From info at meteorites.com.au  Fri Aug  1 02:48:10 2008
From: info at meteorites.com.au (Jeff Kuyken)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 16:48:10 +1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Express Acquires Sharpest Images of
	MartianMoon Phobos
In-Reply-To: <200807312306.QAA09064@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
References: <200807312306.QAA09064@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <62A514E1F7B947B38A8AA23FFA0030E9@JeffPC>

Absolutely stunning!!! Thanks for the post Ron.

Cheers,

Jeff


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Baalke" <baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
To: "Meteorite Mailing List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 9:06 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Express Acquires Sharpest Images of 
MartianMoon Phobos


>
> http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEM5H48N9JF_index_0.html
>
> Mars Express acquires sharpest images of martian moon Phobos
> European Space Agency
> 30 July 2008
>
> Mars Express closed in on the intriguing martian moon Phobos at 6:49 CEST
> [0449 UTC] on 23 July, flying past at 3 km/s, only 93 km from the moon. 
> The
> ESA spacecraft's fly-bys of the moon have returned its most detailed
> full-disc images ever, also in 3-D, using the High Resolution Stereo 
> Camera
> on board.
>
> Phobos is what scientists call a 'small irregular body'. Measuring 27 km x
> 22 km x 19 km, it is one of the least reflective objects in the Solar
> System, thought to be a capture-asteroid or a remnant of the material that
> formed the planets.
>
> The best images of Phobos ever
>
> The HRSC images, which are still under processing, form a bounty for
> scientists studying Phobos. They are a result of observations carried out
> over several close fly-bys of the martian moon, performed over the past
> three weeks. At their best, the pictures have a resolution of 3.7 m/pixel
> and are taken in five channels (in the stereo channel) for images in 3-D 
> and
> (in the photometric channels) to perform analyses of the physical 
> properties
> of the surface.
>
> The images obtained by several other spacecraft so far have either been of 
> a
> lower resolution, or not available in 3D and have not covered the entire
> disc of Phobos. This is also the first time that portions of the far-side 
> of
> the moon have been imaged in such high resolution (Phobos always faces 
> Mars
> on the same side).
>
> Scientific bounty
>
> In observing Phobos, Mars Express benefits from its highly elliptical 
> orbit
> which takes it from a closest distance of 270 km from the planet to a
> maximum of 10 000 km (from the centre of Mars), crossing the 9000 km orbit
> of the martian moon. Mars Express imaged the far-side of Phobos (with
> respect to Mars) for the first time after NASA's Viking mission, by flying
> outside the spacecraft's orbit around Mars.
>
> Phobos-Grunt (Phobos soil), a Russian sample-return mission, is due to for
> launch in 2009. It is expected to land on the far-side of Phobos at a 
> region
> between 5 deg south to 5 deg north, and 230 deg west to 235 deg west. This
> region was last imaged in the 1970s by the Viking orbiters.
>
> The HRSC observations have been awaited eagerly to better assess and
> characterise the choice of the landing site.
>
> The moon's remarkably grooved surface can be seen in the pictures quite
> clearly. The origin of these grooves is still debated. It is not known
> whether they are produced by ejecta thrown up from impacts on Mars, or if
> they result from the surface regolith, or soil, slipping into internal
> fissures.
>
> In this image, at least two families of grooves with distinct orientations
> can be seen along with an elongated crater.
>
> The stereo observations (resolution 3.7 m/pixel) are important for
> structural analysis and they will be used to derive a digital terrain 
> model
> (a 3-D map of the surface that includes elevation data). The extra
> photometric channels (at 7.4 m/pixel) make it possible to study the
> properties of the Phobos regolith at micron to millimetre scales.
>
> An operational challenge
>
> Managing the close fly-bys was an operational challenge, made possible by
> spacecraft operations engineers and scientists who worked together to
> specially optimise Mars Express's trajectory and obtain the best possible
> views.
>
> The observation made use of a spacecraft slew, a special manoeuvre whereby
> the body of the spacecraft is rotated against the direction of motion, to
> effectively lower the speed at which the target passes in the field of 
> view
> of the camera. This makes it possible to avoid blurring of the pictures
> despite the high fly-by velocities, whilst maintaining acceptable exposure
> time.
>
> The HRSC Super Resolution Channel (SRC) also observed during this close
> fly-by, with a nominal resolution of 90 cm/pixel. As expected, despite the
> slew, some residual motion blur has crept into the image, but much detail 
> is
> expected to be recovered after further processing.
>
> In the days running up to the observation, the primary star-tracker - a
> navigation device that helps the spacecraft point its instruments at the
> target accurately - experienced some temporary difficulty in recognising 
> the
> star constellations in its field of view, leaving the spacecraft operating
> on its secondary system. Concerned that this might affect this critical
> observation, the team at ESA's European Space Operations Centre (ESOC) in
> Darmstadt, Germany, worked intensely to recover the primary system and 
> were
> able to switch back successfully two days before the fly-by.
>
> Notes for editors:
>
> The Principal Investigator (PI) for the HRSC experiment on ESA's Mars
> Express is Prof. Dr Gerhard Neukum, who also designed the camera
> technically. The HRSC science team consists of 45 Co-Investigators from 32
> institutions located in 10 nations. The camera was developed at the German
> Aerospace Center (DLR) under the PI in cooperation with industrial 
> partners
> (EADS Astrium, Lewicki Microelectronic GmbH and Jena-Optronik GmbH). It is
> operated through ESA/ESOC by the DLR Institute of Planetary Research, 
> where
> systematic processing of the image data is carried out. The scenes shown
> here were processed by the PI group at the Institute for Geosciences of 
> the
> Freie Universitaet Berlin in cooperation with the DLR Institute of 
> Planetary
> Research, Berlin.
>
> [NOTE: Images and weblinks supporting this release are available at
> http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEM5H48N9JF_index_1.html ]
>
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From jbrady1 at orange.net  Fri Aug  1 05:29:32 2008
From: jbrady1 at orange.net (Jim Brady)
Date: Fri,  1 Aug 2008 09:29:32 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Gary foote Auction---that Tagish Lake painting
Message-ID: <450478385.1217582972048.JavaMail.wbs51@mspvp521>

Greeetings listees
             Wow,the painting certainly was nice.Does anyone know if Jerry would be selling prints of that one?
I'm sure Gary and CJ will be over the moon with the auction results and a big pat on the back must be extended to all  who participated and especially to Maria Haas and John Gwilliam.

Jim Brady 

From mlblood at cox.net  Fri Aug  1 07:59:09 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 04:59:09 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Gary foote Auction---that Tagish Lake painting
In-Reply-To: <450478385.1217582972048.JavaMail.wbs51@mspvp521>
Message-ID: <C4B8489D.189CC%mlblood@cox.net>

Hi Jim and all,
        It is nice to see one of Jerry's originals bring in a price more
along the lines of what it is wroth.
        However, now that the sale is over, the following very high
Quality reproductions on canvas are available of  Tagish Lake:
        Giclee: 16 X 20 = $120.oo Signed only -
        Enhanced & Signed = $240.oo
        In addition, for the time being, you can have Jerry paint you
An original of any fall you want - and consult with you as to the
Angle of view, etc. for a mere $600. What a bargain that is.
        See all his space art at:

http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/JerryArmstrong.html

        Best wishes, Michael



on 8/1/08 2:29 AM, Jim Brady at jbrady1 at orange.net wrote:

> Greeetings listees
>              Wow,the painting certainly was nice.Does anyone know if Jerry
> would be selling prints of that one?
> I'm sure Gary and CJ will be over the moon with the auction results and a big
> pat on the back must be extended to all  who participated and especially to
> Maria Haas and John Gwilliam.
> 
> Jim Brady 
> ______________________________________________
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From bristolia at yahoo.com  Fri Aug  1 09:03:42 2008
From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 06:03:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Virtual Global Geologic Map to be Released to the
	Internet
Message-ID: <263808.97286.qm@web36201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Geological mapping gets joined up by Jennifer Carpenter
Science reporter, BBC News, July 31, 2008

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7535379.stm

?The world's geologists have dug out their maps and are
sticking them together to produce the first truly global
resource of the world's rocks.?

-------

Welcome to OneGeology
http://www.onegeology.org/home.html

"OneGeology is an international initiative of the geological
surveys of the world and a flagship project of the
'International Year of Planet Earth'. Its aim is to create
dynamic geological map data of the world available via
the web. This will create a focus for accessing geological
information for everyone. Thanks to the enthusiasm and
support of participating nations the initiative has
progressed rapidly and geological surveys and the many
users of their data are excited about this ground-breaking
project. These pages provide a background to the
initiative as well as up to date information on its progress.
We invite you to explore the site and we welcome you to
OneGeology. Enjoy your visit!"

Yours,

Paul H.



      

From dave at fallingrocks.com  Fri Aug  1 09:51:48 2008
From: dave at fallingrocks.com (Dave Gheesling)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 09:51:48 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Gary foote Auction---that Tagish Lake painting
In-Reply-To: <C4B8489D.189CC%mlblood@cox.net>
References: <450478385.1217582972048.JavaMail.wbs51@mspvp521>
	<C4B8489D.189CC%mlblood@cox.net>
Message-ID: <742B5BC7FD994E8CBFFC868555B6C9B1@meteorroom>

Michael, Jim & All,
First, ditto.  Jerry's works is super, and this selling price didn't really
surprise me very much.  Of course, Patrick's contribution to the cause was
fantastic, and that's what it was all about.  Since this particular image
was so popular, I wanted to expand on your note below and explain that
"enhanced & signed" means that Jerry literally paints on top of the giclee
print to bring out a lot of the depth and texture of the original, and $240
is ridiculously low for that format.  THIS HAS BEEN AN UNPAID ENDORSEMENT
;-)
Best,
Dave 

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael L
Blood
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 7:59 AM
To: Jim Brady; Meteorite List
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Gary foote Auction---that Tagish Lake painting

Hi Jim and all,
        It is nice to see one of Jerry's originals bring in a price more
along the lines of what it is wroth.
        However, now that the sale is over, the following very high Quality
reproductions on canvas are available of  Tagish Lake:
        Giclee: 16 X 20 = $120.oo Signed only -
        Enhanced & Signed = $240.oo
        In addition, for the time being, you can have Jerry paint you An
original of any fall you want - and consult with you as to the Angle of
view, etc. for a mere $600. What a bargain that is.
        See all his space art at:

http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/JerryArmstrong.html

        Best wishes, Michael



on 8/1/08 2:29 AM, Jim Brady at jbrady1 at orange.net wrote:

> Greeetings listees
>              Wow,the painting certainly was nice.Does anyone know if 
> Jerry would be selling prints of that one?
> I'm sure Gary and CJ will be over the moon with the auction results 
> and a big pat on the back must be extended to all  who participated 
> and especially to Maria Haas and John Gwilliam.
> 
> Jim Brady
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From azizhabibi at yahoo.com  Fri Aug  1 10:42:07 2008
From: azizhabibi at yahoo.com (habibi abdelaziz)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 07:42:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] big iron found in algeria desert
Message-ID: <168615.50884.qm@web62009.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

hello all,
one big iron was just founld intact and fresh in algeria,
so collectors interested in big iron please email off list.
thanks
aziz

habibi aziz 
box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco 
www.palmotel.com
phone. 21235576145 
fax.21235576170


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From meteoritefinder at gmail.com  Fri Aug  1 12:30:05 2008
From: meteoritefinder at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 09:30:05 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] 25% off anything on my web site! /sale/
Message-ID: <468bf6050808010930w4f90fbf6y8785600f7801e927@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone I have never had a sale before so if you have had your
eye on something now is the time. Save 25% on any item on my site
http://www.meteoritefinder.com/sale.htmThe sale will be thru Sunday
only, the sale will end Sunday night at midnight. The sale is starting
right now so this is the best time to buy.-- Mike Miller 230 Greenway
Dr. Kingman Az 86401www.meteoritefinder.com 928-753-6825

From azizhabibi at yahoo.com  Fri Aug  1 13:05:14 2008
From: azizhabibi at yahoo.com (habibi abdelaziz)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 10:05:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] big iron found in algeria desert /2
Message-ID: <14890.24626.qm@web62002.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

hello all.
ok after all the emails here is photos, its 22.200 kilos ,
the crust is black blue iron with some point place of iclusion.
but its almost sold,
http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/sets/72157603668859958/

all the best
aziz

habibi aziz 
www.palmotel.com
box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco 
phone. 21235576145 
fax.21235576170


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From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Fri Aug  1 15:48:22 2008
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 12:48:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] givaways
Message-ID: <633678.60623.qm@web57808.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Good afternoon list.Congrats to maria and john for the great auction they did for gary.A truly remarkable job.I have 2 unclassified small endcuts with crust to givaway.I also have a 83 gram canyon diablo also.If anyone is interested let me know offlist.I will also entertain trades for my 2 kilo piece.I really want nice sikote-alin's.






                          steve arnold,chicago


      

From entropydave at ntlworld.com  Sat Aug  2 09:53:58 2008
From: entropydave at ntlworld.com (Dave Harris)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 14:53:58 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - 21.6g crusted Allende - ex Haag
Message-ID: <D916DB9D978C4C3890509F6A85131965@pitstoppc>

Hi,

short 3 day auction for an excellent Allende complete individual!
Also a BIN option - never tried that before.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270261628040


thanks for patience

dave 
IMCA #0092
Sec.BIMS.
www.bimsociety.org


From chinaren76 at yahoo.com  Sat Aug  2 10:01:17 2008
From: chinaren76 at yahoo.com (Ma Lan)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 07:01:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Help
Message-ID: <541229.49399.qm@web52707.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi list,

Just tell me if you can visit the following website or not. I want to buy web space for my own meteorite website construction from this sponsor,

http://www.kxvenus.com/

Tell me off-list. Thanks advanced.


Best wishes
Miss Ma Lan
Beijng, China








      

From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Sat Aug  2 11:26:04 2008
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 08:26:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ultimate Meteorite Book Collection
In-Reply-To: <mailman.39.1217347249.89005.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <920482.57261.qm@web58405.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


Hi fellow listees!

I ran across this on my eBay travels today.  Please forgive me if this was
already posted.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200243614380

I am not the seller, and I am not affiliated with the seller in any way.

I don't know enough about these books to render an opinion on the price,
but the quantity and quality of the volumes seems unsurpassed.

Now, who is going to loan me $75K....???  LOL

Regards,

MikeG

.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
..........................................................




      

From m42protosun at aol.com  Sat Aug  2 12:50:55 2008
From: m42protosun at aol.com (m42protosun at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 12:50:55 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ultimate Meteorite Book Collection
In-Reply-To: <920482.57261.qm@web58405.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CAC2D710E81074-15CC-371E@webmail-me19.sysops.aol.com>


Hello Mike & list,
I know this book. It is the 1st 'bible of meteorites' written by the 
first meteoriticist of the world FLORENCE CLADNI.
It is written in german language and so rare that the price is ok
unfortunately I do not have the money.


Uwe
from Germany
Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com




-----Urspr?ngliche Mitteilung-----
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An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Verschickt: Sa., 2. Aug. 2008, 17:26
Thema: [meteorite-list] Ultimate Meteorite Book Collection



Hi fellow listees!

I ran across this on my eBay travels today.  Please forgive me if this 
was
already posted.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200243614380

I am not the seller, and I am not affiliated with the seller in any way.

I don't know enough about these books to render an opinion on the price,
but the quantity and quality of the volumes seems unsurpassed.

Now, who is going to loan me $75K....???  LOL

Regards,

MikeG

.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
..........................................................





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From cynapse at charter.net  Sat Aug  2 12:56:05 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 12:56:05 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] ET phone Nome...
In-Reply-To: <14890.24626.qm@web62002.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <14890.24626.qm@web62002.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <594994lmu319i03ras41la6b1lb5d0sbl2@4ax.com>

... as in Alaska.  Because, see, the Phoenix lander is at the cold polar
outskirts of Mars, and Nome is at the-- ah, forget  it.

http://www.universetoday.com/2008/08/02/the-white-house-is-briefed-phoenix-about-to-announce-potential-for-life-on-mars/

It would appear that the US President has been briefed by Phoenix scientists
about the discovery of something more "provocative" than the discovery of water
existing on the Martian surface. This news comes just as the Thermal and Evolved
Gas Analyzer (TEGA) confirmed experimental evidence for the existence of water
in the Mars regolith on Thursday. Whilst NASA scientists are not claiming that
life once existed on the Red Planet's surface, new data appears to indicate the
"potential for life" more conclusively than the TEGA water results. Apparently
these new results are being kept under wraps until further, more detailed
analysis can be carried out, but we are assured that this announcement will be
huge


So why is there all this secrecy? According to scientists in communication with
Aviation Week & Space Technology, the next big discovery will need to be mulled
over for a while before it is announced to the world. In fact, the Jet
Propulsion Laboratory science team for the MECA wet-chemistry instrument that
made these undisclosed findings were kept out of the July 31st news conference
(confirming water) so additional analysis could be carried out, avoiding any
questions that may have revealed their preliminary results. They have also made
the decision to discuss the results with the Bush Administration's Presidential
Science Advisor's office before a press conference between mid-August and early
September.

Although good news, Thursday's announcement of the discovery of water on Mars
comes as no surprise to mission scientists and some are amused by the media's
reaction to the TEGA results. "They have discovered water on Mars for the third
or fourth time," one senior Mars scientist joked. These new MECA results are,
according to the Phoenix team, a little more complex than the water "discovery."
Scientists are keen to point out however, that this secretive news will in no
way indicate the existence of life (past or present) on Mars; Phoenix simply is
not equipped make this discovery. What it can do is test the Mars soil for
compounds suitable to support life. The MECA instrument does have microscopes
capable of resolving bacterial-scale life forms however, but this is not the
focus of the forthcoming announcement, sources say.

This new MECA discovery, combined with TEGA data will probably expose something
more compelling, completing another piece of the puzzle in the search for the
correct conditions for life as we know it to survive on Mars. Critical to this
search is to understand how the recently confirmed water and Mars regolith
behave together under the Phoenix lander in the cold Martian arctic.

The MECA instrument had already made the landmark discovery that Mars "soil" was
much like the soil more familiar on Earth. This finding prompted scientists to
indicate that the minerals and pH levels in the regolith could support some
terrestrial plants, indicating this would be useful for future Mars settlers.

What with the discovery of water, and the discovery that Mars soil is very much
like the stuff we find on Earth, it is hard to guess as to what the MECA's
second soil test has discovered. What ever it is, it sounds pretty significant,
especially as NASA and the University of Arizona are taking extraordinary steps
to avoid any more details being leaked to the outside world. I just hope were
not getting excited over something benign


From geoking at notkin.net  Sat Aug  2 14:13:30 2008
From: geoking at notkin.net (Notkin)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 11:13:30 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] [AD] Major Site Updates + Many eBay Goodies
Message-ID: <96430DED-2925-497F-8BD7-76ED4FD3C2E5@notkin.net>

Dear Listees:

Greetings all from hot and sunny Tucson. Can you believe we're halfway  
through the show year already? Only six months 'til Tucson 2009!  '09  
will be the Tenth Anniversary Birthday Bash and we're planning  
something special  : )

This morning we completed a major update to the Aerolite Meteorites  
website. We have a great selection of new material available,  
including fusion crusted Allende individuals, some beautiful full  
Seymchan transitional slices, Darwin Glass, new moldavites and Libyan  
Desert Glass, very attractive historic Texas Wellman (c) stones from  
the Eugene Cornelius Collection with hand painted numbers and original  
acquisition cards, some really nice small elegant Campo del Cielos  
with thumbprints, a couple of fine Gibeons and so on.

Website:  http://www.aerolite.org

Sale catalogue directory:  http://www.aerolite.org/meteorites-for-sale.htm

Overview of all new specimens on one page for easy viewing:  http://www.aerolite.org/new.htm


Check out my updated Museum Quality page for our best-of-the-best  
space rocks including a stellar 40-kilo oriented Campo shield:

http://www.aerolite.org/museum-specimens.htm


I'm very pleased to now be offering "The World of Meteorites from A to  
Z" poster published by our friend and colleague Sarah Kennedy of  
Jensan Scientifics, with text by Dr. Harry McSween, O. Richard Norton,  
and David Weir, and designed and photographed by yours truly. This  
oversize full color poster is UV coated to protect it from fading.  
Only $19.95 + shipping or -- special for List members -- free with any  
purchase of $100 or more:

http://www.aerolite.org/meteorite_poster.htm


I still have a few limited edition deluxe Oscar Monnig Meteorite  
Collection catalogs, in custom slipcase, with exclusive photo of  
Oscar, and signed and numbered by author Dr. Arthur Ehlmann:

http://www.aerolite.org/monnig-catalog.htm


Here are some new meteorite jewelry creations by Leigh Anne Delray and  
Lisa Marie Morrison -- for the rock star in your life:

http://www.aerolite.org/meteorite-jewelry.htm


And finally, a lot of goodies on eBay, including Allende, Sikhote- 
Alins, Zag, Henbury, Norton County, a beautiful small Taza, Carancas,  
Mundrabilla, a Draeger-Nininger Odessa and a whole lot of other unique  
bits and pieces of the solar system. All started at a paltry $0.99  
with no reserves. Some end tomorrow; some end next week.

If you want a 95%-crusted Juancheng for a buck, check this out:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170243922886


All items for up for auction can be seen here:

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQsassZaerolitemeteorites


Instant recap with photos at Meteorite.com, thanks to our hi-tech pals  
Paul Harris and Jim Tobin:

http://www.meteorite.com/meteorite-dealers/dealer-listings/aerolite.htm


I guess that's it! Questions, comments, make-me-an-offer  : )  or  
anything else, email any time.


Cheers from the Sonoran Desert,

Geoff N.
www.aerolite.org
www.campometeorites.com

From geoking at notkin.net  Sat Aug  2 16:44:37 2008
From: geoking at notkin.net (Notkin)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 13:44:37 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] 2008 Perseids
Message-ID: <E97BFF8C-41CE-45BD-AA91-00021E982FA4@notkin.net>

Dear Listees:

It's almost that time of year again. Here are some viewing tips for  
the 2008 Perseid shower for all you night owls. The expected peak is  
in ten days' time:


PERSEIDS

Predicted Maximum: August 12, 2008 11:30 UT [= Aug. 12, 4:30am PDT; =  
Aug. 12, 7:30 am EDT])
Moon: Waxing Gibbous (moderate interference)
(radiant map from IMO)

WHEN TO WATCH: Tuesday morning, August 12, from about 1:00 am until  
morning twilight gets too bright.

The Perseids are probably the most-watched annual meteor shower. The  
shower has a very long duration, from about July 15 through August  
25.  The shower is most interesting around its peak on August 12 or  
13. This year, the peak comes on August 12 because of the leap year.  
The radiant is above the horizon the entire night for observers north  
of latitude 32N, but it is fairly low at the end of evening twilight.   
Evening Perseid rates are fairly low, and the bright Moon makes things  
worse this year. The real meat of the show comes during the predawn  
hours when the Moon is down and the radiant is high.

Predawn rates for observers with truly dark skies may exceed 100  
Perseids per hour (West Coast of North America and/or Eastern Asia may  
be favored this year), with a nice sprinkling of sporadic and minor  
shower meteors added to the mix.  Adjacent mornings from August 10  
through August 13 are well worth watching, although rates will be  
significantly lower.

Perseids are fast meteors and tend to be fairly bright on average.  An  
occasional fireball is seen.


Source:  http://skytour.homestead.com/met2008.html#anchor_9



Geoff N.
www.aerolite.org

From dragonsoup at msn.com  Sat Aug  2 16:53:57 2008
From: dragonsoup at msn.com (Maria Haas)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 13:53:57 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Email from CJ Foote (Gary's wife)
Message-ID: <BLU117-W39D4122E7C6FE1E2E012ACCD7E0@phx.gbl>


Hello List,

CJ Foote asked me to forward this email to you.

You've done something really wonderful for Gary and CJ! Read on.

My best to you,
Maria


> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 14:15:50 -0400
> Subject: From CJ
> From: cj at webbers.com
> To: dragonsoup at msn.com
>
> My dearest Maria,
>
> I have tried to write to you a few times but can never finish. I'm afraid
> the tears that are running down my cheeks will short out the keyboard...so
> I will try to get through this again.
>
> I have never been so touched by so many wonderful people that I have never
> met in my life. I don't know if they all realize just what they have done
> for Gary and I....it has saved us from going under...and in our 50's that
> would have been something that we never would have been able to bounce
> back from. The ones that were able to help us with donations and those
> who were able to pray for us made our lives livable again. There is no
> way I can ever thank them except to pay forward and to tell this wonderful
> story to all that I meet.
>
> Maria, I weep as I write this..friends that we have had for years have
> disappeared from our lives since the word CANCER came to haunt us, but
> those who are a part of the meteorite community opened their hearts and
> without a moments hesitation they were there both with donations and
> through the auction that you so graciously ran in our benefit. I know
> when they look in the mirrow that must be very happy with what they
> see....what they have done is the most selfless thing that anyone could
> have done. I admire and respect them so much. I can now feed Gary healthy
> healing food....I again weep. I am so humble...soooo thankful. I have a
> safe warm place in my heart for them all that can never be replaced.
> Never even touched by anything else that has ever happened to Gary and I.
>
> I thank-you Maria for all the late night calls that you lisitened to me
> cry and cried with me. I thank-you from the bottom of my heart. You are
> a person that I hope I can live up to. I have learned so much from all of
> you.
>
> Since we have moved and Gary is not able to set up his computer I don't
> know how to send this to everyone so I ask one more thing. Will you
> please send this to the lists so they can all know how much I thank them
> from all the pieces of my broken heart.
>
> I send you all much love and MANY hugs,
> CJ Foote


From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Sat Aug  2 18:01:53 2008
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 17:01:53 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] ET phone Nome...
References: <14890.24626.qm@web62002.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
	<594994lmu319i03ras41la6b1lb5d0sbl2@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <008c01c8f4eb$604e8670$4c25e146@ATARIENGINE>

Hi, All,

    The interesting part is not a potential discovery
of... something. These is the parts I find fascinating:

> ...avoiding any questions... They have also made
> the decision to discuss the results with the Bush
> Administration's Presidential Science Advisor's
> office before a press conference...

    Is the question what sort of "spin" should we put
on Martian permafrost? What are the political implications
of Martian soil? Should we hold up the announcement
until after the elections? What is the President's position
on "dirt," anyway?

    Well, Galileo had to run his findings by the Inquisition.
In the old Soviet Union, scientists had to have the approval
of branches of the Central Committee to publish or speak.
This is not like that, of course; this is completely different.

    It just looks exactly the same.


> I just hope we're not getting excited over
> something benign.

    Hmm, you don't want the news to be "benign,"
meaning "good, helpful"? Does this mean you'd prefer
the news be something its opposite, namely "malign"
(evil, harmful)? I'm trying to figure out what a "malign"
Martian soil component would be.


> it is hard to guess as to what the MECA's second soil
> test has discovered. What ever it is, it sounds pretty
> significant... [with] extraordinary steps to avoid any
> more details being leaked to the outside world.

It's a fine guessing game. Here a description of the MECA
package and what it does and how it does it:
http://planetary.chem.tufts.edu/Phoenix/MECA.html
The Wet Chemistry Lab has "sensors... for the determination
of a wide variety of inorganic anions, cations, selected
heavy metals (via ASV), and electrochemical parameters."
There's a list of test targets in that URL. None of them
look that exciting to me, but chemistry always was my
worst subject.

Ideas?


Sterling K. Webb
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darren Garrison" <cynapse at charter.net>
To: "meteorite list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 11:56 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] ET phone Nome...


... as in Alaska.  Because, see, the Phoenix lander is at the cold polar
outskirts of Mars, and Nome is at the-- ah, forget  it.

http://www.universetoday.com/2008/08/02/the-white-house-is-briefed-phoenix-about-to-announce-potential-for-life-on-mars/

It would appear that the US President has been briefed by Phoenix scientists
about the discovery of something more "provocative" than the discovery of 
water
existing on the Martian surface. This news comes just as the Thermal and 
Evolved
Gas Analyzer (TEGA) confirmed experimental evidence for the existence of 
water
in the Mars regolith on Thursday. Whilst NASA scientists are not claiming 
that
life once existed on the Red Planet's surface, new data appears to indicate 
the
"potential for life" more conclusively than the TEGA water results. 
Apparently
these new results are being kept under wraps until further, more detailed
analysis can be carried out, but we are assured that this announcement will 
be
huge.

So why is there all this secrecy? According to scientists in communication 
with
Aviation Week & Space Technology, the next big discovery will need to be 
mulled
over for a while before it is announced to the world. In fact, the Jet
Propulsion Laboratory science team for the MECA wet-chemistry instrument 
that
made these undisclosed findings were kept out of the July 31st news 
conference
(confirming water) so additional analysis could be carried out, avoiding any
questions that may have revealed their preliminary results. They have also 
made
the decision to discuss the results with the Bush Administration's 
Presidential
Science Advisor's office before a press conference between mid-August and 
early
September.

Although good news, Thursday's announcement of the discovery of water on 
Mars
comes as no surprise to mission scientists and some are amused by the 
media's
reaction to the TEGA results. "They have discovered water on Mars for the 
third
or fourth time," one senior Mars scientist joked. These new MECA results 
are,
according to the Phoenix team, a little more complex than the water 
"discovery."
Scientists are keen to point out however, that this secretive news will in 
no
way indicate the existence of life (past or present) on Mars; Phoenix simply 
is
not equipped make this discovery. What it can do is test the Mars soil for
compounds suitable to support life. The MECA instrument does have 
microscopes
capable of resolving bacterial-scale life forms however, but this is not the
focus of the forthcoming announcement, sources say.

This new MECA discovery, combined with TEGA data will probably expose 
something
more compelling, completing another piece of the puzzle in the search for 
the
correct conditions for life as we know it to survive on Mars. Critical to 
this
search is to understand how the recently confirmed water and Mars regolith
behave together under the Phoenix lander in the cold Martian arctic.

The MECA instrument had already made the landmark discovery that Mars "soil" 
was
much like the soil more familiar on Earth. This finding prompted scientists 
to
indicate that the minerals and pH levels in the regolith could support some
terrestrial plants, indicating this would be useful for future Mars 
settlers.

What with the discovery of water, and the discovery that Mars soil is very 
much
like the stuff we find on Earth, it is hard to guess as to what the MECA's
second soil test has discovered. What ever it is, it sounds pretty 
significant,
especially as NASA and the University of Arizona are taking extraordinary 
steps
to avoid any more details being leaked to the outside world. I just hope 
were
not getting excited over something benign.
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From lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu  Sat Aug  2 18:16:05 2008
From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu (lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 15:16:05 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] ET phone Nome...
In-Reply-To: <008c01c8f4eb$604e8670$4c25e146@ATARIENGINE>
References: <14890.24626.qm@web62002.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
	<594994lmu319i03ras41la6b1lb5d0sbl2@4ax.com>
	<008c01c8f4eb$604e8670$4c25e146@ATARIENGINE>
Message-ID: <60335.71.226.60.25.1217715365.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu>

Hi Sterling:

Short of there being images of a bug crossing in from of the lander, any
observation is likely to be open to interpretation. Life has been
"detected" twice on Mars, Viking and ALH84001. Knowing Peter Smith (I do
not know the MECA team), I would assume that they would want to be a
little on the cautious side before saying that they found signs of life,
like doing the experiment a second time and hoping for a duplicate result.

Larry

On Sat, August 2, 2008 3:01 pm, Sterling K. Webb wrote:
> Hi, All,
>
>
> The interesting part is not a potential discovery
> of... something. These is the parts I find fascinating:
>
>> ...avoiding any questions... They have also made
>> the decision to discuss the results with the Bush Administration's
>> Presidential Science Advisor's
>> office before a press conference...
>
> Is the question what sort of "spin" should we put
> on Martian permafrost? What are the political implications of Martian soil?
> Should we hold up the announcement
> until after the elections? What is the President's position on "dirt,"
> anyway?
>
> Well, Galileo had to run his findings by the Inquisition.
> In the old Soviet Union, scientists had to have the approval
> of branches of the Central Committee to publish or speak. This is not like
> that, of course; this is completely different.
>
> It just looks exactly the same.
>
>
>
>> I just hope we're not getting excited over
>> something benign.
>
> Hmm, you don't want the news to be "benign,"
> meaning "good, helpful"? Does this mean you'd prefer the news be something
> its opposite, namely "malign" (evil, harmful)? I'm trying to figure out
> what a "malign" Martian soil component would be.
>
>
>
>> it is hard to guess as to what the MECA's second soil test has
>> discovered. What ever it is, it sounds pretty significant... [with]
>> extraordinary steps to avoid any more details being leaked to the
>> outside world.
>
> It's a fine guessing game. Here a description of the MECA
> package and what it does and how it does it:
> http://planetary.chem.tufts.edu/Phoenix/MECA.html
> The Wet Chemistry Lab has "sensors... for the determination
> of a wide variety of inorganic anions, cations, selected heavy metals (via
> ASV), and electrochemical parameters."
> There's a list of test targets in that URL. None of them
> look that exciting to me, but chemistry always was my worst subject.
>
> Ideas?
>
>
>
> Sterling K. Webb
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -------
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Darren Garrison" <cynapse at charter.net>
> To: "meteorite list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 11:56 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] ET phone Nome...
>
>
>
> ... as in Alaska.  Because, see, the Phoenix lander is at the cold polar
> outskirts of Mars, and Nome is at the-- ah, forget  it.
>
> http://www.universetoday.com/2008/08/02/the-white-house-is-briefed-phoeni
> x-about-to-announce-potential-for-life-on-mars/
>
> It would appear that the US President has been briefed by Phoenix
> scientists about the discovery of something more "provocative" than the
> discovery of water existing on the Martian surface. This news comes just as
> the Thermal and Evolved
> Gas Analyzer (TEGA) confirmed experimental evidence for the existence of
> water in the Mars regolith on Thursday. Whilst NASA scientists are not
> claiming that life once existed on the Red Planet's surface, new data
> appears to indicate the "potential for life" more conclusively than the
> TEGA water results.
> Apparently
> these new results are being kept under wraps until further, more detailed
> analysis can be carried out, but we are assured that this announcement
> will be huge.
>
> So why is there all this secrecy? According to scientists in
> communication with Aviation Week & Space Technology, the next big discovery
> will need to be mulled over for a while before it is announced to the
> world. In fact, the Jet Propulsion Laboratory science team for the MECA
> wet-chemistry instrument that made these undisclosed findings were kept out
> of the July 31st news conference (confirming water) so additional analysis
> could be carried out, avoiding any questions that may have revealed their
> preliminary results. They have also made the decision to discuss the
> results with the Bush Administration's Presidential
> Science Advisor's office before a press conference between mid-August and
> early September.
>
>
> Although good news, Thursday's announcement of the discovery of water on
> Mars
> comes as no surprise to mission scientists and some are amused by the
> media's reaction to the TEGA results. "They have discovered water on Mars
> for the third or fourth time," one senior Mars scientist joked. These new
> MECA results
> are, according to the Phoenix team, a little more complex than the water
> "discovery."
> Scientists are keen to point out however, that this secretive news will in
>  no way indicate the existence of life (past or present) on Mars; Phoenix
> simply is not equipped make this discovery. What it can do is test the Mars
> soil for compounds suitable to support life. The MECA instrument does have
>  microscopes capable of resolving bacterial-scale life forms however, but
> this is not the focus of the forthcoming announcement, sources say.
>
> This new MECA discovery, combined with TEGA data will probably expose
> something more compelling, completing another piece of the puzzle in the
> search for the correct conditions for life as we know it to survive on
> Mars. Critical to
> this search is to understand how the recently confirmed water and Mars
> regolith behave together under the Phoenix lander in the cold Martian
> arctic.
>
> The MECA instrument had already made the landmark discovery that Mars
> "soil"
> was much like the soil more familiar on Earth. This finding prompted
> scientists to indicate that the minerals and pH levels in the regolith
> could support some terrestrial plants, indicating this would be useful for
> future Mars settlers.
>
> What with the discovery of water, and the discovery that Mars soil is
> very much like the stuff we find on Earth, it is hard to guess as to what
> the MECA's second soil test has discovered. What ever it is, it sounds
> pretty significant, especially as NASA and the University of Arizona are
> taking extraordinary steps to avoid any more details being leaked to the
> outside world. I just hope were not getting excited over something benign.
> ______________________________________________
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From mexicodoug at aim.com  Sat Aug  2 18:28:42 2008
From: mexicodoug at aim.com (mexicodoug at aim.com)
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 18:28:42 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] ET phone Nome...
In-Reply-To: <008c01c8f4eb$604e8670$4c25e146@ATARIENGINE>
References: <14890.24626.qm@web62002.mail.re1.yahoo.com>	<594994lmu319i03ras41la6b1lb5d0sbl2@4ax.com>
	<008c01c8f4eb$604e8670$4c25e146@ATARIENGINE>
Message-ID: <8CAC30640C82365-1564-1161@webmail-me18.sysops.aol.com>

Sterling wrote:

"Ideas?"

They were looking for clays that would imply liquid water flows.  
Perhaps they found some good, old fashioned clay in the frozen mud.  
Clay also holds lots of water - that is quite significant to know and 
evokes lots of Earth science.  Maybe they are excited with the 
resulting mud pies.  Reminds me when my friend and I put all kinds of 
things in her Kenner Easy Bake (light-bulb) oven, and they 
sloooooooooooooooooooowly released their water until finally curdling.  
I guess that would have been good resume material for the mission 
chemistry projects...

Best wishes,
Doug


Hi, All,

    The interesting part is not a potential discovery
of... something. These is the parts I find fascinating:

> ...avoiding any questions... They have also made
> the decision to discuss the results with the Bush
> Administration's Presidential Science Advisor's
> office before a press conference...

    Is the question what sort of "spin" should we put
on Martian permafrost? What are the political implications
of Martian soil? Should we hold up the announcement
until after the elections? What is the President's position
on "dirt," anyway?

    Well, Galileo had to run his findings by the Inquisition.
In the old Soviet Union, scientists had to have the approval
of branches of the Central Committee to publish or speak.
This is not like that, of course; this is completely different.

    It just looks exactly the same.


> I just hope we're not getting excited over
> something benign.

    Hmm, you don't want the news to be "benign,"
meaning "good, helpful"? Does this mean you'd prefer
the news be something its opposite, namely "malign"
(evil, harmful)? I'm trying to figure out what a "malign"
Martian soil component would be.


> it is hard to guess as to what the MECA's second soil
> test has discovered. What ever it is, it sounds pretty
> significant... [with] extraordinary steps to avoid any
> more details being leaked to the outside world.

It's a fine guessing game. Here a description of the MECA
package and what it does and how it does it:
http://planetary.chem.tufts.edu/Phoenix/MECA.html
The Wet Chemistry Lab has "sensors... for the determination
of a wide variety of inorganic anions, cations, selected
heavy metals (via ASV), and electrochemical parameters."
There's a list of test targets in that URL. None of them
look that exciting to me, but chemistry always was my
worst subject.

Ideas?


Sterling K. Webb
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darren Garrison" <cynapse at charter.net>
To: "meteorite list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 11:56 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] ET phone Nome...


... as in Alaska.  Because, see, the Phoenix lander is at the cold polar
outskirts of Mars, and Nome is at the-- ah, forget  it.

http://www.universetoday.com/2008/08/02/the-white-house-is-briefed-phoenix-about-to-announce-potential-for-life-on-mars/

It would appear that the US President has been briefed by Phoenix 
scientists
about the discovery of something more "provocative" than the discovery 
of
water
existing on the Martian surface. This news comes just as the Thermal 
and
Evolved
Gas Analyzer (TEGA) confirmed experimental evidence for the existence 
of
water
in the Mars regolith on Thursday. Whilst NASA scientists are not 
claiming
that
life once existed on the Red Planet's surface, new data appears to 
indicate
the
"potential for life" more conclusively than the TEGA water results.
Apparently
these new results are being kept under wraps until further, more 
detailed
analysis can be carried out, but we are assured that this announcement 
will
be
huge.

So why is there all this secrecy? According to scientists in 
communication
with
Aviation Week & Space Technology, the next big discovery will need to 
be
mulled
over for a while before it is announced to the world. In fact, the Jet
Propulsion Laboratory science team for the MECA wet-chemistry 
instrument
that
made these undisclosed findings were kept out of the July 31st news
conference
(confirming water) so additional analysis could be carried out, 
avoiding any
questions that may have revealed their preliminary results. They have 
also
made
the decision to discuss the results with the Bush Administration's
Presidential
Science Advisor's office before a press conference between mid-August 
and
early
September.

Although good news, Thursday's announcement of the discovery of water 
on
Mars
comes as no surprise to mission scientists and some are amused by the
media's
reaction to the TEGA results. "They have discovered water on Mars for 
the
third
or fourth time," one senior Mars scientist joked. These new MECA 
results
are,
according to the Phoenix team, a little more complex than the water
"discovery."
Scientists are keen to point out however, that this secretive news will 
in
no
way indicate the existence of life (past or present) on Mars; Phoenix 
simply
is
not equipped make this discovery. What it can do is test the Mars soil 
for
compounds suitable to support life. The MECA instrument does have
microscopes
capable of resolving bacterial-scale life forms however, but this is 
not the
focus of the forthcoming announcement, sources say.

This new MECA discovery, combined with TEGA data will probably expose
something
more compelling, completing another piece of the puzzle in the search 
for
the
correct conditions for life as we know it to survive on Mars. Critical 
to
this
search is to understand how the recently confirmed water and Mars 
regolith
behave together under the Phoenix lander in the cold Martian arctic.

The MECA instrument had already made the landmark discovery that Mars 
"soil"
was
much like the soil more familiar on Earth. This finding prompted 
scientists
to
indicate that the minerals and pH levels in the regolith could support 
some
terrestrial plants, indicating this would be useful for future Mars
settlers.

What with the discovery of water, and the discovery that Mars soil is 
very
much
like the stuff we find on Earth, it is hard to guess as to what the 
MECA's
second soil test has discovered. What ever it is, it sounds pretty
significant,
especially as NASA and the University of Arizona are taking 
extraordinary
steps
to avoid any more details being leaked to the outside world. I just 
hope
were
not getting excited over something benign.
______________________________________________
http://www.meteoritecentral.com
Meteorite-list mailing list
Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list

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From grf2 at verizon.net  Sat Aug  2 18:51:04 2008
From: grf2 at verizon.net (Jerry)
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 18:51:04 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] ET phone Nome...
In-Reply-To: <008c01c8f4eb$604e8670$4c25e146@ATARIENGINE>
References: <14890.24626.qm@web62002.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
	<594994lmu319i03ras41la6b1lb5d0sbl2@4ax.com>
	<008c01c8f4eb$604e8670$4c25e146@ATARIENGINE>
Message-ID: <F3DF2BF8403349BCA33F4F4DCEF71711@Notebook>


Jerry Flaherty
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>

> more compelling, completing another piece of the puzzle in the search for 
> GOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SELL THE FARM MA, THAR'S GOLD IN THEM THAR HILLS!!!!!!!!!!!> 
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From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Sat Aug  2 19:05:42 2008
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 18:05:42 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] ET phone Nome...
References: <14890.24626.qm@web62002.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
	<594994lmu319i03ras41la6b1lb5d0sbl2@4ax.com>
	<008c01c8f4eb$604e8670$4c25e146@ATARIENGINE>
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Hi, Larry, Darren, List,

    Here's the list of Wet Chemistry tests: : Conductivity,
pH (3 sensors), Cl- (2 sensors), Br- (2 sensors), I- (2 sensors),
NO3-, SO4= (using Ba ISE), K+, Ca2+, Mg2+, NH4+, Na+,
Pb/Cu/Cd/Zn/Fe (ASV), Cyclic Voltammetry, ORP (redox
potential), Temperature, Li Reference (3 sensors).

    Hard to see anything in that list that adds up to Life!
WetChem tests for inorganics, although the nitrogen results
might be interesting. We've already learned that earlier results
demonstate that Martian soil is perfect for growing turnips.
Or asparagas, if you can fork up a deep enough bed...

    The author of the blog does say that the optical and
atomic force microscopes are not "the focus of the
forthcoming announcement." Unless his informants are
blindsiding him, of course. However, caution and repetition
would hardly need to be discussed with the White House.

    It does sound like somebody has the bit between their
teeth, as it were. We will either hear an announcement in the
reasonably near future or one of those this-is-all-a-wild-rumor
press statements.


Sterling K. Webb
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Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 5:16 PM
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Hi Sterling:

Short of there being images of a bug crossing in from of the lander, any
observation is likely to be open to interpretation. Life has been
"detected" twice on Mars, Viking and ALH84001. Knowing Peter Smith (I do
not know the MECA team), I would assume that they would want to be a
little on the cautious side before saying that they found signs of life,
like doing the experiment a second time and hoping for a duplicate result.

Larry

On Sat, August 2, 2008 3:01 pm, Sterling K. Webb wrote:
> Hi, All,
>
>
> The interesting part is not a potential discovery
> of... something. These is the parts I find fascinating:
>
>> ...avoiding any questions... They have also made
>> the decision to discuss the results with the Bush Administration's
>> Presidential Science Advisor's
>> office before a press conference...
>
> Is the question what sort of "spin" should we put
> on Martian permafrost? What are the political implications of Martian 
> soil?
> Should we hold up the announcement
> until after the elections? What is the President's position on "dirt,"
> anyway?
>
> Well, Galileo had to run his findings by the Inquisition.
> In the old Soviet Union, scientists had to have the approval
> of branches of the Central Committee to publish or speak. This is not like
> that, of course; this is completely different.
>
> It just looks exactly the same.
>
>
>
>> I just hope we're not getting excited over
>> something benign.
>
> Hmm, you don't want the news to be "benign,"
> meaning "good, helpful"? Does this mean you'd prefer the news be something
> its opposite, namely "malign" (evil, harmful)? I'm trying to figure out
> what a "malign" Martian soil component would be.
>
>
>
>> it is hard to guess as to what the MECA's second soil test has
>> discovered. What ever it is, it sounds pretty significant... [with]
>> extraordinary steps to avoid any more details being leaked to the
>> outside world.
>
> It's a fine guessing game. Here a description of the MECA
> package and what it does and how it does it:
> http://planetary.chem.tufts.edu/Phoenix/MECA.html
> The Wet Chemistry Lab has "sensors... for the determination
> of a wide variety of inorganic anions, cations, selected heavy metals (via
> ASV), and electrochemical parameters."
> There's a list of test targets in that URL. None of them
> look that exciting to me, but chemistry always was my worst subject.
>
> Ideas?
>
>
>
> Sterling K. Webb
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -------
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Darren Garrison" <cynapse at charter.net>
> To: "meteorite list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 11:56 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] ET phone Nome...
>
>
>
> ... as in Alaska.  Because, see, the Phoenix lander is at the cold polar
> outskirts of Mars, and Nome is at the-- ah, forget  it.
>
> http://www.universetoday.com/2008/08/02/the-white-house-is-briefed-phoeni
> x-about-to-announce-potential-for-life-on-mars/
>
> It would appear that the US President has been briefed by Phoenix
> scientists about the discovery of something more "provocative" than the
> discovery of water existing on the Martian surface. This news comes just 
> as
> the Thermal and Evolved
> Gas Analyzer (TEGA) confirmed experimental evidence for the existence of
> water in the Mars regolith on Thursday. Whilst NASA scientists are not
> claiming that life once existed on the Red Planet's surface, new data
> appears to indicate the "potential for life" more conclusively than the
> TEGA water results.
> Apparently
> these new results are being kept under wraps until further, more detailed
> analysis can be carried out, but we are assured that this announcement
> will be huge.
>
> So why is there all this secrecy? According to scientists in
> communication with Aviation Week & Space Technology, the next big 
> discovery
> will need to be mulled over for a while before it is announced to the
> world. In fact, the Jet Propulsion Laboratory science team for the MECA
> wet-chemistry instrument that made these undisclosed findings were kept 
> out
> of the July 31st news conference (confirming water) so additional analysis
> could be carried out, avoiding any questions that may have revealed their
> preliminary results. They have also made the decision to discuss the
> results with the Bush Administration's Presidential
> Science Advisor's office before a press conference between mid-August and
> early September.
>
>
> Although good news, Thursday's announcement of the discovery of water on
> Mars
> comes as no surprise to mission scientists and some are amused by the
> media's reaction to the TEGA results. "They have discovered water on Mars
> for the third or fourth time," one senior Mars scientist joked. These new
> MECA results
> are, according to the Phoenix team, a little more complex than the water
> "discovery."
> Scientists are keen to point out however, that this secretive news will in
>  no way indicate the existence of life (past or present) on Mars; Phoenix
> simply is not equipped make this discovery. What it can do is test the 
> Mars
> soil for compounds suitable to support life. The MECA instrument does have
>  microscopes capable of resolving bacterial-scale life forms however, but
> this is not the focus of the forthcoming announcement, sources say.
>
> This new MECA discovery, combined with TEGA data will probably expose
> something more compelling, completing another piece of the puzzle in the
> search for the correct conditions for life as we know it to survive on
> Mars. Critical to
> this search is to understand how the recently confirmed water and Mars
> regolith behave together under the Phoenix lander in the cold Martian
> arctic.
>
> The MECA instrument had already made the landmark discovery that Mars
> "soil"
> was much like the soil more familiar on Earth. This finding prompted
> scientists to indicate that the minerals and pH levels in the regolith
> could support some terrestrial plants, indicating this would be useful for
> future Mars settlers.
>
> What with the discovery of water, and the discovery that Mars soil is
> very much like the stuff we find on Earth, it is hard to guess as to what
> the MECA's second soil test has discovered. What ever it is, it sounds
> pretty significant, especially as NASA and the University of Arizona are
> taking extraordinary steps to avoid any more details being leaked to the
> outside world. I just hope were not getting excited over something benign.
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From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Sat Aug  2 19:11:05 2008
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 18:11:05 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] ET phone Nome...
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Hi, Jerry,
    Wet Chemistry experiment's only tests for metals
are lead, copper, cadmium, zinc and iron. Somehow,
"THAR'S ZINC IN THEM THAR HILLS!!!"
doesn't quite have the same ring to it...

Sterling K. Webb
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry" <grf2 at verizon.net>
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<cynapse at charter.net>; "meteorite list" 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ET phone Nome...



Jerry Flaherty
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>

> more compelling, completing another piece of the puzzle in the search for
> GOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SELL THE FARM MA, THAR'S GOLD IN THEM THAR HILLS!!!!!!!!!!!>
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From grf2 at verizon.net  Sat Aug  2 19:41:09 2008
From: grf2 at verizon.net (Jerry)
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 19:41:09 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] ET phone Nome...
In-Reply-To: <00aa01c8f4f5$0ab5a360$4c25e146@ATARIENGINE>
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OH WELL............,
Jerry Flaherty
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Jerry" <grf2 at verizon.net>; <cynapse at charter.net>; "meteorite list" 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ET phone Nome...


> Hi, Jerry,
>    Wet Chemistry experiment's only tests for metals
> are lead, copper, cadmium, zinc and iron. Somehow,
> "THAR'S ZINC IN THEM THAR HILLS!!!"
> doesn't quite have the same ring to it...
>
> Sterling K. Webb
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jerry" <grf2 at verizon.net>
> To: "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>;
> <cynapse at charter.net>; "meteorite list"
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 5:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ET phone Nome...
>
>
>
> Jerry Flaherty
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
>
>> more compelling, completing another piece of the puzzle in the search for
>> GOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> SELL THE FARM MA, THAR'S GOLD IN THEM THAR HILLS!!!!!!!!!!!>
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
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From mojave_meteorites at cox.net  Sat Aug  2 22:05:09 2008
From: mojave_meteorites at cox.net (Rob Matson)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 19:05:09 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] 2008 Perseids
In-Reply-To: <E97BFF8C-41CE-45BD-AA91-00021E982FA4@notkin.net>
Message-ID: <GOEDJOCBMMEHLEFDHGMMGENDDJAA.mojave_meteorites@cox.net>

Hi Geoff and List,

Spotted a very nice, bright orange Perseid early Saturday morning (12:30am)
that went nearly horizon to horizon from northeast to south-southwest.
Without realizing that Perseus had risen in the northeast, I knew it had
to be a Perseid because the angular velocity was incredibly high.

--Rob

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com]On Behalf Of Notkin
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 1:45 PM
To: Meteorite List
Subject: [meteorite-list] 2008 Perseids


Dear Listees:

It's almost that time of year again. Here are some viewing tips for  
the 2008 Perseid shower for all you night owls. The expected peak is  
in ten days' time:


PERSEIDS

Predicted Maximum: August 12, 2008 11:30 UT [= Aug. 12, 4:30am PDT; =  
Aug. 12, 7:30 am EDT])
Moon: Waxing Gibbous (moderate interference)
(radiant map from IMO)

WHEN TO WATCH: Tuesday morning, August 12, from about 1:00 am until  
morning twilight gets too bright.

The Perseids are probably the most-watched annual meteor shower. The  
shower has a very long duration, from about July 15 through August  
25.  The shower is most interesting around its peak on August 12 or  
13. This year, the peak comes on August 12 because of the leap year.  
The radiant is above the horizon the entire night for observers north  
of latitude 32N, but it is fairly low at the end of evening twilight.   
Evening Perseid rates are fairly low, and the bright Moon makes things  
worse this year. The real meat of the show comes during the predawn  
hours when the Moon is down and the radiant is high.

Predawn rates for observers with truly dark skies may exceed 100  
Perseids per hour (West Coast of North America and/or Eastern Asia may  
be favored this year), with a nice sprinkling of sporadic and minor  
shower meteors added to the mix.  Adjacent mornings from August 10  
through August 13 are well worth watching, although rates will be  
significantly lower.

Perseids are fast meteors and tend to be fairly bright on average.  An  
occasional fireball is seen.

Source:  http://skytour.homestead.com/met2008.html#anchor_9

Geoff N.
www.aerolite.org


From drtanuki at yahoo.com  Sun Aug  3 07:00:29 2008
From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 04:00:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Target Earth in Aug NG
Message-ID: <72091.54460.qm@web53208.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

There us an interesting article entitled "Target Earth" in the August
issue of the National Geographic Magazine. You can read the entire
article online at:

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/08/earth-scars/stone-text

Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo


From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Sun Aug  3 07:14:47 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 03 Aug 2008 11:14:47 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Target Earth in Aug NG
Message-ID: <DIIE.0000004500002EEA@paulinet.de>

There us an interesting article entitled "Target Earth" in the August
issue of the National Geographic Magazine. You can read the entire
article online at:
 
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/08/earth-scars/stone-text

Hi Dirk, List, German List members,

The same article can also be found in the German edition of the
August issue of the National Geographic Magazine (pp. 56-71).

Best,

Bernd

To: drtanuki at yahoo.com
    meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com


From drtanuki at yahoo.com  Sun Aug  3 09:18:49 2008
From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 06:18:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Matsue, Japan Met Soc meeting concludes 28July-1Aug
Message-ID: <59824.1201.qm@web53202.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Dear Metlist members, 

  The 71st Annual Meteoritical Society meeting at Matsue, Japan  has concluded.  Any report?

Best Alwaysm  Dirk Ross...Tokyo

From lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu  Sun Aug  3 13:59:19 2008
From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu (lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 10:59:19 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Great Planet Debate Conference
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Dear Listserv:

As a participant, I just received this email.

The conference is not open to the general public, but if you are an
educator, the last day is set aside for educators and scientists to
discuss the subject.

Of possible interest to you is the debate that is being webcast on August
14. This is open to anyone and if interested, you should register for it.

Depending on my time, and space in the next issue, I will be writing about
the meeting for the November or February issue of Meteorite magazine.

I will be giving an invited talk and am on two panels, so it will be a
busy three days for me.

*********************************************************************

THE GREAT PLANET DEBATE: SCIENCE AS PROCESS

Dear Colleagues,

"The Great Planet Debate" (GPD) conference at the Johns Hopkins University
Applied Physics Laboratory will be held August 14-16, 2008.

This includes two days of scientific sessions to discuss and debate
the processes leading to planetary formation and characteristics and
various criteria by which planets can be defined and categorized. An
educator's workshop follows on the third day, to discuss how the planet
debate can be used to explain science as a process.

The final program is now available at:

http://gpd.jhuapl.edu/schedule

The abstracts are posted at:

http://gpd.jhuapl.edu/abstracts

An open-to-the-public debate between Dr. Mark Sykes of the Planetary
Science Institute and Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson of the American Museum
of Natural History will start at 4:30 pm EDT on August 14th. The
debate, which will be moderated by Ira Flatow (the host of Science
Friday on National Public Radio) is free and will be streamed live on
the web.

To register for web and in-person participation in the GPD conference,
go to

http://gpd.jhuapl.edu/

With best regards,

Hal Weaver (GPD LOC Chair)

*****************************************

For my own interest, please let me know if you plan on registering for the
webcast. This will help me get a feel for listserv's (and Meteorite
magazine readers') interest in the subject.

Thanks.

Larry


From chinaren76 at yahoo.com  Sun Aug  3 16:45:41 2008
From: chinaren76 at yahoo.com (Ma Lan)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 13:45:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] What's the type of the stone?
Message-ID: <124481.87889.qm@web52711.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi list,

Could you tell me (or guess) the type of the stone by the following photo? H, L, or LL? Any suggestion will be deeply appreciated.

http://www.esnips.com/web/chinaren76-Stone

Best wishes,
Ma Lan
Beijing China



      

From wmdodd1 at bellsouth.net  Sun Aug  3 18:53:27 2008
From: wmdodd1 at bellsouth.net (Wayne Dodd)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 18:53:27 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: More on Mitchell's Aliens
Message-ID: <001201c8f5bb$bf74a000$3e5de000$@net>

This is a little dated now...but I've had some difficulty in getting my
first submission to the Meteorite list posted.

There is an excellent discussion of the probabilities and possibilities of
Alien visitation in a recent book by Travis Taylor entitled "An Introduction
to Planetary Defense: A Study of Modern Warfare Applied to Extra-Terrestrial
Invasion".

http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Planetary-Defense-Extra-Terrestrial-Invas
ion/dp/1581124473/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1217611621&sr=1-5

Taylor is a highly educated and accredited scientist who works for NASA in
Huntsville, AL.
The book is actually a serious work on the title subject, but the first 1/3
of the book relates to the relevant question regarding Aliens and the
probability of a visit. In addition to the issues around the time it takes
to travel from planet to planet across the galaxy, he explores questions of
what the aliens would be like (not the anthropomorphic kind) and even if
they would be able to survive in the environment of the Earth.

It's an interesting read.

Regards,
Wayne Dodd




From bobadebt at ec.rr.com  Sun Aug  3 19:26:52 2008
From: bobadebt at ec.rr.com (David & Kitt Deyarmin)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 19:26:52 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Summer Sale
Message-ID: <001b01c8f5c0$692d94e0$832ab841@David>

I have a few items I would like to move so I'm going to offer them at 
reduced prices

The Pallasovka Sphere is new and I am not selling it yet.  I made this for 
Serge and I'm waiting for him to let me know his asking price. I left it in 
the photo as a size reference for the other pieces

If you're interested in buying it you can email me and I will put on a 
notification list once I know Serge's price


http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p298/BobaDebt/Meteorites/Sale.jpg




I have 2 whole Uruacu specimens.  A 259 gram cleaned specimen and a 372 gram 
specimen that has not been cleaned.  I am asking 25 cents per gram.


I have 3 pieces of Libyan Glass. The 161 gram end cut is the best since it 
has a flat cut surface, the other 2 pieces have a curved cut surfaces from 
the core bit that is used to make my spheres.  I will accept any reasonable 
offer for any or all of these pieces


If you're interested in anything send an email off list to 
bobadebt at ec.rr.com


Thanks 


From cynapse at charter.net  Sun Aug  3 19:29:09 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 19:29:09 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: More on Mitchell's Aliens
In-Reply-To: <001201c8f5bb$bf74a000$3e5de000$@net>
References: <001201c8f5bb$bf74a000$3e5de000$@net>
Message-ID: <3pfc94t8n74fn1p2dqslrb3bfn51bpaf8q@4ax.com>

On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 18:53:27 -0400, you wrote:

>This is a little dated now...but I've had some difficulty in getting my
>first submission to the Meteorite list posted.
>
>There is an excellent discussion of the probabilities and possibilities of
>Alien visitation in a recent book by Travis Taylor entitled "An Introduction
>to Planetary Defense: A Study of Modern Warfare Applied to Extra-Terrestrial
>Invasion".

Looks like the whole book is viewable (but not downloadable as a PDF) on Google
books:

http://books.google.com/books?id=vJdgajHfV2gC&dq=%22An+Introduction+to+Planetary+Defense%22&pg=PP1&ots=67HC8RVNcl&sig=mQXO5MZ6mOs9FOGYupEAwCVVqRE&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result#PPA40,M1

From cynapse at charter.net  Sun Aug  3 19:34:29 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 19:34:29 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: More on Mitchell's Aliens
In-Reply-To: <3pfc94t8n74fn1p2dqslrb3bfn51bpaf8q@4ax.com>
References: <001201c8f5bb$bf74a000$3e5de000$@net>
	<3pfc94t8n74fn1p2dqslrb3bfn51bpaf8q@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <33gc941ukfpao7dep03skd0v6dpk8dme32@4ax.com>

On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 19:29:09 -0400, you wrote:

>Looks like the whole book is viewable (but not downloadable as a PDF) on Google
>books:
>
>http://books.google.com/books?id=vJdgajHfV2gC&dq=%22An+Introduction+to+Planetary+Defense%22&pg=PP1&ots=67HC8RVNcl&sig=mQXO5MZ6mOs9FOGYupEAwCVVqRE&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result#PPA40,M1

Nope, on further inspection, it is only select chapters available.

From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Sun Aug  3 21:55:36 2008
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 20:55:36 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: More on Mitchell's Aliens
References: <001201c8f5bb$bf74a000$3e5de000$@net><3pfc94t8n74fn1p2dqslrb3bfn51bpaf8q@4ax.com>
	<33gc941ukfpao7dep03skd0v6dpk8dme32@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <015c01c8f5d5$30b9a0d0$4c25e146@ATARIENGINE>

Hi,

    I get 50 pages before they decide I've freeloaded
long enough. If you read ALL the reviews on Amazon,
you discover that all the detailed negative analysis is
way down the line and the glowing gushes are up front
(they are there to sell books, afterall).

    Having read the first fifty pages with the technical
details and equations and their ham-handed "refutation"
of Fermi's Paradox, I lean toward the opinion of the
negative reviewers. Not that great. But, to be fair, I
only read the 50 pages.

    Another recent study of the "problem" of Aliens is
Michaud's "Contact with Alien Civilizations." (Amazon
has reasonably priced used copies.) It's a lot meatier
(466 pages), and Michaud is a career diplomat, which is
bound to give you a different perspective on the Aliens
than the Planetary Defense guys have, but Michaud
dicusses conflict in some detail.

    The truth is that no one person has thought more
about the in's and out's of dealing with Alien Trouble
than a hundred or so science fiction writers have. They've
put in thousands of man-years of thought, chewing this
very problem over. Still, after more than a century, the
intricate possibilities are far from exhausted and maybe
only just begun, as every few years somebody trots
out a totally new and fascinating possibility.

    Here's a recent one.

    How about the advanced benign visitors who are
only passing through, don't want to land on our planet
or any others in the system, are polite, friendly and
considerate, with good manners -- all they want is to
listen to our media, read our books, watch our movies,
observe and record our culture, folklore, thoughts,
beliefs, nursery rhymes, all of it. The Ideal Alien, right?

    And to show us how grateful they are for this
opportinuty to do so, they give everybody on Earth
a little cellphone-like device -- ask for something, anything,
they will give it to you, IF you can give them something
cultural in trade -- in a word, if you can entertain them.

    Want a fusion power plant the size of a toaster with
no radiation hazard? An replicator to duplicate any object
in any number of copies? A really big bomb? You name
it; it arrives within minutes -- no restrictions, everybody
gets what they ask for... exactly what they ask for.

    What could be nicer than that?

    Think the planet would survive a week?


Sterling K. Webb
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darren Garrison" <cynapse at charter.net>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: More on Mitchell's Aliens


On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 19:29:09 -0400, you wrote:

>Looks like the whole book is viewable (but not downloadable as a PDF) on 
>Google
>books:
>
>http://books.google.com/books?id=vJdgajHfV2gC&dq=%22An+Introduction+to+Planetary+Defense%22&pg=PP1&ots=67HC8RVNcl&sig=mQXO5MZ6mOs9FOGYupEAwCVVqRE&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result#PPA40,M1

Nope, on further inspection, it is only select chapters available.
______________________________________________


From cynapse at charter.net  Sun Aug  3 22:34:52 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 22:34:52 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: More on Mitchell's Aliens
In-Reply-To: <015c01c8f5d5$30b9a0d0$4c25e146@ATARIENGINE>
References: <001201c8f5bb$bf74a000$3e5de000$@net><3pfc94t8n74fn1p2dqslrb3bfn51bpaf8q@4ax.com>
	<33gc941ukfpao7dep03skd0v6dpk8dme32@4ax.com>
	<015c01c8f5d5$30b9a0d0$4c25e146@ATARIENGINE>
Message-ID: <qfqc94hhok3cukqke142jengeododmc2r9@4ax.com>

On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 20:55:36 -0500, you wrote:

>    How about the advanced benign visitors who are
>only passing through, don't want to land on our planet
>or any others in the system, are polite, friendly and
>considerate, with good manners -- all they want is to
>listen to our media, read our books, watch our movies,
>observe and record our culture, folklore, thoughts,
>beliefs, nursery rhymes, all of it. The Ideal Alien, right?

Well, at least they didn't swap the time dimension and one of the extended
spatial dimensions in an area around the core of the sun, allowing vast amounts
of time to pass in an instant, allowing the sun's core to turn into a cooled
ball of iron, causing the sun to suddenly go supernova.

(Waiting in hopes that at least one other person on the list'll recognize those
two books by the same author).

From h3chondrite at cox.net  Mon Aug  4 00:33:13 2008
From: h3chondrite at cox.net (JKGwilliam)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 21:33:13 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] What's the type of the stone?
In-Reply-To: <124481.87889.qm@web52711.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <124481.87889.qm@web52711.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20080804043552.FADA6175.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>

It's nearly impossible to make a guess when looking at a broken 
surface. If you polished a window on your specimen and took a picture 
of it reflecting it's surface back at the camera ( so the metal 
particles are bright), it would be much easier to see the 
interior.  This would make it easier for list members to give you 
their opinions.

Best,

John Gwilliam

At 01:45 PM 8/3/2008, Ma Lan wrote:
>Hi list,
>
>Could you tell me (or guess) the type of the stone by the following 
>photo? H, L, or LL? Any suggestion will be deeply appreciated.
>
><http://www.esnips.com/web/chinaren76-Stone>
>
>Best wishes,
>Ma Lan
>Beijing China
>
>
>
>
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>Meteorite-list mailing list
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From cynapse at charter.net  Mon Aug  4 01:13:53 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 01:13:53 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Finally, ice on Mars, craters on the moon,
	the surface of Jupiter, and meteorites explained!
In-Reply-To: <001201c8f5bb$bf74a000$3e5de000$@net>
References: <001201c8f5bb$bf74a000$3e5de000$@net>
Message-ID: <lr3d949jpjsdj1e6na8351664ersjkqeot@4ax.com>

Lots of gems in the interview, but the above mentioned ones start around 26:50.

http://theedgeam.com/spiritual/audio/Spiritually_Speaking_27th_July_2008.mp3

From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Mon Aug  4 02:21:48 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 04 Aug 2008 06:21:48 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Re-2:  What's the type of the stone?
Message-ID: <DIIE.0000004200002EF3@paulinet.de>

Hi Ma Lan, John and List,

http://www.esnips.com/web/chinaren76-Stone

A very dark crust (indicative of iron), a lot of heavily rusted metal stains, no
chondrules detectable, so my *guess* is: H chondrite, possibly Jilin (Kirin)?!

Best,

Bernd

To: h3chondrite at cox.net
    chinaren76 at yahoo.com
    meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com


From eric at meteoritewatch.com  Mon Aug  4 04:14:10 2008
From: eric at meteoritewatch.com (Eric Wichman)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 01:14:10 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Great Big Sale
In-Reply-To: <mailman.37.1217718346.22471.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
References: <mailman.37.1217718346.22471.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <4896BA52.50903@meteoritewatch.com>

Hi all,

I'm blowing out some NWA XXX meteorites this week and also have some 
special pieces to offer some lucky dealers and collectors. Over 20 kilos 
of quality NWA stones in stock and one large 2407 gram piece with nice 
crust. Some NWA-869 as well, maybe a piece or two of NWA 2754 LL5 and 
about 900 grams of Odessa iron slices. Also in stock is about 200 grams 
of Canyon Diablo irons.

Current Ebay Auctions: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/freel3orn

To help move these NWA stones I've created a "Wholesale Meteorites" page 
to list all lots, and individual stones for sale. Here's the link for 
all yous guys wanting a good deal on some high quality NWAs. 
http://www.meteoritesusa.com/wholesale-meteorites.htm

Also, you don't want to miss this. I have a beautiful 420g Corner piece 
Of Highly Fusion Crusted "FRESH" Bassikounou H5 Chondrite: Gorgeous 
piece of the Bassikounou meteorite with awesome black fusion crust, nice 
lines, displays beautifully. Will make a great addition to any 
collection or will slice up nicely for individual slices for resell. You 
should be able to double or TRIPLE your money on this piece! Wonderfully 
sculpted and full of character. This deal won't last long!

You can view even more photos of all my lots and individuals on my 
wholesale meteorites page: 
http://www.meteoritesusa.com/wholesale-meteorites.htm Just scroll to the 
bottom of the page.

Contact me off-list for all offers. Send me an email... 
eric at meteoritesusa.com or eric at meteoritewatch.com

Be sure to check out my forums as well. I got rid of of the complicated 
crap and made it simple for everyone to use. It's just a forum now and 
WAY easier to use. www.meteoritewatch.com

Thanks!

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA
Meteorite Watch






From illaenus at wp.pl  Mon Aug  4 09:35:43 2008
From: illaenus at wp.pl (Tomasz Jakubowski)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:35:43 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD NWA 5296  46 kg
Message-ID: <489705afb26bb@wp.pl>

Hello,
I have a nice, fresh 46 kg chondrite NWA 5296 (prov.) for sale/trade.
It is a part of oriented piece, with good long shaped regmaglypts.
Fusion crust is on one side (is very fresh after cleaning).
Inside chondrite is fresh looking, with lots of metal flakes, big 
troilite inclusion, chondrules are not so often (few chondrules have a 1 
cm diameter).
Full classification will be done after about 1 month.
Photos is on :
http://picasaweb.google.com/illaenus/NWA529646kg

Any question please write to my address : illaenus at gmail.com
(I can trade this specimen for Campo del Cielo)


Kind Regards
Tomasz Jakubowski
IMCA  #2321

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From rsvp321 at hotmail.com  Mon Aug  4 14:21:55 2008
From: rsvp321 at hotmail.com (Pete Pete)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 14:21:55 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] How to Polish Stoney Meteorites?
Message-ID: <BAY141-W236D93FD7E06A3C5C8A8A7F8780@phx.gbl>




Greetings, fellow Meteoriteheads,

Here is a topic rarely discussed on the List, but one that I think many of us could benefit from.
The only references I find on the web are for polishing irons.

I have been trying to mechanically polish some of my stones and I just can't get the same glassy finish which I see on some of my purchased samples, or even close to what I have done by hand with 1500 grit wet paper as the finishing stage.

I am using four diamond polishing discs: 100, 600, 1600, and 3000 grit, using distilled water for lubrication.

After I cut the stones open they are quite smooth, and I only use the 100 to get rid of the small nub when it breaks off at the end, or the most visibly non-level surfaces, if necessary.

I hold the stones on the remaining three discs for about five minutes each - when it feels like there is no more abrasion taking place.
The finished product is a glassy-smooth surface to the touch, but without the glassy-smooth, shiny appearance.
Under the microscope I can see very fine scratches from the discs, which I don't see when I polish by hand.


A while ago, someone (I think our Dean Bessey) once made mention of a rule of thumb for mechanical polishing as, "grind fast, polish slow". (I hope I'm not recalling this backwards!)


My questions are;  1. How slow? I don't expect an RPM answer, but would it be the same relative speed that the hand would be moving, if the (final) disc was stationary?

2. Am I just being impatient, and it takes a lot more than five minutes at each stage, even though there doesn't appear to be polishing taking place?
How long should each stage realistically take?

3. Is there another finishing step after the diamond discs?

4. Is there too much of a leap between the grits I have?

5. Is there such a thing as too much liquid lubrication which would reduce the desired grinding effect from the discs?

For the sake of argument, let's use NWA 869 as the meteorite to polish.

Kind regards,
Pete






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From jbrady1 at orange.net  Mon Aug  4 14:40:14 2008
From: jbrady1 at orange.net (Jim Brady)
Date: Mon,  4 Aug 2008 18:40:14 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD---ebay items~LL3.7 99p no reserve
Message-ID: <1876473393.1217875214662.JavaMail.wbs51@mspvp520>

Greetings listees
        Some may be interested in afew auctions currently running on ebay
I have knocked 10% the following 2 items in my ebay store in hopes of shifting them.?Margins sqeaking they're so tight

2.7 kilo unclassified individual with partial rollover rim and lovely shape

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=320232508238
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4.2 grams/21 carat moldavite---spiky spear- gorgeous

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=320263805038
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other items of note


575 gram individual of NWA 787---lovely shape.starting price about 50 cents a gram

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=320282466476
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330 gram pristine unclassified specimen, deep dark crust,not even a hint of caliche 99% PFC.Priced to sell

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=320282409773
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NWA 1279 (LL3.7) loaded with multi coloured chondrules

2 started at 99p with no reserve 

1.4 gram
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=320282546694

3.1 gram
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=320282544026

11.5 gram blockcut started at 1/3 of current retail value
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=320282537503
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381 gram unclassified with dark crust and 80% PFC----99p no reserve

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=320282432593

10 items in total started at 99p N/R with more to follow to end on sunday

see them all here

http://shop.ebay.co.uk/merchant/emeraldisleminerals

Thank you
Jim B






From STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com  Mon Aug  4 15:03:40 2008
From: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com (STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 15:03:40 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] How to Polish Stoney Meteorites?
Message-ID: <c6b.399abe30.35c8ac8c@aol.com>

Hi Pete,

I am frequently polishing  samples for incident light microscope work.  I 
often examine meteorites at  1600X and the results are cool!  This requires a 
high polish.  If you  haven't seen my micrographs they are at   
http://www.meteorite.com/meteorite-gallery/   

The most  frequent mistake is to polish to fast. Previous rougher grits leave 
deep cracks  and tend to pluck out crystal fragments. Each polish step must 
be given time to  cut through the micro damage caused by the last step. It may 
look good with a  loupe but get it on a scope at 400X+ and you will see. I use 
a six step process  with 5 diamond grit disks and finish with a 1/4 micron 
Diamond slurry on a felt  pad. This final step makes all the difference. You 
will notice it on a scope and  it also gives that high polish "wet look" that 
really enhances a hand  sample.

When I say "to fast"  I am not talking about platter speed  but rather the 
time spent at the wheel.  I bring music and sometimes a  magazine (never a book 
I don't want damaged).  Even on small 20-40mm  samples I may spent a half hour 
on one of the finer grit levels.  The rough  grind takes only a few seconds 
but the fine grit is time consuming.

I am  sure you can get a beautiful hand sample finish with less time than 
what is need  for scope work.

The August 2006 Meteorite Magazine had an article (From  the Strewn Fields) 
by Martin Horejsi.  He came out to my place and we put  in many hours polishing 
some of his historical meteorites.  (He has an  awesome collection!)  He 
wrote a cool article describing the process.   I don't know if Meteorite articles 
are available on line.

Tom

In a  message dated 8/4/2008 12:22:26 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, 
rsvp321 at hotmail.com  writes:



Greetings, fellow Meteoriteheads,

Here is a topic  rarely discussed on the List, but one that I think many of 
us could benefit  from.
The only references I find on the web are for polishing irons.

I  have been trying to mechanically polish some of my stones and I just can't 
get  the same glassy finish which I see on some of my purchased samples, or 
even  close to what I have done by hand with 1500 grit wet paper as the 
finishing  stage.

I am using four diamond polishing discs: 100, 600, 1600, and 3000  grit, 
using distilled water for lubrication.

After I cut the stones open  they are quite smooth, and I only use the 100 to 
get rid of the small nub when  it breaks off at the end, or the most visibly 
non-level surfaces, if  necessary.

I hold the stones on the remaining three discs for about five  minutes each - 
when it feels like there is no more abrasion taking place.
The  finished product is a glassy-smooth surface to the touch, but without 
the  glassy-smooth, shiny appearance.
Under the microscope I can see very fine  scratches from the discs, which I 
don't see when I polish by hand.


A  while ago, someone (I think our Dean Bessey) once made mention of a rule 
of  thumb for mechanical polishing as, "grind fast, polish slow". (I hope I'm 
not  recalling this backwards!)


My questions are;  1. How slow? I  don't expect an RPM answer, but would it 
be the same relative speed that the  hand would be moving, if the (final) disc 
was stationary?

2. Am I just  being impatient, and it takes a lot more than five minutes at 
each stage, even  though there doesn't appear to be polishing taking place?
How long should  each stage realistically take?

3. Is there another finishing step after  the diamond discs?

4. Is there too much of a leap between the grits I  have?

5. Is there such a thing as too much liquid lubrication which would  reduce 
the desired grinding effect from the discs?

For the sake of  argument, let's use NWA 869 as the meteorite to polish.

Kind  regards,
Pete






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From cojack at tiscali.it  Mon Aug  4 17:24:48 2008
From: cojack at tiscali.it (Francesco Moser)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 23:24:48 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Sigrid Wengert e-mail address
Message-ID: <001501c8f678$86d9d3b0$0200a8c0@FISSO>

Hello!!!
Could someone give me the e-mail address of Sigrid Wengert from Osnabruck - 
Germany???

Thanks!!!


<><><><>
Francesco Moser





From cynapse at charter.net  Mon Aug  4 17:37:44 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:37:44 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] A couple of older meteorite documents
In-Reply-To: <001201c8f5bb$bf74a000$3e5de000$@net>
References: <001201c8f5bb$bf74a000$3e5de000$@net>
Message-ID: <tjte94dhvfumhsabinthjhdcd54uamhd8e@4ax.com>

Don't think these have been listed before:

http://ia331337.us.archive.org/2/items/meteoricastronom00kirkrich/meteoricastronom00kirkrich.pdf

http://ia360938.us.archive.org/1/items/test_alberta2_01185/test_alberta2_01185.pdf

From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Mon Aug  4 17:48:52 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 14:48:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: July 28 - August 1,
	2008
Message-ID: <200808042148.OAA02800@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES
July 28 - August 1, 2008

o Candor Chasma (Released 28 July 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080728a

o Dark Streaks (Released 29 July 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080729a

o Channels (Released 30 July 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080730a

o Polar Winds (Released 31 July 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080731a

o Asymmetric Ejecta (Released 01 August 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080801a


All of the THEMIS images are archived here:

http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html

NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission 
for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission 
Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University,
Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. 
The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State 
University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor 
for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission 
operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a 
division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. 




From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Mon Aug  4 18:21:22 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 15:21:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Phoenix Analyzing Martian Soil Data
Message-ID: <200808042221.PAA06185@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



Aug. 4, 2008

Dwayne Brown
Headquarters, Washington
202-358-1726
dwayne.c.brown at nasa.gov

Guy Webster
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
818-354-6278
guy.webster at jpl.nasa.gov

Sara Hammond
University of Arizona, Tucson
520-626-1974
shammond at lpl.arizona.edu

RELEASE: 08-199

NASA SPACECRAFT ANALYZING MARTIAN SOIL DATA

WASHINGTON -- Scientists are analyzing results from soil samples 
delivered several weeks ago to science instruments on NASA's Phoenix 
Mars Lander to understand the landing site's soil chemistry and 
mineralogy.

Within the last month, two samples have been analyzed by the Wet 
Chemistry Lab of the spacecraft's Microscopy, Electrochemistry, and 
Conductivity Analyzer, or MECA, suggesting one of the soil 
constituents may be perchlorate, a highly oxidizing substance. The 
Phoenix team has been waiting for complementary results from the 
Thermal and Evolved-Gas Analyzer, or TEGA, which also is capable of 
detecting perchlorate. TEGA is a series of ovens and analyzers that 
"sniff" vapors released from substances in a sample.

NASA will hold a media teleconference on Tuesday, Aug. 5, at 2 p.m. 
EDT, to discuss these recent science activities. Participants will be 
introduced at the start of the briefing. To participate in the 
teleconference, reporters should contact Steve Cole on 202-358-0918 
for dial-in and passcode information.

Confirmation of the presence of perchlorate and supporting data is 
important prior to scientific peer review and subsequent public 
announcements. The results from Sunday's TEGA experiment, which 
analyzed a sample taken directly above the ice layer, found no 
evidence of this compound.

"This is surprising since an earlier TEGA measurement of surface 
materials was consistent with but not conclusive of the presence of 
perchlorate," said Peter Smith, Phoenix's principal investigator at 
the University of Arizona, Tucson.

Scientists at the Phoenix Science Operations Center at the University 
of Arizona, Tucson, are specifically looking at the data from these 
instruments to provide information on the composition of Martian 
soil.

"We are committed to following a rigorous scientific process. While we 
have not completed our process on these soil samples, we have very 
interesting intermediate results," said Smith, "Initial MECA analyses 
suggested Earth-like soil. Further analysis has revealed un-Earthlike 
aspects of the soil chemistry." 

The team also is working to totally exonerate any possibility of the 
perchlorate readings being influenced by terrestrial sources which 
may have migrated from the spacecraft, either into samples or into 
the instrumentation. 

"When surprising results are found, we want to review and assure our 
extensive pre-launch contamination control processes covered this 
potential," said Barry Goldstein, Phoenix project manager at NASA's 
Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif.

Since landing on May 25, Phoenix has been studying Martian soil with 
MECA's wet chemistry lab, two microscopes and a conductivity probe, 
TEGA's ovens and two cameras. 

MECA's robotic wet chemistry lab studies soluble chemicals in the soil 
by mixing a soil sample with a water-based solution with several 
reagents brought from Earth. The inner surface of each cell's beaker 
has 26 sensors that give information about the acidity or alkalinity 
and concentrations of elements such as chloride or perchlorate. The 
beaker also can detect concentrations of magnesium, calcium and 
potassium, which form salts that are soluble in water. 

With continuing results and the spacecraft in good condition, the 
mission has been extended through Sept. 30. The original prime 
mission of three months ends in late August. The mission extension 
adds five weeks to the 90 days of the prime mission.

The Phoenix mission is led by Smith at the University of Arizona with 
project management at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, 
Calif., and development partnership at Lockheed Martin in Denver. 
International contributions come from the Canadian Space Agency; the 
University of Neuchatel, Switzerland; the universities of Copenhagen 
and Aarhus in Denmark; the Max Planck Institute in Germany; and the 
Finnish Meteorological Institute. For information about Phoenix, 
visit: 

http://www.nasa.gov/phoenix

	
-end-


From cynapse at charter.net  Mon Aug  4 19:38:11 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:38:11 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ire nor meteorite
In-Reply-To: <200808042221.PAA06185@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
References: <200808042221.PAA06185@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <qk4f94tigejbm33f2ertqcut3jo4gghmjh@4ax.com>

Exceptional!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160267487830

Note the shipping costs.

From MeteorHntr at aol.com  Mon Aug  4 21:57:38 2008
From: MeteorHntr at aol.com (MeteorHntr at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 21:57:38 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: New Steve Arnold "Reverse Auction" on Ebay
Message-ID: <c99.2f4a6757.35c90d92@aol.com>

Hey All,

Just a notice that even now I am loading up a new  batch of meteorites on 
Ebay in "Reverse Auction" format, or more accurately in  another: "Steve Arnold's 
Famous Ebay Discount Marathon."

Every 24 hours  or so, I will increase the Discount off of the already 
reasonable price.   The prices will continue to drop on each item until it sells, or 
until I can't  stand it and I revert the prices back up to the "normal 
reasonable "Buy It Now"  price.

As a reminder, PLEASE use the following link to go look at my  listings:
 
_http://stores.ebay.com/Steve-Arnold-Meteorites?refid=store_ 
(http://stores.ebay.com/Steve-Arnold-Meteorites?refid=store)   
 
Ebay gives me a 75% refund IF and ONLY IF I send the bidder to the site  from 
the above link.  If you come into my pages via ANY OTHER WAY, I  don't get 
the discount.  The more I save, the more it makes it feasible  that I can 
continue to do this.  Besides, this is a way you can "stick it"  to the big 
corporation and keep the money in the hands of the nice  guys.

And as a reminder, I am BOTH a field hunter AND a dealer.   When you purchase 
meteorites from Hunter/Dealers like myself, you help us get  back out in the 
field and find more meteorites for both science and the  collector market.  
Your patronage and support is greatly appreciated!
 
Again, PLEASE bookmark and use the following link to go to my  auctions:


Godspeed!

The Real Steve Arnold
 



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From MeteorHntr at aol.com  Mon Aug  4 21:59:24 2008
From: MeteorHntr at aol.com (MeteorHntr at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 21:59:24 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: New Steve Arnold "Reverse Auction" on Ebay
Message-ID: <bbf.311f7c9e.35c90dfc@aol.com>


Hey All,

Just a notice that  even now I am loading up a new batch of meteorites on 
Ebay in "Reverse Auction"  format, or more accurately in another: "Steve Arnold's 
Famous Ebay Discount  Marathon."

Every 24 hours or so, I will increase the Discount off of the  already 
reasonable price.  The prices will continue to drop on each item  until it sells, or 
until I can't stand it and I revert the prices back up to the  "normal 
reasonable "Buy It Now" price.

