[meteorite-list] Need a meteorite picture repository (was Alternative Meteorite Group Track Records)

[Michael L Blood]

Bob,
        I don't see the problem... There are many free photo sites -
Upload your photo, get the URL, put the click-to URL into your
Post to the list and there you are. Hundreds do it. The worst
Case scenario is you have to copy/paste the URL to your browser.
I like "Webshots" :  http://www.webshots.com/   ....because of the
Ease of use and the option to pay a little and expand your capacity,
but there are dozens out there - just choose one
(I will admit there is at least one list member that cannot seem
To get this basic concept, talks about a photo we certainly should
Be sure to see -  and leaves the URL out of his posts....
Concluding with ..."Enjoy!"  - enjoy WHAT?)
        Other than that, how easy can it get, Bob? These sites are
Out there - pick one, use it, post to the list.
        Best wishes, Michael

on 12/26/08 8:14 AM, Bob Loeffler at bobl at peaktopeak.com wrote:


> Hi all,

> 

> I'm not posting this to MikeG's chat group discussion because my idea is not

> the focus of that discussion.

> 

> I see only one thing missing from this Meteorite list:  A picture repository

> for list members who don't have websites.  We can have all of the

> meteorite-related discussions that we so desire on this list, but if a

> member wants to show us pictures of his meteorites, he/she has to use a

> service like Flickr if he/she doesn't have his/her own website.  Flickr and

> some of the others are nice for general use, but then we have pictures

> strewn about all over the web and it's impossible to search for them.  Not

> easy for new members (or old members) to view them.

> 

> What I would like to see is a meteor/meteorite picture storage site that is

> easy to navigate and easy for people to post their pictures to.  It would

> need to be moderated (e.g. someone posts a picture and caption, then the

> moderator would need to OK it before it is viewable by everyone) and you

> would need to be a "member" of the website (free, of course, but donations

> would be good) to be able to post (so it would cut down on "spammer posts").

> The moderator would then prevent the few spammer posts to be uploaded.  Each

> member would get his/her own folder (or album) to post pictures into.  And

> maybe they could create more folders within their main folder.  It would

> need to be searchable (e.g. I want to see all Sikhote Alin meteorites).

> 

> Anyone could become a member, even dealers who already have a website,

> because they might want to share their personal collection with everyone

> else without putting it on their dealer website.  There would be no

> advertising on this, but you could add your website URL to the caption of a

> picture if you want people to be able to easily find your website.  There

> would be NO discussion on the website since we already have a place for

> that.  :-)  Just pictures and their captions.

> 

> It should be able to have it's own website domain name (e.g.

> www.met-list-meteorites.com).  I volunteer to pay the yearly domain name fee

> if others would share the monthly web hosting fee (I could help with that,

> too) and the daily work.  I am too stretched on other volunteer work, so I

> can't do much of the daily moderation (which of course could be done every

> couple of days instead of daily).

> 

> Is there any website system out there that can do this already?  Or is there

> anyone who could make one?

> 

> Thanks and Happy Holidays!

> 

> Regards,

> 

> Bob Loeffler

> COMETS

> http://www.peaktopeak.com/comets/

> 

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com

> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of John

> higgins

> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 8:08 AM

> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com

> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Alternative Meteorite Group Track Records

> 

>  Hi Elton, this post is not in any way intended to be  a attack, trolling,

> disparagement, of you or anyone else who feels the same way. And the

> meteorite working group, would perfer this conversation be OFF-LIST. We

> don't want this to be a meteorite list issue! Instead of discouraging other

> people, which you have obvisouly acclompished with flying colors. Come and

> join in our discussion. Get to know the people you are calling untalented

> auto salesman, and see if when you are done you still think of us as

> selfish, greedy self centered folks, who only have their own self intrest at

> heart. A dicussion is all it is at this point. If the idea gets far, and you

> still disagree. Then bash it all you want. Our group already stated that we

> want a private dicussion, you are trying to bash us in a public forum, not

> very nice. Maybe somebody can make comments on your moral judgement and

> nature for doing so, but that is not in our nature, so we cannot comment on

>  that. I have already responded to your post in Mike's yahoo chat group.

> Anybody who is intrested, should go there and comment. You can find my post

> as well as others at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/meteoriteworkinggroup/

> Have a Great Day!

