Seumas Mac Uilleachan
seumas at idirect.ca
Sun Mar 21 11:03:27 EDT 2010
On 21/03/10 06:13 AM, Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote:
> * Seumas Mac Uilleachan <seumas at idirect.ca> [2010-03-21 00:45]:
>> I hear constantly about needing "Gruber's blessing" for any
>> overhaul or changes to Markdown. Why?
> In case you are referring to my own recent mail, I never said it
> needs *Gruber*’s blessing specifically. What it does need is one
> central voice. If you think it doesn’t, then ask yourself why all
> of the reimplementations have added their own features, yet none
> of them have copied each other.
I wasn't referring to you specifically. I keep reading here about how
the lack of input from him is what is causing the perceived
fragmentation in Markdown implementations. All I meant to say is that
Gruber seems to have lost interest in Markdown development and we just
need to move beyond needing his blessing.
> Except that several of them have copied Markdown Extra. As it
> happens, Michel Fortin had some blessing from Gruber on several
> of his efforts. Coincidence?
> No one needs permission or blessing to fork Markdown. Many people
> have done it.
> But that’s the point. To get more than Just Another Fork, it neds
> to have weight of voice to bring all the other forks together
> behind it.
>> The goal of markdown is readability. There is no such thing as
>> a readable html table. I would argue that tables are a useful
>> enough feature to include. Whether it is done badly or well is
>> often subjective. At the minimum a simple table format would be
>> important to me (not requiring spanning cells or complex table
>> layouts). Tables are the easiest way to list corresponding
>> values or data that they really should be somehow included.
> The problem with tables as I see it is as above: I think that
> tables fundamentally cannot be both easy to edit and easy to read
> within the constraints of plaintext.
It depends on what you are trying to do. If you want a simple
multi-column list of corresponding text such as:
Position Team P GD PTS
1 Man Utd 31 46 67
2 Arsenal 31 40 67
3 Chelsea 29 42 64
4 Tottenham 30 26 55
5 Liverpool 31 19 52
6 Man City 28 17 50
7 Aston Villa 29 17 50
8 Everton 30 6 45
9 Birmingham 30 -3 44
10 Fulham 29 0 38
11 Stoke 30 -6 36
12 Sunderland 30 -6 34
13 Blackburn 29 -17 34
14 Bolton 31 -20 32
15 Wigan 31 -30 31
16 Wolves 30 -24 28
17 West Ham 30 -14 27
18 Burnley 31 -33 24
19 Hull 30 -35 24
20 Portsmouth 30 -25 13
It should be possible to do without having to use html. For more complex
tables (eg multiple lines in spanning cells, tables within tables) you
are getting into a different kettle of fish - I can see requiring html
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