481 at yahoo.com (Chris Baker) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 05:40:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: isolette transports - non neonate question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <902195.74573.qm@web36301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have always used an insolette for any infant under 5kg.? The issue came up when we hit RSV season and there was potential for infectious transfer.? We ended up designating one of our isolettes as the "dirty" one and did not take newborns in that one. ? Chris Baker ? ----- Original Message ----- From: Pedsrusscott at cs.com To: flightmed at flightweb.com Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 7:49 PM Subject: isolette transports - non neonate question Greetings - I'm looking for input on how other teams transport little ones (not in the nursery/NICU), but from the ER/peds floors (i.e. kid is a few weeks old, but still "little" - Especially for those under 10 or so pounds, do you bring an isolette vs. porta-warmers & pedi-mates? Any experiences welcomed thanx! Scott DeBoer RN,MSN,CFRN,EMT-P Peds-R-Us Medical Education _______________________________________________ Flightmed mailing list To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed _______________________________________________ Flightmed mailing list To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed From Mark.Frederick at north-slope.org Tue Oct 7 18:43:18 2008 From: Mark.Frederick at north-slope.org (Mark Frederick) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 14:43:18 -0800 Subject: isolette transports - non neonate question In-Reply-To: <1F21F553.439FE378.329B1E73@cs.com> References: <1F21F553.439FE378.329B1E73@cs.com> Message-ID: The isolette we use has a pediatric conversion option. The bubble is removable and replaced by a mattress, which allows us to still use the monitor, vent, air / oxy cylinder and all the other isolette options. This will accommodate a child up to 50 pounds. Mark Frederick, PA-C Captain, Medevac Operations mark.frederick at north-slope.org North Slope Borough Fire Department Aeromedical Division PO Box 0069 Barrow, Alaska 99723 907-852-0237 x227 W 907-852-0235 F http://www.north-slope.org -----Original Message----- From: flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com [mailto:flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com] On Behalf Of Pedsrusscott at cs.com Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 3:50 PM To: flightmed at flightweb.com Subject: isolette transports - non neonate question Greetings - I'm looking for input on how other teams transport little ones (not in the nursery/NICU), but from the ER/peds floors (i.e. kid is a few weeks old, but still "little" - Especially for those under 10 or so pounds, do you bring an isolette vs. porta-warmers & pedi-mates? Any experiences welcomed thanx! Scott DeBoer RN,MSN,CFRN,EMT-P Peds-R-Us Medical Education _______________________________________________ Flightmed mailing list To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed From BRUST at email.chop.edu Thu Oct 9 14:34:28 2008 From: BRUST at email.chop.edu (Peter Brust) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 14:34:28 -0400 Subject: isolette transports - non neonate question Message-ID: Like some of the others, we use the isolette in almost all children 5 Kg and under. After we utilize a pedimate or the baby pod (up to 10 kg). Let me know if you have additional quesitons. peter Peter Brust, RN, MSN, CMTE, CCRN Nurse Manager Emergency Transport Services Children's Hospital of Philadelphia 34th St and Civic Center Blvd Philadelphia, Pa 19104 215.590.2160 215.590.2268 voice mail 215.590.4868 fax brust at email.chop.edu >>> Pedsrusscott at cs.com 10/6/2008 7:49 PM >>> Greetings - I'm looking for input on how other teams transport little ones (not in the nursery/NICU), but from the ER/peds floors (i.e. kid is a few weeks old, but still "little" - Especially for those under 10 or so pounds, do you bring an isolette vs. porta-warmers & pedi-mates? Any experiences welcomed thanx! Scott DeBoer RN,MSN,CFRN,EMT-P Peds-R-Us Medical Education _______________________________________________ Flightmed mailing list To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: Peter Brust1.vcf Url: From Pedsrusscott at cs.com Mon Oct 13 10:56:40 2008 From: Pedsrusscott at cs.com (Pedsrusscott at cs.com) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:56:40 -0400 Subject: amtc tues am peds jeopardy contestants Message-ID: <4DFC73B2.764E98B4.329B1E73@cs.com> Greetings - On Tuesday AM @ AMTC, I'm presenting Pediatric Pearls & Jeopardy Jewels - It is geared for non-dedicated pediatric transport team members in a really fun, "what I really need to know about sick kids & how to actually remember it" game show (complete with buzzers, prizes,etc) - As Laurie Romig last year put out the call for contestants via flight web for her X-ray wars & had a good response, I'm now doing the same - I'm looking for 6-8 contestants/volunteers to play - Past participants have loved playing the game, especially when the audience yells/screams/etc so if you are willing to play, pls just come sit up front at the tables & let's play thank you!! Scott DeBoer RN,MSN,CFRN Flight Nurse : UCAN Founder : Peds-R-Us From Anthony.Cascio at rwjuh.edu Mon Oct 13 11:20:32 2008 From: Anthony.Cascio at rwjuh.edu (Cascio, Anthony) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:20:32 -0400 Subject: amtc tues am peds jeopardy contestants In-Reply-To: <4DFC73B2.764E98B4.329B1E73@cs.com> Message-ID: <4D6288B9A63BAA4A80EB3EBDF81F665706EF645D@CAPP32A.win.rwjuh.edu> Scott, If you don't mind me asking what software are you using for this presentation? Thanks. Anthony N. Cascio EMS Operations Coordinator Robert Wood Johnson University Hospital www.rwjuh-ems.org -----Original Message----- From: flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com [mailto:flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com] On Behalf Of Pedsrusscott at cs.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 10:57 AM To: flightmed at flightweb.com Subject: amtc tues am peds jeopardy contestants Greetings - On Tuesday AM @ AMTC, I'm presenting Pediatric Pearls & Jeopardy Jewels - It is geared for non-dedicated pediatric transport team members in a really fun, "what I really need to know about sick kids & how to actually remember it" game show (complete with buzzers, prizes,etc) - As Laurie Romig last year put out the call for contestants via flight web for her X-ray wars & had a good response, I'm now doing the same - I'm looking for 6-8 contestants/volunteers to play - Past participants have loved playing the game, especially when the audience yells/screams/etc so if you are willing to play, pls just come sit up front at the tables & let's play thank you!! Scott DeBoer RN,MSN,CFRN Flight Nurse : UCAN Founder : Peds-R-Us _______________________________________________ Flightmed mailing list To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed From Pedsrusscott at cs.com Mon Oct 13 11:23:06 2008 From: Pedsrusscott at cs.com (Pedsrusscott at cs.com) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:23:06 -0400 Subject: amtc tues am peds jeopardy contestants Message-ID: <59D23B57.33CED7F5.329B1E73@cs.com> Hi Anthony - no worries - www.c3visuals.com Scott "Cascio, Anthony" wrote: >Scott, > >If you don't mind me asking what software are you using for this >presentation? ?Thanks. > >Anthony N. Cascio >EMS Operations Coordinator >Robert Wood Johnson University Hospital >www.rwjuh-ems.org > > >-----Original Message----- >From: flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com >[mailto:flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com] On Behalf Of >Pedsrusscott at cs.com >Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 10:57 AM >To: flightmed at flightweb.com >Subject: amtc tues am peds jeopardy contestants > > >Greetings - On Tuesday AM @ AMTC, I'm presenting Pediatric Pearls & >Jeopardy Jewels - It is geared for non-dedicated pediatric transport >team members in a really fun, "what I really need to know about sick >kids & how to actually remember it" game show (complete with buzzers, >prizes,etc) - As Laurie Romig last year put out the call for contestants >via flight web for her X-ray wars & had a good response, I'm now doing >the same - I'm looking for 6-8 contestants/volunteers to play - Past >participants have loved playing the game, especially when the audience >yells/screams/etc so if you are willing to play, pls just come sit up >front at the tables & let's play thank you!! Scott DeBoer RN,MSN,CFRN >Flight Nurse : UCAN Founder : Peds-R-Us >_______________________________________________ >Flightmed mailing list >To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed >_______________________________________________ >Flightmed mailing list >To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed > > From Anthony.Cascio at rwjuh.edu Mon Oct 13 11:30:46 2008 From: Anthony.Cascio at rwjuh.edu (Cascio, Anthony) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:30:46 -0400 Subject: amtc tues am peds jeopardy contestants In-Reply-To: <59D23B57.33CED7F5.329B1E73@cs.com> Message-ID: <4D6288B9A63BAA4A80EB3EBDF81F665706EF6460@CAPP32A.win.rwjuh.edu> Thank you!!! -----Original Message----- From: flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com [mailto:flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com] On Behalf Of Pedsrusscott at cs.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 11:23 AM To: Flightmed Subject: RE: amtc tues am peds jeopardy contestants Hi Anthony - no worries - www.c3visuals.com Scott "Cascio, Anthony" wrote: >Scott, > >If you don't mind me asking what software are you using for this >presentation? ?Thanks. > >Anthony N. Cascio >EMS Operations Coordinator >Robert Wood Johnson University Hospital >www.rwjuh-ems.org > > >-----Original Message----- >From: flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com >[mailto:flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com] On Behalf Of >Pedsrusscott at cs.com >Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 10:57 AM >To: flightmed at flightweb.com >Subject: amtc tues am peds jeopardy contestants > > >Greetings - On Tuesday AM @ AMTC, I'm presenting Pediatric Pearls & >Jeopardy Jewels - It is geared for non-dedicated pediatric transport >team members in a really fun, "what I really need to know about sick >kids & how to actually remember it" game show (complete with buzzers, >prizes,etc) - As Laurie Romig last year put out the call for >contestants via flight web for her X-ray wars & had a good response, >I'm now doing the same - I'm looking for 6-8 contestants/volunteers to >play - Past participants have loved playing the game, especially when >the audience yells/screams/etc so if you are willing to play, pls just >come sit up front at the tables & let's play thank you!! Scott DeBoer >RN,MSN,CFRN Flight Nurse : UCAN Founder : Peds-R-Us >_______________________________________________ >Flightmed mailing list >To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed >_______________________________________________ >Flightmed mailing list >To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed > > _______________________________________________ Flightmed mailing list To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed From jimmnn at comcast.net Mon Oct 13 23:34:47 2008 From: jimmnn at comcast.net (James Richardson) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:34:47 -0600 Subject: Fatal Message-ID: <00cd01c92dad$d47b6ae0$7d7240a0$@net> ICP: ARIZONA DEPT. OF PUBLIC SAFETY *LOSS OF DUTY DEATH* BELL ROCK STATE PARK - Sedona, AZ. It is with deep regret that we announce the Line of Duty Death of a Paramedic with the AZ DPS. The paramedic was hit with the rotor blade from the DPS helicopter while conducting a mountain rescue. No further information is available at this time pending family notification. [ICP-AZ,245m] From Pedsrusscott at cs.com Thu Oct 16 07:48:18 2008 From: Pedsrusscott at cs.com (Pedsrusscott at cs.com) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 07:48:18 -0400 Subject: air angels crash Message-ID: <614708DB.3EDEF129.329B1E73@cs.com> http://webcenters.netscape.compuserve.com/news/story.jsp?floc=DC-headline&sc=1110&idq=/ff/story/0001/20081016/0644487220.htm From jgodfrey at cnmc.org Thu Oct 16 09:06:50 2008 From: jgodfrey at cnmc.org (jgodfrey at cnmc.org) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:06:50 +0000 Subject: air angels crash Message-ID: <1682756731-1224162401-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-388876412-@bxe173.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Very sad news for all. Please remain vigilant and encourage your crews to do the same. None of us are immune from being number 10. ------Original Message------ From: Pedsrusscott at cs.com Sender: flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com To: flightmed at flightweb.com ReplyTo: Flightmed Sent: Oct 16, 2008 07:48 Subject: air angels crash http://webcenters.netscape.compuserve.com/news/story.jsp?floc=DC-headline&sc=1110&idq=/ff/story/0001/20081016/0644487220.htm _______________________________________________ Flightmed mailing list To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed Sent from BlackBerry? Blue skies and tail winds!! Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. From irajb at aol.com Thu Oct 16 09:51:55 2008 From: irajb at aol.com (irajb at aol.com) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:51:55 -0400 Subject: air angels crash In-Reply-To: <614708DB.3EDEF129.329B1E73@cs.com> References: <614708DB.3EDEF129.329B1E73@cs.com> Message-ID: <8CAFDAD7C31A0B0-CA4-2573@webmail-db04.sysops.aol.com> Yep. This sucks. -----Original Message----- From: Pedsrusscott at cs.com To: flightmed at flightweb.com Sent: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 6:48 am Subject: air angels crash http://webcenters.netscape.compuserve.com/news/story.jsp?floc=DC-headline&sc=1110&idq=/ff/story/0001/20081016/0644487220.htm _______________________________________________ Flightmed mailing list To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed From jgodfrey at cnmc.org Thu Oct 16 10:55:59 2008 From: jgodfrey at cnmc.org (jgodfrey at cnmc.org) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:55:59 +0000 Subject: air angels crash In-Reply-To: <8CAFDAD7C31A0B0-CA4-2573@webmail-db04.sysops.aol.com> References: <614708DB.3EDEF129.329B1E73@cs.com><8CAFDAD7C31A0B0-CA4-2573@webmail-db04.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1504718486-1224168950-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-213559752-@bxe173.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Talking to ABC news today ... Any thoughts? Sent from BlackBerry? Blue skies and tail winds!! -----Original Message----- From: irajb at aol.com Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:51:55 To: Subject: Re: air angels crash Yep. This sucks. -----Original Message----- From: Pedsrusscott at cs.com To: flightmed at flightweb.com Sent: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 6:48 am Subject: air angels crash http://webcenters.netscape.compuserve.com/news/story.jsp?floc=DC-headline&sc=1110&idq=/ff/story/0001/20081016/0644487220.htm _______________________________________________ Flightmed mailing list To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed _______________________________________________ Flightmed mailing list To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. From jgodfrey at cnmc.org Thu Oct 16 11:02:18 2008 From: jgodfrey at cnmc.org (jgodfrey at cnmc.org) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:02:18 +0000 Subject: air angels crash Message-ID: <374820924-1224169329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-359374211-@bxe173.