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Interesting, see how they go with it since you're there already :)
Different groups do this already (indie scene, art scene both have a
few lists or websites for themselves), I'm glad to see the educational
and more serious side take some form.<br>
<br>
Andrew<br>
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Devin Monnens wrote:
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<div>I believe this discussion is significant for everyone on this
list - after all, it deals with cataloguing and archival! An archive
focusing on serious games would be fantastic.</div>
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<div>-Devin<br>
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From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Marc Prensky</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a
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Date: Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 1:46 PM<br>
Subject: FW: [socialissuegames] Serious games repository or reference
list?<br>
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<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Hi all. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Given the
interest, I have decided to bring my list back to
life, revising and updating it both going forward into the present (and
future,
if games are in development), and backward (I had once made a list of
500
historical serious games.)</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">In order
to make this possible, I’d appreciate your
sharing any lists you have. I will, as quickly as possible try to get
them into one easily accessible and searchable (and updated) place,
open
(without enrollment) to all.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">You can
send things to <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:marc@games2train.com" target="_blank">marc@games2train.com</a>.
Any
suggestions for making the <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.socialimpactgames.com" target="_blank">www.socialimpactgames.com</a>
site better or easier to use are welcome as well.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Many
thanks.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Best,</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Marc</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:moses.wolfenstein@gmail.com"
target="_blank">moses.wolfenstein@gmail.com</a> [mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:moses.wolfenstein@gmail.com"
target="_blank">moses.wolfenstein@gmail.com</a>] <b>On Behalf
Of </b>Moses Wolfenstein<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:31 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Discussion of games addressing social issues<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [socialissuegames] Serious games repository or
reference
list?</span></p>
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<p>First off, to those of you who have pointed me towards some
of the existing resources, you have my heartfelt thanks. The
gamesforchange
database is an awesome starter (one I really should have checked before
asking
the list) and it looks like Marc Prensky's list, while it seems to be
less
current, also covers a lot of ground.<br>
<br>
At the same time, Brian makes a really good point here. I actually
didn't mean
to suggest that there was an actual genre of "Serious games" with
this question, rather there are clearly numerous game genres (or
variants of
genres) which can be considered under an umbrella category of
"serious" based on the intention of the designers. In fact, the topic
of game genres is actually an extremely sticky one even without this
serious
question, but I'd like to just ignore that for now. If anyone really
wants to
unwrap the Pandora's box of genre, start a new thread and I'll be happy
to
weigh in with my 2¢<br>
<br>
The point I'm getting at is that while Civ (and more recently WoW for
that
matter) have certainly been utilized as tools for learning, the primary
aim of
the designers was to make a game that was fun. As a result the fine
folks at
companies like Firaxis and Blizzard/Activision are operating under a
fundamentally different rubric for game design because they're not
directly
concerned with learning. Now that learning objective might be for
training,consciousness raising, or even meeting instructional
standards, but
designing games for any learning objective becomes a fundamentally
different
task than designing a game strictly so that it will meet success in the
commercial market . . . and yes, there are the Peter Molyneux's and the
Jonathon Blow's of the commercial games industry who are also making
art (yet
another sticky topic), but as long as they work within the commercial<br>
games industry there's a bottom line which is not tied to whether or
not the
audience is learning.<br>
<br>
Is it actually correct to use the term Serious games to denote a
category in a
manner that excludes commercial games (let alone mods of commercial
games) that
can be utilized effectively for learning? That's not a question I
really have
an answer for. After all, my current dissertation work is looking at
guild
leadership in WoW, so clearly I don't draw a hard and fast line in that
respect, However, as a designer I needed some way of throwing this
question out
to the list in a manner that would turn up some resources for the sort
of games
we're looking for here in this current project at UW to understand what
has and
hasn't worked in the development of games that have a primary aim of
representing concepts for the player in a meaningful way as we consider
making
new games of this sort. That is, we are looking at how other folks have
answered questions like which commercial genres seem to be amenable for
different topics, and how have these sorts of attempts succeeded or
failed
previously?<br>
<br>
At any rate, I welcome further conversation on the topic, and if
someone hasn't
weighed in yet with a list or database that covers ground that hasn't
otherwise
been covered, I know that I'm not the only one on this list who would
be happy
to hear about it ; )<br>
<br>
Thanks again,<br>
-moses<br>
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Moses Wolfenstein<br>
Doctoral Candidate<br>
University of Wisconsin, Madison<br>
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