air angels crash

[Kerry Lynn Dudley]

Mr Vaughan you are completely right thank you for correcting that, had 
insomnia all night so been up for 36 hours PTSD effects sleep a lot.
Thank you again, they are great, Working so hard. I try to help as much as 
possible. I am one of the lucky ones, lived thru a fiery  crash, not healthy 
enough to work but I can hug my family that the most important thing. maybe 
we will see you in D.C. for the hearings. thanks again have a great day!

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From: "Roger Vaughan" <rogertvaughan at verizon.net>
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 8:55 AM
To: "'Flightmed'" <flightmed at flightweb.com>
Subject: RE: air angels crash


> I think the link you are referencing is www.safemedflight.org

>

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com

> [mailto:flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com] On Behalf Of Kerry Lynn Dudley

> Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 8:11 AM

> To: Flightmed

> Cc: safe med flight

> Subject: Re: air angels crash

>

> I think the total lost souls in the last 16 or 18 months we have lost 36

> souls    www.safemedflight.com   has a area listing the loss of these

> Hero's, they will add names and such if not listed. They are in the

> forefront of getting safety bills past there is currently 3 should have

> hearings in D.C. after the first of the year. You want a say in these new

> bills go to their site they go over each bill and gives contact info for

> reps and so much more. You want a say and Help shape new safety 

> regulations

> have input, truly we in this Air Evac field know much more intimately our

> field better than the paper pushers. So Please go to  safe Med Flight web

> page.  We want better safety in the air it is up to us get our voices 

> heard,

>

> not just complaining but stepping up and voicing our opinions of what will

> work what will not, We are our own best advocate for us and the future Air

> Evac employee's also our patients  whom we have vowed to serve and do no

> harm. also My son May be in the Air next to me. He is a Medical Specialist

> with the 3 ID Army.  would like to possibly continue in civilian life.

>

> Crazy factoid; It is really strange to fly half way around the world to do 

> a

>

> critical DOD patient injured in the War in Iraq, Guess who I find taking

> care of my patient, My Son who happens to be my Hero, just shows we are 

> all

> in this together.

>

> So support, Have a say, get it right, Stand for the souls lost and the 

> ones

> you could be helping to save.

>

> I know I keep talking about  safe med flight but they are working so hard 

> to

>

> save lives in honor of family members lost and making it a better chance 

> we

> will come home to our loved ones every nite.

> so PLEASE check out the site. We need to be heard and also not allow the

> corporate culture to be the one having the greatest input, we know that $$

> figure into a corporations bottom line and the increased requirements for

> aircraft and sim training, education  will be increase that hits very 

> heavy

> on bottom line. So step up and save our own lives by supporting increased

> safety regulations our families and loved ones will benefit tremendously,

> when we arrive alive home to hold them.

>

> www.safemedflight.com

>

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> From: <msuldo at aol.com>

> Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 2:10 AM

> To: <flightmed at flightweb.com>

> Subject: Re: air angels crash

>

>> you have to be careful who you listen to, "facts" aren't always "facts".

>> If they can't get that right - what else are they missing? I can think of

>> at least 3?accidents (most with multiple people killed) and I am sure

>> there are more with 2 pilot crews.

>> North Carolina? B412

>> Kentucky? S-76

>> Miami Childrens? S-76

>>

>> I am sure that there are more.

>>

>> Many US programs do fly 2 pilots

>>

>> Arkansas Childrens

>> Miami childrens

>> Cleveland Metro (I believe they still do)

>> Most any program in an S76

>>

>> Many more

>>

>> Real simple

>> use the right helicopter for the program needs,

>> equip it well,

>> great pilot selection

>> even better pilot training with lots of sim time

>> Keep the hospital/medical people out of the flight decisions

>> audit with real auditors - not CAMTS

>>

>> I ran 7 aeromedical programs for PHI years ago and could go on for hours

>> on the topic (and have several times at AMTC) and 200 helicopters for

>> Bristow for 5 years until 2 weeks ago

>> Can it be fixed? - yes

>> would all current programs survive - no

>> should they - no

>>

>> regards

>> Mike Suldo

>> probably will buy you a beer at AMTC

>>

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: Godfrey, Jonathan <JGodfrey at cnmc.org>

>> To: Flightmed <flightmed at flightweb.com>; Flightmed

>> <flightmed at flightweb.com>

>> Sent: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:55 pm

>> Subject: RE: air angels crash

>>

>>

>>

>> Personal VIGILANCE ... accountability. Not just safety and rule making,

>> That is

>> the seceret weapon.

