[meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale

[Jerry Flaherty]

Sounds sensible to me.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Farmer" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale



> This is where pricing becomes difficult. Carancas was an extraordinary 

> event. Very little material found, half of what was found was dust. $100 

> gram was a fair price, as I sold out at that price in hours.

> The 13 kilo piece of the Canadian fall weighs as much as nearly all of the 

> Carancas found.  Some pieces sell cheap now because people in Peru and 

> Bolivia held too long, waiting for more money, while I and others filled 

> up all buyers and museums, now there is not the demand because everyone 

> already has it.

>

> Canada is a widespread fall, apparently everyone and their brother  up 

> there has found stones, so they will start trickling out. The videos make 

> this fall a must have. I am not trying to set a price, just mulling over 

> the last decade of falls and the price outcomes and this is where I see it 

> ending up. Depends of course on export etc, but Canadian government will 

> not spend millions of this chondrite. Tagish was a different creature, 

> rarest meteorite almost that ever fell.

> We will see, it will take months to get export permits, time for TKW etc 

> to firm up and tell us more.

> mike

>

>

>

> --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Greg Catterton <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com> wrote:

>

>> From: Greg Catterton <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>

>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale

>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com

>> Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 11:15 AM

>> I agree 100% on this. $50 per gram is too high, the Carancas

>> for example was $100 per gram at first, now it can be had

>> for under $20 per gram.

>> I have read several places that it is only valued at $1 -

>> $10 per gram. I will wait a bit myself.

>>

>> Greg

>>

>>

>> --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Michael Farmer

>> <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com> wrote:

>>

>> > From: Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>

>> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian

>> Meteorite for sale

>> > To: gmhupe at htn.net, meteoriteplaya at gmail.com,

>> MeteorHntr at aol.com

>> > Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com

>> > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 1:10 PM

>> > This meteorite will end up with a retail value of ~$10

>> gram

>> > or so, give or take a few $ and perhaps $25 gram for

>> small

>> > stones. There will be a huge amount of this meteorite

>> found,

>> > the videos show every local schoolkid walking around

>> with

>> > meteorites, and the real hunting hasnt even started

>> yet. The

>> > snow is about to fall, putting the meteorite in deep

>> freeze.

>> > Most of us hunters are talking and planning major

>> hunts for

>> > springtime when the thaw comes.

>> > I forsee at least a few hundred kilos of stones being

>> > found.

>> > Canada will allow export of stones, that wont be a

>> problem

>> > for a common chondrite, since the government will have

>> > plenty of material.

>> > Kudos to Sonny and McCartney, but the price will not

>> be set

>> > be a single sale.

>> > Michael Farmer

>> >

>> >

>> > --- On Fri, 12/5/08, MeteorHntr at aol.com

>> > <MeteorHntr at aol.com> wrote:

>> >

>> > > From: MeteorHntr at aol.com

>> <MeteorHntr at aol.com>

>> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian

>> > Meteorite for sale

>> > > To: gmhupe at htn.net, meteoriteplaya at gmail.com,

>> > meteoriteguy at yahoo.com

>> > > Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com

>> > > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 10:58 AM

>> > > Greg,

>> > >

>> > > As I understand, the Canadian law  was put in

>> place to

>> > give

>> > > Canadian

>> > > Scientists first shot at ALL the grant money  on

>> > research

>> > > for any newly found

>> > > meteorites in Canada.

>> > >

>> > > If any  meteorite is allowed outside the Canadian

>> > borders,

>> > > it would allow

>> > > some other  scientist or institution in another

>> > country to

>> > > get that grant money.

>> > > In  some cases that grant money could total in

>> the

>> > tens of

>> > > thousands or

>> > > hundreds of  thousands of dollars.

>> > >

>> > > I am not sure what Canadian Meteorite Researchers

>>

>> > earn

>> > > each year, but their

>> > > salaries can't be cheap for their employers.

>>

>> > >

>> > > So, as long as the physical rock stayed in

>> Canada,

>> > then no

>> > > harm can be  done

>> > > to the Canadian scientists.

