From cynapse at charter.net  Thu May  1 00:00:00 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 00:00:00 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Bonhams Auction Completed.
In-Reply-To: <248289.68039.qm@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <8CA79543D00674C-554-2939@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com>
	<248289.68039.qm@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:43:17 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

> I am having my pieces picked up by a friend in NY and
>shipped to me that way.
>They sure seem to like to get every penny dont they?
>It seems to have been a very good auction over all,
>some things went cheaper than I would have thought,
>but over all a stong showing. Add it up, hundreds of
>thousands of $$$ sold in less than an hour, and
>MILLIONS bid. Not bad.

Looks like Fukang didn't sell.

http://www.iht.com/articles/reuters/2008/04/30/america/OUKWD-UK-AUCTION-DUNG.php

NEW YORK: Some dinosaur dung was snapped up at auction in New York even as a 4.5
billion year old meteorite which was supposed to top the sale went unsold.

The two chunks of 130-million-year-old coprolite, otherwise known as fossilized
dinosaur dung, fetched $960 (482 pounds) at Bonhams in New York on Wednesday,
the auction house said.

The Jurassic-era rocks were sold for more than double their maximum estimate,
said spokeswoman Staci Smith.

A 4.5 billion-year-old meteorite, on which a Chinese desert hiker habitually ate
lunch before he discovered it was valuable, failed to meet the minimum reserve
however.

Bonhams had expected the space rock to sell for $2.25 million to $2.75 million.

Smith said negotiations over the meteorite continued after the auction and that
a deal could be struck in days.

The owner of the meteorite, Marvin Kilgore, the curator at the University of
Arizona's Southwest Meteorite Center, was mystified by the sale of the
fossilized dung which is much more common than rocks that have fallen from
space.

"Some people want it on their shelves, I guess," he said.

The dung was bought by a phone bidder which the auction house declined to
identify.

(Reporting by Timothy Gardner, editing by Sandra Maler)


From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Thu May  1 00:00:57 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:00:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Bonhams Auction Completed.
In-Reply-To: <kufi14tp4gsqotl516v6ou133ibc606vuc@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <403552.20322.qm@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Darren, 
I was on the phone live when the Fukang was up, it was
bid up to $1,750,000 in the room!
It did not meet reserve and did not sell, but it is my
understanding that offers are still pouring in and it
may sell tomorrow. 
That is real money, not small change!
Michael Farmer
--- Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:43:17 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
> 
> > I am having my pieces picked up by a friend in NY
> and
> >shipped to me that way.
> >They sure seem to like to get every penny dont
> they?
> >It seems to have been a very good auction over all,
> >some things went cheaper than I would have thought,
> >but over all a stong showing. Add it up, hundreds
> of
> >thousands of $$$ sold in less than an hour, and
> >MILLIONS bid. Not bad.
> 
> Looks like Fukang didn't sell.
> 
>
http://www.iht.com/articles/reuters/2008/04/30/america/OUKWD-UK-AUCTION-DUNG.php
> 
> NEW YORK: Some dinosaur dung was snapped up at
> auction in New York even as a 4.5
> billion year old meteorite which was supposed to top
> the sale went unsold.
> 
> The two chunks of 130-million-year-old coprolite,
> otherwise known as fossilized
> dinosaur dung, fetched $960 (482 pounds) at Bonhams
> in New York on Wednesday,
> the auction house said.
> 
> The Jurassic-era rocks were sold for more than
> double their maximum estimate,
> said spokeswoman Staci Smith.
> 
> A 4.5 billion-year-old meteorite, on which a Chinese
> desert hiker habitually ate
> lunch before he discovered it was valuable, failed
> to meet the minimum reserve
> however.
> 
> Bonhams had expected the space rock to sell for
> $2.25 million to $2.75 million.
> 
> Smith said negotiations over the meteorite continued
> after the auction and that
> a deal could be struck in days.
> 
> The owner of the meteorite, Marvin Kilgore, the
> curator at the University of
> Arizona's Southwest Meteorite Center, was mystified
> by the sale of the
> fossilized dung which is much more common than rocks
> that have fallen from
> space.
> 
> "Some people want it on their shelves, I guess," he
> said.
> 
> The dung was bought by a phone bidder which the
> auction house declined to
> identify.
> 
> (Reporting by Timothy Gardner, editing by Sandra
> Maler)
> 
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From info at mcomemeteorite.it  Thu May  1 00:44:56 2008
From: info at mcomemeteorite.it (M come Meteorite Meteorites)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 06:44:56 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer in the Argentina Newpaper--sorry
	Spanish
Message-ID: <48194ac8.378.4bba.499517525@webmaildh4.aruba.it>

if I well remember in Argentina its forbidden take off
meteorites, seen Campo del Cielo....

Matteo

----- Original Message -----
Da : drtanuki <drtanuki at yahoo.com>
A : meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Oggetto : [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer in the Argentina
Newpaper--sorry Spanish
Data : Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:39:17 -0700 (PDT)

> Hello List,
>   Anyone wish to translate this for the LIST?  Thank
> you.  Dirk Ross...Tokyo
> 
> 
> 
> Denunciaron que un traficante estadounidense se llev?
> seis kilos del meteorito ca?do en Entre R?os 
>  
> La AEA exigi? a las autoridades gubernamentales que
> tomen cartas en el asunto. (Foto: Once Digital). 
> La Asociaci?n Entrerriana de Astronom?a (AEA)
inform?
> que el comerciante, traficante y coleccionista de
> meteoritos estadounidense Michael Farmer sustrajo seis
> kilos de piezas meteor?ticas ca?das en Entre R?os
d?as
> atr?s, en una expedici?n que realiz? a Colonia
Berduc,
> departamento Col?n. Integrantes de la entidad
> revelaron que tambi?n hubo otros traficantes
> argentinos y extranjeros que se alzaron con parte del
> material y agregaron que ?Farmer public? fotograf?as
> en su sitio web con total impunidad?.
> 
> ?Las autoridades provinciales en la materia ya fueron
> puestas en conocimiento por la AEA de este incidente y
> es nuestro deseo que act?en de forma urgente para
> evitar futuros saqueos al patrimonio de todos?,
> indicaron en declaraciones consignadas en Once
> Digital. 
> 
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From aknoefel at minorplanets.de  Thu May  1 05:33:18 2008
From: aknoefel at minorplanets.de (=?iso-8859-1?q?=41=6e=64=72=e9=20=4b=6e=f6=66=65=6c?=)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 11:33:18 +0200 (MEST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] pronouncing 'Orgueil'
Message-ID: <200805010933.m419XIXH019033@post.webmailer.de>

Hi Larry, hi all,

a 'quick&dirty' website with the pronouncation of the German names of meteorites in Austria, France, Germany and Poland is now online: 

http://www.minorplanets.de/meteorites/pronouncing/index_german.html

Hope all is correct... Feel free to use the wav-files for the project.

Andr?

From petrovich at sv-meteorites.com  Thu May  1 06:16:44 2008
From: petrovich at sv-meteorites.com (Sergey Vasiliev)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 12:16:44 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] pronouncing 'Orgueil'
Message-ID: <LCELIFLDMGKFPKOAIBKOIEKNEKAA.petrovich@sv-meteorites.com>

Hi List,

What about this meteorite crater name: El'gygytgyn? :-)

Voice recording is here:
http://sv-meteorites.jodoshared.com/Gallery/elgygydgyn.wav

Info about the crater:
http://impactites.net/Astroblemes.aspx

Have fun!
Sergey

-----------------------------------------

http://www.sv-meteorites.com
http://impactites.net
http://systematic-mineralogy.com


From info at meteorites.com.au  Thu May  1 06:25:58 2008
From: info at meteorites.com.au (Jeff Kuyken)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 20:25:58 +1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - April 30,
	2008
In-Reply-To: <c3b.3330e278.3549e366@aol.com>
References: <c3b.3330e278.3549e366@aol.com>
Message-ID: <975006F8A1A6474E91D97736D52D149F@JeffPC>

Howdy all,

Norbert has more great pics and an interesting page about this material 
here:

http://www.rocksonfire.com/edeowie%20glass.htm

Cheers,

Jeff

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Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 12:59 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - April 
30,2008


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From SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com  Thu May  1 06:40:30 2008
From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com (SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 06:40:30 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 1, 2008
Message-ID: <cf3.3023f66d.354af81e@aol.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/May_1_2008.html





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From nwa482 at comcast.net  Thu May  1 07:17:05 2008
From: nwa482 at comcast.net (Jim Strope)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 07:17:05 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Ebay Auctions ending
Message-ID: <000201c8ab7c$e3de24e0$0202a8c0@DJQVK441>

Good Morning All........

I have auctions ending tonight, ebay ID catchafallingstar.com.  ALL started
just at 99  Cents!!!

FULL RECAP:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZcatchafallingstar.com

Of special note is:

I have a stunning specimen of NWA2995 Lunar:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200217050624

And...NWA 2977 Lunar Gabbro:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200217093836

NWA 869 Coin/Medal #400:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200216969708

and Campo Coin/Medal #869 as:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200216970056

Thanks for looking ................

Jim Strope
http://www.catchafallingstar.com



From moni2555 at hotmail.com  Thu May  1 10:51:37 2008
From: moni2555 at hotmail.com (Moni Waiblinger)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 07:51:37 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 1,
 2008
In-Reply-To: <cf3.3023f66d.354af81e@aol.com>
References: <cf3.3023f66d.354af81e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY104-W413EC02E7CD2273F0AAEEECDDB0@phx.gbl>


Good Morning Everyone,

hey David,
cool license plate.
Now lets just show the IMCA members how you can find them meteorites in Wyoming!
This license plate will bring you good luck!!
Some day my friends and I have to come and help you.
There must be more Rock Springs meteorites.

See here:

METEORITE ASSOCIATES, in September 2003, I have received my classification information on my new meteorite find (2/15/03) from Dr. Alan Ruben at UCLA (11.2 gram type specimen location) and may or may not put it up for museum display or market. Classification, and final naming is complete, "ROCK SPRINGS" has a type specimen at UCLA now. It is an "equlibrated chondrite" L-6. Weather grade W2 Shock grade S2, Fa% 25.7 Total Known Weight 52 grams. Main mass is 40 grams, nice crust, little iron evident. The "Rock Springs" (In July 2004 Meteorite Bulletin) is the first new meteorite to come out of Wyoming in 56 years, and only the 13th. ever found here! It should make one heck of a "show and tell" rock for public lectures about meteorite education. 
Thanks to my good friend, Bob Verish for all of the help with classification! Check out www. meteoritetimes.com meteorite email magazine for tons of information about meteorites, meteorite hunting, collecting, market trends pictures, and lots of interesting stories!


Taken from this URL

http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=mjwy
 

"Buckleboo!" David!

Happy day and with best regards,
Moni


> From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com
> Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 06:40:30 -0400
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com; imca at imcamail.de
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 1, 2008
>
> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/May_1_2008.html
>
>
>

_________________________________________________________________
Back to work after baby?how do you know when you?re ready?
http://lifestyle.msn.com/familyandparenting/articleNW.aspx?cp-documentid=5797498&ocid=T067MSN40A0701A

From cynapse at charter.net  Thu May  1 11:24:21 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 11:24:21 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fictional book about meteorites
In-Reply-To: <DIIE.0000009900002917@paulinet.de>
References: <DIIE.0000009900002917@paulinet.de>
Message-ID: <n2oj14ph5v1bb23p3rtmjudjv3vhnvvqre@4ax.com>

More meteorite fiction (that sounds like crap) written by the guy who brought Da
Vinci fiction (that sounds like crap, but I'm one of the 12 people left in the
world who hasn't read the book or watched the movie)

http://www.amazon.com/Deception-Point-Dan-Brown/dp/1416524800/

From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Thu May  1 11:42:02 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 08:42:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Apology to list members and Randall Gregory
Message-ID: <577253.32202.qm@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Ok, in trying to get to the root of the feud between
Randall Gregory and I, I have decided that continued
warfare is useless, changing tactics, and defusing lit
bombs seems to be a better idea.


I have conversed with him via email for many hours
last night, and we agreed that we have both done each
other undeserved harm.

I will start with this.
Randall is angry because of the bad things I said
about him and the Aplao crater incident some years
ago.
I want to apologize to him regarding this, of course I
have never been there, so obviously I do not know much
about it. In true form then, I should have stayed out
of the matter. Only scientific investigation will
prove the truth behind the crater, not speculation.

Both of us said terrible things to each other in a
rapidly escalating battle. It is time to apologize and
move on. I am sorry for the bad things I posted to
this list, and said privately. It is childish and I am
above that. (Or at least will try to be in the
future). Some of those things actually got both of us
banned from the list for a time. I apologize to Art
for ignoring his rules.

Both of us were guilty, neither of us were right.

Michael Farmer

From Metorman46 at aol.com  Thu May  1 13:01:12 2008
From: Metorman46 at aol.com (Metorman46 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 13:01:12 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] What a surprise!
Message-ID: <c56.337f116e.354b5158@aol.com>

Hello Dave;
 
Thanks for the positive,pleasant post about wayner44.He sure made your  
day,i'll bet,and you sure made my day with such a positive post about someone  who 
did good and we never would have known about it if you hadn't taken the time  
to inform us.My hat is off to you.
 
Best Regards;Herman Archer IMCA 2770.



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From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Thu May  1 13:48:01 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 10:48:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ebay sale tonight.
Message-ID: <93234.90710.qm@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello again, it is that day of the week, EBAY day!

http://www.meteorite.com/farmer/


See the link above linking all of my auctions from
both of my ebay usernames. 

I have some wonderful pieces ending this week,
many goodies, take a look, many are still
at one cent.

Michael Farmer




From MeteorHntr at aol.com  Thu May  1 14:27:37 2008
From: MeteorHntr at aol.com (MeteorHntr at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 14:27:37 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ebay sale tonight.
Message-ID: <c62.2e115076.354b6599@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/1/2008 12:48:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
meteoriteguy at yahoo.com writes:

Hello again, it is that day of the week, EBAY day!

>"Ebay Day"???   Gimmick


http://www.meteorite.com/farmer/

See the link above  linking all of my auctions from
both of my ebay usernames. 

>Two Ebay Names???  Gimmick

I have some wonderful pieces  ending this week,
many goodies, take a look, many are still
at one  cent.
> "Wonderful," "many goodies," "take a look,"  "many are still  at one cent"  
Gimmick, gimmick, gimmick, gimmick!


Michael  Farmer


;-)

Steve Arnold #1

P.S.  For those of you that  are humor-challenged, that ;-) "wink" at the 
end, indicated a joke.  This  email was a joke. See, Mike called my desire to 
sell on Ebay as a "gimmick" the  other day, so I thought it would be funny to 
respond to his email with the same  thing, although as you can see I tastefully 
left out the personal bent in my  post.   If people fail to find the humor in 
this, I will next time put  "WARNING JOKE INCLOSED" in the subject line so you 
will all be forewarned.   But I am hoping most of you will have seen the humor 
in the post without even  the need for this lengthy postscript. 
 



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From meteoritekid at gmail.com  Thu May  1 14:48:51 2008
From: meteoritekid at gmail.com (Jason Utas)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 11:48:51 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] What a surprise! (not)
Message-ID: <93aaac890805011148s4c5eed81h5fb44bfbe6c21c7@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Herman, Dave, All,
Regardless of whether or not he discounted shipping, he did still
'lift' a description that was written by someone else - without asking
for the right to use it.
This has been noted as an issue in the past, and it is clear that
(although he did well to find a cheaper shipping service) wayner44
still made a mistake in copying a description which he could easily
have, at the very least, credited to the author.  I see no excuse for
doing what he did - except for laziness.
Furthermore, who on earth would pay more than a few dollars to ship a
twenty gram bit of Henbury?  I think you're looking at this the wrong
way; it should have cost only a few dollars to ship it in the first
place.  He discounted it $9 from...what, exactly?  Needless to say, it
would have been ridiculous had he *not* changed the shipping cost.
What he did was not a shining example of charity, ingenuity, or
intelligence.  What he did was reasonable, nothing more - to say
nothing of his plagiarism.
Regards,
Jason

On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 10:01 AM,  <Metorman46 at aol.com> wrote:
> Hello Dave;
>
> Thanks for the positive,pleasant post about wayner44.He sure made your
> day,i'll bet,and you sure made my day with such a positive post about someone  who
> did good and we never would have known about it if you hadn't taken the time
> to inform us.My hat is off to you.
>
> Best Regards;Herman Archer IMCA 2770.
>
>
>
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From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Thu May  1 14:50:02 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 11:50:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ebay sale tonight.
In-Reply-To: <c62.2e115076.354b6599@aol.com>
Message-ID: <478427.4262.qm@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Sorry Steve, 
facts are not gimmicks.

This is my sale day, one of the 7 of the week it must
be, so is there a day which you can enlighten me of
that is not "gimmick" day?
 I use two usernames to seperate my items (can you
keep track of my usual 50 to 80 items a week) it is my
system to divide auctions into two batches, that way
when someone paypals me for item X, I know from my
system that it is in drawer X.  idont have to search
60 micros for one piece, but 30, thus much faster. 
No gimmick, no scam (cant figure out how that might be
a scam) just a system I use to divide sales up for
easier listing. I have been doing the same exact sales
and usernames for more than 10 years, nothing
confusing about it.

Your "Gimmmick" as I called it, is a confusing
"reverse" sale, which does not make sense, you
yourself say it "hurts the seller" well, rational
people want to make money, not give things away. 
It is a gimmick to do things in an off the wall way
which confuses people and makes the whole buying
process harder to understand. 

It was discussed on the internet, people were trying
to figure out even what kind of sale it was, that my
friend, is the classic definition of "GIMMICK".

The mortgage crisis in the USA right now is a product
of mortgage "gimmicks" to confuse people, let more
people in on the action, and make things harder than
they are. Now the scheme has collapsed.

Put your things on ebay, let them end where they end,
simple, anyone can figure it out, and it is the way
99.9% of auctions are done, thus NOT A GIMMICK. 

This humor is not that funny Steve.

Michael Farmer


--- MeteorHntr at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 5/1/2008 12:48:22 P.M. Central
> Daylight Time,  
> meteoriteguy at yahoo.com writes:
> 
> Hello again, it is that day of the week, EBAY day!
> 
> >"Ebay Day"???   Gimmick
> 
> 
> http://www.meteorite.com/farmer/
> 
> See the link above  linking all of my auctions from
> both of my ebay usernames. 
> 
> >Two Ebay Names???  Gimmick
> 
> I have some wonderful pieces  ending this week,
> many goodies, take a look, many are still
> at one  cent.
> > "Wonderful," "many goodies," "take a look,"  "many
> are still  at one cent"  
> Gimmick, gimmick, gimmick, gimmick!
> 
> 
> Michael  Farmer
> 
> 
> ;-)
> 
> Steve Arnold #1
> 
> P.S.  For those of you that  are humor-challenged,
> that ;-) "wink" at the 
> end, indicated a joke.  This  email was a joke. See,
> Mike called my desire to 
> sell on Ebay as a "gimmick" the  other day, so I
> thought it would be funny to 
> respond to his email with the same  thing, although
> as you can see I tastefully 
> left out the personal bent in my  post.   If people
> fail to find the humor in 
> this, I will next time put  "WARNING JOKE INCLOSED"
> in the subject line so you 
> will all be forewarned.   But I am hoping most of
> you will have seen the humor 
> in the post without even  the need for this lengthy
> postscript. 
>  
> 
> 
> 
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From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Thu May  1 14:52:42 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 11:52:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] What a surprise! (not)
In-Reply-To: <93aaac890805011148s4c5eed81h5fb44bfbe6c21c7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <159827.5396.qm@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

A 20 gram Henbury can be shipped to the UK for under
$2.00. The minumum for one ounce to the USA in a
bubble envelope is now $1.13, yet I can send the same
bubble envelope to the UK for $1.01.
Actually cheaper to send overseas for less than one
ounce packet, than to send to my next door neighbor. 
The US government shows us how smart it is again.
Michael Farmer
--- Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Herman, Dave, All,
> Regardless of whether or not he discounted shipping,
> he did still
> 'lift' a description that was written by someone
> else - without asking
> for the right to use it.
> This has been noted as an issue in the past, and it
> is clear that
> (although he did well to find a cheaper shipping
> service) wayner44
> still made a mistake in copying a description which
> he could easily
> have, at the very least, credited to the author.  I
> see no excuse for
> doing what he did - except for laziness.
> Furthermore, who on earth would pay more than a few
> dollars to ship a
> twenty gram bit of Henbury?  I think you're looking
> at this the wrong
> way; it should have cost only a few dollars to ship
> it in the first
> place.  He discounted it $9 from...what, exactly? 
> Needless to say, it
> would have been ridiculous had he *not* changed the
> shipping cost.
> What he did was not a shining example of charity,
> ingenuity, or
> intelligence.  What he did was reasonable, nothing
> more - to say
> nothing of his plagiarism.
> Regards,
> Jason
> 
> On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 10:01 AM, 
> <Metorman46 at aol.com> wrote:
> > Hello Dave;
> >
> > Thanks for the positive,pleasant post about
> wayner44.He sure made your
> > day,i'll bet,and you sure made my day with such a
> positive post about someone  who
> > did good and we never would have known about it if
> you hadn't taken the time
> > to inform us.My hat is off to you.
> >
> > Best Regards;Herman Archer IMCA 2770.
> >
> >
> >
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From paul at meteorite.com  Thu May  1 15:13:34 2008
From: paul at meteorite.com (Paul Harris)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 12:13:34 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Explanation for www.meteorite.com/farmer/
In-Reply-To: <c62.2e115076.354b6599@aol.com>
References: <c62.2e115076.354b6599@aol.com>
Message-ID: <481A165E.6090003@meteorite.com>

Dear List,

To prevent me from having to spend anymore of my time explaining myself 
I'm sending this to the whole list.

First, this has nothing to do with Steve Arnold #1 and his recent post.  
Second, I will not say who questioned my "motives" but I hope they now 
understand.

The link we have on www.meteorite.com to Michael Farmer's ebay auctions 
was NOT done as a way to promote meteorite.com to the meteorite-list.  
This link was done for Michael as an example for him to visually see if 
he liked my idea on how he could create his own ebay listings page on 
his own site.  Michael liked the idea so I sent him the HTML code and 
the php script code so he could build his own ebay auction listings 
page.  Michael has been very busy and has not had time to create his own 
page yet so he has been using the example page on our site until he 
creates his own.

Regards,

Paul Harris
The Meteorite Exchange, Inc.

> http://www.meteorite.com/farmer/
>
> See the link above  linking all of my auctions from
> both of my ebay usernames. 
>
>   



From gmhupe at htn.net  Thu May  1 15:27:01 2008
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 15:27:01 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] GimmiCK Sale - Kind of Gimmick Joke
References: <c62.2e115076.354b6599@aol.com>
Message-ID: <044f01c8abc1$549b4980$0200a8c0@Gregor>

Hi Steve and GimmiCK Lovers,

How about this for a real "GimmiCK" sale:

I had the last few pieces of my new CK5 (NWA 4800) auctions end yesterday on 
eBay, some went unsold. I propose that anyone who wants one of the last "CK" 
slices for opening price, I will throw in the "Gimmi" for FREE!!! How's that 
for a true "GimmiCK"?! ;-)

Best regards and Have a Great Day!
Greg

====================
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The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
gmhupe at htn.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163
====================
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: <MeteorHntr at aol.com>
To: <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>; <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay sale tonight.


> In a message dated 5/1/2008 12:48:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> meteoriteguy at yahoo.com writes:
>
> Hello again, it is that day of the week, EBAY day!
>
>>"Ebay Day"???   Gimmick
>
>
> http://www.meteorite.com/farmer/
>
> See the link above  linking all of my auctions from
> both of my ebay usernames.
>
>>Two Ebay Names???  Gimmick
>
> I have some wonderful pieces  ending this week,
> many goodies, take a look, many are still
> at one  cent.
>> "Wonderful," "many goodies," "take a look,"  "many are still  at one 
>> cent"
> Gimmick, gimmick, gimmick, gimmick!
>
>
> Michael  Farmer
>
>
> ;-)
>
> Steve Arnold #1
>
> P.S.  For those of you that  are humor-challenged, that ;-) "wink" at the
> end, indicated a joke.  This  email was a joke. See, Mike called my desire 
> to
> sell on Ebay as a "gimmick" the  other day, so I thought it would be funny 
> to
> respond to his email with the same  thing, although as you can see I 
> tastefully
> left out the personal bent in my  post.   If people fail to find the humor 
> in
> this, I will next time put  "WARNING JOKE INCLOSED" in the subject line so 
> you
> will all be forewarned.   But I am hoping most of you will have seen the 
> humor
> in the post without even  the need for this lengthy postscript.
>
>
>
>
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> car
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From meteoritemall at yahoo.com  Thu May  1 15:31:16 2008
From: meteoritemall at yahoo.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 12:31:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] What the heck is going on??
Message-ID: <574821.11449.qm@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Geezz!
I'm slow, so maybe I missed something but....

Did we run out of reasons to stop bashing Steve Arnold
(Chicago)? Or Bob Evans or other such screw-ups?

I hate to see Farmer, Arnold#1 and Paul Harris in the
cross hairs of each others scopes...

First, because they are very knowledgeable and highly
respected.

Second, cause they are my Friends.

Next thing you know Notkin and Haag are gonna square
off in the octagon! Whats next?

No More Dudes! 

Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
http://www.mr-meteorite.com


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From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Thu May  1 15:33:47 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 12:33:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] What the heck is going on??
In-Reply-To: <574821.11449.qm@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <566571.86952.qm@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Ruben, I don't know, but the Haag and Notkin thing
would be a pay-per-view hit! 
It must be that time of year where spring cleaning is
done, skeletons are tossed out of the closet and
feelings are hurt and vultures are waiting to rip the
unfortunate to shreds.
Michael Farmer
--- Ruben Garcia <meteoritemall at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Geezz!
> I'm slow, so maybe I missed something but....
> 
> Did we run out of reasons to stop bashing Steve
> Arnold
> (Chicago)? Or Bob Evans or other such screw-ups?
> 
> I hate to see Farmer, Arnold#1 and Paul Harris in
> the
> cross hairs of each others scopes...
> 
> First, because they are very knowledgeable and
> highly
> respected.
> 
> Second, cause they are my Friends.
> 
> Next thing you know Notkin and Haag are gonna square
> off in the octagon! Whats next?
> 
> No More Dudes! 
> 
> Ruben Garcia
> Phoenix, Arizona
> http://www.mr-meteorite.com
> 
> 
>      
>
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From markig at westnet.com  Thu May  1 15:50:26 2008
From: markig at westnet.com (Mark Grossman)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 15:50:26 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Technical Questions - Lab Analysis of Meteorite
	Specimens - Methods to investigate whether specimens came
	from the same sample
Message-ID: <001101c8abc4$9a207fe0$6501a8c0@QED>

Technical question for the list:

Suppose there was a meteorite sample (stone, not an iron) in one collection
and a sample in another collection, and one wanted to find out if they were
once pieces from the same stone.

Obviously, there would be a physical examination as to appearance, whether
the two fit together, etc.

But what laboratory tests could be run to confirm, or at least provide
evidence to support, that the two stones were once one?

I have a chemistry background, but not a meteorite analysis background!  Are
there lab techniques that can fingerprint the two specimens to show that
they are from the same stone?  I am thinking about fingerprints involving
the identity and concentrations of various trace elements, perhaps using
techniques such as SEM with electron microbe analysis, neutron activation
analysis, etc.  What about microscopic or X-ray diffraction analysis?

If there are such methods that can fingerprint two specimens to show that
they were once part of the same stone, how accurate are they, e.g. what is
the confidence level that one can be "assured" that the two were once one?

If the methods are destructive, how much of the meteorite would be lost in
the analysis, or put another way, how much of the meteorite do you need to
do a proper analysis?

If there are any collectors or scientists out there who know of any
published references or case studies, or perhaps a good primer on the
subject, or who have dealt with a similar situation, it would be greatly
appreciated if you would let me know.

Thanks for any help you can provide!

Mark Grossman

PS - I already know that some of the tests would be expensive and
destructive, and why would a collector go through all of the trouble, etc,
etc.  Regardless, I need the technical information.  Thanks!


From paul at meteorite.com  Thu May  1 15:55:31 2008
From: paul at meteorite.com (Paul Harris)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 12:55:31 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] What the heck is going on??  - Nothing
In-Reply-To: <574821.11449.qm@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <574821.11449.qm@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <481A2033.1080306@meteorite.com>

Hi Ruben,

There has never been a problem between myself and Steve or Michael.

I said in my email then this had "NOTHING" to do with Steve's email and 
I just told Michael not to worry how long it took for him to get his 
page up.

I forgot to mention that if anyone else wants to be able to list their 
ebay actions on their own page please email me privately.  I've got a 
zillion projects going on but I'll help anyone in the order in which 
your email is received.  It may take a couple of days for me to reply.

Thanks,

Paul



Ruben Garcia wrote:
> Geezz!
> I'm slow, so maybe I missed something but....
>
> Did we run out of reasons to stop bashing Steve Arnold
> (Chicago)? Or Bob Evans or other such screw-ups?
>
> I hate to see Farmer, Arnold#1 and Paul Harris in the
> cross hairs of each others scopes...
>
> First, because they are very knowledgeable and highly
> respected.
>
> Second, cause they are my Friends.
>
> Next thing you know Notkin and Haag are gonna square
> off in the octagon! Whats next?
>
> No More Dudes! 
>
> Ruben Garcia
> Phoenix, Arizona
> http://www.mr-meteorite.com
>
>
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From mark at meteorites.cc  Thu May  1 16:19:11 2008
From: mark at meteorites.cc (Mark Crawford)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 21:19:11 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Messing around with filters
Message-ID: <481A25BF.5000403@meteorites.cc>

I've admired the images of thin sections posted on the list since I 
joined last year. I thought I'd have a go at seeing what I could achieve 
on a very low budget. I had fun, and thought some of you might enjoy 
reading about it.

http://meteorites.cc/xpl/xpl.html

Mark

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From gmhupe at htn.net  Thu May  1 16:45:10 2008
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 16:45:10 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] What the heck is going on??
References: <574821.11449.qm@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <047901c8abcc$3fb36a60$0200a8c0@Gregor>

Ruben wrote:
"Next thing you know Notkin and Haag are gonna square off in the octagon! 
Whats next?"

I say we make it a cage fight and throw in some raw chicken and a shot of 
Tequila, maybe a starving pitbull for good measure! Sounds like the good old 
popcorn days....

I think we all know that all of this is nothing, just some good old 
fashioned joking and jabbing. At least that is how I perceived it. OK, back 
to finishing the chores so I can throw that raw chicken on the grill!

Best regards,
Greg

====================
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NaturesVault (eBay)
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www.LunarRock.com
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====================
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ruben Garcia" <meteoritemall at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 3:31 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] What the heck is going on??


> Geezz!
> I'm slow, so maybe I missed something but....
>
> Did we run out of reasons to stop bashing Steve Arnold
> (Chicago)? Or Bob Evans or other such screw-ups?
>
> I hate to see Farmer, Arnold#1 and Paul Harris in the
> cross hairs of each others scopes...
>
> First, because they are very knowledgeable and highly
> respected.
>
> Second, cause they are my Friends.
>
> Next thing you know Notkin and Haag are gonna square
> off in the octagon! Whats next?
>
> No More Dudes!
>
> Ruben Garcia
> Phoenix, Arizona
> http://www.mr-meteorite.com
>
>
> 
> ____________________________________________________________________________________
> Be a better friend, newshound, and
> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile.  Try it now. 
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From grf2 at verizon.net  Thu May  1 17:12:06 2008
From: grf2 at verizon.net (Jerry)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 17:12:06 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Apology to list members and Randall Gregory
In-Reply-To: <577253.32202.qm@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <577253.32202.qm@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <252C3822F45341E684BAFAC9B40054A1@Notebook>

Thanks for the public apology Mike. I hope for your sake this resolves a 
nasty situation.
Jerry Flaherty
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Farmer" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 11:42 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Apology to list members and Randall Gregory


> Ok, in trying to get to the root of the feud between
> Randall Gregory and I, I have decided that continued
> warfare is useless, changing tactics, and defusing lit
> bombs seems to be a better idea.
>
>
> I have conversed with him via email for many hours
> last night, and we agreed that we have both done each
> other undeserved harm.
>
> I will start with this.
> Randall is angry because of the bad things I said
> about him and the Aplao crater incident some years
> ago.
> I want to apologize to him regarding this, of course I
> have never been there, so obviously I do not know much
> about it. In true form then, I should have stayed out
> of the matter. Only scientific investigation will
> prove the truth behind the crater, not speculation.
>
> Both of us said terrible things to each other in a
> rapidly escalating battle. It is time to apologize and
> move on. I am sorry for the bad things I posted to
> this list, and said privately. It is childish and I am
> above that. (Or at least will try to be in the
> future). Some of those things actually got both of us
> banned from the list for a time. I apologize to Art
> for ignoring his rules.
>
> Both of us were guilty, neither of us were right.
>
> Michael Farmer
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From STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com  Thu May  1 17:19:33 2008
From: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com (STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 17:19:33 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Messing around with filters
Message-ID: <c50.2ae94350.354b8de5@aol.com>

Hi Mark,  Thanks for the cool story.   All list members should check it out.  

Those Xpol images are not  bad at all.  I am looking forward to what you will 
do with your new  Olympus.  

I think you are just going to need to get used to sharing  the $ you spend on 
rocks with the thin sections you will want as  well.

When you get the new scope up and running please share those images  with us 
as well.

Tom Phillips

In a message dated 5/1/2008 3:19:43  P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
mark at meteorites.cc writes:
I've admired the  images of thin sections posted on the list since I 
joined last year. I  thought I'd have a go at seeing what I could achieve 
on a very low budget. I  had fun, and thought some of you might enjoy 
reading about  it.

http://meteorites.cc/xpl/xpl.html

Mark

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From MeteorHntr at aol.com  Thu May  1 17:23:08 2008
From: MeteorHntr at aol.com (MeteorHntr at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 17:23:08 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ebay sale tonight.
Message-ID: <bc8.2ad52ae7.354b8ebc@aol.com>


Mike,

My bad.  I should  have written in my last post that my reply was all just a 
joke.  Or at  least I could put in a wink ;-) so people would know it was a 
joke.   

Of course nothing in your post was a gimmick.

Next time I will  put something in the Subject line saying that a joke is 
enclosed so no one will  be confused.

Steve #1


In a message dated 5/1/2008 1:50:36 P.M.  Central Daylight Time, 
meteoriteguy at yahoo.com writes:
Sorry Steve, 
facts  are not gimmicks.

This is my sale day, one of the 7 of the week it  must
be, so is there a day which you can enlighten me of
that is not  "gimmick" day?
I use two usernames to seperate my items (can you
keep  track of my usual 50 to 80 items a week) it is my
system to divide auctions  into two batches, that way
when someone paypals me for item X, I know from  my
system that it is in drawer X.  idont have to search
60 micros for  one piece, but 30, thus much faster. 
No gimmick, no scam (cant figure out  how that might be
a scam) just a system I use to divide sales up  for
easier listing. I have been doing the same exact sales
and usernames  for more than 10 years, nothing
confusing about it.

Your "Gimmmick" as  I called it, is a confusing
"reverse" sale, which does not make sense,  you
yourself say it "hurts the seller" well, rational
people want to make  money, not give things away. 
It is a gimmick to do things in an off the wall  way
which confuses people and makes the whole buying
process harder to  understand. 

It was discussed on the internet, people were trying
to  figure out even what kind of sale it was, that my
friend, is the classic  definition of "GIMMICK".

The mortgage crisis in the USA right now is a  product
of mortgage "gimmicks" to confuse people, let more
people in on  the action, and make things harder than
they are. Now the scheme has  collapsed.

Put your things on ebay, let them end where they  end,
simple, anyone can figure it out, and it is the way
99.9% of auctions  are done, thus NOT A GIMMICK. 

This humor is not that funny  Steve.

Michael Farmer


--- MeteorHntr at aol.com  wrote:

> In a message dated 5/1/2008 12:48:22 P.M. Central
>  Daylight Time,  
> meteoriteguy at yahoo.com writes:
> 
>  Hello again, it is that day of the week, EBAY day!
> 
> >"Ebay  Day"???   Gimmick
> 
> 
>  http://www.meteorite.com/farmer/
> 
> See the link above   linking all of my auctions from
> both of my ebay usernames. 
>  
> >Two Ebay Names???  Gimmick
> 
> I have some  wonderful pieces  ending this week,
> many goodies, take a look, many  are still
> at one  cent.
> > "Wonderful," "many goodies,"  "take a look,"  "many
> are still  at one cent"  
>  Gimmick, gimmick, gimmick, gimmick!
> 
> 
> Michael   Farmer
> 
> 
> ;-)
> 
> Steve Arnold #1
>  
> P.S.  For those of you that  are humor-challenged,
>  that ;-) "wink" at the 
> end, indicated a joke.  This  email  was a joke. See,
> Mike called my desire to 
> sell on Ebay as a  "gimmick" the  other day, so I
> thought it would be funny to  
> respond to his email with the same  thing, although
> as you  can see I tastefully 
> left out the personal bent in my   post.   If people
> fail to find the humor in 
> this, I  will next time put  "WARNING JOKE INCLOSED"
> in the subject line so  you 
> will all be forewarned.   But I am hoping most of
>  you will have seen the humor 
> in the post without even  the need  for this lengthy
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From mlblood at cox.net  Thu May  1 17:34:07 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 14:34:07 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] NEW METEORITE FRIENDS PAGE!
In-Reply-To: <481A2033.1080306@meteorite.com>
Message-ID: <C43F855F.164D5%mlblood@cox.net>

Greetings one and all,
        FIRST: My "original" Meteorite Friends Photo Page will continue at:

http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/MeteoriteFriends.html

And it is anticipated it will be very useful for generic identification
Of people to whom one is writing or for identifying/reminding one
Of who's post it is you are reading on the list. It is also very handy
For review, if like me, you are nearly brain dead when it comes to
Remembering names and you are about to go off to the Tucson Show,
Etc.

        SECOND: Now, a new and vastly more informative version will ALSO
Be available thanks to the hard work and good will of Paul Harris of
Meteorite Exchange. Such things being far beyond my web page "skills"
(which are laughable), Paul has generously created a page for me whereby
Everyone who wants to can expand their information exponentially.
        Several elements have been added. (any or all of which are available
But not required) by both old and new members of my Meteorite
Friends Page - as follows:

1) MULTIPLE PHOTOS: Each person, while a "Portrait" must be the
1st photo (so people can easily identify you) you can add up to 4 additional
Photos. I know many people who wanted photos of them next to a large
Meteorite, with family members, engaged in a sport - whatever. Now you can.
NOTE: If you are on the original page, you do not have to submit your
portrait again - it will automatically be used, but you may submit a
different one if you so choose.

2) MULTIPLE CATEGORIES: You can be listed in up to 5 of the following 6
categories:
- All Meteorite Friends (everyone will be in this one)
- Meteorite Hunters (either "group hunts welcome" or "like to hunt alone")
- Friends With Non-Commercial Web Sites
- Meteorite Dealers
- eBay Sellers and Buyers
- In Remembrance 

3) DESCRIPTION or "meteorite biography" of yourself - here you can include
your contact information IF DESIRED, and any info you want to share. For
A guide - check the difference between Paul and me - I was very "formal" but
After reading Paul's I will be editing mine to make it more casual. The
choice is, of course, yours. In fact - you don't have to put anything in
this description if you don't want to.

4) eBAY name 

5) Email address and/ or phone number IF YOU WANT.

6) EASILY EDITED: Want to add something after registering?
    Want to change something? No problem, you just go into
    "my account" and click on "edit" and do your thing! This makes
    the information a living document. To top this off, searchers
    can go to a category: Newest Updated Friends and see, in
    chronological order who has been most recently added or
    changed/added information. Very useful.

7) EASY TO GET INFO:
- Friends listed by both first name and last name
- dBay names if the person is willing to share this info
- Mutiple photos
- Learn more about the people with whom you communicate
- Look for people with which to go meteorite hunting.
- How to contact many of the friends
- Check out people's web sites
- ETC.

        Many thanks to Paul for all his work on this.
        To be included in this new Friends Page (and check out who's already
"up") , go to:

http://www.meteorite.com/friends/

        Hopefully this will make my Meteorite Friends Page more useful to
Members of our community - and spur those who have so far drug their
Heels to add themselves and join the party!
        Best wishes, Michael


Post Script:
        (No one will be "automatically" added - YOU must add yourself.
Existing members of my original page are automatically "accepted."
The same criteria applies to those very few destructive elements on
The fringe who are not welcome {ie: if you are a convicted meteorite
Thief who pled guilty in court don't bother to apply})

  












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From mikewren at gilanet.com  Thu May  1 17:53:21 2008
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 15:53:21 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD:  For Real,
	But Gimmick Too: HELP SAVE THIS ENDCUT!
Message-ID: <200805011556678.SM01488@yourfsyly0jtwn>

Hello,

I am looking for real good offers $$$ and or real good trades, or a combo of
both!  Please Help Save This Museum Piece- endcut from my Saw..

Go to:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220400329


Thanks and Best Wishes

Michael Cottingham



From MeteorHntr at aol.com  Thu May  1 18:10:06 2008
From: MeteorHntr at aol.com (MeteorHntr at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 18:10:06 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] GimmiCK Sale - WARNING Joke enclosed!!!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <d16.288c3ba3.354b99be@aol.com>



*************WARNING, JOKE BELOW****************
 
    ***********ATTENTION:  JOKE  COMING***************
 
HEAR YE, HEAR YE, HEAR YE:  JOKETH APPROACHETH
 
This is test of the Humorous Broadcast Network.  This is a joke, and  only a 
joke.  If this were a real insult, you would have been informed by  private 
email, and not via the M-list.   Again, this is only a  joke...
 
 
Greg,
 
It sounds like your "GimmiCK" offer (below) is just a gimmick to me!
 
;-)   
 
Did EVERYONE notice the wink above??? 
 
This was a sign that I was only joking.  Of course I don't think  Greg's 
GimmiCK offer is a gimmick.  I was only trying to use  humor.  In advance, I 
apologize to anyone and everyone that I may have  offended, especially but not 
limited to Greg Hupe.  
 
This concludes this test of the Humorous Broadcast Network, we will now  
return you to the serious posts on the M-list.
 
Thank You,
Steve #1
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 5/1/2008 2:27:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
gmhupe at htn.net writes:
Hi Steve and GimmiCK Lovers,

How about this for  a real "GimmiCK" sale:

I had the last few pieces of my new CK5 (NWA 4800)  auctions end yesterday on 
eBay, some went unsold. I propose that anyone who  wants one of the last "CK" 
slices for opening price, I will throw in the  "Gimmi" for FREE!!! How's that 
for a true "GimmiCK"?! ;-)

Best  regards and Have a Great Day!
Greg

====================
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From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Thu May  1 18:30:44 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 15:30:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Apology to list members and Randall Gregory
In-Reply-To: <252C3822F45341E684BAFAC9B40054A1@Notebook>
Message-ID: <90464.21094.qm@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Jerry, unfortunately it was for naught. 

I made an agreement with Randall last night, I
complied with his wishes, that to bury the hatchet I
would publicly  apologize so that we could both stop
this nonsense. 
Within minutes of my email to the list, I got a
non-stop barrage of threats, invitations, and laughs
about how he "fooled" me. Very Casperesque if I do say
so myself. Remmember that nonsense?

I am the fool, I thought I could deal with a person of
his nature, it can't be done. There is no rhyme or
reason to it. I have blocked his emails, will not
worry about what he says, and request the unless you
list members want a new "best buddy", that you might
want to do the same. 
If my body is found missing my skin, check his house
for a hole in the floor and lotion in a basket, or did
any of you miss "Silence of the Lambs":). Seriously,
this is beyind creepy at this point. 

Michael Farmer

From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Thu May  1 18:30:49 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 15:30:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Apology to list members and Randall Gregory
In-Reply-To: <252C3822F45341E684BAFAC9B40054A1@Notebook>
Message-ID: <800227.17796.qm@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Jerry, unfortunately it was for naught. 

I made an agreement with Randall last night, I
complied with his wishes, that to bury the hatchet I
would publicly  apologize so that we could both stop
this nonsense. 
Within minutes of my email to the list, I got a
non-stop barrage of threats, invitations, and laughs
about how he "fooled" me. Very Casperesque if I do say
so myself. Remmember that nonsense?

I am the fool, I thought I could deal with a person of
his nature, it can't be done. There is no rhyme or
reason to it. I have blocked his emails, will not
worry about what he says, and request the unless you
list members want a new "best buddy", that you might
want to do the same. 
If my body is found missing my skin, check his house
for a hole in the floor and lotion in a basket, or did
any of you miss "Silence of the Lambs":). Seriously,
this is beyind creepy at this point. 

Michael Farmer

From MeteorHntr at aol.com  Thu May  1 18:36:13 2008
From: MeteorHntr at aol.com (MeteorHntr at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 18:36:13 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] WARNING: NOT a Joke;
	definition of "Gimmick" enclosed
Message-ID: <c90.23ef9395.354b9fdd@aol.com>

Warning, this is NOT a joke.

This is a  serious post:


Hello List,

Check out:    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimmick 

Thanks,
Steve  




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From wahlperry at aol.com  Thu May  1 19:12:51 2008
From: wahlperry at aol.com (wahlperry at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 19:12:51 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Trade offer,
	Hoodia Gordonii plants for meteorites or meteorite stuff.
Message-ID: <8CA79F80314198D-60C-2F1B@webmail-nb07.sysops.aol.com>

Hi All,

I have a few Hoodia Gordonii plants that I would like to trade for 
meteorites or meteorite stuff. The plants are in 1 and 5 gallon pots. 
They would be shipped bare root or you could pick up. email off list 
for pictures. Or I could do a "reverse" sale.
Just teasing.

Sonny

From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Thu May  1 19:18:52 2008
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 16:18:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] oriented sikote-alin's forsale (AD)
Message-ID: <91796.9555.qm@web57810.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Good evening list.I have a few oriented sikote-alins I want to sell.I am trying to raise some cash to get a couple of pieces I would want.I even have the S-A BULLIT forsale that was originally mike farmers.Pics and prices offlist.

Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!!  ???? The Asteroid Belt!  ??? http://chicagometeorites.net/  ??? Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999  ??? Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites


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From gmhupe at htn.net  Thu May  1 18:27:44 2008
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 18:27:44 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] GimmiCK Sale - WARNING Joke enclosed!!!!!!!!!
References: <d16.288c3ba3.354b99be@aol.com>
Message-ID: <04d001c8abe6$e069ff90$0200a8c0@Gregor>

Hi Steve and all Gimmickers,

I think we need to have a contest on this List, heck both Lists so we can 
receive them twice, to see who can come up with the best, silliest, 
most-lame, or otherwise "Gimmick" to offer, sell, trade, parade, give, show, 
whatever... I say we start this new "contest" on May 6th and let it run for 
a couple weeks (I will be away from a computer during this time!! ;-) 
another 'gimmick' joke, he he.

As far as my "GimmiCK" sale, it was just a joke, albeit a clever one if I 
don't say so myself ;-)

Best regards,
Greg

====================
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The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
gmhupe at htn.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163
====================
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: <MeteorHntr at aol.com>
To: <gmhupe at htn.net>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 6:10 PM
Subject: Re:GimmiCK Sale - WARNING Joke enclosed!!!!!!!!!


>
>
> *************WARNING, JOKE BELOW****************
>
>    ***********ATTENTION:  JOKE  COMING***************
>
> HEAR YE, HEAR YE, HEAR YE:  JOKETH APPROACHETH
>
> This is test of the Humorous Broadcast Network.  This is a joke, and  only 
> a
> joke.  If this were a real insult, you would have been informed by 
> private
> email, and not via the M-list.   Again, this is only a  joke...
>
>
> Greg,
>
> It sounds like your "GimmiCK" offer (below) is just a gimmick to me!
>
> ;-)
>
> Did EVERYONE notice the wink above???
>
> This was a sign that I was only joking.  Of course I don't think  Greg's
> GimmiCK offer is a gimmick.  I was only trying to use  humor.  In advance, 
> I
> apologize to anyone and everyone that I may have  offended, especially but 
> not
> limited to Greg Hupe.
>
> This concludes this test of the Humorous Broadcast Network, we will now
> return you to the serious posts on the M-list.
>
> Thank You,
> Steve #1
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 5/1/2008 2:27:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> gmhupe at htn.net writes:
> Hi Steve and GimmiCK Lovers,
>
> How about this for  a real "GimmiCK" sale:
>
> I had the last few pieces of my new CK5 (NWA 4800)  auctions end yesterday 
> on
> eBay, some went unsold. I propose that anyone who  wants one of the last 
> "CK"
> slices for opening price, I will throw in the  "Gimmi" for FREE!!! How's 
> that
> for a true "GimmiCK"?! ;-)
>
> Best  regards and Have a Great Day!
> Greg
>
> ====================
> Greg  Hupe
> The Hupe Collection
> NaturesVault  (eBay)
> gmhupe at htn.net
> www.LunarRock.com
> IMCA  3163
> ====================
> Click here for my current eBay auctions:
> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault
>
>
>
>
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From bobe5531 at comcast.net  Thu May  1 19:58:15 2008
From: bobe5531 at comcast.net (bobe5531 at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 23:58:15 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] What the heck is going on??
Message-ID: <050120082358.24932.481A591700064727000061642206824693CECCCACA0A0D010D@comcast.net>

Still here Ruben,

Do you have something to say about me ? or just general BS ?
I cant wait to see you and all my friends in Tucson 09.
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Ruben Garcia <meteoritemall at yahoo.com>
> Geezz!
> I'm slow, so maybe I missed something but....
> 
> Did we run out of reasons to stop bashing Steve Arnold
> (Chicago)? Or Bob Evans or other such screw-ups?
> 
> I hate to see Farmer, Arnold#1 and Paul Harris in the
> cross hairs of each others scopes...
> 
> First, because they are very knowledgeable and highly
> respected.
> 
> Second, cause they are my Friends.
> 
> Next thing you know Notkin and Haag are gonna square
> off in the octagon! Whats next?
> 
> No More Dudes! 
> 
> Ruben Garcia
> Phoenix, Arizona
> http://www.mr-meteorite.com
> 
> 
>       
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From gmhupe at htn.net  Thu May  1 20:04:58 2008
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 20:04:58 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Trade offer,
	Hoodia Gordonii plants for meteorites or meteorite stuff.
References: <8CA79F80314198D-60C-2F1B@webmail-nb07.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <04f601c8abe8$28f757c0$0200a8c0@Gregor>

Hi Sonny,

Outstanding! I have a few gallons of meteorite cutting dust we can plant... 
those plants in and see what kind of crazy morph they grow into. Maybe one 
of those flesh eating plants from that movie....oh crud, can't remember the 
name but Rick Moranis was in it, "Feed me Seymore, feed me!!" Maybe then we 
can feed those flesh eating birds that "befriended" Robert down south!

Greg



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <wahlperry at aol.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 7:12 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Trade offer,Hoodia Gordonii plants for meteorites 
or meteorite stuff.


> Hi All,
>
> I have a few Hoodia Gordonii plants that I would like to trade for 
> meteorites or meteorite stuff. The plants are in 1 and 5 gallon pots. They 
> would be shipped bare root or you could pick up. email off list for 
> pictures. Or I could do a "reverse" sale.
> Just teasing.
>
> Sonny
> ______________________________________________
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From gmhupe at htn.net  Thu May  1 20:06:06 2008
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 20:06:06 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Idaho man gives meteorite to Utah
References: <321931.26177.qm@web33003.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<001001c8aae1$00b7ace0$62b0fea9@TOSHIBA>
Message-ID: <050801c8abe8$51b3cf40$0200a8c0@Gregor>


The science is in ruin!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Armando Afonso" <armandoafonso at oniduo.pt>
To: "Mike Groetz" <mpg444 at yahoo.com>; "Meteorite List" 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Idaho man gives meteorite to Utah


> What? He doesn`t sell on ebay? It is lost to science, then.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike Groetz" <mpg444 at yahoo.com>
> To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 5:37 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Idaho man gives meteorite to Utah
>
>
>> http://www.localnews8.com/Global/story.asp?S=8245978&nav=menu554_2_3
>>
>> Idaho man gives meteorite to Utah
>>
>> Associated Press - April 29, 2008 6:25 PM ET
>>
>> SALT LAKE CITY (AP) - A man who found a meteorite in
>> Utah is giving it to the public.
>>
>> The 18-pound Gunlock Meteorite is the size of a
>> bowling ball and now on display at the Utah Department
>> of Natural Resources in Salt Lake City.
>>
>> Don Adair of Boise, Idaho, found it near Gunlock, a
>> southern Utah town, in 1982. He says the black color
>> made it stand out like a big bandage on a sore thumb.
>>
>> He sawed it in half and gave a portion to the American
>> Museum of Natural History in New York. Adair recently
>> decided to give the other half to Utah.
>>
>> Utah officials believe it could be billions of years
>> old. Meteorites originate from comets, asteroids or
>> other planets.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From gmhupe at htn.net  Thu May  1 20:06:30 2008
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 20:06:30 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Idaho man gives meteorite to Utah
References: <321931.26177.qm@web33003.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<001001c8aae1$00b7ace0$62b0fea9@TOSHIBA>
Message-ID: <050c01c8abe8$60104320$0200a8c0@Gregor>

The science is in ruin!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Armando Afonso" <armandoafonso at oniduo.pt>
To: "Mike Groetz" <mpg444 at yahoo.com>; "Meteorite List" 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Idaho man gives meteorite to Utah


> What? He doesn`t sell on ebay? It is lost to science, then.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike Groetz" <mpg444 at yahoo.com>
> To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 5:37 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Idaho man gives meteorite to Utah
>
>
>> http://www.localnews8.com/Global/story.asp?S=8245978&nav=menu554_2_3
>>
>> Idaho man gives meteorite to Utah
>>
>> Associated Press - April 29, 2008 6:25 PM ET
>>
>> SALT LAKE CITY (AP) - A man who found a meteorite in
>> Utah is giving it to the public.
>>
>> The 18-pound Gunlock Meteorite is the size of a
>> bowling ball and now on display at the Utah Department
>> of Natural Resources in Salt Lake City.
>>
>> Don Adair of Boise, Idaho, found it near Gunlock, a
>> southern Utah town, in 1982. He says the black color
>> made it stand out like a big bandage on a sore thumb.
>>
>> He sawed it in half and gave a portion to the American
>> Museum of Natural History in New York. Adair recently
>> decided to give the other half to Utah.
>>
>> Utah officials believe it could be billions of years
>> old. Meteorites originate from comets, asteroids or
>> other planets.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ____________________________________________________________________________________
>> Be a better friend, newshound, and
>> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile.  Try it now. 
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From gmhupe at htn.net  Thu May  1 20:14:55 2008
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 20:14:55 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] What the heck is going on??
References: <050120082358.24932.481A591700064727000061642206824693CECCCACA0A0D010D@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <053c01c8abe9$8dc189e0$0200a8c0@Gregor>

HI Bob,

No. No!! The cage fight is for Notkin and Haag. I think they will be playing 
some rock-n-roll to get the juice flowing!!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bobe5531 at comcast.net>
To: "Ruben Garcia" <meteoritemall at yahoo.com>
Cc: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What the heck is going on??


> Still here Ruben,
>
> Do you have something to say about me ? or just general BS ?
> I cant wait to see you and all my friends in Tucson 09.
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: Ruben Garcia <meteoritemall at yahoo.com>
>> Geezz!
>> I'm slow, so maybe I missed something but....
>>
>> Did we run out of reasons to stop bashing Steve Arnold
>> (Chicago)? Or Bob Evans or other such screw-ups?
>>
>> I hate to see Farmer, Arnold#1 and Paul Harris in the
>> cross hairs of each others scopes...
>>
>> First, because they are very knowledgeable and highly
>> respected.
>>
>> Second, cause they are my Friends.
>>
>> Next thing you know Notkin and Haag are gonna square
>> off in the octagon! Whats next?
>>
>> No More Dudes!
>>
>> Ruben Garcia
>> Phoenix, Arizona
>> http://www.mr-meteorite.com
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________________________________________________________
>> ____
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From mmurray at montrose.net  Thu May  1 20:18:09 2008
From: mmurray at montrose.net (Michael Murray)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 18:18:09 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] pronouncing 'Orgueil'
In-Reply-To: <200805010933.m419XIXH019033@post.webmailer.de>
References: <200805010933.m419XIXH019033@post.webmailer.de>
Message-ID: <5BF13073-CFCB-4582-B4E4-6E601C4342A1@montrose.net>

Now we're talking!
Mike in CO

On May 1, 2008, at 3:33 AM, Andr? Kn?fel wrote:

> Hi Larry, hi all,
>
> a 'quick&dirty' website with the pronouncation of the German names  
> of meteorites in Austria, France, Germany and Poland is now online:
>
> http://www.minorplanets.de/meteorites/pronouncing/index_german.html
>
> Hope all is correct... Feel free to use the wav-files for the project.
>
> Andr?
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From meteoritemall at yahoo.com  Thu May  1 20:21:23 2008
From: meteoritemall at yahoo.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 17:21:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] What the heck is going on??
In-Reply-To: <050120082358.24932.481A591700064727000061642206824693CECCCACA0A0D010D@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <947036.92000.qm@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Oh ya in case you forgot I still remember how you and
Stevie cheated me out of the Canyob D. with hole. two
years ago.




Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
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From bobe5531 at comcast.net  Thu May  1 20:23:28 2008
From: bobe5531 at comcast.net (bobe5531 at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 00:23:28 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] What the heck is going on??
Message-ID: <050220080023.28614.481A5F000006BCCB00006FC62206824693CECCCACA0A0D010D@comcast.net>

Greg,
Dont worry The cage is all theirs

Im still recuperating from my last cage fight. But who knows, throw in a magician and Im likely to climb back in.
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Greg Hupe" <gmhupe at htn.net>
> HI Bob,
> 
> No. No!! The cage fight is for Notkin and Haag. I think they will be playing 
> some rock-n-roll to get the juice flowing!!
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <bobe5531 at comcast.net>
> To: "Ruben Garcia" <meteoritemall at yahoo.com>
> Cc: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 7:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What the heck is going on??
> 
> 
> > Still here Ruben,
> >
> > Do you have something to say about me ? or just general BS ?
> > I cant wait to see you and all my friends in Tucson 09.
> > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > From: Ruben Garcia <meteoritemall at yahoo.com>
> >> Geezz!
> >> I'm slow, so maybe I missed something but....
> >>
> >> Did we run out of reasons to stop bashing Steve Arnold
> >> (Chicago)? Or Bob Evans or other such screw-ups?
> >>
> >> I hate to see Farmer, Arnold#1 and Paul Harris in the
> >> cross hairs of each others scopes...
> >>
> >> First, because they are very knowledgeable and highly
> >> respected.
> >>
> >> Second, cause they are my Friends.
> >>
> >> Next thing you know Notkin and Haag are gonna square
> >> off in the octagon! Whats next?
> >>
> >> No More Dudes!
> >>
> >> Ruben Garcia
> >> Phoenix, Arizona
> >> http://www.mr-meteorite.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> ________________________________________________________________________________
> >> ____
> >> Be a better friend, newshound, and
> >> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile.  Try it now.
> >> http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
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From meteoritemall at yahoo.com  Thu May  1 20:28:11 2008
From: meteoritemall at yahoo.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 17:28:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] What the heck is going on??
In-Reply-To: <053c01c8abe9$8dc189e0$0200a8c0@Gregor>
Message-ID: <287078.97441.qm@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


I'm thinking a good tag team match..

The Spic (me) and the Hick (notkin) - VS - The BOB'S




Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
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From mmurray at montrose.net  Thu May  1 20:28:33 2008
From: mmurray at montrose.net (Michael Murray)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 18:28:33 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] GimmiCK Sale - WARNING Joke enclosed!!!!!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <d16.288c3ba3.354b99be@aol.com>
References: <d16.288c3ba3.354b99be@aol.com>
Message-ID: <B51F657C-A7A4-4CBB-BECF-796404782473@montrose.net>

That was one of the best emails I have ever seen on the Met-List.   
Nicely done.

Mike in CO,
(not a dealer, not a collector, but mighty proud to be a Met-List  
member)



On May 1, 2008, at 4:10 PM, MeteorHntr at aol.com wrote:

>
>
> *************WARNING, JOKE BELOW****************
>
>     ***********ATTENTION:  JOKE  COMING***************
>
> HEAR YE, HEAR YE, HEAR YE:  JOKETH APPROACHETH
>
> This is test of the Humorous Broadcast Network.  This is a joke,  
> and  only a
> joke.  If this were a real insult, you would have been informed by   
> private
> email, and not via the M-list.   Again, this is only a  joke...
>
>
> Greg,
>
> It sounds like your "GimmiCK" offer (below) is just a gimmick to me!
>
> ;-)
>
> Did EVERYONE notice the wink above???
>
> This was a sign that I was only joking.  Of course I don't think   
> Greg's
> GimmiCK offer is a gimmick.  I was only trying to use  humor.  In  
> advance, I
> apologize to anyone and everyone that I may have  offended,  
> especially but not
> limited to Greg Hupe.
>
> This concludes this test of the Humorous Broadcast Network, we will  
> now
> return you to the serious posts on the M-list.
>
> Thank You,
> Steve #1
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 5/1/2008 2:27:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> gmhupe at htn.net writes:
> Hi Steve and GimmiCK Lovers,
>
> How about this for  a real "GimmiCK" sale:
>
> I had the last few pieces of my new CK5 (NWA 4800)  auctions end  
> yesterday on
> eBay, some went unsold. I propose that anyone who  wants one of the  
> last "CK"
> slices for opening price, I will throw in the  "Gimmi" for FREE!!!  
> How's that
> for a true "GimmiCK"?! ;-)
>
> Best  regards and Have a Great Day!
> Greg
>
> ====================
> Greg  Hupe
> The Hupe Collection
> NaturesVault  (eBay)
> gmhupe at htn.net
> www.LunarRock.com
> IMCA  3163
> ====================
> Click here for my current eBay auctions:
> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault
>
>
>
>
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From wahlperry at aol.com  Thu May  1 20:40:59 2008
From: wahlperry at aol.com (wahlperry at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 20:40:59 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] What the heck is going on??
In-Reply-To: <050220080023.28614.481A5F000006BCCB00006FC62206824693CECCCACA0A0D010D@comcast.net>
References: <050220080023.28614.481A5F000006BCCB00006FC62206824693CECCCACA0A0D010D@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8CA7A045325DAD0-7E0-341F@webmail-nf17.sim.aol.com>

Hi Bob,
If McCartney was a better magician he would make you disappear!

Sonny


-----Original Message-----
From: bobe5531 at comcast.net
To: Greg Hupe <gmhupe at htn.net>
Cc: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thu, 1 May 2008 5:23 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What the heck is going on??



Greg,
Dont worry The cage is all theirs

Im still recuperating from my last cage fight. But who knows, throw in 
a
magician and Im likely to climb back in.
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Greg Hupe" <gmhupe at htn.net>
> HI Bob,
>
> No. No!! The cage fight is for Notkin and Haag. I think they will be 
playing
> some rock-n-roll to get the juice flowing!!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <bobe5531 at comcast.net>
> To: "Ruben Garcia" <meteoritemall at yahoo.com>
> Cc: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 7:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What the heck is going on??
>
>
> > Still here Ruben,
> >
> > Do you have something to say about me ? or just general BS ?
> > I cant wait to see you and all my friends in Tucson 09.
> > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > From: Ruben Garcia <meteoritemall at yahoo.com>
> >> Geezz!
> >> I'm slow, so maybe I missed something but....
> >>
> >> Did we run out of reasons to stop bashing Steve Arnold
> >> (Chicago)? Or Bob Evans or other such screw-ups?
> >>
> >> I hate to see Farmer, Arnold#1 and Paul Harris in the
> >> cross hairs of each others scopes...
> >>
> >> First, because they are very knowledgeable and highly
> >> respected.
> >>
> >> Second, cause they are my Friends.
> >>
> >> Next thing you know Notkin and Haag are gonna square
> >> off in the octagon! Whats next?
> >>
> >> No More Dudes!
> >>
> >> Ruben Garcia
> >> Phoenix, Arizona
> >> http://www.mr-meteorite.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> 
_________________________________________________________________________
_______
> >> ____
> >> Be a better friend, newshound, and
> >> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
> >> http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
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From drtanuki at yahoo.com  Thu May  1 20:42:55 2008
From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 17:42:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Chinese meteorite fall--any ideas on which one?
Message-ID: <106482.17517.qm@web53208.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Dear List,
  Found this in the Chinese news.  No year was given.

Meteorite crash lands just 2m from farm worker 

A meteorite formed some 4.6 billion years ago, landed
on the banks of a fish pond in Heihe, Heilongjiang, on
May 27 right in front of a worker, Song. 

"That evening, the meteorite with its largest pieces
the size of an ordinary steamed-bread, struck the bank
with tremendous force and sound, creating a crater
just 2 meters from me," Song said. "I tremble at the
very thought of it." 

"As far as I know, the distance between where the
meteorite landed and its witness is the closest we
have seen in this country," Zhang Baolin, an expert
from the Beijing Planetarium, said. 

(Beijing Evening News) 

Dirk Ross...Tokyo

From drtanuki at yahoo.com  Thu May  1 20:45:46 2008
From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 17:45:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Chinese meteorite fall--any ideas on which one?
	2007-07-05 update
Message-ID: <90885.25302.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Dear List,
  Found this in the Chinese news.  May 27 was given as
the fall date, published 2007-07-05.

Meteorite crash lands just 2m from farm worker 

A meteorite formed some 4.6 billion years ago, landed
on the banks of a fish pond in Heihe, Heilongjiang, on
May 27 right in front of a worker, Song. 

"That evening, the meteorite with its largest pieces
the size of an ordinary steamed-bread, struck the bank
with tremendous force and sound, creating a crater
just 2 meters from me," Song said. "I tremble at the
very thought of it." 

"As far as I know, the distance between where the
meteorite landed and its witness is the closest we
have seen in this country," Zhang Baolin, an expert
from the Beijing Planetarium, said. 

(Beijing Evening News) 

Dirk Ross...Tokyo

From psc2410xi at yahoo.com  Thu May  1 21:28:05 2008
From: psc2410xi at yahoo.com (Don Rawlings)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 18:28:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] WARNING: NOT a Joke;
	definition of "Gimmick" enclosed
In-Reply-To: <c90.23ef9395.354b9fdd@aol.com>
Message-ID: <13245.62373.qm@web59306.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Sounds a lot like the description for Cash and
Treasures episodes.

--- MeteorHntr at aol.com wrote:

> Warning, this is NOT a joke.
> 
> This is a  serious post:
> 
> 
> Hello List,
> 
> Check out:    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimmick 
> 
> Thanks,
> Steve  
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Thu May  1 21:44:03 2008
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 20:44:03 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Trade offer,
	Hoodia Gordonii plants for meteorites or meteorite stuff.
References: <8CA79F80314198D-60C-2F1B@webmail-nb07.sysops.aol.com>
	<04f601c8abe8$28f757c0$0200a8c0@Gregor>
Message-ID: <00a201c8abf6$00634770$db45e146@ATARIENGINE>

> oh crud, can't remember the name but...

"The Little Shop Of Horrors" (Musical, 1986)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091419/

NOT the bad Roger Corman B&W horror flick
(made for $27,000 in two days flat), with Jack
Nicholson in his first feature film role:
"The Little Shop Of Horrors" (Horror, 1960)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054033/


Sterling K. Webb
-------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Hupe" <gmhupe at htn.net>
To: <wahlperry at aol.com>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Trade offer,Hoodia Gordonii plants for 
meteorites or meteorite stuff.


Hi Sonny,

Outstanding! I have a few gallons of meteorite cutting dust we can plant...
those plants in and see what kind of crazy morph they grow into. Maybe one
of those flesh eating plants from that movie....oh crud, can't remember the
name but Rick Moranis was in it, "Feed me Seymore, feed me!!" Maybe then we
can feed those flesh eating birds that "befriended" Robert down south!

Greg



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <wahlperry at aol.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 7:12 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Trade offer,Hoodia Gordonii plants for meteorites
or meteorite stuff.


> Hi All,
>
> I have a few Hoodia Gordonii plants that I would like to trade for
> meteorites or meteorite stuff. The plants are in 1 and 5 gallon pots. They
> would be shipped bare root or you could pick up. email off list for
> pictures. Or I could do a "reverse" sale.
> Just teasing.
>
> Sonny
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From mexicodoug at aim.com  Thu May  1 23:31:55 2008
From: mexicodoug at aim.com (mexicodoug at aim.com)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 23:31:55 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] What a surprise! (not)
In-Reply-To: <159827.5396.qm@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CA7A1C34551D50-3A8-28FB@WEBMAIL-DC16.sysops.aol.com>

"Actually cheaper to send overseas for less than one ounce packet, than 
to send to my next door neighbor.
The US government shows us how smart it is again."

Hi Mike, List,

You're mixing apples and oranges.  It should be cheaper, since when 
does reason have place in corrupt systems of any nation?  The US postal 
service is only doing half the work for intentionsl shipments.  They 
put it on a cargo flight from their hub and forget about it.

Meanwhile in the USA they have a monopoly on home delivery so they milk 
the cash cow, so why shouldn't you pay more?  It's a US federal crime 
for anyone to send regular mail through a private service for anyone to 
offer the service, and for anyone else delivering anything to open 
their sacred mailboxes - even though they are the homeowners' personal 
property and expense.  Only urgent mail is excluded from the monopoly; 
provided the competing service charges at least twice as much.  So next 
time you are pissed about fedex, ups, dhl, etc., keep in mind that they 
are more expensive because your government forces them to charge at 
least twice as by law much AND denies them participation in the 
economies of scale of the bulk of mailings.

Something to keep in mind next time you pat the USPS on the back for 
being the cheapest of shipping options.

Going postal,
Doug



-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
To: Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com>; Meteorite-list 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thu, 1 May 2008 2:52 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What a surprise! (not)



A 20 gram Henbury can be shipped to the UK for under
$2.00. The minumum for one ounce to the USA in a
bubble envelope is now $1.13, yet I can send the same
bubble envelope to the UK for $1.01.
Actually cheaper to send overseas for less than one
ounce packet, than to send to my next door neighbor.
The US government shows us how smart it is again.
Michael Farmer
--- Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Herman, Dave, All,
> Regardless of whether or not he discounted shipping,
> he did still
> 'lift' a description that was written by someone
> else - without asking
> for the right to use it.
> This has been noted as an issue in the past, and it
> is clear that
> (although he did well to find a cheaper shipping
> service) wayner44
> still made a mistake in copying a description which
> he could easily
> have, at the very least, credited to the author.  I
> see no excuse for
> doing what he did - except for laziness.
> Furthermore, who on earth would pay more than a few
> dollars to ship a
> twenty gram bit of Henbury?  I think you're looking
> at this the wrong
> way; it should have cost only a few dollars to ship
> it in the first
> place.  He discounted it $9 from...what, exactly?
> Needless to say, it
> would have been ridiculous had he *not* changed the
> shipping cost.
> What he did was not a shining example of charity,
> ingenuity, or
> intelligence.  What he did was reasonable, nothing
> more - to say
> nothing of his plagiarism.
> Regards,
> Jason
>
> On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 10:01 AM,
> <Metorman46 at aol.com> wrote:
> > Hello Dave;
> >
> > Thanks for the positive,pleasant post about
> wayner44.He sure made your
> > day,i'll bet,and you sure made my day with such a
> positive post about someone  who
> > did good and we never would have known about it if
> you hadn't taken the time
> > to inform us.My hat is off to you.
> >
> > Best Regards;Herman Archer IMCA 2770.
> >
> >
> >
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From entropydave at ntlworld.com  Fri May  2 02:28:21 2008
From: entropydave at ntlworld.com (Dave Harris)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 07:28:21 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] happy surprise continued...
Message-ID: <018101c8ac1d$bbe84690$020aa8c0@pitstoppc>

Hello Dave;

Thanks for the positive,pleasant post about wayner44.He sure made your
day,i'll bet,and you sure made my day with such a positive post about 
someone  who
did good and we never would have known about it if you hadn't taken the time
to inform us.My hat is off to you.

Best Regards;Herman Archer IMCA 2770.


Thanks Herman I am glad someone had something to say that was in the same 
spirit as my email!
As Herman says, this is a positive post, but I still see it didn't stop the 
whingers!  To all you moaners - when was the last time you refunded 
shipping? When was the last time YOU gave an anonymous gift (without post 
charging?)!

So he lifted some blurb - no big deal unless he did it all the time - he 
obviously doesn't share our knowledge and enthusiasm and therefore 
plagiarised because a) he assumed that it was no big deal - which a one-off 
isn't - It is not the new Umberto Eco novel , it's an eBay listing, and b) 
by lifting it he probably thought he was giving the best info he could as it 
was written by someone who probably knew more about the field that he did. 
Maybe he did email the writer and they never replied?
Get off your high horse for god's sake!  Don't be so touchy! He went the 
extra mile with no desire for credit - he has not even responded to my 
"thank you " mails yet.
This sort of whining is why I lurk on this list - always someone who wants 
to rain on someone else's parade. Very depressing.

I have a flat-rate charge for shipping.  This is not just to cover the 
physical act of paying for the posting but has to cover the cost of the, 
say, padded bag ($0.80 or so), and my time - I have to use my lunch break 
time to hang out at a crummy post office to get it sent - so I do a flat 
rate - never had a complaint and would ALWAYS reconsider if the buyer 
balked.

So allow me to enjoy my extra slice of Henbury and AML label, and let this 
seller be.

dave
IMCA #0092
Sec.BIMS.
www.bimsociety.org


From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Fri May  2 02:37:48 2008
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 01:37:48 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] What a surprise! (not)
References: <8CA7A1C34551D50-3A8-28FB@WEBMAIL-DC16.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <00da01c8ac1f$09d189b0$db45e146@ATARIENGINE>

Postal Doug,

Of course, the U.S. Mail is subsidized and
supported by law -- it's a government service,
as the National Posts of many nations are.
I believe, as Mr. Franklin did, that governments
exist to provide useful and necessary services
for its citizens, and a mandate to establish
a postal service was part of the Constitution,
one of the first National Posts in the world.

Originally, the price of post was prohibitive
for the ordinary citizen. In 1792, long distance
mail (450+ miles) cost 25 cents per sheet of
paper, and that 1792 "quarter" was worth many
dollars in today's money (OK, I didn't look it
up). When stamps were introduced in 1847,
the cost plummeted. In 1855, you could send
an entire letter of several sheets, in an envelope
now, 3000 miles for 3 cents, a rate that persisted
for a century.

It made a single communicative entity out of a
scattered nation. During that century, telegrams
were costly and the later long distance phone
call was too; they were reserved for deaths,
births, wars, and occasionally true love, but
you could write someone a letter every single
day of the week for no more than the cost of
a loaf of bread.