>>

>> we can have all the tools but lose personal vigilance ... lives are lost

>> ...

>> again

>>

>> DO NOT BE NUMBER 10 ... we cannot have it.

>>

>> Jonathan Godfrey RN, CMTE

>> Transport Coordinator, Division of Transport Medicine

>> Children's National Medical Center

>> 111 Michigan Avenue N.W.

>> Washington, D.C. 20010-2970

>> Pager:  (202) 259-1475

>> Cell: (202) 327-0521 (NEW)

>> Email:  Jgodfrey at cnmc.org

>>

>> ________________________________

>>

>> From: flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com on behalf of Michael Nelson

>> Sent: Thu 10/16/2008 10:16 PM

>> To: 'Flightmed'

>> Subject: RE: air angels crash

>>

>>

>>

>> The Crash this summer in Michigan, on the rooftop, had two pilots 

>> upfront,

>

>> a

>> company pilot and an FAA examiner, didn't do much for situational

>> awareness

>> that day either.

>>

>> NVG, don't work well in urban areas

>> HTAWS, doesn't work at all

>>

>> So what does work?  EDUCATION, EDUCATION, EDUCATION, and when that fails

>> educate some more.

>>

>> Part 135 is a joke, designed for "air Taxi" not EMS.  Let's get real 

>> about

>> the problem.  EMS is its own animal, and needs it own rules, with people

>> in

>> the FAA who know what we do, and stop trying to make us follow flight

>> attendant rules.  IMHO, it's time to scrap the entire system, and build 

>> it

>> with an end result in mind, instead of throwing more useless technology 

>> at

>

>> a

>> problem that already exists.

>>

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com

>> [mailto:flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com] On Behalf Of Richard D. Cook

>> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 9:02 PM

>> To: 'Flightmed'

>> Subject: RE: air angels crash

>>

>> No question that two pilots would increase the safety by putting another

>> person with equal interpretive and decision making skills up front.

>> However, I am personally aware of an EMS rotor wing crash in NC several

>> years ago in which there were two pilots up front.  All souls were lost.

>> This was not an unusual circumstance such as a ferry or test flight.  It

>> was

>> a patient transport.  This was a program that regularly flew (and pro

>> bably

>> still does) with two pilot

>>

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com

>> [mailto:flightmed-bounces at flightweb.com] On Behalf Of Kimberly Harrell

>> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 8:56 PM

>> To: jgodfrey at cnmc.org; Flightmed

>> Cc: Karen Hersman

>> Subject: Re: air angels crash

>>

>> What about this....at the Safety Summit in Dallas a few months ago they

>> showed statistics that said there has never been a crash with two pilots

>> on

>> board. I say require two pilots. Not cost effective? In my mind it is

>> worth

>> it. Why aren't we requiring night vision, TAWS, etc. Minimum aircraft

>> requirements? How about clear guidelines (criteria) for flying versus

>> ground

>> based solely on patient condition. How about review and penalties for

>> unwarranted flights? Just a few of my thoughts. Sorry but this is getting

>> scary! Today I spent time wondering, was the Maryland pilot possibly one

>> of

>> the great guys who taught water egress at AMTC? Was this crew today at 

>> any

>> of the conferences I went to this year? Was I having fun with them

>> recently

>> and now they are gone? Will we be soon at one crew a month killed? Count

>> the

>> patient and we can be at one person a week! better odds than the lottery.

>>  ----- Original Message -----

>>  From: jgodfrey at cnmc.org<mailto:jgodfrey at cnmc.org>

>>  To: Flightmed<mailto:flightmed at flightweb.com>

>>  Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 10:55 AM

>>  Subject: Re: air angels crash

>>

>>

>>  Talking to ABC news today ... Any thoughts?

>>  Sent from BlackBerryR Blue skies and tail winds!!

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>>  Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:51:55

>>  To: <flightmed at flightweb.com<mailto:flightmed at flightweb.com>>

>>  Subject: Re: air angels crash

>>

>>

>>  Yep.

>>  This sucks.

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>>  Subject: air angels crash

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