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<font face="Georgia">Hmm, Andrew, "</font>Less need to keep the paper
once it is scanned." I don't think anybody said that. I disagree with
the statement, and Steve was talking about his need to keep the paper,
so that he could give it to a repository for safe keeping, once it was
scanned. I think that point was missed in the notes. Also, I would
rather not put out in public a discussion about an individual's
papers. So perhaps let's just remove that bit.<br>
<br>
Also, could you remove the notes about the Edge article that was not
written? What I said did not come out right, and besides, that was
just an informal comment, not meant for broadcasting.<br>
<br>
Henry<br>
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Rachel "Sheepy" Donahue wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:op.urrw090mfmh8gn@sherpa.westell.com" type="cite">Thanks
for the notes!
<br>
<br>
A few comments:
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<br>
Scanning is not a valid preservation method!!! Ahhhh! ;)
<br>
Just saying so because it sounded like you were saying you "didn't
need" the physical items if they were scanned.. but paper is much more
straightforward and cheaper to preserve!
<br>
<br>
You say:
<br>
<br>
" Fair use is very unexplored territory around this. No test cases for
any of this stuff. Only way to test things is in court. Fair use for
literary material is cannot copy more then part of the work..."
<br>
<br>
Mind, my response is entirely from a US IP law perspective.
<br>
I was at an archives conference a few months back and had the good
fortune of going to a session with a pretty knowledgable (to this peon)
IP lawyer. I asked her what shrink wrap license meant for the fair use
exemptions that exist in copyright law, and she said that as there is
precedent for people making personal agreements to circumvent that sort
of law, "agreeing" to the license means forfeiting those rights
completely.
<br>
<br>
There's also a fair amount of case law (in the US) -- especially from
before the DMCA was enacted -- regarding shrink wrap licenses, but it
is really painful to wade through if you're not a lawyer. There were
some consumer protection laws that were suggested, but ultimately
didn't get passed, if I recall. I haven't looked at much of the legal
literature surrounding DMCA, though (yet).
<br>
<br>
"An IGDA position to have an official archivist at every company"
<br>
<br>
I obviously support this ;)
<br>
<br>
"Maybe having the SIG being a coordinator like the IEEE History Centre.
We can also go to the other SIG's and get the history of their area of
history covered."
<br>
<br>
This might be a little crazy, but when I first thought of the survey I
thought it would be really cool if something like the American
Institute of Physics did for physics could be done for the game
industry. Basically they went around to the major physics industry
names and took a look at record keeping/generating practices of the
company as a whole and invididual scientists. The report is really cool
and loaded with useful information, and will prove to be an important
tool in preserving the history of physics (which is what AIP strives to
do). I think it's a good model for any organization looking to preserve
industry history; not just the sciences.
<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.aip.org/history/pubs/hopi.html">http://www.aip.org/history/pubs/hopi.html</a>
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Obviously a HUGE undertaking, and would probably face a lot of
difficulty getting to the people in the know since game development is
a bit more of a closed industry, and I don't think developers view the
IGDA (I could be wrong!) with the same sort of respect AIP gets. So
getting in the door is harder.
<br>
<br>
"A final point on how much it costs to preserve one game - the cost can
be from zero to who knows. Say $50,000 if just being asked to preserve
something ? a big number to do it, just because people like numbers!"
<br>
<br>
The cost is difficult to calculate because it isn't a one-time, fixed
cost. Sure, the initial "archiving" of the game may be relatively
inexpensive.. but what does sustaining it cost? There will be money
involved in maintaining the servers, migrating emulator code (or the
game itself), refreshing media, etc, and that's trickier to project.
<br>
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Ok, I'm done.
<br>
Rach
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