One consideration to bear in mind about
overseas shipments is that a single rate applies
to an entire nation, even though Southern
California to London is twice as far as Maine
to London, whereas any part of the UK is no
more distant from another than the ends of a
state like Illinois. And all National Posts are
only doing "half" the work when they each
reciprocally entrust a package to the National
Post of any other country. (The UK Royal
Post once directed a 12-string guitar intact to
my door from London for less money than UPS
charged to damage a guitar from Wisconsin,
one state away, in transit.)

As for "sacred" mailboxes, they are sanctified
by an extension of the personal privacy of the
recipient; mail "delivered" there has become
part of the "every man's home's his castle" right,
and the prohibition against others entering it
long precedes the invention of FedEx.

Who, since they came up, once "delivered" a
brand-new hard drive to a mud puddle in my
driveway, and tossed another parcel behind my
neighbor's shrubbery to languish there for a week
until discovered by them whilst raking leaves, and
once, by accident I think, they got a package within
six feet of my door. Remind me to tip the FedEx
man next Christmas, will you? In between my
drinking toasts to the virtues of free enterprise,
that is.

Postal Sterling
----------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <mexicodoug at aim.com>
To: <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>; <meteoritekid at gmail.com>; 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 10:31 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What a surprise! (not)


"Actually cheaper to send overseas for less than one ounce packet, than
to send to my next door neighbor.
The US government shows us how smart it is again."

Hi Mike, List,

You're mixing apples and oranges.  It should be cheaper, since when
does reason have place in corrupt systems of any nation?  The US postal
service is only doing half the work for intentionsl shipments.  They
put it on a cargo flight from their hub and forget about it.

Meanwhile in the USA they have a monopoly on home delivery so they milk
the cash cow, so why shouldn't you pay more?  It's a US federal crime
for anyone to send regular mail through a private service for anyone to
offer the service, and for anyone else delivering anything to open
their sacred mailboxes - even though they are the homeowners' personal
property and expense.  Only urgent mail is excluded from the monopoly;
provided the competing service charges at least twice as much.  So next
time you are pissed about fedex, ups, dhl, etc., keep in mind that they
are more expensive because your government forces them to charge at
least twice as by law much AND denies them participation in the
economies of scale of the bulk of mailings.

Something to keep in mind next time you pat the USPS on the back for
being the cheapest of shipping options.

Going postal,
Doug



-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
To: Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com>; Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thu, 1 May 2008 2:52 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What a surprise! (not)



A 20 gram Henbury can be shipped to the UK for under
$2.00. The minumum for one ounce to the USA in a
bubble envelope is now $1.13, yet I can send the same
bubble envelope to the UK for $1.01.
Actually cheaper to send overseas for less than one
ounce packet, than to send to my next door neighbor.
The US government shows us how smart it is again.
Michael Farmer
--- Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Herman, Dave, All,
> Regardless of whether or not he discounted shipping,
> he did still
> 'lift' a description that was written by someone
> else - without asking
> for the right to use it.
> This has been noted as an issue in the past, and it
> is clear that
> (although he did well to find a cheaper shipping
> service) wayner44
> still made a mistake in copying a description which
> he could easily
> have, at the very least, credited to the author.  I
> see no excuse for
> doing what he did - except for laziness.
> Furthermore, who on earth would pay more than a few
> dollars to ship a
> twenty gram bit of Henbury?  I think you're looking
> at this the wrong
> way; it should have cost only a few dollars to ship
> it in the first
> place.  He discounted it $9 from...what, exactly?
> Needless to say, it
> would have been ridiculous had he *not* changed the
> shipping cost.
> What he did was not a shining example of charity,
> ingenuity, or
> intelligence.  What he did was reasonable, nothing
> more - to say
> nothing of his plagiarism.
> Regards,
> Jason
>
> On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 10:01 AM,
> <Metorman46 at aol.com> wrote:
> > Hello Dave;
> >
> > Thanks for the positive,pleasant post about
> wayner44.He sure made your
> > day,i'll bet,and you sure made my day with such a
> positive post about someone  who
> > did good and we never would have known about it if
> you hadn't taken the time
> > to inform us.My hat is off to you.
> >
> > Best Regards;Herman Archer IMCA 2770.
> >
> >
> >
> > **************Need a new ride? Check out the
> largest site for U.S. used car
> > listings at AOL Autos.
> >
>
(http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851)
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Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 05:44:41 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 2, 2008
Message-ID: <c19.376db9f6.354c3c89@aol.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/May_2_2008.html

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From mark.ford at ssl.gb.com  Fri May  2 06:27:38 2008
From: mark.ford at ssl.gb.com (Mark Ford)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 11:27:38 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] What a surprise! (not)
In-Reply-To: <00da01c8ac1f$09d189b0$db45e146@ATARIENGINE>
References: <8CA7A1C34551D50-3A8-28FB@WEBMAIL-DC16.sysops.aol.com>
	<00da01c8ac1f$09d189b0$db45e146@ATARIENGINE>
Message-ID: <29A9DB45B84970458190D7D39BD42C492C2373@gamma.ssl.atw>



Hi

.. On the other hand, here in the UK, our postal '''service''' is slowly
being privatized TO DEATH, already most parcels are shipped by
separately run companies, and the profit making part of the royal mail
has been basically given away. The postal system is in tatters, moral at
an all time low, most of the post offices are closing and the whole
service now can't possibly make a profit. 

So next time you dis your own US postal service for being totally state
run and anti-competitive, spare a thought for what was the worlds first
and best postal system, which is rapidly going to the dogs... sometimes
things need to be run as a service and not as a profit making
enterprise!

Best,
Mark F.




-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
Sterling K. Webb
Sent: 02 May 2008 07:38
To: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com; meteoritekid at gmail.com;
meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com; mexicodoug at aim.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What a surprise! (not)

Postal Doug,

Of course, the U.S. Mail is subsidized and
supported by law -- it's a government service,
as the National Posts of many nations are.
I believe, as Mr. Franklin did, that governments
exist to provide useful and necessary services
for its citizens, and a mandate to establish
a postal service was part of the Constitution,
one of the first National Posts in the world.

Originally, the price of post was prohibitive
for the ordinary citizen. In 1792, long distance
mail (450+ miles) cost 25 cents per sheet of
paper, and that 1792 "quarter" was worth many
dollars in today's money (OK, I didn't look it
up). When stamps were introduced in 1847,
the cost plummeted. In 1855, you could send
an entire letter of several sheets, in an envelope
now, 3000 miles for 3 cents, a rate that persisted
for a century.

It made a single communicative entity out of a
scattered nation. During that century, telegrams
were costly and the later long distance phone
call was too; they were reserved for deaths,
births, wars, and occasionally true love, but
you could write someone a letter every single
day of the week for no more than the cost of
a loaf of bread.

One consideration to bear in mind about
overseas shipments is that a single rate applies
to an entire nation, even though Southern
California to London is twice as far as Maine
to London, whereas any part of the UK is no
more distant from another than the ends of a
state like Illinois. And all National Posts are
only doing "half" the work when they each
reciprocally entrust a package to the National
Post of any other country. (The UK Royal
Post once directed a 12-string guitar intact to
my door from London for less money than UPS
charged to damage a guitar from Wisconsin,
one state away, in transit.)

As for "sacred" mailboxes, they are sanctified
by an extension of the personal privacy of the
recipient; mail "delivered" there has become
part of the "every man's home's his castle" right,
and the prohibition against others entering it
long precedes the invention of FedEx.

Who, since they came up, once "delivered" a
brand-new hard drive to a mud puddle in my
driveway, and tossed another parcel behind my
neighbor's shrubbery to languish there for a week
until discovered by them whilst raking leaves, and
once, by accident I think, they got a package within
six feet of my door. Remind me to tip the FedEx
man next Christmas, will you? In between my
drinking toasts to the virtues of free enterprise,
that is.

Postal Sterling
----------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <mexicodoug at aim.com>
To: <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>; <meteoritekid at gmail.com>; 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 10:31 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What a surprise! (not)


"Actually cheaper to send overseas for less than one ounce packet, than
to send to my next door neighbor.
The US government shows us how smart it is again."

Hi Mike, List,

You're mixing apples and oranges.  It should be cheaper, since when
does reason have place in corrupt systems of any nation?  The US postal
service is only doing half the work for intentionsl shipments.  They
put it on a cargo flight from their hub and forget about it.

Meanwhile in the USA they have a monopoly on home delivery so they milk
the cash cow, so why shouldn't you pay more?  It's a US federal crime
for anyone to send regular mail through a private service for anyone to
offer the service, and for anyone else delivering anything to open
their sacred mailboxes - even though they are the homeowners' personal
property and expense.  Only urgent mail is excluded from the monopoly;
provided the competing service charges at least twice as much.  So next
time you are pissed about fedex, ups, dhl, etc., keep in mind that they
are more expensive because your government forces them to charge at
least twice as by law much AND denies them participation in the
economies of scale of the bulk of mailings.

Something to keep in mind next time you pat the USPS on the back for
being the cheapest of shipping options.

Going postal,
Doug



-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
To: Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com>; Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thu, 1 May 2008 2:52 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What a surprise! (not)



A 20 gram Henbury can be shipped to the UK for under
$2.00. The minumum for one ounce to the USA in a
bubble envelope is now $1.13, yet I can send the same
bubble envelope to the UK for $1.01.
Actually cheaper to send overseas for less than one
ounce packet, than to send to my next door neighbor.
The US government shows us how smart it is again.
Michael Farmer
--- Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Herman, Dave, All,
> Regardless of whether or not he discounted shipping,
> he did still
> 'lift' a description that was written by someone
> else - without asking
> for the right to use it.
> This has been noted as an issue in the past, and it
> is clear that
> (although he did well to find a cheaper shipping
> service) wayner44
> still made a mistake in copying a description which
> he could easily
> have, at the very least, credited to the author.  I
> see no excuse for
> doing what he did - except for laziness.
> Furthermore, who on earth would pay more than a few
> dollars to ship a
> twenty gram bit of Henbury?  I think you're looking
> at this the wrong
> way; it should have cost only a few dollars to ship
> it in the first
> place.  He discounted it $9 from...what, exactly?
> Needless to say, it
> would have been ridiculous had he *not* changed the
> shipping cost.
> What he did was not a shining example of charity,
> ingenuity, or
> intelligence.  What he did was reasonable, nothing
> more - to say
> nothing of his plagiarism.
> Regards,
> Jason
>
> On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 10:01 AM,
> <Metorman46 at aol.com> wrote:
> > Hello Dave;
> >
> > Thanks for the positive,pleasant post about
> wayner44.He sure made your
> > day,i'll bet,and you sure made my day with such a
> positive post about someone  who
> > did good and we never would have known about it if
> you hadn't taken the time
> > to inform us.My hat is off to you.
> >
> > Best Regards;Herman Archer IMCA 2770.
> >
> >
> >
> > **************Need a new ride? Check out the
> largest site for U.S. used car
> > listings at AOL Autos.
> >
>
(http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851)
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> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
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From lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu  Fri May  2 08:04:40 2008
From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu (lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 05:04:40 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] What a surprise! (not)
In-Reply-To: <00da01c8ac1f$09d189b0$db45e146@ATARIENGINE>
References: <8CA7A1C34551D50-3A8-28FB@WEBMAIL-DC16.sysops.aol.com>
	<00da01c8ac1f$09d189b0$db45e146@ATARIENGINE>
Message-ID: <63897.71.226.60.25.1209729880.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu>

Hi Sterling:

You forgot overnight mail; Pony Express. It took 11 days (Missouri to
California) and initially cost $5.00 for 1/2 oz. Assuming beer was 2 bits
(25 cents), that is a lot of beer!

Larry

On Thu, May 1, 2008 11:37 pm, Sterling K. Webb wrote:
> Postal Doug,
>
>
> Of course, the U.S. Mail is subsidized and
> supported by law -- it's a government service, as the National Posts of
> many nations are. I believe, as Mr. Franklin did, that governments
> exist to provide useful and necessary services for its citizens, and a
> mandate to establish a postal service was part of the Constitution, one of
> the first National Posts in the world.
>
> Originally, the price of post was prohibitive
> for the ordinary citizen. In 1792, long distance mail (450+ miles) cost 25
> cents per sheet of paper, and that 1792 "quarter" was worth many dollars in
> today's money (OK, I didn't look it up). When stamps were introduced in
> 1847,
> the cost plummeted. In 1855, you could send an entire letter of several
> sheets, in an envelope now, 3000 miles for 3 cents, a rate that persisted
> for a century.
>
> It made a single communicative entity out of a
> scattered nation. During that century, telegrams were costly and the later
> long distance phone call was too; they were reserved for deaths, births,
> wars, and occasionally true love, but you could write someone a letter
> every single day of the week for no more than the cost of a loaf of bread.
>
> One consideration to bear in mind about
> overseas shipments is that a single rate applies to an entire nation, even
> though Southern California to London is twice as far as Maine
> to London, whereas any part of the UK is no more distant from another than
> the ends of a state like Illinois. And all National Posts are only doing
> "half" the work when they each
> reciprocally entrust a package to the National Post of any other country.
> (The UK Royal
> Post once directed a 12-string guitar intact to
> my door from London for less money than UPS charged to damage a guitar from
> Wisconsin,
> one state away, in transit.)
>
> As for "sacred" mailboxes, they are sanctified
> by an extension of the personal privacy of the recipient; mail "delivered"
> there has become part of the "every man's home's his castle" right, and the
> prohibition against others entering it long precedes the invention of
> FedEx.
>
>
> Who, since they came up, once "delivered" a
> brand-new hard drive to a mud puddle in my driveway, and tossed another
> parcel behind my neighbor's shrubbery to languish there for a week until
> discovered by them whilst raking leaves, and once, by accident I think,
> they got a package within six feet of my door. Remind me to tip the FedEx
> man next Christmas, will you? In between my drinking toasts to the virtues
> of free enterprise, that is.
>
> Postal Sterling
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <mexicodoug at aim.com>
> To: <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>; <meteoritekid at gmail.com>;
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 10:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What a surprise! (not)
>
>
>
> "Actually cheaper to send overseas for less than one ounce packet, than
> to send to my next door neighbor. The US government shows us how smart it
> is again."
>
> Hi Mike, List,
>
>
> You're mixing apples and oranges.  It should be cheaper, since when
> does reason have place in corrupt systems of any nation?  The US postal
> service is only doing half the work for intentionsl shipments.  They put
> it on a cargo flight from their hub and forget about it.
>
> Meanwhile in the USA they have a monopoly on home delivery so they milk
> the cash cow, so why shouldn't you pay more?  It's a US federal crime for
> anyone to send regular mail through a private service for anyone to offer
> the service, and for anyone else delivering anything to open their sacred
> mailboxes - even though they are the homeowners' personal property and
> expense.  Only urgent mail is excluded from the monopoly; provided the
> competing service charges at least twice as much.  So next time you are
> pissed about fedex, ups, dhl, etc., keep in mind that they are more
> expensive because your government forces them to charge at least twice as
> by law much AND denies them participation in the economies of scale of the
> bulk of mailings.
>
> Something to keep in mind next time you pat the USPS on the back for
> being the cheapest of shipping options.
>
> Going postal,
> Doug
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> To: Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com>; Meteorite-list
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thu, 1 May 2008 2:52 pm
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What a surprise! (not)
>
>
>
>
> A 20 gram Henbury can be shipped to the UK for under
> $2.00. The minumum for one ounce to the USA in a
> bubble envelope is now $1.13, yet I can send the same bubble envelope to
> the UK for $1.01. Actually cheaper to send overseas for less than one
> ounce packet, than to send to my next door neighbor. The US government
> shows us how smart it is again. Michael Farmer
> --- Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Hello Herman, Dave, All,
>> Regardless of whether or not he discounted shipping,
>> he did still 'lift' a description that was written by someone
>> else - without asking for the right to use it. This has been noted as an
>> issue in the past, and it is clear that (although he did well to find a
>> cheaper shipping service) wayner44 still made a mistake in copying a
>> description which he could easily have, at the very least, credited to
>> the author.  I see no excuse for doing what he did - except for laziness.
>>  Furthermore, who on earth would pay more than a few
>> dollars to ship a twenty gram bit of Henbury?  I think you're looking at
>> this the wrong way; it should have cost only a few dollars to ship it in
>> the first place.  He discounted it $9 from...what, exactly? Needless to
>> say, it would have been ridiculous had he *not* changed the shipping
>> cost. What he did was not a shining example of charity,
>> ingenuity, or intelligence.  What he did was reasonable, nothing more - to
>> say nothing of his plagiarism. Regards,
>> Jason
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 10:01 AM,
>> <Metorman46 at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Dave;
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for the positive,pleasant post about
>>>
>> wayner44.He sure made your
>>> day,i'll bet,and you sure made my day with such a
>> positive post about someone  who
>>> did good and we never would have known about it if
>> you hadn't taken the time
>>> to inform us.My hat is off to you.
>>>
>>> Best Regards;Herman Archer IMCA 2770.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> **************Need a new ride? Check out the
>>>
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>>
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From mark at meteorites.cc  Fri May  2 10:02:55 2008
From: mark at meteorites.cc (Mark Crawford)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 15:02:55 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] What a surprise! (not)
In-Reply-To: <63897.71.226.60.25.1209729880.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu>
References: <8CA7A1C34551D50-3A8-28FB@WEBMAIL-DC16.sysops.aol.com>	<00da01c8ac1f$09d189b0$db45e146@ATARIENGINE>
	<63897.71.226.60.25.1209729880.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu>
Message-ID: <481B1F0F.9090705@meteorites.cc>

And, presumably, a lot of oats and hay :)

lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu wrote:
> Hi Sterling:
>
> You forgot overnight mail; Pony Express. It took 11 days (Missouri to
> California) and initially cost $5.00 for 1/2 oz. Assuming beer was 2 bits
> (25 cents), that is a lot of beer!
>   


-- 
Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc


From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Fri May  2 10:38:45 2008
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 07:38:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Overly optimistic Gibeon Necklace
In-Reply-To: <mailman.186.1209709710.11145.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <652334.45115.qm@web58414.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi Folks!

Ran across this today on eBay :

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150242680616

Now, don't everyone go beating a path to this seller's
door! ;) LOL

I have no connection to the seller, BTW.

Regards,

MikeG


.........................................................
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Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Website - http://www.glassthrower.com/meteorites
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
..........................................................



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From eric at meteoritewatch.com  Fri May  2 14:04:10 2008
From: eric at meteoritewatch.com (Eric Wichman)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 11:04:10 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] What the heck is going on??
In-Reply-To: <mailman.122.1209676364.64769.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
References: <mailman.122.1209676364.64769.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <481B579A.4040404@meteoritewatch.com>

Hi all,

I don't know Arnold#1 (Steve) or Farmer personally but have been 
corresponding with Paul since I got into this meteorite biz. I know Paul 
is a good guy, and if Steve and Mike are his friends then they must be 
OK too. As Farmer said, maybe it's a spring cleaning thing.

Ruben's right! Stop the BS and the bickering. Nobody wants to hear this 
stuff. We're on this list to learn more about meteorites and share 
information with our friends. This is a friendly list and I am glad to 
have signed up, I'm tired of filtering out all the BS to get to the 
solid meteorite related info. New Fall? Awesome! Someone has something 
good for sale? GREAT! New classification? Wonderful...

As for the UFC match "Haag vs Notkin" I'd pay BIG BUCKS to see that! ;) 
Maybe a flaming meteorite trophy for the winner.

Eric Wichman
www.MeteoriteWatch.com

-------------------------------

Geezz!

I'm slow, so maybe I missed something but....

Did we run out of reasons to stop bashing Steve Arnold
(Chicago)? Or Bob Evans or other such screw-ups?

I hate to see Farmer, Arnold#1 and Paul Harris in the
cross hairs of each others scopes...

First, because they are very knowledgeable and highly
respected.

Second, cause they are my Friends.

Next thing you know Notkin and Haag are gonna square
off in the octagon! Whats next?

No More Dudes! 

Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
http://www.mr-meteorite.com

----------------------------


From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Fri May  2 14:36:50 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 11:36:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Zunhua City meteorite fall is here!
Message-ID: <510547.9193.qm@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have just opened the package and examined the
pieces.
The meteorite is clearly an H chondrite, likely H4
since it has large chondrules, (one chondrule
measuring 4 mm was in the box, broken out of the
matrix, a perfect little gray egg shaped single
chondrule! It is a breccia, one piece weighing 10
grams (ALL MINE SUCKERS) is incredible, it is a white
round clast surrounded by gray matrix.

Those of you who are waiting for pieces, email me now,
I am certainly already sold out already, so if you
haven't emailed me, sorry for the moment.
Michael Farmer



From markig at westnet.com  Fri May  2 14:42:58 2008
From: markig at westnet.com (Mark Grossman)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 14:42:58 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] What the heck is going on??
References: <mailman.122.1209676364.64769.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
	<481B579A.4040404@meteoritewatch.com>
Message-ID: <005801c8ac84$57893710$6501a8c0@QED>

In addition to new falls, etc,, how about some comments on laboratory
methods to match samples that was posted the other day?

I received two great responses off-line - none on the list.

Maybe everyone is interested more in the bickering and the BS!

Mark Grossman


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eric Wichman" <eric at meteoritewatch.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What the heck is going on??


> Hi all,
>
> I don't know Arnold#1 (Steve) or Farmer personally but have been
> corresponding with Paul since I got into this meteorite biz. I know Paul
> is a good guy, and if Steve and Mike are his friends then they must be
> OK too. As Farmer said, maybe it's a spring cleaning thing.
>
> Ruben's right! Stop the BS and the bickering. Nobody wants to hear this
> stuff. We're on this list to learn more about meteorites and share
> information with our friends. This is a friendly list and I am glad to
> have signed up, I'm tired of filtering out all the BS to get to the
> solid meteorite related info. New Fall? Awesome! Someone has something
> good for sale? GREAT! New classification? Wonderful...
>
> As for the UFC match "Haag vs Notkin" I'd pay BIG BUCKS to see that! ;)
> Maybe a flaming meteorite trophy for the winner.
>
> Eric Wichman
> www.MeteoriteWatch.com
>
> -------------------------------
>
> Geezz!
>
> I'm slow, so maybe I missed something but....
>
> Did we run out of reasons to stop bashing Steve Arnold
> (Chicago)? Or Bob Evans or other such screw-ups?
>
> I hate to see Farmer, Arnold#1 and Paul Harris in the
> cross hairs of each others scopes...
>
> First, because they are very knowledgeable and highly
> respected.
>
> Second, cause they are my Friends.
>
> Next thing you know Notkin and Haag are gonna square
> off in the octagon! Whats next?
>
> No More Dudes!
>
> Ruben Garcia
> Phoenix, Arizona
> http://www.mr-meteorite.com
>
> ----------------------------
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>


From psc2410xi at yahoo.com  Fri May  2 14:57:50 2008
From: psc2410xi at yahoo.com (Don Rawlings)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 11:57:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] What the heck is going on??
In-Reply-To: <005801c8ac84$57893710$6501a8c0@QED>
Message-ID: <891902.45038.qm@web59303.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Situation normal then.

Don

--- Mark Grossman <markig at westnet.com> wrote:

> Maybe everyone is interested more in the bickering
> and the BS!
> 
> Mark Grossman
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Eric Wichman" <eric at meteoritewatch.com>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 2:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What the heck is going
> on??
> 
> 
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I don't know Arnold#1 (Steve) or Farmer personally
> but have been
> > corresponding with Paul since I got into this
> meteorite biz. I know Paul
> > is a good guy, and if Steve and Mike are his
> friends then they must be
> > OK too. As Farmer said, maybe it's a spring
> cleaning thing.
> >
> > Ruben's right! Stop the BS and the bickering.
> Nobody wants to hear this
> > stuff. We're on this list to learn more about
> meteorites and share
> > information with our friends. This is a friendly
> list and I am glad to
> > have signed up, I'm tired of filtering out all the
> BS to get to the
> > solid meteorite related info. New Fall? Awesome!
> Someone has something
> > good for sale? GREAT! New classification?
> Wonderful...
> >
> > As for the UFC match "Haag vs Notkin" I'd pay BIG
> BUCKS to see that! ;)
> > Maybe a flaming meteorite trophy for the winner.
> >
> > Eric Wichman
> > www.MeteoriteWatch.com
> >
> > -------------------------------
> >
> > Geezz!
> >
> > I'm slow, so maybe I missed something but....
> >
> > Did we run out of reasons to stop bashing Steve
> Arnold
> > (Chicago)? Or Bob Evans or other such screw-ups?
> >
> > I hate to see Farmer, Arnold#1 and Paul Harris in
> the
> > cross hairs of each others scopes...
> >
> > First, because they are very knowledgeable and
> highly
> > respected.
> >
> > Second, cause they are my Friends.
> >
> > Next thing you know Notkin and Haag are gonna
> square
> > off in the octagon! Whats next?
> >
> > No More Dudes!
> >
> > Ruben Garcia
> > Phoenix, Arizona
> > http://www.mr-meteorite.com
> >
> > ----------------------------
> >
> > ______________________________________________
> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >
>
http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >
> 
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>
http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> 


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From paul at meteorite.com  Fri May  2 15:28:22 2008
From: paul at meteorite.com (Paul Harris)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 12:28:22 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] What the heck is going on?? Nothing!!! It's
 DEAD!!!
In-Reply-To: <481B579A.4040404@meteoritewatch.com>
References: <mailman.122.1209676364.64769.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
	<481B579A.4040404@meteoritewatch.com>
Message-ID: <481B6B56.4030209@meteorite.com>

Please Stop Responding To This...

All I did was clarify what I was doing so some people on the list would 
understand.

Ruben did not read all of my email and assumed there was a problem.

I then sent an email to the list to clarify that I did not have any 
problem with Steve #1 and Michael.  I've only ever had wonderful 
conversations with both Steve #1 and Michael.

So please stop. The only problem is that people keep saying there is a 
problem...

Paul


Eric Wichman wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I don't know Arnold#1 (Steve) or Farmer personally but have been 
> corresponding with Paul since I got into this meteorite biz. I know 
> Paul is a good guy, and if Steve and Mike are his friends then they 
> must be OK too. As Farmer said, maybe it's a spring cleaning thing.
>
> Ruben's right! Stop the BS and the bickering. Nobody wants to hear 
> this stuff. We're on this list to learn more about meteorites and 
> share information with our friends. This is a friendly list and I am 
> glad to have signed up, I'm tired of filtering out all the BS to get 
> to the solid meteorite related info. New Fall? Awesome! Someone has 
> something good for sale? GREAT! New classification? Wonderful...
>
> As for the UFC match "Haag vs Notkin" I'd pay BIG BUCKS to see that! 
> ;) Maybe a flaming meteorite trophy for the winner.
>
> Eric Wichman
> www.MeteoriteWatch.com
>
> -------------------------------
>
> Geezz!
>
> I'm slow, so maybe I missed something but....
>
> Did we run out of reasons to stop bashing Steve Arnold
> (Chicago)? Or Bob Evans or other such screw-ups?
>
> I hate to see Farmer, Arnold#1 and Paul Harris in the
> cross hairs of each others scopes...
>
> First, because they are very knowledgeable and highly
> respected.
>
> Second, cause they are my Friends.
>
> Next thing you know Notkin and Haag are gonna square
> off in the octagon! Whats next?
>
> No More Dudes!
> Ruben Garcia
> Phoenix, Arizona
> http://www.mr-meteorite.com
>
> ----------------------------
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
>



From mlblood at cox.net  Fri May  2 16:02:23 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 13:02:23 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] New Friends
In-Reply-To: <29A9DB45B84970458190D7D39BD42C492C2373@gamma.ssl.atw>
Message-ID: <C440C15F.16542%mlblood@cox.net>

Greetings all,
        People who are on the existing METEORITE FRIENDS PAGE

http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/MeteoriteFriends.html

Are automatically "approved" for the new, more comprehensive page
at:

http://www.meteorite.com/friends/

However, if you are new to both, please first email me first with your
Name and a portrait photo in jpg format (I can crop in photoshop
If needed). I will put you "up" on the traditional page and inform Paul. You
will then be able to automatically enter yourself on the new and more
comprehensive page and the photo on the "old" page will be you #1 photo on
the newer page.  
        This will allow screening out spammers, nut jobs and convicted
Meteorite thieves. 
        Best wishes, Michael





From Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr  Fri May  2 16:31:40 2008
From: Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr (Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 22:31:40 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Chinese meteorite fall--any ideas on
	which	one? 2007-07-05 update
In-Reply-To: <90885.25302.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <90885.25302.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20080502223140.6jh0jr5jjyg48o80@w3mail.univ-mulhouse.fr>

May 27!
My birthday....
Dirk, save a fragment of this meteorite for me if ever you happnen to  
get some. I haven't got any birhstone in my collection so far.

Zelimir

Btw: I will be in Dalian (Liaoning Prov.) in 2 weeks from now. How far  
is Heihe from Dalian ?


drtanuki <drtanuki at yahoo.com> a ??crit? :

> Dear List,
>   Found this in the Chinese news.  May 27 was given as
> the fall date, published 2007-07-05.
>
> Meteorite crash lands just 2m from farm worker
>
> A meteorite formed some 4.6 billion years ago, landed
> on the banks of a fish pond in Heihe, Heilongjiang, on
> May 27 right in front of a worker, Song.
>
> "That evening, the meteorite with its largest pieces
> the size of an ordinary steamed-bread, struck the bank
> with tremendous force and sound, creating a crater
> just 2 meters from me," Song said. "I tremble at the
> very thought of it."
>
> "As far as I know, the distance between where the
> meteorite landed and its witness is the closest we
> have seen in this country," Zhang Baolin, an expert
> from the Beijing Planetarium, said.
>
> (Beijing Evening News)
>
> Dirk Ross...Tokyo
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Fri May  2 16:39:43 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 13:39:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Chinese meteorite fall--any ideas on which
	one? 2007-07-05 update
In-Reply-To: <20080502223140.6jh0jr5jjyg48o80@w3mail.univ-mulhouse.fr>
Message-ID: <490333.43712.qm@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

So where is that meteorite? any photos? does anyone
have specimens?
Michael Farmer

--- Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr wrote:

> May 27!
> My birthday....
> Dirk, save a fragment of this meteorite for me if
> ever you happnen to  
> get some. I haven't got any birhstone in my
> collection so far.
> 
> Zelimir
> 
> Btw: I will be in Dalian (Liaoning Prov.) in 2 weeks
> from now. How far  
> is Heihe from Dalian ?
> 
> 
> drtanuki <drtanuki at yahoo.com> a ??crit? :
> 
> > Dear List,
> >   Found this in the Chinese news.  May 27 was
> given as
> > the fall date, published 2007-07-05.
> >
> > Meteorite crash lands just 2m from farm worker
> >
> > A meteorite formed some 4.6 billion years ago,
> landed
> > on the banks of a fish pond in Heihe,
> Heilongjiang, on
> > May 27 right in front of a worker, Song.
> >
> > "That evening, the meteorite with its largest
> pieces
> > the size of an ordinary steamed-bread, struck the
> bank
> > with tremendous force and sound, creating a crater
> > just 2 meters from me," Song said. "I tremble at
> the
> > very thought of it."
> >
> > "As far as I know, the distance between where the
> > meteorite landed and its witness is the closest we
> > have seen in this country," Zhang Baolin, an
> expert
> > from the Beijing Planetarium, said.
> >
> > (Beijing Evening News)
> >
> > Dirk Ross...Tokyo
> > ______________________________________________
> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >
>
http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >
> 
> 
> 
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>
http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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From Metorman46 at aol.com  Fri May  2 16:46:07 2008
From: Metorman46 at aol.com (Metorman46 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 16:46:07 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] happy surprise continued...
Message-ID: <bf9.37878c89.354cd78f@aol.com>


Thanks Herman I am glad someone had  something to say that was in the same 
spirit as my email!

Hello Dave  and all;

Dave you are spot on with that statement.Surprises are still  possible,i 
think,if someone makes an effort for such an event.Enjoy your  specimen and have a 
great lifetime.

Best Regards;Herman Archer IMCA 2770  




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From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Fri May  2 18:50:50 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 15:50:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] New photos of the Zunhua meteorite
Message-ID: <842881.12448.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

http://meteoriteguy.com/chinafall.htm


Go down to the bottom of the page, there are close-up
photos of my 10.7 gram collection piece, showing two
lithologies. There are many chondrules, I think H4
chondrite.

Michael Farmer

From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri May  2 19:05:01 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 16:05:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - April 30, 2008
Message-ID: <200805022305.QAA11812@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES
April 30, 2008

o Ejecta Blanket of an Impact Crater
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_007822_1415

o Defrosting Dunes in the North Polar Sand Sea
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_007801_2610

o Segment of a Crater Ray
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_007751_1640

o Exposed Layers in Crater Wall Near Mawrth Vallis 
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_007744_2055
   
All of the HiRISE images are archived here:

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/

Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is 
online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is 
managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division 
of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA 
Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed 
Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor 
and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the 
University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies 
Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument.

From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri May  2 19:07:01 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 16:07:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: April 28 - May 2, 2008
Message-ID: <200805022307.QAA12813@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES
April 28 - May 2, 2008

o Triplet Crater (Released 28 April 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080428a

o Landslide (Released 29 April 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080429a

o Granicus Valles (Released 30 April 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080430a

o Elysium Planitia (Released 01 May 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080501a

o Ridges (Released 02 May 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080502a


All of the THEMIS images are archived here:

http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html

NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission 
for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission 
Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University,
Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. 
The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State 
University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor 
for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission 
operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a 
division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. 




From marcin at polandmet.com  Fri May  2 19:17:12 2008
From: marcin at polandmet.com (PolandMET)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 01:17:12 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] New photos of the Zunhua meteorite
References: <842881.12448.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001801c8acaa$a72f4590$0d00000a@polandmezrd5i9>

> http://meteoriteguy.com/chinafall.htm
>
>
> Go down to the bottom of the page, there are close-up
> photos of my 10.7 gram collection piece, showing two
> lithologies. There are many chondrules, I think H4
> chondrite.
> Michael Farmer

Mike, very beautifull material. I cant remember any other meteorite similar 
to this,  with soo sharp edges beetween matrix and breccia. This fragments 
are sooo white.
I want similar hole in my room :)

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From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Fri May  2 19:31:49 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 16:31:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Smithsonian Allende and new Suizhou collection
	pieces
Message-ID: <84591.76893.qm@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi everyone.

I finally got around to posting my new Allende I got
in my Smithsonian exchange on my website, as well as a
1.6 kilogram Suizhou stone I got today from China,
along with the Zunhua pieces.
Both the stones still have dirt imbedded in the crust
from impact 39 and and 23 years later! I am glad they
did not clean them.


http://www.meteoriteguy.com/collection/allende.htm
http://www.meteoriteguy.com/collection/suizhou.htm
What do you guys think about these beauties?
Michael Farmer



From valparint at aol.com  Fri May  2 19:38:06 2008
From: valparint at aol.com (valparint at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 16:38:06 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Apology to list members and Randall
Message-ID: <F0PBX61xipygREgi4i200000459@f0pbx61.vpoffsiteweb.local>

Mike,

You're not a fool. Quite the opposite. I was highly impressed by your 
post.

You now have a indisputable anchor point that clearly marks you as the 
"good guy". Beyond that, there is no point trying to use rational 
arguments with an irrational person.

Paul Swartz

>Jerry, unfortunately it was for naught.
>
>I made an agreement with Randall last night, I
>complied with his wishes, that to bury the hatchet I
>would publicly  apologize so that we could both stop
>this nonsense.
>Within minutes of my email to the list, I got a
>non-stop barrage of threats, invitations, and laughs
>about how he "fooled" me. Very Casperesque if I do say
>so myself. Remmember that nonsense?
>
>I am the fool, I thought I could deal with a person of
>his nature, it can't be done. 


From david.carothers at verizon.net  Fri May  2 19:38:27 2008
From: david.carothers at verizon.net (Dave Carothers)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 19:38:27 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Smithsonian Allende and new Suizhou
	collection	pieces
References: <84591.76893.qm@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <008701c8acad$9fb10f80$6401a8c0@WINBOOKJ>

Both are absolutely beautiful.  Thanks for sharing them with us.

Regards,

Dave

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Farmer" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 7:31 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Smithsonian Allende and new Suizhou collection 
pieces


> Hi everyone.
>
> I finally got around to posting my new Allende I got
> in my Smithsonian exchange on my website, as well as a
> 1.6 kilogram Suizhou stone I got today from China,
> along with the Zunhua pieces.
> Both the stones still have dirt imbedded in the crust
> from impact 39 and and 23 years later! I am glad they
> did not clean them.
>
>
> http://www.meteoriteguy.com/collection/allende.htm
> http://www.meteoriteguy.com/collection/suizhou.htm
> What do you guys think about these beauties?
> Michael Farmer
>
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list 


From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Fri May  2 19:54:47 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 16:54:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Smithsonian Allende and new Suizhou collection
	pieces
In-Reply-To: <008701c8acad$9fb10f80$6401a8c0@WINBOOKJ>
Message-ID: <290030.62165.qm@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

No problem, that is what this list is about, sharing
photos, stories, questions, whatever as long as
meteorites are the subject. 
Today was such a nice day! I will be leaving for a
long meteorite hunt on Tuesday, so anyone with any
business with me, please let's wrap it up this
weekend.
Otherwise, I will see all of my European friends in
Ensisheim and Saint Marie aux Mines in France next
month! I will be exhibiting in France at Ensisheim,
and doing a lot of wine drinking in St Marie, it
should be a blast. Who else will be there?
Michael Farmer
--- Dave Carothers <david.carothers at verizon.net>
wrote:

> Both are absolutely beautiful.  Thanks for sharing
> them with us.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Dave
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Michael Farmer" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 7:31 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Smithsonian Allende and
> new Suizhou collection 
> pieces
> 
> 
> > Hi everyone.
> >
> > I finally got around to posting my new Allende I
> got
> > in my Smithsonian exchange on my website, as well
> as a
> > 1.6 kilogram Suizhou stone I got today from China,
> > along with the Zunhua pieces.
> > Both the stones still have dirt imbedded in the
> crust
> > from impact 39 and and 23 years later! I am glad
> they
> > did not clean them.
> >
> >
> > http://www.meteoriteguy.com/collection/allende.htm
> > http://www.meteoriteguy.com/collection/suizhou.htm
> > What do you guys think about these beauties?
> > Michael Farmer
> >
> >
> > ______________________________________________
> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >
>
http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> 
> 
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>
http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Fri May  2 20:20:47 2008
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 01:20:47 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Smithsonian Allende and new Suizhou collection
 pieces
In-Reply-To: <290030.62165.qm@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <290030.62165.qm@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <481BAFDF.1050904@ntlworld.com>


Great pieces Mike....looks like this last month has been a good one.

Hoping to get to Ensisheim or Saint Marie again this year...but not sure 
yet.

And now a question Mike...or anyone else out there.  Are there any 
records of  chondrite falls that were found many years after the actual 
fall (40 or more years) in climates which are wet or similar the Britain.

I am still trying to asses what sort of state a meteorite such as 
Barwell may be in after weathering the elements for that long as we are 
still on the track/hunt for one large piece observed to fall by a farmer 
well outside of the normal strewnfield but never recovered. Are there 
instances of such finds, and if not, is it because they have weathered a 
way completely?

Any thoughts anyone?

Graham Ensor


Michael Farmer wrote:

>No problem, that is what this list is about, sharing
>photos, stories, questions, whatever as long as
>meteorites are the subject. 
>Today was such a nice day! I will be leaving for a
>long meteorite hunt on Tuesday, so anyone with any
>business with me, please let's wrap it up this
>weekend.
>Otherwise, I will see all of my European friends in
>Ensisheim and Saint Marie aux Mines in France next
>month! I will be exhibiting in France at Ensisheim,
>and doing a lot of wine drinking in St Marie, it
>should be a blast. Who else will be there?
>Michael Farmer
>--- Dave Carothers <david.carothers at verizon.net>
>wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Both are absolutely beautiful.  Thanks for sharing
>>them with us.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Dave
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Michael Farmer" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
>>To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 7:31 PM
>>Subject: [meteorite-list] Smithsonian Allende and
>>new Suizhou collection 
>>pieces
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Hi everyone.
>>>
>>>I finally got around to posting my new Allende I
>>>      
>>>
>>got
>>    
>>
>>>in my Smithsonian exchange on my website, as well
>>>      
>>>
>>as a
>>    
>>
>>>1.6 kilogram Suizhou stone I got today from China,
>>>along with the Zunhua pieces.
>>>Both the stones still have dirt imbedded in the
>>>      
>>>
>>crust
>>    
>>
>>>from impact 39 and and 23 years later! I am glad
>>>      
>>>
>>they
>>    
>>
>>>did not clean them.
>>>
>>>
>>>http://www.meteoriteguy.com/collection/allende.htm
>>>http://www.meteoriteguy.com/collection/suizhou.htm
>>>What do you guys think about these beauties?
>>>Michael Farmer
>>>
>>>
>>>______________________________________________
>>>http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>>Meteorite-list mailing list
>>>Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>  
>
>>______________________________________________
>>http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>Meteorite-list mailing list
>>Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>
>>    
>>
>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>  
>
>
>______________________________________________
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>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
>
>  
>

From markig at westnet.com  Fri May  2 20:29:08 2008
From: markig at westnet.com (Mark Grossman)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 20:29:08 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Smithsonian Allende and new Suizhou
	collectionpieces
References: <84591.76893.qm@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001501c8acb4$b3709610$6501a8c0@QED>

Mike,

Fantastic specimen, fantastic note written by Dr. Clarke.  What a
combination!

Congratulations!

Mark Grossman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Farmer" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 7:31 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Smithsonian Allende and new Suizhou
collectionpieces


> Hi everyone.
>
> I finally got around to posting my new Allende I got
> in my Smithsonian exchange on my website, as well as a
> 1.6 kilogram Suizhou stone I got today from China,
> along with the Zunhua pieces.
> Both the stones still have dirt imbedded in the crust
> from impact 39 and and 23 years later! I am glad they
> did not clean them.
>
>
> http://www.meteoriteguy.com/collection/allende.htm
> http://www.meteoriteguy.com/collection/suizhou.htm
> What do you guys think about these beauties?
> Michael Farmer
>
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>


From paul at meteorite.com  Fri May  2 20:30:19 2008
From: paul at meteorite.com (Paul Harris)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 17:30:19 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] What the heck is going on?? Nothing!!! It's
 DEAD!!! JOKE
In-Reply-To: <bfa.135f025a.354ccae5@aol.com>
References: <bfa.135f025a.354ccae5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <481BB21B.50803@meteorite.com>

Hey Steve!

You're absolutely right :-)  I owe you a beer on that one! 

Paul

MeteorHntr at aol.com wrote:
> WARNING JOKE AHEAD
>  
> Be prepared to be tempted to be offended... but resist the urge!
>  
> The following is ONLY a Joke:
>  
>  
> In a message dated 5/2/2008 2:28:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
> paul at meteorite.com writes:
>
>     So please stop. The only problem is that people keep saying there
>     is a
>     problem...
>
>  
> Paul,
>  
> Actually, there are 2 problems, the one you mentioned and:
>
> The other problem is that you have a problem with other people saying 
> there is a problem.  
>  
> Not that I have a problem with you having a problem with people saying 
> there is a problem.
>  
> Because if I did have a problem with you having a problem with other 
> people saying there is a problem, then there would be 3 problems with it.
>  
> ;-)   <<<<wink!
>  
> Joke.  It was  a joke.  Just a joke.  Please don't get mad at me for 
> the joke.
>  
> I warned you all in the Subject and in the heading and once again here 
> at the end.
>
> Steve #1
>  
>
>
>
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From rob_mccafferty at yahoo.com  Fri May  2 20:45:13 2008
From: rob_mccafferty at yahoo.com (Rob McCafferty)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 17:45:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Superheavy element found in nature
In-Reply-To: <42fc01c8a9cf$a3fc3b40$8250e146@ATARIENGINE>
Message-ID: <820987.2793.qm@web51010.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

If this element is confirmed, even if it is 1:10^-12 ratio with thorium, I suspect supernova would be the source.

These are found on earth and are not subject to quite so many cosmic rays
That they are found in thorium, an already heavy element seems to suggest this may well be the case
To still be present on the earth would require them to be unusually stable for a large element. If this element falls into the 'magic number' category it would also suggest a supernova source if found in earth rocks.
Assuming the Presolar nebula was seeded by a supernova, the formation would have been quite swift (~10^8 years). Would that be enough for cosmic ray seeding? If it were, then we should likely find a relative abundance of this new element in meteorites as they have a greater exposure to cosmic rays (constant burial depth over billions of years, no atmosphere to absorb rays, etc) I wonder if there are ever likely to be any plans to conduct this search.
If Mendeleev could predict the properties of elements in the 1890s surely we can suggest a way to isolate this element in the 2000s. Either to confirm or deny its existence.
R McC


An attempt to concentrate his element should be made to either confirm or deny its existence. 




--- On Tue, 4/29/08, Sterling K. Webb <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> From: Sterling K. Webb <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Superheavy element found in nature
> To: cynapse at charter.net, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Tuesday, April 29, 2008, 9:04 AM
> Superheavy Fans!
> 
>     If the Unbibium atom was made in your
> Super Supernova, it would have to be the
> result of lighter elements with extra neutron
> goodness being squeezed together hard enough
> to merge them into unbibium by a kind of
> condensate fusion. Now, supernovae happen
> because stars can't even fuse dinky little 26Fe:
> it tries; it fails; the failed star collapses -- Boom!
> A supernova is the sound of one hand clapping.
> 
>     Maybe that's the prime source of Superheavies,
> but maybe not.
> 
>     One of the best methods for producing the
> Superheavies is to bombard an Already-Heavy with
> rare neutron-rich isotopes. 20Calcium-48 is a favorite--
> and it's cheap -- only $200,000 a gram, a price to
> make a meteorite dealer drool...
> 
>     Here's an very clear and understandable article
> about Superheavies by an expert, Yuri Oganessian:
> http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/print/19751
> Oganessian is the discoverer of Element 118, temp
> name ununoctium.
> 
>     But, there are other ways to get a really energetic
> odd isotope -- cosmic rays. Ion accelerators are a
> mere 90% of lightspeed, but cosmic ray nuclei are
> in the 99.999...% class.
> 
>     So, they claim to have found the Unbibium atoms
> in a deposit of thorium, whoops! in 90Thorium-232.
> All we need is a cosmic ray that just happens to be
> one of the thirty-odd isotopes of Germanium, like
> 32Ge-60:
> 
> 90Th-232
>    +
> 32Ge-60
>    =
> 122Ubb-292
> 
>     The 32Ge-60 atom would have to have just the right
> speed to be able to merge with the thorium without exciting
> it so much it just goes to pieces, of course, but cosmic
> rays are variable in energy and are made up of every kind
> of nuclei from the lightest to the heaviest elements, so
> there's some 32Ge-60 out there somewhere.
> 
>     If some Superheavies are formed by cold fusion
> (that's
> what they call it -- it's not the other "cold
> fusion"), then
> meteorites might be a better place to look for the
> naturally
> occurring Superheavies than Earth rocks. The cosmic ray
> exposure of meteorites is greater, so the minute abundance
> of Superheavies might be too.
> 
>     If I were going hunting with a mass spectrometer, first
> thing I'd do is buy a bag of some NWA with thorium in
> its bulk composition. If what they found is unbibium,
> it's
> a light isotope; the "normal" atomic weight of
> unbibium
> would be 324, not 292. It's short 32 neutrons. They
> also
> say it could be an isotope of elements 124 or 126. Oddly,
> one theory of how to align the extended periodic table
> place cerium, thorium, and unbibium in an extended
> "group."
> 
>     What we want is to find (a big chunk of) is the
> elements
> on "the Island of Stability" that are long-lived,
> super-dense,
> super-strong, and have other strange properties we can
> exploit!
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_of_stability
> Here's an extended Periodic Table that shows all the
> elements that don't exist, but may exist afterall!
> http://www.apsidium.com/ext_pt/expertab.pdf
> 
> 
> Sterling K. Webb
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Darren Garrison"
> <cynapse at charter.net>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 12:14 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Superheavy element found in
> nature
> 
> 
> http://arxivblog.com/?p=385
> 
> http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0804/0804.3869.pdf
> 
> This is meteorite related in that, well, if this finding
> pans out, then the
> element has to be supernova generated, and present in
> meteorites (and 
> meteorite
> parent bodies), too.  And, depending on the chemical
> properties, maybe even 
> more
> highly concentrated in meteorites than in the Earth's
> crust.  If you look 
> hard
> enough, you might find them in meteorites.
> 
> (But mostly, just a cool story)
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From Metorman46 at aol.com  Fri May  2 22:15:54 2008
From: Metorman46 at aol.com (Metorman46 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 22:15:54 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Smithsonian Allende and new Suizhou
Message-ID: <c2d.333a0477.354d24da@aol.com>

Mike;
 
I think the allende and suizhue you posted are phenominal.And i am glad you  
were able to make such a great trade with the smithsonian.Good luck.Thanks for 
 posting.
 
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From grf2 at verizon.net  Fri May  2 22:20:10 2008
From: grf2 at verizon.net (Jerry)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 22:20:10 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] New Friends
In-Reply-To: <C440C15F.16542%mlblood@cox.net>
References: <C440C15F.16542%mlblood@cox.net>
Message-ID: <8DA40234ED044CC7B2DF07B720C4C2DA@Notebook>

Great Job!
Jerry Flaherty
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael L Blood" <mlblood at cox.net>
To: "Meteorite List" <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Friends


> Greetings all,
>        People who are on the existing METEORITE FRIENDS PAGE
>
> http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/MeteoriteFriends.html
>
> Are automatically "approved" for the new, more comprehensive page
> at:
>
> http://www.meteorite.com/friends/
>
> However, if you are new to both, please first email me first with your
> Name and a portrait photo in jpg format (I can crop in photoshop
> If needed). I will put you "up" on the traditional page and inform Paul. 
> You
> will then be able to automatically enter yourself on the new and more
> comprehensive page and the photo on the "old" page will be you #1 photo on
> the newer page.
>        This will allow screening out spammers, nut jobs and convicted
> Meteorite thieves.
>        Best wishes, Michael
>
>
>
>
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From grf2 at verizon.net  Fri May  2 22:26:12 2008
From: grf2 at verizon.net (Jerry)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 22:26:12 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] New photos of the Zunhua meteorite
In-Reply-To: <842881.12448.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <842881.12448.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <13D1EA93A48C4ED7BFCC8D445F2C8E0F@Notebook>

Cool Mike!
Jerry Flaherty
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Farmer" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 6:50 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] New photos of the Zunhua meteorite


> http://meteoriteguy.com/chinafall.htm
> 
> 
> Go down to the bottom of the page, there are close-up
> photos of my 10.7 gram collection piece, showing two
> lithologies. There are many chondrules, I think H4
> chondrite.
> 
> Michael Farmer
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From cynapse at charter.net  Fri May  2 22:53:39 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 22:53:39 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Details on a recent fall
In-Reply-To: <bf9.37878c89.354cd78f@aol.com>
References: <bf9.37878c89.354cd78f@aol.com>
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24386004/

From cynapse at charter.net  Sat May  3 01:07:01 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 01:07:01 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] More meteorite fiction (kidlit)
In-Reply-To: <652334.45115.qm@web58414.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.186.1209709710.11145.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
	<652334.45115.qm@web58414.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0nsn149nvcr749lk9ll3l648gsk02kdftc@4ax.com>

http://www.amazon.com/Piece-Sky-David-Patneaude/dp/0807565369/

From axelsson at acc.umu.se  Sat May  3 02:37:18 2008
From: axelsson at acc.umu.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=F6ran_Axelsson?=)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 08:37:18 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite survival
In-Reply-To: <481BAFDF.1050904@ntlworld.com>
References: <290030.62165.qm@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<481BAFDF.1050904@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <481C081E.2010205@acc.umu.se>

I changed the subject as this topic took a different path from the 
original posting.

There are strong evidence that the Ultuna meteorite found in 1944 is 
paired with the 1869 Hessle fall. Classified as H chondrites. I don't 
know the weathering grade of Ultuna.
I had the happy coincidence to handle a large (about 600g) individual 
this winter.

Ref : NYSTR?M, J.O. AND WICKMAN, F.E.,1994: The Ultuna and Hessle 
meteorites, Sweden: paired falls? GFF 116, pp. 231-233.

/G?ran

ensoramanda wrote:
>
> Great pieces Mike....looks like this last month has been a good one.
>
> Hoping to get to Ensisheim or Saint Marie again this year...but not 
> sure yet.
>
> And now a question Mike...or anyone else out there.  Are there any 
> records of  chondrite falls that were found many years after the 
> actual fall (40 or more years) in climates which are wet or similar 
> the Britain.
>
> I am still trying to asses what sort of state a meteorite such as 
> Barwell may be in after weathering the elements for that long as we 
> are still on the track/hunt for one large piece observed to fall by a 
> farmer well outside of the normal strewnfield but never recovered. Are 
> there instances of such finds, and if not, is it because they have 
> weathered a way completely?
>
> Any thoughts anyone?
>
> Graham Ensor
>


From mlblood at cox.net  Sat May  3 04:18:20 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 01:18:20 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] What the heck is going on?? Nothing!!! It's
 DEAD!!! JOKE
In-Reply-To: <481BB21B.50803@meteorite.com>
Message-ID: <C4416DDC.16588%mlblood@cox.net>

Steve,
        I have a problem with you having a problem with
Paul having a problem with others having a problem.
        Sincerely, Michael


on 5/2/08 5:30 PM, Paul Harris at paul at meteorite.com wrote:

> Hey Steve!
> 
> You're absolutely right :-)  I owe you a beer on that one!
> 
> Paul
> 
> MeteorHntr at aol.com wrote:
>> WARNING JOKE AHEAD
>>  
>> Be prepared to be tempted to be offended... but resist the urge!
>>  
>> The following is ONLY a Joke:
>>  
>>  
>> In a message dated 5/2/2008 2:28:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
>> paul at meteorite.com writes:
>> 
>>     So please stop. The only problem is that people keep saying there
>>     is a
>>     problem...
>> 
>>  
>> Paul,
>>  
>> Actually, there are 2 problems, the one you mentioned and:
>> 
>> The other problem is that you have a problem with other people saying
>> there is a problem.
>>  
>> Not that I have a problem with you having a problem with people saying
>> there is a problem.
>>  
>> Because if I did have a problem with you having a problem with other
>> people saying there is a problem, then there would be 3 problems with it.
>>  
>> ;-)   <<<<wink!
>>  
>> Joke.  It was  a joke.  Just a joke.  Please don't get mad at me for
>> the joke.
>>  
>> I warned you all in the Subject and in the heading and once again here
>> at the end.
>> 
>> Steve #1
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com  Sat May  3 07:06:46 2008
From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com (SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 07:06:46 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 3, 2008
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http://www.rocksfromspace.org/May_3_2008.html

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From info at meteorites.com.au  Sat May  3 08:35:32 2008
From: info at meteorites.com.au (Jeff Kuyken)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 22:35:32 +1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite survival
In-Reply-To: <481C081E.2010205@acc.umu.se>
References: <290030.62165.qm@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com><481BAFDF.1050904@ntlworld.com>
	<481C081E.2010205@acc.umu.se>
Message-ID: <EA72215F95874B0FA8DD65E6FB4CABBD@JeffPC>

Hi Graham, G?ran & all,

I believe Pultusk would be another good example. Here's an example that
Marcin has:

http://www.polandmet.com/_pultusk.htm

Cheers,

Jeff



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "G?ran Axelsson" <axelsson at acc.umu.se>
To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite survival


I changed the subject as this topic took a different path from the
original posting.

There are strong evidence that the Ultuna meteorite found in 1944 is
paired with the 1869 Hessle fall. Classified as H chondrites. I don't
know the weathering grade of Ultuna.
I had the happy coincidence to handle a large (about 600g) individual
this winter.

Ref : NYSTR?M, J.O. AND WICKMAN, F.E.,1994: The Ultuna and Hessle
meteorites, Sweden: paired falls? GFF 116, pp. 231-233.

/G?ran

ensoramanda wrote:
>
> Great pieces Mike....looks like this last month has been a good one.
>
> Hoping to get to Ensisheim or Saint Marie again this year...but not sure
> yet.
>
> And now a question Mike...or anyone else out there.  Are there any records
> of  chondrite falls that were found many years after the actual fall (40
> or more years) in climates which are wet or similar the Britain.
>
> I am still trying to asses what sort of state a meteorite such as Barwell
> may be in after weathering the elements for that long as we are still on
> the track/hunt for one large piece observed to fall by a farmer well
> outside of the normal strewnfield but never recovered. Are there instances
> of such finds, and if not, is it because they have weathered a way
> completely?
>
> Any thoughts anyone?
>
> Graham Ensor
>

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From mark at meteorites.cc  Sat May  3 09:02:22 2008
From: mark at meteorites.cc (Mark Crawford)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 14:02:22 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Extra-solar material?
Message-ID: <481C625E.4080200@meteorites.cc>

I'm reading Paul Davies' "The Fifth Miracle". In chapter 6 it refers to 
the 1996 discovery by Taylor, Baggaley and Steel of inter-stellar dust 
particles entering the earth's atmosphere in the form of fast (> 
70-km/s) meteors:

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v380/n6572/abs/380323a0.html

It got me wondering as to whether there are any candidates for 
meteorites which may be of extra-solar origin.  Are there any?  How 
would they be identified - a suspiciously long CRE age would perhaps be 
one indicator?

Mark

-- 
Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc


From mstreman53 at yahoo.com  Sat May  3 09:50:42 2008
From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 06:50:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Periodicity for mass extinctions correlated with
	movements thru galactic plane
Message-ID: <179361.89456.qm@web51012.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Periodicity for mass extinctions correlated with movements thru galactic plane.

<http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/05/080502092145.htm>

The Sun's Movement Through Milky Way Regularly Sends Comets Hurtling, Coinciding With Mass Life Extinctions

ScienceDaily (May 2, 2008) ? The sun's movement through the Milky Way regularly sends comets hurtling into the inner solar system -- coinciding with mass life extinctions on earth, a new study claims. The study suggests  a link between comet bombardment and the movement through the galaxy.

Scientists at the Cardiff Centre for Astrobiology built a computer model of our solar system's movement and found that it "bounces" up and down through the plane of the galaxy. As we pass through the densest part of the plane, gravitational forces from the surrounding giant gas and dust clouds dislodge comets from their paths. The comets plunge into the solar system, some of them colliding with the earth.

The Cardiff team found that we pass through the galactic plane every 35 to 40 million years, increasing the chances of a comet collision tenfold. Evidence from craters on Earth also suggests we suffer more collisions approximately 36 million years. Professor William Napier, of the Cardiff Centre for Astrobiology, said: "It's a beautiful match between what we see on the ground and what is expected from the galactic record."

The periods of comet bombardment also coincide with mass extinctions, such as that of the dinosaurs 65 million years ago. Our present position in the galaxy suggests we are now very close to another such period.

While the "bounce" effect may have been bad news for dinosaurs, it may also have helped life to spread. The scientists suggest the impact may have thrown debris containing micro-organisms out into space and across the universe.

Centre director Professor Chandra Wickramasinghe said: "This is a seminal paper which places the comet-life interaction on a firm basis, and shows a mechanism by which life can be dispersed on a galactic scale."

The paper, by Professor Napier and Dr Janaki Wickramasinghe, is to be published in the Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society.

Adapted from materials provided by Cardiff University, via EurekAlert!, a service of AAAS.

From riffraff at timewarp.de  Sat May  3 11:01:47 2008
From: riffraff at timewarp.de (Norbert Classen)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 17:01:47 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Extra-solar material?
In-Reply-To: <481C625E.4080200@meteorites.cc>
Message-ID: <000e01c8ad2e$9da27630$2002a8c0@lunatic>

Hi Mark,

The nano diamonds in Allende CAI's are considered to be samples of
extra-solar origin; at least they show isotopic values that don't match with
any of the other values measured for materials of our solar system
(including meteorites).

I believe there were studies of other (Antarctic) carbonaceous chondrites
which also were shown to be from other systems, but right now I don't
remember the exact publication. Should have been in MAPS, but I would have
to look this up, first. Bernd: do you have an idea where I might have read
about it?

But as far as I know no meteorite as such has been considered as
"extra-solar", so far - these are always inclusions, and most of them are
microscopically small.

All the best,
Norbert 

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----

I'm reading Paul Davies' "The Fifth Miracle". In chapter 6 it refers to the
1996 discovery by Taylor, Baggaley and Steel of inter-stellar dust particles
entering the earth's atmosphere in the form of fast (>
70-km/s) meteors:

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v380/n6572/abs/380323a0.html

It got me wondering as to whether there are any candidates for meteorites
which may be of extra-solar origin.  Are there any?  How would they be
identified - a suspiciously long CRE age would perhaps be one indicator?

Mark

--
Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc


From almitt at kconline.com  Sat May  3 11:42:06 2008
From: almitt at kconline.com (AL Mitterling)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 11:42:06 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Extra-solar material?
In-Reply-To: <481C625E.4080200@meteorites.cc>
References: <481C625E.4080200@meteorites.cc>
Message-ID: <481C87CE.90502@kconline.com>

Hi Mark and all,

As Norbert pointed out, only small microscopic inclusions have been 
found that probably contain extra solar material. No specimen that we 
have ever found is uniquely from another solar system. There are a 
number of reasons for this. First any material would have to travel 
great distances (light years) to enter our system. After entering our 
system, Earth would have to be lucky enough to be the target of such 
material plus material would have to be recovered after the fall. This 
puts the odds at great disadvantage. Coming from outside of our solar 
system the material would have a far greater speed than any asteroidal 
material or planetary material from inside our system, making the chance 
of survival less likely. Just like meteoroids that catch up to the 
Earth's orbit more often survive passage than meteoroids that have a 
head on collision with Earth survive less often due to forces of going 
through the atmosphere. We do see these high speed extra solar particals 
coming in at speeds many times the speeds of our systems material.

Such extra solar material would have most likely a far greater age. Over 
4.6 billion. Such a meteorite would have the age of it's solar system 
plus the age of it's travel time to our solar system. The farther away 
the material came from the greater the age if you figure out the great 
distances between other stars. The farther away the material came from 
the less likely it would end up in our system as it should encounter 
other systems on the way here.

Each meteorite in our system tends to contain some of the chemical 
signature from our Sun which makes it identifiable with our system. An 
extra solar meteorite would contain a different chemical signature based 
on the abundance of material that comes from that system. Just as no two 
stars in the sky contain the same exact spectral make up, no two systems 
would contain the same solar signature making it possible to distinguish 
such foreign matter to our system. No doubt isotopes would show a much 
older age and perhaps even unique types of isotopes that would puzzle 
our scientists. Maybe a fourth or fifth type of oxygen isotope that we 
use to distinguish Earth/moon system from Vestoids and Martian samples 
we have.

Will have to re-read McSween and find out what he had to say about this 
and I am sure he did make some comments.

Best!

--AL Mitterling


Mark Crawford wrote:

> I'm reading Paul Davies' "The Fifth Miracle". In chapter 6 it refers 
> to the 1996 discovery by Taylor, Baggaley and Steel of inter-stellar 
> dust particles entering the earth's atmosphere in the form of fast (> 
> 70-km/s) meteors:
>
> http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v380/n6572/abs/380323a0.html
>
> It got me wondering as to whether there are any candidates for 
> meteorites which may be of extra-solar origin.  Are there any?  How 
> would they be identified - a suspiciously long CRE age would perhaps 
> be one indicator?
>
> Mark
>


From midwest at meteorman.org  Sat May  3 11:42:59 2008
From: midwest at meteorman.org (Tim Heitz)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 10:42:59 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] test
Message-ID: <004d01c8ad34$5eddd4c0$5f1fcb63@TimsLaptop>



From clp at alumni.caltech.edu  Sat May  3 12:04:43 2008
From: clp at alumni.caltech.edu (Chris Peterson)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 10:04:43 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Extra-solar material?
References: <000e01c8ad2e$9da27630$2002a8c0@lunatic>
Message-ID: <003101c8ad37$6d19e800$0a01a8c0@bellatrix>

I recall an analysis that predicted the rate we might encounter 
extrasolar material, and it was high enough to suggest that the Earth 
has actually crossed paths with such stuff. But statistically, the 
velocity of extrasolar material is likely to be very high- well above 
the solar escape velocity- and we know both empirically and 
theoretically that this doesn't bode well for meteorite production.

Extrasolar meteors have probably occurred; extrasolar meteorites seem 
unlikely.

Chris

*****************************************
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Norbert Classen" <riffraff at timewarp.de>
To: "'Mark Crawford'" <mark at meteorites.cc>; 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Extra-solar material?


Hi Mark,

The nano diamonds in Allende CAI's are considered to be samples of
extra-solar origin; at least they show isotopic values that don't match 
with
any of the other values measured for materials of our solar system
(including meteorites).

I believe there were studies of other (Antarctic) carbonaceous 
chondrites
which also were shown to be from other systems, but right now I don't
remember the exact publication. Should have been in MAPS, but I would 
have
to look this up, first. Bernd: do you have an idea where I might have 
read
about it?

But as far as I know no meteorite as such has been considered as
"extra-solar", so far - these are always inclusions, and most of them 
are
microscopically small.

All the best,
Norbert


From david.carothers at verizon.net  Sat May  3 13:38:55 2008
From: david.carothers at verizon.net (Dave Carothers)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 13:38:55 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Greensburg Kansas Anniversary
Message-ID: <016001c8ad44$8fc71730$6401a8c0@WINBOOKJ>

Ladies and Gentlemen,

Lest we forget that one year ago, a tornado ripped through Greensburg, 
Kansas, destroying most of it.  Many of the members of this list contributed 
and worked the effort to donate to the reconstruction of the town.

For those who might be interested, the Discovery Channel is hosting a 60 
minute program on May 03, at 8:00 pm titled "Blown Away: Greensburg, 
Kansas".   The program will be shown again on May 04, at 12:00 am.

Steve Arnold #1 or Geoff Notkin...  I'm interesteed in how Greensburg has 
progressed these past 12 months.  Would you or anyone else on the list be 
able to provide and update?

Regards,

Dave
 


From MeteorHntr at aol.com  Sat May  3 14:04:15 2008
From: MeteorHntr at aol.com (MeteorHntr at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 14:04:15 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] What the heck is going on?? Nothing!!! It's
	DEAD!!! JOKE
Message-ID: <cda.2ce49a48.354e031f@aol.com>

Michael,

You know what?  

I have a problem with you  having a problem with me having a problem with 
Paul having a problem with others  saying there is a problem, because I EXPRESSLY 
stated my last post that I had NO  problem with Paul having a problem with 
others saying there is a problem.
 
So your problem is unfounded.  So I don't think you really have a  problem.

Now, tread softly on your response if your posting here ends up  talking Paul 
out of giving me my free beer at your auction next year, then YOU  are the 
one that is really going to have a BIG problem.
 
Oh, to keep this slightly meteorite related, I am slowly getting items up  at 
ebay to start the discounting, but people keep buying things before I lower  
the prices.  Not that I have a problem with that.  
 
Should I be concerned that the above paragraph might be a problem since  
someone might take my reply to this last post as a gimmick to talk  about my Steve 
Arnold's Famous Ebay Discount Marathon more than just one time in  a week?
 
Oh, I almost forgot, part of what I said above was a JOKE, an attempt to be  
funny.  But some of it was serious.  I am not up to sorting out which  is 
which.  So, if you are humourically challenged be careful before  responding in 
anger!

Steve #1



In a message dated 5/3/2008  3:19:43 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
mlblood at cox.net  writes:
Steve,
I have a problem  with you having a problem with
Paul having a problem with others having a  problem.
Sincerely,  Michael


on 5/2/08 5:30 PM, Paul Harris at paul at meteorite.com  wrote:

> Hey Steve!
> 
> You're absolutely right :-)   I owe you a beer on that one!
> 
> Paul
> 
>  MeteorHntr at aol.com wrote:
>> WARNING JOKE AHEAD
>>   
>> Be prepared to be tempted to be offended... but resist the  urge!
>>  
>> The following is ONLY a  Joke:
>>  
>>  
>> In a message dated  5/2/2008 2:28:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
>> paul at meteorite.com  writes:
>> 
>>     So please stop. The  only problem is that people keep saying  there
>>     is  a
>>     problem...
>> 
>>   
>> Paul,
>>  
>> Actually, there are 2  problems, the one you mentioned and:
>> 
>> The other problem  is that you have a problem with other people saying
>> there is a  problem.
>>  
>> Not that I have a problem with you  having a problem with people saying
>> there is a  problem.
>>  
>> Because if I did have a problem with you  having a problem with other
>> people saying there is a problem, then  there would be 3 problems with it.
>>  
>>  ;-)   <<<<wink!
>>  
>> Joke.   It was  a joke.  Just a joke.  Please don't get mad at me  for
>> the joke.
>>  
>> I warned you all in the  Subject and in the heading and once again here
>> at the  end.
>> 
>> Steve #1
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> 
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From majbaermann at web.de  Sat May  3 14:05:19 2008
From: majbaermann at web.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Matthias_B=E4rmann?=)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 20:05:19 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Extra-solar material?
References: <000e01c8ad2e$9da27630$2002a8c0@lunatic>
Message-ID: <000701c8ad48$40077420$2a01a8c0@ibmtp23>

Hi Norbert, list , -

isn't presolar extrasolar too, in a certain sense?

See f.e.: http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/Dec02/TagishLake.html

Best,

Matthias


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Norbert Classen" <riffraff at timewarp.de>
To: "'Mark Crawford'" <mark at meteorites.cc>; 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Extra-solar material?


Hi Mark,

The nano diamonds in Allende CAI's are considered to be samples of
extra-solar origin; at least they show isotopic values that don't match with
any of the other values measured for materials of our solar system
(including meteorites).

I believe there were studies of other (Antarctic) carbonaceous chondrites
which also were shown to be from other systems, but right now I don't
remember the exact publication. Should have been in MAPS, but I would have
to look this up, first. Bernd: do you have an idea where I might have read
about it?

But as far as I know no meteorite as such has been considered as
"extra-solar", so far - these are always inclusions, and most of them are
microscopically small.

All the best,
Norbert

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----

I'm reading Paul Davies' "The Fifth Miracle". In chapter 6 it refers to the
1996 discovery by Taylor, Baggaley and Steel of inter-stellar dust particles
entering the earth's atmosphere in the form of fast (>
70-km/s) meteors:

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v380/n6572/abs/380323a0.html

It got me wondering as to whether there are any candidates for meteorites
which may be of extra-solar origin.  Are there any?  How would they be
identified - a suspiciously long CRE age would perhaps be one indicator?

Mark

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From mlblood at cox.net  Sat May  3 14:11:04 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 11:11:04 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Extra-solar material?
In-Reply-To: <481C625E.4080200@meteorites.cc>
Message-ID: <C441F8C8.165B3%mlblood@cox.net>

Hi all,
        I have never been strong on the scientific side of meteoritics.
However, would such material entering the earth's atmosphere
at ultra super speeds POSSIBLY be responsible the Tunguska
Event, where "evidence" was blown to smithereens?
        Best wishes, Michael

on 5/3/08 6:02 AM, Mark Crawford at mark at meteorites.cc wrote:

> I'm reading Paul Davies' "The Fifth Miracle". In chapter 6 it refers to
> the 1996 discovery by Taylor, Baggaley and Steel of inter-stellar dust
> particles entering the earth's atmosphere in the form of fast (>
> 70-km/s) meteors:
> 
> http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v380/n6572/abs/380323a0.html
> 
> It got me wondering as to whether there are any candidates for
> meteorites which may be of extra-solar origin.  Are there any?  How
> would they be identified - a suspiciously long CRE age would perhaps be
> one indicator?
> 
> Mark

'Your living is determined not so much by what life brings to you as by the
attitude you bring to life; not so much by what happens to you as by the way
your mind looks at what happens.'  --Kahlil Gibran






From mark at meteorites.cc  Sat May  3 14:28:35 2008
From: mark at meteorites.cc (Mark Crawford)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 19:28:35 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Extra-solar material?
In-Reply-To: <003101c8ad37$6d19e800$0a01a8c0@bellatrix>
References: <000e01c8ad2e$9da27630$2002a8c0@lunatic>
	<003101c8ad37$6d19e800$0a01a8c0@bellatrix>
Message-ID: <481CAED3.7000203@meteorites.cc>

There's a PDF of the full paper linked from the abstract. If the results 
are correct (it's 12 years old, I don't know if the findings have been 
challenged since) then we would seem to have a steady stream of 
interstellar particles from at least 2 discrete extra-solar sources. 

I wonder if there would be value in a Stardust-like probe - perhaps in 
Earth orbit - aimed at trapping micrometeor particles before the impact 
the atmosphere. Or even the high-altitude 'fly paper' flights, intended 
to sample interplanetary dust particles (McSween refers to this in Ch 1 
of MATPP). Either approach would seem to offer the opportunity to 
realise a proportion of specimens which originate from outside our 
system.  I've no idea how they would be positively identified as such, 
however.

M

Chris Peterson wrote:
>
> Extrasolar meteors have probably occurred; extrasolar meteorites seem 
> unlikely.
>


-- 
Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc


From fuzzfoot at comcast.net  Sat May  3 14:32:12 2008
From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 11:32:12 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Macro/Micro Break-Off Sale
Message-ID: <20080503183217.89A1A1059C@mailwash5.pair.com>

I have a few pieces that have broken off collection pieces. No sense in
throwing them out when you can make a few bucks! Here is what I have
available:

ALHA 76009 Antarctic Meteorite .396 gr. Flat fragment 12x10x3mm GREAT
surface-to-weight ratio $39

ALHA 76009 .090 gr. Bag of fragments. Largest measures 6x3x3mm $9

NWA 1955 rarer H/L 3-4 class. .270 gr. Part slice measures 10x9x2mm $5

Cali (from stone #001) .060 gr. Bag of fragments ranging from .5 to 2mm wide
Also includes a bag of roof tile fragments. $20

Sorry, no pics available. Photographing micros can be labor intensive :)


Kind regards,
?
Mike Bandli
www.Astro-Artifacts.com
?





From fuzzfoot at comcast.net  Sat May  3 14:40:39 2008
From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 11:40:39 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Macro/Micro Break-Off Sale
In-Reply-To: <20080503183217.89A1A1059C@mailwash5.pair.com>
Message-ID: <20080503184044.A8947105AB@mailwash5.pair.com>

Everything is SOLD. Thanks!

Mike B.
?


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Bandli
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 11:32 AM
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Macro/Micro Break-Off Sale

I have a few pieces that have broken off collection pieces. No sense in
throwing them out when you can make a few bucks! Here is what I have
available:

ALHA 76009 Antarctic Meteorite .396 gr. Flat fragment 12x10x3mm GREAT
surface-to-weight ratio $39

ALHA 76009 .090 gr. Bag of fragments. Largest measures 6x3x3mm $9

NWA 1955 rarer H/L 3-4 class. .270 gr. Part slice measures 10x9x2mm $5

Cali (from stone #001) .060 gr. Bag of fragments ranging from .5 to 2mm wide
Also includes a bag of roof tile fragments. $20

Sorry, no pics available. Photographing micros can be labor intensive :)


Kind regards,
?
Mike Bandli
www.Astro-Artifacts.com
?




