[meteorite-list] AD - New Rare EL3 Paleo-Meteorite - NWA 2828

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When I hear the word Paleo, this is what comes to mind.

http://www.archaeolink.com/paleoanthropology_index.htm

This discussion is heading in the same direction as the Pluto problem. Word semantics overruling reality.

Bill

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Michael L Blood <mlblood at cox.net>

> Hi Doug and all,

> Unless I am mistaken "Paleo" is Greek for "ancient." (Scientists

> are particularly fond of Greek and Latin) While all meteorites are

> ancient, Paleo meteorite, meaning one that has been subjected to the

> earth's atmosphere for millions of years, would seem to be an appropriate

> use of terminology.

> Best wishes, Michael

>

> on 9/7/06 9:52 AM, MexicoDoug at MexicoDoug at aim.com wrote:

>

> > Hello Greg and Listees,

> >

> > There are a few posters and other scientific references that google up for

> > "paleometeorite". I liked your rationale given, though I have this question

> > based on your explanation:

> >

> > All meteorites are ancient and to our knowledge a record of the early

> > formation of the Solar System, but the word "fossil" implies some sort of

> > mineralogical replacement processes occurring afterwards. Does Paleo-

> > include this, or simply say it is ancient? As for the fossil meteorite and

> > fossils in meteorites, another descriptor like "relict" would be more

> > appropriate if you want to be true to geology jargon. Relict implies that

> > some of the original character remains, though mineral replacement has also

> > occurred - but it is quite recognizable. Paleo- to me reminds me of the

> > likes Peking man!

> >

> > Just a thought, and you can call it paleo all you want since you're doing

> > the work (saw your name was on the poster at the LPI meeting, congrats),

> >

> > Best wishes, Doug

> >

> >

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: "Greg Hupe" <gmhupe at tampabay.rr.com>

> > To: "Jeff Grossman" <jgrossman at usgs.gov>

> > Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>

> > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 10:47 AM

> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD - New Rare EL3 Paleo-Meteorite - NWA 2828

> >

> >

> >> Dear Jeff and other NWA 2828 EL3 enthusiasts,

> >>

> >> paleo-meteorite or "fossil" meteorite? That is the question...

> >>

> >> In a short conversation with one of the lead scientists who have and are

> >> studying NWA 2828 and the other recent enstatite meteorites, they referred

> >> to 2828 as a paleo-meteorite instead of "fossil" meteorite so people would

> >> not think they referred to ancient life being found in it. The term

> > "fossil"

> >> meteorite has been used to describe several ancient meteorites that were

> >> found in rocks or sediments; a 480 million year old quarried Swedish

> >> limestone, a meteorite found in a drillcore through the impact melt sheet

> > of

> >> the 145 million year old Morokweng Crater, to name a couple. The word

> > fossil

> >> in geology has the strong connotation as evidence of life but literally

> >> means "dug up". The prefix paleo- means ancient, so a paleo-meteorite

> > would

> >> be an ancient meteorite. That term does not necessarily mean that it was

> >> excavated nor does it say how old it is, but sedimentary processes on

> > earth

> >> tend to bury objects on the surface after tens to hundreds of thousands of

> >> years. It definitely was transported and abraded by water flow, then

> > buried

> >> and cemented into a terrestrial conglomerate and then dug up. In short,

> > the

> >> best way to describe NWA 2828 is either "fossil" meteorite or

> >> paleo-meteorite but has nothing to do with ancient life. Terrestrial age

> >> dating is currently being performed and a new abstract has been submitted.

> >>

> >> I hope this answers some of the questions this "new" and exciting

> > meteorite

> >> has brought up.

> >>

> >> Best regards,

> >> Greg

> >> P.S. I loaded several more slices of NWA 2828 if anyone wants to have a

> >> look.

