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Yeah, I was joking about the wiki, it's your document, hehe - you said
you have a wiki ;) perfect application unless you've got a good
relational database for processing entries like that :)<br>
<br>
I've got no documents myself on doom level editing - I dabbled a little
in it but that was, wow, years ago now, sorry. I'll leave it to someone
else to know of a good one, I am sure someone else on this list would
have a clue. I wonder if any of the DOOM books are related to level
editing directly. There I know there is a few on just DOOM itself - I
still need to read Masters of Doom, going to borrow it off a friend
sometime (who ranted it was a great book himself, popular one that :)
hehe).<br>
<br>
A few things if you want more comments - for the web links, perhaps
there should be secondary links to Archive-It copies of the resources
linked to directly (unless the implication is you have local copies
downloaded of them) - most of them are Archive-It or Wayback but a few
are just direct links at least (classic doom links, some mobygames,
planetdoom...). It seems more a mistake not having them - thus I guess
it's a standard practice to get an Archive-It copy to add it to a
manifest?<br>
<br>
Another thing is dates. Is it worth in a manifest listing the dates
items were either created or posted, or when they were looked at on the
internet? Most do have wayback implicit dates mind you, and in a list
that might not be appropriate I guess :)<br>
<br>
Finally - I just wondered, probably slightly related, but I guess there
is no cause for concern having items like the DOOM manual basically in
a manifest - ie; I presume a user-scanned copy of it (or maybe off the
CD versions?). For other games, links to unofficial translations for
ROM files, or emulation programs necessary to run something, etc.
always might need to be added, no problems there I hope - I've no idea
what the range of things the manifest should have in it is of course,
or what reasons there might be to not add anything (apart from the
obvious "you can't fit everything in, and not everything is of the same
importance").<br>
<br>
I also did thoroughly re-read it just now - you've got an error for
"MobyGames entry for Ultimate DOOM" copies the link from the above
entry.<br>
<br>
Andrew<br>
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Andrew,<br>
<br>
I think you were kidding, but just in case: Please don't put it on the
wiki. It's a draft for comments. When all is said and done, we'll
have all the documentation up on our project wiki, at which point it
will be available for all sorts of pointing and clicking.<br>
<br>
On maps/levels in the manifest (at that time, the terms were in flux).
Since this version, the one document I have added is Forsman &
Kremeier's classic piece on BSP and DOOM rendering, plus there is the
Q&A on editing. But you're right, a tutorial on map/level design
would be nice. If anyone wants to suggest a good document on that
topic, I'll consider including it.<br>
<br>
Another point is that there is a fair-sized library of printed books on
that subject, which we can hope will still be available 100 years from
now.<br>
<br>
Henry<br>
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Thanks for the advice, I did open it in Open Office but sometimes,
well, things do get mangled (whatever Microsoft format it is, mind
you). It's pretty basic text though, hooray :D I'm tempted to put it on
the wiki :)<br>
<br>
I liked reading the manifest. Covers all the areas I can think of
except I guess technical documentation and tutorials for how to build
levels for the game are kind of missing (so both technical
documentation on the game, and how to build things for the game). Not
needed for getting to know the game though.<br>
<br>
A very good example, certainly since it contains everything that would
be needed to literally install and play the game, with some good
important background pieces too.<br>
<br>
Andrew<br>
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Devin Monnens wrote:
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type="cite">The latest Open Office seems to have .docx support. But I
still refuse to save anything in that format. This format shift has
caused nothing but troubles. I don't even see how it is supposedly
'better' than the old version. I have enough trouble trying to teach
students how to use the new Office without having to describe to them
how to 'save as' a document (yes, this is rocket science to them).
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Alan Au
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Microsoft released a compatibility tool a while back:<br>
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- Alan<br>
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________________________________<br>
> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 18:59:40 +0100<br>
> From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:andrew@aarmstrong.org">andrew@aarmstrong.org</a><br>
> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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> Subject: Re: [game_preservation] DOOM manifest for PVW project<br>
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> I finally got some time to check this out, apart from it's DOCX,
and<br>
> darn shucks if I don't own that particular bit of software. Can
anyone<br>
> whip up a ODT or DOC version? :) I am interested in reading it.<br>
><br>
> (Proprietary formats for documentation of preservation practices,
let's<br>
> not even get into that argument/minefield, hehe).<br>
><br>
> Andrew<br>
<br>
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