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From psc2410xi at yahoo.com  Sat May  3 14:45:08 2008
From: psc2410xi at yahoo.com (Don Rawlings)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 11:45:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] What the heck is going on?? Nothing!!! It's
	DEAD!!! JOKE
In-Reply-To: <cda.2ce49a48.354e031f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <537129.66984.qm@web59307.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Is this waste of bandwidth and clutter in my mail box
ever going to end?

Don

--- MeteorHntr at aol.com wrote:

> Michael,
> 
> You know what?  
> 
> I have a problem with you  having a problem with me
> having a problem with 
> Paul having a problem with others  saying there is a
> problem, because I EXPRESSLY 
> stated my last post that I had NO  problem with Paul
> having a problem with 
> others saying there is a problem.
>  
> So your problem is unfounded.  So I don't think you
> really have a  problem.
> 
> Now, tread softly on your response if your posting
> here ends up  talking Paul 
> out of giving me my free beer at your auction next
> year, then YOU  are the 
> one that is really going to have a BIG problem.
>  
> Oh, to keep this slightly meteorite related, I am
> slowly getting items up  at 
> ebay to start the discounting, but people keep
> buying things before I lower  
> the prices.  Not that I have a problem with that.  
>  
> Should I be concerned that the above paragraph might
> be a problem since  
> someone might take my reply to this last post as a
> gimmick to talk  about my Steve 
> Arnold's Famous Ebay Discount Marathon more than
> just one time in  a week?
>  
> Oh, I almost forgot, part of what I said above was a
> JOKE, an attempt to be  
> funny.  But some of it was serious.  I am not up to
> sorting out which  is 
> which.  So, if you are humourically challenged be
> careful before  responding in 
> anger!
> 
> Steve #1
> 
> 
> 
> In a message dated 5/3/2008  3:19:43 A.M. Central
> Daylight Time, 
> mlblood at cox.net  writes:
> Steve,
> I have a problem  with you having a problem with
> Paul having a problem with others having a  problem.
> Sincerely,  Michael
> 
> 
> on 5/2/08 5:30 PM, Paul Harris at paul at meteorite.com
>  wrote:
> 
> > Hey Steve!
> > 
> > You're absolutely right :-)   I owe you a beer on
> that one!
> > 
> > Paul
> > 
> >  MeteorHntr at aol.com wrote:
> >> WARNING JOKE AHEAD
> >>   
> >> Be prepared to be tempted to be offended... but
> resist the  urge!
> >>  
> >> The following is ONLY a  Joke:
> >>  
> >>  
> >> In a message dated  5/2/2008 2:28:49 P.M. Central
> Daylight Time,
> >> paul at meteorite.com  writes:
> >> 
> >>     So please stop. The  only problem is that
> people keep saying  there
> >>     is  a
> >>     problem...
> >> 
> >>   
> >> Paul,
> >>  
> >> Actually, there are 2  problems, the one you
> mentioned and:
> >> 
> >> The other problem  is that you have a problem
> with other people saying
> >> there is a  problem.
> >>  
> >> Not that I have a problem with you  having a
> problem with people saying
> >> there is a  problem.
> >>  
> >> Because if I did have a problem with you  having
> a problem with other
> >> people saying there is a problem, then  there
> would be 3 problems with it.
> >>  
> >>  ;-)   <<<<wink!
> >>  
> >> Joke.   It was  a joke.  Just a joke.  Please
> don't get mad at me  for
> >> the joke.
> >>  
> >> I warned you all in the  Subject and in the
> heading and once again here
> >> at the  end.
> >> 
> >> Steve #1
> >>  
> >>  
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>  Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new
> twists on family
> >>  favorites at AOL Food
> >> 
>
<http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001>.
> >  
> > 
> > ______________________________________________
> >  http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> >  Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > 
>
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> 
> 'Your living is  determined not so much by what life
> brings to you as by the
> attitude you  bring to life; not so much by what
> happens to you as by the way
> your mind  looks at what happens.'  --Kahlil  Gibran
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From raremeteorites at yahoo.com  Sat May  3 14:56:00 2008
From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 11:56:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Extra-solar material?
In-Reply-To: <481CAED3.7000203@meteorites.cc>
Message-ID: <724703.13794.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



Good Candidate for Extra-Solar:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220231005786


I think this guy might be off his meds again.

Take Care,

Adam




From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Sat May  3 15:09:25 2008
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 14:09:25 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] What the heck is going on?? Nothing!!!
	It'sDEAD!!! JOKE
References: <537129.66984.qm@web59307.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <09ef01c8ad51$3452ffb0$db45e146@ATARIENGINE>

Don,

Probably not.

Sterling
---------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don Rawlings" <psc2410xi at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What the heck is going on?? Nothing!!! 
It'sDEAD!!! JOKE


Is this waste of bandwidth and clutter in my mail box
ever going to end?

Don

--- MeteorHntr at aol.com wrote:

> Michael,
>
> You know what?
>
> I have a problem with you  having a problem with me
> having a problem with
> Paul having a problem with others  saying there is a
> problem, because I EXPRESSLY
> stated my last post that I had NO  problem with Paul
> having a problem with
> others saying there is a problem.
>
> So your problem is unfounded.  So I don't think you
> really have a  problem.
>
> Now, tread softly on your response if your posting
> here ends up  talking Paul
> out of giving me my free beer at your auction next
> year, then YOU  are the
> one that is really going to have a BIG problem.
>
> Oh, to keep this slightly meteorite related, I am
> slowly getting items up  at
> ebay to start the discounting, but people keep
> buying things before I lower
> the prices.  Not that I have a problem with that.
>
> Should I be concerned that the above paragraph might
> be a problem since
> someone might take my reply to this last post as a
> gimmick to talk  about my Steve
> Arnold's Famous Ebay Discount Marathon more than
> just one time in  a week?
>
> Oh, I almost forgot, part of what I said above was a
> JOKE, an attempt to be
> funny.  But some of it was serious.  I am not up to
> sorting out which  is
> which.  So, if you are humourically challenged be
> careful before  responding in
> anger!
>
> Steve #1
>
>
>
> In a message dated 5/3/2008  3:19:43 A.M. Central
> Daylight Time,
> mlblood at cox.net  writes:
> Steve,
> I have a problem  with you having a problem with
> Paul having a problem with others having a  problem.
> Sincerely,  Michael
>
>
> on 5/2/08 5:30 PM, Paul Harris at paul at meteorite.com
>  wrote:
>
> > Hey Steve!
> >
> > You're absolutely right :-)   I owe you a beer on
> that one!
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >  MeteorHntr at aol.com wrote:
> >> WARNING JOKE AHEAD
> >>
> >> Be prepared to be tempted to be offended... but
> resist the  urge!
> >>
> >> The following is ONLY a  Joke:
> >>
> >>
> >> In a message dated  5/2/2008 2:28:49 P.M. Central
> Daylight Time,
> >> paul at meteorite.com  writes:
> >>
> >>     So please stop. The  only problem is that
> people keep saying  there
> >>     is  a
> >>     problem...
> >>
> >>
> >> Paul,
> >>
> >> Actually, there are 2  problems, the one you
> mentioned and:
> >>
> >> The other problem  is that you have a problem
> with other people saying
> >> there is a  problem.
> >>
> >> Not that I have a problem with you  having a
> problem with people saying
> >> there is a  problem.
> >>
> >> Because if I did have a problem with you  having
> a problem with other
> >> people saying there is a problem, then  there
> would be 3 problems with it.
> >>
> >>  ;-)   <<<<wink!
> >>
> >> Joke.   It was  a joke.  Just a joke.  Please
> don't get mad at me  for
> >> the joke.
> >>
> >> I warned you all in the  Subject and in the
> heading and once again here
> >> at the  end.
> >>
> >> Steve #1
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>  Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new
> twists on family
> >>  favorites at AOL Food
> >>
>
<http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001>.
> >
> >
> > ______________________________________________
> >  http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> >  Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >
>
http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
> 'Your living is  determined not so much by what life
> brings to you as by the
> attitude you  bring to life; not so much by what
> happens to you as by the way
> your mind  looks at what happens.'  --Kahlil  Gibran
>
>
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________
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>
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>
>
>
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> Get new twists on family
> favorites at AOL Food.
>
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From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Sat May  3 15:14:42 2008
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 14:14:42 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Extra-solar material?
References: <000e01c8ad2e$9da27630$2002a8c0@lunatic>
	<003101c8ad37$6d19e800$0a01a8c0@bellatrix>
Message-ID: <09f201c8ad51$f18105a0$db45e146@ATARIENGINE>

Hi All,

    The AMOR radars that are used to detect
meteoroids at altitude all find a few percent of
them have velocities too high to have originated
in our solar system's gravitational family. The
fast particles have a preferred origin, from which
more than a quarter of them originate, a patch of
sky centered around the nearby young star Beta
Pictoris, known to have a large dusty disk that
may be proto-planetary.

    Of course, for any number of small particles,
there is a smaller number of the next largest size,
and so on, ad infinitum, the numbers related by
a power law. So, there are some chucks big
enough to interest those who want meteorites
bigger than dust! But they're rarer.

    However, this implies that most of those chunks
would more likely be YOUNGER than our solar
system, as it is the younger (and dustier) forming
star systems that produce them. A universe full of
OLD chunks would be a universe that made billions
of stars and solar systems, but stopping doing it
once it had produced the perfect place (with the
perfect beings) that is the center of the universe,
namely US! While that is the usual human view,
it does not seem that's the way the universe works.

    While there certainly are still old chunks drifting
around the universe, our Sun is located in a star
forming region of our galaxy, surrounded by many
stars younger than it is because we're in a nursery!
The process of star formation, planetary formation,
and early bombardment produce far more chunks
than the older settled life of a star, so at any time,
the majority of the dust and chunks reaching us are
from younger systems.

    In regions where stars are more crowded together,
like star clusters, particularly young ones, solar systems
probably exchange chunks between each other with
great frequency. At least, the study reported here says so:
http://www.universetoday.com/2005/05/04/did-life-arrive-before-the-solar-system-even-formed/

    Additionally, such clusters would continue to produce
impact products throughout their lifetime at a rate much
greater than, say, a solar system like ours, even an older
cluster (some are almost as old as the universe) could
be distributing material widely, some of it big enough to
transport life (if that's what you're interested in). If there's
no life in your neighborhood, just wait a few billion years;
it will show up.


Sterling
---------------------------------------------------------------------
If you're interested in the AMOR radars and the radiants
of extra-solar material, just Google "AMOR radar." You'll
get a lot of references, none of them available without
subscription or fee... as usual. All part of the successful
cultural program to promote ignorance.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Peterson" <clp at alumni.caltech.edu>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Extra-solar material?


I recall an analysis that predicted the rate we might encounter
extrasolar material, and it was high enough to suggest that the Earth
has actually crossed paths with such stuff. But statistically, the
velocity of extrasolar material is likely to be very high- well above
the solar escape velocity- and we know both empirically and
theoretically that this doesn't bode well for meteorite production.

Extrasolar meteors have probably occurred; extrasolar meteorites seem
unlikely.

Chris

*****************************************
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Norbert Classen" <riffraff at timewarp.de>
To: "'Mark Crawford'" <mark at meteorites.cc>;
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Extra-solar material?


Hi Mark,

The nano diamonds in Allende CAI's are considered to be samples of
extra-solar origin; at least they show isotopic values that don't match
with
any of the other values measured for materials of our solar system
(including meteorites).

I believe there were studies of other (Antarctic) carbonaceous
chondrites
which also were shown to be from other systems, but right now I don't
remember the exact publication. Should have been in MAPS, but I would
have
to look this up, first. Bernd: do you have an idea where I might have
read
about it?

But as far as I know no meteorite as such has been considered as
"extra-solar", so far - these are always inclusions, and most of them
are
microscopically small.

All the best,
Norbert

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From mlblood at cox.net  Sat May  3 15:23:29 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 12:23:29 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] What the heck is going on?? Nothing!!! It's
 DEAD!!! JOKE
In-Reply-To: <537129.66984.qm@web59307.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C44209C1.165FE%mlblood@cox.net>

NO!
        And if you keep complaining, we are all going to
Come over to your house, tie you up and tickle you!
        Michael 

on 5/3/08 11:45 AM, Don Rawlings at psc2410xi at yahoo.com wrote:

> Is this waste of bandwidth and clutter in my mail box
> ever going to end?
> 
> Don
> 
> --- MeteorHntr at aol.com wrote:
> 
>> Michael,
>> 
>> You know what?  
>> 
>> I have a problem with you  having a problem with me
>> having a problem with
>> Paul having a problem with others  saying there is a
>> problem, because I EXPRESSLY
>> stated my last post that I had NO  problem with Paul
>> having a problem with
>> others saying there is a problem.
>>  
>> So your problem is unfounded.  So I don't think you
>> really have a  problem.
>> 
>> Now, tread softly on your response if your posting
>> here ends up  talking Paul
>> out of giving me my free beer at your auction next
>> year, then YOU  are the
>> one that is really going to have a BIG problem.
>>  
>> Oh, to keep this slightly meteorite related, I am
>> slowly getting items up  at
>> ebay to start the discounting, but people keep
>> buying things before I lower
>> the prices.  Not that I have a problem with that.
>>  
>> Should I be concerned that the above paragraph might
>> be a problem since
>> someone might take my reply to this last post as a
>> gimmick to talk  about my Steve
>> Arnold's Famous Ebay Discount Marathon more than
>> just one time in  a week?
>>  
>> Oh, I almost forgot, part of what I said above was a
>> JOKE, an attempt to be
>> funny.  But some of it was serious.  I am not up to
>> sorting out which  is
>> which.  So, if you are humourically challenged be
>> careful before  responding in
>> anger!
>> 
>> Steve #1
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> In a message dated 5/3/2008  3:19:43 A.M. Central
>> Daylight Time, 
>> mlblood at cox.net  writes:
>> Steve,
>> I have a problem  with you having a problem with
>> Paul having a problem with others having a  problem.
>> Sincerely,  Michael
>> 
>> 
>> on 5/2/08 5:30 PM, Paul Harris at paul at meteorite.com
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey Steve!
>>> 
>>> You're absolutely right :-)   I owe you a beer on
>> that one!
>>> 
>>> Paul
>>> 
>>>  MeteorHntr at aol.com wrote:
>>>> WARNING JOKE AHEAD
>>>>   
>>>> Be prepared to be tempted to be offended... but
>> resist the  urge!
>>>>  
>>>> The following is ONLY a  Joke:
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> In a message dated  5/2/2008 2:28:49 P.M. Central
>> Daylight Time,
>>>> paul at meteorite.com  writes:
>>>> 
>>>>     So please stop. The  only problem is that
>> people keep saying  there
>>>>     is  a
>>>>     problem...
>>>> 
>>>>   
>>>> Paul,
>>>>  
>>>> Actually, there are 2  problems, the one you
>> mentioned and:
>>>> 
>>>> The other problem  is that you have a problem
>> with other people saying
>>>> there is a  problem.
>>>>  
>>>> Not that I have a problem with you  having a
>> problem with people saying
>>>> there is a  problem.
>>>>  
>>>> Because if I did have a problem with you  having
>> a problem with other
>>>> people saying there is a problem, then  there
>> would be 3 problems with it.
>>>>  
>>>>  ;-)   <<<<wink!
>>>>  
>>>> Joke.   It was  a joke.  Just a joke.  Please
>> don't get mad at me  for
>>>> the joke.
>>>>  
>>>> I warned you all in the  Subject and in the
>> heading and once again here
>>>> at the  end.
>>>> 
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From MeteorHntr at aol.com  Sat May  3 15:47:54 2008
From: MeteorHntr at aol.com (MeteorHntr at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 15:47:54 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Greensburg Kansas Anniversary
Message-ID: <c04.360af311.354e1b6a@aol.com>

Hello Dave and All,

Thanks for the  post.  As many of you know, my house in Greensburg was 
destroyed by the  tornado one year ago tomorrow.  Well, technically, it wasn't 
totally  destroyed then, but by the time the city came along and bulldozed it 
without my  permission it was then totally destroyed.   But it is now usually  
easier to just say "my house was destroyed by the tornado."

I have been  told that the Kansas media had decided to censor themselves and 
they agreed not  to write anything negative about the rebuilding of Greensburg 
as their way to  help the town have the best shot at getting back on its 
feet.  So, most  everything I have read has been quite positive.

The town does have some  major challenges.  It all goes back to that pesky 
"Supply and Demand"  equation.  It is translated here to the challenge of: The 
city needs people  living there for businesses to be able to come back, but the 
city needs  businesses there for people to want to move back. 

A bit of a Catch  22.

Greensburg is the county seat of Kiowa county, so part of it had to  be 
rebuilt, even if no one wanted to live there.  But it does seem there  are some 
people that do want to live there.  

One year ago today,  there were a LOT of homes in Greensburg with For Sale 
Signs in their front  yards.  Some of those homes had been on the market for a 
long time, as  buyers were not plentiful.  So it was no surprise when so many 
people met  with their insurance adjustors, standing in their yard with a big 
fat check in  their hands, they decided to take their checks and move elsewhere 
with their  money.  Many of these people were older, and the choice to live 
in a town  or city with better medical facilities was a decision most of these 
people faced  regularly with or without EF-5 help.

As a farm community two hours  outside of Wichita, and an hour east of Dodge 
City, it is too far for most  business and industry to want to consider 
building there.

I think I read  that there was 1,000 homes there before the tornado and there 
have been around  136 new building permits issued this year.  Most people 
still staying in  town are living in "FEMAville" the huge mobile home park set up 
with FEMA  supplied white mobile homes.  I am not sure how long people can 
stay in  them.  For many, they can't afford to rebuild, but they have no where 
else  to go.

Without a job, it is hard for some to want to rebuild.  But  there are some 
people that don't want to leave either.  

I did hear  from a local friend that it was determined that it cost 20% MORE 
to rebuild in  Greensburg than it did anywhere else in Kansas.  The primary 
reason was  that the construction workers have to commute often from and back to 
Dodge City  every day to stay in their hotels.  Top that with the need for 
construction  workers to return to their homes (wherever that might be) on the 
weekends.   Without a construction workforce living in the town, like all other 
towns have,  it is just more expensive to build.  

Then, real estate prices have  a trend to go DOWN in value in western Kansas 
anyway. 

I'm not sure, but  I think about the cheapest home that could be built would 
be around $125,000,  with most probably being between $150,000 and $250,000.  
Well, how many  Minimum wage workers can pay a mortgage or rent on that nice 
of a  home?   With no low cost options, much of the work force is prices out  
of living there.

I don't mean to sound to negative.  The attempt  here is to be maybe a bit 
more "realistic."  

I think there was a  strong desire for people to want to make the town "the 
way it was before."   But the reality is, if even half of the old residents 
returned, and the full  population grew back with new residents and 99% of the 
buildings in town are  rebuilt, there is NO WAY they can even start to get it 
"the way it was  before."  

And everyone there realizes that.  And no one is  really trying to make it 
the way it was before.

Greensburg, with the  people who are choosing to rebuild is an ongoing story 
of courage and struggle.  

Many people have chosen to fight their personal battles of courage and  
struggle in other places, and to not come back. Some older people moved strait  
into rest homes in other nearby and not so nearby towns.  Most kids  graduating 
from Greensburg High School go off to college, and few would return  home even 
back when they had a home to return to.  As a kid who grew up in  Kansas, I 
know first hand how most kids can't wait to "get the hell out of  Dodge" and to 
go experience the excitement that the real world has to  offer.  

Maybe community pride is stronger now in Greensburg, and I  think many of the 
kids leaving will seriously consider moving back.  But if  I had to bet, even 
after serious consideration, most won't.  There is a big  world out there, a 
world with fast food restaurants, and shopping malls, and  jobs, and other 
people.  All things, that in comparison, Greensburg in the  best case outcome 
will still be severely lacking.

Other challenges:   With maybe 80% or so of the tax base gone, that puts all 
the tax burden on the  few people staying.  With so many people gone, there is 
a smaller pool of  leaders to be elected from to oversee the rebuilding.  
With gas prices as  they are, there are fewer and fewer travelers driving 
through.  With  advancements in technology, it takes fewer and fewer people to farm 
the fields  surrounding the city, so fewer people are needed there.   

Communities are NOT entirely the buildings set inside the city limits  signs. 
 I remember that after I grew up and moved out of my home town of  Fort 
Scott, Kansas, the first few years I would return on some weekends, and go  to 
football games and see kids that I knew that were younger than me.  And  I would 
see people in the community that were older that I knew.   

Then over the years I mostly only came home to see my father, and most  all 
of my friends had moved on.  Then by the time he moved from the town 15  years 
later, there were few reasons to pull me back.  Yes, MUCH of the town  still 
looks the same today.  But for me it is a different community than  when I was 
there.  

But I can drive around today and see things that  still anchor old memories 
of growing up in the small town of 8,000.   Thoughts of how it might not have 
been all that bad to move back and raise a  family here after all.  Such 
revelations often take a 25 year Reunion to  realize.

While the town looks the same, although strangely, it seems  smaller, few of 
the people I knew before are still there today.  In  October, I brought the 
Brenham Main Mass to the High School and the Junior High  where I attended.  It 
was fun, but I only recognized 4 or 5 teachers (and a  couple of which I 
recognized because they were students when I was a  student).  Of course, many of 
the kids I saw were probably kids of people I  went to school with.   And if I 
had stayed there all along, then new  relationships would have formed as they 
would have replace old ones that faded  away over time.

And yet, all this happened in a town that didn't get ALL  the buildings blown 
away, where ALL the residents were temporarily displaced and  where maybe 75% 
will decide not to come back ever.

I can't image how  different Greensburg is going to be.  Yes, they will get 
some buildings  back up.  They will get some people back.  They will get some 
new  people to move in...maybe.   But there is no way it will be ANYTHING  like 
it used to be. 

When people return, there isn't the old theater  where they got their first 
kiss.  There isn't the old high school  basketball court where they shot the 
game winning shot their senior year.   There isn't the restaurant where their 
Grandpa used to take them for hamburgers  when they were little.  There isn't 
the neighbor lady that used to spend so  much time working on her rose bushes in 
front of her 1910's farm house that was  hauled into town from a farm 50 
years ago.  There isn't the swing set in  the park that would pinch you if you 
weren't careful, or the slippery slide that  would burn you if you went down it 
with shorts on.  There isn't the antique  store where you could spend hours 
shopping in that used to be the old Methodist  Church.  I could go on and on.  

And while the "community"  really is the people, the physical buildings and 
landmarks and such are some of  the anchors in one's memory as to the way it 
used to be.

So there has  been a purging.  Greensburg is for all intents and purposes a 
new  town.  The people rebuilding have to have a new and optimistic outlook on  
life.  The pessimists will find it easier to move on elsewhere.    

Humans tend to like to hold on to the familiar, to hold onto the  past.  
Well, there's not that much left to hold onto with Greensburg, so  they get the 
challenges to rebuilding from scratch.  

People in  Greensburg have asked if am rebuilding my house in Greensburg, and 
I chuckle and  say "no" as most of my work in the area is done.   The appeal 
of  building a $150,000 house I won't live in much, only to sell it later for  
$125,000 as real estate continues to depress in value is not my idea of  fun. 
 Now if I didn't have another home elsewhere, and since my income is  not 
derived from local business, I might have considered it.

I was  blessed in that I only lost a house, but not my home.  Some of my 
neighbors  lost their homes and even more.  

I am so happy for many of them  that are happy in moving on.  I am happy for 
those that are enjoying the  challenge of staying and rebuilding. 

I am happy that I got to experience  things such watching the movie CARS in 
the old theater in downtown Greensburg a  couple of years ago, and walking the 
streets home several blocks that night  comparing the demise of the fictional 
town in that movie on the old highway to  Greensburg and wondering if anything 
would ever be able to reroute people back  to that dwindling town on the 
prairie.  

I am glad I got to meet  some of my neighbors there, and got to form some 
friendships that will last a  lifetime.

I am not sure if that answers your question Dave?    If you want more 
cheerful stories, I invite you to go to the websites of the  Hutchinson and Wichita 
papers.  I am sure there are many great stories to  be told there.  

Honestly, I think it is going to take the 10 year  anniversary before we have 
a good idea of how this is going to all shake  out.

Steve Arnold  #1
Arkansas









In a message dated  5/3/2008 12:39:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
david.carothers at verizon.net  writes:
Ladies and Gentlemen,

Lest we forget that one year ago, a  tornado ripped through Greensburg, 
Kansas, destroying most of it.  Many  of the members of this list contributed 
and worked the effort to donate to  the reconstruction of the town.

For those who might be interested, the  Discovery Channel is hosting a 60 
minute program on May 03, at 8:00 pm  titled "Blown Away: Greensburg, 
Kansas".   The program will be  shown again on May 04, at 12:00 am.

Steve Arnold #1 or Geoff  Notkin...  I'm interesteed in how Greensburg has 
progressed these past  12 months.  Would you or anyone else on the list be 
able to provide and  update?

Regards,

Dave  




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From entropydave at ntlworld.com  Sat May  3 16:40:21 2008
From: entropydave at ntlworld.com (Dave Harris)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 21:40:21 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Petrological microscope
Message-ID: <001d01c8ad5d$e8fe1ab0$020aa8c0@pitstoppc>

well!  I have been loaned a fantastic Swift petrological microscope and 
about 100 terrestrial t/s (but only one meteorites NWA 869)!
It is one heckkuva piece and I foresee a huge learning curve.... any good 
and informative "101s" out there in web world I can go to?


ta


dave
IMCA #0092
Sec.BIMS.
www.bimsociety.org


From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Sat May  3 17:21:19 2008
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 22:21:19 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite survival
In-Reply-To: <EA72215F95874B0FA8DD65E6FB4CABBD@JeffPC>
References: <290030.62165.qm@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com><481BAFDF.1050904@ntlworld.com>	<481C081E.2010205@acc.umu.se>
	<EA72215F95874B0FA8DD65E6FB4CABBD@JeffPC>
Message-ID: <481CD74F.4010600@ntlworld.com>

Hi Jeff/All,

Thanks to those who replied to my question about survival of Chondrites 
in wet climates. The Pultusk, found in 2006 after more than a century in 
a wet climate, is an excellent example Jeff.
Great pieces Marcin.

I suppose that means that larger pieces of Barwell may still be around 
in reasonable condition....although Barwell is probably more fragile and 
an L chondrite rather than an H....or perhaps that means there is less 
in the matrix to rust and weather the meteorite away. We know more about 
what to look out for now.

Graham Ensor



Jeff Kuyken wrote:

> Hi Graham, G?ran & all,
>
> I believe Pultusk would be another good example. Here's an example that
> Marcin has:
>
> http://www.polandmet.com/_pultusk.htm
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "G?ran Axelsson" <axelsson at acc.umu.se>
> To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 4:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite survival
>
>
> I changed the subject as this topic took a different path from the
> original posting.
>
> There are strong evidence that the Ultuna meteorite found in 1944 is
> paired with the 1869 Hessle fall. Classified as H chondrites. I don't
> know the weathering grade of Ultuna.
> I had the happy coincidence to handle a large (about 600g) individual
> this winter.
>
> Ref : NYSTR?M, J.O. AND WICKMAN, F.E.,1994: The Ultuna and Hessle
> meteorites, Sweden: paired falls? GFF 116, pp. 231-233.
>
> /G?ran
>
> ensoramanda wrote:
>
>>
>> Great pieces Mike....looks like this last month has been a good one.
>>
>> Hoping to get to Ensisheim or Saint Marie again this year...but not sure
>> yet.
>>
>> And now a question Mike...or anyone else out there.  Are there any 
>> records
>> of  chondrite falls that were found many years after the actual fall (40
>> or more years) in climates which are wet or similar the Britain.
>>
>> I am still trying to asses what sort of state a meteorite such as 
>> Barwell
>> may be in after weathering the elements for that long as we are still on
>> the track/hunt for one large piece observed to fall by a farmer well
>> outside of the normal strewnfield but never recovered. Are there 
>> instances
>> of such finds, and if not, is it because they have weathered a way
>> completely?
>>
>> Any thoughts anyone?
>>
>> Graham Ensor
>>
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From waltbranch at bellsouth.net  Sat May  3 17:31:40 2008
From: waltbranch at bellsouth.net (Walter Branch)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 17:31:40 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Searching for meteorites in Antartica
Message-ID: <006a01c8ad65$138fea40$6101a8c0@BranchFamily>

Hello Everyone,

A meteorite collector on another forum discovered this.  He is not a member 
of this list so credit goes to him.

Here is a video of Dr. Monika Kress discussing searching for meteorites in 
Antarctica as part of ANSMET.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHcCLWZuJbc

BTW, in case you want to save the video to your hard drive and don't know 
how, it is an .flv file, a common internet video format.  After the video 
plays, in Windows XP go to tools/internet 
connections/browserhistory-setting/view files.  Sort by size and near the 
top you will find a large 64 k file.  Sometimes the names are clear and 
sometimes not.  Copy and past this file where you want it.  You may need to 
rename the extension to .flv.

The flv player can be downloaded from many places, one of which is here:

http://www.download.com/FLV-Player/3000-2139_4-10467081.html


Take care

-Walter Branch

________________________ 


From david.carothers at verizon.net  Sat May  3 18:05:11 2008
From: david.carothers at verizon.net (Dave Carothers)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 18:05:11 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Greensburg Kansas Anniversary
References: <c04.360af311.354e1b6a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <026f01c8ad69$c3da63e0$6401a8c0@WINBOOKJ>

Steve,

Thank you very much for taking the time to provide such a deeply personal, 
heart-felt, and insightful reply.  I went through a wide range of emotions 
while reading your post.  On one extreme, feeling happy and proud for the 
people staying to rebuild Greensburg and on the other end of the spectrum, 
sad at the historical and cultural losses incurred by the populace.  Your 
post is a great testamonial to the town and people of Greensburg.

I for one will continue to keep the town and inhabitants of Greensburg in my 
prayers.

Regards,

Dave


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <MeteorHntr at aol.com>
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Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Greensburg Kansas Anniversary


> Hello Dave and All,
>
> Thanks for the  post.  As many of you know, my house in Greensburg was
> destroyed by the  tornado one year ago tomorrow.  Well, technically, it 
> wasn't
> totally  destroyed then, but by the time the city came along and bulldozed 
> it
> without my  permission it was then totally destroyed.   But it is now 
> usually
> easier to just say "my house was destroyed by the tornado."
>
> I have been  told that the Kansas media had decided to censor themselves 
> and
> they agreed not  to write anything negative about the rebuilding of 
> Greensburg
> as their way to  help the town have the best shot at getting back on its
> feet.  So, most  everything I have read has been quite positive.
>
> The town does have some  major challenges.  It all goes back to that pesky
> "Supply and Demand"  equation.  It is translated here to the challenge of: 
> The
> city needs people  living there for businesses to be able to come back, 
> but the
> city needs  businesses there for people to want to move back.
>
> A bit of a Catch  22.
>
> Greensburg is the county seat of Kiowa county, so part of it had to  be
> rebuilt, even if no one wanted to live there.  But it does seem there  are 
> some
> people that do want to live there.
>
> One year ago today,  there were a LOT of homes in Greensburg with For Sale
> Signs in their front  yards.  Some of those homes had been on the market 
> for a
> long time, as  buyers were not plentiful.  So it was no surprise when so 
> many
> people met  with their insurance adjustors, standing in their yard with a 
> big
> fat check in  their hands, they decided to take their checks and move 
> elsewhere
> with their  money.  Many of these people were older, and the choice to 
> live
> in a town  or city with better medical facilities was a decision most of 
> these
> people faced  regularly with or without EF-5 help.
>
> As a farm community two hours  outside of Wichita, and an hour east of 
> Dodge
> City, it is too far for most  business and industry to want to consider
> building there.
>
> I think I read  that there was 1,000 homes there before the tornado and 
> there
> have been around  136 new building permits issued this year.  Most people
> still staying in  town are living in "FEMAville" the huge mobile home park 
> set up
> with FEMA  supplied white mobile homes.  I am not sure how long people can
> stay in  them.  For many, they can't afford to rebuild, but they have no 
> where
> else  to go.
>
> Without a job, it is hard for some to want to rebuild.  But  there are 
> some
> people that don't want to leave either.
>
> I did hear  from a local friend that it was determined that it cost 20% 
> MORE
> to rebuild in  Greensburg than it did anywhere else in Kansas.  The 
> primary
> reason was  that the construction workers have to commute often from and 
> back to
> Dodge City  every day to stay in their hotels.  Top that with the need for
> construction  workers to return to their homes (wherever that might be) on 
> the
> weekends.   Without a construction workforce living in the town, like all 
> other
> towns have,  it is just more expensive to build.
>
> Then, real estate prices have  a trend to go DOWN in value in western 
> Kansas
> anyway.
>
> I'm not sure, but  I think about the cheapest home that could be built 
> would
> be around $125,000,  with most probably being between $150,000 and 
> $250,000.
> Well, how many  Minimum wage workers can pay a mortgage or rent on that 
> nice
> of a  home?   With no low cost options, much of the work force is prices 
> out
> of living there.
>
> I don't mean to sound to negative.  The attempt  here is to be maybe a bit
> more "realistic."
>
> I think there was a  strong desire for people to want to make the town 
> "the
> way it was before."   But the reality is, if even half of the old 
> residents
> returned, and the full  population grew back with new residents and 99% of 
> the
> buildings in town are  rebuilt, there is NO WAY they can even start to get 
> it
> "the way it was  before."
>
> And everyone there realizes that.  And no one is  really trying to make it
> the way it was before.
>
> Greensburg, with the  people who are choosing to rebuild is an ongoing 
> story
> of courage and struggle.
>
> Many people have chosen to fight their personal battles of courage and
> struggle in other places, and to not come back. Some older people moved 
> strait
> into rest homes in other nearby and not so nearby towns.  Most kids 
> graduating
> from Greensburg High School go off to college, and few would return  home 
> even
> back when they had a home to return to.  As a kid who grew up in  Kansas, 
> I
> know first hand how most kids can't wait to "get the hell out of  Dodge" 
> and to
> go experience the excitement that the real world has to  offer.
>
> Maybe community pride is stronger now in Greensburg, and I  think many of 
> the
> kids leaving will seriously consider moving back.  But if  I had to bet, 
> even
> after serious consideration, most won't.  There is a big  world out there, 
> a
> world with fast food restaurants, and shopping malls, and  jobs, and other
> people.  All things, that in comparison, Greensburg in the  best case 
> outcome
> will still be severely lacking.
>
> Other challenges:   With maybe 80% or so of the tax base gone, that puts 
> all
> the tax burden on the  few people staying.  With so many people gone, 
> there is
> a smaller pool of  leaders to be elected from to oversee the rebuilding.
> With gas prices as  they are, there are fewer and fewer travelers driving
> through.  With  advancements in technology, it takes fewer and fewer 
> people to farm
> the fields  surrounding the city, so fewer people are needed there.
>
> Communities are NOT entirely the buildings set inside the city limits 
> signs.
> I remember that after I grew up and moved out of my home town of  Fort
> Scott, Kansas, the first few years I would return on some weekends, and go 
> to
> football games and see kids that I knew that were younger than me.  And  I 
> would
> see people in the community that were older that I knew.
>
> Then over the years I mostly only came home to see my father, and most 
> all
> of my friends had moved on.  Then by the time he moved from the town 15 
> years
> later, there were few reasons to pull me back.  Yes, MUCH of the town 
> still
> looks the same today.  But for me it is a different community than  when I 
> was
> there.
>
> But I can drive around today and see things that  still anchor old 
> memories
> of growing up in the small town of 8,000.   Thoughts of how it might not 
> have
> been all that bad to move back and raise a  family here after all.  Such
> revelations often take a 25 year Reunion to  realize.
>
> While the town looks the same, although strangely, it seems  smaller, few 
> of
> the people I knew before are still there today.  In  October, I brought 
> the
> Brenham Main Mass to the High School and the Junior High  where I 
> attended.  It
> was fun, but I only recognized 4 or 5 teachers (and a  couple of which I
> recognized because they were students when I was a  student).  Of course, 
> many of
> the kids I saw were probably kids of people I  went to school with.   And 
> if I
> had stayed there all along, then new  relationships would have formed as 
> they
> would have replace old ones that faded  away over time.
>
> And yet, all this happened in a town that didn't get ALL  the buildings 
> blown
> away, where ALL the residents were temporarily displaced and  where maybe 
> 75%
> will decide not to come back ever.
>
> I can't image how  different Greensburg is going to be.  Yes, they will 
> get
> some buildings  back up.  They will get some people back.  They will get 
> some
> new  people to move in...maybe.   But there is no way it will be ANYTHING 
> like
> it used to be.
>
> When people return, there isn't the old theater  where they got their 
> first
> kiss.  There isn't the old high school  basketball court where they shot 
> the
> game winning shot their senior year.   There isn't the restaurant where 
> their
> Grandpa used to take them for hamburgers  when they were little.  There 
> isn't
> the neighbor lady that used to spend so  much time working on her rose 
> bushes in
> front of her 1910's farm house that was  hauled into town from a farm 50
> years ago.  There isn't the swing set in  the park that would pinch you if 
> you
> weren't careful, or the slippery slide that  would burn you if you went 
> down it
> with shorts on.  There isn't the antique  store where you could spend 
> hours
> shopping in that used to be the old Methodist  Church.  I could go on and 
> on.
>
> And while the "community"  really is the people, the physical buildings 
> and
> landmarks and such are some of  the anchors in one's memory as to the way 
> it
> used to be.
>
> So there has  been a purging.  Greensburg is for all intents and purposes 
> a
> new  town.  The people rebuilding have to have a new and optimistic 
> outlook on
> life.  The pessimists will find it easier to move on elsewhere.
>
> Humans tend to like to hold on to the familiar, to hold onto the  past.
> Well, there's not that much left to hold onto with Greensburg, so  they 
> get the
> challenges to rebuilding from scratch.
>
> People in  Greensburg have asked if am rebuilding my house in Greensburg, 
> and
> I chuckle and  say "no" as most of my work in the area is done.   The 
> appeal
> of  building a $150,000 house I won't live in much, only to sell it later 
> for
> $125,000 as real estate continues to depress in value is not my idea of 
> fun.
> Now if I didn't have another home elsewhere, and since my income is  not
> derived from local business, I might have considered it.
>
> I was  blessed in that I only lost a house, but not my home.  Some of my
> neighbors  lost their homes and even more.
>
> I am so happy for many of them  that are happy in moving on.  I am happy 
> for
> those that are enjoying the  challenge of staying and rebuilding.
>
> I am happy that I got to experience  things such watching the movie CARS 
> in
> the old theater in downtown Greensburg a  couple of years ago, and walking 
> the
> streets home several blocks that night  comparing the demise of the 
> fictional
> town in that movie on the old highway to  Greensburg and wondering if 
> anything
> would ever be able to reroute people back  to that dwindling town on the
> prairie.
>
> I am glad I got to meet  some of my neighbors there, and got to form some
> friendships that will last a  lifetime.
>
> I am not sure if that answers your question Dave?    If you want more
> cheerful stories, I invite you to go to the websites of the  Hutchinson 
> and Wichita
> papers.  I am sure there are many great stories to  be told there.
>
> Honestly, I think it is going to take the 10 year  anniversary before we 
> have
> a good idea of how this is going to all shake  out.
>
> Steve Arnold  #1
> Arkansas
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated  5/3/2008 12:39:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> david.carothers at verizon.net  writes:
> Ladies and Gentlemen,
>
> Lest we forget that one year ago, a  tornado ripped through Greensburg,
> Kansas, destroying most of it.  Many  of the members of this list 
> contributed
> and worked the effort to donate to  the reconstruction of the town.
>
> For those who might be interested, the  Discovery Channel is hosting a 60
> minute program on May 03, at 8:00 pm  titled "Blown Away: Greensburg,
> Kansas".   The program will be  shown again on May 04, at 12:00 am.
>
> Steve Arnold #1 or Geoff  Notkin...  I'm interesteed in how Greensburg has
> progressed these past  12 months.  Would you or anyone else on the list be
> able to provide and  update?
>
> Regards,
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on 
> family
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From marcin at polandmet.com  Sat May  3 18:23:33 2008
From: marcin at polandmet.com (PolandMET)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 00:23:33 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ebay auctions ending tomorrow AD
References: <c04.360af311.354e1b6a@aol.com>
	<026f01c8ad69$c3da63e0$6401a8c0@WINBOOKJ>
Message-ID: <000601c8ad6c$5291f6f0$0d00000a@polandmezrd5i9>

Hello List
I have several new ebay autions ending tomorrow and some that just started,

LL3.1, beautifull unclassified CV3, oriented NWA chondrite, Pultusk samples, 
Pultusk medal and more.
All start from 1 cent/1 euro

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From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Sat May  3 18:33:31 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 15:33:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Greensburg Kansas
Message-ID: <549508.86183.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Think about this one, 
One days money pissed away in Iraq would rebuild every
building/home/landscaping/ everything else imaginable
in Greensburg Kansas.
One day, hell, likely a few hours of that money, spent
every minute of every day for the last 5 years. 
Makes you sick doesnt it? And if it doesnt, you need a
brain transplant. All of Europe and the Pacific was
liberated in less time for less money.
Someone is getting very rich, and it ain't the Iraqi
people.
Michael Farmer

From psc2410xi at yahoo.com  Sat May  3 18:40:30 2008
From: psc2410xi at yahoo.com (Don Rawlings)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 15:40:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] What the heck is going on?? Nothing!!! It's
	DEAD!!! JOKE
In-Reply-To: <C44209C1.165FE%mlblood@cox.net>
Message-ID: <203722.78389.qm@web59311.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Want a real joke?  Watch the self promotion on cash
and treasures.  

Or wear tye-dyed every day of your life.

Don

--- Michael L Blood <mlblood at cox.net> wrote:

> NO!
>         And if you keep complaining, we are all
> going to
> Come over to your house, tie you up and tickle you!
>         Michael 
> 
> on 5/3/08 11:45 AM, Don Rawlings at
> psc2410xi at yahoo.com wrote:
> 
> > Is this waste of bandwidth and clutter in my mail
> box
> > ever going to end?
> > 
> > Don
> > 
> > --- MeteorHntr at aol.com wrote:
> > 
> >> Michael,
> >> 
> >> You know what?  
> >> 
> >> I have a problem with you  having a problem with
> me
> >> having a problem with
> >> Paul having a problem with others  saying there
> is a
> >> problem, because I EXPRESSLY
> >> stated my last post that I had NO  problem with
> Paul
> >> having a problem with
> >> others saying there is a problem.
> >>  
> >> So your problem is unfounded.  So I don't think
> you
> >> really have a  problem.
> >> 
> >> Now, tread softly on your response if your
> posting
> >> here ends up  talking Paul
> >> out of giving me my free beer at your auction
> next
> >> year, then YOU  are the
> >> one that is really going to have a BIG problem.
> >>  
> >> Oh, to keep this slightly meteorite related, I am
> >> slowly getting items up  at
> >> ebay to start the discounting, but people keep
> >> buying things before I lower
> >> the prices.  Not that I have a problem with that.
> >>  
> >> Should I be concerned that the above paragraph
> might
> >> be a problem since
> >> someone might take my reply to this last post as
> a
> >> gimmick to talk  about my Steve
> >> Arnold's Famous Ebay Discount Marathon more than
> >> just one time in  a week?
> >>  
> >> Oh, I almost forgot, part of what I said above
> was a
> >> JOKE, an attempt to be
> >> funny.  But some of it was serious.  I am not up
> to
> >> sorting out which  is
> >> which.  So, if you are humourically challenged be
> >> careful before  responding in
> >> anger!
> >> 
> >> Steve #1
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> In a message dated 5/3/2008  3:19:43 A.M. Central
> >> Daylight Time, 
> >> mlblood at cox.net  writes:
> >> Steve,
> >> I have a problem  with you having a problem with
> >> Paul having a problem with others having a 
> problem.
> >> Sincerely,  Michael
> >> 
> >> 
> >> on 5/2/08 5:30 PM, Paul Harris at
> paul at meteorite.com
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Hey Steve!
> >>> 
> >>> You're absolutely right :-)   I owe you a beer
> on
> >> that one!
> >>> 
> >>> Paul
> >>> 
> >>>  MeteorHntr at aol.com wrote:
> >>>> WARNING JOKE AHEAD
> >>>>   
> >>>> Be prepared to be tempted to be offended... but
> >> resist the  urge!
> >>>>  
> >>>> The following is ONLY a  Joke:
> >>>>  
> >>>>  
> >>>> In a message dated  5/2/2008 2:28:49 P.M.
> Central
> >> Daylight Time,
> >>>> paul at meteorite.com  writes:
> >>>> 
> >>>>     So please stop. The  only problem is that
> >> people keep saying  there
> >>>>     is  a
> >>>>     problem...
> >>>> 
> >>>>   
> >>>> Paul,
> >>>>  
> >>>> Actually, there are 2  problems, the one you
> >> mentioned and:
> >>>> 
> >>>> The other problem  is that you have a problem
> >> with other people saying
> >>>> there is a  problem.
> >>>>  
> >>>> Not that I have a problem with you  having a
> >> problem with people saying
> >>>> there is a  problem.
> >>>>  
> >>>> Because if I did have a problem with you 
> having
> >> a problem with other
> >>>> people saying there is a problem, then  there
> >> would be 3 problems with it.
> >>>>  
> >>>>  ;-)   <<<<wink!
> >>>>  
> >>>> Joke.   It was  a joke.  Just a joke.  Please
> >> don't get mad at me  for
> >>>> the joke.
> >>>>  
> >>>> I warned you all in the  Subject and in the
> >> heading and once again here
> >>>> at the  end.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Steve #1
> >>>>  
> >>>>  
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >> 
> >
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>  Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new
> >> twists on family
> >>>>  favorites at AOL Food
> >>>> 
> >> 
> >
>
<http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001>.
> >>>  
> >>> 
> >>> ______________________________________________
> >>>  http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> >>> Meteorite-list mailing list
> >>>  Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >>> 
> >> 
> >
>
http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >> 
> >> 'Your living is  determined not so much by what
> life
> >> brings to you as by the
> >> attitude you  bring to life; not so much by what
> >> happens to you as by the way
> >> your mind  looks at what happens.'  --Kahlil 
> Gibran
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> ______________________________________________
> >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> >> Meteorite-list  mailing  list
> >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >> 
> >
>
http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >>  
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> **************Wondering what's for Dinner
> Tonight?
> >> Get new twists on family
> >> favorites at AOL Food.
> >> 
> >
>
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> 
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From MeteorHntr at aol.com  Sat May  3 19:06:02 2008
From: MeteorHntr at aol.com (MeteorHntr at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 19:06:02 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Greensburg Kansas Anniversary
Message-ID: <ce5.2f6a8a05.354e49da@aol.com>

Dave,

Thanks for the comments.

I  think what makes this extra tough is that there is no real "right" way to  
rebuild.

Mike mentioned the money being spent in the war in Iraq, and how  it could 
rebuild Greensburg in a few minutes.  His comment is true as a  political 
statement.  

However, some might argue that building a  town back to the way it was, even 
IF our country had the money AND desire to do  so, would not be a smart thing.

Most of the challenges that Greensburg is  facing is due to people and 
businesses taking many tens of millions of dollars  worth of insurance money, FEMA 
funds and charity, and leaving Greensburg to  rebuild their lives and 
businesses elsewhere.  

Simply spending  government money to rebuild everyone's house and all the 
businesses exactly like  they were before the tornado (including all the For Sale 
signs that were in  people's yards that got blown away) probably is not the 
best solution.  If  it was the best solution, that would have been the easy 
thing to do, and it  probably would have been done.

Events happen in every city in the world,  every day, to give citizens reason 
to consider making personal choices.   Greensburg just had a particular event 
happen one year ago to everyone all at  the same time.

It is easy to want to have compassion on a city. But the  City of Greensburg 
is not a person, it is a corporation.   

Is  it really bad if someone takes their insurance money, then moves to 
Kansas City  and lives "happily ever after?"   Well, the politically correct answer 
 might be "No. It would be better for them to be required to stay in 
Greensburg  rebuild and live miserably ever after."  At least that way it would LOOK  
like Greensburg successfully rebuilt.

I have heard that a movie theater  company is going to build a 500 seat state 
of the art movie theater in  Greensburg.  Now, that is a private donation to 
the community.   Wonderful.  But had it been tax payer funds being spent, some 
might argue  that a public library or a better school, or fire trucks or a 
Museum to  House their 1,000 pound meteorite, would be a more wise place to 
spend the same  funds.

So again, there is not a simple "correct" answer that can be  provided.  With 
1,400 residents, there are probably 1,400 different  decisions, and 
undoubtedly, there will be some good ones made and some bad ones  made along the way by 
individuals.  The sum of these independent decisions  will help paint the 
picture of what Greensburg will look like in the  future.

Steve #1




In a message dated 5/3/2008 5:05:48  P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
david.carothers at verizon.net  writes:
Steve,

Thank you very much for taking the time to provide such  a deeply personal, 
heart-felt, and insightful reply.  I went through a  wide range of emotions 
while reading your post.  On one extreme,  feeling happy and proud for the 
people staying to rebuild Greensburg and on  the other end of the spectrum, 
sad at the historical and cultural losses  incurred by the populace.  Your 
post is a great testamonial to the town  and people of Greensburg.

I for one will continue to keep the town and  inhabitants of Greensburg in my 
prayers.

Regards,

Dave  
d



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From mlblood at cox.net  Sat May  3 19:38:28 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 16:38:28 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] What the heck is going on?? Nothing!!! It's
 DEAD!!! JOKE
In-Reply-To: <203722.78389.qm@web59311.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C4424584.16630%mlblood@cox.net>

Aw, Don,
        Now you're just being mean and nasty. You're
Better than that! 
        Michael

on 5/3/08 3:40 PM, Don Rawlings at psc2410xi at yahoo.com wrote:

> Want a real joke?  Watch the self promotion on cash
> and treasures.  
> 
> Or wear tye-dyed every day of your life.
> 
> Don
> 
> --- Michael L Blood <mlblood at cox.net> wrote:
> 
>> NO!
>>         And if you keep complaining, we are all
>> going to
>> Come over to your house, tie you up and tickle you!
>>         Michael 
>> 
>> on 5/3/08 11:45 AM, Don Rawlings at
>> psc2410xi at yahoo.com wrote:
>> 
>>> Is this waste of bandwidth and clutter in my mail
>> box
>>> ever going to end?
>>> 
>>> Don
>>> 
>>> --- MeteorHntr at aol.com wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Michael,
>>>> 
>>>> You know what?
>>>> 
>>>> I have a problem with you  having a problem with
>> me
>>>> having a problem with
>>>> Paul having a problem with others  saying there
>> is a
>>>> problem, because I EXPRESSLY
>>>> stated my last post that I had NO  problem with
>> Paul
>>>> having a problem with
>>>> others saying there is a problem.
>>>>  
>>>> So your problem is unfounded.  So I don't think
>> you
>>>> really have a  problem.
>>>> 
>>>> Now, tread softly on your response if your
>> posting
>>>> here ends up  talking Paul
>>>> out of giving me my free beer at your auction
>> next
>>>> year, then YOU  are the
>>>> one that is really going to have a BIG problem.
>>>>  
>>>> Oh, to keep this slightly meteorite related, I am
>>>> slowly getting items up  at
>>>> ebay to start the discounting, but people keep
>>>> buying things before I lower
>>>> the prices.  Not that I have a problem with that.
>>>>  
>>>> Should I be concerned that the above paragraph
>> might
>>>> be a problem since
>>>> someone might take my reply to this last post as
>> a
>>>> gimmick to talk  about my Steve
>>>> Arnold's Famous Ebay Discount Marathon more than
>>>> just one time in  a week?
>>>>  
>>>> Oh, I almost forgot, part of what I said above
>> was a
>>>> JOKE, an attempt to be
>>>> funny.  But some of it was serious.  I am not up
>> to
>>>> sorting out which  is
>>>> which.  So, if you are humourically challenged be
>>>> careful before  responding in
>>>> anger!
>>>> 
>>>> Steve #1
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> In a message dated 5/3/2008  3:19:43 A.M. Central
>>>> Daylight Time,
>>>> mlblood at cox.net  writes:
>>>> Steve,
>>>> I have a problem  with you having a problem with
>>>> Paul having a problem with others having a
>> problem.
>>>> Sincerely,  Michael
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> on 5/2/08 5:30 PM, Paul Harris at
>> paul at meteorite.com
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hey Steve!
>>>>> 
>>>>> You're absolutely right :-)   I owe you a beer
>> on
>>>> that one!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Paul
>>>>> 
>>>>>  MeteorHntr at aol.com wrote:
>>>>>> WARNING JOKE AHEAD
>>>>>>   
>>>>>> Be prepared to be tempted to be offended... but
>>>> resist the  urge!
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> The following is ONLY a  Joke:
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> In a message dated  5/2/2008 2:28:49 P.M.
>> Central
>>>> Daylight Time,
>>>>>> paul at meteorite.com  writes:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>     So please stop. The  only problem is that
>>>> people keep saying  there
>>>>>>     is  a
>>>>>>     problem...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>   
>>>>>> Paul,
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Actually, there are 2  problems, the one you
>>>> mentioned and:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The other problem  is that you have a problem
>>>> with other people saying
>>>>>> there is a  problem.
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Not that I have a problem with you  having a
>>>> problem with people saying
>>>>>> there is a  problem.
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Because if I did have a problem with you
>> having
>>>> a problem with other
>>>>>> people saying there is a problem, then  there
>>>> would be 3 problems with it.
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>  ;-)   <<<<wink!
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Joke.   It was  a joke.  Just a joke.  Please
>>>> don't get mad at me  for
>>>>>> the joke.
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> I warned you all in the  Subject and in the
>>>> heading and once again here
>>>>>> at the  end.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Steve #1
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>  Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new
>>>> twists on family
>>>>>>  favorites at AOL Food
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> <http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001>.
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> ______________________________________________
>>>>>  http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>>>>>  Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>>> 
>>>> 'Your living is  determined not so much by what
>> life
>>>> brings to you as by the
>>>> attitude you  bring to life; not so much by what
>>>> happens to you as by the way
>>>> your mind  looks at what happens.'  --Kahlil
>> Gibran
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ______________________________________________
>>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>>> Meteorite-list  mailing  list
>>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> **************Wondering what's for Dinner
>> Tonight?
>>>> Get new twists on family
>>>> favorites at AOL Food.
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)
>> 
> === message truncated ===
> 
> 
> Don Rawlings
> 
> 
>       
> ______________________________________________________________________________
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attitude you bring to life; not so much by what happens to you as by the way
your mind looks at what happens.'  --Kahlil Gibran






From mlblood at cox.net  Sat May  3 20:06:00 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 17:06:00 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Friends
In-Reply-To: <ce5.2f6a8a05.354e49da@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C4424BF8.16636%mlblood@cox.net>

Hi Folks,
        We have 3 new Friends up:
Mark Crawford
Paul Swartz
Sean Murray
        All can be seen at the picture/name site:

http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/MeteoriteFriends.html

        Mark and Sean have also registered on the more informative site:

http://www.meteorite.com/friends/

        However, so far, only a total of 14 people have filled in the info
At the new site. (check them out - I learned some stuff about almost
Everyone, though I know almost all of them quite well).
        If you are already on the Photo/Name site, you don't
Even have to submit a photo (though you may submit up to 5).
        If you are new to both, send me your photo and name (first and
Last) and then fill out the info on the new site, as well. As soon as I
Get you "up" (same day) you will also be posted on the newer site.
        Best wishes, Michael




From dmerchan at rochester.rr.com  Sat May  3 20:17:47 2008
From: dmerchan at rochester.rr.com (Don Merchant)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 20:17:47 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD:Rare Meteorite Stamp Extravaganza on EBay Ending
Message-ID: <000501c8ad7c$4858fac0$6401a8c0@donaldmerchant>

Hi List. I have 2 sets of my Rare Meteorite Stamp Extravaganza's on EBay. 1 
set is an auction for bidding that ends in about 24 hours. The other is a 
Buy it Now for those collectors who hate to wait or for a bidder on my first 
auction who gets outbid and wants it now as well. Below you can click the 
link to check both auctions. These are an amazing beautiful collection set 
to display next to your meteorite collectables!
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZemflocater

Thank you for looking.
Sincerely
Don Merchant
IMCA #0960 


From meteoritemall at yahoo.com  Sat May  3 22:23:22 2008
From: meteoritemall at yahoo.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 19:23:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] What the heck is going on?? Nothing!!! It's
	DEAD!!! JOKE
In-Reply-To: <C4424584.16630%mlblood@cox.net>
Message-ID: <121156.26457.qm@web32506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi all,
Isn't it ironic that the point of my original post
entitled "What the heck is going on?? " was that sane,
rational, intelligent, list members not argue with
each other.

We're right back where we started from!!

 

Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
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From STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com  Sat May  3 22:35:38 2008
From: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com (STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 22:35:38 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Petrological microscope
Message-ID: <d09.338ff476.354e7afa@aol.com>

My favorite site is the Nikon  
http://www.microscopyu.com/tutorials/java/polarized/crystal/index.html    You can read for hours.  This link is to the cross 
polarized light section  but you can click on the links to the left to go to 
any techniques.

Watch  out!  Once you get hooked, you will end up deciding on a new meteorite 
or a  new lens.  It is a slippery slope! 

Have fun and let us all know how  it goes.  Tom Phillips

In a message dated 5/3/2008 3:40:35 P.M.  Central Daylight Time, 
entropydave at ntlworld.com writes:
well!  I have  been loaned a fantastic Swift petrological microscope and 
about 100  terrestrial t/s (but only one meteorites NWA 869)!
It is one heckkuva piece  and I foresee a huge learning curve.... any good 
and informative "101s" out  there in web world I can go to?


ta


dave
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Sec.BIMS.
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From meteoritemall at yahoo.com  Sat May  3 22:47:32 2008
From: meteoritemall at yahoo.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 19:47:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Thanks for over 100,000 views on youtube!!!
Message-ID: <795571.83262.qm@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi all,
I just wanted to thank everyone for watching my
videos!! Also special thanks to Jim and Paul at
www.meteorite-times.com for allowing me to film these
fly-by-the-seat-of-my-pants videos for them over the
last year.

In just over 10 months I've received over 100,000
views and (almost as many emails)

Lately I've taken a break to work on my first
love...MUSIC! If you're bored take a look at the link
below to see a couple of raw music videos that I
uploaded today. Nothing special, just a glimpse into
my music. 
http://www.youtube.com/user/myoriginalsongs

Ruben Garcia
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From eric at meteoritewatch.com  Sat May  3 23:43:11 2008
From: eric at meteoritewatch.com (Eric Wichman)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 20:43:11 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: 464.3g ODESSA End Cut Plus More
In-Reply-To: <mailman.415.1209855973.38043.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
References: <mailman.415.1209855973.38043.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <481D30CF.2090406@meteoritewatch.com>

Hi All,

Having a special sale this Sunday night (Bidding Ends 8:35pm PST) on one 
very nice 464.3 gram Odessa End Cut. Starting bid only .64/g. This 
auction is for 1 Day Only! Very nice piece with HUGE scoops and very 
nice regmaglypts. It's been sliced and sanded, ready for final polish 
and etch. Will make a great addition to any collection. Free USPS 
Priority Mail shipping within the USA.

464.3g ODESSA IRON METEORITE END CUT
http://cgi.ebay.com/SPECIAL-464-3g-ODESSA-IRON-METEORITE-COMPLETE-END-CUT_W0QQitemZ250244421937

Also listing lots more this weekend and this upcoming week:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZfreel3orn

Good Luck & Happy Bidding!

Regards,
Eric Wichman
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www.MeteoriteWatch.com

Anyone wishing to buy in bulk contact me OFF-LIST.

From pshugar at clearwire.net  Sun May  4 02:09:13 2008
From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 01:09:13 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] New or maybe old QUESTION??????
Message-ID: <000c01c8adad$61f87740$0401a8c0@laptop>

List,
Maybe this has been asked and answered (sounds like a lawer thing) and maybe 
not.
Since I am relatively new to collecting and certainly not an Expert in any 
area of meteorite study (with the exception of magnetisum (from the sky 
magnetic VS made a magnet by processes here on earth).
Here's my question:
A geologist  digs in an area that he thinks there will be the likelyhood of 
finding a fossil. Maybe he gets lucky and maybe finds bunches of them.
Has anyone ever found a meteorite buried deep in a layer that is thousands 
or even millions of years old?
Years ago--long before I became an obsessed, crazed, meteorite addict,
while teaching a series on earthquakes, I had found a video of a scientist 
standing with one foot on the Pacific plate and the other foot on the North 
Americian plate, ie astraddle of the San Andreas fault line. In back of him 
was a small vertical clift of maybe 10 feet and you could plainly see the 
shift (approx 15 inches) in the layers of sediment.
Now I've got to thinking (some say this is my problem--Thinking) that these 
meteorites have a tremendous terestial age. If the earth is bombarded by 
these meteorites throughout the aeons, then there should be a record, ie 
evidence in the form of buried craters (see the Odessa,Tx crater) -- Approx 
100 to 110 feet deep that  has been filled in till it is only 25 to 30 feet 
deep now due to wind blown sand (mostly). I've got a pamplet of  "Occasional 
Papers of the Strecker Museum" from Baylor University showing  a neat cross 
section of the Odessa Crater.
How much investigation into the cross section structure of the sediment 
layers, looking for evidence of craters has been done?  Has there ever been 
an accidential discovery of a buried crater in a clift side. Lots of these 
erroded mesa exist out west. Maybe evidence is visable there.
Surely Valeria is not the only animal killer out there.
Maybe another animal drilled by a passing meteorite with the coresponding 
meteorite near the body. Maybe there's no body but the meteorite is still 
there buried in the deeper layers of sediment. Maybe tektites are the only 
surviving evidence.
In a nutshell, has there ever been a meteorite found at a depth of sediment 
that is plainly very old?
Pete 


From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Sun May  4 02:41:00 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 23:41:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] New or maybe old QUESTION??????
In-Reply-To: <000c01c8adad$61f87740$0401a8c0@laptop>
Message-ID: <442927.82309.qm@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Yes, Sweden is well known for it's "fossil meteorites"
dug up in coal mines.
You can google them but they are clearly hundreds of
millions of years old, and you can still see clear
chondules in pieces.
Michael Farmer
--- Pete Shugar <pshugar at clearwire.net> wrote:

> List,
> Maybe this has been asked and answered (sounds like
> a lawer thing) and maybe 
> not.
> Since I am relatively new to collecting and
> certainly not an Expert in any 
> area of meteorite study (with the exception of
> magnetisum (from the sky 
> magnetic VS made a magnet by processes here on
> earth).
> Here's my question:
> A geologist  digs in an area that he thinks there
> will be the likelyhood of 
> finding a fossil. Maybe he gets lucky and maybe
> finds bunches of them.
> Has anyone ever found a meteorite buried deep in a
> layer that is thousands 
> or even millions of years old?
> Years ago--long before I became an obsessed, crazed,
> meteorite addict,
> while teaching a series on earthquakes, I had found
> a video of a scientist 
> standing with one foot on the Pacific plate and the
> other foot on the North 
> Americian plate, ie astraddle of the San Andreas
> fault line. In back of him 
> was a small vertical clift of maybe 10 feet and you
> could plainly see the 
> shift (approx 15 inches) in the layers of sediment.
> Now I've got to thinking (some say this is my
> problem--Thinking) that these 
> meteorites have a tremendous terestial age. If the
> earth is bombarded by 
> these meteorites throughout the aeons, then there
> should be a record, ie 
> evidence in the form of buried craters (see the
> Odessa,Tx crater) -- Approx 
> 100 to 110 feet deep that  has been filled in till
> it is only 25 to 30 feet 
> deep now due to wind blown sand (mostly). I've got a
> pamplet of  "Occasional 
> Papers of the Strecker Museum" from Baylor
> University showing  a neat cross 
> section of the Odessa Crater.
> How much investigation into the cross section
> structure of the sediment 
> layers, looking for evidence of craters has been
> done?  Has there ever been 
> an accidential discovery of a buried crater in a
> clift side. Lots of these 
> erroded mesa exist out west. Maybe evidence is
> visable there.
> Surely Valeria is not the only animal killer out
> there.
> Maybe another animal drilled by a passing meteorite
> with the coresponding 
> meteorite near the body. Maybe there's no body but
> the meteorite is still 
> there buried in the deeper layers of sediment. Maybe
> tektites are the only 
> surviving evidence.
> In a nutshell, has there ever been a meteorite found
> at a depth of sediment 
> that is plainly very old?
> Pete 
> 
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From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Sun May  4 02:53:14 2008
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 01:53:14 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] New or maybe old QUESTION??????
References: <000c01c8adad$61f87740$0401a8c0@laptop>
Message-ID: <0a8001c8adb3$86cc3420$db45e146@ATARIENGINE>

Hi, Pete,

    Quick answer (with footnotes) is YES.

    There a deep sediment meteorite fragment from
Chicxulub -- 66 million years old. There's an iron
from Oklahoma, Lake Murray, more than 100 million
years old; photos here:
http://www.meteorlab.com/METEORLAB2001dev/labphoto/LakeMurray.htm

http://www.otters.co.za/VDOME-morok_fossil_met.htm
    "The 25cm meteorite was found in a 145-million-year-old
Morokweng crater, 766 metres beneath the Kalahari Desert
in North-West, he said in a media statement."

    See also:
http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/June06/Morokweng.html

    There are fossil meteorites from limestone in Sweden
that date to the Ordovician -- 440-480 million years ago.
http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/Mar04/fossilMeteorites.html

    The oldest claim for meteoritic evidence of impact
is 3.47 BILLION years:
http://news-service.stanford.edu/pr/02/impactor911.html


Sterling
----------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pete Shugar" <pshugar at clearwire.net>
To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 1:09 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] New or maybe old QUESTION??????


List,
Maybe this has been asked and answered (sounds like a lawer thing) and maybe
not.
Since I am relatively new to collecting and certainly not an Expert in any
area of meteorite study (with the exception of magnetisum (from the sky
magnetic VS made a magnet by processes here on earth).
Here's my question:
A geologist  digs in an area that he thinks there will be the likelyhood of
finding a fossil. Maybe he gets lucky and maybe finds bunches of them.
Has anyone ever found a meteorite buried deep in a layer that is thousands
or even millions of years old?
Years ago--long before I became an obsessed, crazed, meteorite addict,
while teaching a series on earthquakes, I had found a video of a scientist
standing with one foot on the Pacific plate and the other foot on the North
Americian plate, ie astraddle of the San Andreas fault line. In back of him
was a small vertical clift of maybe 10 feet and you could plainly see the
shift (approx 15 inches) in the layers of sediment.
Now I've got to thinking (some say this is my problem--Thinking) that these
meteorites have a tremendous terestial age. If the earth is bombarded by
these meteorites throughout the aeons, then there should be a record, ie
evidence in the form of buried craters (see the Odessa,Tx crater) -- Approx
100 to 110 feet deep that  has been filled in till it is only 25 to 30 feet
deep now due to wind blown sand (mostly). I've got a pamplet of  "Occasional
Papers of the Strecker Museum" from Baylor University showing  a neat cross
section of the Odessa Crater.
How much investigation into the cross section structure of the sediment
layers, looking for evidence of craters has been done?  Has there ever been
an accidential discovery of a buried crater in a clift side. Lots of these
erroded mesa exist out west. Maybe evidence is visable there.
Surely Valeria is not the only animal killer out there.
Maybe another animal drilled by a passing meteorite with the coresponding
meteorite near the body. Maybe there's no body but the meteorite is still
there buried in the deeper layers of sediment. Maybe tektites are the only
surviving evidence.
In a nutshell, has there ever been a meteorite found at a depth of sediment
that is plainly very old?
Pete

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From axelsson at acc.umu.se  Sun May  4 07:00:51 2008
From: axelsson at acc.umu.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=F6ran_Axelsson?=)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 13:00:51 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] New or maybe old QUESTION??????
In-Reply-To: <442927.82309.qm@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <442927.82309.qm@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <481D9763.1090605@acc.umu.se>

Hey!

I never thought that I had to correct you in the field of meteoritics.

 :-)

Sweden does have a couple of old coal mines but the fossile meteorites 
is found in lime stone quarries.

I have also been shown in the roof of a mine (south of Kumla) of a 
structure that was claimed to be an impact crater (or impact pit) but I 
haven't been able to find anything published about it.
That was before I got hooked on meteorites so I didn't know what to look 
for or ask. The age of that quartzite strata should have been in the 
range of 400-600 million years.

/G?ran

Michael Farmer wrote:
> Yes, Sweden is well known for it's "fossil meteorites"
> dug up in coal mines.
> You can google them but they are clearly hundreds of
> millions of years old, and you can still see clear
> chondules in pieces.
> Michael Farmer
> --- Pete Shugar <pshugar at clearwire.net> wrote:
>
>   
>> List,
>> Maybe this has been asked and answered (sounds like
>> a lawer thing) and maybe 
>> not.
>> Since I am relatively new to collecting and
>> certainly not an Expert in any 
>> area of meteorite study (with the exception of
>> magnetisum (from the sky 
>> magnetic VS made a magnet by processes here on
>> earth).
>> Here's my question:
>> A geologist  digs in an area that he thinks there
>> will be the likelyhood of 
>> finding a fossil. Maybe he gets lucky and maybe
>> finds bunches of them.
>> Has anyone ever found a meteorite buried deep in a
>> layer that is thousands 
>> or even millions of years old?
>> Years ago--long before I became an obsessed, crazed,
>> meteorite addict,
>> while teaching a series on earthquakes, I had found
>> a video of a scientist 
>> standing with one foot on the Pacific plate and the
>> other foot on the North 
>> Americian plate, ie astraddle of the San Andreas
>> fault line. In back of him 
>> was a small vertical clift of maybe 10 feet and you
>> could plainly see the 
>> shift (approx 15 inches) in the layers of sediment.
>> Now I've got to thinking (some say this is my
>> problem--Thinking) that these 
>> meteorites have a tremendous terestial age. If the
>> earth is bombarded by 
>> these meteorites throughout the aeons, then there
>> should be a record, ie 
>> evidence in the form of buried craters (see the
>> Odessa,Tx crater) -- Approx 
>> 100 to 110 feet deep that  has been filled in till
>> it is only 25 to 30 feet 
>> deep now due to wind blown sand (mostly). I've got a
>> pamplet of  "Occasional 
>> Papers of the Strecker Museum" from Baylor
>> University showing  a neat cross 
>> section of the Odessa Crater.
>> How much investigation into the cross section
>> structure of the sediment 
>> layers, looking for evidence of craters has been
>> done?  Has there ever been 
>> an accidential discovery of a buried crater in a
>> clift side. Lots of these 
>> erroded mesa exist out west. Maybe evidence is
>> visable there.
>> Surely Valeria is not the only animal killer out
>> there.
>> Maybe another animal drilled by a passing meteorite
>> with the coresponding 
>> meteorite near the body. Maybe there's no body but
>> the meteorite is still 
>> there buried in the deeper layers of sediment. Maybe
>> tektites are the only 
>> surviving evidence.
>> In a nutshell, has there ever been a meteorite found
>> at a depth of sediment 
>> that is plainly very old?
>> Pete 
>>
>> ______________________________________________
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>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>
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>
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From midwest at meteorman.org  Sun May  4 07:31:15 2008
From: midwest at meteorman.org (Tim Heitz)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 06:31:15 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Can someone translate this?
References: <004d01c8ad34$5eddd4c0$5f1fcb63@TimsLaptop>
Message-ID: <008001c8adda$5f545fe0$05c90c46@TimsLaptop>

Hello List,

Can someone translate this?



http://www.analisisdigital.com.ar:80/noticias.php?ed=1&di=0&no=79406


This one $100 a gram also?  :)


Thank you,
Tim Heitz

From SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com  Sun May  4 07:53:05 2008
From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com (SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 07:53:05 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 4, 2008
Message-ID: <bda.28e6c0fa.354efda1@aol.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/May_4_2008.html

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From drtanuki at yahoo.com  Sun May  4 08:20:55 2008
From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 05:20:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Can someone translate this?
In-Reply-To: <008001c8adda$5f545fe0$05c90c46@TimsLaptop>
Message-ID: <382827.46792.qm@web53208.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Translation as follows:
Visits
  
 
Volver
 
Back
  

En la provincia s?lo quedaron peque?os fragmentos
 
Denunciaron que un traficante estadounidense se llev?
seis kilos del meteorito ca?do en Entre R?os
 
In the province were only small pieces
 
They reported that an American smuggler took six kilos
of meteorite fallen in Entre Rios
   
La AEA exigi? a las autoridades gubernamentales que
tomen cartas en el asunto. The AEA demanded the
government authorities to take action. (Foto: Once
Digital). (Photo: Eleven Digital).  
La Asociaci?n Entrerriana de Astronom?a (AEA) inform?
que el comerciante, traficante y coleccionista de
meteoritos estadounidense Michael Farmer sustrajo seis
kilos de piezas meteor?ticas ca?das en Entre R?os d?as
atr?s, en una expedici?n que realiz? a Colonia Berduc,
departamento Col?n.
 
The association entrerriano Astronomy (SAA) reported
that the trader, dealer and collector of meteorites
American Michael Farmer sustrajo six kilos of pieces
meteorite falls in Entre Rios days ago, he made an
expedition to Cologne Berduc, Columbus department.
 
Integrantes de la entidad revelaron que tambi?n hubo
otros traficantes argentinos y extranjeros que se
alzaron con parte del material y agregaron que ?Farmer
public? fotograf?as en su sitio web con total
impunidad?.
 
Members of the body revealed that there were also
other Argentine and foreign traffickers who rose up
with the material and added that "Farmer published
photographs on its website with complete impunity."
 


?Las autoridades provinciales en la materia ya fueron
puestas en conocimiento por la AEA de este incidente y
es nuestro deseo que act?en de forma urgente para
evitar futuros saqueos al patrimonio de todos?,
indicaron en declaraciones consignadas en Once Digital
.
 
"The provincial authorities in this area have already
been made known by the AEA this incident and we want
you to act urgently to prevent further looting the
wealth of all", indicated in statements reported in
Digital Eleven.

--- Tim Heitz <midwest at meteorman.org> wrote:

> Hello List,
> 
> Can someone translate this?
> 
> 
> 
>
http://www.analisisdigital.com.ar:80/noticias.php?ed=1&di=0&no=79406
> 
> 
> This one $100 a gram also?  :)
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> Tim Heitz
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From grf2 at verizon.net  Sun May  4 09:23:25 2008
From: grf2 at verizon.net (Jerry)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 09:23:25 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Thanks for over 100,000 views on youtube!!!
In-Reply-To: <795571.83262.qm@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <795571.83262.qm@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CB1246E55C440A99217AA8E4B27D819@Notebook>

Ruben and List, what a great way to communicate with son coming of age!
You da man!!
Jerry Flaherty
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ruben Garcia" <meteoritemall at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 10:47 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Thanks for over 100,000 views on youtube!!!