As a reminder, PLEASE use the  following link to go look at my  listings:

http://stores.ebay.com/Steve-Arnold-Meteorites?refid=store   

Ebay gives me a 75% refund IF and ONLY IF I send the bidder to the site  from 
the above link.  If you come into my pages via ANY OTHER WAY, I don't  get 
the discount.  The more I save, the more it makes it feasible that I  can 
continue to do this.  Besides, this is a way you can "stick it" to the  big 
corporation and keep the money in the hands of the nice guys.

And as  a reminder, I am BOTH a field hunter AND a dealer.  When you purchase 
 meteorites from Hunter/Dealers like myself, you help us get back out in the  
field and find more meteorites for both science and the collector market.   
Your patronage and support is greatly appreciated!

Again, PLEASE bookmark  and use the following link to go to my  auctions:

http://stores.ebay.com/Steve-Arnold-Meteorites?refid=store   


Godspeed!

The Real Steve Arnold  




**************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? 
Read reviews on AOL Autos.      
(http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 )

From mexicodoug at aim.com  Tue Aug  5 01:54:09 2008
From: mexicodoug at aim.com (mexicodoug at aim.com)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 01:54:09 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Phoenix Analyzing Martian Soil Data
In-Reply-To: <200808042221.PAA06185@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
References: <200808042221.PAA06185@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <8CAC4D6D00A069B-7AC-2BF8@FWM-M42.sysops.aol.com>

NASA wrote:

"This is surprising since an earlier TEGA measurement of surface
materials was consistent with but not conclusive of the presence of
perchlorate," said Peter Smith"

Dear List ... this really sounds like wishful thinking, two holes in 
one...though the flip side could be a poisoned planet...

Would be nice ...
(1) having enough the raw material to make perchlorate candles for the 
generation of all the oxygen needed for colonization of the area, no 
water or electroysis wasted to make breathable oxygen.
(2) burning the perchlorate and the principal result: Water.  Iron 
filings work (lots of iron on rusty Mars, and there are always 
meteorites as a back-up.

Not to mention having most of the material needed to manufacture rocket 
fuel in situ (just add the iron or better yet aluminum shavings) to get 
the heck out when necessary.  So all we need is confirmation of this at 
a mineable level plus the upoming announcement (?) of clay to provide a 
water reservior to complement this oxygen and H2O reservior and there'd 
even be a back up source of water.

The challenge could be to detoxify the water of perchlorate and make it 
safe - something that seems impossible on earth for regulators?

http://www.americanchemistry.com/s_chlorine/sec_content.asp?CID=1236&DID=4709&CTYPEID=113

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_oxygen_generator#Oxygen_candle

Best wishes,
Doug




-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Baalke <baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
To: Meteorite Mailing List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 5:21 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] Phoenix Analyzing Martian Soil Data




Aug. 4, 2008

Dwayne Brown
Headquarters, Washington
202-358-1726
dwayne.c.brown at nasa.gov

Guy Webster
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
818-354-6278
guy.webster at jpl.nasa.gov

Sara Hammond
University of Arizona, Tucson
520-626-1974
shammond at lpl.arizona.edu

RELEASE: 08-199

NASA SPACECRAFT ANALYZING MARTIAN SOIL DATA

WASHINGTON -- Scientists are analyzing results from soil samples
delivered several weeks ago to science instruments on NASA's Phoenix
Mars Lander to understand the landing site's soil chemistry and
mineralogy.

Within the last month, two samples have been analyzed by the Wet
Chemistry Lab of the spacecraft's Microscopy, Electrochemistry, and
Conductivity Analyzer, or MECA, suggesting one of the soil
constituents may be perchlorate, a highly oxidizing substance. The
Phoenix team has been waiting for complementary results from the
Thermal and Evolved-Gas Analyzer, or TEGA, which also is capable of
detecting perchlorate. TEGA is a series of ovens and analyzers that
"sniff" vapors released from substances in a sample.

NASA will hold a media teleconference on Tuesday, Aug. 5, at 2 p.m.
EDT, to discuss these recent science activities. Participants will be
introduced at the start of the briefing. To participate in the
teleconference, reporters should contact Steve Cole on 202-358-0918
for dial-in and passcode information.

Confirmation of the presence of perchlorate and supporting data is
important prior to scientific peer review and subsequent public
announcements. The results from Sunday's TEGA experiment, which
analyzed a sample taken directly above the ice layer, found no
evidence of this compound.

"This is surprising since an earlier TEGA measurement of surface
materials was consistent with but not conclusive of the presence of
perchlorate," said Peter Smith, Phoenix's principal investigator at
the University of Arizona, Tucson.

Scientists at the Phoenix Science Operations Center at the University
of Arizona, Tucson, are specifically looking at the data from these
instruments to provide information on the composition of Martian
soil.

"We are committed to following a rigorous scientific process. While we
have not completed our process on these soil samples, we have very
interesting intermediate results," said Smith, "Initial MECA analyses
suggested Earth-like soil. Further analysis has revealed un-Earthlike
aspects of the soil chemistry."

The team also is working to totally exonerate any possibility of the
perchlorate readings being influenced by terrestrial sources which
may have migrated from the spacecraft, either into samples or into
the instrumentation.

"When surprising results are found, we want to review and assure our
extensive pre-launch contamination control processes covered this
potential," said Barry Goldstein, Phoenix project manager at NASA's
Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif.

Since landing on May 25, Phoenix has been studying Martian soil with
MECA's wet chemistry lab, two microscopes and a conductivity probe,
TEGA's ovens and two cameras.

MECA's robotic wet chemistry lab studies soluble chemicals in the soil
by mixing a soil sample with a water-based solution with several
reagents brought from Earth. The inner surface of each cell's beaker
has 26 sensors that give information about the acidity or alkalinity
and concentrations of elements such as chloride or perchlorate. The
beaker also can detect concentrations of magnesium, calcium and
potassium, which form salts that are soluble in water.

With continuing results and the spacecraft in good condition, the
mission has been extended through Sept. 30. The original prime
mission of three months ends in late August. The mission extension
adds five weeks to the 90 days of the prime mission.

The Phoenix mission is led by Smith at the University of Arizona with
project management at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena,
Calif., and development partnership at Lockheed Martin in Denver.
International contributions come from the Canadian Space Agency; the
University of Neuchatel, Switzerland; the universities of Copenhagen
and Aarhus in Denmark; the Max Planck Institute in Germany; and the
Finnish Meteorological Institute. For information about Phoenix,
visit:

http://www.nasa.gov/phoenix


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From cynapse at charter.net  Tue Aug  5 02:04:56 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 02:04:56 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Phoenix Analyzing Martian Soil Data
In-Reply-To: <8CAC4D6D00A069B-7AC-2BF8@FWM-M42.sysops.aol.com>
References: <200808042221.PAA06185@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
	<8CAC4D6D00A069B-7AC-2BF8@FWM-M42.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <40rf94pmf5d65fe74golv2f2jgtnt78f0q@4ax.com>

On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 01:54:09 -0400, you wrote:

>Not to mention having most of the material needed to manufacture rocket 
>fuel in situ (just add the iron or better yet aluminum shavings) to get 
>the heck out when necessary.  

Hm.  That makes me think... if we ever make it to Mars and decide to stay a
while, maybe a skyhook would be possible.  I have my doubts that the right type
of unobtanium will ever be found on Earth to make one practical/feasible here,
but with the much lower gravity for Mars, a geostationary orbit half as high,
and less wind to worry about, it might be more doable.  

From mexicodoug at aim.com  Tue Aug  5 02:56:17 2008
From: mexicodoug at aim.com (mexicodoug at aim.com)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 02:56:17 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Phoenix Analyzing Martian Soil Data
In-Reply-To: <40rf94pmf5d65fe74golv2f2jgtnt78f0q@4ax.com>
References: <200808042221.PAA06185@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>	<8CAC4D6D00A069B-7AC-2BF8@FWM-M42.sysops.aol.com>
	<40rf94pmf5d65fe74golv2f2jgtnt78f0q@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <8CAC4DF7E6BDF1F-7AC-2CF3@FWM-M42.sysops.aol.com>

Hey Darren, why not sounds reasonable? Also got me to thinking, besides 
an unlimited source of oxygen, water (both essentials with these 
back-ups: H2O from clays and frost, O2 by electrolysis of water), and 
propellant/oxidizer all in one family of compounds there, perchlorate 
provides unlimited energy and explosives.

http://www.anarchistcookbook.com/f10/sodium-perchlorate-explosive-9386/

- a green lizard-like Gorn may appear any minute.  No shortage of 
material to build effective weapons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arena_%28Star_Trek%29#Spoiler
or if not,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arena_%28Star_Trek%29#Plot

Best wishes,
Doug


-----Original Message-----
From: Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net>
To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 1:04 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Phoenix Analyzing Martian Soil Data



On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 01:54:09 -0400, you wrote:

>Not to mention having most of the material needed to manufacture 
rocket
>fuel in situ (just add the iron or better yet aluminum shavings) to 
get
>the heck out when necessary.

Hm.  That makes me think... if we ever make it to Mars and decide to 
stay a
while, maybe a skyhook would be possible.  I have my doubts that the 
right type
of unobtanium will ever be found on Earth to make one 
practical/feasible here,
but with the much lower gravity for Mars, a geostationary orbit half as 
high,
and less wind to worry about, it might be more doable.
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From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug  5 04:02:49 2008
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 03:02:49 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Phoenix Analyzing Martian Soil Data
References: <200808042221.PAA06185@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov><8CAC4D6D00A069B-7AC-2BF8@FWM-M42.sysops.aol.com>
	<40rf94pmf5d65fe74golv2f2jgtnt78f0q@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <01d801c8f6d1$a8382a30$4c25e146@ATARIENGINE>

Hi, Darren, Doug, List,

    There is no doubt that Mars was made for a
Space Elevator, or is it the other way around?
Arthur C. Clarke's novel "The Fountains of
Paradise" details the much easier reqirements for
a Mars Elevator, over the terrestrial difficulties.

    The Space Elevator or Orbital Tower has been
invented over and over again, independently, by a
number of people during the 20th century: Tsiolkovski
in 1895, Isaacs (and Vine, Bradner and Bachus)
in the 1966, and Artsutanov in 1960 before them
(but unnoticed in the West). In 1975 Jerome
Pearson thought of and worked out the full math
of the Elevator without knowing that anyone else
had ever done it, another independent invention.
And even Clarke himself "invented" it. It's one of
the "most-invented" ideas in engineering!

    As for the need for Unobtainium, we do not
require so expensive a material. We can make do
with Almost-there-ium. It requires 65 gigaPascals
(with no safety margin) and carbon nanotubes
are in the 52 to 63 gigaPascal range.

    There is a great Wikipedia article on Elevators:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_elavator

    There is a (struggling) Space Elevator company:
the Liftport Group:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LiftPort_Group

You can read a portion of the Liftport Group's
book about Space Elevators at Google Books:
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&id=nvTRoXs_V30C&dq=liftport&printsec=frontcover&source=web&ots=hROXoK54uc&sig=99jRmKrn6la7JvkhD0Zx3kALpT0&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=10&ct=result#PPA11,M1

The viewable portion of the book contains
Arthur C. Clarke's 1981 paper on the Elevator.
It has a very interesting section on the question
of materials. Did you know there is a design
("the stepped tower") that could be built from
ANY material, no matter how weak? Paper,
for example.

    However, it appears that composite ribbons
of bonded carbon nanotubes are very close to
the strength required and can be improved to
meet the need. That's what the Liftport Group
proposes using, anyway. Here's an old (2006)
video of a 1000-foot climb by a Liftport lifter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjcaQT_ssE4

    There are other endeavors also: Black Line
Ascension (nice video, anyway):
http://www.blacklineascension.com/

    There's a Foundation with a demonstration
prize, the Spaceward Foundation:
http://www.spaceward.org/

    There is no invention more likely to actually
happen than the one that only depends on a slight
progressive improvement in materials. Present-day
composite ribbons of bonded carbon nanotubes
are over half the needed strength, and that is a
technology that is just beginning. We'll get there,
if not with them, with some engineered material.

    My $0.02 worth.



Sterling K. Webb
----------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darren Garrison" <cynapse at charter.net>
To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 1:04 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Phoenix Analyzing Martian Soil Data


On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 01:54:09 -0400, you wrote:

>Not to mention having most of the material needed to manufacture rocket
>fuel in situ (just add the iron or better yet aluminum shavings) to get
>the heck out when necessary.

Hm.  That makes me think... if we ever make it to Mars and decide to stay a
while, maybe a skyhook would be possible.  I have my doubts that the right 
type
of unobtanium will ever be found on Earth to make one practical/feasible 
here,
but with the much lower gravity for Mars, a geostationary orbit half as 
high,
and less wind to worry about, it might be more doable.
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From drtanuki at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  5 07:49:20 2008
From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 04:49:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD* new Africa impact crater page and a new?
	crater?
Message-ID: <126834.50556.qm@web53212.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Dear list,
  I have completed a page on impact craters of Africa with images from Google Earth. 

http://meteoritesjapan.com/africacraters.aspx



 At the very bottom of the page is a newly? discovered crater?  Origin of the crater is unknown.  Does anyone have any information about this feature?

Info:
Western Sahara, Africa
28?25' N, 129?38' E
Diameter 35m

Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo

From vs.petrovich at gmail.com  Tue Aug  5 09:37:32 2008
From: vs.petrovich at gmail.com (Sergey Vasiliev)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 15:37:32 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD Ebay auctions ending soon
Message-ID: <LCELIFLDMGKFPKOAIBKOCEOKELAA.vs.petrovich@gmail.com>

Hello List!
Some auctions with nice micros will end in a few hours.
Please take a look if interested:
http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/svassiliev
Thanks
Sergey

-----------------------------------------
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U Dalnice 839,
Prague 5, 15500
Czech Republic
------------------------------------------
http://www.sv-meteorites.com
http://impactites.net
http://systematic-mineralogy.com


From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  5 10:56:48 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 07:56:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD* new Africa impact crater page and a new?
	crater?
In-Reply-To: <126834.50556.qm@web53212.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <966190.21318.qm@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

WOW, dirk, that is great work, it is amazing to see all those craters, and the new one is very interesting? It is right on the beach, would be a nice place to visit!
Mike



--- On Tue, 8/5/08, drtanuki <drtanuki at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: drtanuki <drtanuki at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] AD* new Africa impact crater page and a new? crater?
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 5:49 AM
> Dear list,
>   I have completed a page on impact craters of Africa with
> images from Google Earth. 
> 
> http://meteoritesjapan.com/africacraters.aspx
> 
> 
> 
>  At the very bottom of the page is a newly? discovered
> crater?  Origin of the crater is unknown.  Does anyone have
> any information about this feature?
> 
> Info:
> Western Sahara, Africa
> 28?25' N, 129?38' E
> Diameter 35m
> 
> Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo
> ______________________________________________
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From grf2 at verizon.net  Tue Aug  5 11:29:03 2008
From: grf2 at verizon.net (Jerry)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 11:29:03 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD* new Africa impact crater page and a
	new?	crater?
In-Reply-To: <126834.50556.qm@web53212.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <126834.50556.qm@web53212.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2D295B545DC64B118D9111EFB882F810@Notebook>

Thank you Dirk for sharing your work.
Jerry Flaherty
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "drtanuki" <drtanuki at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 7:49 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD* new Africa impact crater page and a new? 
crater?


Dear list,
  I have completed a page on impact craters of Africa with images from 
Google Earth.

http://meteoritesjapan.com/africacraters.aspx



 At the very bottom of the page is a newly? discovered crater?  Origin of 
the crater is unknown.  Does anyone have any information about this feature?

Info:
Western Sahara, Africa
28?25' N, 129?38' E
Diameter 35m

Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo
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From gredfern at earthlink.net  Sun Aug  3 12:41:19 2008
From: gredfern at earthlink.net (Greg Redfern)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 12:41:19 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] It's Episode 5 of Astrocast.tv!
Message-ID: <007801c8f587$c5c98e90$6600a8c0@gregufeopu010a>

Hello,

  Please tune in to the latest episode of Astrocast.tv:
http://astrocast.tv/

Thanks,

Greg Redfern
NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador
http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html
WHAT'S UP?: THE SPACE PLACE
http://www.wtopnews.com/?sid=600113&nid=421
ASTROCAST
http://astrocast.tv/



From gsac at gmx.net  Tue Aug  5 13:37:01 2008
From: gsac at gmx.net (Alexander Seidel)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 19:37:01 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD* new Africa impact crater page and a
	new?	crater?
In-Reply-To: <966190.21318.qm@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <966190.21318.qm@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20080805173701.266660@gmx.net>

Well, I?m not quite sure whether this would really be "a nice place to visit", Mike, as you call it - I mean in real life under actual circumstances. The territory of Western Sahara is contested between Morocco and Polisario Front, and long before any convincing proof that this is a crater of meteoritic origin, some manmade origin of military character might and should be taken into closer consideration first.

Alex
Berlin/Germany


-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 07:56:48 -0700 (PDT)
> Von: Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, drtanuki at yahoo.com
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] AD* new Africa impact crater page and a new?	crater?

> WOW, dirk, that is great work, it is amazing to see all those craters, and
> the new one is very interesting? It is right on the beach, would be a nice
> place to visit!
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Tue, 8/5/08, drtanuki <drtanuki at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: drtanuki <drtanuki at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] AD* new Africa impact crater page and a new?
> crater?
> > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 5:49 AM
> > Dear list,
> >   I have completed a page on impact craters of Africa with
> > images from Google Earth. 
> > 
> > http://meteoritesjapan.com/africacraters.aspx
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  At the very bottom of the page is a newly? discovered
> > crater?  Origin of the crater is unknown.  Does anyone have
> > any information about this feature?
> > 
> > Info:
> > Western Sahara, Africa
> > 28?25' N, 129?38' E
> > Diameter 35m
> > 
> > Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo
> > ______________________________________________
> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> ______________________________________________
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From meteoritekid at gmail.com  Tue Aug  5 14:15:00 2008
From: meteoritekid at gmail.com (Jason Utas)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 11:15:00 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD* new Africa impact crater page and a new?
	crater?
In-Reply-To: <20080805173701.266660@gmx.net>
References: <966190.21318.qm@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<20080805173701.266660@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <93aaac890808051115m37f6bca8x1f60ed989ed992f@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Alex, All,

Well, first-off, the power needed to make a 35m crater...I don't think
conventional weapons would do it.

Secondly, I did some sleuthing and managed to find this:

http://www.gearthhacks.com/dlfile24600/African-Meteor-Crater?.htm

Third, when I plug in the coordinates available on Dirk's site, I get
an island just south of Japan....I couldn't find the crater by trying
to read the coordinates in the screenshot - too difficult.
Anyone know where it really is?  Dirk?

Regards,
Jason


On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Alexander Seidel <gsac at gmx.net> wrote:
> Well, I?m not quite sure whether this would really be "a nice place to visit", Mike, as you call it - I mean in real life under actual circumstances. The territory of Western Sahara is contested between Morocco and Polisario Front, and long before any convincing proof that this is a crater of meteoritic origin, some manmade origin of military character might and should be taken into closer consideration first.
>
> Alex
> Berlin/Germany
>
>
> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
>> Datum: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 07:56:48 -0700 (PDT)
>> Von: Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
>> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, drtanuki at yahoo.com
>> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] AD* new Africa impact crater page and a new?    crater?
>
>> WOW, dirk, that is great work, it is amazing to see all those craters, and
>> the new one is very interesting? It is right on the beach, would be a nice
>> place to visit!
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On Tue, 8/5/08, drtanuki <drtanuki at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > From: drtanuki <drtanuki at yahoo.com>
>> > Subject: [meteorite-list] AD* new Africa impact crater page and a new?
>> crater?
>> > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 5:49 AM
>> > Dear list,
>> >   I have completed a page on impact craters of Africa with
>> > images from Google Earth.
>> >
>> > http://meteoritesjapan.com/africacraters.aspx
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >  At the very bottom of the page is a newly? discovered
>> > crater?  Origin of the crater is unknown.  Does anyone have
>> > any information about this feature?
>> >
>> > Info:
>> > Western Sahara, Africa
>> > 28?25' N, 129?38' E
>> > Diameter 35m
>> >
>> > Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo
>> > ______________________________________________
>> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> > Meteorite-list mailing list
>> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> ______________________________________________
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> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>

From gsac at gmx.net  Tue Aug  5 14:24:24 2008
From: gsac at gmx.net (Alexander Seidel)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:24:24 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD* new Africa impact crater page and a
	new?	crater?
In-Reply-To: <93aaac890808051115m37f6bca8x1f60ed989ed992f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <966190.21318.qm@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<20080805173701.266660@gmx.net>
	<93aaac890808051115m37f6bca8x1f60ed989ed992f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080805182424.232060@gmx.net>

Ok, ok - hi Dirk, so this is "your" crater! :-) Well, this changes my argument!
Thank you, Jason.

Alex
Berlin/Germany


-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 11:15:00 -0700
> Von: "Jason Utas" <meteoritekid at gmail.com>
> An: Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] AD* new Africa impact crater page and a new?	crater?

> Hello Alex, All,
> 
> Well, first-off, the power needed to make a 35m crater...I don't think
> conventional weapons would do it.
> 
> Secondly, I did some sleuthing and managed to find this:
> 
> http://www.gearthhacks.com/dlfile24600/African-Meteor-Crater?.htm
> 
> Third, when I plug in the coordinates available on Dirk's site, I get
> an island just south of Japan....I couldn't find the crater by trying
> to read the coordinates in the screenshot - too difficult.
> Anyone know where it really is?  Dirk?
> 
> Regards,
> Jason
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Alexander Seidel <gsac at gmx.net> wrote:
> > Well, I?m not quite sure whether this would really be "a nice place to
> visit", Mike, as you call it - I mean in real life under actual
> circumstances. The territory of Western Sahara is contested between Morocco and
> Polisario Front, and long before any convincing proof that this is a crater of
> meteoritic origin, some manmade origin of military character might and should
> be taken into closer consideration first.
> >
> > Alex
> > Berlin/Germany
> >
> >
> > -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> >> Datum: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 07:56:48 -0700 (PDT)
> >> Von: Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> >> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, drtanuki at yahoo.com
> >> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] AD* new Africa impact crater page and a
> new?    crater?
> >
> >> WOW, dirk, that is great work, it is amazing to see all those craters,
> and
> >> the new one is very interesting? It is right on the beach, would be a
> nice
> >> place to visit!
> >> Mike
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Tue, 8/5/08, drtanuki <drtanuki at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > From: drtanuki <drtanuki at yahoo.com>
> >> > Subject: [meteorite-list] AD* new Africa impact crater page and a
> new?
> >> crater?
> >> > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >> > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 5:49 AM
> >> > Dear list,
> >> >   I have completed a page on impact craters of Africa with
> >> > images from Google Earth.
> >> >
> >> > http://meteoritesjapan.com/africacraters.aspx
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >  At the very bottom of the page is a newly? discovered
> >> > crater?  Origin of the crater is unknown.  Does anyone have
> >> > any information about this feature?
> >> >
> >> > Info:
> >> > Western Sahara, Africa
> >> > 28?25' N, 129?38' E
> >> > Diameter 35m
> >> >
> >> > Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo
> >> > ______________________________________________
> >> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> >> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> >> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >> ______________________________________________
> >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> >> Meteorite-list mailing list
> >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> > ______________________________________________
> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >
> ______________________________________________
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> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list

From chinaren76 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  5 14:50:38 2008
From: chinaren76 at yahoo.com (Ma Lan)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 11:50:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] My own website opened
Message-ID: <527667.58502.qm@web52707.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hello Listees,

Thanks for many list-members' help, my own website now is opened. See here Plz,

Http://www.malanmeteorites.com

or

Http://www.chinameteorites.com

Simply just as it is, my main interests will be focused on 1) Chinese newest fall or recovery; 2) Chinese tektites. I will add more stuff when i have more spare time.

Everyone is welcomed. And many thanks in advance for anyone's any suggestion.

Best wishes to all,
Ma Lan
Beijing China


      

From magbish3 at lowcountry.com  Tue Aug  5 15:08:30 2008
From: magbish3 at lowcountry.com (Mal Bishop)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:08:30 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] The Tunguska Mystery--100 Years Later (article
 from June 2008 issue of Scientific American)
Message-ID: <20080805190829.794951BF511@smtp0.av-mx.com>




Not sure if anyone posted this particular link awhile back around the 
anniversary of the Tunguska Event, but here's a fairly long
article on SciAm's website from there June 2008 issue prepared by our 
friends from the University of Bologna 
(  http://www-th.bo.infn.it/tunguska/  ),
Dr.'s Giuseppe Longo, Luca Gasperini, and Enrico Bonatti:

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=the-tunguska-mystery-100-years-later&sc=WR_20080701

some more articles pertaining to Tunguska:

http://www.sciam.com/search/index.cfm?q=tunguska&submit.x=0&submit.y=0&submit=submit

Some may find something of interest.  If this has previously been 
posted, apologizes.

Mal


From m42protosun at aol.com  Tue Aug  5 16:48:37 2008
From: m42protosun at aol.com (m42protosun at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:48:37 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD* new Africa impact crater page and a new?
	crater?
In-Reply-To: <126834.50556.qm@web53212.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <126834.50556.qm@web53212.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CAC553C474E297-10A4-10D3@webmail-nc20.sysops.aol.com>

Hello Dirk and all list members to whom it may concern,
on my nightly hunt for inpact structures I have found the following 
candidates in Mongolia.
1.  46?40'57.79"N, 102?37'33.29"E  14/7 km complex
2.  44?53'38.60"N, 98?23'50.64"E    1.0 km
3.  46?11'35.44"N, 109? 6'53.56"E   0.6 km
4,  44?15'29.26"N, 109?20'59.64"E   3.5 km
5.  44?18'51.08"N, 108? 5'34.69"E   2.0 km

Please try to find and give me response

Uwe


-----Urspr?ngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: drtanuki <drtanuki at yahoo.com>
An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Verschickt: Di., 5. Aug. 2008, 13:49
Thema: [meteorite-list] AD* new Africa impact crater page and a new? 
crater?



Dear list,
   I have completed a page on impact craters of Africa with images from 
Google
Earth.

http://meteoritesjapan.com/africacraters.aspx



  At the very bottom of the page is a newly? discovered crater?  Origin 
of the
crater is unknown.  Does anyone have any information about this feature?

Info:
Western Sahara, Africa
28?25' N, 129?38' E
Diameter 35m

Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo
______________________________________________
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Meteorite-list mailing list
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From eric at meteoritewatch.com  Tue Aug  5 17:02:40 2008
From: eric at meteoritewatch.com (Eric Wichman)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:02:40 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Great Big Sale - Mistake
In-Reply-To: <mailman.46.1217952089.86865.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
References: <mailman.46.1217952089.86865.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <4898BFF0.80203@meteoritewatch.com>

Hi All,

As I was moving stuff around I made a 5g mistake in the weight of the 
Bassikounou. It's actually 415 grams... Stupid me! Sorry for the 
misprint, I simply forgot to double check my weight before I listed it.

So to make things all better I've dropped the price from $1499 to only 
$1299! I know 5 grams isn't worth a $200 drop in price on such a nice 
piece ;), but I found another piece I "NEED" and "NEED" to move the 
Bassikounou NOW! My loss is you gain on this one.

Also, All reasonable offers will be considered on this gorgeous piece.

Ebay Auction: 
http://cgi.ebay.com/420g-BASSIKOUNOU-CHONDRITE-METEORITE-BEAUTIFUL-CRUST_W0QQitemZ250277503801 


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http://www.meteoritesusa.com/wholesale-meteorites.htm

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From meteoriteshow at free.fr  Tue Aug  5 19:58:58 2008
From: meteoriteshow at free.fr (Meteoriteshow)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 23:58:58 -0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD* new Africa impact crater page and
	anew?	crater?
References: <126834.50556.qm@web53212.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<2D295B545DC64B118D9111EFB882F810@Notebook>
Message-ID: <001901c8f757$3ab58850$0100a8c0@T42>

Hi Dirk,

Many thanks for this very interesting page, Dirk. I appreciate to see the 
Bosumtwi crater in Ghana, where i have the chance to go whenever i like 
since i moved to Ghana. A beautiful and peaceful lake, where i like to go 
and spend a week-end from time to time, and one of the youngest (if not THE 
youngest?) impact crater at the surface of the Earth!

All the best,

Frederic Beroud
www.meteoriteshow.com
IMCA #2491

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "drtanuki" <drtanuki at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 7:49 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD* new Africa impact crater page and a new?
crater?


Dear list,
  I have completed a page on impact craters of Africa with images from
Google Earth.

http://meteoritesjapan.com/africacraters.aspx



 At the very bottom of the page is a newly? discovered crater?  Origin of
the crater is unknown.  Does anyone have any information about this feature?

Info:
Western Sahara, Africa
28?25' N, 129?38' E
Diameter 35m

Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo
______________________________________________
http://www.meteoritecentral.com
Meteorite-list mailing list
Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list

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From drtanuki at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  5 20:53:52 2008
From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 17:53:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD* new Africa impact crater page and a new?
	crater?
In-Reply-To: <93aaac890808051115m37f6bca8x1f60ed989ed992f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <662998.36123.qm@web53209.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi Jason,
  Thank you for your checking.  Unfortunately, at 4am in the morning when I finished the page and added the last entry somehow the wrong coordinates were entered.

The webpage has been corrected to reflect the correct coordinates:

21?21'34.57 N, 17? 01' 33.66 W

  The diameter is about 35m  and is in a not-so-friendly part of the world.

Dirk Ross...Tokyo



--- On Wed, 8/6/08, Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD* new Africa impact crater page and a new? crater?
> To: "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 3:15 AM
> Hello Alex, All,
> 
> Well, first-off, the power needed to make a 35m crater...I
> don't think
> conventional weapons would do it.
> 
> Secondly, I did some sleuthing and managed to find this:
> 
> http://www.gearthhacks.com/dlfile24600/African-Meteor-Crater?.htm
> 
> Third, when I plug in the coordinates available on
> Dirk's site, I get
> an island just south of Japan....I couldn't find the
> crater by trying
> to read the coordinates in the screenshot - too difficult.
> Anyone know where it really is?  Dirk?
> 
> Regards,
> Jason
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Alexander Seidel
> <gsac at gmx.net> wrote:
> > Well, I?m not quite sure whether this would really be
> "a nice place to visit", Mike, as you call it - I
> mean in real life under actual circumstances. The territory
> of Western Sahara is contested between Morocco and Polisario
> Front, and long before any convincing proof that this is a
> crater of meteoritic origin, some manmade origin of military
> character might and should be taken into closer
> consideration first.
> >
> > Alex
> > Berlin/Germany
> >
> >
> > -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> >> Datum: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 07:56:48 -0700 (PDT)
> >> Von: Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> >> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com,
> drtanuki at yahoo.com
> >> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] AD* new Africa
> impact crater page and a new?    crater?
> >
> >> WOW, dirk, that is great work, it is amazing to
> see all those craters, and
> >> the new one is very interesting? It is right on
> the beach, would be a nice
> >> place to visit!
> >> Mike
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Tue, 8/5/08, drtanuki
> <drtanuki at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > From: drtanuki <drtanuki at yahoo.com>
> >> > Subject: [meteorite-list] AD* new Africa
> impact crater page and a new?
> >> crater?
> >> > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >> > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 5:49 AM
> >> > Dear list,
> >> >   I have completed a page on impact craters
> of Africa with
> >> > images from Google Earth.
> >> >
> >> > http://meteoritesjapan.com/africacraters.aspx
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >  At the very bottom of the page is a newly?
> discovered
> >> > crater?  Origin of the crater is unknown. 
> Does anyone have
> >> > any information about this feature?
> >> >
> >> > Info:
> >> > Western Sahara, Africa
> >> > 28?25' N, 129?38' E
> >> > Diameter 35m
> >> >
> >> > Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo
> >> >
> ______________________________________________
> >> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> >> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> >> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >> >
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >> ______________________________________________
> >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> >> Meteorite-list mailing list
> >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >>
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> > ______________________________________________
> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >
> ______________________________________________
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> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list

From meteoritefinder at gmail.com  Tue Aug  5 22:17:31 2008
From: meteoritefinder at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 19:17:31 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Huge Ebay sale! Over $16, 000 in killer meteorites!
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From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Wed Aug  6 12:32:53 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 09:32:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rosetta Starts Tracking Asteroid 2867 Steins
Message-ID: <200808061632.JAA26429@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEMF0B8N9JF_index_0.html

Rosetta starts tracking asteroid Steins
European Space Agency
4 August 2008

Heading toward its first target-asteroid, (2867) Steins, ESA's Rosetta
spacecraft has started using its cameras to visually track the asteroid and
eventually determine its orbit with more accuracy.

Rosetta started the optical navigation campaign on 4 August 2008, at a
distance of about 24 million km from Steins; the campaign will continue
until 4 September, when the spacecraft will be approximately 950 000 km from
the asteroid.

"The orbit of Steins, with which Rosetta will rendezvous on 5 September,
closing to a distance of 800 km, is only known thanks to ground
observations, but not yet with the accuracy we would like for the close
fly-by," said Gerhard Schwehm, Rosetta Mission Manager based at ESA's
European Space Astronomy Centre (ESAC), near Madrid, Spain.

Optical tracking to better understand Steins' orbit
 
The purpose of the tracking campaign is to reduce the error in our knowledge
of Steins' orbit from about 100 km to only within 2 km (in the direction
perpendicular to the flight direction of the asteroid, called
'cross-track'), so as to allow Rosetta an optimal approach to this celestial
body.

Both Rosetta's navigation cameras and the OSIRIS (Optical, Spectroscopic,
and Infrared Remote Imaging System) imaging system will be used to track
Steins.

"For the first three weeks of the campaign, however, only the powerful eyes
of OSIRIS will actually be able to spot the asteroid, which will look only
like a dot in the sky," said Andrea Accomazzo, Rosetta Spacecraft Operations
Manager at ESA's European Space Operations Centre (ESOC), Darmstadt,
Germany.

"Starting 11 days before closest approach, as the distance with Steins
decreases, the two Rosetta navigation cameras will finally be able to see
and track the asteroid, too," he added.

For the first three weeks of the campaign, Rosetta will image Steins twice a
week and then, starting on 25 August, it will take images daily until 4
September.

The Steins orbital information gathered during the tracking campaign will be
used to adjust Rosetta's trajectory for the 5 September fly-by. "We will
already be able to use the first data set for the trajectory correction
manoeuvre planned for mid-August," said Sylvain Lodiot, from the Rosetta
Flight Control Team at ESOC.

"As Rosetta's distance from Steins decreases, the precision of the
measurements for Steins' orbit will increase even further, allowing us the
best possible trajectory corrections later on before closest approach,
especially in early September."

OSIRIS to obtain Steins' 'light curves'
 
Rita Schulz, Rosetta Project Scientist based at ESA's European Space
Research and Technology Centre (ESTEC), Noordwijk, the Netherlands,
explained that this is the first time in the Rosetta mission that the OSIRIS
scientific instrument is being used for tracking purposes.

"But OSIRIS will also take this opportunity to obtain 'light curves' of
Steins. Light curves tell us how the asteroid brightness varies with time,
providing us with additional preparatory information about the asteroid,
such as better knowledge of its shape and rotation characteristics," she
said.

The optical navigation campaign follows a series of active check-outs of
Rosetta's scientific instrumentation, which lasted from 5 July to 3 August
this year. A mission milestone for Rosetta, these activities also verified
the instruments' readiness for the fly-by observations, and allowed on-board
software modifications to be implemented for several of them.

For more information:
 
Gerhard Schwehm, ESA Rosetta Mission Manager
Email: Gerhard.Schwehm @ esa.int

Rita Schulz, ESA Rosetta Project Scientist
Email: Rita.Schulz @ esa.int

Andrea Accomazzo, ESA Rosetta Spacecraft Operations Manager
Email: Andrea.Accomazzo @ esa.int

[NOTE: Images and weblinks supporting this release are available at
http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEMF0B8N9JF_index_1.html ]


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Wed Aug  6 12:35:34 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 09:35:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Phoenix Mars Team Opens Window on Scientific
	Process
Message-ID: <200808061635.JAA27566@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2008-155

Phoenix Mars Team Opens Window on Scientific Process
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
August 05, 2008

Phoenix Mars mission scientists spoke today on research in progress
concerning an ongoing investigation of perchlorate salts detected in
soil analyzed by the wet chemistry laboratory aboard NASA's Phoenix Lander.

"Finding perchlorates is neither good nor bad for life, but it does make
us reassess how we think about life on Mars," said Michael Hecht of
NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., lead scientist for
the Microscopy, Electrochemistry and Conductivity Analyzer (MECA), the
instrument that includes the wet chemistry laboratory.

If confirmed, the result is exciting, Hecht said, "because different
types of perchlorate salts have interesting properties that may bear on
the way things work on Mars if -- and that's a big 'if ' -- the results
from our two teaspoons of soil are representative of all of Mars, or at
least a significant portion of the planet."

The Phoenix team had wanted to check the finding with another lander
instrument, the Thermal and Evolved-Gas Analyzer (TEGA), which heats
soil and analyzes gases driven off. But as that TEGA experiment was
underway last week, speculative news reports surfaced claiming the team
was holding back a major finding regarding habitability on Mars.

"The Phoenix project has decided to take an unusual step" in talking
about the research when its scientists are only about half-way through
the data collection phase and have not yet had time to complete data
analysis or perform needed laboratory work, said Phoenix principal
investigator Peter Smith of the University of Arizona, Tucson.
Scientists are still at the stage where they are examining multiple
hypotheses, given evidence that the soil contains perchlorate.

"We decided to show the public science in action because of the extreme
interest in the Phoenix mission, which is searching for a habitable
environment on the northern plains of Mars," Smith added. "Right now, we
don't know whether finding perchlorate is good news or bad news for
possible life on Mars."

Perchlorate is an ion, or charged particle, that consists of an atom of
chlorine surrounded by four oxygen atoms. It is an oxidant, that is, it
can release oxygen, but it is not a powerful one. Perchlorates are found
naturally on Earth at such places as Chile's hyper-arid Atacama Desert.
The compounds are quite stable and do not destroy organic material under
normal circumstances. Some microorganisms on Earth are fueled by
processes that involve perchlorates, and some plants concentrate the
substance. Perchlorates are also used in rocket fuel and fireworks.

Perchlorate was discovered with a multi-use sensor that detects
perchlorate, nitrate and other ions. The MECA team saw the perchlorate
signal in a sample taken from the Dodo-Goldilocks trench on June 25, or
Sol 30, or the 30th Martian day of the mission after landing, and again
in another sample taken from the Snow White trench on July 6, or Sol 41.

When TEGA heated a sample of soil dug from the Dodo-Goldilocks trench on
Sol 25 to high temperature, it detected an oxygen release, said TEGA
lead scientist William Boynton of the University of Arizona. Perchlorate
could be one of several possible sources of this oxygen, he said.

Late last week, when TEGA analyzed another sample, this one from the
Snow White trench, the TEGA team looked for chlorine gas. The instrument
detected none.

"Had we seen it, the identification of perchlorate would be absolutely
clear, but in this run we did not see any chlorine gas. We may have been
analyzing a perchlorate salt that doesn't release chlorine gas upon
heating," Boynton said. "There's nothing in the TEGA data that
contradicts MECA's finding of perchlorates."

As the Phoenix team continues its investigation of the artic soil, the
TEGA instrument will attempt to validate the perchlorate discovery and
determine its concentration and properties.

More information on Phoenix is at http://www.nasa.gov/phoenix.

The Phoenix mission is led by Smith with project management at JPL, and
development partnership at Lockheed Martin, located in Denver.
International contributions come from the Canadian Space Agency; the
University of Neuchatel, Switzerland; the universities of Copenhagen and
Aarhus in Denmark; the Max Planck Institute in Germany; and the Finnish
Meteorological Institute. The California Institute of Technology in
Pasadena manages JPL for NASA.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Media contacts: Veronica McGregor/Guy Webster 818-354-5011
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
veronica.mcgregor at jpl.nasa.gov, guy.webster at jpl.nasa.gov

Dwayne Brown 202-358-1726
NASA Headquarters, Washington
dwayne.c.brown at nasa.gov

2008-155


From rsvp321 at hotmail.com  Wed Aug  6 13:44:11 2008
From: rsvp321 at hotmail.com (Pete Pete)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 13:44:11 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] How to Polish Stoney Meteorites?
In-Reply-To: <c6b.399abe30.35c8ac8c@aol.com>
References: <c6b.399abe30.35c8ac8c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY141-W32DE8CE8018958F0AB7001F87A0@phx.gbl>


Hi, Tom,

I don't think that your site is a secret http://www.meteorite.com/meteorite-gallery
;) I think it's safe to say your images are unique in this quadrant of our galaxy.
I have all your pics rotating through my "Gadgets" on my laptop MS Visa. 

Thank you for sharing your polishing methods! I see where I was going wrong - mainly my impatience.

> Is the felt pad spinning at about the same speed as the finer grit discs?

> Is the felt on top of material with some give, or on a solid backing?

> Which five grit discs are you using?

Unfortunately, the Meteorite Magazine article isn't available online, and there doesn't appear to be an online-viewing subscription.

Thanks again, and I'm sure your post will be referred to many times in the future.

Best,
Pete




> From: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com
> Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 15:03:40 -0400
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] How to Polish Stoney Meteorites?
> To: rsvp321 at hotmail.com
> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>
> Hi Pete,
>
> I am frequently polishing samples for incident light microscope work. I
> often examine meteorites at 1600X and the results are cool! This requires a
> high polish. If you haven't seen my micrographs they are at
> http://www.meteorite.com/meteorite-gallery/
>
> The most frequent mistake is to polish to fast. Previous rougher grits leave
> deep cracks and tend to pluck out crystal fragments. Each polish step must
> be given time to cut through the micro damage caused by the last step. It may
> look good with a loupe but get it on a scope at 400X+ and you will see. I use
> a six step process with 5 diamond grit disks and finish with a 1/4 micron
> Diamond slurry on a felt pad. This final step makes all the difference. You
> will notice it on a scope and it also gives that high polish "wet look" that
> really enhances a hand sample.
>
> When I say "to fast" I am not talking about platter speed but rather the
> time spent at the wheel. I bring music and sometimes a magazine (never a book
> I don't want damaged). Even on small 20-40mm samples I may spent a half hour
> on one of the finer grit levels. The rough grind takes only a few seconds
> but the fine grit is time consuming.
>
> I am sure you can get a beautiful hand sample finish with less time than
> what is need for scope work.
>
> The August 2006 Meteorite Magazine had an article (From the Strewn Fields)
> by Martin Horejsi. He came out to my place and we put in many hours polishing
> some of his historical meteorites. (He has an awesome collection!) He
> wrote a cool article describing the process. I don't know if Meteorite articles
> are available on line.
>
> Tom
>
> In a message dated 8/4/2008 12:22:26 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
> rsvp321 at hotmail.com writes:
>
>
>
> Greetings, fellow Meteoriteheads,
>
> Here is a topic rarely discussed on the List, but one that I think many of
> us could benefit from.
> The only references I find on the web are for polishing irons.
>
> I have been trying to mechanically polish some of my stones and I just can't
> get the same glassy finish which I see on some of my purchased samples, or
> even close to what I have done by hand with 1500 grit wet paper as the
> finishing stage.
>
> I am using four diamond polishing discs: 100, 600, 1600, and 3000 grit,
> using distilled water for lubrication.
>
> After I cut the stones open they are quite smooth, and I only use the 100 to
> get rid of the small nub when it breaks off at the end, or the most visibly
> non-level surfaces, if necessary.
>
> I hold the stones on the remaining three discs for about five minutes each -
> when it feels like there is no more abrasion taking place.
> The finished product is a glassy-smooth surface to the touch, but without
> the glassy-smooth, shiny appearance.
> Under the microscope I can see very fine scratches from the discs, which I
> don't see when I polish by hand.
>
>
> A while ago, someone (I think our Dean Bessey) once made mention of a rule
> of thumb for mechanical polishing as, "grind fast, polish slow". (I hope I'm
> not recalling this backwards!)
>
>
> My questions are; 1. How slow? I don't expect an RPM answer, but would it
> be the same relative speed that the hand would be moving, if the (final) disc
> was stationary?
>
> 2. Am I just being impatient, and it takes a lot more than five minutes at
> each stage, even though there doesn't appear to be polishing taking place?
> How long should each stage realistically take?
>
> 3. Is there another finishing step after the diamond discs?
>
> 4. Is there too much of a leap between the grits I have?
>
> 5. Is there such a thing as too much liquid lubrication which would reduce
> the desired grinding effect from the discs?
>
> For the sake of argument, let's use NWA 869 as the meteorite to polish.
>
> Kind regards,
> Pete
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Wed Aug  6 16:20:31 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 13:20:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] 1st IAA Planetary Defense Conference: Protecting
	Earth from Asteroids
Message-ID: <200808062020.NAA05615@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.congrex.nl/09c04/

1st IAA Planetary Defense Conference:
Protecting Earth from Asteroids

27 - 30 April 2009

Granada, Spain

The International Academy of Astronautics will hold its first conference on 
protecting our planet from impacts by asteroids and comets the week of 
April 27, 2009 in Granada, Spain. The 1st IAA Planetary Defense Conference: 
Protecting Earth from Asteroids, co-sponsored by the European Space Agency, 
is the follow-on to two previous planetary defense conferences held in 2004 
in Los Angeles and 2007 in Washington, D.C. Details on the 2004 and 2007 
conferences are at www.planetarydefense.info

The 2009 meeting will gather worldwide experts on detecting and tracking 
objects that might be hazardous to our planet together with those who work 
on detailed characterisation of these objects, those working on deflecting 
a threatening object should one be detected and those with an interest in 
the nature of impact disasters as well as covering political, legal and 
policy issues that must be considered as part of an overall mitigation 
strategy.

A particular focus of the conference will be the foreseen encounter with 
Apophis, a 300-meter asteroid that is predicted to pass within 40,000 km 
of Earth in 2029 and has a current probability of impacting our planet 
in 2036 of 1 in 45000.

The conference will also be aimed at promoting multidisciplinary work on 
the subject in the years to come. Special emphasis will be given to 
involving students and young researchers from diffent fields, who could 
find on this topic -a better understanding on NEO and the risk they could 
involve- a point of encounter.

At present, there are about 900 asteroids and comets that are designated 
Potentially Hazardous Objects (PHOs), objects that could eventually 
threaten Earth. Ground-based observations are increasing this number by 
more than 600 per year. Experts believe that there could be as many as 
20,000 PHO objects larger than 140 meters.

The most recent significant impact occurred in Siberia, Russia, in 1908 
when an object estimated to be between 30 and 50 meters in diameter 
entered the atmosphere and exploded. The blast levelled and ignited over 
2000 square kilometres of forest.

Researchers have discovered evidence that a larger object exploded over 
Canada 18,900 years ago and that this event caused massive fires in 
North America that caused a 10-degree drop in the average temperature 
in the Northern Hemisphere for 1000 years.

Asteroids and comets are among our closest neighbours, they form part of 
our nearest environment in the Solar System. However we still have a 
great deal to learn about them. We have now some of the technologies 
that might be needed to prevent these objects from hitting the Earth, 
but what would actually be required to be sure a threatening object 
can be tackled? And will we see it coming? The conference will help 
answer these questions.

From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Wed Aug  6 16:29:12 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 13:29:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - August 6, 2008
Message-ID: <200808062029.NAA06608@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES
August 6, 2008

o Deposits in Electris
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009029_1430

o Valley West of Ganges Chasma 
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009011_1705

o Layered Deposits within Unnamed Crater in Arabia Terra 
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_008982_1965

o Dark Lava Flow in Tharsis
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_008710_1710


All of the HiRISE images are archived here:

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/

Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is 
online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is 
managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division 
of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA 
Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed 
Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor 
and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the 
University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies 
Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument.

From p.marmet at sunrise.ch  Wed Aug  6 18:25:11 2008
From: p.marmet at sunrise.ch (Peter Marmet)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 00:25:11 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Meteorite Sale Page Update
Message-ID: <87F746C7-E39E-44A4-868E-DB1926478A0C@sunrise.ch>

Hello All,

I just added a few new meteorites to my sale pages.

Please have a look:

Chondrites:   http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/id1.html

Carbonaceous chondrites:   http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/id43.html

Achondrites:   http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/id41.html

Museum pieces:
http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/id26.html
http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/id25.html

Thank you,
Peter

Peter Marmet
Bern, Switzerland
IMCA #2747
p.marmet at mysunrise.ch
http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/


From mlblood at cox.net  Wed Aug  6 20:35:28 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:35:28 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] "New" Hammer (Ad)
In-Reply-To: <200808062029.NAA06608@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <C4BF9160.18BFE%mlblood@cox.net>

There is a surprise "New" Hammer which is available for 48 hrs
at 20% off to all List members. You can see it by scrolling down to
The date of the fall (Janyary 3,1970) at:

http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Hammers.html

        Happy Hunting! Michael 



From jan at meteorieten.com  Wed Aug  6 21:44:23 2008
From: jan at meteorieten.com (Jan Bartels)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 03:44:23 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [meteorite-list]  [AD] Crazy offer...
Message-ID: <64897.85.145.6.103.1218073463.squirrel@webmail.uniserver.nl>

Listoids....

A few weeks ago I had this add hoping all of the below specimens would
sell for one price of 6500 dollars. This offer still stands but you also
from now on can make an offer on each specimen.
Please no "how much you want for it" e-mails. I got to many of these, just
make me an offer.

Freshest Allende individual 230 grams.

Benguerir 722 grams. Complete (broken, two pieces)Picked up right after
touchdown.

Cape York etched slice 553 grams.

Gao most beautifull oriented specimen 105 grams.

Pictures here:
Cape York
http://pic70.picturetrail.com/VOL1850/8117688/20105271/325868468.jpg

Allende:
http://pic70.picturetrail.com/VOL1850/8117688/20105271/325868452.jpg
http://pic70.picturetrail.com/VOL1850/8117688/20105271/325868440.jpg
http://pic70.picturetrail.com/VOL1850/8117688/20105271/325868410.jpg

Gao:
http://pic70.picturetrail.com/VOL1850/8117688/20105271/325868291.jpg
http://pic70.picturetrail.com/VOL1850/8117688/20105271/325868301.jpg
http://pic70.picturetrail.com/VOL1850/8117688/20105271/325868314.jpg

Benguerir:
http://pic70.picturetrail.com/VOL1850/8117688/20105271/325868329.jpg
http://pic70.picturetrail.com/VOL1850/8117688/20105271/325868352.jpg

Contact only off list please.
Paypal only.

Happy bidding all...
Jan Bartels
Heavenly Bodies Meteorites
Holland
www.heavenlybodies.nl


From paul at meteorite.com  Thu Aug  7 01:17:19 2008
From: paul at meteorite.com (Paul Harris)
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:17:19 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] August Issue of Meteorite-Times Now Up
Message-ID: <489A855F.1030206@meteorite.com>

Dear List Members,

The August issue of Meteorite-Times is now up.
http://www.meteorite-times.com/

A huge thank you to all of you who contributed!

Enjoy,

Paul and Jim


From cynapse at charter.net  Thu Aug  7 01:41:40 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 01:41:40 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] When the mine is in the seventh house...
In-Reply-To: <1876473393.1217875214662.JavaMail.wbs51@mspvp520>
References: <1876473393.1217875214662.JavaMail.wbs51@mspvp520>
Message-ID: <1j2l941k8ull8brknhrqurl7n8k2ln1ptg@4ax.com>

http://www.kentucky.com/181/story/481210.html

Mining the sky might soon fuel rockets in space
By Andy Mead
amead at herald-leader.com

PLEASANT HILL ? When people gather here to talk about mining, it's usually coal
mining. This week, the discussion is out of this world.

The 18 people attending the ?Asteroid Mining ?X' Seminar? at Shaker Village are
discussing extracting natural resources from the thousands of little
planet-ettes found in our solar system.

No kidding.

Getting to an asteroid, mining it, and getting back, would be the (relatively)
easy part, the participants said.

?The technology is here. The issue is how can you make it profitable,? said
Neville Marzwell, who is manager of Advanced Concepts & Technology Innovations,
at the NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory.

The discussion Tuesday ranged from estimates of how many billions of dollars
worth of platinum could come from a single asteroid, to setting up low earth
orbit stations that would use hydrogen or oxygen extracted from asteroids to add
fuel to rockets after they had escaped Earth's gravity.

There also were plenty of questions. Who would finance such unorthodox ventures?
Who owns asteroids? If a company went prospecting and found a particularly
valuable asteroid, how would it keep away claim-jumpers? What would be the role
of government? Would the lead be taken by the United States? The Chinese?

The primary organizer of the conference is the Kentucky Science and Technology
Corp., a non-profit that takes pride in looking at things from different and
innovative angles. The seminar began Monday and concludes Wednesday.

Kris Kimel, KSTC president, said the purpose of the seminar was ?to bring
together some really bright people? to explore making asteroid mining feasible.

Besides Marzwell, the group includes John S. Lewis, author of Mining the Sky and
professor emeritus at the University of Arizona's Lunar and Planetary
Laboratory; Jeffrey Manber, former president of Mir-Corp, which tried to
commercialize the old Russian space station, and Brad Blair, a Colorado engineer
whose e-mail handle is ?planetminer.?

Blair talked about mining a particular asteroid, called 99942 Apophis, which
just might collide with Earth in 2036. Maybe a large chunk could be taken from
the asteroid for mining, he said, and the rest moved far, far away from us.

Lewis, a leader in the movement to use asteroids to benefit humans, said that
with scientists sending spacecraft beyond Pluto, reaching an asteroid shouldn't
be much of a problem.

?We're doing intercontinental flights; surely we can operate a bus to the
airport,? he said.

Left to be decided is what will be the initial mining project -- the foot in the
door. With the right combination of factors ? perhaps a private company selling
asteroid-derived fuel to the government rockets in space ? mining asteroids
could be a reality in as little as four years.

?The first chance we had to go to an asteroid and make a profit was in the
1970s,? Lewis said. ?We're way, way, way behind.?

No matter how much catch-up there is to do, Lewis said, the project shouldn't be
dominated by the government.

?You can imagine that if the Wright brothers had sold out to the U.S.
government, we probably would still be flying on commercial biplanes owned by
the government,? he said. ?And we would be paying $10,000 a flight, and it would
take several days to get from coast to coast.?

From drtanuki at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  7 07:33:22 2008
From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 04:33:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD* Impact Craters of Asia new webpage
Message-ID: <299870.13545.qm@web53207.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Dear List,
  I have created a new webpage on my website, Impact Craters of Asia.  Again it uses Google Earth as a basis of display; sorry some of the images are not very good; they are the best Google supplies.  I have also added a couple of "potential Xinjiang impact craters" that I located several years ago (at the bottom of the webpage).
  Got something that is a good potential?  I can post it on this webpage IF it is truely a potential impact crater and with you permission.
   
  http://meteoritesjapan.com/asiacraters.aspx


www.meteoritesjapan.com

www.insekijapan.com

  Any comments or corrections appreciated.  Best Always, Dirk Ross...Tokyo

From nwa482 at comcast.net  Thu Aug  7 07:56:58 2008
From: nwa482 at comcast.net (Jim Strope)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 07:56:58 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Ebay Auctions ending
Message-ID: <000401c8f884$b34dc8d0$0202a8c0@DJQVK441>

Good Morning All........

I have auctions ending tonight, ebay ID catchafallingstar.com.  ALL started
just at 99  Cents!!!

FULL RECAP:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZcatchafallingstar.com

In addition, Marshall Bendelac is having trouble posting to the list and 
asked me to forward a link to his auctions.  There is some great offerings 
here:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZticksandleetchesQQfrppZ50QQfsopZ32QQfsooZ2QQrdZ0

Thanks for looking ................

Jim Strope
421 Fourth Street
Glen Dale, WV  26038

http://www.catchafallingstar.com



From cynapse at charter.net  Thu Aug  7 11:00:24 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 11:00:24 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Antarctic meteorite search (and I choke on this
	word) "webinar"
In-Reply-To: <299870.13545.qm@web53207.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <299870.13545.qm@web53207.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1b3m941hdrpi6u8k1jrop3sscbhfmri0vt@4ax.com>

http://dawn.jpl.nasa.gov/science/webcast.asp

From mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com  Thu Aug  7 12:04:13 2008
From: mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com (mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 16:04:13 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite order scam
Message-ID: <1294339985-1218125056-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-412609444-@bxe173.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Dealers beware of someone asking for several iron meteorites. They are wanting the seller to meet someone who will pick up the shipment. They are asking you charge an extra 1000 to their credit card which you will give to the shipper. If you do a Google search, you will find this is a common scam. You will get hit with a chargeback and be out the merchandise.

Matt Morgan
----------------------
Matt Morgan
Mile High Meteorites
http://www.mhmeteorites.com
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From cynapse at charter.net  Thu Aug  7 12:59:11 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 12:59:11 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite order scam
In-Reply-To: <1294339985-1218125056-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-412609444-@bxe173.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <1294339985-1218125056-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-412609444-@bxe173.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <jeam949gml10lc0na5kd4i7v7igd6k72ir@4ax.com>

On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 16:04:13 +0000, you wrote:

>Dealers beware of someone asking for several iron meteorites. They are wanting the seller to meet someone who will pick up the shipment. They are asking you charge an extra 1000 to their credit card which you will give to the shipper. If you do a Google search, you will find this is a common scam. You will get hit with a chargeback and be out the merchandise.

Oh, have some fun with 'em!

http://www.419eater.com/html/letters.htm

From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  7 15:30:50 2008
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 12:30:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Igenta and online MAPS down?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.47.1218038448.33972.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <745741.74867.qm@web58415.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi Listees!

Did anyone else get an email notice from Igenta that the online version of the MAPS is no longer being
offered by Igenta services?

I got an email saying they are no longer serving the journal, but will continue serving other journals.  It made
no mention of who is going to provide the service now.

As a member of the MS, I get a paper copy of the journal (which I greatly enjoy!), but it was nice having
online access from my laptop.  It was a pleasant distraction to sit and read abstracts for hours while I
was in the waiting room at the hospital a few weeks ago.  I'd like to continue getting this service.

Does anyone know if the online version is now defunct, or is this just a switchover in providers?

Regards and clear skies,

MikeG

.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
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> Today's Topics:
> 
>    1. It's Episode 5 of Astrocast.tv! (Greg Redfern)
>    2. Re: AD* new Africa impact crater page and
> a	new?	crater?
>       (Alexander Seidel)
>    3. Re: AD* new Africa impact crater page and a
> new?	crater?
>       (Jason Utas)
>    4. Re: AD* new Africa impact crater page and
> a	new?	crater?
>       (Alexander Seidel)
>    5. My own website opened (Ma Lan)
>    6. The Tunguska Mystery--100 Years Later (article from
> June 2008
>       issue of Scientific American) (Mal Bishop)
>    7. Re: AD* new Africa impact crater page and a
> new?	crater?
>       (m42protosun at aol.com)
>    8. Re: AD: Great Big Sale - Mistake (Eric Wichman)
>    9. Re: AD* new Africa impact crater page
> and	anew?	crater?
>       (Meteoriteshow)
>   10. Re: AD* new Africa impact crater page and a
> new?	crater?
>       (drtanuki)
>   11. Huge Ebay sale! Over $16, 000 in killer meteorites!
> (Mike Miller)
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 12:41:19 -0400
> From: "Greg Redfern"
> <gredfern at earthlink.net>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] It's Episode 5 of
> Astrocast.tv!
> To: <gredfern at earthlink.net>
> Message-ID:
> <007801c8f587$c5c98e90$6600a8c0 at gregufeopu010a>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Hello,
> 
>   Please tune in to the latest episode of Astrocast.tv:
> http://astrocast.tv/
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Greg Redfern
> NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador
> http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html
> WHAT'S UP?: THE SPACE PLACE
> http://www.wtopnews.com/?sid=600113&nid=421
> ASTROCAST
> http://astrocast.tv/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 19:37:01 +0200
> From: "Alexander Seidel" <gsac at gmx.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD* new Africa impact crater
> page and a
> 	new?	crater?
> To: Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>,
> drtanuki at yahoo.com,
> 	meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Message-ID: <20080805173701.266660 at gmx.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Well, I?m not quite sure whether this would really be
> "a nice place to visit", Mike, as you call it - I
> mean in real life under actual circumstances. The territory
> of Western Sahara is contested between Morocco and Polisario
> Front, and long before any convincing proof that this is a
> crater of meteoritic origin, some manmade origin of military
> character might and should be taken into closer
> consideration first.
> 
> Alex
> Berlin/Germany
> 
> 
> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> > Datum: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 07:56:48 -0700 (PDT)
> > Von: Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> > An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com,
> drtanuki at yahoo.com
> > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] AD* new Africa impact
> crater page and a new?	crater?
> 
> > WOW, dirk, that is great work, it is amazing to see
> all those craters, and
> > the new one is very interesting? It is right on the
> beach, would be a nice
> > place to visit!
> > Mike
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Tue, 8/5/08, drtanuki
> <drtanuki at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > From: drtanuki <drtanuki at yahoo.com>
> > > Subject: [meteorite-list] AD* new Africa impact
> crater page and a new?
> > crater?
> > > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 5:49 AM
> > > Dear list,
> > >   I have completed a page on impact craters of
> Africa with
> > > images from Google Earth. 
> > > 
> > > http://meteoritesjapan.com/africacraters.aspx
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  At the very bottom of the page is a newly?
> discovered
> > > crater?  Origin of the crater is unknown.  Does
> anyone have
> > > any information about this feature?
> > > 
> > > Info:
> > > Western Sahara, Africa
> > > 28?25' N, 129?38' E
> > > Diameter 35m
> > > 
> > > Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo
> > > ______________________________________________
> > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
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> > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > >
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 11:15:00 -0700
> From: "Jason Utas" <meteoritekid at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD* new Africa impact crater
> page and a
> 	new?	crater?
> To: Meteorite-list
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Message-ID:
> 	<93aaac890808051115m37f6bca8x1f60ed989ed992f at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> Hello Alex, All,
> 
> Well, first-off, the power needed to make a 35m crater...I
> don't think
> conventional weapons would do it.
> 
> Secondly, I did some sleuthing and managed to find this:
> 
> http://www.gearthhacks.com/dlfile24600/African-Meteor-Crater?.htm
> 
> Third, when I plug in the coordinates available on
> Dirk's site, I get
> an island just south of Japan....I couldn't find the
> crater by trying
> to read the coordinates in the screenshot - too difficult.
> Anyone know where it really is?  Dirk?
> 
> Regards,
> Jason
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Alexander Seidel
> <gsac at gmx.net> wrote:
> > Well, I?m not quite sure whether this would really be
> "a nice place to visit", Mike, as you call it - I
> mean in real life under actual circumstances. The territory
> of Western Sahara is contested between Morocco and Polisario
> Front, and long before any convincing proof that this is a
> crater of meteoritic origin, some manmade origin of military
> character might and should be taken into closer
> consideration first.
> >
> > Alex
> > Berlin/Germany
> >
> >
> > -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> >> Datum: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 07:56:48 -0700 (PDT)
> >> Von: Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> >> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com,
> drtanuki at yahoo.com
> >> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] AD* new Africa
> impact crater page and a new?    crater?
> >
> >> WOW, dirk, that is great work, it is amazing to
> see all those craters, and
> >> the new one is very interesting? It is right on
> the beach, would be a nice
> >> place to visit!
> >> Mike
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Tue, 8/5/08, drtanuki
> <drtanuki at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > From: drtanuki <drtanuki at yahoo.com>
> >> > Subject: [meteorite-list] AD* new Africa
> impact crater page and a new?
> >> crater?
> >> > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >> > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 5:49 AM
> >> > Dear list,
> >> >   I have completed a page on impact craters
> of Africa with
> >> > images from Google Earth.
> >> >
> >> > http://meteoritesjapan.com/africacraters.aspx
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >  At the very bottom of the page is a newly?
> discovered
> >> > crater?  Origin of the crater is unknown. 
> Does anyone have
> >> > any information about this feature?
> >> >
> >> > Info:
> >> > Western Sahara, Africa
> >> > 28?25' N, 129?38' E
> >> > Diameter 35m
> >> >
> >> > Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo
> >> >
> ______________________________________________
> >> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> >> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> >> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >> >
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >> ______________________________________________
> >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> >> Meteorite-list mailing list
> >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >>
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:24:24 +0200
> From: "Alexander Seidel" <gsac at gmx.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD* new Africa impact crater
> page and a
> 	new?	crater?
> To: "Jason Utas" <meteoritekid at gmail.com>,
> 	meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Message-ID: <20080805182424.232060 at gmx.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Ok, ok - hi Dirk, so this is "your" crater! :-)
> Well, this changes my argument!
> Thank you, Jason.
> 
> Alex
> Berlin/Germany
> 
> 
> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> > Datum: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 11:15:00 -0700
> > Von: "Jason Utas"
> <meteoritekid at gmail.com>
> > An: Meteorite-list
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] AD* new Africa impact
> crater page and a new?	crater?
> 
> > Hello Alex, All,
> > 
> > Well, first-off, the power needed to make a 35m
> crater...I don't think
> > conventional weapons would do it.
> > 
> > Secondly, I did some sleuthing and managed to find
> this:
> > 
> >
> http://www.gearthhacks.com/dlfile24600/African-Meteor-Crater?.htm
> > 
> > Third, when I plug in the coordinates available on
> Dirk's site, I get
> > an island just south of Japan....I couldn't find
> the crater by trying
> > to read the coordinates in the screenshot - too
> difficult.
> > Anyone know where it really is?  Dirk?
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Jason
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Alexander Seidel
> <gsac at gmx.net> wrote:
> > > Well, I?m not quite sure whether this would
> really be "a nice place to
> > visit", Mike, as you call it - I mean in real
> life under actual
> > circumstances. The territory of Western Sahara is
> contested between Morocco and
> > Polisario Front, and long before any convincing proof
> that this is a crater of
> > meteoritic origin, some manmade origin of military
> character might and should
> > be taken into closer consideration first.
> > >
> > > Alex
> > > Berlin/Germany
> > >
> > >
> > > -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> > >> Datum: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 07:56:48 -0700 (PDT)
> > >> Von: Michael Farmer
> <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> > >> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com,
> drtanuki at yahoo.com
> > >> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] AD* new Africa
> impact crater page and a
> > new?    crater?
> > >
> > >> WOW, dirk, that is great work, it is amazing
> to see all those craters,
> > and
> > >> the new one is very interesting? It is right
> on the beach, would be a
> > nice
> > >> place to visit!
> > >> Mike
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --- On Tue, 8/5/08, drtanuki
> <drtanuki at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > From: drtanuki
> <drtanuki at yahoo.com>
> > >> > Subject: [meteorite-list] AD* new Africa
> impact crater page and a
> > new?
> > >> crater?
> > >> > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > >> > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 5:49 AM
> > >> > Dear list,
> > >> >   I have completed a page on impact
> craters of Africa with
> > >> > images from Google Earth.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> http://meteoritesjapan.com/africacraters.aspx
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >  At the very bottom of the page is a
> newly? discovered
> > >> > crater?  Origin of the crater is
> unknown.  Does anyone have
> > >> > any information about this feature?
> > >> >
> > >> > Info:
> > >> > Western Sahara, Africa
> > >> > 28?25' N, 129?38' E
> > >> > Diameter 35m
> > >> >
> > >> > Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo
> > >> >
> ______________________________________________
> > >> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > >> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > >> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > >> >
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> > >>
> ______________________________________________
> > >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > >> Meteorite-list mailing list
> > >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > >>
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> > > ______________________________________________
> > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > >
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> > >
> > ______________________________________________
> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 11:50:38 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Ma Lan <chinaren76 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] My own website opened
> To: Meteortie List
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Message-ID:
> <527667.58502.qm at web52707.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> Hello Listees,
> 
> Thanks for many list-members' help, my own website now
> is opened. See here Plz,
> 
> Http://www.malanmeteorites.com
> 
> or
> 
> Http://www.chinameteorites.com
> 
> Simply just as it is, my main interests will be focused on
> 1) Chinese newest fall or recovery; 2) Chinese tektites. I
> will add more stuff when i have more spare time.
> 
> Everyone is welcomed. And many thanks in advance for
> anyone's any suggestion.
> 
> Best wishes to all,
> Ma Lan
> Beijing China
> 
> 
>       
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:08:30 -0400
> From: Mal Bishop <magbish3 at lowcountry.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] The Tunguska Mystery--100 Years
> Later
> 	(article from June 2008 issue of Scientific American)
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Message-ID:
> <20080805190829.794951BF511 at smtp0.av-mx.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii";
> format=flowed
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Not sure if anyone posted this particular link awhile back
> around the 
> anniversary of the Tunguska Event, but here's a fairly
> long
> article on SciAm's website from there June 2008 issue
> prepared by our 
> friends from the University of Bologna 
> (  http://www-th.bo.infn.it/tunguska/  ),
> Dr.'s Giuseppe Longo, Luca Gasperini, and Enrico
> Bonatti:
> 
> http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=the-tunguska-mystery-100-years-later&sc=WR_20080701
> 
> some more articles pertaining to Tunguska:
> 
> http://www.sciam.com/search/index.cfm?q=tunguska&submit.x=0&submit.y=0&submit=submit
> 
> Some may find something of interest.  If this has
> previously been 
> posted, apologizes.
> 
> Mal
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:48:37 -0400
> From: m42protosun at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD* new Africa impact crater
> page and a
> 	new?	crater?
> To: drtanuki at yahoo.com
> Cc: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Message-ID:
> <8CAC553C474E297-10A4-10D3 at webmail-nc20.sysops.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1";
> format=flowed
> 
> Hello Dirk and all list members to whom it may concern,
> on my nightly hunt for inpact structures I have found the
> following 
> candidates in Mongolia.
> 1.  46?40'57.79"N, 102?37'33.29"E  14/7
> km complex
> 2.  44?53'38.60"N, 98?23'50.64"E    1.0
> km
> 3.  46?11'35.44"N, 109? 6'53.56"E   0.6
> km
> 4,  44?15'29.26"N, 109?20'59.64"E   3.5
> km
> 5.  44?18'51.08"N, 108? 5'34.69"E   2.0
> km
> 
> Please try to find and give me response
> 
> Uwe
> 
> 
> -----Urspr?ngliche Mitteilung-----
> Von: drtanuki <drtanuki at yahoo.com>
> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Verschickt: Di., 5. Aug. 2008, 13:49
> Thema: [meteorite-list] AD* new Africa impact crater page
> and a new? 
> crater?
> 
> 
> 
> Dear list,
>    I have completed a page on impact craters of Africa with
> images from 
> Google
> Earth.
> 
> http://meteoritesjapan.com/africacraters.aspx
> 
> 
> 
>   At the very bottom of the page is a newly? discovered
> crater?  Origin 
> of the
> crater is unknown.  Does anyone have any information about
> this feature?
> 
> Info:
> Western Sahara, Africa
> 28?25' N, 129?38' E
> Diameter 35m
> 
> Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> 
> 
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:02:40 -0700
> From: Eric Wichman <eric at meteoritewatch.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Great Big Sale - Mistake
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Message-ID: <4898BFF0.80203 at meteoritewatch.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> As I was moving stuff around I made a 5g mistake in the
> weight of the 
> Bassikounou. It's actually 415 grams... Stupid me!
> Sorry for the 
> misprint, I simply forgot to double check my weight before
> I listed it.
> 
> So to make things all better I've dropped the price
> from $1499 to only 
> $1299! I know 5 grams isn't worth a $200 drop in price
> on such a nice 
> piece ;), but I found another piece I "NEED" and
> "NEED" to move the 
> Bassikounou NOW! My loss is you gain on this one.
> 
> Also, All reasonable offers will be considered on this
> gorgeous piece.
> 
> Ebay Auction: 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/420g-BASSIKOUNOU-CHONDRITE-METEORITE-BEAUTIFUL-CRUST_W0QQitemZ250277503801
> 
> 
> 
> Scroll to the bottom of this page to see the Bassikounou: 
> http://www.meteoritesusa.com/wholesale-meteorites.htm
> 
> I'll ship ASAP!
> 
> Eric
> 
> You can call me at: 904-236-5394 or 909-697-6577 if you
> have any questions.
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 23:58:58 -0000
> From: "Meteoriteshow"
> <meteoriteshow at free.fr>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD* new Africa impact crater
> page and
> 	anew?	crater?
> To:
> <drtanuki at yahoo.com>,	<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Message-ID: <001901c8f757$3ab58850$0100a8c0 at T42>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed;
> charset="iso-8859-1";
> 	reply-type=response
> 
> Hi Dirk,
> 
> Many thanks for this very interesting page, Dirk. I
> appreciate to see the 
> Bosumtwi crater in Ghana, where i have the chance to go
> whenever i like 
> since i moved to Ghana. A beautiful and peaceful lake,
> where i like to go 
> and spend a week-end from time to time, and one of the
> youngest (if not THE 
> youngest?) impact crater at the surface of the Earth!
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Frederic Beroud
> www.meteoriteshow.com
> IMCA #2491
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "drtanuki" <drtanuki at yahoo.com>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 7:49 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] AD* new Africa impact crater page
> and a new?
> crater?
> 
> 
> Dear list,
>   I have completed a page on impact craters of Africa with
> images from
> Google Earth.
> 
> http://meteoritesjapan.com/africacraters.aspx
> 
> 
> 
>  At the very bottom of the page is a newly? discovered
> crater?  Origin of
> the crater is unknown.  Does anyone have any information
> about this feature?
> 
> Info:
> Western Sahara, Africa
> 28?25' N, 129?38' E
> Diameter 35m
> 
> Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo
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> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 17:53:52 -0700 (PDT)
> From: drtanuki <drtanuki at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD* new Africa impact crater
> page and a
> 	new?	crater?
> To: Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com>,
> 	meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Message-ID:
> <662998.36123.qm at web53209.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> 
> Hi Jason,
>   Thank you for your checking.  Unfortunately, at 4am in
> the morning when I finished the page and added the last
> entry somehow the wrong coordinates were entered.
> 
> The webpage has been corrected to reflect the correct
> coordinates:
> 
> 21?21'34.57 N, 17? 01' 33.66 W
> 
>   The diameter is about 35m  and is in a not-so-friendly
> part of the world.
> 
> Dirk Ross...Tokyo
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Wed, 8/6/08, Jason Utas
> <meteoritekid at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD* new Africa impact
> crater page and a new? crater?
> > To: "Meteorite-list"
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 3:15 AM
> > Hello Alex, All,
> > 
> > Well, first-off, the power needed to make a 35m
> crater...I
> > don't think
> > conventional weapons would do it.
> > 
> > Secondly, I did some sleuthing and managed to find
> this:
> > 
> >
> http://www.gearthhacks.com/dlfile24600/African-Meteor-Crater?.htm
> > 
> > Third, when I plug in the coordinates available on
> > Dirk's site, I get
> > an island just south of Japan....I couldn't find
> the
> > crater by trying
> > to read the coordinates in the screenshot - too
> difficult.
> > Anyone know where it really is?  Dirk?
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Jason
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Alexander Seidel
> > <gsac at gmx.net> wrote:
> > > Well, I?m not quite sure whether this would
> really be
> > "a nice place to visit", Mike, as you call
> it - I
> > mean in real life under actual circumstances. The
> territory
> > of Western Sahara is contested between Morocco and
> Polisario
> > Front, and long before any convincing proof that this
> is a
> > crater of meteoritic origin, some manmade origin of
> military
> > character might and should be taken into closer
> > consideration first.
> > >
> > > Alex
> > > Berlin/Germany
> > >
> > >
> > > -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> > >> Datum: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 07:56:48 -0700 (PDT)
> > >> Von: Michael Farmer
> <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> > >> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com,
> > drtanuki at yahoo.com
> > >> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] AD* new Africa
> > impact crater page and a new?    crater?
> > >
> > >> WOW, dirk, that is great work, it is amazing
> to
> > see all those craters, and
> > >> the new one is very interesting? It is right
> on
> > the beach, would be a nice
> > >> place to visit!
> > >> Mike
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --- On Tue, 8/5/08, drtanuki
> > <drtanuki at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > From: drtanuki
> <drtanuki at yahoo.com>
> > >> > Subject: [meteorite-list] AD* new Africa
> > impact crater page and a new?
> > >> crater?
> > >> > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > >> > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 5:49 AM
> > >> > Dear list,
> > >> >   I have completed a page on impact
> craters
> > of Africa with
> > >> > images from Google Earth.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> http://meteoritesjapan.com/africacraters.aspx
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >  At the very bottom of the page is a
> newly?
> > discovered
> > >> > crater?  Origin of the crater is
> unknown. 
> > Does anyone have
> > >> > any information about this feature?
> > >> >
> > >> > Info:
> > >> > Western Sahara, Africa
> > >> > 28?25' N, 129?38' E
> > >> > Diameter 35m
> > >> >
> > >> > Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo
> > >> >
> > ______________________________________________
> > >> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > >> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > >> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > >> >
> >
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> > >>
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> > >>
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> 
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 19:17:31 -0700
> From: "Mike Miller"
> <meteoritefinder at gmail.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Huge Ebay sale! Over $16, 000 in
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From clp at alumni.caltech.edu  Thu Aug  7 15:45:07 2008
From: clp at alumni.caltech.edu (Chris Peterson)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 13:45:07 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Igenta and online MAPS down?
References: <745741.74867.qm@web58415.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1ad501c8f8c6$1e77a630$0a01a8c0@bellatrix>

You should have received an email a while back (I got it on June 26) letting 
you know that Ingenta would no longer be the carrier of electronic copies of 
MAPS, and that the journal is now available at 
http://digitalcommons.library.arizona.edu/. This email should also have 
included a username and one-time password so you could connect. If you 
didn't get that, you should send an email to somebody at meteoritics.org.

I'm not actually sure what the username and password are for, since the 
journal seems to be accessible without it.

Chris

*****************************************
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Gilmer" <michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 1:30 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Igenta and online MAPS down?


> Hi Listees!
>
> Did anyone else get an email notice from Igenta that the online version of 
> the MAPS is no longer being
> offered by Igenta services?
>
> I got an email saying they are no longer serving the journal, but will 
> continue serving other journals.  It made
> no mention of who is going to provide the service now.
>
> As a member of the MS, I get a paper copy of the journal (which I greatly 
> enjoy!), but it was nice having
> online access from my laptop.  It was a pleasant distraction to sit and 
> read abstracts for hours while I
> was in the waiting room at the hospital a few weeks ago.  I'd like to 
> continue getting this service.
>
> Does anyone know if the online version is now defunct, or is this just a 
> switchover in providers?
>
> Regards and clear skies,
>
> MikeG


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Thu Aug  7 16:27:18 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 13:27:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rovers Update - July 17-31, 2008
Message-ID: <200808072027.NAA23857@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html

SPIRIT UPDATE:  With Batteries Charged, Spirit is Ready for More Science
- sol 1621-1627, July 25-31, 2008:

Spirit has fully recovered from a recent rundown in battery power.
Energy has improved to levels not seen since sol (Martian day) 1604
(July 7, 2008). The hit in battery energy was primarily the result of
data transmissions taking place later in the day, when less solar energy
was available.

During the past week, rover planners eliminated the late communications
sessions. Spirit is not scheduled to have another one until sol 1636
(Aug. 9, 2008). To mitigate the impact that one will have on power,
rover planners plan to shorten the duration of data transmission from 20
minutes to only 10 minutes. This will allow sufficient time to get new
instructions on board the rover while minimizing battery drain.

A transmitter problem thwarted data transmission on sol 1625 (July 29,
2008). The uplink from Earth was to have loaded activity plans and
maintenance instructions for sols 1626, 1627, 1628 and 1629 (July
30-Aug. 2, 2008). The sequences already on board Spirit were designed
with built-in contingency plans to handle just such an event. As a
result, while Spirit continues the "runout" portion of the earlier
master sequence, rover operators will send a new set of commands for
sols 1630, 1631 and 1632 (Aug. 3-5, 2008) on sol 1629 (Aug. 2, 2008).

Spirit remains healthy, with all subsystems performing as expected as of
sol 1626.

Sol-by-sol summary

In addition to using the panoramic camera to make daily measurements of
dust-related changes in visibility, Spirit completed the following
activities:

Sol 1621 (July 25, 2008): Spirit recharged the batteries.

Sol 1622: Spirit received instructions from Earth via the rover's
high-gain antenna and relayed data to NASA's Odyssey orbiter via the
rover's UHF antenna.

Sol 1623: Spirit acquired images of sand formations with the rear
hazard-avoidance and navigation cameras. The rover took six, time-lapse,
movie frames in search of clouds with the navigation camera, as well as
images of the sky (called "sky flats") for calibration purposes.

Sol 1624: Spirit recharged the batteries.

Sol 1625: Spirit took spot images of the sky for calibration purposes
with the panoramic camera and acquired movie frames in search of clouds
with the navigation camera.

Sol 1626: Spirit completed a horizon survey with the panoramic camera
and relayed data to Odyssey for transmission to Earth.

Sol 1627 (July 31, 2008): Spirit recharged the batteries.

Odometry:

As of sol 1626 (July 30, 2008), Spirit's total odometry remained at
7,528.0 meters (4.7 miles).

------------------------------------------------------------------------

OPPORTUNITY UPDATE:  Opportunity Fights Uphill Battle - sol 1593-1599,
July 17-23, 2008:

"Victoria Crater" continues to challenge Mars rover drivers as they try
to find a location where Opportunity can do scientific studies of rocks
near the "Cape Verde" cliff face. They have been trying to drive the
rover to a location nicknamed "Nevada" after a rock shaped somewhat like
the state of Nevada. Getting there, however, has been challenging.

After attempting unsuccessfully to drive the rover on steep slopes that
caused the wheels to slip, they are aiming for a new location. They have
identified a large flagstone to the left of Nevada that offers solid
footing and a low amount of tilt. They hope to drive the rover there,
re-evaluate the terrain, and re-assess whether it is possible to reach
Nevada.

They are also working on a campaign to have Opportunity document
different styles of weathering on local rocks. The rover, meanwhile,
continues to measure argon gas in the Martian atmosphere and make other
atmospheric observations.

Opportunity remains healthy, with all subsystems performing as expected
as of the rover's 1,599th Martian day, or sol (July 23, 2008), of
exploration. Solar energy on the vehicle has been averaging just under
360 watt-hours (100 watt-hours is the amount of energy needed to light a
100-watt bulb for one hour).

Sol-by-sol summary:

In addition to making daily assessments of atmospheric dust based on the
darkness of the sky as viewed by the panoramic camera and relaying data
to NASA's Odyssey orbiter for transmission to Earth, Opportunity
completed the following activities:

Sol 1593 (July 17, 2008): Opportunity drove and took post-drive images
of the surrounding terrain with the hazard-avoidance and navigation
cameras. After communicating with Odyssey, the rover went into a deep
sleep.

Sol 1594: Opportunity spent 4 hours and 15 minutes integrating
measurements of atmospheric argon with the alpha-particle X-ray
spectrometer. The rover went into a mini-deep sleep.

Sol 1595: Opportunity took full-color images, using all 13 filters of
the panoramic camera, of rock exposures dubbed "Mawson," "Murchison,"
"Mackay," and "King." After sending data to to Odyssey, the rover went
into a deep sleep.

Sol 1596: Opportunity monitored dust on the rover mast, drove, and took
post-drive images with the hazard-avoidance and navigation cameras.
After the day's activities, the rover went into a deep sleep.

Sol 1597: Opportunity took full-color images, using all 13 color filters
of the panoramic camera, of rock exposures nicknamed "Playfair" and
"Eugene_Smith." After relaying data to Earth, Opportunity went into a
deep sleep.

Sol 1598: In the morning, Opportunity took four freeze-frame images with
the navigation camera for a movie to document potential clouds.
Following a short drive, Opportunity took images with the
hazard-avoidance and navigation cameras. After sending data to Odyssey,
the rover measured atmospheric argon with the alpha-particle X-ray
spectrometer.

Sol 1599 (July 23, 2008): Opportunity took more full-color,
panoramic-camera images of Mackay and Mawson. Plans for the following
morning called for Opportunity to take full-color images of Murchison.

Odometry:

As of sol 1598 (July 22, 2008), Opportunity's total odometry was
11,725.96 meters (7.29 miles).



From paseclipse at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  7 18:31:54 2008
From: paseclipse at yahoo.com (Del Waterbury)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 15:31:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Antarctic meteorite search (and I choke on
	this word) "webinar"
In-Reply-To: <1b3m941hdrpi6u8k1jrop3sscbhfmri0vt@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <81493.71889.qm@web51301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Any ideas where Dr. McFadden is giving this presentation? Could it be at Cal Tech or JPL?

Del


--- On Thu, 8/7/08, Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net> wrote:

> From: Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Antarctic meteorite search (and I choke on this word) "webinar"
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 8:00 AM
> http://dawn.jpl.nasa.gov/science/webcast.asp
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From meteoritemall at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  7 20:38:21 2008
From: meteoritemall at yahoo.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 17:38:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad : Glorieta Mountain, Canyon Diablo,
	and GMT Metal Detector for sale.
Message-ID: <717341.75248.qm@web32504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

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From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Thu Aug  7 22:46:13 2008
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:46:13 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] English Names of the Martian Moons
References: <BLU117-W5844E4F9EEA89543D6EA2CD920@phx.gbl><C49FAF62.18192%mlblood@cox.net><brol745erapc7ff1mrpcvtj9qj043eb6o1@4ax.com>
	<003601c8e57d$d4e577a0$7eb066e0$@kashuba@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <00c801c8f900$ecb10700$f34ce146@ATARIENGINE>

Hi, John, Darren, Larry, List,

    I doubt if anyone much remembers this, but here goes.
Does anybody remember, back on July 14th:

Darren Garrison wrote:
> http://planetarynames.wr.usgs.gov/append7.html#DwarfPlanets

Then, John Kashuba wrote:
> Off the subject, but it looks like they have crossed
> up the meaning of the names of the two Mars moons.

