[meteorite-list] ORIENTATION Re: March 4 RSPOD Oriented (sic) 32kg stone

[Darryl Pitt]

in my experience, the single most problematic term in meteorite  
commerce is "orientation."  this seems to be in part due to a  
reluctance to differentiate objects which exhibit a bit of  
orientation from those which exhibit nothing but orientation.

the new generation of collectors are not to be faulted for the  
seeming misapplication of the term as a result of what is today its  
liberal, ubiquitous use.

might i suggest that the list come up with a grading system of  
orientation in much the same way that weathering and shocking are  
graded.

three or four grades of orientation to finally---FINALLY--put this  
notion to rest.

d.



On Mar 4, 2008, at 8:45 AM, info at niger-meteorite-recon.de wrote:


> Elton, others,

>

> in this case, and regarding the thoroughly curated and  

> painstakingly documented collection Dave keeps, I would rather  

> trust the owner's judgement instead of your photo interpretation  

> skills - however visionary they may be.

>

> Besides there is currently no need to defend Dave as you have not  

> provided a single point why the stone pictured should not be  

> oriented. You may consider this in your concept of science.

>

> just my two cents

>

> Svend

>

>

>

>

> --- Mr EMan <mstreman53 at yahoo.com> wrote:

>

>

>> Ok would someone that believes this is an accurate

>> caption please

>> defend it.

>>

>>  "Sean Northover, a student at Kennesaw Mountain

>> High School,

>> confirming the weight of a fresh, ">>>ORIENTED<<<"

>> 32.6 kg

>> chondrite"???

>> <http://www.rocksfromspace.org/March_4_2008.html>

>> This is too early

>> for April 1st.

>>

>> To let bad and really bad psuedoscience take over

>> all we had to do was

>> continue being silent on dubious claims. Now every

>> other meteorite we

>> see is "oriented".  We know this is the truth

>> because any new commer,

>> meteorite owner, is magically, over night, an

>> "expert" at identifying

>> and describing meteorite surface features.

>>

>> If anyone wishes to declare a meteorite "oriented"--

>> anyone may do so

>> without a pittance of proof and no one on this list

>> will ever object.

>> Because we refuse to define "oriented".

>>

>> Ergo, I have a perfect sphere meteorite that fell

>> from my table to the

>> floor and under the imagination that makes EVERY

>> single meteorite

>> "oriented" I can proclaim that my sphere is oriented

>> having traveled

>> through the atmosphere.  Given the wide latitude

>> used in claiming

>> orientation no one can disprove that I am not

>> correct.

>>

>> (OH YEAH  and it has perfect fusion crust because

>> its drop was extended

>> for several seconds over a candle flame before

>> reaching the floor).

>>

>> I can proclaim it as a fully oriented, fully fusion

>> crusted,

>> sphere-shaped "fall" and under the unfettered

>> latitude we allow amongst

>> meteorite collectors no one can prove my description

>> wrong.

>>

>> So is this a hobby or a study of science?

>>

>> Continually Baffled,

>> Elton

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