> Hi all,
> I just wanted to thank everyone for watching my
> videos!! Also special thanks to Jim and Paul at
> www.meteorite-times.com for allowing me to film these
> fly-by-the-seat-of-my-pants videos for them over the
> last year.
>
> In just over 10 months I've received over 100,000
> views and (almost as many emails)
>
> Lately I've taken a break to work on my first
> love...MUSIC! If you're bored take a look at the link
> below to see a couple of raw music videos that I
> uploaded today. Nothing special, just a glimpse into
> my music.
> http://www.youtube.com/user/myoriginalsongs
>
> Ruben Garcia
> Phoenix, Arizona
> http://www.mr-meteorite.com
>
>
> 
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From STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com  Sun May  4 09:57:40 2008
From: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com (STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 09:57:40 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] New or maybe old QUESTION??????
Message-ID: <cc4.2f0279dd.354f1ad4@aol.com>

Hi Pete,  IF you are looking for an  affordable sample check out Al Hagounia. 
 It matches your criteria and it  is an Enstatite.  NAU recently posted a 
paper on their web site that nicely  covers what it is, the terrestrial 
alteration it has undergone, and it's  location in the layers of sediment.  
http://www4.nau.edu/meteorite/Meteorite/Al_Haggounia.html 

The stuff is  ugly on the outside but I have cut quite a few slices and it is 
interesting when  cut.  It takes a polish quite nicely.  When you happen to 
cut into a  large radial chondrule it is beautiful.  A sea of fine grain brown 
with  only one big fan shaped chondrule.  Those polished examples make a nice  
display.  Some times you get a "Blue" one!   The Blue phase, NWA  2828 is an 
example, can be found mixed with the brown in the same slice.   That is not 
common so it is fun when you find one.   The best part is  it is cheap because 
there is plenty to go around.  

Tom  Phillips

In a message dated 5/4/2008 1:09:56 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
pshugar at clearwire.net writes:
List,
Maybe this has been asked and answered  (sounds like a lawer thing) and maybe 
not.
Since I am relatively new to  collecting and certainly not an Expert in any 
area of meteorite study (with  the exception of magnetisum (from the sky 
magnetic VS made a magnet by  processes here on earth).
Here's my question:
A geologist  digs in an  area that he thinks there will be the likelyhood of 
finding a fossil. Maybe  he gets lucky and maybe finds bunches of them.
Has anyone ever found a  meteorite buried deep in a layer that is thousands 
or even millions of years  old?
Years ago--long before I became an obsessed, crazed, meteorite  addict,
while teaching a series on earthquakes, I had found a video of a  scientist 
standing with one foot on the Pacific plate and the other foot on  the North 
Americian plate, ie astraddle of the San Andreas fault line. In  back of him 
was a small vertical clift of maybe 10 feet and you could  plainly see the 
shift (approx 15 inches) in the layers of sediment.
Now  I've got to thinking (some say this is my problem--Thinking) that these  
meteorites have a tremendous terestial age. If the earth is bombarded by  
these meteorites throughout the aeons, then there should be a record, ie  
evidence in the form of buried craters (see the Odessa,Tx crater) -- Approx  
100 to 110 feet deep that  has been filled in till it is only 25 to 30  feet 
deep now due to wind blown sand (mostly). I've got a pamplet of   "Occasional 
Papers of the Strecker Museum" from Baylor University  showing  a neat cross 
section of the Odessa Crater.
How much  investigation into the cross section structure of the sediment 
layers,  looking for evidence of craters has been done?  Has there ever been 
an  accidential discovery of a buried crater in a clift side. Lots of these  
erroded mesa exist out west. Maybe evidence is visable there.
Surely  Valeria is not the only animal killer out there.
Maybe another animal drilled  by a passing meteorite with the coresponding 
meteorite near the body. Maybe  there's no body but the meteorite is still 
there buried in the deeper layers  of sediment. Maybe tektites are the only 
surviving evidence.
In a  nutshell, has there ever been a meteorite found at a depth of sediment 
that  is plainly very old?
Pete  

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From meteoritemall at yahoo.com  Sun May  4 10:07:13 2008
From: meteoritemall at yahoo.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 07:07:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Thanks for over 100,000 views on youtube!!!
In-Reply-To: <8CB1246E55C440A99217AA8E4B27D819@Notebook>
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Thanks Jerry!

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From gmhupe at htn.net  Sun May  4 10:13:32 2008
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 10:13:32 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] New or maybe old QUESTION??????
References: <cc4.2f0279dd.354f1ad4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <08fc01c8adf1$1f96a8b0$0200a8c0@Gregor>

Hi Tom, Pete and List,



Tom has been doing a fantastic job with his studies and I thank him for his 
tireless efforts and for sharing with us. Before the realization that NWA 
2828, Al Haggounia and the other pairings to NWA 2828 were found to be an 
EL3 and NOT an aubrite, I spent many trips to Morocco buying up the "Blue" 
material. Needless to say, I have several kilos of the "Blue" EL3 material, 
one of the lucky first-in buyers, not price-wise but material-wise :-)



Here are some additional photo links of NWA 2828 "Blue", most have seen 
these as they are the ones I have with my eBay description of NWA 2828.



Photograph of a 24.9g NWA 2828 slice with rhyolite pebble (image 1):

http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa2828/nwa2828pebble.jpg



Photograph of magnified radial pyroxene chondrule (image 2):

http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa2828/nwa2828chondrule.jpg



Photograph of magnified whitish enstatite-rich clast (image 3):

http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa2828/nwa2828clast.jpg



Photograph of a 14.3g complete slice of NWA 2828 (image 4):

http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa2828/nwa2828slice.jpg



Enjoy!
Greg

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: <STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New or maybe old QUESTION??????


> Hi Pete,  IF you are looking for an  affordable sample check out Al 
> Hagounia.
> It matches your criteria and it  is an Enstatite.  NAU recently posted a
> paper on their web site that nicely  covers what it is, the terrestrial
> alteration it has undergone, and it's  location in the layers of sediment.
> http://www4.nau.edu/meteorite/Meteorite/Al_Haggounia.html
>
> The stuff is  ugly on the outside but I have cut quite a few slices and it 
> is
> interesting when  cut.  It takes a polish quite nicely.  When you happen 
> to
> cut into a  large radial chondrule it is beautiful.  A sea of fine grain 
> brown
> with  only one big fan shaped chondrule.  Those polished examples make a 
> nice
> display.  Some times you get a "Blue" one!   The Blue phase, NWA  2828 is 
> an
> example, can be found mixed with the brown in the same slice.   That is 
> not
> common so it is fun when you find one.   The best part is  it is cheap 
> because
> there is plenty to go around.
>
> Tom  Phillips
>
> In a message dated 5/4/2008 1:09:56 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> pshugar at clearwire.net writes:
> List,
> Maybe this has been asked and answered  (sounds like a lawer thing) and 
> maybe
> not.
> Since I am relatively new to  collecting and certainly not an Expert in 
> any
> area of meteorite study (with  the exception of magnetisum (from the sky
> magnetic VS made a magnet by  processes here on earth).
> Here's my question:
> A geologist  digs in an  area that he thinks there will be the likelyhood 
> of
> finding a fossil. Maybe  he gets lucky and maybe finds bunches of them.
> Has anyone ever found a  meteorite buried deep in a layer that is 
> thousands
> or even millions of years  old?
> Years ago--long before I became an obsessed, crazed, meteorite  addict,
> while teaching a series on earthquakes, I had found a video of a 
> scientist
> standing with one foot on the Pacific plate and the other foot on  the 
> North
> Americian plate, ie astraddle of the San Andreas fault line. In  back of 
> him
> was a small vertical clift of maybe 10 feet and you could  plainly see the
> shift (approx 15 inches) in the layers of sediment.
> Now  I've got to thinking (some say this is my problem--Thinking) that 
> these
> meteorites have a tremendous terestial age. If the earth is bombarded by
> these meteorites throughout the aeons, then there should be a record, ie
> evidence in the form of buried craters (see the Odessa,Tx crater) --  
> Approx
> 100 to 110 feet deep that  has been filled in till it is only 25 to 30 
> feet
> deep now due to wind blown sand (mostly). I've got a pamplet of 
> "Occasional
> Papers of the Strecker Museum" from Baylor University  showing  a neat 
> cross
> section of the Odessa Crater.
> How much  investigation into the cross section structure of the sediment
> layers,  looking for evidence of craters has been done?  Has there ever 
> been
> an  accidential discovery of a buried crater in a clift side. Lots of 
> these
> erroded mesa exist out west. Maybe evidence is visable there.
> Surely  Valeria is not the only animal killer out there.
> Maybe another animal drilled  by a passing meteorite with the coresponding
> meteorite near the body. Maybe  there's no body but the meteorite is still
> there buried in the deeper layers  of sediment. Maybe tektites are the 
> only
> surviving evidence.
> In a  nutshell, has there ever been a meteorite found at a depth of 
> sediment
> that  is plainly very old?
> Pete
>
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From ohtsuka at jb3.so-net.ne.jp  Sun May  4 10:27:28 2008
From: ohtsuka at jb3.so-net.ne.jp (ohtsuka at jb3.so-net.ne.jp)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 23:27:28 +0900 (JST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] =?iso-2022-jp?b?VGhlIHNpZ25pZmljYW5jZSBvZiBtZXRl?=
 =?iso-2022-jp?b?b3JpdGUgZGVuc2l0eSBhbmQgcG9yb3NpdHk=?=
Message-ID: <200805041427.m44ERSWZ008401@mx54.ms.so-net.ne.jp>

Dear List members,

Now you can freely download the PDF file of 
the title's paper in "Chem Elde", which is very interesting.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B7CW6-4S38C18-1&_user=10&_coverDate=04%2F30%2F2008&_rdoc=2&_fmt=high&_orig=browse&_srch=doc-info(%23toc%2318098%232008%23999319998%23684461%23FLA%23display%23Volume)&_cdi=18098&_sort=d&_docanchor=&_ct=10&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=5e4a816337b15ed7408ac5dc9403709b

Best

Katsu OHTSUKA, 
Tokyo, JAPAN

From riffraff at timewarp.de  Sun May  4 10:46:13 2008
From: riffraff at timewarp.de (Norbert Classen)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 16:46:13 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] New or maybe old QUESTION??????
In-Reply-To: <481D9763.1090605@acc.umu.se>
Message-ID: <000c01c8adf5$9ba231f0$2002a8c0@lunatic>

Hi Pete, and All,

Check out the following website on Fossil Meteorites (best viewed with
Internet Explorer - it doesn't display correctly with Firefox for some
reason):

http://epsc.wustl.edu/~visscher/research/fossil_files/frame.htm

Best,
Norbert 


> --- Pete Shugar <pshugar at clearwire.net> wrote:
>
>   
>> List,
>> Maybe this has been asked and answered (sounds like a lawer thing) 
>> and maybe not.
>> Since I am relatively new to collecting and certainly not an Expert 
>> in any area of meteorite study (with the exception of magnetisum 
>> (from the sky magnetic VS made a magnet by processes here on earth).
>> Here's my question:
>> A geologist  digs in an area that he thinks there will be the 
>> likelyhood of finding a fossil. Maybe he gets lucky and maybe finds 
>> bunches of them.
>> Has anyone ever found a meteorite buried deep in a layer that is 
>> thousands or even millions of years old?
>> Years ago--long before I became an obsessed, crazed, meteorite 
>> addict, while teaching a series on earthquakes, I had found a video 
>> of a scientist standing with one foot on the Pacific plate and the 
>> other foot on the North Americian plate, ie astraddle of the San 
>> Andreas fault line. In back of him was a small vertical clift of 
>> maybe 10 feet and you could plainly see the shift (approx 15 inches) 
>> in the layers of sediment.
>> Now I've got to thinking (some say this is my
>> problem--Thinking) that these
>> meteorites have a tremendous terestial age. If the earth is bombarded 
>> by these meteorites throughout the aeons, then there should be a 
>> record, ie evidence in the form of buried craters (see the Odessa,Tx 
>> crater) -- Approx 100 to 110 feet deep that  has been filled in till 
>> it is only 25 to 30 feet deep now due to wind blown sand (mostly). 
>> I've got a pamplet of  "Occasional Papers of the Strecker Museum" 
>> from Baylor University showing  a neat cross section of the Odessa 
>> Crater.
>> How much investigation into the cross section structure of the 
>> sediment layers, looking for evidence of craters has been done?  Has 
>> there ever been an accidential discovery of a buried crater in a 
>> clift side. Lots of these erroded mesa exist out west. Maybe evidence 
>> is visable there.
>> Surely Valeria is not the only animal killer out there.
>> Maybe another animal drilled by a passing meteorite with the 
>> coresponding meteorite near the body. Maybe there's no body but the 
>> meteorite is still there buried in the deeper layers of sediment. 
>> Maybe tektites are the only surviving evidence.
>> In a nutshell, has there ever been a meteorite found at a depth of 
>> sediment that is plainly very old?
>> Pete


From STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com  Sun May  4 11:21:21 2008
From: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com (STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 11:21:21 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] New or maybe old QUESTION??????
Message-ID: <c59.2e2a0d72.354f2e71@aol.com>

Thanks Greg,  Beautiful photos!  Every  one interested in this material 
should check them out.  I like the slice of  "Blue" with an attached rhyolite 
pebble.   http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa2828/nwa2828pebble.jpg

It is one thing to  look at this material now with the knowledge of what it 
is.  I can only  call it astonishment when you cut into one like is shown in 
Greg's image.   But Greg,  what was it like to cut into a blue meteorite when it 
was  new!  I'm sure you had ideas of what it was but this was before any  
classification/analysis had been done.  What did you think when the first  blue 
meteorite was cut?

Tom Phillips


In a message dated  5/4/2008 9:14:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
gmhupe at htn.net writes:
Hi Tom,  Pete and List,



Tom has been doing a fantastic job with his  studies and I thank him for his 
tireless efforts and for sharing with us.  Before the realization that NWA 
2828, Al Haggounia and the other pairings to  NWA 2828 were found to be an 
EL3 and NOT an aubrite, I spent many trips to  Morocco buying up the "Blue" 
material. Needless to say, I have several kilos  of the "Blue" EL3 material, 
one of the lucky first-in buyers, not price-wise  but material-wise :-)



Here are some additional photo links of NWA  2828 "Blue", most have seen 
these as they are the ones I have with my eBay  description of NWA 2828.



Photograph of a 24.9g NWA 2828 slice  with rhyolite pebble (image  1):

http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa2828/nwa2828pebble.jpg



Photograph  of magnified radial pyroxene chondrule (image  2):

http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa2828/nwa2828chondrule.jpg



Photograph  of magnified whitish enstatite-rich clast (image  3):

http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa2828/nwa2828clast.jpg



Photograph  of a 14.3g complete slice of NWA 2828 (image  4):

http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa2828/nwa2828slice.jpg



Enjoy!
Greg

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----- Original  Message ----- 
From: <STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com>
To:  <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 9:57  AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New or maybe old  QUESTION??????


> Hi Pete,  IF you are looking for an   affordable sample check out Al 
> Hagounia.
> It matches your  criteria and it  is an Enstatite.  NAU recently posted a
> paper  on their web site that nicely  covers what it is, the terrestrial
>  alteration it has undergone, and it's  location in the layers of  sediment.
>  http://www4.nau.edu/meteorite/Meteorite/Al_Haggounia.html
>
> The  stuff is  ugly on the outside but I have cut quite a few slices and it 
 
> is
> interesting when  cut.  It takes a polish quite  nicely.  When you happen 
> to
> cut into a  large radial  chondrule it is beautiful.  A sea of fine grain 
> brown
>  with  only one big fan shaped chondrule.  Those polished examples make  a 
> nice
> display.  Some times you get a "Blue"  one!   The Blue phase, NWA  2828 is 
> an
> example,  can be found mixed with the brown in the same slice.   That is  
> not
> common so it is fun when you find one.   The best  part is  it is cheap 
> because
> there is plenty to go  around.
>
> Tom  Phillips
>
> In a message dated  5/4/2008 1:09:56 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> pshugar at clearwire.net  writes:
> List,
> Maybe this has been asked and answered   (sounds like a lawer thing) and 
> maybe
> not.
> Since I am  relatively new to  collecting and certainly not an Expert in 
>  any
> area of meteorite study (with  the exception of magnetisum  (from the sky
> magnetic VS made a magnet by  processes here on  earth).
> Here's my question:
> A geologist  digs in an   area that he thinks there will be the likelyhood 
> of
> finding a  fossil. Maybe  he gets lucky and maybe finds bunches of them.
> Has  anyone ever found a  meteorite buried deep in a layer that is 
>  thousands
> or even millions of years  old?
> Years ago--long  before I became an obsessed, crazed, meteorite  addict,
> while  teaching a series on earthquakes, I had found a video of a 
>  scientist
> standing with one foot on the Pacific plate and the other foot  on  the 
> North
> Americian plate, ie astraddle of the San  Andreas fault line. In  back of 
> him
> was a small vertical  clift of maybe 10 feet and you could  plainly see the
> shift (approx  15 inches) in the layers of sediment.
> Now  I've got to thinking  (some say this is my problem--Thinking) that 
> these
> meteorites  have a tremendous terestial age. If the earth is bombarded by
> these  meteorites throughout the aeons, then there should be a record, ie
>  evidence in the form of buried craters (see the Odessa,Tx crater) --   
> Approx
> 100 to 110 feet deep that  has been filled in till  it is only 25 to 30 
> feet
> deep now due to wind blown sand  (mostly). I've got a pamplet of 
> "Occasional
> Papers of the  Strecker Museum" from Baylor University  showing  a neat 
>  cross
> section of the Odessa Crater.
> How much  investigation  into the cross section structure of the sediment
> layers,  looking  for evidence of craters has been done?  Has there ever 
>  been
> an  accidential discovery of a buried crater in a clift side.  Lots of 
> these
> erroded mesa exist out west. Maybe evidence is  visable there.
> Surely  Valeria is not the only animal killer out  there.
> Maybe another animal drilled  by a passing meteorite with  the coresponding
> meteorite near the body. Maybe  there's no body  but the meteorite is still
> there buried in the deeper layers  of  sediment. Maybe tektites are the 
> only
> surviving  evidence.
> In a  nutshell, has there ever been a meteorite found at  a depth of 
> sediment
> that  is plainly very old?
>  Pete
>
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From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Sun May  4 11:23:35 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 08:23:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] New or maybe old QUESTION??????
In-Reply-To: <481D9763.1090605@acc.umu.se>
Message-ID: <933793.35328.qm@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I just remmember reading about it and seeing the
photos of individual meteorites that had been cut in
the matrix, still full of chondrules.
Anyone know where I can get my hands on a slab?
Michael Farmer


--- G?ran Axelsson <axelsson at acc.umu.se> wrote:

> Hey!
> 
> I never thought that I had to correct you in the
> field of meteoritics.
> 
>  :-)
> 
> Sweden does have a couple of old coal mines but the
> fossile meteorites 
> is found in lime stone quarries.
> 
> I have also been shown in the roof of a mine (south
> of Kumla) of a 
> structure that was claimed to be an impact crater
> (or impact pit) but I 
> haven't been able to find anything published about
> it.
> That was before I got hooked on meteorites so I
> didn't know what to look 
> for or ask. The age of that quartzite strata should
> have been in the 
> range of 400-600 million years.
> 
> /G?ran
> 
> Michael Farmer wrote:
> > Yes, Sweden is well known for it's "fossil
> meteorites"
> > dug up in coal mines.
> > You can google them but they are clearly hundreds
> of
> > millions of years old, and you can still see clear
> > chondules in pieces.
> > Michael Farmer
> > --- Pete Shugar <pshugar at clearwire.net> wrote:
> >
> >   
> >> List,
> >> Maybe this has been asked and answered (sounds
> like
> >> a lawer thing) and maybe 
> >> not.
> >> Since I am relatively new to collecting and
> >> certainly not an Expert in any 
> >> area of meteorite study (with the exception of
> >> magnetisum (from the sky 
> >> magnetic VS made a magnet by processes here on
> >> earth).
> >> Here's my question:
> >> A geologist  digs in an area that he thinks there
> >> will be the likelyhood of 
> >> finding a fossil. Maybe he gets lucky and maybe
> >> finds bunches of them.
> >> Has anyone ever found a meteorite buried deep in
> a
> >> layer that is thousands 
> >> or even millions of years old?
> >> Years ago--long before I became an obsessed,
> crazed,
> >> meteorite addict,
> >> while teaching a series on earthquakes, I had
> found
> >> a video of a scientist 
> >> standing with one foot on the Pacific plate and
> the
> >> other foot on the North 
> >> Americian plate, ie astraddle of the San Andreas
> >> fault line. In back of him 
> >> was a small vertical clift of maybe 10 feet and
> you
> >> could plainly see the 
> >> shift (approx 15 inches) in the layers of
> sediment.
> >> Now I've got to thinking (some say this is my
> >> problem--Thinking) that these 
> >> meteorites have a tremendous terestial age. If
> the
> >> earth is bombarded by 
> >> these meteorites throughout the aeons, then there
> >> should be a record, ie 
> >> evidence in the form of buried craters (see the
> >> Odessa,Tx crater) -- Approx 
> >> 100 to 110 feet deep that  has been filled in
> till
> >> it is only 25 to 30 feet 
> >> deep now due to wind blown sand (mostly). I've
> got a
> >> pamplet of  "Occasional 
> >> Papers of the Strecker Museum" from Baylor
> >> University showing  a neat cross 
> >> section of the Odessa Crater.
> >> How much investigation into the cross section
> >> structure of the sediment 
> >> layers, looking for evidence of craters has been
> >> done?  Has there ever been 
> >> an accidential discovery of a buried crater in a
> >> clift side. Lots of these 
> >> erroded mesa exist out west. Maybe evidence is
> >> visable there.
> >> Surely Valeria is not the only animal killer out
> >> there.
> >> Maybe another animal drilled by a passing
> meteorite
> >> with the coresponding 
> >> meteorite near the body. Maybe there's no body
> but
> >> the meteorite is still 
> >> there buried in the deeper layers of sediment.
> Maybe
> >> tektites are the only 
> >> surviving evidence.
> >> In a nutshell, has there ever been a meteorite
> found
> >> at a depth of sediment 
> >> that is plainly very old?
> >> Pete 
> >>
> >> ______________________________________________
> >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> >> Meteorite-list mailing list
> >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >>
> >>     
> >
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From gmhupe at htn.net  Sun May  4 12:07:22 2008
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 12:07:22 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] New or maybe old QUESTION??????
References: <c59.2e2a0d72.354f2e71@aol.com>
Message-ID: <093d01c8ae01$0b700470$0200a8c0@Gregor>

Hi Tom,

You asked, "What did you think when the first  blue meteorite (NWA 2828) was 
cut?" I thought, "What the heck is this stuff?!"

I had first purchased a very small amount of this material, cut it, and 
thought it was the strangest "meteorite" I had seen to date, if it was a 
meteorite at all. I then sent the type sample to the University of 
Washington for analysis, and if a meteorite, classification. The original 20 
gram sample did not have any of the chondrules so it was classified as an 
aubrite. During the next 6-12 months of going to Morocco (maybe 5 or 6 
trips), I kept my eye out for more of this material. I thought I had a coup 
on this new "aubrite" so I traveled to Morocco more often during that time 
and bought up as much as I could find.

It wasn't until I started to cut and polish this material to start to offer 
it to collectors that the first chondrules started to present themselves. 
They were not the typical chondrules like in OC's so I sent additional type 
samples with these "features" to the scientists (eventually more samples and 
80 grams later). Lab results..., "Chondrules!" "DAMN", was the next thought. 
Thank goodness I had not offered any of this material publicly as I would 
have had a real problem on my hands. :-/ So many months had passed by that 
the first abstract stating the "aubrite" classification had made itself to 
the Internet and it was from this information that another overseas dealer 
who had some of this material had it up on his web site (without sending in 
a type sample) and started selling it as NWA 2828. I thought "How 
embarrassing for this person who did not want to send in his own sample and 
get his own NWA number!" (this time it bit him in the butt!).

Eventually, and over time and with many people's help, the riddle of NWA 
2828 (and its pairings 'Al Haggounia', and other NWA numbers) were revealed. 
It is still a very interesting meteorite with a great story behind its 
discovery and eventual classification. Now if we could just get Dr. Jambon 
to acknowledge the hard work of his peers "Proving" once and for all, "Al 
Haggounia" (the pairing to NWA 2828) is NOT AN AUBRITE!!!

Best regards,
Greg

====================
Greg Hupe
The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
gmhupe at htn.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163
====================
Click here for my current eBay auctions: 
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New or maybe old QUESTION??????


> Thanks Greg,  Beautiful photos!  Every  one interested in this material
> should check them out.  I like the slice of  "Blue" with an attached 
> rhyolite
> pebble.   http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa2828/nwa2828pebble.jpg
>
> It is one thing to  look at this material now with the knowledge of what 
> it
> is.  I can only  call it astonishment when you cut into one like is shown 
> in
> Greg's image.   But Greg,  what was it like to cut into a blue meteorite 
> when it
> was  new!  I'm sure you had ideas of what it was but this was before any
> classification/analysis had been done.  What did you think when the first 
> blue
> meteorite was cut?
>
> Tom Phillips
>
>
> In a message dated  5/4/2008 9:14:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> gmhupe at htn.net writes:
> Hi Tom,  Pete and List,
>
>
>
> Tom has been doing a fantastic job with his  studies and I thank him for 
> his
> tireless efforts and for sharing with us.  Before the realization that NWA
> 2828, Al Haggounia and the other pairings to  NWA 2828 were found to be an
> EL3 and NOT an aubrite, I spent many trips to  Morocco buying up the 
> "Blue"
> material. Needless to say, I have several kilos  of the "Blue" EL3 
> material,
> one of the lucky first-in buyers, not price-wise  but material-wise :-)
>
>
>
> Here are some additional photo links of NWA  2828 "Blue", most have seen
> these as they are the ones I have with my eBay  description of NWA 2828.
>
>
>
> Photograph of a 24.9g NWA 2828 slice  with rhyolite pebble (image  1):
>
> http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa2828/nwa2828pebble.jpg
>
>
>
> Photograph  of magnified radial pyroxene chondrule (image  2):
>
> http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa2828/nwa2828chondrule.jpg
>
>
>
> Photograph  of magnified whitish enstatite-rich clast (image  3):
>
> http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa2828/nwa2828clast.jpg
>
>
>
> Photograph  of a 14.3g complete slice of NWA 2828 (image  4):
>
> http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa2828/nwa2828slice.jpg
>
>
>
> Enjoy!
> Greg
>
> ====================
> Greg  Hupe
> The Hupe Collection
> NaturesVault  (eBay)
> gmhupe at htn.net
> www.LunarRock.com
> IMCA  3163
> ====================
> Click here for my current eBay auctions:
> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault
>
>
>
> ----- Original  Message ----- 
> From: <STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com>
> To:  <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 9:57  AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New or maybe old  QUESTION??????
>
>
>> Hi Pete,  IF you are looking for an   affordable sample check out Al
>> Hagounia.
>> It matches your  criteria and it  is an Enstatite.  NAU recently posted a
>> paper  on their web site that nicely  covers what it is, the terrestrial
>>  alteration it has undergone, and it's  location in the layers of 
>> sediment.
>>  http://www4.nau.edu/meteorite/Meteorite/Al_Haggounia.html
>>
>> The  stuff is  ugly on the outside but I have cut quite a few slices and 
>> it
>
>> is
>> interesting when  cut.  It takes a polish quite  nicely.  When you happen
>> to
>> cut into a  large radial  chondrule it is beautiful.  A sea of fine grain
>> brown
>>  with  only one big fan shaped chondrule.  Those polished examples make 
>> a
>> nice
>> display.  Some times you get a "Blue"  one!   The Blue phase, NWA  2828 
>> is
>> an
>> example,  can be found mixed with the brown in the same slice.   That is
>> not
>> common so it is fun when you find one.   The best  part is  it is cheap
>> because
>> there is plenty to go  around.
>>
>> Tom  Phillips
>>
>> In a message dated  5/4/2008 1:09:56 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
>> pshugar at clearwire.net  writes:
>> List,
>> Maybe this has been asked and answered   (sounds like a lawer thing) and
>> maybe
>> not.
>> Since I am  relatively new to  collecting and certainly not an Expert in
>>  any
>> area of meteorite study (with  the exception of magnetisum  (from the sky
>> magnetic VS made a magnet by  processes here on  earth).
>> Here's my question:
>> A geologist  digs in an   area that he thinks there will be the 
>> likelyhood
>> of
>> finding a  fossil. Maybe  he gets lucky and maybe finds bunches of them.
>> Has  anyone ever found a  meteorite buried deep in a layer that is
>>  thousands
>> or even millions of years  old?
>> Years ago--long  before I became an obsessed, crazed, meteorite  addict,
>> while  teaching a series on earthquakes, I had found a video of a
>>  scientist
>> standing with one foot on the Pacific plate and the other foot  on  the
>> North
>> Americian plate, ie astraddle of the San  Andreas fault line. In  back of
>> him
>> was a small vertical  clift of maybe 10 feet and you could  plainly see 
>> the
>> shift (approx  15 inches) in the layers of sediment.
>> Now  I've got to thinking  (some say this is my problem--Thinking) that
>> these
>> meteorites  have a tremendous terestial age. If the earth is bombarded by
>> these  meteorites throughout the aeons, then there should be a record, ie
>>  evidence in the form of buried craters (see the Odessa,Tx crater) --
>> Approx
>> 100 to 110 feet deep that  has been filled in till  it is only 25 to 30
>> feet
>> deep now due to wind blown sand  (mostly). I've got a pamplet of
>> "Occasional
>> Papers of the  Strecker Museum" from Baylor University  showing  a neat
>>  cross
>> section of the Odessa Crater.
>> How much  investigation  into the cross section structure of the sediment
>> layers,  looking  for evidence of craters has been done?  Has there ever
>>  been
>> an  accidential discovery of a buried crater in a clift side.  Lots of
>> these
>> erroded mesa exist out west. Maybe evidence is  visable there.
>> Surely  Valeria is not the only animal killer out  there.
>> Maybe another animal drilled  by a passing meteorite with  the 
>> coresponding
>> meteorite near the body. Maybe  there's no body  but the meteorite is 
>> still
>> there buried in the deeper layers  of  sediment. Maybe tektites are the
>> only
>> surviving  evidence.
>> In a  nutshell, has there ever been a meteorite found at  a depth of
>> sediment
>> that  is plainly very old?
>>  Pete
>>
>> ______________________________________________
>>  http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list  mailing   list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>  http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>  family
>> favorites at AOL Food.
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>
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From p.marmet at mysunrise.ch  Sun May  4 12:16:12 2008
From: p.marmet at mysunrise.ch (Peter Marmet)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 18:16:12 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - ebay: St.Mesmin, Pantar, Ivuna, Luotolax,
	Queen's Mercy, Canon City, New Orleans, ...
Message-ID: <1359EC86-3793-42EE-AF80-90EA0F615481@mysunrise.ch>

Hi All,

I have 20 auctions ending in about two days:

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZpema9

Crumlin, Orgueil, Viedma, Canon City, Albareto, Ivuna, Elenovka,  
Cachari, Queen's Mercy, Bilanga,

Pantar, Ella Island, Adzhi-Bogdo, Arriba, Cumberland Falls, Luotolax,  
New Orleans, Bassikounou, NWA 2629, St.Mesmin.

If you need more info concerning provenance, please ask!


Thank you,
Peter


Peter Marmet
Bern, Switzerland
IMCA #2747
p.marmet at mysunrise.ch
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From darryl at dof3.com  Sun May  4 12:23:41 2008
From: darryl at dof3.com (Darryl Pitt)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 12:23:41 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <093d01c8ae01$0b700470$0200a8c0@Gregor>
References: <c59.2e2a0d72.354f2e71@aol.com>
	<093d01c8ae01$0b700470$0200a8c0@Gregor>
Message-ID: <3A6DF65D-8D31-43A1-9C03-D675AA25BD7C@dof3.com>



hi

from the images provided the amphoterite bandong is far more blue- 
grey.  /d



On May 4, 2008, at 12:07 PM, Greg Hupe wrote:

> Hi Tom,
>
> You asked, "What did you think when the first  blue meteorite (NWA  
> 2828) was cut?" I thought, "What the heck is this stuff?!"
>
> I had first purchased a very small amount of this material, cut it,  
> and thought it was the strangest "meteorite" I had seen to date, if  
> it was a meteorite at all. I then sent the type sample to the  
> University of Washington for analysis, and if a meteorite,  
> classification. The original 20 gram sample did not have any of the  
> chondrules so it was classified as an aubrite. During the next 6-12  
> months of going to Morocco (maybe 5 or 6 trips), I kept my eye out  
> for more of this material. I thought I had a coup on this new  
> "aubrite" so I traveled to Morocco more often during that time and  
> bought up as much as I could find.
>
> It wasn't until I started to cut and polish this material to start  
> to offer it to collectors that the first chondrules started to  
> present themselves. They were not the typical chondrules like in  
> OC's so I sent additional type samples with these "features" to the  
> scientists (eventually more samples and 80 grams later). Lab  
> results..., "Chondrules!" "DAMN", was the next thought. Thank  
> goodness I had not offered any of this material publicly as I would  
> have had a real problem on my hands. :-/ So many months had passed  
> by that the first abstract stating the "aubrite" classification had  
> made itself to the Internet and it was from this information that  
> another overseas dealer who had some of this material had it up on  
> his web site (without sending in a type sample) and started selling  
> it as NWA 2828. I thought "How embarrassing for this person who did  
> not want to send in his own sample and get his own NWA  
> number!" (this time it bit him in the butt!).
>
> Eventually, and over time and with many people's help, the riddle  
> of NWA 2828 (and its pairings 'Al Haggounia', and other NWA  
> numbers) were revealed. It is still a very interesting meteorite  
> with a great story behind its discovery and eventual  
> classification. Now if we could just get Dr. Jambon to acknowledge  
> the hard work of his peers "Proving" once and for all, "Al  
> Haggounia" (the pairing to NWA 2828) is NOT AN AUBRITE!!!
>
> Best regards,
> Greg
>
> ====================
> Greg Hupe
> The Hupe Collection
> NaturesVault (eBay)
> gmhupe at htn.net
> www.LunarRock.com
> IMCA 3163
> ====================
> Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/ 
> _W0QQsassZnaturesvault
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 11:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New or maybe old QUESTION??????
>
>
>
>> Thanks Greg,  Beautiful photos!  Every  one interested in this  
>> material
>> should check them out.  I like the slice of  "Blue" with an  
>> attached rhyolite
>> pebble.   http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa2828/nwa2828pebble.jpg
>>
>> It is one thing to  look at this material now with the knowledge  
>> of what it
>> is.  I can only  call it astonishment when you cut into one like  
>> is shown in
>> Greg's image.   But Greg,  what was it like to cut into a blue  
>> meteorite when it
>> was  new!  I'm sure you had ideas of what it was but this was  
>> before any
>> classification/analysis had been done.  What did you think when  
>> the first blue
>> meteorite was cut?
>>
>> Tom Phillips
>>
>>
>> In a message dated  5/4/2008 9:14:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
>> gmhupe at htn.net writes:
>> Hi Tom,  Pete and List,
>>
>>
>>
>> Tom has been doing a fantastic job with his  studies and I thank  
>> him for his
>> tireless efforts and for sharing with us.  Before the realization  
>> that NWA
>> 2828, Al Haggounia and the other pairings to  NWA 2828 were found  
>> to be an
>> EL3 and NOT an aubrite, I spent many trips to  Morocco buying up  
>> the "Blue"
>> material. Needless to say, I have several kilos  of the "Blue" EL3  
>> material,
>> one of the lucky first-in buyers, not price-wise  but material- 
>> wise :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> Here are some additional photo links of NWA  2828 "Blue", most  
>> have seen
>> these as they are the ones I have with my eBay  description of NWA  
>> 2828.
>>
>>
>>
>> Photograph of a 24.9g NWA 2828 slice  with rhyolite pebble (image   
>> 1):
>>
>> http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa2828/nwa2828pebble.jpg
>>
>>
>>
>> Photograph  of magnified radial pyroxene chondrule (image  2):
>>
>> http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa2828/nwa2828chondrule.jpg
>>
>>
>>
>> Photograph  of magnified whitish enstatite-rich clast (image  3):
>>
>> http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa2828/nwa2828clast.jpg
>>
>>
>>
>> Photograph  of a 14.3g complete slice of NWA 2828 (image  4):
>>
>> http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa2828/nwa2828slice.jpg
>>
>>
>>
>> Enjoy!
>> Greg
>>
>> ====================
>> Greg  Hupe
>> The Hupe Collection
>> NaturesVault  (eBay)
>> gmhupe at htn.net
>> www.LunarRock.com
>> IMCA  3163
>> ====================
>> Click here for my current eBay auctions:
>> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original  Message ----- From: <STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com>
>> To:  <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 9:57  AM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New or maybe old  QUESTION??????
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi Pete,  IF you are looking for an   affordable sample check out Al
>>> Hagounia.
>>> It matches your  criteria and it  is an Enstatite.  NAU recently  
>>> posted a
>>> paper  on their web site that nicely  covers what it is, the  
>>> terrestrial
>>>  alteration it has undergone, and it's  location in the layers of  
>>> sediment.
>>>  http://www4.nau.edu/meteorite/Meteorite/Al_Haggounia.html
>>>
>>> The  stuff is  ugly on the outside but I have cut quite a few  
>>> slices and it
>>>
>>
>>
>>> is
>>> interesting when  cut.  It takes a polish quite  nicely.  When  
>>> you happen
>>> to
>>> cut into a  large radial  chondrule it is beautiful.  A sea of  
>>> fine grain
>>> brown
>>>  with  only one big fan shaped chondrule.  Those polished  
>>> examples make a
>>> nice
>>> display.  Some times you get a "Blue"  one!   The Blue phase,  
>>> NWA  2828 is
>>> an
>>> example,  can be found mixed with the brown in the same slice.    
>>> That is
>>> not
>>> common so it is fun when you find one.   The best  part is  it is  
>>> cheap
>>> because
>>> there is plenty to go  around.
>>>
>>> Tom  Phillips
>>>
>>> In a message dated  5/4/2008 1:09:56 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
>>> pshugar at clearwire.net  writes:
>>> List,
>>> Maybe this has been asked and answered   (sounds like a lawer  
>>> thing) and
>>> maybe
>>> not.
>>> Since I am  relatively new to  collecting and certainly not an  
>>> Expert in
>>>  any
>>> area of meteorite study (with  the exception of magnetisum  (from  
>>> the sky
>>> magnetic VS made a magnet by  processes here on  earth).
>>> Here's my question:
>>> A geologist  digs in an   area that he thinks there will be the  
>>> likelyhood
>>> of
>>> finding a  fossil. Maybe  he gets lucky and maybe finds bunches  
>>> of them.
>>> Has  anyone ever found a  meteorite buried deep in a layer that is
>>>  thousands
>>> or even millions of years  old?
>>> Years ago--long  before I became an obsessed, crazed, meteorite   
>>> addict,
>>> while  teaching a series on earthquakes, I had found a video of a
>>>  scientist
>>> standing with one foot on the Pacific plate and the other foot   
>>> on  the
>>> North
>>> Americian plate, ie astraddle of the San  Andreas fault line. In   
>>> back of
>>> him
>>> was a small vertical  clift of maybe 10 feet and you could   
>>> plainly see the
>>> shift (approx  15 inches) in the layers of sediment.
>>> Now  I've got to thinking  (some say this is my problem-- 
>>> Thinking) that
>>> these
>>> meteorites  have a tremendous terestial age. If the earth is  
>>> bombarded by
>>> these  meteorites throughout the aeons, then there should be a  
>>> record, ie
>>>  evidence in the form of buried craters (see the Odessa,Tx  
>>> crater) --
>>> Approx
>>> 100 to 110 feet deep that  has been filled in till  it is only 25  
>>> to 30
>>> feet
>>> deep now due to wind blown sand  (mostly). I've got a pamplet of
>>> "Occasional
>>> Papers of the  Strecker Museum" from Baylor University  showing   
>>> a neat
>>>  cross
>>> section of the Odessa Crater.
>>> How much  investigation  into the cross section structure of the  
>>> sediment
>>> layers,  looking  for evidence of craters has been done?  Has  
>>> there ever
>>>  been
>>> an  accidential discovery of a buried crater in a clift side.   
>>> Lots of
>>> these
>>> erroded mesa exist out west. Maybe evidence is  visable there.
>>> Surely  Valeria is not the only animal killer out  there.
>>> Maybe another animal drilled  by a passing meteorite with  the  
>>> coresponding
>>> meteorite near the body. Maybe  there's no body  but the  
>>> meteorite is still
>>> there buried in the deeper layers  of  sediment. Maybe tektites  
>>> are the
>>> only
>>> surviving  evidence.
>>> In a  nutshell, has there ever been a meteorite found at  a depth of
>>> sediment
>>> that  is plainly very old?
>>>  Pete
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________
>>>  http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>> Meteorite-list  mailing   list
>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>  http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new  
>>> twists on
>>>  family
>>> favorites at AOL Food.
>>>  (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)
>>>  ______________________________________________
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>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists  
>> on family
>> favorites at AOL Food.
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From midwest at meteorman.org  Sun May  4 12:48:40 2008
From: midwest at meteorman.org (Tim Heitz)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 11:48:40 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Thanks for over 100,000 views on youtube!!!
References: <795571.83262.qm@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <012901c8ae06$b8cb57f0$05c90c46@TimsLaptop>


I like the words to that song, well done.

A song of truth.

Tim Heitz










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From: "Ruben Garcia" <meteoritemall at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 9:47 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Thanks for over 100,000 views on youtube!!!


> Hi all,
> I just wanted to thank everyone for watching my
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>
> In just over 10 months I've received over 100,000
> views and (almost as many emails)
>
> Lately I've taken a break to work on my first
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> below to see a couple of raw music videos that I
> uploaded today. Nothing special, just a glimpse into
> my music.
> http://www.youtube.com/user/myoriginalsongs
>
> Ruben Garcia
> Phoenix, Arizona
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>
>
> 
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From grf2 at verizon.net  Sun May  4 13:26:32 2008
From: grf2 at verizon.net (Jerry)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 13:26:32 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Petrological microscope
In-Reply-To: <d09.338ff476.354e7afa@aol.com>
References: <d09.338ff476.354e7afa@aol.com>
Message-ID: <5C1520BA37EF47DAB2D22DC1355313FD@Notebook>

Wow Thanks for the link Tom! I'll bet it's been posted before but it always 
takes a few tries before I key into anything [Dho]!
Jerry Flaherty
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Petrological microscope


> My favorite site is the Nikon
> http://www.microscopyu.com/tutorials/java/polarized/crystal/index.html 
> You can read for hours.  This link is to the cross
> polarized light section  but you can click on the links to the left to go 
> to
> any techniques.
>
> Watch  out!  Once you get hooked, you will end up deciding on a new 
> meteorite
> or a  new lens.  It is a slippery slope!
>
> Have fun and let us all know how  it goes.  Tom Phillips
>
> In a message dated 5/3/2008 3:40:35 P.M.  Central Daylight Time,
> entropydave at ntlworld.com writes:
> well!  I have  been loaned a fantastic Swift petrological microscope and
> about 100  terrestrial t/s (but only one meteorites NWA 869)!
> It is one heckkuva piece  and I foresee a huge learning curve.... any good
> and informative "101s" out  there in web world I can go to?
>
>
> ta
>
>
> dave
> IMCA  #0092
> Sec.BIMS.
> www.bimsociety.org
>
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From mexicodoug at aim.com  Sun May  4 13:28:23 2008
From: mexicodoug at aim.com (mexicodoug at aim.com)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 13:28:23 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 1,
	2008
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-W413EC02E7CD2273F0AAEEECDDB0@phx.gbl>
References: <cf3.3023f66d.354af81e@aol.com>
	<BAY104-W413EC02E7CD2273F0AAEEECDDB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8CA7C235EBA257B-12DC-2F2B@WEBMAIL-MC12.sysops.aol.com>

Hi Dave & Listees,

That is a cool license plate Dave!  Recalling recent history, I think a 
congrats is in order.  Mostly I'm glad to see you are still out there, 
been missing your posts to the met-list.  Please come out of 
Wybernation in Stromatoland more often!!!

Doug
PS the plate's even very Galaxy-meteorite colored :( Hey where are 
those Galaxy meteorites today you bought as a gag:)


-----Original Message-----
From: Moni Waiblinger <moni2555 at hotmail.com>
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thu, 1 May 2008 10:51 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 
1, 2008



Good Morning Everyone,

hey David,
cool license plate.
Now lets just show the IMCA members how you can find them meteorites in 
Wyoming!
This license plate will bring you good luck!!
Some day my friends and I have to come and help you.
There must be more Rock Springs meteorites.

See here:

METEORITE ASSOCIATES, in September 2003, I have received my 
classification
information on my new meteorite find (2/15/03) from Dr. Alan Ruben at 
UCLA (11.2
gram type specimen location) and may or may not put it up for museum 
display or
market. Classification, and final naming is complete, "ROCK SPRINGS" 
has a type
specimen at UCLA now. It is an "equlibrated chondrite" L-6. Weather 
grade W2
Shock grade S2, Fa% 25.7 Total Known Weight 52 grams. Main mass is 40 
grams,
nice crust, little iron evident. The "Rock Springs" (In July 2004 
Meteorite
Bulletin) is the first new meteorite to come out of Wyoming in 56 
years, and
only the 13th. ever found here! It should make one heck of a "show and 
tell"
rock for public lectures about meteorite education.
Thanks to my good friend, Bob Verish for all of the help with 
classification!
Check out www. meteoritetimes.com meteorite email magazine for tons of
information about meteorites, meteorite hunting, collecting, market 
trends
pictures, and lots of interesting stories!


Taken from this URL

http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=mjwy


"Buckleboo!" David!

Happy day and with best regards,
Moni


> From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com
> Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 06:40:30 -0400
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com; imca at imcamail.de
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 
1, 2008
>
> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/May_1_2008.html
>
>
>

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From mstreman53 at yahoo.com  Sun May  4 13:28:35 2008
From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 10:28:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] TA on NWA2828 was New or maybe old
	QUESTION??????
In-Reply-To: <c59.2e2a0d72.354f2e71@aol.com>
Message-ID: <978710.71782.qm@web51007.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Do we have a terrestrial age yet on NWA 2828?

Were the ryolite pebbles stream transported or pyroclastic fall out aka lappilli?  Understand this was recovered in an arid lake bed.

Would love to see some photos in situ.

Elton

From riffraff at timewarp.de  Sun May  4 13:36:08 2008
From: riffraff at timewarp.de (Norbert Classen)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 19:36:08 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Extra-solar material?
In-Reply-To: <000701c8ad35$bb6353e0$2a01a8c0@ibmtp23>
Message-ID: <000501c8ae0d$57ad1d30$2002a8c0@lunatic>

Hi Matthias, and All,

You asked:

> isn't presolar extrasolar too, in a certain sense?

Not necessarily, at least not how I understand it. I've read some abstracts
and papers that say, e.g., that not all presolar nano diamonds in Allende,
and other carbonaceous chondrites are considered to be of interstellar or
"extra-solar" origin. So some presolar grains are interstellar, and some or
not. However, interstellar grains found in meteorites should be considered
presolar as they would have to be incorporated into meteorites in the early
days of our own solar nebula. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

BTW, I found a few abstracts dealing with interstellar grains, i.e., real
"stardust" in primitive meteorites, carbonaceous chondrites, and IDPs
(Interplanetary Dust Particles). Here are three examples that show that some
meteorites contain real stardust, i.e., actual grains of novea, supernovae,
RGB (red giant branch), AGB (asymptotic giant branch), or Wolf-Rayet stars.
So, as I said before, we surely have plenty of "extra-solar"/interstellar
stuff in our collections, but just as microscopically small inclusions:

http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/510612
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1993Metic..28..490A
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1997ApJ...483..475N

Fascinating, isn't it? You will certainly view your Tieschitz, or your Acfer
094 with different eyes now ;-)

All the best,
Norbert

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----

Hi Norbert, list , -

isn't presolar extrasolar too, in a certain sense?

See f.e.: http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/Dec02/TagishLake.html

Best,

Matthias

----- Original Message -----

Hi Mark,

The nano diamonds in Allende CAI's are considered to be samples of
extra-solar origin; at least they show isotopic values that don't match with
any of the other values measured for materials of our solar system
(including meteorites).

I believe there were studies of other (Antarctic) carbonaceous chondrites
which also were shown to be from other systems, but right now I don't
remember the exact publication. Should have been in MAPS, but I would have
to look this up, first. Bernd: do you have an idea where I might have read
about it?

But as far as I know no meteorite as such has been considered as
"extra-solar", so far - these are always inclusions, and most of them are
microscopically small.

All the best,
Norbert

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----

I'm reading Paul Davies' "The Fifth Miracle". In chapter 6 it refers to the
1996 discovery by Taylor, Baggaley and Steel of inter-stellar dust particles
entering the earth's atmosphere in the form of fast (>
70-km/s) meteors:

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v380/n6572/abs/380323a0.html

It got me wondering as to whether there are any candidates for meteorites
which may be of extra-solar origin.  Are there any?  How would they be
identified - a suspiciously long CRE age would perhaps be one indicator?

Mark

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From mexicodoug at aim.com  Sun May  4 13:40:45 2008
From: mexicodoug at aim.com (mexicodoug at aim.com)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 13:40:45 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Extra-solar material?
In-Reply-To: <724703.13794.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CA7C251CED99C3-12DC-2FAF@WEBMAIL-MC12.sysops.aol.com>

Hi Adam,

http://www.shieldsgazette.com/news/Sweet-smell-of-art-success.4037440.jp

Here's the Australian scientist you want to send the suspect meteorite 
in your link for authentication.  Note he really does have prior 
meteorite classification experience, but you won't like his conclusion. 
  What smelled so sweet bottled up for Bob Haag apparently is not as 
appealing to a professional nose.  Well, that sounds like a cliche I 
don't recall well at the moment.  Still perhaps your eBay link is for 
an authentic meteorite, you know the drill.  You shouldn't comment on 
anything you haven't personally ... er ... analized.

Best wishes,
Doug


-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
To: Adam <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sat, 3 May 2008 2:56 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Extra-solar material?




Good Candidate for Extra-Solar:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220231005786


I think this guy might be off his meds again.

Take Care,

Adam



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From majbaermann at web.de  Sun May  4 13:46:06 2008
From: majbaermann at web.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Matthias_B=E4rmann?=)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 19:46:06 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Extra-solar material?
References: <000501c8ae0d$57ad1d30$2002a8c0@lunatic>
Message-ID: <003101c8ae0e$baf25d00$2b01a8c0@ibmtp23>

That's a very, very interesting subject indeed - thanks a lot, Norbert!

My best,

Matthias


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Norbert Classen" <riffraff at timewarp.de>
To: <majbaermann at web.de>
Cc: "'Meteorite List'" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 7:36 PM
Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] Extra-solar material?


Hi Matthias, and All,

You asked:

> isn't presolar extrasolar too, in a certain sense?

Not necessarily, at least not how I understand it. I've read some abstracts
and papers that say, e.g., that not all presolar nano diamonds in Allende,
and other carbonaceous chondrites are considered to be of interstellar or
"extra-solar" origin. So some presolar grains are interstellar, and some or
not. However, interstellar grains found in meteorites should be considered
presolar as they would have to be incorporated into meteorites in the early
days of our own solar nebula. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

BTW, I found a few abstracts dealing with interstellar grains, i.e., real
"stardust" in primitive meteorites, carbonaceous chondrites, and IDPs
(Interplanetary Dust Particles). Here are three examples that show that some
meteorites contain real stardust, i.e., actual grains of novea, supernovae,
RGB (red giant branch), AGB (asymptotic giant branch), or Wolf-Rayet stars.
So, as I said before, we surely have plenty of "extra-solar"/interstellar
stuff in our collections, but just as microscopically small inclusions:

http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/510612
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1993Metic..28..490A
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1997ApJ...483..475N

Fascinating, isn't it? You will certainly view your Tieschitz, or your Acfer
094 with different eyes now ;-)

All the best,
Norbert

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----

Hi Norbert, list , -

isn't presolar extrasolar too, in a certain sense?

See f.e.: http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/Dec02/TagishLake.html

Best,

Matthias

----- Original Message -----

Hi Mark,

The nano diamonds in Allende CAI's are considered to be samples of
extra-solar origin; at least they show isotopic values that don't match with
any of the other values measured for materials of our solar system
(including meteorites).

I believe there were studies of other (Antarctic) carbonaceous chondrites
which also were shown to be from other systems, but right now I don't
remember the exact publication. Should have been in MAPS, but I would have
to look this up, first. Bernd: do you have an idea where I might have read
about it?

But as far as I know no meteorite as such has been considered as
"extra-solar", so far - these are always inclusions, and most of them are
microscopically small.

All the best,
Norbert

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----

I'm reading Paul Davies' "The Fifth Miracle". In chapter 6 it refers to the
1996 discovery by Taylor, Baggaley and Steel of inter-stellar dust particles
entering the earth's atmosphere in the form of fast (>
70-km/s) meteors:

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v380/n6572/abs/380323a0.html

It got me wondering as to whether there are any candidates for meteorites
which may be of extra-solar origin.  Are there any?  How would they be
identified - a suspiciously long CRE age would perhaps be one indicator?

Mark

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From MeteorHntr at aol.com  Sun May  4 16:08:26 2008
From: MeteorHntr at aol.com (MeteorHntr at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 16:08:26 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: The First Steve Arnold's Famous Ebay Discount
	Marathon
Message-ID: <c21.21d94873.354f71ba@aol.com>

Hello Guys,

Just a formal notice that I  have started listing things on my ebay store, in 
preparation of starting the  First Steve Arnold's Famous Ebay Discount 
Marathon. 

I started with 28  items, but 4 have already sold before I had a chance to 
discount them.   Humm, maybe I started those four too cheap???  Anyway, that is 
part of the  fun of it.  

I was going to wait until I got them ALL up so I could  lower them all at the 
same rate at the same time, but life is getting in the way  of me getting 
them all up.  So, I am starting it now.  In fact, later  tonight I will probably 
make the first round of discounts so the ball can get  rolling. 

I have about 300 items I could put up if I had the time, but I  will get more 
on as the next few days progress.

NOTICE:  Ebay gives  me a 75% refund on all the selling costs IF and ONLY IF 
a buyer comes to ebay  via my link (provided below).  As long as that browser 
window is open, and  you hit Buy It Now, it saves me a boat load of money.  
So, if there is ever  going to be a Second Steve Arnold's Famous Ebay Discount 
Marathon, much of it  will depend if all the effort is worth it.  And much of 
determining if  something is worth it, is how profitable this is for me.

So, if you can  FIRST book mark in your favorites, the following  URL:


http://stores.ebay.com/Steve-Arnold-Meteorites?refid=store  


THEN use that to go to the site in the future, you can help keep  this extra 
money in the meteorite community rather than in the Ebay Stock  shareholders 
community!   If you are thinking about buying the  $99,999.99 Becky Stone, then 
that will save me over $1,500 in fees on that one  lot alone.

Thanks for the consideration.

If you have any  questions, please contact me.

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From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Sun May  4 16:34:48 2008
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 13:34:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Quick and Dirty Parent Body List
In-Reply-To: <mailman.67.1209918167.46496.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <476968.14481.qm@web58410.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi folks!

Can someone help me compile a list of meteorite types
that originate from well-known asteroids and/or solar
system bodies.

For example, we have lunar and martian meteorites of
various types.  And angrite is under debate as
possibly
being from Mercury.  Diogenite is from asteroid Vesta.

Are there any other meteorite types that originate
from large, well-known asteroids?

Thanks in advance!

MikeG



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From mark at meteorites.cc  Sun May  4 16:42:16 2008
From: mark at meteorites.cc (Mark Crawford)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 21:42:16 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Quick and Dirty Parent Body List
In-Reply-To: <476968.14481.qm@web58410.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <476968.14481.qm@web58410.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <481E1FA8.8030004@meteorites.cc>

I've been trying to collate just such a list Mike, so I'm keen to see 
what comes back.  Here's my part-list so far - it's absolutely not to be 
considered definitive, but may spur further reading:

http://meteorites.cc/misc/cand-par.htm

Mark


Michael Gilmer wrote:
> Hi folks!
>
> Can someone help me compile a list of meteorite types
> that originate from well-known asteroids and/or solar
> system bodies.
>
> For example, we have lunar and martian meteorites of
> various types.  And angrite is under debate as
> possibly
> being from Mercury.  Diogenite is from asteroid Vesta.
>
> Are there any other meteorite types that originate
> from large, well-known asteroids?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> MikeG
>
>
>   


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From grf2 at verizon.net  Sun May  4 18:50:51 2008
From: grf2 at verizon.net (Jerry)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 18:50:51 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Quick and Dirty Parent Body List
In-Reply-To: <481E1FA8.8030004@meteorites.cc>
References: <476968.14481.qm@web58410.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<481E1FA8.8030004@meteorites.cc>
Message-ID: <BB9136BAE8284B0FA59D82C2A11E8967@Notebook>

Great summary Mark. It's helpful to see "all" the evidence in oneplace.
Jerry Flaherty
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Crawford" <mark at meteorites.cc>
To: "Michael Gilmer" <michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Quick and Dirty Parent Body List


> I've been trying to collate just such a list Mike, so I'm keen to see 
> what comes back.  Here's my part-list so far - it's absolutely not to be 
> considered definitive, but may spur further reading:
> 
> http://meteorites.cc/misc/cand-par.htm
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> Michael Gilmer wrote:
>> Hi folks!
>>
>> Can someone help me compile a list of meteorite types
>> that originate from well-known asteroids and/or solar
>> system bodies.
>>
>> For example, we have lunar and martian meteorites of
>> various types.  And angrite is under debate as
>> possibly
>> being from Mercury.  Diogenite is from asteroid Vesta.
>>
>> Are there any other meteorite types that originate
>> from large, well-known asteroids?
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>>
>> MikeG
>>
>>
>>   
> 
> 
> -- 
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> 
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From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Sun May  4 19:08:34 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 16:08:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] One final request and warning.
Message-ID: <804656.90400.qm@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

List members, I am sorry to bring this up, but it is
reaching critical mass.
For the last two days, since I blocked all of Randall
Gregory's email addresses, it seems he has been
working on overtime on the stupid Living in Peru
website. He is posting nasty posts about me, posting
things under ROBERT HAAG and Michael Farmer and John
Humphries and many other names. I just spoke to Haag,
who is upset that this is going on, Randall is telling
these people that I am posting using their names.
Everyone on this list, I have no doubt, is aware that
I speak my mind openly (sometimes to my own
detriment). I have no need to waste my time playing
games, I am just a tad busy this week. 
ANYONE, and I mean anyone, please, I am not posting
using any name, I am not posting bad things to any
personal websites as has been done in my name, I want
everyone to IGNORE this freak.
I must come on here in public to deny all of these
things that are being done, posted, emailed or
suggested in my name.
I am open to all suggestions/advice/tactics to get
this tick off of my ass. Ticks can be annoying, but
ignored they can get infected, which is where this
Randall thing is headed. I am at my wits end on this
one.
Again, ANYTHING posted in my name is not from me,
please email or call me if you get something
purporting to be from me other than direct email. 
As a community, we need to stick together and rid
ourselves of this guy, who is trying everything to
tear us apart as a friendly group.
Michael Farmer

From grf2 at verizon.net  Sun May  4 20:13:43 2008
From: grf2 at verizon.net (Jerry)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 20:13:43 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] One final request and warning.
In-Reply-To: <804656.90400.qm@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <804656.90400.qm@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CDFBC2A6D3774044A3DDA24D15EA9DF2@Notebook>

Sorry for you continued trouble Mike. Persevere. You're a known entity. This 
List knows who you are!
Jerry Flaherty
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Farmer" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 7:08 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] One final request and warning.


> List members, I am sorry to bring this up, but it is
> reaching critical mass.
> For the last two days, since I blocked all of Randall
> Gregory's email addresses, it seems he has been
> working on overtime on the stupid Living in Peru
> website. He is posting nasty posts about me, posting
> things under ROBERT HAAG and Michael Farmer and John
> Humphries and many other names. I just spoke to Haag,
> who is upset that this is going on, Randall is telling
> these people that I am posting using their names.
> Everyone on this list, I have no doubt, is aware that
> I speak my mind openly (sometimes to my own
> detriment). I have no need to waste my time playing
> games, I am just a tad busy this week.
> ANYONE, and I mean anyone, please, I am not posting
> using any name, I am not posting bad things to any
> personal websites as has been done in my name, I want
> everyone to IGNORE this freak.
> I must come on here in public to deny all of these
> things that are being done, posted, emailed or
> suggested in my name.
> I am open to all suggestions/advice/tactics to get
> this tick off of my ass. Ticks can be annoying, but
> ignored they can get infected, which is where this
> Randall thing is headed. I am at my wits end on this
> one.
> Again, ANYTHING posted in my name is not from me,
> please email or call me if you get something
> purporting to be from me other than direct email.
> As a community, we need to stick together and rid
> ourselves of this guy, who is trying everything to
> tear us apart as a friendly group.
> Michael Farmer
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From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Sun May  4 20:55:27 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 17:55:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Abnormal Psychology - Psychosis, delusions,
	paranoia, wit's end
Message-ID: <242949.1944.qm@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The emails continue, I cant block him fast enough.
Anyone doubt that this man is clinically insane? See
the subject, no message, just the subject.


I also contacted the Skyrock Cafe, and Joe Kerchner
told me he would remove the offensive posts by Randall
and evict him from the site.
Michael Farmer


--- "Dr. Richard (Dick) Daniels"
<dr.richard.daniels at gmail.com> wrote:

> Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 19:47:25 -0500
> From: "Dr. Richard (Dick) Daniels"
> <dr.richard.daniels at gmail.com>
> To: "Michael Farmer" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Abnormal Psychology - PARANOIA
> 
> 





--- "Dr. Richard (Dick) Daniels"
<dr.richard.daniels at gmail.com> wrote:

> Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 19:49:46 -0500
> From: "Dr. Richard (Dick) Daniels"
> <dr.richard.daniels at gmail.com>
> To: "Michael Farmer" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Abnormal Psychology - Psychosis, delusions,
> paranoia, wit's end
> 
> 
> 


From mstreman53 at yahoo.com  Sun May  4 23:34:13 2008
From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 20:34:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ordovician Meteorites...was New or maybe old
	QUESTION???
In-Reply-To: <933793.35328.qm@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <136242.76499.qm@web51010.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I believe the paleo meteorites we are thinking about were found in a limestone quarry of Ordovician age in Kinnekulle, Sweden.  If memory serves, only after the tiles containing the meteorites had been polished and installed in a building were they identified for what they were. Scientist went back to the quarry and found more in a narrow layer.  There is also a citation for a 10cm meteorite found in Brunflo. "The first fossil meteorite found in ancient sediments was Brunflo, a heavily altered 10 cm chondrite found in Ordovician limestone (Thorslund et al., 1981)" Perhaps someone can reconcile this.

The Ordovician period was 488.3?1.7 to 443.7?1.5 mya. As explained below, a disruption of the L parent body around 500mya lead to a bombardment on Earth during Ordovician's early to mid epochs(470mya?).  The bombardment is thought to be the cause of the great diversification of life forms during that time.  It was also an ice age on earth and impact influence on the climate hasn't been ruled out.

The Cincinnati Arch and the Nashville Dome are Ordovician geological units, composed of very fossiliferous limestones as they were  shallow seas during the time of deposition. The uniform shallow depth could be advantageous for preservation.

When collecting fossils from Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky and, Tennessee, one should keep an eye out for meteorite shaped rocks amongst all the brachiopods, bryozoans and trilobites. Fallback breccia from a blasted reef has been found from the Oneota Formation, Glover's Bluff, Wisconsin.

Who knows-- trilobites might have evolved eyes on stalks just to keep a better lookout given all the rocks falling out of the sky.
Elton

Here are some blurbs from Uncle Google:

Discovery of a second Ordovician meteorite using chromite as a tracer.

The small number of known fossil meteorites owe their discovery to the preservation of a characteristic composition or structure. These features are easily changed beyond recognition by diagenesis and other processes at low temperature after a meteorite becomes incorporated into sediments, because the meteoritic minerals are generally susceptible to even weak alteration. The mineral chromite, however, is an exception. Here we report the finding of a strongly altered fossil stony meteorite identified by the composition of its relic chromite, and suggest that chromite chemistry can be used as a basis for a systematic search for fossil meteorites.
 AND:
Abundant fossil meteorites in marine, condensed Lower Ordovician limestones from Kinnekulle, Sweden, indicate that accretion rates of meteorites were one to two orders of magnitude higher during an interval of the Early Ordovician than at present. Osmium isotope and iridium analyses of whole-rock limestone indicate a coeval enhancement of one order of magnitude in the influx rate of cosmic dust. Enhanced accretion of cosmic matter may be related to the disruption of the L chondrite parent body around 500 million years ago.

AND: From
<http://www.fossilmuseum.net/Fossil_Galleries/Stromatolites/DS612/Stromatolites61.htm>
This is unique stromatolite called impact fallback breccia. Coming from the Lower Ordovician, it is also very young, from a time when stromatolitic reefs no longer dominated the planet's marginal marine environments. Note the heterogeneous patterning with sharp and angular fragments of various size embedded in the reddish matrix. This beautiful pattern was formed during the so-called Glover's Bluff meteorite strike during the Ordovician; a fragment from the same meteor also struck in near Elm Rock Illinois, forming a mile-wide crater. The meteor that struck what is now the Oneota formation plowed through the stromatolite reef deep into the earth, spewing molten rock upward, with everything eventually falling back to earth, with one result being the "fallback impact breccia" seen here. It seems certain that the living stromatolite would have been decimated. 



From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Mon May  5 03:14:23 2008
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 02:14:23 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ordovician Meteorites...was New or maybe
	oldQUESTION???
References: <136242.76499.qm@web51010.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <136801c8ae7f$a546f670$db45e146@ATARIENGINE>

Hi, E-Man, List,

    I posted this in snippet form the night subject came up:

> There are fossil meteorites from limestone in Sweden
> that date to the Ordovician -- 440-480 million years ago.
> http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/Mar04/fossilMeteorites.html

    The real hot news in the PSRD paper is the estimate infall
rate for the Ordovician L chondrites that fossilized is estimated
to have been 120 +/-50 TIMES (not percent) greater than the
present infall rate.

    Got a steel umbrella? The fossil layers cover several million
years. The timing fits the biggest breakup in the last billion years,
the disruption of the parent body of the Flora family (with 800
asteroidal members). It was the parent body of the L chondrites
which even now, a half billion years later, comprise 50% of all
falls on Earth.

    85% of those L chondrites show shock features that all date
from the same time: 465 +/-15 million years ago. The limestone
quarry's oldest fossil meteorites have short CRE dates, meaning
they fell shortly after some breakup and didn't spend much time
wandering around in space. The younger layers are older. The
high fall rate persisted for 2 million years, so it wasn't one shower.

    That breakup may not have been the initial breakup. There
is evidence of a bigger breakup at around 570-540 million years ago
(higher cratering rates throughout the inner solar system).
http://www.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/Archive/lunar-spherule.html
    "The data published by this team show that the impact
cratering rate had dropped steadily until the unexpected rise
when the impact rate returned to the same levels as 3.5 billion
years ago. The sudden increase coincides with the "Cambrian
explosion," a period in which life on Earth took off with a
dramatic burst in the number and diversity of species."

    Lots of nice graphs of cratering rates in this:
http://muller.lbl.gov/papers/Lunar_impacts_Nemesis.pdf
(You can forget the Nemesis parts if you want; they're
a footnote to the cratering rates, his explanation for the
high cratering rate.)

    It was a busy time. A one-hundred-fold increase in
meteorites, five ice ages in 100 million years, one of them
the worst in Earth history ("Snowball Earth"), massive
breakups of major bodies, the complete re-surfacing of
Venus (surface age 480 million years). And all tektites
have an original Rb/Sr melt date of 440-480 million years
ago. All just a coincidence, of course...

    And BTW, Glover's Bluff and Elm Rock craters are in
Wisconsin, not Illinois. (I know you're just quoting the guy.)
Not to worry. The Glover's Bluff crater trace is a quarry
and it'll be gone soon... The Kentland crater is a quarry too,
and so is Crooked Creek. Maybe what we need to do to
find Ordovician crater sites is map quarries?


Sterling  K. Webb
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mr EMan" <mstreman53 at yahoo.com>
To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 10:34 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ordovician Meteorites...was New or maybe 
oldQUESTION???


I believe the paleo meteorites we are thinking about were found in a 
limestone quarry of Ordovician age in Kinnekulle, Sweden.  If memory serves, 
only after the tiles containing the meteorites had been polished and 
installed in a building were they identified for what they were. Scientist 
went back to the quarry and found more in a narrow layer.  There is also a 
citation for a 10cm meteorite found in Brunflo. "The first fossil meteorite 
found in ancient sediments was Brunflo, a heavily altered 10 cm chondrite 
found in Ordovician limestone (Thorslund et al., 1981)" Perhaps someone can 
reconcile this.

The Ordovician period was 488.3?1.7 to 443.7?1.5 mya. As explained below, a 
disruption of the L parent body around 500mya lead to a bombardment on Earth 
during Ordovician's early to mid epochs(470mya?).  The bombardment is 
thought to be the cause of the great diversification of life forms during 
that time.  It was also an ice age on earth and impact influence on the 
climate hasn't been ruled out.

The Cincinnati Arch and the Nashville Dome are Ordovician geological units, 
composed of very fossiliferous limestones as they were  shallow seas during 
the time of deposition. The uniform shallow depth could be advantageous for 
preservation.

When collecting fossils from Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky and, Tennessee, one 
should keep an eye out for meteorite shaped rocks amongst all the 
brachiopods, bryozoans and trilobites. Fallback breccia from a blasted reef 
has been found from the Oneota Formation, Glover's Bluff, Wisconsin.

Who knows-- trilobites might have evolved eyes on stalks just to keep a 
better lookout given all the rocks falling out of the sky.
Elton

Here are some blurbs from Uncle Google:

Discovery of a second Ordovician meteorite using chromite as a tracer.

The small number of known fossil meteorites owe their discovery to the 
preservation of a characteristic composition or structure. These features 
are easily changed beyond recognition by diagenesis and other processes at 
low temperature after a meteorite becomes incorporated into sediments, 
because the meteoritic minerals are generally susceptible to even weak 
alteration. The mineral chromite, however, is an exception. Here we report 
the finding of a strongly altered fossil stony meteorite identified by the 
composition of its relic chromite, and suggest that chromite chemistry can 
be used as a basis for a systematic search for fossil meteorites.
 AND:
Abundant fossil meteorites in marine, condensed Lower Ordovician limestones 
from Kinnekulle, Sweden, indicate that accretion rates of meteorites were 
one to two orders of magnitude higher during an interval of the Early 
Ordovician than at present. Osmium isotope and iridium analyses of 
whole-rock limestone indicate a coeval enhancement of one order of magnitude 
in the influx rate of cosmic dust. Enhanced accretion of cosmic matter may 
be related to the disruption of the L chondrite parent body around 500 
million years ago.

AND: From
<http://www.fossilmuseum.net/Fossil_Galleries/Stromatolites/DS612/Stromatolites61.htm>
This is unique stromatolite called impact fallback breccia. Coming from the 
Lower Ordovician, it is also very young, from a time when stromatolitic 
reefs no longer dominated the planet's marginal marine environments. Note 
the heterogeneous patterning with sharp and angular fragments of various 
size embedded in the reddish matrix. This beautiful pattern was formed 
during the so-called Glover's Bluff meteorite strike during the Ordovician; 
a fragment from the same meteor also struck in near Elm Rock Illinois, 
forming a mile-wide crater. The meteor that struck what is now the Oneota 
formation plowed through the stromatolite reef deep into the earth, spewing 
molten rock upward, with everything eventually falling back to earth, with 
one result being the "fallback impact breccia" seen here. It seems certain 
that the living stromatolite would have been decimated.


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From cojack at tiscali.it  Mon May  5 03:21:54 2008
From: cojack at tiscali.it (Moser Francesco)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 09:21:54 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: DaG670 martian shergottite fragments - Mali
	Fully Crusted
Message-ID: <003401c8ae80$b28e5b60$0200a8c0@FISSO>

 Hi All!
 
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<><><><>
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From entropydave at ntlworld.com  Mon May  5 04:01:43 2008
From: entropydave at ntlworld.com (Dave Harris)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 09:01:43 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] pet microscope!
Message-ID: <00c501c8ae86$437e23d0$020aa8c0@pitstoppc>

Thanks for your help and great links I've been sent - seems I am not alone 
in finding this a complex field!
Now I have to go from psychedelia to sensible science!

thanks!


dave
IMCA #0092
Sec.BIMS.
www.bimsociety.org


From info at meteorites.com.au  Mon May  5 05:04:33 2008
From: info at meteorites.com.au (Jeff Kuyken)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 19:04:33 +1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Quick and Dirty Parent Body List
In-Reply-To: <476968.14481.qm@web58410.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <476968.14481.qm@web58410.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D2730FF85DAF49DA850D889F0A0E60D9@JeffPC>

Hi Mike,

Here's one I've been adding to occasionally over the years:

http://www.meteorites.com.au/odds&ends/origin.html

Cheers,

Jeff


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Gilmer" <michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 6:34 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Quick and Dirty Parent Body List


> Hi folks!
>
> Can someone help me compile a list of meteorite types
> that originate from well-known asteroids and/or solar
> system bodies.
>
> For example, we have lunar and martian meteorites of
> various types.  And angrite is under debate as
> possibly
> being from Mercury.  Diogenite is from asteroid Vesta.
>
> Are there any other meteorite types that originate
> from large, well-known asteroids?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> MikeG
>
>
>
> .........................................................
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> Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
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> ..........................................................
>
>
>
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From SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com  Mon May  5 05:51:00 2008
From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com (SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 05:51:00 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 5, 2008
Message-ID: <c2a.259fa263.35503284@aol.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/May_5_2008.html  




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From mexicodoug at aim.com  Mon May  5 08:29:23 2008
From: mexicodoug at aim.com (mexicodoug at aim.com)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 08:29:23 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tatahouine Connoisseurs' Guide
Message-ID: <8CA7CC2C8B18EE8-129C-410F@FWM-M14.sysops.aol.com>

Dear Listees,

As I went through my specimens of Tatahouine all night; I just got that 
old lovin' feeling all over again.  I thought I would share some 
personal opinions regarding this incredible green meteorite, with the 
benefit of having looked at several kilos of material over the years.  
They are personal opinions, though, so please understand opinions don't 
always agree.

