[LEAPSECS] article for Metrologia
Steffen Nurpmeso
steffen at sdaoden.eu
Sat Oct 29 13:51:10 EDT 2022
jimlux wrote in
<cf4c5e3e-ba36-5285-3959-26e07252d2d3 at earthlink.net>:
|On 10/28/22 11:10 AM, Steffen Nurpmeso wrote:
|> Steve Allen wrote in
|> <20221028045813.GA20487 at ucolick.org>:
|>|On Thu 2022-10-27T19:25:01-0700 Steve Allen hath writ:
|>|> Levine, Tavella, and Milton have an upcoming article for Metrologia
|>|> on the issue of leap seconds in UTC
|>|>
|>|> https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1681-7575/ac9da5b
|>|
|>|sorry, stray character appended to my cut and paste
|>|
|>|https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1681-7575/ac9da5
|>
|> That "increasing number of applications" all through the document
|> makes me angry really. I find it astonishing to read that there
|> are digital clocks that cannot display a second 60 and all that.
|
|The digital clock by my bedside, and a variety or other clocks that
|don't have computers in them don't display second 60, nor do they handle
|going from 58 to 00.
Yes. That is how it mostly is ever since. That is, i recall
a leap event shown in the Tagesschau news of German TV, red colour
on black from America .. Wall Street? That turned to 60.
|The clocks in my various and sundry appliances also do not do this.
|
|One can argue, who cares - whether the oven turns on a second early or
|late probably isn't a problem.
That i would argue for most of these clocks myself. Even my
laptop that synchronizes via SNTP through rdate -a with an
always-on vserver that has NTP running, and which does
/sbin/hwclock --systohc --update-drift shortly before each "echo
mem > /sys/power/state" and before poweroff has to be adjusted
anywhere from -0.372340 to -0.916331 seconds on a new-days's first
sync.
|But what about the enormous number of industrial process controllers -
|almost all of which do not deal with leap seconds. At some point, sure,
|they'll sync, either by hand, or over the network. And that's where it
|starts to get sticky.
|
|Do you smear or jump? If you're running a system where seconds count -
|radar is one example. A plane moves several hundred meters/second. If
|you're tracking and sending position reports, do you transmit times in
|UTC or TAI?
|
|There's the possibility of cooperative traffic avoidance for cars,
|planes, and boats - The data is always late, so there's an element of
|modeling taking position and velocity at time t=x-Nseconds and
|propagating that forward to t=x.
|
|> This is just another outcome of the trivialization and
|> superficialication all around. You need a reliable source of
|> time, use TAI; or distribute the offset of UT1 and UTC
|> permanently, best TAI, too. so that changes can be detected. NTP
|> does still not do it, does it. (It is still not using DTLS but
|> something else, too. My one cent (again).) You know how large
|> these packets are? Now that even refrigerators and light bulbs go
|> online (and letting aside the privacy issues), it is all there, at
|> your fingertips. Sorry, i do not understand.
|
|It is precisely because there is a difference between UTC and TAI (or
|GPS) that changes, and that there is no "universal" way to handle the
|change that it is a problem. Mission critical systems will tend to
|figure something out, but it might be different.
|
|I worked on SCaN Testbed [1] - a system that flew on ISS for a number of
|years. This inconsistency of intepretation of time (UTC, GMT, GPST, TAI)
|led us to implement a flight rule "Turn off the power 1 hour before the
|leap second and turn it on 1 hour after". That was easier than trying
|to get everyone on the same page (everyone is a remarkably large crowd -
|experiment PIs, test controllers and engineers, payload operators, ISS
|controllers, ISS internal data bus time distribution (Broadcast
|Ancillary Data on MIL-STD-1553), not to mention the entire pipeline of
|data links up to and back down all the way to the ops center.
How terrible!
|[1]R. C. Reinhart, T. J. Kacpura, S. K. Johnson and J. P. Lux, "NASA's
|space communications and navigation test bed aboard the international
|space station," in IEEE Aerospace and Electronic Systems Magazine, vol.
|28, no. 4, pp. 4-15, April 2013, doi: 10.1109/MAES.2013.6506824.
That is grazy. Needs a sign-in for full reading.
Well i do not know obviously. I would emit a steady thing and an
offset to human time, i think that i already said in the first
message to this list, about NTP, then.
But i would not make the human time scale that steady thing.
...
--steffen
|
|Der Kragenbaer, The moon bear,
|der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one
|einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off
|(By Robert Gernhardt)
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