Then, Larry Lebofsky wrote:
> Good catch, John. Yes, I think that is backwards.
> Phobos as in Phobia.

    So, I wrote to the USGS Astrogeology Team that maintains
the IAU list of astronomical names of bodies and their English
translations, opining that they might have gotten the moons' names
backwards. They replied, "We see inconsistencies in the sources,
and the resolution is not clear" and asked for any information
I might have, so I wrote this and send it to them:

THE ENGLISH NAMES
OF THE MARTIAN MOONS

    The meaning of Phobos is easily found in any
good dictionary that gives the etymological origin
of words like phobia and phobic. It has been clearly
accepted into English as the root for terms denoting
some aspect of Fear, and such long usage firmly
establishes the English translation of Phobos as
Fear. Sort of QED. But Deimos...?

    Aphrodite gave birth to three children while
married to Hephaestos -- Phobos, Deimos, and
Harmonium -- but the actual father was Ares, and
that was the cause of a French-farce-like confrontation
(Odyssey. viii, 266-367), often cited as proof of
the disreputable nature of the Greek gods, or merely
good comedy...  Hephaestos catches the illicit lovers,
in the act, in a net and exposes them to the rest
of the Gods. (So if you should ever discover a third
Martian Moon, you know what to name it, but I'm
betting poor little Harmonium never gets a Moon
named for him, as he disappears without mention
from Greek myth after his birth. The Greeks were
not big on Harmony.)

    The inevitable Wikipedia article on Deimos:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deimos_(mythology)
says "In Greek mythology, Deimos (?????? - "dread")
was the personification of dread. He was the son of
Ares and Aphrodite. He, his brother Phobos and the
goddess Enyo accompanied Ares into battle, as
well as his father's attendants, Trembling, Fear,
Dread, and Panic. His Roman equivalent was
Formido or Metus. Asaph Hall, who discovered the
moons of Mars, named one Deimos, and the other
Phobos."

    That is not exactly true; Hall named them Deimus
and Phobus. (See below).

http://www.theoi.com/Olympios/AresAttendants.html
translates Deimos and Phobos as Terror and Fear, and
http://www.theoi.com/Daimon/Deimos.html
shows that English translators have used a huge variety
of English words to translate both terms, so if you go
by prior nineteenth century English translations of Phobos
and Deimos, you could name them almost any way you
wanted to. "Panic" is used for both Phobos and Deimos,
so is "Fear," and so is "Rout."

    The current Brittanica (online):
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/156107/Deimos#tab=active~checked%2Citems~checked&title=Deimos%20--%20Britannica%20Online%20Encyclopedia
"...even his [Ares'] parents, however, were not fond
of him (Iliad v, 889 ff.). Nonetheless, he was accompanied
in battle, by his sister Eris (Strife) and his sons (by
Aphrodite) Phobos and Deimos (Panic and Rout).
Also associated with him were two lesser war deities:
Enyalius, who is virtually identical with Ares himself,
and Enyo, a female counterpart." Brittanica is the sole
source of these translations that I can find, and I do
not think they are trustworthy.

    However, the 11th edition of the Brittanica (1910-11,
a time much nearer to the time of Hall's naming of the
moons) gives Panic and Fear for the meanings of
Deimos and Phobos, in two places, quoted here:
http://www.jrank.org/api/search/v2?key=a43435df3b26393e298fde728f8b98c54d8cfd34&q=deimos&commit=Search

    The standard English Classic texts are the Loeb Library.
The translator of the Loeb "Iliad" was Augustus T. Murray
(1866-1940). "Professor of Greek at Stanford University for
forty years from 1892, produced his Loeb edition of the
Odyssey in 1919; the Iliad followed a few years later. No
more faithful translation of Homer was ever made, and its
elegance matched its fidelity," or so they say. He translated
Phobos and Deimos as Terror and Rout.

    There are two contenders for the best modern English
translation of the Iliad, Lattimore's (1951) and Fitzgerald's
(1974). Lattimore's is considered the more "literal" version
and he translates Phobos and Deimos as Fear and Terror.

    And so it goes; everybody does it differently. The sources
ARE inconsistent. However, all these translators are dealing
with the English names for two exceedingly minor characters
in Ancient Greek literature, daimons hardly mentioned,
and we are dealing with an astronomical name, and if things
go well with the Russian sample return mission, something
humanity could have taken a bite out of by 2009.

    Looking through dozens of astronomy websites and a
mountain of astronomy books, old and new, one finds
various translations of Deimos as Terror, Panic, Dread,
and Phobos is fairly universally translated as Fear, but
there are a very few that go with the Brittanica's Phobos
and Deimos as Panic and Rout."

    I found no reference to "Flight" until I stumbled
onto the fifth chapter of William Sheehan's excellent
book on the astronomical history of Martian observation,
now online (I have it here somewhere, in deadtree format),
"The Planet Mars: A History of Observation and Discovery"
http://www.uapress.arizona.edu/onlinebks/mars/chap05.htm

    Sheehan gives the quote from the Illiad as: "He spake,
and summoned Fear and Flight to yoke his steeds." It turns out
that Sheehan is quoting Asaph Hall himself on the discovery.
Here's Mr. Hall:

    "Since there is but little need of names for these satellites,
I have delayed making a selection, but to avoid confusion
I have chosen the following names: Deimus (sic) for the outer
satellite, Phobus (sic) for the inner satellite. These names were
suggested by Mr. Madan of Eton, England. They occur in
Book XV of the Iliad, line 119, where Ares is preparing to
descend to the Earth to avenge the death of his son.  Bryant
translates as follows: 'He spoke, and summoned Fear and Flight
to yoke His steeds, and put his glorious armor on.' "
http://adsabs.harvard.edu//full/seri/AN.../0092//0000031.000.html

    That the naming order of the satellites in Hall's note is Deimos,
then Phobos, which is the order in which he discovered them,
the order of their luminosity, and the order of their distance from
Mars, is a fact unconnected to the fact that the passage in Homer
as translated by Bryant names them in the order Phobos, then
Deimos, the order that they occur in the "Iliad," not the other way
around.  There is no doubt that Bryant meant Phobos (Fear) and
Deimos (Flight), NOT the other way around, and since Hall is
offering Bryant as his source for the names, the order given in
the USGS website is reversed from the discoverer's own name
order as he gave it.

    It's Backward.

    It may be that Bryant's translations should be "affixed" to
the Moons as it was those words that their discoverer Hall
offered up at the time, but not in the reversed order given in:
http://planetarynames.wr.usgs.gov/append7.html

    Bryant is, of course, William Cullen Bryant, the American
poet. Bryant lived from 1794 to 1878, and he was a newspaper
man. He went to Williams College for one year before reading
the law and proceeding to a legal career. He was the editor-in-chief
(and part owner) of the New York Evening-Post for 50 years,
not principally a Greek scholar, but "a man of letters." You can
read (and/or download) his translation of the Iliad here:
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&id=N5H73sYXDxYC&dq=bryant+iliad&printsec=frontcover&source=web&ots=1g2Cwlu8Po&sig=iVgVPXWxDMcNp8LcfXi1D6WmIGU&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result
(Bryant died just months after Hall announced the discovery.)

    Interestingly, the USGS Astrogeology Team's OWN
website has only one link on its Phobos and Deimos page,
one that points to the SEDS Nineplanets website for information
on Phobos and Deimos, where Phobos is translated as Fear
and Deimos is translated Panic. Guess they haven't gotten the
word yet...
http://astrogeology.usgs.gov/SolarSystem/Mars/Deimos/
http://astrogeology.usgs.gov/SolarSystem/Mars/Phobos/

    I searched through astronomy books back to the 1940's and
found only a parade of Fear and Dread, Fear and Terror, Fear and
Panic, astronomers taking note of the older meanings from older
books, and so on. The Bryantian "Flight" is quite rare and hardly
ever mentioned, despite the fact that Hall introduced the Moons
to us under those names.

    I believe that Bryant's names are an application of poetic
license and that the translations (which can be multiple) should
be: Phobos (Gr. for fear) and Deimos (Gr. for dread or terror).
"Flight" I reject because of the Greek "phuge" (cognitive with
the Latin "fugo"). If the Greeks meant "Flight," they would
have used it instead. Greek, unlike English, is not a language
with many generally similar terms associated with a meaning.
In Greek, meanings are specific and once named decisively,
no other word is wasted on a thing; Greek meaning is precise.

    I suspect that Bryant liked the alliteration he found by using
"Fear and Flight." Bryant's younger contemporary, Longfellow,
was more popular and made heavy use of euphonious language,
with alliteration and any other gimmick he could apply to produce
a melodic metrical result (ever read Hiawatha?). Bryant may have
been emulating him, or at least trying to compete with him.

    Why then, do I omit "Panic"?

    The term panic had a very specific meaning to the Greeks;
it refers to a nameless fear induced by the god Pan (Not Ares,
of which Mars is the Latin equivalent, and not because of any
rational fear of harm in war). An example:
    Pausanias, Description of Greece 10. 23. 7 (trans. Jones)
(Greek travelogue C2nd A.D.) : "During the night there fell
on them a panic. For causeless terrors are said to come from
the god Pan."
http://www.theoi.com/Georgikos/Pan.html

    Typically, a "panic" was when one would find oneself alone
at high noon in an utterly wild place, quite uninhabited and far
from other men, and be striken by a nameless terror for no
apparent reason, "Pan-ic," and run away. The Greeks would
find the assignment of the English word "panic," derived from
"panikon deima" (Pan-caused Dread), back on Deimos (Dread)
to be a kind of repetition (Panic being a species of Dread).

    If it were necessary to settle on one translation only, I would
think: Phobos (Fear) and Deimos (Dread) would be the truest
English equivalents. "Terror" is a more general term (and hence
less Greek-like), but "Dread" is a very particular kind of emotion,
a very precise hairs-on-the-back-of-the-neck word.

    On the other hand, if you consider that it is more proper to
keep the English translations of the Martian Moons' names that
the discoverer himself had in his mind when he took Mr. Madan's
suggestion and supplied the quote from Bryant, then let us have
Fear and Flight.

    But please, not backward.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    I got a reply from the USGS Astrogeology Team today
on the order of the assignment of the names on the wepage.

    They wrote: "We are finding conflicting information about this,
and it doesn't seem that there is a definitive source. If we ever find
a clear answer, we'll change the page."

    So now, students, if you will skim through your textbooks for
every mention of the meaning of Phobos and Deimos, and cross
out the word "Fear" in parentheses after Phobos and write in the
word "Flight" and then cross out the word "Terror" in parentheses
after Deimos and write in the word "Fear," but PLEASE... Do it
in pencil, so we can change it back later.


Sterling K. Webb


From John at Cabassi.net  Thu Aug  7 23:08:11 2008
From: John at Cabassi.net (John.L.Cabassi)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:08:11 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] How to Polish Stoney Meteorites?
References: <c6b.399abe30.35c8ac8c@aol.com>
	<BAY141-W32DE8CE8018958F0AB7001F87A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <006901c8f904$1e517760$4564fea9@TITAN>

G'Day All
I would just like to introduce myself, new to the list, but have been 
watching it for a long, long time. My name is John Cabassi, you might have 
seen me around on forums, I go under "Johnno", I'm Australian, but residing 
in the States presently, but enough about me and more about Tom.  Great post 
on polishing. I'd like to see that in a more detailed explanation, maybe on 
your site.

Cheers
Johnno


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pete Pete" <rsvp321 at hotmail.com>
To: <starsandscopes at aol.com>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] How to Polish Stoney Meteorites?


>
> Hi, Tom,
>
> I don't think that your site is a secret 
> http://www.meteorite.com/meteorite-gallery
> ;) I think it's safe to say your images are unique in this quadrant of our 
> galaxy.
> I have all your pics rotating through my "Gadgets" on my laptop MS Visa.
>
> Thank you for sharing your polishing methods! I see where I was going 
> wrong - mainly my impatience.
>
>> Is the felt pad spinning at about the same speed as the finer grit discs?
>
>> Is the felt on top of material with some give, or on a solid backing?
>
>> Which five grit discs are you using?
>
> Unfortunately, the Meteorite Magazine article isn't available online, and 
> there doesn't appear to be an online-viewing subscription.
>
> Thanks again, and I'm sure your post will be referred to many times in the 
> future.
>
> Best,
> Pete
>
>
>
>
>> From: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com
>> Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 15:03:40 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] How to Polish Stoney Meteorites?
>> To: rsvp321 at hotmail.com
>> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>
>> Hi Pete,
>>
>> I am frequently polishing samples for incident light microscope work. I
>> often examine meteorites at 1600X and the results are cool! This requires 
>> a
>> high polish. If you haven't seen my micrographs they are at
>> http://www.meteorite.com/meteorite-gallery/
>>
>> The most frequent mistake is to polish to fast. Previous rougher grits 
>> leave
>> deep cracks and tend to pluck out crystal fragments. Each polish step 
>> must
>> be given time to cut through the micro damage caused by the last step. It 
>> may
>> look good with a loupe but get it on a scope at 400X+ and you will see. I 
>> use
>> a six step process with 5 diamond grit disks and finish with a 1/4 micron
>> Diamond slurry on a felt pad. This final step makes all the difference. 
>> You
>> will notice it on a scope and it also gives that high polish "wet look" 
>> that
>> really enhances a hand sample.
>>
>> When I say "to fast" I am not talking about platter speed but rather the
>> time spent at the wheel. I bring music and sometimes a magazine (never a 
>> book
>> I don't want damaged). Even on small 20-40mm samples I may spent a half 
>> hour
>> on one of the finer grit levels. The rough grind takes only a few seconds
>> but the fine grit is time consuming.
>>
>> I am sure you can get a beautiful hand sample finish with less time than
>> what is need for scope work.
>>
>> The August 2006 Meteorite Magazine had an article (From the Strewn 
>> Fields)
>> by Martin Horejsi. He came out to my place and we put in many hours 
>> polishing
>> some of his historical meteorites. (He has an awesome collection!) He
>> wrote a cool article describing the process. I don't know if Meteorite 
>> articles
>> are available on line.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> In a message dated 8/4/2008 12:22:26 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
>> rsvp321 at hotmail.com writes:
>>
>>
>>
>> Greetings, fellow Meteoriteheads,
>>
>> Here is a topic rarely discussed on the List, but one that I think many 
>> of
>> us could benefit from.
>> The only references I find on the web are for polishing irons.
>>
>> I have been trying to mechanically polish some of my stones and I just 
>> can't
>> get the same glassy finish which I see on some of my purchased samples, 
>> or
>> even close to what I have done by hand with 1500 grit wet paper as the
>> finishing stage.
>>
>> I am using four diamond polishing discs: 100, 600, 1600, and 3000 grit,
>> using distilled water for lubrication.
>>
>> After I cut the stones open they are quite smooth, and I only use the 100 
>> to
>> get rid of the small nub when it breaks off at the end, or the most 
>> visibly
>> non-level surfaces, if necessary.
>>
>> I hold the stones on the remaining three discs for about five minutes 
>> each -
>> when it feels like there is no more abrasion taking place.
>> The finished product is a glassy-smooth surface to the touch, but without
>> the glassy-smooth, shiny appearance.
>> Under the microscope I can see very fine scratches from the discs, which 
>> I
>> don't see when I polish by hand.
>>
>>
>> A while ago, someone (I think our Dean Bessey) once made mention of a 
>> rule
>> of thumb for mechanical polishing as, "grind fast, polish slow". (I hope 
>> I'm
>> not recalling this backwards!)
>>
>>
>> My questions are; 1. How slow? I don't expect an RPM answer, but would it
>> be the same relative speed that the hand would be moving, if the (final) 
>> disc
>> was stationary?
>>
>> 2. Am I just being impatient, and it takes a lot more than five minutes 
>> at
>> each stage, even though there doesn't appear to be polishing taking 
>> place?
>> How long should each stage realistically take?
>>
>> 3. Is there another finishing step after the diamond discs?
>>
>> 4. Is there too much of a leap between the grits I have?
>>
>> 5. Is there such a thing as too much liquid lubrication which would 
>> reduce
>> the desired grinding effect from the discs?
>>
>> For the sake of argument, let's use NWA 869 as the meteorite to polish.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Pete
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com  Fri Aug  8 06:39:26 2008
From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com (SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 06:39:26 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 8,
	2008
Message-ID: <bef.2dfa7577.35cd7c5e@aol.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_8_2008.html  




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From meteoriteshow at free.fr  Fri Aug  8 09:34:47 2008
From: meteoriteshow at free.fr (Meteoriteshow)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 13:34:47 -0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 8,
	2008
References: <bef.2dfa7577.35cd7c5e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003e01c8f95b$872f66f0$0100a8c0@T42>

Great picture and interesting explanations.
Thanks!

Frederic Beroud
www.meteoriteshow.com
IMCA #2491

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Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 10:39 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 
8,2008


> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_8_2008.html
>
>
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From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Fri Aug  8 10:14:39 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 08 Aug 2008 14:14:39 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] RFSPicture of the Day - August 8,
	2008: Julesburg Chondrule Collision
Message-ID: <DIIE.0000009D00002F0E@paulinet.de>

Fr?d?ric wrote: "Great picture and interesting explanations. Thanks!"

Absolutely right, ... stunning, fantastic, breathtaking picture! Surely, a
dramatic moment unfolding before one's eyes: A porphyritic chondrule
fragment caught in the act of colliding and demolishing an "innocent"
barred olivine chondrule.

A.L. Graham wrote in an article about the Julesburg chondrite that
"numerous chondrules indent each other" and that "some chondrules
have been welded to adjacent silicates".

The right part of the BO chondrule looks as if it is being welded into
the adjacent, shock-darkened pyroxene laths

Reference:

Graham A.L. (1993) The Julesberg L3 meteorite (Meteoritics 28-1, 1993, 122-125).

Best wishes from the proud owner of 43.5-gram Julesburg slice (purchased from
Walter Zeitschel) and a Julesburg thin section (acquired from Mark Bostick),

Bernd


From meteoriteshow at free.fr  Fri Aug  8 12:21:31 2008
From: meteoriteshow at free.fr (Meteoriteshow)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 16:21:31 -0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - New Chondrite from the Sahara - VERY FRESH
Message-ID: <006001c8f972$d2129400$0100a8c0@T42>

Dear Listees,

I have just received a new chondrite from Morocco, which was found by nomads 
very recently in Algeria according to the seller.
10 individuals, all coming from the same fall, and i think that we are 
talking about a nice H3 chondrite. Some chips display a lot of sharply 
defined chondrules and their size is quite big for an H chondrite but at the 
same time this meteorite seems to be very rich in nickel-iron grains, 
therefore i believe it is an H chondrite and an H3.

I am sending tomorrow one of these individuals for analyses and 
classification to the University Blaise Pascal of Clermont Ferrand, France 
and hope to get some news sometime in September.

In the meantime the individuals i have are for sale at:
http://meteoriteshow.free.fr/meteoriteshow%20fra/pages%20navigation/pieces_en_vente_FB-55-08.htm

I am flying back to Ghana the day after tomorrow, on Sunday, but the 
meteorite will stay in France from where it will be shipped, should you like 
one of these beauties to come and join your collection.
But of course i will be able to answer any question you may have by e-mail 
from Ghana, when I will be there.

All the best!

Frederic Beroud
www.meteoriteshow.com
IMCA #2491

PS : any individual purchased before the classification will be sent with a 
provisional certificate and classification will be sent to buyers as soon as 
i get it 


From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Fri Aug  8 11:42:48 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 08 Aug 2008 15:42:48 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fred's new (H3?) Chondrite
Message-ID: <DIIE.0000009200002F16@paulinet.de>

Hello Folks,

I just purchased this specimen from Fred: 172.1g individual - 69 x 43 x 36 mm.
Fred thinks it may be an H3 chondrite and those many rusty stains where the
matrix is visible seem to underline the conclusion that we are dealing with an
H chondrite.

On the other hand, it is those big, grayish chondrule "packages" that make me
lean toward an L4 or LL4 classification (see my specimen photo #2) because
the last time I saw such "loose" chondrules and ones that are on the point of
popping out, was in my Bjurb?le specimen and Bjurb?le is an L/LL4 chondrite.

I may be wrong and maybe the fresh owner of the 117.4-gram individual would
like to chime in and share his impressions on her/his latest acquisition ;-)

Best,

Bernd


From bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com  Fri Aug  8 12:33:48 2008
From: bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com (mckinney trammell)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 09:33:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] ga + fl skyrox for sale
Message-ID: <808940.96952.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

due to some unforseen family situation, i am letting several rare meteorites go to for cash. included (but not limited) to: 55g SARDIS, GA 10g MILLEN, GA, 2.1gCLAXTON, GA 6.5g CLAXTON, GA, 11g GA TEKTITE, 26G BONITA SPRINGS, FL + others as needed. these are specimens that you simply will not find anywhere on the open market. there are no deals here- just ultra-rare skyrox for the specific collector. dealers not encouraged as prices are not cheap, by any means. these pieces are reserved for collectors and priced accordingly. info+$+pix- please email.


      

From bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com  Fri Aug  8 13:04:42 2008
From: bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com (mckinney trammell)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 10:04:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] ga +fl skyrox for sale
Message-ID: <690100.43877.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

thanks for the over whelming response in miutes! the sardis has just sold and i have taken a few quick pix. got those interested in the ga tektite, i will get it out of my safe and take good pix of it in a few. please RE-EMAIL if you need the pix of any mentioned, once again, thanks


      

From schoner at mybluelight.com  Fri Aug  8 13:31:41 2008
From: schoner at mybluelight.com (Steve Schoner)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 17:31:41 GMT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ruben Garcia reports: "Glorieta,
	not hunting allowed..."
Message-ID: <20080808.113141.7091.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com>

Ruben Garcia wrote:

"All hunting on private land in Glorieta is no longer permitted. Prices are getting high and will only go higher. If you don't have a Glorieta individual get one now! This is not a "scare tactic" or "hype" to sell a few pieces. Nice full slices can still be had at a decent price from Mike Miller @ http://www.meteoritefinder.com/glorieta.htm

However, there will be no more individuals coming out of the strewnfield, any hunters that try will be arrested."

Gee I wonder why?

"Taking the Hill"  "Glorieta hunts" and all the publicity on the "Treasure" out there on lands that are not only private but also historic battlefields from two wars, the Mexican and the Civil War.

Holes left uncovered, trash and bottles scattered on once pristine land.  Off road tracks criss crossing every hill and cranny... and more importantly historic relics thought to be old trash were removed from where they were found and piled elsewhere or trashed.   And what some thought to be trash was in fact an archeologist's treasure.    Whenever I encountered an artifact, I put it right back into the hole, covering as it was.   Every hole I ever dug and covered cannot be found today. 

No wonder that meteorite hunters will be arrested and might I add prosecuted. 

In the many years that I searched, I always got permission from land owners if I went onto private lands.   Now most of those landowners are gone, having sold their lands to others.  But for the most part my searches were pretty much restricted to public lands, and well off of the battlefield areas,

Blab, blab, blab...

Make as much publicity and stink as one can, trash the land... And the result is that that area and any other future meteorite fields that we might find gets shut down.

No respect for the rights of property owners; leaving the land cratered like the moon, plastic bottles that will take centuries to break down scattered everywhere...

What does Ruben and everyone expect from landowners with their high publicity meteorite hunts?

A public, and Government welcoming committee?

Steve Schoner
IMCA 4470

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From meteoritemall at yahoo.com  Fri Aug  8 14:11:30 2008
From: meteoritemall at yahoo.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 11:11:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ruben Garcia reports: "Glorieta,
	not hunting allowed..."
In-Reply-To: <20080808.113141.7091.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <91814.90623.qm@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hey Steve,

You sound upset at me, though I'm not sure why. I had full permission from land owners for all of the above - Cash and Treasures, my videos, articles etc..- The and owners even allowed me to stay in their cabin while there. Does that sound like I trashed their area? I've never hunted on Federal property, I've covered all of my holes and never taken a quad to glorieta. So who are you talking about?

Through the years we (meaning all successful hunters) have inspired others to become meteorite hunters. You inspired some yourself, including me! It happens. Did you think glorieta would be there for you and only you to hunt? 

I'm sorry it is shut down! But not for myself, I'm sorry for the land owners who got the shaft. I've spoken to them and they are not mad a me, but because of pressure from others they had to stop hunting all together. They were very good to all of us! 



Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
http://www.mr-meteorite.com
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v





      

From bookman at rmplc.co.uk  Fri Aug  8 15:05:47 2008
From: bookman at rmplc.co.uk (Eric Hutton)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 20:05:47 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteors and Meteorites an Historic Archive now
	available online
Message-ID: <000501c8f989$c47ea8d0$4001a8c0@rmwo48926801>

http://www.meteoritehistory.info/

Meteors and Meteorites an Historic Archive

Originally published as three CDs and a DVD this website provides over 9,800 
pages
of information on the subject taken from old journals and books.
Each page is presented as a "photocopy" of the original page. In the few 
places
where the information is maintained more up to date elsewhere there are 
links,
such as the UK and Ireland Meteroite page, and those to W. F. Denning.
But essentially you have the content of the CDs, minus the "magnify" option 
on each page.

Enjoy.

Eric S. Hutton 


From freequarks at gmail.com  Fri Aug  8 15:29:43 2008
From: freequarks at gmail.com (Dark Matter)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 13:29:43 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteors and Meteorites an Historic Archive now
	available online
In-Reply-To: <000501c8f989$c47ea8d0$4001a8c0@rmwo48926801>
References: <000501c8f989$c47ea8d0$4001a8c0@rmwo48926801>
Message-ID: <822da19a0808081229l29c6d935o61be23f22d35a21c@mail.gmail.com>

WOW! Really! WOW!

One of my fav's

http://www.meteoritehistory.info/WARD/WCCONT.HTM

Excellent job Eric and thank you very much!

-Martin




On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 1:05 PM, Eric Hutton <bookman at rmplc.co.uk> wrote:
> http://www.meteoritehistory.info/
>
> Meteors and Meteorites an Historic Archive
>
> Originally published as three CDs and a DVD this website provides over 9,800
> pages
> of information on the subject taken from old journals and books.
> Each page is presented as a "photocopy" of the original page. In the few
> places
> where the information is maintained more up to date elsewhere there are
> links,
> such as the UK and Ireland Meteroite page, and those to W. F. Denning.
> But essentially you have the content of the CDs, minus the "magnify" option
> on each page.
>
> Enjoy.
>
> Eric S. Hutton
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From psc2410xi at yahoo.com  Fri Aug  8 15:51:42 2008
From: psc2410xi at yahoo.com (Don Rawlings)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 12:51:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ruben Garcia reports: "Glorieta,
	not hunting allowed..."
In-Reply-To: <91814.90623.qm@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <645945.27192.qm@web59302.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

So Ruben, who do you suppose put the trash in the holes that Steve was referring to?  Who do you suppose put in the 4x4 trails Steve is referring to?  Who do you suppose the publicity hounds have been the past several years that brought all the attention to the area?  (I haven't seen Steve on TV)

Inquiring minds want to know.

Don Rawlings


--- On Fri, 8/8/08, Ruben Garcia <meteoritemall at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Ruben Garcia <meteoritemall at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ruben Garcia reports: "Glorieta, not hunting allowed..."
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, "Steve Schoner" <schoner at mybluelight.com>
> Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 2:11 PM
> Hey Steve,
> 
> You sound upset at me, though I'm not sure why. I had
> full permission from land owners for all of the above - Cash
> and Treasures, my videos, articles etc..- The and owners
> even allowed me to stay in their cabin while there. Does
> that sound like I trashed their area? I've never hunted
> on Federal property, I've covered all of my holes and
> never taken a quad to glorieta. So who are you talking
> about?
> 
> Through the years we (meaning all successful hunters) have
> inspired others to become meteorite hunters. You inspired
> some yourself, including me! It happens. Did you think
> glorieta would be there for you and only you to hunt? 
> 
> I'm sorry it is shut down! But not for myself, I'm
> sorry for the land owners who got the shaft. I've spoken
> to them and they are not mad a me, but because of pressure
> from others they had to stop hunting all together. They were
> very good to all of us! 
> 
> 
> 
> Ruben Garcia
> Phoenix, Arizona
> http://www.mr-meteorite.com
> http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com  Fri Aug  8 16:40:09 2008
From: bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com (mckinney trammell)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 13:40:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] absolute K-I-L-L-E-R portales for sale
Message-ID: <679603.94922.qm@web53212.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

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From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Aug  8 16:52:44 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 13:52:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: August 4-8, 2008
Message-ID: <200808082052.NAA16920@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES
August 4-8, 2008

o Northern Layers (Released 04 August 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080804a

o Tharsis Lavas (Released 05 August 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080805a

o Melas Chasma (Released 06 August 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080806a

o Syria Planum (Released 07 August 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080807a

o Dunes and Gullies (Released 08 August 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080808a


All of the THEMIS images are archived here:

http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html

NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission 
for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission 
Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University,
Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. 
The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State 
University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor 
for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission 
operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a 
division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. 




From meteoritemall at yahoo.com  Fri Aug  8 16:57:21 2008
From: meteoritemall at yahoo.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 13:57:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ruben Garcia reports: "Glorieta,
	not hunting allowed..."
In-Reply-To: <645945.27192.qm@web59302.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <296765.28429.qm@web32506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Don,
I don't want to and won't trash anyone - not even Steve. I like Steve!
I don't know the answers to your questions for sure as I have never personally seen a quad there. Tracks yes, quads no. 

I've never seen Steve on TV either (regarding Glorieta that is) However, a very good article written by my friend Geoff Notkin was all about Steve's Glorieta escapades. It was because of that article that many of us started looking towards Glorieta. And what about all the information Steve put out on the web regarding Glorieta?

I'm proud of my videos, articles, TV shows etc...  I won't apologize for that. All I'm saying is that many, many meteorite hunters have been there.
Some have done articles, TV shows, and the like... Including Steve. If that is the reason it was closed then ok I'm guilty, but so are many others...including Steve.

So lets not be hypocritical.

I'm done with this topic! 



Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
http://www.mr-meteorite.com
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v





      

From schoner at mybluelight.com  Fri Aug  8 18:28:32 2008
From: schoner at mybluelight.com (Steve Schoner)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 22:28:32 GMT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ruben Garcia reports: "Glorieta,
	not hunting allo	wed..."
Message-ID: <20080808.162832.11642.1@webmail11.dca.untd.com>

Ruben,

I am not mad at you or anyone in particular, however-- I am very sad at the situation as it now stands.

Now as for you and land owners... I know that there are land owners quite upset with you... 

Need I name them?

I am sure that you know who they are.

So, I leave that to your conscience.

Trashing the land with ATV's?  I think that recent photos reveals at least one that has done it rather blantantly.

Steve Schoner
IMCA 4470



-- Ruben Garcia <meteoritemall at yahoo.com> wrote:
Hey Steve,

You sound upset at me, though I'm not sure why. I had full permission from land owners for all of the above - Cash and Treasures, my videos, articles etc..- The and owners even allowed me to stay in their cabin while there. Does that sound like I trashed their area? I've never hunted on Federal property, I've covered all of my holes and never taken a quad to glorieta. So who are you talking about?

Through the years we (meaning all successful hunters) have inspired others to become meteorite hunters. You inspired some yourself, including me! It happens. Did you think glorieta would be there for you and only you to hunt? 

I'm sorry it is shut down! But not for myself, I'm sorry for the land owners who got the shaft. I've spoken to them and they are not mad a me, but because of pressure from others they had to stop hunting all together. They were very good to all of us! 



Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
http://www.mr-meteorite.com
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v





      


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From meteoritefinder at gmail.com  Fri Aug  8 19:29:22 2008
From: meteoritefinder at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 16:29:22 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ruben Garcia reports: "Glorieta,
	not hunting allo wed..."
In-Reply-To: <20080808.162832.11642.1@webmail11.dca.untd.com>
References: <20080808.162832.11642.1@webmail11.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <468bf6050808081629g673afc65if621f63587e989bc@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Steve I am guessing you are referring to me in this post

"Trashing the land with ATV's?  I think that recent photos reveals at
least one that has done it rather blantantly."

 Now if you have a little time and read my story of finding the main
mass you would know that the quad was not involved in the hunt it was
only involved in the recovery. I am sure you with your amazing ability
to hunt while hovering above the ground as to not disturb anything is
quite unique and I am sure no one but you could have harnessed the
power of a flock of spotted owls to safely fly out a 300 pound iron. I
on the other hand did use a quad to to get this 300 pounder out I was
just not smart enough to figure out another way. I rode into the area
using roads designed for cars and cut by bulldozers (little late to
worry about ruining the landscape with my quad tracks) then to within
150 yards using an old wagon trail, then the trail disapeared.

Oh yea Steve I did bury the hole and you wont find any trash in the
area either, weather it was mine or not I carry it back out with me.
So yes I have ridden a quad in the mountains north of Santa Fe New
Mexico, but I take offense that just because I was there that you
assume it was me doing the damage. Steve you have actually hunted the
Glorieta with me do you recall following me around and picking up my
empty water bottles? Or was I destroying anything with my quad when
you actually saw me there? Please keep your opinion to your self
unless you know and have seen me doing something wrong.



On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Steve Schoner <schoner at mybluelight.com> wrote:
> Ruben,
>
> I am not mad at you or anyone in particular, however-- I am very sad at the situation as it now stands.
>
> Now as for you and land owners... I know that there are land owners quite upset with you...
>
> Need I name them?
>
> I am sure that you know who they are.
>
> So, I leave that to your conscience.
>
> Trashing the land with ATV's?  I think that recent photos reveals at least one that has done it rather blantantly.
>
> Steve Schoner
> IMCA 4470
>
>
>
> -- Ruben Garcia <meteoritemall at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hey Steve,
>
> You sound upset at me, though I'm not sure why. I had full permission from land owners for all of the above - Cash and Treasures, my videos, articles etc..- The and owners even allowed me to stay in their cabin while there. Does that sound like I trashed their area? I've never hunted on Federal property, I've covered all of my holes and never taken a quad to glorieta. So who are you talking about?
>
> Through the years we (meaning all successful hunters) have inspired others to become meteorite hunters. You inspired some yourself, including me! It happens. Did you think glorieta would be there for you and only you to hunt?
>
> I'm sorry it is shut down! But not for myself, I'm sorry for the land owners who got the shaft. I've spoken to them and they are not mad a me, but because of pressure from others they had to stop hunting all together. They were very good to all of us!
>
>
>
> Ruben Garcia
> Phoenix, Arizona
> http://www.mr-meteorite.com
> http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Fri Aug  8 19:38:30 2008
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 18:38:30 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] MARTIAN MOON NAMES... AGAIN
Message-ID: <013901c8f9af$dd4181f0$f34ce146@ATARIENGINE>

Hi, Darren, John, Larry, List

This is so typical. I'm here to completely reverse my position
on the English meaning of the names of the Martian moons
that I posted yesterday. The IAU / USGS website with them:
http://planetarynames.wr.usgs.gov/append7.html
is probably correct and the best resolution of the question.

I've continued to research the question. I have discovered that
I was wrong about some things (no big surprise there). I have
the habit of shooting off my mouth about what I think I "know"
and discovering it to be mistaken. I was "sure" Iliad xv, 119
had Phobos, Deimos in that order, and... yes, wrong again.

The Iliad, Chap 15, lines 113-120,
transliterated into Romanic characters:

h?s ephat', autar Ar?s thaler? pepl?geto m?r?
chersi katapr?ness', olophuromenos d' epos ?uda:
m? nun moi nemes?set' Olumpia d?mat' echontes                       115
tisasthai phonon huios iont' epi n?as Achai?n,
ei per moi kai moira Dios pl?genti keraun?i
keisthai homou nekuessi meth' haimati kai koni?isin.
h?s phato, kai rh' hippous keleto Deimon te Phobon te
zeugnumen, autos d' ente' eduseto pamphano?nta.                      120

If the characters don't come up right in the email,
just go to:
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0133&layout=&loc=15.119
You can switch the display to the Greek characters
if you want to.

I was dead wrong. Homer gives Deimos, Phobos in that
order, which Bryant translated as Fear, Flight, in that
order, which Hall chose, in that order, to be the English
names of Deimus, Phobus, which he discovered, in that
order (despite the greater magnitude of Phobos).

SO, if the deciding criterion is the nominative intent of
the discoverer Hall, the English names on the IAU / USGS
website are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!

The question is not a definitive source, but a definitive or
deciding criterion. There are some choices:

1. The intent of the discoverer and the exercise of the
"naming right" in a case of a name of pre-IAU origin and
undisputed at the time. In this case, it would be what is
currently on the webpage.

2. The linguistic heritage of a loan-word or root in any
given language. There's no doubt English has accepted
the Greek "phobos" as a root for Fear, at this point in time.
This is unlikely to change, as we're likely to continue to
have phobias! On the other hand, "deimos" has not been
borrowed into English, so there is no obvious choice for it.
     The English phobia postdates Hall's naming. We didn't
have phobias until the psychiatric revolution of the early
twentieth century. If you didn't like standing on the edge
of a cliff or being locked in a closet, you were just a
scaredy-cat, not phobic. You were teased, not drugged,
enrolled in a support group, made "special."

3. Accepted Usage is another possible criterion. But we
see that the usage of translators of Ancient Greek is all
over the map, all of the time. But there's also the
"Accepted Professional Usage" of astronomers who,
for almost a century have been writing textbooks, the
vast majority of which have translated Phobos as
Fear and Deimos as something else! Panic, Terror,
Dread, Flight, Rout... you name it, and occasionally
re-naming Phobos, too. Doesn't seem that any of these
astronomers ever objected to what the others were
doing in the name-translation game, either. It was
essentially a free-for-all.
    The problem is that there's nothing settled here; in
both cases, the name translations can vary at will and
at any time. Nomenclature is not supposed to work
that way.

The three criteria all have advantages and disadvantages.
No. 2 is bad because it's indecisive about Deimos, so it
doesn't apply to the whole case. No. 3 is bad because
it is subject to change. In the case of adopting current
Ancient Greek-to-English translation preferences, it will
change constantly, or at least a three times a century.
In the case of "professional" usage, it is clear about
Phobos  and vague about Deimos, just like No. 2, so
it settles nothing. It was a partial free-for-all, and that
is problem. Astronomers didn't settle it. They had
their chance and didn't think it was important enough
to pin it down.

That leaves No. 1, which has a clear-cut rationale, based
on a clear-cut principle, and produces a result that is fixed.
If it is the criterion that applies, the matter of the meaning
of the names in English is done, over, permanent, will never
change, move along, there's nothing to see here...

So, I've done a complete flip-flop. They should leave the
website the way it is. They've done the right thing. If a man
persist in error long enough, he will find the truth of it.
(I'm sure somebody said that, and if not, someone should
have.)

And... that is what the IAU Nomenclature is all about, isn't it?
Settle the matter. Fix the name permanently. Stop quibbling.
Move on. The only disadvantage of No. 1 is that they will get
these quibbling emails afterwards... for years.

Now, I'm telling everybody that I told that I thought the names
were wrong that the names are probably the best choice and
why, eating many small dishes of crow along the way...

Frankly, I don't know why they don't just compose a brief,
concise paragraph that says: "The names of the moons
of Mars and the English translations of those names are
those specifically proposed by their discoverer, Asaph
Hall (1878), and as such, they have been accepted and
retained under the current IAU Nomenclature."

It's true to the extent that Hall does not stop in the
announcement with accepting the two Greek names
sent him by Mr. Madan of Eton but goes on to provide
an English translation of them (Bryant's) in what is
otherwise a very brief announcement. There were a
dozen or more extent English translations of the Iliad
from which he could have quoted, all different; he
choose THOSE translations of Phobos and Deimos.

Yes, I'm a quibbler, but I've managed to talk my way
through my problem in therapy. Now that I'm on Phobos,
I can move on to pondering the meaning of Clustril,
Drunlo, Flimnap, Limtoc, Reldresal, and Skyresh...
http://planetarynames.wr.usgs.gov/images/Phobos_comp.pdf

Hobbits on the Martian moons?



Sterling K. Webb
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From rhartman04 at earthlink.net  Fri Aug  8 20:06:00 2008
From: rhartman04 at earthlink.net (R N Hartman)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 17:06:00 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ruben Garcia reports: "Glorieta,
	not hunting allowed..."
References: <20080808.113141.7091.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <002101c8f9b3$b4c34f20$6401a8c0@DBZC5NB1>


So are we saying that all the land owners have gotten together along with 
county, state and federal authorities to form posse's?  None of that land 
has ever been public.  All of it is either private, or otherwise owned in 
part as BLM or other local, state or federal lands.  As to hunting on 
private land, meteorite hunters have always been well known to the locals, 
if not by name, by activity, and have always been seen as trespassers. So 
what has changed?  I'm sure that most of the well known hunters on the list 
are responsible people; Everyone I've ever delt with (as well as myself) in 
respect to the Glorieta field, has always obtained hunting permission from 
the land-owner.  However, there are a lot of individuals who are not 
necessarily known to the list or the IMCA, or who are just loners who sneak 
around on their own and hunt  quietly on their own. I suspect that those are 
the ones who who tend to be the irresponsible parties.  Maybe it's not such 
a good idea to advertise ones' activities to the world on Utube;  it 
attracts flies!

Ron Hartman


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Schoner" <schoner at mybluelight.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 10:31 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ruben Garcia reports: "Glorieta,not hunting 
allowed..."


> Ruben Garcia wrote:
>
> "All hunting on private land in Glorieta is no longer permitted. Prices 
> are getting high and will only go higher. If you don't have a Glorieta 
> individual get one now! This is not a "scare tactic" or "hype" to sell a 
> few pieces. Nice full slices can still be had at a decent price from Mike 
> Miller @ http://www.meteoritefinder.com/glorieta.htm
>
> However, there will be no more individuals coming out of the strewnfield, 
> any hunters that try will be arrested."
>
> Gee I wonder why?
>
> "Taking the Hill"  "Glorieta hunts" and all the publicity on the 
> "Treasure" out there on lands that are not only private but also historic 
> battlefields from two wars, the Mexican and the Civil War.
>
> Holes left uncovered, trash and bottles scattered on once pristine land. 
> Off road tracks criss crossing every hill and cranny... and more 
> importantly historic relics thought to be old trash were removed from 
> where they were found and piled elsewhere or trashed.   And what some 
> thought to be trash was in fact an archeologist's treasure.    Whenever I 
> encountered an artifact, I put it right back into the hole, covering as it 
> was.   Every hole I ever dug and covered cannot be found today.
>
> No wonder that meteorite hunters will be arrested and might I add 
> prosecuted.
>
> In the many years that I searched, I always got permission from land 
> owners if I went onto private lands.   Now most of those landowners are 
> gone, having sold their lands to others.  But for the most part my 
> searches were pretty much restricted to public lands, and well off of the 
> battlefield areas,
>
> Blab, blab, blab...
>
> Make as much publicity and stink as one can, trash the land... And the 
> result is that that area and any other future meteorite fields that we 
> might find gets shut down.
>
> No respect for the rights of property owners; leaving the land cratered 
> like the moon, plastic bottles that will take centuries to break down 
> scattered everywhere...
>
> What does Ruben and everyone expect from landowners with their high 
> publicity meteorite hunts?
>
> A public, and Government welcoming committee?
>
> Steve Schoner
> IMCA 4470
>
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From cynapse at charter.net  Fri Aug  8 22:34:35 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 22:34:35 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] A few documents
In-Reply-To: <bef.2dfa7577.35cd7c5e@aol.com>
References: <bef.2dfa7577.35cd7c5e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <eh0q94lug9bno2rsv7gs2pd9l34otbq4tv@4ax.com>

http://www.pdf-search-engine.com/meteorites-pdf.html

From cynapse at charter.net  Fri Aug  8 22:40:46 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 22:40:46 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] A few documents
In-Reply-To: <eh0q94lug9bno2rsv7gs2pd9l34otbq4tv@4ax.com>
References: <bef.2dfa7577.35cd7c5e@aol.com>
	<eh0q94lug9bno2rsv7gs2pd9l34otbq4tv@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <sr0q94l8u4sblco4b678s1kfpevk6l1mdj@4ax.com>

Reading one of the papers that is very informative on the question I brought up
a while back re: ice meteorites:

http://hyperion.cc.uregina.ca/~astro/Ice_Mets.pdf

From eric at meteoritewatch.com  Fri Aug  8 22:43:20 2008
From: eric at meteoritewatch.com (Eric Wichman)
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 19:43:20 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ruben Garcia reports: "Glorieta,
	not hunting allowed..."
In-Reply-To: <mailman.548.1218240366.89542.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
References: <mailman.548.1218240366.89542.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <489D0448.2080907@meteoritewatch.com>

OK, cut the BS and bickering and let's stop the finger pointing. I know 
and am friends with and hunted with some of the people who have hunted 
Glorieta and they just happen to be the ones who inspired me, and 
introduced me into the meteorite world.

Every time some nice hunting area gets closed down, and hunters get shut 
out, the finger pointing blame game starts. Feelings get hurt and people 
lose friends. This is petty BS and many of you guys have been friends 
for too many years to be accusing "ANYONE" of any wrongdoing. This 
happens in all areas of treasure hunting, not just the meteorite community.

We all know who hunts out there. We also know that these "famous" 
hunters are ethical and good people. It's not their fault, it's the 
buttheads that go out there unannounced, without permission, sneaking 
and peaking, and the ones who you DON'T KNOW that are trashing the 
place. This goes for any hunting area. If you owned the land that these 
things were done on you'd close it to the public too! Simple as that. It 
only takes a few bad apples in the barrel to spoil the whole bunch. It's 
a cliche, but it's said for a reason. Stop pointing fingers. Be sad 
about it yes, but stop playing the blame game. Maybe in a few years or 
sooner it will slowly open back up again.

This list is for learning about and discussing meteorites, it's not a 
public forum for blame, if you've got a beef with someone don't bring it 
out publicly here, send a freaking email.

That's all I have to say about that...

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorite Watch
Meteorites USA

From schoner at mybluelight.com  Sat Aug  9 00:41:17 2008
From: schoner at mybluelight.com (Steve Schoner)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 04:41:17 GMT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ruben Garcia reports: "Glorieta,
	not hunting allo	 wed..."
Message-ID: <20080808.224117.24739.1@webmail02.dca.untd.com>

Did I name anyone?

I know facts regarding what transpired out at Glorieta and at other sites.

I will simply say that lines were crossed that I would never have, or thought of crossing.

Wishing all meteorite hunters the best&#8230;

Steve  Schoner
IMCA #4470


-- "Mike Miller" <meteoritefinder at gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Steve I am guessing you are referring to me in this post

"Trashing the land with ATV's?  I think that recent photos reveals at
least one that has done it rather blantantly."

 Now if you have a little time and read my story of finding the main
mass you would know that the quad was not involved in the hunt it was
only involved in the recovery. I am sure you with your amazing ability
to hunt while hovering above the ground as to not disturb anything is
quite unique and I am sure no one but you could have harnessed the
power of a flock of spotted owls to safely fly out a 300 pound iron. I
on the other hand did use a quad to to get this 300 pounder out I was
just not smart enough to figure out another way. I rode into the area
using roads designed for cars and cut by bulldozers (little late to
worry about ruining the landscape with my quad tracks) then to within
150 yards using an old wagon trail, then the trail disapeared.

Oh yea Steve I did bury the hole and you wont find any trash in the
area either, weather it was mine or not I carry it back out with me.
So yes I have ridden a quad in the mountains north of Santa Fe New
Mexico, but I take offense that just because I was there that you
assume it was me doing the damage. Steve you have actually hunted the
Glorieta with me do you recall following me around and picking up my
empty water bottles? Or was I destroying anything with my quad when
you actually saw me there? Please keep your opinion to your self
unless you know and have seen me doing something wrong.



On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Steve Schoner <schoner at mybluelight.com> wrote:
> Ruben,
>
> I am not mad at you or anyone in particular, however-- I am very sad at the situation as it now stands.
>
> Now as for you and land owners... I know that there are land owners quite upset with you...
>
> Need I name them?
>
> I am sure that you know who they are.
>
> So, I leave that to your conscience.
>
> Trashing the land with ATV's?  I think that recent photos reveals at least one that has done it rather blantantly.
>
> Steve Schoner
> IMCA 4470
>
>
>
> -- Ruben Garcia <meteoritemall at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hey Steve,
>
> You sound upset at me, though I'm not sure why. I had full permission from land owners for all of the above - Cash and Treasures, my videos, articles etc..- The and owners even allowed me to stay in their cabin while there. Does that sound like I trashed their area? I've never hunted on Federal property, I've covered all of my holes and never taken a quad to glorieta. So who are you talking about?
>
> Through the years we (meaning all successful hunters) have inspired others to become meteorite hunters. You inspired some yourself, including me! It happens. Did you think glorieta would be there for you and only you to hunt?
>
> I'm sorry it is shut down! But not for myself, I'm sorry for the land owners who got the shaft. I've spoken to them and they are not mad a me, but because of pressure from others they had to stop hunting all together. They were very good to all of us!
>
>
>
> Ruben Garcia
> Phoenix, Arizona
> http://www.mr-meteorite.com
> http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________
> Have a good idea for a business but no cash?  Click here to search business funding options.
> http://thirdpartyoffers.mybluelight.com/TGL2341/fc/Ioyw6i52dVNmyia97nE0aG8PedagruJUmJ4VVq5Xr48zZAvNqmFCTi/
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-- 
Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401
www.meteoritefinder.com
 928-753-6825



From Impactika at aol.com  Sat Aug  9 02:12:55 2008
From: Impactika at aol.com (Impactika at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 02:12:55 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - more Site updates.
Message-ID: <bb8.34df2721.35ce8f67@aol.com>

Hello List Members,
 
I just (finally) finished uploaded a whole bunch of new pieces and a lot of  
pictures to my site, from Abee to Vaca Muerta, with Barwell, Holbrook, Kediri, 
 Norton County, Trenton, and a huge slice of Springer from the Monnig 
Collection  in between.  I would have been done a lot earlier, but I got rudely  
interrupted by a major thunderstorm, a lot of noise and 1.6 inches (4cm) of rain  
in one hour. Here, that is called a "gully-washer". 
 
Just have a look:   _http://www.impactika.com/Metlist.htm_ 
(http://www.impactika.com/Metlist.htm) 
 
Also, The Denver Mineral Show is Less than 5 weeks away!!!!  Who is  coming?
As usual the COMETS will organize an Auction Friday evening (Sept. 12) and  a 
Get-Together Saturday evening (Sept. 13). If you would like to enter some  
specimens in the Auction, please contact me off-list as soon as possible.  

And of course, do let me know if you have any questions.
Thanks.

Anne M.  Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
IMPACTIKA at aol.com
Vice-President of IMCA
_www.IMCA.cc_ (http://www.IMCA.cc)  
 



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From cojack at tiscali.it  Sat Aug  9 07:10:23 2008
From: cojack at tiscali.it (Francesco Moser)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 13:10:23 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ismaily Sidi Mohamed e-mail
Message-ID: <008b01c8fa10$8533e2d0$0200a8c0@FISSO>


Hello!!!
Could someone give me the e-mail address of Ismaily Sidi Mohamed??

I have 2different e-mail addresses but don't work!! 

Thanks!!!

Ciao

<><><><>
Francesco Moser
http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/
IMCA #1510 www.imca.cc




From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Sat Aug  9 08:13:44 2008
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 05:13:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 9,
	2008
Message-ID: <24534880.135531218284024684.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>


http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_9_2008.html


From psc2410xi at yahoo.com  Sat Aug  9 08:31:52 2008
From: psc2410xi at yahoo.com (Don Rawlings)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 05:31:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ruben Garcia reports: "Glorieta,
	not hunting allo  wed..."
In-Reply-To: <20080808.224117.24739.1@webmail02.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <164489.1731.qm@web59312.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Steve.........

Do you suppose anyone has gotten permission to hunt the Meteor Crater area in light of all the CD coming on to the market in the past few years?  Or maybe these are just old collections that have finally been bought from their ancestors.  Yeah, I bet that's it.

Don Rawlings


--- On Sat, 8/9/08, Steve Schoner <schoner at mybluelight.com> wrote:

> From: Steve Schoner <schoner at mybluelight.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ruben Garcia reports: "Glorieta, not hunting allo  wed..."
> To: meteoritefinder at gmail.com
> Cc: schoner at mybluelight.com, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, meteoritemall at yahoo.com
> Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 12:41 AM
> Did I name anyone?
> 
> I know facts regarding what transpired out at Glorieta and
> at other sites.
> 
> I will simply say that lines were crossed that I would
> never have, or thought of crossing.
> 
> Wishing all meteorite hunters the best&#8230;
> 
> Steve  Schoner
> IMCA #4470
> 
> 
> -- "Mike Miller"
> <meteoritefinder at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Steve I am guessing you are referring to me in this post
> 
> "Trashing the land with ATV's?  I think that
> recent photos reveals at
> least one that has done it rather blantantly."
> 
>  Now if you have a little time and read my story of finding
> the main
> mass you would know that the quad was not involved in the
> hunt it was
> only involved in the recovery. I am sure you with your
> amazing ability
> to hunt while hovering above the ground as to not disturb
> anything is
> quite unique and I am sure no one but you could have
> harnessed the
> power of a flock of spotted owls to safely fly out a 300
> pound iron. I
> on the other hand did use a quad to to get this 300 pounder
> out I was
> just not smart enough to figure out another way. I rode
> into the area
> using roads designed for cars and cut by bulldozers (little
> late to
> worry about ruining the landscape with my quad tracks) then
> to within
> 150 yards using an old wagon trail, then the trail
> disapeared.
> 
> Oh yea Steve I did bury the hole and you wont find any
> trash in the
> area either, weather it was mine or not I carry it back out
> with me.
> So yes I have ridden a quad in the mountains north of Santa
> Fe New
> Mexico, but I take offense that just because I was there
> that you
> assume it was me doing the damage. Steve you have actually
> hunted the
> Glorieta with me do you recall following me around and
> picking up my
> empty water bottles? Or was I destroying anything with my
> quad when
> you actually saw me there? Please keep your opinion to your
> self
> unless you know and have seen me doing something wrong.
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Steve Schoner
> <schoner at mybluelight.com> wrote:
> > Ruben,
> >
> > I am not mad at you or anyone in particular, however--
> I am very sad at the situation as it now stands.
> >
> > Now as for you and land owners... I know that there
> are land owners quite upset with you...
> >
> > Need I name them?
> >
> > I am sure that you know who they are.
> >
> > So, I leave that to your conscience.
> >
> > Trashing the land with ATV's?  I think that recent
> photos reveals at least one that has done it rather
> blantantly.
> >
> > Steve Schoner
> > IMCA 4470
> >
> >
> >
> > -- Ruben Garcia <meteoritemall at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Hey Steve,
> >
> > You sound upset at me, though I'm not sure why. I
> had full permission from land owners for all of the above -
> Cash and Treasures, my videos, articles etc..- The and
> owners even allowed me to stay in their cabin while there.
> Does that sound like I trashed their area? I've never
> hunted on Federal property, I've covered all of my holes
> and never taken a quad to glorieta. So who are you talking
> about?
> >
> > Through the years we (meaning all successful hunters)
> have inspired others to become meteorite hunters. You
> inspired some yourself, including me! It happens. Did you
> think glorieta would be there for you and only you to hunt?
> >
> > I'm sorry it is shut down! But not for myself,
> I'm sorry for the land owners who got the shaft.
> I've spoken to them and they are not mad a me, but
> because of pressure from others they had to stop hunting all
> together. They were very good to all of us!
> >
> >
> >
> > Ruben Garcia
> > Phoenix, Arizona
> > http://www.mr-meteorite.com
> >
> http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> ____________________________________________________________
> > Have a good idea for a business but no cash?  Click
> here to search business funding options.
> >
> http://thirdpartyoffers.mybluelight.com/TGL2341/fc/Ioyw6i52dVNmyia97nE0aG8PedagruJUmJ4VVq5Xr48zZAvNqmFCTi/
> > ______________________________________________
> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401
> www.meteoritefinder.com
>  928-753-6825
> 
> 
> ______________________________________________
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From mary.kashuba at verizon.net  Sat Aug  9 12:44:52 2008
From: mary.kashuba at verizon.net (Kashuba)
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 09:44:52 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] MARTIAN MOON NAMES... AGAIN
In-Reply-To: <013901c8f9af$dd4181f0$f34ce146@ATARIENGINE>
References: <013901c8f9af$dd4181f0$f34ce146@ATARIENGINE>
Message-ID: <000501c8fa3f$3efc87c0$bcf59740$@kashuba@verizon.net>

Sterling,

All these years my brain has recited Phobos-and-Deimos-fear-and-panic.  This
is since Saturn had three rings and Jupiter had twelve moons.  Demoting
Pluto was easy but now Deimos and Phobos, Fear and Flight?  Ouch.

Great research.  A Sterling job!

- John 

John Kashuba
Ontario, California

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Sterling
K. Webb
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 4:39 PM
To: Meteorite List
Cc: Kashuba
Subject: [meteorite-list] MARTIAN MOON NAMES... AGAIN

Hi, Darren, John, Larry, List

This is so typical. I'm here to completely reverse my position
on the English meaning of the names of the Martian moons
that I posted yesterday. The IAU / USGS website with them:
http://planetarynames.wr.usgs.gov/append7.html
is probably correct and the best resolution of the question.

I've continued to research the question. I have discovered that
I was wrong about some things (no big surprise there). I have
the habit of shooting off my mouth about what I think I "know"
and discovering it to be mistaken. I was "sure" Iliad xv, 119
had Phobos, Deimos in that order, and... yes, wrong again.

The Iliad, Chap 15, lines 113-120,
transliterated into Romanic characters:

h?s ephat', autar Ar?s thaler? pepl?geto m?r?
chersi katapr?ness', olophuromenos d' epos ?uda:
m? nun moi nemes?set' Olumpia d?mat' echontes                       115
tisasthai phonon huios iont' epi n?as Achai?n,
ei per moi kai moira Dios pl?genti keraun?i
keisthai homou nekuessi meth' haimati kai koni?isin.
h?s phato, kai rh' hippous keleto Deimon te Phobon te
zeugnumen, autos d' ente' eduseto pamphano?nta.                      120

If the characters don't come up right in the email,
just go to:
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0133
&layout=&loc=15.119
You can switch the display to the Greek characters
if you want to.

I was dead wrong. Homer gives Deimos, Phobos in that
order, which Bryant translated as Fear, Flight, in that
order, which Hall chose, in that order, to be the English
names of Deimus, Phobus, which he discovered, in that
order (despite the greater magnitude of Phobos).

SO, if the deciding criterion is the nominative intent of
the discoverer Hall, the English names on the IAU / USGS
website are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!

The question is not a definitive source, but a definitive or
deciding criterion. There are some choices:

1. The intent of the discoverer and the exercise of the
"naming right" in a case of a name of pre-IAU origin and
undisputed at the time. In this case, it would be what is
currently on the webpage.

2. The linguistic heritage of a loan-word or root in any
given language. There's no doubt English has accepted
the Greek "phobos" as a root for Fear, at this point in time.
This is unlikely to change, as we're likely to continue to
have phobias! On the other hand, "deimos" has not been
borrowed into English, so there is no obvious choice for it.
     The English phobia postdates Hall's naming. We didn't
have phobias until the psychiatric revolution of the early
twentieth century. If you didn't like standing on the edge
of a cliff or being locked in a closet, you were just a
scaredy-cat, not phobic. You were teased, not drugged,
enrolled in a support group, made "special."

3. Accepted Usage is another possible criterion. But we
see that the usage of translators of Ancient Greek is all
over the map, all of the time. But there's also the
"Accepted Professional Usage" of astronomers who,
for almost a century have been writing textbooks, the
vast majority of which have translated Phobos as
Fear and Deimos as something else! Panic, Terror,
Dread, Flight, Rout... you name it, and occasionally
re-naming Phobos, too. Doesn't seem that any of these
astronomers ever objected to what the others were
doing in the name-translation game, either. It was
essentially a free-for-all.
    The problem is that there's nothing settled here; in
both cases, the name translations can vary at will and
at any time. Nomenclature is not supposed to work
that way.

The three criteria all have advantages and disadvantages.
No. 2 is bad because it's indecisive about Deimos, so it
doesn't apply to the whole case. No. 3 is bad because
it is subject to change. In the case of adopting current
Ancient Greek-to-English translation preferences, it will
change constantly, or at least a three times a century.
In the case of "professional" usage, it is clear about
Phobos  and vague about Deimos, just like No. 2, so
it settles nothing. It was a partial free-for-all, and that
is problem. Astronomers didn't settle it. They had
their chance and didn't think it was important enough
to pin it down.

That leaves No. 1, which has a clear-cut rationale, based
on a clear-cut principle, and produces a result that is fixed.
If it is the criterion that applies, the matter of the meaning
of the names in English is done, over, permanent, will never
change, move along, there's nothing to see here...

So, I've done a complete flip-flop. They should leave the
website the way it is. They've done the right thing. If a man
persist in error long enough, he will find the truth of it.
(I'm sure somebody said that, and if not, someone should
have.)

And... that is what the IAU Nomenclature is all about, isn't it?
Settle the matter. Fix the name permanently. Stop quibbling.
Move on. The only disadvantage of No. 1 is that they will get
these quibbling emails afterwards... for years.

Now, I'm telling everybody that I told that I thought the names
were wrong that the names are probably the best choice and
why, eating many small dishes of crow along the way...

Frankly, I don't know why they don't just compose a brief,
concise paragraph that says: "The names of the moons
of Mars and the English translations of those names are
those specifically proposed by their discoverer, Asaph
Hall (1878), and as such, they have been accepted and
retained under the current IAU Nomenclature."

It's true to the extent that Hall does not stop in the
announcement with accepting the two Greek names
sent him by Mr. Madan of Eton but goes on to provide
an English translation of them (Bryant's) in what is
otherwise a very brief announcement. There were a
dozen or more extent English translations of the Iliad
from which he could have quoted, all different; he
choose THOSE translations of Phobos and Deimos.

Yes, I'm a quibbler, but I've managed to talk my way
through my problem in therapy. Now that I'm on Phobos,
I can move on to pondering the meaning of Clustril,
Drunlo, Flimnap, Limtoc, Reldresal, and Skyresh...
http://planetarynames.wr.usgs.gov/images/Phobos_comp.pdf

Hobbits on the Martian moons?



Sterling K. Webb
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From meteoritemall at yahoo.com  Sat Aug  9 12:57:03 2008
From: meteoritemall at yahoo.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 09:57:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: How well can you view this?
Message-ID: <83347.34433.qm@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



> Ruben,
> 
> Would you please forward this message for me to the list. I
> never can post.
> I have tried several e-mail addresses over the years,
> always the same thing.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Tim
 
 
   Hello List,
 
 I would like to get some information on how well this
 movie clip can be viewed and if there is any problems.
 
   http://www.meteorman.org/Mars2.htm
 
 
   Thank You,
   Tim Heitz


      

From axelsson at acc.umu.se  Sat Aug  9 14:00:44 2008
From: axelsson at acc.umu.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=F6ran_Axelsson?=)
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 20:00:44 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: How well can you view this?
In-Reply-To: <83347.34433.qm@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <83347.34433.qm@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <489DDB4C.7050800@acc.umu.se>

Works just fine on my linux (Ubuntu) laptop with firefox.

/G?ran

Ruben Garcia wrote:
>   
>> Ruben,
>>
>> Would you please forward this message for me to the list. I
>> never can post.
>> I have tried several e-mail addresses over the years,
>> always the same thing.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tim
>>     
>  
>  
>    Hello List,
>  
>  I would like to get some information on how well this
>  movie clip can be viewed and if there is any problems.
>  
>    http://www.meteorman.org/Mars2.htm
>  
>  
>    Thank You,
>    Tim Heitz
>
>
>       
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
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> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
>   


From dave.carothers at cox.net  Sat Aug  9 15:21:21 2008
From: dave.carothers at cox.net (Dave Carothers)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 15:21:21 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: How well can you view this?
In-Reply-To: <83347.34433.qm@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <FEEPJKMBNDKPAPJPKFKHIEENCBAA.dave.carothers@cox.net>

Works fine on my XP Pro laptop with Win IE.

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com]On Behalf Of Ruben
Garcia
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 12:57 PM
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: How well can you view this?




> Ruben,
> 
> Would you please forward this message for me to the list. I
> never can post.
> I have tried several e-mail addresses over the years,
> always the same thing.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Tim
 
 
   Hello List,
 
 I would like to get some information on how well this
 movie clip can be viewed and if there is any problems.
 
   http://www.meteorman.org/Mars2.htm
 
 
   Thank You,
   Tim Heitz


      
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From bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com  Sat Aug  9 15:42:08 2008
From: bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com (mckinney trammell)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 12:42:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] NICE 18g PARK FOREST SLICE +XTRAS for sale
Message-ID: <529795.65052.qm@web53209.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

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From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Sat Aug  9 15:44:19 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 09 Aug 2008 19:44:19 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Aubrites and Al Haggounia
Message-ID: <DIIE.0000008800002F2B@paulinet.de>

Hello List,

In Abstract #5309  (MAPS, Vol. 43, Supplement, 2008, July, p. A29) T.E. Bunch,
A.J. Irving et al. emphasize that the very large Al Haggounia paleo-meteorite from
southern Morocco is NOT an aubrite, but instead an anomalous EL3 chondrite as
discussed in detail on the following website:

http://www4.nau.edu/meteorite/Meteorite/Al_Haggounia.html

Cheers,

Bernd


From schoner at mybluelight.com  Sat Aug  9 17:17:48 2008
From: schoner at mybluelight.com (Steve Schoner)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 21:17:48 GMT
Subject: [meteorite-list] "Glorieta, no hunting allowed
Message-ID: <20080809.151748.4701.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com>

Don Rawlings wrote:

Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 05:31:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Don Rawlings <psc2410xi at yahoo.com>

"Steve.........

Do you suppose anyone has gotten permission to hunt the Meteor Crater area in light of all the CD coming on to the market in the past few years?  Or maybe these are just old collections that have finally been bought from their ancestors.  Yeah, I bet that's it.

Don Rawlings"

Right Don, especially all those fresh uncleaned apparently never handled specimens including some of those very large ones...  All "found" in as you say "just old collections."

Being that I live in Flagstaff, and am quite known as a meteorite collector-- strange that those old time collectors have not contacted me in the last 10 or more years.

Oh well, I suppose that some have a higher profile than me...

But...

Meteor Crater Enterprises has made it very clear to me, and I suppose others, that any caught looking for and digging up meteorites out there will be arrested.   And I tried back in 1992 to get a permit from the BLM, Meteor Crater Enterprises, and Bar-T-Bar working with Arizona State University's, Carlton Moore, UCLA's John Wasson, and even USGS's Eugene Shoemaker, and David Roddy backing me-- But to no avail.   It was for a legitimate scientific project that has been on my mind for many years.   And the scientific proposal was written by me, amended and approved by all those that backed me.

If Meteor Crater Enterprises, Bar-T-Bar, and AZ BLM won't work with me or those well known scientists who endorsed my project, then I  doubt that anyone could get a permit to collect Canyon Diablo meteorites for their personal collections, let alone for science.

Steve Schoner
IMCA #4470



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From bobadebt at ec.rr.com  Sat Aug  9 18:01:24 2008
From: bobadebt at ec.rr.com (David & Kitt Deyarmin)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 18:01:24 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Zag Pre-Sell Interest List
Message-ID: <60DFAFA74A594512B35262D15887F0EE@David>

I just received a 1750 gram Zag meteorite which I bought from Ken Regelman

I will be processing it into a rough to make a sphere for my collection and 
thought it would be a good idea to see if anyone would be interested in a 
particular part for their collection.

I plan to sell it for $3 - $5 per gram.  It is a beautiful specimen with 
lots of crust and should produce at least one super nice end cut and a 
variety of slices some of which could have a lot of crust.


So of you're looking for a piece of Zag please check out the images at the 
below link and let me know what you're interested in.

For instance -

If you would like a heavy end cut (thick)

or

A nice thin slice in the 20 gram range

or

Something else


Send an email to bobadebt at ec.rr.com  I might be able to accommodate you.

http://s131.photobucket.com/albums/p298/BobaDebt/Meteorites/Zag/


Thanks 


From STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com  Sat Aug  9 18:41:46 2008
From: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com (STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 18:41:46 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] A question about an iron fleck in NWA 2977 Lunar
Message-ID: <bdf.38563e08.35cf772a@aol.com>

Hi list,  I had a question about an iron  fleck I found in a thin section of 
NWA 2977 Lunar.  Jim Strope sent it to  me.

I plan to use this as next months Meteorite Times Micro Vision and  want to 
be accurate.

The thin is polished to 1/4 micron.  This  sometimes has the same effect as 
etching but on a much finer scale.  I have  observed it in other materials that 
get this kind of polish.

There is a  fleck of iron in this material.  In this fleck is what looks like 
micro  Widmanstatten pattern.  

Can this pattern be called  Widmanstatten?  If not, are the creation 
processes the same as with full  sized Widmanstatten?  How would it be still present 
in a lunar?  Could  the pattern survive a meteor collision with the moon and 
not be heated to the  point of destruction?

I would like to email micrographs to any one who is  interested or, even 
better, might have the answers.

The images are taken  in incident cross polarized light and I am using a 
Glan/Thompson style polarizer  that allows me near total extinction.  I pull up 
the changes in the pattern  by slight rotation of the polarizer.  The 
magnification of these images is  1600X.

Thanks,  Tom Phillips  




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From John at Cabassi.net  Sat Aug  9 19:46:05 2008
From: John at Cabassi.net (John.L.Cabassi)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 16:46:05 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] A question about an iron fleck in NWA 2977
	Lunar
References: <bdf.38563e08.35cf772a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000301c8fa7a$19a7a370$4564fea9@TITAN>

Hi Tom,
That is very interesting. Did you find anything similar in the NWA 5000, 
just curious. You can send a pic my way. I love making a fool of myself. But 
seriously, I would like to try and give some input.

Cheers
Johnno

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 3:41 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] A question about an iron fleck in NWA 2977 Lunar


> Hi list,  I had a question about an iron  fleck I found in a thin section 
> of
> NWA 2977 Lunar.  Jim Strope sent it to  me.
>
> I plan to use this as next months Meteorite Times Micro Vision and  want 
> to
> be accurate.
>
> The thin is polished to 1/4 micron.  This  sometimes has the same effect 
> as
> etching but on a much finer scale.  I have  observed it in other materials 
> that
> get this kind of polish.
>
> There is a  fleck of iron in this material.  In this fleck is what looks 
> like
> micro  Widmanstatten pattern.
>
> Can this pattern be called  Widmanstatten?  If not, are the creation
> processes the same as with full  sized Widmanstatten?  How would it be 
> still present
> in a lunar?  Could  the pattern survive a meteor collision with the moon 
> and
> not be heated to the  point of destruction?
>
> I would like to email micrographs to any one who is  interested or, even
> better, might have the answers.
>
> The images are taken  in incident cross polarized light and I am using a
> Glan/Thompson style polarizer  that allows me near total extinction.  I 
> pull up
> the changes in the pattern  by slight rotation of the polarizer.  The
> magnification of these images is  1600X.
>
> Thanks,  Tom Phillips
>
>
>
>
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From h3chondrite at cox.net  Sat Aug  9 19:58:33 2008
From: h3chondrite at cox.net (JKGwilliam)
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 16:58:33 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Follow-up: The Gary Foote Recovery Auction
Message-ID: <20080809235833.KSWQ6684.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>

Hello List Members,
I thought all/some of you might be pleased to know that Gary Foote is 
doing better overall even though he's had a bit of a setback during 
the past couple days.  CJ says that she and Gary are overwhelmed by 
the help of the many generous donors and bidders and they are very 
grateful.  I too want to thank all those who helped make a difference 
in their lives. It's events like this that help me to restore my 
faith in the human race.

Best to all,

John Gwilliam


From mdavidhardy at yahoo.com  Sat Aug  9 20:01:43 2008
From: mdavidhardy at yahoo.com (David Hardy)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 17:01:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson '09
Message-ID: <172148.22400.qm@web50206.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Does anyone have the dates for the gatherings for Tucson next year?  It's time to start making plans.

David H.


      

From h3chondrite at cox.net  Sat Aug  9 20:08:41 2008
From: h3chondrite at cox.net (JKGwilliam)
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 17:08:41 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] "Glorieta, no hunting allowed
In-Reply-To: <20080809.151748.4701.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com>
References: <20080809.151748.4701.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <20080810000855.LFQV6526.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>

I suppose we could start talking about the meteorite hunters who 
hunted on private property and tracked up the desert at Gold Basin 
and Franconia too.

Now you guys move over...I want a turn kicking that dead horse too!

John

At 02:17 PM 8/9/2008, Steve Schoner wrote:
>Don Rawlings wrote:
>
>Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 05:31:52 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Don Rawlings <psc2410xi at yahoo.com>
>
>"Steve.........
>
>Do you suppose anyone has gotten permission to hunt the Meteor 
>Crater area in light of all the CD coming on to the market in the 
>past few years?  Or maybe these are just old collections that have 
>finally been bought from their ancestors.  Yeah, I bet that's it.
>
>Don Rawlings"
>
>Right Don, especially all those fresh uncleaned apparently never 
>handled specimens including some of those very large ones...  All 
>"found" in as you say "just old collections."
>
>Being that I live in Flagstaff, and am quite known as a meteorite 
>collector-- strange that those old time collectors have not 
>contacted me in the last 10 or more years.
>
>Oh well, I suppose that some have a higher profile than me...
>
>But...
>
>Meteor Crater Enterprises has made it very clear to me, and I 
>suppose others, that any caught looking for and digging up 
>meteorites out there will be arrested.   And I tried back in 1992 to 
>get a permit from the BLM, Meteor Crater Enterprises, and Bar-T-Bar 
>working with Arizona State University's, Carlton Moore, UCLA's John 
>Wasson, and even USGS's Eugene Shoemaker, and David Roddy backing 
>me-- But to no avail.   It was for a legitimate scientific project 
>that has been on my mind for many years.   And the scientific 
>proposal was written by me, amended and approved by all those that backed me.
>
>If Meteor Crater Enterprises, Bar-T-Bar, and AZ BLM won't work with 
>me or those well known scientists who endorsed my project, then 
>I  doubt that anyone could get a permit to collect Canyon Diablo 
>meteorites for their personal collections, let alone for science.
>
>Steve Schoner
>IMCA #4470
>
>
>
>____________________________________________________________
>Click here to become certified as a medical assistant at a school near you.
>http://thirdpartyoffers.mybluelight.com/TGL2341/fc/Ioyw6i52dZQPmdCuH4IKt4LiorBlDgXKXbJkUlj02NoZQ04bnlqaVe/
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From romanj at sympatico.ca  Sat Aug  9 20:15:06 2008
From: romanj at sympatico.ca (Roman)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 20:15:06 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] A question about an iron fleck in NWA 2977
	Lunar
References: <bdf.38563e08.35cf772a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <02bb01c8fa7e$24e04540$6500a8c0@compaqsdg7ojf0>

Hi Tom

Please email your micrographs.
>From what I have read, the Widmanstatten pattern has plate sizes that change
in size due to the rate of cooling, so a 'mini' pattern might not be 
possible. But
then again, why not at a micro scale?

Good question.

Cheers,
Roman Jirasek



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 6:41 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] A question about an iron fleck in NWA 2977 Lunar


> Hi list,  I had a question about an iron  fleck I found in a thin section 
> of
> NWA 2977 Lunar.  Jim Strope sent it to  me.
>
> I plan to use this as next months Meteorite Times Micro Vision and  want 
> to
> be accurate.
>
> The thin is polished to 1/4 micron.  This  sometimes has the same effect 
> as
> etching but on a much finer scale.  I have  observed it in other materials 
> that
> get this kind of polish.
>
> There is a  fleck of iron in this material.  In this fleck is what looks 
> like
> micro  Widmanstatten pattern.
>
> Can this pattern be called  Widmanstatten?  If not, are the creation
> processes the same as with full  sized Widmanstatten?  How would it be 
> still present
> in a lunar?  Could  the pattern survive a meteor collision with the moon 
> and
> not be heated to the  point of destruction?
>
> I would like to email micrographs to any one who is  interested or, even
> better, might have the answers.
>
> The images are taken  in incident cross polarized light and I am using a
> Glan/Thompson style polarizer  that allows me near total extinction.  I 
> pull up
> the changes in the pattern  by slight rotation of the polarizer.  The
> magnification of these images is  1600X.
>
> Thanks,  Tom Phillips





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From John at Cabassi.net  Sat Aug  9 20:24:43 2008
From: John at Cabassi.net (John.L.Cabassi)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 17:24:43 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Follow-up: The Gary Foote Recovery Auction
References: <20080809235833.KSWQ6684.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>
Message-ID: <002a01c8fa7f$82ae49f0$4564fea9@TITAN>

G'Day John
That's great to hear. Kat and I appreciate the update.

Cheers
Johnno

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "JKGwilliam" <h3chondrite at cox.net>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 4:58 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Follow-up: The Gary Foote Recovery Auction


> Hello List Members,
> I thought all/some of you might be pleased to know that Gary Foote is 
> doing better overall even though he's had a bit of a setback during 
> the past couple days.  CJ says that she and Gary are overwhelmed by 
> the help of the many generous donors and bidders and they are very 
> grateful.  I too want to thank all those who helped make a difference 
> in their lives. It's events like this that help me to restore my 
> faith in the human race.
> 
> Best to all,
> 
> John Gwilliam
> 
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list

From pshugar at clearwire.net  Sat Aug  9 20:31:44 2008
From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 19:31:44 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] A question about an iron fleck in NWA 2977
	Lunar
References: <bdf.38563e08.35cf772a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001601c8fa80$794dd140$0201a8c0@portable>

I wouldn't mind a pic or two as well.
I'm not an Expert, but I've done quite a bit of
reading and who knows, maybe I'll do something
stupid and come up with something.
de Pete
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 5:41 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] A question about an iron fleck in NWA 2977 Lunar


Hi list,  I had a question about an iron  fleck I found in a thin section of
NWA 2977 Lunar.  Jim Strope sent it to  me.

I plan to use this as next months Meteorite Times Micro Vision and  want to
be accurate.

The thin is polished to 1/4 micron.  This  sometimes has the same effect as
etching but on a much finer scale.  I have  observed it in other materials 
that
get this kind of polish.

There is a  fleck of iron in this material.  In this fleck is what looks 
like
micro  Widmanstatten pattern.

Can this pattern be called  Widmanstatten?  If not, are the creation
processes the same as with full  sized Widmanstatten?  How would it be still 
present
in a lunar?  Could  the pattern survive a meteor collision with the moon and
not be heated to the  point of destruction?

I would like to email micrographs to any one who is  interested or, even
better, might have the answers.

The images are taken  in incident cross polarized light and I am using a
Glan/Thompson style polarizer  that allows me near total extinction.  I pull 
up
the changes in the pattern  by slight rotation of the polarizer.  The
magnification of these images is  1600X.

Thanks,  Tom Phillips




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From pshugar at clearwire.net  Sat Aug  9 20:51:35 2008
From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 19:51:35 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] A new question has reared it's ugly head....
Message-ID: <001c01c8fa83$3e88c670$0201a8c0@portable>

Now I know that the moon has been mapped quite extensively,
and the location of features very small have been plotted.
A short time ago, a link to a cool video showing a meteor
striking the moon, accompanied by a flash of light.
Now I wonder, has anyone done a visual of the location,
and noted a new crater there?
I don't suppose that someone got very lucky and was watching the
moon as one struck the moon, or alternately and preferred, captured a video
of said event.
The closest that I know of was the Shoemaker-Levy strike on
The Big Guy---Jupiter, which was an awesome thing to see, by
the way.
Claxton is the only meteorite strike that was witnessed close up
and in your face ( about 50 feet, give or take) that I know of.
Monahan 1998 (about the same distance) was another strike very
close to the witnesses, but I'm not sure if any of the seven kids saw it 
hit.
Answers, anyone??????????
Pete IMCA 1733



From pshugar at clearwire.net  Sat Aug  9 20:59:26 2008
From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 19:59:26 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] PS to "question rearing it's head"
Message-ID: <002b01c8fa84$571d1550$0201a8c0@portable>

To bad that he didn't have a
 tape recorder going. The clang as it hit must have
been an awesome thing to hear.
Pete


From clp at alumni.caltech.edu  Sat Aug  9 20:59:43 2008
From: clp at alumni.caltech.edu (Chris Peterson)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 18:59:43 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] A new question has reared it's ugly head....
References: <001c01c8fa83$3e88c670$0201a8c0@portable>
Message-ID: <022901c8fa84$67fead70$0a01a8c0@bellatrix>

The video meteor strikes on the Moon have all involved shower components. 
Little bitty pieces, nowhere near large enough to make a crater detectable 
from the Earth.

Chris

*****************************************
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pete Shugar" <pshugar at clearwire.net>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 6:51 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] A new question has reared it's ugly head....


> Now I know that the moon has been mapped quite extensively,
> and the location of features very small have been plotted.
> A short time ago, a link to a cool video showing a meteor
> striking the moon, accompanied by a flash of light.
> Now I wonder, has anyone done a visual of the location,
> and noted a new crater there?
> I don't suppose that someone got very lucky and was watching the
> moon as one struck the moon, or alternately and preferred, captured a 
> video
> of said event.
> The closest that I know of was the Shoemaker-Levy strike on
> The Big Guy---Jupiter, which was an awesome thing to see, by
> the way.
> Claxton is the only meteorite strike that was witnessed close up
> and in your face ( about 50 feet, give or take) that I know of.
> Monahan 1998 (about the same distance) was another strike very
> close to the witnesses, but I'm not sure if any of the seven kids saw it
> hit.
> Answers, anyone??????????
> Pete IMCA 1733


From bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com  Sat Aug  9 22:32:23 2008
From: bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com (mckinney trammell)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 19:32:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] any ebay pro's out there?
Message-ID: <251231.31280.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

any ebay pro's out there? -got a few q's 


      

From info at tektiteinc.com  Sun Aug 10 02:11:50 2008
From: info at tektiteinc.com (info at tektiteinc.com)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 01:11:50 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD eBay Tektite Inc Shop back online!
Message-ID: <47869.127.0.0.1.1218348710.squirrel@srv08.ezyreg.com>

Hi all,

My Tektite Inc shop on eBay is back online. Please take some time visit my
store for your Rizalite needs. Thanks all.

Cheers,
Desmond Leong
IMCA #2254
http://www.TektiteInc.com
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZtektiteinc-dot-com


From Impactika at aol.com  Sun Aug 10 02:31:26 2008
From: Impactika at aol.com (Impactika at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 02:31:26 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson '09
Message-ID: <bf7.3f51e4da.35cfe53e@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/9/2008 6:02:02 PM Mountain Daylight Time,  
mdavidhardy at yahoo.com writes:
Does anyone have the dates for the gatherings  for Tucson next year?  It's 
time to start making plans.

David  H.

_________________

Hello Dave, and all,
 
The Tucson Show will be from January 31 to February 14.
For details go to:  _www.mzexpos.com_ (http://www.mzexpos.com) 
 
I imagine the big social weekend will be Feb. 6, 7 and 8, with the Auction  
on Friday the 6th, and the Birthday Party on Saturday the 7th.
Better not ask Michael Blood and Geoff Notkin quite yet; I am not sure they  
have fully recovered from the last one yet.   ;-)
But I do know that I will be there, in the same room at the  InnSuites.
 
I hope you will be able to make it too.
 
 
Anne M. Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
IMPACTIKA at aol.com
Vice-President  of IMCA
_www.IMCA.cc_ (http://www.IMCA.cc)  
 



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From mlblood at cox.net  Sun Aug 10 04:09:04 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 01:09:04 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson '09Correction
In-Reply-To: <bf7.3f51e4da.35cfe53e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C4C3F030.19044%mlblood@cox.net>

If the show ends Feb 14, the Auction will be SATURDAY, Feb. 7,
(The Auction is ALWAYS a Saturday, as the VFW Hall is always
Taken on Fridays - therefore, the Birthday Bash is always on
The Friday before the Auction - apparently Feb 6,2009.......
However, the 14th is a Saturday and the show always ends on
A Sunday....
        I will be coordinating with Geoff soon.
        Best wishes, Michael

on 8/9/08 11:31 PM, Impactika at aol.com at Impactika at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 8/9/2008 6:02:02 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
> mdavidhardy at yahoo.com writes:
> Does anyone have the dates for the gatherings  for Tucson next year?  It's
> time to start making plans.
> 
> David  H.
> 
> _________________
> 
> Hello Dave, and all,
>  
> The Tucson Show will be from January 31 to February 14.
> For details go to:  _www.mzexpos.com_ (http://www.mzexpos.com)
>  
> I imagine the big social weekend will be Feb. 6, 7 and 8, with the Auction
> on Friday the 6th, and the Birthday Party on Saturday the 7th.
> Better not ask Michael Blood and Geoff Notkin quite yet; I am not sure they
> have fully recovered from the last one yet.   ;-)
> But I do know that I will be there, in the same room at the  InnSuites.
>  
> I hope you will be able to make it too.
>  
>  
> Anne M. Black
> www.IMPACTIKA.com
> IMPACTIKA at aol.com
> Vice-President  of IMCA
> _www.IMCA.cc_ (http://www.IMCA.cc)
>  
> 
> 
> 
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From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Sun Aug 10 06:02:14 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 10 Aug 2008 10:02:14 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] A question about an iron fleck in NWA 2977 Lunar
Message-ID: <DIIE.0000009A00002F30@paulinet.de>

Tom, would you please send me those pictures?! This sounds very interesting.
Several lunar meteorites do have metal flecks and their FeNi usually is quite
nickel-rich (for example: 7-48 wt% Ni in Dhofar 301).