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I have asked the same thing and do not think that there is good enough data or tracking of ambulance crashes. ------Original Message------ From: Ronald Bolen To: Jonathan Godfrey To: Flightmed Sent: Oct 16, 2008 10:57 Subject: Re: air angels crash What are the actual statistics in relation to number of flights versus crashes of aircraft compared to crashes of ambulances? Sent from BlackBerry? Blue skies and tail winds!! Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. From jgodfrey at cnmc.org Thu Oct 16 11:03:36 2008 From: jgodfrey at cnmc.org (jgodfrey at cnmc.org) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:03:36 +0000 Subject: air angels crash In-Reply-To: <8CAFDAD7C31A0B0-CA4-2573@webmail-db04.sysops.aol.com> References: <614708DB.3EDEF129.329B1E73@cs.com><8CAFDAD7C31A0B0-CA4-2573@webmail-db04.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1821260583-1224169407-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1372844664-@bxe173.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Look forward to seeing you next week. Sent from BlackBerry? Blue skies and tail winds!! -----Original Message----- From: irajb at aol.com Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:51:55 To: Subject: Re: air angels crash Yep. This sucks. -----Original Message----- From: Pedsrusscott at cs.com To: flightmed at flightweb.com Sent: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 6:48 am Subject: air angels crash http://webcenters.netscape.compuserve.com/news/story.jsp?floc=DC-headline&sc=1110&idq=/ff/story/0001/20081016/0644487220.htm _______________________________________________ Flightmed mailing list To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed _______________________________________________ Flightmed mailing list To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. From irajb at aol.com Thu Oct 16 12:00:54 2008 From: irajb at aol.com (irajb at aol.com) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:00:54 -0400 Subject: air angels crash In-Reply-To: <1504718486-1224168950-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-213559752-@bxe173.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <614708DB.3EDEF129.329B1E73@cs.com><8CAFDAD7C31A0B0-CA4-2573@webmail-db04.sysops.aol.com> <1504718486-1224168950-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-213559752-@bxe173.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <8CAFDBF80DC2D2B-D7C-11D3@WEBMAIL-MY21.sysops.aol.com> I apologize to all for being so blunt in my previous post. ? This has been a particularly tragic year for the air medical community. ?When you wake up to hear about another fatal accident and it involves a neighboring program your immediate response might not be the most appropriate or professional.? But indeed, it?s honest. ? Jonathan ? I have no real advice for talking with the media. ?The facts are what they are.? We have suffered more fatal accidents, more crew fatalities and more patient fatalities than in any calendar year in our history ? and the year is not over.? I can?t imagine if anyone can explain this.? (fyi. . . . I will be presenting an update on?accidents numbers, flight hours, accident rates and more at AMTC next week.) ? ? My thoughts and prayers are with the Air Angels family and the families and friends of those who lost their lives . . . . .and to EVERY flight program, family member and friend who has suffered a similar tragedy. ? Please, PLEASE, P L E A S E. . . .fly safe! ? Ira Blumen -----Original Message----- From: jgodfrey at cnmc.org To: Flightmed Sent: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 9:55 am Subject: Re: air angels crash Talking to ABC news today ... Any thoughts? ent from BlackBerry? Blue skies and tail winds!! -----Original Message----- rom: irajb at aol.com Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:51:55 o: ubject: Re: air angels crash Yep. his sucks. -----Original Message----- rom: Pedsrusscott at cs.com o: flightmed at flightweb.com ent: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 6:48 am ubject: air angels crash http://webcenters.netscape.compuserve.com/news/story.jsp?floc=DC-headline&sc=1110&idq=/ff/story/0001/20081016/0644487220.htm ______________________________________________ lightmed mailing list o unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed ______________________________________________ lightmed mailing list o unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed onfidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for he sole use of the intended ecipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any nauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. f you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail nd destroy all copies of the original message. ______________________________________________ lightmed mailing list o unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed From pdpdop at juno.com Thu Oct 16 12:02:24 2008 From: pdpdop at juno.com (pdpdop at juno.com) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:02:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Juno Auto Response. Re: Flightmed Digest, Vol 61, Issue 6 Message-ID: We will be on vacation Oct 16 - 31 and have limited email access. Dave and Pam From manemtp at yahoo.com Thu Oct 16 13:26:52 2008 From: manemtp at yahoo.com (Michael Nelson) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:26:52 -0500 Subject: air angels crash In-Reply-To: <374820924-1224169329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-359374211-@bxe173.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <374820924-1224169329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-359374211-@bxe173.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: Dr Ira Blumen, out of Chicago (ironically), Is working on a multi-year data analysis plan that has some FAA and industry backing. I would wait with great anticipation of his results. Mike -----Original Message----- From: flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com [mailto:flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com] On Behalf Of jgodfrey at cnmc.org Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 10:02 AM To: Ronald Bolen; Flightmed Subject: Re: air angels crash I have asked the same thing and do not think that there is good enough data or tracking of ambulance crashes. ------Original Message------ From: Ronald Bolen To: Jonathan Godfrey To: Flightmed Sent: Oct 16, 2008 10:57 Subject: Re: air angels crash What are the actual statistics in relation to number of flights versus crashes of aircraft compared to crashes of ambulances? Sent from BlackBerry? Blue skies and tail winds!! Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. 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Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1726 - Release Date: 10/16/2008 7:38 AM From kathykimble at msn.com Thu Oct 16 14:51:31 2008 From: kathykimble at msn.com (Kathy Kimble) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:51:31 -0400 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Please post to mailing list. kathykimble at msn.com From kkharrell at msn.com Thu Oct 16 20:56:27 2008 From: kkharrell at msn.com (Kimberly Harrell) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 20:56:27 -0400 Subject: air angels crash In-Reply-To: <614708DB.3EDEF129.329B1E73@cs.com><8CAFDAD7C31A0B0-CA4-2573@webmail-db04.sysops.aol.com> <1504718486-1224168950-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-213559752-@bxe173.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <614708DB.3EDEF129.329B1E73@cs.com><8CAFDAD7C31A0B0-CA4-2573@webmail-db04.sysops.aol.com> <1504718486-1224168950-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-213559752-@bxe173.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: What about this....at the Safety Summit in Dallas a few months ago they showed statistics that said there has never been a crash with two pilots on board. I say require two pilots. Not cost effective? In my mind it is worth it. Why aren't we requiring night vision, TAWS, etc. Minimum aircraft requirements? How about clear guidelines (criteria) for flying versus ground based solely on patient condition. How about review and penalties for unwarranted flights? Just a few of my thoughts. Sorry but this is getting scary! Today I spent time wondering, was the Maryland pilot possibly one of the great guys who taught water egress at AMTC? Was this crew today at any of the conferences I went to this year? Was I having fun with them recently and now they are gone? Will we be soon at one crew a month killed? Count the patient and we can be at one person a week! better odds than the lottery. ----- Original Message ----- From: jgodfrey at cnmc.org To: Flightmed Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 10:55 AM Subject: Re: air angels crash Talking to ABC news today ... Any thoughts? Sent from BlackBerry? Blue skies and tail winds!! -----Original Message----- From: irajb at aol.com Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:51:55 To: > Subject: Re: air angels crash Yep. This sucks. -----Original Message----- From: Pedsrusscott at cs.com To: flightmed at flightweb.com Sent: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 6:48 am Subject: air angels crash http://webcenters.netscape.compuserve.com/news/story.jsp?floc=DC-headline&sc=1110&idq=/ff/story/0001/20081016/0644487220.htm _______________________________________________ Flightmed mailing list To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed _______________________________________________ Flightmed mailing list To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. 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If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. _______________________________________________ Flightmed mailing list To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed From alecbuck at alecbuck.com Thu Oct 16 21:09:55 2008 From: alecbuck at alecbuck.com (The Bucks) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:09:55 -0400 Subject: air angels crash In-Reply-To: References: <614708DB.3EDEF129.329B1E73@cs.com><8CAFDAD7C31A0B0-CA4-2573@webmail-db04.sysops.aol.com> <1504718486-1224168950-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-213559752-@bxe173.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <48F7E5E3.3080707@alecbuck.com> Wrong - on July 14, 1999, N2743 from the University of Kentucky crashed killing all 4 crew. - Sheila Zellers, Flight Nurse Brian Harden, Flight Medic Ernest Jones, Pilot Don Greene, Pilot Alec Buck Alec Buck's EMS Helicopters www.alecbuck.com Kimberly Harrell wrote: > What about this....at the Safety Summit in Dallas a few months ago they showed statistics that said there has never been a crash with two pilots on board. I say require two pilots. Not cost effective? In my mind it is worth it. Why aren't we requiring night vision, TAWS, etc. Minimum aircraft requirements? How about clear guidelines (criteria) for flying versus ground based solely on patient condition. How about review and penalties for unwarranted flights? Just a few of my thoughts. Sorry but this is getting scary! Today I spent time wondering, was the Maryland pilot possibly one of the great guys who taught water egress at AMTC? Was this crew today at any of the conferences I went to this year? Was I having fun with them recently and now they are gone? Will we be soon at one crew a month killed? Count the patient and we can be at one person a week! better odds than the lottery. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jgodfrey at cnmc.org > To: Flightmed > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 10:55 AM > Subject: Re: air angels crash > > > Talking to ABC news today ... Any thoughts? > Sent from BlackBerry? Blue skies and tail winds!! > > -----Original Message----- > From: irajb at aol.com > > Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:51:55 > To: > > Subject: Re: air angels crash > > > Yep. > This sucks. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pedsrusscott at cs.com > To: flightmed at flightweb.com > Sent: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 6:48 am > Subject: air angels crash > > > > http://webcenters.netscape.compuserve.com/news/story.jsp?floc=DC-headline&sc=1110&idq=/ff/story/0001/20081016/0644487220.htm > _______________________________________________ > Flightmed mailing list > To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed > > > _______________________________________________ > Flightmed mailing list > To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed > > > Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended > recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. > If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. > _______________________________________________ > Flightmed mailing list > To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed > > _______________________________________________ > Flightmed mailing list > To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed > > > From ufgatord at aol.com Thu Oct 16 21:10:18 2008 From: ufgatord at aol.com (ufgatord at aol.com) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:10:18 -0400 Subject: air angels crash In-Reply-To: References: <614708DB.3EDEF129.329B1E73@cs.com><8CAFDAD7C31A0B0-CA4-2573@webmail-db04.sysops.aol.com><1504718486-1224168950-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-213559752-@bxe173.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <8CAFE0C4111C610-19EC-1907@WEBMAIL-MC16.sysops.aol.com> the Safety Summit in Dallas a few months ago they showed statistics that said there has never been a crash with two pilots on board how many programs run two pilots? i can only think of one...miami childrens. i agree, if we dont find a way to standardize our safety the faa will. Gods speed in solving these accidents! derek hunt fp-c eastcare greenville, nc -----Original Message----- From: Kimberly Harrell To: jgodfrey at cnmc.org; Flightmed Cc: Karen Hersman Sent: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 8:56 pm Subject: Re: air angels crash What about this....at the Safety Summit in Dallas a few months ago they showed statistics that said there has never been a crash with two pilots on board. I say require two pilots. Not cost effective? In my mind it is worth it. Why aren't we requiring night vision, TAWS, etc. Minimum aircraft requirements? How about clear guidelines (criteria) for flying versus ground based solely on patient condition. How about review and penalties for unwarranted flights? Just a few of my thoughts. Sorry but this is getting scary! Today I spent time wondering, was the Maryland pilot possibly one of the great guys who taught water egress at AMTC? Was this crew today at any of the conferences I went to this year? Was I having fun with them recently and now they are gone? Will we be soon at one crew a month killed? Count the patient and we can be at one person a week! bette r odds than the lottery. ----- Original Message ----- From: jgodfrey at cnmc.org To: Flightmed Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 10:55 AM Subject: Re: air angels crash Talking to ABC news today ... Any thoughts? Sent from BlackBerry? Blue skies and tail winds!! -----Original Message----- From: irajb at aol.com Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:51:55 To: > Subject: Re: air angels crash Yep. This sucks. -----Original Message----- From: Pedsrusscott at cs.com To: flightmed at flightweb.com Sent: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 6:48 am Subject: air angels crash http://webcenters.netscape.compuserve.com/news/story.jsp?floc=DC-headline&sc=1110&idq=/ff/story/0001/20081016/0644487220.htm _______________________________________________ Flightmed mailing list To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed _______________________________________________ Flightmed mailing list To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) an d may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. 