From ddascalescu at gmail.com  Wed Aug  5 02:26:42 2009
From: ddascalescu at gmail.com (Dan Dascalescu)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 23:26:42 -0700
Subject: No way to indent text?
Message-ID: <3561cc6d0908042326j34319e38wc333e41e3a0743d5@mail.gmail.com>

How could one indent (not quote) a block of text?

This is commonly done in Wikipedia with one or more colons at the
beginning of the line, and is very handy for threaded discussions.

An example is at
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/MojoMojo&diff=next&oldid=275101911

--
Dan Dascalescu
http://wiki.dandascalescu.com

From joehall at gmail.com  Wed Aug  5 05:47:35 2009
From: joehall at gmail.com (Joseph Lorenzo Hall)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 05:47:35 -0400
Subject: No way to indent text?
In-Reply-To: <3561cc6d0908042326j34319e38wc333e41e3a0743d5@mail.gmail.com>
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This isn't something done in standard HTML, so Markdown doesn't do it
(I believe). best, Joe

On Wednesday, August 5, 2009, Dan Dascalescu <ddascalescu at gmail.com> wrote:
> How could one indent (not quote) a block of text?
>
> This is commonly done in Wikipedia with one or more colons at the
> beginning of the line, and is very handy for threaded discussions.
>
> An example is at
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/MojoMojo&diff=next&oldid=275101911
>
> --
> Dan Dascalescu
> http://wiki.dandascalescu.com
> _______________________________________________
> Markdown-Discuss mailing list
> Markdown-Discuss at six.pairlist.net
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UC Berkeley School of Information
Princeton Center for Information Technology Policy
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From mail at milianw.de  Wed Aug  5 06:35:16 2009
From: mail at milianw.de (Milian Wolff)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 12:35:16 +0200
Subject: No way to indent text?
In-Reply-To: <3561cc6d0908042326j34319e38wc333e41e3a0743d5@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <4A796064.1010203@milianw.de>

Dan Dascalescu wrote:
> How could one indent (not quote) a block of text?
> 
> This is commonly done in Wikipedia with one or more colons at the
> beginning of the line, and is very handy for threaded discussions.
> 
> An example is at
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/MojoMojo&diff=next&oldid=275101911

You have to think semtically: Why do you want to indent it? I bet 
because it's some kind of quote. Hence use blockquote syntax of 
Markdown. Just start each line with a ">" like in email-quotes.

The default style for blockquote is indenting it afair.

-- 
Milian Wolff
http://milianw.de

From tim.visher at gmail.com  Wed Aug  5 07:42:04 2009
From: tim.visher at gmail.com (Tim Visher)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 07:42:04 -0400
Subject: No way to indent text?
In-Reply-To: <3561cc6d0908042326j34319e38wc333e41e3a0743d5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3561cc6d0908042326j34319e38wc333e41e3a0743d5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c115fd3c0908050442w5faff5a5mab5917b9cbe699d6@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Dan,

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 2:26 AM, Dan Dascalescu<ddascalescu at gmail.com> wrote:
> How could one indent (not quote) a block of text?
>
> This is commonly done in Wikipedia with one or more colons at the
> beginning of the line, and is very handy for threaded discussions.
>
> An example is at
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/MojoMojo&diff=next&oldid=275101911

As others said, this is non-standard for (X)HTML except for certain
elements like `blockquote`.  You could use inline styles but then
you'd have to drop back to straight (X)HTML rather than the simpler
Markdown syntax.

For instance, were you to desire to indent a paragraph, markdown will
correctly allow you to do the following:

    <p style="margin-left: 2em;">Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur
    adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna
    aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris
    nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in
    reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla
    pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui
    officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.</p>

I think that's your only option directly within Markdown.
-- 

In Christ,

Timmy V.

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From michel.fortin at michelf.com  Wed Aug  5 08:02:31 2009
From: michel.fortin at michelf.com (Michel Fortin)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 08:02:31 -0400
Subject: No way to indent text?
In-Reply-To: <c115fd3c0908050442w5faff5a5mab5917b9cbe699d6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3561cc6d0908042326j34319e38wc333e41e3a0743d5@mail.gmail.com>
	<c115fd3c0908050442w5faff5a5mab5917b9cbe699d6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2CD6BF30-90FF-4087-B329-DB9F4E3199E8@michelf.com>

Le 2009-08-05 ? 7:42, Tim Visher a ?crit :

> As others said, this is non-standard for (X)HTML except for certain
> elements like `blockquote`.  You could use inline styles but then
> you'd have to drop back to straight (X)HTML rather than the simpler
> Markdown syntax.
>
> For instance, were you to desire to indent a paragraph, markdown will
> correctly allow you to do the following:
>
>    <p style="margin-left: 2em;">Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet,  
> consectetur
>    adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et  
> dolore magna
>    aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation  
> ullamco laboris
>    nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in
>    reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla
>    pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in  
> culpa qui
>    officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.</p>
>
> I think that's your only option directly within Markdown.


Indeed it is.

The big drawback here is that Markdown formatting isn't applied in an  
HTML block like the example above. Some parsers, like PHP Markdown  
Extra, allow you to activate markdown formatting within the paragraph  
by adding a `markdown="1"` attribute to the `p` tag.