Best Sunday
Wishes,

Bernd


From cynapse at charter.net  Sun Aug 10 11:29:20 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:29:20 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Don't shoot it!
In-Reply-To: <251231.31280.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <251231.31280.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <r52u941fm44gc4f037ogkst2cqetigs5gh@4ax.com>

A few papers on Messenger's first encounter with Mercury, from July 4 Science.
Get it before it's gone, smoke if if you've got it, how are you fixed for
blades.

http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/Messenger_Mercury_Science_4_July_2008.pdf

From bobl at peaktopeak.com  Sun Aug 10 12:48:47 2008
From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:48:47 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: How well can you view this?
In-Reply-To: <83347.34433.qm@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20080810164914.1B9FD1053F@mailwash5.pair.com>

Hi Tim and Ruben,

It looked good to me.  I'm near Boulder, CO (USA) and I use Internet
Explorer 7.0 and FireFox 2.0.0.16

Regards,

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Ruben
Garcia
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:57 AM
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: How well can you view this?



> Ruben,
> 
> Would you please forward this message for me to the list. I
> never can post.
> I have tried several e-mail addresses over the years,
> always the same thing.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Tim
 
 
   Hello List,
 
 I would like to get some information on how well this
 movie clip can be viewed and if there is any problems.
 
   http://www.meteorman.org/Mars2.htm
 
 
   Thank You,
   Tim Heitz


      
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From schoner at mybluelight.com  Sun Aug 10 12:55:05 2008
From: schoner at mybluelight.com (Steve Schoner)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:55:05 GMT
Subject: [meteorite-list] "Glorieta, no hunting allowed
Message-ID: <20080810.105505.7395.0@webmail05.dca.untd.com>

John,

The dead horse is pretty swollen by now, so I am backing off, after the memory of a childhood event where a swollen dead cow blew up in my face.   The details are too disgusting to go into...

So...

Don't kick too hard... Swollen dead horses, such as this one, often explode with too hard a kick.

Steve Schoner
IMCA#4470

-- JKGwilliam <h3chondrite at cox.net> wrote:
I suppose we could start talking about the meteorite hunters who 
hunted on private property and tracked up the desert at Gold Basin 
and Franconia too.

Now you guys move over...I want a turn kicking that dead horse too!

John

At 02:17 PM 8/9/2008, Steve Schoner wrote:
>Don Rawlings wrote:
>
>Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 05:31:52 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Don Rawlings <psc2410xi at yahoo.com>
>
>"Steve.........
>
>Do you suppose anyone has gotten permission to hunt the Meteor 
>Crater area in light of all the CD coming on to the market in the 
>past few years?  Or maybe these are just old collections that have 
>finally been bought from their ancestors.  Yeah, I bet that's it.
>
>Don Rawlings"
>
>Right Don, especially all those fresh uncleaned apparently never 
>handled specimens including some of those very large ones...  All 
>"found" in as you say "just old collections."
>
>Being that I live in Flagstaff, and am quite known as a meteorite 
>collector-- strange that those old time collectors have not 
>contacted me in the last 10 or more years.
>
>Oh well, I suppose that some have a higher profile than me...
>
>But...
>
>Meteor Crater Enterprises has made it very clear to me, and I 
>suppose others, that any caught looking for and digging up 
>meteorites out there will be arrested.   And I tried back in 1992 to 
>get a permit from the BLM, Meteor Crater Enterprises, and Bar-T-Bar 
>working with Arizona State University's, Carlton Moore, UCLA's John 
>Wasson, and even USGS's Eugene Shoemaker, and David Roddy backing 
>me-- But to no avail.   It was for a legitimate scientific project 
>that has been on my mind for many years.   And the scientific 
>proposal was written by me, amended and approved by all those that backed me.
>
>If Meteor Crater Enterprises, Bar-T-Bar, and AZ BLM won't work with 
>me or those well known scientists who endorsed my project, then 
>I  doubt that anyone could get a permit to collect Canyon Diablo 
>meteorites for their personal collections, let alone for science.
>
>Steve Schoner
>IMCA #4470
>
>
>
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From chinaren76 at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 10 13:09:15 2008
From: chinaren76 at yahoo.com (Ma Lan)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:09:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: How well can you view this?
In-Reply-To: <83347.34433.qm@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <968027.12859.qm@web52707.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi Tim,

looks fine from Beijing, China. Great work.

Best,
Ma Lan
Beijing China

------
www.malanmeteorites.com



--- On Sun, 8/10/08, Ruben Garcia <meteoritemall at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Ruben Garcia <meteoritemall at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: How well can you view this?
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Sunday, August 10, 2008, 12:57 AM
> > Ruben,
> > 
> > Would you please forward this message for me to the
> list. I
> > never can post.
> > I have tried several e-mail addresses over the years,
> > always the same thing.
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Tim
>  
>  
>    Hello List,
>  
>  I would like to get some information on how well this
>  movie clip can be viewed and if there is any problems.
>  
>    http://www.meteorman.org/Mars2.htm
>  
>  
>    Thank You,
>    Tim Heitz
> 
> 
>       
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list


      

From korotev at wustl.edu  Sun Aug 10 16:30:42 2008
From: korotev at wustl.edu (Randy Korotev)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 15:30:42 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] A question about an iron fleck in NWA 2977 Lunar
In-Reply-To: <bdf.38563e08.35cf772a@aol.com>
References: <bdf.38563e08.35cf772a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <200808102029.m7AKTrn20386@levee.wustl.edu>

Dear Tom:

All brecciated lunar meteorites contain some FeNi metal (<<1%), but 
you may have to look hard in some.  (In others, like NWA 5000, you 
don't have to look hard at all.)  The metal derives from impacts of 
asteroidal meteorites with the Moon.  If the meteorite is an 
impact-melt breccia, the metal probably melted and resolidified on 
the Moon.  Regolith breccias, on the other hand, may contain FeNi 
metal that hasn't been highly reprocessed.

http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/stones/nwa0773.htm

NWA 2977, however, isn't a breccia.  It's an igneous rock (a cumulate 
olivine gabbro), if your sample is like mine.  Lunar igneous rocks 
contain very small amounts of metal, but the metal is indigenous to 
the Moon and doesn't have the composition of meteoritic metal.  I see 
that one report on NWA 733 (almost-for-sure a pair to NWA 2977) did 
mention "grains of Fe,Ni metal also occur in residual pockets but are 
rare."  Another says "Metal grains occur in very small masses with 
troilite and are Ni-rich (55.5 wt.% Ni, 40.9% Fe, 1.5% Co, 0.03% 
P)."  That composition isn't meteoritic (in meteorites, the Ni/Co 
ratio is nearly always in the 10-24 range).

When you say "The thin [section] is polished to 1/4 micron," do you 
mean the section is only 1/4 micron thick (amazing!) or the final 
polish was done with 1/4 micron abrasive?  In a standard thin section 
(30-35 microns), metal is totally opaque, so I don't see how it shows 
up in polarized light (?)  How does it look in reflected light?

Sincerely,
Randy Korotev




At 17:41 09-08-08, you wrote:
>Hi list,  I had a question about an iron  fleck I found in a thin section of
>NWA 2977 Lunar.  Jim Strope sent it to  me.
>
>I plan to use this as next months Meteorite Times Micro Vision and  want to
>be accurate.
>
>The thin is polished to 1/4 micron.  This  sometimes has the same effect as
>etching but on a much finer scale.  I have  observed it in other 
>materials that
>get this kind of polish.
>
>There is a  fleck of iron in this material.  In this fleck is what looks like
>micro  Widmanstatten pattern.
>
>Can this pattern be called  Widmanstatten?  If not, are the creation
>processes the same as with full  sized Widmanstatten?  How would it 
>be still present
>in a lunar?  Could  the pattern survive a meteor collision with the moon and
>not be heated to the  point of destruction?
>
>I would like to email micrographs to any one who is  interested or, even
>better, might have the answers.
>
>The images are taken  in incident cross polarized light and I am using a
>Glan/Thompson style polarizer  that allows me near total 
>extinction.  I pull up
>the changes in the pattern  by slight rotation of the polarizer.  The
>magnification of these images is  1600X.
>
>Thanks,  Tom Phillips


From geoking at notkin.net  Sun Aug 10 17:38:21 2008
From: geoking at notkin.net (Notkin)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:38:21 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] [AD] eBay Meteorites Ending Today, Sunday
Message-ID: <7E0D92E4-96C9-488B-AA23-14E245BD01EA@notkin.net>

Dear Listees:

Greetings from the toasty Sonoran Desert.


We have some nice meteorites ending in a couple of hours on eBay,  
including an unusually interesting and sculptural Taza with some  
original fusion crust:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160267516880


An historic Draeger-Nininger Odessa with exclusive vintage photo  
reproduction:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160267525957


Also, Carancas, Sikhote-Alin, a very cool oriented fusion-crusted  
"Mali" Erg Chech, Norton County, Mundrabilla, Gao, and lots of others  
-- as always, opening bid is a measly 99 cents with NO RESERVES.


All items for up for auction can be seen here:

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQsassZaerolitemeteorites



Instant recap with photos at Meteorite.com thanks to maestro Paul  
Harris, Jedi webmaster:

http://www.meteorite.com/meteorite-dealers/dealer-listings/aerolite.htm



That's all folks. Happy Sunday and cheers from Tucson -- the meteorite  
capital of the world!

Geoff N.
www.aerolite.org
www.campometeorites.com

From meteoritefinder at gmail.com  Sun Aug 10 18:08:42 2008
From: meteoritefinder at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 15:08:42 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] $3000 in meteorites up for grabs on Ebay /ad/ here
	are some cheap prices! some ending in 1 hour
Message-ID: <468bf6050808101508l23f62c95h825d44c868c30210@mail.gmail.com>

I have about $3000 in killer meteorites on Ebay right now and the bids
only total up to $646
Etched Odessa @ .28 per gram
Etched Glorieta @ $1.60 per gram
These 2 are ending in 1 hour!

Thes are ending in about 1 day!
Etched Glorieta @ $1.30 per gram
Full slices of Muonionalusta .16 per gram and .19 per gram These are
big full slices!
Large etched Canyon Diablo with cool inclusion sitting at only .15
cents per gram right now. You can have a look here
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsofindtypeZ15QQuseridZflattoprocksQQfclZ3QQsofocusZbsQQcatrefZC5QQfromZR7QQpfidZ0QQsinceZ30QQfsopZ1QQfsooZ1QQfrppZ50

-- 
Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401
www.meteoritefinder.com
 928-753-6825

From dmerchan at rochester.rr.com  Sun Aug 10 20:38:40 2008
From: dmerchan at rochester.rr.com (Don)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:38:40 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Future Meteorite coins??
Message-ID: <B5B8E7383E9F49F5B54DEC544A68E0E6@donxplt1>

Hi List. Does anyone out there know if there are any new Meteorite Coins in 
the works? If so what kind and is there a projected release date. Just 
curious is all.
Sincerely
Don Merchant
IMCA #0960 


From cynapse at charter.net  Sun Aug 10 23:53:46 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 23:53:46 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] All planets are born in killer environments
In-Reply-To: <251231.31280.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <251231.31280.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9odv94hgl4njviak6f7od3845d875hsrmg@4ax.com>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26077142/

All planets are born in killer environments 

New sim shows planetary formation resembles a violent wrestling match 

By Jeremy Hsu
Space.com

updated 5:44 p.m. ET, Thurs., Aug. 7, 2008

Our solar system emerged in surprisingly good order from the violence of
planetary creation, according to a new simulation.

Researchers found that planetary formation in the first few million years often
resembles a violent wrestling match among hungry siblings, with planets fighting
to feed on gas and dust while pulling at each other with gravitational arms. 

"There's massive bodies competing with each other and flinging each other
around," said Edward Thommes, a physicist at the University of Guelph in Canada,
lead author on the new research published in Friday's issue of the journal
Science.

The simulation traces the creation of a planetary system from almost beginning
to end, for the first time, and suggests that our solar system started with just
the right mass to become a relatively orderly place in the universe.

"You have to have the conditions just right," Thommes told Space.com. "They have
to be in a fairly narrow range."

Thommes and his former colleagues at Northwestern University ran the simulation
through over 100 scenarios to see how gas giants formed from the gas disks that
surrounded young stars. Newborn planets typically seemed to get pushed toward
the central star by the gas disk remnant surrounding them.

"The same disk from which they're born is also trying to kill them," Thommes
said.

Too much starting mass in the disk results in a swarm of gas giants crowding
into the central star. However, too little mass produces nothing bigger than
Neptunelike ice giants.

The tussle among gas giants can typically lead to loopy elliptical orbits.
Sometimes a gas giant even acts as a slingshot to throw a sibling into deep
space. 

By comparison, our solar system's gas giants ? Saturn and Jupiter ? have nearly
circular orbits that suggest less violent interaction. The two planets also
appear to have stayed close to where they grew up, instead of migrating into the
sun.

"They never really got into each other's face, so to speak," Thommes said. "They
kept their personal space."

The simulated planetary systems mostly line up with observations of more than
300 exoplanets discovered so far. But Thommes cautioned that the observed
exoplanets represent those that are relatively easiest to find, or "a filtered
sample" of what astronomers can see.

The researchers chose to sacrifice some detail in their simulation in order to
model planetary systems from start to finish. They hope to extend their hybrid
model approach so that they can eventually model planets spiraling all the way
into the central star. Currently, the simulation cannot track such planets
beyond a certain point.

An outside essay accompanying the Science paper and written by John Papaloizou,
an astrophysicist at the University of Cambridge in Britain, calls the new
simulation "compelling" and says that it achieves "reasonable success" in
modeling what astronomers have observed.


Papaloizou pointed out that some simulated planetary orbits do not match up with
the usual equatorial plane of star systems, something that astronomers have not
seen in exoplanetary systems so far. However, he also adds that current
knowledge of exoplanetary systems remains limited. 

For his part, Thommes remained confident that our solar system was uniquely
quiet, especially considering the birthing process. 

"What our solar system seems to represent in all of this is a peaceful and quiet
form of this process," Thommes said.

From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Mon Aug 11 05:46:37 2008
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 02:46:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 11,
	2008
Message-ID: <21143271.247651218447997212.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_11_2008.html



From eric at meteoritewatch.com  Mon Aug 11 07:07:21 2008
From: eric at meteoritewatch.com (Eric Wichman)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 04:07:21 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Call For Footage & Photos
In-Reply-To: <mailman.16.1218384080.43534.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
References: <mailman.16.1218384080.43534.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <48A01D69.2010808@meteoritewatch.com>

Hi everyone,

How would you like to be a part my FIRST publicly released meteorite 
tribute video? I'm making a meteorite video, a kind of a tribute to all 
you meteorite enthusiasts out there.

Why? well...

See August 5th was my birthday, and 1 year ago my girlfriend Jaime 
bought me my first meteorite. 3 days later I started MeteoriteWatch.com, 
and less than 3 weeks from that I started MeteoritesUSA.com. Since then 
there's been no way to stop the ever increasing need to learn as much 
about meteorites as I possibly can, build my collection and share with 
the world my love for this great hobby. I want make something for you 
guys that shows my appreciation for such a wonderful group of people. 
I've met a lot of really great people, and most every one of you have 
been way more helpful than I could ever have imagined. There are many of 
you I have hunted with, met, spoken with over the phone and corresponded 
with over this last year and I'm very happy to have met you guys!

This email is a call out to ALL you meteorite peoples out there... The 
video is about meteorites of course, but it's more about YOU, the 
meteorite community, and the hunters, collectors, dealers, and newbies 
that make this community so fun. If you've got something you'd like to 
share in this video please send me an email and I'll do my best to 
include it when it's released. This video will not be for sale, I won't 
be making anything on it. It's simply a tribute video to show my 
gratitude to everyone who has helped me over this last year of absolute 
fun and adventure. The growth of knowledge and the experience I've 
gained is unmatched in any endeavor I've ever undertaken. I freaking 
LOVE IT!

So, about the video... Let's just say it's gonna be FUN, light hearted, 
and totally out there, just like the rocks we love so much. Hopefully 
you guys will get a kick out of it when you see it. It will be posted on 
Youtube when it's completed and I will send out an email announcement to 
everyone when it's live. Anyone wanting a hard copy of the video for 
their computer please let me know and I'll burn it to a CD and send you 
a copy free of charge but only if you've contributed content to the 
video. Can't afford to send everyone a CD, I have to spend some cash on 
meteorites... ;)

Here's a list of things that can be included in the video:

Personal Meteorite Hunting Photos (preferably of you and/or your friends 
in the field)
Personal Meteorite Collection Photos
Photos of Your Favorite Meteorite
Self Portrait Photos (no need for a headshot here, just a simple photo 
will do) ;)
Video Footage of Hunts, Collections, Gem/Meteorite Shows Etc...

Short clips of video please... Please don't send full length DVD quality 
video as I can only fit so much in the 5-10 minute video. .AVI, .MPG, or 
.MOV file formats are all acceptable. If you send a photo/photos, please 
make sure it's a minimum of 500 pixels wide and either .PSD, .JPG, or 
.GIF format. There is no maximum limit on file size as I can edit any 
file you send me. Also, I don't think I have to say this but, please 
make sure you own the copyright to the footage or photo and are 
authorized to give permission for it's use.

If you can think of ANYTHING else you'd like to see in the video, or 
have a question, this is your chance to get it in. I'll be doing the 
final edit soon. Please include your full name, and web address if any, 
along with the photo or video footage you would like to have included. 
All footage, photos, pictures, etc, will receive proper credits. Dealers 
you are more than welcome to submit a copy/screenshot of your website as 
well to be included in the video. This is basically free advertising 
FOREVER for you! ;)

Looking forward to hearing from you guys...

Regards,
Eric Wichman
www.MeteoriteWatch.com
www.MeteoritesUSA.com




From jan at meteorieten.com  Mon Aug 11 07:41:39 2008
From: jan at meteorieten.com (Jan Bartels)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:41:39 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Looking for Micheal Johnson (ignore for list
	members)
Message-ID: <53573.85.145.6.103.1218454899.squirrel@webmail.uniserver.nl>


Mike,
I get all my mails back sent to you.
Can you pls. Contact me?

Best,
Jan




From lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu  Mon Aug 11 08:00:43 2008
From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu (lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 05:00:43 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] 'Field Guide to Meteors and Meteorites' - Two
 Thumbs Up!
In-Reply-To: <61849.9154.qm@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <8243BC14-5753-49F5-8619-64BD80D94C22@notkin.net>
	<61849.9154.qm@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <60817.71.226.60.25.1218456043.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu>

Hi Ruben:

Do you have a copy?

Can you write a very short (one or two paragraph) review. I am really
trying to get as many of these as possible for the November issue
(deadline end of this week).

Thanks.

Larry

On Wed, July 23, 2008 12:43 pm, Ruben Garcia wrote:
> Hey Geoff,
> I want an autographed copy too! How did you get to be first in that line
> and how come you didn't tell me? I thought we were friends.......
>
>
> Ruben Garcia
> Phoenix, Arizona
> http://www.mr-meteorite.com
> http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 7/23/08, Notkin <geoking at notkin.net> wrote:
>
>
>> From: Notkin <geoking at notkin.net>
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] "Field Guide to Meteors and Meteorites" - Two
>> Thumbs Up!
>> To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 12:36 PM
>> Dear Listees:
>>
>>
>> Greetings all. I know Richard Norton and Lawrence
>> Chitwood's new book
>> "Field Guide to Meteors and Meteorites" has
>> already been discussed here, but I just received my copy -- mine is
>> signed, aren't you jealous  : ) -- and it's such a terrific work I wanted
>>  to comment personally.
>>
>> This beautifully produced 288-page full color book is an
>> absolute must for all meteorite enthusiasts, and completes a great trilogy
>> on our favorite subject, alongside the Nortons' other two essential
>> works:
>> "Rocks from Space," and "The Cambridge
>> Encyclopedia of Meteorites."
>>
>>
>> Congratulations to Richard, and the late Lawrence Chitwood,
>> and also to M-List member Dorothy Norton who was very involved with the
>> work herself, contributing excellent scientific illustrations throughout,
>>  as well as editing and research. Dorothy just told me this morning that
>> the initial printing has already sold out (!) so if you need a first
>> edition snap it up quick wherever you can find it.
>>
>> On a personal note, I was thrilled by the invitation to
>> contribute, in a very small way, to this important work by supplying
>> meteorite photographs of specimens from the Oscar Monnig Collection, The
>> Michael
>> Farmer Meteorites Collection, and the Aerolite Meteorites
>> Collection.
>> Several other List members also contributed photos, and
>> you'll enjoy seeing a number of familiar meteorite hunters faces in the
>> "In The
>> Field" chapter. Special thanks to my pal Sonny Clary
>> who took a stellar photo of Steve Arnold #1 and myself at Brenham, which
>> was also included in the book.
>>
>> If you haven't seen the "Field Guide to Meteors
>> and Meteorites" yet, order it ASAP. A real beauty!
>>
>>
>> With best wishes,
>>
>>
>> Geoff N.
>>
>>
>> www.aerolite.org www.campometeorites.com
>>
>> We DIG Space Rocks???
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From lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu  Mon Aug 11 08:10:59 2008
From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu (lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 05:10:59 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] 'Field Guide to Meteors and Meteorites' - Two
 Thumbs Up!
In-Reply-To: <61849.9154.qm@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <8243BC14-5753-49F5-8619-64BD80D94C22@notkin.net>
	<61849.9154.qm@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <60829.71.226.60.25.1218456659.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu>

Hello everyone:

The problem with hitting respond to all when I meant to send my email just
to Ruben.

Well, I did intend to send this to the list, so here it goes.

If you have a copy of Richard Norton's wonderful book, we are trying to
collect as many short "reviews" as possible. I have two reviews in hand
and a few more promises. I need more, please. Even if you have never
contributed to Meteorite, here is your first chance. If you are concerned
about your writing skills, do not worry, this is why we are called
editors.

Reviews are due at the end of the week (I can live with next Monday). If
you are willing to do one, but cannot do it until closer to the deadline,
please let me know so I can add you to the list.

Thanks in advance.

Larry and Nancy Lebofsky

Editors, Meteorite magazine

On Wed, July 23, 2008 12:43 pm, Ruben Garcia wrote:
> Hey Geoff,
> I want an autographed copy too! How did you get to be first in that line
> and how come you didn't tell me? I thought we were friends.......
>
>
> Ruben Garcia
> Phoenix, Arizona
> http://www.mr-meteorite.com
> http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 7/23/08, Notkin <geoking at notkin.net> wrote:
>
>
>> From: Notkin <geoking at notkin.net>
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] "Field Guide to Meteors and Meteorites" - Two
>> Thumbs Up!
>> To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 12:36 PM
>> Dear Listees:
>>
>>
>> Greetings all. I know Richard Norton and Lawrence
>> Chitwood's new book
>> "Field Guide to Meteors and Meteorites" has
>> already been discussed here, but I just received my copy -- mine is
>> signed, aren't you jealous  : ) -- and it's such a terrific work I wanted
>>  to comment personally.
>>
>> This beautifully produced 288-page full color book is an
>> absolute must for all meteorite enthusiasts, and completes a great trilogy
>> on our favorite subject, alongside the Nortons' other two essential
>> works:
>> "Rocks from Space," and "The Cambridge
>> Encyclopedia of Meteorites."
>>
>>
>> Congratulations to Richard, and the late Lawrence Chitwood,
>> and also to M-List member Dorothy Norton who was very involved with the
>> work herself, contributing excellent scientific illustrations throughout,
>>  as well as editing and research. Dorothy just told me this morning that
>> the initial printing has already sold out (!) so if you need a first
>> edition snap it up quick wherever you can find it.
>>
>> On a personal note, I was thrilled by the invitation to
>> contribute, in a very small way, to this important work by supplying
>> meteorite photographs of specimens from the Oscar Monnig Collection, The
>> Michael
>> Farmer Meteorites Collection, and the Aerolite Meteorites
>> Collection.
>> Several other List members also contributed photos, and
>> you'll enjoy seeing a number of familiar meteorite hunters faces in the
>> "In The
>> Field" chapter. Special thanks to my pal Sonny Clary
>> who took a stellar photo of Steve Arnold #1 and myself at Brenham, which
>> was also included in the book.
>>
>> If you haven't seen the "Field Guide to Meteors
>> and Meteorites" yet, order it ASAP. A real beauty!
>>
>>
>> With best wishes,
>>
>>
>> Geoff N.
>>
>>
>> www.aerolite.org www.campometeorites.com
>>
>> We DIG Space Rocks???
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From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Mon Aug 11 09:31:22 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 11 Aug 2008 13:31:22 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] 2008 Perseid Maximum approaching
Message-ID: <DIIE.0000009400002F37@paulinet.de>

Hello Listees and Listoids,

I'm getting ready for this year's Perseids here. I've just loaded my good, old
Canon AE1-Pr from pre-digital times with an ISO 1000 color reversal film
and am now hoping for better weather conditions (it's cloudy and overcast
at the moment). The camera is mounted on a tripod and I' m going to try
exposures between 20 seconds and 1 minute - more eposure time is out of
the question because our suburban sky is severely light-polluted :-(

The maximum is supposed to be in the early afternoon hours of August 12th for
Central Europe, about sunrise time in the Eastern part of the US and about three
o'clock a.m. for Arizona - so get ready for very favorable conditions in the Far
West.

Here in Europe, the best time to observe and photograph the Perseids will be
tomorrow morning (August 12) after moonset at about one o'clock a.m. and also
tomorrow night (August 13) after the Moon sets at about 2 o'clock.

I will point my camera again toward the constellation Cygnus because I succeeded
in photographing two Perseids shooting through the Swan some years ago and this
constellation is far enough away from the shower's radiant point in northern Perseus.

By the way, against all odds, I also succeeded in taking one picture of the partial
solar eclipse on Friday, August 1. It was very cloudy here but right during mid-
eclipse (ca. 20% for my location) I was able to glimpse the sun for a brief moment,
held my digital camera to the eyepiece of my C-90 and took the shot :-)

Happy Viewing
of the Perseids
everywhere,

Bernd


From raremeteorites at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 11 14:25:47 2008
From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:25:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Great Auctions - Future Sales Info
Message-ID: <514202.66172.qm@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dear List Members,

It has been several months since I last posted an advertisement.  I feel the material ending in a few hours warrants a look. I have several planetary pieces running including the last large fragment of Northwest Africa 5000 started at just 99 cents with no reserve.  I also have a single nice piece of the rarely offered Dal ar Gani 1042 lunaite available at a bargain price. This is the only piece in inventory and I do not want to break it up but will if it does not sell. I would also like to bring to your attention the last of my Nakhla inventory started at just 99 cent with no reserve.  These are actual fragments and not cutting dust.  Please click on the link below to see some great material.

To see these and over 100 other auctions, click on this link:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZraremeteorites

My short-term goal is to get all of my affairs in order, move south and  get back into the field full-time for much needed exercise.  To assist in reaching these goals, I will be turning over my sales inventory to a well qualified individual I have been working with the last several months.  I also want to take up golf and return to treasure hunting, an avocation I have been pursuing since 1975.  I will be making some announcements in a couple of weeks concerning all of this. 

Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck.


Best Regards,

------------------------------------
Adam Hupe
The Hupe Collection
Team LunarRock
IMCA 2185
raremeteorites at comcast.net 

From mexicodoug at aim.com  Mon Aug 11 15:36:37 2008
From: mexicodoug at aim.com (mexicodoug at aim.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:36:37 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Great Auctions - Future Sales Info
In-Reply-To: <514202.66172.qm@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <514202.66172.qm@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CACA00B48D9A2C-C8-1BCD@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com>

"move south and get back into the field full-time for much needed 
exercise"

"also want to take up golf and return to treasure hunting"

Hello Adam,

Amen!  Sounds like a big renewal in the right direction.  My respects 
to you for a successful re-initiation ...

Best wishes, and above all, Great Health,
Doug

PS What ever happened to the Mobile Mohave Command Headquarters?
PPS "move south" hmmm... 86.844838 % of the Earth is south of you, and 
that doesn't include Groenland :)






-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
To: Adam <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 1:25 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Great Auctions - Future Sales Info



Dear List Members,

It has been several months since I last posted an advertisement.  I 
feel the
material ending in a few hours warrants a look. I have several 
planetary pieces
running including the last large fragment of Northwest Africa 5000 
started at
just 99 cents with no reserve.  I also have a single nice piece of the 
rarely
offered Dal ar Gani 1042 lunaite available at a bargain price. This is 
the only
piece in inventory and I do not want to break it up but will if it does 
not
sell. I would also like to bring to your attention the last of my 
Nakhla
inventory started at just 99 cent with no reserve.  These are actual 
fragments
and not cutting dust.  Please click on the link below to see some great
material.

To see these and over 100 other auctions, click on this link:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZraremeteorites

My short-term goal is to get all of my affairs in order, move south and 
 get
back into the field full-time for much needed exercise.  To assist in 
reaching
these goals, I will be turning over my sales inventory to a well 
qualified
individual I have been working with the last several months.  I also 
want to
take up golf and return to treasure hunting, an avocation I have been 
pursuing
since 1975.  I will be making some announcements in a couple of weeks 
concerning
all of this.

Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck.


Best Regards,

------------------------------------
Adam Hupe
The Hupe Collection
Team LunarRock
IMCA 2185
raremeteorites at comcast.net
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From pierremariepele at yahoo.fr  Mon Aug 11 16:03:56 2008
From: pierremariepele at yahoo.fr (=?iso-8859-1?q?Pel=E9=20Pierre-Marie?=)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:03:56 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Encyclopedia of Meteorites
Message-ID: <132428.21101.qm@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Hello List Members.

For several weeks, you may have notice some annoying
bugs in the Encyclopedia of Meteorites website. I
apologize for these problems.

Most of them have been corrected and I keep working on
some minor bugs.

I wish you get the best from the
Encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com website.

Best regards,

Pierre-Marie Pele


      _____________________________________________________________________________ 
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From mexicodoug at aim.com  Mon Aug 11 16:13:15 2008
From: mexicodoug at aim.com (mexicodoug at aim.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:13:15 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lawrencite
In-Reply-To: <DIIE.0000009400002F37@paulinet.de>
References: <DIIE.0000009400002F37@paulinet.de>
Message-ID: <8CACA05D23C1D00-C8-1EC2@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com>

Good Luck Bernd - you're not the only fossil-astronomer in the Digital 
Era out there using paleo-alchemy to turn meteoric light into gold (and 
all the other beautiful colors).  Good luck!

Question: St. Lawrence (225 ? 258 AD), the patron Saint of the Perseids 
- Is he the same demon Lawrence inciting diseases upon iron meteorites? 
  I could imagine that since his reputed tears while on the iron grill 
August 10, 258 AD were fiery enough to result in the Perseid Meteor 
Shower being named also the 'Tears of Saint Lawrence').  ...and that 
iron meteorites can have meteoritically tearful endings is it the same 
Lawrence or was it some reputed chemist regarding this reputed compound?
Fine Skies,
Doug
PS It is reputed tht St. Lawrence pays year-round visits to everyone 
not observing his August tears ...


-----Original Message-----
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de
To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 8:31 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] 2008 Perseid Maximum approaching



Hello Listees and Listoids,

I'm getting ready for this year's Perseids here. I've just loaded my 
good, old
Canon AE1-Pr from pre-digital times with an ISO 1000 color reversal film
and am now hoping for better weather conditions (it's cloudy and 
overcast
at the moment). The camera is mounted on a tripod and I' m going to try
exposures between 20 seconds and 1 minute - more eposure time is out of
the question because o
ur suburban sky is severely light-polluted :-(

The maximum is supposed to be in the early afternoon hours of August 
12th for
Central Europe, about sunrise time in the Eastern part of the US and 
about three
o'clock a.m. for Arizona - so get ready for very favorable conditions 
in the Far
West.

Here in Europe, the best time to observe and photograph the Perseids 
will be
tomorrow morning (August 12) after moonset at about one o'clock a.m. 
and also
tomorrow night (August 13) after the Moon sets at about 2 o'clock.

I will point my camera again toward the constellation Cygnus because I 
succeeded
in photographing two Perseids shooting through the Swan some years ago 
and this
constellation is far enough away from the shower's radiant point in 
northern
Perseus.

By the way, against all odds, I also succeeded in taking one picture of 
the
partial
solar eclipse on Friday, August 1. It was very cloudy here but right 
during mid-
eclipse (ca. 20% for my location) I was able to glimpse the sun for a 
brief
moment,
held my digital camera to the eyepiece of my C-90 and took the shot :-)

Happy Viewing
of the Perseids
everywhere,

Bernd

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From wahlperry at aol.com  Mon Aug 11 16:17:47 2008
From: wahlperry at aol.com (wahlperry at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:17:47 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Possible smoke trail  seen over Las Vegas Nv.
Message-ID: <8CACA0674F55853-EF4-176F@webmail-md17.sysops.aol.com>

Hi All,

While driving home today I might have seen a possible smoke trail. I am 
unsure if the source was an aircraft or a daytime fireball. I called 
the Airport Tower and there were no reported aircraft in that area 
today. It appeared on a cloudless day and disappeared within 15 
minutes. Will have to wait and see if anything else is reported.

Sonny

http://www.nevadameteorites.com/id33.htm

From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Mon Aug 11 17:03:29 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 11 Aug 2008 21:03:29 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lawrencite
Message-ID: <DIIE.0000008B00002F44@paulinet.de>

Hi Doug,

Hope you and Gloria are fine. We are o.k. here, especially me
now that I am a *retired* teacher and so I have all the time
in the world to do things I couldn't do when I was a teacher.
My Pauline and I, we'll start off with this year's Mineral
and Gem Show in Munich, maybe Tuscon next year, and maybe
Ensisheim next year.

No "good luck" re: Perseids so far ... it's been raining for
hours, doesn't look good tonight :-(

Regarding St. Lawrence and "lawrencite" ... no, he's not that
chloride demon. "lawrencite" refers to the American chemist John
Lawrence Smith (1818-1883) who was also a mineralogist and discovered
this reputed FeCl2 in meteorites.

Oh, oh, it has just restarted to rain heavily :-(
Let's hope you have perfect skies in Mexico!

Best from a happy
ex-teacher,

Bernd


From cynapse at charter.net  Mon Aug 11 17:45:54 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:45:54 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Wow, here's a live one!
In-Reply-To: <DIIE.0000008B00002F44@paulinet.de>
References: <DIIE.0000008B00002F44@paulinet.de>
Message-ID: <slc1a4dui9scanva08s9mn9vpi7s4skq2f@4ax.com>

http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/mauimag

From m42protosun at aol.com  Sat Aug  9 18:30:34 2008
From: m42protosun at aol.com (m42protosun at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 18:30:34 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: How well can you view this?
In-Reply-To: <83347.34433.qm@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <83347.34433.qm@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CAC886AC41F4F8-10B0-115F@webmail-da05.sysops.aol.com>

No problems and smoothed play on my 1.7 GHz Notebook under Win Xp
Uwe


Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com




-----Urspr?ngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Ruben Garcia <meteoritemall at yahoo.com>
An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Verschickt: Sa., 9. Aug. 2008, 18:57
Thema: [meteorite-list] Fw: How well can you view this?




> Ruben,
>
> Would you please forward this message for me to the list. I
> never can post.
> I have tried several e-mail addresses over the years,
> always the same thing.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Tim


   Hello List,

 I would like to get some information on how well this
 movie clip can be viewed and if there is any problems.

   http://www.meteorman.org/Mars2.htm


   Thank You,
   Tim Heitz



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From mexicodoug at aim.com  Mon Aug 11 19:44:04 2008
From: mexicodoug at aim.com (mexicodoug at aim.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:44:04 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lawrencite
In-Reply-To: <DIIE.0000008B00002F44@paulinet.de>
References: <DIIE.0000008B00002F44@paulinet.de>
Message-ID: <8CACA2345769418-304-858@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com>

Hi Bernd and Pauline :), and meteoriteoids,

All fine here Bernd and thanks for the very friendly note.  Thanks, 
too, for the kind clarification on "Lawrencite".

It was worth it to me as you prompted me to look up the very 
interesting bio of Dr. John Lawrence Smith (and note his German 
connection, as well)!

Always one to look for a conspiracy, what I'm curious about is how he 
got a reputed compound in meteoritics named after his middle name?  
Something doesn't feel too right.  I wonder if there is a story there, 
as it seems too exceptional.  I see he preferred to be called by his 
middle name Lawrence, perhaps, all the variants of the surname's 
Smithite were already taken?

It is interesting to note that he was very vocal about his belief that 
the origin of meteorites was  ... the Moon. But, this is 100 to 150 
years ago ... it wasn't a slap in his face ... this Lawrencite, was it, 
from a satirical cohort?

Dr. Smith seems like a brilliant academic and true field guy who hunted 
meteorites from Sultanates of the middle East in the 1800's to his area 
of specialty in Kentucky and the Southeastern United States.  I think 
most noteworthy above all was his intellectually complementary 
relationship he shared with his trusted and loved field companion who 
accompanied him on his adventures everywhere : his wife Sarah.

In honor of her husband, upon his death, Sarah established and endowed 
the J. Lawrence Smith Medal for investigations of meteoric bodies.  She 
did it in a nice way: sold his collection of 250 falls to Harvard for 
$8,000, then turned around and donated the money to an endowment 
funding a prize in his name: The J. Lawrence Smith Medal has been a 
cash prize of $25,000 since last given in 2003 and 2006, and it is not 
administered by the 'mere' Meteoritical Society, oh, no, but rather by 
the club of the truly American elite: the National Academy of Science 
(as in NAS, PNAS) !!!  Somehow that as very inspiring as it could be 
envious.

The first recipient of the medal was in 1888: HUBERT ANSON NEWTON 
(1830-1896, as related by Newton's NAS biographer, J. Williard Gibbs 
(Yes - the same brilliant guy who nailed town thermodynamics for 
chemists).  I believe Newton was the one who named meteoroids, well, 
"meteoroids".  That particular 1888 J.L. Smith prize went to Newton for 
doing a thorough analysis of 210 distinct recovered meteorites and 
determining constraints of their orbits, nearly 100 years before "Lost 
City".  He made interesting comments suggesting that meteorites in 
collections were not entering Earth's atmosphere in retrograde 
(against) orbits with Earth, but rather with (prograde) Earth, and that 
material entering in retrograde matter could not survive due to 
material constraints, as a meteorite. (really this is a must read and 
has a lot of meat behind it)

Newton also set up what I believe was the first meteor/fireball network 
of observers for collaboration and determined the triangulated heights 
of Leonids and Perseids, among others.

Upon accepting his Lawrencite Medal, errr- John Lawrence Smith Medal, 
Newton made the profound statement:

"To discover some new truth in nature, even if it concerns the small 
things in the world, gives one of the purest pleasures of human 
experience.  It gives joy to tell others of treasure found."

WOW!  How beautifully said.

I wonder how Dr. J. Lawrence Smith would have reacted to the second to 
last J. Lawrence Smith Medal in 2003 given for the origins of 
meteorites, etc. , given his strong Lunar origin belief.  Naw, I'm sure 
he would have been a step ahead of the best ...

PS Bernd - Cheers to Sarah, Pauline, Gloria and the rest of the gang!

Best wishes,
Doug
Off to Pursue Perseids ...




-----Original Message-----
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de
To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 4:03 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lawrencite



Hi Doug,

Hope you and Gloria are fine. We are o.k. here, especially me
now that I am a *retired* teacher and so I have all the time
in the world to do things I couldn't do when I was a teacher.
My Pauline and I, we'll start off with this year's Mineral
and Gem Show in Munich, maybe Tuscon next year, and maybe
Ensisheim next year.

No "good luck" re: Perseids so far ... it's been raining for
hours, doesn't look good tonight :-(

Regarding St. Lawrence and "lawrencite" ... no, he's not that
chloride demon. "lawrencite" refers to the American chemist John
Lawrence Smith (1818-1883) who was also a mineralogist and discovered
this reputed FeCl2 in meteorites.

Oh, oh, it has just restarted to rain heavily :-(
Let's hope you have perfect skies in Mexico!

Best from a happy
ex-teacher,

Bernd

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From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 11 20:08:06 2008
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:08:06 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: How well can you view this?
Message-ID: <029b01c8fc0f$7f38ff90$f34ce146@ATARIENGINE>

Hi, Tim,

Running a 2.7Ghz XP box with 1.25 gig Ram, on 3
Megabit DSL that moves at 80% capacity. With IE6 as 
browser, I get 5-6 secs of video, then a long wait (15-20 sec), 
then another 5-6 sec, etc, quite unlike my usual experience.
(Sometimes I get a little buffering pause at the beginning 
of a big (640-720 x 480) streaming video while it arranges the 
paging, but never after it gets going.) Once I let yours play 
through intermittantly, it plays from my temporary folder 
copy just fine, of course. Looks to me like you're not 
feeding it fast enough, or maybe repeating some initial 
handshake rituals unnecessarily (or something). 

Tried again today, with the newer version of the animation, 
and it starts to play immediately and does so smoothly, 
up to the impact-on-Mars moment, whereupon it suddenly 
reverts to 20 seconds of wait, five seconds of play, over 
and over, until the end.

Nice fireball-on-Mars.

Sterling Webb
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ruben Garcia wrote:
>   
>> Ruben,
>>
>> Would you please forward this message for me to the list. I
>> never can post.
>> I have tried several e-mail addresses over the years,
>> always the same thing.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tim
>>     
>  
>  
>    Hello List,
>  
>  I would like to get some information on how well this
>  movie clip can be viewed and if there is any problems.
>  
>    http://www.meteorman.org/Mars2.htm
>  
>  
>    Thank You,
>    Tim Heitz
>


From meteoritemall at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 11 20:55:35 2008
From: meteoritemall at yahoo.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:55:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] How does a mars video find its way to earth -
	Video!
Message-ID: <295368.48317.qm@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks to everyone that responded with comments.

I wish I could claim this video as my own work. Unfortunately for me, its from Timothy Heitz.

Tim added an ending and changed some other stuff. Really great work Tim!
http://www.meteorman.org/Mars2.htm



Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
http://www.mr-meteorite.com
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v


      

From meteoritemall at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 11 20:58:40 2008
From: meteoritemall at yahoo.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:58:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] How does a Mars Meteorite find its way to earth!!!!
Message-ID: <811275.67129.qm@web32504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Oops! we'll try this again.... 

Thanks to everyone that responded with comments.

I wish I could claim this video as my own work. Unfortunately for me, its from Timothy Heitz.

Tim added an ending and changed some other stuff. Really great work Tim!
http://www.meteorman.org/Mars2.htm



Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
http://www.mr-meteorite.com
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v



Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
http://www.mr-meteorite.com
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v


      

From clp at alumni.caltech.edu  Mon Aug 11 21:10:16 2008
From: clp at alumni.caltech.edu (Chris Peterson)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:10:16 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] How does a mars video find its way to earth
	-Video!
References: <295368.48317.qm@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <032d01c8fc18$36388eb0$0a01a8c0@bellatrix>

I'm not up on current theory regarding Martian meteorites. Do the models 
suggest that the most likely scenario involves an extremely shallow 
collision angle- enough to produce a highly asymmetric debris cloud? I think 
that takes around 20 degrees or less? Or was this rendered that way for 
artistic effect?

Chris

*****************************************
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ruben Garcia" <meteoritemall at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 6:55 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] How does a mars video find its way to 
earth -Video!


> Thanks to everyone that responded with comments.
>
> I wish I could claim this video as my own work. Unfortunately for me, its 
> from Timothy Heitz.
>
> Tim added an ending and changed some other stuff. Really great work Tim!
> http://www.meteorman.org/Mars2.htm
>
>
>
> Ruben Garcia


From bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 11 21:45:46 2008
From: bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com (mckinney trammell)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:45:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] How does a mars video find its way to earth -
	Video!
In-Reply-To: <295368.48317.qm@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <221786.15281.qm@web53208.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

cracktacular! you got 2 hours of that?


--- On Mon, 8/11/08, Ruben Garcia <meteoritemall at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Ruben Garcia <meteoritemall at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] How does a mars video find its way to earth - Video!
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 8:55 PM
> Thanks to everyone that responded with comments.
> 
> I wish I could claim this video as my own work.
> Unfortunately for me, its from Timothy Heitz.
> 
> Tim added an ending and changed some other stuff. Really
> great work Tim!
> http://www.meteorman.org/Mars2.htm
> 
> 
> 
> Ruben Garcia
> Phoenix, Arizona
> http://www.mr-meteorite.com
> http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v
> 
> 
>       
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From cynapse at charter.net  Tue Aug 12 01:12:20 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 01:12:20 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Future Meteorite coins??
In-Reply-To: <B5B8E7383E9F49F5B54DEC544A68E0E6@donxplt1>
References: <B5B8E7383E9F49F5B54DEC544A68E0E6@donxplt1>
Message-ID: <7r62a459n2m5e60gappmrvdlqhn1gjmrr6@4ax.com>

On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:38:40 -0400, you wrote:

>Hi List. Does anyone out there know if there are any new Meteorite Coins in 
>the works? If so what kind and is there a projected release date. Just 
>curious is all.

Hm.  Does this count?

http://www.pretorianews.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=4553934

R2 gold coin to be struck
August 12, 2008 Edition 1 

The Vredefort Dome World Heritage Site will be struck on a R2 gold commemorative
coin, the South African Mint said yesterday. 

This would take place on a koppie in the dome during the opening of the
International Large Meteorite Impacts and Planetary Evolution IV Conference on
August 17.

A spokesman for the Mint, Sandy de Kock, said the Vredefort Dome coin formed
part of the Mint's World Heritage Site Series of coins. 

A huge meteorite is believed to have slammed into the earth close to where
Vredefort now lies about 2020 million years ago. The event will be attended by
delegates from around the world. - Sapa

From almitt at kconline.com  Tue Aug 12 07:10:50 2008
From: almitt at kconline.com (ALMitt)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 07:10:50 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Ebay Auctions ending in about one day!!
Message-ID: <48A16FBA.2070503@kconline.com>

Greetings List Members,

I have some  Millbillillie, Australia (one slice and one whole specimen 
with flow lines),  2 Lost City, Oklahoma, Tuxtuac Mexico (LL4),  a 10.85 
gram part slice of Allende, Mexico (from the King Collection), a larger 
Ghubara whole stone specimen (439 grams). I'll be putting up some more 
specimens later on for your viewing and bidding pleasure.
 
You can see my items at: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/almittmet

All my best!

--AL Mitterling
Mitterling Meteorites



From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 12 11:02:49 2008
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:02:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteor Crater
Message-ID: <113907.53629.qm@web36906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi all - 

As I understand it, President Teddy Roosevelt had a special piece of legislation passed by the Congress which took Meteor Crater and the surrounding lands from the Navaho people and gave them to Barringer if he would mine it. Teddy wanted nickel steel for munitions, and in this act preceded Stalin and why he funded Kulik's work at Tunguska, looking for mickel steel. Of course, Barringer did not know that the impactor had largely vaporized into spherules, and ended broken when he learned this.

I would like to thank those at Tucson who supplied me with meteorites in 2007, and I used them last weekend at powwow for a talk. I still have not finished my Canyon Diablos for fire starting, and I am still reeling from my stroke, and likely will be for the rest of my life. I am hoping a major publisher, one with copy editors, graphic artists, production, and distribution will pick up "Man and Impact in the Americas", but what is more likely is that later writers will simply "borrow" pieces of it without acknowledgment.

A copy of a draft of my expose of today's fringe is still available for free by writing me, and as always signed copies of "Man and Impact in the Americas" are available to list members at a greatly reduced price.

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas 

















      

From saharagems at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 12 11:12:38 2008
From: saharagems at yahoo.com (Stalder Thomas)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:12:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Libyan Desert Glass LDG
Message-ID: <322743.72429.qm@web44913.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Hi,

This is actually my first posting here. My name is Thomas and I was living and working a couple of years in Egypt. After another posting to Malaysia, I'm finally back to my roots here in Switzerland.

During my time in Egypt I became a desert and specially a Desert Glass addicted :-). I did many trips to the Western Desert of Egypt and back in 2002 to the Gilf Kebir and to the Desert Glass field in the Great Sand Sea. I still have a couple of Glass fragments from this trip which I normally offer on Ebay. I just start 3 days ago another auction and you are most welcome to take a look.

Starting prices just 0.99 USD cents.
I guarantee that all pieces are in 100 % perfect condition (no chips or cracks). See also my feedback on Ebay.

http://stores.ebay.com/SAHARAGEMS-DESERT-STONES-AND-MORE

>From a previous sale a member of the IMCA became a hopefully satisfied customer and a colleague to me. I
guess that most of you know Peter Marmet from Switzerland. I just got
his permission to mention him here (so this mail looks now much more
serious :-)

Further I just went online with a new website where I'm offering some exceptionally nice pieces of LDG.
Please take a look at: http://www.sahara-gems.com    or if you like to get any impression about my Egyptian Desert time you can also visit my old website http://www.saharastones.com (some nice pictures of LDG too).

Best regards,
Thomas Stalder


      


From meteoritemall at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 12 11:36:36 2008
From: meteoritemall at yahoo.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:36:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Has anyone had any dealings with Malek Youssef?
Message-ID: <393296.32474.qm@web32503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> Ruben - I need this message posted to the list. I still
> can't post messages  
 

 
 Hello List,
 
 Has anyone had any dealings with Malek Youssef?
 
 Thanks,
 Tim 


      

From h3chondrite at cox.net  Tue Aug 12 11:37:48 2008
From: h3chondrite at cox.net (JKGwilliam)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:37:48 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ivan Koutyrev
Message-ID: <20080812153751.UMIT6526.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>

Does anyone have a current email address for Ivan Koutyrev?  If so, 
please reply off list.

Thanks,
John


From grf2 at verizon.net  Tue Aug 12 12:39:37 2008
From: grf2 at verizon.net (Jerry)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:39:37 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Has anyone had any dealings with Malek
 Youssef?
In-Reply-To: <393296.32474.qm@web32503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <393296.32474.qm@web32503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ED37C22D312E4945A944F8CFA3BEC82C@Notebook>

If he's on the Paleolist, then I've purchased two items from him. He's OK.
Jerry Flaherty
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ruben Garcia" <meteoritemall at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 11:36 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Has anyone had any dealings with Malek 
Youssef?


>> Ruben - I need this message posted to the list. I still
>> can't post messages
>
>
>
> Hello List,
>
> Has anyone had any dealings with Malek Youssef?
>
> Thanks,
> Tim
>
>
>
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From mstreman53 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 12 13:11:20 2008
From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:11:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Test delete
Message-ID: <436631.26719.qm@web55202.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

SAB

From Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr  Tue Aug 12 17:26:00 2008
From: Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr (Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 23:26:00 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] A question about an iron fleck in NWA
	2977	Lunar
In-Reply-To: <200808102029.m7AKTrn20386@levee.wustl.edu>
References: <bdf.38563e08.35cf772a@aol.com>
	<200808102029.m7AKTrn20386@levee.wustl.edu>
Message-ID: <20080812232600.45yfm9vnh7kk80ow@w3mail.univ-mulhouse.fr>

Dear Randy & list,

Randy, I fully appreciated your very explicit statement regarding  
metallic phases in lunars.
This is actually important and fundamental regarding the orgin of  
metal or the history of lunar meteorites (and other) and I am  
surprised of the lack of reactions.

I have here a comment and a couple of questions

Comment:

I recently got (from the team Altmann/Ralew - Chladni'd Heirs) 2 small  
pieces of NWA 3186, still not officially approved by the NomCom but  
said to be a lunar olivine gabbro (classified by Greshake in Berlin)  
and suspected (at least by me but also by others) to be probably  
paired with NWA 773, 2727, 3333 and possibly the others ofthe series.
The texture (from the sections cut and polished on my 0.753 g and  
1.132 g fragments) fully resembles the pics shown on your link.

Well I carefully examined these sections under a simple 40x  
magnification (binocular with light oriented so as to have metallic  
reflexions favored). On the largest section (1.132 g piece) I clearly  
detected an about 0.3 mm Schreibersite area, possibly along with a  
couple of 10 times smaller such spots).
This schreibersite (identified visually, thus through its special  
color/shade, by comparison with the same mineral observed on many  
other meteorite sections) is observed on the black breccia surface  
portion (about 60%, the other 40% being almost pure olivine as in the  
paired NWA's).
I neither observed more schreibersite on the other piece, nor on my  
0.277 g NWA 2977 slice (pure "olivine"-like texture), nor on any other  
of my other 14 lunar samples.

On examining all my lunar samples, just DAG 400 (lunar anorthosic  
breccia) clearly showed about 30-35 very tiny metallic spots  
(contamination totally excluded), that have the usual typical shade of  
the Fe,Ni metallic spots in most meteorites (steel-gray).

2 small questions:

- Did you ever observe screibersite domains on lunar meteorites (won't  
be a surprise if schreibersite originates from the impactor) and, if  
so, would the (Fe,NI,Co) phosphide be also be richer in Ni than, say,  
schreibersite found on other oc's ?

- Speculating that you for sure well know that NWA 3186, could you  
confirm it is also be paired with the others mentioned above ?

Thanks much for any comment or answer.

Best wishes to all,

Zelimir


Randy Korotev <korotev at wustl.edu> a ??crit? :

> Dear Tom:
>
> All brecciated lunar meteorites contain some FeNi metal (<<1%), but you
> may have to look hard in some.  (In others, like NWA 5000, you don't
> have to look hard at all.)  The metal derives from impacts of
> asteroidal meteorites with the Moon.  If the meteorite is an
> impact-melt breccia, the metal probably melted and resolidified on the
> Moon.  Regolith breccias, on the other hand, may contain FeNi metal
> that hasn't been highly reprocessed.
>
> http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/stones/nwa0773.htm
>
> NWA 2977, however, isn't a breccia.  It's an igneous rock (a cumulate
> olivine gabbro), if your sample is like mine.  Lunar igneous rocks
> contain very small amounts of metal, but the metal is indigenous to the
> Moon and doesn't have the composition of meteoritic metal.  I see that
> one report on NWA 733 (almost-for-sure a pair to NWA 2977) did mention
> "grains of Fe,Ni metal also occur in residual pockets but are rare."
> Another says "Metal grains occur in very small masses with troilite and
> are Ni-rich (55.5 wt.% Ni, 40.9% Fe, 1.5% Co, 0.03% P)."  That
> composition isn't meteoritic (in meteorites, the Ni/Co ratio is nearly
> always in the 10-24 range).
>
> When you say "The thin [section] is polished to 1/4 micron," do you
> mean the section is only 1/4 micron thick (amazing!) or the final
> polish was done with 1/4 micron abrasive?  In a standard thin section
> (30-35 microns), metal is totally opaque, so I don't see how it shows
> up in polarized light (?)  How does it look in reflected light?
>
> Sincerely,
> Randy Korotev
>
>
>
>
> At 17:41 09-08-08, you wrote:
>> Hi list,  I had a question about an iron  fleck I found in a thin section of
>> NWA 2977 Lunar.  Jim Strope sent it to  me.
>>
>> I plan to use this as next months Meteorite Times Micro Vision and  want to
>> be accurate.
>>
>> The thin is polished to 1/4 micron.  This  sometimes has the same effect as
>> etching but on a much finer scale.  I have  observed it in other   
>> materials that
>> get this kind of polish.
>>
>> There is a  fleck of iron in this material.  In this fleck is what   
>> looks like
>> micro  Widmanstatten pattern.
>>
>> Can this pattern be called  Widmanstatten?  If not, are the creation
>> processes the same as with full  sized Widmanstatten?  How would it  
>>  be still present
>> in a lunar?  Could  the pattern survive a meteor collision with the moon and
>> not be heated to the  point of destruction?
>>
>> I would like to email micrographs to any one who is  interested or, even
>> better, might have the answers.
>>
>> The images are taken  in incident cross polarized light and I am using a
>> Glan/Thompson style polarizer  that allows me near total   
>> extinction.  I pull up
>> the changes in the pattern  by slight rotation of the polarizer.  The
>> magnification of these images is  1600X.
>>
>> Thanks,  Tom Phillips
>
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From bobadebt at ec.rr.com  Tue Aug 12 18:41:52 2008
From: bobadebt at ec.rr.com (David & Kitt Deyarmin)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:41:52 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] My Annual Meteorite Sphere Collection Update
Message-ID: <B9BD57EDF72E4677B252A9A9C2E63ECB@David>

I am very proud to report that I was able to add 8 spheres to my collection 
this year :)

When I started this collection in May of 2006 I never dreamed I would own 
many of the specimens I have.  I could have collected slices or end cuts 
which is what most people focus on but I decided to collect spheres, more 
specifically, 50mm spheres. At first, this condition seem to make it very 
difficult to add new specimens to my shelf. Now, here it is 2 years later 
and I have most of the specimens I never thought I would have such as the 
Brahin, Toluca, Dronino, Canyon Diablo Graphite Nodule and the Libyan Glass. 
Plus I have many specimens I never even considered such as the NWA 791, 
Nininger Brick and Uruacu.


I realize that I was extremely fortunate this year but I don't have high 
expectations for the coming year, I think I'll be lucky to add 2-3 new 
spheres to my
collection.


You can check out my collection at: 
http://home.ec.rr.com/bobadebt/50mil.htm

Here is a picture of the whole collection

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p298/BobaDebt/Meteorites/Spheres/Collection08May.jpg


TOP ROW - Seymchan / Campo / Gibeon / Brahin / Toluca / Uruacu / Dronino

CENTER ROW - NWA 2828 / NWA 869 / NWA 791 / Dinosaur Bone / Gao / Dhofar 
1289

BOTTOM ROW - Libyan Glass / Guang Dong Tektite / Canyon Diablo Graphite 
Nodule / Black Onaping / Nininger Museum Wall Brick 


From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 12 19:39:47 2008
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:39:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Asteroids and Comets
Message-ID: <575798.58492.qm@web36906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Uhh, Ron, 

I'm nearly too damn worn out to comment on this, but I'm not dead yet, so here goes. That's asteroids and comets, not just asteroids. Comets, like the one that killed about 95% of the people living in North America around 10,900 BCE. 

Comets, like Comet Schwassmann Wachmann 3, due back in our vicinity in 2022.

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas


http://www.congrex.nl/09c04/

1st IAA Planetary Defense Conference:
Protecting Earth from Asteroids

27 - 30 April 2009

Granada, Spain

The International Academy of Astronautics will hold its first conference on protecting our planet from impacts by asteroids and comets the week of 
April 27, 2009 in Granada, Spain. The 1st IAA Planetary Defense Conference: Protecting Earth from Asteroids, co-sponsored by the European Space Agency, is the follow-on to two previous planetary defense conferences held in 2004 in Los Angeles and 2007 in Washington, D.C. Details on the 2004 and 2007 conferences are at www.planetarydefense.info

The 2009 meeting will gather worldwide experts on detecting and tracking 
objects that might be hazardous to our planet together with those who work 
on detailed characterisation of these objects, those working on deflecting 
a threatening object should one be detected and those with an interest in 
the nature of impact disasters as well as covering political, legal and 
policy issues that must be considered as part of an overall mitigation 
strategy.

A particular focus of the conference will be the foreseen encounter with 
Apophis, a 300-meter asteroid that is predicted to pass within 40,000 km 
of Earth in 2029 and has a current probability of impacting our planet 
in 2036 of 1 in 45000.

The conference will also be aimed at promoting multidisciplinary work on 
the subject in the years to come. Special emphasis will be given to 
involving students and young researchers from diffent fields, who could 
find on this topic -a better understanding on NEO and the risk they could 
involve- a point of encounter.

At present, there are about 900 asteroids and comets that are designated 
Potentially Hazardous Objects (PHOs), objects that could eventually 
threaten Earth. Ground-based observations are increasing this number by 
more than 600 per year. Experts believe that there could be as many as 
20,000 PHO objects larger than 140 meters.

The most recent significant impact occurred in Siberia, Russia, in 1908 
when an object estimated to be between 30 and 50 meters in diameter 
entered the atmosphere and exploded. The blast levelled and ignited over 
2000 square kilometres of forest.

Researchers have discovered evidence that a larger object exploded over 
Canada 18,900 years ago and that this event caused massive fires in 
North America that caused a 10-degree drop in the average temperature 
in the Northern Hemisphere for 1000 years.

Asteroids and comets are among our closest neighbours, they form part of 
our nearest environment in the Solar System. However we still have a 
great deal to learn about them. We have now some of the technologies 
that might be needed to prevent these objects from hitting the Earth, 
but what would actually be required to be sure a threatening object 
can be tackled? And will we see it coming? The conference will help 
answer these questions.


------------------------------




      

From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Tue Aug 12 20:50:52 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:50:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Soil Studies Continue at Phoenix Mars Lander Site
Message-ID: <200808130050.RAA16012@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



Soil Studies Continue at Phoenix Mars Lander Site
August 9, 2008

Vibration of the screen above a laboratory oven on NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander on
Saturday, Aug. 9, succeeded in getting enough soil into the oven to begin
analysis. Commands were sent for the lander's Thermal and Evolved-Gas Analyzer
(TEGA) to begin analysis Sunday of the soil sample from a trench called "Rosy
Red."

Phoenix's robotic arm delivered soil Thursday from the Rosy Red trench through a
narrow opening to a screen above the No. 5 oven on the lander's TEGA. A few
particles of the sample passed through the screen on Thursday, but not enough
to fill the oven and allow analysis of the sample to begin. The Phoenix team
sent commands for TEGA to vibrate the screen again on Friday, and more material
reached the oven, though still not enough to proceed with analysis.

"There appear to be clumps blocking the opening," Doug Ming of NASA Johnson
Space Center, Houston, the Phoenix team's science lead, said on Friday.
"However, we have seen in the past that when this soil sits for a while, it
disperses. We intend to fill an oven with this material, either by additional
vibration of the same screen or by opening doors to one of the other TEGA
cells."

Friday activities by the spacecraft included extending the width of an
exploratory trench informally named "Neverland," which extends between two
rocks on the surface of the ground.

The lander last week also made overnight measurements of conductivity in the
Martian soil. The conductivity measurements completed Wednesday, Aug. 6, ran
from the afternoon of Phoenix's 70th Martian day, or sol, after landing to the
morning of Sol 71. A fork-like probe inserted into the soil checks how well
heat and electricity move through the soil from one prong to another.

The Phoenix mission is led by Peter Smith from The University of Arizona with
project management at JPL, and development partnership at Lockheed Martin,
located in Denver. International contributions come from the Canadian Space
Agency; the University of Neuchatel, Switzerland; the universities of
Copenhagen and Aarhus in Denmark; the Max Planck Institute in Germany; and the
Finnish Meteorological Institute. The California Institute of Technology in
Pasadena manages JPL for NASA.

MEDIA CONTACTS:
Sara Hammond
University of Arizona
520-626-4402
shammond at lpl.arizona.edu

Veronica McGregor/Guy Webster
NASA Jet Propulsion Lab
818-354-5011
veronica.mcgregor at jpl.nasa. gov
guy.webster at jpl.nasa.gov

Dwayne Brown
NASA Headquarters, Washington
202-358-1726
dwayne.c.brown at nasa.gov

WEB LINKS:
http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu
http://www.nasa.gov/phoenix


From John at Cabassi.net  Tue Aug 12 22:26:34 2008
From: John at Cabassi.net (John.L.Cabassi)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:26:34 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 5000
Message-ID: <003d01c8fcec$067d1040$4564fea9@TITAN>

Hi List
I don't know if you've seen it yet, but I was anticipating Tom's report on 
the NWA 5000. And once again, he has exceeded his expectations, but I knew 
he would, considering the quality of his work. His micrographs are 
spectacular. In fact, when I first viewed at a rapid rate, it was like 
looking into a slide of bacteria. Wonderful critters and wonderful shapes. 
The last image reminds me of a Protozoa.

But enough with my imagination, there is so much information jammed into his 
images to keep me awake for many nights.

Incredible microscopic views and a credit to his ability.  Thanks Tom! You 
continue to amaze me.
http://www.meteorite.com/meteorite-gallery/Micro_Visions.htm

Cheers
Johnno 


From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Wed Aug 13 05:50:26 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 13 Aug 2008 09:50:26 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] In remembrance of Darryl Futrell
Message-ID: <DIIE.000000BA00002F5D@paulinet.de>

Gone but not forgotten!

+ + + Darryll passed away on Monday, August 13, 2001 + + +


Here is how some list members felt when they heard the sad news:


* He was a very nice man, great to talk with. We will all miss his input to this list.

* Though I didn't always agree with him I did respect him greatly.

* Darryl meant a lot to this list and its members. I know I will never look at the MOON
  again without thinking about his hard won contributions. I think this poem by Jack
  London fit him well:
 
I would rather be ashes than dust!
I would rather
that my spark should burn out in a brilliant blaze
than it should be stifled by dryrot
I would rather be a superb meteor,
every atom of me in magnificent glow,
than a sleepy and permanent planet.
The proper function of man is to live, not to exist.
I shall not waste my days in trying to prolong them.
I shall use my time.

That he did.....



From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 13 09:59:00 2008
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 06:59:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] (AD) EBAY AUCTIONS
Message-ID: <41350.7460.qm@web57808.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Good morning list.I have some really nice ebay auctions out there.I have a 300 gram slice of SAU 001 (110 MM X 80 MM 10MM),a 212 gram CANYON DIABLO,A 447 gram endcut of NWA 869,and finally from the mike casper collection,a beautiful 435 gram 85% crusted flowlined oriented nosecone unclassified piece.All 4 auctions can be veiwed under ebay ID: ILLINOISMETEORITES.View at your liesure and bid high and bid often.Have a great day!

Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/


      

From mstreman53 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 13 10:37:58 2008
From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 07:37:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] New Falls for 2008?
Message-ID: <100124.28656.qm@web55205.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Anyone have a list of falls so far this year?
Elton

From meteoriteplaya at gmail.com  Wed Aug 13 11:02:53 2008
From: meteoriteplaya at gmail.com (Mike Jensen)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:02:53 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] New Falls for 2008?
In-Reply-To: <100124.28656.qm@web55205.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
References: <100124.28656.qm@web55205.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6f9da8300808130802j446b679ubcb730b4be149eba@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Elton

Here is my list of the 5 (possible) falls so far;
http://jensenmeteorites.com/New%20meteorites.htm


Mike

--
Mike Jensen Meteorites
16730 E Ada PL
Aurora, CO 80017-3137
USA
720-949-6220
IMCA 4264
website: www.jensenmeteorites.com


On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 8:37 AM, Mr EMan <mstreman53 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Anyone have a list of falls so far this year?
> Elton
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From eric at meteoritewatch.com  Wed Aug 13 11:05:57 2008
From: eric at meteoritewatch.com (Eric Wichman)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 08:05:57 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA Sale,
	Nice Bassikounou H5 Slices & End Cut Plus Mesosiderite
In-Reply-To: <mailman.40.1218556963.78171.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
References: <mailman.40.1218556963.78171.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <48A2F855.2040201@meteoritewatch.com>

Hi All,

Have some items on sale right now. I've cut the Bassikounou H5 and have 
some nice slices available.

BASSIKOUNOU H5 Slices & End Cut - $3.50/g or Take All For $3.05/g
13.4g - Part Slice w/ fusion crusted edge
9.9g - Part Slice w/ fusion crusted edge
14.0g - Part Slice w/ fusion crusted edge
82.1g - Part Slice w/ fusion crusted edge
82.4g - Part Slice w/ fusion crusted edge
181.0g - End Cut 80% crusted w/polished and sliced face

Also I have some nice full and part slices of NWA XXX.

Mesosiderite - (sanded & polished) $2.40/g - Take All for $1.89/g
6.4g  - End Cut
6.6g  - End Cut
3.9g - Part slice
10.5g - End Cut
7.7g - End Cut
1.7g - Part Slice
6.5g - End Cut
5.7g - Whole Piece
3.8g - Whole Piece
2.7g - Whole Piece

NWA XXX [U3] - Quality Slices (some sanded & polished) .10/g to .40/g

LOTS OF PIECES TO CHOOSE FROM

NWA XXX (UNWA) Whole Individual Stones & Lots - .06/g to .21/g (minimum 
2 kilos)

Let me know... Photos upon request...

Can ship today, if you pay by Paypal.

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA
www.meteoritesusa.com
904-236-5394 Office
909-697-6577 Mobile


From cynapse at charter.net  Wed Aug 13 11:08:53 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:08:53 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Here we go again
In-Reply-To: <20080812153751.UMIT6526.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>
References: <20080812153751.UMIT6526.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>
Message-ID: <but5a4d011pmtovfhmbmgamfimvqj7ne13@4ax.com>

Okay-- here's my question-- could an impact that leaves no crater cause global
(or large-fraction-of-the-global) forest fires?  My idea of what causes firest
fires in large impacts-- like Chixalub (sp? too lazy to look it up this morning)
is molten "splash" launched from the-- wait for it-- crater.  Impactites and
tektites, if you will.  


http://www.thisiswesternmorningnews.co.uk/news/Comet-strike-end-world-scenario/article-265193-detail/article.html

Comet strike would be cataclysmic

A DEVASTATING collision between the Earth and a wayward comet which wiped out
nearly every living thing across an entire continent will happen again and cost
millions of lives, a Westcountry scientist claims.

The three-mile wide comet, named Clovis after the fledgling North American
civilisation it drove to extinction, exploded in the atmosphere 13,000 years ago
with a force of 20 million megatons ? larger than a simultaneous blast by all
the nuclear weapons in history, says Professor Chris Turney, of the University
of Exeter.

It left no impact crater but sparked the biggest wildfires in history, which
stretched across the continent and suffocated humans and animals with
overwhelming amounts of soot and smoke, leaving the few survivors with no
vegetation or prey to live on.

Fiery debris from the comet also melted huge portions of the ice sheet, which
drastically altered the planet's climate. Massive volumes of fresh water found
their way into the oceans and changed their currents, plunging the Earth into an
Ice Age for 1,000 years.

Although NASA is tracking up to 5,000 comets and asteroids throughout the Solar
System, of which 700 are over a mile wide, scientists say the vastness of space
means many inevitably have not been detected, and only one has to be on a
collision course with Earth to cause unprecedented carnage.

The theory is the subject of a new TV documentary on the History Channel at 8pm
tonight.

Speaking on the programme, Prof Turney, professor of physical geography at the
University of Exeter, said another large comet would cause unimaginable damage.

He said: "We're just starting to work out for a fact that comets are far more
frequent than we were led to believe.

"If it just exploded as an air burst, it would fry a city and basically just
destroy it. There would not really be much left at all, apart from a bit of
rubble.

"It would be the end of the world scenario for those people."

Experts believe the aftermath of such an impact would accelerate global warming
and cause the destruction of large areas of coastline around the world as sea
levels rose.

Prof Turney said the Clovis explosion caused the largest forest fires ever seen.

"It would have been a very strange place with charcoal and dust everywhere on
the surface where these fires had gone through," he said.

Prof Turney said it was only pure chance the famous Tunguska Event, a meteorite
which exploded above Siberia exactly 100 years ago, destroyed a remote area of
forest instead of heavily populated cities like London, Paris or New York.

"Had it entered the atmosphere a few hours earlier, it would have hit Western
Europe, potentially costing millions of lives," he said.

"If the comet of Tunguska had actually exploded over London, it would have
caused widespread devastation.

"We were just incredibly fortunate that this thing exploded over Siberia. It was
a total fluke."

The Tunguska meteorite was just 165ft in diameter, compared with the three-mile
wide Clovis comet.

Clovis archaeological sites across North America show a two-inch "carbon mat" in
the rock dating back 13,000 years, indicating huge amounts of soot in the
atmosphere, as well as elements like iridium, which is brought to Earth from
space.

At the time, much of the continent was covered by forests and vast grasslands,
enabling wildfires to spread uncontrollably.

Huge shockwaves from the explosion started hurricane-force winds which fanned
the flames at incredible speeds across the land.

As the soot fell onto the ice sheet, the darker material absorbed more sunlight
which melted the ice and forced fresh water into the oceans, sending global
temperatures plunging by 5C to 10C.

Prehistoric Megastorms: Comet Storm is on the History Channel at 8pm tonight.

From grf2 at verizon.net  Wed Aug 13 11:32:36 2008
From: grf2 at verizon.net (Jerry)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:32:36 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Here we go again
In-Reply-To: <but5a4d011pmtovfhmbmgamfimvqj7ne13@4ax.com>
References: <20080812153751.UMIT6526.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>
	<but5a4d011pmtovfhmbmgamfimvqj7ne13@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <530B498AD704464284CB839CB878EAD6@Notebook>

The widespread "return" to the surface of the planet of countless molten 
rock debris which didn't attain escape velocity. That's one way. The heat 
genetated by a huge explosive blast either on the surface or in the 
atmosphere is at leastone more. There must be other options.
Jerry Flaherty
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darren Garrison" <cynapse at charter.net>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 11:08 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Here we go again


Okay-- here's my question-- could an impact that leaves no crater cause 
global
(or large-fraction-of-the-global) forest fires?  My idea of what causes 
firest
fires in large impacts-- like Chixalub (sp? too lazy to look it up this 
morning)
is molten "splash" launched from the-- wait for it-- crater.  Impactites and
tektites, if you will.


http://www.thisiswesternmorningnews.co.uk/news/Comet-strike-end-world-scenario/article-265193-detail/article.html

Comet strike would be cataclysmic

A DEVASTATING collision between the Earth and a wayward comet which wiped 
out
nearly every living thing across an entire continent will happen again and 
cost
millions of lives, a Westcountry scientist claims.

The three-mile wide comet, named Clovis after the fledgling North American
civilisation it drove to extinction, exploded in the atmosphere 13,000 years 
ago
with a force of 20 million megatons - larger than a simultaneous blast by 
all
the nuclear weapons in history, says Professor Chris Turney, of the 
University
of Exeter.

It left no impact crater but sparked the biggest wildfires in history, which
stretched across the continent and suffocated humans and animals with
overwhelming amounts of soot and smoke, leaving the few survivors with no
vegetation or prey to live on.

Fiery debris from the comet also melted huge portions of the ice sheet, 
which
drastically altered the planet's climate. Massive volumes of fresh water 
found
their way into the oceans and changed their currents, plunging the Earth 
into an
Ice Age for 1,000 years.

Although NASA is tracking up to 5,000 comets and asteroids throughout the 
Solar
System, of which 700 are over a mile wide, scientists say the vastness of 
space
means many inevitably have not been detected, and only one has to be on a
collision course with Earth to cause unprecedented carnage.

The theory is the subject of a new TV documentary on the History Channel at 
8pm
tonight.

Speaking on the programme, Prof Turney, professor of physical geography at 
the
University of Exeter, said another large comet would cause unimaginable 
damage.

He said: "We're just starting to work out for a fact that comets are far 
more
frequent than we were led to believe.

"If it just exploded as an air burst, it would fry a city and basically just
destroy it. There would not really be much left at all, apart from a bit of
rubble.

"It would be the end of the world scenario for those people."

Experts believe the aftermath of such an impact would accelerate global 
warming
and cause the destruction of large areas of coastline around the world as 
sea
levels rose.

Prof Turney said the Clovis explosion caused the largest forest fires ever 
seen.

"It would have been a very strange place with charcoal and dust everywhere 
on
the surface where these fires had gone through," he said.

Prof Turney said it was only pure chance the famous Tunguska Event, a 
meteorite
which exploded above Siberia exactly 100 years ago, destroyed a remote area 
of
forest instead of heavily populated cities like London, Paris or New York.

"Had it entered the atmosphere a few hours earlier, it would have hit 
Western
Europe, potentially costing millions of lives," he said.

"If the comet of Tunguska had actually exploded over London, it would have
caused widespread devastation.

"We were just incredibly fortunate that this thing exploded over Siberia. It 
was
a total fluke."

The Tunguska meteorite was just 165ft in diameter, compared with the 
three-mile
wide Clovis comet.

Clovis archaeological sites across North America show a two-inch "carbon 
mat" in
the rock dating back 13,000 years, indicating huge amounts of soot in the
atmosphere, as well as elements like iridium, which is brought to Earth from
space.

At the time, much of the continent was covered by forests and vast 
grasslands,
enabling wildfires to spread uncontrollably.

Huge shockwaves from the explosion started hurricane-force winds which 
fanned
the flames at incredible speeds across the land.

As the soot fell onto the ice sheet, the darker material absorbed more 
sunlight
which melted the ice and forced fresh water into the oceans, sending global
temperatures plunging by 5C to 10C.

Prehistoric Megastorms: Comet Storm is on the History Channel at 8pm 
tonight.
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From bristolia at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 13 12:44:12 2008
From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:44:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] =?utf-8?q?New_PNAS_Paper_About_Firestone?=
 =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=99s_Impact_Hypothesis?=
Message-ID: <972799.97711.qm@web36202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The paper is:

Buchanan, B., M. Collard, and K. Edinborough, 2008, 
Paleoindian demography and the extraterrestrial impact 
hypothesis. Proceedings of the National Academy of
Sciences. Published online before print August 12, 
2008, doi: 10.1073/pnas.0803762105

The abstract is at 

http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2008/08/11/0803762105.abstract

Jaconson et al. (1987) did a study of the rate at which the 
vegetation of North America changed during the last 15,000
years. They found from the examination of sevreal well-dated 
and continuous paleovegetational records that there were
only three major periods of rapid vegetational change in the 
northeast Midwest and southeast United States during this 
time. None of them correspond to the time of Firestone?s 
hypothesized impact. There is a complete lack of any 
evidence of significant vegetation changes in the 
paleovegetation records from numerous lake cores for 
Firestone?s hypothesized impacts. These times are shown 
as green lines in Figure 4 at:

http://www.hallofmaat.com/images/004Fig.jpg

Given the claims made for the size, magnitude, and
devastation of his hypothesize impact, the complete lack of 
any significant effect, which can be seen the paleovegetational
records in cores from any of numerous lakes within the 
Midwestern and eastern North America, as summarized
by Jaconson et al. (1987), raises the same questions about
Firestone?s hypothesis that the analysis of radiocarbon
dates by Buchanan et al. (2008) does.

References cited:

Jacobson, George L., Jr., Webb, Thompson, III, and Grimm, 
Eric E., 1987, Patterns and rates of vegetational change 
during the deglaciation of North America. in W. F. Ruddiman 
and H. E. Wright, Jr., eds., pp. 277-287. North America 
Adjacent Oceans During the Last Deglaciation. The Geology 
of North America. vol. K-3. Geological Society of America, 
Boulder, Colorado.
Yours, 

Paul H.


      

From AJSnyder at cox.net  Wed Aug 13 13:11:10 2008
From: AJSnyder at cox.net (Jay & Annette)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:11:10 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] 2008 Perseid Maximum approaching
References: <DIIE.0000009400002F37@paulinet.de>
Message-ID: <E440AAB23E3F4145B290F3578736CE36@YOUR1DE5B2D024>

Hello List and Bernd,

For the skies over the greater Las Vegas area they were perfect.  I was 
above the 6000' ft area
at Mt. Charleston, NV. from 2215 until 0415 and witnessed 240 meteors, 
falling from all directions.
Most of them from the radiant, but a few came from behind me, not to mention 
the far extreme
sides, towards the horizon.  The shower peaked right on schedule about 0200 
here, with a maximum
of 67 meteors falling from 0200 to 0300hrs.  Overall the weather was clear, 
a cool 56 degrees and I also had two
cameras pointed at the sky.  I used my two trusty Olympus OM-1/(n) with 
traditional KodaChrome 200
and also Fuji Sensia 400 slide film and will have the results shortly.  In 
2005 I used the same set-up and caught
three Perseids on film in which I was quite pleased with.  I moved the 
cameras to several points throughout
the sky after a few minutes of "open shutter".  Now if I can just rid of 
this aching stiff neck.....

Jason Snyder


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bernd.pauli at paulinet.de>
To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 6:31 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] 2008 Perseid Maximum approaching


> Hello Listees and Listoids,
>
> I'm getting ready for this year's Perseids here. I've just loaded my good, 
> old
> Canon AE1-Pr from pre-digital times with an ISO 1000 color reversal film
> and am now hoping for better weather conditions (it's cloudy and overcast
> at the moment). The camera is mounted on a tripod and I' m going to try
> exposures between 20 seconds and 1 minute - more eposure time is out of
> the question because our suburban sky is severely light-polluted :-(
>
> The maximum is supposed to be in the early afternoon hours of August 12th 
> for
> Central Europe, about sunrise time in the Eastern part of the US and about 
> three
> o'clock a.m. for Arizona - so get ready for very favorable conditions in 
> the Far
> West.
>
> Here in Europe, the best time to observe and photograph the Perseids will 
> be
> tomorrow morning (August 12) after moonset at about one o'clock a.m. and 
> also
> tomorrow night (August 13) after the Moon sets at about 2 o'clock.
>
> I will point my camera again toward the constellation Cygnus because I 
> succeeded
> in photographing two Perseids shooting through the Swan some years ago and 
> this
> constellation is far enough away from the shower's radiant point in 
> northern Perseus.
>
> By the way, against all odds, I also succeeded in taking one picture of 
> the partial
> solar eclipse on Friday, August 1. It was very cloudy here but right 
> during mid-
> eclipse (ca. 20% for my location) I was able to glimpse the sun for a 
> brief moment,
> held my digital camera to the eyepiece of my C-90 and took the shot :-)
>
> Happy Viewing
> of the Perseids
> everywhere,
>
> Bernd
>
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From p.marmet at sunrise.ch  Wed Aug 13 13:43:48 2008
From: p.marmet at sunrise.ch (Peter Marmet)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:43:48 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Stunning New Eucrite!
Message-ID: <6225B916-6F83-4D74-8955-BCA30529F86F@sunrise.ch>

Hello All,

I just added a stunning new eucrite to my Meteorite Sale Page:

http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/id41.html

It's NWA 5230, a maskelynite rich polymict eucrite breccia! Analized  
by Tony Irwing, who writes:
"We made a discovery of a small mesodiderite clast in it. This is an  
important observation that adds
to the growing evidence for a common parent body for HEDDO and  MESO  
meteorites!
NWA 5230 is paired with NWA 4883. TKW is 909 g.

More meteorites for sale:

Chondrites:  http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/id1.html

Carbonaceous chondrites:  http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/id43.html

Museum pieces:
http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/id26.html
http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/id25.html

Thank you,
Peter

Peter Marmet
Bern, Switzerland
IMCA #2747
p.marmet at mysunrise.ch
http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/

From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Wed Aug 13 14:01:17 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 13 Aug 2008 18:01:17 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] =?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=27s_Stunning_New_Eucrite_NW?=
	=?iso-8859-1?q?A_5230_paired_with_the_Hup=E9s=27_NWA_4883?=
Message-ID: <DIIE.000000A500002F69@paulinet.de>

http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/id41.html

Peter writes:

"It's NWA 5230, a maskelynite rich polymict eucrite breccia! Analized  
by Tony Irwing, who writes: We made a discovery of a small mesodiderite
clast in it. This is an important observation that adds to the growing evidence
for a common parent body for HEDDO and  MESO meteorites! NWA 5230
is paired with NWA 4883. TKW is 909 g."


Yes, that's right. NWA 5230 and NWA 4883 (11.9 gram slice in my collection)
are spectacular eucrites and not only because of the discovery of a small MESO
clast in NWA 5230. Here is a description of my NWA 4883 slice:

Endcut with a tan-colored crust + traces of glossy fusion crust. Highly shocked
maskelynite-rich, dense and complex eucrite breccia. TKW 610 gr. Purchased
from Greg Hup?, Dec 12-2007. The specimen has limpid pale bluish to colorless
maskelynite crystals - some even protrude from the exterior of the stone and there
are clasts of both cumulate and basaltic eucrites. An exotic feature (even visible all
over the crust!): elongated, acicular (augite?) crystals, average length 0.7 mm but
some longer than 1 mm and some are arranged in a star-like pattern.
Stefan Brandes likened this to a cosmic spider web. Troilite is present in some places.
A medium-gray angular lithic clast measures 5.5 mm in longest dimension. There are
a few tiny specks of Ni-free metal. One translucent maskelynite crystal (0.9 mm)
contains numerous tiny rice-grain-like milky-white crystals (length ca. 0.05 mm).


Eucritically Yours,

Bernd




From korotev at wustl.edu  Wed Aug 13 14:39:43 2008
From: korotev at wustl.edu (Randy Korotev)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:39:43 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] A question about an iron fleck in NWA 2977
 Lunar
In-Reply-To: <20080812232600.45yfm9vnh7kk80ow@w3mail.univ-mulhouse.fr>
References: <bdf.38563e08.35cf772a@aol.com>
	<200808102029.m7AKTrn20386@levee.wustl.edu>
	<20080812232600.45yfm9vnh7kk80ow@w3mail.univ-mulhouse.fr>
Message-ID: <200808131838.m7DIcsn04900@levee.wustl.edu>

Dear Zelimir:

Schreibersite (an iron-nickel phosphide) occurs 
in iron meteorites and it also occurs in some 
lunar impact-melt breccias, particularly those 
from Apollo 16.  There is evidence that a subset 
of the Apollo 16 impact-melt breccias was formed 
by impact of an iron meteorite (the breccias 
contain 0.5-2.0% metal, which is quite a lot), so 
it is no surprise that the breccias contain 
schreibersite associated with metal blebs.

I should emphasize that the metal was melted and 
part of the mainly-silicate impact melt.  The 
metal resolidified as tiny blebs as the melt 
cooled.  So, the breccias do not actually contain 
"fragments" of iron meteorite.  The silicate melt 
was moderately rich in phosphorous, so it's been 
argued that most of the P in lunar schreibersite 
is from the Moon whereas the Fe and Ni are from 
the impactor.  Schreibersite can only form under 
reducing conditions, like on the Moon.

