From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Sat Mar  1 00:07:57 2008
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:07:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 1, 2008
Message-ID: <24426912.72731204348077347.JavaMail.root@mbs6.homesteadmail.com>


http://www.rocksfromspace.org/March_1_2008.html


From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  1 08:51:45 2008
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 05:51:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] looking for nwa 869
Message-ID: <422639.48008.qm@web57803.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Good morning list.Quick and short.I am looking for a
300 to 500 gram endcut of NWA 869.It has to have  been
polished if possible.Please let me know off-list.

Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!!
       The Asteroid Belt!
      http://chicagometeorites.net/
      Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999
      Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites



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From edeckert at triad.rr.com  Sat Mar  1 10:36:16 2008
From: edeckert at triad.rr.com (Ed Deckert)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 10:36:16 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Wanting Back Issue of Meteorite magazine
References: <020d01c8774a$da65f7a0$6501a8c0@EdDeckertMain>
Message-ID: <023b01c87bb1$fd3117e0$6401a8c0@EdDeckertMain>

Hi List,

I have located a copy of this magazine.  Thank you for your assistance.

Ed

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Deckert" <edeckert at triad.rr.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 8:07 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Wanting Back Issue of Meteorite magazine


> Hi List!
>
> I am looking for a copy of the August, 2002 issue of Meteorite Magazine. 
> This is the issue that has the article "Quest for Planetary Meteorites" by 
> Greg Hupe.  I would like to have a copy so I can make it part of my 
> traveling meteorite display.  It would be a perfect fit along with my part 
> slice of NWA 1195.
>
> If anyone has a copy available, and the cost for which will not require my 
> parting with the deed to my house, (I need it reasonably priced) please 
> contact me off-list.
>
> Many thanks!
>
> Ed
>
> -------------------------------------------
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From nightsky55 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  1 10:57:20 2008
From: nightsky55 at gmail.com (Bob King)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 09:57:20 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Meteorite Crater Study Kit for trade
Message-ID: <99c1e91a0803010757o747e2bc4s90b599ae4699e64e@mail.gmail.com>

Hi listees,
I have for trade a boxed "Meteorite Crater Study Kit" from the
venerable American Meteorite Laboratory. It contains a card-mounted
Canyon Diablo meteorite fragment, two frothy, card-mounted Canyon
Diablo impactites, a special foldout brochure with metallic spheroids
titled "Sparks from a Celestial Bomb" and Nininger's 65-page booklet
"A Comet Strikes the Earth" with a mounted CD meteorite fragment in a
cool, circular window. All in nice condition.
I'm looking for a stable Gibeon endcut (etched would be nice but not
critical) or part slice of Itqiy. I'd be happy to e-mail anyone a
photo of the complete kit. Thanks!
Bob

From daistiho at hotmail.com  Sat Mar  1 12:08:10 2008
From: daistiho at hotmail.com (tracy latimer)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 17:08:10 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Sales page update - New & Rare Material
In-Reply-To: <397616.64016.qm@web51001.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <20080229232625.BF71C10563@mailwash5.pair.com>
	<397616.64016.qm@web51001.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY115-W2381D6617645F4179B1B9FCA150@phx.gbl>


I couldn't agree more about the ITQIY.  I have a thumbnail sized slice, and consider myself fortunate.  What an oddball crystalline structure.

Tracy Latimer

> Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:24:19 -0800
> From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com
> To: fuzzfoot at comcast.net; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Sales page update - New & Rare Material
>
> Very nice selections, Mike.
>
> My favorite there is The cutie IQTY. This is a unique and often under
> appreciated stone. Worth a visit alone to see this uniquely structured
> stone.
>
> Regards,
> Elton
>
> --- Mike Bandli  wrote:
>
>> Good Evening,
>>
>> I have added some exceptional specimens to my sales page including:
>>
>> Mini fusion-crusted Martian individuals
>> Claxton
>> Ensisheim
>> Pena Blanca Spring
>> Palca de Aparzo ? Rare COMPLETE STONE!
>> A fresh, complete Allende with a HUGE chondrule void
>> And more?
>>
>> http://astroartifacts.com/Astroartifacts/Met_4_Sale_Template.html
>>
>> Thanks for looking!
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Mike Bandli
>> www.Astro-Artifacts.com
>> IMCA #5765
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From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Sat Mar  1 13:20:53 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 01 Mar 2008 18:20:53 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Itqiy "Oddball"
Message-ID: <DIIE.000000BF0000277E@paulinet.de>

Tracy writes:

"I couldn't agree more about the ITQIY. I have a thumbnail sized slice,
and consider myself fortunate. What an oddball crystalline structure."


Hello Tracy, Elton and List,

Same here ... small, thin, 0.5-gram slice of this unique, ungrouped, enstatite-rich,
metal-rich meteorite. There are several reasons why Tracy calls Itqiy an "oddball"
and here are just a few of these reasons:

1. Two pieces recovered after a detonation and the appearance of light
2. The larger piece shows delicate flowlines
3. Equigranular texture showing numerous triple junctions
4. Itqiy contains kamacite (low nickel) only and no taenite (high nickel)
5. Classified as an EH7-an, it also has features that belong to the EL-group (see no. 6 and 8)
6. Sulfides intermediate between typical E-chondrite niningerite and alabandite

Expl.: alabandite is typical of EL chondrites/ningerite is typical of EH chondrites
alabandite = (Mn,Fe)S - niningerite = (Mg,Fe)S

7. Chondrite with an achondritic texture (see: triple junctions)
8. Pyroxene chemically similar to enstatite in EL chondrites, but metal
closer in composition to that in EH chondrites.
9. Similar to Zaklodzie but different from Zaklodzie

Best regards,

Bernd





From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  1 16:19:44 2008
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 13:19:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] the bullit
Message-ID: <379259.73974.qm@web57810.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi again list.It just keeps getting better for me
meteorite wise.For all you guys and gals who were in
tucson,remember in mike farmers room when he had some
choice sikote-alins?I was able to pry the THE BULLIT
from him.A completely oriented top flowlined beauty.It
also has on the most of the bottom like chuncks gnawed
out.A thing of beauty.Thanks again mike for making
this available.

Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!!
       The Asteroid Belt!
      http://chicagometeorites.net/
      Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999
      Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites



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From cynapse at charter.net  Sat Mar  1 17:45:31 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 17:45:31 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] the bullit
In-Reply-To: <379259.73974.qm@web57810.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <379259.73974.qm@web57810.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <vsmjs3hr8jt3l361s1kv6kpjslherekdh6@4ax.com>

On Sat, 1 Mar 2008 13:19:44 -0800 (PST), you wrote:

>tucson,remember in mike farmers room when he had some
>choice sikote-alins?I was able to pry the THE BULLIT
>from him.

Sucker!  For just one bullet, you could have had ALL of Mike Farmer's
collection!  Briefly, of course.  But you could think about that bright, shining
moment whenever pitching woo with your cellmate Bubba.

From rsvp321 at hotmail.com  Sat Mar  1 17:56:57 2008
From: rsvp321 at hotmail.com (Pete Pete)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 17:56:57 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] the bullit
In-Reply-To: <vsmjs3hr8jt3l361s1kv6kpjslherekdh6@4ax.com>
References: <379259.73974.qm@web57810.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<vsmjs3hr8jt3l361s1kv6kpjslherekdh6@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <BAY141-W344197E5989190B5E399B1F8150@phx.gbl>


Bubba - who also teaches Spell-Check 101.



----------------------------------------
> From: cynapse at charter.net
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 17:45:31 -0500
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] the bullit
> 
> On Sat, 1 Mar 2008 13:19:44 -0800 (PST), you wrote:
> 
> >tucson,remember in mike farmers room when he had some
> >choice sikote-alins?I was able to pry the THE BULLIT
> >from him.
> 
> Sucker!  For just one bullet, you could have had ALL of Mike Farmer's
> collection!  Briefly, of course.  But you could think about that bright, shining
> moment whenever pitching woo with your cellmate Bubba.
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From bobe5531 at comcast.net  Sat Mar  1 18:28:56 2008
From: bobe5531 at comcast.net (Bob Evans)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 17:28:56 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] the bullit & Sikhotes'
References: <379259.73974.qm@web57810.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003301c87bf4$059e5b80$0201a8c0@yourae066c3a9b>

Steve,
Too bad you are on a SA kick at this point. If you remember that tent at 
Erichs' hotel that had more pretty Sikhotes than the rest of Tucson.
Thats where I obtained the only SA that I bought in Tucson. A nice 
individual that was just about to be torn apart but stopped just in time to 
make it one cool looking piece. I'll have to put it on Michael Johnsons pic 
of the day, someday.

To my surprise the same multi kilo oriented sheild SA that I admired at 
Tucson 07 was still there this year. Same price too.Yep, thats right no 
price increase. But after dropping plenty of lettuce with Haag that pretty 
oriented shield SA will just have to wait for me til next year. Im not 
exactly an Iron fanatic. Watched too many crumble before my eyes. No 
Sikhotes though.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "steve arnold" <stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 3:19 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] the bullit


> Hi again list.It just keeps getting better for me
> meteorite wise.For all you guys and gals who were in
> tucson,remember in mike farmers room when he had some
> choice sikote-alins?I was able to pry the THE BULLIT
> from him.A completely oriented top flowlined beauty.It
> also has on the most of the bottom like chuncks gnawed
> out.A thing of beauty.Thanks again mike for making
> this available.
>
> Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!!
>       The Asteroid Belt!
>      http://chicagometeorites.net/
>      Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999
>      Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites
>
>
>
> 
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From p.marmet at mysunrise.ch  Sat Mar  1 18:53:32 2008
From: p.marmet at mysunrise.ch (Peter Marmet)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 00:53:32 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - ebay: Historic Falls!
Message-ID: <2654DE56-D7E7-45D4-84FC-73E0BE237E4D@mysunrise.ch>

Hi All,

I have 12 auctions - mainly historic falls - ending in less than 1 day:

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZpema9

Thank you,
Peter


Peter Marmet
Bern, Switzerland
IMCA #2747
p.marmet at mysunrise.ch
http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/
ebay: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZpema9

From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  1 19:56:55 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 16:56:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Sikhote-alin Bullet
Message-ID: <880792.24270.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Check out this little oriented Sikhote bullet.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=140211035108


From dmerchan at rochester.rr.com  Sat Mar  1 21:24:51 2008
From: dmerchan at rochester.rr.com (Don Merchant)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 21:24:51 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: RARE METEORITE STAMP EXTRAVAGANZA on Ebay
	ENDING
Message-ID: <000301c87c0c$98fcb850$6401a8c0@donaldmerchant>

Hi List. For those wanting my Rare Extravaganza of Meteorite Stamps to 
display in your Meteorite Collections my Auction on EBay will end in less 
then 24 hours! 9:15 pm EST Sunday night for those living on the East Coast 
and 6:15 pm PST Sunday night for those of you living on the west coast. 
These are Gorgeous for any Collection and have not been easy to put together 
in Perfect MNH (Mint Never Hinged) Condition as a group like this. Click on 
the site below and thank you for looking and good luck to the Winner!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=160210424929&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=006
Sincerely
Don Merchant
IMCA #0960 


From star-bits at tx.rr.com  Sat Mar  1 21:55:34 2008
From: star-bits at tx.rr.com (star-bits at tx.rr.com)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 18:55:34 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] ad - website update
Message-ID: <28595541.1204426534538.JavaMail.root@web19>

Greetings all

    After processing over a thousand photos in the last week today I dropped my camera and so the rest of the website will have to wait a bit.  I have updated and added a number of meteorites to my website.   The additions include

new Allende individuals
Bassikounou
Chergach or Erg Chech or Mali (whatever the final name will be) small individuals and melt pieces
Ibitira a super part slice
Imilac part slices
NWA 2987 Martian shergottite crusted individuals
Veevers
Vigarano
Yilmia and others.

     Check them all out at <http://www.star-bits.com>

     I also have some ebay auctions going right now.   See them at 

<http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=katy2kary>


--
Eric Olson
7682 Firethorn Dr
Fayetteville, NC 28311

http://www.star-bits.com

From SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com  Sun Mar  2 06:11:40 2008
From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com (SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 06:11:40 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 2, 2008
Message-ID: <c18.2d3536a2.34fbe56c@aol.com>

http://www.spacerocksinc.com/March_2_2008.html










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From grf2 at verizon.net  Sun Mar  2 08:38:09 2008
From: grf2 at verizon.net (Jerry)
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 08:38:09 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 2,
 2008
In-Reply-To: <c18.2d3536a2.34fbe56c@aol.com>
References: <c18.2d3536a2.34fbe56c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <143552775EE44DDB8F907BCDD0E3E30E@Notebook>

Is that dragon smiling??
Jeff, you're pictures are always unique. Care to share how you isolate your 
meteorite from its background to create that "lost in space" effect??
Jerry Flaherty
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 6:11 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 2, 
2008


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From jbrady1 at orange.net  Sun Mar  2 09:30:32 2008
From: jbrady1 at orange.net (jim brady)
Date: Sun,  2 Mar 2008 14:30:32 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD~ ebay auctions ending soon~and thank you for
	removing lacquer info
Message-ID: <1924286617.1204468232957.JavaMail.wbs51@mspap530>

Greetings listees
       some may be interested in a few little auctions ending soon today.

