[meteorite-list] Ohio and Indiana gold, silver, and diamonds

[E.P. Grondine]

Hi Sterling, all - 

One would hope that these professional geologists were sufficiently skilled not to misdate these deposits. We'll see...

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas

--- On Tue, 7/8/08, Sterling K. Webb <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net> wrote:


> From: Sterling K. Webb <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>

> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ohio and Indiana gold, silver, and diamonds

> To: epgrondine at yahoo.com, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com

> Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 5:37 PM

> Hi, EP, List,

> 

> EP wrote:

> > I think the edge of the glacial maximum is

> > well known to be north, so they are left looking

> > for a transport mechanism.

> 

>     I will just quote from my Post of 07-03-08:

> The drainage basin of the Ohio river shows plentiful

> evidence of this. There are glacial deposits in Kentucky,

> which is further south than Ohio (in case they haven't

> looked south across the river from Cincinnati lately).

> http://books.google.com/books?id=8eFSK4o--M0C&pg=PA376&lpg=PA376&dq=southernmost+glacial+erratic+US&source=web&ots=2NcIEXv_S_&sig=IGLmBdjw-oyZJUteovXiSv-FagA&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result

> (* The Kentucky glacial deposits are from an earlier

> glaciation, not the Laurentide, but who knows when the

> diamonds were deposited?)

> 

>     In ruling out glacial transport of diamonds, it is

> necessary

> to rule out ALL glacial transport from Canada at any

> Pleistocene

> time unless you have an in situ datable deposit ready to

> read.

> The last glaciation was just that: the LAST one. There have

> been four major ones over the last two million years.

> 

>     It's all recent history.

> 

>     Speaking of recent history, let's talk about

> meltwater (they

> do). "Meltwater" means the Great Lakes. Before

> the glaciation,

> they were a nice big Rift Valley, like in Africa.

> Here's a dated

> graphic of the Great Lakes growth and the glaciers

> shrinkage

> history in relation to size of lakes and position of the

> Ice Cap:

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Glacial_lakes.jpg

> and another with the retreat in detail (third map down

> page):

> http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/EarthSC202Notes/GLACgeog.HTM

> 

>     You'll notice the ice didn't just

> "vanish." It retreated. It

> took a long time doing it. The retreat is easily datable at

> thousands of sites along the retreat. You'll note

> there's no

> great, sudden flood, Noah, baby!

> 

>     There's another problem with this imaginary

> reconstruction

> of the end of the Ice Age. I pointed out in a previous Post

> that

> the Amazonian Rain Forest is NOT an ancient, primeval

> feature but a Post-Glacial Development. The modern Earth

> has many mighty continent-spanning features we think of as

> ancient and primeval but that are only more Glacial or

> Post-Glacial

> Developments, like the Sahara Desert and -- most important

> here -- the Mississippi River and the ENTIRE drainage

> system

> of the Americn Midwest.

> 

>     Before the Ice Age, ALL the rivers in the interior of

> the US,

> from the Rockies to the Apalachians and south to Kentucky

> and Missouri drained to the NORTH! They were short,

> meandering and sluggish because the downslope gradient

> was not great, but eventually most of them got to the

> Arctic Ocean. Tracing the ancient water courses headed

> north has been going on for a century; it's a great way

> to

> train grad students...

> 

>     There were meltwater channels coming out from under

> the glaciers and running south for a while, however the

> Ohio

> glacer retreated early (see the graphics in the URL's

> above).

> But from the north edge of Ohio to the Ohio River, it's

> all

> UPHILL.

> 

>     My experience? It's hard to persuade rivers to run

> uphill.

> 

> 

> Sterling K. Webb

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> ----- Original Message ----- 

> From: "E.P. Grondine"

> <epgrondine at yahoo.com>

> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>

> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 1:44 PM

> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ohio and Indiana gold,

> silver, and diamonds

> 

> 

> Hello everyone -

> 

> I did not cover "Hopewell" silver and gold trade

> in my book, as the items 

> were rare and there are multiple small deposits throughout

> eastern North 

> America to account for them.

> 

> I have been driving through this area (Greenville to

> Cincinatti) on my way 

> to and from powwow, and I don't know if what I have

> learned will be of any 

> value, but here goes.

> 

> What this team seems to have found is gold, sliver, and

> diamond deposits 

> sourced from Canada, and dated ca 10,900 BCE. I think the

> edge of the 

> glacial maximum is well known to be north, so they are left

> looking for a 

> transport mechanism.

> 

> Obviously they know nothing of the mechanics of hyper

> velocity impact - it 

> is frustrating that Dr. Peiser and has taken the Cambridge

> Conference and 

> his abilities in other directions, and the Holocene Impact

> Working Group 

> does not seem to have found these folks yet.

> 

> There are two main streams running north to south through

> the region. One is 

> 7 mile Creek, the other the Whitewater River. There was

> extensive later 

> occupation along the Whitewater, with major complexes near

> Richmond, Indiana 

> from the archaic on. Sterling, that appears to be your melt

> channels. The 

> timing the team seems to have, but the cause?...

> 

> Among the Europeans at the time of conquest there were

> extensive rumors of 

> Shawnee silver, source unknown. These rumors have

> fascinated local people 

> for a long time. In the "Treaty" of Vinceennes,

> Benjamin Henry Harrison even 

> reserved a piece of land on the Vermillion River off of the

> Wabash which he 

> thought was the silver source.

> 

> I had thought that the silver came from DeSoto's

> expedition, as they placed 

> small silver crosses on the foreheads of

> "friendly" Natives to distinguish 

> them from enemy peoples in battle. Perhaps these deposits

> may explain De 

> Soto's routes and activities, but who knows? Much

> later, French traders 

> brought in small crosses and other trinkets.

> 

> In closing, in as much as the exploration of recent impact

> sites is a new 

> field of science, could I ask you to keep your comments

> civil?

> 

> E.P. Grondine

> Man and Impact in the Americas

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