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Brian M. Carney, EMT-P East Brunswick, NJ -----Original Message----- From: ufgatord at aol.com To: flightmed at flightweb.com Sent: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 9:10 pm Subject: Re: air angels crash he Safety Summit in Dallas a few months ago they showed tatistics that said there has never been a crash with two pilots on board ow many programs run two pilots? i can only think of one...miami childrens. i gree, if we dont find a way to standardize our safety the faa will. Gods speed n solving these accidents! derek hunt fp-c eastcare greenville, nc -----Original Message----- rom: Kimberly Harrell o: jgodfrey at cnmc.org; Flightmed c: Karen Hersman ent: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 8:56 pm ubject: Re: air angels crash hat about this....at the Safety Summit in Dallas a few months ago they showed tatistics that said there has never been a crash with two pilots on board. I ay require two pilots. Not cost effective? In my mind it is worth it. Why ren't we requiring night vision, TAWS, etc. Minimum aircraft requirements? How bout clear guidelines (criteria) for flying versus ground based solely on atient condition. How about review and penalties for unwarranted flights? Just few of my thoughts. Sorry but this is getting scary! Today I spent time ondering, was the Maryland pilot possibly one of the great guys who taught ater egress at AMTC? Was this crew today at any of the conf erences I went to his year? Was I having fun with them recently and now they are gone? Will we be soon at one crew a month killed? Count the patient and we can be at one person a week! bette odds than the lottery. ----- Original Message ----- From: jgodfrey at cnmc.org To: Flightmed Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 10:55 AM Subject: Re: air angels crash Talking to ABC news today ... Any thoughts? Sent from BlackBerry? Blue skies and tail winds!! -----Original Message----- From: irajb at aol.com Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:51:55 To: > Subject: Re: air angels crash Yep. This sucks. -----Original Message----- From: Pedsrusscott at cs.com To: flightmed at flightweb.com Sent: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 6:48 am Subject: air angels crash http://webcenters.netscape.compuserve.com/news/story.jsp?floc=DC-headline&sc=1110&idq=/ff/story/0001/20081016/0644487220.htm _______________________________________________ Flightmed mailing list To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed _______________________________________________ Flightmed mailing list To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) an may contain confidential and privileged information. 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If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply -mail and destroy all copies of the original message. _______________________________________________ Flightmed mailing list To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed _______________________________________________ lightmed mailing list o unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed ______________________________________________ lightmed mailing list o unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed From kldflightrrt at hotmail.com Thu Oct 16 21:42:53 2008 From: kldflightrrt at hotmail.com (Kerry Lynn Dudley) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:42:53 -0400 Subject: air angels crash In-Reply-To: <614708DB.3EDEF129.329B1E73@cs.com> <8CAFDAD7C31A0B0-CA4-2573@webmail-db04.sysops.aol.com> References: <614708DB.3EDEF129.329B1E73@cs.com> <8CAFDAD7C31A0B0-CA4-2573@webmail-db04.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I completely agree this has been bad year I was lucky to live thru my fixed wing crash en-route to pick up a patient in bad weather Jan 07' still unable to work. I have been helping the group from safe med flight they have 3 bills they are working on with the Congress an Senate. We have a lot of the representatives rallied to support increasing safety regulations we were lucky enough to present impact statements at the Dallas safety summit. Had them read in the close door sessions. We are hoping to be able to testify and present impact statements in the D.C. in front of the representatives. Check out their site great group of people very dedicated to passing these bills, increasing safety in the Air Ambulance community. They know first hand the pain we all feel when another goes down lives are lost. they are the Family that was left behind when a ship went down in Washington state. I find it helpful to do what I can in conjunction with this group. Get involved help improve safety for all of us. www.safemedflight.com Stacey is great they also have a Memorial area and also a very good tool we should all have for our families incase the ultimate sacrifice is given. It is a list basically of things our families need to know if we are not around. It will help them wade their way thru all the red tape and info that will help them greatly I have been flight certified for over 20 years and have never seen such a complete info package for the surviving family. -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 9:51 AM To: Subject: Re: air angels crash > Yep. > This sucks. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pedsrusscott at cs.com > To: flightmed at flightweb.com > Sent: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 6:48 am > Subject: air angels crash > > > > http://webcenters.netscape.compuserve.com/news/story.jsp?floc=DC-headline&sc=1110&idq=/ff/story/0001/20081016/0644487220.htm > _______________________________________________ > Flightmed mailing list > To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed > > > _______________________________________________ > Flightmed mailing list > To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed > > From landcruisers at comporium.net Thu Oct 16 22:02:03 2008 From: landcruisers at comporium.net (Richard D. Cook) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:02:03 -0400 Subject: air angels crash In-Reply-To: References: <614708DB.3EDEF129.329B1E73@cs.com><8CAFDAD7C31A0B0-CA4-2573@webmail-db04.sysops.aol.com> <1504718486-1224168950-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-213559752-@bxe173.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <03f901c92ffc$59be7d50$0d3b77f0$@net> No question that two pilots would increase the safety by putting another person with equal interpretive and decision making skills up front. However, I am personally aware of an EMS rotor wing crash in NC several years ago in which there were two pilots up front. All souls were lost. This was not an unusual circumstance such as a ferry or test flight. It was a patient transport. This was a program that regularly flew (and probably still does) with two pilots. -----Original Message----- From: flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com [mailto:flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com] On Behalf Of Kimberly Harrell Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 8:56 PM To: jgodfrey at cnmc.org; Flightmed Cc: Karen Hersman Subject: Re: air angels crash What about this....at the Safety Summit in Dallas a few months ago they showed statistics that said there has never been a crash with two pilots on board. I say require two pilots. Not cost effective? In my mind it is worth it. Why aren't we requiring night vision, TAWS, etc. Minimum aircraft requirements? How about clear guidelines (criteria) for flying versus ground based solely on patient condition. How about review and penalties for unwarranted flights? Just a few of my thoughts. Sorry but this is getting scary! Today I spent time wondering, was the Maryland pilot possibly one of the great guys who taught water egress at AMTC? Was this crew today at any of the conferences I went to this year? Was I having fun with them recently and now they are gone? Will we be soon at one crew a month killed? Count the patient and we can be at one person a week! better odds than the lottery. ----- Original Message ----- From: jgodfrey at cnmc.org To: Flightmed Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 10:55 AM Subject: Re: air angels crash Talking to ABC news today ... Any thoughts? Sent from BlackBerryR Blue skies and tail winds!! -----Original Message----- From: irajb at aol.com Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:51:55 To: > Subject: Re: air angels crash Yep. This sucks. -----Original Message----- From: Pedsrusscott at cs.com To: flightmed at flightweb.com Sent: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 6:48 am Subject: air angels crash http://webcenters.netscape.compuserve.com/news/story.jsp?floc=DC-headline&sc =1110&idq=/ff/story/0001/20081016/0644487220.htm _______________________________________________ Flightmed mailing list To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed _______________________________________________ Flightmed mailing list To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. _______________________________________________ Flightmed mailing list To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed _______________________________________________ Flightmed mailing list To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed From kldflightrrt at hotmail.com Thu Oct 16 22:10:35 2008 From: kldflightrrt at hotmail.com (Kerry Lynn Dudley) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:10:35 -0400 Subject: air angels crash In-Reply-To: <614708DB.3EDEF129.329B1E73@cs.com><8CAFDAD7C31A0B0-CA4-2573@webmail-db04.sysops.aol.com> <1504718486-1224168950-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-213559752-@bxe173.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <03f901c92ffc$59be7d50$0d3b77f0$@net> References: <614708DB.3EDEF129.329B1E73@cs.com><8CAFDAD7C31A0B0-CA4-2573@webmail-db04.sysops.aol.com> <1504718486-1224168950-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-213559752-@bxe173.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <03f901c92ffc$59be7d50$0d3b77f0$@net> Message-ID: I think the fly 135 only will help some. tighter regulations of 135 over part 91, over 50% of fatalities are during part 91 operation . -------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard D. Cook" Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 10:02 PM To: "'Flightmed'" Subject: RE: air angels crash > No question that two pilots would increase the safety by putting another > person with equal interpretive and decision making skills up front. > However, I am personally aware of an EMS rotor wing crash in NC several > years ago in which there were two pilots up front. All souls were lost. > This was not an unusual circumstance such as a ferry or test flight. It > was > a patient transport. This was a program that regularly flew (and probably > still does) with two pilots. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com > [mailto:flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com] On Behalf Of Kimberly Harrell > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 8:56 PM > To: jgodfrey at cnmc.org; Flightmed > Cc: Karen Hersman > Subject: Re: air angels crash > > What about this....at the Safety Summit in Dallas a few months ago they > showed statistics that said there has never been a crash with two pilots > on > board. I say require two pilots. Not cost effective? In my mind it is > worth > it. Why aren't we requiring night vision, TAWS, etc. Minimum aircraft > requirements? How about clear guidelines (criteria) for flying versus > ground > based solely on patient condition. How about review and penalties for > unwarranted flights? Just a few of my thoughts. Sorry but this is getting > scary! Today I spent time wondering, was the Maryland pilot possibly one > of > the great guys who taught water egress at AMTC? Was this crew today at any > of the conferences I went to this year? Was I having fun with them > recently > and now they are gone? Will we be soon at one crew a month killed? Count > the > patient and we can be at one person a week! better odds than the lottery. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jgodfrey at cnmc.org > To: Flightmed > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 10:55 AM > Subject: Re: air angels crash > > > Talking to ABC news today ... Any thoughts? > Sent from BlackBerryR Blue skies and tail winds!! > > -----Original Message----- > From: irajb at aol.com > > Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:51:55 > To: > > Subject: Re: air angels crash > > > Yep. > This sucks. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pedsrusscott at cs.com > To: flightmed at flightweb.com > Sent: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 6:48 am > Subject: air angels crash > > > > > http://webcenters.netscape.compuserve.com/news/story.jsp?floc=DC-headline&sc > =1110&idq=/ff/story/0001/20081016/0644487220.htm compuserve.com/news/story.jsp?floc=DC-headline&sc=1110&idq=/ff/story/0001/20 > 081016/0644487220.htm> > _______________________________________________ > Flightmed mailing list > To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed ailman/listinfo/flightmed> > > > _______________________________________________ > Flightmed mailing list > To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed ailman/listinfo/flightmed> > > > Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, > is > for the sole use of the intended > recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any > unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. > If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply > e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. > _______________________________________________ > Flightmed mailing list > To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed ailman/listinfo/flightmed> > > _______________________________________________ > Flightmed mailing list > To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed > > _______________________________________________ > Flightmed mailing list > To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed > > From manemtp at yahoo.com Thu Oct 16 22:16:26 2008 From: manemtp at yahoo.com (Michael Nelson) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:16:26 -0500 Subject: air angels crash In-Reply-To: <03f901c92ffc$59be7d50$0d3b77f0$@net> References: <614708DB.3EDEF129.329B1E73@cs.com><8CAFDAD7C31A0B0-CA4-2573@webmail-db04.sysops.aol.com> <1504718486-1224168950-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-213559752-@bxe173.