NWA 5000 is the only lunar meteorite of which I'm 
aware for which schreibersite has been reported 
(A. Irving and S. Kuehner, in MetBull writeup):

http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?sea=nwa+5000&sfor=names&ants=&falls=&stype=contains&lrec=50&map=ge&browse=&country=All&srt=name&categ=All&mblist=All&phot=&snew=0&pnt=no&code=45986

That's no surprise because NWA 5000 is loaded 
with FeNi metal of meteoritic origin (that is, 
ASTEROIDAL meteoritic origin).  Another lunar 
meteorite where I might expect schreibersite is 
NWA 4936 because that meteorite is a (and the 
only) compositional match to Apollo 16 soil, 
including high concentrations of siderophile 
(metal-loving) elements like Ni, Ir, and Au.  I 
suspect the meteorite comes from near the Apollo 
16 site and, therefore, likely contains a small 
component of the same iron meteorite that is 
found in Apollo 16 rocks and soil.

The NWA 773 clan of meteorites is one of the last 
places I'd expect schreibersite because the 
breccia portions that we've analyzed are low in 
Ir and, we infer, low in metal.   But, FeNi metal 
has been observed in NWA 773, so I can imagine 
that if one looks hard enough, there may be some schreibersite.

As it turns out, I was unaware of NWA 3186 until 
your message.  I checked with Ted Bunch, who 
classified the stone and submitted the writeup to 
the Nomenclature Committee (not A. Greshake).  I 
just added the stone to my lunar meteorite list, 
along with a great photo taken by Stefan Ralew 
and Martin Altmann (I hope they don't mind!).

http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/stones/nwa0773.htm

I don't know whether schreibersite in lunar 
meteorites differs in composition from schreibersite in OC's.

Randy Korotev



At 16:26 12-08-08 Tuesday, you wrote:
>Dear Randy & list,
>
>Randy, I fully appreciated your very explicit statement regarding
>metallic phases in lunars.
>This is actually important and fundamental regarding the orgin of
>metal or the history of lunar meteorites (and other) and I am
>surprised of the lack of reactions.
>
>I have here a comment and a couple of questions
>
>Comment:
>
>I recently got (from the team Altmann/Ralew - Chladni'd Heirs) 2 small
>pieces of NWA 3186, still not officially approved by the NomCom but
>said to be a lunar olivine gabbro (classified by Greshake in Berlin)
>and suspected (at least by me but also by others) to be probably
>paired with NWA 773, 2727, 3333 and possibly the others ofthe series.
>The texture (from the sections cut and polished on my 0.753 g and
>1.132 g fragments) fully resembles the pics shown on your link.
>
>Well I carefully examined these sections under a simple 40x
>magnification (binocular with light oriented so as to have metallic
>reflexions favored). On the largest section (1.132 g piece) I clearly
>detected an about 0.3 mm Schreibersite area, possibly along with a
>couple of 10 times smaller such spots).
>This schreibersite (identified visually, thus through its special
>color/shade, by comparison with the same mineral observed on many
>other meteorite sections) is observed on the black breccia surface
>portion (about 60%, the other 40% being almost pure olivine as in the
>paired NWA's).
>I neither observed more schreibersite on the other piece, nor on my
>0.277 g NWA 2977 slice (pure "olivine"-like texture), nor on any other
>of my other 14 lunar samples.
>
>On examining all my lunar samples, just DAG 400 (lunar anorthosic
>breccia) clearly showed about 30-35 very tiny metallic spots
>(contamination totally excluded), that have the usual typical shade of
>the Fe,Ni metallic spots in most meteorites (steel-gray).
>
>2 small questions:
>
>- Did you ever observe screibersite domains on lunar meteorites (won't
>be a surprise if schreibersite originates from the impactor) and, if
>so, would the (Fe,NI,Co) phosphide be also be richer in Ni than, say,
>schreibersite found on other oc's ?
>
>- Speculating that you for sure well know that NWA 3186, could you
>confirm it is also be paired with the others mentioned above ?
>
>Thanks much for any comment or answer.
>
>Best wishes to all,
>
>Zelimir
>
>
>Randy Korotev <korotev at wustl.edu> a ??crit? :
>
>>Dear Tom:
>>
>>All brecciated lunar meteorites contain some FeNi metal (<<1%), but you
>>may have to look hard in some.  (In others, like NWA 5000, you don't
>>have to look hard at all.)  The metal derives from impacts of
>>asteroidal meteorites with the Moon.  If the meteorite is an
>>impact-melt breccia, the metal probably melted and resolidified on the
>>Moon.  Regolith breccias, on the other hand, may contain FeNi metal
>>that hasn't been highly reprocessed.
>>
>>http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/stones/nwa0773.htm
>>
>>NWA 2977, however, isn't a breccia.  It's an igneous rock (a cumulate
>>olivine gabbro), if your sample is like mine.  Lunar igneous rocks
>>contain very small amounts of metal, but the metal is indigenous to the
>>Moon and doesn't have the composition of meteoritic metal.  I see that
>>one report on NWA 733 (almost-for-sure a pair to NWA 2977) did mention
>>"grains of Fe,Ni metal also occur in residual pockets but are rare."
>>Another says "Metal grains occur in very small masses with troilite and
>>are Ni-rich (55.5 wt.% Ni, 40.9% Fe, 1.5% Co, 0.03% P)."  That
>>composition isn't meteoritic (in meteorites, the Ni/Co ratio is nearly
>>always in the 10-24 range).
>>
>>When you say "The thin [section] is polished to 1/4 micron," do you
>>mean the section is only 1/4 micron thick (amazing!) or the final
>>polish was done with 1/4 micron abrasive?  In a standard thin section
>>(30-35 microns), metal is totally opaque, so I don't see how it shows
>>up in polarized light (?)  How does it look in reflected light?
>>
>>Sincerely,
>>Randy Korotev
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>At 17:41 09-08-08, you wrote:
>>>Hi list,  I had a question about an iron  fleck I found in a thin section of
>>>NWA 2977 Lunar.  Jim Strope sent it to  me.
>>>
>>>I plan to use this as next months Meteorite Times Micro Vision and  want to
>>>be accurate.
>>>
>>>The thin is polished to 1/4 micron.  This  sometimes has the same effect as
>>>etching but on a much finer scale.  I have  observed it in other
>>>materials that
>>>get this kind of polish.
>>>
>>>There is a  fleck of iron in this material.  In this fleck is what
>>>looks like
>>>micro  Widmanstatten pattern.
>>>
>>>Can this pattern be called  Widmanstatten?  If not, are the creation
>>>processes the same as with full  sized Widmanstatten?  How would it
>>>  be still present
>>>in a lunar?  Could  the pattern survive a meteor collision with the moon and
>>>not be heated to the  point of destruction?
>>>
>>>I would like to email micrographs to any one who is  interested or, even
>>>better, might have the answers.
>>>
>>>The images are taken  in incident cross polarized light and I am using a
>>>Glan/Thompson style polarizer  that allows me near total
>>>extinction.  I pull up
>>>the changes in the pattern  by slight rotation of the polarizer.  The
>>>magnification of these images is  1600X.
>>>
>>>Thanks,  Tom Phillips
>>
>>______________________________________________
>>http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>Meteorite-list mailing list
>>Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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>


From bristolia at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 13 16:02:20 2008
From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:02:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] OT Humor The CERN Rap or Quantum Physicists Gone
	Wild :-) :-)
Message-ID: <304178.77214.qm@web36203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

CERN Rap by Will Barras at

http://www.vimeo.com/1431471?pg=embed&sec=1431471

Yours,

Paul H.


      

From arn1200 at Comcast.net  Wed Aug 13 16:59:45 2008
From: arn1200 at Comcast.net (Ken Regelman)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:59:45 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Test delete
Message-ID: <002601c8fd87$864d6310$0802a8c0@ARN>

Test 
Nothing since 8/11/08 

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http://www.meteorites4sale.net/
WA0FAA

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From: MoritzKarl at t-online.de (MoritzKarl at t-online.de)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 01:44:35 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: ebay auctions ending in 1 day
Message-ID: <1KTQ15-2AWUPQ0@fwd24.aul.t-online.de>

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From cynapse at charter.net  Wed Aug 13 22:55:08 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 22:55:08 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Yarkovsky Smirnoff-- "In Soviet Russia,
	asteroid belts you!"
In-Reply-To: <304178.77214.qm@web36203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <304178.77214.qm@web36203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2i77a45a1nso3u375hd80b87pr5f9nq1d4@4ax.com>

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/meteorites-0813.html

MIT solves puzzle of meteorite-asteroid link
New analysis makes it possible to 'know our enemy'

David Chandler, MIT News Office
August 13, 2008

For the last few years, astronomers have faced a puzzle: The vast majority of
asteroids that come near the Earth are of a type that matches only a tiny
fraction of the meteorites that most frequently hit our planet.

Since meteorites are mostly pieces of asteroids, this discrepancy was hard to
explain, but a team from MIT and other institutions has now found what it
believes is the answer to the puzzle. The smaller rocks that most often fall to
Earth, it seems, come straight in from the main asteroid belt out between Mars
and Jupiter, rather than from the near-Earth asteroid (NEA) population.

The puzzle gradually emerged from a long-term study of the properties of
asteroids carried out by MIT professor of planetary science Richard Binzel and
his students, along with postdoctoral researcher P. Vernazza, who is now with
the European Space Agency, and A.T. Tokunaga, director of the University of
Hawaii's Institute of Astronomy.

By studying the spectral signatures of near-Earth asteroids, they were able to
compare them with spectra obtained on Earth from the thousands of meteorites
that have been recovered from falls. But the more they looked, the more they
found that most NEAs -- about two-thirds of them -- match a specific type of
meteorites called LL chondrites, which only represent about 8 percent of
meteorites. How could that be?

"Why do we see a difference between the objects hitting the ground and the big
objects whizzing by?" Binzel asks. "It's been a headscratcher." As the effect
became gradually more and more noticeable as more asteroids were analyzed, "we
finally had a big enough data set that the statistics demanded an answer. It
could no longer be just a coincidence."

Way out in the main belt, the population is much more varied, and approximates
the mix of types that is found among meteorites. But why would the things that
most frequently hit us match this distant population better than it matches the
stuff that's right in our neighborhood? That's where the idea emerged of a fast
track all the way from the main belt to a "splat!" on Earth's surface.

This fast track, it turns out, is caused by an obscure effect that was
discovered long ago, but only recently recognized as a significant factor in
moving asteroids around, called the Yarkovsky effect.

The Yarkovsky effect causes asteroids to change their orbits as a result of the
way they absorb the sun's heat on one side and radiate it back later as they
rotate around. This causes a slight imbalance that slowly, over time, alters the
object's path. But the key thing is this: The effect acts much more strongly on
the smallest objects, and only weakly on the larger ones.

"We think the Yarkovsky effect is so efficient for meter-size objects that it
can operate on all regions of the asteroid belt," not just its inner edge,
Binzel says.

Thus, for chunks of rock from boulder-size on down -- the kinds of things that
end up as typical meteorites -- the Yarkovsky effect plays a major role, moving
them with ease from throughout the asteroid belt on to paths that can head
toward Earth. For larger asteroids a kilometer or so across, the kind that we
worry about as potential threats to the Earth, the effect is so weak it can only
move them small amounts.

Binzel's study concludes that the largest near-Earth asteroids mostly come from
the asteroid belt's innermost edge, where they are part of a specific "family"
thought to all be remnants of a larger asteroid that was broken apart by
collisions. With an initial nudge from the Yarkovsky effect, kilometer-sized
asteroids from the Flora region can find themselves "over the edge" of the
asteroid belt and sent on a path to Earth's vicinity through the perturbing
effects of the planets called resonances.

The new study is also good news for protecting the planet. One of the biggest
problems in figuring out how to deal with an approaching asteroid, if and when
one is discovered on a potential collision course, is that they are so varied.
The best way of dealing with one kind might not work on another.

But now that this analysis has shown that the majority of near-Earth asteroids
are of this specific type -- stony objects, rich in the mineral olivine and poor
in iron -- it's possible to concentrate most planning on dealing with that kind
of object, Binzel says. "Odds are, an object we might have to deal with would be
like an LL chondrite, and thanks to our samples in the laboratory, we can
measure its properties in detail," he says. "It's the first step toward 'know
thy enemy'."

The research is being reported this week in the journal Nature. In addition to
Binzel, Vernazza and Tokunaga, the co-authors are MIT graduate students
Christina Thomas and Francesca DeMeo, S.J. Bus of the University of Hawaii, and
A.S. Rivkin of Johns Hopkins University. The work was supported by NASA and the
NSF.

From cynapse at charter.net  Wed Aug 13 23:17:08 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:17:08 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Documentary on Martian life
In-Reply-To: <1KTQ15-2AWUPQ0@fwd24.aul.t-online.de>
References: <1KTQ15-2AWUPQ0@fwd24.aul.t-online.de>
Message-ID: <0t87a4pbqgjj9c3jh7tmu6tkpd6k41jqen@4ax.com>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxQVaHbqvTI&feature=related

From bristolia at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 13 23:21:14 2008
From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:21:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Re Here We Go Again About Terminal Plesitocene
	Impact
Message-ID: <466257.84979.qm@web36201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

In http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2008-August/046148.html ,
Darren Garrison noted the article ?Comet strike would be cataclysmic? at:

http://www.thisiswesternmorningnews.co.uk/news/Comet-strike-end-world-scenario/article-265193-detail/article.html

The article states:

?Fiery debris from the comet also melted 
huge portions of the ice sheet, which
drastically altered the planet's climate. 
Massive volumes of fresh water found
their way into the oceans and changed 
their currents, plunging the Earth into 
an Ice Age for 1,000 years.?

It is interesting to note that Dyke (2004) made a detailed study of 
the deglaciation of North America. As a part of this study, he 
constructed and published in this paper a series of detailed 
paleogeographic maps showing the extent of ice starting at 18,000 
C14 BP and ending at 5,000 C14 BP. for time periods ranging from 
500 to 100 years. 

From calculating ice volumes using these paleogeographic
maps Dyke (2004) states:

?The world?s largest ice sheet complex lost 
<10% of its area prior to 14 ka BP. It then 
retreated nearly linearly until 7 ka BP, by 
which time only 10% of the area remained
more glaciated than today. This linear 
reduction of area, as currently understood, 
was interrupted by two events: a reduced 
rate of recession during the later half of the
Younger Dryas, and an increased rate as ice 
was clearing from Hudson Bay (Fig. 5). 
These events are clearer when plotted on 
the calendar time scale, because the 
radiocarbon time scale abbreviates the 
duration of the impact of the Younger Dryas 
effect in North America (Fig. 5b).?

At the beginning of the Younger Dryas, Dyke (2004) shows a lack 
of any abrupt increase in the retreat (melting) of the North American 
ice sheet. So far, the proponents of this theory have provided  a 
single shred of evidence that massive melting of the ice sheets, as 
described in the newspaper article, actually occurred. 

There is significance evidence of the discharge of large amounts 
of freshwater from either Lake Agassiz, the melting of the Keewatin 
ice dome, or combination of both sufficient to shut down 
thermohaline circulation within the Atlantic Ocean, i.e. Alley (2000), 
Broecker (2003), and Tarasov and Peltier (2006). The water 
contained by Lake Agassiz was already there and was simply 
released, not created, abruptly.

References:

Alley, R.B., 2000, The Younger Dryas cold interval as 
viewed from central Greenland. Quaternary Science 
Reviews. vol. 19, no. 1-5, pp. 213-226.

Broecker, W.S., 2003, Does the Trigger for Abrupt 
Climate Change Reside in the Ocean or in the Atmosphere? 
Science. vol. 300, pp. 1519-1522.

Dyke, 2004 A.S. Dyke, An outline of North American 
deglaciation with emphasis on central and northern Canada. 
In: J. Ehlers and P.L. Gibbard, EDS., pp. 373?424, 
Quaternary Glaciations?Extent and Chronology, Part II 
vol. 2b, Elsevier, Amsterdam.

Tarasov , L., and W.R. Peltier, 2005, A calibrated deglacial 
drainage chronology for the North American continent: 
evidence of an Arctic trigger for the Younger Dryas. 
Quaternary Science Reviews. vol. 25, pp. 659?688

Also, look at:

States and Stability of Climate System, PDF file at:

http://www.iac.ethz.ch/education/bachelor/climate_systems/notizen/Climate-States-and-Stability.pdf.

The newspaper article also stated:

?It left no impact crater but sparked the 
biggest wildfires in history, which stretched
 across the continent and suffocated humans 
and animals with overwhelming amounts 
of soot and smoke, leaving the few survivors 
with no vegetation or prey to live on.

The just published paper, which I mention in my previous post
comments on this claims. The paper is;

Buchanan, B., M. Collard, and K. Edinborough, 2008,
Paleoindian demography and the extraterrestrial impact
hypothesis. Proceedings of the National Academy of
Sciences. Published online before print August 12,
2008, doi: 10.1073/pnas.0803762105

http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2008/08/11/0803762105.abstract

They fnoted:

"Given that the ET impact is proposed to have 
occurred north of the Great Lakes, if the trough 
represents a population decline, there should be 
significantly fewer Paleoindian radiocarbon dates in 
northern latitudes during the second time period 
compared with the first and third time periods. 
This is not the case."

They concluded:

"The results of our analysis are consistent with recent 
comments by Pinter and Ishman (13) and Haynes (14). 
Pinter and Ishman reject Firestone et al.?s (1) claim 
that there was a devastating ET impact north of the 
Great Lakes at 12,900+/-100 calBP."

and

?The results of the analyses were not consistent 
with the predictions of extraterrestrial impact 
hypothesis. No evidence of a population decline 
among the Paleoindians at 12,900 ? 100 cal BP 
was found.?

Note:

"Pinter and Ishman (13)" = Pinter, N., and S. E. Ishman, 2007,
Impacts, mega-tsunami, and other extraordinary claims. GSA
Today. vol. 18, no. 1, pp. 37-38.

http://www.gsajournals.org/archive/1052-5173/18/1/pdf/i1052-5173-18-1-37.pdf

Also look at figure 4 at:

http://www.hallofmaat.com/images/004Fig.jpg

Notice there were three major periods of rapid vegetational change
in the northeast Midwest and southeast United States as indicated 
by the green lines, None of them correspond to Firestone?s 
hypothesized impact. There is a complete lack of any evidence in 
the paleovegetation records from numerous lake cores in these 
areas for Firestone?s hypothesized impacts. Given the claims 
made for the size, magnitude, and devastation of his hypothesize 
impact, it is impossible for entire ecosystems to have been 
devastated by continent-wide wildfires and not significantly changed
the vegetation in an abrupt manner  The lack of any apparent effect 
on vegetation in North America as illustrated by Jacobson et al. 
(1987) grossly contradicts, if not refutes, the geopoetry, which 
appears in this newspaper article, about continent-wide 
devastating wildfires.

References cited:

Jacobson, George L., Jr., Webb, Thompson, III, and Grimm, 
Eric E., 1987, Patterns and rates of vegetational change 
during the deglaciation of North America. in W. F. Ruddiman 
and H. E. Wright, Jr., eds., pp. 277-287. North America 
Adjacent Oceans During the Last Deglaciation. The Geology 
of North America. vol. K-3. Geological Society of America, 
Boulder, Colorado.

Yours,

Paul H.


      

From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Wed Aug 13 23:35:35 2008
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:35:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 14,
	2008
Message-ID: <31228149.663721218684935560.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_14_2008.html



From bristolia at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 13 23:59:48 2008
From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:59:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Articles on Impact Caused "megatsunami chevrons"
	and URL Correction
Message-ID: <489806.10965.qm@web36202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

First, I found a couple of very interesting articles about the
alleged "'megatsunami chevrons", which are argued to have
been caused by megatsunamis by  Dallas Abbott (at Lamont 
Doherty Earth Observatory) and her co-workers. The articles
are:

1. Some questions about the 'megatsunami-chevrons' at
http://zsylvester.blogspot.com/2008/03/some-questions-about-megatsunami.html

and 2. Some questions about the 'megatsunami chevrons': 
addendum at:

http://zsylvester.blogspot.com/2008/05/some-questions-about-megatsunami.html

in addition, one of the URLs does not work in my last post, 
"[meteorite-list] Re Here We Go Again About Terminal 
Pleistocene	Impact" at:

http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2008-August/046160.html

The URL for "States and Stability of Climate System", PDF file,
should be: 

http://www.iac.ethz.ch/education/bachelor/climate_systems/notizen/Climate-States-and-Stability.pdf

It discusses the Younger Dryas.

Yours,

Paul H.


      

From nwa482 at comcast.net  Thu Aug 14 07:40:23 2008
From: nwa482 at comcast.net (Jim Strope)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:40:23 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Ebay Auctions ending
Message-ID: <000201c8fe02$8aba8b50$0202a8c0@DJQVK441>

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From rockhoundm at abaconet.com.ar  Thu Aug 14 09:18:16 2008
From: rockhoundm at abaconet.com.ar (Eduardo.)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:18:16 -0300
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Ebay Auctions. Wold Cottage, Camel Donga,
	Zaklodzie, Portales	Valley
In-Reply-To: <000201c8fe02$8aba8b50$0202a8c0@DJQVK441>
Message-ID: <B0000031905@webmail.abaco.net.ar>

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From paul at meteorite.com  Thu Aug 14 12:13:07 2008
From: paul at meteorite.com (Paul Harris)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:13:07 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Harvey Nininger from 1975 - YouTube Video from Tim
	Heitz
In-Reply-To: <AE40D9C09DC746A1B0740328E1CA1D3D@den>
References: <AE40D9C09DC746A1B0740328E1CA1D3D@den>
Message-ID: <48A45993.4010802@meteorite.com>

Hello Everyone,

Tim is still having problems posting to the list so I'm posting for him.


> Harvey Nininger explaining occurences of meteorites - 1975
>
> http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=25lCod4tYRk&feature=email 
> <http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=25lCod4tYRk&feature=email>
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim Heitz
>
> Midwest Meteorites-http://www.meteorman.org/
>
>  
>
>  
>



From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 14 13:00:30 2008
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:00:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Holocene Start Impacts
Message-ID: <64713.51736.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Paul - 

Thanks for the note. Since I've had a stroke, detailed comment is beyond me. 

I have to agree with Charlie though:

http://www.hallofmaat.com/read.php?1,491005,491121#msg-4911217

"biggest pile of statiscal gooble-de-goo I've seen for a while"

What the archaeologists are looking at is the death of about 95% of the people living in North America at 10,900.

The transition is estimated to have occurred in 2 years. It would seem to me that as far as the pollen cores goes, it would appear that the variation that must be looked for in those cores is a very very small 2 year layer.
Same plants immediately before and after, just a small period of starvation in between.

My own bottom line is that the peoples remembered cometary impact, and the Shawnee multiple ones.  You can belittle those accounts as you will, but then you have to come up for another reason for their creation and the importance they were given.

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas


      

From mikewren at gilanet.com  Thu Aug 14 13:32:51 2008
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:32:51 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: A Spectacular Auction Run This Week! Over $5,
	000.00 worth of Meteorites, started at 0.99 cents...Highlights Added
Message-ID: <200808141136737.SM00496@yourfsyly0jtwn>



________________________________________
From: michael cottingham [mailto:mikewren at gilanet.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 11:31 AM
To: 'michael cottingham'
Subject: AD: A Spectacular Auction Run This Week! Over $5,000.00 worth of
Meteorites, started at 0.99 cents...Highlights Added

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Thanks and Best Wishes

Michael Cottingham














From chinaren76 at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 14 14:03:31 2008
From: chinaren76 at yahoo.com (Ma Lan)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:03:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Website updated
Message-ID: <272506.39290.qm@web52701.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hello List,

My website was updated. 

http://www.malanmeteorites.com

or,

http://www.chinameteorites.com

More contents (including many rare Chinese historical falls) and pics will be added when i have more free time. For people interested in Chinese meteorites, plz let me know you first. 

Thanks for looking.

Best to all,
Ma Lan
Beijing China
IMCA #8234


      

From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 14 13:47:01 2008
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:47:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Another Nininger moment
Message-ID: <353956.73277.qm@web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi all,  

Apparently, Nininger ascribed the Carolina Bays to impact in 1939:

http://www.hallofmaat.com/modules.php?name=Articles&file=article&sid=86

A hypothesis which was later picked up on by Otto Muck.

Thankfully, I had the 14C dates for these available for "Man and Impact in the Americas", and did not make that mistake.

The possibility still remains that all of these "bays" are the results of many different impact megatsunamis which occurred at other times.

However that may be, the disappearance of coastal cultures on the east coast of North America between 1150-1050 BCE is well documented. The Maya claimed it was due to an impact megatusnami, but then what did they know?

What will be interesting will be to see the results of the new USGS cores which are being made in the area

PS - I am bitter that we no longer have the Cambridge Conference working solely as a place to has out this data. I am still reeling from my stroke.)

good hunting all
E.P. Grondine 
Man and Impact in the Americas




      

From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Thu Aug 14 16:38:03 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:38:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] MIT Solves Puzzle of Meteorite-Asteroid Link
Message-ID: <200808142038.NAA16432@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Wednesday, August 13, 2008

Contact:
Teresa Herbert
MIT News Office
1-617-258-5403  . therbert at mit.edu

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/meteorites-0813.html

MIT solves puzzle of meteorite-asteroid link
-- New analysis makes it possible to 'know our enemy'

CAMBRIDGE, Mass. - For the last few years, astronomers have faced a
puzzle: The vast majority of asteroids that come near the Earth are of
a type that matches only a tiny fraction of the meteorites that most
frequently hit our planet.

Since meteorites are mostly pieces of asteroids, this discrepancy was
hard to explain, but a team from MIT and other institutions have now
found what they believe is the answer to the puzzle. The smaller rocks
that most often fall to Earth, it seems, come straight in from the
main asteroid belt out between Mars and Jupiter, rather than from the
near-Earth asteroid (NEA) population.

The research is reported in the August 14 issue of Nature.

The puzzle gradually emerged from a long-term study of the properties
of asteroids carried out by MIT professor of planetary science Richard
Binzel and his students, along with postdoctoral researcher P.
Vernazza, who is now with the European Space Agency, and A.T.
Tokunaga, director of the University of Hawaii's Institute of
Astronomy.

By studying the spectral signatures of near-Earth asteroids, they were
able to compare them with spectra obtained on Earth from the thousands
of meteorites that have been recovered from falls. But the more they
looked, the more they found that most NEAs - about two-thirds of them -
match a specific type of meteorites called LL chondrites, which only
represent about 8 percent of meteorites. How could that be?

"Why do we see a difference between the objects hitting the ground and
the big objects whizzing by?" Binzel asks. "It's been a
headscratcher." As the effect became gradually more and more
noticeable as more asteroids were analyzed, "we finally had a big
enough data set that the statistics demanded an answer. It could no
longer be just a coincidence."

Way out in the main belt, the population is much more varied, and
approximates the mix of types that is found among meteorites. But why
would the things that most frequently hit us match this distant
population better than it matches the stuff that's right in our
neighborhood? That's where the idea emerged of a fast track all the
way from the main belt to a "splat!" on Earth's surface.

This fast track, it turns out, is caused by an obscure effect that was
discovered long ago, but only recently recognized as a significant
factor in moving asteroids around, called the Yarkovsky effect.

The Yarkovsky effect causes asteroids to change their orbits as a
result of the way they absorb the sun's heat on one side and radiate
it back later as they rotate around. This causes a slight imbalance
that slowly, over time, alters the object's path. But the key thing is
this: The effect acts much more strongly on the smallest objects, and
only weakly on the larger ones.

"We think the Yarkovsky effect is so efficient for meter-size objects
that it can operate on all regions of the asteroid belt," not just its
inner edge, Binzel says.

Thus, for chunks of rock from boulder-size on down - the kinds of
things that end up as typical meteorites - the Yarkovsky effect plays
a major role, moving them with ease from throughout the asteroid belt
on to paths that can head toward Earth. For larger asteroids a
kilometer or so across, the kind that we worry about as potential
threats to the Earth, the effect is so weak it can only move them
small amounts.

Binzel's study concludes that the largest near-Earth asteroids mostly
come from the asteroid belt's innermost edge, where they are part of a
specific "family" thought to all be remnants of a larger asteroid that
was broken apart by collisions. With an initial nudge from the
Yarkovsky effect, kilometer-sized asteroids from the Flora region can
find themselves "over the edge" of the asteroid belt and sent on a
path to Earth's vicinity through the perturbing effects of the planets
called resonances.

The new study is also good news for protecting the planet. One of the
biggest problems in figuring out how to deal with an approaching
asteroid, if and when one is discovered on a potential collision
course, is that they are so varied. The best way of dealing with one
kind might not work on another.

But now that this analysis has shown that the majority of near-Earth
asteroids are of this specific type - stony objects, rich in the
mineral olivine and poor in iron - it's possible to concentrate most
planning on dealing with that kind of object, Binzel says. "Odds are,
an object we might have to deal with would be like an LL chondrite,
and thanks to our samples in the laboratory, we can measure its
properties in detail," he says. "It's the first step toward 'know thy
enemy'."

In addition to Binzel, Vernazza and Tokunaga, the co-authors are MIT
graduate students Christina Thomas and Francesca DeMeo, S.J. Bus of
the University of Hawaii, and A.S. Rivkin of Johns Hopkins University.
The work was supported by NASA and the NSF.

By David Chandler, MIT News Office


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Thu Aug 14 16:40:22 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:40:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Phoenix Microscope Takes First Image of Martian
	Dust Particle
Message-ID: <200808142040.NAA17451@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2008-158

Phoenix Microscope Takes First Image of Martian Dust Particle
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
August 14, 2008

TUCSON, Ariz. - NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander has taken the first-ever
image of a single particle of Mars' ubiquitous dust, using its atomic
force microscope.

The particle -- shown at higher magnification than anything ever seen
from another world -- is a rounded particle about one micrometer, or one
millionth of a meter, across. It is a speck of the dust that cloaks
Mars. Such dust particles color the Martian sky pink, feed storms that
regularly envelop the planet and produce Mars' distinctive red soil.

"This is the first picture of a clay-sized particle on Mars, and the
size agrees with predictions from the colors seen in sunsets on the Red
Planet," said Phoenix co-investigator Urs Staufer of the University of
Neuchatel, Switzerland, who leads a Swiss consortium that made the
microscope.

"Taking this image required the highest resolution microscope operated
off Earth and a specially designed substrate to hold the Martian dust,"
said Tom Pike, Phoenix science team member from Imperial College London.
"We always knew it was going to be technically very challenging to image
particles this small."

It took a very long time, roughly a dozen years, to develop the device
that is operating in a polar region on a planet now about 350 million
kilometers or 220 million miles away.

The atomic force microscope maps the shape of particles in three
dimensions by scanning them with a sharp tip at the end of a spring.
During the scan, invisibly fine particles are held by a series of pits
etched into a substrate microfabricated from a silicon wafer. Pike's
group at Imperial College produced these silicon microdiscs.

The atomic force microscope can detail the shapes of particles as small
as about 100 nanometers, about one one-thousandth the width of a human
hair. That is about 100 times greater magnification than seen with
Phoenix's optical microscope, which made its first images of Martian
soil about two months ago. Until now, Phoenix's optical microscope held
the record for producing the most highly magnified images to come from
another planet.

"I'm delighted that this microscope is producing images that will help
us understand Mars at the highest detail ever," Staufer said. "This is
proof of the microscope's potential. We are now ready to start doing
scientific experiments that will add a new dimension to measurements
being made by other Phoenix lander instruments."

"After this first success, we're now working on building up a portrait
gallery of the dust on Mars," Pike added.

Mars' ultra-fine dust is the medium that actively links gases in the
Martian atmosphere to processes in Martian soil, so it is critically
important to understanding Mars' environment, the researchers said.

The particle seen in the atomic force microscope image was part of a
sample scooped by the robotic arm from the "Snow White" trench and
delivered to Phoenix's microscope station in early July. The microscope
station includes the optical microscope, the atomic force microscope and
the sample delivery wheel. It is part of a suite of tools called
Phoenix's Microscopy, Electrochemistry and Conductivity Analyzer.

The Phoenix mission is led by Peter Smith from the University of Arizona
with project management at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena,
Calif., and development partnership at Lockheed Martin, Denver.
International contributions come from the Canadian Space Agency; the
University of Neuchatel; the universities of Copenhagen and Aarhus in
Denmark; the Max Planck Institute in Germany; and the Finnish
Meteorological Institute. The California Institute of Technology in
Pasadena manages JPL for NASA.

The latest Phoenix images and information are at

http://www.nasa.gov/phoenix http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Media contacts: Guy Webster 818-354-6278
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
guy.webster at jpl.nasa.gov

Dwayne Brown 202-358-1726
NASA Headquarters, Washington
dwayne.c.brown at nasa.gov

2008-158


From mqfowler at mac.com  Thu Aug 14 16:51:20 2008
From: mqfowler at mac.com (Michael Fowler)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:51:20 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] =?iso-8859-1?q?Fwd=3A__Peter=27s_Stunning_New_Eu?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?crite_NWA_5230_paired_with_the_Hup=E9s=27_NWA_4883?=
References: <0BE1A475-F86D-4418-B033-91BA40EA9FDE@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C6C7E1D7-B0DC-4A55-9779-8F1EC695C07D@mac.com>




Resent, don't think this went through the first time.

Mike


> http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/id41.html
>
> Peter writes:
>
> "It's NWA 5230, a maskelynite rich polymict eucrite breccia! Analized
> by Tony Irwing, who writes: We made a discovery of a small  
> mesodiderite
> clast in it. This is an important observation that adds to the  
> growing evidence
> for a common parent body for HEDDO and MESO meteorites! NWA 5230
> is paired with NWA 4883. TKW is 909 g."


I must disagree both with the above logic, and the rush to join the  
mesosiderite and HED parent bodies.

As for the logic, I've never heard anyone say that finding a  
carbonaceous clast in an L class meteorite means that the the two  
parent bodies are related.  It just means that at some point a  
fragment of one parent body collided with another.  If such clasts  
were common, then one might infer that the two bodies at some point in  
space and time were in relative proximity to each other.

As far as the meso's and HED's having a common parent body, that is  
nearly impossible, especially if you believe that Vesta is the Parent  
Body of the HED's.  Consider that Vesta appears to be an intact body,  
with a core, mantle and crust.  The HED's sample different depths of  
the crust.  Where is there room for the Meso Parent Body?  The MPB  
(Meso Parent Body)  was completely destroyed by the collision that  
mixed the iron core with the basaltic crust.

Vesta is intact, the MPB has been destroyed.  Therefore they can't be  
the same Parent Body.

Mike Fowler
Chicago



From meteoritekid at gmail.com  Thu Aug 14 19:14:27 2008
From: meteoritekid at gmail.com (Jason Utas)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:14:27 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list]
	=?iso-8859-1?q?Fwd=3A_Peter=27s_Stunning_New_Euc?=
	=?iso-8859-1?q?rite_NWA_5230_paired_with_the_Hup=E9s=27_NWA_4883?=
In-Reply-To: <C6C7E1D7-B0DC-4A55-9779-8F1EC695C07D@mac.com>
References: <0BE1A475-F86D-4418-B033-91BA40EA9FDE@mac.com>
	<C6C7E1D7-B0DC-4A55-9779-8F1EC695C07D@mac.com>
Message-ID: <93aaac890808141614l6e0b3565gaf06725112e31f5c@mail.gmail.com>

Hola Mike, All,

>As for the logic, I've never heard anyone say that finding a carbonaceous clast in an L class meteorite means that the the two parent bodies are related.  It just means that at some point a fragment of one parent body collided with another.  If such clasts were common, then one might infer that the two bodies at some point in space and time were in relative proximity to each other.

Fair enough, but when one looks at the entire picture - especially
meteorites like Dhofar 007 which are structurally Eucritic, but
isotopically (oxygen isotopes) identical to Mesosiderites...the
evidence mounts.  And one can't forget meteorites like Vaca Muerta,
which is full of Eucritic clasts (to a much higher degree than would
suggest mere impact-injected fragments)....well, a few small clasts is
one thing, but there's something bigger than sporadic collisions going
on.

>As far as the meso's and HED's having a common parent body, that is nearly impossible, especially if you believe that Vesta is the Parent Body of the HED's.

Asteroid 4 Vesta is a spectroscopic match for the HED's.  That said, I
don't know if there are any other spectroscopic matches
around...anyone have a better idea?
Even so, 4 Vesta's link to HED's hasn't been proven beyond a doubt
yet, so your point is moot.  The possibility exists that the parent
body for HED's has simply been completely destroyed, and that's very
possible...

>Consider that Vesta appears to be an intact body, with a core, mantle and crust.  The HED's sample different depths of the crust.  Where is there room for the Meso Parent Body?  The MPB (Meso Parent Body)  was completely destroyed by the collision that mixed the iron core with the basaltic crust.  Vesta is intact, the MPB has been destroyed.  Therefore they can't be the same Parent Body.

Hmmm....take a look at this article:

http://www.planetary.org/explore/topics/asteroids_and_comets/vesta.html

"At some point in its past, Vesta suffered a huge impact which left a
crater nearly as large as the asteroid itself (at 460 kilometers or
290 miles in diameter, it is 80 percent the width of Vesta).  The
crater is so deep that it exposes materials from deep in Vesta's
mantle."

Deep mantle material could be potentially very rich in iron,
especially with such a gravitationally weak body (less gravity means
less consolidated core).  Thus, I think it's rather safe to say that 4
Vesta *could* be the parent body for both types of meteorites...not to
say that it is, but it could be.

Jason



On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 1:51 PM, Michael Fowler <mqfowler at mac.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Resent, don't think this went through the first time.
>
> Mike
>
>
>> http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/id41.html
>>
>> Peter writes:
>>
>> "It's NWA 5230, a maskelynite rich polymict eucrite breccia! Analized
>> by Tony Irwing, who writes: We made a discovery of a small mesodiderite
>> clast in it. This is an important observation that adds to the growing
>> evidence
>> for a common parent body for HEDDO and MESO meteorites! NWA 5230
>> is paired with NWA 4883. TKW is 909 g."
>
>
> I must disagree both with the above logic, and the rush to join the
> mesosiderite and HED parent bodies.
>
> As for the logic, I've never heard anyone say that finding a carbonaceous
> clast in an L class meteorite means that the the two parent bodies are
> related.  It just means that at some point a fragment of one parent body
> collided with another.  If such clasts were common, then one might infer
> that the two bodies at some point in space and time were in relative
> proximity to each other.
>
> As far as the meso's and HED's having a common parent body, that is nearly
> impossible, especially if you believe that Vesta is the Parent Body of the
> HED's.  Consider that Vesta appears to be an intact body, with a core,
> mantle and crust.  The HED's sample different depths of the crust.  Where is
> there room for the Meso Parent Body?  The MPB (Meso Parent Body)  was
> completely destroyed by the collision that mixed the iron core with the
> basaltic crust.
>
> Vesta is intact, the MPB has been destroyed.  Therefore they can't be the
> same Parent Body.
>
> Mike Fowler
> Chicago
>
>
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From rockhoundm at abaconet.com.ar  Thu Aug 14 20:29:48 2008
From: rockhoundm at abaconet.com.ar (Eduardo.)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:29:48 -0300
Subject: [meteorite-list] ebay problem. can someone check my auction?
In-Reply-To: <B0000031905@webmail.abaco.net.ar>
Message-ID: <B0000031939@webmail.abaco.net.ar>

Sorry to bother you but could someone check the following auctions to see
if you can see them? I got a message that they are blocked and don't know
if its just to my country or to all.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280254426018

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280254417479

I put here 2 links, but half of my auctions have this problem

thanks 

Eduardo

-----Original Message-----
From: "Eduardo." <rockhoundm at abaconet.com.ar>
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:18:16 -0300
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Ebay Auctions. Wold Cottage, Camel Donga,
Zaklodzie, Portales	Valley

> Hi
> I have a new auction ending in one day.
> 49 auctions, all starting at $0.99 with special highlights:
> 
> WOLD COTTAGE 6.21g slice with nice chondrules
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280254439019
> 
> I can't believe that this is historic meteorite that fell in 1795 is
> LESS
> THAN $1/g!
> 
> CAMEL DONGA 21g Oriented very nice specimen
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280254416259
> 	
> Zaklodzie 2.15g 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280254439968
> 
> Sahara 97210 L/LL3.6 With AMAZING chondrules
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280254410364
> 
> Zagora 201 gr. Individual
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280254413585
> 
> Portales Valley, just 2.3g but with nice metal and fusion crust
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280254425359
> 
> and 44 auctions more including 
> 
> Gibeon, Sikhote Alin, Henburym, Mundravilla for the iron lovers
> 
> Gao, Allende, Ragland, Northbranch, Oum Dreyga, Sahara 99597 for the
> chondrules seekers
> 
> Zagami, Tatahouine, Norton county, Sahara 98505 Ureilite, DAG 779
> Howardite for the Achondrite collectors
> 
> Some old Sahara "main mases" never offered before
> 
> and more you can see here:
> 
> http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/smfmeteorites
> 
> also remember to check my new web page
> 
> www.smf.com.ar
> 
> thanks for stop by
> 
> Eduardo
> 
> 
> 
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From rockhoundm at abaconet.com.ar  Thu Aug 14 20:55:21 2008
From: rockhoundm at abaconet.com.ar (Eduardo.)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:55:21 -0300
Subject: [meteorite-list] ebay problem. can someone check my auction?
In-Reply-To: <003101c8fe72$ec7e82e0$eb9ce744@jacke5514a414c>
Message-ID: <B0000031943@webmail.abaco.net.ar>

Hi Jack and list

I just contacted ebay live help and they told me that other dealers are
having the same problem and they are working on it.

I can see some of them, and on others I see:

"Dear User:
Unfortunately, access to this particular item has been blocked due to
legal restrictions in some countries. We are blocking your viewing in an
effort to prevent restricted items from being displayed. Regrettably, in
some cases, we may prevent users from accessing items that are not within
the scope of said restrictions because of limitations of existing
technology. Please accept our apologies for any inconvenience this may
cause, and we hope you may find other items of interest on eBay.
Thank You."

At least I know that buyers can bid, even if I can't change anything on them.

thanks for your help

Eduardo

-----Original Message-----
From: "Jack Schrader" <jack.schrader at cox.net>
To: "'Eduardo.'" <rockhoundm at abaconet.com.ar>
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:04:52 -0700
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] ebay problem. can someone check my auction?

> Hi Eduardo.  I can see the auctions okay....the links worked fine and I
> had
> no trouble viewing your auctions.  Jack
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
> Eduardo.
> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 5:30 PM
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] ebay problem. can someone check my auction?
> 
> Sorry to bother you but could someone check the following auctions to
> see
> if you can see them? I got a message that they are blocked and don't
> know
> if its just to my country or to all.
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280254426018
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280254417479
> 
> I put here 2 links, but half of my auctions have this problem
> 
> thanks 
> 
> Eduardo
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Eduardo." <rockhoundm at abaconet.com.ar>
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:18:16 -0300
> Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Ebay Auctions. Wold Cottage, Camel
> Donga,
> Zaklodzie, Portales	Valley
> 
> > Hi
> > I have a new auction ending in one day.
> > 49 auctions, all starting at $0.99 with special highlights:
> > 
> > WOLD COTTAGE 6.21g slice with nice chondrules
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280254439019
> > 
> > I can't believe that this is historic meteorite that fell in 1795 is
> > LESS
> > THAN $1/g!
> > 
> > CAMEL DONGA 21g Oriented very nice specimen
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280254416259
> > 	
> > Zaklodzie 2.15g 
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280254439968
> > 
> > Sahara 97210 L/LL3.6 With AMAZING chondrules
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280254410364
> > 
> > Zagora 201 gr. Individual
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280254413585
> > 
> > Portales Valley, just 2.3g but with nice metal and fusion crust
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280254425359
> > 
> > and 44 auctions more including 
> > 
> > Gibeon, Sikhote Alin, Henburym, Mundravilla for the iron lovers
> > 
> > Gao, Allende, Ragland, Northbranch, Oum Dreyga, Sahara 99597 for the
> > chondrules seekers
> > 
> > Zagami, Tatahouine, Norton county, Sahara 98505 Ureilite, DAG 779
> > Howardite for the Achondrite collectors
> > 
> > Some old Sahara "main mases" never offered before
> > 
> > and more you can see here:
> > 
> > http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/smfmeteorites
> > 
> > also remember to check my new web page
> > 
> > www.smf.com.ar
> > 
> > thanks for stop by
> > 
> > Eduardo
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ______________________________________________
> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> 
> ______________________________________________
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> 


From bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 14 22:39:12 2008
From: bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com (mckinney trammell)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:39:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] vaca muerta eucrite
Message-ID: <694615.63288.qm@web53212.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

can anyone give any scientific info on this + pix? 


      

From bristolia at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 14 23:05:57 2008
From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:05:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] It came from the sky: school rock an ancient
	meteorite (Australia)
Message-ID: <147810.97152.qm@web36205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

It came from the sky: school rock an ancient meteorite 
by Dimity Barber, Berwick leader, August 14, 2008

http://www.berwickleader.com.au/article/2008/08/13/41154_blv_news.html

The first few sentences states:

"CLYDE Primary School has been rocked by news it is the 
custodian of a 4.5 billion-year-old meteorite.

Principal
Maurie Richardson said the school had received 
word from Museum
Victoria that an 85kg rock now on display 
at the school is a fragment
of Cranbourne?s world-famous 
meteorite shower."

...rest of text omitted...

More Photographs of Meteorite

http://tools.leadernewspapers.com.au/photo_galleries/gallery.php?id=1375

Yours,

Paul H.



      

From mexicodoug at aim.com  Fri Aug 15 01:24:28 2008
From: mexicodoug at aim.com (mexicodoug at aim.com)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:24:28 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list]
 =?utf-8?q?Fwd=3A_Peter=27s_Stunning_New_Eucrite_?=
 =?utf-8?q?NWA_5230_paired_with_the_Hup=C3=A9s=27_NWA_4883?=
In-Reply-To: <93aaac890808141614l6e0b3565gaf06725112e31f5c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0BE1A475-F86D-4418-B033-91BA40EA9FDE@mac.com>	<C6C7E1D7-B0DC-4A55-9779-8F1EC695C07D@mac.com>
	<93aaac890808141614l6e0b3565gaf06725112e31f5c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CACCAE5064E174-C00-6F4@WEBMAIL-MC04.sysops.aol.com>

Jason wrote:

"And one can't forget meteorites like Vaca Muerta, which is full of 
Eucritic clasts (to a much higher degree than would suggest mere 
impact-injected fragments)...."

Hi Jason,

At one point Nakhla was a Eucrite.  Dho 007 is another can of worms, 
that is quite young in a CRE sense.  Unless I don't follow your 
argument, putting Vaca Muerta in the "mix" is just confusing the issue 
along with voicing the genetic "eucritic" POTENTIAL misnomer.  Oxygen 
isotopes are one convenient measurement, as were consistent 
measurements of Iron isotopes.  -but are ALL other indicators as 
convincing?

If you would like to include these Vaca Muerta "eucritic" inclusions to 
try to refute Mike's statements, which you further attempt to cast 
doubt in unrelated comments saying:

"Thus, I think it's rather safe to say that 4 Vesta *could* be the 
parent body for both types of meteorites...not to
say that it is, but it could be."

(The word both bothers me in this statement, though if you had said 
"either" I personally wouldn't object as strongly)

I ca rest if we first rub in and quack (1993) a little about the 
landmark result that is often quoted of 133 million years exposure for 
the 'Vaca Muerta' meteoroid.  If we excavate from the same crater you 
reference generously - allowing for the possibility it be the source of 
the HED's: we have a group of less than 60 million years exposure 
br
eaking loose 70 million years after the ground below it ... kindly 
help me connect the dots as your general logic seems ok but somewhat 
all over the map.

That said, I definitely agree that the dynamics of how this actually 
shook out can be much more complicated than Mike's strawman.  But - to 
be very fair, his strawman just seems to be still very alive and 
kicking to me to be this critical without giving it a more serious 
candidacy.  We can always do a little arm waving referencing the 
problems of deconvoluting a complex past, but it would all be a bigger, 
more complicated conjecture, perhaps on equal footing in plausibility 
with Mike's general thoughts, but by definition more complex.  There is 
a lot of great science waiting to be done here.  Hopefully, DAWN will 
arrive and not send the remarkable Vesta story back to the drawing 
board.
Best wishes,
Doug






-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com>
To: Michael Fowler <mqfowler at mac.com>; Meteorite-list 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 6:14 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Peter's Stunning New Eucrite NWA 
5230 paired with the Hup?s' NWA 4883



Hola Mike, All,

>As for the logic, I've never heard anyone say that finding a 
carbonaceous clast
in an L class meteorite means that the the two parent bodies are 
related.  It
just means that at some point a fragment20of one parent body collided 
with
another.  If such clasts were common, then one might infer that the two 
bodies
at some point in space and time were in relative proximity to each 
other.

Fair enough, but when one looks at the entire picture - especially
meteorites like Dhofar 007 which are structurally Eucritic, but
isotopically (oxygen isotopes) identical to Mesosiderites...the
evidence mounts.  And one can't forget meteorites like Vaca Muerta,
which is full of Eucritic clasts (to a much higher degree than would
suggest mere impact-injected fragments)....well, a few small clasts is
one thing, but there's something bigger than sporadic collisions going
on.

>As far as the meso's and HED's having a common parent body, that is 
nearly
impossible, especially if you believe that Vesta is the Parent Body of 
the
HED's.

Asteroid 4 Vesta is a spectroscopic match for the HED's.  That said, I
don't know if there are any other spectroscopic matches
around...anyone have a better idea?
Even so, 4 Vesta's link to HED's hasn't been proven beyond a doubt
yet, so your point is moot.  The possibility exists that the parent
body for HED's has simply been completely destroyed, and that's very
possible...

>Consider that Vesta appears to be an intact body, with a core, mantle 
and
crust.  The HED's sample different depths of the crust.  Where is there 
room for
the Meso Parent Body?  The MPB (Meso Parent Body)  was completely=2
0
destroyed by
the collision that mixed the iron core with the basaltic crust.  Vesta 
is
intact, the MPB has been destroyed.  Therefore they can't be the same 
Parent
Body.

Hmmm....take a look at this article:

http://www.planetary.org/explore/topics/asteroids_and_comets/vesta.html

"At some point in its past, Vesta suffered a huge impact which left a
crater nearly as large as the asteroid itself (at 460 kilometers or
290 miles in diameter, it is 80 percent the width of Vesta).  The
crater is so deep that it exposes materials from deep in Vesta's
mantle."

Deep mantle material could be potentially very rich in iron,
especially with such a gravitationally weak body (less gravity means
less consolidated core).  Thus, I think it's rather safe to say that 4
Vesta *could* be the parent body for both types of meteorites...not to
say that it is, but it could be.

Jason



On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 1:51 PM, Michael Fowler <mqfowler at mac.com> 
wrote:
>
>
>
> Resent, don't think this went through the first time.
>
> Mike
>
>
>> http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/id41.html
>>
>> Peter writes:
>>
>> "It's NWA 5230, a maskelynite rich polymict eucrite breccia! Analized
>> by Tony Irwing, who writes: We made a discovery of a small 
mesodiderite
>> clast in it. This is an important observation that adds to the 
growing
>> evidence
>> for a common parent body for HEDDO and MESO meteorites! NWA 52300D
>> is paired with NWA 4883. TKW is 909 g."
>
>
> I must disagree both with the above logic, and the rush to join the
> mesosiderite and HED parent bodies.
>
> As for the logic, I've never heard anyone say that finding a 
carbonaceous
> clast in an L class meteorite means that the the two parent bodies are
> related.  It just means that at some point a fragment of one parent 
body
> collided with another.  If such clasts were common, then one might 
infer
> that the two bodies at some point in space and time were in relative
> proximity to each other.
>
> As far as the meso's and HED's having a common parent body, that is 
nearly
> impossible, especially if you believe that Vesta is the Parent Body 
of the
> HED's.  Consider that Vesta appears to be an intact body, with a core,
> mantle and crust.  The HED's sample different depths of the crust.  
Where is
> there room for the Meso Parent Body?  The MPB (Meso Parent Body)  was
> completely destroyed by the collision that mixed the iron core with 
the
> basaltic crust.
>
> Vesta is intact, the MPB has been destroyed.  Therefore they can't be 
the
> same Parent Body.
>
> Mike Fowler
> Chicago
>
>
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From raremeteorites at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 15 02:21:57 2008
From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:21:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mobile Meteorite Command Center
Message-ID: <233726.4548.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Doug asked:
PS What ever happened to the Mobile Mohave Command Headquarters? PPS "move south" hmmm... 86.844838 % of the Earth is south of you, and > that doesn't include Groenland :)

The Mobile Meteorite Command Center (MMCC) is still in a state of complete readines. After spending six months working on the things that make it meteorite-hunter friendly a year or so ago, all systems are a go and have been tested. The bar in the 14' slide-out lounge is fully stocked, the FM communication systems work flawlessly and the computer works in broadband mode remotely.  The entertainment systems including a computer linkable stereo, flat screen TV, movies and international music library have all been dialed in. The magnetic canes, metal detectors, GPSs and Camelbacks are all in proper stowage as is the Isomet saw and Nikon stereo microscope.  The toughest part of the project was having a remote gas line and manifold installed so that a 120 pound expidition stove and a gas powered fire pit could run off the massive dual propane tanks that will last over a month in the field.  I know it sounds yuppy but who wants to camp out in a tent or stay in
 a motel with bed bugs when you can be right on the spot of interest.

I have only field tested it once at a campground and everything worked fine. 

Here is a link to the inagural system tests in the relative safty of a friend's driveway:

http://themeteoritesite.com/MMCC.jpg

I long for the days I actually have time to put it into action.  Perhaps this fall when I move to Nevada or pray for a U.S. fall so that I have an excuse to drop everything and hit the road.  In any case, I have been completley distracted for the last year thanks to NWA 5000.


Best Regards,

Adam







From lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu  Fri Aug 15 06:05:38 2008
From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu (lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 03:05:38 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Great Planet Debate
Message-ID: <1635.65.111.70.130.1218794738.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu>

Hi Everyone:

Did anyone see The Great Planet Debate yesterday between Mark Sykes and
Neil Tyson? If so, I would be interested in your reactions to it. I am
here in Maryland at the conference (the debate was webcast and I have been
told that it would be "posted" or maybe even on YouTube in a week or so).
I will be writing up the conference for the November issue of Meteorite
once I get back to Tucson.

Larry




From stefan at meteoriten.com  Fri Aug 15 08:36:13 2008
From: stefan at meteoriten.com (Stefan Ralew)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:36:13 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August
	14, 2008
References: <31228149.663721218684935560.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>
Message-ID: <00b101c8fed3$81cb7b90$15b2a8c0@SN107086710318>

Dear List,

this is a really nice example of this new Sahara iron. And Svend is probably 
right with his doubts regarding the Ziz provenance. We had a lot of Ziz 
pieces in the past and we have also some pieces of this iron, and I can say 
that it is probably NOT Ziz -only my personal opinion.

Here is a pic of a cut surface:
http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/new-iron.jpg

Cheers,
Stefan

www.chladnis-heirs.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Johnson" <michael at spacerocksinc.com>
To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 5:35 AM
Subject: [english 72%] [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the 
Day - August 14,2008


> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_14_2008.html
>
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From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Fri Aug 15 09:19:49 2008
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 06:19:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 15,
	2008
Message-ID: <718483.808261218806389607.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>


http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_15_2008.html


From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Fri Aug 15 17:32:33 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 15 Aug 2008 21:32:33 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Article in Sky & Telescope Magazine
Message-ID: <DIIE.0000008600002FCC@paulinet.de>

Michael Johnson asked: 

"Anyone on the list know about Sky & Telescope Mag. publishing
 an article on meteorite collecting in the October 2008 issue?"

Ruben responded:

"Geoff Notkin and I have just recently completed a feature article for Sky
 and Telescope magazine. It will be fairly substantial - over 2000 words
 - and should be packed with incredible pictures of meteorites that only
 Geoff could take! The article will touch on many aspects of this great
 hobby - meteorite collecting, meteorite hunting, etc."

and also:

"S & T has also allowed us to post meteorite related text, pictures and
 video  on their website - which should be up in Sept. or Oct. The article
 should reach  subscribers in late Aug, and I think it will hit newsstands
 in late Sept or early Oct."


Hello Michael, Ruben, and List,

I got my September issue of S & T today and the article Ruben mentioned
will be in the *next* issue and on newsstands September 2nd.

Hunting for Space Rocks: Collecting meteorites is a
great way to touch the stars without leaving home

So don't forget to get your copy if you are not a subscriber!

Bernd (tired because he saw too many dinosaurs at the Senkenberg Museum today)


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Aug 15 18:18:21 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:18:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rover Update - August 1-7, 2008
Message-ID: <200808152218.PAA00187@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html

SPIRIT UPDATE:  Waiting Out the Winter - sol 1628-1634, August 01-07, 2008:

Spirit's battery levels are slowly edging upward, thanks to a slight
decrease in atmospheric dust (Tau) and a gradual increase in sunlight as
winter gives way to spring.

Early in the week, Spirit spent two Martian days carrying out
contingency plans following a temporary delay in data transmission from
Earth. Spirit implemented the so-called "runout" portion of an earlier
master sequence on sols 1628 and 1629 (Aug. 1-2, 2008). Subsequent
relays of new instructions from Earth on sols 1629 and 1632 (Aug. 2 and
Aug. 5, 2008) went off without a hitch.

Spirit remains healthy, with all subsystems performing as expected as of
sol 1630 (Aug. 3, 2008).

Sol-by-sol summary

In addition to using the panoramic camera to make daily measurements of
dust-related changes in atmospheric clarity, Spirit completed the
following activities:

Sol 1628 (Aug. 1, 2008): Spirit implemented the runout portion of the
master sequence of commands already on board the rover.

Sol 1629: Upon awakening, Spirit continued to implement the runout
portion of the master sequence sent earlier. Spirit then received new
instructions directly from Earth via the rover's high-gain antenna.

Sol 1630: Spirit acquired column 13 of the "Bonestell panorama" using
all 13 color filters of the panoramic camera. The rover relayed fresh
data from Mars at UHF radio frequencies to NASA's Odyssey orbiter to be
transmitted to Earth.

Sol 1631: Spirit recharged the batteries.

Sol 1632: Spirit received new instructions from Earth via the rover's
high-gain antenna.

Sol 1633: Spirit acquired six freeze frames for a time-lapse movie in
search of Martian clouds using the navigation camera. The rover took
spot images of the sky for calibration purposes with the panoramic
camera and monitored dust on the panoramic-camera mast assembly.

Sol 1634 (Aug. 7, 2008): Spirit transmitted fresh data to Odyssey to be
relayed to Earth.

Odometry:

As of sol 1634 (Aug. 7, 2008), Spirit's total odometry remained at
7,528.0 meters (4.7 miles).

From meteoritefinder at gmail.com  Fri Aug 15 18:19:26 2008
From: meteoritefinder at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:19:26 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Web site update items from my personal collection
	/ad/
Message-ID: <468bf6050808151519l61b8f2eaw747a7c6018b0e337@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all I have added some new items these are some very nice pieces all
from my personal collection. They include Glorieta pallasite, a killer
Gibeon end cut, nice Toluca end cut, a couple nice Campo's with
natural holes in them and a Sikhote with a natural hole.    Her e is a
link and thanks for looking.
http://www.meteoritefinder.com/whats-new-sale.htm

-- 
Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401
www.meteoritefinder.com
 928-753-6825

From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Aug 15 18:25:51 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:25:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - August 13, 2008
Message-ID: <200808152225.PAA02305@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES
August 13, 2008

o Cerberus Fossae Fissures
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009003_1890

o Transverse Dunes in the Northern Lowlands
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_008681_2550

o Mid-Latitude Gullies in Crater
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_007592_1425

o Fresh 5-Kilometer Diameter Rayed Crater
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009162_1570


All of the HiRISE images are archived here:

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/

Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is 
online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is 
managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division 
of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA 
Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed 
Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor 
and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the 
University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies 
Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument.

From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Aug 15 18:29:05 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:29:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: August 11-15, 2008
Message-ID: <200808152229.PAA03481@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES
August 11-15, 2008

o Buvinda Vallis (Released 11 August 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080811a

o Tempe Terra (Released 12 August 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080812a

o Big Blast (Released 13 August 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080813a

o Linear Ridges (Released 14 August 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080814a

o Auqakuh Vallis (Released 15 August 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080815a


All of the THEMIS images are archived here:

http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html

NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission 
for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission 
Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University,
Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. 
The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State 
University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor 
for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission 
operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a 
division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. 




From bobadebt at ec.rr.com  Fri Aug 15 21:43:37 2008
From: bobadebt at ec.rr.com (David & Kitt Deyarmin)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:43:37 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD  -  Zag Slices, End Cuts, Etc For Sale
Message-ID: <3F7AF0246B524725AC1BA4F8B1BA3FFC@David>

I just finished processing my recently acquired Zag fragment.

I have the following available

- Slices from 66 grams down to 9 grams for $3 per gram (as cut from the 
saw),  $3.15 per gram (polished one side) and $3.25 per gram (polished on 
both sides)

- Some limited slices with crust on one side for $4 per gram

- One 11 gram fragment is available for $2.50 per gram

 - I might sell 2 of the non-crusted end cuts at for $2 per gram. One weighs 
188 grams and the other weighs 138 grams.


I only had time to polish one end cut and you can click the below links to 
see images of it to give you an idea of how the other slices will look once 
they are finished.

If you are interested in any of this material please contact me off list at 
bobadebt at ec.rr.com



Thanks



Here are the pictures of the only true end cut I have available, by true end 
cut I mean it only has one cut surface.

It weighs 107 grams and measures 85mm x 65mm. It has awesome brecciation and 
a loads of metal. It has been polished up to 400 grit and I don't think 
addition work is required.

A list member has dibs on it but if he passes it will be available for $4.50 
per gram


http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p298/BobaDebt/Meteorites/Zag/107grEC1.jpg


http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p298/BobaDebt/Meteorites/Zag/107grEC2.jpg


http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p298/BobaDebt/Meteorites/Zag/107grEC3.jpg 


From deanbessey at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 16 00:57:28 2008
From: deanbessey at yahoo.com (dean bessey)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:57:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: More than 100 Ebay NWA's Marked down 20%
In-Reply-To: <200808152229.PAA03481@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <643236.43076.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

I havent been listing much lately as I have been busy with the new shop and my two babies but I just noticed that 122 of my NWA store items have been listed for more than 4 months so I marked them down 20%. So the already low prices are now even lower.
See all my meteorites here
http://stores.ebay.com/DEANS-COLLECTIBLES-AND-GEMSTONES_Meteorites_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZ4QQftidZ2QQtZkm
Cheers
DEAN
AMUNRE on Ebay
www.meteoriteshop.com
www.earthlytreasures.co.nz


      

From christian.anger at aon.at  Sat Aug 16 01:10:19 2008
From: christian.anger at aon.at (Christian Anger)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:10:19 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Pallasite sale
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAABeLT4eluh5LvsRGw88voHPCgAAAEAAAALG/0wF9O5NNndrD639hJV4BAAAAAA==@aon.at>

Hi all,

I am selling some specimens from my private collection via ebay auctions

if interested, please look at

http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=austromet

thanks,

Christian



I.M.C.A. #2673 at www.imca.cc
website: www.austromet.com
?
Ing. Christian Anger
Korngasse 6
2405 Bad Deutsch-Altenburg
AUSTRIA
?
email: christian.anger at aon.at
email: meteorites at austromet.com




From meteoritemall at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 16 01:38:31 2008
From: meteoritemall at yahoo.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:38:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Article in Sky & Telescope Magazine
In-Reply-To: <DIIE.0000008600002FCC@paulinet.de>
Message-ID: <796911.8667.qm@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks Bernd,
You are right! The article "Hunting for Space Rocks: Collecting meteorites is a great way to touch the stars without leaving home." will be featured in the Oct 2008 Sky and Telescope Magazine.

Sorry, I didn't make that clear... 

Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
http://www.mr-meteorite.com
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v





      

From cynapse at charter.net  Sat Aug 16 11:47:12 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:47:12 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteor Showers and their Parent Comets
In-Reply-To: <643236.43076.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <200808152229.PAA03481@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
	<643236.43076.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <retda4dh6iet8ee4b384uc8gj59tanbqpm@4ax.com>

Just got this e-mail, for those of you willing to buy massively overpriced
books.


Dear Amazon.com Customer,

We've noticed that customers who have purchased or rated "Rogue Asteroids and
Doomsday Comets: The Search for the Million Megaton Menace That Threatens Life
on Earth" by Duncan Steel have also purchased "Meteor Showers and their Parent
Comets" by Peter Jenniskens. For this reason, you might like to know that
"Meteor Showers and their Parent Comets" will be released on August 28, 2008.
You can pre-order yours by following the link below.

Meteor Showers and their Parent Comets

Peter Jenniskens


Price: $90.00

Release Date: August 28, 2008


To learn more about Meteor Showers and their Parent Comets, please visit the
following page at Amazon.com: 
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0521076358/

From clp at alumni.caltech.edu  Sat Aug 16 12:36:47 2008
From: clp at alumni.caltech.edu (Chris Peterson)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:36:47 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteor Showers and their Parent Comets
References: <200808152229.PAA03481@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov><643236.43076.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<retda4dh6iet8ee4b384uc8gj59tanbqpm@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <017701c8ffbe$4cc38410$0a01a8c0@bellatrix>

This book has been in print for a couple of years. What's being released 
soon is the paperback edition. I bought the hardback for $110 a year ago; if 
you can find it in that price range, it doesn't seem worthwhile to save just 
a little for the paperback.

This is _the_ definitive book describing the origin of meteors. Although it 
deals specifically with cometary sources, much of the material is applicable 
to asteroidal sources (and therefore meteorites) as well. If you have a 
theoretical interest in such matters, it should be in your collection.

Chris

*****************************************
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darren Garrison" <cynapse at charter.net>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 9:47 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteor Showers and their Parent Comets


> Just got this e-mail, for those of you willing to buy massively overpriced
> books.
>
>
> Dear Amazon.com Customer,
>
> We've noticed that customers who have purchased or rated "Rogue Asteroids 
> and
> Doomsday Comets: The Search for the Million Megaton Menace That Threatens 
> Life
> on Earth" by Duncan Steel have also purchased "Meteor Showers and their 
> Parent
> Comets" by Peter Jenniskens. For this reason, you might like to know that
> "Meteor Showers and their Parent Comets" will be released on August 28, 
> 2008.
> You can pre-order yours by following the link below.
>
> Meteor Showers and their Parent Comets
>
> Peter Jenniskens
>
>
> Price: $90.00
>
> Release Date: August 28, 2008
>
>
> To learn more about Meteor Showers and their Parent Comets, please visit 
> the
> following page at Amazon.com:
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0521076358/


From entropydave at ntlworld.com  Sat Aug 16 15:10:37 2008
From: entropydave at ntlworld.com (Dave Harris)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:10:37 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Weston and Pultusk on Fleabay
Message-ID: <518437608ED643C88D55EC1AC8AE84FD@pitstoppc>

..the subject line says it all!


http://tinyurl.com/6gjxpk

http://tinyurl.com/6z42qu

http://tinyurl.com/6fu4kb



Thanks


dave
IMCA #0092
Sec.BIMS.
www.bimsociety.org

From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Sat Aug 16 15:53:11 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 16 Aug 2008 19:53:11 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Heads-up: Partial Lunar Eclipse Alert
Message-ID: <DIIE.000000B90000300F@paulinet.de>

Hi All,

The partial lunar eclipse (not visible in most of the continental US)
has started a few minutes ago and it looks like it's going to be a very
"dark" eclipse.

Eclipsed and lunatic :-)

Bernd


From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Sat Aug 16 16:59:58 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 16 Aug 2008 20:59:58 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Almost mid-eclipse now!
Message-ID: <DIIE.000000B700003012@paulinet.de>

The eclipse is not dark at all as I wrote in my previous mail.
It's rather a yellowish orange color but: the projection of the
edge of Earth's shadow on the Moon's disk does look a little
darker!

Bernd


From mexicodoug at aim.com  Sat Aug 16 17:09:38 2008
From: mexicodoug at aim.com (mexicodoug at aim.com)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:09:38 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Berthoud, CO 2004-10-05
Message-ID: <8CACDFB86BB82EA-11F0-2468@webmail-da17.sysops.aol.com>

Hello everyone,

It looks like I missed this one somewhere -

--- the Berthoud fall is (finally?) official and welcomed into the 
monomict-breccia eucrite club!

...and Johnstown, Colorado, is less than 5 miles away !!

Best wishes,
Doug

From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Sat Aug 16 17:45:36 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 16 Aug 2008 21:45:36 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Partial Lunar Eclipse - Part 3
Message-ID: <DIIE.000000B500003016@paulinet.de>

Now that more and more of the Full Moon's brightly illuminated disk
is reappearing, the Earth's shadow once again looks much darker than
during mid-eclipse. This seems to be because of the increasing, stark
contrast between the illuminated and the eclipsed part of the Moon
and shows how easily the human eye can be deceived.

Bernd


From bobadebt at ec.rr.com  Sat Aug 16 20:36:56 2008
From: bobadebt at ec.rr.com (David & Kitt Deyarmin)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:36:56 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list]  AD  -  Zag Slices, End Cuts, Etc For Sale
Message-ID: <270006E288C14E1A8A82644DE69E127B@David>

I just uploaded images and pricing for all of the available slices and the 
single end cut to my web site For Sale page

Just go to this page and click on the Zag link

http://home.ec.rr.com/bobadebt/Rocks/FS.htm

If you check out the page please let me know if it was easy to understand 
the way I identified the slices.

Thanks 


From mstreman53 at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 17 00:46:20 2008
From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:46:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] vaca muerta eucrite
In-Reply-To: <694615.63288.qm@web53212.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <320412.47752.qm@web55204.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

--- On Thu, 8/14/08, mckinney trammell <bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com> wrote: vaca muerta eucrite--can anyone give any scientific info on this + pix? 

Here are the basic points.

All known mesosiderites come from a common parent/daughter which was a Vesta-like differentiated asteroid(having eucrite and diogenite material and possibly iron core (e.g Crust-Mantle-Core)  Since howardites are eucrite/diogenite/plus mixes some portion of regolith is likely incorporated in the overall petrology but too small for us to recognize as such.

This body was extensively disrupted by collision(s) which greatly mixed the strata: either a Vesta-like asteroid and it's a metallic core AND/OR some other massive iron body. 

A massive portion (if not the entire body) was essentially turned into something akin to an Impact Melt Breccia(IMB) but with achondrite materials.

On petrological study of Vaca Mutera specifically, what is commonly referred to as "eucrite" nodules are a wide ranging mix of eucrite and diogenite composition. They do NOT represent a different fall or named meteorite.

Owing to differential weathering: iron weathering faster than silicate, the clasts of "eucrite" character have been recovered as nodules in the VM strewn field.  They are also seen in sawed sections contained in classic meso "iron/silicate" masses. I don' have any statistcs or percentages but my swag is that they are probably less than 3-5% of this meteorite and would be rated as uncommon to rare. Perhaps others have better data.

I don't have a photo available but on a macro level the ones I have are fairly unremarkable; looking much like any other suspected meteorite: dark walnut-like without true fusion crust. I have been told that because of the random mix, their interiors contain a wide range of crystalline textures.

Regards,
Elton












From cynapse at charter.net  Sun Aug 17 02:18:07 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 02:18:07 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] When the Sahara was wetter (relevant to your
	interests)
In-Reply-To: <DIIE.000000B500003016@paulinet.de>
References: <DIIE.000000B500003016@paulinet.de>
Message-ID: <8bgfa4h1t9bs93tk732eg8l0gd3m5gi3jp@4ax.com>

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f79/bougainvillea1/Relevant_to_interests_hedgehog.jpg

How wet and for how long and how recently the Sahara was wet of course is a
determining factor in the ages of the older Saharaian meteorites.
(of course the 1,000 years ago is an error on the part of the article writer

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26203952/

Remains of cemetery found in Sahara
A thousand years ago, the now-barren desert was moist and green

By Randolph E. Schmid
updated 6:28 p.m. ET, Thurs., Aug. 14, 2008

WASHINGTON - A tiny woman and two children were laid to rest on a bed of flowers
5,000 years ago in what is now the barren Sahara Desert.

The slender arms of the youngsters were still extended to the woman in perpetual
embrace when researchers discovered their skeletons in a remarkable cemetery
that is providing clues to two civilizations who lived there, a thousand years
apart, when the region was moist and green.

Paul Sereno of the University of Chicago and colleagues were searching for the
remains of dinosaurs in the African country of Niger when they came across the
startling find, detailed at a news conference Thursday at the National
Geographic Society.

http://media.funlol.com/content/img/this-is-relevant-to-my-interests.jpg

"Part of discovery is finding things that you least expect," he said. "When you
come across something like that in the middle of the desert it sends a tingle
down your spine."

Some 200 graves of humans were found during fieldwork at the site in 2005 and
2006, as well as remains of animals, large fish and crocodiles.

"Everywhere you turned, there were bones belonging to animals that don't live in
the desert," said Sereno. "I realized we were in the green Sahara."

The graveyard, uncovered by hot desert winds, is near what would have been a
lake at the time people lived there. It's in a region called Gobero, hidden away
in Niger's forbidding Tenere Desert, known to Tuareg nomads as a "desert within
a desert."

The human remains dated from two distinct populations that lived there during
wet times, with a dry period in between.

The researchers used radiocarbon dating to determine when these ancient people
lived there. Even the most recent were some 1,000 years before the building of
the pyramids in Egypt.

The first group, known as the Kiffian, hunted wild animals and speared huge
perch with harpoons. They colonized the region when the Sahara was at its
wettest, between 10,000 and 8,000 years ago.

The researchers said the Kiffians were tall, sometimes reaching well over 6
feet.

The second group lived in the region between 7,000 and 4,500 years ago. The
Tenerians were smaller and had a mixed economy of hunting, fishing and cattle
herding.

Their burials often included jewelry or ritual poses. For example, one girl had
an upper-arm bracelet carved from a hippo tusk. An adult Tenerian male was
buried with his skull resting on part of a clay vessel; another adult male was
interred seated on the shell of a mud turtle.

And pollen remains show the woman and two children were buried on a bed of
flowers. The researchers preserved the group just as they had been for thousands
of years.

"At first glance, it's hard to imagine two more biologically distinct groups of
people burying their dead in the same place," said team member Chris
Stojanowski, a bioarchaeologist from Arizona State University.

Stojanowski said ridges on the thigh bone of one Kiffian man show he had huge
leg muscles, "which suggests he was eating a lot of protein and had an active,
strenuous lifestyle. The Kiffian appear to have been fairly healthy ? it would
be difficult to grow a body that tall and muscular without sufficient
nutrition."

On the other hand, ridges on a Tenerian male were barely visible. "This man's
life was less rigorous, perhaps taking smaller fish and game with more advanced
hunting technologies," Stojanowski said.

Helene Jousse, a zooarchaeologist from the Museum of Natural History in Vienna,
Austria, reported that animal bones found in the area were from types common
today in the Serengeti in Kenya, such as elephants, giraffes, hartebeests and
warthogs.

The finds are detailed in reports in Thursday's edition of the journal PLoS One
and in the September issue of National Geographic Magazine.

http://www.funnycatpix.com/_pics/relevant_to_my_interests1.jpg

While the Sahara is desert today, a small difference in Earth's orbit once
brought seasonal monsoons farther north, wetting the landscape with lakes with
lush margins and drawing animals and people.

The research was funded by National Geographic, the Island Fund of the New York
Community Trust, the National Science Foundation and the Wenner-Gren Foundation
for Anthropological Research.
Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not
be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/spirehouse/funny-pictures-rabbit-eats-thread.jpg

From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Sun Aug 17 08:53:07 2008
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 05:53:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 17,
	2008
Message-ID: <15998728.952421218977587258.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_17_2008.html



From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Sun Aug 17 10:01:48 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 17 Aug 2008 14:01:48 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Article in Sky & Telescope Magazine and
	in Meteorite, Aug 2008, pp. 15-18
Message-ID: <DIIE.000000B700003021@paulinet.de>

Ruben wrote:

"Sorry, I didn't make that clear"


Hi Ruben and List,

Nothing to be sorry for. I only wanted to send a heads-up to those List members
who don't have a S&T subscription (I subscribed to S & T 31 years ago - July 77
was my first issue... how time goes by!) so that they don't miss out on that Oct
2008 issue!

But that's not the only reason why I'm posting this. I've just finished reading
Ruben's article in the latest issue of our METEORITE magazine and wanted to
thank Ruben for sharing this. If you haven't read it yet, you had better do
so now because you can literally feel Ruben's and his son's enthusiasm.

While reading it, I felt like being there and Denny's oriented 13 kg (!) Franconia
is a gorgeous textbook example of a thumbprinted, dome-shaped meteorite!

Well, sooner or later, I'm going to show up at Gold Basin and/or Franconia. So beware ;-)


Best wishes,

Bernd


From bobadebt at ec.rr.com  Sun Aug 17 10:25:40 2008
From: bobadebt at ec.rr.com (David & Kitt Deyarmin)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:25:40 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] I want to join the IMCA - Seeking mebership
	referals
Message-ID: <5DFAA77915F24B69A60B6B159F757FDE@David>

I would like to join the IMCA but need 2 referrals to do so.

I recognize many of the members listed but rather then contacting several 
people I thought it would be easier to just ask the list.

If you would not mind being a referral for me please contact me off list at 
bobadebt at ec.rr.com

Thanks 


From ebonyeyes at cox.net  Sun Aug 17 11:55:36 2008
From: ebonyeyes at cox.net (Melva Garzelloni)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:55:36 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Article in Sky & Telescope Magazine
	andin Meteorite, Aug 2008, pp. 15-18
In-Reply-To: <DIIE.000000B700003021@paulinet.de>
Message-ID: <20080817155529.JEWO6526.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>

Hi, 

Thanks, Brend, for posting this.
As a female new to meteorite collecting, I can tell you that I've already
enjoyed many of Ruben's articles as well as his videos.  I can't wait to
read the Sky & Telescope article!  I agree - you can feel his energy and
enthusiasm in everything he does.  

Melva

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bernd.pauli at paulinet.de
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 7:02 AM
To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Article in Sky & Telescope Magazine
andin Meteorite, Aug 2008, pp. 15-18

Ruben wrote:

"Sorry, I didn't make that clear"


Hi Ruben and List,

Nothing to be sorry for. I only wanted to send a heads-up to those List
members
who don't have a S&T subscription (I subscribed to S & T 31 years ago - July
77
was my first issue... how time goes by!) so that they don't miss out on that
Oct
2008 issue!

But that's not the only reason why I'm posting this. I've just finished
reading
Ruben's article in the latest issue of our METEORITE magazine and wanted to
thank Ruben for sharing this. If you haven't read it yet, you had better do
so now because you can literally feel Ruben's and his son's enthusiasm.

While reading it, I felt like being there and Denny's oriented 13 kg (!)
Franconia
is a gorgeous textbook example of a thumbprinted, dome-shaped meteorite!

Well, sooner or later, I'm going to show up at Gold Basin and/or Franconia.
So beware ;-)


Best wishes,

Bernd

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From cynapse at charter.net  Sun Aug 17 12:00:07 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 12:00:07 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] When the Sahara was wetter (relevant to your
	interests)
In-Reply-To: <8bgfa4h1t9bs93tk732eg8l0gd3m5gi3jp@4ax.com>
References: <DIIE.000000B500003016@paulinet.de>
	<8bgfa4h1t9bs93tk732eg8l0gd3m5gi3jp@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <oeiga4hd06f2ojjiet8279iqm22lu7tug3@4ax.com>

I had this comment from someone (who I'll allow to remain anonymous) on this
news post:

"You post more non-meteorite related crap than the next ten people"

So I thought I'd comment just a little more on the article, as I replied to said
person:

"There has been debate on the list about the terrestrial ages of weathered NWA
(meaning-- from the Sahara) meteorites.  How long meteorites take before
weathering away is related to exposure to water.  Evidence of the Sahara being
verdant less than 5,000 years ago puts a constraint on the estimates of Saharan
meteorites being tens of thousands of years old."

"Other news posts I make are related to solar system and planetary formation,
which are directly relevant to meteorite formation, and about meteorite parent
bodies, such as the moon and Mars.  If you actually care about the science of
meteorites, then those things should interest you."

(latter suggestion trimmed)

From meteoritemall at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 17 12:50:33 2008
From: meteoritemall at yahoo.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 09:50:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Article in Sky & Telescope Magazine and
	in Meteorite, Aug 2008, 
In-Reply-To: <DIIE.000000B700003021@paulinet.de>
Message-ID: <489076.15241.qm@web32506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks Guys,
The Meteorite Magazine article was fun to do. I counted at least 25 people that participated (in one way or another) in this extraordinary event. Many notable list members are included, like Mike Miller, Robert Ward, Jim Smaller, John Wolfe, Billy and Tiffany Wetzel, Jim Shorten, Mike Morgan, Paul Desilets, Del Waterbury, Stan Santiago, Denny Asher, and many more!!

I'm thinking of doing another similar article/video. It would be another group hunt; except for this one would be "How to Hunt a Dry Lake Bed". I think it would be great to get 20-30 novices/pros out on a dry lake bed and see what happens! We'll see ...

Just so everyone is clear on this, the upcoming- Oct 2008- Sky and Telescope article was coauthored by writer/photographer Geoff Notkin. His pictures turned out Amazing! I can?t wait to see the article either!

Thanks again to Bob and Kelly ( S & T Mag.) and Larry and Nancy (Meteorite Mag)who are always glad to publish my articles.

Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
http://www.mr-meteorite.com
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v


--- On Sun, 8/17/08, bernd.pauli at paulinet.de <bernd.pauli at paulinet.de> wrote:

> From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de <bernd.pauli at paulinet.de>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Article in Sky & Telescope Magazine and in Meteorite, Aug 2008, pp. 15-18
> To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Sunday, August 17, 2008, 7:01 AM
> Ruben wrote:
> 
> "Sorry, I didn't make that clear"
> 
> 
> Hi Ruben and List,
> 
> Nothing to be sorry for. I only wanted to send a heads-up
> to those List members
> who don't have a S&T subscription (I subscribed to
> S & T 31 years ago - July 77
> was my first issue... how time goes by!) so that they
> don't miss out on that Oct
> 2008 issue!
> 
> But that's not the only reason why I'm posting
> this. I've just finished reading
> Ruben's article in the latest issue of our METEORITE
> magazine and wanted to
> thank Ruben for sharing this. If you haven't read it
> yet, you had better do
> so now because you can literally feel Ruben's and his
> son's enthusiasm.
> 
> While reading it, I felt like being there and Denny's
> oriented 13 kg (!) Franconia
> is a gorgeous textbook example of a thumbprinted,
> dome-shaped meteorite!
> 
> Well, sooner or later, I'm going to show up at Gold
> Basin and/or Franconia. So beware ;-)
> 
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Bernd
> 
> ______________________________________________
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> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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From drtanuki at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 17 13:20:20 2008
From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:20:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] impact craters of N.A., S.A., Africa, Europe,
	Australia and Asia completed
Message-ID: <479906.20717.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Dear List,
  I hve completed what pages and entries for impact craters that I can for the the above areas.  Please have a look.  The pages will be updated as time permits with corrections and more additions.

 If you have a confirmed crater that you would like added please ask.  If you notice any corrections needed, please let me know off-list.

  Thank you.  In the short future I will add a page on how to use Google Earth as a search tool for impact crater hunting.

BEST ALWAYS, DIRK ROSS...TOKYO

http://meteoritesjapan.com/africacraters.aspx

http://meteoritesjapan.com/asiacraters.aspx

http://meteoritesjapan.com/aussicraters.aspx


http://meteoritesjapan.com/eurocraters.aspx

http://meteoritesjapan.com/SAcraters.aspx


http://meteoritesjapan.com/nortecraters.aspx


  THESE FIVE PAGES REPRESENT OVER ONE WEEK`S WORK, PLEASE ENJOY!!!!!

http://meteoritesjapan.com/default.aspx

From jbrady1 at orange.net  Sun Aug 17 13:28:16 2008
From: jbrady1 at orange.net (Jim Brady)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:28:16 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD~auctions ending in next few hours
Message-ID: <1402696835.1218994096059.JavaMail.wbs51@mspvp520>

Greetings listoids
        Some may be interested in a few auctions ending soon
Of note:

1.3g gujba---currently at $2.The label and riker box cost me twice that LOL
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=320285204944

1.96 NWA2483 Eucrite.Fantastic eucrite acquired from S.Ralew couple years ago.Currently $2.Beautiful
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=320285124806

1.7 gr NWA978 Rumurutiite slice---$2 ----don't let it end there
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=320284873867

couple of nice oriented meteorites up for sale too and a few unclassified stones.See them all at following link 
http://shop.ebay.co.uk/merchant/emeraldisleminerals

Have a good one
Jim B




From Metorman46 at aol.com  Sun Aug 17 15:13:18 2008
From: Metorman46 at aol.com (Metorman46 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:13:18 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] When the Sahara was wetter (relevant to your
	interests)
Message-ID: <c20.438936d4.35d9d24e@aol.com>

Hello Darren;
 
  I personally enjoy your posts ( very informative ) and enlightning  to 
meteorite collection,hunting,buying and selling.Thanks for taking the time to  
post.
 
  I too have considered the effects of a wetter sahara and how it  affected 
meteorites.It is unreal how many meteorites comes out of that desert  and all 
the others seem to only give up a few.I am glad they do come out and  give us a 
chance to study and compare to the pitiful little earth rocks we  find.
 
  Thanks again and please keep up the good work.
 
Best Regards;Herman Archer IMCA # 2770



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From cynapse at charter.net  Sun Aug 17 15:26:31 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:26:31 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] When the Sahara was wetter (relevant to your
	interests)
In-Reply-To: <c20.438936d4.35d9d24e@aol.com>
References: <c20.438936d4.35d9d24e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <tcuga49513t61reaebhghl6qqq13e30stl@4ax.com>

On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:13:18 EDT, you wrote:

>  I too have considered the effects of a wetter sahara and how it  affected 
>meteorites.It is unreal how many meteorites comes out of that desert  and all 
>the others seem to only give up a few.I am glad they do come out and  give us a 
>chance to study and compare to the pitiful little earth rocks we  find.

