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Yeah, sounds like some interesting information since, well, I'm sure I
can get my old DOS disks working in Virtual PC or somesuch, which with
what the power is on desktops right now, should be better then DOSBox -
as it'd not emulate, but just virtualise the OS.<br>
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Shame that > Vista DOS is basically nil then. XP had no DOS really,
so it'd not be too good for that. I was more referring to XP-only items
- not that many exist, but a few games just are Vista-incompatible due
to hardcoding problems and strange workarounds.<br>
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Andrew<br>
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That data sounds extremely interesting - I think our emulator people may be very keen to see it - do you know if it's public, or do you have a contact?
Thanks
Dan
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<pre wrap=""><!---->Devin,
Not as part of the preservation project's data-gathering. It's possible
that the RIT group is working in this area. The RIT data that I have
seen is a qualitative grid of performance tests.
Henry
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Has there been any discussion in terms of universal virtual computers
(UVCs) and how you can create a universal test code to determine how
accurately the emulator is performing in relation to the original
hardware?
-Devin
On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Henry Lowood <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:lowood@stanford.edu">lowood@stanford.edu</a>
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Andrew,
the RIT team that is part of our Library of Congress has been
testing not XP, but DOS compatibility, as we work on preservation
of DOOM (among other games). Andy Phelps from the RIT team
concludes, "DOSBox on Win7 is the best we can get on the modern
OS's." There were still issues with drivers. I'm not sure how
much you can conclude from this about XP, but it does address
early games.
Henry
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<pre wrap=""> So I've pre-ordered Windows 7 so it's not rediculously-expensive,
instead just man-thats-expensive. It does, it says, come with a
virtual way of running apps in an XP environment (I got the Pro
or whatever version, but not just for this).
I was wondering, since I don't have the RC installed, does this
work at all for any kind of games, or is it purely just the XP
API with no real driver support? I know VirtualPC which you can
run OS's off is basically like running on a stripped down box
with a generic CPU, some RAM and a hard drive, but no graphics or
sound support to speak of. I don't know if it is the same way of
doing it, simply more built-in to the OS?
I just know some games won't work with 7 (like Vista, since they
run a very similar OS model), and virtulising XP might be a cure
for that, but only if there is hardware support in it.
I think once I research this a bit more (since as on XP now, I
have very few problems running older games) I'll get digging into
WINE and also emulator projects (DOSBox is obvious, others that
are starting to provide hardware support or 3d emulation are
worth looking at too) and might gather some resources for our
list (bibliography website still pending ;) ). If anyone has a
list of these it'd be welcome, before I get a new PC and slam
into the ground running on Vista SP3, I mean, Windows 7 ;)
Thanks!
Andrew
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