> John Higgins

> 

> 

> 

> ----- Original Message ----

> From: Mr EMan <mstreman53 at yahoo.com>

> To: valparint at aol.com; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com

> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 2:47:31 AM

> Subject: [meteorite-list] Alternative Meteorite Group Track Records

> 

> Hello Folks--  Season's greetings. I just wanted to share some thoughts on 

> forming new meteorite interest groups--past empire building in the meteorite

> world in general and why some succeeded and some failed. Please, no one take

> this as an attack, trolling,disparagement, discouragement, or a "dissing" of

> anyone.  It is not directed at any one, although it may have been bumped to

> the forefront by Mike's recent thread. An honest idea was proposed and I am

> not per se addressing his proposal in any way so please keep an open mind. 

> On this list we are as close as can be to inclusive(99%) in having a

> collection of members within the existing meteorite interest niches.  As a

> long time member  with observations regarding "empire building" as an

> alternative to the Meteorite Central list, The Meteorite Times web space,

> IMCA, etc.  there have been a plenty.  I could list a long string of people

> who wanted to make a big splash campaigning to

>  improve/perfect the

> culture they did not remotely understand. In spite of -- or because of--self

> caused blunders, there were many patient old timers willing to  advise them

> on how to get oriented to the list rather than making the list fit around

> them.  They tried to help them get up to speed and direction with the

> technical side, the meteorite market, and the meteorite culture often being

> rebuffed, accused of trying to squash competition, or rejected as not

> knowing what they were talking about.  What was hard for some  novices to

> accept was that their own mindset was the reason they were unable to make

> inroads into the community as a true mover/shaker.  There were many more

> that took the help and are strong respected contributors today.

> 

> Not wanting to get in their way, the long-time members stepped aside,

> letting them fall into craters of their own making--some many times over. 

> Many, many, times we have seen Internet/ web page savvy folks offer to

> provide  "alternatives

> " to the meteorite forum communities.  For the majority of those past

> forums, I'd have to look hard to see if they were still around.  Some were

> more noble than others.  There were some who spend a lot of effort making

> dust clouds promoting a solution looking for a problem.  When the dust

> settled they sat wondering what went wrong and why their enterprise/forum/

> efforts failed to hold attention. 

> 

> Just in passing, there are several meteorite interest groups/ mailing lists:

> some active but with only duplicate postings, some are inactive/abandoned

> with only newbie postings who never bothered to look at the membership

> numbers or posting activity,  some private technical lists which are by

> invitation only, and of course-- the dealer's own list where ads go directly

> to the member.  For reasons beyond the scope of this babbling of mine, 99%

> of all the inhabitable niches for this hobby have been taken and are being

> served well by the host. There is a saturation point and economy-of-scale

> even in this field of interest.  In the words of a frequent poster "it is a

> free county" so anyone coould feel free to start up all the groups or forums

> they wish--the Internet is a very large place.  Those that offer a truly

> unique and desirable service will last and those that are offering another

> way to slice up the limited pie won't--  and will end up on the ash

>  pile

> of Internet redundancy entirely on their own. Those that did succeed, did so

> by offering real value and in an unselfish manner within many many manhours

> and personal expense to do so.

> 

> What I found is that people who take shortcuts don't succeed: those who rely

> too much on assumptions, those that don't take a thoughtful look at the true

> market for their service, those that overestimate their expertise and time

> committment, those that don't attempt a basic understanding of the meteorite

> science to understand the commodity.  Basically those who arrive thinking

> their personal marketing talents will overcome technical, knowledge, and

> cultural issues-- don't last over the long haul.  Perhaps potential members

> are jaded by all the flash-in-the night sky "dealers" so they come to accept

> those proven members only after a long time of watching how they behave.  I

> don't know of any shortcut to this period of watching and slowly winning

> people over. 

> 

> This community isn't a automobile dealership, it isn't a church, it isn't

> the Elks, it isn't a group of folks with a lot of mandated loyalty--it is a

> field where you are known by your reputation--reputation means everything to

> the majority of people.  You can't forge (as in fake ) those credentials ;

> you have to forge them (as in earn them) by hard work over time.  That seems

> to be the final obstacle to work through by those offering an alternative

> folks are willing sign up for.  I've probably been ignored, filtered, and

> moderated over the years more than 99% of the folks here so I I feel like I

> know much of the list from both sides.  I do wish any and everyone who is

> willing to go it for the long haul the best of success. If you promote it

> for the love of meteorites instead the love of self then you'll have a

> better shot at long term success.

> 

> Elton

> 

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