> >>

> >> ====================

> >> Greg Hupe

> >> The Hupe Collection

> >> NaturesVault (eBay)

> >> gmhupe at tampabay.rr.com

> >> IMCA 3163

> >> ====================

> >>

> >> ----- Original Message -----

> >> From: "Jeff Grossman" <jgrossman at usgs.gov>

> >> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>

> >> Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 6:33 AM

> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD - New Rare EL3 Paleo-Meteorite - NWA 2828

> >>

> >>

> >>> What the heck is a "paleometeorite", how is it different from a fossil

> >>> meteorite, and why is NWA 2828 called this?

> >>>

> >>> jeff

> >>>

> >>> At 01:33 PM 9/5/2006, Greg Hupe wrote:

> >>>> Dear List Members,

> >>>>

> >>>> I am pleased to announce a new and very rare EL3 Paleo-Meteorite. It is

> >>>> NWA 2828 and was originally thought to be an aubrite but after

> > additional

> >>>> material was cut and analyzed at the University of Washington and NAU, a

> >>>> few radial pyroxene chondrules were discovered. EL3's are even rarer

> > than

> >>>> aubrites so the re-classification turned out to a pleasant surprise.

> > What

> >>>> is interesting about NWA 2828 is the very low count of chondrules

> >>>> throughout the individual stones, less than 1%! It has taken nearly a

> > year

> >>>> of hard work by myself and the scientists to get this properly

> > classified

> >>>> so if you are interested, purchase your EL3 material from the official

> >>>> source for NWA 2828 where you know you will get a great deal and the

> > right

> >>>> meteorite.

> >>>>

> >>>> I have loaded 36 slices, end cuts and individuals on eBay under my

> > seller

> >>>> name, NaturesVault. Here are the direct links to these very low

> >>>> introductory-priced specimens:

> >>>>

> >>>> NWA 2828 EL3 Meteorite Specimens:

> >>>> Slices

> >>

> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025470628&rd=

> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

> >>

> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025471089&rd=

> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

> >>

> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025471402&rd=

> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

> >>

> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025471681&rd=

> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

> >>

> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025471942&rd=

> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

> >>

> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025472178&rd=

> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

> >>

> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025472471&rd=

> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

> >>

> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025472747&rd=

> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

> >>

> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025472988&rd=

> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

> >>>> End Cuts

> >>

> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025473352&rd=

> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

> >>

> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025473778&rd=

> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

> >>

> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025474093&rd=

> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

> >>

> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025474474&rd=

> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

> >>

> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025474758&rd=

> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

> >>

> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025475050&rd=

> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

> >>

> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025475332&rd=

> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

> >>

> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025475564&rd=

> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

> >>

> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025475814&rd=

> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

> >>>> Individuals

> >>

> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025476678&rd=

> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

> >>

> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025477096&rd=

> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

> >>

> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025477462&rd=

> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

> >>

> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025478334&rd=

> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

> >>

> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025478736&rd=

> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

> >>

> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025479083&rd=

> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

> >>

> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025479418&rd=

> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

> >>

> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025479707&rd=

> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

> >>

> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025480013&rd=

> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

> >>

> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025480437&rd=

> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

> >>

> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025480707&rd=

> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

> >>

> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025481184&rd=

> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

> >>

> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025481508&rd=

> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

> >>

> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025481910&rd=

> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

> >>

> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025486868&rd=

> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

> >>

> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025487249&rd=

> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

> >>

> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025487606&rd=

> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

> >>

> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025487961&rd=

> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

> >>>>

> >>>> In addition to these great deals, I have a number of excellent auctions

> >>>> ending tomorrow and Thursday. Be sure to check then out as many are

> > still

> >>>> at just 99 cents.

> >>>>

> >>>> Best regards and Thank You for looking and/or bidding, I appreciate it!

> >>>> Greg

> >>>>

> >>>> ====================

> >>>> Greg Hupe

> >>>> The Hupe Collection

> >>>> NaturesVault (eBay)

> >>>> gmhupe at tampabay.rr.com

> >>>> IMCA 3163

> >>>> ====================

> >>>>

> >>>>

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> >>>

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