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You kind of get into weird territory trying to define "game engine"
then :) Why not just any animation engine? (or going further, animation
studio/toolset). What about compositing video effects or other work on
top of original footage? (how much editing is allowed before it goes
into the realm of raw "animation"). Are live actors allowed to be
involved? what about if only screenshots are used?<br>
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Oh, nevermind the borderlines on the content aspect - is a raw
recording of a videogame machinima? what about with some commentary?
what about it being played through in a specific intentional way? what
about the addition or lack of original music, models, animations,
sounds, voices, script or story? Lots more too, hmm...<br>
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I think it's well worth defining at some point, I'm trying to write a
small glossary of videogame terms and this is one I've not got around
to doing because it is one of those things best "show by example" and
"I know it when I see it". It'd be worth finding some good examples at
some point to outline the core cases, and the more borderline ones.<br>
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Doesn't help when the game researchers at DiGRA basically are all about
defining things and they can't even agree on many items. I'm not trying
to argue btw, I just am interested in these definitions. At some point
getting some experts to define Machinima (Henry at the forefront of
this specific example I'm sure, but this is only one example ;) ) along
with a whole host of videogame-specific terms from their own fields
would be cool. I'm going to contact DiGRA members about this, although
a balance between "human readable" and "scientifically correct" would
be a good idea (or at least, having both at the same time). For
histories sake, I frankly am finding it hard myself to figure out some
well-used terms, say, in the MMO space which I have next to no playtime
in when reading things/investigating things, so I can't believe it'll
be any easier in the future when those games have stopped operating, or
areas die out, or move around.<br>
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On this topic has anyone got any good glossaries? My current references
are the Videogame Style Guide which is neat (and we used as our
standard for the white paper) and a odd few websites. Annoyingly
Wikipedia has deleted all of its pages on such terms ages ago, and I
don't know of any specific "videogame dictionary/glossary" site :)<br>
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Andrew<br>
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cite="mid:9d1cf2d50909301734t3ae0fe41y4c446846d1e9970f@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">I would say the bare bones is a video or film created
using a game engine. Performance need not be part of it (a real-time
cutscene is machinima; a pre-rendered cutscene is not). If this
includes using game animations (like say taking an Unreal or Halo
character and sticking him in front of a blue screen), then that
broadens the definition (part of the film must be created using a game
engine). Spartan X probably doesn't count because the animations are
composed and compiled separate.
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<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">Hahaha, very good :)<br>
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Not sure what the "one true definition" of Machinima is (no doubt there
isn't one!). Wikipedia is all over the place on it ;)<br>
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Devin Monnens wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">Here is some more Japanese Retro Machinima
(or maybe you
can't specifically call it machinima because it isn't recordings of
gameplay) I can't recognize everything, but it's pretty cool
nonetheless!
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