Here's what I wanted to share:

There are incredible natural telltale impact signs of on Tatahouine.  
In general the locality should not be polished, as these valuable signs 
may be erased.  Of course some people may like to do this to enhance 
looks orundrstand shock veining, but my personal opinion, nice pieces 
are rare and contain the history of the meteorite written delicately in 
the tiny markings.  Like a quartz crystal, the meteorite can be 
cut...but...  At the mineral shows this is a common practice with big 
quartz to make faux crystals that look cool.  It's a personal decision. 
  Next, be wary of frequent claims of Tatahouine meteorites with fusion 
crust.  The same telltale signatures of crystal cleavage that show 
impact, also show it impossible for fusion crust to have formed in many 
places claimed with a little common sense.  Tatahouine crust is 
brownish-black, and very matte finished, and quite thick and a little 
crumb-like.  Don't ask me to explain crumb-like, that is just what I 
think when I see it.  And it's quite obvious once you've seen it one 
time.  If it is thin and shiny, and blue-black it is not what I 
consider fusion crust.  I believe it to be chromite and/or Iron Sulfide 
inclusions.  Whether they may have melted during entry or along crystal 
boundaries due to other energy inputs, no comment, just that the 
authentic fusion crust is completely differently textured.  But many 
will call this fusion crust.  For me this is almost a moot point, there 
is so little.  Though, whatever it is, it is a nice feature to have.  
But there are plent more much more interesting features once you get 
into it, that these shiny black features are no where near the top of 
my list.   But I would stress it is not fusion crust.  Fusion crust 
invariably occurs, when it so very rarely does, on a powdery surface 
which is smoothes (Don't clean or polish even if no crust!).  Other 
interesting features in Tatahouine are chromite inclusions as well as 
Iron Sulfide.  You can have a few specs of what looks to be metal 
flakes built right into the crystal lattice.  These are big crystals - 
the biggest of any stony meteorite to my knowledge.  I've seen one 6 cm 
long!  I just saw one specimen with a step-work lamilar crystal 
fracturare pattern that blew my mind, also another with a blob of some 
sort of metal contain gunk (or what - I don't know).  Even shattercone 
hairlines are pronounced in some specimens.

Did you know that the study of Tatahouine was what nailed the coffin 
shut on the Allan Hills 84001 meteorite not having fossil Martian life 
forms?  It's because the same structures were observed to have 
developed in meteorites recovered in 1994, compared to the original 
material recovered a short time after the fall...

Best wishes,
Doug

From mexicodoug at aim.com  Mon May  5 08:40:27 2008
From: mexicodoug at aim.com (mexicodoug at aim.com)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 08:40:27 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] (Do-you-mind?) Djoumine
Message-ID: <8CA7CC454E02C34-129C-41ED@FWM-M14.sysops.aol.com>

Dear Friends, Collectors and Listees,

While we're on the subject of how to pronounce meteorite localities, 
may I submit the following tidbit:

Pronunciation: Djoumine (H5-6 breccia, S3, fell October 31, 1999, 
Banzart, Tunisia)

maybe to rhyme with:
Halloween

or,

"Did-you-mean?"

alternately:

"Do you mind?"

and alternately:

"Your Mine"

:. The potential is limitless :)

Best wishjes,
Doug




From mexicodoug at aim.com  Mon May  5 09:26:41 2008
From: mexicodoug at aim.com (mexicodoug at aim.com)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 09:26:41 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] BIG TATAHOUINE BLOWOUT 20% OFF
Message-ID: <8CA7CCAC681EA35-B38-2BD@FWM-M14.sysops.aol.com>

Dear Discerning Collectors, Friends and Listees,

The web page is together for the BIG TATAHOUINE SALE of ONE POUND (over 
450 grams) of specimens!

Yes, Yah, Si, Oui, Da da da da: One Pound :)  - Like a museum gallery 
omline!

Please allow me to invite you to:
The annual TATAHOUINE (achondrite diogenite) sale :)
with a guest appearance by Djoumine H5-6, the Halloween meteorite!
(get 40% of the 5 witnessed falls of Tunisia just like that!)

Tatahouine, the green crystal and Star Wars meteorite, is complemented 
with its fellow countrymeteorite Djoumine, an extraterrestrial breccia 
of H5 and H6 that fell ... of course, on Halloween ... (A "Tatahouine 
Halloween", on Vesta, Mexican style, B.Y.O. Lightsaber)

www.diogenite.com/t1ns.htm (Silent version)
www.diogenite.com/t1.htm (Enjoy lovely fantasy music as you browse)

Why sell the farm?

HAPPY ASTRONOMY WEEK 2008, it starts today!
HAPPY (FELIZ) CINCO DE MAYO (Mexican holiday May 5),
 and personal respects to Happsy Empereror Maximillian!
HAPPY HALLOWEEN!???
HAPPY TATAHOUINE!!!
Plus this is way too ET paradise to hoard for one person, I simply 
can't keep it.

As an added incentive since my time is limited and I was late in 
getting it together, I've discounted everything on the page 20% of the 
already decent deals...(discounted prices are marked in red) to get 
some of you off the fence with this exquisite crystalline meteorite!!!

Enjoy the dozens of pieces, lots of real gems among them!  Even if you 
are just browsing please come.  And BYOL...

www.diogenite.com/t1ns.htm (Silent version)
www.diogenite.com/t1.htm (Enjoy lovely fantasy music as you browse)

Best Health,
Doug



From grf2 at verizon.net  Mon May  5 10:38:29 2008
From: grf2 at verizon.net (Jerry)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 10:38:29 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ordovician Meteorites...was New or maybe
 oldQUESTION???
In-Reply-To: <136242.76499.qm@web51010.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <136242.76499.qm@web51010.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7C307C3D884042858BE55F153192CD88@Notebook>

Great post Elton. It's almost reassurng to know that processes continue the 
origins of which can be trace back so definitively and aged with such 
certainty.
Jerry Flaherty
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mr EMan" <mstreman53 at yahoo.com>
To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 11:34 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ordovician Meteorites...was New or maybe 
oldQUESTION???


I believe the paleo meteorites we are thinking about were found in a 
limestone quarry of Ordovician age in Kinnekulle, Sweden.  If memory serves, 
only after the tiles containing the meteorites had been polished and 
installed in a building were they identified for what they were. Scientist 
went back to the quarry and found more in a narrow layer.  There is also a 
citation for a 10cm meteorite found in Brunflo. "The first fossil meteorite 
found in ancient sediments was Brunflo, a heavily altered 10 cm chondrite 
found in Ordovician limestone (Thorslund et al., 1981)" Perhaps someone can 
reconcile this.

The Ordovician period was 488.3?1.7 to 443.7?1.5 mya. As explained below, a 
disruption of the L parent body around 500mya lead to a bombardment on Earth 
during Ordovician's early to mid epochs(470mya?).  The bombardment is 
thought to be the cause of the great diversification of life forms during 
that time.  It was also an ice age on earth and impact influence on the 
climate hasn't been ruled out.

The Cincinnati Arch and the Nashville Dome are Ordovician geological units, 
composed of very fossiliferous limestones as they were  shallow seas during 
the time of deposition. The uniform shallow depth could be advantageous for 
preservation.

When collecting fossils from Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky and, Tennessee, one 
should keep an eye out for meteorite shaped rocks amongst all the 
brachiopods, bryozoans and trilobites. Fallback breccia from a blasted reef 
has been found from the Oneota Formation, Glover's Bluff, Wisconsin.

Who knows-- trilobites might have evolved eyes on stalks just to keep a 
better lookout given all the rocks falling out of the sky.
Elton

Here are some blurbs from Uncle Google:

Discovery of a second Ordovician meteorite using chromite as a tracer.

The small number of known fossil meteorites owe their discovery to the 
preservation of a characteristic composition or structure. These features 
are easily changed beyond recognition by diagenesis and other processes at 
low temperature after a meteorite becomes incorporated into sediments, 
because the meteoritic minerals are generally susceptible to even weak 
alteration. The mineral chromite, however, is an exception. Here we report 
the finding of a strongly altered fossil stony meteorite identified by the 
composition of its relic chromite, and suggest that chromite chemistry can 
be used as a basis for a systematic search for fossil meteorites.
 AND:
Abundant fossil meteorites in marine, condensed Lower Ordovician limestones 
from Kinnekulle, Sweden, indicate that accretion rates of meteorites were 
one to two orders of magnitude higher during an interval of the Early 
Ordovician than at present. Osmium isotope and iridium analyses of 
whole-rock limestone indicate a coeval enhancement of one order of magnitude 
in the influx rate of cosmic dust. Enhanced accretion of cosmic matter may 
be related to the disruption of the L chondrite parent body around 500 
million years ago.

AND: From
<http://www.fossilmuseum.net/Fossil_Galleries/Stromatolites/DS612/Stromatolites61.htm>
This is unique stromatolite called impact fallback breccia. Coming from the 
Lower Ordovician, it is also very young, from a time when stromatolitic 
reefs no longer dominated the planet's marginal marine environments. Note 
the heterogeneous patterning with sharp and angular fragments of various 
size embedded in the reddish matrix. This beautiful pattern was formed 
during the so-called Glover's Bluff meteorite strike during the Ordovician; 
a fragment from the same meteor also struck in near Elm Rock Illinois, 
forming a mile-wide crater. The meteor that struck what is now the Oneota 
formation plowed through the stromatolite reef deep into the earth, spewing 
molten rock upward, with everything eventually falling back to earth, with 
one result being the "fallback impact breccia" seen here. It seems certain 
that the living stromatolite would have been decimated.


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From star-bits at tx.rr.com  Mon May  5 12:01:28 2008
From: star-bits at tx.rr.com (star-bits at tx.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 12:01:28 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ordovician Meteorites...was New or maybe
 oldQUESTION???
Message-ID: <9482774.589641210003288824.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web28-z01>

---- "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

<And all tektites have an original Rb/Sr melt date of 440-480 million years 
ago. All just a coincidence, of course... >

Where does this information come from?   It does not seem even remotely possible.   No tektites are this old.    All tektites originated as melted terrestrial material.   How do you postulate a "melt date" which precedes a later melting?   You can't even get a date by backing out the Rb/Sr from the known terrestrial impacted material because the SE Asia impact site is not known.   

Additionally this means that all tektite forming impacts were L chondrites, no irons, no H chondrites, no carbonaceous etc.   This is certainly possible but seems unlikely.   Whether a tektite is formed depends on the impacted material and not on the composition of the impactor.

 --
Eric Olson
7682 Firethorn Dr
Fayetteville, NC 28311

http://www.star-bits.com

From star-bits at tx.rr.com  Mon May  5 12:27:09 2008
From: star-bits at tx.rr.com (star-bits at tx.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 12:27:09 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad - eBay auctions closing shortly
Message-ID: <1331166.10831210004829188.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web02-z02>

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From mikewren at gilanet.com  Mon May  5 12:20:50 2008
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 10:20:50 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Double Reverse Auctions this week.. all
	started at 0.99 cents!
Message-ID: <200805051024114.SM00636@yourfsyly0jtwn>

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From cojack at tiscali.it  Mon May  5 13:18:50 2008
From: cojack at tiscali.it (Moser Francesco)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 19:18:50 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lampiayrie and Mali classification...any news?
Message-ID: <001901c8aed4$16b6d600$0200a8c0@FISSO>

Hi all,
there's someone that could give me some news about the classification of the 
Lampiayrie and the Mali / Erg Chech meteorites??
Thanks a lot!

Ciao

<><><><>
Francesco Moser
http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/
IMCA #1510 www.imca.cc


From riffraff at timewarp.de  Mon May  5 13:30:46 2008
From: riffraff at timewarp.de (Norbert Classen)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 19:30:46 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lampiayrie and Mali classification...any news?
In-Reply-To: <001901c8aed4$16b6d600$0200a8c0@FISSO>
Message-ID: <000001c8aed5$c35a6f10$2002a8c0@lunatic>

Hi Francesco,

You asked:

> there's someone that could give me some news about the 
> classification of the Lampiayrie and the Mali / Erg Chech 
> meteorites??

Look at yesterday's MetBull-Database update :-))

http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=47347

Chergach should be the "Mali" fall, right?

Best,
Norbert


From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Mon May  5 13:39:05 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 10:39:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lampiayrie and Mali classification...any news?
In-Reply-To: <000001c8aed5$c35a6f10$2002a8c0@lunatic>
Message-ID: <206294.55846.qm@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

How did you find that particular meteorite? The
bulletin is not yet ready and I would like to see all
the new meteorites.
Mike
--- Norbert Classen <riffraff at timewarp.de> wrote:

> Hi Francesco,
> 
> You asked:
> 
> > there's someone that could give me some news about
> the 
> > classification of the Lampiayrie and the Mali /
> Erg Chech 
> > meteorites??
> 
> Look at yesterday's MetBull-Database update :-))
> 
> http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=47347
> 
> Chergach should be the "Mali" fall, right?
> 
> Best,
> Norbert
> 
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From 3l at comhem.se  Mon May  5 13:55:36 2008
From: 3l at comhem.se (Lasse Lindh)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 19:55:36 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Thanks for over 100,000 views on youtube!!!
In-Reply-To: <795571.83262.qm@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <795571.83262.qm@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <481F4A18.2010305@comhem.se>

Thanks Ruben for making these videos. I have enjoyed them all many 
times. I look forward to see more meteorite videos from you.

Thanks

Lasse


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> last year.
>
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From STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com  Mon May  5 15:14:01 2008
From: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com (STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 15:14:01 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Microscopes and micrographs   (I'm moving)
Message-ID: <cab.2a197536.3550b679@aol.com>

Hi list,  Paul should have the May  Meteorite Times up real soon.  I do a 
little thing called Micro  Visions.  It is usually just a few cool shots of the 
latest material I was  working with.  This May issue I covered microscopes.  I 
show different  kinds of microscopes and the images you can get from them.

It is not a  pitch for "one brand is better than an other" or any thing 
preachy like  that.  Just what type will give you these results, sort of  thing.

Last month was on using the quarter wave plate (retardation plate)  from a 
Sony Play Station III Blue Ray Disk Reader in thin section  examination.  If you 
didn't check it out just hit back issues and then  April.  It is worth the 
time.

Anyway,  I like to get emails and  to answer them but I am heading out with a 
truck tomorrow morning.  Back to  Idaho.  The place that is shown in Martin 
Horejsi's From The Strewn Fields  article in August 2006 Meteorite Magazine.  
We gave Nashville, Tennessee a  try but...   I took 4 truck loads out so I 
imagine it will be 4 to get  back.

I won't be able to answer emails with any timeliness.  I will  try and catch 
up every couple weeks for a while and I didn't want anyone to  think I was 
being rude or didn't want to talk.

Since Martin moved to  Montana, I don't know of too many list members in the 
area of South East  Idaho.  I am practically in Salt Lake City (2 hours).  Is 
any one in  the area who likes to cut rocks, hunt rocks, polish rocks, look at 
rocks or just  talk about rocks?  

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From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Mon May  5 15:52:56 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 12:52:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rovers Update - April 18-30, 2008
Message-ID: <200805051952.MAA28685@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html

SPIRIT UPDATE:  "Catch-22":  Staying Awake vs. Going to Sleep - 
sol 1532-1538, April 24-30, 2008:

Spirit's Tau measurements of atmospheric dust have remained steady, but
solar array input has dropped a bit to 235 watt-hours per sol. Spirit
still has enough energy to squeeze in Moessbauer studies of iron-bearing
minerals at a time of year when the rover's handlers expected Spirit to
be concerned only with survival. At present, the rover's target of
scientific interest is a soil exposure nicknamed after Arthur C. Harmon,
a former Tuskegee airman. Spirit conducted 8 more hours of Moessbauer
integration, for a total of 12 hours. Scientists hope the rover will be
able to collect 36 more hours' worth of data from the same target.
Meanwhile, Spirit continued to acquire panoramic-camera images, using
all 13 color filters, of the "Bonestell panorama," informally named in
honor of famed space artist Chesley Bonestell.

Concerned that cold winter temperatures on Mars might trigger the
survival heaters on the rover electronics module, rover planners took
the extra precaution of disabling those particular heaters on sol 1533
(April 25, 2008) to conserve power. With the heaters turned off, the
rover's handlers must monitor temperatures carefully to make sure the
module doesn't get too cold. Besides the survival heaters, the remaining
means of keeping the module warm enough during the night is to generate
more heat during the day by keeping the rover awake for about one
additional hour. Of late, 39 minutes is the shortest possible awake time
for conducting minimal activities. Another 20-plus minutes of awake time
are needed on days when the rover transmits data to NASA's Odyssey
orbiter during its overhead pass. On other sols, rover planners may
arbitrarily increase the rover's awake time to 50 minutes or longer to
generate enough heat to keep the electronics module alive, even if
science activities do not require Spirit to be awake that long.

In summary, the challenge for Spirit's handlers during each planning
cycle is to recharge the battery enough to do significant science, then
recharge the battery again to transmit data to Odyssey for downlink to
Earth. By keeping the rover awake for shorter periods, they conserve
energy but generate less thermal inertia (heat) for keeping the rover
electronics module alive. The more consecutive sols that go by without
transmitting temperature and power updates to Odyssey and from there to
Earth, the more Spirit's handlers must rely on margin ("wiggle room")
from earlier predictions and keep the rover awake longer to protect the
electronics module. As a result, Spirit is caught in a "catch-22" set of
tradeoffs among power, heat, communications, and science. This delicate
balance will become increasingly more precarious as the rover moves
closer to the winter solstice, with its even colder temperatures and
lower solar array input.

Sol-by-sol summary:

In addition to measuring atmospheric dust levels with the panoramic
camera and receiving direct-from-Earth instructions via the rover's
high-gain antenna, Spirit completed the following activities:

Sol 1532 (April 24, 2008): Spirit spent 8 hours acquiring data from
Arthur C. Harmon with the Moessbauer spectrometer.

Sol 1533: In the morning, Spirit took spot images of the sky with the
panoramic camera for calibration purposes and acquired panoramic-camera
images of the dune field known as "El Dorado." The rover recharged the
battery, disabled the survival heaters on the rover electronics module,
and shortened the "Up_Too_Long" computer sequence to 30 minutes.

Sol 1534: Spirit recharged the battery and relayed data to NASA's
Odyssey orbiter for transmission to Earth.

Sol 1535: Spirit recharged the battery.

Sol 1536: Spirit recharged the battery and relayed data to the Odyssey
orbiter. The rover checked for drift (changes with time) in the
miniature thermal emission spectrometer and surveyed the sky and ground
with the instrument. The rover was awake for a total of 61 minutes.

Sol 1537: In the morning, Spirit acquired full-color images, using all
13 filters of the panoramic camera, of column 12, part 2 of the
Bonestell panorama. The rover recharged the battery, checked for drift
in the miniature thermal emission spectrometer, and surveyed the sky and
ground with the miniature thermal emission spectrometer. Spirit was
awake for a total of 39 minutes.

Sol 1538 (April 30, 2008): Spirit checked for drift in the miniature
thermal emission spectrometer and surveyed the sky and ground with the
instrument. After sending data to Odyssey, the rover used the
alpha-particle X-ray spectrometer to measure argon gas in the Martian
atmosphere. Plans for the next morning called for Spirit to complete
work on column 12, part 3 of the Bonestell panorama.

Odometry:

As of sol 1538 (April 30, 2008), Spirit's total odometry remained at
7,528.0 meters (4.7 miles).

------------------------------------------------------------------------

OPPORTUNITY UPDATE:  Opportunity Investigates Arthritic Joint - 
sol 1505-1510, April 18-23, 2008:

Opportunity is healthy and all subsystems are performing as expected,
with the exception of the Instrument Deployment Device (the robotic
arm). Power has improved slightly during the last week, primarily as the
result of a better state of charge in the batteries. Given the recent
difficulties with the robotic arm, the rover hasn't been using the
batteries as much as usual. Energy has averaged about 380 watt-hours
(almost enough energy to light four 100-watt bulbs for one hour).

Tau, a measure of direct sunlight (and thus of dust in the atmosphere)
has been fairly steady at 0.62, meaning that about half the sunlight
streaming through the atmosphere of Mars reaches the ground. The rest is
either absorbed or scattered. Like direct sunlight, scattered light
generates power. Absorbed sunlight does not.

Opportunity's dust factor has been fairly steady at 0.7, meaning that
about 70 percent of the sunlight hitting the solar arrays penetrates the
dust layer to make electricity.

In mid-may (May 12, 2008), Mars will reach aphelion, its farthest point
from the Sun. At that time it will be 249 million kilometers (155
million miles) from the Sun, about 1.6 times farther from the Sun than
Earth ever gets.

On June 25, 2008, Opportunity will enter the winter solstice. This is
the date when the Sun is lowest in the sky that marks the official start
of the six-Earth-month Martian winter.

Ever since sol 654 (Nov. 25, 2005), Opportunity has experienced
occasional motor stalls in the shoulder joint of the robotic arm known
as Joint 1. Joint 1 is the shoulder azimuth joint, the one that swings
the arm out from the rover, and left or right in front of the rover. The
motor has worked long past its expected lifetime.

Apparently random in occurrence, the stalls have been accompanied by
step increases in electrical resistance, which is consistent with a
broken winding within the motor. (The rover's motors have bifilar coils,
consisting of two parallel windings. If one wire breaks, a second coiled
wire provides some torque to turn the motor. Torque is a force that
causes rotation about an axis. With one wire broken, there is less
torque during part of each rotation.)

Each motor has magnetic detents -- permanent magnets that pull the rotor
into a fixed position to prevent it from rotating when necessary. The
detents can also prevent the motor from turning when engineers want it
to turn. At that point, it takes a bit more torque to start the motor
turning. If a broken coil happens to align with a detent, the remaining,
unbroken coil has a hard time starting to rotate. This can result in a
stall.

Opportunity's handlers have been living with this for nearly 900 Martian
days and until now, they have overcome every stall simply by trying the
motion again.

To minimize the chance of getting "stuck" in an unfavorable position
where Joint 1 is permanently stalled, the rover's handlers keep the
robotic arm deployed (that is, unfolded and suspended in front of the
rover) except when driving. This approach is known as the
"Stow/Go/Unstow" strategy. When rover drivers want to drive, they stow
the arm (that is, fold it up with the elbow in horizontal position and
the fist against the chest). After the drive, they promptly unstow the
arm (move the elbow down and the turret, or fist, up).

On Sol 1502 (April 15, 2008), during a routine post-drive unstow,
Opportunity experienced a Joint 1 stall that was quantitatively
different from prior stalls. Tests since then have continued to result
in stalls with significantly higher electrical resistance five to 10
times greater than previously measured values. Motor currents have been
very low, consistent with higher electrical resistance.

Engineers are conducting diagnostic tests of Joint 1 and other
components. So far, every attempt to move Joint 1 has failed, producing
at most a single motor revolution. The joint seems to stall in the same
spot each time. The rover's handlers are pursuing a slow and steady
approach of fully understanding the problem and possibly devising
strategies for living with or working around the issue. They already
know that even if the joint is permanently stalled, Opportunity can
still do some science observations with instruments on the robotic arm.

Sol-by-sol summary:

In addition to receiving morning instructions directly from Earth via
the rover's high-gain antenna, relaying data back to Earth via the UHF
antenna on the Mars Odyssey orbiter, and measuring atmospheric dust with
the panoramic camera, Opportunity completed the following activities:

Sol 1505 (April 18, 2008): Opportunity ran diagnostic tests of the
robotic arm.

Sol 1506: Opportunity acquired six time-lapse movie frames in search of
morning clouds with the navigation camera and surveyed the horizon with
the panoramic camera. Later, the rover acquired a 3-by-1 panel of images
with the navigation camera.

Sol 1507: Opportunity took morning spot images of the sky for
calibration purposes with the panoramic camera. The rover ran more
diagnostic tests of the robotic arm.

Sol 1508: Opportunity began work on a 360-degree, two-tier panorama of
lossless-compression (highly detailed and precise) images with the
navigation camera.

Sol 1509: Opportunity spent most of the day characterizing dust in the
atmosphere.

Sol 1510 (April 23, 2008): Opportunity acquired full-color images, using
all 13 filters of the panoramic camera, of one of the two trenches made
by the rover's wheels, dubbed "Williams." At 11:05 a.m. local Mars time,
Opportunity acquired the left-hand view of a mosaic of panoramic-camera
images. The rover acquired part 2 of the lossless-compression,
360-degree panorama with the navigation camera and surveyed the sky at
high Sun with the panoramic camera. The following morning, Opportunity
was to acquire full-color images, using all 13 filters of the panoramic
camera, of the other wheel trench, dubbed "Harland."

Odometry:

As of sol 1510 (April 10, 2008), Opportunity's total odometry was
11,689.53 meters (7.26 miles).


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Mon May  5 15:59:07 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 12:59:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Canadian Satellite to Detect Earth Hits
Message-ID: <200805051959.MAA29792@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Canadian_satellite_to_detect_Earth_hits_999.html

Canadian satellite to detect Earth hits
United Press International
May 2, 2008

Canadian researchers are working on a tiny satellite that will alert the 
world to the potential of asteroid strikes.

"This is the first space-based asteroid-searching telescope," said Alan 
Hildebrand of the University of Calgary (Alberta), one of two principal 
scientists for the satellite.

He told the Canwest News Service the Near Earth Object Surveillance 
Satellite, set to be launched within two years is "the first space-based 
asteroid-searching telescope."

Once completed, the NEOSSat device will weigh only 135 pounds, and will be 
the size of a small suitcase, the report said.

"I think the most exciting thing about this mission is we are going to find 
asteroids that are accessible from our planet," Hildebrand said.

He said the mini-satellite would also help define celestial origins.

"We've been to the moon. There's always more you can do (there), but 
asteroids have so much more to teach us about the origins of the solar 
system," Hildebrand told the news agency.



From meteoritefinder at gmail.com  Mon May  5 16:30:03 2008
From: meteoritefinder at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 13:30:03 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Web site updates /AD new material
Message-ID: <468bf6050805051330j6714c1b4hf46161f145a3b4ff@mail.gmail.com>

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From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Mon May  5 16:56:12 2008
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 15:56:12 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ordovician Meteorites...was New or maybe
	oldQUESTION???
References: <9482774.589641210003288824.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web28-z01>
Message-ID: <139401c8aef2$7428d1d0$db45e146@ATARIENGINE>

Hi, List,

    Whoa, Eric! You're confusing two sets of dating.
The dates you're talking about are the K/Ar dates, the
secondary melt dates, at impact when the K/Ar clock
was reset.

    At impact melt, the argon-40 formed by decay of
potassium-40 is released; the melt solidifies and argon-40
begins to re-accumulate. All the Australites have the same
K/Ar date, which is different from the Moldavite dates
(which are all the same as each other), and so forth.

    K/Ar dates are the date of the last melting/vaporizing
event, the impact. That's one kind of "how old?" But
obviously the material existed before the impact! Rb/Sr
dating is used to date the initial formation time of the
material.

    Argon is a volatile gas, easily released by an energetic
event, but rubidium and strontium are more refractory and
are not that "flighty." It takes something bigger than an
impact. With formation or complete thermal metamorphism,
the Rb/Sr "clock" is set. It defines the formation date of
the material, the initial melt. Rb87 decays into Sr87 which
decays into Sr86, a more complicated arrangement than
K40 decaying into Ar40.

    The material has some Sr87 before the Rb87 starts
to decay into Sr87. That Sr87 is decaying into Sr86
at the same time the Rb87 is decaying into Sr87. With
two decays going on at once, how can you ever date
anything with that? The method used is called the isochron
method. Here's a great explanation of how this method works:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/isochron-dating.html
(It was written to convince Young Earth Creationists
of the validity of isotopic dating, so it's very thorough
and laboriously detailed.)

    You get two pieces of information from the Rb/Sr
isochron. One is an age of igneous formation ("How old
are these mountains?"), set by the zero point of the isochron.
The other is that you can determine the initial Sr87/Sr86
ratio of the material at the zero point of the isochron.

    That initial Sr87/Sr86 ratio is one of the pieces of
data that vary from one solar system body to another. All
the initial Sr87/Sr86 ratios of terrestrial material are very
similar, clustered around the value for this planet, but
material from other bodies have different initial Sr87/Sr86
ratios based on the different make-up of their original
composition.

    Different classes of meteorites, for example, have
different initial Sr87/Sr86 ratios: basaltic achondrites
0.6990, H chondrites 0.6986, E chondrites 0.6990,
L and LL chondrites 0.7000. This range corresponds
to original formation ages of 4.46 and 4.60 billion years.
Clearly these Rb/Sr dates have "coarser" resolution,
but the result is a correct one.

    Rb/Sr systematics are very long-scale. They show,
for example, that the original "formation times" of
the various elements found on Earth range from 4.6
billion years to about 11 billion years. This result is
a strong independent confirmation of the age of the
Galaxy and the universe. (For the first few billion
years, the universe was a hydrogen-helium-lithium
heaven until the "heavy" elements evolved, giving
an age for the universe of 13.0 to 13.5 billion years
which fits with the Hubble parameter.)

    Tektites have a very tight specific cluster of initial
Sr87/Sr86 ratios which is not like any known terrestrial
material. Does it tell us something about the material of
the impactor? Well, that initial Sr87/Sr86 ratio is not like
any meteorites, either. In fact, it's not the same as any
other known initial Sr87/Sr86 ratio from any solar system
body. The actual value of the initial Sr87/Sr86 ratio is
a different datum from the age determination which comes
from the position of the zero point on the isochron, not
its value.

    BTW, I never said nor even implied tektites formed
from L chondrites; you just jumped there. But the shock
features that most L chondrites show have re-set their
Rb/Sr dates to the same date as the isochronic formation
date of tektites. (It's just a puzzle.) The initial Sr87/Sr86
ratio of tektites gives an age of 460 +/-50 million years
for the time of the primary melt formation of the tektite
material.

    Rb/Sr dating is now combined with Hf/Sm (and other)
dating methods (the 12-point test) in geo- and cosmochemistry.
Hf/Sm dating has been applied to dating the age of the
presumably "surface" materials melted into tektites, as a way
of vaguely "confirming" that tektites are derived from local
surface materials. It is very rough and sloppy, but everybody
seems happy with it.

> Whether a tektite is formed depends on the impacted material...

    The problem is that tektites have been widely suggested to
derive from sandy surficial materials, or from loess, or off-shore
sediments -- you know the list. They are all erosion products
and, when mixed together, they have roughly similar ages to
the very age suggested by the initial Sr87/Sr86 ratio of tektites,
just less precise, so the Hf/Sm dates are similar to the Rb/Sr
ones. Only small selected portions of the Earth's surface are
very, very old, and the surface is always littered with the
more recent debris.

    It's cruder data, but it fits the current opinion better. (See,
I held the sarcasm off for quite a while.) There's nothing
unusual or odd-ball about the isochron method; it's widely used
and completely valid. So, why isn't the Sr87/86 value point of
tektites better known?

    Well, it strongly suggests that tektites are not formed from
local surface materials of the Earth, for one thing, but from
a single material with a single unique and non-terrestrial origin,
and not one of the ones we know about or have sampled yet.
There simply is no explanation for that, not even a bad one.

    The tektite Rb/Sr isochron is just ignored. Sometimes it is
described as "a coincidence." Sometimes it's suggested that
the data-scatter is too great for a "good" isochron. This would
be reasonable, unless you compare the tektite isochron data
with other isochrons regarded as "acceptable." There are many,
many worse cases of scatter in the literature and regarded as
"good," but they're not so hard to explain.

    It's what I call an "orphan fact." I'm trying to find it a home,
i.e., an explanation. I'm still looking, but I'm not ignoring data.


Sterling K. Webb
------------------------------------------------------------------------
PS: I'll reign in the sarcasm; you work on controlling
the use of the dogmatism club... Deal?
------------------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <star-bits at tx.rr.com>
To: "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ordovician Meteorites...was New or maybe 
oldQUESTION???


---- "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

<And all tektites have an original Rb/Sr melt date of 440-480 million years
ago. All just a coincidence, of course... >

Where does this information come from?   It does not seem even remotely 
possible.   No tektites are this old.    All tektites originated as melted 
terrestrial material.   How do you postulate a "melt date" which precedes a 
later melting?   You can't even get a date by backing out the Rb/Sr from the 
known terrestrial impacted material because the SE Asia impact site is not 
known.

Additionally this means that all tektite forming impacts were L chondrites, 
no irons, no H chondrites, no carbonaceous etc.   This is certainly possible 
but seems unlikely.   Whether a tektite is formed depends on the impacted 
material and not on the composition of the impactor.

 --
Eric Olson
7682 Firethorn Dr
Fayetteville, NC 28311

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From gmhupe at htn.net  Mon May  5 19:56:41 2008
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 19:56:41 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] 10 Days of eBay Excellence - AD
Message-ID: <0c4b01c8af0b$aaba5b60$0200a8c0@Gregor>

Dear List Members,

I have just listed on eBay 17 outstanding meteorite auctions which will end 
in 10 days, all of which start at just 99 cents! Included in this offering 
is the now infamous "Tazaluphagus" 167 gram sculptural Taza which was 
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Best regards and "Good Luck" winning those goodies!!
Greg

====================
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The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
gmhupe at htn.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163
====================
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From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Mon May  5 20:26:50 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 17:26:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Santa Rosa Colombia and Chergach
Message-ID: <137985.3010.qm@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi everyone, it was a very peaceful day, with all
incoming emails of an unwanted nature blocked, I
acutally got some work done.

I have updated my private collection page with a Santa
Rosa piece I got from the Smithsonian, and 
to celebrate the fact that Chergach (Mali) is now
classified, I put my collection pieces on the website.
Take a look, let me know if you like them.

http://www.meteoriteguy.com/collection/santarosa.htm

http://www.meteoriteguy.com/collection/chergach.htm

Michael Farmer

From star-bits at tx.rr.com  Mon May  5 20:40:47 2008
From: star-bits at tx.rr.com (star-bits at tx.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 20:40:47 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ordovician Meteorites...was New or maybe
 oldQUESTION???
Message-ID: <10945003.88141210034447568.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web06-z02>

---- "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net> wrote: 

<Whoa, Eric! You're confusing two sets of dating. The dates you're talking about are the K/Ar dates.>

Except that I never mentioned or implied K/Ar dating which does reset from shock or melting unlike Rb/Sr.

<.) You get two pieces of information from the Rb/Sr isochron. One is an age of igneous formation ("How old are these mountains?"), set by the zero point of the isochron. The other is that you can determine the initial Sr87/Sr86 ratio of the material at the zero point of the isochron.>

Yes I agree.  All the isotope dating schemes use isochrons and they provide valid data if interpreted correctly.

< Tektites have a very tight specific cluster of initial Sr87/Sr86 ratios which is not like any known terrestrial material. Does it tell us something about the material of the impactor?>

Probably not.   A major impact melts significantly more terrestrial material than there is impactor material.   So unless the impactor has a ratio that is significantly different than terrestrial, the ratios change very little from the average terrestrial ratio.

< Whether a tektite is formed depends on the impacted material... The problem is that tektites have been widely suggested to derive from sandy surficial materials, or from loess, or off-shore sediments -- you know the list. They are all erosion products and, when mixed together, they have roughly similar ages to the very age suggested by the initial Sr87/Sr86 ratio of tektites, just less precise, so the Hf/Sm dates are similar to the Rb/Sr ones. >

Which indicates the Sr87/Sr86 ratio is the average of the terrestrial material that was melted.   

< Only small selected portions of the Earth's surface are very, very old, and the surface is always littered with the more recent debris. It's cruder data, but it fits the current opinion better.>

Which also fits with a young terrestrial age.

< So, why isn't the Sr87/86 value point of tektites better known?   Well, it strongly suggests that tektites are not formed from local surface materials of the Earth, for one thing, but from a single material with a single unique and non-terrestrial origin, and not one of the ones we know about or have sampled yet. There simply is no explanation for that, not even a bad one.>

Unless the explanation is the Sr87/86 measures the average age of the terrestrial melt material which seems like an explanation, even a good one, to me.  

< BTW, I never said nor even implied tektites formed from L chondrites; you just jumped there.>

?Formed from L chondrites?, no you never said or implied that,  nor did I.   You also never said that L chondrites were the impactors which caused the formation of tektites however that seemed to be infered from the following:

< A one-hundred-fold increase in 
meteorites, five ice ages in 100 million years, one of them 
the worst in Earth history ("Snowball Earth"), massive 
breakups of major bodies, the complete re-surfacing of 
Venus (surface age 480 million years). And all tektites 
have an original Rb/Sr melt date of 440-480 million years 
ago. All just a coincidence, of course... >

All a coincidence?  No.  The average terrestrial melt/tektite Rb/Sr date?  Yep.

--
Eric Olson
7682 Firethorn Dr
Fayetteville, NC 28311

http://www.star-bits.com


From stm at bellsouth.net  Mon May  5 21:11:27 2008
From: stm at bellsouth.net (Sean T. Murray)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 21:11:27 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Santa Rosa Colombia and Chergach
References: <137985.3010.qm@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00d601c8af16$1c60daf0$6501a8c0@platinum>

Very nice Michael - great history on the Santa Rosa - is that red paint on 
the back?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Farmer" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 8:26 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Santa Rosa Colombia and Chergach


> Hi everyone, it was a very peaceful day, with all
> incoming emails of an unwanted nature blocked, I
> acutally got some work done.
>
> I have updated my private collection page with a Santa
> Rosa piece I got from the Smithsonian, and
> to celebrate the fact that Chergach (Mali) is now
> classified, I put my collection pieces on the website.
> Take a look, let me know if you like them.
>
> http://www.meteoriteguy.com/collection/santarosa.htm
>
> http://www.meteoriteguy.com/collection/chergach.htm
>
> Michael Farmer
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From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Mon May  5 21:23:54 2008
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:23:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Santa Rosa Colombia and Chergach
In-Reply-To: <137985.3010.qm@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1097953.1184981210037034267.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>

Beautiful stones Mike!

Here's a few I got from Svend through a trade:

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/Chergach.html

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/Erg-Chech.html

________________

Michael Johnson
www.spacerocksinc.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Farmer" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Monday, May 5, 2008 8:26:50 PM (GMT-0500) America/New_York
Subject: [meteorite-list] Santa Rosa Colombia and Chergach

Hi everyone, it was a very peaceful day, with all
incoming emails of an unwanted nature blocked, I
acutally got some work done.

I have updated my private collection page with a Santa
Rosa piece I got from the Smithsonian, and 
to celebrate the fact that Chergach (Mali) is now
classified, I put my collection pieces on the website.
Take a look, let me know if you like them.

http://www.meteoriteguy.com/collection/santarosa.htm

http://www.meteoriteguy.com/collection/chergach.htm

Michael Farmer
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From Impactika at aol.com  Mon May  5 21:31:07 2008
From: Impactika at aol.com (Impactika at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 21:31:07 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Santa Rosa Colombia
Message-ID: <bf8.2c3db987.35510edb@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/5/2008 7:12:46 PM Mountain Daylight Time,  
stm at bellsouth.net writes:
Very nice Michael - great history on the Santa Rosa  - is that red paint on 
the  back?
------------------------------------------------------
 
In fact there is quite a bit more to the story than that.
Basically, Henry Ward threw a big party, got most of the population of  Santa 
Rosa drunk and absconded with the meteorite during the night. To be later  
stopped at the border. 
 
Some meteorite hunters will stop at nothing !!!     ;-)
For all the details, from the Buchwald Handbook of Iron Meteorites, go  to:
 
_http://www.impactika.com/santrosa.htm_ 
(http://www.impactika.com/santrosa.htm) 
 
Sorry, that big slice from TCU has been sold.
 
Anne M. Black
_www.IMPACTIKA.com_ (http://www.IMPACTIKA.com) 
_IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com) 
Vice-President of  IMCA
_www.IMCA.cc_ (http://www.IMCA.cc)  


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Farmer"  <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
To:  <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 8:26  PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Santa Rosa Colombia and Chergach


>  Hi everyone, it was a very peaceful day, with all
> incoming emails of an  unwanted nature blocked, I
> acutally got some work done.
>
>  I have updated my private collection page with a Santa
> Rosa piece I got  from the Smithsonian, and
> to celebrate the fact that Chergach (Mali) is  now
> classified, I put my collection pieces on the website.
> Take  a look, let me know if you like them.
>
>  http://www.meteoriteguy.com/collection/santarosa.htm
>
>  http://www.meteoriteguy.com/collection/chergach.htm
>
> Michael  Farmer





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From bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com  Mon May  5 22:03:16 2008
From: bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com (mckinney trammell)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 19:03:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] nice diogenite for sale
Message-ID: <303287.41070.qm@web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

here is a really nice tatahouine fro sale ending in
about one hour. this stuff really polished up nice.
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From david.carothers at verizon.net  Mon May  5 22:52:44 2008
From: david.carothers at verizon.net (Dave Carothers)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 22:52:44 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Santa Rosa Colombia and Chergach
References: <137985.3010.qm@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00b701c8af24$431767f0$6401a8c0@WINBOOKJ>

Awesome specimens, Mike.  Thanks for post them.

Dave

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Farmer" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 8:26 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Santa Rosa Colombia and Chergach


> Hi everyone, it was a very peaceful day, with all
> incoming emails of an unwanted nature blocked, I
> acutally got some work done.
> 
> I have updated my private collection page with a Santa
> Rosa piece I got from the Smithsonian, and 
> to celebrate the fact that Chergach (Mali) is now
> classified, I put my collection pieces on the website.
> Take a look, let me know if you like them.
> 
> http://www.meteoriteguy.com/collection/santarosa.htm
> 
> http://www.meteoriteguy.com/collection/chergach.htm
> 
> Michael Farmer
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From david.carothers at verizon.net  Mon May  5 22:58:01 2008
From: david.carothers at verizon.net (Dave Carothers)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 22:58:01 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Santa Rosa Colombia and Chergach
References: <1097953.1184981210037034267.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>
Message-ID: <00cd01c8af24$ffa75920$6401a8c0@WINBOOKJ>

Beautiful, Michael.  Thanks for the post.

Dave

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Johnson" <michael at spacerocksinc.com>
To: "Michael Farmer" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Santa Rosa Colombia and Chergach


> Beautiful stones Mike!
> 
> Here's a few I got from Svend through a trade:
> 
> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/Chergach.html
> 
> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/Erg-Chech.html
> 
> ________________
> 
> Michael Johnson
> www.spacerocksinc.com
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Farmer" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Sent: Monday, May 5, 2008 8:26:50 PM (GMT-0500) America/New_York
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Santa Rosa Colombia and Chergach
> 
> Hi everyone, it was a very peaceful day, with all
> incoming emails of an unwanted nature blocked, I
> acutally got some work done.
> 
> I have updated my private collection page with a Santa
> Rosa piece I got from the Smithsonian, and 
> to celebrate the fact that Chergach (Mali) is now
> classified, I put my collection pieces on the website.
> Take a look, let me know if you like them.
> 
> http://www.meteoriteguy.com/collection/santarosa.htm
> 
> http://www.meteoriteguy.com/collection/chergach.htm
> 
> Michael Farmer
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
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> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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From mikewren at gilanet.com  Tue May  6 00:59:01 2008
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 22:59:01 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD:  $10,000.00 Commission Offered!
Message-ID: <200805052303508.SM00636@yourfsyly0jtwn>

Hello,

I am offering a $10,000.00 Commission to the person who helps me to find a
buyer for this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200221948080

Serious inquires only please.

Best Wishes

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From paul at meteorite.com  Tue May  6 01:45:00 2008
From: paul at meteorite.com (Paul Harris)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 22:45:00 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-Times for May now up
Message-ID: <481FF05C.30007@meteorite.com>

Hello Everyone,

The May issue of Meteorite-Times is now up and ready to read.

-We now have a link at the top of the page to Michael Bloods's New 
Meteorite Friends Directory.
-At the top of Michael's new page is a link to his Original Meteorite 
Friends Photo Page
-Thank you to all the writers and I'm sure we'll all miss hearing from 
Tom while he's moving.

http://www.meteorite-times.com/

Enjoy,

Paul and Jim


From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Tue May  6 02:40:37 2008
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 01:40:37 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ordovician Meteorites...was New or maybe
	oldQUESTION???
References: <10945003.88141210034447568.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web06-z02>
Message-ID: <13ea01c8af44$18766b70$db45e146@ATARIENGINE>

Hi, Eric, List,

    I didn't explain that well.

    The Sr87/Sr86 ratio dates one of the following:

    a) the original formation date of the material,
like an undifferentiated meteorite.

    b) the date of a primary process like differentiation,
as the separation of mantle rock in the Earth from
the original protoplanet or the differentiation of a
large asteroid.

    c) the complete metamorphosis of a whole new
crustal rock, like a granite, from older rocks.

    I made one mistatement; Sr87 doesn't decay,
only Rb87. The half life of Rb87 is very, very long:
48.80 BILLION years, so the increase in Sr87
in a rock from decaying Rb87 is very small and
requires very sensitive measurement. The half life
is so long that the change in 488 million years is
only a dimishment of Rb87 by one part in 1000!

    Rb is more volatile than Sr. It can be driven out
by high and prolonged heat. The effect of an impact
could reset the Rb content, but not the Sr content,
which is very refractory. The shocked L chondrites
have their Rb/Sr ratios reset, but NOT their Sr87/Sr86
ratios, which correspond to their formation age.
Dating that shock to 465 +/-15 million years is done
by treating the shock as a "metamorphic" event.

    Since tektites have a respectable Rb content (100 to
200 ppm), they didn't get hot enough to be completely
transformed by any impact (in case you were thinking
that). And their Sr87/Sr86 ratio wouldn't have changed
a whit.

    The solar nebular value is calculated to be 0.698955
to 0.698985. After the Sun "lights," the ratios begin to
diverge as material nearer the Sun loses Rb faster. This
gives the material from which each planet forms a
different range of Sr87/Sr86 initial ratios, depending on
how much Rb is lost. Then, the differentiation into core,
mantle, crust, produce distinct ratios in each. Crustal
rocks (usually granites) are the newest and have the
highest ratios, but not as high as tektites.

    The Sr87/Sr86 values of tektites are very limited in
range: 0.7121 to 0.7223. You won't find these values
in the surface rocks of the Earth. That Sr87/Sr86 ratio
just does not correspond to any Earthly rocks.

    Here's a site that has a nice presentation of how the
ratios of terrestrial materials evolve. Note that nowhere
will you see any material with ratios as high as tektites
mentioned; the graphs don't go that high. There isn't
any such material on Earth... except tektites.
http://www.ig.uit.no/studier/GEO-3102/rbsr.swf
(The Flash presentation is nice, but they slipped
a decimal point on the half life...)

    Another excellent site:
http://www.fsteiger.com/radioact.html

    From the standpoint of Sr87/Sr86, the rocks of
a planet are essentially as old as the planet unless
some kind of fundamental geological process like
differentiation or metamorphosis has re-worked them.
Fresh lava from the mantle, for example, is a "new"
rock on the surface, but its ratio is just the same as
the mantle rock it came from: around 0.7040 --
it's as old as the planet. Well, as old as its mantle,
anyway.

    It's hard to find strontium data on tektites:
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19640001430_1964001430.pdf
"Variation of Strontium Isotopes in Tektites,"
by C. C. Schnetzler and W. E. Pinson, Jr.,
Department of Geology and Geophysics, MIT.

    Yes, it's old, but the "newest" strontium data
on tektites is 25 years old; this is 20 years older.
They miscalculated the date because the value
of the half life of Rb87 was not well constrained;
they say 400-425 million and they're off by 50
million years. (They thought the half life was
<47 billion. Recent measurements say more like
50 billion. It's hard to measure, counting the atoms
as they fall off any process so slow.)

This report was ordered up by NASA because
they wanted to know if tektites came from the
Moon (a place they were going to)! Schnetzler
and Pinson pointed out the isochron and asked
if NASA thought the Moon was less than a half
billion years old? Although not asked to, they
evaluated the question of whether tektites could
be terrestrial in origin? Again, they pointed out
that the Sr87/Sr86 ratios could hardly be derived
from terrestrial materials.

    I said:

> They are all erosion products and, when mixed
> together, they have roughly similar ages to the very
> age suggested by the initial Sr87/Sr86 ratio of tektites

    Well, that too was a poor explanation. An "eroded"
product doesn't have it's Sr87/Sr86 ratio changed, nor
a sedimentary material, nor a melted one. What I meant
was that the geological "age" of the Earth's surface was
similar to the Sr87/Sr86 age of the tektites, NOT that
the mixed material at the Earth's surface would have that
Sr87/Sr86 age -- it wouldn't! It would be made up of
much older material.

    And in so doing, I misled you into saying:

> which indicates the Sr87/Sr86 ratio is the average of
> the terrestrial material that was melted.

    If you mixed and melted terrestrial materials, you would
have an age much older than tektites:
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/140/3572/1214-a
    "The abundance of radiogenic Sr87 relative to Sr86
at the time of crystallization has been determined for
45 rocks. The total range in the ratio Sr87/Sr86 is less
than 2 percent. Ratios for recent lavas range from
0.702 to 0.711. Oceanic basalts are closely grouped
at 0.703, whereas ratios for continental volcanic rocks
spread from 0.702 to 0.711. Among the volcanic
rocks, ranging from basalt to rhyolite, no correlation was
found between original ratio and rock type. Older mafic
and felsic rocks that include both plutonic and extrusive
types also cover this same range in original Sr87/Sr86 ratios;
however, there is a definite trend with geologic time.
Precambrian rocks give values as low as 0.700. The data
indicate that Sr87/Sr86 of the weathering crust has changed
1.1 percent in 3000 million years, while the ratio in the mantle
has changed no more than 0.5 percent."

    The slight decreases in Earthly values over long
geological periods is probably due to the fact that Sr is
very soluble in water. You can measure the Sr87/Sr86 ratio
of seawater and tell where the Sr is coming from. In times
of sea floor spreading, the Sr values are mantle-like. In
times of erosion of continental rocks, the Sr values are
younger, as the Sr is leached out of those youngest rocks.

    "Lower" numerical values correspond to older rocks;
"higher" numerical values correspond to younger materials.
Earth rocks are 0.702 to 0.711; tektites are 0.7121 to 0.7232.
These Sr87/Sr86 values of tektites are outside the terrestrial
range. Tektites cannot be formed from local surface materials,
nor any materials, of the Earth.

    Too tired to tackle the Hf/Sm system... but it's a mess too.
We'll just stick to one point per post.


Sterling K. Webb
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---- "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

<Whoa, Eric! You're confusing two sets of dating. The dates you're talking 
about are the K/Ar dates.>

Except that I never mentioned or implied K/Ar dating which does reset from 
shock or melting unlike Rb/Sr.

<.) You get two pieces of information from the Rb/Sr isochron. One is an age 
of igneous formation ("How old are these mountains?"), set by the zero point 
of the isochron. The other is that you can determine the initial Sr87/Sr86 
ratio of the material at the zero point of the isochron.>

Yes I agree.  All the isotope dating schemes use isochrons and they provide 
valid data if interpreted correctly.

< Tektites have a very tight specific cluster of initial Sr87/Sr86 ratios 
which is not like any known terrestrial material. Does it tell us something 
about the material of the impactor?>

Probably not.   A major impact melts significantly more terrestrial material 
than there is impactor material.   So unless the impactor has a ratio that 
is significantly different than terrestrial, the ratios change very little 
from the average terrestrial ratio.

< Whether a tektite is formed depends on the impacted material... The 
problem is that tektites have been widely suggested to derive from sandy 
surficial materials, or from loess, or off-shore sediments -- you know the 
list. They are all erosion products and, when mixed together, they have 
roughly similar ages to the very age suggested by the initial Sr87/Sr86 
ratio of tektites, just less precise, so the Hf/Sm dates are similar to the 
Rb/Sr ones. >

Which indicates the Sr87/Sr86 ratio is the average of the terrestrial 
material that was melted.

< Only small selected portions of the Earth's surface are very, very old, 
and the surface is always littered with the more recent debris. It's cruder 
data, but it fits the current opinion better.>

Which also fits with a young terrestrial age.

< So, why isn't the Sr87/86 value point of tektites better known?   Well, it 
strongly suggests that tektites are not formed from local surface materials 
of the Earth, for one thing, but from a single material with a single unique 
and non-terrestrial origin, and not one of the ones we know about or have 
sampled yet. There simply is no explanation for that, not even a bad one.>

Unless the explanation is the Sr87/86 measures the average age of the 
terrestrial melt material which seems like an explanation, even a good one, 
to me.

< BTW, I never said nor even implied tektites formed from L chondrites; you 
just jumped there.>

?Formed from L chondrites?, no you never said or implied that,  nor did I. 
You also never said that L chondrites were the impactors which caused the 
formation of tektites however that seemed to be infered from the following:

< A one-hundred-fold increase in
meteorites, five ice ages in 100 million years, one of them
the worst in Earth history ("Snowball Earth"), massive
breakups of major bodies, the complete re-surfacing of
Venus (surface age 480 million years). And all tektites
have an original Rb/Sr melt date of 440-480 million years
ago. All just a coincidence, of course... >

All a coincidence?  No.  The average terrestrial melt/tektite Rb/Sr date? 
Yep.

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From cojack at tiscali.it  Tue May  6 07:45:11 2008
From: cojack at tiscali.it (Moser Francesco)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 13:45:11 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lampiayrie and Mali classification...any news?
References: <206294.55846.qm@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004601c8af6e$a490de40$0200a8c0@FISSO>

Hi Mike,
you have to select MB94 in the ""Publication:"" menu on the right!
So you can see all the 86 new classified meteorites!

http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php

Ciao

<><><><>
Francesco Moser
http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Farmer" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
To: <riffraff at timewarp.de>; "'Moser Francesco'" <cojack at tiscali.it>; "'ZZ ML 
Meteorite-List'" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lampiayrie and Mali classification...any news?


> How did you find that particular meteorite? The
> bulletin is not yet ready and I would like to see all
> the new meteorites.
> Mike
> --- Norbert Classen <riffraff at timewarp.de> wrote:
>
>> Hi Francesco,
>>
>> You asked:
>>
>> > there's someone that could give me some news about
>> the
>> > classification of the Lampiayrie and the Mali /
>> Erg Chech
>> > meteorites??
>>
>> Look at yesterday's MetBull-Database update :-))
>>
>> http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=47347
>>
>> Chergach should be the "Mali" fall, right?
>>
>> Best,
>> Norbert
>>
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From cojack at tiscali.it  Tue May  6 07:48:59 2008
From: cojack at tiscali.it (Moser Francesco)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 13:48:59 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lampiayrie and Mali classification...any news?
References: <000001c8aed5$c35a6f10$2002a8c0@lunatic>
Message-ID: <006c01c8af6f$2cb020b0$0200a8c0@FISSO>

Thank you Norbert!

There anyone how have informations about Lampiayrie??
A couple of years ago Marcin send me some meteorites and some Lampiayrie 
fragments as present...but I never know anything about this fall!!!

Thanks!

Ciao

<><><><>
Francesco Moser
http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/
IMCA #1510 www.imca.cc

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Norbert Classen" <riffraff at timewarp.de>
To: "'Moser Francesco'" <cojack at tiscali.it>; "'ZZ ML Meteorite-List'" 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 7:30 PM
Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] Lampiayrie and Mali classification...any news?


> Hi Francesco,
>
> You asked:
>
>> there's someone that could give me some news about the
>> classification of the Lampiayrie and the Mali / Erg Chech
>> meteorites??
>
> Look at yesterday's MetBull-Database update :-))
>
> http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=47347
>
> Chergach should be the "Mali" fall, right?
>
> Best,
> Norbert
> 


From bristolia at yahoo.com  Tue May  6 09:31:42 2008
From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 06:31:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Terrestrial Meteorite Hunting on the Moon
Message-ID: <947571.97790.qm@web36203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dear Friends,

In the most recent issue of Astrobiology, there is an article advocating
the collecting of terrestrial meteorites from the Moon. They suggest that
there are pieces of the ancient Earth, blasted into space from the 
surface of early Earth  to be found on the Moon as "terrestrial 
meteorites". They argue that an unique record of early Earth might
be found on the Moon in the form of "terrestrial meteorites".

The paper is;

Ian A. Crawford, Emily C. Baldwin, Emma A. Taylor, Jeremy A. 
Bailey, Kostas Tsembelis, 2008, On the Survivability and Detectability 
of Terrestrial Meteorites on the Moon. Astrobiology. vol. 8, no. 2, 
pp. 242-252. doi:10.1089/ast.2007.0215.

http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs/10.1089/ast.2007.0215

Best Regards,

Paul H.



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From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Tue May  6 10:16:54 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 07:16:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lampiayrie and Mali classification...any news?
In-Reply-To: <006c01c8af6f$2cb020b0$0200a8c0@FISSO>
Message-ID: <465965.40901.qm@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Lampiayrie/Batiawo has been classified by Ted Bunch.
I dont think it has been submitted (there are problems
locating these villages).  I have been to Burkina
Faso, and they name these places, where 5 huts are
together, but are not on most maps. 
I will try to get this one done, I am sitting on
nearly a kilo of beautiful pieces, waiting to sell
them when they are accepted.
mike
--- Moser Francesco <cojack at tiscali.it> wrote:

> Thank you Norbert!
> 
> There anyone how have informations about
> Lampiayrie??
> A couple of years ago Marcin send me some meteorites
> and some Lampiayrie 
> fragments as present...but I never know anything
> about this fall!!!
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Ciao
> 
> <><><><>
> Francesco Moser
> http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/
> IMCA #1510 www.imca.cc
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Norbert Classen" <riffraff at timewarp.de>
> To: "'Moser Francesco'" <cojack at tiscali.it>; "'ZZ ML
> Meteorite-List'" 
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 7:30 PM
> Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] Lampiayrie and Mali
> classification...any news?
> 
> 
> > Hi Francesco,
> >
> > You asked:
> >
> >> there's someone that could give me some news
> about the
> >> classification of the Lampiayrie and the Mali /
> Erg Chech
> >> meteorites??
> >
> > Look at yesterday's MetBull-Database update :-))
> >
> >
> http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=47347
> >
> > Chergach should be the "Mali" fall, right?
> >
> > Best,
> > Norbert
> > 
> 
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From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Tue May  6 12:13:54 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 09:13:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] 10 day trip on a meteorite hunt.
Message-ID: <790447.83991.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi everyone, well, I will not be home for the next 10
days, I have a long meteorite hunt in a far away
place.  I will be available by email or cell phone
only. 
Michael Farmer

From dragonsoup at msn.com  Tue May  6 13:52:18 2008
From: dragonsoup at msn.com (Maria Haas)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 10:52:18 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] To the Moon, Alice!
Message-ID: <BLU117-W54B300D3F0C68B9AD4B1F5CDD60@phx.gbl>


> SEND YOUR NAME TO THE MOON WITH NEW LUNAR MISSION
>
> WASHINGTON -- NASA invites people of all ages to join the lunar
> exploration journey with an opportunity to send their names to the moon
> aboard the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, or LRO, spacecraft.
>
> The Send Your Name to the Moon Web site enables everyone to
> participate in the lunar adventure and place their names in orbit around
> the moon for years to come. Participants can submit their information at
> http://www.nasa.gov/lro, print a certificate and have their name entered
> into a database. The database will be placed on a microchip that will be
> integrated onto the spacecraft. The deadline for submitting names is June
> 27, 2008.
>
> 'Everyone who sends their name to the moon, like I'm doing, becomes part
> of the next wave of lunar explorers,' said Cathy Peddie, deputy project
> manager for LRO at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md.
> 'The LRO mission is the first step in NASA's plans to return humans to the
> moon by 2020, and your name can reach there first. How cool is that?'
>
> The orbiter, comprised of six instruments and one technology
> demonstration, will provide the most comprehensive data set ever returned
> from the moon. The mission will focus on the selection of safe landing
> sites and identification of lunar resources. It also will study how the
> lunar radiation environment could affect humans.
>
> LRO will also create a comprehensive atlas of the moon's features and
> resources that will be needed as NASA designs and builds a planned lunar
> outpost. The mission will support future human exploration while providing
> a foundation for upcoming science missions. LRO is scheduled for launch in
> late 2008.
>
> The Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter is being built at Goddard. The mission
> also will be managed at the center for NASA's Explorations Systems Mission
> Directorate in Washington.
>
> Send Your Name to the Moon is a collaborative effort among NASA, the
> Planetary Society in Pasadena, Calif., and the Johns Hopkins Applied
> Physics Laboratory in Laurel, Md.
>
> To send your name to the moon, visit:
>
> http://www.nasa.gov/lro


From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Tue May  6 17:00:52 2008
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 14:00:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 6, 2008
Message-ID: <29703214.1279361210107652362.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>


http://www.rocksfromspace.org/May_6_2008.html


From cojack at tiscali.it  Tue May  6 17:23:39 2008
From: cojack at tiscali.it (Moser Francesco)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 23:23:39 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Vaca Muerta eucrite
Message-ID: <00b701c8afbf$7478d770$0200a8c0@FISSO>

Hi all,
a couple of years ago I bought a big slice of Vaca Muerta Eucrite
inclusions, but I cannot find any information on the web, I can only find
informations about the more famous mesosiderite...
have someone some informations for me?? like the TKW or a correct
description??

Why the MetBull site doesn't tell anything about this strange meteorite??
http://tinyurl.com/649my6

This is my sample:
http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/Immagini/Meteoriti/Rocciose-Acondriti/VacaMuertaEu.jpg
http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/Immagini/Meteoriti/Rocciose-Acondriti/VacaMuertaEu_3195.jpg

Thank you!

Ciao

<><><><>
Francesco Moser
http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/
IMCA #1510 www.imca.cc


From cojack at tiscali.it  Tue May  6 17:30:57 2008
From: cojack at tiscali.it (Moser Francesco)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 23:30:57 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] unclassified howardite
Message-ID: <00bb01c8afc0$79395040$0200a8c0@FISSO>

Hello,
in one of the biggest Mineral Show here in Italy in 2005 I bought a nice 
individual howardite with a nice fresh crust.
This sample was on a table of a moroccan dealer: Ismaily Sidi Mohamed ( I 
think many of you know him!!!)

At the time of the purchase this howardite (and all his sisters in a plastic 
bag) was unclassified.

I think this material was on the market in big quantity, so I think that 
someone bought some pieces and did the analisys.
Could someone from the pictures tell me a possible NWA number or a number of 
something that could be paired??
I have this piece in my collection and I want to know more about it!

http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/Immagini/Meteoriti/Rocciose-Acondriti/NWAxxx-11.jpg
http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/Immagini/Meteoriti/Rocciose-Acondriti/NWAxxx-11_1703.jpg


Thank you a lot!

Ciao

<><><><>
Francesco Moser
http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/
IMCA #1510 www.imca.cc


From grf2 at verizon.net  Tue May  6 19:07:49 2008
From: grf2 at verizon.net (Jerry)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 19:07:49 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Vaca Muerta eucrite
In-Reply-To: <00b701c8afbf$7478d770$0200a8c0@FISSO>
References: <00b701c8afbf$7478d770$0200a8c0@FISSO>
Message-ID: <51AE811742D447E48516D419BE6DB553@Notebook>

I have 3.19gr VM Eucrite in a small display together a 5.88 gr meso, a 
12.02gr metal nodule and a 4.47gr olivine. It's entitled,  "The Four Faces 
Of Vaca Muerta".
Jerry Flaherty
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "ZZ ML Meteorite-List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 5:23 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Vaca Muerta eucrite


> Hi all,
> a couple of years ago I bought a big slice of Vaca Muerta Eucrite
> inclusions, but I cannot find any information on the web, I can only find
> informations about the more famous mesosiderite...
> have someone some informations for me?? like the TKW or a correct
> description??
>
> Why the MetBull site doesn't tell anything about this strange meteorite??
> http://tinyurl.com/649my6
>
> This is my sample:
> http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/Immagini/Meteoriti/Rocciose-Acondriti/VacaMuertaEu.jpg
> http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/Immagini/Meteoriti/Rocciose-Acondriti/VacaMuertaEu_3195.jpg
>
> Thank you!
>
> Ciao
>
> <><><><>
> Francesco Moser
> http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/
> IMCA #1510 www.imca.cc
>
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From bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com  Tue May  6 19:30:42 2008
From: bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com (mckinney trammell)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 16:30:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] last $1NR claxton
Message-ID: <353772.80238.qm@web53205.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

here is my last small claxton micro $1 for sale if you
don't have this rare hammer, yet. am taking TRADE
offers on my 1" , 2g crusted slice. micro:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290228627430&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:1123 


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From grf2 at verizon.net  Tue May  6 20:24:59 2008
From: grf2 at verizon.net (Jerry)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 20:24:59 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: The Moon and Mercury
Message-ID: <D610FD8A514F438BBC9CCE62E6BF329E@Notebook>

Super opportunity to view the Angrite Momma"
Jerry Flaherty
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Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:00 PM
Subject: The Moon and Mercury


> Hi, This is Dr. Tony Phillips calling with a sunset sky alert.  It's 
> Tuesday, May 6th.
>
> After the sun goes down tonight, step outside and look west. If you have a 
> clear view of the western horizon, you'll find Mercury and the Moon 
> beaming side-by-side through the sunset. Seeing Mercury is rare enough; it 
> is usually hidden in the glare of the sun.  Seeing Mercury together with 
> an exquisite, razor-thin crescent Moon is really unusual--and beautiful. 
> Go out and take a look!
>
> SKY MAP: http://spaceweather.com/images2008/06may08/skymap_north.gif 


From mstreman53 at yahoo.com  Tue May  6 21:29:23 2008
From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 18:29:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Vaca Muerta eucrite
In-Reply-To: <00b701c8afbf$7478d770$0200a8c0@FISSO>
Message-ID: <793208.19602.qm@web51009.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hello Moser.

They are the same meteorite. The eucrite pieces were apparently mixed into the silicate and metal portion in the collision between the two parent bodies.  Due to weathering at different rates the eucrite nodules were sometimes found with no obvious meso-like material giving the impression that they were two separate meteorites.

Elton


--- On Tue, 5/6/08, Moser Francesco <cojack at tiscali.it> wrote:

> From: Moser Francesco <cojack at tiscali.it>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Vaca Muerta eucrite
> To: "ZZ ML Meteorite-List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Tuesday, May 6, 2008, 5:23 PM
> Hi all,
> a couple of years ago I bought a big slice of Vaca Muerta
> Eucrite
> inclusions, but I cannot find any information on the web, I
> can only find
> informations about the more famous mesosiderite...
> have someone some informations for me?? like the TKW or a
> correct
> description??
> 
> Why the MetBull site doesn't tell anything about this
> strange meteorite??
> http://tinyurl.com/649my6
> 
> This is my sample:
> http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/Immagini/Meteoriti/Rocciose-Acondriti/VacaMuertaEu.jpg
> http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/Immagini/Meteoriti/Rocciose-Acondriti/VacaMuertaEu_3195.jpg
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> Ciao
> 
> <><><><>
> Francesco Moser
> http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/
> IMCA #1510 www.imca.cc
> 
> ______________________________________________
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From darryl at dof3.com  Tue May  6 22:20:03 2008
From: darryl at dof3.com (Darryl Pitt)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 22:20:03 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] PRISTINE BERDUC SPECIMENS FOR SALE
Message-ID: <67244850-5BB8-43F2-B034-44F0CFDBDFF7@dof3.com>


outstanding, pristine specimens

ranging in size from 80 to 270 grams /  only 14 specimens in  
immaculate condition

$25/gram

contact off-list if interested.

d.

From mikewren at gilanet.com  Tue May  6 22:59:42 2008
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 20:59:42 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Auctions Ending,
	Nice Stuff And All Started at 0.99 cents! HIGHLIGHTED LINKS ADDED!
Message-ID: <200805062103948.SM01784@yourfsyly0jtwn>



________________________________________
From: michael cottingham [mailto:mikewren at gilanet.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:59 PM
To: 'michael cottingham'
Subject: AD: Auctions Ending, Nice Stuff And All Started at 0.99 cents!
HIGHLIGHTED LINKS ADDED!

Hello Everyone,


A lot of action this week in my ebay store & auctions! Entire Collection is
up for sale with lower price and more items added! Over 700 hits on the
entire collection auction-just today! An amazing endcut of Georgetown (Iron)
Australia! Plus, many others
 Check it out!



Go to:
http://stores.ebay.com/VOYAGE-BOTANICA-NATURAL-HISTORY

or

http://stores.ebay.com/VOYAGE-BOTANICA-NATURAL-HISTORY_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfti
dZ2QQsclZ2QQtZkm




*Over 1000 hits this one has had
A superb amount of interest. If it does not
sell it goes back into my store/collection for a week or two, before
cutting!
Super Rare GEORGETOWN, Silicated Iron (IIICD)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220400329




(NEW), Really Nice, NWA 4977, L6, 5.12 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220533711

LTKW, SACRAMENTO WASH 002, Az., H4, 0.80 g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220533713

Nice Complete Slice, NWA 4950, L3.8, 11.34g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220533716

Very Rare Achondrite, NWA 2635, 1.10 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220533722

Extremely Rare ST. LOUIS, "Car Smasher" LTKW!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220598574

Very Rare LOS ANGELES (LA 002),Martian,0.165g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220603729

(NEW), NWA 5053, L4, 77.55 gram, End Slice
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220606229

Super Rare HAMLET, Indiana, LL4 Fall, 0.11g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220544979

Extremely Rare IREDELL,Texas, IIAB Iron,0.72g LAST ONE FOR AUCTION
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220544921

Very Rare INDIAN VALLEY, Va., IIAB Iron,0.77g LAST ONE FOR AUCTION!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220544899

Awesome"Hammer Stone" WORDEN, Michigan, .092g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220544861

(NEW), NWA 5054, Wholesale Lot, L5, 504g 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220544833

Rare Washington IVA Iron ALBION, 0.18 gram!? LAST ONE FOR AUCTION
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220544936

NEW H7 Meteorite, Super Rare, NWA 4229, 0.76 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220533761

(NEW), H4-5, NWA 5056, Nice Slice, 6.91g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220544890

Rare CO3.1 Fall 1937, KAINSAZ, Russia, 1.34g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220544894

Spectacular Diogenite, NWA 4755, 1.89 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220533776

NWA 2932, Beautiful Mesosiderite, 3.52 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220533743

Superb MONTURAQUI Impactite Individual 11.33g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220533735

Beautiful L3, SAHARA 02500, 4.57 gram, This one is Nice!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220533728

NWA 3118, Outstanding CV3, 0.91 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220533726

Awesome NWA 869, L4-6, Individual, 11.46g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220533732

Low Known Weight, TAHOKA, Texas, L5, 0.12g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220533712

And Many Others


Thanks and Best Wishes

Michael Cottingham










From cynapse at charter.net  Wed May  7 00:06:32 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 00:06:32 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Go for a comet ride!
In-Reply-To: <67244850-5BB8-43F2-B034-44F0CFDBDFF7@dof3.com>
References: <67244850-5BB8-43F2-B034-44F0CFDBDFF7@dof3.com>
Message-ID: <1la224pgu4jeq4lqkjp26au6gdtire0k11@4ax.com>

Found this recently:

http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/temp/

From pshugar at clearwire.net  Wed May  7 00:36:58 2008
From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 23:36:58 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Re The Moon and Mercury
Message-ID: <001301c8affb$fde6e9c0$0201a8c0@laptop>

Went out and looked up, saw Moon and Mercury, went back inside for the 
camera, took 9 photos of which only one was sharp and clear in natural 
light.
Awesome!!!!!
Pete 1733

Super opportunity to view the Angrite Momma"
Jerry Flaherty
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Space.Weather.Alert.Service at spaceweatherphone.com>
To: <grf2 at verizon.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:00 PM
Subject: The Moon and Mercury


> Hi, This is Dr. Tony Phillips calling with a sunset sky alert.  It's
> Tuesday, May 6th.
>
> After the sun goes down tonight, step outside and look west. If you have a
> clear view of the western horizon, you'll find Mercury and the Moon
> beaming side-by-side through the sunset. Seeing Mercury is rare enough; it
> is usually hidden in the glare of the sun.  Seeing Mercury together with
> an exquisite, razor-thin crescent Moon is really unusual--and beautiful.
> Go out and take a look!
>
> SKY MAP: http://spaceweather.com/images2008/06may08/skymap_north.gif


From Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr  Wed May  7 02:46:17 2008
From: Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr (Zelimir Gabelica)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 08:46:17 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] unclassified howardite
In-Reply-To: <00bb01c8afc0$79395040$0200a8c0@FISSO>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20080507084201.0281e300@pop.univ-mulhouse.fr>

Hi Francesco,

Ismaily is dealer at "Ensisuheim 2008".
If you come you could discuss this issue with him.

I am sending you the last circular about the show off list.

Best wishes,

Zelimir


A 23:30 06/05/2008 +0200, Moser Francesco a ?crit :
>Hello,
>in one of the biggest Mineral Show here in Italy in 2005 I bought a nice 
>individual howardite with a nice fresh crust.
>This sample was on a table of a moroccan dealer: Ismaily Sidi Mohamed ( I 
>think many of you know him!!!)
>
>At the time of the purchase this howardite (and all his sisters in a 
>plastic bag) was unclassified.
>
>I think this material was on the market in big quantity, so I think that 
>someone bought some pieces and did the analisys.
>Could someone from the pictures tell me a possible NWA number or a number 
>of something that could be paired??
>I have this piece in my collection and I want to know more about it!
>
>http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/Immagini/Meteoriti/Rocciose-Acondriti/NWAxxx-11.jpg
>http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/Immagini/Meteoriti/Rocciose-Acondriti/NWAxxx-11_1703.jpg
>
>
>Thank you a lot!
>
>Ciao
>
><><><><>
>Francesco Moser
>http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/
>IMCA #1510 www.imca.cc
>
>______________________________________________
>http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>Meteorite-list mailing list
>Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list

Prof. Zelimir Gabelica
Universit? de Haute Alsace
ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC,
3, Rue A. Werner,
F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France
Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94
Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15


From drtanuki at yahoo.com  Wed May  7 05:31:03 2008
From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 02:31:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD:  Rare Bondoc,
	Philippines  MES now being offered
Message-ID: <612778.8161.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


Hello List,
  I can offer Bondoc, Philippines (MES) at $25/ gram. 
Anyone interested please email off list.  Thank you.
Dirk Ross...Tokyo

From darryl at dof3.com  Wed May  7 07:49:44 2008
From: darryl at dof3.com (Darryl Pitt)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 07:49:44 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Berduc revisited
Message-ID: <DAD53346-E663-4628-B920-60E2D401524A@dof3.com>



Folks,

Several list members contacted me to inform me of recent Argentinean  
law which prohibits the export of meteorites without an permit.  As a  
result, I'm no longer offering the Berduc specimens indicated and I'm  
returning these specimens to the seller.    All best / d





From lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu  Wed May  7 08:05:35 2008
From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu (lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 05:05:35 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Go for a comet ride!
In-Reply-To: <1la224pgu4jeq4lqkjp26au6gdtire0k11@4ax.com>
References: <67244850-5BB8-43F2-B034-44F0CFDBDFF7@dof3.com>
	<1la224pgu4jeq4lqkjp26au6gdtire0k11@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <50794.71.226.60.25.1210161935.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu>

Verne also brought a gold "bolide" out of Earth orbit to exploit its
resources!

The Chase of the Golden Meteor [The Hunt of the Meteor]

Larry

On Tue, May 6, 2008 9:06 pm, Darren Garrison wrote:
> Found this recently:
>
>
> http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/temp/
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
>



From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Wed May  7 08:06:47 2008
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 05:06:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 7, 2008
Message-ID: <2420395.1331941210162007245.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>


http://www.rocksfromspace.org/May_7_2008.html


From cynapse at charter.net  Wed May  7 11:39:45 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 11:39:45 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Black Gold-- Chicxulub Tea
In-Reply-To: <DAD53346-E663-4628-B920-60E2D401524A@dof3.com>
References: <DAD53346-E663-4628-B920-60E2D401524A@dof3.com>
Message-ID: <67j3245km9e28illkh3fqit2d4mqvdl62t@4ax.com>

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2008/05/07/2238200.htm?site=science&topic=latest

Dinosaur killer may have struck oil

The dinosaur-killing Chicxulub meteor might have ignited an oilfield rather than
forests when it slammed into the Gulf of Mexico 65 million years ago, say
geologists.