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <03f901c92ffc$59be7d50$0d3b77f0$@net> Message-ID: The Crash this summer in Michigan, on the rooftop, had two pilots upfront, a company pilot and an FAA examiner, didn't do much for situational awareness that day either. NVG, don't work well in urban areas HTAWS, doesn?t work at all So what does work? EDUCATION, EDUCATION, EDUCATION, and when that fails educate some more. Part 135 is a joke, designed for "air Taxi" not EMS. Let's get real about the problem. EMS is its own animal, and needs it own rules, with people in the FAA who know what we do, and stop trying to make us follow flight attendant rules. IMHO, it's time to scrap the entire system, and build it with an end result in mind, instead of throwing more useless technology at a problem that already exists. -----Original Message----- From: flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com [mailto:flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com] On Behalf Of Richard D. Cook Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 9:02 PM To: 'Flightmed' Subject: RE: air angels crash No question that two pilots would increase the safety by putting another person with equal interpretive and decision making skills up front. However, I am personally aware of an EMS rotor wing crash in NC several years ago in which there were two pilots up front. All souls were lost. This was not an unusual circumstance such as a ferry or test flight. It was a patient transport. This was a program that regularly flew (and probably still does) with two pilot -----Original Message----- From: flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com [mailto:flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com] On Behalf Of Kimberly Harrell Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 8:56 PM To: jgodfrey at cnmc.org; Flightmed Cc: Karen Hersman Subject: Re: air angels crash What about this....at the Safety Summit in Dallas a few months ago they showed statistics that said there has never been a crash with two pilots on board. I say require two pilots. Not cost effective? In my mind it is worth it. Why aren't we requiring night vision, TAWS, etc. Minimum aircraft requirements? How about clear guidelines (criteria) for flying versus ground based solely on patient condition. How about review and penalties for unwarranted flights? Just a few of my thoughts. Sorry but this is getting scary! Today I spent time wondering, was the Maryland pilot possibly one of the great guys who taught water egress at AMTC? Was this crew today at any of the conferences I went to this year? Was I having fun with them recently and now they are gone? Will we be soon at one crew a month killed? Count the patient and we can be at one person a week! better odds than the lottery. ----- Original Message ----- From: jgodfrey at cnmc.org To: Flightmed Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 10:55 AM Subject: Re: air angels crash Talking to ABC news today ... Any thoughts? Sent from BlackBerryR Blue skies and tail winds!! -----Original Message----- From: irajb at aol.com Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:51:55 To: > Subject: Re: air angels crash Yep. This sucks. -----Original Message----- From: Pedsrusscott at cs.com To: flightmed at flightweb.com Sent: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 6:48 am Subject: air angels crash http://webcenters.netscape.compuserve.com/news/story.jsp?floc=DC-headline&sc =1110&idq=/ff/story/0001/20081016/0644487220.htm _______________________________________________ Flightmed mailing list To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed _______________________________________________ Flightmed mailing list To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. 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Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1728 - Release Date: 10/16/2008 7:38 AM From kburkholder at emh.org Thu Oct 16 22:18:50 2008 From: kburkholder at emh.org (Burkholder, Kevin) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:18:50 -0400 Subject: air angels crash References: <614708DB.3EDEF129.329B1E73@cs.com><8CAFDAD7C31A0B0-CA4-2573@webmail-db04.sysops.aol.com> <1504718486-1224168950-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-213559752-@bxe173.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <03f901c92ffc$59be7d50$0d3b77f0$@net> Message-ID: <9CCE32ECAAFDEB4DA01EC771B6AD951B030BA53D@VALIER.me.emh.org> Perhaps beyond education...the best phrase...The Conservative response is the rule, not the exception... Redeveloping a new risk matrix if a change in your originally intended plan is by far another strong selling point and likely may have prevented several of the incidents that resulted in Controlled Flight into Terrain this year. My .02 cents... Kevin Burkholder, FP-C, NR/CCEMT-P Flight Paramedic - LifeFlight of Maine, Bangor Base http://www.lifeflightmaine.org p|207-471-0041 c|207-735-7095 From JGodfrey at cnmc.org Thu Oct 16 23:08:40 2008 From: JGodfrey at cnmc.org (Godfrey, Jonathan) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:08:40 -0400 Subject: air angels crash References: <614708DB.3EDEF129.329B1E73@cs.com><8CAFDAD7C31A0B0-CA4-2573@webmail-db04.sysops.aol.com><1504718486-1224168950-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-213559752-@bxe173.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><8CAFE0C4111C610-19EC-1907@WEBMAIL-MC16.sysops.aol.com> <8CAFE0E44E5D957-A0C-298C@webmail-db08.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Yes but remember, none of us are immune. Personal vigilance is paramount. Changes ned to be made. Lives are at stake. Are you going to be number 10? All of this is too close to home ... I was a patient on T2 Jonathan Godfrey RN, CMTE Transport Coordinator, Division of Transport Medicine Children's National Medical Center 111 Michigan Avenue N.W. Washington, D.C. 20010-2970 Pager: (202) 259-1475 Cell: (202) 327-0521 (NEW) Email: Jgodfrey at cnmc.org ________________________________ From: flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com on behalf of bcarney1123 at aol.com Sent: Thu 10/16/2008 9:24 PM To: flightmed at flightweb.com Subject: Re: air angels crash New Jersey State Police fly with two pilots aboard S76s. Brian M. Carney, EMT-P East Brunswick, NJ -----Original Message----- From: ufgatord at aol.com To: flightmed at flightweb.com Sent: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 9:10 pm Subject: Re: air angels crash he Safety Summit in Dallas a few months ago they showed tatistics that said there has never been a crash with two pilots on board ow many programs run two pilots? i can only think of one...miami childrens. i gree, if we dont find a way to standardize our safety the faa will. Gods speed n solving these accidents! derek hunt fp-c eastcare greenville, nc -----Original Message----- rom: Kimberly Harrell o: jgodfrey at cnmc.org; Flightmed c: Karen Hersman ent: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 8:56 pm ubject: Re: air angels crash hat about this....at the Safety Summit in Dallas a few months ago they showed tatistics that said there has never been a crash with two pilots on board. I ay require two pilots. Not cost effective? In my mind it is worth it. Why ren't we requiring night vision, TAWS, etc. Minimum aircraft requirements? How bout clear guidelines (criteria) for flying versus ground based solely on atient condition. How about review and penalties for unwarranted flights? Just few of my thoughts. Sorry but this is getting scary! Today I spent time ondering, was the Maryland pilot possibly one of the great guys who taught ater egress at AMTC? Was this crew today at any of the conf erences I went to his year? Was I having fun with them recently and now they are gone? Will we be soon at one crew a month killed? Count the patient and we can be at one person a week! bette odds than the lottery. ----- Original Message ----- From: jgodfrey at cnmc.org To: Flightmed Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 10:55 AM Subject: Re: air angels crash Talking to ABC news today ... Any thoughts? Sent from BlackBerry? Blue skies and tail winds!! -----Original Message----- From: irajb at aol.com Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:51:55 To: > Subject: Re: air angels crash Yep. This sucks. -----Original Message----- From: Pedsrusscott at cs.com To: flightmed at flightweb.com Sent: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 6:48 am Subject: air angels crash http://webcenters.netscape.compuserve.com/news/story.jsp?floc=DC-headline&sc=1110&idq=/ff/story/0001/20081016/0644487220.htm _______________________________________________ Flightmed mailing list To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed _______________________________________________ Flightmed mailing list To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) an may contain confidential and privileged information. Any nauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. 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Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. From kldflightrrt at hotmail.com Thu Oct 16 23:18:03 2008 From: kldflightrrt at hotmail.com (Kerry Lynn Dudley) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:18:03 -0400 Subject: air angels crash In-Reply-To: <614708DB.3EDEF129.329B1E73@cs.com><8CAFDAD7C31A0B0-CA4-2573@webmail-db04.sysops.aol.com> <1504718486-1224168950-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-213559752-@bxe173.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <03f901c92ffc$59be7d50$0d3b77f0$@net> References: <614708DB.3EDEF129.329B1E73@cs.com><8CAFDAD7C31A0B0-CA4-2573@webmail-db04.sysops.aol.com> <1504718486-1224168950-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-213559752-@bxe173.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <03f901c92ffc$59be7d50$0d3b77f0$@net> Message-ID: Mr. Nelson I am sorry I take exception to your air taxi comment of fixed wing Air ambulances. I have been flight certified for many years 20+. transport patients around the world. try crashing patient no land in sight for 3+ hours intubate , place on vent, place chest tube, run balloon pump, a-line, multiple pressures, pacer. then family codes on you. so Air Taxi I think not. In 20+ years my worst days and the sickest patients have been in a fixed wing jet. RW trips shorter can usually get to destination 30 min can drop in to alternate facility if needed go hop the pond or south America were chest tubes reused and water systems still used. to little villages pick up person mauled buy tiger you are the the first medical treatment this person receives in the dirt hut anything close to even a clinic is 12 hours away by ground so you are it. I have worked both FW and RW and yes 135 does mean a safer flight the rule are much stricter flight rules if your pilot is not a cowboy if you look at the FAR and the strict rules of 135 over 91 there is great difference of weather allowances' for flight or even to initiate a flight allot stricter flight rules apply if you do not believe me go to the FAA sight and check that there is a huge difference between the two . ask any pilot worth their salt and adheres to the 135 flight rule we will all be much safer, no more will medical crew be treated like luggage in a aircraft. Also go back for the last 5 years and see which one has a higher incident of crashes and/or fatalities part 91 was being flown in 63.8% of them. So I think that speaks volumes in the difference it makes to safety. So I say every bit helps, Ask a pilot what the true differences are, I mean the strict letter of the reg. also the new requirements of terrain warning devices other early notification systems. Sorry 20+ years as a Aeromedical Transport Specialist and my worst days with ECMO, HFJV, balloon pumps, external pace makers. instability of patient and all they have is you. no land in sight for many hours. Give me a good multi-trauma swoop and scoop, GSW, arm deep in some ones chest with my finger plugging the whole in their heart, 75% burn patient airlifted off of boat in the territorial waters off of the east coast. both have there good and bad, but hop the pond or the CA to Hawaii the longest open water trip. 3 hour from land. with a patient just as unstable as a RW patient. Plus one of the new process FAA/NTSB is talking about goes along the line of critical process tree. for eval every trip. We all know that RW is overused and at times the patient is actually done a disservice, when a ground trans would have been quicker. That I think also has a hand in the increase of accident/incident both FW and RW. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Nelson" Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 10:16 PM To: "'Flightmed'" Subject: RE: air angels crash > The Crash this summer in Michigan, on the rooftop, had two pilots upfront, > a > company pilot and an FAA examiner, didn't do much for situational > awareness > that day either. > > NVG, don't work well in urban areas > HTAWS, doesn?t work at all > > So what does work? EDUCATION, EDUCATION, EDUCATION, and when that fails > educate some more. > > Part 135 is a joke, designed for "air Taxi" not EMS. Let's get real about > the problem. EMS is its own animal, and needs it own rules, with people > in > the FAA who know what we do, and stop trying to make us follow flight > attendant rules. IMHO, it's time to scrap the entire system, and build it > with an end result in mind, instead of throwing more useless technology at > a > problem that already exists. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com > [mailto:flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com] On Behalf Of Richard D. Cook > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 9:02 PM > To: 'Flightmed' > Subject: RE: air angels crash > > No question that two pilots would increase the safety by putting another > person with equal interpretive and decision making skills up front. > However, I am personally aware of an EMS rotor wing crash in NC several > years ago in which there were two pilots up front. All souls were lost. > This was not an unusual circumstance such as a ferry or test flight. It > was > a patient transport. This was a program that regularly flew (and probably > still does) with two pilot > > > -----Original Message----- > From: flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com > [mailto:flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com] On Behalf Of Kimberly Harrell > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 8:56 PM > To: jgodfrey at cnmc.org; Flightmed > Cc: Karen Hersman > Subject: Re: air angels crash > > What about this....at the Safety Summit in Dallas a few months ago they > showed statistics that said there has never been a crash with two pilots > on > board. I say require two pilots. Not cost effective? In my mind it is > worth > it. Why aren't we requiring night vision, TAWS, etc. Minimum aircraft > requirements? How about clear guidelines (criteria) for flying versus > ground > based solely on patient condition. How about review and penalties for > unwarranted flights? Just a few of my thoughts. Sorry but this is getting > scary! Today I spent time wondering, was the Maryland pilot possibly one > of > the great guys who taught water egress at AMTC? Was this crew today at any > of the conferences I went to this year? Was I having fun with them > recently > and now they are gone? Will we be soon at one crew a month killed? Count > the > patient and we can be at one person a week! better odds than the lottery. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jgodfrey at cnmc.org > To: Flightmed > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 10:55 AM > Subject: Re: air angels crash > > > Talking to ABC news today ... Any thoughts? > Sent from BlackBerryR Blue skies and tail winds!! > > -----Original Message----- > From: irajb at aol.com > > Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:51:55 > To: > > Subject: Re: air angels crash > > > Yep. > This sucks. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pedsrusscott at cs.com > To: flightmed at flightweb.com > Sent: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 6:48 am > Subject: air angels crash > > > > > http://webcenters.netscape.compuserve.com/news/story.jsp?floc=DC-headline&sc > =1110&idq=/ff/story/0001/20081016/0644487220.htm compuserve.com/news/story.jsp?floc=DC-headline&sc=1110&idq=/ff/story/0001/20 > 081016/0644487220.htm> > _______________________________________________ > Flightmed mailing list > To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed ailman/listinfo/flightmed> > > > _______________________________________________ > Flightmed mailing list > To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed ailman/listinfo/flightmed> > > > Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, > is > for the sole use of the intended > recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. 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Not just safety and rule making, That is the seceret weapon. we can have all the tools but lose personal vigilance ... lives are lost ... again DO NOT BE NUMBER 10 ... we cannot have it. Jonathan Godfrey RN, CMTE Transport Coordinator, Division of Transport Medicine Children's National Medical Center 111 Michigan Avenue N.W. Washington, D.C. 20010-2970 Pager: (202) 259-1475 Cell: (202) 327-0521 (NEW) Email: Jgodfrey at cnmc.org ________________________________ From: flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com on behalf of Michael Nelson Sent: Thu 10/16/2008 10:16 PM To: 'Flightmed' Subject: RE: air angels crash The Crash this summer in Michigan, on the rooftop, had two pilots upfront, a company pilot and an FAA examiner, didn't do much for situational awareness that day either. NVG, don't work well in urban areas HTAWS, doesn't work at all So what does work? EDUCATION, EDUCATION, EDUCATION, and when that fails educate some more. Part 135 is a joke, designed for "air Taxi" not EMS. Let's get real about the problem. EMS is its own animal, and needs it own rules, with people in the FAA who know what we do, and stop trying to make us follow flight attendant rules. IMHO, it's time to scrap the entire system, and build it with an end result in mind, instead of throwing more useless technology at a problem that already exists. -----Original Message----- From: flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com [mailto:flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com] On Behalf Of Richard D. Cook Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 9:02 PM To: 'Flightmed' Subject: RE: air angels crash No question that two pilots would increase the safety by putting another person with equal interpretive and decision making skills up front. However, I am personally aware of an EMS rotor wing crash in NC several years ago in which there were two pilots up front. All souls were lost. This was not an unusual circumstance such as a ferry or test flight. It was a patient transport. This was a program that regularly flew (and probably still does) with two pilot -----Original Message----- From: flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com [mailto:flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com] On Behalf Of Kimberly Harrell Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 8:56 PM To: jgodfrey at cnmc.org; Flightmed Cc: Karen Hersman Subject: Re: air angels crash What about this....at the Safety Summit in Dallas a few months ago they showed statistics that said there has never been a crash with two pilots on board. I say require two pilots. Not cost effective? In my mind it is worth it. Why aren't we requiring night vision, TAWS, etc. Minimum aircraft requirements? How about clear guidelines (criteria) for flying versus ground based solely on patient condition. How about review and penalties for unwarranted flights? Just a few of my thoughts. Sorry but this is getting scary! Today I spent time wondering, was the Maryland pilot possibly one of the great guys who taught water egress at AMTC? Was this crew today at any of the conferences I went to this year? Was I having fun with them recently and now they are gone? Will we be soon at one crew a month killed? Count the patient and we can be at one person a week! better odds than the lottery. ----- Original Message ----- From: jgodfrey at cnmc.org To: Flightmed Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 10:55 AM Subject: Re: air angels crash Talking to ABC news today ... Any thoughts? Sent from BlackBerryR Blue skies and tail winds!! -----Original Message----- From: irajb at aol.com Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:51:55 To: > Subject: Re: air angels crash Yep. This sucks. -----Original Message----- From: Pedsrusscott at cs.com To: flightmed at flightweb.com Sent: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 6:48 am Subject: air angels crash http://webcenters.netscape.compuserve.com/news/story.jsp?floc=DC-headline&sc =1110&idq=/ff/story/0001/20081016/0644487220.htm _______________________________________________ Flightmed mailing list To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed _______________________________________________ Flightmed mailing list To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. 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From JGodfrey at cnmc.org Thu Oct 16 23:56:10 2008 From: JGodfrey at cnmc.org (Godfrey, Jonathan) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:56:10 -0400 Subject: air angels crash References: <614708DB.3EDEF129.329B1E73@cs.com><8CAFDAD7C31A0B0-CA4-2573@webmail-db04.sysops.aol.com> <1504718486-1224168950-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-213559752-@bxe173.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <03f901c92ffc$59be7d50$0d3b77f0$@net> Message-ID: Dual pilot is worth looking at .. I support your efforts. Jonathan Godfrey RN, CMTE Transport Coordinator, Division of Transport Medicine Children's National Medical Center 111 Michigan Avenue N.W. Washington, D.C. 20010-2970 Pager: (202) 259-1475 Cell: (202) 327-0521 (NEW) Email: Jgodfrey at cnmc.org ________________________________ From: flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com on behalf of Michael Nelson Sent: Thu 10/16/2008 10:16 PM To: 'Flightmed' Subject: RE: air angels crash The Crash this summer in Michigan, on the rooftop, had two pilots upfront, a company pilot and an FAA examiner, didn't do much for situational awareness that day either. NVG, don't work well in urban areas HTAWS, doesn't work at all So what does work? EDUCATION, EDUCATION, EDUCATION, and when that fails educate some more. Part 135 is a joke, designed for "air Taxi" not EMS. Let's get real about the problem. EMS is its own animal, and needs it own rules, with people in the FAA who know what we do, and stop trying to make us follow flight attendant rules. IMHO, it's time to scrap the entire system, and build it with an end result in mind, instead of throwing more useless technology at a problem that already exists. -----Original Message----- From: flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com [mailto:flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com] On Behalf Of Richard D. Cook Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 9:02 PM To: 'Flightmed' Subject: RE: air angels crash No question that two pilots would increase the safety by putting another person with equal interpretive and decision making skills up front. However, I am personally aware of an EMS rotor wing crash in NC several years ago in which there were two pilots up front. All souls were lost. This was not an unusual circumstance such as a ferry or test flight. It was a patient transport. This was a program that regularly flew (and probably still does) with two pilot -----Original Message----- From: flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com [mailto:flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com] On Behalf Of Kimberly Harrell Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 8:56 PM To: jgodfrey at cnmc.org; Flightmed Cc: Karen Hersman Subject: Re: air angels crash What about this....at the Safety Summit in Dallas a few months ago they showed statistics that said there has never been a crash with two pilots on board. I say require two pilots. Not cost effective? In my mind it is worth it. Why aren't we requiring night vision, TAWS, etc. Minimum aircraft requirements? How about clear guidelines (criteria) for flying versus ground based solely on patient condition. How about review and penalties for unwarranted flights? Just a few of my thoughts. Sorry but this is getting scary! Today I spent time wondering, was the Maryland pilot possibly one of the great guys who taught water egress at AMTC? Was this crew today at any of the conferences I went to this year? Was I having fun with them recently and now they are gone? Will we be soon at one crew a month killed? Count the patient and we can be at one person a week! better odds than the lottery. ----- Original Message ----- From: jgodfrey at cnmc.org To: Flightmed Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 10:55 AM Subject: Re: air angels crash Talking to ABC news today ... Any thoughts? Sent from BlackBerryR Blue skies and tail winds!! -----Original Message----- From: irajb at aol.com Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:51:55 To: > Subject: Re: air angels crash Yep. This sucks. -----Original Message----- From: Pedsrusscott at cs.com To: flightmed at flightweb.com Sent: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 6:48 am Subject: air angels crash http://webcenters.netscape.compuserve.com/news/story.jsp?floc=DC-headline&sc =1110&idq=/ff/story/0001/20081016/0644487220.htm _______________________________________________ Flightmed mailing list To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed _______________________________________________ Flightmed mailing list To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. 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From JGodfrey at cnmc.org Thu Oct 16 23:57:34 2008 From: JGodfrey at cnmc.org (Godfrey, Jonathan) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:57:34 -0400 Subject: air angels crash References: <614708DB.3EDEF129.329B1E73@cs.com><8CAFDAD7C31A0B0-CA4-2573@webmail-db04.sysops.aol.com> <1504718486-1224168950-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-213559752-@bxe173.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <03f901c92ffc$59be7d50$0d3b77f0$@net> Message-ID: keep up the fight,,, hope you will be at AMTC >>> find me. Jonathan Godfrey RN, CMTE Transport Coordinator, Division of Transport Medicine Children's National Medical Center 111 Michigan Avenue N.W. Washington, D.C. 20010-2970 Pager: (202) 259-1475 Cell: (202) 327-0521 (NEW) Email: Jgodfrey at cnmc.org ________________________________ From: flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com on behalf of Kerry Lynn Dudley Sent: Thu 10/16/2008 11:18 PM To: Flightmed Subject: Re: air angels crash Mr. Nelson I am sorry I take exception to your air taxi comment of fixed wing Air ambulances. I have been flight certified for many years 20+. transport patients around the world. try crashing patient no land in sight for 3+ hours intubate , place on vent, place chest tube, run balloon pump, a-line, multiple pressures, pacer. then family codes on you. so Air Taxi I think not. In 20+ years my worst days and the sickest patients have been in a fixed wing jet. RW trips shorter can usually get to destination 30 min can drop in to alternate facility if needed go hop the pond or south America were chest tubes reused and water systems still used. to little villages pick up person mauled buy tiger you are the the first medical treatment this person receives in the dirt hut anything close to even a clinic is 12 hours away by ground so you are it. I have worked both FW and RW and yes 135 does mean a safer flight the rule are much stricter flight rules if your pilot is not a cowboy if you look at the FAR and the strict rules of 135 over 91 there is great difference of weather allowances' for flight or even to initiate a flight allot stricter flight rules apply if you do not believe me go to the FAA sight and check that there is a huge difference between the two . ask any pilot worth their salt and adheres to the 135 flight rule we will all be much safer, no more will medical crew be treated like luggage in a aircraft. Also go back for the last 5 years and see which one has a higher incident of crashes and/or fatalities part 91 was being flown in 63.8% of them. So I think that speaks volumes in the difference it makes to safety. So I say every bit helps, Ask a pilot what the true differences are, I mean the strict letter of the reg. also the new requirements of terrain warning devices other early notification systems. Sorry 20+ years as a Aeromedical Transport Specialist and my worst days with ECMO, HFJV, balloon pumps, external pace makers. instability of patient and all they have is you. no land in sight for many hours. Give me a good multi-trauma swoop and scoop, GSW, arm deep in some ones chest with my finger plugging the whole in their heart, 75% burn patient airlifted off of boat in the territorial waters off of the east coast. both have there good and bad, but hop the pond or the CA to Hawaii the longest open water trip. 3 hour from land. with a patient just as unstable as a RW patient. Plus one of the new process FAA/NTSB is talking about goes along the line of critical process tree. for eval every trip. We all know that RW is overused and at times the patient is actually done a disservice, when a ground trans would have been quicker. That I think also has a hand in the increase of accident/incident both FW and RW. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Nelson" Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 10:16 PM To: "'Flightmed'" Subject: RE: air angels crash > The Crash this summer in Michigan, on the rooftop, had two pilots upfront, > a > company pilot and an FAA examiner, didn't do much for situational > awareness > that day either. > > NVG, don't work well in urban areas > HTAWS, doesn't work at all > > So what does work? EDUCATION, EDUCATION, EDUCATION, and when that fails > educate some more. > > Part 135 is a joke, designed for "air Taxi" not EMS. Let's get real about > the problem. EMS is its own animal, and needs it own rules, with people > in > the FAA who know what we do, and stop trying to make us follow flight > attendant rules. IMHO, it's time to scrap the entire system, and build it > with an end result in mind, instead of throwing more useless technology at > a > problem that already exists. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com > [mailto:flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com] On Behalf Of Richard D. Cook > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 9:02 PM > To: 'Flightmed' > Subject: RE: air angels crash > > No question that two pilots would increase the safety by putting another > person with equal interpretive and decision making skills up front. > However, I am personally aware of an EMS rotor wing crash in NC several > years ago in which there were two pilots up front. All souls were lost. > This was not an unusual circumstance such as a ferry or test flight. It > was > a patient transport. This was a program that regularly flew (and probably > still does) with two pilot > > > -----Original Message----- > From: flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com > [mailto:flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com] On Behalf Of Kimberly Harrell > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 8:56 PM > To: jgodfrey at cnmc.org; Flightmed > Cc: Karen Hersman > Subject: Re: air angels crash > > What about this....at the Safety Summit in Dallas a few months ago they > showed statistics that said there has never been a crash with two pilots > on > board. I say require two pilots. Not cost effective? In my mind it is > worth > it. Why aren't we requiring night vision, TAWS, etc. Minimum aircraft > requirements? How about clear guidelines (criteria) for flying versus > ground > based solely on patient condition. How about review and penalties for > unwarranted flights? Just a few of my thoughts. Sorry but this is getting > scary! Today I spent time wondering, was the Maryland pilot possibly one > of > the great guys who taught water egress at AMTC? Was this crew today at any > of the conferences I went to this year? Was I having fun with them > recently > and now they are gone? Will we be soon at one crew a month killed? Count > the > patient and we can be at one person a week! better odds than the lottery. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jgodfrey at cnmc.org > To: Flightmed > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 10:55 AM > Subject: Re: air angels crash > > > Talking to ABC news today ... Any thoughts? > Sent from BlackBerryR Blue skies and tail winds!! > > -----Original Message----- > From: irajb at aol.com > > Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:51:55 > To: > > Subject: Re: air angels crash > > > Yep. > This sucks. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pedsrusscott at cs.com > To: flightmed at flightweb.com > Sent: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 6:48 am > Subject: air angels crash > > > > > http://webcenters.netscape.compuserve.com/news/story.jsp?floc=DC-headline&sc > =1110&idq=/ff/story/0001/20081016/0644487220.htm compuserve.com/news/story.jsp?floc=DC-headline&sc=1110&idq=/ff/story/0001/20 > 081016/0644487220.htm> > _______________________________________________ > Flightmed mailing list > To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed ailman/listinfo/flightmed> > > > _______________________________________________ > Flightmed mailing list > To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed ailman/listinfo/flightmed> > > > Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, > is > for the sole use of the intended > recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. 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Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. From msuldo at aol.com Fri Oct 17 02:10:15 2008 From: msuldo at aol.com (msuldo at aol.com) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 02:10:15 -0400 Subject: air angels crash In-Reply-To: References: <614708DB.3EDEF129.329B1E73@cs.com><8CAFDAD7C31A0B0-CA4-2573@webmail-db04.sysops.aol.com> <1504718486-1224168950-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-213559752-@bxe173.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <03f901c92ffc$59be7d50$0d3b77f0$@net> Message-ID: <8CAFE3627EB1067-D7C-1B0E@webmail-dd09.sysops.aol.com> you have to be careful who you listen to, "facts" aren't always "facts". If they can't get that right - what else are they missing? I can think of at least 3?accidents (most with multiple people killed) and I am sure there are more with 2 pilot crews. North Carolina? B412 Kentucky? S-76 Miami Childrens? S-76 I am sure that there are more. Many US programs do fly 2 pilots Arkansas Childrens Miami childrens Cleveland Metro (I believe they still do) Most any program in an S76 Many more Real simple use the right helicopter for the program needs, equip it well, great pilot selection even better pilot training with lots of sim time Keep the hospital/medical people out of the flight decisions audit with real auditors - not CAMTS I ran 7 aeromedical programs for PHI years ago and could go on for hours on the topic (and have several times at AMTC) and 200 helicopters for Bristow for 5 years until 2 weeks ago Can it be fixed? - yes would all current programs survive - no should they - no regards Mike Suldo probably will buy you a beer at AMTC -----Original Message----- From: Godfrey, Jonathan To: Flightmed ; Flightmed Sent: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:55 pm Subject: RE: air angels crash Personal VIGILANCE ... accountability. Not just safety and rule making, That is the seceret weapon. we can have all the tools but lose personal vigilance ... lives are lost ... again DO NOT BE NUMBER 10 ... we cannot have it. Jonathan Godfrey RN, CMTE Transport Coordinator, Division of Transport Medicine Children's National Medical Center 111 Michigan Avenue N.W. Washington, D.C. 20010-2970 Pager: (202) 259-1475 Cell: (202) 327-0521 (NEW) Email: Jgodfrey at cnmc.org ________________________________ From: flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com on behalf of Michael Nelson Sent: Thu 10/16/2008 10:16 PM To: 'Flightmed' Subject: RE: air angels crash The Crash this summer in Michigan, on the rooftop, had two pilots upfront, a company pilot and an FAA examiner, didn't do much for situational awareness that day either. NVG, don't work well in urban areas HTAWS, doesn't work at all So what does work? EDUCATION, EDUCATION, EDUCATION, and when that fails educate some more. Part 135 is a joke, designed for "air Taxi" not EMS. Let's get real about the problem. EMS is its own animal, and needs it own rules, with people in the FAA who know what we do, and stop trying to make us follow flight attendant rules. IMHO, it's time to scrap the entire system, and build it with an end result in mind, instead of throwing more useless technology at a problem that already exists. -----Original Message----- From: flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com [mailto:flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com] On Behalf Of Richard D. Cook Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 9:02 PM To: 'Flightmed' Subject: RE: air angels crash No question that two pilots would increase the safety by putting another person with equal interpretive and decision making skills up front. However, I am personally aware of an EMS rotor wing crash in NC several years ago in which there were two pilots up front. All souls were lost. This was not an unusual circumstance such as a ferry or test flight. It was a patient transport. This was a program that regularly flew (and pro bably still does) with two pilot -----Original Message----- From: flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com [mailto:flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com] On Behalf Of Kimberly Harrell Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 8:56 PM To: jgodfrey at cnmc.org; Flightmed Cc: Karen Hersman Subject: Re: air angels crash What about this....at the Safety Summit in Dallas a few months ago they showed statistics that said there has never been a crash with two pilots on board. I say require two pilots. Not cost effective? In my mind it is worth it. Why aren't we requiring night vision, TAWS, etc. Minimum aircraft requirements? How about clear guidelines (criteria) for flying versus ground based solely on patient condition. How about review and penalties for unwarranted flights? Just a few of my thoughts. Sorry but this is getting scary! Today I spent time wondering, was the Maryland pilot possibly one of the great guys who taught water egress at AMTC? Was this crew today at any of the conferences I went to this year? Was I having fun with them recently and now they are gone? Will we be soon at one crew a month killed? Count the patient and we can be at one person a week! better odds than the lottery. ----- Original Message ----- From: jgodfrey at cnmc.org To: Flightmed Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 10:55 AM Subject: Re: air angels crash Talking to ABC news today ... Any thoughts? Sent from BlackBerryR Blue skies and tail winds!! -----Original Message----- From: irajb at aol.com Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:51:55 To: > Subject: Re: air angels crash Yep. This sucks. -----Original Message----- From: Pedsrusscott at cs.com To: flightmed at flightweb.com Sent: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 6:48 am Subject: air angels crash http://webcenters.netscape.compuserve.com/news/story.jsp?floc=DC-headline&sc =1110&idq=/ff/story/0001/20081016 /0644487220.htm _______________________________________________ Flightmed mailing list To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed _______________________________________________ Flightmed mailing list To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. 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If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. _______________________________________________ Flightmed mailing list To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed From kldflightrrt at hotmail.com Fri Oct 17 08:11:15 2008 From: kldflightrrt at hotmail.com (Kerry Lynn Dudley) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:11:15 -0400 Subject: air angels crash In-Reply-To: <614708DB.3EDEF129.329B1E73@cs.com><8CAFDAD7C31A0B0-CA4-2573@webmail-db04.sysops.aol.com> <1504718486-1224168950-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-213559752-@bxe173.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <03f901c92ffc$59be7d50$0d3b77f0$@net> <8CAFE3627EB1067-D7C-1B0E@webmail-dd09.sysops.aol.com> References: <614708DB.3EDEF129.329B1E73@cs.com><8CAFDAD7C31A0B0-CA4-2573@webmail-db04.sysops.aol.com> <1504718486-1224168950-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-213559752-@bxe173.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <03f901c92ffc$59be7d50$0d3b77f0$@net> <8CAFE3627EB1067-D7C-1B0E@webmail-dd09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I think the total lost souls in the last 16 or 18 months we have lost 36 souls www.safemedflight.com has a area listing the loss of these Hero's, they will add names and such if not listed. They are in the forefront of getting safety bills past there is currently 3 should have hearings in D.C. after the first of the year. You want a say in these new bills go to their site they go over each bill and gives contact info for reps and so much more. You want a say and Help shape new safety regulations have input, truly we in this Air Evac field know much more intimately our field better than the paper pushers. So Please go to safe Med Flight web page. We want better safety in the air it is up to us get our voices heard, not just complaining but stepping up and voicing our opinions of what will work what will not, We are our own best advocate for us and the future Air Evac employee's also our patients whom we have vowed to serve and do no harm. also My son May be in the Air next to me. He is a Medical Specialist with the 3 ID Army. would like to possibly continue in civilian life. Crazy factoid; It is really strange to fly half way around the world to do a critical DOD patient injured in the War in Iraq, Guess who I find taking care of my patient, My Son who happens to be my Hero, just shows we are all in this together. So support, Have a say, get it right, Stand for the souls lost and the ones you could be helping to save. I know I keep talking about safe med flight but they are working so hard to save lives in honor of family members lost and making it a better chance we will come home to our loved ones every nite. so PLEASE check out the site. We need to be heard and also not allow the corporate culture to be the one having the greatest input, we know that $$ figure into a corporations bottom line and the increased requirements for aircraft and sim training, education will be increase that hits very heavy on bottom line. So step up and save our own lives by supporting increased safety regulations our families and loved ones will benefit tremendously, when we arrive alive home to hold them. www.safemedflight.com -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 2:10 AM To: Subject: Re: air angels crash > you have to be careful who you listen to, "facts" aren't always "facts". > If they can't get that right - what else are they missing? I can think of > at least 3?accidents (most with multiple people killed) and I am sure > there are more with 2 pilot crews. > North Carolina? B412 > Kentucky? S-76 > Miami Childrens? S-76 > > I am sure that there are more. > > Many US programs do fly 2 pilots > > Arkansas Childrens > Miami childrens > Cleveland Metro (I believe they still do) > Most any program in an S76 > > Many more > > Real simple > use the right helicopter for the program needs, > equip it well, > great pilot selection > even better pilot training with lots of sim time > Keep the hospital/medical people out of the flight decisions > audit with real auditors - not CAMTS > > I ran 7 aeromedical programs for PHI years ago and could go on for hours > on the topic (and have several times at AMTC) and 200 helicopters for > Bristow for 5 years until 2 weeks ago > Can it be fixed? - yes > would all current programs survive - no > should they - no > > regards > Mike Suldo > probably will buy you a beer at AMTC > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Godfrey, Jonathan > To: Flightmed ; Flightmed > > Sent: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:55 pm > Subject: RE: air angels crash > > > > Personal VIGILANCE ... accountability. Not just safety and rule making, > That is > the seceret weapon. > > we can have all the tools but lose personal vigilance ... lives are lost > ... > again > > DO NOT BE NUMBER 10 ... we cannot have it. > > Jonathan Godfrey RN, CMTE > Transport Coordinator, Division of Transport Medicine > Children's National Medical Center > 111 Michigan Avenue N.W. > Washington, D.C. 20010-2970 > Pager: (202) 259-1475 > Cell: (202) 327-0521 (NEW) > Email: Jgodfrey at cnmc.org > > ________________________________ > > From: flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com on behalf of Michael Nelson > Sent: Thu 10/16/2008 10:16 PM > To: 'Flightmed' > Subject: RE: air angels crash > > > > The Crash this summer in Michigan, on the rooftop, had two pilots upfront, > a > company pilot and an FAA examiner, didn't do much for situational > awareness > that day either. > > NVG, don't work well in urban areas > HTAWS, doesn't work at all > > So what does work? EDUCATION, EDUCATION, EDUCATION, and when that fails > educate some more. > > Part 135 is a joke, designed for "air Taxi" not EMS. Let's get real about > the problem. EMS is its own animal, and needs it own rules, with people > in > the FAA who know what we do, and stop trying to make us follow flight > attendant rules. IMHO, it's time to scrap the entire system, and build it > with an end result in mind, instead of throwing more useless technology at > a > problem that already exists. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com > [mailto:flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com] On Behalf Of Richard D. Cook > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 9:02 PM > To: 'Flightmed' > Subject: RE: air angels crash > > No question that two pilots would increase the safety by putting another > person with equal interpretive and decision making skills up front. > However, I am personally aware of an EMS rotor wing crash in NC several > years ago in which there were two pilots up front. All souls were lost. > This was not an unusual circumstance such as a ferry or test flight. It > was > a patient transport. This was a program that regularly flew (and pro > bably > still does) with two pilot > > > -----Original Message----- > From: flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com > [mailto:flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com] On Behalf Of Kimberly Harrell > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 8:56 PM > To: jgodfrey at cnmc.org; Flightmed > Cc: Karen Hersman > Subject: Re: air angels crash > > What about this....at the Safety Summit in Dallas a few months ago they > showed statistics that said there has never been a crash with two pilots > on > board. I say require two pilots. Not cost effective? In my mind it is > worth > it. Why aren't we requiring night vision, TAWS, etc. Minimum aircraft > requirements? How about clear guidelines (criteria) for flying versus > ground > based solely on patient condition. How about review and penalties for > unwarranted flights? Just a few of my thoughts. Sorry but this is getting > scary! Today I spent time wondering, was the Maryland pilot possibly one > of > the great guys who taught water egress at AMTC? Was this crew today at any > of the conferences I went to this year? Was I having fun with them > recently > and now they are gone? Will we be soon at one crew a month killed? Count > the > patient and we can be at one person a week! better odds than the lottery. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jgodfrey at cnmc.org > To: Flightmed > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 10:55 AM > Subject: Re: air angels crash > > > Talking to ABC news today ... Any thoughts? > Sent from BlackBerryR Blue skies and tail winds!! > > -----Original Message----- > From: irajb at aol.com > > Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:51:55 > To: > > Subject: Re: air angels crash > > > Yep. > This sucks. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pedsrusscott at cs.com > To: flightmed at flightweb.com > Sent: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 6:48 am > Subject: air angels crash > > > > > http://webcenters.netscape.compuserve.com/news/story.jsp?floc=DC-headline&sc > =1110&idq=/ff/story/0001/20081016 > /0644487220.htm compuserve.com/news/story.jsp?floc=DC-headline&sc=1110&idq=/ff/story/0001/20 > 081016/0644487220.htm> > _______________________________________________ > Flightmed mailing list > To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed ailman/listinfo/flightmed> > > > _______________________________________________ > Flightmed mailing list > To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed ailman/listinfo/flightmed> > > > Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, > is > for the sole use of the intended > recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any > unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. > If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply > e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. > _______________________________________________ > Flightmed mailing list > To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed ailman/listinfo/flightmed> > > _______________________________________________ > Flightmed mailing list > To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed > > _______________________________________________ > Flightmed mailing list > To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1728 - Release Date: 10/16/2008 > 7:38 AM > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1728 - Release Date: 10/16/2008 > 7:38 AM > > _______________________________________________ > Flightmed mailing list > To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to > http://six.pairlist.net/m > ailman/listinfo/flightmed > > > > Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is > for > the sole use of the intended > recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any > unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. > If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply > e-mail > and destroy all copies of the original message. > _______________________________________________ > Flightmed mailing list > To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed > > > _______________________________________________ > Flightmed mailing list > To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed > > From rogertvaughan at verizon.net Fri Oct 17 08:55:15 2008 From: rogertvaughan at verizon.net (Roger Vaughan) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:55:15 -0400 Subject: air angels crash In-Reply-To: References: <614708DB.3EDEF129.329B1E73@cs.com><8CAFDAD7C31A0B0-CA4-2573@webmail-db04.sysops.aol.com> <1504718486-1224168950-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-213559752-@bxe173.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <03f901c92ffc$59be7d50$0d3b77f0$@net> <8CAFE3627EB1067-D7C-1B0E@webmail-dd09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <004a01c93057$9a4ff870$ceefe950$@net> I think the link you are referencing is www.safemedflight.org -----Original Message----- From: flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com [mailto:flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com] On Behalf Of Kerry Lynn Dudley Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 8:11 AM To: Flightmed Cc: safe med flight Subject: Re: air angels crash I think the total lost souls in the last 16 or 18 months we have lost 36 souls www.safemedflight.com has a area listing the loss of these Hero's, they will add names and such if not listed. They are in the forefront of getting safety bills past there is currently 3 should have hearings in D.C. after the first of the year. You want a say in these new bills go to their site they go over each bill and gives contact info for reps and so much more. You want a say and Help shape new safety regulations have input, truly we in this Air Evac field know much more intimately our field better than the paper pushers. So Please go to safe Med Flight web page. We want better safety in the air it is up to us get our voices heard, not just complaining but stepping up and voicing our opinions of what will work what will not, We are our own best advocate for us and the future Air Evac employee's also our patients whom we have vowed to serve and do no harm. also My son May be in the Air next to me. He is a Medical Specialist with the 3 ID Army. would like to possibly continue in civilian life. Crazy factoid; It is really strange to fly half way around the world to do a critical DOD patient injured in the War in Iraq, Guess who I find taking care of my patient, My Son who happens to be my Hero, just shows we are all in this together. So support, Have a say, get it right, Stand for the souls lost and the ones you could be helping to save. I know I keep talking about safe med flight but they are working so hard to save lives in honor of family members lost and making it a better chance we will come home to our loved ones every nite. so PLEASE check out the site. We need to be heard and also not allow the corporate culture to be the one having the greatest input, we know that $$ figure into a corporations bottom line and the increased requirements for aircraft and sim training, education will be increase that hits very heavy on bottom line. So step up and save our own lives by supporting increased safety regulations our families and loved ones will benefit tremendously, when we arrive alive home to hold them. www.safemedflight.com -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 2:10 AM To: Subject: Re: air angels crash > you have to be careful who you listen to, "facts" aren't always "facts". > If they can't get that right - what else are they missing? I can think of > at least 3?accidents (most with multiple people killed) and I am sure > there are more with 2 pilot crews. > North Carolina? B412 > Kentucky? S-76 > Miami Childrens? S-76 > > I am sure that there are more. > > Many US programs do fly 2 pilots > > Arkansas Childrens > Miami childrens > Cleveland Metro (I believe they still do) > Most any program in an S76 > > Many more > > Real simple > use the right helicopter for the program needs, > equip it well, > great pilot selection > even better pilot training with lots of sim time > Keep the hospital/medical people out of the flight decisions > audit with real auditors - not CAMTS > > I ran 7 aeromedical programs for PHI years ago and could go on for hours > on the topic (and have several times at AMTC) and 200 helicopters for > Bristow for 5 years until 2 weeks ago > Can it be fixed? - yes > would all current programs survive - no > should they - no > > regards > Mike Suldo > probably will buy you a beer at AMTC > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Godfrey, Jonathan > To: Flightmed ; Flightmed > > Sent: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:55 pm > Subject: RE: air angels crash > > > > Personal VIGILANCE ... accountability. Not just safety and rule making, > That is > the seceret weapon. > > we can have all the tools but lose personal vigilance ... lives are lost > ... > again > > DO NOT BE NUMBER 10 ... we cannot have it. > > Jonathan Godfrey RN, CMTE > Transport Coordinator, Division of Transport Medicine > Children's National Medical Center > 111 Michigan Avenue N.W. > Washington, D.C. 20010-2970 > Pager: (202) 259-1475 > Cell: (202) 327-0521 (NEW) > Email: Jgodfrey at cnmc.org > > ________________________________ > > From: flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com on behalf of Michael Nelson > Sent: Thu 10/16/2008 10:16 PM > To: 'Flightmed' > Subject: RE: air angels crash > > > > The Crash this summer in Michigan, on the rooftop, had two pilots upfront, > a > company pilot and an FAA examiner, didn't do much for situational > awareness > that day either. > > NVG, don't work well in urban areas > HTAWS, doesn't work at all > > So what does work? EDUCATION, EDUCATION, EDUCATION, and when that fails > educate some more. > > Part 135 is a joke, designed for "air Taxi" not EMS. Let's get real about > the problem. EMS is its own animal, and needs it own rules, with people > in > the FAA who know what we do, and stop trying to make us follow flight > attendant rules. IMHO, it's time to scrap the entire system, and build it > with an end result in mind, instead of throwing more useless technology at > a > problem that already exists. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com > [mailto:flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com] On Behalf Of Richard D. Cook > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 9:02 PM > To: 'Flightmed' > Subject: RE: air angels crash > > No question that two pilots would increase the safety by putting another > person with equal interpretive and decision making skills up front. > However, I am personally aware of an EMS rotor wing crash in NC several > years ago in which there were two pilots up front. All souls were lost. > This was not an unusual circumstance such as a ferry or test flight. It > was > a patient transport. This was a program that regularly flew (and pro > bably > still does) with two pilot > > > -----Original Message----- > From: flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com > [mailto:flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com] On Behalf Of Kimberly Harrell > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 8:56 PM > To: jgodfrey at cnmc.org; Flightmed > Cc: Karen Hersman > Subject: Re: air angels crash > > What about this....at the Safety Summit in Dallas a few months ago they > showed statistics that said there has never been a crash with two pilots > on > board. I say require two pilots. Not cost effective? In my mind it is > worth > it. Why aren't we requiring night vision, TAWS, etc. Minimum aircraft > requirements? How about clear guidelines (criteria) for flying versus > ground > based solely on patient condition. How about review and penalties for > unwarranted flights? Just a few of my thoughts. Sorry but this is getting > scary! Today I spent time wondering, was the Maryland pilot possibly one > of > the great guys who taught water egress at AMTC? Was this crew today at any > of the conferences I went to this year? Was I having fun with them > recently > and now they are gone? Will we be soon at one crew a month killed? Count > the > patient and we can be at one person a week! better odds than the lottery. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jgodfrey at cnmc.org > To: Flightmed > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 10:55 AM > Subject: Re: air angels crash > > > Talking to ABC news today ... Any thoughts? > Sent from BlackBerryR Blue skies and tail winds!! > > -----Original Message----- > From: irajb at aol.com > > Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:51:55 > To: > > Subject: Re: air angels crash > > > Yep. > This sucks. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pedsrusscott at cs.com > To: flightmed at flightweb.com > Sent: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 6:48 am > Subject: air angels crash > > > > > http://webcenters.netscape.compuserve.com/news/story.jsp?floc=DC-headline&sc > =1110&idq=/ff/story/0001/20081016 > /0644487220.htm compuserve.com/news/story.jsp?floc=DC-headline&sc=1110&idq=/ff/story/0001/20 > 081016/0644487220.htm> > _______________________________________________ > Flightmed mailing list > To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed ailman/listinfo/flightmed> > > > _______________________________________________ > Flightmed mailing list > To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed ailman/listinfo/flightmed> > > > Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, > is > for the sole use of the intended > recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any > unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. > If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply > e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. > _______________________________________________ > Flightmed mailing list > To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed ailman/listinfo/flightmed> > > _______________________________________________ > Flightmed mailing list > To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed > > _______________________________________________ > Flightmed mailing list > To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1728 - Release Date: 10/16/2008 > 7:38 AM > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1728 - Release Date: 10/16/2008 > 7:38 AM > > _______________________________________________ > Flightmed mailing list > To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to > http://six.pairlist.net/m > ailman/listinfo/flightmed > > > > Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is > for > the sole use of the intended > recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any > unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. > If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply > e-mail > and destroy all copies of the original message. > _______________________________________________ > Flightmed mailing list > To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed > > > _______________________________________________ > Flightmed mailing list > To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed > > _______________________________________________ Flightmed mailing list To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed From kldflightrrt at hotmail.com Fri Oct 17 09:26:51 2008 From: kldflightrrt at hotmail.com (Kerry Lynn Dudley) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:26:51 -0400 Subject: air angels crash In-Reply-To: <614708DB.3EDEF129.329B1E73@cs.com><8CAFDAD7C31A0B0-CA4-2573@webmail-db04.sysops.aol.com><1504718486-1224168950-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-213559752-@bxe173.