My meteorite collecting (and, really, awareness that there even is a meteorite
collecting market) began after the Sahara "gold rush" started, and my collection
strongly reflects that.  How old those really weathered meteorites coming out of
NWA are is interesting (and a data point in determining fall rate).  I already
knew that the Sahara was much wetter in the past-- but a data point that it was
much wetter as recently as 4,500 years ago is interesting-- and I would think it
would push the possible age for the weathered meteorites forwards (some, I
believe, have been estimated to be 10s of thousands of years old).

From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Sun Aug 17 16:13:29 2008
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:13:29 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] When the Sahara was wetter (relevant to
	yourinterests)
References: <c20.438936d4.35d9d24e@aol.com>
	<tcuga49513t61reaebhghl6qqq13e30stl@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <05e901c900a5$b72ddd90$f34ce146@ATARIENGINE>

Hi, Darren, Herman, List,

    The Sahara appears to have cycled back and
forth many times, from extremely dry to quite
wet over the last hundreds of thousands of
years. There's even a theory that says these
climatic changes are responsible for major human
movement out of Africa, the Sahara Pump Theory:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahara_Pump_Theory

    The question is water, that is, rainfall. And that
depends on the monsoon winds which are caused
by summer heating. Air over the center of the continent
becomes warmer and rises, pulling in cool wet air from
the ocean, which causes rain. Paradoxically, the Sahara
was wetter when it received more solar insolation in the
summer. And that summer solar insolation  is affected
by the cyclically changing orbital parameters of the
Earth and its present Ice Age.

    So, the present desertification of the southern
Sahara is the result of the fact that monsoon winds
don't reach it anymore, since about 3400 BC, and
that is the result of the Earth long-term Global Cooling
ever since 4000 BC. These dates seem to me to
correspond pretty well with the ones in the article
Darren cited.

If you stand back (like off the planet completely) and
look at it, Africa is a block of continental crust 5000
miles by 4600 miles and raised about 2000 feet above
sea level with bordering mountains and plateaus along
its east edge and some of its north edge.

    South America, on the other hand, is a similarly
situated block of continental crust with bordering
mountains and plateaus along its west edge and some
of its north edge. Because of this completely different
pattern of "rain-shadows," the fact that the dry Sahara
and sopping wet Amazonia occupy functionally identical
places on the planet climate-wise does not produce
the same results at all! No Sahara-like desert in South
America, except west of the mountains.

    "Desertification" is not restricted to deserts. The
decline in rainfall during these last 6000 years of Global
Cooling (hotter means wetter, remember?) has caused
drying up of one of the greatest inland lakes of all time,
which occupied the present Congo River Basin and was
350,000 square miles in area, more than twice the size
of the Caspian "Sea" (now the largest lake) and over
four times the size of Lake Superior. (The former Congo
"Sea" was circular and 600-700 miles across.)

When the Congo "Sea" was fullest, it overflowed
through the Shari River into Lake Chad (or Tchad,
if you like), and made it almost as big as itself, at the
end of the last glaciation. The Chad "Sea" extended
far north (and south and east and west) of its present
location, covering 150,000 to 250,000 square miles.
The Lake was at its largest 6000 years ago at the peak
of climatic warmth (and the strongest monsoon).

    All this talk of water, water everywhere when we're
talking about the Great Sand Sea of the Sahara, which
contains almost one million cubic kilometers of sand,
may seem a little odd, but sand and water are involved
in a critical interaction. Saharan sand is generated largely
by aeolian processes. This creates the possibility of a
positive feedback cycle. If wind-generated sand is not
removed from the landscape, then it is available as a
suitable abrasive for making more sand, which then
makes even more...

    What removes sand is rain, a good abrupt torrential
downpour (like the monsoon) washes it into the riverbeds
and lake bottoms and eventually out to sea. Without rain,
sand just piles up! Wind won't remove it; wind just uses
sand to make more sand. So, enough water means no sand
and not enough water means ever-increasing sand and...
That's the way sand deserts grow.

    An enterprising species, given to planetary management,
could reverse the process.

    The Congo "Sea" and the Chad "Sea" could easily be
restored. The Congo "Sea" existed even though there was
drainage of the Congo river through the gorges of the
Chenal. The Chenal has an energetic drainage, falling 800
feet in less than 200 miles, so the river has cut itself so deeply
as to drain the Congo "Sea" away and shallowing it so that
evaporation could get the upper hand. Dam the Chenal gorges
and the Congo Basin fills up again, overflows the Shari, fills Lake
Chad, which would then drain through the wadi's to the NW,
curve to the east, and empty into the Mediterranean in Tunisia!

    Rainfall would go up to many times the current rate, sand
would start to wash out, and in a (geologically) short time, sand
would be hard to find! The Sahara would be navigable by boat,
and Moroccan merchants (I have no doubt) would sail down to
the Chad Sea and trade along its 2000-mile-long shore of many
prosperous farm towns. There would in fact be a freshwater
"sea" waterway through the interior of Africa from the edge of
the Mediterranean as far south as the edges of Zambia and
Angola.

    The Earth, just like any other planet, can be "terraformed,"
you know.



Sterling K. Webb
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darren Garrison" <cynapse at charter.net>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] When the Sahara was wetter (relevant to 
yourinterests)


On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:13:18 EDT, you wrote:

>  I too have considered the effects of a wetter sahara and how it  affected
>meteorites.It is unreal how many meteorites comes out of that desert  and 
>all
>the others seem to only give up a few.I am glad they do come out and  give 
>us a
>chance to study and compare to the pitiful little earth rocks we  find.

My meteorite collecting (and, really, awareness that there even is a 
meteorite
collecting market) began after the Sahara "gold rush" started, and my 
collection
strongly reflects that.  How old those really weathered meteorites coming 
out of
NWA are is interesting (and a data point in determining fall rate).  I 
already
knew that the Sahara was much wetter in the past-- but a data point that it 
was
much wetter as recently as 4,500 years ago is interesting-- and I would 
think it
would push the possible age for the weathered meteorites forwards (some, I
believe, have been estimated to be 10s of thousands of years old).
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From geoking at notkin.net  Sun Aug 17 16:16:23 2008
From: geoking at notkin.net (Notkin)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 13:16:23 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] [AD] Sunday eBay RFS ending + Tucson Dates?
Message-ID: <7667C259-CBE8-430E-ACB7-D0CAE670E566@notkin.net>

Dear Listees:

Greetings from Tucson, AZ, the meteorite capital of the world.


We have some cool meteorites ending in a few hours on eBay, including  
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www.campometeorites.com

From Impactika at aol.com  Sun Aug 17 16:46:30 2008
From: Impactika at aol.com (Impactika at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:46:30 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] When the Sahara was wetter (relevant to
	yourinterests)
Message-ID: <c9c.2dd278b5.35d9e826@aol.com>

Hi Sterling and all,
 
And here is another Wikipedia article you might want to look at:
 
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garamantes_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garamantes)   
 
Only 2000 years ago, central-southern Libya was a prosperous area, a  big 
supplier of grain to the Roman Empire. And a lot of meteorites have  been found 
in the area.
 
You could also look uo:  Timbuktu, Gao and the other African  Kingdoms.
 
Any body else interested by archaeology, and how it relates to  meteorites?
 
Anne M. Black
_www.IMPACTIKA.com_ (http://www.IMPACTIKA.com) 
_IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com) 
Vice-President of  IMCA
_www.IMCA.cc_ (http://www.IMCA.cc)  




In a message dated 8/17/2008 2:14:04 PM Mountain Daylight Time,  
sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net writes:
Hi, Darren, Herman,  List,

The Sahara appears to have cycled back  and
forth many times, from extremely dry to quite
wet over the last  hundreds of thousands of
years. There's even a theory that says  these
climatic changes are responsible for major human
movement out of  Africa, the Sahara Pump  Theory:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahara_Pump_Theory

The question is water, that is, rainfall. And that
depends on the monsoon  winds which are caused
by summer heating. Air over the center of the  continent
becomes warmer and rises, pulling in cool wet air from
the  ocean, which causes rain. Paradoxically, the Sahara
was wetter when it  received more solar insolation in the
summer. And that summer solar  insolation  is affected
by the cyclically changing orbital parameters of  the
Earth and its present Ice Age.

So, the present  desertification of the southern
Sahara is the result of the fact that monsoon  winds
don't reach it anymore, since about 3400 BC, and
that is the result  of the Earth long-term Global Cooling
ever since 4000 BC. These dates seem to  me to
correspond pretty well with the ones in the article
Darren  cited.

If you stand back (like off the planet completely) and
look at  it, Africa is a block of continental crust 5000
miles by 4600 miles and  raised about 2000 feet above
sea level with bordering mountains and plateaus  along
its east edge and some of its north edge.

South America, on the other hand, is a similarly
situated block of  continental crust with bordering
mountains and plateaus along its west edge  and some
of its north edge. Because of this completely different
pattern  of "rain-shadows," the fact that the dry Sahara
and sopping wet Amazonia  occupy functionally identical
places on the planet climate-wise does not  produce
the same results at all! No Sahara-like desert in South
America,  except west of the mountains.

"Desertification" is not  restricted to deserts. The
decline in rainfall during these last 6000 years  of Global
Cooling (hotter means wetter, remember?) has caused
drying up of  one of the greatest inland lakes of all time,
which occupied the present  Congo River Basin and was
350,000 square miles in area, more than twice the  size
of the Caspian "Sea" (now the largest lake) and over
four times the  size of Lake Superior. (The former Congo
"Sea" was circular and 600-700 miles  across.)

When the Congo "Sea" was fullest, it overflowed
through the  Shari River into Lake Chad (or Tchad,
if you like), and made it almost as big  as itself, at the
end of the last glaciation. The Chad "Sea" extended
far  north (and south and east and west) of its present
location, covering 150,000  to 250,000 square miles.
The Lake was at its largest 6000 years ago at the  peak
of climatic warmth (and the strongest  monsoon).

All this talk of water, water everywhere  when we're
talking about the Great Sand Sea of the Sahara, which
contains  almost one million cubic kilometers of sand,
may seem a little odd, but sand  and water are involved
in a critical interaction. Saharan sand is generated  largely
by aeolian processes. This creates the possibility of a
positive  feedback cycle. If wind-generated sand is not
removed from the landscape,  then it is available as a
suitable abrasive for making more sand, which  then
makes even more...

What removes sand is rain,  a good abrupt torrential
downpour (like the monsoon) washes it into the  riverbeds
and lake bottoms and eventually out to sea. Without rain,
sand  just piles up! Wind won't remove it; wind just uses
sand to make more sand.  So, enough water means no sand
and not enough water means ever-increasing  sand and...
That's the way sand deserts grow.

An  enterprising species, given to planetary management,
could reverse the  process.

The Congo "Sea" and the Chad "Sea" could  easily be
restored. The Congo "Sea" existed even though there was
drainage  of the Congo river through the gorges of the
Chenal. The Chenal has an  energetic drainage, falling 800
feet in less than 200 miles, so the river has  cut itself so deeply
as to drain the Congo "Sea" away and shallowing it so  that
evaporation could get the upper hand. Dam the Chenal gorges
and the  Congo Basin fills up again, overflows the Shari, fills Lake
Chad, which would  then drain through the wadi's to the NW,
curve to the east, and empty into  the Mediterranean in Tunisia!

Rainfall would go up to  many times the current rate, sand
would start to wash out, and in a  (geologically) short time, sand
would be hard to find! The Sahara would be  navigable by boat,
and Moroccan merchants (I have no doubt) would sail down  to
the Chad Sea and trade along its 2000-mile-long shore of  many
prosperous farm towns. There would in fact be a freshwater
"sea"  waterway through the interior of Africa from the edge of
the Mediterranean as  far south as the edges of Zambia and
Angola.

The  Earth, just like any other planet, can be "terraformed,"
you  know.



Sterling K.  Webb
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----  Original Message ----- 
From: "Darren Garrison"  <cynapse at charter.net>
To:  <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008  2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] When the Sahara was wetter (relevant to  
yourinterests)


On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:13:18 EDT, you  wrote:

>  I too have considered the effects of a wetter sahara  and how it  affected
>meteorites.It is unreal how many meteorites  comes out of that desert  and 
>all
>the others seem to only  give up a few.I am glad they do come out and  give 
>us  a
>chance to study and compare to the pitiful little earth rocks we   find.

My meteorite collecting (and, really, awareness that there even is  a 
meteorite
collecting market) began after the Sahara "gold rush"  started, and my 
collection
strongly reflects that.  How old those  really weathered meteorites coming 
out of
NWA are is interesting (and a  data point in determining fall rate).  I 
already
knew that the  Sahara was much wetter in the past-- but a data point that it 
was
much  wetter as recently as 4,500 years ago is interesting-- and I would 
think  it
would push the possible age for the weathered meteorites forwards (some,  I
believe, have been estimated to be 10s of thousands of years  old).
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From bobadebt at ec.rr.com  Sun Aug 17 17:38:47 2008
From: bobadebt at ec.rr.com (David & Kitt Deyarmin)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:38:47 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Did you sell me a Toluca Meteorite?
Message-ID: <1EFF9A0D3B994B3E95B524E95149DA34@David>

I'm working on the back story of my Toluca Sphere but can't seem to find the 
emails from the person that sold me the whole specimen.

If you are a member of this list please contact me at bobadebt at ec.rr.com

Thanks 


From grf2 at verizon.net  Sun Aug 17 18:44:22 2008
From: grf2 at verizon.net (Jerry)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:44:22 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] When the Sahara was wetter (relevant to
 yourinterests)
In-Reply-To: <oeiga4hd06f2ojjiet8279iqm22lu7tug3@4ax.com>
References: <DIIE.000000B500003016@paulinet.de>
	<8bgfa4h1t9bs93tk732eg8l0gd3m5gi3jp@4ax.com>
	<oeiga4hd06f2ojjiet8279iqm22lu7tug3@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <5DF282E4B36C49CE93C9344833112344@Notebook>

I remain an avid Darren reader.
Jerry Flaherty
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darren Garrison" <cynapse at charter.net>
To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] When the Sahara was wetter (relevant to 
yourinterests)


>I had this comment from someone (who I'll allow to remain anonymous) on 
>this
> news post:
>
> "You post more non-meteorite related crap than the next ten people"
>
> So I thought I'd comment just a little more on the article, as I replied 
> to said
> person:
>
> "There has been debate on the list about the terrestrial ages of weathered 
> NWA
> (meaning-- from the Sahara) meteorites.  How long meteorites take before
> weathering away is related to exposure to water.  Evidence of the Sahara 
> being
> verdant less than 5,000 years ago puts a constraint on the estimates of 
> Saharan
> meteorites being tens of thousands of years old."
>
> "Other news posts I make are related to solar system and planetary 
> formation,
> which are directly relevant to meteorite formation, and about meteorite 
> parent
> bodies, such as the moon and Mars.  If you actually care about the science 
> of
> meteorites, then those things should interest you."
>
> (latter suggestion trimmed)
> ______________________________________________
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From meteorites at optushome.com.au  Sun Aug 17 19:09:40 2008
From: meteorites at optushome.com.au (Norbert & Heike Kammel)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:09:40 +1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] impact craters of N.A., S.A., Africa, Europe,
 Australia and Asia completed
In-Reply-To: <479906.20717.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <479906.20717.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <48A8AFB4.9020207@optushome.com.au>

Thanks for this info, Dirk.

There are quite a few Aussie craters I have not known of until now.
I will have a nice google search on a few to see if they would be 
accessable to me and not too far away, considering the the fuel costs 
for getting there.
You well deserve a nice clap on your back for a job well done.
Thanks a lot for your efforts, Mate!

Best regards from Down-Under,

Norbert Kammel
IMCA # 3420
www.rocksonfire.com

drtanuki wrote:
> Dear List,
>   I hve completed what pages and entries for impact craters that I can for the the above areas.  Please have a look.  The pages will be updated as time permits with corrections and more additions.
>
>  If you have a confirmed crater that you would like added please ask.  If you notice any corrections needed, please let me know off-list.
>
>   Thank you.  In the short future I will add a page on how to use Google Earth as a search tool for impact crater hunting.
>
> BEST ALWAYS, DIRK ROSS...TOKYO
>
> http://meteoritesjapan.com/africacraters.aspx
>
> http://meteoritesjapan.com/asiacraters.aspx
>
> http://meteoritesjapan.com/aussicraters.aspx
>
>
> http://meteoritesjapan.com/eurocraters.aspx
>
> http://meteoritesjapan.com/SAcraters.aspx
>
>
> http://meteoritesjapan.com/nortecraters.aspx
>
>
>   THESE FIVE PAGES REPRESENT OVER ONE WEEK`S WORK, PLEASE ENJOY!!!!!
>
> http://meteoritesjapan.com/default.aspx
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
>   

From cynapse at charter.net  Sun Aug 17 19:40:51 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:40:51 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Great Planet Debate
In-Reply-To: <1635.65.111.70.130.1218794738.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu>
References: <1635.65.111.70.130.1218794738.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu>
Message-ID: <shcha41n5v4cu2av0910o7rf22h7lv3llg@4ax.com>

On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 03:05:38 -0700 (MST), you wrote:

>Hi Everyone:
>
>Did anyone see The Great Planet Debate yesterday between Mark Sykes and
>Neil Tyson? If so, I would be interested in your reactions to it. I am
>here in Maryland at the conference (the debate was webcast and I have been
>told that it would be "posted" or maybe even on YouTube in a week or so).

No debate audio yet, but here's the panel discussion (audio only):

http://gpd.jhuapl.edu/debate/index.php

Here is the audio on Youtube with photos of the panelist shown while they speak
(can't find part 5 of 5)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4y9COJbpyA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x19R50-e848

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATU_E_iiMmg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEiQDIBolsE&feature=related

From lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu  Sun Aug 17 19:52:10 2008
From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu (lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:52:10 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Great Planet Debate
In-Reply-To: <shcha41n5v4cu2av0910o7rf22h7lv3llg@4ax.com>
References: <1635.65.111.70.130.1218794738.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu>
	<shcha41n5v4cu2av0910o7rf22h7lv3llg@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <49742.71.226.60.25.1219017130.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu>

Hi Darren:

Just got back from the meeting. Thanks for posting this. I did not know
that they were going to put it on UTube. If part five does not show up on
Monday, I will contact them to see what might have happened (this may have
been put up by one of the press and not by the organizers). I would be
interested to "see" if the second panel discussion will be posted (from
Friday). Someone did record it.

Thanks again,

LArry

On Sun, August 17, 2008 4:40 pm, Darren Garrison wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 03:05:38 -0700 (MST), you wrote:
>
>
>> Hi Everyone:
>>
>>
>> Did anyone see The Great Planet Debate yesterday between Mark Sykes and
>>  Neil Tyson? If so, I would be interested in your reactions to it. I am
>>  here in Maryland at the conference (the debate was webcast and I have
>> been told that it would be "posted" or maybe even on YouTube in a week
>> or so).
>
> No debate audio yet, but here's the panel discussion (audio only):
>
>
> http://gpd.jhuapl.edu/debate/index.php
>
>
> Here is the audio on Youtube with photos of the panelist shown while they
> speak (can't find part 5 of 5)
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4y9COJbpyA
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x19R50-e848
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATU_E_iiMmg
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEiQDIBolsE&feature=related
>
>



From bristolia at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 17 23:14:32 2008
From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:14:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Russian Sikohote Aline Meteorite Film
Message-ID: <833753.31200.qm@web36203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dear Friends,

While looking for something else, I came across the below Russian 
meteorite film in the Library of Congress Cataloge.

"THE SIKHOTE ALINE METEORITE  (1956)                      FEA 1315-16
Central Documentary Film Studio                          35mm
Dir: I. Gradov, Consultant: V. Fesenkov

A well-photographed documentary film on the scientific
investigation of the Sikhote Aline Meteorite that fell in Siberia in
1947.  Print is in good shape, with one splice.  Probably of most
interest to specialists, either in meteorology or those interested in
Soviet scientific methods in the late 1940s.

English track."

http://www.loc.gov/rr/mopic/findaid/russian.html

Yours,

Paul H.



      

From bristolia at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 18 00:09:02 2008
From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 21:09:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Sahara Paleoclimate was "When the Sahara was
	wetter (relevant to your interests)"
Message-ID: <831122.63856.qm@web36208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

David Garrison wrote:

" http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f79/bougainvillea1/Relevant_to_interests_hedgehog.jpg

How wet and for how long and how recently the Sahara 
was wet of course is a determining factor in the ages 
of the older Saharaian meteorites. (of course the 1,000 
years ago is an error on the part of the article writer

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26203952/

Remains of cemetery found in Sahara A thousand 
years ago, the now-barren desert was moist and 
green By Randolph E. Schmid updated 6:28 p.m. 
ET, Thurs., Aug. 14, 2008"

The dissication of the Sahara Desert is discussed in 
"Climate and environmental history of the Sahara: the 
last 6000 years" by Dr.Patrick Honecker at:

http://www.pressoffice.uni-koeln.de/1651+M5f856bfc5ae.html

He states:

"The results of this work document a progressive drying 
of theregional terrestrial ecosystem between 5600 and 
2700 years ago, in response to gradually decreasing 
tropical monsoon rainfall. This drying followed a logical 
ecological sequence starting with tropical grassland trees 
and herbs being replaced by typical Sahel vegetation, 
followed by loss of grass cover and establishment of
the modern desert plant community that is largely 
restricted to oases."

and

"In summary, this new environmental reconstruction from 
within the Sahara proper strongly contrasts with the 
generally accepted hypothesis that the ?green Sahara? 
which existed between 10,000 and ~6000 years ago had ended 
abruptly."

The paper ("work") discussing the paleoclimatology of the 
Sahara Desert is:

Francus, P.,  J.-P. Cazet, M. Fagot, B. Rumes, J. M. Russell, 
F. Darius, D. J. Conley, M. Schuster, H. von Suchodoletz, and 
D. R. Engstrom, 2008 Climate-Driven Ecosystem Succession in 
the Sahara: The Past 6000 Years. Science. vol. 320, no. 5877, 
pp. 765-768.

The abstract to this paper can be found at:

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/320/5877/765
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18467583?dopt=Abstract

Their paleoenvironmental reconstruction of the pollen from a
continuous core covering 6000-year from northern Chad indicates 
a "progressive drying of the regional terrestrial ecosystem" 
that resulted in strong reductions in tropical trees and then 
Sahelian grassland cover" and "large-scale dust mobilization" 
starting about 4300 calendar years before the present. They 
concluded that "today's desert ecosystem and regional wind 
regime were established around 2700 calendar years before 
the present."

A PDF file of this paper can be found at:

http://www.old.uni-bayreuth.de/departments/geomorph/docs/Kroepelinetal_2008.pdf

A discussion of this paper can be found in "Study: 
Sahara Gradually Dried Up Over 6,000 Years" at:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90289718

Another recent paper about the paleoclimatology of the 
Sahara Desert is;

Bubenzer1, O., and H. Riemer, 2007, Holocene Climatic 
Change and Human Settlement Between the Central Sahara 
and the Nile Valley: Archaeological and Geomorphological 
Results. Geoarchaeology, vol. 22, no. 6, 607?620.

For the eastern Sahara, they conclude:

"The evidence derived from archaeological excavations and 
surveys coupled to nearly 500 14C dates (Figure 2) suggests 
that the Holocene wet phase lasted from approximately 
9500?6000 B.P. (9000?5000 cal. B.C., calibration: dispersion 
calibration program, Cologne 2001, www.calpal.de). After 
the hyper-arid Pleistocene, the tropical summer rain front 
moved about 700?1000 km northward (e.g., Haynes, 1987;
Neumann, 1989a; Pachur and Hoelzmann, 2000), which 
initiated more humid conditions in the Eastern Sahara."

Notice that the Pleistocene before 9,500 BP was hyper-arid 
and the "wet" Sahara was only from 9500?6000 B.P.

An interesting web page on this topic is "Africa During the 
Last 150,000 Years" by Jonathan Adams at:

http://www.esd.ornl.gov/projects/qen/nercAFRICA.html
http://www.esd.ornl.gov/projects/qen/new_africa.html
http://www.esd.ornl.gov/projects/qen/refs.html

This is what he has to say about the Sahara:

"(dates in Guo et al are given in 14C years ago on the 
left, approximate calibrated of 'real' dates are given 
on the right)

Moist 9,500-8,200 14C ya (10,400-9,100 ya)
Slight drying 8,200-8,000 14C ya (9,100-8,900 ya)
Moist 8,000-7,000 14C ya (8,900-7,900 ya)
Moderately dry 7,000-5,700 14C ya (7,900-6,500 ya)
Moist 5,700-4,000 14C ya (6,500-4,500 ya)
Very dry - as dry as at present - 4,000-3,800 14C ya (4,500-4,100 ya)
Slightly moister than present 3,800-3,500 14C ya (4,100-3,700 ya)
After 3,500 14C ya (3,700 ya). Remaining about as dry as at present"

Yours,

Paul H.


      

From codale0806 at rogers.com  Mon Aug 18 08:21:07 2008
From: codale0806 at rogers.com (Charles O'Dale)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 05:21:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] impact craters of N.A.,
In-Reply-To: <mailman.362.1219029276.94800.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <933059.22431.qm@web88006.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Dirk:

Don't forget Pingualuit, 

N 61? 17' W 73? 40'

If all goes well, I should be walking around that crater rim next week. I'll send you a couple of images.

Chuck
http://www.ottawa.rasc.ca/articles/odale_chuck/earth_craters/index.html

> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:20:20 -0700 (PDT)
> From: drtanuki <drtanuki at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] impact craters of N.A., S.A.,
> Africa,
> 	Europe,	Australia and Asia completed
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Message-ID:
> <479906.20717.qm at web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> Dear List,
>   I hve completed what pages and entries for impact craters
> that I can for the the above areas.  Please have a look. 
> The pages will be updated as time permits with corrections
> and more additions.
> 
>  If you have a confirmed crater that you would like added
> please ask.  If you notice any corrections needed, please
> let me know off-list.
> 
>   Thank you.  In the short future I will add a page on how
> to use Google Earth as a search tool for impact crater
> hunting.
> 
> BEST ALWAYS, DIRK ROSS...TOKYO
> 
> http://meteoritesjapan.com/africacraters.aspx
> 
> http://meteoritesjapan.com/asiacraters.aspx
> 
> http://meteoritesjapan.com/aussicraters.aspx
> 
> 
> http://meteoritesjapan.com/eurocraters.aspx
> 
> http://meteoritesjapan.com/SAcraters.aspx
> 
> 
> http://meteoritesjapan.com/nortecraters.aspx
> 
> 
>   THESE FIVE PAGES REPRESENT OVER ONE WEEK`S WORK, PLEASE
> ENJOY!!!!!
> 
> http://meteoritesjapan.com/default.aspx
> 
> 
> 

From bristolia at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 18 09:15:01 2008
From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:15:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite impact structures: the good and the bad
Message-ID: <216957.12454.qm@web36206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

While looking for something else I came across a general article
about impact structures. It is:

Osinsk, G. R., 1999, Meteorite impact structures: the good and 
the bad. Geology Today. vol. 24, no. 1, pp. 13-19.

The PDF file is at:

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/fulltext/119400823/PDFSTART

The abstract is at:

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/119400823/abstract

Yours,

Paul H.


      

From p.marmet at sunrise.ch  Mon Aug 18 11:39:31 2008
From: p.marmet at sunrise.ch (Peter Marmet)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:39:31 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - More slices of NWA 5230 (EUCP)
Message-ID: <578F41CF-D3C2-44DD-8E9F-E26946FBCBB9@sunrise.ch>

Hello All,

the response to my AD for NWA 5230 was overwhelming, so I removed all  
sold and added a few more slices:

http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/id41.html

FYI:
NWA 5230, a maskelynite rich polymict eucrite breccia! Analized by  
Tony Irwing, who writes:
"We made a discovery of a small mesodiderite clast in it. This is an  
important observation that adds
to the growing evidence for a common parent body for HEDDO and  MESO  
meteorites!
NWA 5230 is paired with NWA 4883. TKW is 909 g. Main mass:  
Spacejewels, M. Jost.

More meteorites for sale:

Chondrites:  http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/id1.html

Carbonaceous chondrites:  http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/id43.html

Museum pieces:
http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/id26.html
http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/id25.html

Thank you,
Peter

Peter Marmet
Bern, Switzerland
IMCA #2747
p.marmet at mysunrise.ch
http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/

From MeteorHntr at aol.com  Mon Aug 18 12:24:10 2008
From: MeteorHntr at aol.com (MeteorHntr at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:24:10 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] World Meteorite Day Aug. 23
Message-ID: <d4b.37d42d42.35dafc2a@aol.com>

Hey Guys,

Wow, our very own "World  Meteorite  Day!"

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/1219029910313020
.xml&coll=7

Don't  forget to mark you calendars.  

The Steve Arnold  




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From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Mon Aug 18 16:53:57 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 18 Aug 2008 20:53:57 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Anita's article in the current issue of METEORITE
	(pp. 19-21)
Message-ID: <DIIE.000000B900003026@paulinet.de>

Hello Anita and List,

Anita Westlake's article in the current issue of METEORITE entitled
"Hall of Meteorites" is another "must read", especially if you still don't
know how to display your collection and give it a "personal touch".

I really loved these comments:

"After all, that was one more (meteorite) than most people had..."

"There are only two solutions and I do not care for either one of them:

1. Do not buy any more meteorites,
2. Just move them and get over it.

I got over it ..."

Best to all of you,

Bernd



From bobadebt at ec.rr.com  Mon Aug 18 18:36:03 2008
From: bobadebt at ec.rr.com (David & Kitt Deyarmin)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:36:03 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list]  I want to join the IMCA - Seeking mebership
Message-ID: <5B09AB22ED0D4CF4A1A9EF35BEB51E07@David>

I received enough referrals to join the IMCA.

Thank you to EVERYONE that offered :)

From mikewren at gilanet.com  Mon Aug 18 22:31:18 2008
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:31:18 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: A Spectacular Auction Run Tomorrow! Over $5,
	000.00 worth of Meteorites, started at 0.99 cents...Highlights Added
Message-ID: <200808182033811.SM00760@yourfsyly0jtwn>



________________________________________
From: michael cottingham [mailto:mikewren at gilanet.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 11:31 AM
To: 'michael cottingham'
Subject: AD: A Spectacular Auction Run This Week! Over $5,000.00 worth of
Meteorites, started at 0.99 cents...Highlights Added

Hello,

Getting close to the busy season as far as meteorites sales go. and I am
starting the season off with a great selection of meteorites, well worth
thousands of dollars, started at 0.99 cents! Check out my ebay store for
recently listed goodies.

http://stores.ebay.com/VOYAGE-BOTANICA-NATURAL-HISTORY

or check out these highlights...

Go to:

Nice H6 From Texas, OZONA, 284 gram, A Very Nice Large Specimen!
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Endcut of NWA 2831, L4, 85.95 gram (NEW), Nice specimen!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245282215

Super Rare GEORGETOWN, Australia, 8.19 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245707285

Awesome"Hammer Stone" WORDEN, Michigan, .112g, Rare, Rare, Rare!
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Very Beautiful FUKANG, Pallasite 13.23 gram, Well Worth Over $500.00+ 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245285976

Super Rare HAMLET, Indiana, LL4 Fall, 0.14g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245282230

Complete Slice, (NEW), NWA 4978, L5, 105g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245282233

Beautiful Iron, Sweden, MUONIONALUSTA, 276 g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245282242

Rare TRES CASTILLOS, Mexico, IRUNGR, 0.43g, Only Piece I have for sale!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245282251

(NEW), NWA 5053, L4, 140.56 gram, Large Slice
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245282238

Ungrouped Ataxite, DRONINO, Russia, 620g, LARGE PIECE!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245285994

(NEW) STEINS, New Mexico, L/LL4, 0.45 gram, Down to my last specimens!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245840932

Seldom Available TWODOT, Montana, H6, 2.66g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245837682

VYATKA From Russia, H4/5, 6.54 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245837698

(NEW), NWA 5054, Wholesale Lot, L5, 520g #5
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245286027

Spectacular Diogenite, NWA 4755, 2.84 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245286017

(NEW) An Amazing LL5, NWA 2380, 35.72 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245286006

Very Rare and Beautiful, NWA 801, CR2, 3.29g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245286000

Very Rare DHOFAR 007,Cumulate Eucrite, 3.78g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245285980

(NEW), LA LUZ, New Mexico, H4, LTKW, 2.14g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245285961

DALGETY DOWNS, Australia, L4, 74.06 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245282258

A very Rare EL3 From Africa, NWA 2965, 212g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245285970

A Classic H4 From Texas-DIMMITT, 3.70 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245285969

Beautiful L3, SAHARA 02500, 34.02 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245285971

Rare LL3.5 Chondrite, NWA 2920, 3.34 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245837702

Low Known Weight, TAHOKA, Texas, L5, 0.80g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245286021

Rare Fall From Canada PEACE RIVER, L6
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200246346718

One of THE RAREST- HONOLULU, Hawaii, 0.072g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200246347105

SEYMCHAN Meteorite with Beautiful Etching, 194 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200246346278

Superb MONTURAQUI Impactite Individual 8.44g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245286011

A Classic, OZONA, Texas, H6 Chondrite, 6.74g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245285966

NORTHBRANCH, Kansas, H5, 2.08 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245837690


Thanks and Best Wishes

Michael Cottingham














From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Tue Aug 19 02:14:55 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 19 Aug 2008 06:14:55 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Anita's article in the current issue of
	METEORITE(pp. 19-21)
Message-ID: <DIIE.000000AC0000302E@paulinet.de>

Pete inquired: "Where  does one get a copy of the article?"

==> http://meteoritemag.uark.edu/index.htm <==

Cheers,

Bernd




From almitt at kconline.com  Tue Aug 19 08:20:06 2008
From: almitt at kconline.com (ALMitt)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:20:06 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad: Ebay Auctions Ending Soon
In-Reply-To: <216957.12454.qm@web36206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <216957.12454.qm@web36206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <48AABA76.9040702@kconline.com>

Greetings, I have some ebay items closing in about a day. These include 
a very nice Odessa, Texas 198 grams, Allende slice 75 grams, Richfield 
Kansas LL3.7, Gibeon whole specimen 113 gm, larger NWA 869 at 724 gm, 
Three Lost City Oklahoma specimens one gram + and under, Travis County, 
Texas which has a unique story behind the find, Suizhou China Meteorite 
H5 (fall), and Tenham Australia. These items can be viewed at: 
http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/almittmet

I hope to be able to put more items in the next coming week. Any 
questions feel free to email me or contact me through ebay. All my best!

--AL Mitterling

From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Tue Aug 19 08:51:07 2008
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:51:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 19,
	2008
Message-ID: <31164950.1150141219150267772.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_19_2008.html


From grf2 at verizon.net  Tue Aug 19 10:01:01 2008
From: grf2 at verizon.net (Jerry)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:01:01 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August
	19, 2008
In-Reply-To: <31164950.1150141219150267772.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>
References: <31164950.1150141219150267772.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>
Message-ID: <DE7F779142544966A2FE268E6EF5EA28@Notebook>

HEAVEN'S SPEAR
Jerry Flaherty
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To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 8:51 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 19, 
2008


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From Metorman46 at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 12:33:46 2008
From: Metorman46 at aol.com (Metorman46 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:33:46 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 19,
	2008
Message-ID: <d01.39e94944.35dc4fea@aol.com>

WOW! What a beautiful specimen.You have hit the nwa jackpot with this one.a  
picture of the back side would be very much appreciated and enjoyed.Thanks for 
 posting.
 
Best 
Regards;Herman Archer IMCA#2770



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From marcin at polandmet.com  Tue Aug 19 13:30:25 2008
From: marcin at polandmet.com (PolandMET)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:30:25 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August
	19, 2008
References: <d01.39e94944.35dc4fea@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002e01c90221$450e2120$0d00000a@polandmezrd5i9>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Metorman46 at aol.com>
> WOW! What a beautiful specimen.You have hit the nwa jackpot with this 
> one.a
> picture of the back side would be very much appreciated and enjoyed.Thanks 
> for
> posting.
>
> Best
> Regards;Herman Archer IMCA#2770

Heh, Thanks
Yes, specimen is very nice and will stay in my collection becouse I need 
specimens like this to show peoples how meteorites looks like. 
Unfortunatelly, it is impossible when I show my slices or small specimens. 
They are beautifull only for us, collectors and dealers.

On back side it is not that beautifull like on the front side, but hey, this 
is not Sikhote-Alin :) or Ziz.
Back side have sand glued to the surface, and the other flat side have 
crack. Specimen is 98% complete and its really best one to show as a example 
of a real meteorite.

Thanks everyone for watching !

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From mikewren at gilanet.com  Tue Aug 19 18:20:15 2008
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:20:15 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: A Spectacular Auction Run ENDING TODAY! Over
	$5, 000.00 worth of Meteorites,
	started at 0.99 cents...Highlights Added
Message-ID: <200808191622741.SM00760@yourfsyly0jtwn>




From mikewren at gilanet.com  Tue Aug 19 18:23:19 2008
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:23:19 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: A Spectacular Auction Ending Today! Over $5,
	000.00 worth of Meteorites, started at 0.99 cents...Highlights Added
Message-ID: <200808191625901.SM00760@yourfsyly0jtwn>






________________________________________

Hello,

Getting close to the busy season as far as meteorites sales go. and I am
starting the season off with a great selection of meteorites, well worth
thousands of dollars, started at 0.99 cents! Check out my ebay store for
recently listed goodies.

http://stores.ebay.com/VOYAGE-BOTANICA-NATURAL-HISTORY

or check out these highlights...

Go to:

Nice H6 From Texas, OZONA, 284 gram, A Very Nice Large Specimen!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245840925

Endcut of NWA 2831, L4, 85.95 gram (NEW), Nice specimen!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245282215

Super Rare GEORGETOWN, Australia, 8.19 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245707285

Awesome"Hammer Stone" WORDEN, Michigan, .112g, Rare, Rare, Rare!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245282220

Very Beautiful FUKANG, Pallasite 13.23 gram, Well Worth Over $500.00+ 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245285976

Super Rare HAMLET, Indiana, LL4 Fall, 0.14g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245282230

Complete Slice, (NEW), NWA 4978, L5, 105g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245282233

Beautiful Iron, Sweden, MUONIONALUSTA, 276 g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245282242

Rare TRES CASTILLOS, Mexico, IRUNGR, 0.43g, Only Piece I have for sale!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245282251

(NEW), NWA 5053, L4, 140.56 gram, Large Slice
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245282238

Ungrouped Ataxite, DRONINO, Russia, 620g, LARGE PIECE!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245285994

(NEW) STEINS, New Mexico, L/LL4, 0.45 gram, Down to my last specimens!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245840932

Seldom Available TWODOT, Montana, H6, 2.66g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245837682

VYATKA From Russia, H4/5, 6.54 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245837698

(NEW), NWA 5054, Wholesale Lot, L5, 520g #5
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245286027

Spectacular Diogenite, NWA 4755, 2.84 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245286017

(NEW) An Amazing LL5, NWA 2380, 35.72 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245286006

Very Rare and Beautiful, NWA 801, CR2, 3.29g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245286000

Very Rare DHOFAR 007,Cumulate Eucrite, 3.78g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245285980

(NEW), LA LUZ, New Mexico, H4, LTKW, 2.14g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245285961

DALGETY DOWNS, Australia, L4, 74.06 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245282258

A very Rare EL3 From Africa, NWA 2965, 212g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245285970

A Classic H4 From Texas-DIMMITT, 3.70 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245285969

Beautiful L3, SAHARA 02500, 34.02 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245285971

Rare LL3.5 Chondrite, NWA 2920, 3.34 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245837702

Low Known Weight, TAHOKA, Texas, L5, 0.80g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245286021

Rare Fall From Canada PEACE RIVER, L6
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200246346718

One of THE RAREST- HONOLULU, Hawaii, 0.072g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200246347105

SEYMCHAN Meteorite with Beautiful Etching, 194 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200246346278

Superb MONTURAQUI Impactite Individual 8.44g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245286011

A Classic, OZONA, Texas, H6 Chondrite, 6.74g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245285966

NORTHBRANCH, Kansas, H5, 2.08 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200245837690


Thanks and Best Wishes

Michael Cottingham













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From bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 19 19:34:56 2008
From: bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com (mckinney trammell)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:34:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] need brahin megachunk cut
Message-ID: <39082.96499.qm@web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

any cutting pro's out there? i need one of those pie-wedge megachunx cut on a thin blade, paralell to the  large surfaces. i don't want a $200 wire cut- just a basic cut, but it will take a seasoned pro to do it for $$$. email off list.


      

From scyphocrinites at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 19 19:39:12 2008
From: scyphocrinites at yahoo.com (Malek Youssef)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:39:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad : 781g CV3 / 5 kg NWA xxx Chondrite
Message-ID: <132717.4340.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hello All
I have for sale 781 gr of nice CV3 Meteorites , and a nice NWA XXX Chondrite weighting 5kg , If you are interested , please feel free to email me .
http://www.geocities.com/scyphocrinites9/cv.htm
Kind Regards
Malek Youssef


      

From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Tue Aug 19 20:19:50 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:19:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Astronomers Find an Unusual New Denizen of the
	Solar System
Message-ID: <200808200019.RAA14201@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



Sloan Digital Sky Survey

Contacts:

Andrew Becker, University of Washington
206-685-0542

Nathan Kaib, University of Washington
206-375-1048

David Weinberg, SDSS-II Spokesperson, Ohio State University
614-406-6243

Jordan Raddick, SDSS Public Information Officer, Sloan Digital Sky Survey
443-570-7105

August 18, 2008

See you again in 22,000 years

Astronomers find an unusual new denizen of the Solar System

CHICAGO -- A "minor planet" with the prosaic name 2006 SQ372 is just over
two billion miles from Earth, a bit closer than the planet Neptune. But this
lump of ice and rock is beginning the return leg of a 22,500-year journey
that will take it to a distance of 150 billion miles, nearly 1,600 times the
distance from the Earth to the Sun, according to a team of researchers from
the Sloan Digital Sky Survey (SDSS-II).

The discovery of this remarkable object was reported today in Chicago, at an
international symposium titled "The Sloan Digital Sky Survey: Asteroids to
Cosmology." A paper describing the discovery technique and the properties of
2006 SQ372 is being prepared for submission to The Astrophysical Journal.

The orbital paths of the major planets are nearly circular, but the orbit of
2006 SQ372 is an ellipse that is four times longer than it is wide, said
University of Washington astronomer Andrew Becker, who led the discovery
team. The only known object with a comparable orbit is Sedna -- a distant,
Pluto-like dwarf planet discovered in 2003 -- but 2006 SQ372's orbit takes
it more than one-and-a-half times further from the Sun, and its orbital
period is nearly twice as long.

The new object is much smaller than Sedna, Becker said, probably 30-60 miles
across instead of nearly 1,000. "It's basically a comet, but it never gets
close enough to the Sun to develop a long, bright tail of evaporated gas and
dust."

Becker's team found 2006 SQ372 by applying a specialized computer searching
algorithm to data taken for a completely different purpose: finding
supernova explosions billions of light years away to measure the expansion
of the universe. The SDSS-II supernova survey scanned the same long stripe
of sky, an area 1,000 times larger than the full moon, every clear night in
the fall of 2005, 2006, and 2007.

"If you can find things that explode, you can also find things that move,
but you need different tools to look for them," said team member Lynne
Jones, also of the University of Washington. The only objects close enough
to change position noticeably from one night to the next are in our own
solar system, Jones explained.

SQ372 was first discovered in a series of images taken between September 27
and October 21, 2006. Team member Andrew Puckett, of the University of
Alaska Anchorage, then searched the supernova survey's Fall 2005
observations to find earlier detections, thus securing the discovery.
Subsequent SDSS detections of SQ372 have been found in data from the 2006
and 2007 observing seasons.

University of Washington graduate student Nathan Kaib, another member of the
discovery team, has been running computer simulations to try to understand
out how 2006 SQ372 might have acquired its unusual orbit. "It could have
formed, like Pluto, in the belt of icy debris beyond Neptune, then been
kicked to large distance by a gravitational encounter with Neptune or
Uranus," said Kaib. "However, we think it is more probable that SQ372 comes
from the inner edge of the Oort Cloud."

In 1950, Kaib explained, the Dutch astronomer Jan Oort hypothesized that
most comets come from a distant reservoir of icy, asteroid-like bodies,
which were ejected from the inner solar system by gravitational kicks from
the giant planets as the planets themselves were forming four and a half
billion years ago. Most objects in the Oort cloud orbit the Sun at distances
of several trillion miles, but the gravity of passing stars can alter their
orbits, flinging some into interstellar space and deflecting others to the
inner solar system where they "light up" as comets.

Even at its most distant turning point, 2006 SQ372 will be ten times closer
to the Sun than the supposed main body of the Oort Cloud, said Kaib. "The
existence of an 'inner' Oort cloud has been theoretically predicted for many
years, but SQ372 and perhaps Sedna are the first objects we have found that
seem to originate there. It's exciting that we are beginning to verify these
predictions."

Becker noted that 2006 SQ372 was bright enough to find with the SDSS only
because it is near its closest approach to the Sun, and that the SDSS-II
supernova survey observed less than one percent of the sky. "There are bound
to be many more objects like this waiting to be discovered by the next
generation of surveys, which will search to fainter levels and cover more
area," said Becker. "In a decade, we should know a lot more about this
population than we do now."

"One of our goals," said Kaib, "is to understand the origin of comets, which
are among the most spectacular celestial events. But the deeper goal is to
look back into the early history of our solar system and piece together what
was happening when the planets formed."

About the Sloan Digital Sky Survey (SDSS)

The Sloan Digital Sky Survey is the most ambitious survey of the sky ever
undertaken, involving more than 300 astronomers and engineers at 25
institutions around the world. SDSS-II, which began in 2005 and finished
observations in July, 2008, is comprised of three complementary projects.
The Legacy Survey completed the original SDSS map of half the northern sky,
determining the positions, brightness, and colors of hundreds of millions of
celestial objects and measuring distances to more than a million galaxies
and quasars. SEGUE (Sloan Extension for Galactic Understanding and
Exploration) mapped the structure and stellar makeup of the Milky Way
Galaxy. The Supernova Survey repeatedly scanned a stripe along the celestial
equator to discover and measure supernovae and other variable objects,
probing the accelerating expansion of the cosmos. All three surveys were
carried out with special purpose instruments on the 2.5-meter telescope at
Apache Point Observatory, in New Mexico.

Funding for the SDSS and SDSS-II has been provided by the Alfred P. Sloan
Foundation, the Participating Institutions, the National Science Foundation,
the U.S. Department of Energy, the National Aeronautics and Space
Administration, the Japanese Monbukagakusho, the Max Planck Society, and the
Higher Education Funding Council for England. The SDSS Web Site is
     http://www.sdss.org/

SDSS is managed by the Astrophysical Research Consortium for the
Participating Institutions. The SDSS-II Participating Institutions are the
American Museum of Natural History, Astrophysical Institute Potsdam,
University of Basel, University of Cambridge, Case Western Reserve
University, University of Chicago, Drexel University, Fermilab, the
Institute for Advanced Study, the Japan Participation Group, Johns Hopkins
University, the Joint Institute for Nuclear Astrophysics, the Kavli
Institute for Particle Astrophysics and Cosmology, the Korean Scientist
Group, the Chinese Academy of Sciences (LAMOST), Los Alamos National
Laboratory, the Max-Planck-Institute for Astronomy (MPIA), the
Max-Planck-Institute for Astrophysics (MPA), New Mexico State University,
Ohio State University, University of Pittsburgh, University of Portsmouth,
Princeton University, the United States Naval Observatory, and the
University of Washington.

IMAGE CAPTIONS:

[Image:
http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~dhw/SDSS08/sq372_orbit.jpg (85KB)]
The orbit of the newly discovered solar system object SQ372 (blue), in
comparison to the orbits of Neptune, Pluto, and Sedna (white, green, red).
The location of the Sun is marked by the yellow dot at the center. The inset
panel shows an expanded view, including the orbits of Uranus, Saturn, and
Jupiter inside the orbit of Neptune. Even on this expanded scale, the size
of Earth's orbit would be barely distinguishable from the central dot.
(Credit: N. Kaib)

[Animation:
http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~dhw/SDSS08/sq372_discovery_anim.gif
(2.3MB)]
Animation showing the detection of SQ372 by SDSS-II. Successive frames show
images from the SDSS-II supernova survey taken on October 21, 23, and 28,
2006. SQ372 changes position as it moves in its orbit, while the positions
of the stars, which are much more distant, stay fixed. (Credit: A. Becker
and SDSS)


From bobadebt at ec.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 21:33:32 2008
From: bobadebt at ec.rr.com (David & Kitt Deyarmin)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:33:32 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Do you have a Sikhote-Alin that you need processed?
Message-ID: <789B566991E74155B45677FF97F7758B@David>

I would like to add a Sikhote-Alin Sphere to my collection but I doubt I 
will be able to afford a piece large enough to produce the 52mm cube/core 
rough I need.

So if you have a big ugly SA that you need cut I will be glad to trade labor 
for material.

So far every iron I have processed has more then paid for my initial 
investment so you should be able to make money on this deal.

If you're interested contact me off list at bobadebt at ec.rr.com


PS: If you have a big ugly SA that you just want to sell cheap I may be 
interested in buying it instead.

Thanks 


From meteorhound at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 19 22:46:07 2008
From: meteorhound at yahoo.com (Patricia Harris)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:46:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] test
Message-ID: <612250.51397.qm@web59606.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>




      


From meteorhound at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 19 22:50:52 2008
From: meteorhound at yahoo.com (Patricia Harris)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:50:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] test
Message-ID: <242.65304.qm@web59612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>




      


From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Wed Aug 20 06:51:38 2008
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 03:51:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 20,
	2008
Message-ID: <31181101.1284261219229498094.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_20_2008.html

From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Wed Aug 20 09:39:10 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 20 Aug 2008 13:39:10 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] RFS Picture, Aug 20,
	2008 - Kainsaz (CO3.2) BO Chondrule
Message-ID: <DIIE.000000B500003042@paulinet.de>

Crisp, colorful ... Just amazing!

Reminds me of an Australian tektite button
and also of the lunar walled plain Plato!

Sincere congrats + thanks for sharing!

Bernd


From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 20 10:10:45 2008
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 07:10:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] (AD) UNCLASSIFED METEORITE BEAUTY'S FORSALE
Message-ID: <480585.20093.qm@web57812.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Good morning list.I have decided to put up 5 of my most beautiful unclassified complete stones forsale.They range from 385 grams to 145 grams.4 are completely crusted the other one is 99.7% crusted.I have pics of all them upon request.I am selling them for $1.75 per gram.ALSO, NO TRADES!! Unless you can come up really nice sikote-alins for me.Nothing more! 385 grams=$673.75, 348 grams=$609.00, 303 grams=$530.25,244 grams=$427.00,and finally 145 grams=$253.75.This last one is probably the best of all of them.Paypal,money orders,cashiers check,or good old usa cash.I also have a 1 plus kilo piece that is around 70 to 80% crsuted with nice contraction cracks.For this one I will take trade offers of nice sikote-alins.I will be out most of the day looking for work,thus being a fulltime job in it's self.So please get back to me offlist.Have a great day all from sunny and going on 2 weeks of nothing but sun,chicago.

Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/


      

From info at mcomemeteorite.it  Wed Aug 20 10:49:47 2008
From: info at mcomemeteorite.it (M come Meteorite Meteorites)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:49:47 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Collection Site Udpate
Message-ID: <48ac2f0b.25a.2da7.2018164690@webmaildh6.aruba.it>

After many time i have update my collection site with some
pieces type Collescipoli and Carancas. In this time I am
under to seen to change the little pieces or to buy only
historical pieces, if I have received a big offer for my
collection from a important museum...but for the moment I
have say no... www.mcomemeteorite.info

Matteo



From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 20 15:58:09 2008
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 12:58:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Meteorite Magazines and Books -FIRE SALE
In-Reply-To: <mailman.41.1219161655.65560.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <888777.84799.qm@web58405.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi Listees and fellow meteorite fans!

A recent turn of events has set me back some cash that I can ill-afford
at this time.  A vicious thunderstorm rolled through my area two days
ago.  Lightning bolts were dancing all over the place - as if Zeus himself
was angry.  (I didn't find any "thunderstones" afterwards!)

One of these lightning bolts struck our utility pole and fried our phone
line, DSL line, DSL modem, wireless router and my Ethernet card.  Just
today, I have everything back up and running with replacement equipment.

I won't go into my whole woe-and-sorrow story, so suffice to say, I need
to recoup the money this act of nature has set me back.

I won't offer any meteorites for sale to this list because my prices are
too high and I cannot compete with the other dealers in this respect.

But I am offering something I hate to sell, but I have to right now - my
books and magazines.

Here is what I am offering :

1) Meteorite Magazines - August 2006, Feb 2008, May 2008, August 2008.

2) MAPS Journal (published by the Meteoritical Society) - Jan/Feb 2008,
July 2008, September 2007 supplement (Ernst Chladni & the origins of
modern meteorite research)

3) National Geographic Sept. 1986 - Invaders from Outer Space issue with
an extensive article on meteorites with many color photos.

4) Sky & Telescope magazine June 1978 - article about the Jilin fall.

5) Sky & Telescope magazine May 1975 - article about the Henbury craters

6) Sky & Telescope magazine Feb 1967 - article about Mundrabilla and it
has a photo of the largest Australian meteorite on the cover.

7) Out of the Sky - an Introduction to Meteoritics (Nininger) - softcover,
overall very good condition with a previous owner's name written on the
cover lightly in pen and a few other minor markings.  Dover 1959 edition.

8) Meteorites from A to Z (3rd edition) by Michael and William Jensen.
This is the new edition, signed by the Jensens and it has a couple of minor
pencil marks from me inside.  Otherwise near-mint condition.

All of the magazines and journals are in excellent or better condition,
and I can provide photos of the above items on request.

I am open to offers on any or all of the above (no lowball offers please).

PayPal is preferred, so I can get my money quick.

I have over 700+ all positive feedbacks on eBay, AstroMart, and Cloudy
Nights - so have confidence in this deal.

Thanks for looking and clear skies!

MikeG




.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
..........................................................



      

From eric at meteoritewatch.com  Wed Aug 20 18:09:29 2008
From: eric at meteoritewatch.com (Eric Wichman)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:09:29 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Ebay Auctions Ending - Lots of great
	meteorites at 99 cents!
In-Reply-To: <mailman.34.1219248097.51254.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
References: <mailman.34.1219248097.51254.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <48AC9619.6030806@meteoritewatch.com>

Hi,

Just a quick note to everyone who gets the Met-List in individual emails 
that we have lots of auctions ending in a few hours. Check the bids. 
Many starting at 99 cents. Mesosiderite, Bassikounou fragments, slices, 
corner cuts and a very nice fusion crusted end cut. Also a HUGE 2400g 
very nice crusted and solid NWA for only $399, gorgeous piece. NWA 
slices, and polished end cuts as well. Some Canyon Diablo irons.

For those of you who receive the Met-List in digest format and receive 
this after these auctions close, don't fret. I'm putting up over 100 new 
auction over the next day!

Check them out, most will start @ only 99 cents!

Current Auctions: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/freel3orn

Regards,
Eric Wichman
www.meteoritesusa.com - Meteorites For Sale
www.meteoritewatch.com - Meteorite Forum

P.S. For those of you who'd like to purchase wholesale at hugely 
discounted prices go here: 
http://www.meteoritesusa.com/wholesale-meteorites.htm


From bobadebt at ec.rr.com  Wed Aug 20 20:25:40 2008
From: bobadebt at ec.rr.com (David & Kitt Deyarmin)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:25:40 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ebay Auction for my Largest Zag Slice ends in 1
	Hour
Message-ID: <6972AAB3D34F40608FB2FA5394575BD0@David>

I have thelLargest slice cut from my Zag fragment up for auction with an 
opening bid of $3 per gram

It's weighs 66 grams and it measures a whopping 75mm wide by 65mm tall

The pictures look great but they don't do the slice any justice, it look 
1000% better in person

You can view by clicking this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=330263047452&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=014

Thanks 


From Impactika at aol.com  Thu Aug 21 03:23:09 2008
From: Impactika at aol.com (Impactika at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 03:23:09 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Denver Show
Message-ID: <cea.3dac34a0.35de71dd@aol.com>

Hello everybody,
 
A few weeks ago I reminded all of you that the Denver Show was fast  
approching and it was time to think about the Auction.
The response was not overwhelming, in fact Dr. Ehlmann is the only one who  
actually sent some pieces to me. Of course, that is a great beginning. But  now 
the Denver Show is only 3 weeks away and I would like to hear from everybody  
else. Whether you are actually coming to Denver or not, you can enter pieces 
in  the Auction now. And you don't need to mail those pieces, just send me a 
list,  or better yet, I can email you the official form, you fill it up and 
email it  back to me. And if you are coming to Denver you can bring those pieces 
with you.  If you are not, just mail them in. 
 
So, come on, go take a look in all those boxes, pull out some pieces, and  
email me off-list. 
And for more information, just go to the COMETS website:  
_http://www.peaktopeak.com/comets/auction.htm_ (http://www.peaktopeak.com/comets/auction.htm) 
Any  other questions? just ask.
 
Thanks.

Anne M.  Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
IMPACTIKA at aol.com
Vice-President of  IMCA
www.IMCA.cc 
 



**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel 
deal here.      
(http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

From paal.meland at loqal.no  Fri Aug 22 11:29:18 2008
From: paal.meland at loqal.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E5l_Meland?=)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:29:18 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] (meteorite-list] Metal detector on Achondrite
Message-ID: <JEEOLDBHPCMHMKDMFFBIMEFDCAAA.paal.meland@loqal.no>

Hi list
 
Can anyone please tell me if it`s possible to use a metal detector 
on a Achondrite ( Eucrite, brecciated ) If so, what brand and type.
 
Thanks
Paal,
Norway

From paal.meland at loqal.no  Fri Aug 22 11:30:51 2008
From: paal.meland at loqal.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E5l_Meland?=)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:30:51 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Metal detector on Achondrite
Message-ID: <JEEOLDBHPCMHMKDMFFBIAEFECAAA.paal.meland@loqal.no>

Hi list
 
Can anyone please tell me if it`s possible to use a metal detector 
on a Achondrite ( Eucrite, brecciated ) If so, what brand and type.
 
Thanks
Paal,
Norway

From MeteorHntr at aol.com  Thu Aug 21 16:47:25 2008
From: MeteorHntr at aol.com (MeteorHntr at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:47:25 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: New Steve Arnold Ebay Items UP
Message-ID: <d06.3b8c61e4.35df2e5d@aol.com>

Hey Guys,

Just a note that I have some  new items up on Ebay in my store.

I'm not doing the Reverse Auction this  time, mixing it up a bit, BUT I do 
have items listed at Buy It Now, and if you  don't like my prices, feel free to 
make me an offer at a price you think is  fair.

Check them out  here:


http://stores.ebay.com/Steve-Arnold-Meteorites?refid=store  


Use the above link before you buy, and I will give you free  shipping!  Just 
let me know.

Thanks,

Steve Arnold  




**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel 
deal here.      
(http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 21 18:12:54 2008
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:12:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question about unsolicited meteorite sale offers
	via email
In-Reply-To: <mailman.41.1219334569.42885.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <217717.12222.qm@web58401.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi listoids and met-fans!

I have a question for the more experienced long-time members of the list.

About 4 or 5 times a week, I will get an email out of the blue from someone
overseas (presumably, judging by the email headers and name) who is
offering to sell me meteorites.  The email is typically in broken English
from someone with an Arabic-sounding name and there is also one or more
photos of "meteorites" attached to the email.  Usually there is no 
mention of a price and I am invited to negotiate via email or telephone.

I started getting these emails when I "graduated" from being a collector
to a dealer.  When I threw my hat into the dealer arena, these emails
started and they haven't stopped.

So, my question is, how many of these emails are legit?  Has anyone
ever followed-up on one of these emails and actually bought a meteorite?
I know some of these are probably scams, and others may be legit, but
how does one distinguish which is real and which is bogus?

I am not about to bite on one of these unless the seller is an IMCA and/or
MS member, or is someone well-known to this list.  But the businessman
in me can't help but think that maybe I have ignored a couple of good
opportunities to purchase a meteorite.

Any thoughts or feedback on this subject would be appreciated.

Regards and clear skies,

MikeG


.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
..........................................................



      

From meteoritemall at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 21 22:10:52 2008
From: meteoritemall at yahoo.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:10:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Bonus Meteorite articles on Sky and Telescope
	website!
Message-ID: <568528.81750.qm@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi all,

The good guys at Sky & Telescope Magazine have just made public two bonus articles written by Geoff Notkin and myself. You?ll also find meteorite related text, pictures and videos. 

Visit via my website 
http://www.mr-meteorite.com/articleinstmagazine.htm

Ruben Garcia tells you "How To Identify Stony Meteorites in the Field" and takes you along on a meteorite hunt with his video camera. 
http://www.skyandtelescope.com/skytel/beyondthepage/27233549.html

Geoff Notkin points out some of the interesting features you may see on samples of metallic cosmic debris in "Surface Characteristics of Iron Meteorites".
http://www.skyandtelescope.com/skytel/beyondthepage/27232149.html

Don?t forget to read our upcoming feature article, "Touching the Stars Without Leaving Home" Hunting and collecting meteorites is a way you can own ancient material from outer space. Sky and Telescope Magazine - October 2008!


Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
http://www.mr-meteorite.com
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v


      

From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 22 07:28:47 2008
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 04:28:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] (AD) MORE UNCLASSIFIEDS FORSALE AND METEORITE
	MAGAZINE
Message-ID: <748804.32058.qm@web57802.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Good morning all.I just got my august issue of meteorite magazine.Many fine articles as usual.Great job to the lebofsky's.But the article by rubin garcia is just great.One of the best I have seen in years in this great magazine.I have added 2 more unclassifi8ed's to the pieces I have forsale.A 83 gram 95% crusted and a 350 gram piece that has some nice thumbprints.I also have reduced the prices to a $1.25 per gram plus I will provide shipping.I have pics of all of them.Let me know off list.

Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/


      

From icedance at swbell.net  Fri Aug 22 09:21:38 2008
From: icedance at swbell.net (Don Edwards)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 06:21:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Test - ignore
Message-ID: <609425.29789.qm@web81608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Testing

From mstreman53 at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 22 11:53:05 2008
From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 08:53:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] (meteorite-list] Metal detector on Achondrite
In-Reply-To: <JEEOLDBHPCMHMKDMFFBIMEFDCAAA.paal.meland@loqal.no>
Message-ID: <750596.46140.qm@web55204.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Metals detectors are just that metal detectors and are used in searching for metal bearing H/L/LL/EL chondrites and irons.

Native iron in stoney achondrites  is excedingly rare, only incidental, and certainly in not in eucrites or diogenites.  So neither metal detector nor magnet would be suitable if looking for them specifically.  

Sometimes metal is found in carbonaceous chondrites, aubrites, winnotites and could be found in the other primative achodrites but hardly in more than background quantities.

So in answer to your question, metal detectors are not suitable for detecting achondrites as a whole.  For now the eyeball is the best detector.

Elton


--- On Fri, 8/22/08, P?l Meland <paal.meland at loqal.no> wrote:
>  
> Can anyone please tell me if it`s possible to use a metal
> detector on a Achondrite (Eucrite, brecciated ) If so, what brand
> and type.
>  
> Thanks
> Paal,
> Norway

From bobl at peaktopeak.com  Fri Aug 22 14:50:24 2008
From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:50:24 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Denver Show
In-Reply-To: <cea.3dac34a0.35de71dd@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20080822185045.1E63F10599@mailwash5.pair.com>

Hi Anne!

I might have a couple meteorites for the auction.  I'll take a look and let
you know.

Regards,

Bob Loeffler
COMETS (Colorado Meteorite Society)
http://www.peaktopeak.com/comets/



-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
Impactika at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 1:23 AM
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Cc: COMeteoriteClub at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Denver Show

Hello everybody,
 
A few weeks ago I reminded all of you that the Denver Show was fast  
approching and it was time to think about the Auction.
The response was not overwhelming, in fact Dr. Ehlmann is the only one who  
actually sent some pieces to me. Of course, that is a great beginning. But
now 
the Denver Show is only 3 weeks away and I would like to hear from everybody

else. Whether you are actually coming to Denver or not, you can enter pieces

in  the Auction now. And you don't need to mail those pieces, just send me a

list,  or better yet, I can email you the official form, you fill it up and 
email it  back to me. And if you are coming to Denver you can bring those
pieces 
with you.  If you are not, just mail them in. 
 
So, come on, go take a look in all those boxes, pull out some pieces, and  
email me off-list. 
And for more information, just go to the COMETS website:  
_http://www.peaktopeak.com/comets/auction.htm_
(http://www.peaktopeak.com/comets/auction.htm) 
Any  other questions? just ask.
 
Thanks.

Anne M.  Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
IMPACTIKA at aol.com
Vice-President of  IMCA
www.IMCA.cc 
 



**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your
travel 
deal here.      
(http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)
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From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Fri Aug 22 18:04:55 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 22 Aug 2008 22:04:55 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Metal detector on achondrite
Message-ID: <DIIE.0000009A00003077@paulinet.de>

Hi Elton, Pa(u)l and List,

Elton wrote: "Native iron in stoney achondrites is exceedingly
rare, only incidental, and certainly not in eucrites or diogenites."

I certainly agree that native iron in achondrites is (relatively) rare but
I wouldn't say it is "exceedingly" rare. Well, most of you will remember
the pics in METEORITE (November 2007, pp. 20-21: Eucrites from
Around the World).

On page 21, you can see a b&w picture of my NWA 4019 eucrite (23.5 gr)
that I purchased from Chladni's Heirs and I am still glad I *did* buy it even
though it was a bit pricey because it features a huge, unusual triple (!) metal-
troilite aggregate measuring ca. 10 mm.

Pa(u)l, I don't know if you have that copy of METEORITE and so I'll send you
that pic in a private mail (List policies forbid pics). I've never seen such a "huge"
amount of metal in a eucrite, but ...

> neither metal detector nor magnet would be suitable ...

But, I do agree with Elton that this "huge" amount of metal (relatively speaking)
is far away from producing a signal in a metal detector that would be "detectable".

Best from someone who has no personal
experience with metal detectors ...
not yet ...

Bernd


From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 22 20:03:13 2008
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:03:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Open invitation to Met Email List members!
In-Reply-To: <mailman.39.1219420881.10820.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <447070.36626.qm@web58412.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi folks and meteorite friends!

As a long time moderator on the Cloudy Nights astronomy forums, I was one
of the people pushing hard for a meteorite discussion forum to be included
on the Cloudy Nights list of forums.  Well, after some lobbying, the
powers that be at CN (what we call Cloudy Nights for short) recently
created a "Space Rocks" forum for the discussion of meteorites.  So far,
there's not a lot of discussion because this particular forum is still new.
But with 25,000+ members and a high volume of daily traffic, CN is a good
place to bring new people into the hobby - something I have been doing
on a regular basis over there.

I would like to take this opportunity to invite list members to stop by
Cloudy Nights and join in on the meteorite discussions in the Space
Rocks forum.  I won't gush and go on and on about the merits of CN, but
it's a great bunch of friendly folks over there, many of whom are
professionals in astronomy and related fields - not to mention some of
our list members are also CN members.

One word of warning - CN is *tightly* policed to be a family-friendly
environment and vendors/dealers are not allowed to operate in the open
forums - so it's not an avenue to sell meteorites, only to discuss them.
(although you can sell meteorites over there via the seperate Classifieds
system and in the special forum set aside for vendors called "Vendor
Announcements).... There is also a ZERO tolerance for politics, religion,
or divisive social issues, so some of the kidding around we do over here
on this list will not fly on CN - just a heads-up.

I'd really love to see many of my friends here on the list stop by and
contribute their expertise to the discussions.  So please accept my
invitation. :)

Here is a link to the forum :

http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/postlist.php/Cat/0/Board/Metorites

(yes the last part is mispelled, but it still works) ;)

Registering for the CN forums is free.

Thanks for taking the time to read this and clear skies!

MikeG (Glassthrower on CN and moderator of the Classic Scopes forum)


.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
..........................................................



      

From m_graul at yahoo.de  Fri Aug 22 20:26:54 2008
From: m_graul at yahoo.de (Mirko Graul)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 00:26:54 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: fresh classified L3 chondrite NWA 5411
Message-ID: <802899.56956.qm@web26308.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hello Meteorite friends and List members,

today i will offer my new classified L3 chondrite.
The TKW from this single stone was very low.
Only 198g.
So i have only 13 full slices and 1 endpiece for sale.
The endpiece is sold in this moment.
If you are interested in a slice,please contact me off List.

Here the Link to my sale page.

http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af9ace0c44203/0334af9ace0c77606/index.php

Thank you for your interest,

Mirko




Mirko Graul Meteorite 
Quittenring.4 
16321 Bernau 
GERMANY 

Phone: 0049-1724105015 
E-Mail: m_graul at yahoo.de 

IMCA-Member: 2113 
(International Meteorite Collectors Association) 

Web: www.meteorite-mirko.de

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From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Aug 22 21:50:03 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:50:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mid-Depth Soil Collected for Lab Test On Phoenix
	Mars Lander
Message-ID: <200808230150.SAA12803@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2008-163

Mid-Depth Soil Collected for Lab Test On NASA's Mars Lander
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
August 21, 2008

TUCSON, Ariz. -- NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander has scooped up a soil sample
from an intermediate depth between the ground surface and a subsurface
icy layer. The sample was delivered to a laboratory oven on the spacecraft.

The robotic arm on Phoenix collected the sample, dubbed "Burning Coals,"
from a trench named "Burn Alive 3." The sample consisted of about
one-fourth to one-half teaspoon of loose soil scooped from depth about 3
centimeters (1.2 inch) below the surface of the ground and about 1
centimeter (0.4 inch) above a hard, icy underground layer.

Data received from Phoenix early Thursday confirmed that the arm had
delivered some of that sample through the doors of cell 7 on the
lander's Thermal and Evolved Gas Analyzer (TEGA) and that enough
material passed through a screen and down a funnel to nearly fill the
cell's tiny oven. The Phoenix team prepared commands Thursday to have
TEGA close the oven and begin heating the sample to low temperature (35
degrees Celsius, or 95 degrees Fahrenheit).

The purpose of the low temperature heating is to look for ice in the
sample. The next step is a middle temperature process, which heats the
sample to 125 degrees Celsius (257 degrees Fahrenheit) to thoroughly dry
the sample. The last heating takes the sample to 1000 degrees Celsius
(1832 degrees Fahrenheit). The gases given off during these heating
stages help the science team to determine properties of the Martian soil.

"We are expecting the sample to look similar to previous samples," said
William Boynton of the University of Arizona, lead scientist for TEGA.
"One of the things we'll be looking for is an oxygen release indicative
of perchlorate."

Perchlorate was found in a sample delivered to Phoenix's Microscopy,
Electrochemistry, and Conductivity Analyzer (MECA). The MECA team saw
the perchlorate signal in a sample taken from a trench called
"Dodo-Goldilocks" on June 25, and again in another sample taken from the
"Rosy Red" trench on July 6. To see signs of perchlorate in TEGA would
help confirm the previous results. Scientists are analyzing data from a
Rosy Red surface sample heated in TEGA cell number 5 last week.

The new sample in cell 7 completes a three-level soil profile that also
includes the surface material (from Rosy Red) and ice-layer material
(from a trench called "Snow White").

"We want to know the structure and composition of the soil at the
surface, at the ice and in-between to help answer questions about the
movement of water -- either as vapor or liquid -- between the icy layer
and the surface," said Ray Arvidson of Washington University in St.
Louis, a leader of Phoenix science team activities.

The Phoenix mission is led by Peter Smith of The University of Arizona
with project management at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory and development
partnership at Lockheed Martin, located in Denver. International
contributions come from the Canadian Space Agency; the University of
Neuchatel; the universities of Copenhagen and Aarhus, Denmark; Max
Planck Institute, Germany; and the Finnish Meteorological Institute.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Media contacts: Guy Webster 818-354-6278
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
guy.webster at jpl.nasa.gov

Dwayne Brown 202-358-1726
NASA Headquarters, Washington
dwayne.c.brown at nasa.gov

2008-163


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Aug 22 21:58:01 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:58:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - August 20, 2008
Message-ID: <200808230158.SAA15377@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES
August 20, 2008

o Gullies and Bedrock Exposures in Impact Crater Wall
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009155_1480

o Fresh Double-Layered Ejecta Crater 
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009160_2350

o Cratered Cones in Isidis Planitia 
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009177_1985

o Eroding Dunes in Chasma Boreale
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009114_2645


All of the HiRISE images are archived here:

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/

Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is 
online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is 
managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division 
of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA 
Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed 
Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor 
and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the 
University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies 
Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument.

From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Aug 22 22:00:02 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:00:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: August 18-22, 2008
Message-ID: <200808230200.TAA16322@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES
August 18-22, 2008

o Tempe Terra (Released 18 August 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080818a

o Dunes (Released 19 August 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080819a

o Lycus Sulci (Released 20 August 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080820a

o Polar Layers (Released 21 August 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080821a

o Polar Erg (Released 22 August 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080822a


All of the THEMIS images are archived here:

http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html

NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission 
for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission 
Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University,
Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. 
The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State 
University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor 
for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission 
operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a 
division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. 




From cynapse at charter.net  Fri Aug 22 23:50:47 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 23:50:47 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Possible deal for someone around Ohio
In-Reply-To: <DIIE.000000AC0000302E@paulinet.de>
References: <DIIE.000000AC0000302E@paulinet.de>
Message-ID: <k62va4t4f1hr9d21gl7u9p9fho2427qqdo@4ax.com>

Auction items include "giant meteorite-- 68 pounds"

From meteorites at optushome.com.au  Sat Aug 23 04:10:16 2008
From: meteorites at optushome.com.au (Norbert & Heike Kammel)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 18:10:16 +1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] 85 kg Cranbourne Iron recovered
Message-ID: <48AFC5E8.70101@optushome.com.au>

Hello List,

I just like to inform you that a new piece , 85 kg, of the Cranbourne 
Iron Meteorite from Victoria, Australia, has been recovered.
For the local farmers now 'the rush is on' again.
http://www.cranbourneleader.com.au/article/2008/08/13/41154_csv_news.html

Best regards from Down-Under,

Norbert Kammel
IMCA # 3420
www.rocksonfire.com

From saharagems at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 23 09:10:32 2008
From: saharagems at yahoo.com (Stalder Thomas)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 06:10:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] New auction Libyan Desert Glass on Ebay
Message-ID: <328490.46508.qm@web44914.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>


Hi all,

Just like to inform you that I add some more GEM quality LDG's on Ebay. Your most welcome to take a look at them.
Thank you for your attention and have a nice weekend.
Regards,
Thomas    

http://stores.ebay.com/SAHARAGEMS-DESERT-STONES-AND-MORE


http://www.sahara-gems.com

http://www.saharastones.com


      


From almitt at kconline.com  Sat Aug 23 11:09:41 2008
From: almitt at kconline.com (ALMitt)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:09:41 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Possible deal for someone around Ohio
In-Reply-To: <k62va4t4f1hr9d21gl7u9p9fho2427qqdo@4ax.com>
References: <DIIE.000000AC0000302E@paulinet.de>
	<k62va4t4f1hr9d21gl7u9p9fho2427qqdo@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <48B02835.1010901@kconline.com>

Hi Darren and all,

I checked this out and the auction house who printed this out and more 
importantly the cataloger stated it was a typo. Apparently they do have 
meteorites from time to time, (and perhaps a few meteorwrongs??) and 
offer them. It was close enough to me or some of my friends in Ohio that 
we could have check on it more thoroughly if they had one. It did show 
up in the current catalog but I am told it was a misprint. Best!

--AL Mitterling

Darren Garrison wrote:

>Auction items include "giant meteorite-- 68 pounds"
>______________________________________________
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>  
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From cynapse at charter.net  Sat Aug 23 11:34:52 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:34:52 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Possible deal for someone around Ohio
In-Reply-To: <48B02835.1010901@kconline.com>
References: <DIIE.000000AC0000302E@paulinet.de>
	<k62va4t4f1hr9d21gl7u9p9fho2427qqdo@4ax.com>
	<48B02835.1010901@kconline.com>
Message-ID: <0eb0b4d84aq2p231au2b7ohafltmqcpr4n@4ax.com>

On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:09:41 -0400, you wrote:

>Hi Darren and all,
>
>I checked this out and the auction house who printed this out and more 
>importantly the cataloger stated it was a typo. Apparently they do have 
>meteorites from time to time, (and perhaps a few meteorwrongs??) and 
>offer them. It was close enough to me or some of my friends in Ohio that 
>we could have check on it more thoroughly if they had one. It did show 
>up in the current catalog but I am told it was a misprint. Best!

Glad you found it (even if it wasn't correct) since it appears that I didn't
actually include the URL. 

From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 23 12:53:09 2008
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 09:53:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] STEAL OF A LIFETIME
Message-ID: <850996.81649.qm@web57801.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Good morning list.Who says you cannot get a steal on ebay.I had to do a double take even a triple take.I just bought a 394 gram sikote-alin (NOT SHRAPNAL) FOR $75 USA dollars.I guess the seller said it cost him $1100 back in 1982.A STEAL!A STEAL!Sometimes you just have to do a real double take and look real hard.

Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/


      

From bobl at peaktopeak.com  Sat Aug 23 13:31:10 2008
From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:31:10 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Colorado meteorite statistics and the COMETS club
Message-ID: <20080823173131.B9650105AA@mailwash5.pair.com>

Hi all,

I had been thinking about Colorado meteorites (since I live in Colorado and
am a member of the COMETS club), like "How heavy is the heaviest meteorite
in Colorado?" and "How many falls are there in Colorado?" and "How many fell
or were found in each decade?", so I updated the COMETS website last night
with a fun "statistics" page.
http://www.peaktopeak.com/comets/comets_stats.htm  All of the stats were
derived from data from the Meteorical Bulletin Database on the web.  Please
check it out when you have time.  There's even a link to a nice color chart.
:-)

I can add more stats if you let me know what else you want to know (and if I
can find the data to create the stats), but I have to admit that I don't
have a lot of time to do research and I'm not a statistician.  :-)  If
anyone else has a similar website with information like this for other
states, regions or countries, I would love to know about it so I can see
what else they have and then do the same for Colorado.

In case you didn't know, COMETS is short for COlorado METeorite Society,
which is a club of meteorite enthusiasts in Colorado and abroad.  The
website is still a "work in progress" and we'll post pictures from the
upcoming Auction (as Anne announced in her other e-mails) and also the Party
the following night.  If anyone has any COMETS-related or Colorado
meteorites-related material that they would like to share with everyone,
please send it to me and I'll put it on the website.

Thanks and regards,

Bob Loeffler
COMETS
http://www.peaktopeak.com/comets/


From chinaren76 at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 23 13:43:15 2008
From: chinaren76 at yahoo.com (Ma Lan)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:43:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] STEAL OF A LIFETIME
In-Reply-To: <850996.81649.qm@web57801.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <44818.82009.qm@web52702.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi Steve and list,

Somebody said eBay was a hell of sellers, and a heaven of buyers. It will be cheaper and cheaper if you continue to sell a stone on eBay. That's true, i think.

Best regards,
Ma Lan
Beijng China
Web http://www.malanmeteorites.com


--- On Sun, 8/24/08, steve arnold <stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: steve arnold <stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] STEAL OF A LIFETIME
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 12:53 AM
> Good morning list.Who says you cannot get a steal on ebay.I
> had to do a double take even a triple take.I just bought a
> 394 gram sikote-alin (NOT SHRAPNAL) FOR $75 USA dollars.I
> guess the seller said it cost him $1100 back in 1982.A
> STEAL!A STEAL!Sometimes you just have to do a real double
> take and look real hard.
> 
> Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/
> 
> 
>       
> ______________________________________________
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> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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From libawc at emory.edu  Sat Aug 23 13:44:38 2008
From: libawc at emory.edu (Westlake, Anita D)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:44:38 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Colorado meteorite statistics and the COMETS
 club
In-Reply-To: <20080823173131.B9650105AA@mailwash5.pair.com>
References: <20080823173131.B9650105AA@mailwash5.pair.com>
Message-ID: <57D2A38BCBBB0F49B8DAD7B22662430C0141994C91D0@EXCHANGE13.Enterprise.emory.net>

Hi Bob:
  Please feel free to visit our website: http//www.meteoriteassociationofgeorgia.org
Our web master has done a great job with the site (especially with the tektite pages since that's his first love.) He has also listed lots of information on Georgia meteorites which may help you design your pages.
  We'd also like to share links with you.

Anita Westlake, President
Meteorite Assn. of Georgia


-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Bob Loeffler
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 1:31 PM
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Cc: COMeteoriteClub at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Colorado meteorite statistics and the COMETS club

Hi all,

I had been thinking about Colorado meteorites (since I live in Colorado and
am a member of the COMETS club), like "How heavy is the heaviest meteorite
in Colorado?" and "How many falls are there in Colorado?" and "How many fell
or were found in each decade?", so I updated the COMETS website last night
with a fun "statistics" page.
http://www.peaktopeak.com/comets/comets_stats.htm  All of the stats were
derived from data from the Meteorical Bulletin Database on the web.  Please
check it out when you have time.  There's even a link to a nice color chart.
:-)

I can add more stats if you let me know what else you want to know (and if I
can find the data to create the stats), but I have to admit that I don't
have a lot of time to do research and I'm not a statistician.  :-)  If
anyone else has a similar website with information like this for other
states, regions or countries, I would love to know about it so I can see
what else they have and then do the same for Colorado.

In case you didn't know, COMETS is short for COlorado METeorite Society,
which is a club of meteorite enthusiasts in Colorado and abroad.  The
website is still a "work in progress" and we'll post pictures from the
upcoming Auction (as Anne announced in her other e-mails) and also the Party
the following night.  If anyone has any COMETS-related or Colorado
meteorites-related material that they would like to share with everyone,
please send it to me and I'll put it on the website.

Thanks and regards,

Bob Loeffler
COMETS
http://www.peaktopeak.com/comets/

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From stm at bellsouth.net  Sat Aug 23 13:58:10 2008
From: stm at bellsouth.net (Sean T. Murray)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:58:10 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Colorado meteorite statistics and the COMETS
	club
References: <20080823173131.B9650105AA@mailwash5.pair.com>
	<57D2A38BCBBB0F49B8DAD7B22662430C0141994C91D0@EXCHANGE13.Enterprise.emory.net>
Message-ID: <741C15BD1DB94B32A55CBA32DE09FE32@platinum>

Bob - added a link on our resources page to your COMETS site.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Westlake, Anita D" <libawc at emory.edu>
To: "Bob Loeffler" <bobl at peaktopeak.com>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Colorado meteorite statistics and the COMETS 
club


> Hi Bob:
>  Please feel free to visit our website: 
> http//www.meteoriteassociationofgeorgia.org
> Our web master has done a great job with the site (especially with the 
> tektite pages since that's his first love.) He has also listed lots of 
> information on Georgia meteorites which may help you design your pages.
>  We'd also like to share links with you.
>
> Anita Westlake, President
> Meteorite Assn. of Georgia
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com 
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Bob 
> Loeffler
> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 1:31 PM
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Cc: COMeteoriteClub at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Colorado meteorite statistics and the COMETS 
> club
>
> Hi all,
>
> I had been thinking about Colorado meteorites (since I live in Colorado 
> and
> am a member of the COMETS club), like "How heavy is the heaviest meteorite
> in Colorado?" and "How many falls are there in Colorado?" and "How many 
> fell
> or were found in each decade?", so I updated the COMETS website last night
> with a fun "statistics" page.
> http://www.peaktopeak.com/comets/comets_stats.htm  All of the stats were
> derived from data from the Meteorical Bulletin Database on the web. 
> Please
> check it out when you have time.  There's even a link to a nice color 
> chart.
> :-)
>
> I can add more stats if you let me know what else you want to know (and if 
> I
> can find the data to create the stats), but I have to admit that I don't
> have a lot of time to do research and I'm not a statistician.  :-)  If
> anyone else has a similar website with information like this for other
> states, regions or countries, I would love to know about it so I can see
> what else they have and then do the same for Colorado.
>
> In case you didn't know, COMETS is short for COlorado METeorite Society,
> which is a club of meteorite enthusiasts in Colorado and abroad.  The
> website is still a "work in progress" and we'll post pictures from the
> upcoming Auction (as Anne announced in her other e-mails) and also the 
> Party
> the following night.  If anyone has any COMETS-related or Colorado
> meteorites-related material that they would like to share with everyone,
> please send it to me and I'll put it on the website.
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> Bob Loeffler
> COMETS
> http://www.peaktopeak.com/comets/
>
> ______________________________________________
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From wahlperry at aol.com  Sat Aug 23 16:26:36 2008
From: wahlperry at aol.com (wahlperry at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:26:36 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Texas meteorite find ...possible hoax.
Message-ID: <8CAD375ACB30E61-14D0-32D1@Webmail-mg17.sim.aol.com>

Hi All,

I recently answered an ad regarding a meteorite for sale that was found 
in Texas. I have included a portion of the email below.

>Thanks for your reply on the meteor. Here are some additional details 
on it:

>I am an amateur fossil hunter and I was searching a river-bed in 
central Texas, outside This river bed I was searching within is the 
Lower Cretaceous-
>Glen Rose formation, well known for its ammonites, grastropods and 
other shell fossils. It is a soft to hard limestone group and is 
stratified into various layers. There are no known layers of metals 
 >such as irons, ingenious or other metamorphic type minerals within 
this outcrop of Texas. During my hunt I ran across a dark, rust colored 
"stone" sticking outside of the side bank at about two >feet above my 
head. Was very much out of place as this was a tan-light brown colored 
limestone layer. Started to pull it out, but had to pick it out. It was 
very heavy and was rusted. Was pretty >excited about it and had my 
suspension it was a meteor.