Smoke-related particles found in sediments formed at the time of the impact are
strikingly similar to those created by modern high-temperature coal and oil
burning, as opposed to forest fires, says Professor Simon Brassell of Indiana
University.

He and colleagues from Italy and the UK publish their report on the discovery in
the May issue of the journal Geology.

Evidence of some sort of large burn that may have changed the world's climate at
the end of the Cretaceous has been around since the 1980s.

But scientists can't agree on just what sort of fire it was.

"It seemed like [vegetation] wildfires were the easiest solution," recalls
geochemist Professor Wendy Wolbach of DePaul University, who worked on evidence
of the fires at the time.

There was even the discovery of retene, a chemical released by cone-bearing
trees when they burn in forest fires today.

But that was before the Chicxulub crater had been identified.

What's more, Wolbach says, it has never been certain that the fires were global,
as some have suggested.

For one thing, there has never been a lot of fossil charcoal found from that
time, which would be expected if there had been so much vegetation burning.

"There isn't enough charcoal to account for that," says Brassell.

Particles of carbon
What he and his colleagues have found instead are particles called cenospheres,
which resemble the sooty output of industrial coal and oil burning, he says.

When cenospheres are found, they are usually associated with what's called fly
ash, which is man-made.

"In many places the presence of such material is taken as evidence as the
presence of human activities," says Brassell.

And since the Cretaceous-Tertiary boundary is about 65 million years too early
for humans and their coal-fired Industrial Revolution, something else had to be
burning fossil fuels.

Brassell and his team suggest that the Chicxulub meteor crashed into oily shales
of the Gulf of Mexico, which caused the oil in the rocks to vaporise and ignite
in the air, making cenospheres in the process.

Today the large oil fields that edge right up to the Chicxulub structure testify
to the ample supply of oil available to burn 65 million years ago.

Oil there today
It's even likely the impact itself was responsible for the fracturing and
heating of the rocks in that region and allowing the oil to collect into the
large pools that are found there today, Brassell says.

The bottom line, says Wolbach, is that the Chicxulub impact and its aftermath
were probably a lot more complicated than is sometimes portrayed.

"The retene seems to suggest that at least some wildfires burned," says Wolbach.
"I think it's probably a combination."

Tags: astronomy-space, chemistry, dinosaurs, earth-sciences, geology,
palaeontology


From mikewren at gilanet.com  Wed May  7 11:44:39 2008
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 09:44:39 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Auctions Ending TODAY! HIGHLIGHTED LINKS ADDED!
Message-ID: <200805070948853.SM01708@yourfsyly0jtwn>



________________________________________
From: michael cottingham [mailto:mikewren at gilanet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 9:40 AM
To: 'michael cottingham'
Subject: AD: Auctions Ending TODAY! HIGHLIGHTED LINKS ADDED!



________________________________________

Hello Everyone,


A lot of action this week in my ebay store & auctions! Entire Collection is
up for sale with lower price and more items added! Over 700 hits on the
entire collection auction-just today!? Plus, many others
 Check it out!?
Also, remember I am offering a 10k commission to the person who finds me a
buyer. Details of that have to be confirmed before sale though.? 



Go to:
http://stores.ebay.com/VOYAGE-BOTANICA-NATURAL-HISTORY

or

http://stores.ebay.com/VOYAGE-BOTANICA-NATURAL-HISTORY_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfti
dZ2QQsclZ2QQtZkm





(NEW), Really Nice, NWA 4977, L6, 5.12 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220533711

LTKW, SACRAMENTO WASH 002, Az., H4, 0.80 g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220533713

Nice Complete Slice, NWA 4950, L3.8, 11.34g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220533716

Very Rare Achondrite, NWA 2635, 1.10 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220533722

Extremely Rare ST. LOUIS, "Car Smasher" LTKW!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220598574

Very Rare LOS ANGELES (LA 002),Martian,0.165g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220603729

(NEW), NWA 5053, L4, 77.55 gram, End Slice
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220606229

Super Rare HAMLET, Indiana, LL4 Fall, 0.11g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220544979

Extremely Rare IREDELL,Texas, IIAB Iron,0.72g LAST ONE FOR AUCTION
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220544921

Very Rare INDIAN VALLEY, Va., IIAB Iron,0.77g LAST ONE FOR AUCTION!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220544899

Awesome"Hammer Stone" WORDEN, Michigan, .092g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220544861

(NEW), NWA 5054, Wholesale Lot, L5, 504g 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220544833

Rare Washington IVA Iron ALBION, 0.18 gram!? LAST ONE FOR AUCTION
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220544936

NEW H7 Meteorite, Super Rare, NWA 4229, 0.76 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220533761

(NEW), H4-5, NWA 5056, Nice Slice, 6.91g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220544890

Rare CO3.1 Fall 1937, KAINSAZ, Russia, 1.34g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220544894

Spectacular Diogenite, NWA 4755, 1.89 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220533776

NWA 2932, Beautiful Mesosiderite, 3.52 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220533743

Superb MONTURAQUI Impactite Individual 11.33g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220533735

Beautiful L3, SAHARA 02500, 4.57 gram, This one is Nice!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220533728

NWA 3118, Outstanding CV3, 0.91 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220533726

Awesome NWA 869, L4-6, Individual, 11.46g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220533732

Low Known Weight, TAHOKA, Texas, L5, 0.12g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220533712

And Many Others


Thanks and Best Wishes

Michael Cottingham










From info at mcomemeteorite.it  Wed May  7 12:08:26 2008
From: info at mcomemeteorite.it (M come Meteorite Meteorites)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 18:08:26 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Berduc revisited
Message-ID: <4821d3fa.7f.fda.1987594858@webmaildh2.aruba.it>

This is a serious dealer.

Matteo

----- Original Message -----
Da : Darryl Pitt <darryl at dof3.com>
A : Meteorite Mailing List
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Oggetto : [meteorite-list] Berduc revisited
Data : Wed, 7 May 2008 07:49:44 -0400

> Folks,
> 
> Several list members contacted me to inform me of recent
> Argentinean   law which prohibits the export of meteorites
> without an permit.  As a   result, I'm no longer offering
> the Berduc specimens indicated and I'm   returning these
> specimens to the seller.    All best / d
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list

From mark at meteorites.cc  Wed May  7 12:50:09 2008
From: mark at meteorites.cc (Mark Crawford)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 17:50:09 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Lots of micros
Message-ID: <4821DDC1.8080504@meteorites.cc>

Hi all,

I've listed a couple dozen specimens, mainly micros. There are a few 
rare types (OD, a nice L3.2, EL6, NWA 960 - H/L/LL3), some nice 
American  pieces (Gruver, Belle Plaine, Tulia), 2 micros of Cold 
Bokkeveld, and some small Gaos.  All still at 99p, ending in a few days.

http://stores.ebay.co.uk/London-Miscellany_W0QQsspagenameZMEQ3aFQ3aSTQQtZkm

Mark

-- 
Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc


From eric at meteoritewatch.com  Wed May  7 13:52:56 2008
From: eric at meteoritewatch.com (Eric Wichman)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 10:52:56 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] CHERRY STONES - SPECIAL Auction Ending In 3 Days
	11 Hours 5 Bids!
Message-ID: <4821EC78.3060809@meteoritewatch.com>

Hi All,

I've got some auctions ending tonight but one special auction ending in 
3 Days 11 hours with 5 Bids already. There's "37" stones total, some 
with beautiful 100% fusion crust, big chondrules, small chodrules and 
everything in between. It's a nice big mix of all kinds of chondrite 
meteorites.

CHERRY STONES: 254.7g LOT OF NWA XXX METEORITES ~SUPER DEAL~
http://cgi.ebay.com/CHERRY-STONES-254-7g-LOT-OF-NWA-XXX-METEORITES-SUPER_W0QQitemZ250244430763 


ABOUT "CHERRY STONE" METEORITES: "Unclassified" CHONDRITE METEORITES 
THAT HAVE BEEN HAND PICKED FOR QUALITY AND AESTHETICS!
Is this some obscure new classification? NOPE! Just my way of letting 
you know that these meteorites are of a higher quality than your normal 
NWA XXX chondrite meteorite. I get in Hundreds of kilos of meteorites a 
year. Going through and sorting these meteorites is a time consuming an 
tedious task, though it's still fun. So I figured why not take some of 
the nicer pieces and separate them from the lots I normally sell, and 
sell them at a discount in bulk. Individually these pieces would go for 
$.30/g to $1/g depending on quality and the time it takes me to sort, 
inventory, photograph, and list these pieces for sale. So I decided to 
free up some of my time and give you an awesome value. I sell them as 
"Cherry Stones" because that's what they are. They are cherry pieces 
that have been HAND PICKED from hundreds of meteorites for quality, 
aesthetics and most of all, value. Most of these pieces exhibit 
beautiful fusion crust with a few 100% crusted pieces! Some have very 
nice regmaglypts great chondrules and most importantly, collectibility. 
Dealers these are great for you too. You can as much as double your 
money on these great pieces when sold individually. They're great for 
jewelry as well!

If this auction is a success, as I know it will be, I will be having 
more of these sales in the future. I've put together a nice 254.7g bunch 
of hand picked chondrites with nice fusion crust, great shapes, and all 
at a great value. Contact me off list if you would like to know when my 
next CHERRY STONE auction will be.

Also listing lots more this weekend and this upcoming week:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZfreel3orn

Good Luck & Happy Bidding!

Regards,
Eric Wichman
www.MeteoritesUSA.com
www.MeteoriteWatch.com

Anyone wishing to buy in bulk at BIG discounts contact me OFF-LIST. Many 
Kilos available. Lots of Irons & Chondrites!




From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Wed May  7 17:17:29 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 14:17:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] 65-million-year-old Asteroid Impact Triggered a
	Global Hail of Carbon Beads
Message-ID: <200805072117.OAA05870@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



Media Relations 
Indiana University

Contact:
David Bricker, University Communications
812-856-9035

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: May 5, 2008

65-million-year-old asteroid impact triggered a global hail of carbon beads

BLOOMINGTON, Ind. -- The asteroid presumed to have wiped out the dinosaurs
struck the Earth with such force that carbon deep in the Earth's crust
liquefied, rocketed skyward, and formed tiny airborne beads that blanketed
the planet, say scientists from the U.S., U.K., Italy, and New Zealand in
this month's Geology.

The beads, known to geologists as carbon cenospheres, cannot be formed
through the combustion of plant matter, contradicting a hypothesis that the
cenospheres are the charred remains of an Earth on fire. If confirmed, the
discovery suggests environmental circumstances accompanying the
65-million-year-old extinction event were slightly less dramatic than
previously thought.

"Carbon embedded in the rocks was vaporized by the impact, eventually
forming new carbon structures in the atmosphere," said Indiana University
Bloomington geologist Simon Brassell, study coauthor and former adviser to
the paper's lead author, Mark Harvey.

The carbon cenospheres were deposited 65 million years ago next to a thin
layer of the element iridium -- an element more likely to be found in Solar
System asteroids than in the Earth's crust. The iridium-laden dust is
believed to be the shattered remains of the 200-km-wide asteroid's impact.
Like the iridium layer, the carbon cenospheres are apparently common.
They've been found in Canada, Spain, Denmark and New Zealand.

But the cenospheres' origin presented a double mystery. The cenospheres had
been known to geologists only as a sign of modern times -- they form during
the intense combustion of coal and crude oil. Equally baffling, there were
no power plants burning coal or crude oil 65 million years ago, and natural
burial processes affecting organic matter from even older ages -- such as
coals from the 300-million-year-old Carboniferous Period -- had simply not
been cooked long or hot enough.

"Carbon cenospheres are a classic indicator of industrial activity," Harvey
said. "The first appearance of the carbon cenospheres defines the onset of
the industrial revolution."

The scientists concluded the cenospheres could have been created by a new
process, the violent pulverization of the Earth's carbon-rich crust.

Geologists do believe the Earth burned in spots as molten rock and super-hot
ash fell out of the sky and onto flammable plant matter. But the
charcoal-ized products of these fires only appear in some places on Earth,
and are more often found near the asteroid impact site of Chicxulub Crater,
just west of Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula. Some geologists had thought all
carbon particles resulting from the impact was ash from global scale forest
fires, but the present research strongly contradicts that assumption.

The scientists examined rock samples from eight marine locations in New
Zealand, Italy, Denmark and Spain. They also examined carbon-rich particles
from five non-marine locations in the U.S. and Canada. Following chemical
and microscopic analysis, the researchers concluded the particles were
carbon cenospheres, similar to the ones produced by industrial combustion.

The scientists also found that the farther the sample site was from the
Chicxulub Crater, the smaller the cenospheres tended to be. That observation
is consistent with the expectation that particles were produced by the
asteroid impact, since once the particles are ejected, heavier particles
should fall back to Earth sooner (and travel shorter distances) than lighter
particles.

Last, the scientists estimated the total mass of carbon cenospheres ejected
by the asteroid collision, assuming a global distribution, to be perhaps as
much as 900 quadrillion kilograms. Whether or not the carbon cenospheres are
truly ubiquitous, however, needs further corroboration.

"There are still clues to unravel about the events occurring around the time
of the impact," Brassell said. "And there are aspects of the Earth's natural
carbon cycle that we didn't previously consider."

Harvey is interested in the unique properties of the cenospheres themselves.
"Perhaps we can generate and study carbon cenospheres to better understand
them," he said. "We also need to look for the cenospheres in other parts of
the world and also around the time of other extinction events."

Harvey conducted the research while he was a master's student at IU
Bloomington. He is now a geoscientist for Sinclair Knight Merz in New
Zealand. Claire Belcher (University of London) and Alessandro Montanari
(Coldigioco Geological Observatory) also contributed to the study. It was
funded by the Geological Society of America, the Indiana University
Department of Geological Sciences, and the Society for Organic Petrology.

IMAGE CAPTION:
[http://newsinfo.iu.edu/asset/page/normal/4887.html]
Carbon cenospheres are tiny, carbon-rich particles that form when coal and
heavy fuel are heated intensely. Scientists have now learned that
cenospheres can form in the wake of asteroid impacts, too. Photo by: Mark
Harvey


From mikewren at gilanet.com  Wed May  7 18:24:00 2008
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 16:24:00 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: AD: Auctions Ending TODAY! & 25% off in my
	ebay store...& SPECIAL NOTE!
Message-ID: <200805071628574.SM01740@yourfsyly0jtwn>


Hello, ^^^^SPECIAL NOTE****

I forgot to mention I also have a 25% off sale going on in my store.  Sorry
for the extra posting!  Also, my entire collection may sell soon and if
there were items that you wanted, now may be the time to make offers. I can
always adjust the sale price with my buyer, but if the deal closes, I will
be taking all my meteorites down from my ebay store, since they all will be
sold>

Michael Cottingham


________________________________________

Hello Everyone,


A lot of action this week in my ebay store & auctions! Entire Collection is
up for sale with lower price and more items added! Over 700 hits on the
entire collection auction-just today!? Plus, many others
 Check it out!?
Also, remember I am offering a 10k commission to the person who finds me a
buyer. Details of that have to be confirmed before sale though.? 



Go to:
http://stores.ebay.com/VOYAGE-BOTANICA-NATURAL-HISTORY

or

http://stores.ebay.com/VOYAGE-BOTANICA-NATURAL-HISTORY_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfti
dZ2QQsclZ2QQtZkm





(NEW), Really Nice, NWA 4977, L6, 5.12 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220533711

LTKW, SACRAMENTO WASH 002, Az., H4, 0.80 g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220533713

Nice Complete Slice, NWA 4950, L3.8, 11.34g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220533716

Very Rare Achondrite, NWA 2635, 1.10 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220533722

Extremely Rare ST. LOUIS, "Car Smasher" LTKW!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220598574

Very Rare LOS ANGELES (LA 002),Martian,0.165g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220603729

(NEW), NWA 5053, L4, 77.55 gram, End Slice
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220606229

Super Rare HAMLET, Indiana, LL4 Fall, 0.11g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220544979

Extremely Rare IREDELL,Texas, IIAB Iron,0.72g LAST ONE FOR AUCTION
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220544921

Very Rare INDIAN VALLEY, Va., IIAB Iron,0.77g LAST ONE FOR AUCTION!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220544899

Awesome"Hammer Stone" WORDEN, Michigan, .092g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220544861

(NEW), NWA 5054, Wholesale Lot, L5, 504g 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220544833

Rare Washington IVA Iron ALBION, 0.18 gram!? LAST ONE FOR AUCTION
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220544936

NEW H7 Meteorite, Super Rare, NWA 4229, 0.76 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220533761

(NEW), H4-5, NWA 5056, Nice Slice, 6.91g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220544890

Rare CO3.1 Fall 1937, KAINSAZ, Russia, 1.34g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220544894

Spectacular Diogenite, NWA 4755, 1.89 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220533776

NWA 2932, Beautiful Mesosiderite, 3.52 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220533743

Superb MONTURAQUI Impactite Individual 11.33g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220533735

Beautiful L3, SAHARA 02500, 4.57 gram, This one is Nice!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220533728

NWA 3118, Outstanding CV3, 0.91 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220533726

Awesome NWA 869, L4-6, Individual, 11.46g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220533732

Low Known Weight, TAHOKA, Texas, L5, 0.12g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200220533712

And Many Others


Thanks and Best Wishes

Michael Cottingham









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From JPBrockets at aol.com  Wed May  7 18:37:16 2008
From: JPBrockets at aol.com (JPBrockets at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 18:37:16 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad: NWA 769 Stone Achondrite Eucrite
Message-ID: <c34.30bf9842.3553891c@aol.com>

Dear list members:

For those possibly  interested in a nice 2.52 gram part slice, please take a  
look.

http://cgi.ebay.com/2-52-Gram-NWA-769-Stone-Achondrite-Eucrite-Meteorite_W0QQi
temZ200221616391QQihZ010QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Thanks.   

Juris
jpbrockets at aol.com  




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From m_graul at yahoo.de  Wed May  7 20:23:13 2008
From: m_graul at yahoo.de (Mirko Graul)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 00:23:13 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] =?iso-8859-1?q?AD=3A_Thin_sections_of_Puerto_L?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?=E1pice_/_La_Mancha_and_Carancas?=
Message-ID: <533952.28282.qm@web26306.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hello List,

i have listing on ebay today thin sections of Puerto L?pice(La Mancha) and Carancas.
Both names are fresh falls from the last time.
The thin sections are produced from the University of M?nster / Germany.

My ebay store:

http://stores.ebay.com/Mirko-Graul
Meteorite_W0QQsspagenameZMEQ3aFQ3aSTQQtZkm

Mirko

Mirko Graul Meteorite 
Quittenring.4 
16321 Bernau 
GERMANY 

Phone: 0049-1724105015 
E-Mail: m_graul at yahoo.de 

IMCA-Member: 2113 
(International Meteorite Collectors Association) 

Web: www.meteorite-mirko.de


      Lesen Sie Ihre E-Mails jetzt einfach von unterwegs.
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From m_graul at yahoo.de  Wed May  7 20:36:22 2008
From: m_graul at yahoo.de (Mirko Graul)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 00:36:22 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [meteorite-list]
 =?iso-8859-1?q?AD=3A_Thin_sections_of_Puerto_L?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?=E1pice_/_La_Mancha_and_Carancas?=
In-Reply-To: <533952.28282.qm@web26306.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <401054.39147.qm@web26306.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hello List,

sorry,here is the correct link to my ebay store:

http://stores.ebay.de/Mirko-GraulMeteorite_W0QQsspagenameZMEQ3aFQ3aSTQQtZkm


Mirko  


Mirko Graul Meteorite 
Quittenring.4 
16321 Bernau 
GERMANY 

Phone: 0049-1724105015 
E-Mail: m_graul at yahoo.de 

IMCA-Member: 2113 
(International Meteorite Collectors Association) 

Web: www.meteorite-mirko.de


--- Mirko Graul <m_graul at yahoo.de> schrieb am Do, 8.5.2008:

> Von: Mirko Graul <m_graul at yahoo.de>
> Betreff: [meteorite-list] AD: Thin sections of Puerto L?pice / La Mancha and Carancas
> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Datum: Donnerstag, 8. Mai 2008, 2:23
> Hello List,
> 
> i have listing on ebay today thin sections of Puerto
> L?pice(La Mancha) and Carancas.
> Both names are fresh falls from the last time.
> The thin sections are produced from the University of
> M?nster / Germany.
> 
> My ebay store:
> 
> http://stores.ebay.com/Mirko-Graul
> Meteorite_W0QQsspagenameZMEQ3aFQ3aSTQQtZkm
> 
> Mirko
> 
> Mirko Graul Meteorite 
> Quittenring.4 
> 16321 Bernau 
> GERMANY 
> 
> Phone: 0049-1724105015 
> E-Mail: m_graul at yahoo.de 
> 
> IMCA-Member: 2113 
> (International Meteorite Collectors Association) 
> 
> Web: www.meteorite-mirko.de
> 
> 
>       Lesen Sie Ihre E-Mails jetzt einfach von unterwegs.
> www.yahoo.de/go
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From gredfern at earthlink.net  Sun May  4 23:06:28 2008
From: gredfern at earthlink.net (Greg Redfern)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 23:06:28 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Astrocast.tv Episode 2
Message-ID: <003c01c8ae5d$0986a630$6500a8c0@gregufeopu010a>

Hi All,

  I hope you will enjoy viewing episode 2 of http://astrocast.tv/ . 

All the best,

Greg

Greg Redfern
NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador
http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html
WHAT'S UP?: THE SPACE PLACE
http://www.wtopnews.com/?sid=600113&nid=421
ASTROCAST
http://astrocast.tv/



From deanbessey at yahoo.com  Wed May  7 23:26:49 2008
From: deanbessey at yahoo.com (dean bessey)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 20:26:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] DEAN HITS 10,
	000 EBAY FEEDBACKS - NOW WITH A SHOOTING STAR
In-Reply-To: <401054.39147.qm@web26306.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <610148.26705.qm@web56106.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Well, not directly meteorite related I guess but a lot of those feedbacks are for meteorite sales. And anyway, I just wanted to brag. Took me 9 years to acompolish this. And I pulled off the stunt before ebay starts adding one feedback per week per other user so would have been done the wimpy way had it taken me another couple of months.
Mark Bostick beat me to it but its still pretty impressive (In my own mind anyway).
See My new shooting star in my ebay user id AMUNRE. While you are drooling over my new shooting star take an opportunity to look over my ebay store for hundreds of meteorites also. Buying meteorites is a great way to celebrate my new feedback shooting star. 
http://stores.ebay.com/DEANS-COLLECTIBLES-AND-GEMSTONES_Meteorites_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZ4QQftidZ2QQtZkm
Cheers
DEAN (AMUNRE on ebay)


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From MeteorHntr at aol.com  Wed May  7 23:28:36 2008
From: MeteorHntr at aol.com (MeteorHntr at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 23:28:36 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] DEAN HITS 10,
	000 EBAY FEEDBACKS - NOW WITH A SHOOTING S...
Message-ID: <c42.30767922.3553cd64@aol.com>

Congrats Dean!  Well deserved.

Steve  #1

In a message dated 5/7/2008 10:27:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
deanbessey at yahoo.com writes:
Well, not directly meteorite related I guess but  a lot of those feedbacks 
are for meteorite sales. And anyway, I just wanted to  brag. Took me 9 years to 
acompolish this. And I pulled off the stunt before ebay  starts adding one 
feedback per week per other user so would have been done the  wimpy way had it 
taken me another couple of months.
Mark Bostick beat me to  it but its still pretty impressive (In my own mind 
anyway).
See My new  shooting star in my ebay user id AMUNRE. While you are drooling 
over my new  shooting star take an opportunity to look over my ebay store for 
hundreds of  meteorites also. Buying meteorites is a great way to celebrate my 
new feedback  shooting star.  
http://stores.ebay.com/DEANS-COLLECTIBLES-AND-GEMSTONES_Meteorites_W0QQcolZ4QQ
dirZ1QQfsubZ4QQftidZ2QQtZkm
Cheers
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From pshugar at clearwire.net  Thu May  8 01:49:16 2008
From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 00:49:16 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Photo
Message-ID: <000201c8b0cf$5d282510$0201a8c0@laptop>

Hello list,
Awhile back someone had a link to the neatest link showing the size of 
objects in our solar system ranging from the sun down to asreriod size. It 
had about 20 objects.
Anybody got a copy of the photo or it's link?
Pete


From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Thu May  8 03:52:59 2008
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 02:52:59 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Photo
References: <000201c8b0cf$5d282510$0201a8c0@laptop>
Message-ID: <14b201c8b0e0$899782b0$db45e146@ATARIENGINE>

Pete, List,

Here is a very large pixel-count "official" to-scale
image of all 12 planets, good if you want to print
out a copy. The only change NASA made to the
original IAU diagram (no longer available) was to
"segregate" the dwarf planets. Hey! We all believe
in segregation, right?
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0608/planets_iau_big.jpg
(6032 x 3395 pixels)

These are are also a goodly number of pixels:

Everything on here (except Charon) is a Planet:
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj169/missninaelectro/TwelvePlanets_l.jpg

http://www.chillnite.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/WindowsLiveWriter/HelloNewSolarSystem_777B/solarsystemfull%5B2%5D.jpg

Most of these are planets; they're closely grouped, and there's about 20:
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/jpl/news/planetsf-20060815.html

12 New Planet Candidates, not all of which made the Cut:
http://johnkemeny.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/iau0601c%20planet%20candidates.jpg

3 New Planet Candidates, 2 of which made the Cut:
http://johnkemeny.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/iau0601b%20new%20planets.jpg

Some of them are "dwarf" planets, just like our Sun
is a "dwarf" star, right? My idea is that everybody who
thinks "dwarf" planets are not "real" planets be required
to take a hiking trip around the equator of Ceres, the
smallest "dwarf" planet. All they have to carry with them
is 3-4 months of food, water, and air -- it's "only" 2000
miles. Nice scenery, though.


Sterling K. Webb
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pete Shugar" <pshugar at clearwire.net>
To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 12:49 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Photo


Hello list,
Awhile back someone had a link to the neatest link showing the size of
objects in our solar system ranging from the sun down to asreriod size. It
had about 20 objects.
Anybody got a copy of the photo or it's link?
Pete

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From mlblood at cox.net  Thu May  8 06:24:17 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 03:24:17 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Solar System
In-Reply-To: <000201c8b0cf$5d282510$0201a8c0@laptop>
Message-ID: <C44822E1.16821%mlblood@cox.net>

Hi Pete,
        This one is my favorite:

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.funnychest.com/wp-content/upl
oads/2007/04/solar_system_planet_size_comparision_01.jpg&imgrefurl=http://ww
w.funnychest.com/2007/04/our-solar-systems-planet-size-comparision/&h=77&w=1
37&sz=34&tbnid=zB7NEK_LaN4J:&tbnh=77&tbnw=137&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsolar%2Bsys
tem%2Bplanet%2Bphotos&hl=en&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=1&ct=image&cd=2

        You can click on each of the 3 or 4 photos for a dramatic comparison
Of planetary size ratios.
        Best wishes, Michael

on 5/7/08 10:49 PM, Pete Shugar at pshugar at clearwire.net wrote:

> Hello list,
> Awhile back someone had a link to the neatest link showing the size of
> objects in our solar system ranging from the sun down to asreriod size. It
> had about 20 objects.
> Anybody got a copy of the photo or it's link?
> Pete
> 
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attitude you bring to life; not so much by what happens to you as by the way
your mind looks at what happens.'  --Kahlil Gibran






From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Thu May  8 06:50:58 2008
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 12:50:58 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Berduc revisited
In-Reply-To: <4821d3fa.7f.fda.1987594858@webmaildh2.aruba.it>
References: <4821d3fa.7f.fda.1987594858@webmaildh2.aruba.it>
Message-ID: <00e801c8b0f9$66b08990$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>

Still any Orissa for sale, Matteo?

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von M come
Meteorite Meteorites
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 7. Mai 2008 18:08
An: Darryl Pitt; Meteorite Mailing List
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Berduc revisited

This is a serious dealer.

Matteo

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Oggetto : [meteorite-list] Berduc revisited
Data : Wed, 7 May 2008 07:49:44 -0400

> Folks,
> 
> Several list members contacted me to inform me of recent
> Argentinean   law which prohibits the export of meteorites
> without an permit.  As a   result, I'm no longer offering
> the Berduc specimens indicated and I'm   returning these
> specimens to the seller.    All best / d
> 
> 
> 
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From lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu  Thu May  8 07:45:25 2008
From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu (lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 04:45:25 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Solar System
In-Reply-To: <C44822E1.16821%mlblood@cox.net>
References: <000201c8b0cf$5d282510$0201a8c0@laptop>
	<C44822E1.16821%mlblood@cox.net>
Message-ID: <52508.71.226.60.25.1210247125.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu>

Hi Pete:

I always have problems with the multi-line links. :(

Here is the orginal site:

http://www.livephysics.com/simulations/astronomy/scale-of-the-solar-system.html

And one that I found the goes an addition step:

http://www.saintjoe.edu/~dept14/environment/rogero/core5/celestial_compare.html

The following, while not as fancy, I turned into an Excel file that I then
used to "create" a series of scale models in my classroom using beads,
styrofoam balls and up through excercize balls (1 meter in diameter).

http://www.angelfire.com/sc2/Trunko/stars.html

Hope this helps.

Larry


On Thu, May 8, 2008 3:24 am, Michael L Blood wrote:
> Hi Pete,
> This one is my favorite:
>
>
> http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.funnychest.com/wp-content/
> upl
> oads/2007/04/solar_system_planet_size_comparision_01.jpg&imgrefurl=http:/
> /ww
> w.funnychest.com/2007/04/our-solar-systems-planet-size-comparision/&h=77&w
> =1
> 37&sz=34&tbnid=zB7NEK_LaN4J:&tbnh=77&tbnw=137&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsolar%2Bs
> ys tem%2Bplanet%2Bphotos&hl=en&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=1&ct=image&cd=2
>
>
> You can click on each of the 3 or 4 photos for a dramatic comparison
> Of planetary size ratios.
> Best wishes, Michael
>
>
> on 5/7/08 10:49 PM, Pete Shugar at pshugar at clearwire.net wrote:
>
>> Hello list,
>> Awhile back someone had a link to the neatest link showing the size of
>> objects in our solar system ranging from the sun down to asreriod size.
>> It
>> had about 20 objects. Anybody got a copy of the photo or it's link?
>> Pete
>>
>>
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>
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> the attitude you bring to life; not so much by what happens to you as by
> the way your mind looks at what happens.'  --Kahlil Gibran
>
>
>
>
>
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From lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu  Thu May  8 07:59:47 2008
From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu (lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 04:59:47 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Photo, oops
In-Reply-To: <000201c8b0cf$5d282510$0201a8c0@laptop>
References: <000201c8b0cf$5d282510$0201a8c0@laptop>
Message-ID: <52552.71.226.60.25.1210247987.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu>

Hi Pete:

The problem with reading email at 4 in the morning.

I misread your email and gave you star sizes.

Sterling was more awake and sent you the links you were looking for. Yes,
they are of fairly good resolution and can be made into lithos or even a
little larger.

Larry

On Wed, May 7, 2008 10:49 pm, Pete Shugar wrote:
> Hello list,
> Awhile back someone had a link to the neatest link showing the size of
> objects in our solar system ranging from the sun down to asreriod size. It
>  had about 20 objects. Anybody got a copy of the photo or it's link?
> Pete
>
>
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From mstreman53 at yahoo.com  Thu May  8 12:37:34 2008
From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 09:37:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] CHERRY STONES - SPECIAL Auction Ending In 3
	Days 11 Hours 5 Bids!
In-Reply-To: <4821EC78.3060809@meteoritewatch.com>
Message-ID: <729359.40279.qm@web51005.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Nice Ebay store layout and great website, Eric.

Congrats!

Elton


From mikewren at gilanet.com  Thu May  8 15:42:21 2008
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 13:42:21 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Whole Thing Baby!
Message-ID: <200805081346216.SM01660@yourfsyly0jtwn>

Hello,

Cutting through the chase. for anyone who is watching and considering.. Make
Me a Real Offer, No discounts, No Commissions, Just a Buyer Take all.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200221948080

Individual Pieces (Easily) tally at twice what it is at now!

Best Wishes

Michael Cottingham






From SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com  Thu May  8 15:53:25 2008
From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com (SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 15:53:25 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2008
Message-ID: <d58.1f1c6e99.3554b435@aol.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/May_8_2008.html  




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From MeteorHntr at aol.com  Thu May  8 16:00:12 2008
From: MeteorHntr at aol.com (MeteorHntr at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 16:00:12 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Whole Thing Baby!
Message-ID: <c41.344aa2cb.3554b5cc@aol.com>

Michael,

I see your high bidder so far,  is at $200,100.00 and their hidden ebay name 
starts with an "a" and has 10,005  positive feed back, one with a cool 
shooting star.  I wonder who is  interested in meteorites and has just crossed over 
that 10,000 feedback  mark???

:-)

Sounds like you have a serious offer Mike.  Good  luck with getting that 
bumped up to a price you are willing to take, it seems  like you are probably 
getting close to finding a new home for your  stuff.

Steve


In a message dated 5/8/2008 2:48:05 P.M. Central  Daylight Time, 
mikewren at gilanet.com writes:
Hello,

Cutting through the  chase. for anyone who is watching and considering.. Make
Me a Real Offer, No  discounts, No Commissions, Just a Buyer Take  all.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200221948080

Individual  Pieces (Easily) tally at twice what it is at now!

Best  Wishes

Michael Cottingham  




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From grf2 at verizon.net  Thu May  8 16:58:18 2008
From: grf2 at verizon.net (Jerry)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 16:58:18 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8,
	2008
In-Reply-To: <d58.1f1c6e99.3554b435@aol.com>
References: <d58.1f1c6e99.3554b435@aol.com>
Message-ID: <ED7DAE56A6FB430B8A1B3AFECA7BAC70@Notebook>

pronounce that one.
Jerry Flaherty
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To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 3:53 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2008


> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/May_8_2008.html
>
>
>
>
> **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on 
> family
> favorites at AOL Food.
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From cmb62 at columbus.rr.com  Thu May  8 17:33:38 2008
From: cmb62 at columbus.rr.com (Charley)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 17:33:38 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Photo
References: <mailman.309.1210243863.70471.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <000901c8b153$2dcfbc90$6401a8c0@HAL>

Hi Pete,

This might be want you were referring to.

http://kokogiak.com/solarsystembodieslargerthan200miles.html

Hope this helps.

Best regards,

Charley

"Well, squids don't work. Hey! Let's
  try elephants !"

                    Hannibal


> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 00:49:16 -0500
> From: "Pete Shugar" <pshugar at clearwire.net>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Photo
> To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Message-ID: <000201c8b0cf$5d282510$0201a8c0 at laptop>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Hello list,
> Awhile back someone had a link to the neatest link showing the size of
> objects in our solar system ranging from the sun down to asreriod
> size. It
> had about 20 objects.
> Anybody got a copy of the photo or it's link?
> Pete
>
>
>



From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Thu May  8 18:44:51 2008
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 15:44:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Terrestrial meteorites on the Moon
Message-ID: <64120.454.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi all - 

Since the Moon has no atmosphere to slow impacting
bodies, whatever the source, this idea is a
non-starter.

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas


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From grf2 at verizon.net  Thu May  8 19:30:38 2008
From: grf2 at verizon.net (Jerry)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 19:30:38 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Photo
In-Reply-To: <000901c8b153$2dcfbc90$6401a8c0@HAL>
References: <mailman.309.1210243863.70471.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
	<000901c8b153$2dcfbc90$6401a8c0@HAL>
Message-ID: <88257D6BF4CD4E719576B0D6FF76F638@Notebook>

Wicked Charley, Thanks Pete for asking.
Jerry Flaherty
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charley" <cmb62 at columbus.rr.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 5:33 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Photo


> Hi Pete,
> 
> This might be want you were referring to.
> 
> http://kokogiak.com/solarsystembodieslargerthan200miles.html
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Charley
> 
> "Well, squids don't work. Hey! Let's
>  try elephants !"
> 
>                    Hannibal
> 
> 
>> Message: 12
>> Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 00:49:16 -0500
>> From: "Pete Shugar" <pshugar at clearwire.net>
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Photo
>> To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Message-ID: <000201c8b0cf$5d282510$0201a8c0 at laptop>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> Hello list,
>> Awhile back someone had a link to the neatest link showing the size of
>> objects in our solar system ranging from the sun down to asreriod
>> size. It
>> had about 20 objects.
>> Anybody got a copy of the photo or it's link?
>> Pete
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
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From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Thu May  8 21:08:15 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 18:08:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - May 7, 2008
Message-ID: <200805090108.SAA15173@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES
May 7, 2008

o Lava Stratigraphy in the Flanks of Olympus Mons
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_007946_2035

o Eroded Crater Slopes in Ancient Noachis Region
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_007808_1575

o Jointed Rocks Near Nilosyrtis Mensae
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_007701_2095

o Frosted Crater Near Mars' North Pole
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_007673_2575

   
All of the HiRISE images are archived here:

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/

Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is 
online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is 
managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division 
of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA 
Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed 
Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor 
and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the 
University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies 
Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument.

From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Thu May  8 21:13:13 2008
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 18:13:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Isotopic dating of impacts
Message-ID: <738037.95202.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Sterling, Eric, all,

I'd be careful with those Sr numbers, as it appears
from the C14 and Be10 production that neutrons and
protons may be released in hypervelocity impacts.
  
Based on the impact products of recent large iron
impacts and cometary impacts, I am tending to think
that the impactor may provide much of the material for
tectites.

Of course, if the NASA budget was not controlled by
Mars nuts, we might have some answers to those
important questions by now.

E.P. Grondine
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From cynapse at charter.net  Thu May  8 22:29:51 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 22:29:51 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Nice pic-o-Gunlock here
In-Reply-To: <200805081346216.SM01660@yourfsyly0jtwn>
References: <200805081346216.SM01660@yourfsyly0jtwn>
Message-ID: <4od724h0b8i7mmsmheff2s2ps5nj2tlqbm@4ax.com>

http://www.sltrib.com/nascar/ci_9185247

From info at mcomemeteorite.it  Fri May  9 03:51:04 2008
From: info at mcomemeteorite.it (M come Meteorite Meteorites)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 09:51:04 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Congratulations to Dr.Connelly
Message-ID: <48240268.27c.140c.151244745@webmaildh4.aruba.it>

I have sent to Dr.Connelly many emails for the question of
the Lido di Venezia meteorite seen we have sent all analysis
months ago and not yet it was published in the met.bulletin,
we have sent analysis of new NWA material and not yet it was
published, and I not have received any answer.
Congratulations for the reliability. The strange is the
other NWA found from USA people immediatly they come
published in few months. Is not a case is a little " racism
" with european and above all with italian Researchers? If
yes, well I hope in many fast time born a European
Meteoritical Society so at least the ours "business" we can
manage from here.

Matteo


From rob_mccafferty at yahoo.com  Fri May  9 05:51:35 2008
From: rob_mccafferty at yahoo.com (Rob McCafferty)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 02:51:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Terrestrial meteorites on the Moon
In-Reply-To: <64120.454.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <262615.31780.qm@web51003.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

This is what I thought but Sterling did some hunting around and produced some numbers that I checked. Now I'm not sure of my maths but is seems to be the case that an object can leave the earth and hit the moon with only its escape velocity. At that speed the impact prssures are not enough to vapourise the impactor so it is possible to find fragments of terrestrial meteorite on the moon, in theory


--- On Thu, 5/8/08, E.P. Grondine <epgrondine at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: E.P. Grondine <epgrondine at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Terrestrial meteorites on the Moon
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Thursday, May 8, 2008, 11:44 PM
> Hi all - 
> 
> Since the Moon has no atmosphere to slow impacting
> bodies, whatever the source, this idea is a
> non-starter.
> 
> E.P. Grondine
> Man and Impact in the Americas
> 
> 
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From tbear1 at cableone.net  Fri May  9 10:19:00 2008
From: tbear1 at cableone.net (Ted Bunch)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 07:19:00 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Congratulations to Dr.Connelly
In-Reply-To: <48240268.27c.140c.151244745@webmaildh4.aruba.it>
Message-ID: <C449AB64.626D%tbear1@cableone.net>

Matteo - Let me assure you that there is no bias as to whether US or
European classifiers get some sort of preference on when meteorites get
classified. We have had over 80 classifications ignored for long periods of
time, some as long as 3 years. Recently, I have expressed my displeasure for
the ineptness of those responsible (many have been replaced) and finally
those 80 are being attended to.

Be patient, things will get be better.

Ted 


On 5/9/08 12:51 AM, "M come Meteorite Meteorites" <info at mcomemeteorite.it>
wrote:

> I have sent to Dr.Connelly many emails for the question of
> the Lido di Venezia meteorite seen we have sent all analysis
> months ago and not yet it was published in the met.bulletin,
> we have sent analysis of new NWA material and not yet it was
> published, and I not have received any answer.
> Congratulations for the reliability. The strange is the
> other NWA found from USA people immediatly they come
> published in few months. Is not a case is a little " racism
> " with european and above all with italian Researchers? If
> yes, well I hope in many fast time born a European
> Meteoritical Society so at least the ours "business" we can
> manage from here.
> 
> Matteo
> 
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From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Fri May  9 10:41:22 2008
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 07:41:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ordovician Meteorites...was New or maybe old
Message-ID: <513004.64237.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Sterling, Elton,

Just catching up with the mail here, as I have been
out selling my book.

Contra Muller and Morrison, the most likely injection
mechanism is not a companion body but rather cometary
impact due to gravitational fluctuation caused by our
solar system passing through our galaxy. In this case
most likely a cometary impact "disrupted" an
asteroidal parent body, and we should be seeing signs
of this in our "samples", the L meteorites. We now
have an estimated period for their "condensation",
"gravitational differentiation" within the parent
body.

We also gain a mechanism for setting the crater count
clock throughout the solar system, and once the
neutron and proton production are sorted out, and the
percents and travel times to other bodies, a pretty
good one.

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From cynapse at charter.net  Fri May  9 11:01:35 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 11:01:35 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Visit to a Small Planet
In-Reply-To: <48240268.27c.140c.151244745@webmaildh4.aruba.it>
References: <48240268.27c.140c.151244745@webmaildh4.aruba.it>
Message-ID: <8op824tqe0on6qm9gim3okl1a9s2srli4p@4ax.com>

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/may/07/starsgalaxiesandplanets.spaceexploration

Closer encounter: Nasa plans landing on 40m-wide asteroid travelling at
28,000mph

It was once considered the most dangerous object in the universe, heading for
Earth with the explosive power of 84 Hiroshimas. Now an asteroid called
2000SG344, a lump of rock barely the size of a large yacht, is in the spotlight
again, this time as a contender for the next giant leap for mankind.

Nasa engineers have identified the 1.1m tonne asteroid, which in 2000 was given
a significant chance of slamming into Earth, as a potential landing site for
astronauts, ahead of the Bush administration's plans to venture deeper into the
solar system with a crewed voyage to Mars.

The mission - the first to what officials call a Near Earth Object (NEO) - is
being floated within the US space agency as a crucial stepping stone to future
space exploration.

A report seen by the Guardian notes that by sending astronauts on a three-month
journey to the hurtling asteroid, scientists believe they would learn more about
the psychological effects of long-term missions and the risks of working in deep
space, and it would allow astronauts to test kits to convert subsurface ice into
drinking water, breathable oxygen and even hydrogen to top up rocket fuel. All
of which would be invaluable before embarking on a two-year expedition to Mars.

Under the Bush administration, Nasa has been charged with sending astronauts
back to the moon, beginning in 2020 and culminating in a permanent lunar
outpost, itself a jumping off point for more distant Mars missions. With the
agency's ageing fleet of space shuttles due to be retired soon after 2010, the
agency has begun work on a replacement called Orion and a series of Ares rockets
that will blast them into orbit.

In a study due to be published next month, engineers at Nasa's Johnson Space
Centre in Houston and Ames Research Centre in California flesh out plans to use
Orion for a three to six month round-trip to the asteroid, with astronauts
spending a week or two on the rock's surface.

As well as giving space officials a taste of more complex missions, samples
taken from the rock could help scientists understand more about the birth of the
solar system and how best to defend against asteroids that veer into Earth's
path.

"An asteroid will one day be on a collision course with Earth. Doesn't it make
sense, after going to the moon, to start learning more about them? Our study
shows it makes perfect sense to do this soon after going back to the moon," said
Rob Landis, an engineer at Johnson Space Centre and co-author of the report,
which is due to be published in the journal Acta Astronautica.

More precise measurements of the orbit of 2000SG344 have allayed fears that it
could hit Earth sometime around the end of September 2030, but the asteroid is
still expected to come close in astronomical terms.

The report lays out plans for a crew of two to rendezvous with a speeding
asteroid that is due to pass close by Earth. After a seven-week outward journey,
the Orion capsule would swing around and close in on the rock.

Because gravity is close to zero on asteroids, the capsule would need to attach
itself, possibly by firing anchors into the surface. For the same reason,
astronauts would not be able to walk around on the surface as they did on the
moon. "On some of these asteroids, you could jump up and go into orbit, or maybe
even leave for good," said Landis.

A round trip to an asteroid could be done with less fuel than a moon mission,
but is technically very challenging. The asteroid is only 40 metres across and
spins as it hurtles through space at 28,000mph.

Landis thinks that a trip to an asteroid could capture imaginations even more
than a return to our nearest celestial neighbour. "When we head back to the
moon, I think we'll see many of the same scenes we saw in the 60s and 70s Apollo
programme. We've been to the moon, we got that T-shirt back in 1969. But
whenever we've sent robotic probes to look at asteroids, we've always been
surprised at what we've seen," he said.

Because asteroids were forged in the earliest days of the solar system,
analysing samples from them could shed light on the conditions that prevailed
when the Earth was formed.

"Near Earth objects are a potential collision hazard to Earth and it may one day
be necessary to deflect an asteroid from a collision course with Earth," said
Ian Crawford, a planetary scientist at Birkbeck College, London. "Having the
capability in your back pocket to deflect an asteroid might be a good insurance
policy for the future, and for that, you want to know what they are made of, how
to rendezvous with them, and whether you risk getting hit by debris if you fire
something at it."

From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Fri May  9 11:06:38 2008
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 08:06:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tectite (Tektite) ages
Message-ID: <241242.86360.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Sterling, all - 

What we're seeing in regards to recent large iron
impacts (Barringer, Alaska, and Siberia) is a rain of
molten iron spherules. What we're seeing in regards to
recent cometary impacts (at 10,900 BCE) is a rain of
carbon spherules, containing high levels of 3He. 

Perhaps (once again, "Perhaps") the reason for the
identical dates for the tektites is an identical date
for the parent body, which is what they are formed
from, and not the age of the Earth's crust, as they
are not formed from that material. But Elton can speak
to large impact mechanics better than I can.

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas


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From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Fri May  9 12:09:47 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 09:09:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Congratulations to Dr.Connelly
In-Reply-To: <48240268.27c.140c.151244745@webmaildh4.aruba.it>
Message-ID: <817411.14372.qm@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Perhaps there are doubt about your meteorite.
Michael Farmer



--- M come Meteorite Meteorites
<info at mcomemeteorite.it> wrote:

> I have sent to Dr.Connelly many emails for the
> question of
> the Lido di Venezia meteorite seen we have sent all
> analysis
> months ago and not yet it was published in the
> met.bulletin,
> we have sent analysis of new NWA material and not
> yet it was
> published, and I not have received any answer.
> Congratulations for the reliability. The strange is
> the
> other NWA found from USA people immediatly they come
> published in few months. Is not a case is a little "
> racism
> " with european and above all with italian
> Researchers? If
> yes, well I hope in many fast time born a European
> Meteoritical Society so at least the ours "business"
> we can
> manage from here.
> 
> Matteo
> 
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>
http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> 


From drtanuki at yahoo.com  Fri May  9 12:26:09 2008
From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 09:26:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Visit to a Small Planet
In-Reply-To: <8op824tqe0on6qm9gim3okl1a9s2srli4p@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <46329.67738.qm@web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Dear Darren and List,
  Thank you Darren for the post.

  It seems to me that NASA should be more involved
with studying and actively chasing meteorites, samples
of different asteroids, here on Earth than worrying
about going after samples of ONE asteroid; much more
could be learned and at a much lower cost.  
  NASA should set up a meteorite recovery team that 
travels the globe to recover new meteorite falls and
discovery/detection systems that better detect their
entry and fall locations, as well their space
trajectories and origins.
  Orbits could be established and samples of a number
of far away asteroids could be better understood.
  Currently we rely upon private citizens (meteorite
hunters and astronomers) and a few scientists to do
this and their personal budgets are much more limited
and fall location information is often very
hit-and-miss.
  
  If NASA wants to go somewhere, head to Mars full
speed and don`t wait until 2030, 2050 or later.

  Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo

  

--- Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net> wrote:

>
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/may/07/starsgalaxiesandplanets.spaceexploration
> 
> Closer encounter: Nasa plans landing on 40m-wide
> asteroid travelling at
> 28,000mph
> 
> It was once considered the most dangerous object in
> the universe, heading for
> Earth with the explosive power of 84 Hiroshimas. Now
> an asteroid called
> 2000SG344, a lump of rock barely the size of a large
> yacht, is in the spotlight
> again, this time as a contender for the next giant
> leap for mankind.
> 
> Nasa engineers have identified the 1.1m tonne
> asteroid, which in 2000 was given
> a significant chance of slamming into Earth, as a
> potential landing site for
> astronauts, ahead of the Bush administration's plans
> to venture deeper into the
> solar system with a crewed voyage to Mars.
> 
> The mission - the first to what officials call a
> Near Earth Object (NEO) - is
> being floated within the US space agency as a
> crucial stepping stone to future
> space exploration.
> 
> A report seen by the Guardian notes that by sending
> astronauts on a three-month
> journey to the hurtling asteroid, scientists believe
> they would learn more about
> the psychological effects of long-term missions and
> the risks of working in deep
> space, and it would allow astronauts to test kits to
> convert subsurface ice into
> drinking water, breathable oxygen and even hydrogen
> to top up rocket fuel. All
> of which would be invaluable before embarking on a
> two-year expedition to Mars.
> 
> Under the Bush administration, Nasa has been charged
> with sending astronauts
> back to the moon, beginning in 2020 and culminating
> in a permanent lunar
> outpost, itself a jumping off point for more distant
> Mars missions. With the
> agency's ageing fleet of space shuttles due to be
> retired soon after 2010, the
> agency has begun work on a replacement called Orion
> and a series of Ares rockets
> that will blast them into orbit.
> 
> In a study due to be published next month, engineers
> at Nasa's Johnson Space
> Centre in Houston and Ames Research Centre in
> California flesh out plans to use
> Orion for a three to six month round-trip to the
> asteroid, with astronauts
> spending a week or two on the rock's surface.
> 
> As well as giving space officials a taste of more
> complex missions, samples
> taken from the rock could help scientists understand
> more about the birth of the
> solar system and how best to defend against
> asteroids that veer into Earth's
> path.
> 
> "An asteroid will one day be on a collision course
> with Earth. Doesn't it make
> sense, after going to the moon, to start learning
> more about them? Our study
> shows it makes perfect sense to do this soon after
> going back to the moon," said
> Rob Landis, an engineer at Johnson Space Centre and
> co-author of the report,
> which is due to be published in the journal Acta
> Astronautica.
> 
> More precise measurements of the orbit of 2000SG344
> have allayed fears that it
> could hit Earth sometime around the end of September
> 2030, but the asteroid is
> still expected to come close in astronomical terms.
> 
> The report lays out plans for a crew of two to
> rendezvous with a speeding
> asteroid that is due to pass close by Earth. After a
> seven-week outward journey,
> the Orion capsule would swing around and close in on
> the rock.
> 
> Because gravity is close to zero on asteroids, the
> capsule would need to attach
> itself, possibly by firing anchors into the surface.
> For the same reason,
> astronauts would not be able to walk around on the
> surface as they did on the
> moon. "On some of these asteroids, you could jump up
> and go into orbit, or maybe
> even leave for good," said Landis.
> 
> A round trip to an asteroid could be done with less
> fuel than a moon mission,
> but is technically very challenging. The asteroid is
> only 40 metres across and
> spins as it hurtles through space at 28,000mph.
> 
> Landis thinks that a trip to an asteroid could
> capture imaginations even more
> than a return to our nearest celestial neighbour.
> "When we head back to the
> moon, I think we'll see many of the same scenes we
> saw in the 60s and 70s Apollo
> programme. We've been to the moon, we got that
> T-shirt back in 1969. But
> whenever we've sent robotic probes to look at
> asteroids, we've always been
> surprised at what we've seen," he said.
> 
> Because asteroids were forged in the earliest days
> of the solar system,
> analysing samples from them could shed light on the
> conditions that prevailed
> when the Earth was formed.
> 
> "Near Earth objects are a potential collision hazard
> to Earth and it may one day
> be necessary to deflect an asteroid from a collision
> course with Earth," said
> Ian Crawford, a planetary scientist at Birkbeck
> College, London. "Having the
> capability in your back pocket to deflect an
> asteroid might be a good insurance
> policy for the future, and for that, you want to
> know what they are made of, how
> to rendezvous with them, and whether you risk
> getting hit by debris if you fire
> something at it."
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>
http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> 


From tbear1 at cableone.net  Fri May  9 12:28:28 2008
From: tbear1 at cableone.net (Ted Bunch)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 09:28:28 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Congratulations to Dr.Connelly
In-Reply-To: <C449AB64.626D%tbear1@cableone.net>
Message-ID: <C449C9BC.627E%tbear1@cableone.net>

In my earlier message about "ineptness" in reference to the classification
system, I should have pointed out that not all involved have had "inept"
moments. I compliment Caroline Smith and Gretchen Benedix of the NHM on the
fine job that they have done in handling the thousands of classifications.
They are messengers and "should not be shot".

Ted


On 5/9/08 7:19 AM, "Ted Bunch" <tbear1 at cableone.net> wrote:

> Matteo - Let me assure you that there is no bias as to whether US or
> European classifiers get some sort of preference on when meteorites get
> classified. We have had over 80 classifications ignored for long periods of
> time, some as long as 3 years. Recently, I have expressed my displeasure for
> the ineptness of those responsible (many have been replaced) and finally
> those 80 are being attended to.
> 
> Be patient, things will get be better.
> 
> Ted 
> 
> 
> On 5/9/08 12:51 AM, "M come Meteorite Meteorites" <info at mcomemeteorite.it>
> wrote:
> 
>> I have sent to Dr.Connelly many emails for the question of
>> the Lido di Venezia meteorite seen we have sent all analysis
>> months ago and not yet it was published in the met.bulletin,
>> we have sent analysis of new NWA material and not yet it was
>> published, and I not have received any answer.
>> Congratulations for the reliability. The strange is the
>> other NWA found from USA people immediatly they come
>> published in few months. Is not a case is a little " racism
>> " with european and above all with italian Researchers? If
>> yes, well I hope in many fast time born a European
>> Meteoritical Society so at least the ours "business" we can
>> manage from here.
>> 
>> Matteo
>> 
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> 
> 
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list



From drtanuki at yahoo.com  Fri May  9 12:51:25 2008
From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 09:51:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Re:  Visit to a Small Planet
Message-ID: <497037.5378.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Sorry my message did not post.

--- drtanuki <drtanuki at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 09:26:09 -0700 (PDT)
> From: drtanuki <drtanuki at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Visit to a Small
> Planet
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> 
> Dear Darren and List,
>   Thank you Darren for the post.
> 
>   It seems to me that NASA should be more involved
> with studying and actively chasing meteorites,
> samples
> of different asteroids, here on Earth than worrying
> about going after samples of ONE asteroid; much more
> could be learned and at a much lower cost.  
>   NASA should set up a meteorite recovery team that 
> travels the globe to recover new meteorite falls and
> discovery/detection systems that better detect their
> entry and fall locations, as well their space
> trajectories and origins.
>   Orbits could be established and samples of a
> number
> of far away asteroids could be better understood.
>   Currently we rely upon private citizens (meteorite
> hunters and astronomers) and a few scientists to do
> this and their personal budgets are much more
> limited
> and fall location information is often very
> hit-and-miss.
>   
>   If NASA wants to go somewhere, head to Mars full
> speed and don`t wait until 2030, 2050 or later.
> 
>   Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo
> 
>   
> 
> --- Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net> wrote:
> 
> >
>
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/may/07/starsgalaxiesandplanets.spaceexploration
> > 
> > Closer encounter: Nasa plans landing on 40m-wide
> > asteroid travelling at
> > 28,000mph
> > 
> > It was once considered the most dangerous object
> in
> > the universe, heading for
> > Earth with the explosive power of 84 Hiroshimas.
> Now
> > an asteroid called
> > 2000SG344, a lump of rock barely the size of a
> large
> > yacht, is in the spotlight
> > again, this time as a contender for the next giant
> > leap for mankind.
> > 
> > Nasa engineers have identified the 1.1m tonne
> > asteroid, which in 2000 was given
> > a significant chance of slamming into Earth, as a
> > potential landing site for
> > astronauts, ahead of the Bush administration's
> plans
> > to venture deeper into the
> > solar system with a crewed voyage to Mars.
> > 
> > The mission - the first to what officials call a
> > Near Earth Object (NEO) - is
> > being floated within the US space agency as a
> > crucial stepping stone to future
> > space exploration.
> > 
> > A report seen by the Guardian notes that by
> sending
> > astronauts on a three-month
> > journey to the hurtling asteroid, scientists
> believe
> > they would learn more about
> > the psychological effects of long-term missions
> and
> > the risks of working in deep
> > space, and it would allow astronauts to test kits
> to
> > convert subsurface ice into
> > drinking water, breathable oxygen and even
> hydrogen
> > to top up rocket fuel. All
> > of which would be invaluable before embarking on a
> > two-year expedition to Mars.
> > 
> > Under the Bush administration, Nasa has been
> charged
> > with sending astronauts
> > back to the moon, beginning in 2020 and
> culminating
> > in a permanent lunar
> > outpost, itself a jumping off point for more
> distant
> > Mars missions. With the
> > agency's ageing fleet of space shuttles due to be
> > retired soon after 2010, the
> > agency has begun work on a replacement called
> Orion
> > and a series of Ares rockets
> > that will blast them into orbit.
> > 
> > In a study due to be published next month,
> engineers
> > at Nasa's Johnson Space
> > Centre in Houston and Ames Research Centre in
> > California flesh out plans to use
> > Orion for a three to six month round-trip to the
> > asteroid, with astronauts
> > spending a week or two on the rock's surface.
> > 
> > As well as giving space officials a taste of more
> > complex missions, samples
> > taken from the rock could help scientists
> understand
> > more about the birth of the
> > solar system and how best to defend against
> > asteroids that veer into Earth's
> > path.
> > 
> > "An asteroid will one day be on a collision course
> > with Earth. Doesn't it make
> > sense, after going to the moon, to start learning
> > more about them? Our study
> > shows it makes perfect sense to do this soon after
> > going back to the moon," said
> > Rob Landis, an engineer at Johnson Space Centre
> and
> > co-author of the report,
> > which is due to be published in the journal Acta
> > Astronautica.
> > 
> > More precise measurements of the orbit of
> 2000SG344
> > have allayed fears that it
> > could hit Earth sometime around the end of
> September
> > 2030, but the asteroid is
> > still expected to come close in astronomical
> terms.
> > 
> > The report lays out plans for a crew of two to
> > rendezvous with a speeding
> > asteroid that is due to pass close by Earth. After
> a
> > seven-week outward journey,
> > the Orion capsule would swing around and close in
> on
> > the rock.
> > 
> > Because gravity is close to zero on asteroids, the
> > capsule would need to attach
> > itself, possibly by firing anchors into the
> surface.
> > For the same reason,
> > astronauts would not be able to walk around on the
> > surface as they did on the
> > moon. "On some of these asteroids, you could jump
> up
> > and go into orbit, or maybe
> > even leave for good," said Landis.
> > 
> > A round trip to an asteroid could be done with
> less
> > fuel than a moon mission,
> > but is technically very challenging. The asteroid
> is
> > only 40 metres across and
> > spins as it hurtles through space at 28,000mph.
> > 
> > Landis thinks that a trip to an asteroid could
> > capture imaginations even more
> > than a return to our nearest celestial neighbour.
> > "When we head back to the
> > moon, I think we'll see many of the same scenes we
> > saw in the 60s and 70s Apollo
> > programme. We've been to the moon, we got that
> > T-shirt back in 1969. But
> > whenever we've sent robotic probes to look at
> > asteroids, we've always been
> > surprised at what we've seen," he said.
> > 
> > Because asteroids were forged in the earliest days
> > of the solar system,
> > analysing samples from them could shed light on
> the
> > conditions that prevailed
> > when the Earth was formed.
> > 
> > "Near Earth objects are a potential collision
> hazard
> > to Earth and it may one day
> > be necessary to deflect an asteroid from a
> collision
> > course with Earth," said
> > Ian Crawford, a planetary scientist at Birkbeck
> > College, London. "Having the
> > capability in your back pocket to deflect an
> > asteroid might be a good insurance
> > policy for the future, and for that, you want to
> > know what they are made of, how
> > to rendezvous with them, and whether you risk
> > getting hit by debris if you fire
> > something at it."
> > ______________________________________________
> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >
>
http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> > 
> 
> 


From info at mcomemeteorite.it  Fri May  9 12:54:45 2008
From: info at mcomemeteorite.it (M come Meteorite Meteorites)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 18:54:45 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Congratulations to Dr.Connelly
Message-ID: <482481d5.17.17fa.918569417@webmaildh2.aruba.it>

hahahhaha oh yes yes....whan you return back the 6 kg. of
argentina meteorite take Illegally?  

Matteo

----- Original Message -----
Da : Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
A : M come Meteorite Meteorites <info at mcomemeteorite.it>,
meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] Congratulations to
Dr.Connelly
Data : Fri, 9 May 2008 09:09:47 -0700 (PDT)

> Perhaps there are doubt about your meteorite.
> Michael Farmer
> 
> 
> 
> --- M come Meteorite Meteorites
> <info at mcomemeteorite.it> wrote:
> 
> > I have sent to Dr.Connelly many emails for the
> > question of
> > the Lido di Venezia meteorite seen we have sent all
> > analysis
> > months ago and not yet it was published in the
> > met.bulletin,
> > we have sent analysis of new NWA material and not
> > yet it was
> > published, and I not have received any answer.
> > Congratulations for the reliability. The strange is
> > the
> > other NWA found from USA people immediatly they come
> > published in few months. Is not a case is a little "
> > racism
> > " with european and above all with italian
> > Researchers? If
> > yes, well I hope in many fast time born a European
> > Meteoritical Society so at least the ours "business"
> > we can
> > manage from here.
> > 
> > Matteo
> > 
> > ______________________________________________
> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> > 
> 

From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Fri May  9 12:57:46 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 09:57:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Congratulations to Dr.Connelly
In-Reply-To: <482481d5.17.17fa.918569417@webmaildh2.aruba.it>
Message-ID: <262458.32829.qm@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

And what makes you think I took 6 kilos of Argentina
meteorite? Are you as uneducated as the Argentines? I
put on my website 6 KG TOTAL ESTIMATED WEIGHT.
Do you understand that. Do you have proof I took one
gram of meteorites from Argentina? What you read in
newspapers is often very untrue.
When do you return the Kendrapara you stole from
India? You are aware that India claims all meteorites
as state property, I recall you selling pieces of it.
People who live in glass houses should not throw
stones...............

Michael Farmer


--- M come Meteorite Meteorites
<info at mcomemeteorite.it> wrote:

> hahahhaha oh yes yes....whan you return back the 6
> kg. of
> argentina meteorite take Illegally?  
> 
> Matteo
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> Da : Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> A : M come Meteorite Meteorites
> <info at mcomemeteorite.it>,
> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] Congratulations to
> Dr.Connelly
> Data : Fri, 9 May 2008 09:09:47 -0700 (PDT)
> 
> > Perhaps there are doubt about your meteorite.
> > Michael Farmer
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- M come Meteorite Meteorites
> > <info at mcomemeteorite.it> wrote:
> > 
> > > I have sent to Dr.Connelly many emails for the
> > > question of
> > > the Lido di Venezia meteorite seen we have sent
> all
> > > analysis
> > > months ago and not yet it was published in the
> > > met.bulletin,
> > > we have sent analysis of new NWA material and
> not
> > > yet it was
> > > published, and I not have received any answer.
> > > Congratulations for the reliability. The strange
> is
> > > the
> > > other NWA found from USA people immediatly they
> come
> > > published in few months. Is not a case is a
> little "
> > > racism
> > > " with european and above all with italian
> > > Researchers? If
> > > yes, well I hope in many fast time born a
> European
> > > Meteoritical Society so at least the ours
> "business"
> > > we can
> > > manage from here.
> > > 
> > > Matteo
> > > 
> > > ______________________________________________
> > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > >
> >
>
http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> > > 
> > 
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>
http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> 


From info at mcomemeteorite.it  Fri May  9 13:07:53 2008
From: info at mcomemeteorite.it (M come Meteorite Meteorites)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 19:07:53 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Congratulations to Dr.Connelly
Message-ID: <482484e9.1b7.4788.1810326912@webmaildh2.aruba.it>

http://www.lavoz901.com.ar/despachos.asp?cod_des=54740&ID_Seccion=14
 
http://www.lacapital.com.ar/contenidos/2008/05/04/noticia_5640.html

many strange, the all pieces of Kendrapara is go sold all in
USA and the 2 pieces I have in collection have give to me
direct from a doctor work in India university, all
legal....you I doubt.....


----- Original Message -----
Da : Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
A : M come Meteorite Meteorites <info at mcomemeteorite.it>,
meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] Congratulations to
Dr.Connelly
Data : Fri, 9 May 2008 09:57:46 -0700 (PDT)

> And what makes you think I took 6 kilos of Argentina
> meteorite? Are you as uneducated as the Argentines? I
> put on my website 6 KG TOTAL ESTIMATED WEIGHT.
> Do you understand that. Do you have proof I took one
> gram of meteorites from Argentina? What you read in
> newspapers is often very untrue.
> When do you return the Kendrapara you stole from
> India? You are aware that India claims all meteorites
> as state property, I recall you selling pieces of it.
> People who live in glass houses should not throw
> stones...............
> 
> Michael Farmer
> 
> 
> --- M come Meteorite Meteorites
> <info at mcomemeteorite.it> wrote:
> 
> > hahahhaha oh yes yes....whan you return back the 6
> > kg. of
> > argentina meteorite take Illegally?  
> > 
> > Matteo
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > Da : Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> > A : M come Meteorite Meteorites
> > <info at mcomemeteorite.it>,
> > meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] Congratulations to
> > Dr.Connelly
> > Data : Fri, 9 May 2008 09:09:47 -0700 (PDT)
> > 
> > > Perhaps there are doubt about your meteorite.
> > > Michael Farmer
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- M come Meteorite Meteorites
> > > <info at mcomemeteorite.it> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I have sent to Dr.Connelly many emails for the
> > > > question of
> > > > the Lido di Venezia meteorite seen we have sent
> > all
> > > > analysis
> > > > months ago and not yet it was published in the
> > > > met.bulletin,
> > > > we have sent analysis of new NWA material and
> > not
> > > > yet it was
> > > > published, and I not have received any answer.
> > > > Congratulations for the reliability. The strange
> > is
> > > > the
> > > > other NWA found from USA people immediatly they
> > come
> > > > published in few months. Is not a case is a
> > little "
> > > > racism
> > > > " with european and above all with italian
> > > > Researchers? If
> > > > yes, well I hope in many fast time born a
> > European
> > > > Meteoritical Society so at least the ours
> > "business"
> > > > we can
> > > > manage from here.
> > > > 
> > > > Matteo
> > > > 
> > > > ______________________________________________
> > > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > > > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> > > > 
> > > 
> > ______________________________________________
> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> > 
> 

From drtanuki at yahoo.com  Fri May  9 13:21:42 2008
From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 10:21:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Congratulations to Dr.Connelly
In-Reply-To: <482484e9.1b7.4788.1810326912@webmaildh2.aruba.it>
Message-ID: <695139.8348.qm@web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Matteo,
  Another thing that might be hold up your submissions
is your previous history of "finding questionable"
meteorites in Italy?
  As for racism of anyone within the NOMCOM or Dr.
Connelly I would say not.  You show a great lack of
respect by attacking a scientist of good-standing.
  Dirk Ross...Tokyo

--- M come Meteorite Meteorites
<info at mcomemeteorite.it> wrote:

>
http://www.lavoz901.com.ar/despachos.asp?cod_des=54740&ID_Seccion=14
>  
>
http://www.lacapital.com.ar/contenidos/2008/05/04/noticia_5640.html
> 
> many strange, the all pieces of Kendrapara is go
> sold all in
> USA and the 2 pieces I have in collection have give
> to me
> direct from a doctor work in India university, all
> legal....you I doubt.....
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> Da : Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> A : M come Meteorite Meteorites
> <info at mcomemeteorite.it>,
> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] Congratulations to
> Dr.Connelly
> Data : Fri, 9 May 2008 09:57:46 -0700 (PDT)
> 
> > And what makes you think I took 6 kilos of
> Argentina
> > meteorite? Are you as uneducated as the
> Argentines? I
> > put on my website 6 KG TOTAL ESTIMATED WEIGHT.
> > Do you understand that. Do you have proof I took
> one
> > gram of meteorites from Argentina? What you read
> in
> > newspapers is often very untrue.
> > When do you return the Kendrapara you stole from
> > India? You are aware that India claims all
> meteorites
> > as state property, I recall you selling pieces of
> it.
> > People who live in glass houses should not throw
> > stones...............
> > 
> > Michael Farmer
> > 
> > 
> > --- M come Meteorite Meteorites
> > <info at mcomemeteorite.it> wrote:
> > 
> > > hahahhaha oh yes yes....whan you return back the
> 6
> > > kg. of
> > > argentina meteorite take Illegally?  
> > > 
> > > Matteo
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > Da : Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> > > A : M come Meteorite Meteorites
> > > <info at mcomemeteorite.it>,
> > > meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > > Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] Congratulations
> to
> > > Dr.Connelly
> > > Data : Fri, 9 May 2008 09:09:47 -0700 (PDT)
> > > 
> > > > Perhaps there are doubt about your meteorite.
> > > > Michael Farmer
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- M come Meteorite Meteorites
> > > > <info at mcomemeteorite.it> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > I have sent to Dr.Connelly many emails for
> the
> > > > > question of
> > > > > the Lido di Venezia meteorite seen we have
> sent
> > > all
> > > > > analysis
> > > > > months ago and not yet it was published in
> the
> > > > > met.bulletin,
> > > > > we have sent analysis of new NWA material
> and
> > > not
> > > > > yet it was
> > > > > published, and I not have received any
> answer.
> > > > > Congratulations for the reliability. The
> strange
> > > is
> > > > > the
> > > > > other NWA found from USA people immediatly
> they
> > > come
> > > > > published in few months. Is not a case is a
> > > little "
> > > > > racism
> > > > > " with european and above all with italian
> > > > > Researchers? If
> > > > > yes, well I hope in many fast time born a
> > > European
> > > > > Meteoritical Society so at least the ours
> > > "business"
> > > > > we can
> > > > > manage from here.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Matteo
> > > > > 
> > > > >
> ______________________________________________
> > > > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > > > > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > > > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > ______________________________________________
> > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > >
> >
>
http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> > > 
> > 
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>
http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> 


From drtanuki at yahoo.com  Fri May  9 13:30:37 2008
From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 10:30:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Re:  Congratulations to Dr.Connelly
Message-ID: <125485.16125.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

again didnt post; sorry
--- drtanuki <drtanuki at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 10:21:42 -0700 (PDT)
> From: drtanuki <drtanuki at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Congratulations to
> Dr.Connelly
> To: M come Meteorite Meteorites
> <info at mcomemeteorite.it>, 
>     meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> 
> Matteo,
>   Another thing that might be hold up your
> submissions
> is your previous history of "finding questionable"
> meteorites in Italy?
>   As for racism of anyone within the NOMCOM or Dr.
> Connelly I would say not.  You show a great lack of
> respect by attacking a scientist of good-standing.
>   Dirk Ross...Tokyo
> 
> --- M come Meteorite Meteorites
> <info at mcomemeteorite.it> wrote:
> 
> >
>
http://www.lavoz901.com.ar/despachos.asp?cod_des=54740&ID_Seccion=14
> >  
> >
>
http://www.lacapital.com.ar/contenidos/2008/05/04/noticia_5640.html
> > 
> > many strange, the all pieces of Kendrapara is go
> > sold all in
> > USA and the 2 pieces I have in collection have
> give
> > to me
> > direct from a doctor work in India university, all
> > legal....you I doubt.....
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > Da : Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> > A : M come Meteorite Meteorites
> > <info at mcomemeteorite.it>,
> > meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] Congratulations to
> > Dr.Connelly
> > Data : Fri, 9 May 2008 09:57:46 -0700 (PDT)
> > 
> > > And what makes you think I took 6 kilos of
> > Argentina
> > > meteorite? Are you as uneducated as the
> > Argentines? I
> > > put on my website 6 KG TOTAL ESTIMATED WEIGHT.
> > > Do you understand that. Do you have proof I took
> > one
> > > gram of meteorites from Argentina? What you read
> > in
> > > newspapers is often very untrue.
> > > When do you return the Kendrapara you stole from
> > > India? You are aware that India claims all
> > meteorites
> > > as state property, I recall you selling pieces
> of
> > it.
> > > People who live in glass houses should not throw
> > > stones...............
> > > 
> > > Michael Farmer
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- M come Meteorite Meteorites
> > > <info at mcomemeteorite.it> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > hahahhaha oh yes yes....whan you return back
> the
> > 6
> > > > kg. of
> > > > argentina meteorite take Illegally?  
> > > > 
> > > > Matteo
> > > > 
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > Da : Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> > > > A : M come Meteorite Meteorites
> > > > <info at mcomemeteorite.it>,
> > > > meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > > > Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] Congratulations
> > to
> > > > Dr.Connelly
> > > > Data : Fri, 9 May 2008 09:09:47 -0700 (PDT)
> > > > 
> > > > > Perhaps there are doubt about your
> meteorite.
> > > > > Michael Farmer
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- M come Meteorite Meteorites
> > > > > <info at mcomemeteorite.it> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > I have sent to Dr.Connelly many emails for
> > the
> > > > > > question of
> > > > > > the Lido di Venezia meteorite seen we have
> > sent
> > > > all
> > > > > > analysis
> > > > > > months ago and not yet it was published in
> > the
> > > > > > met.bulletin,
> > > > > > we have sent analysis of new NWA material
> > and
> > > > not
> > > > > > yet it was
> > > > > > published, and I not have received any
> > answer.
> > > > > > Congratulations for the reliability. The
> > strange
> > > > is
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > other NWA found from USA people immediatly
> > they
> > > > come
> > > > > > published in few months. Is not a case is
> a
> > > > little "
> > > > > > racism
> > > > > > " with european and above all with italian
> > > > > > Researchers? If
> > > > > > yes, well I hope in many fast time born a
> > > > European
> > > > > > Meteoritical Society so at least the ours
> > > > "business"
> > > > > > we can
> > > > > > manage from here.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Matteo
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >
> > ______________________________________________
> > > > > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > > > > > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > > > > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > ______________________________________________
> > > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > > > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> > > > 
> > > 
> > ______________________________________________
> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >
>
http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> > 
> 
> 


From info at mcomemeteorite.it  Fri May  9 13:44:59 2008
From: info at mcomemeteorite.it (M come Meteorite Meteorites)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 19:44:59 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Re:  Congratulations to Dr.Connelly
Message-ID: <48248d9b.b2.26c6.750979237@webmaildh1.aruba.it>


> > 
> > Matteo,
> >   Another thing that might be hold up your
> > submissions
> > is your previous history of "finding questionable"
> > meteorites in Italy?
> >   As for racism of anyone within the NOMCOM or Dr.
> > Connelly I would say not.  You show a great lack of
> > respect by attacking a scientist of good-standing.
> >   Dirk Ross...Tokyo

I have say I have sent tons of emails without any answer,
not nice behavior for a member of the Met.Society....lucky
now the responsable of the met.bulletin is change, we hope
now the new responsable answer to the questions sent via
email and not ignore

matteo


From mlblood at cox.net  Fri May  9 14:36:07 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 11:36:07 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Solar System
In-Reply-To: <C449F0BE.11642%steff@gwtc.net>
Message-ID: <C449E7A7.168B9%mlblood@cox.net>

Sorry,
        Try this one:

http://www.funnychest.com/2007/04/our-solar-systems-planet-size-comparision/
 
       Then get a new computer!
       Best wishes, Michael


on 5/9/08 11:14 AM, fredric stephan at steff at gwtc.net wrote:

> AHOY  there  CAPTAIN  BLOOD  999 IF  I  made  be  so  bold  )
> 
> I  cannot retrieve the website you listed. Possibly
> 
> my computer;  which  is  10  years  old  and  needs  a  wheel  chair.
> 
> Any  ideas  are  welcome.
> 
> Regards,    Fritz

'Your living is determined not so much by what life brings to you as by the
attitude you bring to life; not so much by what happens to you as by the way
your mind looks at what happens.'  --Kahlil Gibran






From mstreman53 at yahoo.com  Fri May  9 15:02:19 2008
From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 12:02:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Terrestrial meteorites on the Moon
In-Reply-To: <262615.31780.qm@web51003.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <663360.83240.qm@web51002.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I believe that even a survivor of a fall to the surface of Luna will likely have been pulverized into regolith by the constant bombardment that reduces other moon rocks into lunar soil.  Seems to me that the place to look is under the soil and under crater ejecta blankets and that will never be economical unless some sort of marker can be established to narrow the search.