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><03f901c92ffc$59be7d50$0d3b77f0$@net><8CAFE3627EB1067-D7C-1B0E@webmail-dd09.sysops.aol.com> <004a01c93057$9a4ff870$ceefe950$@net> References: <614708DB.3EDEF129.329B1E73@cs.com><8CAFDAD7C31A0B0-CA4-2573@webmail-db04.sysops.aol.com><1504718486-1224168950-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-213559752-@bxe173.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><03f901c92ffc$59be7d50$0d3b77f0$@net><8CAFE3627EB1067-D7C-1B0E@webmail-dd09.sysops.aol.com> <004a01c93057$9a4ff870$ceefe950$@net> Message-ID: Mr Vaughan you are completely right thank you for correcting that, had insomnia all night so been up for 36 hours PTSD effects sleep a lot. Thank you again, they are great, Working so hard. I try to help as much as possible. I am one of the lucky ones, lived thru a fiery crash, not healthy enough to work but I can hug my family that the most important thing. maybe we will see you in D.C. for the hearings. thanks again have a great day! -------------------------------------------------- From: "Roger Vaughan" Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 8:55 AM To: "'Flightmed'" Subject: RE: air angels crash > I think the link you are referencing is www.safemedflight.org > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com > [mailto:flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com] On Behalf Of Kerry Lynn Dudley > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 8:11 AM > To: Flightmed > Cc: safe med flight > Subject: Re: air angels crash > > I think the total lost souls in the last 16 or 18 months we have lost 36 > souls www.safemedflight.com has a area listing the loss of these > Hero's, they will add names and such if not listed. They are in the > forefront of getting safety bills past there is currently 3 should have > hearings in D.C. after the first of the year. You want a say in these new > bills go to their site they go over each bill and gives contact info for > reps and so much more. You want a say and Help shape new safety > regulations > have input, truly we in this Air Evac field know much more intimately our > field better than the paper pushers. So Please go to safe Med Flight web > page. We want better safety in the air it is up to us get our voices > heard, > > not just complaining but stepping up and voicing our opinions of what will > work what will not, We are our own best advocate for us and the future Air > Evac employee's also our patients whom we have vowed to serve and do no > harm. also My son May be in the Air next to me. He is a Medical Specialist > with the 3 ID Army. would like to possibly continue in civilian life. > > Crazy factoid; It is really strange to fly half way around the world to do > a > > critical DOD patient injured in the War in Iraq, Guess who I find taking > care of my patient, My Son who happens to be my Hero, just shows we are > all > in this together. > > So support, Have a say, get it right, Stand for the souls lost and the > ones > you could be helping to save. > > I know I keep talking about safe med flight but they are working so hard > to > > save lives in honor of family members lost and making it a better chance > we > will come home to our loved ones every nite. > so PLEASE check out the site. We need to be heard and also not allow the > corporate culture to be the one having the greatest input, we know that $$ > figure into a corporations bottom line and the increased requirements for > aircraft and sim training, education will be increase that hits very > heavy > on bottom line. So step up and save our own lives by supporting increased > safety regulations our families and loved ones will benefit tremendously, > when we arrive alive home to hold them. > > www.safemedflight.com > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 2:10 AM > To: > Subject: Re: air angels crash > >> you have to be careful who you listen to, "facts" aren't always "facts". >> If they can't get that right - what else are they missing? I can think of >> at least 3?accidents (most with multiple people killed) and I am sure >> there are more with 2 pilot crews. >> North Carolina? B412 >> Kentucky? S-76 >> Miami Childrens? S-76 >> >> I am sure that there are more. >> >> Many US programs do fly 2 pilots >> >> Arkansas Childrens >> Miami childrens >> Cleveland Metro (I believe they still do) >> Most any program in an S76 >> >> Many more >> >> Real simple >> use the right helicopter for the program needs, >> equip it well, >> great pilot selection >> even better pilot training with lots of sim time >> Keep the hospital/medical people out of the flight decisions >> audit with real auditors - not CAMTS >> >> I ran 7 aeromedical programs for PHI years ago and could go on for hours >> on the topic (and have several times at AMTC) and 200 helicopters for >> Bristow for 5 years until 2 weeks ago >> Can it be fixed? - yes >> would all current programs survive - no >> should they - no >> >> regards >> Mike Suldo >> probably will buy you a beer at AMTC >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Godfrey, Jonathan >> To: Flightmed ; Flightmed >> >> Sent: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:55 pm >> Subject: RE: air angels crash >> >> >> >> Personal VIGILANCE ... accountability. Not just safety and rule making, >> That is >> the seceret weapon. >> >> we can have all the tools but lose personal vigilance ... lives are lost >> ... >> again >> >> DO NOT BE NUMBER 10 ... we cannot have it. >> >> Jonathan Godfrey RN, CMTE >> Transport Coordinator, Division of Transport Medicine >> Children's National Medical Center >> 111 Michigan Avenue N.W. >> Washington, D.C. 20010-2970 >> Pager: (202) 259-1475 >> Cell: (202) 327-0521 (NEW) >> Email: Jgodfrey at cnmc.org >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com on behalf of Michael Nelson >> Sent: Thu 10/16/2008 10:16 PM >> To: 'Flightmed' >> Subject: RE: air angels crash >> >> >> >> The Crash this summer in Michigan, on the rooftop, had two pilots >> upfront, > >> a >> company pilot and an FAA examiner, didn't do much for situational >> awareness >> that day either. >> >> NVG, don't work well in urban areas >> HTAWS, doesn't work at all >> >> So what does work? EDUCATION, EDUCATION, EDUCATION, and when that fails >> educate some more. >> >> Part 135 is a joke, designed for "air Taxi" not EMS. Let's get real >> about >> the problem. EMS is its own animal, and needs it own rules, with people >> in >> the FAA who know what we do, and stop trying to make us follow flight >> attendant rules. IMHO, it's time to scrap the entire system, and build >> it >> with an end result in mind, instead of throwing more useless technology >> at > >> a >> problem that already exists. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com >> [mailto:flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com] On Behalf Of Richard D. Cook >> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 9:02 PM >> To: 'Flightmed' >> Subject: RE: air angels crash >> >> No question that two pilots would increase the safety by putting another >> person with equal interpretive and decision making skills up front. >> However, I am personally aware of an EMS rotor wing crash in NC several >> years ago in which there were two pilots up front. All souls were lost. >> This was not an unusual circumstance such as a ferry or test flight. It >> was >> a patient transport. This was a program that regularly flew (and pro >> bably >> still does) with two pilot >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com >> [mailto:flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com] On Behalf Of Kimberly Harrell >> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 8:56 PM >> To: jgodfrey at cnmc.org; Flightmed >> Cc: Karen Hersman >> Subject: Re: air angels crash >> >> What about this....at the Safety Summit in Dallas a few months ago they >> showed statistics that said there has never been a crash with two pilots >> on >> board. I say require two pilots. Not cost effective? In my mind it is >> worth >> it. Why aren't we requiring night vision, TAWS, etc. Minimum aircraft >> requirements? How about clear guidelines (criteria) for flying versus >> ground >> based solely on patient condition. How about review and penalties for >> unwarranted flights? Just a few of my thoughts. Sorry but this is getting >> scary! Today I spent time wondering, was the Maryland pilot possibly one >> of >> the great guys who taught water egress at AMTC? Was this crew today at >> any >> of the conferences I went to this year? Was I having fun with them >> recently >> and now they are gone? Will we be soon at one crew a month killed? Count >> the >> patient and we can be at one person a week! better odds than the lottery. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: jgodfrey at cnmc.org >> To: Flightmed >> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 10:55 AM >> Subject: Re: air angels crash >> >> >> Talking to ABC news today ... Any thoughts? >> Sent from BlackBerryR Blue skies and tail winds!! >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: irajb at aol.com >> >> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:51:55 >> To: > >> Subject: Re: air angels crash >> >> >> Yep. >> This sucks. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Pedsrusscott at cs.com >> To: flightmed at flightweb.com >> Sent: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 6:48 am >> Subject: air angels crash >> >> >> >> >> > http://webcenters.netscape.compuserve.com/news/story.jsp?floc=DC-headline&sc >> =1110&idq=/ff/story/0001/20081016 >> /0644487220.htm> > compuserve.com/news/story.jsp?floc=DC-headline&sc=1110&idq=/ff/story/0001/20 >> 081016/0644487220.htm> >> _______________________________________________ >> Flightmed mailing list >> To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to >> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed> ailman/listinfo/flightmed> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Flightmed mailing list >> To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to >> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed> ailman/listinfo/flightmed> >> >> >> Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, >> is >> for the sole use of the intended >> recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. >> Any >> unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. >> If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by >> reply >> e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. >> _______________________________________________ >> Flightmed mailing list >> To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to >> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed> ailman/listinfo/flightmed> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Flightmed mailing list >> To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Flightmed mailing list >> To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1728 - Release Date: >> 10/16/2008 >> 7:38 AM >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1728 - Release Date: >> 10/16/2008 >> 7:38 AM >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Flightmed mailing list >> To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to >> http://six.pairlist.net/m >> ailman/listinfo/flightmed >> >> >> >> Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, >> is > >> for >> the sole use of the intended >> recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any >> unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. >> If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply >> e-mail >> and destroy all copies of the original message. >> _______________________________________________ >> Flightmed mailing list >> To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Flightmed mailing list >> To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Flightmed mailing list > To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed > > > _______________________________________________ > Flightmed mailing list > To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed > > From roodaboo at aol.com Fri Oct 17 11:07:34 2008 From: roodaboo at aol.com (roodaboo at aol.com) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:07:34 -0400 Subject: CANCEL Message-ID: <8CAFE8138493086-EEC-530@WEBMAIL-DC17.sysops.aol.com> PLEASE TAKE ME OFF OF YOUR E-MAIL LIST. RODNEY DUTTON From Pedsrusscott at cs.com Sat Oct 18 19:23:58 2008 From: Pedsrusscott at cs.com (Pedsrusscott at cs.com) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 19:23:58 -0400 Subject: amtc peds jeopardy cancellation Message-ID: <57F8D669.2A290A9F.329B1E73@cs.com> For those attending AMTC next week, who were planning on attending my peds jeopardy presentation Tuesday AM, due to a death in the family today, I will unfortunately be unable to make AMTC this year Thank you for understanding Scott DeBoer RN,MSN,CFRN Flight Nurse: UCAN Founder: Peds-R-Us Medical Education From user313629 at aol.com Sat Oct 18 21:50:10 2008 From: user313629 at aol.com (user313629 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 21:50:10 -0400 Subject: amtc peds jeopardy cancellation In-Reply-To: <57F8D669.2A290A9F.329B1E73@cs.com> References: <57F8D669.2A290A9F.329B1E73@cs.com> Message-ID: <8CAFFA427FA5FDC-1694-3A08@webmail-da11.sysops.aol.com> Scott, Sorry to hear that. God with you. Brian -----Original Message----- From: Pedsrusscott at cs.com To: flightmed at flightweb.com Sent: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 4:23 pm Subject: amtc peds jeopardy cancellation For those attending AMTC next week, who were planning on attending my peds jeopardy presentation Tuesday AM, due to a death in the family today, I will unfortunately be unable to make AMTC this year Thank you for understanding Scott DeBoer RN,MSN,CFRN Flight Nurse: UCAN Founder: Peds-R-Us Medical Education _______________________________________________ Flightmed mailing list To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed From Pedsrusscott at cs.com Sun Oct 19 00:31:22 2008 From: Pedsrusscott at cs.com (Pedsrusscott at cs.com) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 00:31:22 -0400 Subject: amtc peds jeopardy cancellation Message-ID: <61ED90F7.65E00D15.329B1E73@cs.com> Brian - thank you my friend - flight medic funeral this afternoon (air angels) & now family monday/tuesday - bad bad week user313629 at aol.com wrote: >Scott, > >Sorry to hear that. God with you. >Brian > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Pedsrusscott at cs.com >To: flightmed at flightweb.com >Sent: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 4:23 pm >Subject: amtc peds jeopardy cancellation > > > >For those attending AMTC next week, who were planning on attending my peds >jeopardy presentation Tuesday AM, due to a death in the family today, I will >unfortunately be unable to make AMTC this year >Thank you for understanding >Scott DeBoer RN,MSN,CFRN >Flight Nurse: UCAN >Founder: Peds-R-Us Medical Education >_______________________________________________ >Flightmed mailing list >To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed > > >_______________________________________________ >Flightmed mailing list >To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed > >