[meteorite-list] Suspect Seller?

[Bill]

Hi Trace,

I appreciate the warnings. I think everyone should point out everything suspect every time they choose to do so. Equal time and respect is all it amounts to.

Bill

 


> -----Original Message-----

> From: temetnosce at shaw.ca

> Sent: Tue, 15 May 2007 17:37:52 -0700

> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com

> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Suspect Seller?

> 

> As a novice I would like to say that I appreciate it when people point

> out

> fraudulent ebay listings. It gives me a chance to see more meteor wrongs

> so

> that I will be better informed when I make my purchases.

> 

> I may not buy $6000 items but the pictures are worth more than that to

> me.

> 

> Trace

> 

> 

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "Bill" <glixard at inbox.com>

> To: "Jason Utas" <meteoritekid at gmail.com>

> Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>

> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 5:20 PM

> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Suspect Seller?

> 

> 

>> This is just another old beat up issue.

>> 

>> Lurking novices don't buy 6,000 dollar unknowns. They buy worthless

>> micros

>> from guess who.

>> 

>> Many have been chastised for bothering the list with obvious ebay

>> scammers.

>> 

>> No attack was made. An opinion was expressed in a fact of the matter

>> way.

>> 

>> Met-list is not a podium for a selected few. The so called innocent

>> lurkers that need to be saved should hear all points of view and the

>> best

>> thing that we could ever have here would be a greater participation by

>> everyone.

>> 

>> Bill

>> 

>> 

>> 

>>> -----Original Message-----

>>> From: meteoritekid at gmail.com

>>> Sent: Tue, 15 May 2007 16:11:02 -0700

>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com

>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Suspect Seller?

>>> 

>>> Hello Ken, Bill, Mark, All,

>>> 

>>> Ken's message just informed 600+ people that there was a fraudulent

>>> seller on ebay.

>>> 

>>> Ben's post told 600+ people that *he* was fed up with reading other

>>> peoples' posts about fraudulent sellers.

>>> 

>>> This is one of those cases where I would have to say that, without a

>>> doubt, Ken had every right to post his message, and you had no right

>>> to tell him off, Bill.

>>> Even if you don't care to read posts about suspicious/fraudulent

>>> sellers, posts such as Ken's obey all list rules, and perform a

>>> service to novices who may be lurking on the list (or scanning list

>>> archives on google), hoping to find information on what and what not

>>> to buy.

>>> 

>>> If you don't like reading them, delete them, and if you get fed up

>>> with a single person's posts, by all means, block them or filter out

>>> there posts through selective email scanning (most email services have

>>> this sort of feature) - but don't post personal attacks to the list

>>> like you just did, because posts such as that are actually in direct

>>> violation of list policies.

>>> 

>>> All talk must be meteorite-related and non-combative, at least with

>>> regard to pointed statements such as "Are you bored to death?"

>>> 

>>> It's simply uncalled for.  If you don't like posts such as this, and

>>> feel a need to respond, please do so privately (and, I hope, politely

>>> in the future).

>>> 

>>> Bill, the person you mentioned in your message, Matteo, came onto the

>>> list while I was here and has come and gone a few times since then.

>>> He was blocked a few times for posting private messages to the list

>>> and using...inappropriate language.

>>> People may have gotten onto his case for posting ebay warnings, but I

>>> believe that they actually did so because of his warnings pertaining

>>> to the classic 'Nigerian scam' postings that everyone seems to get

>>> (They're so easy to recognize in general, that people get annoyed when

>>> warned of such things.)

>>> ...That, and he's an easy target - people on this list seem to get

>>> into a frenzy when someone who's not too eloquent or perhaps not a

>>> native English speaker comes on and posts...it's sad, but even  true

>>> meteorite enthusiasts with good intentions get beaten up on here; it's

>>> just a fact that hasn't changed in, well, the nine years I've been on

>>> here.

>>> 

>>> Sorry this goes out to the list, but I do think it has something to do

>>> with list policy in general - perhaps attacks could become a little

>>> less...prolific.

>>> 

>>> Regards,

>>> Jason

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> On 5/15/07, Bill <glixard at inbox.com> wrote:

>>>> 

>>>> Hi Mark,

>>>> 

>>>> This list is for everyone. I don't comment all that often. When I do

>>>> it's

>>>> for a good reason. Ken knows what I'm getting at. All the points you

>>>> made

>>>> are accurate. I think the mix of personalities here makes for an

>>>> interesting

>>>> forum. I hope I didn't offend you but if I did, change things.

>>>> 

>>>> Incapable of grandstanding,

>>>> 

>>>> Bill

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> -----Original Message-----

>>>> From: mark at annasach.net

>>>> Sent: Tue, 15 May 2007 22:37:48 +0100

>>>> To: glixard at inbox.com

>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Suspect Seller?

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> Hey Bill,

>>>> 

>>>> What is it with some of the people on this distribution?  According to

>>>> the

>>>> met-list About, this is...

>>>> 

>>>> "...with over 600 members, the best place to get information on rocks

>>>> from

>>>> space!"

>>>> 

>>>> I'm old on astronomy, and newish on meteorites.  I joined thinking I'd

>>>> "get

>>>> information on rocks from space".  As for Ken's post (I don't know the

>>>> man)

>>>> - it's useful to get a feel for the kind of scams that are around.

>>>> I'm

>>>> not

>>>> stupid, but I can be misled.

>>>> 

>>>> What's the primary purpose of this group, nowadays, in reality?  Is it

>>>> for

>>>> dealers?  Mainly dealers, with collector/lurkers hoping to get an

>>>> inside

>>>> tip?  Or just a place for the Old Boys to ignore or beat up the new

>>>> guys?

>>>> As a new member, I can honestly say that it's certainly not an open

>>>> and

>>>> welcoming community.  Most hobbies try to encourage beginners -

>>>> proponents

>>>> want to share their knowledge, wonder and passion about their

>>>> interests.

>>>> This kind of BS can only serve to put people off the whole hobby.

>>>> 

>>>> So I guess I'll be flamed for this - off-list is fine, but I suppose

>>>> there's

>>>> more grandstanding to be done by posting on-list. :-\

>>>> 

>>>> Mark

>>>> 

>>>> Bill wrote:

>>>> Hi Ken,

>>> 

>>> Are you bored to death? I am. A lot of list members have been

>>>> reamed out for posting these ebay warnings. Matteo comes to mind.

>>> 

>>> Please

>>>> stop. If we want your opinion we'll join the imca and view it on your

>>>> invaluable website/s

>>> 

>>> Bill

>>> 

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