Time is not on the side of meteorite survival. What were the most recent cratering events on earth that was large enough to possibly eject target rock?  Chesapeake?  Reis? Chuxilub?  Assuming a moderate transit time that is still several tens of millions of , years on the surface.

Elton


--- On Fri, 5/9/08, Rob McCafferty <rob_mccafferty at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Rob McCafferty <rob_mccafferty at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Terrestrial meteorites on the Moon
> To: "E.P. Grondine" <epgrondine at yahoo.com>, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Friday, May 9, 2008, 5:51 AM
> This is what I thought but Sterling did some hunting around
> and produced some numbers that I checked. Now I'm not
> sure of my maths but is seems to be the case that an object
> can leave the earth and hit the moon with only its escape
> velocity. At that speed the impact prssures are not enough
> to vapourise the impactor so it is possible to find
> fragments of terrestrial meteorite on the moon, in theory
> 
> 
> --- On Thu, 5/8/08, E.P. Grondine
> <epgrondine at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: E.P. Grondine <epgrondine at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Terrestrial meteorites
> on the Moon
> > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Date: Thursday, May 8, 2008, 11:44 PM
> > Hi all - 
> > 
> > Since the Moon has no atmosphere to slow impacting
> > bodies, whatever the source, this idea is a
> > non-starter.
> > 
> > E.P. Grondine
> > Man and Impact in the Americas
> > 
> > 
> >      
> >
> ____________________________________________________________________________________
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> > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile.  Try it now. 
> >
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From drtanuki at yahoo.com  Fri May  9 15:08:37 2008
From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 12:08:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Re:  Congratulations to Dr.Connelly
In-Reply-To: <48248d9b.b2.26c6.750979237@webmaildh1.aruba.it>
Message-ID: <778052.2987.qm@web53208.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Matteo,
  Hopefully you will get your answer soon.  I believe
that there are regional representatives that you can
contact on the NOMCOM to submit you new findings. 
Maybe someone has those contact for NWA and European
meteorites.  Dr. Connelly is the Chair of the NOMCOM,
but the representatives can bring them before the
committee.  Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo

Here is a link with addresses of NOMCOM members for
specific regions.  Try them.

http://meteoriticalsociety.org/bulletin/TermExpirations.htm

--- M come Meteorite Meteorites
<info at mcomemeteorite.it> wrote:

> 
> > > 
> > > Matteo,
> > >   Another thing that might be hold up your
> > > submissions
> > > is your previous history of "finding
> questionable"
> > > meteorites in Italy?
> > >   As for racism of anyone within the NOMCOM or
> Dr.
> > > Connelly I would say not.  You show a great lack
> of
> > > respect by attacking a scientist of
> good-standing.
> > >   Dirk Ross...Tokyo
> 
> I have say I have sent tons of emails without any
> answer,
> not nice behavior for a member of the
> Met.Society....lucky
> now the responsable of the met.bulletin is change,
> we hope
> now the new responsable answer to the questions sent
> via
> email and not ignore
> 
> matteo
> 
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>
http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> 


From drtanuki at yahoo.com  Fri May  9 15:10:34 2008
From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 12:10:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Re:    Congratulations to Dr.Connelly
Message-ID: <270507.993.qm@web53212.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

bounced again

--- drtanuki <drtanuki at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 12:08:37 -0700 (PDT)
> From: drtanuki <drtanuki at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Re: 
> Congratulations to Dr.Connelly
> To: M come Meteorite Meteorites
> <info at mcomemeteorite.it>, 
>     meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> 
> Matteo,
>   Hopefully you will get your answer soon.  I
> believe
> that there are regional representatives that you can
> contact on the NOMCOM to submit you new findings. 
> Maybe someone has those contact for NWA and European
> meteorites.  Dr. Connelly is the Chair of the
> NOMCOM,
> but the representatives can bring them before the
> committee.  Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo
> 
> Here is a link with addresses of NOMCOM members for
> specific regions.  Try them.
> 
>
http://meteoriticalsociety.org/bulletin/TermExpirations.htm
> 
> --- M come Meteorite Meteorites
> <info at mcomemeteorite.it> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > > > 
> > > > Matteo,
> > > >   Another thing that might be hold up your
> > > > submissions
> > > > is your previous history of "finding
> > questionable"
> > > > meteorites in Italy?
> > > >   As for racism of anyone within the NOMCOM or
> > Dr.
> > > > Connelly I would say not.  You show a great
> lack
> > of
> > > > respect by attacking a scientist of
> > good-standing.
> > > >   Dirk Ross...Tokyo
> > 
> > I have say I have sent tons of emails without any
> > answer,
> > not nice behavior for a member of the
> > Met.Society....lucky
> > now the responsable of the met.bulletin is change,
> > we hope
> > now the new responsable answer to the questions
> sent
> > via
> > email and not ignore
> > 
> > matteo
> > 
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> 
> 


From drtanuki at yahoo.com  Fri May  9 15:18:48 2008
From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 12:18:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Matteo on submitting a met for the NOMCOM Editor,
	Dr. Michael K. Weisberg  contact him
Message-ID: <810045.18406.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Matteo and List,

"All new submissions are to be sent directly to the
Editor, Dr. Michael K. Weisberg If you have any
questions please contact the Editor."

http://meteoriticalsociety.org/simple_template.cfm?code=pub_bulletinsubmit


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From mark at meteorites.cc  Fri May  9 16:51:41 2008
From: mark at meteorites.cc (Mark Crawford)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 21:51:41 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Thin sections?
Message-ID: <4824B95D.1060200@meteorites.cc>

Evening list,

As part of my attempts to lean more about our common interest, I've been 
reading up and trying to get my head round some basic mineralogy - in 
particular using thin-section microscopy.

I wondered if any members had any old sections, perhaps 
dirty/cracked/damaged, or some surplus inexpensive specimens, which they 
would be prepared to sell for a modest sum? Meteoritic obviously 
preferred, but terrestrial would also be appreciated.

If anyone can help please contact me off-list.

Thanks,
Mark

-- 
Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc


From meteoritefinder at gmail.com  Fri May  9 19:42:36 2008
From: meteoritefinder at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 16:42:36 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Added another story to my homepage.
Message-ID: <468bf6050805091642x71f3e942h72dd718e3b3e89ae@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone I have finally learned to work with my website and it
really is kinda fun. So for my latest update I have added the story
about the main mass of Glorieta. You can find it here
www.meteoritefinder.com  I have added new links and items for sale
almost daily. So it is growing quickly right now.

-- 
Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401
www.meteoritefinder.com
 928-753-6825

From david.carothers at verizon.net  Fri May  9 19:51:23 2008
From: david.carothers at verizon.net (Dave Carothers)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 19:51:23 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Added another story to my homepage.
References: <468bf6050805091642x71f3e942h72dd718e3b3e89ae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <019b01c8b22f$97154620$6401a8c0@WINBOOKJ>

Good job, Mike.  Nicely done and thanks for posting the story.

Regards,

Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Miller" <meteoritefinder at gmail.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 7:42 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Added another story to my homepage.


> Hello everyone I have finally learned to work with my website and it
> really is kinda fun. So for my latest update I have added the story
> about the main mass of Glorieta. You can find it here
> www.meteoritefinder.com  I have added new links and items for sale
> almost daily. So it is growing quickly right now.
> 
> -- 
> Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401
> www.meteoritefinder.com
> 928-753-6825
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From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri May  9 21:03:42 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 18:03:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Phoenix Flying True Enough to Skip One Scheduled
	Adjustment
Message-ID: <200805100103.SAA26002@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/newsroom/pressreleases/20080509a.html

Phoenix Flying True Enough to Skip One Scheduled Adjustment
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
May 09, 2008

NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander continues on course for its May 25 arrival at
Mars. After targeting its certified landing site with a trajectory, or
flight path, correction maneuver on April 10, the spacecraft's
performance has been stable enough for the mission's operators to forgo
the scheduled opportunity for an additional trajectory correction
maneuver on May 10 and focus on the next such opportunity, on May 17.

The Phoenix navigation team at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory,
Pasadena, Calif., made that recommendation after assessing the
trajectory this week and mission management accepted the recommendation
late Thursday. Phoenix has performed three flight path correction
maneuvers since its Aug. 4, 2007, launch. Besides the May 17 one, the
final opportunity for adjusting the course to hit the targeted landing
area will be in the final 24 hours before landing.

The first possible confirmation time for the spacecraft's landing on May
25 will be at 4:53 p.m. Pacific Daylight Time. The event would have
happened 15 minutes and 20 seconds earlier on Mars, and then radio
signals traveling at the speed of light will take 15 minutes and 20
seconds to cross the distance from Mars to Earth on that day.

The Phoenix mission is led by Peter Smith of the University of Arizona,
Tucson, with project management at JPL and development partnership at
Lockheed Martin, Denver. International contributions are provided by the
Canadian Space Agency; the University of Neuchatel, Switzerland; the
universities of Copenhagen and Aarhus, Denmark; the Max Planck
Institute, Germany; and the Finnish Meteorological Institute.

###
Guy Webster 818-354-6278
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
guy.webster at jpl.nasa.gov


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri May  9 21:13:37 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 18:13:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: May 5-9, 2008
Message-ID: <200805100113.SAA28285@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES
May 5-9, 2008

o Herschel Dunes (Released 05 May 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080505a

o Dunes (Released 06 May 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080506a

o Dunes (Released 07 May 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080507a

o Landslides (Released 08 May 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080508a

o Landslide (Released 09 May 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080509a


All of the THEMIS images are archived here:

http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html

NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission 
for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission 
Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University,
Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. 
The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State 
University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor 
for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission 
operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a 
division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. 




From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri May  9 21:20:48 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 18:20:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Intense Testing Paved Phoenix Road to Mars
Message-ID: <200805100120.SAA00621@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/spotlight/20080509_PHX.html

Intense Testing Paved Phoenix Road to Mars
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
May 09, 2008

When NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander descends to the surface of the Red
Planet on May 25, few will be watching as closely as the men and women
who have spent years planning, analyzing and conducting tests to prepare
for the dramatic and nerve-wracking event known as EDL - Entry, Descent
and Landing. For after all their hard work, they know that landing on
Mars is not a walk in the park. Less than 50 percent of all previous
lander missions have made it safely to the surface.

Like all missions, Phoenix was motivated by the potential science
rewards. With its robotic arm, Phoenix will be the first mission to
reach out and touch water ice in Mars' north polar region. The mission
will study the history of the water in the ice, monitor weather of the
polar region, and investigate whether the subsurface environment in the
far-northern plains of Mars has ever been favorable for sustaining
microbial life.

Much of the Phoenix spacecraft already sat in secure storage when, in
2003, NASA selected it over other proposals to fly to Mars. Phoenix's
main systems were designed and built for launch as the Mars Surveyor
2001 Lander, but that mission was canceled in February 2000, after the
loss of a similar spacecraft, the Mars Polar Lander, during its arrival
at Mars in 1999.

The team that proposed the Phoenix mission, led by Peter Smith of the
University of Arizona, Tucson, developed a plan to bring the spacecraft
out of storage, thoroughly analyze and test it, resolve all known
problems, and add upgrades so it could pursue a new set of science
goals. The spacecraft heritage of the 2001 lander, derived from the
"faster, better, cheaper" era, brought with it opportunities, along with
several challenges.

Phoenix Project Manager Barry Goldstein of NASA's Jet Propulsion
Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., discussed the team's approach to adapting
a pre-built spacecraft for this mission, instead of developing one from
scratch: "One consequence of having so much of the hardware in place
from the start was that we could focus our resources into testing and
analysis. We evaluated the robustness of the vehicle to perform the
mission we designed, most notably the entry, descent and landing."

The team first focused on correcting all the vulnerabilities identified
by earlier investigations into the loss of the Mars Polar Lander. "That
wasn't enough," Goldstein said. "We eventually identified and mitigated
more than a dozen other potential issues with the spacecraft that could
have had dire consequences." Extensive testing and analysis also
identified concerns that could have affected the lander, solar array
deployment, and its science instruments after arrival on the Martian
surface. However, an acceptable amount of risk still exists--for
example, most hardware is at least 8 to 10 years old, and certain
subsystems have no redundancy during the entry, descent and landing.

Goldstein said, "We've done everything we can to lower the risks of this
mission to acceptable levels, but in no way does that mean we've
eliminated all risk. Planetary exploration is risky by its very nature,
and there are numerous challenges ahead of us, the first of which is
entry, descent and landing."

Here are descriptions of five examples of problematic hardware and
resolutions resulting from the extensive work done by the Phoenix
engineering and science team.

Radar

Phoenix uses a radar system initially designed as an altimeter for
fighter jets. During the final minutes before landing, after the
spacecraft has jettisoned its heat shield, Phoenix will rely on the
radar for information about not just the altitude, but also the descent
velocity and the horizontal velocity. The onboard computer will use that
information several times per second to adjust the firing of 12 descent
thrusters.

Using the radar for this novel purpose required a tremendous amount of
testing, "We did more than 60 hours of flight testing, including 72
different drops at three sites with different geological
characteristics," said David Skulsky, a JPL engineer on the Phoenix
team. That's more radar flight testing than all previous NASA Mars
missions combined."

Radar tests also included custom-developed simulations of performance
under Martian conditions. Running one of those simulator tests just four
months before the spacecraft was due to be delivered to Florida for
launch, Curtis Chen, a JPL radar engineer, noticed some strange
behavior. Analysis confirmed that, under some circumstances, the radar
could be confused by the jettisoned heat shield.

JPL's Dara Sabahi, chief engineer for Phoenix, said, "If this occurred
in flight, the spacecraft would think it was much closer to the ground
than it actually was. It would be a guaranteed failure."

Once the testing had revealed the potential problem, engineers designed
a relatively simple solution using adjustments related to the timing of
radar pulses. However, the schedule was tight, and additional flight
tests were needed to be sure that fixing that issue had not created
others. "We worked all the way to launch on the testing, and even did
more testing after launch to be sure we understand the performance,"
Sabahi said.

In addition, NASA formed a Radar Independent Review Team of key radar
experts to evaluate the activities of the Phoenix team working with the
radar. The review team was chartered to determine if the radar had been
properly characterized, if the important risks associated with its
performance have been identified, mitigated, and that unmitigated
residual radar risks represented a low risk to the mission. The Phoenix
team followed all recommendations from the Independent Review Team. The
review team endorsed the approach taken by the project to resolve all
anomalies. They concluded that the probability for a successful landing
on Mars under radar guidance was comparable to or better than that of
prior missions.

Parachute

The lander will separate from its parachute about 40 seconds before
reaching the ground. Thrusters will begin firing half a second later and
continue pulsing all the way to the surface, controlling both vertical
and horizontal velocity, plus the spacecraft's orientation.

"We did some analysis that showed there was a three-to-five percent
chance, depending on wind conditions, that the lander would have some
kind of re-contact with the parachute," said Rob Grover, chief of the
Phoenix entry, descent and landing team at JPL. "The worst situation
would be to have the parachute come down right on top of the lander and
prevent deployment of the solar arrays."

Rather than rely on the odds against such an occurrence, engineers
designed a maneuver for the lander to avoid the parachute. Horizontal
motion identified by the radar while the lander is still connected to
the parachute will indicate wind direction and speed. If the wind is
strong, the parachute will blow away on its own. If the wind is weak,
the lander will use its thrusters after separating from the parachute to
push itself upwind, away from the falling parachute.

Motors

The robotic arm on Phoenix uses four electric motors from the same lot
of 211 motors originally purchased for NASA's Mars Exploration Rover
project. Fifty of the motors were sent to Mars on rovers Spirit and
Opportunity. Of the remaining motors, later testing identified two whose
brushes were broken. Motor brushes provide electrical contact between
moving and stationary parts of the motor. The brushes in these motors
are solid pieces of a special mixture of copper, graphite and molybdenum
made for Martian conditions.

The motors installed on the Phoenix spacecraft had been tested and
showed no trouble. In addition, their counterparts on Spirit and
Opportunity have far outperformed their design life under stressful
real-Mars conditions. For the Phoenix team, the issue was how to assess
whether the two broken brushes were enough reason not to rely on the
motors in the robotic arm. Goldstein, the Phoenix project manager, said,
"We did not rest on these motors' excellent track record with Spirit and
Opportunity. We did our own testing."

The Phoenix project put the arm motors through additional testing and
also turned to the NASA Engineering and Safety Center, a resource
created for providing just such assistance with independent analysis of
engineering issues related to risk for NASA projects. The Phoenix team
followed recommendations from a review team formed by the center. These
recommendations included using sensors to monitor any jarring of the
motors during transportation of Phoenix from Denver, where it was built
by Lockheed Martin Space Systems, to Florida for launch.

Scoop

Central to the design of the Phoenix mission is the intent to dig to an
icy layer under the surface and deliver some of the ice-rich soil to a
small laboratory on the deck of the lander. That icy soil will probably
be as hard as concrete.

The original design for the scoop at the end of the arm had three sets
of metal blades for cutting and scraping to loosen enough icy soil to
sample. The Phoenix team ran tests using sample materials as tough as
those expected on Mars.

JPL engineer Lori Shiraishi said, "We found it took four to six hours to
get enough material, but you are also fighting sublimation of the ice.
The ice would be disappearing by the time you are trying to pick it up."

In 2005, the team began working on an alternative design to loosen and
collect an icy sample more quickly. JPL's Gregory Peters came up with
the idea of a motorized rasp to replace one of the sets of blades.
Honeybee Robotics Spacecraft Mechanisms Corp., New York, built and
tested the redesigned scoop. The rasp uses a tile-cutting bit lowered at
an angle through a slot in the bottom of the scoop. Tests indicate the
system can loosen and lift and deliver an icy sample in about half an
hour, which is believed to be quick enough to outrun sublimation of the
exposed ice under Martian atmospheric conditions.

Stowaway carbon

The Phoenix team has tested all of the lander's science instruments
extensively. One that sniffs vapors generated from heating samples of
soil and ice will be checking for organic molecules. Most
carbon-containing chemicals are called organics. Organic chemicals can
be present without life, but they are an essential ingredient for life
as we know it. Testing made clear that this instrument -- the Thermal
and Evolved-Gas Analyzer -- is sensitive enough to detect the trace
amounts of organics that are likely to come from Earth aboard the lander.

"We want to be able to determine whether we're just seeing organics we
brought along with us," said William Boynton of the University of
Arizona, Tucson, lead scientist for this instrument.

The university assembled a meeting of organic chemists from around the
country in 2005 for a discussion of how to prepare for analyzing the
data from Phoenix. From that workshop came a recommendation for Phoenix
to carry "blank" material specially made to be as free of carbon as
possible, for use as an experimental control for comparison with samples
of Martian soil and ice.

The Phoenix team assessed various possibilities for the blank material.
The lander is carrying a block of a custom-made, very-low-carbon ceramic
product from Corning Inc. During operations at the landing site, the
powered rasp will be able to produce shavings from the blank for
analysis. The results will help scientists interpret whether any
organics found during analysis of Martian samples actually came from
those samples.

There are many other examples of how the Phoenix mission has identified
concerns through testing and analysis, and then resolved them.

Goldstein said, "I can't guarantee success. We are in the business of
taking risks, doing things that are very difficult. However, I am
confident that we have a world-class team that has dug as deep as it
could to find any problems."



From wahlperry at aol.com  Fri May  9 22:27:45 2008
From: wahlperry at aol.com (wahlperry at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 22:27:45 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Added another story to my homepage.
In-Reply-To: <468bf6050805091642x71f3e942h72dd718e3b3e89ae@mail.gmail.com>
References: <468bf6050805091642x71f3e942h72dd718e3b3e89ae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CA805C905B4E92-14C-11C8@webmail-ne20.sysops.aol.com>

Hi Mike,
What a story! When do we get to see the pictures of the 500 pounder?

Sonny







-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Miller <meteoritefinder at gmail.com>
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Fri, 9 May 2008 4:42 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] Added another story to my homepage.



Hello everyone I have finally learned to work with my website and it
really is kinda fun. So for my latest update I have added the story
about the main mass of Glorieta. You can find it here
www.meteoritefinder.com I have added new links and items for sale
almost daily. So it is growing quickly right now.

--
Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401
www.meteoritefinder.com
928-753-6825
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From bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com  Fri May  9 22:27:52 2008
From: bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com (mckinney trammell)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 19:27:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] ebay sellercometshopnew
Message-ID: <411276.62239.qm@web53207.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

i have purchased rocks from his former site before
many times with no problemsand have been always
ultra-satisfied. but recently, i bought one on ebay.
he claims the piece is in the USA but it takes 3 weeks
to get. when i do get it , it is the wrong rock- a
more expensive one. i offer to send it back, i get no
email response, for an address, etc. + just plain
sloppy service (unlike cottingh. , farmer, twelker,
etc., etc. who usually get skyrox to me while i am
still typing out the order). is serg having personal/
family, etc., problems that i need to be aware of? perplexed.


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From meteoritemall at yahoo.com  Fri May  9 22:37:34 2008
From: meteoritemall at yahoo.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 19:37:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Added another story to my homepage.
In-Reply-To: <8CA805C905B4E92-14C-11C8@webmail-ne20.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <108556.46158.qm@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hey Mike,
that was a great story!!

 Sonny, I'll post the pictures of the 500 pound
Glorieta main, main, main, main mass as soon as I
untie it from the burro I bought in Santa Fe.

 Hey, I didn't have a winch!

Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
http://www.mr-meteorite.com


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From bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com  Fri May  9 23:08:56 2008
From: bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com (mckinney trammell)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 20:08:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] SMOKIN' new 57g  GA tektite found
Message-ID: <319348.91342.qm@web53207.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

if you guys wanna pix of a smoker 57 g ga tektite
recently found, follow instructions: goto:
www.artifactsguide.com     >    forum   > topics    > 
 news and legal happenings concerning artifacts    >  
  withlacoochee river show    > scroll  down thru pix
'til you see it.  it's i a little over 2" across. i
owned the world's largest ga tektite (splashform @ 86
g) and it was KILLER and now resides at fernbank in
atlanta, ga. but lemmie tellu- THERE AIN'T NO FLIES ON
THIS ONE!


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From SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com  Sat May 10 00:08:30 2008
From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com (SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 00:08:30 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 10, 2008
Message-ID: <c4a.284e0029.355679be@aol.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/May_10_2008.html

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From lgarvie at cox.net  Sat May 10 02:15:11 2008
From: lgarvie at cox.net (Laurence Garvie)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 23:15:11 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fountain Hills meteorite
Message-ID: <E39A61FB-2E91-40CB-84C9-A14911952198@cox.net>

Does anyone know exactly where the Fountain Hills bencubbin-like  
meteorite was found? I know its from Fountain Hills in Arizona, but  
where exactly. The coordinated in the Meteoritical Bulletin Database  
give the center of the town of Fountain Hills, but the text says it  
was found by a hiker.

Thanks,

Laurence
meteorites.asu.edu



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Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 10, 2008
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From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Sat May 10 07:34:51 2008
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 04:34:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] (AD) 2 holed mundrabilla
Message-ID: <773686.29152.qm@web57811.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Good morning list.Just a quick note.I have a 22 gram mundrabilla with 2 HOLES,not 1 forsale.$200 and I pay shipping.I will also throw in 3 small unclassified fragments as a thanks.A picture is on my homepage of my website.Please offlist if interested.Thanks and have a great day.

Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!!  ???? The Asteroid Belt!  ??? http://chicagometeorites.net/  ??? Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999  ??? Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites


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From meteoritemall at yahoo.com  Sat May 10 11:15:06 2008
From: meteoritemall at yahoo.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 08:15:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] More great meteorite videos that you probably
	missed!!
Message-ID: <644066.92188.qm@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi all,
While searching Youtube I found a lot more meteorite
videos than ever before! Some that I had never seen so
I'm sure most of you missed them too!

So I decided to plug these guys on my website..

Great stuff from Steve Arnold - Meteorite Collecting
parts 1 and 2. Jason Snyder, Paul Desilets and Mike
Morgan, Bob Haag, And Rob Matson.

Check them out here!!
http://www.mr-meteorite.com/moregreatvideos.htm

Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
http://www.mr-meteorite.com


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From 3l at comhem.se  Sat May 10 11:35:26 2008
From: 3l at comhem.se (Lasse Lindh)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 17:35:26 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] (AD) 2 holed mundrabilla
In-Reply-To: <773686.29152.qm@web57811.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <773686.29152.qm@web57811.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4825C0BE.2070903@comhem.se>

Very expensive holes, Steve..... That's 10 times more than I paid for 
one similar size Mundra without holes.

regards

Lasse



steve arnold skrev:
> Good morning list.Just a quick note.I have a 22 gram mundrabilla with 2 HOLES,not 1 forsale.$200 and I pay shipping.I will also throw in 3 small unclassified fragments as a thanks.A picture is on my homepage of my website.Please offlist if interested.Thanks and have a great day.
>
> Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!!       The Asteroid Belt!      http://chicagometeorites.net/      Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999      Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites
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From marcin at polandmet.com  Sat May 10 14:09:41 2008
From: marcin at polandmet.com (PolandMET)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 20:09:41 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] eBay auctions ending soon
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lasse Lindh" <3l at comhem.se>
To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) 2 holed mundrabilla


> Very expensive holes, Steve..... That's 10 times more than I paid for one 
> similar size Mundra without holes.
>
> regards
>
> Lasse
>
>
>
> steve arnold skrev:
>> Good morning list.Just a quick note.I have a 22 gram mundrabilla with 2 
>> HOLES,not 1 forsale.$200 and I pay shipping.I will also throw in 3 small 
>> unclassified fragments as a thanks.A picture is on my homepage of my 
>> website.Please offlist if interested.Thanks and have a great day.
>>
>> Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!!       The Asteroid Belt! 
>> http://chicagometeorites.net/      Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999 
>> Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites
>>
>>
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From marcin at polandmet.com  Sat May 10 14:10:31 2008
From: marcin at polandmet.com (PolandMET)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 20:10:31 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] eBay auctions ending soon
Message-ID: <001601c8b2c9$22c9a4b0$0d00000a@polandmezrd5i9>

Sorry I pressed enter too fast :)

Take a look at my auctions
http://stores.ebay.com/PolandMET-Store

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From wahlperry at aol.com  Sat May 10 15:36:18 2008
From: wahlperry at aol.com (wahlperry at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 15:36:18 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] 2 new Nevada meteorites / Cold finds/ Statistics
Message-ID: <8CA80EC40276869-6B8-A91@webmail-nd04.sysops.aol.com>

Hi,

I recently found two more new Nevada meteorites! Have you ever wondered 
how many hours and field work it takes to find a new meteorite? On the 
2 new finds I have recorded the time spent in field, driving time and 
research time. My own thoughts, buy them on ebay or from a dealer! Just 
teasing! There is nothing better than walking up on a new cold find, 
versus a find in a known area that may be paired to other finds. The 
first new meteorite only took seven days to find, 8 hour days on the 
average not counting drive time or over night camping in the area. 
Something to mention also, 10 - 12 trips to different areas or old 
strewn fields to break up the monotony. Ok , 56 hours not bad for a new 
find! Not counting driving time and research time ! One more thing to 
mention...(The Bush factor ,fuel prices!). Total time for the first 
find around 100 hours . Where there is one meteorite there should be 
more. It also depends on how much time you wish to spend in an area 
before you move on. I will try to spend a few hours looking for more 
pieces with a detector but the true amount of time it takes could be 
several days to weeks . My second new find only took 35 minutes to find 
once I started walking . Drive time was a killer on this one, many 
hours driving to find this one. While driving to another hunting area I 
noticed this area from a distance that looked good . You have to 
understand all areas look good until you get out there. There are a few 
problems including fences, basalt's, closed areas, private land and 
roads that look hard packed until you drive on them and your vehicle 
sinks to the frame! Talking about barbed wire fences, a friend and I 
were hunting out of state when we noticed a dry lake bed that looked 
good. We had to climb over a barbed wire fence next to a train track. 
After hunting the lake with no luck we decided to head back to the 
rental car. We looked for a gate but could not find one,and decided to 
climb over the fence. My hunting partner said this was not a good idea 
but decided to climb over the fence with a little coaxing. At that 
moment a train turned the corner and started blowing it's whistle when 
it saw us. I asked my hunting partner if he needed help to get over the 
fence and he said no. By this time the train was getting louder and 
closer. I decided to get off the tracks. I don't know what was louder 
the train whistle or my friends pants tearing on the fence! You had to 
be there!

On my second new find, actual hunting time was 35 minutes before 
locating the meteorite. I spent 7 additional hours looking for more in 
the area plus my driving time. You have to wonder why we do this hobby? 
I enjoy the adventure and you never know what the next meteorite might 
be! I have posted a few pictures on my web page on the new Nevada 
meteorites.

Sonny

http://www.nevadameteorites.com/page_4_2008_finds.htm

From eric at meteoritewatch.com  Sat May 10 17:02:14 2008
From: eric at meteoritewatch.com (Eric Wichman)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 14:02:14 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Special CHERRY STONES: 254.7g LOT Ending
	Tonight! 13 Bids
In-Reply-To: <mailman.40.1210435242.98231.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
References: <mailman.40.1210435242.98231.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <48260D56.4030806@meteoritewatch.com>

Hi All,

The "CHERRY STONES" auction is ending tonight at 9:45pm PST

There's "37" stones total, some with beautiful 100% fusion crust, big 
chondrules, small chodrules and everything in between. It's a nice big 
mix of all kinds of chondrite meteorites.

CHERRY STONES: 254.7g LOT OF NWA XXX METEORITES ~SUPER DEAL~
http://cgi.ebay.com/CHERRY-STONES-254-7g-LOT-OF-NWA-XXX-METEORITES-SUPER_W0QQitemZ250244430763

I want to thank everyone who's bid on and viewed the CHERRY STONE 
auction. The response has been great! Many people have asked me for more 
of this material, but I have a limited supply. There's 13 bids right now 
and it ends in about 8 hours. If you're looking for some nice pieces to 
resell, or just looking to add to your collection these are great 
pieces. They're great for jewelry too.

I will be having more of these sales in the future. It's a nice 254.7g 
bunch of hand picked chondrites with nice fusion crust, great shapes, 
and all at a great value. Contact me off list if you would like to know 
when my next CHERRY STONE auction will be.

Also listing lots more this weekend and this upcoming week:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZfreel3orn

Good Luck & Happy Bidding!

Regards,
Eric Wichman
www.MeteoritesUSA.com
www.MeteoriteWatch.com

Anyone wishing to buy in bulk at BIG discounts contact me OFF-LIST. Many 
Kilos available. Lots of Irons & Chondrites!

From moni2555 at hotmail.com  Sat May 10 17:13:34 2008
From: moni2555 at hotmail.com (Moni Waiblinger)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 14:13:34 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] 2 new Nevada meteorites / Cold finds/
 Statistics
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Message-ID: <BAY104-W46A9450261C9803A3C1C6DCDD20@phx.gbl>


Good afternoon all!

Nice finds Sonny!
What a beautiful 'space rock' the 172grams one is!
Gorgeous!

I admit, is is a long haul to find meteorites.
And like you mentioned all the problems one can run into.
The time before last I ripped the inside wall of my tire and had to replace a tire.
So besides all the costs of gasoline, driving time and sunburn, I had to buy a new tire.
Luckily I did find a 22gram meteorite and so it was worth all the costs, but...one to get of ebay would have been cheaper.

The image of the badger is great!
Nevada has quite of few of them.
I remember when I went with Bob V. we encountered several running across the dirt roads.
Never saw on in California.
And never saw one coming up the ground!
Pretty neat.
That is another plus isn't it, the wild life!

Really exciting times!
Thanks for sharing and good hunting!

With best regards,
Moni


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From qwalkra2 at optusnet.com.au  Sat May 10 22:33:56 2008
From: qwalkra2 at optusnet.com.au (qwalkra2 at optusnet.com.au)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 12:33:56 +1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] QMIG update
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From jbrady1 at orange.net  Sun May 11 09:25:49 2008
From: jbrady1 at orange.net (jim brady)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 13:25:49 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD~Ebay items ending today.The Tomahawk
Message-ID: <1890577360.1210512349121.JavaMail.wbs51@mspvp520>

Greetings listoids
          I have a few auctions ending today ,mostly unclassified specimens but a couple of nice ones including one that looks like a tomahawk head.Currently at about 50 cents a gram.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=320246947865

also hoping for an offer on this beautiful rumurutiite endcut.Starting at $20 a gram ,go ahead and try me with an offer,I may not be able to resist.Need funds at the minute.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=320233249438

3 Vaca Muerta partslices are also up for grabs.No bids yet,99p.Impeccable provenance

see them all here:Thanks for looking

http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Emerald-Isle-Minerals

Jim Brady


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From SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com  Sun May 11 15:29:42 2008
From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com (SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 15:29:42 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 11, 2008
Message-ID: <ca1.2ff8dfea.3558a326@aol.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/May_11_2008.html  




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From fuzzfoot at comcast.net  Sun May 11 17:33:59 2008
From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 14:33:59 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - New Rare Specimens: Kuttippuram, Ybbsitz,
	Waltman, and more
Message-ID: <20080511213409.A19C2105BE@mailwash5.pair.com>

Hello List,

I have updated my sales page with new specimens:

http://astro-artifacts.com/Astroartifacts/Meteorite_Sale.html

Of special note are Kuttippuram (India), Ybbsitz (Austria), Waltman
(Wyoming), Indian Valley (Virginia), many others, and some Apollo Hardware
to boot. Please be sure to hit the 'reload' button to make sure you are
viewing the most recent page!

Thanks for looking and Happy Mother's Day to all the moms on the list!

Cheers,

Mike Bandli
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From mlblood at cox.net  Sun May 11 16:17:45 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 13:17:45 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Re Meteorite Friends Pages
Message-ID: <C44CA279.1694A%mlblood@cox.net>

Hi All,
        When reading a post or thinking of someone, you can go to:

http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/MeteoriteFriends.html

To see their photo (listed in alphabetical order by first name). If you want
MORE info about them, there is a "click to" link to take you to the
In depth site from there. If you want in depth info to begin with, just
Go directly to:

http://www.meteorite.com/friends/

On the in-depth site you can search by first name OR last name. (you
Can also do random searches for people who like to hunt with others,
Etc.)
        The new "Meteorite Friends Directory" - which allows multiple
Photos, your own web site links and a meteoritic Bio in as much depth
as participants want to share - is now gaining momentum and 28
Meteorite Friends have filled in info for easy access to find out
more about how they got into meteorites, what focus their collecting is
currently in (ie, lunar specimens, specimens found themselves,
pallasites, whatever). Find the URL to eb pages many of them have,
See additional photos of them, etc, etc.
        The members of the Meteorite Friends Page (now about 200?)
Who have  not yet filled in at least SOME info on the more in-depth site
Are heartily encouraged to do so. Please at least let us know in what
State or country you live and what your collecting focus is. Check out
Some of the things your fellow community members have included (both
To find out more about them - and to be inspired as to what you may want
To include in your comments).
        It is a very easy self serve process and if you are already on the
Metoeirte Friends Page (photo & name that has been up about a year
Or two now) you will immediately be able to post to the new site. If you
Are new to both - please email me and include a portrait jpg attached
And your first and last name and I will put you on the photo/name page
And you will be cleared to post yourself on the new page.
        To post to the new page, go to:

http://www.meteorite.com/friends/

        It's quick, easy and gives the community a better understanding of
The make up of its members and a wealth of other information. You'll
like it - hesitate no longer!
        Best wishes, Michael



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From mexicodoug at aim.com  Mon May 12 03:27:14 2008
From: mexicodoug at aim.com (mexicodoug at aim.com)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 03:27:14 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Noventa Vicentina (Italy, 1971)
Message-ID: <8CA8218BBFD9017-FBC-756@webmail-db09.sysops.aol.com>

Hello listees and happy birthday kind Freunde,
and especially hello Matteo who uniquely
can help to cure this awful absence,

Noventa Vicentina
Insolita e discretina
Quando ella torna a casa
di essere con la sua famiglia
Vi accolgo con cuore aperto e
I lavare lei con tutte
le marinara di Venezia.

Not responsible for errors in translation, simply gone mad and willing 
to try anything :(

Best wishes,
Doug

From star-bits at tx.rr.com  Mon May 12 12:32:03 2008
From: star-bits at tx.rr.com (star-bits at tx.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 12:32:03 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad - eBay auctions closing shortly
Message-ID: <33430149.233961210609923518.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web13-z02>

Greetings all

     I have a few auctions closing shortly including very fresh individuals of bassikounou, erg chech/chergash, juancheng, and oum dreyga as well as dimmitt, mundrabilla, allende, tatahouine, a crusted martian individual still at $120/gm and others.   See them all at

<http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=katy2kary>

--
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7682 Firethorn Dr
Fayetteville, NC 28311

http://www.star-bits.com

From jan at meteorieten.com  Mon May 12 16:51:32 2008
From: jan at meteorieten.com (Jan Bartels)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 22:51:32 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] [AD] Cali 1,23 grams, rooftile, newspapers....
Message-ID: <2787.85.145.5.229.1210625492.squirrel@webmail.uniserver.nl>

Listoids,

Need to raise some funds so make me an offer off list on this "large"
piece of  (crusted) Cali. This fragment comes from the Cali 001.
Includes a large piece (about 45mm by 50 mm)rooftile and two original
newspapers from Cali.

Plenty pictures or more info on request...

Best,
Jan Bartels
Holland
www.heavenlybodies.nl




From bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com  Mon May 12 16:53:12 2008
From: bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com (mckinney trammell)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 13:53:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] cabbing pallasite
Message-ID: <501111.60791.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

looking for some seymchan for CABBING. there will be
lots of cutting and loss, so i am not looking for a
hi$ display piece. an ugly block will work.


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From bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com  Mon May 12 18:44:30 2008
From: bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com (mckinney trammell)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 15:44:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] my 2 g claxton- $1 no reserve
Message-ID: <222115.65142.qm@web53205.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

here is a VERY nice piece of claxton:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290230195935 


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From raremeteorites at yahoo.com  Mon May 12 19:42:38 2008
From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 16:42:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - BRAND NEW Shocked Achondrite!
Message-ID: <504836.70603.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dear List Members,

I would like to bring to your attention a fantastic new achondrite named NWA 5234.  This newly discovered meteorite is the most shocked Eucrite I have ever seen.  It is the equivalent of Cat Mountain in an Achondrite. NWA 5234 is a gorgeous and very fresh breccia with melt pockets, heavy shock veins and vesicles. Yes, Vesicles! Something so rare in Eucrites that only a few examples exists.  My buy-it-now price is a third of what something like this should be selling for.  You will find the price very reasonable considering what over-hyped and recent ordinary chondrite falls are selling for.  I have a very limited supply with only nine large pieces so if you are into unusual meteorites, this may be for your collection.

On top of that I am running a few part slices of the World's Nicest Lunaite, Northwest Africa 5000 far below appraised value.

To see these and nearly 100 other auctions due to end shortly, click on this link:  
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZraremeteorites

A Few Highlights:

INTRODUCING Northwest Africa 5235:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130222145144
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130222145611
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130222145889
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130222146448
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140232577057
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130222148012
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140232578547
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130222148942


NORTHWEST AFRICA 5000, "THE ROCK" can be found here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140232571793
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140232572302
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140232573219


And way too many other great items to list can be found at this link:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZraremeteorites

Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck.


Best Regards,

------------------------------------
Adam Hupe
The Hupe Collection
Team LunarRock
IMCA 2185
raremeteorites at comcast.net 

From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Mon May 12 20:12:28 2008
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 01:12:28 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Morocco advice
Message-ID: <4828DCEC.5010501@ntlworld.com>

Hi All,

I'm thinking about planning a holiday around Morocco this summer and was 
looking for tips about travelling around and places to visit. Any 
suggestions from the seasoned travellers out there on the list would be 
most welcome.

Graham Ensor, Nr Barwell. UK

From pshugar at clearwire.net  Mon May 12 22:52:15 2008
From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:52:15 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] A New Question
Message-ID: <000701c8b4a4$5b676c80$0201a8c0@laptop>

When was the treaty banning the release of meteorites from Antarctica to 
collectors placed into effect?
How many meteorites excaped before the ban?
What are their names?
Thanks in advance,
Pete


From pshugar at clearwire.net  Mon May 12 23:16:06 2008
From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 22:16:06 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] News Flash
Message-ID: <000501c8b4a7$b068b790$0201a8c0@laptop>

Possible a meteorite over Canadian,Texas.
This is on the Eastern side of the Texas panhandle.
Story was just aired on Chan 10 in Amarillo
Pete


From fuzzfoot at comcast.net  Mon May 12 23:38:09 2008
From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 20:38:09 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] A New Question
In-Reply-To: <000701c8b4a4$5b676c80$0201a8c0@laptop>
Message-ID: <20080513033846.7643D105AC@mailwash5.pair.com>

A specific pre-treaty date is unclear. Some of the material that was
released into the market and that are considered 'pre-treaty':

Adelie Land
ALHA 76001
ALHA 76003
ALHA 76005
ALHA 76006
ALHA 76008
ALHA 76009
Mount Baldr
Thiel Mtns
Lazarev
Derrick Peak 78008
Neptune Mountains

Most are next to impossible to get with the exception of ALHA 76009, which
is readily available. Thiel Mountains is out there, but expect to pay
$300-400/g for it. Lazarev was a Rob Elliot exclusive and will probably
never be available again unless a collector sells their own.

A tidbit of info is here:

http://astro-artifacts.com/Astroartifacts/AA_Antarctic_Meteorites.html

Kind regards,
?
Mike Bandli
www.Astro-Artifacts.com
?

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Pete
Shugar
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 7:52 PM
To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] A New Question

When was the treaty banning the release of meteorites from Antarctica to 
collectors placed into effect?
How many meteorites excaped before the ban?
What are their names?
Thanks in advance,
Pete

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From mpg444 at yahoo.com  Tue May 13 07:26:40 2008
From: mpg444 at yahoo.com (Mike Groetz)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 04:26:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Scientist: Bright light over N.M. was a meteor
Message-ID: <886381.43685.qm@web33003.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Pretty decent video included with this article.
Mike

http://kob.com/article/stories/S442240.shtml?cat=520

KOB.com 
Posted at: 05/12/2008 06:39:23 PM
 
Updated at: 05/12/2008 09:24:03 PM
 
By: Valerie Castro KOB-TV, and Joshua Panas KOB-TV
 
Scientist: Bright light over N.M. was a meteor  
  
It turns out a mysterious flash of lights over the
Sandia Crest was most likely a meteor. 

The bright streak was spotted just after 2:00 Monday
morning. 

Video of the flashing light was captured by an
observatory near Santa Fe. 

According to a UNM scientist, it was most likely a
meteor passing through the earth's atmosphere. 

It's a rare sight for anyone to witness, but the real
treasure is finding the meteorite once it lands. 

"It would be worth something scientifically for sure,
and you know everybody is interested in finding
meteorites that come from this fireball event," said
UNM research scientist Dr. James Karner. 

Dr. Karner says the dry deserts of New Mexico make it
easier to spot meteorites on the ground. 

Thomas Ashcraft, the man who captured the video from
his observatory, says the space rock probably landed
in eastern New Mexico or the Texas panhandle.
 
 



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From romanj at sympatico.ca  Tue May 13 07:44:05 2008
From: romanj at sympatico.ca (Roman)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 07:44:05 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad  Abee  Bassikounou  Estherville  LA001
Message-ID: <047001c8b4ee$a6028be0$6700a8c0@compaqsdg7ojf0>

It's been a while since I posted to the list, but I'm still here in Canada.
Here are a few meteorites I would like to sell. Let's make a deal.

Abee (EH4) 36.9g (NEMS)
Bassikounou (H5) 297.3g (D.Bessey)
Estherville (MES) 1288g with lots of crust (F.Puskas)
LA 001 (SNC) 0.972g (M.Blood)

http://www.meteoritelabels.com/Sale.html

Please take a look and email me off list if interested.
Best regards,

Roman Jirasek
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From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Tue May 13 08:33:30 2008
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 05:33:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 13, 2008
Message-ID: <27518625.1873491210682010676.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/May_13_2008.html



From mexicodoug at aim.com  Tue May 13 09:14:01 2008
From: mexicodoug at aim.com (mexicodoug at aim.com)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 09:14:01 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 13,
	2008
In-Reply-To: <27518625.1873491210682010676.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>
References: <27518625.1873491210682010676.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CA8312581F1851-E58-A31@FWM-D17.sysops.aol.com>

Thanks Mike & Michael,

Good job on the picture of the matrix of the new fall near Zunhua City! 
  Until trying to photograph a mostly gray matrix recently, I never 
realized how difficult it was.  This image really give an appreciation 
for the texture, composition as well as an appreciation for the friable 
matrix concretion of this fall.  Nice specimen,

Best wishes,
Doug

> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/May_13_2008.html

Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 13, 
2008

http://www.rocksfromspace.org
http://www.astro-artifacts.com

From moni2555 at hotmail.com  Tue May 13 09:57:11 2008
From: moni2555 at hotmail.com (Moni Waiblinger)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 06:57:11 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 13,
	2008
In-Reply-To: <8CA8312581F1851-E58-A31@FWM-D17.sysops.aol.com>
References: <27518625.1873491210682010676.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>
	<8CA8312581F1851-E58-A31@FWM-D17.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY104-W34AE595311A9C8A0D3A64ECDCF0@phx.gbl>


Good Morning All,

thanks for the image first of all!
Mike, I thought it was a large piece of a  meteorite until I read the 8.9gram fragment.
Always good to have a cm cube along with it.
Of course you know that, being quite a collector!
Did you go to China yourself?

It is a pretty interesting specimen.
The void in the second image is really something!

Is the meteorite called Zunhua meteorite?

With best regards,
Moni




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From eric at meteoritewatch.com  Tue May 13 10:35:03 2008
From: eric at meteoritewatch.com (Eric Wichman)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 07:35:03 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Irons and Chondrites Plus Auction Deals
In-Reply-To: <mailman.48.1210608067.48637.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
References: <mailman.48.1210608067.48637.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <4829A717.8090708@meteoritewatch.com>

Hi All,

I've listed some nice meteorites, irons and chondrites and will be 
adding more this week.
http://www.meteoritesusa.com/meteorites-for-sale/

$5 Flat Rate Shipping to anywhere in the USA. As an added incentive, 
I'll be giving everyone who places an order above $100 USD Free USPS 
Priority Mail Shipping (US Only up to 1 Kilo). For international orders 
shipping will be at my cost.

Also listing lots more auctions this weekend and this upcoming week:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZfreel3orn

Regards,
Eric Wichman
www.MeteoritesUSA.com - My Meteorites For Sale
www.MeteoriteWatch.com - Meteorite Community Site
www.BitsOfEarth.com - Minerals and Meteorites

Anyone wishing to buy in bulk at BIG discounts contact me OFF-LIST. Many
Kilos available. Lots of Irons & Chondrites!

I buy meteorites... CONSIGNMENT? YES! I get requests all the time about 
buying and selling meteorites on my sites. Those of you who have 
material you want to sell contact me. MeteoritesUSA.com is in every 
major search engine on the web and enjoys very good traffic on a daily 
basis. This provides great exposure for anyone wishing to sell 
meteorites who doesn't have a website of their own. I'll photograph, 
list, sell and send you the cash for any meteorites, or collections. 
Simple as that. Contact me OFF-LIST if you have any meteorites you'd 
like to sell.


From fuzzfoot at comcast.net  Tue May 13 11:49:52 2008
From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 15:49:52 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 13,
	2008
Message-ID: <051320081549.14550.4829B8A0000CB945000038D622007348409B01010096969A00@comcast.net>

As far as I know, samples are already under classification in China. Only about ~60 some grams was available via Farmer. He may have more info.

Mike B.

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Moni Waiblinger <moni2555 at hotmail.com>
> 
> Good Morning All,
> 
> thanks for the image first of all!
> Mike, I thought it was a large piece of a  meteorite until I read the 8.9gram 
> fragment.
> Always good to have a cm cube along with it.
> Of course you know that, being quite a collector!
> Did you go to China yourself?
> 
> It is a pretty interesting specimen.
> The void in the second image is really something!
> 
> Is the meteorite called Zunhua meteorite?
> 
> With best regards,
> Moni
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Tue May 13 12:01:21 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 09:01:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - BRAND NEW Shocked Achondrite!
In-Reply-To: <504836.70603.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <705705.75377.qm@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Adam, if every piece of your NWA 5000 is selling for
much less than it's appraised value, then perhaps the
appraiser needs to be educated in real value.
Meteorite falls are skyrocketing in value as they
should, regaining their superior value over hot desert
finds (which anyone with any sense would know makes
them much more interesting).  The market always finds
true value and price. Some other people use gimmicks
to try and pawn off their material in a county fair
type atmosphere.
Michael Farmer
--- Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Dear List Members,
> 
> I would like to bring to your attention a fantastic
> new achondrite named NWA 5234.  This newly
> discovered meteorite is the most shocked Eucrite I
> have ever seen.  It is the equivalent of Cat
> Mountain in an Achondrite. NWA 5234 is a gorgeous
> and very fresh breccia with melt pockets, heavy
> shock veins and vesicles. Yes, Vesicles! Something
> so rare in Eucrites that only a few examples exists.
>  My buy-it-now price is a third of what something
> like this should be selling for.  You will find the
> price very reasonable considering what over-hyped
> and recent ordinary chondrite falls are selling for.
>  I have a very limited supply with only nine large
> pieces so if you are into unusual meteorites, this
> may be for your collection.
> 
> On top of that I am running a few part slices of the
> World's Nicest Lunaite, Northwest Africa 5000 far
> below appraised value.
> 
> To see these and nearly 100 other auctions due to
> end shortly, click on this link:  
> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZraremeteorites
> 
> A Few Highlights:
> 
> INTRODUCING Northwest Africa 5235:
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130222145144
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130222145611
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130222145889
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130222146448
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140232577057
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130222148012
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140232578547
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130222148942
> 
> 
> NORTHWEST AFRICA 5000, "THE ROCK" can be found here:
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140232571793
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140232572302
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140232573219
> 
> 
> And way too many other great items to list can be
> found at this link:
> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZraremeteorites
> 
> Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good
> luck.
> 
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> ------------------------------------
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> The Hupe Collection
> Team LunarRock
> IMCA 2185
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From raremeteorites at yahoo.com  Tue May 13 13:24:47 2008
From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 10:24:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - BRAND NEW Shocked Achondrite!
In-Reply-To: <705705.75377.qm@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <286823.69018.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Mr Farmer,

I thought we had an agreement not to comment on each others advertisements.  You have broken this promise after a few years releasing me from my promise to keep my mouth shut about past indiscretions on your part.

It is no secret that I am not a big fan of recent falls of questionable status selling for several hundred dollars a gram due to hype.  Come on, $1,000.00 a gram for an ordinary H5?  These same falls barely maintain $25.00 a gram a few months later.  We are not talking about classics here which have run the price gauntlet.  I would rather purchase Cumberland Falls for much less and have a gorgeous piece on display rather than some friable H chondrite of questionable legal status.  Please do not start up with me again as I do not have the same tolerance I once held and want to help keep the List a friendlier place. 


Best Regards,

Adam


From bobadebt at ec.rr.com  Tue May 13 17:04:02 2008
From: bobadebt at ec.rr.com (David & Kitt Deyarmin)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 17:04:02 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list]  A New Question
Message-ID: <009b01c8b53c$df79dd30$832ab841@David>

Does anyone know What is the reasoning behind the ban?


-------------------------------------------------------------------

 A specific pre-treaty date is unclear. Some of the material that was 
released into the market and that are considered 'pre-treaty': 

Adelie Land 
ALHA 76001 
ALHA 76003 
ALHA 76005 
ALHA 76006 
ALHA 76008 
ALHA 76009 
Mount Baldr 
Thiel Mtns 
Lazarev 
Derrick Peak 78008 
Neptune Mountains 

Most are next to impossible to get with the exception of ALHA 76009, which 
is readily available. Thiel Mountains is out there, but expect to pay 
$300-400/g for it. Lazarev was a Rob Elliot exclusive and will probably 
never be available again unless a collector sells their own. 

A tidbit of info is here: 

http://astro-artifacts.com/Astroartifacts/AA_Antarctic_Meteorites.html 

Kind regards, 
  
Mike Bandli 
www.Astro-Artifacts.com 
  
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----Original Message----- 
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com 
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Pete 
Shugar 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 7:52 PM 
To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com 
Subject: [meteorite-list] A New Question 

When was the treaty banning the release of meteorites from Antarctica to 
collectors placed into effect? 
How many meteorites excaped before the ban? 
What are their names? 
Thanks in advance, 
Pete 

From mexicodoug at aim.com  Tue May 13 18:53:37 2008
From: mexicodoug at aim.com (mexicodoug at aim.com)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 18:53:37 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] A New Question
In-Reply-To: <009b01c8b53c$df79dd30$832ab841@David>
References: <009b01c8b53c$df79dd30$832ab841@David>
Message-ID: <8CA83634F01E956-BC0-1050@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com>

"Does anyone know What is the reasoning behind the ban?"

Hi David,

There is no "ban".  Interested collectors from many nations have been 
obviously stocking up collections for years with Antarctic meteorites.

Anyone (including commercial tour operators) can put together a 
scientific plan for collecting Antarctic meteorites - at your co$$$t- 
and apply for a permit.  You cannot b denied the permit in your 
jurisdiction as long as you can make convincing guarantees as judged by 
administrators that you can provide at your cost, the required 
scientific care in collecting, curating and furnishing the meteorites 
basically free, to bonafide researchers for scientific studies, with 
the caveat that if any time during the perpetuity that follows you can 
no longer do this, you must transfer everything to an entity that 
properly can.

The reason is simple, the Antarctic is a scientific preserve where the 
natural resources are protected, like, say, the Old Faithful Geyser in 
Yellowstone Park.  If someone decided to drill out and cap the geyser 
and pipe out the hot water for commercial use, how would that play on 
your sense of morality?  I think it would bother me...  The scientific 
preserve creation is a lucky windfall for environmentalists.  The real 
motivation behind this government collaboration is the worry that 
brazen nations (and there is never a shortage of these) might abuse 
this "no-man's land" while other "well behaved nations" stood by and 
got jealous, disadvantaged, or had their security threatened.  So the 
countries agreed that military, disposal or commercial (i.e., mining, 
harvesting flora or fauna) acivities by any treaty signatories was 
mutually prohibited.

This is the "ban" you mention, no commercial meteorite hunters may 
apply unless they plan on shouldering all the trip and collection 
expenses by themselves and then giving away the meteorites to qualified 
scientific interests only under the perpetually self-financed curating 
scheme already mentioned.  If this non-commercial ban were not in 
effect, anyone could go to this frozen paradise and dump toxic wastes, 
drill for oil and leave their holes uncovered, tear down the mountains 
to make cement, colonize the place ignoring the unclear set of prior 
claims of souvreinty (which others put on hold with promises that no 
one else could ever jump their claim) and put explosive mines and guns 
pointed everywhere (like big boy nations do anyway with their floating 
and flying fleets on our polluted deep oceans).  So politicians sided 
with Greenpeace once this past millenia and decided that making it a 
place to observe but not disturb was the only way to go.

Today, Antarctica is a pristine, white, wonderland, teaming with a 
unique spectrum of life, a veritable fantasyland but for real, a 
fragile window into an environment that is just as much Earth as the 
Amazon jungle - which very few will every have the opportunity to 
admire in person, unless they seriously take up a career in the 
sciences and make contributions to society from studues there.  It is 
not a live battlefield subject where children are forced to work the 
mines for $0.25 per day without medical care for all the fingers and 
toes lost to frostbite, just so we can buy disposible containers with 
Coca Cola's lithographed logotype.

I don't know, but I would think it is not impossible to get meteorites 
 from permitted curating institutions in trades for special material 
with perfect provenance traced back to its orientation on the ice.  
However, good luck trading as I don't think anyone wants to have to 
justify to administrators who always manage to attack with hindsight - 
why they made a dumb trade of material that has been cataloged and 
never unfrozen, and acts as a control as well as a variable, since the 
day it was found.  Had Tagish Lake happened in Alaska and collecting 
been done like a space mission by private individuals, we could put the 
concept to a real test.

Put another way, the parties realized there is no such thing as putting 
it half-way in and not making other suitors jealous.

Best wishes
Doug
P.S. This is the only place I know where governments consider costs to 
be incremental costs (and don't even give you credit for your meteorite 
scale cube or double baggies).  Everywhere else governments seem to 
have a concept of cost that includes all the fat that they produce.  
Ah...human governance...

PPS The Antarctic is but a coming attraction of what is to come in 
Space... Probably it will be immoral to mine an asteroid in the 
"Federation National Parks of the Asteroid Belt" at some point ...


-----Original Message-----
From: David & Kitt Deyarmin <bobadebt at ec.rr.com>
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tue, 13 May 2008 5:04 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] A New Question


Does anyone know What is the reasoning behind the ban??
?
-------------------------------------------------------------------?
?
A specific pre-treaty date is unclear. Some of the material that was 
released into the market and that are considered 'pre-treaty': ?
Adelie Land ALHA 76001 ALHA 76003 ALHA 76005 ALHA 76006 ALHA 76008 ALHA 
76009 Mount Baldr Thiel Mtns Lazarev Derrick Peak 78008 Neptune 
Mountains ?
Most are next to impossible to get with the exception of ALHA 76009, 
which is readily available. Thiel Mountains is out there, but expect to 
pay $300-400/g for it. Lazarev was a Rob Elliot exclusive and will 
probably never be available again unless a collector sells their own. ?
A tidbit of info is here: ?
http://astro-artifacts.com/Astroartifacts/AA_Antarctic_Meteorites.html ?
Kind regards, ? Mike Bandli www.Astro-Artifacts.com ? 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
?
-----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at 
meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at 
meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Pete Shugar Sent: Monday, May 12, 
2008 7:52 PM To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: 
[meteorite-list] A New Question ?
When was the treaty banning the release of meteorites from Antarctica 
to collectors placed into effect? How many meteorites excaped before 
the ban? What are their names? Thanks in advance, Pete 
______________________________________________?
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Meteorite-list mailing list?
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From fuzzfoot at comcast.net  Tue May 13 20:04:17 2008
From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 00:04:17 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] A New Question
Message-ID: <051420080004.16534.482A2C80000BA7520000409622007621949B01010096969A00@comcast.net>

David,

Here is a great post made by Frank P. in 2002 regarding the topic:

http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com/msg05261.html

Cheers,

Mike Bandli

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: mexicodoug at aim.com
> "Does anyone know What is the reasoning behind the ban?"
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> There is no "ban".  Interested collectors from many nations have been 
> obviously stocking up collections for years with Antarctic meteorites.
> 
> Anyone (including commercial tour operators) can put together a 
> scientific plan for collecting Antarctic meteorites - at your co$$$t- 
> and apply for a permit.  You cannot b denied the permit in your 
> jurisdiction as long as you can make convincing guarantees as judged by 
> administrators that you can provide at your cost, the required 
> scientific care in collecting, curating and furnishing the meteorites 
> basically free, to bonafide researchers for scientific studies, with 
> the caveat that if any time during the perpetuity that follows you can 
> no longer do this, you must transfer everything to an entity that 
> properly can.
> 
> The reason is simple, the Antarctic is a scientific preserve where the 
> natural resources are protected, like, say, the Old Faithful Geyser in 
> Yellowstone Park.  If someone decided to drill out and cap the geyser 
> and pipe out the hot water for commercial use, how would that play on 
> your sense of morality?  I think it would bother me...  The scientific 
> preserve creation is a lucky windfall for environmentalists.  The real 
> motivation behind this government collaboration is the worry that 
> brazen nations (and there is never a shortage of these) might abuse 
> this "no-man's land" while other "well behaved nations" stood by and 
> got jealous, disadvantaged, or had their security threatened.  So the 
> countries agreed that military, disposal or commercial (i.e., mining, 
> harvesting flora or fauna) acivities by any treaty signatories was 
> mutually prohibited.
> 
> This is the "ban" you mention, no commercial meteorite hunters may 
> apply unless they plan on shouldering all the trip and collection 
> expenses by themselves and then giving away the meteorites to qualified 
> scientific interests only under the perpetually self-financed curating 
> scheme already mentioned.  If this non-commercial ban were not in 
> effect, anyone could go to this frozen paradise and dump toxic wastes, 
> drill for oil and leave their holes uncovered, tear down the mountains 
> to make cement, colonize the place ignoring the unclear set of prior 
> claims of souvreinty (which others put on hold with promises that no 
> one else could ever jump their claim) and put explosive mines and guns 
> pointed everywhere (like big boy nations do anyway with their floating 
> and flying fleets on our polluted deep oceans).  So politicians sided 
> with Greenpeace once this past millenia and decided that making it a 
> place to observe but not disturb was the only way to go.
> 
> Today, Antarctica is a pristine, white, wonderland, teaming with a 
> unique spectrum of life, a veritable fantasyland but for real, a 
> fragile window into an environment that is just as much Earth as the 
> Amazon jungle - which very few will every have the opportunity to 
> admire in person, unless they seriously take up a career in the 
> sciences and make contributions to society from studues there.  It is 
> not a live battlefield subject where children are forced to work the 
> mines for $0.25 per day without medical care for all the fingers and 
> toes lost to frostbite, just so we can buy disposible containers with 
> Coca Cola's lithographed logotype.
> 
> I don't know, but I would think it is not impossible to get meteorites 
>  from permitted curating institutions in trades for special material 
> with perfect provenance traced back to its orientation on the ice.  
> However, good luck trading as I don't think anyone wants to have to 
> justify to administrators who always manage to attack with hindsight - 
> why they made a dumb trade of material that has been cataloged and 
> never unfrozen, and acts as a control as well as a variable, since the 
> day it was found.  Had Tagish Lake happened in Alaska and collecting 
> been done like a space mission by private individuals, we could put the 
> concept to a real test.
> 
> Put another way, the parties realized there is no such thing as putting 
> it half-way in and not making other suitors jealous.
> 
> Best wishes
> Doug
> P.S. This is the only place I know where governments consider costs to 
> be incremental costs (and don't even give you credit for your meteorite 
> scale cube or double baggies).  Everywhere else governments seem to 
> have a concept of cost that includes all the fat that they produce.  
> Ah...human governance...
> 
> PPS The Antarctic is but a coming attraction of what is to come in 
> Space... Probably it will be immoral to mine an asteroid in the 
> "Federation National Parks of the Asteroid Belt" at some point ...
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David & Kitt Deyarmin <bobadebt at ec.rr.com>
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Sent: Tue, 13 May 2008 5:04 pm
> Subject: [meteorite-list] A New Question
> 
> 
> Does anyone know What is the reasoning behind the ban?? 



From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Tue May 13 20:05:56 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 17:05:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA Phoenix Mission Ready for Mars Landing
Message-ID: <200805140005.RAA26989@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



May 13, 2008

Dwayne Brown 
Headquarters, Washington 
202-358-1726
dwayne.c.brown at nasa.gov 

Guy Webster 
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
818-354-6278
guy.webster at jpl.nasa.gov 

Sara Hammond
University of Arizona, Tucson
520-626-1974
shammond at lpl.arizona.edu 

RELEASE: 08-122

NASA PHOENIX MISSION READY FOR MARS LANDING

WASHINGTON -- NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander is preparing to end its long 
journey and begin a three-month mission to taste and sniff fistfuls 
of Martian soil and buried ice. The lander is scheduled to touch down 
on the Red Planet May 25. 

Phoenix will enter the top of the Martian atmosphere at almost 13,000 
mph. In seven minutes, the spacecraft must complete a challenging 
sequence of events to slow to about 5 mph before its three legs reach 
the ground. Confirmation of the landing could come as early as 7:53 
p.m. EDT.

"This is not a trip to grandma's house. Putting a spacecraft safely on 
Mars is hard and risky," said Ed Weiler, associate administrator for 
NASA's Science Mission Directorate at NASA Headquarters in 
Washington. "Internationally, fewer than half the attempts have 
succeeded." 

Rocks large enough to spoil the landing or prevent opening of the 
solar panels present the biggest known risk. However, images from the 
High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment (HiRISE) camera on NASA's 
Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter, detailed enough to show individual rocks 
smaller than the lander, have helped lessen that risk. 

"We have blanketed nearly the entire landing area with HiRISE images," 
said Ray Arvidson of Washington University in St. Louis, chairman of 
the Phoenix landing-site working group. "This is one of the least 
rocky areas on all of Mars and we are confident that rocks will not 
detrimentally impact the ability of Phoenix to land safely."

Phoenix uses hardware from a spacecraft built for a 2001 launch that 
was canceled in response to the loss of a similar Mars spacecraft 
during a 1999 landing attempt. Researchers who proposed the Phoenix 
mission in 2002 saw the unused spacecraft as a resource for pursuing 
a new science opportunity. 

Earlier in 2002, NASA's Mars Odyssey orbiter discovered that plentiful 
water ice lies just beneath the surface throughout much of 
high-latitude Mars. NASA chose the Phoenix proposal over 24 other 
proposals to become the first endeavor in the Mars Scout program of 
competitively selected missions. 

"Phoenix will land farther north on Mars than any previous mission," 
said Phoenix Project Manager Barry Goldstein of NASA's Jet Propulsion 
Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.

The solar-powered robotic lander will manipulate a 7.7-foot arm to 
scoop up samples of underground ice and soil lying above the ice. 
Onboard laboratory instruments will analyze the samples. Cameras and 
a Canadian-supplied weather station will supply other information 
about the site's environment. 

"The Phoenix mission not only studies the northern permafrost region, 
but takes the next step in Mars exploration by determining whether 
this region, which may encompass as much as 25 percent of the Martian 
surface, is habitable," said Peter Smith, Phoenix principal 
investigator at the University of Arizona, Tucson.

One research goal is to assess whether conditions at the site ever 
have been favorable for microbial life. The composition and texture 
of soil above the ice could give clues to whether the ice ever melts 
in response to long-term climate cycles. Another important question 
is whether the scooped-up samples contain carbon-based chemicals that 
are potential building blocks and food for life.

The Phoenix mission is led by Smith with project management at JPL. 
The development partnership is with Lockheed Martin, Denver. 
International contributions are from the Canadian Space Agency; the 
University of Neuchatel, Switzerland; the universities of Copenhagen 
and Aarhus, Denmark; the Max Planck Institute, Germany; and the 
Finnish Meteorological Institute. 

For more about the Phoenix mission on the Web, visit: 

http://www.nasa.gov/phoenix

	
-end-


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Tue May 13 20:08:30 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 17:08:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rover Update - May 1-7, 2008
Message-ID: <200805140008.RAA29039@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html#opportunity

OPPORTUNITY UPDATE:  Opportunity Gearing Up for Attempt to Move Robotic
Arm - sol 1511-1517, May 01-07, 2008:

After completing a battery of diagnostic tests, engineers planned to
attempt to move Opportunity's shoulder azimuth joint, also known as
Joint 1, during the coming week.

Tests during the past week included electrical resistance tests at the
warmest and coldest times of day to determine if a persistent stall in
the joint was dependent on temperature. Test results indicated that
electrical resistance in the shoulder motor at the warmest time of day
approached normal levels.

A series of mild dust-cleaning events gave power levels a slight boost.
The dust factor -- a measure of the amount of sunlight actually
penetrating dust on the solar panels -- was about 73 percent. As
recently as Martian day, or sol, 1486 (March 29, 2008), the dust factor
was only 69 percent. Average solar-array energy during the past week was
nearly 385 watt-hours, almost enough energy to light a 100-watt bulb for
four hours.

Opportunity conducted a variety of remote-sensing activities, including
photometric observations at varying times of day, soil observations,
horizon surveys, imaging of a cobble known as "Jin" and wheel trenches
informally named "Harland" and "Williams," atmospheric observations, and
measurements of argon gas in the Martian atmosphere.

Opportunity is healthy and all subsystems are operating as expected,
with the exception of the robotic arm.

Sol-by-sol summary:

In addition to receiving morning instructions directly from Earth via
the rover's high-gain antenna, relaying data back to Earth via the UHF
antenna on the Mars Odyssey orbiter, and measuring atmospheric dust with
the panoramic camera, Opportunity completed the following activities:

Sol 1518 (May 1, 2008): Opportunity acquired a six-frame movie of
navigation-camera images in search of clouds. After sending data to
Odyssey, the rover went into a deep sleep.

Sol 1519: Opportunity acquired color images, using all 13 filters of the
panoramic camera, of Jin, a cobble upslope near one edge of the "Lyell"
outcrop. The rover went into a mini-deep sleep.

Sol 1520: The rover scanned the sky for clouds by acquiring six,
time-lapse movie frames with the navigation camera. Later, Opportunity
acquired another six-frame, time-lapse movie of potential clouds passing
overhead. After communicating with Odyssey, Opportunity measured
atmospheric dust at sunset with the panoramic camera and measured
atmospheric argon with the alpha-particle X-ray spectrometer.

Sol 1521: Opportunity acquired a mosaic of images with the panoramic
camera, took six movie frames in search of clouds with the navigation
camera, surveyed the early-morning sky with the panoramic camera, and
monitored dust accumulation on the rover mast. Opportunity took color
images, using all 13 filters of the panoramic camera, of Harland,
followed by a mosaic of images.

Sol 1522: In addition to assessing atmospheric dust at different times
of day, Opportunity produced a six-frame movie in search of clouds with
the navigation camera.

Sol 1523: In the morning, Opportunity took color images, using all 13
filters of the panoramic camera, of Williams and the surrounding soil.
Opportunity ran tests of the shoulder joint at cold and warm
temperatures. Using the navigation camera, the rover created a
time-lapse movie in search of clouds and took images of the sky, known
as "sky flats," for calibration purposes.

Sol 1524 (May 7, 2008): Opportunity surveyed the sky at low sun. The
rover measured atmospheric argon with the alpha-particle X-ray
spectrometer and took thumbnail images of the sky for calibration
purposes with the panoramic camera. Opportunity created a movie in
search of clouds with the navigation camera.

Odometry:

As of sol 1524 (May 7, 2008), Opportunity's total odometry remained at
11,689.53 meters (about 7 and one-quarter miles).


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Tue May 13 20:20:19 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 17:20:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Caltech Helps Open the Universe in 'WorldWide
	Telescope'
Message-ID: <200805140020.RAA05648@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


Caltech News Release
For Immediate Release
May 13, 2008

Caltech Helps Open the Universe in "WorldWide Telescope"

PASADENA, Calif.-- Panoramic images of the sky obtained at Palomar 
Observatory and by the Two Micron All Sky Survey (2MASS), plus 
pointed observations from the Spitzer Space Telescope, form a 
significant part of the "World Wide Telescope" (WWT), a new product 
released today by Microsoft aimed at bringing exploration of the 
Universe and its many wonders to the general public.

WorldWide Telescope is a rich Web application that combines imagery 
from the best ground- and space-based observatories across the world, 
stitching together terabytes of high-resolution images of celestial 
bodies and displaying them in a way that relates to their actual 
relative position in the sky. Using their own computers, people from 
all walks of life can freely browse through the solar system, galaxy, 
and beyond. They can choose which telescope they want to look 
through, including NASA's Hubble, Chandra, and Spitzer Telescopes, to 
view the locations of planets in the night sky--in the past, present 
or future--and the universe through different wavelengths of light to 
reveal hidden structures in other parts of the galaxy. Taken as a 
whole, the application provides a top-to-bottom view of the science 
of astronomy.

"The progression from William and Caroline Herschel's visual catalogs 
in the late 1700s to digital pictures available to anyone with a home 
computer shows the amazing advances in astronomy over two centuries, 
and also the continuity of our subject," says Wallace Sargent, Ira S. 
Bowen Professor of Astronomy at the California Institute of 
Technology. Scientists at Caltech provided many of the images 
displayed in WWT and are working with the Microsoft team to enrich 
and expand the content and the educational possibilities offered by 
the application.

The WWT combines cosmic imagery and educational content from many 
sources, including major ground-based sky surveys. One of those was 
the survey conducted at Palomar Observatory in visible light; another 
was the 2MASS survey in the infrared. Both projects are managed and 
distributed at Caltech's Infrared Processing and Analysis Center 
(IPAC).

Palomar Observatory, which is operated by Caltech, has conducted a 
number of major sky surveys since the 1950s, initially with 
photographic plates, and now with modern digital detectors. The 
surveys are conducted using the 48-inch Samuel Oschin Telescope.