Of note perhaps:
39.5 gram block cut of NWA 2424 (provisional) CV3 plucked from the hot desert
currently at about $3 a gram
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=320222323581
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

75 gram sikhote-alin partially oriented with dozens of flowlines and rippled pools on leading edge
currently at about oooh, 70 cents a gram

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=320221490485

please click on the 'view sellers other auctions' too please ,only a few on there today,some nice ones in my shop too

and many thanks to all who responded to my request for info on removing lacquer from Imilac specimen.Much appreciated

All the best from Belfast
Jim 

From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  2 12:25:05 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 09:25:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Sean Murray, please email me back
Message-ID: <952394.54279.qm@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Sean, I saw your email in my spam box just as it was
being deleted, I did not read it. Please email me
back.
Michael Farmer

From wahlperry at aol.com  Sun Mar  2 12:38:45 2008
From: wahlperry at aol.com (wahlperry at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 12:38:45 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Sale ad  /  Franconia meteorite 508 grams
Message-ID: <8CA4AA3663F437E-CE4-AA26@webmail-nf15.sim.aol.com>

Hi ,

I have a 508 gram Franconia meteorite for sale. Beautiful fusion crust 
/ desert varnish, museum quality piece. It would be hard to find one 
this nice anymore. $ 1.50 per gram. Contact off list.


http://www.nevadameteorites.com/id20.htm

Thanks,

Sonny

www.nevadameteorites.com

From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  2 13:00:15 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 10:00:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] another day in the life of a meteoritehunter
Message-ID: <851637.35646.qm@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

This is the usual daily drivel I get from the Peruvian
nut. Can someone please tell him that a trial is for
people who have been arrested and charged with a
crime. He seems to think there is some sort of
upcoming trial against me in the USA and Peru. One as
to break laws to he tried.
While fun to play with him, I do see him as a stalker
at this point.
Michael Farmer

--- Randall Gregory <r.randall.gregory at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 12:42:24 -0500
> From: "Randall Gregory"
> <r.randall.gregory at gmail.com>
> To: "Michael Farmer" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Litigation
> 
> Mr. Farmer,
> 
> I am quite pleased that you have decided to pursue
> litigation and hope that
> you would hire
> attorneys in the $300 and up hourly rate, to make
> this challenging for me.
> 
> It would be prudent that you start to learn about
> the legal process in the
> United States.
> During breaks, read up on IRS tax laws, national
> treasure laws, import and
> export laws,
> Intellectual Property laws, international treaties,
> and laws in South
> America.
> 
> I would suggest:
> Read a general introduction book on tort law. (UofA
> campus bookstore)
> Become familar with pre-trial procedures, especially
> interrogatories.
> Get an appreciation for case preparation and
> evidence processing.
> Should you really want to gear up for this, get a
> free account at FindLaw.
> Become familar with on-line legal databases.
> The more work you do, the less you have to pay an
> attorney.
> 
> As far as Peruvian Law is concerned, there's not
> much you can do. I'm
> certain
> that you received our legal notices requiring you to
> appear. They were sent
> to your Arizona address on two separate ocassions
> and my attorney has the receipts. Lost in the mail
> is not a possibility!
> Since you failed to
> appear, you were tried and convicted in Absentia. My
> 5th expedition to
> the crater was for legal purposes. Getting the
> Carancas roof was a sideline.
> This conviction will be used against you should you
> decide to enter
> *any *country
> in South America.
> Extradiction to Peru may be possible but that
> depends on many factors.
> 
> One last word to you.
> 
> I'm going to do everything in my power to *legally*
> destroy your business.
> Stop and
> think. How can Randall accomplish this? When you
> realize how I can do this,
> then you'll know what I know.
> 
> 
> Randall Gregory
> 
> 
> Each day has only 86,400 seconds
> 


From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  2 13:10:12 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 10:10:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad: Last of the LDG up for grabs today.
Message-ID: <241713.85796.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Ok, my last post about this, as I am leaving very soon
on a very long trip. I will be gone nearly one month. 
I am down to about 3 kilos of glass left, the rest is
already in Asia, so anyone who I missed or who might
want some spectacular glass, last either 3 1 kilo lots
or one 3 kilo lot up for grabs, $1000 per kilo or 3
kilos for $2500.00

These are the top pieces, no white or opaque, all
nicely green or yellow, very clear pieces.

Michael Farmer



From meteoritemall at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  2 18:37:49 2008
From: meteoritemall at yahoo.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:37:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Cool Youtube video of Mike Farmer "Meteorite
	Hunter!"
Message-ID: <555205.74249.qm@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Just surfing youtube and saw this. 

Hey Mike, Did you include me in the 15 pro meteorite
hunters? 

Great stuff dude! Keep up the good work..

 Here it is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPkCc0NqjZQ

Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
http://www.mr-meteorite.com


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From mlblood at cox.net  Sun Mar  2 19:20:19 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 16:20:19 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD
In-Reply-To: <1924286617.1204468232957.JavaMail.wbs51@mspap530>
Message-ID: <C3F08443.146E4%mlblood@cox.net>

I noted with interest a small piece of Barbotan on eBay. I left a reasonable
Bid on it and just checked it out.....
        It had sold for over $5,000.00 per gram.
        I have what I believe are the last 3 specimens available in the
world on my hammer site (if anyone knows where I can get more, please
Contact me off list - reward!)
        I will hold this price until the first one sells. To see these
extremely rare specimens click on the photos at the following site:

http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Hammers.html

They are easy to find - Barbotan is the oldest Hammer listed (1790)
        Best wishes, Michael
PS: Under 1999 you can find I have 3 last Kobe (Japanese hammer)
Specimens left, as well as numerous other recent additions to the page.



From mikewren at gilanet.com  Sun Mar  2 19:27:48 2008
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 17:27:48 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: New Hammer Stones added to my ebay store !!
	ST. LOUIS, Smashed a Car!
Message-ID: <200803021729701.SM01732@yourfsyly0jtwn>

Hello,

I added about 30 new items this weekend. some very pricey, but extremely
rare pieces!

St. Louis, 1 kilo stone hit a car!

One of the largest pieces of Wethersfield (1971) in private hands!

More rare Crescent. down to my last specimens.

Go to:

http://stores.ebay.com/Voyage-Botanica-Natural-History


Thanks and Best Wishes

Michael Cottingham



From grf2 at verizon.net  Sun Mar  2 19:55:22 2008
From: grf2 at verizon.net (Jerry)
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 19:55:22 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] What week in February is the 2009 Tucson show
Message-ID: <D376AD4EF7E946368882682AF4598C67@Notebook>

We're looking to book early. Can somebody give me next year's dates??
Thanks in advance.
Jerry Flaherty

From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  2 20:02:15 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 17:02:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] What week in February is the 2009 Tucson show
In-Reply-To: <D376AD4EF7E946368882682AF4598C67@Notebook>
Message-ID: <329808.81999.qm@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

It is like the 28th Jan till like the 13th of Feb.
Mike
--- Jerry <grf2 at verizon.net> wrote:

> We're looking to book early. Can somebody give me
> next year's dates??
> Thanks in advance.
> Jerry Flaherty
> ______________________________________________
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>
http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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From grf2 at verizon.net  Sun Mar  2 20:23:16 2008
From: grf2 at verizon.net (Jerry)
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 20:23:16 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] What week in February is the 2009 Tucson show
In-Reply-To: <329808.81999.qm@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <329808.81999.qm@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CC142CED3A3B468CA8880674C1A5CFAC@Notebook>

Thanks Mike. Great video on utube!!
Jerry Flaherty
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Farmer" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
To: "Jerry" <grf2 at verizon.net>; "meteorite List" 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What week in February is the 2009 Tucson show


> It is like the 28th Jan till like the 13th of Feb.
> Mike
> --- Jerry <grf2 at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> We're looking to book early. Can somebody give me
>> next year's dates??
>> Thanks in advance.
>> Jerry Flaherty
>> ______________________________________________
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>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
> 


From Impactika at aol.com  Sun Mar  2 21:01:25 2008
From: Impactika at aol.com (Impactika at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 21:01:25 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] What week in February is the 2009 Tucson show
Message-ID: <bb8.230c00f9.34fcb5f5@aol.com>

In a message dated 3/2/2008 6:02:35 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
meteoriteguy at yahoo.com writes:
It is like the 28th Jan till like the 13th of  Feb.
Mike
--- Jerry <grf2 at verizon.net> wrote:

> We're  looking to book early. Can somebody give me
> next year's dates??
>  Thanks in advance.
> Jerry Flaherty
>  ______________________________________________


It is from January 31 to February 14. 
Didn't you sign up Mike?

Anne M.  Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
IMPACTIKA at aol.com
Vice-President, I.M.C.A.  Inc.
www.IMCA.cc
 



**************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living.      
(http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/
2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  2 21:08:09 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 18:08:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] What week in February is the 2009 Tucson show
In-Reply-To: <bb8.230c00f9.34fcb5f5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <343806.31432.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Yes, but the paper is lost somewhere in my office. 
I have been cleaning that today:) It might take a
while yet.
Michael Farmer
--- Impactika at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 3/2/2008 6:02:35 P.M. Mountain
> Standard Time,  
> meteoriteguy at yahoo.com writes:
> It is like the 28th Jan till like the 13th of  Feb.
> Mike
> --- Jerry <grf2 at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> > We're  looking to book early. Can somebody give me
> > next year's dates??
> >  Thanks in advance.
> > Jerry Flaherty
> >  ______________________________________________
> 
> 
> It is from January 31 to February 14. 
> Didn't you sign up Mike?
> 
> Anne M.  Black
> www.IMPACTIKA.com
> IMPACTIKA at aol.com
> Vice-President, I.M.C.A.  Inc.
> www.IMCA.cc
>  
> 
> 
> 
> **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch
> video on AOL Living.      
>
(http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/
> 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)
> 


From Impactika at aol.com  Sun Mar  2 21:15:53 2008
From: Impactika at aol.com (Impactika at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 21:15:53 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] What week in February is the 2009 Tucson show
Message-ID: <c5c.2a0212a2.34fcb959@aol.com>

In a message dated 3/2/2008 7:08:19 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
meteoriteguy at yahoo.com writes:
Yes, but the paper is lost somewhere in my  office. 
I have been cleaning that today:) It might take a
while  yet.
Michael Farmer
---------------------------------------------
 
Have fun!!!!
I finally got mine in order. More or less. It is snowing, so nothing better  
to do.
Now I am working on my website!!!!    
 
And to answer another question, I would guess that the Birthday Party  will 
be Friday Feb. 6 and the Auction will be on Saturday Feb. 7.
 
Geoff?  Cap't Blood????
 
Anne
 

--- Impactika at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 3/2/2008  6:02:35 P.M. Mountain
> Standard Time,  
>  meteoriteguy at yahoo.com writes:
> It is like the 28th Jan till like the  13th of  Feb.
> Mike
> --- Jerry <grf2 at verizon.net>  wrote:
> 
> > We're  looking to book early. Can somebody  give me
> > next year's dates??
> >  Thanks in  advance.
> > Jerry Flaherty
> >   ______________________________________________
> 
> 
> It is  from January 31 to February 14. 
> Didn't you sign up Mike?
>  
> Anne M.  Black
> www.IMPACTIKA.com
>  IMPACTIKA at aol.com
> Vice-President, I.M.C.A.  Inc.
>  www.IMCA.cc





**************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living.      
(http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/
2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

From pshugar at clearwire.net  Sun Mar  2 21:44:33 2008
From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 20:44:33 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] PENA BLANCA SPRING
Message-ID: <002301c87cd8$89507230$b4835d4b@laptop>

Hello List,
I'm looking to aquire a sample of Pena Blanca Spring, 1/2 to 1 gram size.
Please contact me off list.
Thanks,
Pete


From rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com  Sun Mar  2 23:06:19 2008
From: rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com (Rob Wesel)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 20:06:19 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Large Lunar Purchase - Looking for Partner(s)
Message-ID: <00a901c87ce3$f00048b0$6501a8c0@windows9bb74fe>

Hello all

I am looking for collectors or sellers who would be interested in 20+ gram 
lunar lots at wholesale prices.

New material, fully classified and submitted for naming by a US institution.

Please contact me off list if interested.

Thanks,

Rob Wesel
http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
------------------
We are the music makers...
and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
Willy Wonka, 1971




From geoking at notkin.net  Mon Mar  3 00:08:06 2008
From: geoking at notkin.net (Notkin)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 22:08:06 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] What week in February is the 2009 Tucson show
In-Reply-To: <c5c.2a0212a2.34fcb959@aol.com>
References: <c5c.2a0212a2.34fcb959@aol.com>
Message-ID: <9df88c2d650ed427099a61349d87dfa0@notkin.net>

Anne Black wrote:

> And to answer another question, I would guess that the Birthday Party  
> will
> be Friday Feb. 6 and the Auction will be on Saturday Feb. 7.
>
> Geoff?  Cap't Blood????


Are you kidding me? I still haven't recovered from this year's events.

Lisa said there was beer left in the cooler from the party and I 
definitely have wine and champagne (sorry "method champenoise") sitting 
in my fridge. I'd go on record as saying "No more parties," but I know 
you'd never allow it.

