What does Markdown do with HTML comments? Recommendation on Markdown file extension?
bucephalus.org at gmail.com
Mon May 9 11:34:07 EDT 2011
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 3:30 AM, Dr. Drang <drdrang at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 7:28 PM, bucephalus org <bucephalus.org at gmail.com>
> > I think, even Markdowns own plurality, e.g. that
> > _this_
> > and
> > *this*
> > are identical, is not helping anybody, but only increasing the learning
> > reading problems.
> Is anyone really confused by this? Or by the two ways of doing
> headers? I doubt it.
> I'll bet most people on this list will agree that Markdown's
> flexibility is a prime reason for its success. It accommodates what
> people are already doing.
Sorry, but I disagree.
The success of Markdown is just not its flexibility, but its simplicity and
There may be one good reason for the double syntax in some of its features
(like <strong> and <h1>), and that is history. If there are communities that
use different standards, then it can be a good choice to import that in a
formal language, because it integrates standard conventions and that is
convenient for (new) users. I am not sure how this worked in case of the
But in a clean design of a new formal syntax, flexibility is a bad choice.
This is what I think I learned by making this mistake myself on several
You say, "Is anyone really confused by this? Or by the two ways of
doing headers? I doubt it." Well, I was confused. Of course, the double rule
for say *this* and _this_ is simple and is not that hard to understand. But
I had neither a history or habit with either *this* or _that_. So, I spend
some time on the question, what the best choice would be and which one I
should make my own default. You may say, "whatever you prefer". But this is
what I exactly don't expect from a standard: to be left with this choices.
When people read my markdown and when I read other peoples texts, I rather
want us to use the same conventions.
And more important for me was the other "freedom" I mentioned: that there is
no standard file extension. I did spend one or two hours trying to find an
answer to which extension I should use for my own texts. And not only did it
waste my time, this ambiguity really makes my life more difficult, because
the tools I wrote don't know how to deal with it.
What you call "flexibility" will lead to the same problems, that many
mainstream programming languages suffer from. When they grow from tiny tools
to big systems and communities, people ask for standards. And then, all
these "good style" recommendations need to be agreed upon and have to be
learned on top of the syntax itself. What you call "flexibility" is
counter-productive in standards and as a general feature, it is a
misunderstanding of the way a formal language works in time.
Well, Markdown is a nice design. And, as I said, the few "double standards"
might be well motivated and actually a good choice. And for the rest,
Markdown is not ambiguous in principle. I used the ".markdown" extension in
the past, and I probably stick to the habit until the Markdown community
comes up with a decision and helps me out of my misery. ;-)
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