-- 
Michel Fortin
michel.fortin at michelf.com
http://michelf.com/




From fletcher at fletcherpenney.net  Wed Aug  5 08:21:06 2009
From: fletcher at fletcherpenney.net (Fletcher T. Penney)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 08:21:06 -0400
Subject: No way to indent text?
In-Reply-To: <3561cc6d0908042326j34319e38wc333e41e3a0743d5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3561cc6d0908042326j34319e38wc333e41e3a0743d5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <eadcc4380908050521x13c5a786xf1ed45d0c2695118@mail.gmail.com>

It appears that this page is using an unordered list to do the
indenting.  That is easily done within Markdown syntax.

F-

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 2:26 AM, Dan Dascalescu<ddascalescu at gmail.com> wrote:
> How could one indent (not quote) a block of text?
>
> This is commonly done in Wikipedia with one or more colons at the
> beginning of the line, and is very handy for threaded discussions.
>
> An example is at
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/MojoMojo&diff=next&oldid=275101911
>
> --
> Dan Dascalescu
> http://wiki.dandascalescu.com
> _______________________________________________
> Markdown-Discuss mailing list
> Markdown-Discuss at six.pairlist.net
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/markdown-discuss
>



-- 
Fletcher T. Penney
fletcher at fletcherpenney.net

From sgbotsford at gmail.com  Wed Aug  5 10:01:17 2009
From: sgbotsford at gmail.com (Sherwood Botsford)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 08:01:17 -0600
Subject: No way to indent text?
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	<eadcc4380908050521x13c5a786xf1ed45d0c2695118@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <534004cc0908050701q65df7504v39328b22ac092b09@mail.gmail.com>

<DIV class="indent>

indented stuff goes here.

</DIV>

indent is styled in your css sheet.

Fireball's versions of markdown consider <div> to be an HTML tag but <DIV>
is just text.  So far every browser I've checked regards DIV and div to be
equivalent.

Just be darn sure that you match the tags or you will get very strange
looking pages.

-- 
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From tom at jumpingrock.net  Wed Aug  5 13:01:57 2009
From: tom at jumpingrock.net (Tom Humiston)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:01:57 -0400
Subject: No way to indent text?
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On 5 Aug 2009, at 5:47 AM, Joseph Lorenzo Hall wrote:

> This isn't something done in standard HTML, so Markdown doesn't do it

That's right. More specifically, HTML is for indicating structure,  
while CSS is for presentation. Font, colors, indentation and the like  
are all presentational.

While it's true that a text marked up with HTML but *no* CSS will  
still show up with an amount of presentational styling -- spaces  
between paragraphs, headings larger and bold, bullets in front of list  
items, etc. -- this is simply because the typical browser has a  
default CSS style sheet built in, for handling elements that have no  
additional styling.

One of the benefits of Markdown ignoring block-level HTML is that it  
allows you to insert class and id names, and even complete style  
rules, within your HTML tags, so you can take advantage of CSS.

If I may digress: Markdown observes an important principle of usable  
design: It does what most of its users, most of the time, want. This  
stands opposite what programmers -- for natural reasons -- *think*  
that people want, which is to handle edge cases. Most subscribers of  
this list are programmers, and I applaud those who hold to the vision  
of Markdown's design and, despite temptation, subordinate all  
programming concerns to that.

For an excellent discussion of programming and usable design, see Alan  
Cooper's [The Inmates Are Running the Asylum][1].

[1]: http://www.powells.com/biblio/1-9780672326141-0


From orc at pell.chi.il.us  Wed Aug  5 13:15:30 2009
From: orc at pell.chi.il.us (david parsons)
Date: 5 Aug 2009 17:15:30 GMT
Subject: No way to indent text?
References: <3561cc6d0908042326j34319e38wc333e41e3a0743d5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <h5ceni$351@pell.portland.or.us>

In article <3561cc6d0908042326j34319e38wc333e41e3a0743d5 at mail.gmail.com>,
Dan Dascalescu  <markdown-discuss at six.pairlist.net> wrote:
>How could one indent (not quote) a block of text?
>
>This is commonly done in Wikipedia with one or more colons at the
>beginning of the line, and is very handy for threaded discussions.

    It looks like what Wikipedia does is to use lists for indentation.
    I don't know if the indentation is done by the wiki or if people
    are expected to hand-format their followups, but it seems a bit
    out of the scope of what markdown is capable of doing.

    -david parsons

From orc at pell.chi.il.us  Wed Aug  5 18:53:12 2009
From: orc at pell.chi.il.us (david parsons)
Date: 5 Aug 2009 22:53:12 GMT
Subject: No way to indent text?
References: <3561cc6d0908042326j34319e38wc333e41e3a0743d5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <h5d2go$5h1@pell.portland.or.us>

In article <3561cc6d0908042326j34319e38wc333e41e3a0743d5 at mail.gmail.com>,
Dan Dascalescu  <markdown-discuss at six.pairlist.net> wrote:
>How could one indent (not quote) a block of text?
>
>This is commonly done in Wikipedia with one or more colons at the
>beginning of the line, and is very handy for threaded discussions.

    From looking at the wikipedia discussion page, it looks like
    the contributers are responsible for hand-formatting the page
    to make it look all pretty?   And the use of ^:+ or ^*+ is
    so that they can use wiki-style lists to do the indentation?

    If that's the case, it's just a matter of wikipedia using a
    different syntax to do the same sort of manual formatting of
    the discussion, and you would train the users to do markdown-
    style syntax instead.   (Or write a q&d preprocessor that
    expands ^:+ and ^*+ out into the appropriate levels of list
    for you.)



    -david "colo(u)r me confused" parsons