And apparently that rock 'n' roller Maria Haas made off with Ruben's 
smashed-up guitar. I wanted to put it on eBay!  : )


Salut,

Geoff N.

www.aerolite.org
www.campometeorites.com


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Mon Mar  3 00:30:39 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 21:30:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Dawn Journal - February 29, 2008
Message-ID: <200803030530.VAA10714@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://dawn.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/journal_2_29_08.asp

Dawn Journal
Dr. Marc Rayman
February 29, 2008

Dear Phildawnthropists,

Treating intercalary days just as it does most other days in its
interplanetary cruise, today Dawn continues patiently and ever-so-gently
reshaping its orbit around the Sun with the delicate yet persistent push
from its ion propulsion system. The beam of xenon applies a force less
than 8 millionths of what the spacecraft would feel from gravity at the
surface of Earth. The effect of such a bone-rattling 8 micro-g
acceleration is very modest indeed, as discussed in a log written while 
Dawn was still on that now-remote planet.

All of the thrusting so far in the mission has changed the spacecraft's
speed by 420 meters per second (940 miles per hour), about 10% of which
was from the tests during the initial checkout phase. This is sizable
for a spacecraft, but it is only a small fraction of what will be needed
on this journey to gain insight into the dawn of the solar system.
During its 10 weeks of accumulated thrust time, the spacecraft has
expended only 19 kilograms (42 pounds), or less than 5%, of its xenon
propellant. Years of thrusting will be required to reach its elusive
scientific targets, asteroid Vesta and dwarf planet Ceres.

Even as Dawn slowly modifies its orbit, the path it takes is already
quite different from Earth's. The Delta rocket, which flew with the
spacecraft only for about an hour in September, gave the probe enough 
energy to break the bond of Earth's gravity, so it travels independently 
through the solar system, unlike the moon and satellites humans have 
launched into Earth orbit. As Dawn and Earth go their separate ways, 
today they are moving apart even faster than described in the last log.
During the time it takes Earth to rotate once
(about 24 hours, for those readers not familiar with this planet's
idiosyncrasies), the distance between it and the spacecraft increases by
more than 1.4 million kilometers (nearly 900 thousand miles).

The probe suspends thrusting each week to  
turn from the thrust orientation to bring Earth into the sights of its
main antenna. The spacecraft transmits information it has accumulated on
the operation of all subsystems and welcomes any new instructions from
mission control.

During the communications session on February 15, engineers radioed new
data to be used following a reboot of the main computer. These
parameters will be applied by the thermal control system
to manage the temperatures of some components in
the reaction control system (the system of small
conventional thrusters that helps the craft orient itself in the
zero-gravity of spaceflight). As Dawn journeys farther from the Sun, the
ship feels less of the warming rays, so it needs to rely more on its own
heaters, and the new values stored in computer memory help accomplish
that. In a delightful demonstration of flamboyant irreverence, based
solely on this minor change, the software was renamed from 7.0.2
to 7.0.3.

Although the weekly routine is quite adequate to keep the spacecraft
content on its interplanetary voyage, the flight plan included a special
activity on February 21 and 22. The backup science camera
was guided through a set of tests to
demonstrate its functions and capabilities. The instrument received its
initial checkout in December, showing it to be healthy, but this month's
tests were more demanding. The steps were nearly identical to those
executed with the primary science camera,
with the only differences being some of the objects that were observed.
As the spacecraft has progressed in its orbit, a different region of the
celestial sphere was too close to the Sun to be viewed safely by the
camera. Among the targets in both sets of tests were the Carina Nebula
and the star Vega. As expected, they created the same beautiful views
with the backup camera as they did with the primary camera
<http://dawn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/fc_gallery.asp>. The results prove
that both devices function very well and that the new project in Carina
designed to dramatically alter its appearance for observers throughout
the Milky Way (believed by many to be an ostentatious attempt to outdo
Earth's famed artist Christo) did not achieve its stated ambition.
Following the successful completion of the camera tests, the spacecraft
resumed thrusting.

Dawn is 104 million kilometers (65 million miles) from Earth, or more
than 270 times as far as the moon and 70% as far as the Sun. Radio
signals, traveling at the universal limit of the speed of light, take
almost 12 minutes to make the round trip.


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Mon Mar  3 00:42:03 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 21:42:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - February 27, 2008
Message-ID: <200803030542.VAA11913@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES
February 27, 2008

o Alluvial Fan in Crater East of Maja Valles
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_006941_1825

o Diverse Minerals in Nili Fossae Mound
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_006778_1995

o Gullies in Dao Vallis  
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_006659_1460

o Volcanic Vent East of Pavonis Mons  
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_006653_1795 


All of the HiRISE images are archived here:

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/

Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is 
online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is 
managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division 
of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA 
Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed 
Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor 
and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the 
University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies 
Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument.

From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Mon Mar  3 00:50:40 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 21:50:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images - February 25-29, 2008
Message-ID: <200803030550.VAA12988@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES
February 25-29, 2008

o Dark Slope Streaks (Released 25 February 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080225a

o Dust Devil Tracks (Released 26 February 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080226a

o Dust Devil Tracks (Released 27 February 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080227a

o Hooke Crater Dunes (Released 28 February 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080228a

o Summer's End (Released 29 February 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080229a


All of the THEMIS images are archived here:

http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html

NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission 
for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission 
Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University,
Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. 
The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State 
University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor 
for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission 
operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a 
division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. 



From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Mon Mar  3 02:06:33 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 23:06:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] MESSENGER: Craters in Caloris
Message-ID: <200803030706.XAA14748@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/news_room/details.php?id=93

MESSENGER Mission News
February 27, 2008

Craters in Caloris

As MESSENGER sped by Mercury on January 14, 2008, the Narrow Angle
Camera (NAC) of the Mercury Dual Imaging System (MDIS) captured this
image
<http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/gallery/sciencePhotos/image.php?gallery_id=2&image_id=171>,
which includes the edge of the planet against the blackness of space.
Much of the foreground shows a portion of Caloris basin, one of the
largest impact basins in the solar system. The two large craters near
the bottom of this image can be identified on the northwestern floor of
the basin on the mosaicked image of Caloris
<http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/gallery/sciencePhotos/image.php?page=1&gallery_id=2&image_id=149>
released at MESSENGER's NASA press conference on January 30, 2008. The
large crater in the bottom middle of this image has a diameter of about
70 kilometers (40 miles).

Caloris basin is an area of particular interest to the MESSENGER science
team, since understanding its formation can lead to insights about the
nature of large impacts in the early solar system and the results of
these catastrophic events. In a false-color image of Mercury
<http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/gallery/sciencePhotos/image.php?page=1&gallery_id=2&image_id=143>,
also released on January 30, Caloris basin is visible in the northern
hemisphere of the planet as a large, light-colored, roughly circular
feature; the floor of the basin may have some differences in its
composition compared with the darker surrounding surfaces.

The two large craters shown in today's released image are each
surrounded by a "halo" of dark material, like the craters shown in our
release of February 21
<http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/gallery/sciencePhotos/image.php?gallery_id=2&image_id=166>.
The smaller of the two craters has an unusual pattern of bright, highly
reflective material on its floor. The fact that both of these craters,
which show different material characteristics, are located within
Caloris basin provides information about the variety and complexity of
processes that have shaped Mercury's surface.

Additional information and features from MESSENGER's first flyby of
Mercury are online at http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/mer_flyby1.html.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

MESSENGER (MErcury Surface, Space ENvironment, GEochemistry, and
Ranging) is a NASA-sponsored scientific investigation of the planet
Mercury and the first space mission designed to orbit the planet closest
to the Sun. The MESSENGER spacecraft launched on August 3, 2004, and
after flybys of Earth, Venus, and Mercury will start a yearlong study of
its target planet in March 2011. Dr. Sean C. Solomon, of the Carnegie
Institution of Washington, leads the mission as principal investigator. 
The Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory built and 
operates the MESSENGER spacecraft and manages this Discovery -class 
mission for NASA.



From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Mon Mar  3 02:09:52 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 23:09:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Spacecraft at Mars Prepare to Welcome New Kid on
	the Block (Phoenix)
Message-ID: <200803030709.XAA15781@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2008-035

Spacecraft at Mars Prepare to Welcome New Kid on the Block
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
February 28, 2008

Three Mars spacecraft are adjusting their orbits to be over the right
place at the right time to listen to NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander as it
enters the Martian atmosphere on May 25.

Every landing on Mars is difficult. Having three orbiters track Phoenix
as it streaks through Mars' atmosphere will set a new standard for
coverage of critical events during a robotic landing. The data stream
from Phoenix will be relayed to Earth throughout the spacecraft's entry,
descent and landing events. If all goes well, the flow of information
will continue for one minute after touchdown.

"We will have diagnostic information from the top of the atmosphere to
the ground that will give us insight into the landing sequence," said
David Spencer of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.,
deputy project manager for the Phoenix Mars Lander project. This
information would be valuable in the event of a problem with the landing
and has the potential to benefit the design of future landers.

Bob Mase, mission manager at JPL for NASA's Mars Odyssey orbiter, said,
"We have been precisely managing the trajectory to position Odyssey
overhead when Phoenix arrives, to ensure we are ready for
communications. Without those adjustments, we would be almost exactly on
the opposite side of the planet when Phoenix arrives."

NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is making adjustments in bigger
increments, with one firing of thrusters on Feb. 6 and at least one more
planned in April. The European Space Agency's Mars Express orbiter has
also maneuvered to be in place to record transmissions from Phoenix
during the landing. Even the NASA rovers Spirit and Opportunity have
been aiding preparations, simulating transmissions from Phoenix for
tests with the orbiters.

Launched on Aug. 4, 2007, Phoenix will land farther north than any
previous mission to Mars, at a site expected to have frozen water mixed
with soil just below the surface. The lander will use a robotic arm to
put samples of soil and ice into laboratory instruments. One goal is to
study whether the site has ever had conditions favorable for supporting
microbial life.

Phoenix will hit the top of the Martian atmosphere at 5.7 kilometers per
second (12,750 miles per hour). In the next seven minutes, it will use
heat-shield friction, a parachute, then descent rockets to slow to about
2.4 meters per second (5.4 mph) before landing on three legs.

Odyssey will tilt from its normally downward-looking orientation to turn
its ultrahigh-frequency (UHF) antenna toward the descending Phoenix. As
Odyssey receives a stream of information from Phoenix, it will
immediately relay the stream to Earth with a more capable high-gain
antenna. The other two orbiters, Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter and Mars
Express, will record transmissions from Phoenix during the descent, as
backup to ensure that all data is captured, then transmit the whole
files to Earth after the landing. "We will begin recording about 10
minutes before the landing," said JPL's Ben Jai, mission manager for
Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter.

The orbiters' advance support for the Phoenix mission also includes
examination of potential landing sites, which is continuing. After
landing, the support will include relaying communication between Phoenix
and Earth during the three months that Phoenix is scheduled to operate
on the surface. Additionally, NASA and European Space Agency ground
stations are performing measurements to determine the trajectory of
Phoenix with high precision.

With about 160 million kilometers (100 million miles) still to fly as of
late February, Phoenix continues to carry out testing and other
preparations of its instruments. The pressure and temperature sensors of
the meteorological station provided by the Canadian Space Agency were
calibrated Feb. 27 for the final time before landing. "The spacecraft
has been behaving so well that we have been able to focus much of the
team's attention on preparations for landing and surface operations,"
Spencer said.

The Phoenix mission is led by Peter Smith of the University of Arizona,
Tucson, with project management at JPL and development partnership at
Lockheed Martin, Denver. International contributions are provided by the
Canadian Space Agency; the University of Neuchatel, Switzerland; the
universities of Copenhagen and Aarhus, Denmark; the Max Planck
Institute, Germany; and the Finnish Meteorological Institute. Additional
information on Phoenix is online at http://www.nasa.gov/phoenix and
http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu .  JPL, a
division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, manages
Mars Odyssey and Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter for the NASA Science
Mission Directorate, Washington. Additional information on NASA's Mars
program is online at http://www.nasa.gov/mars .

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Media contacts:
Guy Webster 818-354-6278
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
guy.webster at jpl.nasa.gov

Sara Hammond 520-626-1974
University of Arizona, Tucson
shammond at lpl.arizona.edu

2008-035


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Mon Mar  3 02:20:53 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 23:20:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Liquid Water Found Flowing On Mars? Not Yet
Message-ID: <200803030720.XAA18457@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



LIQUID WATER FOUND FLOWING ON MARS?  NOT YET
-- (sent by Mari N. Jensen, The University of Arizona, 520-626-9635,
mnjensen at email.arizona.edu)

-- Friday, February 29, 2008
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Editors and Reporters Note: Images available from the researchers	
Researcher contact information is at the end of this release
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Liquid water has not been found on the Martian surface within the last
decade after all, according to new research. 

The finding casts doubt on the 2006 report that the bright spots in some
Martian gullies indicate that liquid water flowed down those gullies
sometime since 1999. 

"It rules out pure liquid water," said lead author Jon D. Pelletier of The
University of Arizona in Tucson. 

