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I think (and I don't want to second guess him, he's on this list I
think) but it's the scope and size of the institution, and the rigor of
preserving the materials, and the fact that almost no game company
actively preserves anything they make with a 3rd party, whereas film
places I bet have agreements for providing a copy of their films when
they are released into the archives properly, as well as the archives
having copies of their digital and non-digital film stocks as necessary.<br>
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I also think the game archives are a lot smaller, just the way it is
really, and without a large amount of money there's not much that could
change that.<br>
<br>
Andrew<br>
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On 09/01/2010 20:09, Devin Monnens wrote:
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cite="mid:9d1cf2d51001091209q375917cfr717754c6808ec844@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Well here's a question then: what exactly do we need to
get to the level of a UCLA or ASIFA preservation and archive group?
Stanford and UT Austin are getting there (as is the LoC), but what
types of resources and recognition do we need? I also suppose, how does
this compare with film archival after the first 30-40 of the medium
(which is about where we're at in terms of commercial games).
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<div>I mean, you look at commercial films (1890 is a good benchmark)
and 25 years into that there was Birth of a Nation (1914) and then you
compare that with games, we have Super Mario 64 (1996) (and in terms of
narrative, say...Planescape and MGS? And hey, at least none of these
are viewed as racist today!). You know, I think that's a pretty good
comparison, but I think we could do a little better for making games
that explore history and culture (kind of hard since games are made to
entertain, part of the reason why I say Shigeru Miyamoto is more the
Buster Keaton of videogames rather than the Spielberg). <br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Andrew
Armstrong <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:andrew@aarmstrong.org">andrew@aarmstrong.org</a>></span>
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<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">"As much as I wish this
weren't true, widely distributing an unreleased
game in pirated form over the Internet is the only method of
preservation that I trust, at least for now. There is no equivalent of,
say, a UCLA Film & Television Archive or an ASIFA-Hollywood for
videogames. Certainly we have the beginnings of equivalent institutions
-- the archives at Stanford and UT Austin for example are off to
tremendous starts -- but the resources and industry recognition just
aren't there yet, at least to my satisfaction."<br>
<br>
A shame this is basically true still - there just isn't the resources
around, and the standards and concentrated effort just sadly isn't
present, at least as far as I know! (if it is present but hidden,
that's just as bad!)<br>
<br>
Interesting reasons laid down to justify it, although I don't think
anyone here would need convincing. :)<br>
<br>
Andrew
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On 09/01/2010 16:45, Devin Monnens wrote:
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<div class="h5">Nobody's reported on this here, but there's an
article on
backing up beta and unreleased games.
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