air angels crash

Michael Nelson manemtp at yahoo.com
Thu Oct 16 22:16:26 EDT 2008


The Crash this summer in Michigan, on the rooftop, had two pilots upfront, a
company pilot and an FAA examiner, didn't do much for situational awareness
that day either.

NVG, don't work well in urban areas
HTAWS, doesn’t work at all

So what does work? EDUCATION, EDUCATION, EDUCATION, and when that fails
educate some more.

Part 135 is a joke, designed for "air Taxi" not EMS. Let's get real about
the problem. EMS is its own animal, and needs it own rules, with people in
the FAA who know what we do, and stop trying to make us follow flight
attendant rules. IMHO, it's time to scrap the entire system, and build it
with an end result in mind, instead of throwing more useless technology at a
problem that already exists.


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[mailto:flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com] On Behalf Of Richard D. Cook
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 9:02 PM
To: 'Flightmed'
Subject: RE: air angels crash

No question that two pilots would increase the safety by putting another
person with equal interpretive and decision making skills up front.
However, I am personally aware of an EMS rotor wing crash in NC several
years ago in which there were two pilots up front. All souls were lost.
This was not an unusual circumstance such as a ferry or test flight. It was
a patient transport. This was a program that regularly flew (and probably
still does) with two pilot


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[mailto:flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com] On Behalf Of Kimberly Harrell
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 8:56 PM
To: jgodfrey at cnmc.org; Flightmed
Cc: Karen Hersman
Subject: Re: air angels crash

What about this....at the Safety Summit in Dallas a few months ago they
showed statistics that said there has never been a crash with two pilots on
board. I say require two pilots. Not cost effective? In my mind it is worth
it. Why aren't we requiring night vision, TAWS, etc. Minimum aircraft
requirements? How about clear guidelines (criteria) for flying versus ground
based solely on patient condition. How about review and penalties for
unwarranted flights? Just a few of my thoughts. Sorry but this is getting
scary! Today I spent time wondering, was the Maryland pilot possibly one of
the great guys who taught water egress at AMTC? Was this crew today at any
of the conferences I went to this year? Was I having fun with them recently
and now they are gone? Will we be soon at one crew a month killed? Count the
patient and we can be at one person a week! better odds than the lottery.
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Talking to ABC news today ... Any thoughts?
Sent from BlackBerryR Blue skies and tail winds!!

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:51:55
To: <flightmed at flightweb.com<mailto:flightmed at flightweb.com>>
Subject: Re: air angels crash


Yep.
This sucks.



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