Pelletier and his colleagues used topographic data derived from images of
Mars from the High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment (HiRISE) camera on
NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter. Since 2006, HiRISE has been providing
the most detailed images of Mars ever taken from orbit. 

The researchers applied the basic physics of how fluid flows under Martian
conditions to determine how a flow of pure liquid water would look on the
HiRISE images versus how an avalanche of dry granular debris such as sand
and gravel would look.  

"The dry granular case was the winner," said Pelletier, a UA associate
professor of geosciences. "I was surprised. I started off thinking we were
going to prove it's liquid water."

Finding liquid water on the surface of Mars would indicate the best places
to look for current life on Mars, said co-author Alfred S. McEwen, a UA
professor of planetary sciences.

"What we'd hoped to do was rule out the dry flow model -- but that didn't
happen," said McEwen, the HiRISE principal investigator and director of UA's
Planetary Image Research Laboratory.

An avalanche of dry debris is a much better match for their calculations and
also what their computer model predicts, said Pelletier and McEwen.

Pelletier said, "Right now the balance of evidence suggests that the dry
granular case is the most probable."

They added that their research does not rule out the possibility that the
images show flows of very thick mud containing about 50 percent to 60
percent sediment. Such mud would have a consistency similar to molasses or
hot lava. From orbit, the resulting deposit would look similar to that from
a dry avalanche. 

The team's research article, "Recent bright gully deposits on Mars: wet or
dry flow?" is being published in the March issue of Geology. Pelletier and
McEwen's co-authors are Kelly J. Kolb, a UA doctoral candidate, and Randy L.
Kirk of the U.S. Geological Survey in Flagstaff, Arizona.

NASA funded the research.

In December 2006, Michael Malin and his colleagues published an article in
the journal Science suggesting the bright streaks that formed in two Martian
gullies since 1999 "suggest that liquid water flowed on the surface of Mars
during the past decade." 

Malin's team used images taken by the Mars Global Surveyor Mars Orbital
Camera (MOC) of gullies that had formed before 1999. Repeat images taken of
the gullies in 2006 showed bright streaks that had not been there in the
earlier images. 

Subsequently, Pelletier and McEwen were at a scientific meeting and began
chatting about the astonishing new finding. They discussed how the much more
detailed images from HiRISE might be used to flesh out the Malin team's
findings. 

Pelletier had experience in using the stereoscopic computer-generated
topographic maps known as digital elevation models (DEMs) to figure out how
particular landscape features form. 

DEMs are made using images of the landscape taken from two different angles.
The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter spacecraft is designed to regularly point at
targets, enabling high-resolution stereo images, McEwen said. 

Kirk made a DEM of the crater in the Centauri Montes region where the Malin
team found a new bright streak in a gully. 

Once the DEM was constructed, Pelletier used the topographic information
along with a commercially available numerical computer model to predict how
deposits in that particular gully would appear if left by a pure water flood
versus how the deposits would appear if left by a dry avalanche.

The model also predicted specific conditions needed to create each type of
debris flow. 

"This is the first time that anyone has applied numerical computer models to
the bright deposits in gullies on Mars or to DEMs produced from HiRISE
images," Pelletier said.

When he compared the actual conditions of the bright deposit and its HiRISE
image to the predictions made by the model, the dry avalanche model was a
better fit. 

"The dry granular case is both simpler and more closely matches the
observations," Pelletier said. 

"It's just a test," he said. It's either more like A or more like B. We were
surprised that it was more like B."

Pelletier said these new findings indicate, "There are other ways of getting
deposits that look just like this one that do not require water." 

One of the team's next steps is using HiRISE images to examine similar
bright deposits on less-steep slopes to sort out what processes might have
formed those deposits. 

---------------
Researcher contact information:
Jon Pelletier, 520-626-2126
jdpellet at email.arizona.edu

Alfred McEwen, 520-621-4573
mcewen at lpl.Arizona.edu

Related Web pages:
Jon Pelletier 
http://geomorphology.geo.arizona.edu

Alfred McEwen 
http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/resources/faculty/faculty.php?nom=McEwen

HiRISE
http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/

Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter
http://www.nasa.gov/mro


# # # # #


From info at meteorites.com.au  Mon Mar  3 02:40:59 2008
From: info at meteorites.com.au (Jeff Kuyken)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 18:40:59 +1100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 2,
	2008
References: <c18.2d3536a2.34fbe56c@aol.com>
	<143552775EE44DDB8F907BCDD0E3E30E@Notebook>
Message-ID: <000901c87d01$ee94d630$4001a8c0@mandin4f89ypwu>

Howdy Jerry & all,

It might tell Jerry... but off-list! ;-)

Actually, this picture is an older one and this Youndegin slice has since
been professionally restored and prepared. It's an absolute beauty and can
be seen here:

http://www.meteorites.com.au/favourite/november2005.html

Cheers,

Jeff

----- Original Message -----
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To: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com ; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 2,
2008


Is that dragon smiling??
Jeff, you're pictures are always unique. Care to share how you isolate your
meteorite from its background to create that "lost in space" effect??
Jerry Flaherty
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To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 6:11 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 2,
2008


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From star-bits at tx.rr.com  Mon Mar  3 11:23:38 2008
From: star-bits at tx.rr.com (star-bits at tx.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 8:23:38 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad - eBay auctions closing shortly
Message-ID: <10697358.1204561418409.JavaMail.root@web32>

Greetings Alll

    I have a number of auctions closing shortly including Bassikounou (one still less than 18 cents per gram), a crusted shergottite individual (currently still under $250/gm), a muonionalusta sphere under 30 cents per gram, a tatahouine under 50 cents per gram, vaca muerta under 2 cents per gram, polymict diogenite at less than $3/gm as well as others.   Also a very nicely oriented sikhote-alin.   See them at

<http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=katy2kary>
--
Eric Olson
7682 Firethorn Dr
Fayetteville, NC 28311

http://www.star-bits.com

From raremeteorites at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  3 13:54:04 2008
From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 10:54:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Awesome Auctions Ending - Gather Around The
	Good Stuff!
Message-ID: <28913.43404.qm@web30704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dear List Members,

I have several outstanding auctions ending this
afternoon and tomorrow including the largest fragments
available from Northwest Africa 5000, "The Cosmic
Masterpiece."  Six fragments of the best lunar
meteorite ever found are still available and selling
fast as twelve of the eighteen listed have already
been spoken for.  These fragments were dislodged
during mold-making, cutting and polishing. Many have
generous amounts of crust. Once the fragments are
gone, we will be offering rated slices at a somewhat
higher price for obvious reasons so this is the least
expensive way to get into a sizable specimen.

We expect sales of the slices to be fairly brisk after
Northwest Africa 5000 is formally announced at the
39th Lunar and Planetary Science Conference in Houston
on March 13th.  We will make some slices available
following the formal announcement when we return to
Washington.  If you are in Houston around this time,
be sure to look us up as the world's largest complete
lunar slice will be on display.  It has to be
experienced in person as no image will do it justice.

All of the auctions can be seen at this link:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZraremeteorites

A Few Highlights:

A complete slice of Renfrow from the Robert Haag
Collection, page 103 of his catalog is being offered
too.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140210738225

An awesome Seymchan slice:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140210725539

The most sculptural Campo I have ever seen with a
HOLE:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130201372061

Six remaining fragments of  "The Rock" can be found
here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130201381821
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130201382187
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130201382802
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130201385186
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140210735216
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140210736062

Two complete LUNAR slices::
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140210727289
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140210726984

Be sure to check out all of the auctions at this link:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZraremeteorites


Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good
luck.


Best Regards,

------------------------------------
Adam Hupe
The Hupe Collection
Team LunarRock
IMCA 2185
raremeteorites at comcast.net 

From fcressy at prodigy.net  Mon Mar  3 15:33:42 2008
From: fcressy at prodigy.net (Frank Cressy)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:33:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD
In-Reply-To: <C3F08443.146E4%mlblood@cox.net>
Message-ID: <723250.33675.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Michael and all,

The Barboton you mentioned was a 9mg speck and went
for $46.67.  Many people shopping ebay don't blink
until the price reaches a $100 or more. So price/gram
on a speck means nothing.  The problem I see is that
this and other hammer specks and rare and historical
specks can never be verified.  Barbotan is an H5
veined chondrite...see any veining?  On the above
example, Peter M was the seller and I have 100%
confidence that this was indeed Barbotan,  Now what if
the winner "1randombid" with a "private" feedback
profile finds a larger Barbotan speck next week, and
decides to sell this one, maybe even using Peter's
original box and card.  Still 100% sure of it??? 
Unless you know the complete collection history of the
piece with everyone involved, can a buyer have even a
shred of confidence that the speck is what it is
described to be.  At least the Bessey Specks of 10
years ago were either Nakhla and Zagami, and with a
good lens or microscope one could be quite certain as
to what he/she had.  A little more difficult with an
H5 or an L6 to say the least.

Michael, I also have 100% confidence that your
material is what you say it is, but then I also
wouldn't bet the farm on it.  I also know if something
were to be found in error, you'd stand behind it as
would most dealers.  However, with the prices raising
crazily it's might be too tempting for someone to sell
a bogus speck maybe just once in a while.  We like to
think that the people on the list are above all those
things, but wasn't "the one who still remains
nameless" who got caught with a rock in his shoe, once
a member of the list.

For you dealers the rising prices are great, but
hopefully is isn't a house of cards and won't end up
like the housing and credit debaucle, built, founded,
fueled, and distroyed by Greed.  The speck value is
only based on trust, and should a couple bad apples
ever show up, I think it could collapse.

Just my ramblings on another fun filled day with the
flu,  Hope you didn't take this personally, just my
views on specks.  Also seeing historical specimens
broken into smaller and smaller pieces upsets me too,
but that's another story.

All the best,
Frank

--- Michael L Blood <mlblood at cox.net> wrote:

> I noted with interest a small piece of Barbotan on
> eBay. I left a reasonable
> Bid on it and just checked it out.....
>         It had sold for over $5,000.00 per gram.
>         I have what I believe are the last 3
> specimens available in the
> world on my hammer site (if anyone knows where I can
> get more, please
> Contact me off list - reward!)
>         I will hold this price until the first one
> sells. To see these
> extremely rare specimens click on the photos at the
> following site:
> 
> http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Hammers.html
> 
> They are easy to find - Barbotan is the oldest
> Hammer listed (1790)
>         Best wishes, Michael
> PS: Under 1999 you can find I have 3 last Kobe
> (Japanese hammer)
> Specimens left, as well as numerous other recent
> additions to the page.
> 
> 
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>
http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> 


From fcressy at prodigy.net  Mon Mar  3 15:41:30 2008
From: fcressy at prodigy.net (Frank Cressy)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:41:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Speck Issues  - Reply to this subject
In-Reply-To: <723250.33675.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <284934.55196.qm@web80205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello all,

This is a resend of a previous post.  I meant to
change the subject line but in my fever muddled state
I forgot.  Sorry about that.  Please reply to this
post to avoid confusion.

Frank

--- Frank Cressy <fcressy at prodigy.net> wrote:

> Hi Michael and all,
> 
> The Barboton you mentioned was a 9mg speck and went
> for $46.67.  Many people shopping ebay don't blink
> until the price reaches a $100 or more. So
> price/gram
> on a speck means nothing.  The problem I see is that
> this and other hammer specks and rare and historical
> specks can never be verified.  Barbotan is an H5
> veined chondrite...see any veining?  On the above
> example, Peter M was the seller and I have 100%
> confidence that this was indeed Barbotan,  Now what
> if
> the winner "1randombid" with a "private" feedback
> profile finds a larger Barbotan speck next week, and
> decides to sell this one, maybe even using Peter's
> original box and card.  Still 100% sure of it??? 
> Unless you know the complete collection history of
> the
> piece with everyone involved, can a buyer have even
> a
> shred of confidence that the speck is what it is
> described to be.  At least the Bessey Specks of 10
> years ago were either Nakhla and Zagami, and with a
> good lens or microscope one could be quite certain
> as
> to what he/she had.  A little more difficult with an
> H5 or an L6 to say the least.
> 
> Michael, I also have 100% confidence that your
> material is what you say it is, but then I also
> wouldn't bet the farm on it.  I also know if
> something
> were to be found in error, you'd stand behind it as
> would most dealers.  However, with the prices
> raising
> crazily it's might be too tempting for someone to
> sell
> a bogus speck maybe just once in a while.  We like
> to
> think that the people on the list are above all
> those
> things, but wasn't "the one who still remains
> nameless" who got caught with a rock in his shoe,
> once
> a member of the list.
> 
> For you dealers the rising prices are great, but
> hopefully is isn't a house of cards and won't end up
> like the housing and credit debaucle, built,
> founded,
> fueled, and distroyed by Greed.  The speck value is
> only based on trust, and should a couple bad apples
> ever show up, I think it could collapse.
> 
> Just my ramblings on another fun filled day with the
> flu,  Hope you didn't take this personally, just my
> views on specks.  Also seeing historical specimens
> broken into smaller and smaller pieces upsets me
> too,
> but that's another story.
> 
> All the best,
> Frank
> 
> --- Michael L Blood <mlblood at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> > I noted with interest a small piece of Barbotan on
> > eBay. I left a reasonable
> > Bid on it and just checked it out.....
> >         It had sold for over $5,000.00 per gram.
> >         I have what I believe are the last 3
> > specimens available in the
> > world on my hammer site (if anyone knows where I
> can
> > get more, please
> > Contact me off list - reward!)
> >         I will hold this price until the first one
> > sells. To see these
> > extremely rare specimens click on the photos at
> the
> > following site:
> > 
> > http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Hammers.html
> > 
> > They are easy to find - Barbotan is the oldest
> > Hammer listed (1790)
> >         Best wishes, Michael
> > PS: Under 1999 you can find I have 3 last Kobe
> > (Japanese hammer)
> > Specimens left, as well as numerous other recent
> > additions to the page.
> > 
> > 
> > ______________________________________________
> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >
>
http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> > 
> 
> ______________________________________________
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> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>
http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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From waltbranch at bellsouth.net  Mon Mar  3 16:23:38 2008
From: waltbranch at bellsouth.net (Walter Branch)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 16:23:38 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Speck Issues  - Reply to this subject
References: <284934.55196.qm@web80205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001f01c87d74$d98b6a10$6601a8c0@DrCollman>

Hi Frank,

I could not agree more with you.  Every word, every line.

