[LEAPSECS] Visit to ITU-R

[Finkleman, Dave]

First, I could not retrieve the previous versions of 460-xx.  No one I
met with knew how to do that!

I met with Mr. Yvon Henri, Chief, Space Services Department, ITU-R, and
Venkatsubramanian Srivanasan, who works for him.  They have nothing to
do with UTC.  They maintain Vol 1 of the Radio Regulations.  They are
familiar with the SG/WG processes.  With regard to 460-6 moving forward
to the Radio Assembly, they state that this is normal.  They claim that
consensus is rarely achieved in Study Groups and that Chairman often
send on matters that lack consensus.  They assert that the reason is
that most failures to reach consensus are political.  One or more
disadvantaged countries tries to impede those that are more advanced.
I asked why there were study groups if they had no power to deprecate
unworthy items.  They referred me to Colin Langtry, who seems to
administer all study groups.  I did not have time for that.  Lest my
visit not have been productive, they gave me a lapel pin!  Fortunately,
this was not the purpose of my trip to Geneva.

I just received editors' feedback on the American Scientist article.  I
was overseas and unable to send copies to those who requested them.  Now
I am able.  Please resend your requests to my work email
(dfinileman at agi.com)  so that I can attach a copy in response to each
email.  

Dave Finkleman
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Center for Space Standards and Innovation
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Today's Topics:

   1. ACM article (Steve Allen)
   2. rewriting history of Torino Colloquium (Steve Allen)
   3. Re: rewriting history of Torino Colloquium (Poul-Henning Kamp)
   4. Re: rewriting history of Torino Colloquium (Rob Seaman)
   5. Re: rewriting history of Torino Colloquium (Poul-Henning Kamp)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 09:56:48 -0700
From: Steve Allen <sla at ucolick.org>
Subject: [LEAPSECS] ACM article
To: Leap Second Discussion List <leapsecs at leapsecond.com>
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PHK's article seems to be here

http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=1967009

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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 18:49:44 -0700
From: Steve Allen <sla at ucolick.org>
Subject: [LEAPSECS] rewriting history of Torino Colloquium
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When the ITU-R held its colloquium in Torino in 2003 the Italian
institute was the IEN.  Originally the proceedings were online at

http://www.ien.it/luc/cesio/itu/ITU.shtml

During subsequent reorganizations that became the INRIM.  Until
recently they had continued to host the proceedings of the 2003
colloquium at this URL

http://www.inrim.it/luc/cesio/itu/ITU.shtml

I was recently informed that this link is now dead.
Much more to my surprise I find that there is no trace of it
in the Internet Archive's wayback machine.

Fortunately the wayback machine had crawled the original website,
and during at least some of the many crawls the content was available.

I suggest that anyone who wants not to forget history should grab
a copy of the proceedings.

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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2011 08:52:16 +0000
From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" <phk at phk.freebsd.dk>
Subject: Re: [LEAPSECS] rewriting history of Torino Colloquium
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In message <20110408014944.GA10158 at ucolick.org>, Steve Allen writes:


Steve,

What the Italians did is called "Forgetting history" which is far
more common and very often perfectly acceptable, than the far more
insidious charge you level.

Please turn down your inner Glenn Beck a notch or two.

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phk at FreeBSD.ORG         | TCP/IP since RFC 956
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incompetence.


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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 06:55:16 -0700
From: Rob Seaman <seaman at noao.edu>
Subject: Re: [LEAPSECS] rewriting history of Torino Colloquium
To: Leap Second Discussion List <leapsecs at leapsecond.com>
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Poul-Henning, Howdy!


> What the Italians did is called "Forgetting history" which is far more

common and very often perfectly acceptable, than the far more insidious
charge you level.

Um, Steve's message ended with:  "I suggest that anyone who wants not to
forget history should grab a copy of the proceedings."  There aren't any
charges, level or otherwise.


> Please turn down your inner Glenn Beck a notch or two.


Steve isn't the one dreaming of conspiracies here.  As with any
palimpsest, "forgetting" history is the first step to the "rewriting" of
history in the subject line, whether or not that rewriting is actively
undertaken.

He merely mentions surprise that the site isn't in the wayback machine -
that's a long way from suggesting that somebody has Mr. Peabody bound
hand and paw in the trunk of their car.

You might crank up your own inner Brian Lamb.

Rob



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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2011 14:31:37 +0000
From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" <phk at phk.freebsd.dk>
Subject: Re: [LEAPSECS] rewriting history of Torino Colloquium
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In message <FD3AEA75-2BE5-4673-B789-056EA044644F at noao.edu>, Rob Seaman
writes:

>Poul-Henning, Howdy!

>

>> What the Italians did is called "Forgetting history" which is far

more common and very often perfectly acceptable, than the far more
insidious charge you level.

>

>Um, Steve's message ended with:  "I suggest that anyone who wants

>not to forget history should grab a copy of the proceedings."  There

>aren't any charges, level or otherwise.


Please check his subject line.


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phk at FreeBSD.ORG         | TCP/IP since RFC 956
FreeBSD committer       | BSD since 4.3-tahoe    
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