[meteorite-list] ...Mail or Algeria...

[Walter Branch]

Hi Doug and Everyone,


>but I think the Haviland/Greenburg/Brenham situation >illustrates this fine 

>given the community pride there.


This name has confused me for some time.  I have seen references to all 
three being used to refer to pallasites.  I have also seen references to all 
three being used to describe an iron (non-pallasite) meteorite.

What is "official."

-Walter Branch
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> Hello, Anne, Greg, List (old message that didn't post properly, sort of a 

> 'synonym' superceded by my post to Martin),

>

> Anne, I must disagree.  A synonym in biology is "A scientific name of an 

> organism or of a taxonomic group that has been superseded by another name 

> at the same rank.".  While you may be thinking about the non-scientific 

> "synonym", or the type of synonym used in botany which leaves room for 

> interpretation in classification, I expect the NomCom has a steadfast 

> policy.

>

> I don't think it is a good idea to see the 35 synonyms of Campo del Cielo 

> including "El Taco" as "accepted" plastered all over collections, eBay, as 

> being implied with Oum Dreyga (still wondering, is Serpent-mother a 

> translation?).  At issue is not whether the meteorite has been called 

> Amgala in the past - this obviously is the case or there would be nothing 

> to talk about.

>

> Being "accepted" as a synonym to me means nothing more than a confirmation 

> that this synonym is scientifically obsolete the way I interpret this, and 

> the MetSoc/USGS database is trying to be helpful to insure official 

> nomenclature so old names can be properly classified, not to perpetuate 

> unofficial (but recognized before the modern science was done) synonyms. 

> But I could be wrong as my ... always tells me:-),

>

> In the words of Zelimir referencing Captain Blood (May 11, 2005: Is Amgala 

> Official?: excerpted from met-list)

>

> "...Oum Dreyga is just as fine as Juancheng.  Hey Marcin, you'll get used 

> to it soon. You can talk about Amgala but you should sooner or later 

> re-write your labels with the new name, so as to fit the official 

> decisions, and remain the serious and reliable dealer you are now.  After 

> all, be happy thet the Nom Com maintained "Bensour", another name that was 

> used everywhere, everytime, before the official classification....

>

> "You are completely right Michael. This is true not only in Botany but 

> also in the recent meteorite history.  A couple of years ago, I purchesed 

> "Turkmenbashi" and "Heze" (names that are still on the original labels). 

> Many of us probably still remember that these names now respectively 

> correspond to the well (best) known meteorites

> "Kunya Urgensh" and "Juancheng".  There should be many other such 

> examples, Canon Diablo included"

>

> My thoughts (almost) exactly!  Thanks Zelimir.

>

> As to Greg's suggestion, the only bulletin that comes up after I looked, 

> as Anne mentioned lists the official name as Oum Dreyga in MB89 and 

> mentions in the description, "Fragments have been sold under the names 

> Amgala and Gor Lefcah."  That is the reference as to why it is a "synonym" 

> on line.  Simply because fragments of Oum Dreyga have been sold as those 

> two names.

>

> Perhaps listing them for sale on eBay as Gor Lefcah (or Amgala) is 

> considered "adhering to the highest standards of meteorite identification 

> and proper labeling practices," but I amicably disagree.  If my 

> assumptions are mistaken, and the MetSoc guidelines support this, I will 

> proceed to relabel all of my meteorites with the names I like better that 

> are synonyms and talk about them as such.

>

> This gets to Greg's interesting comment on whether a meteorite is named 

> where it starts being recovered or where most falls when given these 

> options.  I would think the main mass is the most logical, but these are 

> decisions for the NomCom as the competent governing body and probably open 

> to comment before publication by interested parties.

>

> It is important to realize that a significant amount of pride comes to 

> many towns and villages when a meteorite is named after their population. 

> There are many meteorites published in previous bulletins that chose one 

> name over another for considerations like Greg's, and this does make some 

> people feeling left out, especially when not much else is is on the list 

> of attractions.  I could mention a long list in less affluent countries, 

> but I think the Haviland/Greenburg/Brenham situation illustrates this fine 

> given the community pride there.

>

> Best wishes and great health,

> Doug

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