Remember when Blaine Reed brought out DAG 262?  There
were a few who looked at the specks and balked but because it
was Blaine who was selling it, the pedigree was beyond reproach.

This is not meant to be an indictment of Blaine.  Quite the opposite.

I understand the economic pressures of ever smaller pieces of
meteorite selling for ever higher prices, but it seems the price-to-weight
graph is almost "U" shaped, with more and more material ending up
as smaller and smaller fragments.

Where is Steve Schoner?  I'd always liked to hear his comments on this.  :-)

-Walter Branch
(From sunny and beautiful Savannah.  What the heck am I doing
indoors.  Oh, that's right - I have a job!)
-----------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank Cressy" <fcressy at prodigy.net>
To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 3:41 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Speck Issues - Reply to this subject


> Hello all,
>
> This is a resend of a previous post.  I meant to
> change the subject line but in my fever muddled state
> I forgot.  Sorry about that.  Please reply to this
> post to avoid confusion.
>
> Frank
>
> --- Frank Cressy <fcressy at prodigy.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi Michael and all,
>>
>> The Barboton you mentioned was a 9mg speck and went
>> for $46.67.  Many people shopping ebay don't blink
>> until the price reaches a $100 or more. So
>> price/gram
>> on a speck means nothing.  The problem I see is that
>> this and other hammer specks and rare and historical
>> specks can never be verified.  Barbotan is an H5
>> veined chondrite...see any veining?  On the above
>> example, Peter M was the seller and I have 100%
>> confidence that this was indeed Barbotan,  Now what
>> if
>> the winner "1randombid" with a "private" feedback
>> profile finds a larger Barbotan speck next week, and
>> decides to sell this one, maybe even using Peter's
>> original box and card.  Still 100% sure of it???
>> Unless you know the complete collection history of
>> the
>> piece with everyone involved, can a buyer have even
>> a
>> shred of confidence that the speck is what it is
>> described to be.  At least the Bessey Specks of 10
>> years ago were either Nakhla and Zagami, and with a
>> good lens or microscope one could be quite certain
>> as
>> to what he/she had.  A little more difficult with an
>> H5 or an L6 to say the least.
>>
>> Michael, I also have 100% confidence that your
>> material is what you say it is, but then I also
>> wouldn't bet the farm on it.  I also know if
>> something
>> were to be found in error, you'd stand behind it as
>> would most dealers.  However, with the prices
>> raising
>> crazily it's might be too tempting for someone to
>> sell
>> a bogus speck maybe just once in a while.  We like
>> to
>> think that the people on the list are above all
>> those
>> things, but wasn't "the one who still remains
>> nameless" who got caught with a rock in his shoe,
>> once
>> a member of the list.
>>
>> For you dealers the rising prices are great, but
>> hopefully is isn't a house of cards and won't end up
>> like the housing and credit debaucle, built,
>> founded,
>> fueled, and distroyed by Greed.  The speck value is
>> only based on trust, and should a couple bad apples
>> ever show up, I think it could collapse.
>>
>> Just my ramblings on another fun filled day with the
>> flu,  Hope you didn't take this personally, just my
>> views on specks.  Also seeing historical specimens
>> broken into smaller and smaller pieces upsets me
>> too,
>> but that's another story.
>>
>> All the best,
>> Frank
>>
>> --- Michael L Blood <mlblood at cox.net> wrote:
>>
>> > I noted with interest a small piece of Barbotan on
>> > eBay. I left a reasonable
>> > Bid on it and just checked it out.....
>> >         It had sold for over $5,000.00 per gram.
>> >         I have what I believe are the last 3
>> > specimens available in the
>> > world on my hammer site (if anyone knows where I
>> can
>> > get more, please
>> > Contact me off list - reward!)
>> >         I will hold this price until the first one
>> > sells. To see these
>> > extremely rare specimens click on the photos at
>> the
>> > following site:
>> >
>> > http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Hammers.html
>> >
>> > They are easy to find - Barbotan is the oldest
>> > Hammer listed (1790)
>> >         Best wishes, Michael
>> > PS: Under 1999 you can find I have 3 last Kobe
>> > (Japanese hammer)
>> > Specimens left, as well as numerous other recent
>> > additions to the page.
>> >
>> >
>> > ______________________________________________
>> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> > Meteorite-list mailing list
>> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> >
>>
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>> >
>>
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
>
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From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  3 16:30:52 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 13:30:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Speck Issues  - Reply to this subject
In-Reply-To: <001f01c87d74$d98b6a10$6601a8c0@DrCollman>
Message-ID: <839155.13079.qm@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Guys, there is no problem here. You know, as a dealer
who cuts and messes with thousands of meteorites per
year, you end up with plenty of crumbs, dust, and
specks. Please don't think that we are smashing these
things with hammers in order to maximize profit!
Specks are a byproduct of making a large piece into
multiple pieces, not taking a .2 gram meteorite piece
and turning it into 20 pieces, at least not on
purpose.
As far as buying these specks on ebay, you must indeed
trust your dealer, someone like Blaine or myself, we
make enough money not to need to waste time scamming
people. If I say it is Mokoia, you can rest assured
that it is not Allende fragments. If you buy from just
anyone on ebay just because they say they have
something, well, buyer beware.
Michael Farmer
--- Walter Branch <waltbranch at bellsouth.net> wrote:

> Hi Frank,
> 
> I could not agree more with you.  Every word, every
> line.
> 
> Remember when Blaine Reed brought out DAG 262? 
> There
> were a few who looked at the specks and balked but
> because it
> was Blaine who was selling it, the pedigree was
> beyond reproach.
> 
> This is not meant to be an indictment of Blaine. 
> Quite the opposite.
> 
> I understand the economic pressures of ever smaller
> pieces of
> meteorite selling for ever higher prices, but it
> seems the price-to-weight
> graph is almost "U" shaped, with more and more
> material ending up
> as smaller and smaller fragments.
> 
> Where is Steve Schoner?  I'd always liked to hear
> his comments on this.  :-)
> 
> -Walter Branch
> (From sunny and beautiful Savannah.  What the heck
> am I doing
> indoors.  Oh, that's right - I have a job!)
>
-----------------------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Frank Cressy" <fcressy at prodigy.net>
> To: "Meteorite List"
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 3:41 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Speck Issues - Reply to
> this subject
> 
> 
> > Hello all,
> >
> > This is a resend of a previous post.  I meant to
> > change the subject line but in my fever muddled
> state
> > I forgot.  Sorry about that.  Please reply to this
> > post to avoid confusion.
> >
> > Frank
> >
> > --- Frank Cressy <fcressy at prodigy.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Michael and all,
> >>
> >> The Barboton you mentioned was a 9mg speck and
> went
> >> for $46.67.  Many people shopping ebay don't
> blink
> >> until the price reaches a $100 or more. So
> >> price/gram
> >> on a speck means nothing.  The problem I see is
> that
> >> this and other hammer specks and rare and
> historical
> >> specks can never be verified.  Barbotan is an H5
> >> veined chondrite...see any veining?  On the above
> >> example, Peter M was the seller and I have 100%
> >> confidence that this was indeed Barbotan,  Now
> what
> >> if
> >> the winner "1randombid" with a "private" feedback
> >> profile finds a larger Barbotan speck next week,
> and
> >> decides to sell this one, maybe even using
> Peter's
> >> original box and card.  Still 100% sure of it???
> >> Unless you know the complete collection history
> of
> >> the
> >> piece with everyone involved, can a buyer have
> even
> >> a
> >> shred of confidence that the speck is what it is
> >> described to be.  At least the Bessey Specks of
> 10
> >> years ago were either Nakhla and Zagami, and with
> a
> >> good lens or microscope one could be quite
> certain
> >> as
> >> to what he/she had.  A little more difficult with
> an
> >> H5 or an L6 to say the least.
> >>
> >> Michael, I also have 100% confidence that your
> >> material is what you say it is, but then I also
> >> wouldn't bet the farm on it.  I also know if
> >> something
> >> were to be found in error, you'd stand behind it
> as
> >> would most dealers.  However, with the prices
> >> raising
> >> crazily it's might be too tempting for someone to
> >> sell
> >> a bogus speck maybe just once in a while.  We
> like
> >> to
> >> think that the people on the list are above all
> >> those
> >> things, but wasn't "the one who still remains
> >> nameless" who got caught with a rock in his shoe,
> >> once
> >> a member of the list.
> >>
> >> For you dealers the rising prices are great, but
> >> hopefully is isn't a house of cards and won't end
> up
> >> like the housing and credit debaucle, built,
> >> founded,
> >> fueled, and distroyed by Greed.  The speck value
> is
> >> only based on trust, and should a couple bad
> apples
> >> ever show up, I think it could collapse.
> >>
> >> Just my ramblings on another fun filled day with
> the
> >> flu,  Hope you didn't take this personally, just
> my
> >> views on specks.  Also seeing historical
> specimens
> >> broken into smaller and smaller pieces upsets me
> >> too,
> >> but that's another story.
> >>
> >> All the best,
> >> Frank
> >>
> >> --- Michael L Blood <mlblood at cox.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I noted with interest a small piece of Barbotan
> on
> >> > eBay. I left a reasonable
> >> > Bid on it and just checked it out.....
> >> >         It had sold for over $5,000.00 per
> gram.
> >> >         I have what I believe are the last 3
> >> > specimens available in the
> >> > world on my hammer site (if anyone knows where
> I
> >> can
> >> > get more, please
> >> > Contact me off list - reward!)
> >> >         I will hold this price until the first
> one
> >> > sells. To see these
> >> > extremely rare specimens click on the photos at
> >> the
> >> > following site:
> >> >
> >> >
> http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Hammers.html
> >> >
> >> > They are easy to find - Barbotan is the oldest
> >> > Hammer listed (1790)
> >> >         Best wishes, Michael
> >> > PS: Under 1999 you can find I have 3 last Kobe
> >> > (Japanese hammer)
> >> > Specimens left, as well as numerous other
> recent
> >> > additions to the page.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ______________________________________________
> >> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> >> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> >> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >> >
> >>
> >
>
http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >> >
> >>
> >> ______________________________________________
> >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> >> Meteorite-list mailing list
> >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >>
> >
>
http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >>
> >
> > ______________________________________________
> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >
>
http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> 
> 
> ______________________________________________
> 
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From jan at meteorieten.com  Mon Mar  3 16:52:35 2008
From: jan at meteorieten.com (Jan Bartels)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 22:52:35 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [meteorite-list] [AD] Ultra rare "Utrecht" micro,
	Allende 28 gr. slice.....
Message-ID: <57260.213.84.146.142.1204581155.squirrel@webmail.uniserver.nl>

Fellow Rockabillies,

Offered here some material which is upgraded over the years so time to let
go:

Ultra rare micro of the "Utrecht"
One of only four Dutch meteorites and extremely hard to get.
Whitnessed Fall: June 2, 1843.
Chondrite L6
TKW: only 9,7 kg.
Slice 0.13 grams.
(See membrane box for size, nice surface area.)
Make me an offer !!
Link to picture:
http://pic70.picturetrail.com/VOL1850/8117688/19177634/306938508.jpg

Allende.
No introduction needed.
28 grams slice (no crust)with huge CAI on corner.
Offers from U.S.D 6/gr. and up.
Link to picture:
http://pic70.picturetrail.com/VOL1850/8117688/19177634/306938509.jpg

Dhofar 005.
Chondrite L6
TKW: 125 kg.
Complete crusted individual 283 gr.
Make me an offer.
Link to picture:
http://pic70.picturetrail.com/VOL1850/8117688/19177634/306938510.jpg
and:
http://pic70.picturetrail.com/VOL1850/8117688/19177634/306938511.jpg

Payment by Paypal only.
Contact me off list pls.