>Researched on the subject and ran a few objective analyses on it. It 
is highly magnetic, has nickle content, shows fusion crust, one spot 
has very bright silver underneath the rusting and weighs in >at 14.2 
lbs. Consulted a couple of Geo-Techs and they agree it is a meteor. I 
have attached photos of the ammonites I found within the same layer to 
give you an idea >of the type of limestone and fossils found in that 
formation.


After a lengthy phone conversation I agreed to his asking price. With 
the agreement; before his receiving payment I would request to cut and 
etch a small slice of the suspected meteorite. From the pictures it 
looked very much like a weathered Campo or Nantan. I expressed my 
concern that many of the Iron meteorites that are turning up today for 
sale are meteorites that were purchased and being misrepresented as a 
new find. Also it would be tough to find anyone to classify it if it 
resembled a Campo or Nantan .The finder assured me that this was a new 
find and another small piece was found above this location that 
resembled the meteorite. I thought to myself this can't be true, I 
better call up my hunting partner and reserve plane tickets now before 
Steve Arnold or Ruben find out! Just kidding ! This is when things 
started to get strange. The finder called a few times expressing 
concerns about the value of the meteorite, increased interest from 
potential buyers, etc. I was also forwarded a email from a person 
wanting to purchase the meteorite. The strange thing about the email it 
sounded like my previous phone call with the finder but the name was 
different and now the person expressing concern about the meteorite was 
working with a large University in meteorite studies. At this point I 
was starting to doubt any of this was true . I decided to contact the 
University and was surprised to find out that they never had worked 
with or heard of this person.

I still thought that this could be true and waited for the meteorite to 
arrive ! I received a phone call from the finder the day before the 
meteorite was to arrive expressing ebay prices and possibly not wanting 
to sell the meteorite . From the prices on Ebay this could be worth 
thousands of dollars! Yeh right! Finding someone to classify it and all 
the time involved, you could make Millions!

When I opened the box I could see rust fragments inside the bag that 
was protecting the meteorite. Still anything is possible! Lying in a 
limestone formation for millions of yeras that was once the bottom of 
the ocean. I wonder if that deep sea fishing pole I dropped over the 
side of the boat last year will last that long?

After cutting and etching the meteorite. it appears to be a Coarse 
Octahedrite with silicate inclusions.

I really can not prove that he did not find this meteorite or if it is 
a Campo or Nantan. The purpose of this post is to help anyone who may 
come across this meteorite. I placed a few pictures of the meteorite 
and cut face on my web page.

Thanks,
Sonny

http://www.nevadameteorites.com/id33.htm






From almitt at kconline.com  Sat Aug 23 16:55:52 2008
From: almitt at kconline.com (ALMitt)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:55:52 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] STEAL OF A LIFETIME
In-Reply-To: <850996.81649.qm@web57801.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <850996.81649.qm@web57801.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <48B07958.4090206@kconline.com>

Hi Steve and all,

Sikhote Alin sold for $3 to $4/ gram long time in the past. Don't know 
if there were any around for sale in 1982. As long as the ebay seller is 
reputable and has a high ebay rating then you have a bargain. If it 
sounds too good to be true and the seller has a bad rating then I'd stay 
away from the auction as it could be a fraud or something stolen. All my 
best!

--AL Mitterling

steve arnold wrote:

>Good morning list.Who says you cannot get a steal on ebay.I had to do a double take even a triple take.I just bought a 394 gram sikote-alin (NOT SHRAPNAL) FOR $75 USA dollars.I guess the seller said it cost him $1100 back in 1982.A STEAL!A STEAL!Sometimes you just have to do a real double take and look real hard.
>
>Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/
>
>
>      
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>
>  
>


From cynapse at charter.net  Sat Aug 23 17:07:01 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 17:07:01 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] STEAL OF A LIFETIME
In-Reply-To: <48B07958.4090206@kconline.com>
References: <850996.81649.qm@web57801.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<48B07958.4090206@kconline.com>
Message-ID: <vou0b4d3fp6mfqi387o4i4tmlnqh6hgr3c@4ax.com>

On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:55:52 -0400, you wrote:

>Hi Steve and all,
>
>Sikhote Alin sold for $3 to $4/ gram long time in the past. Don't know 
>if there were any around for sale in 1982. As long as the ebay seller is 
>reputable and has a high ebay rating then you have a bargain. If it 
>sounds too good to be true and the seller has a bad rating then I'd stay 
>away from the auction as it could be a fraud or something stolen. All my 
>best!

Here's the auction:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300252714512

Seems like an oddly low BIN price if he knew that it should be worth more.
Maybe if the "dying father" story is true, he was more concerned about getting
SOME money now than a better price even days from now.

From jwal2000 at swbell.net  Sat Aug 23 18:44:41 2008
From: jwal2000 at swbell.net (Jerry A. Wallace)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 17:44:41 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Texas meteorite find ...possible hoax.
In-Reply-To: <8CAD375ACB30E61-14D0-32D1@Webmail-mg17.sim.aol.com>
References: <8CAD375ACB30E61-14D0-32D1@Webmail-mg17.sim.aol.com>
Message-ID: <48B092D9.8000403@swbell.net>

Hi Sonny,

Thanks for the "heads up" on this (find?).

Being very familiar with Texas caliche and limestone, I am curious as to 
how
the finder cleaned the sample so well. Everyone around here knows that
anything that has been entrapped in a caliche and/or limestone deposit 
sticks
to the object worse than bubble gum sticks to the bottom of a boot on a hot
day.

Did the finder mention if perhaps he had dunked the iron in an acid bath?

That's a quick and easy way to clean the limestone off, but a terrible 
way to
preserve an iron.

Just curious because it sure looks cleaner than picks and brushes would 
get it.
However, the silicate inclusions and coarse crystals appear to make it a 
slam
dunk to be an old iron. Now if you can just nail down where it's really 
from.

Best regards,

Jerry Wallace
Odessa, Texas



wahlperry at aol.com wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I recently answered an ad regarding a meteorite for sale that was 
> found in Texas. I have included a portion of the email below.
>
>> Thanks for your reply on the meteor. Here are some additional details 
> on it:
>
>> I am an amateur fossil hunter and I was searching a river-bed in 
> central Texas, outside This river bed I was searching within is the 
> Lower Cretaceous-
>> Glen Rose formation, well known for its ammonites, grastropods and 
> other shell fossils. It is a soft to hard limestone group and is 
> stratified into various layers. There are no known layers of metals 
> >such as irons, ingenious or other metamorphic type minerals within 
> this outcrop of Texas. During my hunt I ran across a dark, rust 
> colored "stone" sticking outside of the side bank at about two >feet 
> above my head. Was very much out of place as this was a tan-light 
> brown colored limestone layer. Started to pull it out, but had to pick 
> it out. It was very heavy and was rusted. Was pretty >excited about it 
> and had my suspension it was a meteor.
>
>> Researched on the subject and ran a few objective analyses on it. It 
> is highly magnetic, has nickle content, shows fusion crust, one spot 
> has very bright silver underneath the rusting and weighs in >at 14.2 
> lbs. Consulted a couple of Geo-Techs and they agree it is a meteor. I 
> have attached photos of the ammonites I found within the same layer to 
> give you an idea >of the type of limestone and fossils found in that 
> formation.
>
>
> After a lengthy phone conversation I agreed to his asking price. With 
> the agreement; before his receiving payment I would request to cut and 
> etch a small slice of the suspected meteorite. From the pictures it 
> looked very much like a weathered Campo or Nantan. I expressed my 
> concern that many of the Iron meteorites that are turning up today for 
> sale are meteorites that were purchased and being misrepresented as a 
> new find. Also it would be tough to find anyone to classify it if it 
> resembled a Campo or Nantan .The finder assured me that this was a new 
> find and another small piece was found above this location that 
> resembled the meteorite. I thought to myself this can't be true, I 
> better call up my hunting partner and reserve plane tickets now before 
> Steve Arnold or Ruben find out! Just kidding ! This is when things 
> started to get strange. The finder called a few times expressing 
> concerns about the value of the meteorite, increased interest from 
> potential buyers, etc. I was also forwarded a email from a person 
> wanting to purchase the meteorite. The strange thing about the email 
> it sounded like my previous phone call with the finder but the name 
> was different and now the person expressing concern about the 
> meteorite was working with a large University in meteorite studies. At 
> this point I was starting to doubt any of this was true . I decided to 
> contact the University and was surprised to find out that they never 
> had worked with or heard of this person.
>
> I still thought that this could be true and waited for the meteorite 
> to arrive ! I received a phone call from the finder the day before the 
> meteorite was to arrive expressing ebay prices and possibly not 
> wanting to sell the meteorite . From the prices on Ebay this could be 
> worth thousands of dollars! Yeh right! Finding someone to classify it 
> and all the time involved, you could make Millions!
>
> When I opened the box I could see rust fragments inside the bag that 
> was protecting the meteorite. Still anything is possible! Lying in a 
> limestone formation for millions of yeras that was once the bottom of 
> the ocean. I wonder if that deep sea fishing pole I dropped over the 
> side of the boat last year will last that long?
>
> After cutting and etching the meteorite. it appears to be a Coarse 
> Octahedrite with silicate inclusions.
>
> I really can not prove that he did not find this meteorite or if it is 
> a Campo or Nantan. The purpose of this post is to help anyone who may 
> come across this meteorite. I placed a few pictures of the meteorite 
> and cut face on my web page.
>
> Thanks,
> Sonny
>
> http://www.nevadameteorites.com/id33.htm
>
>
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________
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> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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From meteoritemall at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 23 20:07:36 2008
From: meteoritemall at yahoo.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 17:07:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Texas meteorite find ...possible hoax.
In-Reply-To: <8CAD375ACB30E61-14D0-32D1@Webmail-mg17.sim.aol.com>
Message-ID: <699124.84338.qm@web32506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hey Sonny,
Ask Mike Miller as both he and I have cut lots of this stuff - from the picture - I can say it is almost certainly old Campo. That blurred etch look comes from the extreme weathering of old campo. I've never seen another meteorite that looks the same. A few years ago we both bought the same sort of stuff as toluca. The seller was sure we'd never know the difference...we did and returned it for a refund. 

Besides Steve and I are working on cleaning out all the meteorites in Nevada....lol



Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
http://www.mr-meteorite.com
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v


--- On Sat, 8/23/08, wahlperry at aol.com <wahlperry at aol.com> wrote:

> From: wahlperry at aol.com <wahlperry at aol.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Texas meteorite find ...possible hoax.
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 1:26 PM
> Hi All,
> 
> I recently answered an ad regarding a meteorite for sale
> that was found 
> in Texas. I have included a portion of the email below.
> 
> >Thanks for your reply on the meteor. Here are some
> additional details 
> on it:
> 
> >I am an amateur fossil hunter and I was searching a
> river-bed in 
> central Texas, outside This river bed I was searching
> within is the 
> Lower Cretaceous-
> >Glen Rose formation, well known for its ammonites,
> grastropods and 
> other shell fossils. It is a soft to hard limestone group
> and is 
> stratified into various layers. There are no known layers
> of metals 
>  >such as irons, ingenious or other metamorphic type
> minerals within 
> this outcrop of Texas. During my hunt I ran across a dark,
> rust colored 
> "stone" sticking outside of the side bank at
> about two >feet above my 
> head. Was very much out of place as this was a tan-light
> brown colored 
> limestone layer. Started to pull it out, but had to pick it
> out. It was 
> very heavy and was rusted. Was pretty >excited about it
> and had my 
> suspension it was a meteor.
> 
> >Researched on the subject and ran a few objective
> analyses on it. It 
> is highly magnetic, has nickle content, shows fusion crust,
> one spot 
> has very bright silver underneath the rusting and weighs in
> >at 14.2 
> lbs. Consulted a couple of Geo-Techs and they agree it is a
> meteor. I 
> have attached photos of the ammonites I found within the
> same layer to 
> give you an idea >of the type of limestone and fossils
> found in that 
> formation.
> 
> 
> After a lengthy phone conversation I agreed to his asking
> price. With 
> the agreement; before his receiving payment I would request
> to cut and 
> etch a small slice of the suspected meteorite. From the
> pictures it 
> looked very much like a weathered Campo or Nantan. I
> expressed my 
> concern that many of the Iron meteorites that are turning
> up today for 
> sale are meteorites that were purchased and being
> misrepresented as a 
> new find. Also it would be tough to find anyone to classify
> it if it 
> resembled a Campo or Nantan .The finder assured me that
> this was a new 
> find and another small piece was found above this location
> that 
> resembled the meteorite. I thought to myself this can't
> be true, I 
> better call up my hunting partner and reserve plane tickets
> now before 
> Steve Arnold or Ruben find out! Just kidding ! This is when
> things 
> started to get strange. The finder called a few times
> expressing 
> concerns about the value of the meteorite, increased
> interest from 
> potential buyers, etc. I was also forwarded a email from a
> person 
> wanting to purchase the meteorite. The strange thing about
> the email it 
> sounded like my previous phone call with the finder but the
> name was 
> different and now the person expressing concern about the
> meteorite was 
> working with a large University in meteorite studies. At
> this point I 
> was starting to doubt any of this was true . I decided to
> contact the 
> University and was surprised to find out that they never
> had worked 
> with or heard of this person.
> 
> I still thought that this could be true and waited for the
> meteorite to 
> arrive ! I received a phone call from the finder the day
> before the 
> meteorite was to arrive expressing ebay prices and possibly
> not wanting 
> to sell the meteorite . From the prices on Ebay this could
> be worth 
> thousands of dollars! Yeh right! Finding someone to
> classify it and all 
> the time involved, you could make Millions!
> 
> When I opened the box I could see rust fragments inside the
> bag that 
> was protecting the meteorite. Still anything is possible!
> Lying in a 
> limestone formation for millions of yeras that was once the
> bottom of 
> the ocean. I wonder if that deep sea fishing pole I dropped
> over the 
> side of the boat last year will last that long?
> 
> After cutting and etching the meteorite. it appears to be a
> Coarse 
> Octahedrite with silicate inclusions.
> 
> I really can not prove that he did not find this meteorite
> or if it is 
> a Campo or Nantan. The purpose of this post is to help
> anyone who may 
> come across this meteorite. I placed a few pictures of the
> meteorite 
> and cut face on my web page.
> 
> Thanks,
> Sonny
> 
> http://www.nevadameteorites.com/id33.htm
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list


      

From mstreman53 at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 23 22:03:59 2008
From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 19:03:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] STEAL OF A LIFETIME
In-Reply-To: <44818.82009.qm@web52702.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <629428.10018.qm@web55207.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Well Gosh congrats on yet another fantastic specimen.  Wish I had seen it myself.

Yes, sometimes sellers do really stupid things: like putting no reserve on a large investment or sometimes they put a Buy-It-Now price of $1 or some other rookie play.  A sharp-eyed buyer can really make the seller regret not paying closer attention. Of course it also helps to know the market 300 grams of SA @ .20 a gram is around $60 and @.30 a gram is $90 so sounds about right. Then again what is gram price when it comes to a really pretty specimen?  Congrats on your "steel-steal-deal"

Fortunately the seller will have a chance to buy it back as what comes around on Ebay goes around on Ebay at least for some buyers/sellers.  I hope to start recycling my collection soon.

Regards,
Elton



> --- On Sun, 8/24/08, steve arnold
> <stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: steve arnold <stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] STEAL OF A LIFETIME
> > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 12:53 AM
> > Good morning list.Who says you cannot get a steal on
> ebay.I had to do a double take even a triple take.I just
> bought a 394 gram sikote-alin (NOT SHRAPNAL) FOR $75 USA
> dollars.I guess the seller said it cost him $1100 back in 1982.A
> > STEAL!A STEAL!Sometimes you just have to do a real double
> > take and look real hard.

> > Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/


From mstreman53 at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 23 22:13:36 2008
From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 19:13:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] STEAL OF A LIFETIME
In-Reply-To: <48B07958.4090206@kconline.com>
Message-ID: <965735.16602.qm@web55207.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Yeppers  look who this was purchased from and he could very well have paid $1100 for it.  Comes complete with fusion crust too I see! (rolling eyes)

Elton


--- On Sat, 8/23/08, ALMitt <almitt at kconline.com> wrote:

> From: ALMitt <almitt at kconline.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] STEAL OF A LIFETIME
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 4:55 PM
> Hi Steve and all,
> 
> Sikhote Alin sold for $3 to $4/ gram long time in the past.
> Don't know 
> if there were any around for sale in 1982. As long as the
> ebay seller is 
> reputable and has a high ebay rating then you have a
> bargain. If it 
> sounds too good to be true and the seller has a bad rating
> then I'd stay 
> away from the auction as it could be a fraud or something
> stolen. All my 
> best!
> 
> --AL Mitterling

From sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 23 22:48:03 2008
From: sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com (Steve Dunklee)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 19:48:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] STEAL OF A LIFETIME
In-Reply-To: <965735.16602.qm@web55207.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <537410.96927.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have recieved several steal  of a deals from list members. like a particular olivine diogenite in a membrane box for 99 cents. the box and shipping cost more than that. I have also made multiple purchases from the same members. I believe its called running an honest business.
Have a great day!
Steve


--- On Sat, 8/23/08, Mr EMan <mstreman53 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Mr EMan <mstreman53 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] STEAL OF A LIFETIME
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, "ALMitt" <almitt at kconline.com>
> Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 9:13 PM
> Yeppers  look who this was purchased from and he could very
> well have paid $1100 for it.  Comes complete with fusion
> crust too I see! (rolling eyes)
> 
> Elton
> 
> 
> --- On Sat, 8/23/08, ALMitt <almitt at kconline.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: ALMitt <almitt at kconline.com>
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] STEAL OF A LIFETIME
> > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 4:55 PM
> > Hi Steve and all,
> > 
> > Sikhote Alin sold for $3 to $4/ gram long time in the
> past.
> > Don't know 
> > if there were any around for sale in 1982. As long as
> the
> > ebay seller is 
> > reputable and has a high ebay rating then you have a
> > bargain. If it 
> > sounds too good to be true and the seller has a bad
> rating
> > then I'd stay 
> > away from the auction as it could be a fraud or
> something
> > stolen. All my 
> > best!
> > 
> > --AL Mitterling
> ______________________________________________
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From almitt at kconline.com  Sun Aug 24 00:38:00 2008
From: almitt at kconline.com (ALMitt)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 00:38:00 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] STEAL OF A LIFETIME
In-Reply-To: <vou0b4d3fp6mfqi387o4i4tmlnqh6hgr3c@4ax.com>
References: <850996.81649.qm@web57801.mail.re3.yahoo.com>	<48B07958.4090206@kconline.com>
	<vou0b4d3fp6mfqi387o4i4tmlnqh6hgr3c@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <48B0E5A8.8070708@kconline.com>

Greetings again,

I know he didn't buy it from Michael Casper in 1982 as he wasn't selling 
meteorites then. Probably just a typo but I doubt that he bought it from 
Casper in 1992 either. Auction seems somewhat suspicious to me.

Giving away meteorites is running an honest business? I'm sure that 
everyone here makes money from charging more than it costs them so they 
can afford other things. That is the nature of business or we would all 
be in trouble. Nothing wrong with a good deal though.

--AL



From eric at meteoritewatch.com  Sun Aug 24 07:25:33 2008
From: eric at meteoritewatch.com (Eric Wichman)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 04:25:33 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Fireball???
In-Reply-To: <mailman.244.1219544018.35764.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
References: <mailman.244.1219544018.35764.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <48B1452D.8040706@meteoritewatch.com>

Hey,

Anyone here anything on this yet? Did anyone see it?

Streaking fireball a vivid spectacle in daytime sky!
http://www.azstarnet.com/metro/254255

Eric
www.meteoritewatch.com
www.meteoritesusa.com

From lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu  Sun Aug 24 07:41:25 2008
From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu (lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 04:41:25 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Fireball???
In-Reply-To: <48B1452D.8040706@meteoritewatch.com>
References: <mailman.244.1219544018.35764.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
	<48B1452D.8040706@meteoritewatch.com>
Message-ID: <61364.71.226.60.25.1219578085.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu>


Missed it. :(

Larry

On Sun, August 24, 2008 4:25 am, Eric Wichman wrote:
> Hey,
>
>
> Anyone here anything on this yet? Did anyone see it?
>
>
> Streaking fireball a vivid spectacle in daytime sky!
> http://www.azstarnet.com/metro/254255
>
>
> Eric
> www.meteoritewatch.com www.meteoritesusa.com
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From mpg444 at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 24 08:51:58 2008
From: mpg444 at yahoo.com (Mike Groetz)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 05:51:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Possible deal for someone around Ohio
In-Reply-To: <0eb0b4d84aq2p231au2b7ohafltmqcpr4n@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <28997.59207.qm@web33005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Darren-
    Will you please send the URL so the rest of us can see the site you guys are speaking of?
Thank You
Mike


--- On Sat, 8/23/08, Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net> wrote:

> From: Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Possible deal for someone around Ohio
> To: "ALMitt" <almitt at kconline.com>
> Cc: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 11:34 AM
> On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:09:41 -0400, you wrote:
> 
> >Hi Darren and all,
> >
> >I checked this out and the auction house who printed
> this out and more 
> >importantly the cataloger stated it was a typo.
> Apparently they do have 
> >meteorites from time to time, (and perhaps a few
> meteorwrongs??) and 
> >offer them. It was close enough to me or some of my
> friends in Ohio that 
> >we could have check on it more thoroughly if they had
> one. It did show 
> >up in the current catalog but I am told it was a
> misprint. Best!
> 
> Glad you found it (even if it wasn't correct) since it
> appears that I didn't
> actually include the URL. 
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From larrytwinkmonrad at comcast.net  Sun Aug 24 10:57:46 2008
From: larrytwinkmonrad at comcast.net (Larry & Twink Monrad)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 07:57:46 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] article sent to list from Twink Monrad
Message-ID: <20080824145517.B05E710543@mailwash5.pair.com>



Tucson Region

   In our Tucson paper this morning:


Streaking fireball a vivid spectacle in daytime sky

By Shelley Shelton
Arizona Daily Star
Tucson, Arizona | Published: 08.24.2008

A fireball hurtled across the southern Tucson sky 
in broad daylight Saturday morning, startling and 
inspiring awe in those who saw it.
Chelsey Dever was working a yard sale at her 
grandmother's house on the Northwest Side around 
10:30, she said, when she looked toward the south 
and saw the ball arcing through the sky.
"At first I was like, 'Is that an airplane that's 
on fire?' " she said. Then she realized it 
wasn't. The other two people outside with her at the time didn't see it.
Across town, Catherine O'Sullivan was riding her 
bicycle southbound on Sabino Canyon Road when she 
looked up and saw it, she said.
"It looked like someone put a fiery ball in a 
catapult and launched it," she said.
O'Sullivan said she used to work in a planetarium 
and was guessing the fireball was a "bollide" ? a big meteorite.
"For one to come this close in the atmosphere and 
be seen during the day, it's just unheard of," she said.
Richard Dougall, equipment loan coordinator for 
the Tucson Amateur Astronomy Association, said he 
was thrilled to see the meteor as he drove south on Kolb Road.
"It was a fireball. It was beautiful," he said. 
"I've been in seventh heaven all morning."
He was so entranced, he almost forgot to pay attention to his driving, he said.
When asked how common it is to see such a thing 
in broad daylight, he responded, "Not."
"I've always wanted to see one in daytime," he said.
He's been a member of the astronomy group since 
2001 and has seen quite a few at night, he said.
This one had the bright reddish-orange color of a road flare, he said.
He guessed that it was probably 200 or 300 miles 
to the south, maybe farther, but said it's always hard to tell.
Even though it's unusual to see a meteor or 
meteorite during the day, Dougall said they are pretty common.
"The Earth gets struck constantly by meteorites. Constantly," he said.
Contact reporter Shelley Shelton at 434-4086 or sshelton at azstarnet.com.


From cynapse at charter.net  Sun Aug 24 10:58:01 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 10:58:01 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Possible deal for someone around Ohio
In-Reply-To: <28997.59207.qm@web33005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <0eb0b4d84aq2p231au2b7ohafltmqcpr4n@4ax.com>
	<28997.59207.qm@web33005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <omt2b416sf3nfo6rmar23sck5vdplah68t@4ax.com>

On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 05:51:58 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>Darren-
>    Will you please send the URL so the rest of us can see the site you guys are speaking of?
>Thank You

Here's the link:

http://antiquesandthearts.com/events/auction.asp?id=4686&type=1

From info at niger-meteorite-recon.de  Sun Aug 24 11:45:10 2008
From: info at niger-meteorite-recon.de (Dr. Svend Buhl)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:45:10 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] follow up on Ziz vs. new iron RFSPOD August 14
References: <20080823173131.B9650105AA@mailwash5.pair.com>
	<57D2A38BCBBB0F49B8DAD7B22662430C0141994C91D0@EXCHANGE13.Enterprise.emory.net>
Message-ID: <00b601c90600$642569f0$6401a8c0@HOME>

to all interested,

The Hmanis asked me to forward a follow up on their new irons including a 
34kg specimen they had displayed at this year's Enisheim/France meteorite 
fair. One of the new finds acquired from another dealer was kindly posted by 
Michael Johnson as Rocks from Space Picture of the Day on August 14.

M. Hmani informed me that he had meanwhile been issued a "certificate" by 
the Etudes Metallurgiques et de Traitment Thermique (EMTT) which arrives to 
the conclusion that "grain size and structure of the new material is 
identical with Ziz (NWA 854)". Mr. Hmani was so kind to forward me the 
certificate on my request and allowed me to upload the paper on my website: 
http://www.meteorite-recon.com/en/Meteoritensammlung.htm (see Inventory # 
B-0243)

To my understanding the paper states that the questioned iron is an og 
octehedrite such as Ziz. According to the certificate a microscopic analysis 
of an etched surface has been performed but no element mapping or neutron 
activation scan. I assume, the certificate does not intend to claim a 
pairing. Please note that this is my personal opinion.

cheers

Svend

www.meteorite-recon.com 


From paal.meland at loqal.no  Mon Aug 25 13:25:30 2008
From: paal.meland at loqal.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E5l_Meland?=)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:25:30 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Metal detector on Achondrite
Message-ID: <JEEOLDBHPCMHMKDMFFBIEEFOCAAA.paal.meland@loqal.no>

Hi
Thank you Bernd and Elton for the answer of my question.
Paal

From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 24 14:23:21 2008
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 11:23:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Crater Wrong?
Message-ID: <613604.82619.qm@web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello Everyone - 

http://www.thedailyjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080819/NEWS01/808190301/1002

I can't remember if I saw any mention of this on the list, but then now days I can't remember many things. My guess is that someone here is probably among those who told this fellow he was mistaken, but then who knows?

(PS - That La Luz sounds beautiful)

good hunting all, 
E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas





      

From jwal2000 at swbell.net  Sun Aug 24 15:30:20 2008
From: jwal2000 at swbell.net (Jerry A. Wallace)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 14:30:20 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] article sent to list from Twink Monrad
Message-ID: <48B1B6CC.5000200@swbell.net>


> Even though it's unusual to see a meteor or meteorite during the day, 
> Dougall said they are pretty common.
> "The Earth gets struck constantly by meteorites. Constantly," he said.
Sounds like if the interviewer had probed Mr. Dougall's thoughts a bit 
deeper, he might have said:

"I'm always dodging the damned things left and right. They're mighty 
pesky critters, them meteorites. Had a
really close call with one last Thursday. Almost got it right in the 
teeth. Just one little misstep or miscalculation
as to their speed or trajectory and you're fried mush. It's a bloomin' 
wonder more people aren't hit by the
rascally things. But then maybe that's why we seem to be having so many 
mysterious disappearances lately.
People that are hit by a fast, sizable fireball are immediately 
vaporized. Happens so fast nobody notices. Just
the smell lingers a bit. But even that's gone in a hurry if there's any 
breeze. Yep, meteorites are probably the
culprit, all right. Seems like it's way past time for a major government 
investigation into the matter."

Or not.

Jerry W.



From larrytwinkmonrad at comcast.net  Sun Aug 24 17:34:34 2008
From: larrytwinkmonrad at comcast.net (Larry & Twink Monrad)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 14:34:34 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] fireball article
Message-ID: <20080824213206.070C11053C@mailwash5.pair.com>



Tucson Region

   In our Tucson paper this morning:



Streaking fireball a vivid spectacle in daytime sky

By Shelley Shelton
Arizona Daily Star
Tucson, Arizona | Published: 08.24.2008

A fireball hurtled across the southern Tucson sky 
in broad daylight Saturday morning, startling and 
inspiring awe in those who saw it.
Chelsey Dever was working a yard sale at her 
grandmother's house on the Northwest Side around 
10:30, she said, when she looked toward the south 
and saw the ball arcing through the sky.
"At first I was like, 'Is that an airplane that's 
on fire?' " she said. Then she realized it 
wasn't. The other two people outside with her at the time didn't see it.
Across town, Catherine O'Sullivan was riding her 
bicycle southbound on Sabino Canyon Road when she 
looked up and saw it, she said.
"It looked like someone put a fiery ball in a 
catapult and launched it," she said.
O'Sullivan said she used to work in a planetarium 
and was guessing the fireball was a "bollide" ? a big meteorite.
"For one to come this close in the atmosphere and 
be seen during the day, it's just unheard of," she said.
Richard Dougall, equipment loan coordinator for 
the Tucson Amateur Astronomy Association, said he 
was thrilled to see the meteor as he drove south on Kolb Road.
"It was a fireball. It was beautiful," he said. 
"I've been in seventh heaven all morning."
He was so entranced, he almost forgot to pay attention to his driving, he said.
When asked how common it is to see such a thing 
in broad daylight, he responded, "Not."
"I've always wanted to see one in daytime," he said.
He's been a member of the astronomy group since 
2001 and has seen quite a few at night, he said.
This one had the bright reddish-orange color of a road flare, he said.
He guessed that it was probably 200 or 300 miles 
to the south, maybe farther, but said it's always hard to tell.
Even though it's unusual to see a meteor or 
meteorite during the day, Dougall said they are pretty common.
"The Earth gets struck constantly by meteorites. Constantly," he said.
Contact reporter Shelley Shelton at 434-4086 or sshelton at azstarnet.com.


From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Sun Aug 24 18:36:00 2008
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:36:00 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Crater Wrong?
References: <613604.82619.qm@web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <030801c90639$c9721810$f34ce146@ATARIENGINE>

Hi, EP,

    If we were looking at The Moon instead of Australia,
it would be less confusing. We are so much less opinionated
about the Moon than the home planet. Not mentioned in this
article is that there is already a huge crater in Australia, the
Acraman Crater, with a ring at 90 km and another at 160-km,
which has been dated to 578mya, virtually the same age as
has been proposed for this "crater" (584mya). This is the
Late Vendian period, geologically, and the time of a major
extinction.

    Acraman required a 3-mile (5 km) diameter impactor, and
produced at least a 1,000,000 Megaton impact, and has a
300-mile ejecta blanket. The Acraman event has been suggested
as having a major effect on the evolution of life on Earth:
http://aca.mq.edu.au/files/ahill_SETINews2003.pdf
The upper 2500 meters of the Acraman crater has eroded
away in the half billion years it's been there!

    When I "stand back" from the planet with Google Earth,
I see a vaguely defined giant outer ring, but not a circular one
as mapped in the article. It is clearly an east-west elliptical
feature and the outline is not marked by any consistently
elevated features (mountains, hills, faults) as a rim would
be. It is largely a gigantic contrast feature.

    It may be the outline of that pre-Cambrian inland sea that
we know did exist there. It looks suspiciously like an ancient
ejecta blanket to me. And, it could be both: an ancient seabed
filled with a kilometer(s)-deep ejecta blanket.

    Or, it could be nothing but a coincidental contrast feature.

    The Acraman crater is right on the "rim" of the ejecta
blanket ellipse. About the right size for a secondary crater
from so huge an impact, if one happened. (Any secondaries
closer in would be buried by ejecta.)

    The guy's whole case is entirely "suggestive" rather than
evidential, at least up to the pseudotachylite.. It's no surprise
the government geologists in Australia were uninterested. You
have to remember that "impact" is not entirely accepted theory
in Australia.

    As late 1978, the man called the "dean" of Australian geology,
was writing textbooks that asserted that the craters on the Moon
were all volcanic, that tektites were produced in cryptovolcanic
events, not impact craters (because there are no impact craters
on Earth), and that the impact theory was "an American fantasy."

    I would imagine Australian geologists are just getting free of
that training. Connelly should send his data to the Australian
geologists who found (and recognized) the Acraman crater.
Any impact this huge should have left a massive amount of
evidence in subsurface strata.

    On the other hand, Connelly could be finding and conflating
evidence of Acraman into his picture of events. Or, there could
be another crater, even bigger than Acraman, probably very
deeply buried under that old seabed. Connelly's small gravity
map doesn't show very circular or radial features. It's doesn't
look like Chicxulub, for example.

    If anyone wants to look at the full-sized gravity map of
Australia, here it is (it's a JPEG of about 7 Megabytes!):
http://www.ga.gov.au/image_cache/GA11515.jpg
Acraman doesn't show up on it, either, at least not on this
scale or in any obvious (to me) way, but it was gravitic
anomalies that got it spotted in 1997.

    Look at the Ring-and-Rift patterns for Australia (p. 169)!
http://books.google.com/books?id=K4tv9_cRtvUC&pg=PA169&lpg=PA169&dq=acraman+gravity+map&source=web&ots=zgCvftVNMU&sig=PPxR790YeI4-SxuwDCZ7D735Lxk&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=2&ct=result#PPA169,M1
You couldn't ask for a better map of the ancient basined
surface of an earlier Earth than that. Wow!

    Not convinced yet... but I would never tell anybody with
a whacky idea to quit, just keep digging. It is interesting that
a local came up with a similar idea from different (and "on the
ground" evidence). And there is that pseudotachylite evidence.

    Time will tell.


Sterling K. Webb
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "E.P. Grondine" <epgrondine at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 1:23 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Crater Wrong?


Hello Everyone -

http://www.thedailyjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080819/NEWS01/808190301/1002

I can't remember if I saw any mention of this on the list, but then now days 
I can't remember many things. My guess is that someone here is probably 
among those who told this fellow he was mistaken, but then who knows?

(PS - That La Luz sounds beautiful)

good hunting all,
E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas






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From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Sun Aug 24 19:09:05 2008
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:09:05 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Acraman Corections
Message-ID: <031201c9063e$68c8d120$f34ce146@ATARIENGINE>

Hi, EP, List,

George E. Williams, a mining geologist at Broken Hill Mine,
first suggested Acraman was a crater as long ago as 1986:
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/233/4760/200

Gene Shoemaker wrote about it in 1996. (Sorry, no link.)

The Acraman impact was bigger than I said: 5 or 6 million
megatons, rather than "only" one million megatons!
There are the "required" iridium traces and some big
shatter cones, too, so all the signs are there for Acraman.
It appears now that more like 5000 meters of crust have
eroded out of the crater since it formed. There is suspicion
that the event extincted the mysterious Ediacaran fauna.
http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~db=all?content=10.1080/08120090500181036

And the Australians are now officially referring to Acraman
as the Acraman-Bunyeroo Event.

Don't ask me what a Bunyeroo is... Maybe a relative of
the Bunyip?


Sterling K. Webb


From Impactika at aol.com  Sun Aug 24 22:50:47 2008
From: Impactika at aol.com (Impactika at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:50:47 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Website updates.
Message-ID: <c23.45276cdf.35e37807@aol.com>

Hello List-Members,

I finally got to add a bunch of pieces to my  Thin-Sections Catalog, and a 
bunch of pictures too. Some are really amazing,  just go look at the pictures of 
the Tafassasset thin-sections if you don't  believe  me:

_http://www.impactika.com/TSlist.htm_ (http://www.impactika.com/TSlist.htm)   
 
You might have to hit "Refresh" on the page to get the newest  version.  And 
there is another batch coming up shortly, maybe this week,  maybe next week, 
but certainly before the Denver Show.
 
And that brings up another subject: the Denver Show.  It is less than  3 
weeks away. In fact 3 weeks from right now, it will be over, done,  finished.  Who 
is coming?  Who is putting pieces in the COMETS  Auction?
Any questions?  from anyone????
If you go to my site, and please do go to my site! you will find there a  
link to the COMETS website with a lot of details. 

Comments? questions?
Thanks.

Anne M.  Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
IMPACTIKA at aol.com
Vice-President of IMCA
www.IMCA.cc 
 



**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel 
deal here.      
(http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

From sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 25 15:17:42 2008
From: sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com (Steve Dunklee)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:17:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Possible deal for someone around Ohio
In-Reply-To: <omt2b416sf3nfo6rmar23sck5vdplah68t@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <377440.97287.qm@web33201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

has the list been quiet or am i not getting the posts?
have a great day
Steve



--- On Sun, 8/24/08, Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net> wrote:

> From: Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Possible deal for someone around Ohio
> To: mpg444 at yahoo.com
> Cc: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 9:58 AM
> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 05:51:58 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
> 
> >Darren-
> >    Will you please send the URL so the rest of us can
> see the site you guys are speaking of?
> >Thank You
> 
> Here's the link:
> 
> http://antiquesandthearts.com/events/auction.asp?id=4686&type=1
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From christian.anger at aon.at  Mon Aug 25 15:45:51 2008
From: christian.anger at aon.at (Christian Anger)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:45:51 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] looking for Imilac
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAABeLT4eluh5LvsRGw88voHPCgAAAEAAAAHAA/HDIbGlBivOTvaHz7FABAAAAAA==@aon.at>

Hi all,

I am looking for an Imliac slice,

looking for good offers.

Please contact me offlist.

Cheers,

Christian




I.M.C.A. #2673 at www.imca.cc
website: www.austromet.com
?
Ing. Christian Anger
Korngasse 6
2405 Bad Deutsch-Altenburg
AUSTRIA
?
email: christian.anger at aon.at
email: meteorites at austromet.com




From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Mon Aug 25 15:46:38 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 25 Aug 2008 19:46:38 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Sounds of Silence
Message-ID: <DIIE.0000008B0000309D@paulinet.de>

Steve wrote: "has the list been quiet or am i not getting the posts?"

Shh! Don't wake 'em up! ;-)

Have a great day too !

Bernd ... zzz ... zzz


From sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 25 15:56:26 2008
From: sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com (Steve Dunklee)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:56:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Sounds of Silence
In-Reply-To: <DIIE.0000008B0000309D@paulinet.de>
Message-ID: <704799.61355.qm@web33202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

but i like reading the posts! even the meteorwrongs and alien conspiracy stuff! but always look forward to the picture of the day!


--- On Mon, 8/25/08, bernd.pauli at paulinet.de <bernd.pauli at paulinet.de> wrote:

> From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de <bernd.pauli at paulinet.de>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Sounds of Silence
> To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 2:46 PM
> Steve wrote: "has the list been quiet or am i not
> getting the posts?"
> 
> Shh! Don't wake 'em up! ;-)
> 
> Have a great day too !
> 
> Bernd ... zzz ... zzz
> 
> ______________________________________________
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From fuzzfoot at comcast.net  Mon Aug 25 15:58:22 2008
From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:58:22 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Sounds of Silence
In-Reply-To: <DIIE.0000008B0000309D@paulinet.de>
Message-ID: <20080825195824.0CD1210585@mailwash5.pair.com>

When in doubt, I check the archives:

http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html

Best,

Mike Bandli

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
bernd.pauli at paulinet.de
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 12:47 PM
To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Sounds of Silence

Steve wrote: "has the list been quiet or am i not getting the posts?"

Shh! Don't wake 'em up! ;-)

Have a great day too !

Bernd ... zzz ... zzz

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From fuzzfoot at comcast.net  Mon Aug 25 16:01:37 2008
From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:01:37 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Wayback Machine for Meteorites
Message-ID: <20080825200142.D9F6910585@mailwash5.pair.com>

http://www.archive.org/web/web.php

Just type the meteorite or dealer url in the Wayback Machine and prepare to
be astounded at all the information archived from the past 10 years. Thought
a webpage was deleted forever? Not the case! I'm sure some of you have
already seen this, but this site has been extremely helpful in finding old
information and photos of meteorites purchased in the past. It was also
helpful in tracking the provenance of one specimen and finding pre-cut
images of others. It is interesting to look back at pricing from many years
ago. Believe it or not, we still have it good. Be careful, though... I spent
over 4 hours perusing old sites and downloading pictures and info. It's
addicting.

Kind regards,
?
Mike Bandli
IMCA #5765
?




From deanbessey at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 25 16:17:51 2008
From: deanbessey at yahoo.com (dean bessey)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:17:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] "fireworks going in the wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <447070.36626.qm@web58412.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <422908.4387.qm@web56111.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Thats the first time I have herd meteorites described as 
"fireworks going in the wrong direction"
Might be an appropriate description. If I can figure out where the shower was at maybe a meteorite search is in order
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10529021
Cheers
DEAN


      

From cynapse at charter.net  Mon Aug 25 16:20:38 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:20:38 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Wayback Machine for Meteorites
In-Reply-To: <20080825200142.D9F6910585@mailwash5.pair.com>
References: <20080825200142.D9F6910585@mailwash5.pair.com>
Message-ID: <co46b45r48l5cs9l6ebrt5bjl5jiiej8rt@4ax.com>

On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:01:37 -0700, you wrote:

>http://www.archive.org/web/web.php
>
>Just type the meteorite or dealer url in the Wayback Machine and prepare to
>be astounded at all the information archived from the past 10 years. 

Just be careful when using the Wayback Machine to avoid any freaky talking dogs
with a soft spot for brutal conqurers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMQQea_2Q68&feature=related

From cojack at tiscali.it  Mon Aug 25 17:27:03 2008
From: cojack at tiscali.it (Francesco Moser)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:27:03 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] my unclassified. vs. nwa2622
Message-ID: <004301c906f9$522c7b40$0200a8c0@FISSO>


Hi all!

Some days ago I found a picture of nwa2622 that
impress me much because it show a meteorite that looks like a little
end-piece that I have in collection as unclassified chondrite from sahara.

Here are the pictures of the my sample:
http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/Immagini/Meteoriti/Rocciose-Condriti/NWAxxx-14.jpg
http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/Immagini/Meteoriti/Rocciose-Condriti/NWAxxx-14_358.jpg

and here's nwa2622:
http://www.meteorites.com.au/media/NWA%202622.jpg

Do you think are the same material??
It's really cool if I could give a real nwa number to my sample!!!

Here's some other samples that I sold some years ago:
http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/NWAxxx-14-1.jpg
http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/NWAxxx-14-2.jpg
http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/NWAxxx-14-3.jpg

Please let me know what you think!

Thanks!!!

<><><><>
Francesco Moser
http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/
IMCA #1510 www.imca.cc



From mlblood at cox.net  Mon Aug 25 17:25:43 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:25:43 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Wayback Machine for Meteorites
In-Reply-To: <20080825200142.D9F6910585@mailwash5.pair.com>
Message-ID: <C4D87167.19694%mlblood@cox.net>

Hi Mike and all,
        I bet at least some of the list members are no more savvy
Than I about computer workings. So, I ask this question here:
I went to the Way Back Machine to which you refer below.
        I typed in a meteorite name and hit "go" - got a black
Page. Typed in "Proud Tom" and same results.
        Went to the "http" box and typed in my own website -
Same result.
        Might you tell me/us HOW THIS IS SUPPOSED TO WORK?
        I bet there is a way..... Just ain't savvy enough....
        Michael

on 8/25/08 1:01 PM, Mike Bandli at fuzzfoot at comcast.net wrote:

> http://www.archive.org/web/web.php
> 
> Just type the meteorite or dealer url in the Wayback Machine and prepare to
> be astounded at all the information archived from the past 10 years. Thought
> a webpage was deleted forever? Not the case! I'm sure some of you have
> already seen this, but this site has been extremely helpful in finding old
> information and photos of meteorites purchased in the past. It was also
> helpful in tracking the provenance of one specimen and finding pre-cut
> images of others. It is interesting to look back at pricing from many years
> ago. Believe it or not, we still have it good. Be careful, though... I spent
> over 4 hours perusing old sites and downloading pictures and info. It's
> addicting.
> 
> Kind regards,
> ?
> Mike Bandli
> IMCA #5765
> ?
> 
> 
> 
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list

If you don't send this to at least 8 people.....
who gives a crap.  









From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Mon Aug 25 17:44:50 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 25 Aug 2008 21:44:50 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] My unclassified. vs. NWA 2622
Message-ID: <DIIE.00000087000030A3@paulinet.de>

Buona sera Francesco and List,

Francesco wrote:

"I found a picture of NWA 2622 that ...looks like a little end-piece
that I have in collection as unclassified chondrite from Sahara...Do
you think they are the same material?"

A difficult question but they do look similar. I'll send you a pic of my
NWA 2622 that I purchased some years ago from the Hup? brothers
so you can compare once more.

Another look-alike meteorite that I immediately remembered is Mike
Farmer's NWA 1933. Will also send you pics of this one. Maybe this
helps you decide what you've got!

Bernd


To: cojack at tiscali.it
    meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com


From marcin at polandmet.com  Mon Aug 25 17:55:43 2008
From: marcin at polandmet.com (PolandMET)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:55:43 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Site update - new LL3.05 - new coin
References: <20080825200142.D9F6910585@mailwash5.pair.com>
	<co46b45r48l5cs9l6ebrt5bjl5jiiej8rt@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <000601c906fd$527f5960$0d00000a@polandmezrd5i9>

Hello List
I finally updated my page with new material.
There is one interesting chondrite, new and the only one outside antarctica 
LL3.05. Anyone interested please visit my page.
Ofcourse I have some other interesting new classifications like howardite, 
LL3.2, "plutonic" eucrite, shergottite.
http://www.polandmet.com/index.htm

For those who love coins, I have good news.
Very soon, there will be available new silver coin (not medal).
Like the latest, 3rd meteorite coin with Brenham, the new one will be minted 
in Cook Islands, but this time every coin come with slice, instead of 
unrecognizable broken fragments. Ofcourse coins will be with Pultusk H5 
slice, to celebrate 140th Anniversary of the Pultusk meteorite shower. Coin 
will have same size like previous ones, with palladium plated sky.
http://www.polandmet.com/_coin.htm

I have auctions ending tomorrow, also with new material listed there.
http://stores.ebay.com/PolandMET-Store

-----[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-----[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-----
http://www.Meteoryty.pl             marcin(at)meteoryty.pl
http://www.PolandMET.com       marcin(at)meteorite.pl
http://www.Gao-Guenie.com      GSM: +48 (793) kosmos
--------[ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]--------


From fuzzfoot at comcast.net  Mon Aug 25 17:58:48 2008
From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:58:48 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Wayback Machine for Meteorites
In-Reply-To: <C4D87167.19694%mlblood@cox.net>
Message-ID: <20080825215854.C736B10545@mailwash5.pair.com>

The Wayback Machine can be SLOW as molasses at times and you may have hit it
at a bad time. It doesn't work by just typing meteorite names. You need to
enter an URL. Here is what you should do:

Type the web URL (michaelbloodmeteorites.com) after the http:// in the box
labeled 'Take Me Back' and click the button.?

After this it should bring up a list of Dates (years and months) of archived
web pages within the URL. I typed in michaelbloodmeteorites.com and it goes
back as far as 2002. Here is a direct link:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com

Mike Farmer's goes back further and is pretty neat. Lots of old pics there.
It's interesting to see how everyone's websites have evolved.

Hope this helps!

Mike Bandli



-----Original Message-----
From: Michael L Blood [mailto:mlblood at cox.net] 
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 2:26 PM
To: Mike Bandli; Meteorite List
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wayback Machine for Meteorites

Hi Mike and all,
        I bet at least some of the list members are no more savvy
Than I about computer workings. So, I ask this question here:
I went to the Way Back Machine to which you refer below.
        I typed in a meteorite name and hit "go" - got a black
Page. Typed in "Proud Tom" and same results.
        Went to the "http" box and typed in my own website -
Same result.
        Might you tell me/us HOW THIS IS SUPPOSED TO WORK?
        I bet there is a way..... Just ain't savvy enough....
        Michael

on 8/25/08 1:01 PM, Mike Bandli at fuzzfoot at comcast.net wrote:

> http://www.archive.org/web/web.php
> 
> Just type the meteorite or dealer url in the Wayback Machine and prepare
to
> be astounded at all the information archived from the past 10 years.
Thought
> a webpage was deleted forever? Not the case! I'm sure some of you have
> already seen this, but this site has been extremely helpful in finding old
> information and photos of meteorites purchased in the past. It was also
> helpful in tracking the provenance of one specimen and finding pre-cut
> images of others. It is interesting to look back at pricing from many
years
> ago. Believe it or not, we still have it good. Be careful, though... I
spent
> over 4 hours perusing old sites and downloading pictures and info. It's
> addicting.
> 
> Kind regards,
> ?
> Mike Bandli
> IMCA #5765
> ?
> 
> 
> 
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list

If you don't send this to at least 8 people.....
who gives a crap.  











From mlblood at cox.net  Mon Aug 25 18:33:26 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:33:26 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Wayback Machine for Meteorites
In-Reply-To: <20080825215854.QLJ15740.fed1rmmtai109.cox.net@fed1rmimpi03.cox.net>
Message-ID: <C4D88146.196B7%mlblood@cox.net>

Thanks,
        Interesting.... Mine should go back to like 1994 or something -
PRIOR to digital photos being used by anyone.
        Michael

on 8/25/08 2:58 PM, Mike Bandli at fuzzfoot at comcast.net wrote:

> The Wayback Machine can be SLOW as molasses at times and you may have hit it
> at a bad time. It doesn't work by just typing meteorite names. You need to
> enter an URL. Here is what you should do:
> 
> Type the web URL (michaelbloodmeteorites.com) after the http:// in the box
> labeled 'Take Me Back' and click the button.?
> 
> After this it should bring up a list of Dates (years and months) of archived
> web pages within the URL. I typed in michaelbloodmeteorites.com and it goes
> back as far as 2002. Here is a direct link:
> 
> http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com
> 
> Mike Farmer's goes back further and is pretty neat. Lots of old pics there.
> It's interesting to see how everyone's websites have evolved.
> 
> Hope this helps!
> 
> Mike Bandli
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael L Blood [mailto:mlblood at cox.net]
> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 2:26 PM
> To: Mike Bandli; Meteorite List
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wayback Machine for Meteorites
> 
> Hi Mike and all,
>         I bet at least some of the list members are no more savvy
> Than I about computer workings. So, I ask this question here:
> I went to the Way Back Machine to which you refer below.
>         I typed in a meteorite name and hit "go" - got a black
> Page. Typed in "Proud Tom" and same results.
>         Went to the "http" box and typed in my own website -
> Same result.
>         Might you tell me/us HOW THIS IS SUPPOSED TO WORK?
>         I bet there is a way..... Just ain't savvy enough....
>         Michael
> 
> on 8/25/08 1:01 PM, Mike Bandli at fuzzfoot at comcast.net wrote:
> 
>> http://www.archive.org/web/web.php
>> 
>> Just type the meteorite or dealer url in the Wayback Machine and prepare
> to
>> be astounded at all the information archived from the past 10 years.
> Thought
>> a webpage was deleted forever? Not the case! I'm sure some of you have
>> already seen this, but this site has been extremely helpful in finding old
>> information and photos of meteorites purchased in the past. It was also
>> helpful in tracking the provenance of one specimen and finding pre-cut
>> images of others. It is interesting to look back at pricing from many
> years
>> ago. Believe it or not, we still have it good. Be careful, though... I
> spent
>> over 4 hours perusing old sites and downloading pictures and info. It's
>> addicting.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> ?
>> Mike Bandli
>> IMCA #5765
>> ?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> 
> If you don't send this to at least 8 people.....
> who gives a crap.
 






From bobadebt at ec.rr.com  Mon Aug 25 18:47:42 2008
From: bobadebt at ec.rr.com (David & Kitt Deyarmin)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:47:42 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Website Update
Message-ID: <238BC1D2A61549D5BAC64BB14B85ACEC@David>

I just updated all of the History Pages for each sphere listed on my 
website.

Now you can start with the first sphere of my collection. which was the 
Gibeon, and proceed through each sphere by clicking on the link at the 
bottom of each history page

Here is the link to my site

http://home.ec.rr.com/bobadebt/50mil.htm

Feedback is always appreciated

Thanks 



From paul at meteorite.com  Mon Aug 25 19:25:00 2008
From: paul at meteorite.com (Paul Harris)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:25:00 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Wayback Machine for Meteorites
In-Reply-To: <C4D88146.196B7%mlblood@cox.net>
References: <C4D88146.196B7%mlblood@cox.net>
Message-ID: <48B33F4C.3070708@meteorite.com>

Hi Michael and Mike,

Thanks for the link Mike! I'm now way off task... :-)

Michael,
Your first catalog page was on our meteorite.com site. Our first page 
listed is Nov 11, 1996 and I don't see your site
listed but you are on the next page listed which is Dec. 10, 1997.  Your 
'97 page shows catalog updates starting in Sept. '97
so it's somewhere between 11/96 and 9/97.

http://web.archive.org/web/19971210061237/www.meteorite.com/Michael_Blood/catalog.htm

Here's a page of ours that I have not seen in a very long time.  We used 
to have a Meteorite Kids page and besides my 2 daughters
there is Steve #1's daughter and niece, Eric Twelker's kids, and Walter 
Zeitschel's granddaughter. I wonder if any of the kids are now list members?

http://web.archive.org/web/19981203072316/www.meteorite.com/kids/kids.htm

Paul Harris



Michael L Blood wrote:
> Thanks,
>         Interesting.... Mine should go back to like 1994 or something -
> PRIOR to digital photos being used by anyone.
>         Michael
>
> on 8/25/08 2:58 PM, Mike Bandli at fuzzfoot at comcast.net wrote:
>
>   
>> The Wayback Machine can be SLOW as molasses at times and you may have hit it
>> at a bad time. It doesn't work by just typing meteorite names. You need to
>> enter an URL. Here is what you should do:
>>
>> Type the web URL (michaelbloodmeteorites.com) after the http:// in the box
>> labeled 'Take Me Back' and click the button. 
>>
>> After this it should bring up a list of Dates (years and months) of archived
>> web pages within the URL. I typed in michaelbloodmeteorites.com and it goes
>> back as far as 2002. Here is a direct link:
>>
>> http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com
>>
>> Mike Farmer's goes back further and is pretty neat. Lots of old pics there.
>> It's interesting to see how everyone's websites have evolved.
>>
>> Hope this helps!
>>
>> Mike Bandli
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael L Blood [mailto:mlblood at cox.net]
>> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 2:26 PM
>> To: Mike Bandli; Meteorite List
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wayback Machine for Meteorites
>>
>> Hi Mike and all,
>>         I bet at least some of the list members are no more savvy
>> Than I about computer workings. So, I ask this question here:
>> I went to the Way Back Machine to which you refer below.
>>         I typed in a meteorite name and hit "go" - got a black
>> Page. Typed in "Proud Tom" and same results.
>>         Went to the "http" box and typed in my own website -
>> Same result.
>>         Might you tell me/us HOW THIS IS SUPPOSED TO WORK?
>>         I bet there is a way..... Just ain't savvy enough....
>>         Michael
>>
>> on 8/25/08 1:01 PM, Mike Bandli at fuzzfoot at comcast.net wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> http://www.archive.org/web/web.php
>>>
>>> Just type the meteorite or dealer url in the Wayback Machine and prepare
>>>       
>> to
>>     
>>> be astounded at all the information archived from the past 10 years.
>>>       
>> Thought
>>     
>>> a webpage was deleted forever? Not the case! I'm sure some of you have
>>> already seen this, but this site has been extremely helpful in finding old
>>> information and photos of meteorites purchased in the past. It was also
>>> helpful in tracking the provenance of one specimen and finding pre-cut
>>> images of others. It is interesting to look back at pricing from many
>>>       
>> years
>>     
>>> ago. Believe it or not, we still have it good. Be careful, though... I
>>>       
>> spent
>>     
>>> over 4 hours perusing old sites and downloading pictures and info. It's
>>> addicting.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>  
>>> Mike Bandli
>>> IMCA #5765
>>>  
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>>       
>> If you don't send this to at least 8 people.....
>> who gives a crap.
>>     
>  
>
>
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
>
>   



From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 25 21:50:25 2008
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:50:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD : Meteorite Book & Magazine Sale, Part 2
Message-ID: <894423.97618.qm@web58413.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi Folks!

I still have a few meteorite-related books and magazines available.

I have assigned prices to these items, but if a particular price seems
too high, feel free to make a counter-offer. :)

All prices include shipping to anywhere in the CONUS.  Shipping to Canada,
Europe, and Overseas will be extra, contact me for a quote.

1) Out of the Sky - an Introduction to Meteoritics (Nininger) - softcover,
overall very good condition with a previous owner's name written on the
cover lightly in pen and a few other minor markings.  Dover 1959 edition.
---> $25.00

The following vintage Sky & Telescope magazines feature one or more
articles each about meteorites and all but the May 1975 issue have
meteorites on the cover.

2) Sky & Telescope magazine May 1975 - article about the Henbury craters
that includes several 11 photos of the craters, the meteorites, and
some of the people who found the meteorites. ---> $20.00

3) Sky & Telescope magazine Feb 1967 - article about Mundrabilla and it
has a photo of the largest Australian meteorite on the cover. The 
Mundrabilla article has 5 photos.  There is also a short article about the
"Fireball associated with the Barwell meteorite", and an article about
"The great bolide of April 25, 1966" - that's 3 meteor/meteorite related
articles in one magazine. :) ---> $20.00

4) Sky & Telescope May 1969 - Cover photo of a meteorite being analyzed
for trace radioactivity to determine the age of exposure to cosmic rays.
Also features an extensive article about the Allende fall and the
Alandroal fall from Portugal.  The article has 11 photos.  ---> $20.00

5) National Geographic Sept. 1986 - Invaders from Outer Space issue with
an extensive article on meteorites with many color photos.  This
extensive article features over 30 high-quality color photos, including
Bob Haag hunting meteorites and showing off a beautiful slice of Imilac.
This is probably one of the best meteorite-related articles to appear in
a mainstream magazine. There is a tiny tear on the rear cover ---> $20.00

6) Meteorites from A to Z (3rd edition) by Michael and William Jensen.
This is the new edition, signed by the Jensens and it has a couple of minor
pencil marks from me inside.  Otherwise near-mint condition. ---> $18.00

The following are copies of the Journal of Meteoritics and Planetary
Science (MAPS) - if you would like to own some without paying $100+ to
join the Meteoritical Society, here's your chance.  All of these are in
minty or near-minty condition.

7) Volume 42 Supplement September 2007 - Ernst Florens Friedrich Chladni
(1756-1827) and the Origins of Modern Meteorite Research.  by Ursula
B. Marvin.  68 pages with photos.  ---> $20.00

8) Volume 42 Number 1/2 Jan/Feb 2008 - article in this issue are : This is
the Stardust Mission issue with 7 articles pertaining to the Stardust
mission. 428 pages with photos ---> $20.00

9) Volume 43 Supplement July 2008 - Proceedings from the 71st Annual
Meeting of the Meteoritical Society in Matsue Japan 2008.  Includes
abstracts from the meeting and an article on the workshop on Antarctic
meteorites, their search, recovery and classification. 205 pages with
photos ---> $20.00

10) Volume 43 Number 3 March 2008 - 11 articles and photos, approx 200
pages.  Includes the full Meteoritical Bulletin #93 with 1443 approved
meteorite names - including NWA 5000, and a host of others.  ---> $20.00

Take all of the above for $120 shipped to anywhere in the CONUS.

PayPal preferred, but I will accept a USPS Postal Money order from CONUS
buyers only.  PayPal only for non-US buyers.

Thanks for looking and clear skies!

MikeG

PS - photos provided on request.

.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
..........................................................




      

From mlblood at cox.net  Tue Aug 26 04:49:15 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 01:49:15 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Wayback Machine for Meteorites
In-Reply-To: <48B33F4C.3070708@meteorite.com>
Message-ID: <C4D9119B.196DD%mlblood@cox.net>

Hi Paul, 
        VERY cool! However, I do know that I had NO photos in my first
website and the one below has a photo of the MBC-10 AND the famous
"Tobin Polarascope Adaptor" which came much later. (Unfortunately,
These are no longer available as Jim can't get a supply of linear
Polar lenses - they are all now circular). Still, yoiur memory is
undoubtedly better than mine which I lost to Mad Cow (Denny Crain)
years ago.
        I remember that crazy "tick-tock" exclamation point! Too cool.
        Best wishes, Michael


on 8/25/08 4:25 PM, Paul Harris at paul at meteorite.com wrote:

> Hi Michael and Mike,
> 
> Thanks for the link Mike! I'm now way off task... :-)
> 
> Michael,
> Your first catalog page was on our meteorite.com site. Our first page
> listed is Nov 11, 1996 and I don't see your site
> listed but you are on the next page listed which is Dec. 10, 1997.  Your
> '97 page shows catalog updates starting in Sept. '97
> so it's somewhere between 11/96 and 9/97.
> 
> http://web.archive.org/web/19971210061237/www.meteorite.com/Michael_Blood/cata
> log.htm
> 
> Here's a page of ours that I have not seen in a very long time.  We used
> to have a Meteorite Kids page and besides my 2 daughters
> there is Steve #1's daughter and niece, Eric Twelker's kids, and Walter
> Zeitschel's granddaughter. I wonder if any of the kids are now list members?
> 
> http://web.archive.org/web/19981203072316/www.meteorite.com/kids/kids.htm
> 
> Paul Harris
> 
> 
> 
> Michael L Blood wrote:
>> Thanks,
>>         Interesting.... Mine should go back to like 1994 or something -
>> PRIOR to digital photos being used by anyone.
>>         Michael
>> 
>> on 8/25/08 2:58 PM, Mike Bandli at fuzzfoot at comcast.net wrote:
>> 
>>   
>>> The Wayback Machine can be SLOW as molasses at times and you may have hit it
>>> at a bad time. It doesn't work by just typing meteorite names. You need to
>>> enter an URL. Here is what you should do:
>>> 
>>> Type the web URL (michaelbloodmeteorites.com) after the http:// in the box
>>> labeled 'Take Me Back' and click the button.
>>> 
>>> After this it should bring up a list of Dates (years and months) of archived
>>> web pages within the URL. I typed in michaelbloodmeteorites.com and it goes
>>> back as far as 2002. Here is a direct link:
>>> 
>>> http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com
>>> 
>>> Mike Farmer's goes back further and is pretty neat. Lots of old pics there.
>>> It's interesting to see how everyone's websites have evolved.
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps!
>>> 
>>> Mike Bandli
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Michael L Blood [mailto:mlblood at cox.net]
>>> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 2:26 PM
>>> To: Mike Bandli; Meteorite List
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wayback Machine for Meteorites
>>> 
>>> Hi Mike and all,
>>>         I bet at least some of the list members are no more savvy
>>> Than I about computer workings. So, I ask this question here:
>>> I went to the Way Back Machine to which you refer below.
>>>         I typed in a meteorite name and hit "go" - got a black
>>> Page. Typed in "Proud Tom" and same results.
>>>         Went to the "http" box and typed in my own website -
>>> Same result.
>>>         Might you tell me/us HOW THIS IS SUPPOSED TO WORK?
>>>         I bet there is a way..... Just ain't savvy enough....
>>>         Michael
>>> 
>>> on 8/25/08 1:01 PM, Mike Bandli at fuzzfoot at comcast.net wrote:
>>> 
>>>     
>>>> http://www.archive.org/web/web.php
>>>> 
>>>> Just type the meteorite or dealer url in the Wayback Machine and prepare
>>>>       
>>> to
>>>     
>>>> be astounded at all the information archived from the past 10 years.
>>>>       
>>> Thought
>>>     
>>>> a webpage was deleted forever? Not the case! I'm sure some of you have
>>>> already seen this, but this site has been extremely helpful in finding old
>>>> information and photos of meteorites purchased in the past. It was also
>>>> helpful in tracking the provenance of one specimen and finding pre-cut
>>>> images of others. It is interesting to look back at pricing from many
>>>>       
>>> years
>>>     
>>>> ago. Believe it or not, we still have it good. Be careful, though... I
>>>>       
>>> spent
>>>     
>>>> over 4 hours perusing old sites and downloading pictures and info. It's
>>>> addicting.
>>>> 
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>  
>>>> Mike Bandli
>>>> IMCA #5765
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ______________________________________________
>>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>>>       
>>> If you don't send this to at least 8 people.....
>>> who gives a crap.
>>>     
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
 







From illaenus at wp.pl  Tue Aug 26 05:30:54 2008
From: illaenus at wp.pl (Tomasz Jakubowski)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:30:54 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD ZAG and Bassikounou
Message-ID: <48b3cd4e33609@wp.pl>

Hello!
I have got 2 specimens for sale or trade from my private collection:

Bassikounou &#8211;  2059g a beautiful, fresh specimen split in two 
during impact (amazing impact marks!).
http://picasaweb.google.com/illaenus/Bassikounou2059Grams

Zag -  2665 grams to sell. About 40% of very fresh fusion crust (one 
side have flow lines). I recognize on this piece 4 types of stone, 
include completely melted . Great visible breccioation.
>From geological point of view it is really interesting piece, showing 
clearly two system of fracture (visible slickensiedes and linear 
minerals on his surface).
Some photos are :
http://picasaweb.google.com/illaenus/Zag2665Grams

Should you have any questions, I can be reached at illaenus at gmail.com


Kind Regards
Tomasz Jakubowski
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From bristolia at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 26 13:36:48 2008
From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:36:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Downloadable Paper and web Page about Scandinavian
	Impact Structures
Message-ID: <734063.98932.qm@web36202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

There is online a paper about Scandinavian impact 
structures, which can be downloaded for free. It is:

Dypvik, H., J. Plado, C. Heinberg, E. Hakansson, L. J. 
Pesonen, B. Schmitz and S. Raiskila, 2008, Impact 
structures and events ? a Nordic perspective. Episodes. 
vol. 31, no. 1, pp. 107-114.

It can be downloaded from

http://www.episodes.org/backissues/33igc/15%20Impact%20%20structures-r.pdf

The link to this paper and table of contents for the issue
of Episodes containing it can be found at:

http://www.episodes.org/backissues/33igc/33igc.htm

Also, there is "Store runde strukturer i norsk natur" at:

http://www.geo.uio.no/groper/

Yours,

Paul H.



      

From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 26 13:47:23 2008
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:47:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] (AD) EBAY AUCTIONS
Message-ID: <616666.61936.qm@web57812.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Good afternoon list.I have 4 auctions up and running now and ending on thursday.I have a 1 kilo plus stone that is 80% contraction fusion crusted,I also have an 83 gram and a 244 gram whole stone unclassified piece.The 83 gram one is 95% crusted and the 244 gram piece is 100% crusted.And finally I have a 512 gram canyon diablo as well.View under illinois meteorites and at your liesure.

Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/


      

From m42protosun at aol.com  Tue Aug 26 14:04:15 2008
From: m42protosun at aol.com (m42protosun at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:04:15 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Now they are Campos, earlier they were Nantans
Message-ID: <8CAD5BD4993ED8C-AB0-137E@FWM-D05.sysops.aol.com>

Hi list, the same objects and more made from 'mekong river iron' were 
offered last year as Nantans

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZpearlyn75


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From vs.petrovich at gmail.com  Tue Aug 26 14:27:28 2008
From: vs.petrovich at gmail.com (Sergey Vasiliev)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:27:28 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: ebay auctions
Message-ID: <LCELIFLDMGKFPKOAIBKOEEEFEMAA.vs.petrovich@gmail.com>

Hello List,

I have a few nice auctions on ebay. Some of them will end in less than 24
hours.

 - Dar al Gani 400 (ALUN-A) - 1.110 g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item
=190245786257

 - Great crusted fragment of Yurtuk (AHOW) - 1.85g:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item
=200248372179

 - BIG!!! slice of Ozernoe (L6) - Slice 1170 g:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item
=200248372205


I also added four nice old Russian books to my ebay store:

 - Tunguska Meteorite, Krinov 1949:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190247158238

 - Principles of Meteoritics. Krinov. 1955:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Principles-of-Meteoritics-Krinov-1955_W0QQitemZ200249529
667

 - Meteorites. Krinov. 1948:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Meteorites-Krinov-1948_W0QQitemZ200249529691

 - Meteorites of the USSR. Zavaritskiy, Kvasha. 1952:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Meteorites-of-the-USSR-Zavaritskiy-Kvasha-1952_W0QQitemZ
190247158270

All items can be seen here:
http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/svassiliev

Thank you for your time!
Sergey

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U Dalnice 839,
Prague 5, 15500
Czech Republic
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http://www.sv-meteorites.com
http://impactites.net
http://systematic-mineralogy.com


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Tue Aug 26 16:27:51 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:27:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Phoenix Digs Deeper As Third Month Nears End
Message-ID: <200808262027.NAA28507@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/phoenix/release.php?ArticleID=1838

Digs Deeper As Third Month Nears End
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
August 25, 2008

TUCSON, Ariz. The next sample of Martian soil being grabbed for analysis
is coming from a trench about three times deeper than any other trench
NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander has dug.

On Tuesday, Aug. 26, the spacecraft will finish the 90 Martian days (or
"sols") originally planned as its primary mission and will continue into
a mission extension through September, as announced by NASA in July.
Phoenix landed on May 25.

"As we near what we originally expected to be the full length of the
mission, we are all thrilled with how well the mission is going," said
Phoenix Project Manger Barry Goldstein of NASA's Jet Propulsion
Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.

Phoenix's main task for Sol 90 is to scoop up a sample of soil from the
bottom of a trench called "Stone Soup," which is about 18 centimeters,
or 7 inches deep. On a later sol, the lander's robotic arm will sprinkle
soil from the sample into the third cell of the wet chemistry
laboratory. This deck-mounted laboratory, part of Phoenix's Microscopy,
Electrochemistry and Conductivity Analyzer (MECA), has previously used
two of its four soil-testing cells.

"In the first two cells we analyzed samples from the surface and the ice
interface, and the results look similar. Our objective for Cell 3 is to
use it as an exploratory cell to look at something that might be
different," said JPL's Michael Hecht, lead scientist for MECA. "The
appeal of Stone Soup is that this deep area may collect and concentrate
different kinds of materials."

Stone Soup lies on the borderline, or natural trough, between two of the
low, polygon-shaped hummocks that characterize the arctic plain where
Phoenix landed. The trench is toward the left, or west, end of the
robotic arm's work area on the north side of the lander.

When digging near a polygon center, Phoenix has hit a layer of icy soil,
as hard as concrete, about 5 centimeters, or 2 inches, beneath the
ground surface. In the Stone Soup trench at a polygon margin, the
digging has not yet hit an icy layer like that.

"The trough between polygons is sort of a trap where things can
accumulate," Hecht said. "Over a long timescale, there may even be
circulation of material sinking at the margins and rising at the center."

The science team had considered two finalist sites as sources for the
next sample to be delivered to the wet chemistry lab. This past weekend,
Stone Soup won out. "We had a shootout between Stone Soup and white
stuff in a trench called 'Upper Cupboard,'" Hecht said. "If we had been
able to confirm that the white material was a salt-rich deposit, we
would have analyzed that, but we were unable to confirm that with
various methods."

Both candidates for the sampling location offered a chance to gain more
information about salt distribution in the Phoenix work area, which
could be an indicator of whether or not liquid water has been present.
Salt would concentrate in places that may have been wet.

While proceeding toward delivery of a sample from Stone Soup into the
wet chemistry laboratory, Phoenix is also using its Thermal and
Evolved-Gas Analyzer to examine a soil sample collected last week from
another trench, at a depth intermediate between the surface and the
hard, icy layer.

The Phoenix mission is led by Peter Smith of The University of Arizona
with project management at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory and development
partnership at Lockheed Martin, located in Denver. International
contributions come from the Canadian Space Agency; the University of
Neuchatel; the universities of Copenhagen and Aarhus, Denmark; Max
Planck Institute, Germany; and the Finnish Meteorological Institute.


Media contacts: Guy Webster 818-354-6278
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
guy.webster at jpl.nasa.gov

Dwayne Brown 202-358-1726
NASA Headquarters, Washington
dwayne.c.brown at nasa.gov

Sara Hammond 520-626-1974
University of Arizona, Tucson
shammond at lpl.arizona.edu

2008-165


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Tue Aug 26 16:31:38 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:31:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA's Mars Rover Opportunity Climbing Out of
	Victoria Crater
Message-ID: <200808262031.NAA29813@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



Aug. 26, 2008

Dwayne Brown 
Headquarters, Washington 
202-358-1726 
dwayne.c.brown at nasa.gov 

Guy Webster 
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. 
818-354-6278 
guy.webster at jpl.nasa.gov 

RELEASE: 08-216

NASA'S MARS ROVER OPPORTUNITY CLIMBING OUT OF VICTORIA CRATER

PASADENA, Calif. -- NASA's Mars Exploration rover Opportunity is 
heading back out to the Red Planet's surrounding plains nearly a year 
after descending into a large Martian crater to examine exposed 
ancient rock layers. 

"We've done everything we entered Victoria Crater to do and more," 
said Bruce Banerdt, of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, 
Calif. Banerdt is project scientist for Opportunity and its rover 
twin, Spirit. 

Having completed its job in the crater, Opportunity is now preparing 
to inspect loose cobbles on the plains. Some of these rocks, 
approximately fist-size and larger, were thrown long distances when 
objects hitting Mars blasted craters deeper than Victoria into the 
Red Planet. Opportunity has driven past scores of cobbles but 
examined only a few. 

"Our experience tells us there's lots of diversity among the cobbles," 
said Scott McLennan of the State University of New York, Stony Brook. 
McLennan is a long-term planning leader for the rover science team. 
"We want to get a better characterization of them. A statistical 
sampling from examining more of them will be important for 
understanding the geology of the area." 

Opportunity entered Victoria Crater on Sept. 11, 2007, after a year of 
scouting from the rim. Once a drivable inner slope was identified, 
the rover used contact instruments on its robotic arm to inspect the 
composition and textures of accessible layers. 

The rover then drove close to the base of a cliff called "Cape Verde," 
part of the crater rim, to capture detailed images of a stack of 
layers 20 feet tall. The information Opportunity has returned about 
the layers in Victoria suggest the sediments were deposited by wind 
and then altered by groundwater. 

"The patterns broadly resemble what we saw at the smaller craters 
Opportunity explored earlier," McLennan said. "By looking deeper into 
the layering, we are looking farther back in time." The crater 
stretches approximately a half mile in diameter and is deeper than 
any other seen by Opportunity. 

Engineers are programming Opportunity to climb out of the crater at 
the same place it entered. A spike in electric current drawn by the 
rover's left front wheel last month quickly settled discussions about 
whether to keep trying to edge even closer to the base of Cape Verde 
on a steep slope. The spike resembled one seen on Spirit when that 
rover lost the use of its right front wheel in 2006. Opportunity's 
six wheels are all still working after 10 times more use than they 
were designed to perform, but the team took the spike in current as a 
reminder that one could quit. 

"If Opportunity were driving with only five wheels, like Spirit, it 
probably would never get out of Victoria Crater," said JPL's Bill 
Nelson, a rover mission manager. "We also know from experience with 
Spirit that if Opportunity were to lose the use of a wheel after it 
is out on the level ground, mobility should not be a problem." 

Opportunity now drives with its robotic arm out of the stowed 
position. A shoulder motor has degraded over the years to the point 
where the rover team chose not to risk having it stop working while 
the arm is stowed on a hook. If the motor were to stop working with 
the arm unstowed, the arm would remain usable. 

Spirit has resumed observations after surviving the harshest weeks of 
southern Martian winter. The rover won't move from its winter haven 
until the amount of solar energy available to it increases a few 
months from now. The rover has completed half of a full-circle color 
panorama from its sun-facing location on the north edge of a low 
plateau called "Home Plate." 

"Both rovers show signs of aging, but they are both still capable of 
exciting exploration and scientific discovery," said JPL's John 
Callas, project manager for Spirit and Opportunity. 

The team's plan for future months is to drive Spirit south of Home 
Plate to an area where the rover last year found some bright, 
silica-rich soil. This could be possible evidence of effects of hot 
water. 

For images and information about NASA's Opportunity and Spirit Mars 
rovers, visit: 

http://www.nasa.gov/rovers 

	
-end-



From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Tue Aug 26 16:37:32 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:37:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Dawn Journal - August 24, 2008
Message-ID: <200808262037.NAA00934@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://dawn.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/journal_8_24_08.asp

Dawn Journal
Dr. Marc Rayman
August 24, 2008

Dear Dawnivores,

The Dawn spacecraft continues to make good progress on its adventure to
unlock scientific secrets hidden deep in the main asteroid belt, between
Mars and Jupiter. Its path to that distant realm of the solar system is
now bringing it closer to the Sun, and thanks in part to all the
thrusting it has accomplished with its remarkable ion propulsion system,
it has recently achieved its lowest speed so far in the mission. To
understand this enigmatic behavior, read on!

As most of you who have read about or visited the solar system know, the
asteroid belt is much farther from the Sun than Earth is. Dawn passed
outside the orbit of Mars in June, but it
has not yet traveled far enough from the Sun to reach asteroid Vesta,
its first destination. Dwarf planet Ceres, Dawn's second target, resides
still farther in the depths of space. So readers with memories that
extend as far back as the previous paragraph may wonder why Dawn
apparently is backtracking, now approaching the Sun.

Despite the many innovations that make this project so fascinating, the
Dawn team has not yet discovered how to travel backwards in time. (If it
had, while writing this log, we would be able now to prevent the
misspelling that occurred while
writing the last log.) To see why Dawn seems to be reversing course,
both heading toward the Sun and traveling more slowly now than at the
beginning of its mission, we need to consider some of the principles
that govern space travel.

Your correspondent offered some comments on these concepts in a log for
a different interplanetary mission, Deep Space 1. If not
for some unexpected legal issues with certain species in spiral galaxies
capable of abstract thought, we would simply reprint that material here.
Instead, we shall consider some of the same ideas but with different words.

The goal of this text is to provide only a gist of some of the
fundamentals. In an act of selfless charity to help our hungry friends
the Numerivores of Q2237+0305, this log
will include more numbers than usual. It is not necessary to study them
in detail; some readers may find them helpful and others may feel free
to gloss over them. In any case, we can provide an absolute guarantee
that by the end, with even a casual comprehension of this material, the
interested reader would not find even the doctorate level examinations
from the prestigious Galactic Institute of Space Travel (known to many
as "the prestigious Galactic Institute of Space Travel") to be difficult.

The overwhelming majority of craft humans have sent into space have
remained in the vicinity of Earth, accompanying that planet on its
annual revolutions around the Sun. The satellites of Earth (including
the moon) remain bound to it by its gravity. As fast as they seem to
travel compared to residents of the planet, from a solar system
perspective, their incessant circling of Earth means their paths through
space are not very different from Earth's itself. Everything on the
surface and in Earth orbit travels around the Sun at an average of
around 30 kilometers/second (67,000 miles/hour), completing one full
solar orbit every year. To undertake its interplanetary exploration and
travel elsewhere in the solar system, Dawn needed to break free of
Earth's grasp, and that was accomplished 
by the rocket that carried it to space last year. Dawn and its erstwhile
home went their separate ways, and the Sun became the natural reference
for the spacecraft's position and speed on its travels in deep space.

Despite the enormous push the Delta II rocket delivered (with
affection!) to Dawn, the spacecraft still did not have nearly enough
energy to escape from the powerful Sun. So, being a responsible resident
of the solar system, Dawn remains faithfully in orbit around the Sun,
just as do Earth and the rest of the planets, asteroids, comets, and
other members of the Sun's entourage.

Whether it is for a spacecraft or moon orbiting a planet, a planet or
Dawn orbiting the Sun, the Sun orbiting the Milky Way galaxy, or the
Milky Way galaxy orbiting the Virgo supercluster of galaxies (home to a
sizeable fraction of our readership), any orbit is the perfect balance
between the inward tug of gravity and the inexorable tendency of objects
to travel in a straight path. If you attach a weight to string and swing
it around in a circle, the force you use to pull on the string mimics
the gravitational force the Sun exerts on the bodies that orbit it. The
effort you expend in keeping the weight circling serves constantly to
redirect its path; if you let go of the string, the weight's natural
motion would carry it away in a straight line (ignoring the effect of
Earth's gravity).

The force of gravity diminishes with distance, so the Sun's pull on a
nearby body is greater than on a more distant one. Therefore, to remain
in orbit, to balance the relentless tug of gravity, the closer object
must travel faster, fighting the stronger pull. The same effect applies
at Earth. Satellites that orbit very close (including, for example, the
International Space Station, less than 400 kilometers from the surface)
must streak around the planet at about 7.7 kilometers/second (more than
17,000 miles/hour) to keep from being pulled down. The moon, orbiting
1000 times farther above, needs only to travel at about 1.0
kilometers/second (less than 2300 miles/hour) to balance Earth's weaker
grip at that distance.

Notice that this means that for an astronaut to travel from the surface
of Earth to the International Space Station, it would be necessary to
accelerate to quite a high speed to rendezvous with the orbital
facility. But then once in orbit, to journey to the much more remote
moon, the astronaut's speed eventually would have to decline
dramatically. Perhaps speed tells an incomplete story in describing the
travels of a spacecraft, just as it does with another example of
countering gravity.

A person throwing a ball is not that different from a rocket launching a
satellite (although the former is usually somewhat less expensive and
often involves fewer toxic chemicals). Both represent struggles against
Earth's gravitational pull. To throw a ball higher, you have to give it
a harder push, imparting more energy to make it climb away from Earth,
but as soon as it leaves your hand, it begins slowing. For a harder
(faster) throw, it will take longer for Earth's gravity to stop the ball
and bring it back, so it will travel higher. But from the moment it
leaves your hand until it reaches the top of its arc, its speed
constantly dwindles as it gradually yields to Earth's tug. The
astronaut's trip from the space station to the moon would be
accomplished by starting with a high speed "throw" from the low starting
orbit, and then slowing down until reaching the moon.

The rocket that launched Dawn threw it hard enough to escape from Earth,
sending it well beyond the International Space Station and the moon.
Indeed, the spacecraft is now more than 1 million times farther away
than the station. Dawn's maximum speed relative to Earth on launch day
was so high that Earth could not pull it back. As mentioned in an
earlier log, Dawn was propelled to 11.46
kilometers per second (25,600 miles per hour), well in excess of the
space station's orbital speed given 3 paragraphs above. But it remains
under the Sun's control.

If the spacecraft had never operated its ion propulsion system, it would
have coasted away from the Sun (even while Earth continued circling the
Sun on its own), slowing down the entire time, reaching the top of its
interplanetary arc on July 2, 2008. Then, at almost 242 million
kilometers (150 million miles) from the Sun, as it succumbed to the
massive star's pull, it would have begun its inward fall.

Many solar system residents find measuring distances in millions of
kilometers (or miles) to be inconvenient, so it is common to use the
"astronomical unit" (AU). The average
distance between Earth and the Sun, nearly 150 million kilometers (93
million miles) is defined to be 1 AU. So Dawn would have reached almost
1.62 AU from the Sun without thrusting.

After that, the probe would not have fallen all the way back to the Sun,
ending in a useless blaze. Because it departed from Earth, which was
already orbiting the Sun, and not from a stationary platform, it began
with energy adequate to keep it at Earth's orbit. Upon allowing the Sun
to pull it back, it would come only to about that same orbit, reaching a
minimum distance of 1.00 AU from the Sun on April 1, 2009. So Dawn would
have been in an elliptical solar orbit, ranging from 1.00 AU to 1.62 AU.
It would have traveled faster and faster as it swooped to its smallest
distance and then slowed down again as it sailed back out to the largest
distance, much like a person on a swing, slowing near the top, speeding
through the lowest point, and then repeating that pattern. The change in
speed with distance is an essential characteristic of all orbits.

Now think again of the ball you throw. If it had a tiny propulsion
system to help it along its way, that extra boost would propel it
higher, supplementing the energy you imparted to it when it left your
hand. Unlike a powerful rocket that accelerates as it ascends, if the
additional thrust were low, it might not be able to completely counter
the slowing from Earth's gravity, but it might help reach a higher
altitude before beginning its fall.

As Dawn's famously efficient ion propulsion system has given it a
delicate but steady push on its flight away from the Sun, the spacecraft
has been able to resist the Sun's incessant pull longer. Instead of
turning back in early July, Dawn flew outward until August 8. Even with
all the thrusting, it was constantly slowing down, and when the Sun's
gravity overwhelmed it, it began its inward flight. But by then the ion
thrusting had changed the shape of its elliptical orbit so it would not
fall back as far as Earth's orbital distance. If it undertook no more
thrusting after August 8, it would come back only to 1.16 AU from the
Sun, reaching that distance on June 14, 2009. As we will see in future
logs, it will not have the opportunity to drop even that close to the
Sun however, because ion propulsion continues modifying its orbit. In
addition, on approximately February 18, 2009 (the exact date and time
depend on the progress of future thrusting), the probe will pass by
Mars, and the gravitational deflection will cause still more changes to
its orbit around the Sun, which eventually will take it to the asteroid
belt.

On September 27, 2007, some 2 minutes after it had separated from its
rocket, Dawn reached its highest speed relative to the Sun for the
entire mission. At that time, it was traveling at about 38.95
kilometers/second (87,130 miles/hour). Earth (and its residents,
including this writer) were moving around the Sun at the more leisurely
pace of 29.70 kilometers/second (66,440 miles/hour).