>> > >

>> > > Years ago, I purchased a new Canadian  Meteorite

>> when

>> > I

>> > > drove to Canada.  I

>> > > gave it to a Canadian collector to  hold for me

>> when I

>> > > returned to the states

>> > > to figure out what I wanted to do with  it.  I

>> then

>> > sold

>> > > the ownership of the

>> > > rock to another American meteorite  dealer, even

>> > though the

>> > > rock always

>> > > remained, and to this day it still remains  in

>> Canada.

>> > >

>> > > I would imagine, if this meteorite is indeed an

>> > ordinary

>> > > chondrite, there

>> > > will be little research money given to study it.

>> So

>> > the

>> > > scientists probably

>> > > will not be interested in buying much of it,

>> since

>> > there

>> > > will be little to no

>> > > return on their investment.

>> > >

>> > > If there is  100,000 grams eventually found, they

>> > probably

>> > > will not want to

>> > > pay over $10/g,  or spend $1,000,000 if their

>> grant

>> > money

>> > > they will earn would

>> > > be less than  $1,000,000.

>> > >

>> > > The reason why the Canadians were willing to pay

>> the

>> > one

>> > > guy  $650,000 for

>> > > his 650g Tagish Lake, is because they could make

>> so

>> > much

>> > > MORE  profit off the

>> > > grant money to study that one.

>> > >

>> > > So if any finds from the  Marsden Meteorite are

>> > submitted

>> > > for an export

>> > > permit, all the institutions in  Canada will get

>> to

>> > stall

>> > > for 6 months to

>> > > eventually end up saying that they  don't

>> want to

>> > buy

>> > > any of them, providing that in

>> > > the next 6 months they get more  than enough

>> donated

>> > to

>> > > them for free, or if

>> > > someone else wants to sell them some  at below

>> market

>> > > values.

>> > >

>> > > I think the real question to be asked is HOW do

>> they

>> > > determine what the

>> > > "fair market value" of the meteorites

>> are?

>> > >

>> > > If  Sonny and McCartney can find a buyer for $50

>> a

>> > gram,

>> > > does that then force

>> > > the  government to now pay $50/g IF any others

>> are

>> > found

>> > > and the finders

>> > > choose to  request the export permit, and a

>> Canadian

>> > > institution would to buy them

>> > >  first?   If Sonny or McCartney do not sell all

>> of

>> > their

>> > > finds at their

>> > > asking price of $50/g, maybe they could put one

>> of

>> > their

>> > > finds up on Ebay, with

>> > > the stipulation that the rock will NOT be shipped

>> out

>> > of

>> > > Canada, then Canadian

>> > > bidders could help establish the retail value.

>> Of

>> > course,

>> > > a foreign buyer

>> > > could bid and own it, even though they would not

>> take

>> > > actual physical

>> > > possession  of it.

>> > >

>> > > As I said before, IF the Canadian government is

>> more

>> > than

>> > > willing to pay a

>> > > true fair market value on all found meteorites,

>> then

>> > this

>> > > is  wonderful.  It

>> > > will encourage many people to go out and find

>> > meteorites in

>> > >  Canada knowing

>> > > there is a reward waiting for their finds

>> > >

>> > > Steve  Arnold #1

>> > > www.SteveArnoldMeteorites.com

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > In a  message dated 12/5/2008 11:15:11 A.M.

>> Central

>> > > Standard Time,

>> > > gmhupe at htn.net  writes:

>> > > Hello Mike, Mike and List,

>> > >

>> > > Doesn't the Canadian government  have first

>> right

>> > of

>> > > refusal on any meteorite

>> > > sales/purchases? I thought I  read from one of

>> our

>> > Canadian

>> > > List members that

>> > > only after the Canadian  government, museum or

>> such,

>> > has

>> > > opted not to

>> > > purchase a meteorite, then the  "land

>> owner"

>> > has

>> > > the right to sell the

>> > > meteorite(s).

>> > >

>> > > I'd like to hear  from our Canadian friends

>> to see

>> > if

>> > > there is a clear

>> > > definanition of the  Canadian law regarding this.

>> > >

>> > > Best regards,

>> > > Greg

>> > >

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