Jan Bartels.
Heavenly Bodies Meteorites.
Holland
IMCA #9833
www.heavenlybodies.nl



From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Mon Mar  3 17:18:55 2008
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:18:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 3, 2008
Message-ID: <26636561.97751204582735947.JavaMail.root@mbs6.homesteadmail.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/March_3_2008.html




From fcressy at prodigy.net  Mon Mar  3 17:23:05 2008
From: fcressy at prodigy.net (Frank Cressy)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:23:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Speck Issues  - Reply to this subject
In-Reply-To: <839155.13079.qm@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <743451.5536.qm@web80212.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Mike,

I don't disagree with you and I'd trust both Blaine
and you 100% to be selling what you say you are, but
unfortunately, not all dealers are the same. The
following is from another dealers site talking about a
0.62g, 0.60g and 1.12g thin part slices of Barbotan.
he wrote:

"NOTE: these are the prices ONLY until one sells. Then
there will be a 50% increase. When the
second one sells, the third will be broken up and the
price more than trippled. These are literally 
irrepalcable. March2, 2008 a piece of this sold on
eBay for over $5,000.00 per gram. These are 
listed at bargain prices:"

I have no question that these aren't Barbotan, just
hate seeing historical meteorites ending up as specks.
 It is kind of ironic that he should say "These
[pieces] are literally irreplacable" and then proceed
to pull out a hammer!

I think the biggest potential for fraud would be for
some non dealer on ebay selling (HYPOTHECIAL CASE): 
Have to sell my 20mg fragment of Mokoia, purchased a
year ago from Mike Farmer, comes with his collection
card".  

All the best,
Frank


--- Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Guys, there is no problem here. You know, as a
> dealer
> who cuts and messes with thousands of meteorites per
> year, you end up with plenty of crumbs, dust, and
> specks. Please don't think that we are smashing
> these
> things with hammers in order to maximize profit!
> Specks are a byproduct of making a large piece into
> multiple pieces, not taking a .2 gram meteorite
> piece
> and turning it into 20 pieces, at least not on
> purpose.
> As far as buying these specks on ebay, you must
> indeed
> trust your dealer, someone like Blaine or myself, we
> make enough money not to need to waste time scamming
> people. If I say it is Mokoia, you can rest assured
> that it is not Allende fragments. If you buy from
> just
> anyone on ebay just because they say they have
> something, well, buyer beware.
> Michael Farmer
> --- Walter Branch <waltbranch at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Frank,
> > 
> > I could not agree more with you.  Every word,
> every
> > line.
> > 
> > Remember when Blaine Reed brought out DAG 262? 
> > There
> > were a few who looked at the specks and balked but
> > because it
> > was Blaine who was selling it, the pedigree was
> > beyond reproach.
> > 
> > This is not meant to be an indictment of Blaine. 
> > Quite the opposite.
> > 
> > I understand the economic pressures of ever
> smaller
> > pieces of
> > meteorite selling for ever higher prices, but it
> > seems the price-to-weight
> > graph is almost "U" shaped, with more and more
> > material ending up
> > as smaller and smaller fragments.
> > 
> > Where is Steve Schoner?  I'd always liked to hear
> > his comments on this.  :-)
> > 
> > -Walter Branch
> > (From sunny and beautiful Savannah.  What the heck
> > am I doing
> > indoors.  Oh, that's right - I have a job!)
> >
>
-----------------------------------------------------
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Frank Cressy" <fcressy at prodigy.net>
> > To: "Meteorite List"
> > <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 3:41 PM
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Speck Issues - Reply to
> > this subject
> > 
> > 
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > This is a resend of a previous post.  I meant to
> > > change the subject line but in my fever muddled
> > state
> > > I forgot.  Sorry about that.  Please reply to
> this
> > > post to avoid confusion.
> > >
> > > Frank
> > >
> > > --- Frank Cressy <fcressy at prodigy.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi Michael and all,
> > >>
> > >> The Barboton you mentioned was a 9mg speck and
> > went
> > >> for $46.67.  Many people shopping ebay don't
> > blink
> > >> until the price reaches a $100 or more. So
> > >> price/gram
> > >> on a speck means nothing.  The problem I see is
> > that
> > >> this and other hammer specks and rare and
> > historical
> > >> specks can never be verified.  Barbotan is an
> H5
> > >> veined chondrite...see any veining?  On the
> above
> > >> example, Peter M was the seller and I have 100%
> > >> confidence that this was indeed Barbotan,  Now
> > what
> > >> if
> > >> the winner "1randombid" with a "private"
> feedback
> > >> profile finds a larger Barbotan speck next
> week,
> > and
> > >> decides to sell this one, maybe even using
> > Peter's
> > >> original box and card.  Still 100% sure of
> it???
> > >> Unless you know the complete collection history
> > of
> > >> the
> > >> piece with everyone involved, can a buyer have
> > even
> > >> a
> > >> shred of confidence that the speck is what it
> is
> > >> described to be.  At least the Bessey Specks of
> > 10
> > >> years ago were either Nakhla and Zagami, and
> with
> > a
> > >> good lens or microscope one could be quite
> > certain
> > >> as
> > >> to what he/she had.  A little more difficult
> with
> > an
> > >> H5 or an L6 to say the least.
> > >>
> > >> Michael, I also have 100% confidence that your
> > >> material is what you say it is, but then I also
> > >> wouldn't bet the farm on it.  I also know if
> > >> something
> > >> were to be found in error, you'd stand behind
> it
> > as
> > >> would most dealers.  However, with the prices
> > >> raising
> > >> crazily it's might be too tempting for someone
> to
> > >> sell
> > >> a bogus speck maybe just once in a while.  We
> > like
> > >> to
> > >> think that the people on the list are above all
> > >> those
> > >> things, but wasn't "the one who still remains
> > >> nameless" who got caught with a rock in his
> shoe,
> > >> once
> > >> a member of the list.
> > >>
> > >> For you dealers the rising prices are great,
> but
> > >> hopefully is isn't a house of cards and won't
> end
> > up
> > >> like the housing and credit debaucle, built,
> > >> founded,
> > >> fueled, and distroyed by Greed.  The speck
> value
> > is
> > >> only based on trust, and should a couple bad
> > apples
> > >> ever show up, I think it could collapse.
> > >>
> > >> Just my ramblings on another fun filled day
> with
> > the
> > >> flu,  Hope you didn't take this personally,
> just
> > my
> > >> views on specks.  Also seeing historical
> > specimens
> > >> broken into smaller and smaller pieces upsets
> me
> > >> too,
> > >> but that's another story.
> > >>
> > >> All the best,
> > >> Frank
> > >>
> > >> --- Michael L Blood <mlblood at cox.net> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > I noted with interest a small piece of
> Barbotan
> > on
> > >> > eBay. I left a reasonable
> > >> > Bid on it and just checked it out.....
> > >> >         It had sold for over $5,000.00 per
> > gram.
> > >> >         I have what I believe are the last 3
> > >> > specimens available in the
> > >> > world on my hammer site (if anyone knows
> where
> > I
> > >> can
> > >> > get more, please
> > >> > Contact me off list - reward!)
> > >> >         I will hold this price until the
> first
> 
=== message truncated ===


From waltbranch at bellsouth.net  Mon Mar  3 18:08:04 2008
From: waltbranch at bellsouth.net (Walter Branch)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 18:08:04 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Speck Issues  - Reply to this subject
References: <839155.13079.qm@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003601c87d83$70616d00$6601a8c0@DrCollman>

>Guys, there is no problem here.

There is a potential problem.  When a dealer buys say,
a collection, who is to say that the seller has not
substituted one specimen for another.  For example,
Claxton, in the size of a speck, looks like any other L6.
A well intentioned, well meaning, completely honest dealer
has to trust that the seller is being honest with them
and of course, on down the line.

-Walter Branch
(going home now.  I hear a chillie cheese dog (or dawg, as we say here) 
calling my name.)
-----------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Farmer" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
To: "Walter Branch" <waltbranch at bellsouth.net>; "Frank Cressy" 
<fcressy at prodigy.net>; "Meteorite List" 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Speck Issues - Reply to this subject


> Guys, there is no problem here. You know, as a dealer
> who cuts and messes with thousands of meteorites per
> year, you end up with plenty of crumbs, dust, and
> specks. Please don't think that we are smashing these
> things with hammers in order to maximize profit!
> Specks are a byproduct of making a large piece into
> multiple pieces, not taking a .2 gram meteorite piece
> and turning it into 20 pieces, at least not on
> purpose.
> As far as buying these specks on ebay, you must indeed
> trust your dealer, someone like Blaine or myself, we
> make enough money not to need to waste time scamming
> people. If I say it is Mokoia, you can rest assured
> that it is not Allende fragments. If you buy from just
> anyone on ebay just because they say they have
> something, well, buyer beware.
> Michael Farmer
> --- Walter Branch <waltbranch at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi Frank,
>>
>> I could not agree more with you.  Every word, every
>> line.
>>
>> Remember when Blaine Reed brought out DAG 262?
>> There
>> were a few who looked at the specks and balked but
>> because it
>> was Blaine who was selling it, the pedigree was
>> beyond reproach.
>>
>> This is not meant to be an indictment of Blaine.
>> Quite the opposite.
>>
>> I understand the economic pressures of ever smaller
>> pieces of
>> meteorite selling for ever higher prices, but it
>> seems the price-to-weight
>> graph is almost "U" shaped, with more and more
>> material ending up
>> as smaller and smaller fragments.
>>
>> Where is Steve Schoner?  I'd always liked to hear
>> his comments on this.  :-)
>>
>> -Walter Branch
>> (From sunny and beautiful Savannah.  What the heck
>> am I doing
>> indoors.  Oh, that's right - I have a job!)
>>
> -----------------------------------------------------
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Frank Cressy" <fcressy at prodigy.net>
>> To: "Meteorite List"
>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 3:41 PM
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Speck Issues - Reply to
>> this subject
>>
>>
>> > Hello all,
>> >
>> > This is a resend of a previous post.  I meant to
>> > change the subject line but in my fever muddled
>> state
>> > I forgot.  Sorry about that.  Please reply to this
>> > post to avoid confusion.
>> >
>> > Frank
>> >
>> > --- Frank Cressy <fcressy at prodigy.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi Michael and all,
>> >>
>> >> The Barboton you mentioned was a 9mg speck and
>> went
>> >> for $46.67.  Many people shopping ebay don't
>> blink
>> >> until the price reaches a $100 or more. So
>> >> price/gram
>> >> on a speck means nothing.  The problem I see is
>> that
>> >> this and other hammer specks and rare and
>> historical
>> >> specks can never be verified.  Barbotan is an H5
>> >> veined chondrite...see any veining?  On the above
>> >> example, Peter M was the seller and I have 100%
>> >> confidence that this was indeed Barbotan,  Now
>> what
>> >> if
>> >> the winner "1randombid" with a "private" feedback
>> >> profile finds a larger Barbotan speck next week,
>> and
>> >> decides to sell this one, maybe even using
>> Peter's
>> >> original box and card.  Still 100% sure of it???
>> >> Unless you know the complete collection history
>> of
>> >> the
>> >> piece with everyone involved, can a buyer have
>> even
>> >> a
>> >> shred of confidence that the speck is what it is
>> >> described to be.  At least the Bessey Specks of
>> 10
>> >> years ago were either Nakhla and Zagami, and with
>> a
>> >> good lens or microscope one could be quite
>> certain
>> >> as
>> >> to what he/she had.  A little more difficult with
>> an
>> >> H5 or an L6 to say the least.
>> >>
>> >> Michael, I also have 100% confidence that your
>> >> material is what you say it is, but then I also
>> >> wouldn't bet the farm on it.  I also know if
>> >> something
>> >> were to be found in error, you'd stand behind it
>> as
>> >> would most dealers.  However, with the prices
>> >> raising
>> >> crazily it's might be too tempting for someone to
>> >> sell
>> >> a bogus speck maybe just once in a while.  We
>> like
>> >> to
>> >> think that the people on the list are above all
>> >> those
>> >> things, but wasn't "the one who still remains
>> >> nameless" who got caught with a rock in his shoe,
>> >> once
>> >> a member of the list.
>> >>
>> >> For you dealers the rising prices are great, but
>> >> hopefully is isn't a house of cards and won't end
>> up
>> >> like the housing and credit debaucle, built,
>> >> founded,
>> >> fueled, and distroyed by Greed.  The speck value
>> is
>> >> only based on trust, and should a couple bad
>> apples
>> >> ever show up, I think it could collapse.
>> >>
>> >> Just my ramblings on another fun filled day with
>> the
>> >> flu,  Hope you didn't take this personally, just
>> my
>> >> views on specks.  Also seeing historical
>> specimens
>> >> broken into smaller and smaller pieces upsets me
>> >> too,
>> >> but that's another story.
>> >>
>> >> All the best,
>> >> Frank
>> >>
>> >> --- Michael L Blood <mlblood at cox.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I noted with interest a small piece of Barbotan
>> on
>> >> > eBay. I left a reasonable
>> >> > Bid on it and just checked it out.....
>> >> >         It had sold for over $5,000.00 per
>> gram.
>> >> >         I have what I believe are the last 3
>> >> > specimens available in the
>> >> > world on my hammer site (if anyone knows where
>> I
>> >> can
>> >> > get more, please
>> >> > Contact me off list - reward!)
>> >> >         I will hold this price until the first
>> one
>> >> > sells. To see these
>> >> > extremely rare specimens click on the photos at
>> >> the
>> >> > following site:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Hammers.html
>> >> >
>> >> > They are easy to find - Barbotan is the oldest
>> >> > Hammer listed (1790)
>> >> >         Best wishes, Michael
>> >> > PS: Under 1999 you can find I have 3 last Kobe
>> >> > (Japanese hammer)
>> >> > Specimens left, as well as numerous other
>> recent
>> >> > additions to the page.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ______________________________________________
>> >> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> >> > Meteorite-list mailing list
>> >> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>>
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> ______________________________________________
>> >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> >> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> >>
>> >
>>
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>> >>
>> >
>> > ______________________________________________
>> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> > Meteorite-list mailing list
>> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> >
>>
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>>
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From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Mon Mar  3 18:08:00 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 15:08:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rover Update - March 3, 2008
Message-ID: <200803032308.PAA14818@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html

SPIRIT UPDATE: Tenacious Rover Just Might Make It - sol 1464-1470, 
March 3, 2008:

Spirit has achieved a northerly tilt of 29.9 degrees! As a result, based
on power projections, Spirit has a fighting chance of surviving another
winter on Mars, if the weather and environment cooperate.

Plans for sol 1471 (Feb. 22, 2008) called for a test of the stability of
Spirit's new perch prior to using the rock abrasion tool by having the
rover touch the Martian surface with the Moessbauer spectrometer and
apply 10 newtons of pressure (called a pre-load).

Sol-by-sol summary:

In addition to measurements of atmospheric dust levels with the
panoramic camera and daily communications activities, which include
morning direct-from-Earth uplinks over the rover's high-gain antenna and
evening relays to Earth via the UHF antenna on the Mars Odyssey orbiter,
Spirit completed the following activities:

Sol 1464 (Feb. 14, 2008): Spirit edged downslope another 4 centimeters
(about 1.5 inches). The rover took thumbnail images of the sky for
calibration purposes with the panoramic camera.

Sol 1465: Spirit took mid-field images and spot images of the sky for
calibration purposes with the panoramic camera.

Sol 1466: Spirit acquired images for updating the rover's precise
attitude relative to the Sun, surveyed the horizon and took spot images
of the sky with the panoramic camera, and surveyed the external
calibration target with the miniature thermal emission spectrometer.

Sol 1467: Spirit acquired images of the "El Dorado" dune field with the
panoramic camera and snapped movie frames in search of dust devils with
the navigation camera. The rover took thumbnail images of the sky with
the panoramic camera.

Sol 1468: Spirit surveyed the sky at high Sun using the panoramic camera.

Sol 1469: Spirit surveyed the sky and ground with the miniature thermal
emission spectrometer and took before-and-after stereo images with the
navigation camera to enable the on-board visual odometry software to
determine the rover's position. Spirit acquired a 5-by-1 mosaic of
forward-looking images and a 5-by-1 mosaic of rearward-looking images
with the navigation camera. Also with the navigation camera, the rover
assessed atmospheric opacity caused by dust and scanned the sky for clouds.

Sol 1470 (Feb. 21, 2008): Spirit unstowed the robotic arm and moved it
to test the rover's stability. Spirit measured atmospheric opacity
caused by dust using both the panoramic and navigation cameras. The
rover took spot images of the sky with the panoramic camera and surveyed
the sky and ground with the miniature thermal emission spectrometer.

Odometry:

As of sol 1470 (Feb. 21, 2008), Spirit's total odometry was 7,528.07
meters (4.68 miles).


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Mon Mar  3 18:14:54 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 15:14:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Workshop on the Early Solar System Impact
	Bombardment
Message-ID: <200803032314.PAA17391@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/bombardment2008/

Workshop on the Early Solar System Impact Bombardment
September 15-17, 2008
Houston, Texas

------------------------------------------------------------------------
FIRST ANNOUNCEMENT - MARCH 2008
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Sponsored By
Lunar and Planetary Institute
National Aeronautics and Space Administration

Conveners
David A. Kring,
   Lunar and Planetary Institute
William F. Bottke,
   Southwest Research Institute

Scientific Organizing Committee
Donald D. Bogard,
    NASA Johnson Space Center
Barbara A. Cohen,
   NASA Marshall Space Flight Center
Michelle R. Kirchoff,
   Lunar and Planetary Institute
Christian Koeberl,
   University of Vienna
Stephen J. Mojzsis,
   University of Colorado

With special assistance from Gary Lofgren and the Lunar Curatorial
Office at the NASA Johnson Space Center.
 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
MEETING LOCATION AND DATE
------------------------------------------------------------------------
   
The Workshop on the Early Solar System Impact Bombardment will be
held September 15-17, 2008, at the Lunar and Planetary Institute (LPI),
located in the Universities Space Research Association (USRA) building,
3600 Bay Area Boulevard, Houston, Texas.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
INTRODUCTION    
------------------------------------------------------------------------

One of the legacies of the Apollo program is the concept of late heavy
bombardment or a lunar cataclysm that may have resurfaced the Moon and
thermally metamorphosed its crust. Several recent studies have continued
to test that concept and explore the implications any bombardment may
have for our understanding of lunar evolution. It has also been posited
to be a factor in the origin and early evolution of life on Earth.

The source of the debris is variously described as being from the
asteroid or Kuiper belts, which implies any bombardment may have
affected planetary surfaces throughout the solar system, producing a
complementary record that may constrain the dynamical processes behind
the flux of impacting debris. There are hints in existing data that the
bombardment may be linked to a dramatic reorganization of planetary orbits.

Interest in this theme continues to grow, particularly following a
recent National Research Council report about The Scientific Context for
Exploration of the Moon that places a test of the cataclysm hypothesis
at the top of lunar science priorities.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
PURPOSE AND SCOPE    
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Recognizing the community's interest in the topic, the Lunar and
Planetary Institute and NASA are organizing a workshop to explore this
theme. The workshop will provide an opportunity to integrate several
diverse components of the above topic, including an assessment of the
geologic record of impact cratering throughout the solar system,
cosmochemical constraints on any early bombardment, and dynamic models
that might explain the flux of debris and potential changes in the flux
of debris.

Although the Moon will likely be a central component of the discussion,
it is hoped that the discussion will be informed by observations
elsewhere, like Mercury, Mars, the asteroid belt, and outer solar system
moons.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
MEETING FORMAT    
------------------------------------------------------------------------

The workshop will be dominated by contributed oral and poster
presentations, although four invited presentations are being planned to
help describe the general situation with (1) crater counting, (2) sample
chronology, (3) dynamics, and (4) implications for planetary surface
conditions during any early bombardment.  These will be designed to set
the stage for the workshop and identify broad issues.  Contributed talks
and posters that then follow will add detail and hopefully new
information that helps resolve the broad issues.

Because the meeting topic has its roots in the Apollo program and is
being organized in response to the NRC recommendation to collect new
lunar samples that will test models of bombardment, a special session
will be set aside so that participants can examine macroscopic samples
and thin sections of lunar impact breccias from the Apollo collection.
 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
WORKSHOP SCHEDULE    
------------------------------------------------------------------------
   
   Monday morning, Sept. 15   Introduction and invited and contributed
presentations
   Monday afternoon, Sept. 15   Contributed presentations and discussion
   Monday evening, Sept. 15   Poster session and reception
   Tuesday morning, Sept. 16   Introduction and tutorial about lunar
impact melt breccias,
with access to Apollo samples
   Wednesday morning, Sept. 17   Contributed presentations and final
discussion
     
------------------------------------------------------------------------
ABSTRACT SUBMISSION    
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Deadline for abstract submission will be July 2, 2008. The call for
abstracts will be included in teh second announcement. The final
announcement and workshop program will be posted by August 6, 2008.

  KEY POINTS:
  Abstract Deadline:  July 2, 2008
 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
FUTURE ANNOUNCEMENTS    
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Further details regarding the workshop with guidelines for abstract
submission will be included in the second announcement, available on
this website May 21, 2008.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
INDICATION OF INTENT    
------------------------------------------------------------------------

To subscribe to a mailing list to receive electronic reminders and
special announcements relating to the meeting via e-mail, please submit
an Indication of Intent form  by May 21, 2008.

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/bombardment2008/iofi/
   
   
------------------------------------------------------------------------
CONTACTS    
------------------------------------------------------------------------
   

For further information regarding the format and scientific objectives
of the meeting, contact

    David Kring
    Lunar and Planetary Institute
    phone: 281-486-2119
    e-mail: kring at lpi.usra.edu 

For further information regarding meeting logistics, please contact

    Kimberly Taylor
    Lunar and Planetary Institute
    phone:  281-486-2151
    e-mail:  taylor at lpi.usra.edu 

------------------------------------------------------------------------
SCHEDULE
------------------------------------------------------------------------
   
     
 May 21, 2008  
Deadline for Indication of Intent;
Second announcement, including call for abstracts and
registration form, available on this website
 
  July 2, 2008  
Deadline for abstract submission
 
  August 6, 2008  
Final announcement with program and abstracts
available on this website
 
  August 13, 2008  
Deadline for registration at reduced rate
 
  September 15-17, 2008  
Workshop on the Early Solar System Impact Bombardment
in Houston, Texas
 


From petrovich at sv-meteorites.com  Mon Mar  3 18:24:33 2008
From: petrovich at sv-meteorites.com (Sergey Vasiliev)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 00:24:33 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Ebay SV-meteorites
Message-ID: <LCELIFLDMGKFPKOAIBKOKEFFEIAA.petrovich@sv-meteorites.com>

Hi List,
I have some not often seen items on ebay right now.
I will run more listings tomorrow.
I don't want you to read my ADs every day, so please just refresh the link
in 24 hrs from now:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZsvassiliev
Thank you for your interest!
Sergey
-----------------------------------------
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Prague 5, 15500
Czech Republic
------------------------------------------
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http://impactites.net
http://systematic-mineralogy.com


From indy1996 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  3 18:35:43 2008
From: indy1996 at yahoo.com (Dave Schultz)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 15:35:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Speck Issues  - Reply to this subject
In-Reply-To: <743451.5536.qm@web80212.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <531179.30124.qm@web52903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

  Hi Frank and all. This is a bit off the speck
subject a bit, but still applies to the theory of
breaking up specimens, that Frank and including myself
really hate to see. Recently I sold a beautiful full
slice of a meteorite on eBay, hoping to raise a little
money for Tucson, and also so that some collector
would enjoy it as much as I did, only to find out
later, that the winning bidder broke up that beautiful
slice into smaller pieces and was selling those on
eBay. This really bummed myself out and also another
collector who was thinking of bidding on it. I know
that this meant that more collectors could have a
piece of this meteorite, but some how just didn`t sit
right with me, and had I known that that was going to
happen, I wouldn`t have listed it at all, but I guess
that is the chance we all take when selling personal
collection pieces. 
                                          Dave 