So what has been the effect of Dawn's thrusting since then? By August 8
it had expended about 55.4 kilograms (122 pounds) of xenon propellant,
some for tests during the initial checkout phase of the mission and most
with the specific intent of altering its orbit around the Sun. If this
were solely for the purpose of accelerating (as it is usually described,
in these logs and elsewhere) without the complex patterns involved in
orbital dances, the effect would have been to increase Dawn's speed by
1.38 kilometers/second (3090 miles/hour). But because of the way forces
and velocities work in space travel, in pushing Dawn away from the Sun,
allowing it to travel "higher" before the Sun pulled it back, the ion
propulsion system helped Dawn continue away from the Sun until, on
August 8, it was more than 1.68 AU from the omphalos of the solar
system. By then, its speed had fallen to 20.77 kilometers/second (46,460
miles/hour). At the same moment Dawn was orbiting the Sun at that rate,
distant Earth was racing in its orbit at 29.38 kilometers/second (65,710
miles/hour).

When Dawn began coming back in toward the Sun, it was in a different
part of the solar system from where it would have been had it never
applied its ion propulsion system to so patiently yet persistently
change the orbit the Delta rocket left it in. In the absence of any ion
thrusting, the spacecraft would have been 0.45 AU (68 million kilometers
or 42 million miles) away from its actual location on August 8.

Dawn will rendezvous with Vesta in about 3 years. To match that
asteroid's orbit around the Sun, our robotic explorer will have to
continue tuning its orbital parameters so that it will be almost 2.3 AU
from the Sun while traveling at about 20 kilometers/second (45,000
miles/hour), farther and slower than its current orbit or that of its
quondam planetary domicile.

Achieving the required speed and distance alone is not enough to ensure
Dawn can slip into orbit around Vesta, but we will consider other
aspects of this problem in a future log. In the meantime, we can think
of the general problem of flying elsewhere in space as similar to
climbing a hill. For terrestrial hikers, the rewards of ascent come only
after doing the work of pushing against Earth's gravity to reach a
higher elevation. Similarly, Dawn is climbing a solar system hill with
the Sun at the bottom. It started from Earth, at 1 AU in elevation; and
its first rewards await it higher up that hill at 2.3 AU, where Vesta,
traveling at only about two thirds of Earth's speed, keeps its records
of the dawn of the solar system. Ceres is still higher up the hill,
moving even more slowly to balance the still weaker pull of the Sun.

If this were only a climb, it would be easy to stop at the correct spot
on the solar system hill. This simple analogy fails us here though,
because everything is in orbital motion. With a big enough rocket, or
gravitational boosts, it would not be hard to throw Dawn hard enough
that it would fly out to Vesta or beyond, and some other spacecraft have
coasted past that distance from the Sun. But to enter orbit, Dawn must
precisely match Vesta's path around the Sun, joining it for a portion of
the asteroid's regular 3.6-year circuit around the Sun, just as Earth's
natural and human-made satellites stay with it throughout its 1-year
orbit. That is part of the reason the spacecraft needs ion propulsion.
The ion propulsion system allows Dawn not only to carry its scientific
instruments up that hill but also to "stop" on the slope, neither
falling back toward the Sun nor coasting by the asteroid. When a
subsequent log addresses what more is required than speed and distance,
we will see why this is more difficult than it may appear. (And as we
surely will have a link from that log to this one, on behalf of all
present readers, we send greetings from the past to you future readers.)
We are confident that in meeting this great challenge, should Dawn
remain healthy, it will be a shoo-in in the next solar system Olympics,
aiming not for a bronze medal, nor for one of silver or gold but rather
for the most highly coveted: the xenon medal.

We promised near the beginning that for those who completed this arduous
log (perhaps a challenge even greater than Dawn's interplanetary
journey), the examinations at the prestigious Galactic Institute of
Space Travel would not prove difficult. The reason is simple: there is
no such organization; we made it up. Nevertheless, following Dawn's long
and ambitious journey does not require mastery of the concepts touched
upon here. All that really is needed is the desire to learn more about
the cosmos, to share in one of humankind's bold adventures to explore
the unknown as we set our sights on extraordinarily distant goals and
aspire to something well beyond the confines of our humble home in the
universe.

Dawn is 352 million kilometers (219 million miles) from Earth, or 955
times as far as the moon and 2.33 times as far as the Sun. Radio
signals, traveling at the universal limit of the speed of light, take 39
minutes to make the round trip.



From eric at meteoritewatch.com  Tue Aug 26 16:53:02 2008
From: eric at meteoritewatch.com (Eric Wichman)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:53:02 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Offer to trade! Or Cash For All
In-Reply-To: <mailman.40.1219766519.56592.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
References: <mailman.40.1219766519.56592.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <48B46D2E.3060407@meteoritewatch.com>

Hi All,

This is a great deal on this meteorite!

I have 3 pieces of Bassikounou H5 (about 343g) I'm trading. $2.39/g 
Lowest price for trade. Looking for anything of "equal value". Not 
looking to trade up or down. Even steven trade.

Or Take all for CASH at $2.25/g!

Right now the pieces are at $3.50/g on ebay here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/181-1g-BASSIKOUNOU-CHONDRITE-METEORITE-SLICE-FREE-SHIP_W0QQitemZ260276350884
http://cgi.ebay.com/81-1g-BASSIKOUNOU-CHONDRITE-METEORITE-SLICE-FREE-SHIP_W0QQitemZ260276351515
http://cgi.ebay.com/81-3g-BASSIKOUNOU-CHONDRITE-METEORITE-SLICE-FREE-SHIP_W0QQitemZ250284058470

Contact me offlist: eric at meteoritesusa.com

Thanks,
Eric
www.meteoritesusa.com
www.meteoritewatch.com



From bristolia at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 26 17:29:40 2008
From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:29:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Acraman Corrections and Bunyeroos
Message-ID: <517247.78316.qm@web36206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Sterling K. Webb wrote:

?Don't ask me what a Bunyeroo is... Maybe a relative of
the Bunyip??

Your guess is as good as mine. :-) :-)

Whatever a Bunyeroo might be, there is a gorge and creek 
in the Flinders Ranges of South Australia named after it.

A brief description of the geology, including the Acraman 
impact bed exposed in Bunyeroo George can be found in:

Webb, G. 2005.   The geology of Bunyeroo, Brachina, and 
Parachilna Gorges. In: (eds.) Aikman, A., Lilly, K., C?l?rier, 
J., Kov?cs, I., and Estermann, G., An excursion guide to the 
Flinders Ranges, South Australia, Journal of the Virtual 
Explorer, Electronic Edition, ISSN 1441-8142, Volume 20, 
Paper 2.

http://virtualexplorer.com.au/journal/2005/20/webb/

Tsunamis and super-hurricanes after the Acraman
asteroid impact

http://www.pir.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0011/11108/mj39_tsunamis_acraman.pdf

Flinders Ranges National Park Bunyeroo and Wilcolo Creeks Hike

http://www.environment.sa.gov.au/parks/pdfs/BUNYEROO_WILCOLO_HIKE.PDF

Yours,

Paul H.


      

From jnbran at verizon.net  Tue Aug 26 19:04:58 2008
From: jnbran at verizon.net (JASON PHILLIPS)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:04:58 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Trade meteorites for gold, silver, diamonds
In-Reply-To: <20080825200142.D9F6910585@mailwash5.pair.com>
References: <20080825200142.D9F6910585@mailwash5.pair.com>
Message-ID: <56DCFFC6EF264C44B7BBA87DF41549E5@AcerPC>

Hello Rockhounds,
I am a natural history enthusiast and collect gems, fossils, but primarily 
only meteorites.  I would love to have a larger gold nugget (or other gold 
pieces), silver, and rough diamond for my personal collection.  If you have 
any interest in this please let me know and we can discuss it.

Have a great day,
Jason
Rocks from Heaven
www.rocksfromheaven.com 



From meteoritefinder at gmail.com  Tue Aug 26 20:20:39 2008
From: meteoritefinder at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:20:39 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] More new items on the web site. /ad/
Message-ID: <468bf6050808261720y1219c013jd26419a0138d0c00@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all I have added a really nice Gibeon individual, a large Franconia
found by Jack Schrader a very stable full slice of the Brenham
pallasite and a large SAU 001 piece to the web site have a look here.
Thanks
http://www.meteoritefinder.com/whats-new-sale.htm

-- 
Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401
www.meteoritefinder.com
 928-753-6825

From bobl at peaktopeak.com  Tue Aug 26 21:02:15 2008
From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:02:15 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Colorado meteorite statistics and the COMETS
	club
In-Reply-To: <741C15BD1DB94B32A55CBA32DE09FE32@platinum>
Message-ID: <20080827010250.3EBF31054F@mailwash5.pair.com>

Thanks Sean and Anita!  We've had a link to your website for a couple
months.  Very nice site, Sean!!!!

All, I had a typo on the color chart that shows the Colorado falls/finds by
decade, but thanks to Anne Black (who found the typo), it is fixed now.  (In
case you are wondering, I switched the words "Fall" and "Find" in the
legend.)  Oops!  :-)

Regards, 

Bob Loeffler
COMETS
http://www.peaktopeak.com/comets/


-----Original Message-----
From: Sean T. Murray [mailto:stm at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 11:58 AM
To: Westlake, Anita D; Bob Loeffler
Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Colorado meteorite statistics and the COMETS
club

Bob - added a link on our resources page to your COMETS site.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Westlake, Anita D" <libawc at emory.edu>
To: "Bob Loeffler" <bobl at peaktopeak.com>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Colorado meteorite statistics and the COMETS 
club


> Hi Bob:
>  Please feel free to visit our website: 
> http//www.meteoriteassociationofgeorgia.org
> Our web master has done a great job with the site (especially with the 
> tektite pages since that's his first love.) He has also listed lots of 
> information on Georgia meteorites which may help you design your pages.
>  We'd also like to share links with you.
>
> Anita Westlake, President
> Meteorite Assn. of Georgia
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com 
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Bob 
> Loeffler
> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 1:31 PM
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Cc: COMeteoriteClub at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Colorado meteorite statistics and the COMETS 
> club
>
> Hi all,
>
> I had been thinking about Colorado meteorites (since I live in Colorado 
> and
> am a member of the COMETS club), like "How heavy is the heaviest meteorite
> in Colorado?" and "How many falls are there in Colorado?" and "How many 
> fell
> or were found in each decade?", so I updated the COMETS website last night
> with a fun "statistics" page.
> http://www.peaktopeak.com/comets/comets_stats.htm  All of the stats were
> derived from data from the Meteorical Bulletin Database on the web. 
> Please
> check it out when you have time.  There's even a link to a nice color 
> chart.
> :-)
>
> I can add more stats if you let me know what else you want to know (and if

> I
> can find the data to create the stats), but I have to admit that I don't
> have a lot of time to do research and I'm not a statistician.  :-)  If
> anyone else has a similar website with information like this for other
> states, regions or countries, I would love to know about it so I can see
> what else they have and then do the same for Colorado.
>
> In case you didn't know, COMETS is short for COlorado METeorite Society,
> which is a club of meteorite enthusiasts in Colorado and abroad.  The
> website is still a "work in progress" and we'll post pictures from the
> upcoming Auction (as Anne announced in her other e-mails) and also the 
> Party
> the following night.  If anyone has any COMETS-related or Colorado
> meteorites-related material that they would like to share with everyone,
> please send it to me and I'll put it on the website.
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> Bob Loeffler
> COMETS
> http://www.peaktopeak.com/comets/
>
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From bobadebt at ec.rr.com  Tue Aug 26 21:51:01 2008
From: bobadebt at ec.rr.com (David & Kitt Deyarmin)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:51:01 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Question about Carbonaceous Chondrites
Message-ID: <2C507BE5A06149368318161C49A64015@David>

Are there any reasonably priced Carbonaceous Chondrites available in a size 
large enough to produce a 50mm sphere?

If not, has there ever been one large enough or are CCs normally smallish in 
size?

Thanks 



From bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 26 22:21:35 2008
From: bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com (mckinney trammell)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:21:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] brenham stabilty
Message-ID: <754361.60887.qm@web53202.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

what is the stabilty of this? there is a slice that i really want. but i bought a brahin slice once that ,later , did more contortion than the chinese chick did  on the alegria tour when i worked 4 cirque. 


      

From geoking at notkin.net  Tue Aug 26 22:43:50 2008
From: geoking at notkin.net (Notkin)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:43:50 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] New Monthly Meteorite Column on Geology.com
Message-ID: <4823CB8D-C1C6-4F61-B9A5-C1E91657E7D7@notkin.net>

Dear Friends and Listees:

Greetings from sunny Tucson, AZ.

I am delighted to announce a new online monthly meteorite column  
entitled "Meteorwritings." It will be presented exclusively on Dr.  
Hobart King's Geology.com -- one of the world's top science websites.  
The first installment, "What are Meteorites?" went live this evening.  
The column is aimed at a broad audience, so you meteorite experts will  
already be familiar with the topics and concepts covered, particularly  
in the early installments. As the column progresses, we will look at  
more advanced topics, and we do have a few treats in store.

Each month the column will feature new, original photography by my  
design and photography assistant, Leigh Anne DelRay, and myself. I  
hope you'll find the images, and the column itself, to be enjoyable.

"Meteorwritings" is currently featured on the front page of the site:  www.geology.com

And its home page lives here:  http://www.geology.com/meteorites/

As the months go by we will compile an archive of past columns for  
easy viewing.

I'd like to thank Dr. King for this marvelous opportunity to reach out  
to a wider audience, and also my staff: Timothy Arbon who illustrated  
our beautiful banner, and Leigh Anne DelRay for her author's portrait.  
Oh yes, and Tim came up with the column title too. Clever lad that he  
is!  : )

Comments and feedback much appreciated as always, and thanks for  
reading.


Watch the skies!

Geoff N.
Aerolite Meteorites of Tucson
www.aerolite.org

From meteoritemall at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 26 23:18:58 2008
From: meteoritemall at yahoo.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:18:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] New Monthly Meteorite Column on Geology.com
In-Reply-To: <4823CB8D-C1C6-4F61-B9A5-C1E91657E7D7@notkin.net>
Message-ID: <265751.22629.qm@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

As usual from Geoff, a great column surrounded by spectacular photos! 

Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
http://www.mr-meteorite.com
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v


--- On Tue, 8/26/08, Notkin <geoking at notkin.net> wrote:

> From: Notkin <geoking at notkin.net>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] New Monthly Meteorite Column on Geology.com
> To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 7:43 PM
> Dear Friends and Listees:
> 
> Greetings from sunny Tucson, AZ.
> 
> I am delighted to announce a new online monthly meteorite
> column  
> entitled "Meteorwritings." It will be presented
> exclusively on Dr.  
> Hobart King's Geology.com -- one of the world's top
> science websites.  
> The first installment, "What are Meteorites?"
> went live this evening.  
> The column is aimed at a broad audience, so you meteorite
> experts will  
> already be familiar with the topics and concepts covered,
> particularly  
> in the early installments. As the column progresses, we
> will look at  
> more advanced topics, and we do have a few treats in store.
> 
> Each month the column will feature new, original
> photography by my  
> design and photography assistant, Leigh Anne DelRay, and
> myself. I  
> hope you'll find the images, and the column itself, to
> be enjoyable.
> 
> "Meteorwritings" is currently featured on the
> front page of the site:  www.geology.com
> 
> And its home page lives here: 
> http://www.geology.com/meteorites/
> 
> As the months go by we will compile an archive of past
> columns for  
> easy viewing.
> 
> I'd like to thank Dr. King for this marvelous
> opportunity to reach out  
> to a wider audience, and also my staff: Timothy Arbon who
> illustrated  
> our beautiful banner, and Leigh Anne DelRay for her
> author's portrait.  
> Oh yes, and Tim came up with the column title too. Clever
> lad that he  
> is!  : )
> 
> Comments and feedback much appreciated as always, and
> thanks for  
> reading.
> 
> 
> Watch the skies!
> 
> Geoff N.
> Aerolite Meteorites of Tucson
> www.aerolite.org
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list


      

From jbaxter112 at pol.net  Wed Aug 27 00:29:17 2008
From: jbaxter112 at pol.net (jbaxter112 at pol.net)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 00:29:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] New Monthly Meteorite Column on Geology.com
In-Reply-To: <4823CB8D-C1C6-4F61-B9A5-C1E91657E7D7@notkin.net>
References: <4823CB8D-C1C6-4F61-B9A5-C1E91657E7D7@notkin.net>
Message-ID: <40330.10.250.10.1.1219811357.squirrel@webmail.medscape.com>

Hi Geoff,

This is a great way to expand interest in meteorites. People interested in
geology are a natural audience to be fascinated by meteorites. I was only
interested in minerals until someone let me hold a Sikhote-Alin. I was
hooked instantly. I suspect (and hope) your great photos and articles will
have a similar effect on many of those geology enthusiasts out there.

Best Wishes,
Jim Baxter

> Dear Friends and Listees:
>
> Greetings from sunny Tucson, AZ.
>
> I am delighted to announce a new online monthly meteorite column
> entitled "Meteorwritings." It will be presented exclusively on Dr.
> Hobart King's Geology.com -- one of the world's top science websites.
> The first installment, "What are Meteorites?" went live this evening.
> The column is aimed at a broad audience, so you meteorite experts will
> already be familiar with the topics and concepts covered, particularly
> in the early installments. As the column progresses, we will look at
> more advanced topics, and we do have a few treats in store.
>
> Each month the column will feature new, original photography by my
> design and photography assistant, Leigh Anne DelRay, and myself. I
> hope you'll find the images, and the column itself, to be enjoyable.
>
> "Meteorwritings" is currently featured on the front page of the site:
> www.geology.com
>
> And its home page lives here:  http://www.geology.com/meteorites/
>
> As the months go by we will compile an archive of past columns for
> easy viewing.
>
> I'd like to thank Dr. King for this marvelous opportunity to reach out
> to a wider audience, and also my staff: Timothy Arbon who illustrated
> our beautiful banner, and Leigh Anne DelRay for her author's portrait.
> Oh yes, and Tim came up with the column title too. Clever lad that he
> is!  : )
>
> Comments and feedback much appreciated as always, and thanks for
> reading.
>
>
> Watch the skies!
>
> Geoff N.
> Aerolite Meteorites of Tucson
> www.aerolite.org
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list




From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Wed Aug 27 01:23:33 2008
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:23:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 27,
	2008
Message-ID: <25816841.2163501219814613929.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>


http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_27_2008.html


From meteoritefinder at gmail.com  Wed Aug 27 01:39:31 2008
From: meteoritefinder at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:39:31 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] New Monthly Meteorite Column on Geology.com
In-Reply-To: <4823CB8D-C1C6-4F61-B9A5-C1E91657E7D7@notkin.net>
References: <4823CB8D-C1C6-4F61-B9A5-C1E91657E7D7@notkin.net>
Message-ID: <468bf6050808262239n13be256dodd6dcae2ca903b0b@mail.gmail.com>

Wow nice Seymchan!

On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 7:43 PM, Notkin <geoking at notkin.net> wrote:
> Dear Friends and Listees:
>
> Greetings from sunny Tucson, AZ.
>
> I am delighted to announce a new online monthly meteorite column entitled
> "Meteorwritings." It will be presented exclusively on Dr. Hobart King's
> Geology.com -- one of the world's top science websites. The first
> installment, "What are Meteorites?" went live this evening. The column is
> aimed at a broad audience, so you meteorite experts will already be familiar
> with the topics and concepts covered, particularly in the early
> installments. As the column progresses, we will look at more advanced
> topics, and we do have a few treats in store.
>
> Each month the column will feature new, original photography by my design
> and photography assistant, Leigh Anne DelRay, and myself. I hope you'll find
> the images, and the column itself, to be enjoyable.
>
> "Meteorwritings" is currently featured on the front page of the site:
>  www.geology.com
>
> And its home page lives here:  http://www.geology.com/meteorites/
>
> As the months go by we will compile an archive of past columns for easy
> viewing.
>
> I'd like to thank Dr. King for this marvelous opportunity to reach out to a
> wider audience, and also my staff: Timothy Arbon who illustrated our
> beautiful banner, and Leigh Anne DelRay for her author's portrait. Oh yes,
> and Tim came up with the column title too. Clever lad that he is!  : )
>
> Comments and feedback much appreciated as always, and thanks for reading.
>
>
> Watch the skies!
>
> Geoff N.
> Aerolite Meteorites of Tucson
> www.aerolite.org
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>



-- 
Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401
www.meteoritefinder.com
 928-753-6825

From almitt at kconline.com  Wed Aug 27 04:18:26 2008
From: almitt at kconline.com (ALMitt)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 04:18:26 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] New Monthly Meteorite Column on Geology.com
In-Reply-To: <4823CB8D-C1C6-4F61-B9A5-C1E91657E7D7@notkin.net>
References: <4823CB8D-C1C6-4F61-B9A5-C1E91657E7D7@notkin.net>
Message-ID: <48B50DD2.90600@kconline.com>

Hi Geoff and all,

Very nicely done! Great photos, great writing and very well put. For the 
first installment, I think you covered some very important items that 
people who start out in our field need to know. Good luck on this column 
and I look forward to future installments! My best!

--AL Mitterling

Notkin wrote:

> Dear Friends and Listees:
>
> Greetings from sunny Tucson, AZ.
>
> I am delighted to announce a new online monthly meteorite column 
> entitled "Meteorwritings." It will be presented exclusively on Dr. 
> Hobart King's Geology.com -- one of the world's top science websites. 
> The first installment, "What are Meteorites?" went live this evening. 
> The column is aimed at a broad audience, so you meteorite experts will 
> already be familiar with the topics and concepts covered, particularly 
> in the early installments. As the column progresses, we will look at 
> more advanced topics, and we do have a few treats in store.
>
> Each month the column will feature new, original photography by my 
> design and photography assistant, Leigh Anne DelRay, and myself. I 
> hope you'll find the images, and the column itself, to be enjoyable.
>
> "Meteorwritings" is currently featured on the front page of the site: 
> www.geology.com
>
> And its home page lives here: http://www.geology.com/meteorites/
>
> As the months go by we will compile an archive of past columns for 
> easy viewing.
>
> I'd like to thank Dr. King for this marvelous opportunity to reach out 
> to a wider audience, and also my staff: Timothy Arbon who illustrated 
> our beautiful banner, and Leigh Anne DelRay for her author's portrait. 
> Oh yes, and Tim came up with the column title too. Clever lad that he 
> is! : )
>
> Comments and feedback much appreciated as always, and thanks for reading.
>
>
> Watch the skies!
>
> Geoff N.


From info at tektiteinc.com  Wed Aug 27 05:58:49 2008
From: info at tektiteinc.com (info at tektiteinc.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 04:58:49 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD Nice Rizalites ending soon on eBay
	TektiteInc.com
Message-ID: <41038.127.0.0.1.1219831129.squirrel@srv08.ezyreg.com>

Hi All,

Got some nice pieces ending soon on FleaBay. Please have a looksie. Thanks.

Cheers,
Desmond Leong
IMCA #2254
http://www.TektiteInc.com
http://stores.ebay.com/Tektite-Inc
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZtektiteinc-dot-com


From meteorites at optushome.com.au  Wed Aug 27 06:50:45 2008
From: meteorites at optushome.com.au (Norbert & Heike Kammel)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:50:45 +1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: Looking for Canyon Diablo Babies 3-5g
Message-ID: <48B53185.8010100@optushome.com.au>

Hello Folks,

I am looking for about 1/2 kg of Canyon Diablo Babies @ 3-5g.
Anyone who can supply me with some please contact me off list.

My appologies for the spam.

Best regards from Down-Under,

Norbert Kammel
IMCA # 3420
www.rocksonfire.com

From chinaren76 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 27 09:41:59 2008
From: chinaren76 at yahoo.com (Ma Lan)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 06:41:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Help!
Message-ID: <718446.75386.qm@web52712.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hello members,

Can anybody access and download the following paper with PDF format? I need it urgently.

--------
Paper title:
Microstructure and characteristics of mechanically activated W-Cu powder, 

Authors:
Chengchang Jia, Zhigang Li, Yuntao He, Yanlei Ping and Zizhang Xie

Journal title: 
China Particuology

Year/Volume/Page: 
2003; 1; 172.
--------

If you can get it easily, plz send it to me off-list. Many many thanks!

Kind regards,
Ma Lan
Beijing China

P.S. Sorry about that i posted it here. I know this paper is not related to meteorites, but i need it urgently----Now. 


      

From valparint at aol.com  Wed Aug 27 12:23:48 2008
From: valparint at aol.com (valparint at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:23:48 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] New Monthly Meteorite Column on Geology.com
Message-ID: <F0PBX610sca0ZkfzDsk00000142@f0pbx61.vpoffsiteweb.local>

Great stuff, Geoff.

Paul Swartz 


From Metorman46 at aol.com  Wed Aug 27 14:59:03 2008
From: Metorman46 at aol.com (Metorman46 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:59:03 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] New Monthly Meteorite Column on Geology.com
Message-ID: <c80.34fd27f5.35e6fdf7@aol.com>

Hello Geoff and list;
 
  This is a great site,i love it,and your work Geoff, is exceptional  ,great 
job by all your crew.Good luck and keep all the goodies coming.
 
Best Regards;Herman Archer IMCA # 2770



**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel 
deal here.      
(http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

From arnaudmignan at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 27 15:45:33 2008
From: arnaudmignan at hotmail.com (Arnaud Mignan)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:45:33 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Viedma full slice of 132g
Message-ID: <BAY115-W23E767C191A763DEBB2877C0610@phx.gbl>


Hello,

I have a 132g full slice of Viedma from my collection for sale or trade. Please contact me off the list if interested.

Kind regards,
Arnaud

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From meteoriteplaya at gmail.com  Wed Aug 27 18:50:47 2008
From: meteoriteplaya at gmail.com (Mike Jensen)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:50:47 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad 20% off Website & Ebay stores. Sale
Message-ID: <6f9da8300808271550q4e3adeefg9fe2b05ebd7c0abd@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All
I am trying to raise some cash to pay off some old debts and help
raise a little cash before the Denver show. So I have put several
meteorites on sale in my store at 20% off. Hurry this only lasts 48
hours.

http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/meteorfinder?_nkw=meteorites&_fromfsb=0&_trksid=m270.l1313

I will also offer all meteorites on my website for 20% off except
Albin, Allende and B100-107.

Mike


Mike Jensen Meteorites
16730 E Ada PL
Aurora, CO 80017-3137
USA
720-949-6220
IMCA 4264
website: www.jensenmeteorites.com

From MeteorHntr at aol.com  Wed Aug 27 23:57:12 2008
From: MeteorHntr at aol.com (MeteorHntr at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:57:12 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Make offer Ebay
Message-ID: <d16.344c4cb9.35e77c18@aol.com>

Hey Guys,

I have a couple of items on  Ebay, with "Make and Offer" option attached.

If there is something you  like, make me an offer.  If it is too crazy, I 
might decline it.  But  if it is reasonable, or close to reasonable...you never 
know...

Use this  following link, as it let's me get a 75% refund from Ebay's way too 
high fees as  it goes.  Free shipping if you confirm that you use the 
following  link:

http://stores.ebay.com/Steve-Arnold-Meteorites?refid=store   

Steve Arnold #1  




**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel 
deal here.      
(http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Thu Aug 28 04:41:33 2008
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 01:41:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 28,
	2008
Message-ID: <23114132.2324471219912893431.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_28_2008.html 



From mlblood at cox.net  Thu Aug 28 05:04:41 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 02:04:41 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Oz website back up (ad)
In-Reply-To: <23114132.2324471219912893431.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>
Message-ID: <C4DBB839.197B9%mlblood@cox.net>

Hi All,
        The Dog from Oz - Bob Walker, would like me to let you all
Know his web site is back up - you can see it at:

 http://www.qmig.org

        While I am at it, I encourage you to see the new 10+g
Super fresh, Fusion Crusted Zunhua frag I have at the bottom
of the page at:

http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Hammers.html

        And those interested, I just sold half the Rumuruti
Beautiful, fresh full slices which can be seen at:

http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/catalog.htm

        Under "Rumurutite"

        Best wishes, Michael









From meteorhound at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 28 10:23:08 2008
From: meteorhound at yahoo.com (Patricia Harris)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:23:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars - micro thin section wanted
Message-ID: <991717.42937.qm@web59603.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

I'm posting a message for Tim Heitz, he still cannot post messages to the list.

Hello List,

I'm looking for a Mars thin section NWA-2975/2986/4766/4783/4857/or 4880
for teaching purposes.  I want to put this under a microscope at the St. Louis Science Center for the public to view.

Thanks,
Tim Heitz


      


From meteoriteshow at free.fr  Thu Aug 28 09:24:32 2008
From: meteoriteshow at free.fr (Meteoriteshow)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:24:32 -0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] follow up on Ziz vs. new iron RFSPOD August 14
References: <20080823173131.B9650105AA@mailwash5.pair.com><57D2A38BCBBB0F49B8DAD7B22662430C0141994C91D0@EXCHANGE13.Enterprise.emory.net>
	<00b601c90600$642569f0$6401a8c0@HOME>
Message-ID: <004401c90911$6a88bd10$1101a8c0@T42>

Dear Svend,

I have read the report of EMTT and i agree with you. I know EMTT and 
Emmanuel Dransart, who performed the analyses, the purpose being just to 
bring "an opinion on the metallic structure of a meteorite's fragment".
Therefore, a polished and etched surface was observed with a binocular, with 
a picture showing the surface that was observed.
The picture displays "a kamacite grain with Neumann lines" and some 
"silicated phases, rich in pyroxene and olivine".
The conclusion of Emmanuel Dransart is that it is an Og Octahedrite, such as 
Ziz that was also studied at the same lab (EMTT). And as you said, Svend, 
pairing with Ziz is not claimed, but as far as the 1st examination can tell, 
their grain size are similar and it is the same type.

All the best,

Frederic Beroud
www.meteoriteshow.com
IMCA #2491

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dr. Svend Buhl" <info at niger-meteorite-recon.de>
To: "Meteorite Mailing List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 3:45 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] follow up on Ziz vs. new iron RFSPOD August 14


> to all interested,
>
> The Hmanis asked me to forward a follow up on their new irons including a 
> 34kg specimen they had displayed at this year's Enisheim/France meteorite 
> fair. One of the new finds acquired from another dealer was kindly posted 
> by Michael Johnson as Rocks from Space Picture of the Day on August 14.
>
> M. Hmani informed me that he had meanwhile been issued a "certificate" by 
> the Etudes Metallurgiques et de Traitment Thermique (EMTT) which arrives 
> to the conclusion that "grain size and structure of the new material is 
> identical with Ziz (NWA 854)". Mr. Hmani was so kind to forward me the 
> certificate on my request and allowed me to upload the paper on my 
> website: http://www.meteorite-recon.com/en/Meteoritensammlung.htm (see 
> Inventory # B-0243)
>
> To my understanding the paper states that the questioned iron is an og 
> octehedrite such as Ziz. According to the certificate a microscopic 
> analysis of an etched surface has been performed but no element mapping or 
> neutron activation scan. I assume, the certificate does not intend to 
> claim a pairing. Please note that this is my personal opinion.
>
> cheers
>
> Svend
>
> www.meteorite-recon.com
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> 


From cynapse at charter.net  Thu Aug 28 12:46:06 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:46:06 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rosetta stoned
In-Reply-To: <d16.344c4cb9.35e77c18@aol.com>
References: <d16.344c4cb9.35e77c18@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8fldb4ljpq5kimehuu02ufstn39ak0tpai@4ax.com>

http://pr-usa.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=128560&Itemid=34

Rosetta spacecraft meets asteroid Steins  	  

ESA PR 35-2008. ESA?s Rosetta spacecraft will make a historic encounter with
asteroid (2867) Steins on 5 September 2008. The doors of ESA?s European Space
Operations Centre (ESOC) in Darmstadt, Germany, will be open to the media as of
18:00 on 5 September to follow the fly-by events.

First images and results will be available for presentation to the media during
a press conference which will be held at ESOC the following day, Saturday 6
September at 12:00 CEST.

Steins is Rosetta?s first nominal scientific target. The spacecraft will
rendezvous with the asteroid in the course of its first incursion into the
asteroid belt located between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter, while on its way
to comet 67/P Churyumov-Gerasimenko.

The study of asteroids is extremely important as they represent a sample of
Solar System material at different stages of evolution ? key to understanding
the origin of our own planet and of our planetary neighbourhood.

The closest approach to Steins is due to take place on 5 September at 20:58 CEST
(Central European Summer Time), from a distance of 800 km, during which the
spacecraft will not be communicating with Earth. First ground contact with the
spacecraft and announcement of successful fly-by will take place at 22:23 CEST.
The first data and images collected by Rosetta will be sent to Earth throughout
the night of 5 to 6 September and will undergo preliminary processing in the
morning of 6 September. The first images will be made available for broadcasters
via a special satellite feed on Saturday 6 September (details will be given on
http://television.esa.int).

To register for the events, please use the form linked from the right menu. The
press conference on 6 September will also be streamed on the ESA web: at
http://www.esa.int/rosetta.


Rosetta Steins Fly-By
Doors open to the media
5 September 2008, 18:00, Building K
ESA-ESOC
Robert-Bosch Strasse 5, 64293 Darmstadt, Germany

18:00 - Doors open
18:00 ? 19:00 Interview opportunities
19:00 ? 20:15 Buffet dinner
20:15 ? 20:30 The Steins Fly-By, Introduction by Paolo Ferri, Head of Solar and
Planetary Missions Division (Mission Operations Dept.), ESA
The crucial role of Flight Dynamics, by Trevor Morley, Rosetta Flight Dynamics
Team, ESA
20:30 ? 21:00 Live from Rosetta?s control room (loss of telemetry signal at
20:47)
22:23 - First telemetry on ground: signal of successful fly-by
23:00 - End of event


Rosetta Steins Fly-By Press Conference
6 September 2008, 12:00, Building D
ESA-ESOC
Robert-Bosch Strasse 5, 64293 Darmstadt, Germany

11:00 - Doors open
12:00 - Welcome and introduction, by David Southwood, Director of Science and
Robotic Exploration, ESA
12:10 - Rosetta: the status of the mission, by Gerhard Schwehm, Rosetta Mission
Manager & Head of Solar System Science Operations Division, ESA
12:20 - Rosetta and the study of asteroids, by Rita Schulz, Rosetta Project
Scientist, ESA
12:30 - The fly-by of Steins ? stretching Rosetta?s limits, by Andrea Accomazzo,
Rosetta Spacecraft Operations Manager, ESA
12:40 - Steins: first images and results, by Uwe Keller, OSIRIS camera Principal
Investigator, Max Planck Institut f?r Sonnensystemforschung
12:50 - ESA?s plans for asteroid and space debris monitoring, by Gaele Winters,
Director of Operations and Infrastructure, ESA
13:00 - Questions & Answers session
13:20 - Interview opportunities
15:00 - End of event

From almitt at kconline.com  Thu Aug 28 13:14:19 2008
From: almitt at kconline.com (ALMitt)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:14:19 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Some Super Ebay Auctions Ending
In-Reply-To: <8fldb4ljpq5kimehuu02ufstn39ak0tpai@4ax.com>
References: <d16.344c4cb9.35e77c18@aol.com>
	<8fldb4ljpq5kimehuu02ufstn39ak0tpai@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <48B6DCEB.3090505@kconline.com>

Greetings,

I have eBay auctions closing in about 24 hours, 48 hours and 72 hours. 
Auctions include: A larger slice of Lost City, Oklahoma (17.17 gm) which 
will be the one of the last larger slices I can offer plus some smaller 
part slices of this famous photographed fall,

NWA 1910 a enstatite EL6 (1.07 gm), an unclassified NWA stony specimen 
(412 gm), Seymachan ultra thin cut pallasite (5 gm),
NWA 801 a CR2 (4gm), NWA 3165 rare Urelilte (2 gm), Nice full Gibeon 
slice below .50 cents/gram, Larger Odessa specimen
(164 grams), Suizhou, China (1.62 gm), Nice endpiece frag. of Tuxtuac, 
Mexico LL4 (31.8 grams), Super nice small but whole 100% fusion crusted 
Millbillillie, Australia (10.25 gm).

See auctions here: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/almittmet

Thanks for looking and all my best!

--AL Mitterling
Mitterling Meteorites

From marcin at polandmet.com  Thu Aug 28 14:10:06 2008
From: marcin at polandmet.com (PolandMET)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:10:06 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] TAZA and ZIZ from EMTT
References: <20080823173131.B9650105AA@mailwash5.pair.com><57D2A38BCBBB0F49B8DAD7B22662430C0141994C91D0@EXCHANGE13.Enterprise.emory.net><00b601c90600$642569f0$6401a8c0@HOME>
	<004401c90911$6a88bd10$1101a8c0@T42>
Message-ID: <002f01c90939$bb9834b0$0d00000a@polandmezrd5i9>

Hello
Few years ago, when I start selling meteorites, I was lucky to buy few 
Taza's and one superB specimen of Ziz from someone who work in EMTT. Ziz was 
only 200grams, but it was the most beautifull iron meteorite specimen I have 
ever seen. For tooday, Ziz is my favorite iron meteorite.

Anyway, together with my specimens I received xero copy of EMTT 
classification done on Ziz and Taza. They are very interesting.Im sure You 
will like it. Maybe someone can convert them into Adobe Acrobat version to 
make them more easy to use and store.

This is photo copy of 20 pages complete classification done in EMTT

http://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/ZIZ_by_EMTT.rar
http://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/TAZA_by_EMTT.rar

-----[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-----[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-----
http://www.Meteoryty.pl             marcin(at)meteoryty.pl
http://www.PolandMET.com       marcin(at)meteorite.pl
http://www.Gao-Guenie.com      GSM: +48 (793) kosmos
--------[ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]--------


From mikewren at gilanet.com  Thu Aug 28 15:08:47 2008
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:08:47 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: SALE RUNNING IN MY STORE,
	Plus 48 AMAZING AUCTIONS FOR THE WEEK...Some Real DROOLERS!
Message-ID: <200808281311245.SM01100@yourfsyly0jtwn>

Hello,

I have a sale running in my shop, new items added, and 48 auctions loaded
for the week, some pieces are well worth checking out!

http://stores.ebay.com/VOYAGE-BOTANICA-NATURAL-HISTORY?refid=store?


Thanks and Best Wishes

Michael Cottingham



From meteorhound at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 28 16:53:37 2008
From: meteorhound at yahoo.com (Patricia Harris)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:53:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] WANTED MARS - thin section
Message-ID: <630410.15759.qm@web59613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Hello List,

I'm looking for a Mars thin section of a Shergottite.

Please contact Tim Heitz @  midwest at meteorman.org

Thank You,
Patricia Harris


      


From marsrox at gmail.com  Thu Aug 28 18:35:55 2008
From: marsrox at gmail.com (Kevin Kichinka)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:35:55 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Test
Message-ID: <5bb98d570808281535h51089dcbkca1296ba68b28b15@mail.gmail.com>

Test

From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 28 21:33:08 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:33:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad: Ebay sale ending in an hour
Message-ID: <606003.99806.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Hello list, I am getting ready to catch a 14 hour flight to LA from the other side of the planet, I have been out of contact for the last three weeks while in the desert. 
I will be home tomorrow afternoon, and catching my breath for a few days before likely coming to Denver. 

I have a few nice meteorites ending on ebay so take a look, but do it fast as they end in less than two hours.


See all available items at the links below, there are
http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=meteoritehunters
 
http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewUserPage&userid=meteorite-hunter
 
Thanks
Mike Farmer


From webbth1 at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 29 00:18:38 2008
From: webbth1 at yahoo.com (Thomas Webb)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:18:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Ebay Sale-Carbonaceous Slice
Message-ID: <90574.56171.qm@web36208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Just a few hours left on this one and not many more pieces left.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=230284509306&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=013 

Thanks,
Thomas


      

From yellowengine at earthlink.net  Fri Aug 29 14:00:17 2008
From: yellowengine at earthlink.net (RJP)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:00:17 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: 50g Pristine Pultusk
Message-ID: <10466807.1220032817471.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Good Afternoon Listees,

I am curious to know if anyone would be interested in purchasing a wonderful 50g Pultusk individual; great shape, 100% black fusion crust, single "dimple" regmaglypt, tiny collection label. A real gem. Although I don't have the original provenance pf this specimen, the well known dealer from whom I bought it from told me that it came from an old private collection. With that said, I am asking $750 for this one.. USPS Priority Mail postage is included, and I do accept credit cards through Paypal. 

Larger Pultusk specimens of this quality are only becoming harder and harder to find, so I encourage you to please contract me off-list if you are interested. Photos available upon request.

Have a great holiday weekend,

Ryan Pawelski

From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Fri Aug 29 16:07:59 2008
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:07:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 29,
	2008
Message-ID: <32645650.4591220040479548.JavaMail.root@mbs9.homesteadmail.com>


http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_29_2008.html


From bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 29 16:12:13 2008
From: bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com (mckinney trammell)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:12:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] offers on millen, cumberland falls
Message-ID: <259398.80726.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

i am taking offers on a 10g millen, ga slice and a 10g cumberland falls, ky slice. wholesale offer will be declined. i may play that stupid ebay game, depending, but they won't be give-aways. i'd let the list get a shot at them , first. i am considering letting my 26 g bonita springs, fl go, also. i know the minimum i want for each. but a multiple-specimen offer may catch me off guard and larger #'s may be too tempting to hold these fine skyrox, any more. good, solid, durable pieces. pix after offers. serious only.


      

From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Fri Aug 29 18:17:10 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 29 Aug 2008 22:17:10 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Steal of a Lifetime: Mirko's NWA 5411 (on EBay)
Message-ID: <DIIE.000000B0000030C1@paulinet.de>

Hi Listees, Listoids, and (Mega-)chondrule Lovers,

Some days ago a list member wrote about a "steal of a lifetime". Such things do happen
and what a "steal of a lifetime" is probably depends on one's personal likes and dislikes.

I encountered such a "steal" today when I saw Mirko Graul's new L3 chondrite NWA 5411.
Julius Caesar would have said: "Veni, vidi, vici". I saw this chondrule wonder, 9.6 grams
featuring one of those megachondrules and I couldn't help buying it! It probably measures
about 8 x 6 mm, it is elongated, and it is out-of-this-world! It's number 2 in my collection,
only my "cosmic onion" (NWA 2384) beats it because it has an onion-shell-like chondrule
measuring ca. 18.5 x 8.5 mm (with concentric arcs).

Can hardly wait to welcome this extraordinary, unequilibrated chondrite harboring such
a fine megachondrule, in my collection... oops, I almost forgot to show you what I am
talking about:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=300253608412&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=020

Here are some of those megacondrules:


Parnallee, LL3 - 3 mm
Bremerv?rde, H3 -  4 mm
Estacado, H6 -  7 mm and 10mm
Barratta, L4 -  8 mm
Belle Plaine, L6 -  9 mm
Bluff, L5  - 10 mm
Crumlin, L5  - 11 mm
Richardton, H5  - 11 mm
NWA 4679, CK3.8 - 12 mm
De Nova, L6  - 13 mm
Hajmah, L5-6 - 18 mm
Djati-Pengilon, H6 - 48 mm


Chon-droolingly Yours,

Bernd



From freequarks at gmail.com  Fri Aug 29 23:02:43 2008
From: freequarks at gmail.com (Dark Matter)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:02:43 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Steal of a Lifetime: Mirko's NWA 5411 (on EBay)
In-Reply-To: <DIIE.000000B0000030C1@paulinet.de>
References: <DIIE.000000B0000030C1@paulinet.de>
Message-ID: <822da19a0808292002w1e131f8fw24a33deabc2635a3@mail.gmail.com>

Wow Bernd. Good score.

I just measured the mega chondrule in my slice of Alfianello, Italy
slice. It is 11mm x 8mm and almost dead center in the face, and pretty
much all alone.

A pic can be seen if you scroll down to Alfianello in my article at
the Accretion Desk:

http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2005/August/Accretion_Desk.htm

Is there really a 48mm chondrule in Djati-Pengilon? Got a pic of it
anywhere? Can a whole meteorite be a single chondrule? Where did the
list come from?

Cheers, and thanks.

Martin

From eric at meteoritewatch.com  Fri Aug 29 23:21:12 2008
From: eric at meteoritewatch.com (Eric Wichman)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:21:12 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Happy Labor Day Weekend Sale: Day 1 of 4
In-Reply-To: <mailman.36.1220025672.91353.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
References: <mailman.36.1220025672.91353.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <48B8BCA8.6080202@meteoritewatch.com>

Hi Guys,

Sorry for the quickness of this email, but we have to let you know about 
this huge Labor Day sale. We've got a bunch of meteorite auctions ending 
this evening right NOW. Get in on the bidding now and get some great 
meteorites on the cheap.

We've dropped our pricing by as much as 60% for this huge Labor Day 
weekend only sale. Each day for 3 days we will be adding tons of great 
meteorites up for auction. Please keep a lookout for these deals!

Look for auctions with ~SALE~ in the title for the best deals possible.

We'll be sending out an email for the next 3 days with hundreds of items 
on sale. This is our biggest sale yet to date and with the lowest prices 
ever.

You'll be blown away by the low prices and this will be a great 
opportunity to add some great pieces to your meteorite collections.

Current Auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZfreel3orn

Good Luck and Happy Bidding Everyone!

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Jaime Kelly
Bits Of Earth
MeteoritesUSA
904-236-5394 Office
909-697-6577 Mobile
www.bitsofearth.com
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From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Sat Aug 30 07:42:29 2008
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 04:42:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 30,
	2008
Message-ID: <6460755.6171220096549079.JavaMail.root@mbs9.homesteadmail.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_30_2008.html

From freequarks at gmail.com  Sat Aug 30 10:02:02 2008
From: freequarks at gmail.com (Dark Matter)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 08:02:02 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August
	30, 2008
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Nice Picture. Thanks.

The RFS page texts suspects L6. The enlarged picture suggests a
possible L5. Frankly, I'd put my bet on an L4.

Cheers,

Martin



2008/8/30 Michael Johnson <michael at spacerocksinc.com>:
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From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 30 11:46:25 2008
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 08:46:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] ATTN : Hurricane Gustav Evacuation
In-Reply-To: <mailman.37.1220025672.91353.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <313884.44148.qm@web58404.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

HI Listees!

I have boarded up and sandbagged the house in preparation for Hurricane
Gustav. I have a few meteorite-related packages that I have to ship off
still, and I am posting this notice to let my buyers know that their
packages are safe.  I am taking the packages with me and I will be
mailing them from Florida, where we are evacuating to.  I just don't have
the time and ability to ship them today - the town resembles an ant-hill
that has been kicked over.  It's madness.

If anyone on this list is located in the Louisiana-Mississippi-East Texas
part of the Gulf of Mexico - GET OUT!

This is especially true for Terrebonne Parish Louisiana (my home) because
we have NO levees here - we are sitting ducks thanks to the incompetence
of our fearless leaders who embezzle all the public funds away for their
own private use.  The projected storm track takes the storm as a Category
4 right up the mouth of Terrebonne Bay - if this holds true, my home
town of Houma will be inundated under 9-12 feet of storm surge - which
is not good since we sit below sea level.

I'd rather be on Asteroid 4 Vesta right now. ;)

Regards, clear skies, and godspeed,

MIkeG


.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
..........................................................



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>    1. Rosetta stoned (Darren Garrison)
>    2. AD: Some Super Ebay Auctions Ending (ALMitt)
>    3. TAZA and ZIZ from EMTT (PolandMET)
>    4. AD: SALE RUNNING IN MY STORE,	Plus 48 AMAZING
> AUCTIONS FOR
>       THE WEEK...Some Real DROOLERS! (michael cottingham)
>    5. WANTED MARS - thin section (Patricia Harris)
>    6. Test (Kevin Kichinka)
>    7. Ad: Ebay sale ending in an hour (Michael Farmer)
>    8. AD: Ebay Sale-Carbonaceous Slice (Thomas Webb)
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:46:06 -0400
> From: Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Rosetta stoned
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Message-ID:
> <8fldb4ljpq5kimehuu02ufstn39ak0tpai at 4ax.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> http://pr-usa.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=128560&Itemid=34
> 
> Rosetta spacecraft meets asteroid Steins  	  
> 
> ESA PR 35-2008. ESA?s Rosetta spacecraft will make a
> historic encounter with
> asteroid (2867) Steins on 5 September 2008. The doors of
> ESA?s European Space
> Operations Centre (ESOC) in Darmstadt, Germany, will be
> open to the media as of
> 18:00 on 5 September to follow the fly-by events.
> 
> First images and results will be available for presentation
> to the media during
> a press conference which will be held at ESOC the following
> day, Saturday 6
> September at 12:00 CEST.
> 
> Steins is Rosetta?s first nominal scientific target. The
> spacecraft will
> rendezvous with the asteroid in the course of its first
> incursion into the
> asteroid belt located between the orbits of Mars and
> Jupiter, while on its way
> to comet 67/P Churyumov-Gerasimenko.
> 
> The study of asteroids is extremely important as they
> represent a sample of
> Solar System material at different stages of evolution ?
> key to understanding
> the origin of our own planet and of our planetary
> neighbourhood.
> 
> The closest approach to Steins is due to take place on 5
> September at 20:58 CEST
> (Central European Summer Time), from a distance of 800 km,
> during which the
> spacecraft will not be communicating with Earth. First
> ground contact with the
> spacecraft and announcement of successful fly-by will take
> place at 22:23 CEST.
> The first data and images collected by Rosetta will be sent
> to Earth throughout
> the night of 5 to 6 September and will undergo preliminary
> processing in the
> morning of 6 September. The first images will be made
> available for broadcasters
> via a special satellite feed on Saturday 6 September
> (details will be given on
> http://television.esa.int).
> 
> To register for the events, please use the form linked from
> the right menu. The
> press conference on 6 September will also be streamed on
> the ESA web: at
> http://www.esa.int/rosetta.
> 
> 
> Rosetta Steins Fly-By
> Doors open to the media
> 5 September 2008, 18:00, Building K
> ESA-ESOC
> Robert-Bosch Strasse 5, 64293 Darmstadt, Germany
> 
> 18:00 - Doors open
> 18:00 ? 19:00 Interview opportunities
> 19:00 ? 20:15 Buffet dinner
> 20:15 ? 20:30 The Steins Fly-By, Introduction by Paolo
> Ferri, Head of Solar and
> Planetary Missions Division (Mission Operations Dept.), ESA
> The crucial role of Flight Dynamics, by Trevor Morley,
> Rosetta Flight Dynamics
> Team, ESA
> 20:30 ? 21:00 Live from Rosetta?s control room (loss of
> telemetry signal at
> 20:47)
> 22:23 - First telemetry on ground: signal of successful
> fly-by
> 23:00 - End of event
> 
> 
> Rosetta Steins Fly-By Press Conference
> 6 September 2008, 12:00, Building D
> ESA-ESOC
> Robert-Bosch Strasse 5, 64293 Darmstadt, Germany
> 
> 11:00 - Doors open
> 12:00 - Welcome and introduction, by David Southwood,
> Director of Science and
> Robotic Exploration, ESA
> 12:10 - Rosetta: the status of the mission, by Gerhard
> Schwehm, Rosetta Mission
> Manager & Head of Solar System Science Operations
> Division, ESA
> 12:20 - Rosetta and the study of asteroids, by Rita Schulz,
> Rosetta Project
> Scientist, ESA
> 12:30 - The fly-by of Steins ? stretching Rosetta?s limits,
> by Andrea Accomazzo,
> Rosetta Spacecraft Operations Manager, ESA
> 12:40 - Steins: first images and results, by Uwe Keller,
> OSIRIS camera Principal
> Investigator, Max Planck Institut f?r Sonnensystemforschung
> 12:50 - ESA?s plans for asteroid and space debris
> monitoring, by Gaele Winters,
> Director of Operations and Infrastructure, ESA
> 13:00 - Questions & Answers session
> 13:20 - Interview opportunities
> 15:00 - End of event
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:14:19 -0400
> From: ALMitt <almitt at kconline.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Some Super Ebay Auctions
> Ending
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Message-ID: <48B6DCEB.3090505 at kconline.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> I have eBay auctions closing in about 24 hours, 48 hours
> and 72 hours. 
> Auctions include: A larger slice of Lost City, Oklahoma
> (17.17 gm) which 
> will be the one of the last larger slices I can offer plus
> some smaller 
> part slices of this famous photographed fall,
> 
> NWA 1910 a enstatite EL6 (1.07 gm), an unclassified NWA
> stony specimen 
> (412 gm), Seymachan ultra thin cut pallasite (5 gm),
> NWA 801 a CR2 (4gm), NWA 3165 rare Urelilte (2 gm), Nice
> full Gibeon 
> slice below .50 cents/gram, Larger Odessa specimen
> (164 grams), Suizhou, China (1.62 gm), Nice endpiece frag.
> of Tuxtuac, 
> Mexico LL4 (31.8 grams), Super nice small but whole 100%
> fusion crusted 
> Millbillillie, Australia (10.25 gm).
> 
> See auctions here: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/almittmet
> 
> Thanks for looking and all my best!
> 
> --AL Mitterling
> Mitterling Meteorites
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:10:06 +0200
> From: "PolandMET" <marcin at polandmet.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] TAZA and ZIZ from EMTT
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Message-ID:
> <002f01c90939$bb9834b0$0d00000a at polandmezrd5i9>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed;
> charset="ISO-8859-1";
> 	reply-type=response
> 
> Hello
> Few years ago, when I start selling meteorites, I was lucky
> to buy few 
> Taza's and one superB specimen of Ziz from someone who
> work in EMTT. Ziz was 
> only 200grams, but it was the most beautifull iron
> meteorite specimen I have 
> ever seen. For tooday, Ziz is my favorite iron meteorite.
> 
> Anyway, together with my specimens I received xero copy of
> EMTT 
> classification done on Ziz and Taza. They are very
> interesting.Im sure You 
> will like it. Maybe someone can convert them into Adobe
> Acrobat version to 
> make them more easy to use and store.
> 
> This is photo copy of 20 pages complete classification done
> in EMTT
> 
> http://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/ZIZ_by_EMTT.rar
> http://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/TAZA_by_EMTT.rar
> 
> -----[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-----[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-----
> http://www.Meteoryty.pl             marcin(at)meteoryty.pl
> http://www.PolandMET.com       marcin(at)meteorite.pl
> http://www.Gao-Guenie.com      GSM: +48 (793) kosmos
> --------[ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]--------
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:08:47 -0600
> From: "michael cottingham"
> <mikewren at gilanet.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: SALE RUNNING IN MY
> STORE,	Plus 48
> 	AMAZING AUCTIONS FOR THE WEEK...Some Real DROOLERS!
> To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Message-ID: <200808281311245.SM01100 at yourfsyly0jtwn>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I have a sale running in my shop, new items added, and 48
> auctions loaded
> for the week, some pieces are well worth checking out!
> 
> http://stores.ebay.com/VOYAGE-BOTANICA-NATURAL-HISTORY?refid=store?
> 
> 
> Thanks and Best Wishes
> 
> Michael Cottingham
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:53:37 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Patricia Harris <meteorhound at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] WANTED MARS - thin section
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Message-ID:
> <630410.15759.qm at web59613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> Hello List,
> 
> I'm looking for a Mars thin section of a Shergottite.
> 
> Please contact Tim Heitz @  midwest at meteorman.org
> 
> Thank You,
> Patricia Harris
> 
> 
>       
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:35:55 -0600
> From: "Kevin Kichinka" <marsrox at gmail.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Test
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Message-ID:
> 	<5bb98d570808281535h51089dcbkca1296ba68b28b15 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> Test
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:33:08 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad: Ebay sale ending in an hour
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Message-ID:
> <606003.99806.qm at web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> 
> Hello list, I am getting ready to catch a 14 hour flight to
> LA from the other side of the planet, I have been out of
> contact for the last three weeks while in the desert. 
> I will be home tomorrow afternoon, and catching my breath
> for a few days before likely coming to Denver. 
> 
> I have a few nice meteorites ending on ebay so take a look,
> but do it fast as they end in less than two hours.
> 
> 
> See all available items at the links below, there are
> http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=meteoritehunters
>  
> http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?
> ViewUserPage&userid=meteorite-hunter
>  
> Thanks
> Mike Farmer
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:18:38 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Thomas Webb <webbth1 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Ebay Sale-Carbonaceous Slice
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Message-ID:
> <90574.56171.qm at web36208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> Just a few hours left on this one and not many more pieces
> left.
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=230284509306&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=013
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Thomas
> 
> 
>       
> 
> 
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From marcin at polandmet.com  Sat Aug 30 12:05:32 2008
From: marcin at polandmet.com (PolandMET)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:05:32 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August30,
	2008
References: <6460755.6171220096549079.JavaMail.root@mbs9.homesteadmail.com>
	<822da19a0808300702n2b2dd21es9414471def3234ba@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002601c90aba$3ae68330$0d00000a@polandmezrd5i9>

> Nice Picture. Thanks.
>
> The RFS page texts suspects L6. The enlarged picture suggests a
> possible L5. Frankly, I'd put my bet on an L4.
>
> Cheers,
> Martin

Yes L4-5 , not L6 ofcourse. My mistake.
This one looked alittle like NWA 869, also from outside, but this is 
something else, becouse I cut few specimens and they have no brecciation. 
Anyway very nice chondrule :)

-----[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-----[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-----
http://www.Meteoryty.pl             marcin(at)meteoryty.pl
http://www.PolandMET.com       marcin(at)meteorite.pl
http://www.Gao-Guenie.com      GSM: +48 (793) kosmos
--------[ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]--------


From dave.carothers at cox.net  Sat Aug 30 12:15:17 2008
From: dave.carothers at cox.net (Dave Carothers)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:15:17 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] ATTN : Hurricane Gustav Evacuation
In-Reply-To: <313884.44148.qm@web58404.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <FEEPJKMBNDKPAPJPKFKHMEJMCBAA.dave.carothers@cox.net>

Best of luck, Mike.  Having been stationed at Keesler AFB in Biloxi, I know
what you are going through.  God speed.

Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com]On Behalf Of Michael
Gilmer
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 11:46 AM
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] ATTN : Hurricane Gustav Evacuation


HI Listees!

I have boarded up and sandbagged the house in preparation for Hurricane
Gustav. I have a few meteorite-related packages that I have to ship off
still, and I am posting this notice to let my buyers know that their
packages are safe.  I am taking the packages with me and I will be
mailing them from Florida, where we are evacuating to.  I just don't have
the time and ability to ship them today - the town resembles an ant-hill
that has been kicked over.  It's madness.

If anyone on this list is located in the Louisiana-Mississippi-East Texas
part of the Gulf of Mexico - GET OUT!

This is especially true for Terrebonne Parish Louisiana (my home) because
we have NO levees here - we are sitting ducks thanks to the incompetence
of our fearless leaders who embezzle all the public funds away for their
own private use.  The projected storm track takes the storm as a Category
4 right up the mouth of Terrebonne Bay - if this holds true, my home
town of Houma will be inundated under 9-12 feet of storm surge - which
is not good since we sit below sea level.

I'd rather be on Asteroid 4 Vesta right now. ;)

Regards, clear skies, and godspeed,

MIkeG


.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
..........................................................



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>    1. Rosetta stoned (Darren Garrison)
>    2. AD: Some Super Ebay Auctions Ending (ALMitt)
>    3. TAZA and ZIZ from EMTT (PolandMET)
>    4. AD: SALE RUNNING IN MY STORE,	Plus 48 AMAZING
> AUCTIONS FOR
>       THE WEEK...Some Real DROOLERS! (michael cottingham)
>    5. WANTED MARS - thin section (Patricia Harris)
>    6. Test (Kevin Kichinka)
>    7. Ad: Ebay sale ending in an hour (Michael Farmer)
>    8. AD: Ebay Sale-Carbonaceous Slice (Thomas Webb)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:46:06 -0400
> From: Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Rosetta stoned
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Message-ID:
> <8fldb4ljpq5kimehuu02ufstn39ak0tpai at 4ax.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
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>
http://pr-usa.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=128560&Itemid=34
>
> Rosetta spacecraft meets asteroid Steins
>
> ESA PR 35-2008. ESA?s Rosetta spacecraft will make a
> historic encounter with
> asteroid (2867) Steins on 5 September 2008. The doors of
> ESA?s European Space
> Operations Centre (ESOC) in Darmstadt, Germany, will be
> open to the media as of
> 18:00 on 5 September to follow the fly-by events.
>
> First images and results will be available for presentation
> to the media during
> a press conference which will be held at ESOC the following
> day, Saturday 6
> September at 12:00 CEST.
>
> Steins is Rosetta?s first nominal scientific target. The
> spacecraft will
> rendezvous with the asteroid in the course of its first
> incursion into the
> asteroid belt located between the orbits of Mars and
> Jupiter, while on its way
> to comet 67/P Churyumov-Gerasimenko.
>
> The study of asteroids is extremely important as they
> represent a sample of
> Solar System material at different stages of evolution ?
> key to understanding
> the origin of our own planet and of our planetary
> neighbourhood.
>
> The closest approach to Steins is due to take place on 5
> September at 20:58 CEST
> (Central European Summer Time), from a distance of 800 km,
> during which the
> spacecraft will not be communicating with Earth. First
> ground contact with the
> spacecraft and announcement of successful fly-by will take
> place at 22:23 CEST.
> The first data and images collected by Rosetta will be sent
> to Earth throughout
> the night of 5 to 6 September and will undergo preliminary
> processing in the
> morning of 6 September. The first images will be made
> available for broadcasters
> via a special satellite feed on Saturday 6 September
> (details will be given on
> http://television.esa.int).
>
> To register for the events, please use the form linked from
> the right menu. The
> press conference on 6 September will also be streamed on
> the ESA web: at
> http://www.esa.int/rosetta.
>
>
> Rosetta Steins Fly-By
> Doors open to the media
> 5 September 2008, 18:00, Building K
> ESA-ESOC
> Robert-Bosch Strasse 5, 64293 Darmstadt, Germany
>
> 18:00 - Doors open
> 18:00 ? 19:00 Interview opportunities
> 19:00 ? 20:15 Buffet dinner
> 20:15 ? 20:30 The Steins Fly-By, Introduction by Paolo
> Ferri, Head of Solar and
> Planetary Missions Division (Mission Operations Dept.), ESA
> The crucial role of Flight Dynamics, by Trevor Morley,
> Rosetta Flight Dynamics
> Team, ESA
> 20:30 ? 21:00 Live from Rosetta?s control room (loss of
> telemetry signal at
> 20:47)
> 22:23 - First telemetry on ground: signal of successful
> fly-by
> 23:00 - End of event
>
>
> Rosetta Steins Fly-By Press Conference
> 6 September 2008, 12:00, Building D
> ESA-ESOC
> Robert-Bosch Strasse 5, 64293 Darmstadt, Germany
>
> 11:00 - Doors open
> 12:00 - Welcome and introduction, by David Southwood,
> Director of Science and
> Robotic Exploration, ESA
> 12:10 - Rosetta: the status of the mission, by Gerhard
> Schwehm, Rosetta Mission
> Manager & Head of Solar System Science Operations
> Division, ESA
> 12:20 - Rosetta and the study of asteroids, by Rita Schulz,
> Rosetta Project
> Scientist, ESA
> 12:30 - The fly-by of Steins ? stretching Rosetta?s limits,
> by Andrea Accomazzo,
> Rosetta Spacecraft Operations Manager, ESA
> 12:40 - Steins: first images and results, by Uwe Keller,
> OSIRIS camera Principal
> Investigator, Max Planck Institut f?r Sonnensystemforschung
> 12:50 - ESA?s plans for asteroid and space debris
> monitoring, by Gaele Winters,
> Director of Operations and Infrastructure, ESA
> 13:00 - Questions & Answers session
> 13:20 - Interview opportunities
> 15:00 - End of event
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:14:19 -0400
> From: ALMitt <almitt at kconline.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Some Super Ebay Auctions
> Ending
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Message-ID: <48B6DCEB.3090505 at kconline.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>
> Greetings,
>
> I have eBay auctions closing in about 24 hours, 48 hours
> and 72 hours.
> Auctions include: A larger slice of Lost City, Oklahoma
> (17.17 gm) which
> will be the one of the last larger slices I can offer plus
> some smaller
> part slices of this famous photographed fall,
>
> NWA 1910 a enstatite EL6 (1.07 gm), an unclassified NWA
> stony specimen
> (412 gm), Seymachan ultra thin cut pallasite (5 gm),
> NWA 801 a CR2 (4gm), NWA 3165 rare Urelilte (2 gm), Nice
> full Gibeon
> slice below .50 cents/gram, Larger Odessa specimen
> (164 grams), Suizhou, China (1.62 gm), Nice endpiece frag.
> of Tuxtuac,
> Mexico LL4 (31.8 grams), Super nice small but whole 100%
> fusion crusted
> Millbillillie, Australia (10.25 gm).
>
> See auctions here: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/almittmet
>
> Thanks for looking and all my best!
>
> --AL Mitterling
> Mitterling Meteorites
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:10:06 +0200
> From: "PolandMET" <marcin at polandmet.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] TAZA and ZIZ from EMTT
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Message-ID:
> <002f01c90939$bb9834b0$0d00000a at polandmezrd5i9>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed;
> charset="ISO-8859-1";
> 	reply-type=response
>
> Hello
> Few years ago, when I start selling meteorites, I was lucky
> to buy few
> Taza's and one superB specimen of Ziz from someone who
> work in EMTT. Ziz was
> only 200grams, but it was the most beautifull iron
> meteorite specimen I have
> ever seen. For tooday, Ziz is my favorite iron meteorite.
>
> Anyway, together with my specimens I received xero copy of
> EMTT
> classification done on Ziz and Taza. They are very
> interesting.Im sure You
> will like it. Maybe someone can convert them into Adobe
> Acrobat version to
> make them more easy to use and store.
>
> This is photo copy of 20 pages complete classification done
> in EMTT
>
> http://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/ZIZ_by_EMTT.rar
> http://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/TAZA_by_EMTT.rar
>
> -----[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-----[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-----
> http://www.Meteoryty.pl             marcin(at)meteoryty.pl
> http://www.PolandMET.com       marcin(at)meteorite.pl
> http://www.Gao-Guenie.com      GSM: +48 (793) kosmos
> --------[ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]--------
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:08:47 -0600
> From: "michael cottingham"
> <mikewren at gilanet.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: SALE RUNNING IN MY
> STORE,	Plus 48
> 	AMAZING AUCTIONS FOR THE WEEK...Some Real DROOLERS!
> To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Message-ID: <200808281311245.SM01100 at yourfsyly0jtwn>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hello,
>
> I have a sale running in my shop, new items added, and 48
> auctions loaded
> for the week, some pieces are well worth checking out!
>
> http://stores.ebay.com/VOYAGE-BOTANICA-NATURAL-HISTORY?refid=store?
>
>
> Thanks and Best Wishes
>
> Michael Cottingham
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:53:37 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Patricia Harris <meteorhound at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] WANTED MARS - thin section
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Message-ID:
> <630410.15759.qm at web59613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Hello List,
>
> I'm looking for a Mars thin section of a Shergottite.
>
> Please contact Tim Heitz @  midwest at meteorman.org
>
> Thank You,
> Patricia Harris
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:35:55 -0600
> From: "Kevin Kichinka" <marsrox at gmail.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Test
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Message-ID:
> 	<5bb98d570808281535h51089dcbkca1296ba68b28b15 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Test
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:33:08 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad: Ebay sale ending in an hour
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Message-ID:
> <606003.99806.qm at web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>
> Hello list, I am getting ready to catch a 14 hour flight to
> LA from the other side of the planet, I have been out of
> contact for the last three weeks while in the desert.
> I will be home tomorrow afternoon, and catching my breath
> for a few days before likely coming to Denver.
>
> I have a few nice meteorites ending on ebay so take a look,
> but do it fast as they end in less than two hours.
>
>
> See all available items at the links below, there are
>
http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=meteoritehunte
rs
>
> http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?
> ViewUserPage&userid=meteorite-hunter
>
> Thanks
> Mike Farmer
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:18:38 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Thomas Webb <webbth1 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Ebay Sale-Carbonaceous Slice
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Message-ID:
> <90574.56171.qm at web36208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Just a few hours left on this one and not many more pieces
> left.
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=230284509306&ssPageN
ame=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=013
>
>
> Thanks,
> Thomas
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
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From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Sat Aug 30 14:53:13 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 30 Aug 2008 18:53:13 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Megachondrules
Message-ID: <DIIE.000000AD000030C8@paulinet.de>

Hello Martin and List,

Martin wrote: "I just measured the mega chondrule in my slice of Alfianello
Italy slice. It is 11mm x 8mm and almost dead center in the face, and pretty
much all alone."

Beautiful slice and wonderful chondrule with a nice-looking white rim! Is
it a "bleached" chondrule?

Martin inquired: "Is there really a 48mm chondrule in Djati-Pengilon?
Got a pic of it anywhere? Can a whole meteorite be a single chondrule?
Where did the list come from?"

The list comes from this article in Meteoritics:

Bridges J.C. et al. (1997) A survey of clasts and large chondrules
in ordinary chondrites (Meteoritics 32-3, 1997, 389-394).

The info on the 48 mm chondrule in Djati-Pengilon comes from
David Weir. He described it as ellipsoidal and he posted this when
we had a similar thread some years ago.

To Bridges' list of megachondrules, I added the info on the 12-mm BO
chondrule in my NWA 4679 (CK3.8) slice that I purchased from GIPO.

Best to all,

Bernd


From mikewren at gilanet.com  Sat Aug 30 15:26:23 2008
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:26:23 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: Looking for Interesting Trade for my Esquels...
Message-ID: <200808301328609.SM01744@yourfsyly0jtwn>



________________________________________
From: michael cottingham [mailto:mikewren at gilanet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 9:10 PM
To: 'michael cottingham'
Subject: Looking for Interesting Trade for my Esquels...

Hello,

I have two beautiful and top of the line Esquel slices that I would like to
trade. One is 458 grams and the other is 148 grams. I am open to just about
anything, but I am looking for similar quality pieces for my collection or
bulk material for resale.

458 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200246802124

148 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200248919059

Both of these were cut by Achim Karl of Germany from my larger 6kg slice.
The work is excellent and Achim said that these slices are some of the
finest he has ever seen of Esquel. He should know, he cut most all of Bob
Haag's complete slices. Anyway, I have these extra slices and I am looking
for something interesting to trade for. My dollar price on these is top
because these slices are top. However, I will be reasonable with a nice
trade. 

Let me know if you are interested.

Thanks and Best Wishes

Michael Cottingham



From midwest at meteorman.org  Sat Aug 30 17:44:04 2008
From: midwest at meteorman.org (Timothy Heitz)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:44:04 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Achim Karl's e-mail
References: <200808301328609.SM01744@yourfsyly0jtwn>
Message-ID: <6DC24927072E4215A0892668A74C53BA@den>



Hello Michael,

Would you have Achim Karl's e-mail address.   I have a piece of Fukang that 
needs cutting.

Thank You,
Tim Heitz






















----- Original Message ----- 
From: "michael cottingham" <mikewren at gilanet.com>
To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 12:26 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: Looking for Interesting Trade for my 
Esquels...


>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: michael cottingham [mailto:mikewren at gilanet.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 9:10 PM
> To: 'michael cottingham'
> Subject: Looking for Interesting Trade for my Esquels...
>
> Hello,
>
> I have two beautiful and top of the line Esquel slices that I would like 
> to
> trade. One is 458 grams and the other is 148 grams. I am open to just 
> about
> anything, but I am looking for similar quality pieces for my collection or
> bulk material for resale.
>
> 458 gram
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200246802124
>
> 148 gram
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200248919059
>
> Both of these were cut by Achim Karl of Germany from my larger 6kg slice.
> The work is excellent and Achim said that these slices are some of the
> finest he has ever seen of Esquel. He should know, he cut most all of Bob
> Haag's complete slices. Anyway, I have these extra slices and I am looking
> for something interesting to trade for. My dollar price on these is top
> because these slices are top. However, I will be reasonable with a nice
> trade.
>
> Let me know if you are interested.
>
> Thanks and Best Wishes
>
> Michael Cottingham
>
>
> ______________________________________________
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From bobadebt at ec.rr.com  Sat Aug 30 19:01:49 2008
From: bobadebt at ec.rr.com (David & Kitt Deyarmin)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 19:01:49 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD- Premium Zag Slices For Sale
Message-ID: <3CA10C41816643E9844F3AD46A78B93F@David>

I finished processing the remainder of my Zag Fragment today and I have some 
fantastic slices available

I have one super huge, super thin slice that is a bargain at $96

It weighs 32 grams and measures 75mm x 55mm x about 2mm

I also have 3 slices that feature a large iron nodule.  The slices measure 
about 55mm x 25mm x about 2mm and the average size of the nodules is about 
8mm x 6mm

You can see all 4 slices in this image

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p298/BobaDebt/Meteorites/Zag/ZagSlices3.jpg

I also have 18 small slices that weigh from 1-4 grams that I am selling for 
$3 per gram

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p298/BobaDebt/Meteorites/Zag/2-4GramSlices.jpg

I also have a variety of great slices, some with crust, most with great 
brecciation so if you would like a nice piece of this meteorite, I'm your 
man :)


Some of the slice have been on my web site at 
http://home.ec.rr.com/bobadebt/50mil.htm

but it will take me a while to upload the images of the new slices.

I will be glad to send anyone images of a specific  "type" of slice just 
email me what you're looking for

If you are interested in anything listed, please contact me off list at 
bobadebt at ec.rr.com

Thanks 





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From bristolia at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 31 00:51:35 2008
From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:51:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] ATTN : Hurricane Gustav Evacuation
Message-ID: <690704.37819.qm@web36203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dave Carothers wrote:

"Best of luck, Mike. Having been stationed at Keesler 
AFB in Biloxi, I know what you are going through. 
God speed."

Some quotes:

"The mother of all storms." and "This is the storm of the century."
- Mayor Ray Nagin.

"This is as worst as it can get." - Gov. Bobby Jindle

They are now predicting that Gustav will be a Category 4 (and 
possibly even 5 at times) Hurricane with 15 to 20 foot storm 
surge. The coastal areas and parishes are going to get hammered 
very, very badly if the predictions come true. In Baton Rouge,
we will definitely be with out power for days at least. The 
only saving grace is that being in the northwest side of the 
hurricane, the wind will blow any trees in our yard away from 
the house if they should fall. Just as long as there are not 
any tornadoes, we should be able to ride out what looks to be 
a rather rough sleight ride on Monday. I and Irina have all 
of our supplies, money, full tank of gas in both of our cars, 
and so forth. Now all we can do is wait and make the remainder 
of the preparations. It feels like what it would be like to 
know that a medium-size meteorite was headed toward a part 
of Earth near me.

>From the looks of it, this will be worst than either Katrina, 
Rita, or Andrew, which I have all been through here and from 
what I have heard of it, at least either as bad as or worse
than Betsy even as far inland as Baton Rouge, LA.

People are "getting out of Dodge City".

Hurricane Gustav Evacuees Make Way To Chicago
http://cbs2chicago.com/local/hurricane.gustav.hurricane.2.806975.html

Then there is this:

Gustav's potential storm surge could inundate Houma
http://www.dailycomet.com/article/20080830/ARTICLES/808309944/1212&title=Gustav_s_potential_storm_surge_could_inundate_Houma

Gustav could send a 25-foot wall of water into Terrebonne, 
Lafourche, meteorologist says
http://www.dailycomet.com/article/20080830/HURBLOG/808300293&title=Gustav_could_send_a_25_foot_wall_of_water_into_Terrebonne__Lafourche__meteorologist_says

Best regards,

Paul 


      

From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 31 11:02:48 2008
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 08:02:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] looking for small millbilliees (1 to 6 gram
	individuals)
Message-ID: <625639.99823.qm@web57807.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi list.I am looking for some small millbilliees (1 to 6 grams) completely crusted.Let me know offlist.

Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/


      

From codale0806 at rogers.com  Sun Aug 31 13:07:37 2008
From: codale0806 at rogers.com (Charles O'Dale)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:07:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Pingualuit
In-Reply-To: <mailman.31.1220198476.87068.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <152378.27797.qm@web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

http://www.flickr.com/photos/chuckexpeditions/2813874599/

I just returned from northern Quebec where I was exploring the Pingualuit impact structure. This image gives you an appreciation for the size of the crater!

Chuck


From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Sun Aug 31 15:26:59 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 31 Aug 2008 19:26:59 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Wow! NWA 5411 on EBay again!
Message-ID: <DIIE.00000085000030DC@paulinet.de>

Hello Chondrule Buffs,

Just in case you haven't seen them yet. I just "walked" past further slices of this
remarkable L3 chondrite. The 8.7-gram slice harbors some really nice chondrules
and that large oval chondrule probably measures ca. 6 mm in longest dimension!

Wow, and look at that gorgeous chondrule trio in the 12.8-gram slice but be careful!
Don't start drooling on your computer keyboard ;-)


Cheers,

Bernd


From fuzzfoot at comcast.net  Sun Aug 31 16:12:57 2008
From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 13:12:57 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Old Meteorite Photo?
Message-ID: <20080831201301.A801B10546@mailwash5.pair.com>


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=
280259809930

Hmmm... any ideas on if this might be meteorite related? I can't find any
info on 'Yellow Dog Mine' and 'meteorite' grouped together.

Kind regards,
?
Mike Bandli
IMCA #5765
?




From jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk  Sun Aug 31 16:26:18 2008
From: jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk (jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:26:18 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] test-please delete
Message-ID: <8827942.109891220214378077.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>

testing testing

From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Sun Aug 31 17:21:40 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 31 Aug 2008 21:21:40 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Yellow Dog Mine and Meteorite
Message-ID: <DIIE.00000083000030E0@paulinet.de>

Mike inquired: "Hmmm ... any ideas on if this might be meteorite related?
I can't find any info on 'Yellow Dog Mine' and 'meteorite' grouped together"


Hi Mike and List,

I just googled this 'Yellow Dog Mine' and found it was a mine in Michigan.
*If* this object on the running board of the autombile really is a meteorite,
its substantial size would point towards the anomalous Grand Rapids iron.
Unfortunately, ... the 114-pound mass of this iron was found in 1883, not
in the 1910's, but, who knows ...?!

Bernd


From marcin at polandmet.com  Sun Aug 31 17:32:38 2008
From: marcin at polandmet.com (PolandMET)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:32:38 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Oriented ZIZ, NWA5206 [LL3.05],
	NWA 5220 [LL4-LL6] - update
References: <DIIE.000000B0000030C1@paulinet.de>
Message-ID: <000601c90bb1$17d08bf0$0d00000a@polandmezrd5i9>

Hello List
Becouse of large interest in my newly classified LL3.05 I have put new 
pieces on my shop.
I have also finished NWA 5220 LL4-LL6. There are only few slices for sale, 
together with main mass. TKW only 135 grams

Last but not least, I want present my 3 specimens of ZIZ iron. Two of them I 
have sale for (im sure) fair price.
One of them I will hold till I will not find better/larger specimen. Its 
simple perfect specimen with orientation (flow lines go radialy from the top 
side). One of the most beautifull iron specimen I have seen. Sikhote go home 
!!! :)

Please visit http://www.polandmet.com/

-----[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-----[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-----
http://www.Meteoryty.pl             marcin(at)meteoryty.pl
http://www.PolandMET.com       marcin(at)meteorite.pl
http://www.Gao-Guenie.com      GSM: +48 (793) kosmos
--------[ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]--------


From cynapse at charter.net  Sun Aug 31 18:03:49 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 18:03:49 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Old Meteorite Photo?
In-Reply-To: <20080831201301.A801B10546@mailwash5.pair.com>
References: <20080831201301.A801B10546@mailwash5.pair.com>
Message-ID: <i95mb4p71vfprj0c04ktif0d14amgj882a@4ax.com>

FWIW, http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/glassplate_meteormaybe.jpg

From clp at alumni.caltech.edu  Sun Aug 31 18:04:33 2008
From: clp at alumni.caltech.edu (Chris Peterson)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 16:04:33 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Yellow Dog Mine and Meteorite
References: <DIIE.00000083000030E0@paulinet.de>
Message-ID: <B0DC70341040446DA117B6889239815B@bellatrix>

If you google a little deeper, you'll find Yellow Dog Mines all over the 
place. Hard to know just which one is in the picture without more 
information.

Chris

*****************************************
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bernd.pauli at paulinet.de>
To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 3:21 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Yellow Dog Mine and Meteorite


> Mike inquired: "Hmmm ... any ideas on if this might be meteorite related?
> I can't find any info on 'Yellow Dog Mine' and 'meteorite' grouped 
> together"
>
>
> Hi Mike and List,
>
> I just googled this 'Yellow Dog Mine' and found it was a mine in Michigan.
> *If* this object on the running board of the autombile really is a 
> meteorite,
> its substantial size would point towards the anomalous Grand Rapids iron.
> Unfortunately, ... the 114-pound mass of this iron was found in 1883, not
> in the 1910's, but, who knows ...?!
>
> Bernd


From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 31 18:08:48 2008
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 15:08:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] OCTOBER SKY  &  TELESCOPE
Message-ID: <952214.68717.qm@web57810.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi again list.Short and sweet.I just picked up the october sky and telescope.GREAT ARTICLE AND GREAT PICTURES.Way to geoff and rubin.A job well done.

Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/


      

From cynapse at charter.net  Sun Aug 31 18:09:03 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 18:09:03 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Old Meteorite Photo?
In-Reply-To: <20080831201301.A801B10546@mailwash5.pair.com>
References: <20080831201301.A801B10546@mailwash5.pair.com>
Message-ID: <7i5mb4dj4vi0n8n35ti3i9gl300pd8k3tq@4ax.com>

Oh, my god, I just noticed-- that car is being driven by an alien!

http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/glassplate_alien.jpg

From pshugar at clearwire.net  Sun Aug 31 22:01:00 2008
From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:01:00 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] October Sky and Telescope
Message-ID: <9E39B116D0B34ACD8C9D96DDF0F6F8AC@portable>

There doesn't seem to be anywhere here in 
Amarillo to by it at. If I paypal the funds to 
someone, can you please get it for me and 
send it to me?
Thanks,
Pete IMCA 1733

From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Sun Aug 31 22:05:03 2008
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:05:03 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Old Meteorite Photo?
References: <20080831201301.A801B10546@mailwash5.pair.com>
Message-ID: <022b01c90bd7$2617add0$2d42e146@ATARIENGINE>

Hi, All,

    If you read the sales description carefully, the seller
of the glass negative merely says that it looks like a
meteorite to him: "a large pocked marked rock which
I believe is a meteorite."

    His belief that this featureless and indistinct mass
is a meteorite is no evidence of anything. In fact, you
have to take his word (or interpretation) that the mass
is a rock, as the image is too vague to determine even
that with any certainly.


Sterling K. Webb
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Bandli" <fuzzfoot at comcast.net>
To: "'Meteorite List'" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 3:12 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Old Meteorite Photo?



http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=280259809930

Hmmm... any ideas on if this might be meteorite related? I can't find any
info on 'Yellow Dog Mine' and 'meteorite' grouped together.

Kind regards,

Mike Bandli
IMCA #5765




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From meteoritemall at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 31 22:26:23 2008
From: meteoritemall at yahoo.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:26:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] October Sky and Telescope
In-Reply-To: <9E39B116D0B34ACD8C9D96DDF0F6F8AC@portable>
Message-ID: <357287.41832.qm@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Pete,
and all others encountering the problem of where to buy Sky and Telescope Magazine. I've seen S & T magazine at all Barns & Noble, Walden Books, and even some Walmart stores. It is a very important science mag. that is almost always at local libraries too. Here is a link to their website where I'm pretty sure it can also be purchased. http://www.skyandtelescope.com/ 

However, if all that fails I'd be glad to help anyone out that would like the magazine. Just send an email and let me know... 

Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
http://www.mr-meteorite.com
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v


--- On Sun, 8/31/08, Pete Shugar <pshugar at clearwire.net> wrote:

> From: Pete Shugar <pshugar at clearwire.net>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] October Sky and Telescope
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Sunday, August 31, 2008, 7:01 PM
> There doesn't seem to be anywhere here in 
> Amarillo to by it at. If I paypal the funds to 
> someone, can you please get it for me and 
> send it to me?
> Thanks,
> Pete IMCA 1733
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From meteoritemall at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 31 22:37:14 2008
From: meteoritemall at yahoo.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:37:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] October Sky and Telescope
In-Reply-To: <357287.41832.qm@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <869165.70784.qm@web32506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Oops! I just thought of something. I'm not even sure if Sky & Telescope mag. is on the shelves yet. Steve may be a subscriber, and subscribers will definitely receive it before it makes it to the book stores. 

Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
http://www.mr-meteorite.com
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v


--- On Sun, 8/31/08, Ruben Garcia <meteoritemall at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Ruben Garcia <meteoritemall at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] October Sky and Telescope
> To: "Pete Shugar" <pshugar at clearwire.net>
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Sunday, August 31, 2008, 7:26 PM
> Hi Pete,
> and all others encountering the problem of where to buy Sky
> and Telescope Magazine. I've seen S & T magazine at
> all Barns & Noble, Walden Books, and even some Walmart
> stores. It is a very important science mag. that is almost
> always at local libraries too. Here is a link to their
> website where I'm pretty sure it can also be purchased.
> http://www.skyandtelescope.com/ 
> 
> However, if all that fails I'd be glad to help anyone
> out that would like the magazine. Just send an email and let
> me know... 
> 
> Ruben Garcia
> Phoenix, Arizona
> http://www.mr-meteorite.com
> http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v
> 
> 
> --- On Sun, 8/31/08, Pete Shugar
> <pshugar at clearwire.net> wrote:
> 
> > From: Pete Shugar <pshugar at clearwire.net>
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] October Sky and Telescope
> > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Date: Sunday, August 31, 2008, 7:01 PM
> > There doesn't seem to be anywhere here in 
> > Amarillo to by it at. If I paypal the funds to 
> > someone, can you please get it for me and 
> > send it to me?
> > Thanks,
> > Pete IMCA 1733
> > ______________________________________________
> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> 
> 
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