> Hi Mike,
> 
> I don't disagree with you and I'd trust both Blaine
> and you 100% to be selling what you say you are, but
> unfortunately, not all dealers are the same. The
> following is from another dealers site talking about
> a
> 0.62g, 0.60g and 1.12g thin part slices of Barbotan.
> he wrote:
> 
> "NOTE: these are the prices ONLY until one sells.
> Then
> there will be a 50% increase. When the
> second one sells, the third will be broken up and
> the
> price more than trippled. These are literally 
> irrepalcable. March2, 2008 a piece of this sold on
> eBay for over $5,000.00 per gram. These are 
> listed at bargain prices:"
> 
> I have no question that these aren't Barbotan, just
> hate seeing historical meteorites ending up as
> specks.
>  It is kind of ironic that he should say "These
> [pieces] are literally irreplacable" and then
> proceed
> to pull out a hammer!
> 
> I think the biggest potential for fraud would be for
> some non dealer on ebay selling (HYPOTHECIAL CASE): 
> Have to sell my 20mg fragment of Mokoia, purchased a
> year ago from Mike Farmer, comes with his collection
> card".  
> 
> All the best,
> Frank
> 
> 
> --- Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > Guys, there is no problem here. You know, as a
> > dealer
> > who cuts and messes with thousands of meteorites
> per
> > year, you end up with plenty of crumbs, dust, and
> > specks. Please don't think that we are smashing
> > these
> > things with hammers in order to maximize profit!
> > Specks are a byproduct of making a large piece
> into
> > multiple pieces, not taking a .2 gram meteorite
> > piece
> > and turning it into 20 pieces, at least not on
> > purpose.
> > As far as buying these specks on ebay, you must
> > indeed
> > trust your dealer, someone like Blaine or myself,
> we
> > make enough money not to need to waste time
> scamming
> > people. If I say it is Mokoia, you can rest
> assured
> > that it is not Allende fragments. If you buy from
> > just
> > anyone on ebay just because they say they have
> > something, well, buyer beware.
> > Michael Farmer
> > --- Walter Branch <waltbranch at bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi Frank,
> > > 
> > > I could not agree more with you.  Every word,
> > every
> > > line.
> > > 
> > > Remember when Blaine Reed brought out DAG 262? 
> > > There
> > > were a few who looked at the specks and balked
> but
> > > because it
> > > was Blaine who was selling it, the pedigree was
> > > beyond reproach.
> > > 
> > > This is not meant to be an indictment of Blaine.
> 
> > > Quite the opposite.
> > > 
> > > I understand the economic pressures of ever
> > smaller
> > > pieces of
> > > meteorite selling for ever higher prices, but it
> > > seems the price-to-weight
> > > graph is almost "U" shaped, with more and more
> > > material ending up
> > > as smaller and smaller fragments.
> > > 
> > > Where is Steve Schoner?  I'd always liked to
> hear
> > > his comments on this.  :-)
> > > 
> > > -Walter Branch
> > > (From sunny and beautiful Savannah.  What the
> heck
> > > am I doing
> > > indoors.  Oh, that's right - I have a job!)
> > >
> >
>
-----------------------------------------------------
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Frank Cressy" <fcressy at prodigy.net>
> > > To: "Meteorite List"
> > > <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 3:41 PM
> > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Speck Issues - Reply
> to
> > > this subject
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > Hello all,
> > > >
> > > > This is a resend of a previous post.  I meant
> to
> > > > change the subject line but in my fever
> muddled
> > > state
> > > > I forgot.  Sorry about that.  Please reply to
> > this
> > > > post to avoid confusion.
> > > >
> > > > Frank
> > > >
> > > > --- Frank Cressy <fcressy at prodigy.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hi Michael and all,
> > > >>
> > > >> The Barboton you mentioned was a 9mg speck
> and
> > > went
> > > >> for $46.67.  Many people shopping ebay don't
> > > blink
> > > >> until the price reaches a $100 or more. So
> > > >> price/gram
> > > >> on a speck means nothing.  The problem I see
> is
> > > that
> > > >> this and other hammer specks and rare and
> > > historical
> > > >> specks can never be verified.  Barbotan is an
> > H5
> > > >> veined chondrite...see any veining?  On the
> > above
> > > >> example, Peter M was the seller and I have
> 100%
> > > >> confidence that this was indeed Barbotan, 
> Now
> > > what
> > > >> if
> > > >> the winner "1randombid" with a "private"
> > feedback
> > > >> profile finds a larger Barbotan speck next
> > week,
> > > and
> > > >> decides to sell this one, maybe even using
> > > Peter's
> > > >> original box and card.  Still 100% sure of
> > it???
> > > >> Unless you know the complete collection
> history
> > > of
> > > >> the
> > > >> piece with everyone involved, can a buyer
> have
> > > even
> > > >> a
> > > >> shred of confidence that the speck is what it
> > is
> > > >> described to be.  At least the Bessey Specks
> of
> > > 10
> > > >> years ago were either Nakhla and Zagami, and
> > with
> > > a
> > > >> good lens or microscope one could be quite
> > > certain
> > > >> as
> > > >> to what he/she had.  A little more difficult
> > with
> > > an
> > > >> H5 or an L6 to say the least.
> > > >>
> > > >> Michael, I also have 100% confidence that
> your
> > > >> material is what you say it is, but then I
> also
> > > >> wouldn't bet the farm on it.  I also know if
> > > >> something
> > > >> were to be found in error, you'd stand behind
> > it
> > > as
> > > >> would most dealers.  However, with the prices
> 
=== message truncated ===



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From raremeteorites at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  3 18:42:27 2008
From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 15:42:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Speck Issues  - Reply to this subject
In-Reply-To: <003601c87d83$70616d00$6601a8c0@DrCollman>
Message-ID: <651793.77096.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Walter and All,

It is interesting that Claxton was mentioned. Every
since I started offering thin cut part slices several
months ago, I have seen a lot being offered in
fragment form, even before Darryl Pitt's auction.  I
ask, where did it all come from all of a sudden?  Has
a major supplier been holding out?

I lost a lot on Claxton having traded at an extreme
value. The piece I entered in Blood's auction only
realized about $150.00/gram and this piece came from
Michael Blood himself. I will not offer specks of it,
only small part slices, many with crust. The only way
I can come close to breaking even on Claxton is to
offer it in small part slices.  Besides, the largest
slice I had shattered when removed from the Riker as a
previous dealer used epoxy to repair a crack in it and
this caused it to stick to the glass.

I personally do not collect falls anymore as I have
lost thousands on each of them.  We still have the
Garza stone if anybody is interested as I do not want
to cut it in order to recover our investment. 
Possibly, somebody could propose some rare material in
trade.

It all boils down to who can be trusted. In the case
of Michael Blood, I am confident of the provenance for
each piece he offers.  This is why the IMCA is so
important.  Every dealer has taken an oath of
authenticity and guarantee their offerings. Also,
several prominent scientist belong to the IMCA who can
always do some probe work if needed. If in doubt,
check it out.


All the best,

Adam


From mafer at imagineopals.com  Mon Mar  3 18:51:13 2008
From: mafer at imagineopals.com (Mark)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 18:51:13 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Speck Issues  - Reply to this subject
References: <651793.77096.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <03d701c87d89$77022540$01fea8c0@maf>

I would sure hope the specks I have are real. I do trust my sources, but 
when ever this comes up, there is always some little room for doubt. But, as 
long as we trust in the IMCA, I have to trust these sources. But, let me 
also say that if someone doubts the item they have gotten from me, contact 
me off list and we'll go over who I got them from.

Mark Ferguson

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
To: "Adam" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Speck Issues - Reply to this subject


> Hi Walter and All,
>
> It is interesting that Claxton was mentioned. Every
> since I started offering thin cut part slices several
> months ago, I have seen a lot being offered in
> fragment form, even before Darryl Pitt's auction.  I
> ask, where did it all come from all of a sudden?  Has
> a major supplier been holding out?
>
> I lost a lot on Claxton having traded at an extreme
> value. The piece I entered in Blood's auction only
> realized about $150.00/gram and this piece came from
> Michael Blood himself. I will not offer specks of it,
> only small part slices, many with crust. The only way
> I can come close to breaking even on Claxton is to
> offer it in small part slices.  Besides, the largest
> slice I had shattered when removed from the Riker as a
> previous dealer used epoxy to repair a crack in it and
> this caused it to stick to the glass.
>
> I personally do not collect falls anymore as I have
> lost thousands on each of them.  We still have the
> Garza stone if anybody is interested as I do not want
> to cut it in order to recover our investment.
> Possibly, somebody could propose some rare material in
> trade.
>
> It all boils down to who can be trusted. In the case
> of Michael Blood, I am confident of the provenance for
> each piece he offers.  This is why the IMCA is so
> important.  Every dealer has taken an oath of
> authenticity and guarantee their offerings. Also,
> several prominent scientist belong to the IMCA who can
> always do some probe work if needed. If in doubt,
> check it out.
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Adam
>
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From MeteorHntr at aol.com  Mon Mar  3 18:52:41 2008
From: MeteorHntr at aol.com (MeteorHntr at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 18:52:41 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] Speck Issues  - Reply to this subject
Message-ID: <c96.2083682a.34fde949@aol.com>

Hello Walter, Frank, Mike and All,
 
I agree, there is a potential problem with fraud.
 
I would say, that a lack of ability to confirm certain meteorites as being  
what they are, is one of the factors that is keeping the hobby from exploding  
(even more so) in popularity.
 
Of course on the rare items, if they are large enough, anyone can go  through 
the trouble to get their own third party testing done if they  really want 
to.   The Ordinary Chondrite Hammer stones are a bit  different, no matter what 
the size, but especially with the smaller  ones. 
 
I think there is room for extra value to be added to certain hammers (or  
other historical OCs) if the seller(s) will go through the extra effort to  
document what they have is from where they say it is.  
 
Maybe this requires (microscopic?) photographic documentation, with  notary 
public documentation on the dealer's signature(s) for some?  Who  knows?
 
If an unknown buyer knows that he or she can buy and then later  resell a 
certain specimen, with the integrity of that specimen intact,  then I think more 
people will want to risk buying them, and that will only help  their values.
 
We are still in the "Wild West" age of meteorite collecting.   If a collector 
is educated, and thus more self sufficient, it is  still a great time to jump 
in and build a great collection.  As the hobby  matures, some of these things 
will be ironed out, and values will rise (and some  may fall).   
 
I think Frank's observation about this is very valid from a  collector's 
point of view.   No doubt if a dealer has two part  slices, (or two crumbs) of 
equal quality, from a meteorite that hit a  house, but one had the specimen 
photographed on a signed ID COA card, and  the other one didn't, and both were put 
on Ebay, one would be sell  for more than the other one would.  
 
If the dealer also had a notarized copy of the exchange agreement with a  
major museum, where the specimen came from, that would only help that much more  
to add to the provenance and thus to the value.  
 
In this electronic age, making a 1 min video of the hammer hitting the  slice 
and the crumbs being immediately identified could be enough to satisfy  most 
people.  
 
Entrepreneurism is great.  As needs arise, watch the solutions that  will 
emerge.  Frank has pointed out a valid need.
 
The best is yet to come.

Steve Arnold
Arkansas
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 3/3/2008 5:08:18 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
waltbranch at bellsouth.net writes:
>Guys, there is no problem  here.

There is a potential problem.  When a dealer buys say,
a  collection, who is to say that the seller has not
substituted one specimen  for another.  For example,
Claxton, in the size of a speck, looks like  any other L6.
A well intentioned, well meaning, completely honest  dealer
has to trust that the seller is being honest with them
and of  course, on down the line.

-Walter Branch
(going home now.  I hear  a chillie cheese dog (or dawg, as we say here) 
calling my name.)
 



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From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  3 18:58:48 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 15:58:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Speck Issues  - Reply to this subject
In-Reply-To: <c96.2083682a.34fde949@aol.com>
Message-ID: <519193.29128.qm@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Ok, there is potential for fraud, but hey, if you eat
a hamburger, perhaps it will be contaminated with
E-COLI, you could die, but I bet most of you will
continue to eat hamburgers. There is no solution to
this problem, so buy from trustworthy dealers.
Michael Farmer
--- MeteorHntr at aol.com wrote:

> Hello Walter, Frank, Mike and All,
>  
> I agree, there is a potential problem with fraud.
>  
> I would say, that a lack of ability to confirm
> certain meteorites as being  
> what they are, is one of the factors that is keeping
> the hobby from exploding  
> (even more so) in popularity.
>  
> Of course on the rare items, if they are large
> enough, anyone can go  through 
> the trouble to get their own third party testing
> done if they  really want 
> to.   The Ordinary Chondrite Hammer stones are a bit
>  different, no matter what 
> the size, but especially with the smaller  ones. 
>  
> I think there is room for extra value to be added to
> certain hammers (or  
> other historical OCs) if the seller(s) will go
> through the extra effort to  
> document what they have is from where they say it
> is.  
>  
> Maybe this requires (microscopic?) photographic
> documentation, with  notary 
> public documentation on the dealer's signature(s)
> for some?  Who  knows?
>  
> If an unknown buyer knows that he or she can buy and
> then later  resell a 
> certain specimen, with the integrity of that
> specimen intact,  then I think more 
> people will want to risk buying them, and that will
> only help  their values.
>  
> We are still in the "Wild West" age of meteorite
> collecting.   If a collector 
> is educated, and thus more self sufficient, it is 
> still a great time to jump 
> in and build a great collection.  As the hobby 
> matures, some of these things 
> will be ironed out, and values will rise (and some 
> may fall).   
>  
> I think Frank's observation about this is very valid
> from a  collector's 
> point of view.   No doubt if a dealer has two part 
> slices, (or two crumbs) of 
> equal quality, from a meteorite that hit a  house,
> but one had the specimen 
> photographed on a signed ID COA card, and  the other
> one didn't, and both were put 
> on Ebay, one would be sell  for more than the other
> one would.  
>  
> If the dealer also had a notarized copy of the
> exchange agreement with a  
> major museum, where the specimen came from, that
> would only help that much more  
> to add to the provenance and thus to the value.  
>  
> In this electronic age, making a 1 min video of the
> hammer hitting the  slice 
> and the crumbs being immediately identified could be
> enough to satisfy  most 
> people.  
>  
> Entrepreneurism is great.  As needs arise, watch the
> solutions that  will 
> emerge.  Frank has pointed out a valid need.
>  
> The best is yet to come.
> 
> Steve Arnold
> Arkansas
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> In a message dated 3/3/2008 5:08:18 P.M. Central
> Standard Time,  
> waltbranch at bellsouth.net writes:
> >Guys, there is no problem  here.
> 
> There is a potential problem.  When a dealer buys
> say,
> a  collection, who is to say that the seller has not
> substituted one specimen  for another.  For example,
> Claxton, in the size of a speck, looks like  any
> other L6.
> A well intentioned, well meaning, completely honest 
> dealer
> has to trust that the seller is being honest with
> them
> and of  course, on down the line.
> 
> -Walter Branch
> (going home now.  I hear  a chillie cheese dog (or
> dawg, as we say here) 
> calling my name.)
>  
> 
> 
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From markig at westnet.com  Mon Mar  3 19:06:40 2008
From: markig at westnet.com (Mark Grossman)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 19:06:40 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Speck Issues  - Reply to this subject
References: <c96.2083682a.34fde949@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c87d8b$9f9e7fb0$6601a8c0@QED>

I am fairly new to the hobby but have purchased some historical specimens
from dealers who indicated that the pieces came from Museum collections.  I
asked for the source sample numbers - sometimes I was supplied with this
information, sometimes just the date of the exchange or cut.

I was then able to contact the Museum and verify the parties involve