Images of the northern sky used in the WWT are based on the second 
major photographic Palomar Sky Survey (POSS-II), conducted in the 
late 1980s and early 1990s. A digital version of this survey was 
produced in collaboration with the Space Telescope Science Institute 
in Baltimore, Maryland, and processed and calibrated at Caltech under 
the leadership of Caltech Professor of Astronomy S. George 
Djorgovski. This survey has detected over 50 million galaxies and 
about a billion stars, as well as many other interesting objects. 
Additional images for the WWT were provided by the currently ongoing 
Palomar-Quest digital sky survey. All of the images were processed at 
Caltech's Center for Advanced Computing Research (CACR). "Astronomy 
is now a computationally intensive field. We hope to use the WWT as a 
gateway to learning, not just about astronomy, but also about 
information technology and computational thinking, which are so 
important for all aspects of modern scholarship and society," says 
Roy Williams of CACR.

Using data collected from twin 1.3-meter telescopes in Arizona and 
Chile over a 3.5-year period, 2MASS produced the first 
high-resolution digital survey of the complete infrared sky, 
providing the international astronomical community with an 
unprecedented global view of the Milky Way and nearby galaxies. 2MASS 
was the most thorough census ever made of the Milky Way galaxy and 
the nearby universe. It detected infrared wavelengths, which are 
longer than the red light in the rainbow of visible colors. Infrared 
light penetrates dust more effectively than visible light, so it is 
particularly useful for detecting objects obscured within the Milky 
Way, as well as the faint heat of very cool objects that give off 
very little visible light of their own.

"Humans have always been fascinated by the universe, by the starry 
sky," says Djorgovski. "We are hoping to help reignite that sense of 
wonder and exploration among students and curious people everywhere."


More information is available at the following:

The Digital Palomar Observatory Sky Survey website:
http://www.astro.caltech.edu/~george/dposs/

The Palomar-Quest sky survey website: http://palquest.org/

The "Big Picture" outreach website: http://bigpicture.caltech.edu/

Palomar Observatory website: http://www.astro.caltech.edu/palomar/

The Samuel Oschin Telescope: http://www.astro.caltech.edu/palomar/sot.html

The Center for Advanced Computing Research website: 
http://www.cacr.caltech.edu/

Caltech's Infrared Processing and Analysis Center: http://ipac.caltech.edu.

WorldWide Telescope can be accessed at http://www.worldwidetelescope.org/

Wallace Sargent's description of the POSS-II survey: 
http://www.astro.caltech.edu/~wws/poss2.html


###

Contact:
S. George Djorgovski
Caltech Astronomy
george at astro.caltech.edu
(626) 395-4415

Roy Williams
Caltech Center for Advanced Computing Research
roy at cacr.caltech.edu
(626) 395-3670

Kathy Svitil
(626) 395-8022
ksvitil at caltech.edu




From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Tue May 13 22:28:38 2008
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 19:28:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] My apologies to my recent trading partners!
In-Reply-To: <mailman.49.1210608067.48637.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <648395.82995.qm@web58414.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi folks!

I wanted to give the group an update about why I have
fallen silent lately.  I made a call for micromounts
of rare falls and many of you kindly responded with
some
nice offers that I took advantage of.  I sent payment
and I received all of the micros I was promised - this
includes Maria Haas, Coby Wellshear, and a couple of
others whose names escape me at the moment.

The reason I did not send an email this past week to
acknowledge my reception of the goods was because we
had a family crisis that took me away from email and
the internet for several days.  My wife has fallen ill
with a bad gall-bladder (we think, we are still trying
to pin down the diagnosis), and it required two trips
to the emergency room this past week.  Since we are
sole caretakers for my elderly fatherinlaw, this 
caused a big family shakeup, with my wife and I having
to call in her sister to help caretake while I took my
wife for treatment.  Needless to say, this has shaken
things up and I have fallen behind on my emails and
communications.

I don't owe anyone any money, and all accounts are 
current, so to speak.  I just wanted to send out this
posting to let my friends know why I have not
responded.
I hate to dump personal stuff into the water cooler 
like this, but this is going to save me from retelling
this several times.

Best regards,

MikeG


.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Website - http://www.glassthrower.com/meteorites
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
..........................................................



      

From BMason3 at comcast.net  Tue May 13 23:04:37 2008
From: BMason3 at comcast.net (Bill Mason)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 22:04:37 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] A New Question
In-Reply-To: <8CA83634F01E956-BC0-1050@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com>
References: <009b01c8b53c$df79dd30$832ab841@David>
	<8CA83634F01E956-BC0-1050@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c8b56f$3f6bdd10$be439730$@net>

Dear Doug,   I suspect that the academic community like the SVP ( Society of Vertebrate  Paleontology) honestly believes that if you don't have a PhD and 12 years of schooling you are not qualified to touch, handle or study a meteorite. The nature of public intuitions from which they hale is governmental in nature.  The pole regions are financed by government hence they have the say so as to how their domain shall be managed.  Sale of any scientific material is a big no. no. even if you have 50 tons of the same stuff.  Don't ask for an explanation they have already made up their mind and that is final - until someone changes their collective mind set.

Bm3

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of mexicodoug at aim.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 5:54 PM
To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A New Question

"Does anyone know What is the reasoning behind the ban?"

Hi David,

There is no "ban".  Interested collectors from many nations have been 
obviously stocking up collections for years with Antarctic meteorites.

Anyone (including commercial tour operators) can put together a 
scientific plan for collecting Antarctic meteorites - at your co$$$t- 
and apply for a permit.  You cannot b denied the permit in your 
jurisdiction as long as you can make convincing guarantees as judged by 
administrators that you can provide at your cost, the required 
scientific care in collecting, curating and furnishing the meteorites 
basically free, to bonafide researchers for scientific studies, with 
the caveat that if any time during the perpetuity that follows you can 
no longer do this, you must transfer everything to an entity that 
properly can.

The reason is simple, the Antarctic is a scientific preserve where the 
natural resources are protected, like, say, the Old Faithful Geyser in 
Yellowstone Park.  If someone decided to drill out and cap the geyser 
and pipe out the hot water for commercial use, how would that play on 
your sense of morality?  I think it would bother me...  The scientific 
preserve creation is a lucky windfall for environmentalists.  The real 
motivation behind this government collaboration is the worry that 
brazen nations (and there is never a shortage of these) might abuse 
this "no-man's land" while other "well behaved nations" stood by and 
got jealous, disadvantaged, or had their security threatened.  So the 
countries agreed that military, disposal or commercial (i.e., mining, 
harvesting flora or fauna) acivities by any treaty signatories was 
mutually prohibited.

This is the "ban" you mention, no commercial meteorite hunters may 
apply unless they plan on shouldering all the trip and collection 
expenses by themselves and then giving away the meteorites to qualified 
scientific interests only under the perpetually self-financed curating 
scheme already mentioned.  If this non-commercial ban were not in 
effect, anyone could go to this frozen paradise and dump toxic wastes, 
drill for oil and leave their holes uncovered, tear down the mountains 
to make cement, colonize the place ignoring the unclear set of prior 
claims of souvreinty (which others put on hold with promises that no 
one else could ever jump their claim) and put explosive mines and guns 
pointed everywhere (like big boy nations do anyway with their floating 
and flying fleets on our polluted deep oceans).  So politicians sided 
with Greenpeace once this past millenia and decided that making it a 
place to observe but not disturb was the only way to go.

Today, Antarctica is a pristine, white, wonderland, teaming with a 
unique spectrum of life, a veritable fantasyland but for real, a 
fragile window into an environment that is just as much Earth as the 
Amazon jungle - which very few will every have the opportunity to 
admire in person, unless they seriously take up a career in the 
sciences and make contributions to society from studues there.  It is 
not a live battlefield subject where children are forced to work the 
mines for $0.25 per day without medical care for all the fingers and 
toes lost to frostbite, just so we can buy disposible containers with 
Coca Cola's lithographed logotype.

I don't know, but I would think it is not impossible to get meteorites 
 from permitted curating institutions in trades for special material 
with perfect provenance traced back to its orientation on the ice.  
However, good luck trading as I don't think anyone wants to have to 
justify to administrators who always manage to attack with hindsight - 
why they made a dumb trade of material that has been cataloged and 
never unfrozen, and acts as a control as well as a variable, since the 
day it was found.  Had Tagish Lake happened in Alaska and collecting 
been done like a space mission by private individuals, we could put the 
concept to a real test.

Put another way, the parties realized there is no such thing as putting 
it half-way in and not making other suitors jealous.

Best wishes
Doug
P.S. This is the only place I know where governments consider costs to 
be incremental costs (and don't even give you credit for your meteorite 
scale cube or double baggies).  Everywhere else governments seem to 
have a concept of cost that includes all the fat that they produce.  
Ah...human governance...

PPS The Antarctic is but a coming attraction of what is to come in 
Space... Probably it will be immoral to mine an asteroid in the 
"Federation National Parks of the Asteroid Belt" at some point ...


-----Original Message-----
From: David & Kitt Deyarmin <bobadebt at ec.rr.com>
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tue, 13 May 2008 5:04 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] A New Question


Does anyone know What is the reasoning behind the ban? 
 
------------------------------------------------------------------- 
 
A specific pre-treaty date is unclear. Some of the material that was 
released into the market and that are considered 'pre-treaty':  
Adelie Land ALHA 76001 ALHA 76003 ALHA 76005 ALHA 76006 ALHA 76008 ALHA 
76009 Mount Baldr Thiel Mtns Lazarev Derrick Peak 78008 Neptune 
Mountains  
Most are next to impossible to get with the exception of ALHA 76009, 
which is readily available. Thiel Mountains is out there, but expect to 
pay $300-400/g for it. Lazarev was a Rob Elliot exclusive and will 
probably never be available again unless a collector sells their own.  
A tidbit of info is here:  
http://astro-artifacts.com/Astroartifacts/AA_Antarctic_Meteorites.html  
Kind regards,   Mike Bandli www.Astro-Artifacts.com   
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
-----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at 
meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at 
meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Pete Shugar Sent: Monday, May 12, 
2008 7:52 PM To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: 
[meteorite-list] A New Question  
When was the treaty banning the release of meteorites from Antarctica 
to collectors placed into effect? How many meteorites excaped before 
the ban? What are their names? Thanks in advance, Pete 
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From info at meteorites.com.au  Wed May 14 00:51:51 2008
From: info at meteorites.com.au (Jeff Kuyken)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 14:51:51 +1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Monthly Favourite - May 2008
Message-ID: <989474BB64BB47319ECCE86BDB3BEE5F@JeffPC>

http://www.meteorites.com.au/favourite/may2008.html

Cheers,

Jeff

From mexicodoug at aim.com  Wed May 14 02:12:48 2008
From: mexicodoug at aim.com (mexicodoug at aim.com)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 02:12:48 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] A New Question
In-Reply-To: <000c01c8b56f$3f6bdd10$be439730$@net>
References: <009b01c8b53c$df79dd30$832ab841@David>	<8CA83634F01E956-BC0-1050@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com>
	<000c01c8b56f$3f6bdd10$be439730$@net>
Message-ID: <8CA83A0AAC1D9A8-E70-5BB@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com>

BM3 wrote:

"Sale of any scientific material is a big no. no."

"years of schooling you are not qualified to touch, handle or study
 a meteorite. "

Editorial
Dear Bill, Sure: Let me respond with a flurry of opinion that has
not been peer-reviewed...

What some think of individuals without Academic printed
Union Cards, I really wouldn't give any thought to the portion of
folks endowed with such intellect that they've lost the ability to
have unbiased thought while researching a meaningful world
problem.  It's just the wrong crowd, the same one that
failed the verbal portion of their entrance exams and were
admitted into their PhD programs anyway - dump 'um or
become a politician or talk show host.

Clearly the "No-sale" is a cork in Pandora's Bottle that prevents all 
sorts
of abuses against each and every one of our rights from surfacing,
just like business as usual on the meteorite-list, because as I
mentioned, anything Antarctic simply may not be for sale in
the signatory countries.  The important thought here is:

"It is NOT about the meteorites and it NEVER was."

It has nothing to do with science, or any magic about meteorites,
either.  Meteorites have NOT been singled out for discrimination.
It only impacts people who have vested interests in meteorites.

As I understand this, you could not even bring a snowball, a boat
full of ice to sell to parched children in the desert, or a pile of
bat guano back from Antarctica and sell it.

The rest is just protocol and riders that have been added within
different countries and only applies to their jurisdictions, so you can
talk to your congressman about that and challenge the more foolish
provisions in a competent court and rewrite it if it ever became a
real issue.

Scientists, have simply applied for an exemption to allow meteorite
collecting and it has been granted.  It is their (our) good fortune
that science is universally accepted by the signatory countries.
I'm not sure everyone is entirely ok with that either, btw.
What would Guatemala think of the American, Japanese, Chinese
institutions hoarding so much?

What will the Americans think when the Chinese ramp up their
recovery effort and vacuum clean the blue ice for years missed?
Surely, they'll be delighted that there will be all the new
meteorites in curation.  It's a fragile alliance and I think in
everyone's interest to work out the details.  Do you think
researchers in a country may get preference on material vs. a
foreign request?  Do you really think each nation's program isn't
looking out for their own benefit when they march to save
humanity? Politics ...

I realize that certain scientists have put all sorts of biased checks
and controls, erring on the side of protectionism rather than
commercialism and individualism.  It's really too difficult a problem
for one person to solve by themself, so I just ask myself,

"Am I happy with the Antarctica meteorite recovery efforts
I hear about?"

As a shareholder in this Planet it is my final decision one small
vote, and I think I am happy, because all I see is an impeccable
record of science keeping researchers happy and supplied for
generations, and if I ever want to follow protocol, I too could
have an opportunity to study this materia subject to external
review. Now, I don't like being reviewed any more than the
next guy, but that's just the unofficial part of the scientific
method.  It gives me pride more  than anything else that
this could happen.

IMO, the world is like one big swimming pool that fell together
by chance which we are all treading water inside...  everything
in some sense is connected to the whole.  Do you really think the
NWA phenomenon would have blessed (and damned) responsible
collectors if the big guys didn't have their olympic sized continental
Antarctic pool to recover meteorites?  I, like many list members am
a little disgusted with the paucity of coordinates associated in NWA,
so I think we have a generally healthy situation which forces
everyone: collectors and scientists alike- to behave themselves to
a certain extent.  Antarctica is a beacon of perfection to remind
collectors what meteorites are all about and to provide for posterity,
and NWA is a thorn in the paws of those who think that an illiterate
nomad can't discover all by himself to recognize and value the Moon
and conduct a a search into the minutia and add value even where
a government body couldn't.  It's the Ying and the Yang which
teaches us mutual respect although most of us have difficulty to
handle that once we see anything remotely interpretable as
favored treatment.

Until a true case comes along to challenge the current establishment,
it's moot and it's cool.

But when the day comes where a private and talented individual
has the gumption to challenge the current assumptions, I'll sit
back and chomp the popcorn.  The Antarctic treaty says nothing
to my knowledge about trades, and if the first iron meteorite
from a distant supernova happens to fall through the roof of
the Inn Suites and get caught in some dinosaur skeleton's skull
right next to you, and then accidently plop into one of your
baggies just as it is prepared, which you seal and freeze, offer
it up as trade material for a new Antarctic meteorite and see if
the beaurocratic wheels of science suddenly don't run after you
like hungry crocs with their red carpet ready and clasped
between their jaws...

Or, if the nationless NWA nomads organized a meteorite
collecting expedition to Antarctica, I'd be devastated to
think how quickly all this greatness we have could crash
and burn if hey ignored non-binding protocol.

Would anyone actually prefer that to the status
quo?  I sincerely hope NOT.  After all, if not for the science,
all the unclassified gravel on the planet would only be
useful for building roads.

Best wishes,
Doug

Bill wrote:

Dear Doug,   I suspect that the academic community like the SVP ( 
Society of
Vertebrate  Paleontology) honestly believes that if you don't have a 
PhD and 12
years of schooling you are not qualified to touch, handle or study a 
meteorite.
The nature of public intuitions from which they hale is governmental in 
nature.
The pole regions are financed by government hence they have the say so 
as to how
their domain shall be managed.  Sale of any scientific material is a 
big no. no.
even if you have 50 tons of the same stuff.  Don't ask for an 
explanation they
have already made up their mind and that is final - until someone 
changes their
collective mind set.

Bm3

-----Original Message-----
 From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com 
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com]
On Behalf Of mexicodoug at aim.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 5:54 PM
To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A New Question

"Does anyone know What is the reasoning behind the ban?"

Hi David,

There is no "ban".  Interested collectors from many nations have been
obviously stocking up collections for years with Antarctic meteorites.

Anyone (including commercial tour operators) can put together a
scientific plan for collecting Antarctic meteorites - at your co$$$t-
and apply for a permit.  You cannot b denied the permit in your
jurisdiction as long as you can make convincing guarantees as judged by
administrators that you can provide at your cost, the required
scientific care in collecting, curating and furnishing the meteorites
basically free, to bonafide researchers for scientific studies, with
the caveat that if any time during the perpetuity that follows you can
no longer do this, you must transfer everything to an entity that
properly can.

The reason is simple, the Antarctic is a scientific preserve where the
natural resources are protected, like, say, the Old Faithful Geyser in
Yellowstone Park.  If someone decided to drill out and cap the geyser
and pipe out the hot water for commercial use, how would that play on
your sense of morality?  I think it would bother me...  The scientific
preserve creation is a lucky windfall for environmentalists.  The real
motivation behind this government collaboration is the worry that
brazen nations (and there is never a shortage of these) might abuse
this "no-man's land" while other "well behaved nations" stood by and
got jealous, disadvantaged, or had their security threatened.  So the
countries agreed that military, disposal or commercial (i.e., mining,
harvesting flora or fauna) acivities by any treaty signatories was
mutually prohibited.

This is the "ban" you mention, no commercial meteorite hunters may
apply unless they plan on shouldering all the trip and collection
expenses by themselves and then giving away the meteorites to qualified
scientific interests only under the perpetually self-financed curating
scheme already mentioned.  If this non-commercial ban were not in
effect, anyone could go to this frozen paradise and dump toxic wastes,
drill for oil and leave their holes uncovered, tear down the mountains
to make cement, colonize the place ignoring the unclear set of prior
claims of souvreinty (which others put on hold with promises that no
one else could ever jump their claim) and put explosive mines and guns
pointed everywhere (like big boy nations do anyway with their floating
and flying fleets on our polluted deep oceans).  So politicians sided
with Greenpeace once this past millenia and decided that making it a
place to observe but not disturb was the only way to go.

Today, Antarctica is a pristine, white, wonderland, teaming with a
unique spectrum of life, a veritable fantasyland but for real, a
fragile window into an environment that is just as much Earth as the
Amazon jungle - which very few will every have the opportunity to
admire in person, unless they seriously take up a career in the
sciences and make contributions to society from studues there.  It is
not a live battlefield subject where children are forced to work the
mines for $0.25 per day without medical care for all the fingers and
toes lost to frostbite, just so we can buy disposible containers with
Coca Cola's lithographed logotype.

I don't know, but I would think it is not impossible to get meteorites
 from permitted curating institutions in trades for special material
with perfect provenance traced back to its orientation on the ice.
However, good luck trading as I don't think anyone wants to have to
justify to administrators who always manage to attack with hindsight -
why they made a dumb trade of material that has been cataloged and
never unfrozen, and acts as a control as well as a variable, since the
day it was found.  Had Tagish Lake happened in Alaska and collecting
been done like a space mission by private individuals, we could put the
concept to a real test.

Put another way, the parties realized there is no such thing as putting
it half-way in and not making other suitors jealous.

Best wishes
Doug
P.S. This is the only place I know where governments consider costs to
be incremental costs (and don't even give you credit for your meteorite
scale cube or double baggies).  Everywhere else governments seem to
have a concept of cost that includes all the fat that they produce.
Ah...human governance...

PPS The Antarctic is but a coming attraction of what is to come in
Space... Probably it will be immoral to mine an asteroid in the
"Federation National Parks of the Asteroid Belt" at some point ...


-----Original Message-----
From: David & Kitt Deyarmin <bobadebt at ec.rr.com>
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tue, 13 May 2008 5:04 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] A New Question


Does anyone know What is the reasoning behind the ban?

-------------------------------------------------------------------

A specific pre-treaty date is unclear. Some of the material that was
released into the market and that are considered 'pre-treaty':
Adelie Land ALHA 76001 ALHA 76003 ALHA 76005 ALHA 76006 ALHA 76008 ALHA
76009 Mount Baldr Thiel Mtns Lazarev Derrick Peak 78008 Neptune
Mountains
Most are next to impossible to get with the exception of ALHA 76009,
which is readily available. Thiel Mountains is out there, but expect to
pay $300-400/g for it. Lazarev was a Rob Elliot exclusive and will
probably never be available again unless a collector sells their own.
A tidbit of info is here:
http://astro-artifacts.com/Astroartifacts/AA_Antarctic_Meteorites.html
Kind regards,   Mike Bandli www.Astro-Artifacts.com
-------------------------------------------------------------------------


-----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at
meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at
meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Pete Shugar Sent: Monday, May 12,
2008 7:52 PM To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject:
[meteorite-list] A New Question
When was the treaty banning the release of meteorites from Antarctica
to collectors placed into effect? How many meteorites excaped before
the ban? What are their names? Thanks in advance, Pete
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From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Wed May 14 07:05:30 2008
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 04:05:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] cumberland falls
Message-ID: <645833.29786.qm@web57804.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Good morning list.I have always liked the cumberland falls meteorite.Especially with those black clasts.I am looking for a slice that will not break an arm and a leg to purchase.Please let me know offlist as to what is available.

Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!!  ???? The Asteroid Belt!  ??? http://chicagometeorites.net/  ??? Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999  ??? Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites


      

From BMason3 at comcast.net  Wed May 14 07:21:42 2008
From: BMason3 at comcast.net (Bill Mason)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 06:21:42 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] A New Question
In-Reply-To: <8CA83A0AAC1D9A8-E70-5BB@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com>
References: <009b01c8b53c$df79dd30$832ab841@David>	<8CA83634F01E956-BC0-1050@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com>	<000c01c8b56f$3f6bdd10$be439730$@net>
	<8CA83A0AAC1D9A8-E70-5BB@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <000601c8b5b4$b09ab9d0$11d02d70$@net>

Dear Doug,  Good heavens you are a bright beacon of reasonable, rational
observation of a situation that exists and makes good sense.  I suspect that
some years in the future when $$$ start to be in short supply you will see
the host countries sell some of the most mundane meteorites to the public.
With the knowledge of what we have already learned about our visitors from
space the collections of Antarctic meteorites will just be more icing on the
cake of the knowledge driven scientists, be the amateur, commercial or PhD.
Some people live for money $$ other live for knowledge.   I like the latter.

Bill Mason III  "rusty"



-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
mexicodoug at aim.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 1:13 AM
To: BMason3 at comcast.net; Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A New Question

BM3 wrote:

"Sale of any scientific material is a big no. no."

"years of schooling you are not qualified to touch, handle or study
 a meteorite. "

Editorial
Dear Bill, Sure: Let me respond with a flurry of opinion that has
not been peer-reviewed...

What some think of individuals without Academic printed
Union Cards, I really wouldn't give any thought to the portion of
folks endowed with such intellect that they've lost the ability to
have unbiased thought while researching a meaningful world
problem.  It's just the wrong crowd, the same one that
failed the verbal portion of their entrance exams and were
admitted into their PhD programs anyway - dump 'um or
become a politician or talk show host.

Clearly the "No-sale" is a cork in Pandora's Bottle that prevents all 
sorts
of abuses against each and every one of our rights from surfacing,
just like business as usual on the meteorite-list, because as I
mentioned, anything Antarctic simply may not be for sale in
the signatory countries.  The important thought here is:

"It is NOT about the meteorites and it NEVER was."

It has nothing to do with science, or any magic about meteorites,
either.  Meteorites have NOT been singled out for discrimination.
It only impacts people who have vested interests in meteorites.

As I understand this, you could not even bring a snowball, a boat
full of ice to sell to parched children in the desert, or a pile of
bat guano back from Antarctica and sell it.

The rest is just protocol and riders that have been added within
different countries and only applies to their jurisdictions, so you can
talk to your congressman about that and challenge the more foolish
provisions in a competent court and rewrite it if it ever became a
real issue.

Scientists, have simply applied for an exemption to allow meteorite
collecting and it has been granted.  It is their (our) good fortune
that science is universally accepted by the signatory countries.
I'm not sure everyone is entirely ok with that either, btw.
What would Guatemala think of the American, Japanese, Chinese
institutions hoarding so much?

What will the Americans think when the Chinese ramp up their
recovery effort and vacuum clean the blue ice for years missed?
Surely, they'll be delighted that there will be all the new
meteorites in curation.  It's a fragile alliance and I think in
everyone's interest to work out the details.  Do you think
researchers in a country may get preference on material vs. a
foreign request?  Do you really think each nation's program isn't
looking out for their own benefit when they march to save
humanity? Politics ...

I realize that certain scientists have put all sorts of biased checks
and controls, erring on the side of protectionism rather than
commercialism and individualism.  It's really too difficult a problem
for one person to solve by themself, so I just ask myself,

"Am I happy with the Antarctica meteorite recovery efforts
I hear about?"

As a shareholder in this Planet it is my final decision one small
vote, and I think I am happy, because all I see is an impeccable
record of science keeping researchers happy and supplied for
generations, and if I ever want to follow protocol, I too could
have an opportunity to study this materia subject to external
review. Now, I don't like being reviewed any more than the
next guy, but that's just the unofficial part of the scientific
method.  It gives me pride more  than anything else that
this could happen.

IMO, the world is like one big swimming pool that fell together
by chance which we are all treading water inside...  everything
in some sense is connected to the whole.  Do you really think the
NWA phenomenon would have blessed (and damned) responsible
collectors if the big guys didn't have their olympic sized continental
Antarctic pool to recover meteorites?  I, like many list members am
a little disgusted with the paucity of coordinates associated in NWA,
so I think we have a generally healthy situation which forces
everyone: collectors and scientists alike- to behave themselves to
a certain extent.  Antarctica is a beacon of perfection to remind
collectors what meteorites are all about and to provide for posterity,
and NWA is a thorn in the paws of those who think that an illiterate
nomad can't discover all by himself to recognize and value the Moon
and conduct a a search into the minutia and add value even where
a government body couldn't.  It's the Ying and the Yang which
teaches us mutual respect although most of us have difficulty to
handle that once we see anything remotely interpretable as
favored treatment.

Until a true case comes along to challenge the current establishment,
it's moot and it's cool.

But when the day comes where a private and talented individual
has the gumption to challenge the current assumptions, I'll sit
back and chomp the popcorn.  The Antarctic treaty says nothing
to my knowledge about trades, and if the first iron meteorite
from a distant supernova happens to fall through the roof of
the Inn Suites and get caught in some dinosaur skeleton's skull
right next to you, and then accidently plop into one of your
baggies just as it is prepared, which you seal and freeze, offer
it up as trade material for a new Antarctic meteorite and see if
the beaurocratic wheels of science suddenly don't run after you
like hungry crocs with their red carpet ready and clasped
between their jaws...

Or, if the nationless NWA nomads organized a meteorite
collecting expedition to Antarctica, I'd be devastated to
think how quickly all this greatness we have could crash
and burn if hey ignored non-binding protocol.

Would anyone actually prefer that to the status
quo?  I sincerely hope NOT.  After all, if not for the science,
all the unclassified gravel on the planet would only be
useful for building roads.

Best wishes,
Doug

Bill wrote:

Dear Doug,   I suspect that the academic community like the SVP ( 
Society of
Vertebrate  Paleontology) honestly believes that if you don't have a 
PhD and 12
years of schooling you are not qualified to touch, handle or study a 
meteorite.
The nature of public intuitions from which they hale is governmental in 
nature.
The pole regions are financed by government hence they have the say so 
as to how
their domain shall be managed.  Sale of any scientific material is a 
big no. no.
even if you have 50 tons of the same stuff.  Don't ask for an 
explanation they
have already made up their mind and that is final - until someone 
changes their
collective mind set.

Bm3

-----Original Message-----
 From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com 
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com]
On Behalf Of mexicodoug at aim.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 5:54 PM
To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A New Question

"Does anyone know What is the reasoning behind the ban?"

Hi David,

There is no "ban".  Interested collectors from many nations have been
obviously stocking up collections for years with Antarctic meteorites.

Anyone (including commercial tour operators) can put together a
scientific plan for collecting Antarctic meteorites - at your co$$$t-
and apply for a permit.  You cannot b denied the permit in your
jurisdiction as long as you can make convincing guarantees as judged by
administrators that you can provide at your cost, the required
scientific care in collecting, curating and furnishing the meteorites
basically free, to bonafide researchers for scientific studies, with
the caveat that if any time during the perpetuity that follows you can
no longer do this, you must transfer everything to an entity that
properly can.

The reason is simple, the Antarctic is a scientific preserve where the
natural resources are protected, like, say, the Old Faithful Geyser in
Yellowstone Park.  If someone decided to drill out and cap the geyser
and pipe out the hot water for commercial use, how would that play on
your sense of morality?  I think it would bother me...  The scientific
preserve creation is a lucky windfall for environmentalists.  The real
motivation behind this government collaboration is the worry that
brazen nations (and there is never a shortage of these) might abuse
this "no-man's land" while other "well behaved nations" stood by and
got jealous, disadvantaged, or had their security threatened.  So the
countries agreed that military, disposal or commercial (i.e., mining,
harvesting flora or fauna) acivities by any treaty signatories was
mutually prohibited.

This is the "ban" you mention, no commercial meteorite hunters may
apply unless they plan on shouldering all the trip and collection
expenses by themselves and then giving away the meteorites to qualified
scientific interests only under the perpetually self-financed curating
scheme already mentioned.  If this non-commercial ban were not in
effect, anyone could go to this frozen paradise and dump toxic wastes,
drill for oil and leave their holes uncovered, tear down the mountains
to make cement, colonize the place ignoring the unclear set of prior
claims of souvreinty (which others put on hold with promises that no
one else could ever jump their claim) and put explosive mines and guns
pointed everywhere (like big boy nations do anyway with their floating
and flying fleets on our polluted deep oceans).  So politicians sided
with Greenpeace once this past millenia and decided that making it a
place to observe but not disturb was the only way to go.

Today, Antarctica is a pristine, white, wonderland, teaming with a
unique spectrum of life, a veritable fantasyland but for real, a
fragile window into an environment that is just as much Earth as the
Amazon jungle - which very few will every have the opportunity to
admire in person, unless they seriously take up a career in the
sciences and make contributions to society from studues there.  It is
not a live battlefield subject where children are forced to work the
mines for $0.25 per day without medical care for all the fingers and
toes lost to frostbite, just so we can buy disposible containers with
Coca Cola's lithographed logotype.

I don't know, but I would think it is not impossible to get meteorites
 from permitted curating institutions in trades for special material
with perfect provenance traced back to its orientation on the ice.
However, good luck trading as I don't think anyone wants to have to
justify to administrators who always manage to attack with hindsight -
why they made a dumb trade of material that has been cataloged and
never unfrozen, and acts as a control as well as a variable, since the
day it was found.  Had Tagish Lake happened in Alaska and collecting
been done like a space mission by private individuals, we could put the
concept to a real test.

Put another way, the parties realized there is no such thing as putting
it half-way in and not making other suitors jealous.

Best wishes
Doug
P.S. This is the only place I know where governments consider costs to
be incremental costs (and don't even give you credit for your meteorite
scale cube or double baggies).  Everywhere else governments seem to
have a concept of cost that includes all the fat that they produce.
Ah...human governance...

PPS The Antarctic is but a coming attraction of what is to come in
Space... Probably it will be immoral to mine an asteroid in the
"Federation National Parks of the Asteroid Belt" at some point ...


-----Original Message-----
From: David & Kitt Deyarmin <bobadebt at ec.rr.com>
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tue, 13 May 2008 5:04 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] A New Question


Does anyone know What is the reasoning behind the ban?

-------------------------------------------------------------------

A specific pre-treaty date is unclear. Some of the material that was
released into the market and that are considered 'pre-treaty':
Adelie Land ALHA 76001 ALHA 76003 ALHA 76005 ALHA 76006 ALHA 76008 ALHA
76009 Mount Baldr Thiel Mtns Lazarev Derrick Peak 78008 Neptune
Mountains
Most are next to impossible to get with the exception of ALHA 76009,
which is readily available. Thiel Mountains is out there, but expect to
pay $300-400/g for it. Lazarev was a Rob Elliot exclusive and will
probably never be available again unless a collector sells their own.
A tidbit of info is here:
http://astro-artifacts.com/Astroartifacts/AA_Antarctic_Meteorites.html
Kind regards,   Mike Bandli www.Astro-Artifacts.com
-------------------------------------------------------------------------


-----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at
meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at
meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Pete Shugar Sent: Monday, May 12,
2008 7:52 PM To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject:
[meteorite-list] A New Question
When was the treaty banning the release of meteorites from Antarctica
to collectors placed into effect? How many meteorites excaped before
the ban? What are their names? Thanks in advance, Pete
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From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Wed May 14 14:01:04 2008
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 20:01:04 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] A New Question
In-Reply-To: <000c01c8b56f$3f6bdd10$be439730$@net>
References: <009b01c8b53c$df79dd30$832ab841@David><8CA83634F01E956-BC0-1050@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com>
	<000c01c8b56f$3f6bdd10$be439730$@net>
Message-ID: <002a01c8b5ec$8030cbd0$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>

Besides... I have some ideas (sorry, happens from time to time):

Could it be also a reason for Antarctic meteorites never can't be traded,
that according the Antarctic treaties, none of the governments involved in
Antarctic hunts can't get ownership in these meteorites?

Second idea is, concerning the laws regarding meteorites popping out now
sporadically here and there in a few countries (which became victims of the
usual disastrous propaganda).
The Antarctic meteorites (btw. the vast majority of all meteorite finds) are
the proof, that meteorites are no resources,
else the governments wouldn't be allowed to remove them.
Aaand they meteorites per se are no cultural heritage, for culture you need
humans, but Antarctica isn't and wasn't habited.

...only thoughts.
Martin

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Bill
Mason
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 14. Mai 2008 05:05
An: mexicodoug at aim.com; Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] A New Question

Dear Doug,   I suspect that the academic community like the SVP ( Society of
Vertebrate  Paleontology) honestly believes that if you don't have a PhD and
12 years of schooling you are not qualified to touch, handle or study a
meteorite. The nature of public intuitions from which they hale is
governmental in nature.  The pole regions are financed by government hence
they have the say so as to how their domain shall be managed.  Sale of any
scientific material is a big no. no. even if you have 50 tons of the same
stuff.  Don't ask for an explanation they have already made up their mind
and that is final - until someone changes their collective mind set.

Bm3




From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Wed May 14 16:45:15 2008
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 13:45:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Antarctic meteorites
Message-ID: <684429.97235.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Doug, all - 

"It is NOT about the meteorites and it NEVER was."

That's pretty much it. Years ago everyone decided that
they really didn't want to fight over the Antarctic's
resources, and the meteorite rules are just an
extension to that.

Which leaves those with really rare specimens in a
position to work out trades, providing they have the
right contacts.

As far as any acadmic exclusive claim to meteorites
goes, if some of the academics had half as good an
understanding of meteorites as many of the list
members here, then they might have a case. As it is,
the meteorites get recovered, the true specialists get
their identification samples, the collectors get
theirs, the educators get theirs, etc... 

The only place where I do have a real problem is with
both the nom com and some dealers. The First Peoples
in the Americas often had names for major meteorites
which were later stolen during the conquest, and all
of this is often completely ignored or belittled by
those blinded by their lust for meteorites. 

good hunting all, 
E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas



      

From bobadebt at ec.rr.com  Wed May 14 16:44:40 2008
From: bobadebt at ec.rr.com (David & Kitt Deyarmin)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 16:44:40 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list]  A New Question
Message-ID: <012601c8b603$54f74ef0$832ab841@David>

Thanks for all the info on  the "ban"

From gmhupe at htn.net  Wed May 14 18:27:28 2008
From: gmhupe at htn.net (gmhupe at htn.net)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 18:27:28 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Impressive Auctions Ending - AD
Message-ID: <1c047fa1144e4b4d9075f18b0686c32d.gmhupe@htn.net>

Dear List Members,

Tomorrow (Thursday) I have 16 excellent, rare and intersting meteorite auctions ending. You will find larger specimens from the 
moon, Mars, asteroids and other cool places!! Unbelievably there are still a few at a "rock" bottom price of just 99 cents, 
excellent values will be had on the 15th, my birthday :-)

To see all of there beauties, please click here: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvaultQQfrppZ50QQfsopZ32QQfsooZ2QQrdZ0

Best regards,
Greg



From magic2u at earthlink.net  Wed May 14 19:18:53 2008
From: magic2u at earthlink.net (richard rumble)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 19:18:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Super Nova
Message-ID: <11595755.1210807133379.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net>




I need some clarification and information from some of the brighter of you here on the list.  I just read an article about the "newest" super nova in our galaxy... and the article says its about 140 years old.  Fine.. Im good with that..  The article then says that it is located near the center of the galaxy... ok.. Im good with the science of finding stuff thats out of visual site by using X-ray, Radio wave and other technologies.  My problem in understanding is that if it is near the CENTER of our Galaxy at 33,000 light years.. how can we have measured it at 140 years old?  Wouldn't the energy released from it travel at the speed of light take 33,000 years to arrive here?   Light.. or radio waves.. or gamma rays... don't they all move roughly at the speed of light.. ?


Just wondering..

Richard Rumble

From ks1u at att.net  Wed May 14 19:41:42 2008
From: ks1u at att.net (George Blahun Jr)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 19:41:42 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Super Nova
In-Reply-To: <11595755.1210807133379.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <11595755.1210807133379.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <096C0D36-2646-43B2-AE63-12946FDBBFC7@att.net>

Richard:
      What they discovered were the "remains" of a supernova whose  
supernova light reached us about 140 years ago.  The 140 year  
calculation was based on the area of expansion of the material around  
the remnant.  On average, we should experience about 3 supernovae per  
century, according to current estimates.  We have seen many supernovae  
in other galaxies, but until this "most current" one was discovered,  
the last one occurred in the mid 1600s about the time of Isaac  
Newton.  You are of course correct, the light which is currently  
hitting astronomers eyes has been traveling thousands of years.  I  
hope this clarifies, rather than confuses the issue.

George

From grf2 at verizon.net  Wed May 14 21:16:45 2008
From: grf2 at verizon.net (Jerry)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 21:16:45 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Super Nova
In-Reply-To: <11595755.1210807133379.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <11595755.1210807133379.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <9FC33C48F5824FFCA449DC0CEFA1F2CD@Notebook>

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/15/science/space/15supernova.html?ref=science
Jerry Flaherty
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "richard rumble" <magic2u at earthlink.net>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 7:18 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Super Nova


>
>
>
> I need some clarification and information from some of the brighter of you 
> here on the list.  I just read an article about the "newest" super nova in 
> our galaxy... and the article says its about 140 years old.  Fine.. Im 
> good with that..  The article then says that it is located near the center 
> of the galaxy... ok.. Im good with the science of finding stuff thats out 
> of visual site by using X-ray, Radio wave and other technologies.  My 
> problem in understanding is that if it is near the CENTER of our Galaxy at 
> 33,000 light years.. how can we have measured it at 140 years old? 
> Wouldn't the energy released from it travel at the speed of light take 
> 33,000 years to arrive here?   Light.. or radio waves.. or gamma rays... 
> don't they all move roughly at the speed of light.. ?
>
>
> Just wondering..
>
> Richard Rumble
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list 


From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Wed May 14 21:45:03 2008
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 18:45:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] looking for another nice taza
Message-ID: <733660.20378.qm@web57801.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hello list.I am looking for another nice taza individual.100 to 300 grams.I will do a part cash/part trade.I have something  you all might want in trade.Let me know off list.

Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!!  ???? The Asteroid Belt!  ??? http://chicagometeorites.net/  ??? Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999  ??? Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites


      

From lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu  Wed May 14 23:17:50 2008
From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu (lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 20:17:50 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Super Nova
In-Reply-To: <9FC33C48F5824FFCA449DC0CEFA1F2CD@Notebook>
References: <11595755.1210807133379.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<9FC33C48F5824FFCA449DC0CEFA1F2CD@Notebook>
Message-ID: <51165.71.226.60.25.1210821470.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu>

Hi All:

Thank you wikipedia.

Below is a link to a list of supernova remnants. There are several
"younger" supernovas, including the one seen by Tycho in 1572 (exploded
7500 years earlier than that). The 1054 supernova (crab nebula) was a
little closer and the one in 185 was even closer (too young to remember
that one). Thus these are all really younger than the one just detected
(if my math is good), it just too longer for the light to get here (but
was not observed as were the 1572, 1054, and 185 supernova.

Kepler's supernova in 1604 was seen, but much further away (so actually
exploded about 20,000 years ago). The latest one actually occured between
Kepler's and the others.


The Vela supernova may be the most recent being only about 1300 light
years away and it MAY have been seen 5000 years ago (or not; may have been
as much as 5000 or 6000 years earlier).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_supernova_remnants

Larry

On Wed, May 14, 2008 6:16 pm, Jerry wrote:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/15/science/space/15supernova.html?ref=scie
> nce Jerry Flaherty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "richard rumble" <magic2u at earthlink.net>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 7:18 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Super Nova
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> I need some clarification and information from some of the brighter of
>> you here on the list.  I just read an article about the "newest" super
>> nova in our galaxy... and the article says its about 140 years old.
>> Fine.. Im
>> good with that..  The article then says that it is located near the
>> center of the galaxy... ok.. Im good with the science of finding stuff
>> thats out of visual site by using X-ray, Radio wave and other
>> technologies.  My problem in understanding is that if it is near the
>> CENTER of our Galaxy at
>> 33,000 light years.. how can we have measured it at 140 years old?
>> Wouldn't the energy released from it travel at the speed of light take
>> 33,000 years to arrive here?   Light.. or radio waves.. or gamma rays...
>>  don't they all move roughly at the speed of light.. ?
>>
>>
>> Just wondering..
>>
>>
>> Richard Rumble
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
>
> ______________________________________________
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>



From rsvp321 at hotmail.com  Wed May 14 23:28:27 2008
From: rsvp321 at hotmail.com (Pete Pete)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 23:28:27 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Antarctic meteorites
In-Reply-To: <684429.97235.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <684429.97235.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY141-W3485230782B8A61888646AF8C90@phx.gbl>


Greetings E.P., and List,

While we're on this topic, a related question I've tried to answer myself, but have come up short with what I've read:

It is well documented that for many years the Eskimo/Inuit people were clever enough to make many tools from the metal chipped off the Cape York meteorite.

Considering all the wonderfully sharp edges covering the Willamette meteorite, is there any evidence, other than folklore, that this meteorite was appreciated by ancient peoples in a practical way? 
Any scratches in the metal that can be attributed to its worship? 
Any tools with metal originating from it?



Sincerely,
Pete




> Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 13:45:15 -0700
> From: epgrondine at yahoo.com
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Antarctic meteorites
>
> Hi Doug, all -
>
> "It is NOT about the meteorites and it NEVER was."
>
> That's pretty much it. Years ago everyone decided that
> they really didn't want to fight over the Antarctic's
> resources, and the meteorite rules are just an
> extension to that.
>
> Which leaves those with really rare specimens in a
> position to work out trades, providing they have the
> right contacts.
>
> As far as any acadmic exclusive claim to meteorites
> goes, if some of the academics had half as good an
> understanding of meteorites as many of the list
> members here, then they might have a case. As it is,
> the meteorites get recovered, the true specialists get
> their identification samples, the collectors get
> theirs, the educators get theirs, etc...
>
> The only place where I do have a real problem is with
> both the nom com and some dealers. The First Peoples
> in the Americas often had names for major meteorites
> which were later stolen during the conquest, and all
> of this is often completely ignored or belittled by
> those blinded by their lust for meteorites.
>
> good hunting all,
> E.P. Grondine
> Man and Impact in the Americas
>
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list

_________________________________________________________________


From info at meteorites.com.au  Wed May 14 23:30:23 2008
From: info at meteorites.com.au (Jeff Kuyken)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 13:30:23 +1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Major eBay Changes to Feedback
Message-ID: <A275DCD68FD94BAB96901CDF2CB72FF4@JeffPC>

G'day all,

It seems eBay Australia has been the test dummy for eBay's new feedback 
changes. From what I can tell, most eBay sites around the world will follow 
suit in the next week or so. I can't work out exactly how it works but my 
eBay feedback went from 125 to 339 overnight.

http://feedback.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=meteoritesaustralia

It seems that neutral comments will now count as a negative BUT I believe 
only the last 12months are counted in the feedback %. But the most major 
change is that sellers will now be unable to leave negative comments for 
buyers.

Does anyone know more about how the new system is going to work?

Cheers,

Jeff



From deanbessey at yahoo.com  Wed May 14 23:37:40 2008
From: deanbessey at yahoo.com (dean bessey)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 20:37:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Major eBay Changes to Feedback
In-Reply-To: <A275DCD68FD94BAB96901CDF2CB72FF4@JeffPC>
Message-ID: <527912.33978.qm@web56112.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

The reason your feedback score went up so much is because other users can leave you one feedback a week and it will count in your score.
Right now somebody can leave you 1 feedback a week over a year and it only counts once. After the changes this would increase your score by 52 after a year. Instead of a maximun of one feedback per user per lifetime it changes to one feedback per user per week.
Negative scores might immeadiately reduce also as if somebody is kicked off ebay their feedbacks will no longer count.
Cheers
DEAN


--- On Wed, 5/14/08, Jeff Kuyken <info at meteorites.com.au> wrote:

> From: Jeff Kuyken <info at meteorites.com.au>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Major eBay Changes to Feedback
> To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Wednesday, May 14, 2008, 8:30 PM
> G'day all,
> 
> It seems eBay Australia has been the test dummy for
> eBay's new feedback 
> changes. From what I can tell, most eBay sites around the
> world will follow 
> suit in the next week or so. I can't work out exactly
> how it works but my 
> eBay feedback went from 125 to 339 overnight.
> 
> http://feedback.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=meteoritesaustralia
> 
> It seems that neutral comments will now count as a negative
> BUT I believe 
> only the last 12months are counted in the feedback %. But
> the most major 
> change is that sellers will now be unable to leave negative
> comments for 
> buyers.
> 
> Does anyone know more about how the new system is going to
> work?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list


      

From pshugar at clearwire.net  Wed May 14 23:38:00 2008
From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 22:38:00 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw:  Super Nova
Message-ID: <000b01c8b63d$165ad150$0201a8c0@laptop>

See if this helps.
The leading edge of this 33000 year old event was detected 140 years ago so 
the event occured 32860 ago (from the first time it was seen). Today (after 
140 years have passed since the first detection of the event), the event is 
now 33000 years ago.
Does this help you understand the picture any better?
Pete
IMCA 1733

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu>
To: "Jerry" <grf2 at verizon.net>
Cc: "richard rumble" <magic2u at earthlink.net>; 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Super Nova


> Hi All:
>
> Thank you wikipedia.
>
> Below is a link to a list of supernova remnants. There are several
> "younger" supernovas, including the one seen by Tycho in 1572 (exploded
> 7500 years earlier than that). The 1054 supernova (crab nebula) was a
> little closer and the one in 185 was even closer (too young to remember
> that one). Thus these are all really younger than the one just detected
> (if my math is good), it just too longer for the light to get here (but
> was not observed as were the 1572, 1054, and 185 supernova.
>
> Kepler's supernova in 1604 was seen, but much further away (so actually
> exploded about 20,000 years ago). The latest one actually occured between
> Kepler's and the others.
>
>
> The Vela supernova may be the most recent being only about 1300 light
> years away and it MAY have been seen 5000 years ago (or not; may have been
> as much as 5000 or 6000 years earlier).
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_supernova_remnants
>
> Larry
>
> On Wed, May 14, 2008 6:16 pm, Jerry wrote:
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/15/science/space/15supernova.html?ref=scie
>> nce Jerry Flaherty
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "richard rumble" <magic2u at earthlink.net>
>> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 7:18 PM
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Super Nova
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I need some clarification and information from some of the brighter of
>>> you here on the list.  I just read an article about the "newest" super
>>> nova in our galaxy... and the article says its about 140 years old.
>>> Fine.. Im
>>> good with that..  The article then says that it is located near the
>>> center of the galaxy... ok.. Im good with the science of finding stuff
>>> thats out of visual site by using X-ray, Radio wave and other
>>> technologies.  My problem in understanding is that if it is near the
>>> CENTER of our Galaxy at
>>> 33,000 light years.. how can we have measured it at 140 years old?
>>> Wouldn't the energy released from it travel at the speed of light take
>>> 33,000 years to arrive here?   Light.. or radio waves.. or gamma rays...
>>>  don't they all move roughly at the speed of light.. ?
>>>
>>>
>>> Just wondering..
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard Rumble
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
>>
>
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> 


From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Thu May 15 00:52:44 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 21:52:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad: One cent ebay sale ending.
Message-ID: <168115.46092.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi everyone, I am still on the road, after a week of
meteorite hunting I have had a tough time, first with
food poisoning, then a severe back injury (spent hours
today in emergency room).
Needless to say, my meteorite hunting has been slowed
down and my finds on this trip, were all on the first
day.

Thursday I have more than 30 meteorites ending on
ebay, many at one cent still, and most still very
cheap. There are some really nice pieces, large
complete slices of Brenham and Muonionalusta, Lunar
meteorites, spheres, etc.
See them all at Paul's link (I will embed this code in
my website when I get home so this should be the last
time I use the page he built for me) Thanks again
Paul.

http://www.meteorite.com/farmer/


See the link above linking all of my auctions from
both of my ebay usernames. 


Michael Farmer

From pierremariepele at yahoo.fr  Thu May 15 09:38:43 2008
From: pierremariepele at yahoo.fr (=?iso-8859-1?q?Pel=E9=20Pierre-Marie?=)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 15:38:43 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Encyclopedia of Meteorites : ready to reach 1,
	000 members !
Message-ID: <542597.46821.qm@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Hello to the List,

I'm happy to announce that we are near 1,000 members
today (998 right now exactly).  So please 2 more to
reach this magical number !

I remind you the Encyclopedia of Meteorites is free
and displays all meteorites from the Meteoritical
Bulletin (including provisional ones), along with
pictures (14,000 right now). You can also manage your
meteorite collection on the website.

Best regards,

Pierre-Marie PELE
www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com

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From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Thu May 15 20:12:22 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 17:12:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA Considers Manned Asteroid Mission
Message-ID: <200805160012.RAA27549@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/may/07/starsgalaxiesandplanets.spaceexploration?gusrc=rss&feed=science  

Closer encounter: Nasa plans landing on 40m-wide asteroid travelling
at 28,000mph

Ian Sample 
The Guardian
May 7, 2008

It was once considered the most dangerous object in the universe,
heading for Earth with the explosive power of 84 Hiroshimas. Now an
asteroid called 2000SG344, a lump of rock barely the size of a large
yacht, is in the spotlight again, this time as a contender for the next
giant leap for mankind.

Nasa engineers have identified the 1.1m tonne asteroid, which in 2000
was given a significant chance of slamming into Earth, as a potential
landing site for astronauts, ahead of the Bush administration's plans to
venture deeper into the solar system with a crewed voyage to Mars.

The mission - the first to what officials call a Near Earth Object (NEO)
- is being floated within the US space agency as a crucial stepping
stone to future space exploration.

A report seen by the Guardian notes that by sending astronauts on a
three-month journey to the hurtling asteroid, scientists believe they
would learn more about the psychological effects of long-term missions
and the risks of working in deep space, and it would allow astronauts to
test kits to convert subsurface ice into drinking water, breathable
oxygen and even hydrogen to top up rocket fuel. All of which would be
invaluable before embarking on a two-year expedition to Mars.

Under the Bush administration, Nasa has been charged with sending
astronauts back to the moon, beginning in 2020 and culminating in a
permanent lunar outpost, itself a jumping off point for more distant
Mars missions. With the agency's ageing fleet of space shuttles due to
be retired soon after 2010, the agency has begun work on a replacement
called Orion and a series of Ares rockets that will blast them into orbit.

In a study due to be published next month, engineers at Nasa's Johnson
Space Centre in Houston and Ames Research Centre in California flesh out
plans to use Orion for a three to six month round-trip to the asteroid,
with astronauts spending a week or two on the rock's surface.

As well as giving space officials a taste of more complex missions,
samples taken from the rock could help scientists understand more about
the birth of the solar system and how best to defend against asteroids
that veer into Earth's path.

"An asteroid will one day be on a collision course with Earth. Doesn't
it make sense, after going to the moon, to start learning more about
them? Our study shows it makes perfect sense to do this soon after going
back to the moon," said Rob Landis, an engineer at Johnson Space Centre
and co-author of the report, which is due to be published in the journal
Acta Astronautica.

More precise measurements of the orbit of 2000SG344 have allayed fears
that it could hit Earth sometime around the end of September 2030, but
the asteroid is still expected to come close in astronomical terms.

The report lays out plans for a crew of two to rendezvous with a
speeding asteroid that is due to pass close by Earth. After a seven-week
outward journey, the Orion capsule would swing around and close in on
the rock.

Because gravity is close to zero on asteroids, the capsule would need to
attach itself, possibly by firing anchors into the surface. For the same
reason, astronauts would not be able to walk around on the surface as
they did on the moon. "On some of these asteroids, you could jump up and
go into orbit, or maybe even leave for good," said Landis.

A round trip to an asteroid could be done with less fuel than a moon
mission, but is technically very challenging. The asteroid is only 40
metres across and spins as it hurtles through space at 28,000mph.

Landis thinks that a trip to an asteroid could capture imaginations even
more than a return to our nearest celestial neighbour. "When we head
back to the moon, I think we'll see many of the same scenes we saw in
the 60s and 70s Apollo programme. We've been to the moon, we got that
T-shirt back in 1969. But whenever we've sent robotic probes to look at
asteroids, we've always been surprised at what we've seen," he said.

Because asteroids were forged in the earliest days of the solar system,
analysing samples from them could shed light on the conditions that
prevailed when the Earth was formed.

"Near Earth objects are a potential collision hazard to Earth and it may
one day be necessary to deflect an asteroid from a collision course with
Earth," said Ian Crawford, a planetary scientist at Birkbeck College,
London. "Having the capability in your back pocket to deflect an
asteroid might be a good insurance policy for the future, and for that,
you want to know what they are made of, how to rendezvous with them, and
whether you risk getting hit by debris if you fire something at it."


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Thu May 15 20:18:51 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 17:18:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - May 14, 2008
Message-ID: <200805160018.RAA00853@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES
May 14, 2008

o Wrinkle Ridge in Hesperia Planum
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_008082_1560

o Light-Toned Rocks Exposed inside Crater
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_008075_1590

o Meridiani Region Layers and Phyllosilicates
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_008060_1770

o Catastrophic Flood Channel of Ares Valles
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_007810_1885
   
All of the HiRISE images are archived here:

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/

Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is 
online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is 
managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division 
of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA 
Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed 
Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor 
and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the 
University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies 
Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument.

From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Thu May 15 21:05:33 2008
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 20:05:33 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA Considers Manned Asteroid Mission
References: <200805160012.RAA27549@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <15ca01c8b6f0$f1b47180$f729e146@ATARIENGINE>

    A grand scientific mission!
    Curiously inconsistent news story, like most news
stories. If the rock is a 40-meter diameter sphere, then
its volume is about 33,500 cubic meters, but if its mass
is 1.1 million metric tons, then its density is 32.8 times
that of water, denser than any known element. (The mass
appears to be "off" by about a factor of ten.)
    Maybe it's an asteroid from another universe?
    As for its worthiness as a target destination, a 40-meter
diameter sphere has a total surface area of just over 5000
square meters, equal to a square 70.7 meters (or 232 feet)
on a side. This is slightly more than one acre (which is
209 feet 4 inches square).
    There's about enough room to a) park the spacecraft,
b) put up a big popup tent, c) have a barbeque and picnic
table, and d) maybe, just maybe, a miniature golf course.
    A really small miniature golf course, but you know how
astronauts love to play golf.
    Try not to leave any beercans behind.


Sterling K. Webb
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/may/07/starsgalaxiesandplanets.spaceexploration?gusrc=rss&feed=science

Closer encounter: Nasa plans landing on 40m-wide asteroid travelling
at 28,000mph

Ian Sample
The Guardian
May 7, 2008

It was once considered the most dangerous object in the universe,
heading for Earth with the explosive power of 84 Hiroshimas. Now an
asteroid called 2000SG344, a lump of rock barely the size of a large
yacht, is in the spotlight again, this time as a contender for the next
giant leap for mankind.

Nasa engineers have identified the 1.1m tonne asteroid, which in 2000
was given a significant chance of slamming into Earth, as a potential
landing site for astronauts, ahead of the Bush administration's plans to
venture deeper into the solar system with a crewed voyage to Mars.

The mission - the first to what officials call a Near Earth Object (NEO)
- is being floated within the US space agency as a crucial stepping
stone to future space exploration.

A report seen by the Guardian notes that by sending astronauts on a
three-month journey to the hurtling asteroid, scientists believe they
would learn more about the psychological effects of long-term missions
and the risks of working in deep space, and it would allow astronauts to
test kits to convert subsurface ice into drinking water, breathable
oxygen and even hydrogen to top up rocket fuel. All of which would be
invaluable before embarking on a two-year expedition to Mars.

Under the Bush administration, Nasa has been charged with sending
astronauts back to the moon, beginning in 2020 and culminating in a
permanent lunar outpost, itself a jumping off point for more distant
Mars missions. With the agency's ageing fleet of space shuttles due to
be retired soon after 2010, the agency has begun work on a replacement
called Orion and a series of Ares rockets that will blast them into orbit.

In a study due to be published next month, engineers at Nasa's Johnson
Space Centre in Houston and Ames Research Centre in California flesh out
plans to use Orion for a three to six month round-trip to the asteroid,
with astronauts spending a week or two on the rock's surface.

As well as giving space officials a taste of more complex missions,
samples taken from the rock could help scientists understand more about
the birth of the solar system and how best to defend against asteroids
that veer into Earth's path.

"An asteroid will one day be on a collision course with Earth. Doesn't
it make sense, after going to the moon, to start learning more about
them? Our study shows it makes perfect sense to do this soon after going
back to the moon," said Rob Landis, an engineer at Johnson Space Centre
and co-author of the report, which is due to be published in the journal
Acta Astronautica.

More precise measurements of the orbit of 2000SG344 have allayed fears
that it could hit Earth sometime around the end of September 2030, but
the asteroid is still expected to come close in astronomical terms.

The report lays out plans for a crew of two to rendezvous with a
speeding asteroid that is due to pass close by Earth. After a seven-week
outward journey, the Orion capsule would swing around and close in on
the rock.

Because gravity is close to zero on asteroids, the capsule would need to
attach itself, possibly by firing anchors into the surface. For the same
reason, astronauts would not be able to walk around on the surface as
they did on the moon. "On some of these asteroids, you could jump up and
go into orbit, or maybe even leave for good," said Landis.

A round trip to an asteroid could be done with less fuel than a moon
mission, but is technically very challenging. The asteroid is only 40
metres across and spins as it hurtles through space at 28,000mph.

Landis thinks that a trip to an asteroid could capture imaginations even
more than a return to our nearest celestial neighbour. "When we head
back to the moon, I think we'll see many of the same scenes we saw in
the 60s and 70s Apollo programme. We've been to the moon, we got that
T-shirt back in 1969. But whenever we've sent robotic probes to look at
asteroids, we've always been surprised at what we've seen," he said.

Because asteroids were forged in the earliest days of the solar system,
analysing samples from them could shed light on the conditions that
prevailed when the Earth was formed.

"Near Earth objects are a potential collision hazard to Earth and it may
one day be necessary to deflect an asteroid from a collision course with
Earth," said Ian Crawford, a planetary scientist at Birkbeck College,
London. "Having the capability in your back pocket to deflect an
asteroid might be a good insurance policy for the future, and for that,
you want to know what they are made of, how to rendezvous with them, and
whether you risk getting hit by debris if you fire something at it."

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From bristolia at yahoo.com  Thu May 15 23:43:14 2008
From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 20:43:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] A New Question (Antarctic Politics)
Message-ID: <205563.81752.qm@web36204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Martin Altmann pondered:

?Besides... I have some ideas (sorry, happens from time
 to time):

Could it be also a reason for Antarctic meteorites never 
can't be traded, that according the Antarctic treaties, 
none of the governments involved in Antarctic hunts 
can't get ownership in these meteorites??

For a discussion of the politics of doing science in Antarctic, there
is a delightful article. It is:

Naylor, S., M. Siegert, K. Dean and s. Turchetti, 2008, Science, 
geopolitics and the governance of Antarctica. Nature Geoscience. 
vol. 1, no. 3, pp. 143 ? 145. doi:10.1038/ngeo138

http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v1/n3/index.html#fe

Yours,

Paul H.


      

From lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu  Thu May 15 23:56:51 2008
From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu (lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 20:56:51 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA Considers Manned Asteroid Mission
In-Reply-To: <15ca01c8b6f0$f1b47180$f729e146@ATARIENGINE>
References: <200805160012.RAA27549@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
	<15ca01c8b6f0$f1b47180$f729e146@ATARIENGINE>
Message-ID: <52869.71.226.60.25.1210910211.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu>

Hi Sterling and others:

Be careful how you set up your tent. If you assume similar densities (the
density of the asteroid is probably less), both gravity and escape
velocity go as 1/r (r=radius).

Therefore with a mean Earth radius of 6365 km (6,635,000 m) and the radius
of the asteroid of 20 m, the gravity of the asteroid is about:

20/6365000 or 1/320,000 of Earth

and the escape velocity would be about (11.2/320000 km/s)

0.035 m/s or 3.5 cm/s (think my math is correct; never quite sure at this
hour),

so look before you leap!

Larry

On Thu, May 15, 2008 6:05 pm, Sterling K. Webb wrote:
> A grand scientific mission!
> Curiously inconsistent news story, like most news
> stories. If the rock is a 40-meter diameter sphere, then its volume is
> about 33,500 cubic meters, but if its mass is 1.1 million metric tons,
> then its density is 32.8 times that of water, denser than any known
> element. (The mass appears to be "off" by about a factor of ten.) Maybe
> it's an asteroid from another universe? As for its worthiness as a target
> destination, a 40-meter diameter sphere has a total surface area of just
> over 5000 square meters, equal to a square 70.7 meters (or 232 feet) on a
> side. This is slightly more than one acre (which is 209 feet 4 inches
> square). There's about enough room to a) park the spacecraft,
> b) put up a big popup tent, c) have a barbeque and picnic table, and d)
> maybe, just maybe, a miniature golf course. A really small miniature golf
> course, but you know how astronauts love to play golf. Try not to leave any
> beercans behind.
>
>
> Sterling K. Webb
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Baalke" <baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
> To: "Meteorite Mailing List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 7:12 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA Considers Manned Asteroid Mission
>
>
>
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/may/07/starsgalaxiesandplanets.spa
> ceexploration?gusrc=rss&feed=science
>
> Closer encounter: Nasa plans landing on 40m-wide asteroid travelling
> at 28,000mph
>
> Ian Sample
> The Guardian
> May 7, 2008
>
>
> It was once considered the most dangerous object in the universe,
> heading for Earth with the explosive power of 84 Hiroshimas. Now an
> asteroid called 2000SG344, a lump of rock barely the size of a large
> yacht, is in the spotlight again, this time as a contender for the next
> giant leap for mankind.
>
> Nasa engineers have identified the 1.1m tonne asteroid, which in 2000
> was given a significant chance of slamming into Earth, as a potential
> landing site for astronauts, ahead of the Bush administration's plans to
> venture deeper into the solar system with a crewed voyage to Mars.
>
> The mission - the first to what officials call a Near Earth Object (NEO)
> - is being floated within the US space agency as a crucial stepping
> stone to future space exploration.
>
> A report seen by the Guardian notes that by sending astronauts on a
> three-month journey to the hurtling asteroid, scientists believe they would
> learn more about the psychological effects of long-term missions and the
> risks of working in deep space, and it would allow astronauts to test kits
> to convert subsurface ice into drinking water, breathable oxygen and even
> hydrogen to top up rocket fuel. All of which would be invaluable before
> embarking on a two-year expedition to Mars.
>
> Under the Bush administration, Nasa has been charged with sending
> astronauts back to the moon, beginning in 2020 and culminating in a
> permanent lunar outpost, itself a jumping off point for more distant Mars
> missions. With the agency's ageing fleet of space shuttles due to be
> retired soon after 2010, the agency has begun work on a replacement called
> Orion and a series of Ares rockets that will blast them into orbit.
>
>
> In a study due to be published next month, engineers at Nasa's Johnson
> Space Centre in Houston and Ames Research Centre in California flesh out
> plans to use Orion for a three to six month round-trip to the asteroid,
> with astronauts spending a week or two on the rock's surface.
>
> As well as giving space officials a taste of more complex missions,
> samples taken from the rock could help scientists understand more about the
> birth of the solar system and how best to defend against asteroids that
> veer into Earth's path.
>
> "An asteroid will one day be on a collision course with Earth. Doesn't
> it make sense, after going to the moon, to start learning more about them?
> Our study shows it makes perfect sense to do this soon after going
> back to the moon," said Rob Landis, an engineer at Johnson Space Centre and
> co-author of the report, which is due to be published in the journal Acta
> Astronautica.
>
>
> More precise measurements of the orbit of 2000SG344 have allayed fears
> that it could hit Earth sometime around the end of September 2030, but the
> asteroid is still expected to come close in astronomical terms.
>
> The report lays out plans for a crew of two to rendezvous with a
> speeding asteroid that is due to pass close by Earth. After a seven-week
> outward journey, the Orion capsule would swing around and close in on the
> rock.
>
> Because gravity is close to zero on asteroids, the capsule would need to
> attach itself, possibly by firing anchors into the surface. For the same
> reason, astronauts would not be able to walk around on the surface as they
> did on the moon. "On some of these asteroids, you could jump up and go
> into orbit, or maybe even leave for good," said Landis.
>
> A round trip to an asteroid could be done with less fuel than a moon
> mission, but is technically very challenging. The asteroid is only 40
> metres across and spins as it hurtles through space at 28,000mph.
>
> Landis thinks that a trip to an asteroid could capture imaginations even
> more than a return to our nearest celestial neighbour. "When we head back
> to the moon, I think we'll see many of the same scenes we saw in the 60s
> and 70s Apollo programme. We've been to the moon, we got that T-shirt back
> in 1969. But whenever we've sent robotic probes to look at asteroids,
> we've always been surprised at what we've seen," he said.
>
> Because asteroids were forged in the earliest days of the solar system,
> analysing samples from them could shed light on the conditions that
> prevailed when the Earth was formed.
>
> "Near Earth objects are a potential collision hazard to Earth and it may
> one day be necessary to deflect an asteroid from a collision course with
> Earth," said Ian Crawford, a planetary scientist at Birkbeck College,
> London. "Having the capability in your back pocket to deflect an
> asteroid might be a good insurance policy for the future, and for that, you
> want to know what they are made of, how to rendezvous with them, and
> whether you risk getting hit by debris if you fire something at it."
>
> ______________________________________________
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From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Fri May 16 03:57:35 2008
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 02:57:35 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA Considers Manned Asteroid Mission
References: <200805160012.RAA27549@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov><15ca01c8b6f0$f1b47180$f729e146@ATARIENGINE>
	<52869.71.226.60.25.1210910211.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu>
Message-ID: <15eb01c8b72a$81552710$f729e146@ATARIENGINE>

Hi, Larry, List,

My theory is that if you sleep on your back,
the exhaust velocity of your snoring is great
enough to keep you pinned to The Rock, safe
and sound. But... if you thrash around in that
loose micro-gee environment, you might end up
floating face-down and then the reaction thrust
of your breathing would keep you at the peak
of the tent! At least, you couldn't snore yourself
right off The Rock (no atmosphere).

Somewhere (I wish I could remember), I saw a
drawing of a post-and-cable network covering all of
a very small world, a network to which space workers
would attach their tethers with a clasp shaped like the
greek letter omega that would allow them to move freely
over the entire surface without any risk of "jumping
off" or accidentally achieving escape velocity. But the
materials would be heavy; the network would need to
be constructed on arrival; there would have to be some
compelling reason to bother. Is 2000 SG344 littered
with gold nuggets? Diamonds as big as cabbages?

I suspect astronauts would be tethered to the (soundly)
anchored spacecraft by 125+ meters of light cable on a
self-winding take-up reel. They could walk (or crawl or
bounce) completely around the "world" as far as their
own home base.

A useful tool would be a piton gun with a cable reel-up
to pull you down to the surface anywhere you fired it.
The problem would be "sticking" to this tiny world at all!
I am bulky enough that I never fear getting unstuck from
this world but on 2000 SG344 (I calculate) I would weigh
less than 1/3rd of a gram! (About as much as the active
ingredient in an aspirin tablet.)

You could wait for the gravity to pull you down. I tried
to calculate how long it would take you to fall ten meters
in this gee-field, but you're right -- it's too late for this
much math. The gravitational acceleration is 0.000030625
meters per second per second! My advice? Take a book
(or two) along to kill time while you "plummet" to the
ground.


Sterling K. Webb
-------------------------------------------------------------------
PS: Keep an eye out for a Little Prince...
-------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: <lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu>
To: "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: "Meteorite Mailing List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA Considers Manned Asteroid Mission


Hi Sterling and others:

Be careful how you set up your tent. If you assume similar densities (the
density of the asteroid is probably less), both gravity and escape
velocity go as 1/r (r=radius).

Therefore with a mean Earth radius of 6365 km (6,635,000 m) and the radius
of the asteroid of 20 m, the gravity of the asteroid is about:

20/6365000 or 1/320,000 of Earth

and the escape velocity would be about (11.2/320000 km/s)

0.035 m/s or 3.5 cm/s (think my math is correct; never quite sure at this
hour),

so look before you leap!

Larry

On Thu, May 15, 2008 6:05 pm, Sterling K. Webb wrote:
> A grand scientific mission!
> Curiously inconsistent news story, like most news
> stories. If the rock is a 40-meter diameter sphere, then its volume is
> about 33,500 cubic meters, but if its mass is 1.1 million metric tons,
> then its density is 32.8 times that of water, denser than any known
> element. (The mass appears to be "off" by about a factor of ten.) Maybe
> it's an asteroid from another universe? As for its worthiness as a target
> destination, a 40-meter diameter sphere has a total surface area of just
> over 5000 square meters, equal to a square 70.7 meters (or 232 feet) on a
> side. This is slightly more than one acre (which is 209 feet 4 inches
> square). There's about enough room to a) park the spacecraft,
> b) put up a big popup tent, c) have a barbeque and picnic table, and d)
> maybe, just maybe, a miniature golf course. A really small miniature golf
> course, but you know how astronauts love to play golf. Try not to leave 
> any
> beercans behind.
>
>
> Sterling K. Webb
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Baalke" <baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
> To: "Meteorite Mailing List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 7:12 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA Considers Manned Asteroid Mission
>
>
>
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/may/07/starsgalaxiesandplanets.spa
> ceexploration?gusrc=rss&feed=science
>
> Closer encounter: Nasa plans landing on 40m-wide asteroid travelling
> at 28,000mph
>
> Ian Sample
> The Guardian
> May 7, 2008
>
>
> It was once considered the most dangerous object in the universe,
> heading for Earth with the explosive power of 84 Hiroshimas. Now an
> asteroid called 2000SG344, a lump of rock barely the size of a large
> yacht, is in the spotlight again, this time as a contender for the next
> giant leap for mankind.
>
> Nasa engineers have identified the 1.1m tonne asteroid, which in 2000
> was given a significant chance of slamming into Earth, as a potential
> landing site for astronauts, ahead of the Bush administration's plans to
> venture deeper into the solar system with a crewed voyage to Mars.
>
> The mission - the first to what officials call a Near Earth Object (NEO)
> - is being floated within the US space agency as a crucial stepping
> stone to future space exploration.
>
> A report seen by the Guardian notes that by sending astronauts on a
> three-month journey to the hurtling asteroid, scientists believe they 
> would
> learn more about the psychological effects of long-term missions and the
> risks of working in deep space, and it would allow astronauts to test kits
> to convert subsurface ice into drinking water, breathable oxygen and even
> hydrogen to top up rocket fuel. All of which would be invaluable before
> embarking on a two-year expedition to Mars.
>
> Under the Bush administration, Nasa has been charged with sending
> astronauts back to the moon, beginning in 2020 and culminating in a
> permanent lunar outpost, itself a jumping off point for more distant Mars
> missions. With the agency's ageing fleet of space shuttles due to be
> retired soon after 2010, the agency has begun work on a replacement called
> Orion and a series of Ares rockets that will blast them into orbit.
>
>
> In a study due to be published next month, engineers at Nasa's Johnson
> Space Centre in Houston and Ames Research Centre in California flesh out
> plans to use Orion for a three to six month round-trip to the asteroid,
> with astronauts spending a week or two on the rock's surface.
>
> As well as giving space officials a taste of more complex missions,
> samples taken from the rock could help scientists understand more about 
> the
> birth of the solar system and how best to defend against asteroids that
> veer into Earth's path.
>
> "An asteroid will one day be on a collision course with Earth. Doesn't
> it make sense, after going to the moon, to start learning more about them?
> Our study shows it makes perfect sense to do this soon after going
> back to the moon," said Rob Landis, an engineer at Johnson Space Centre 
> and
> co-author of the report, which is due to be published in the journal Acta
> Astronautica.
>
>
> More precise measurements of the orbit of 2000SG344 have allayed fears
> that it could hit Earth sometime around the end of September 2030, but the
> asteroid is still expected to come close in astronomical terms.
>
> The report lays out plans for a crew of two to rendezvous with a
> speeding asteroid that is due to pass close by Earth. After a seven-week
> outward journey, the Orion capsule would swing around and close in on the
> rock.
>
> Because gravity is close to zero on asteroids, the capsule would need to
> attach itself, possibly by firing anchors into the surface. For the same
> reason, astronauts would not be able to walk around on the surface as they
> did on the moon. "On some of these asteroids, you could jump up and go
> into orbit, or maybe even leave for good," said Landis.
>
> A round trip to an asteroid could be done with less fuel than a moon
> mission, but is technically very challenging. The asteroid is only 40
> metres across and spins as it hurtles through space at 28,000mph.
>
> Landis thinks that a trip to an asteroid could capture imaginations even
> more than a return to our nearest celestial neighbour. "When we head back
> to the moon, I think we'll see many of the same scenes we saw in the 60s
> and 70s Apollo programme. We've been to the moon, we got that T-shirt back
> in 1969. But whenever we've sent robotic probes to look at asteroids,
> we've always been surprised at what we've seen," he said.
>
> Because asteroids were forged in the earliest days of the solar system,
> analysing samples from them could shed light on the conditions that
> prevailed when the Earth was formed.
>
> "Near Earth objects are a potential collision hazard to Earth and it may
> one day be necessary to deflect an asteroid from a collision course with
> Earth," said Ian Crawford, a planetary scientist at Birkbeck College,
> London. "Having the capability in your back pocket to deflect an
> asteroid might be a good insurance policy for the future, and for that, 
> you
> want to know what they are made of, how to rendezvous with them, and
> whether you risk getting hit by debris if you fire something at it."
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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From SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com  Fri May 16 06:12:29 2008
From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com (SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 06:12:29 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 16, 2008
Message-ID: <d01.2ed6d221.355eb80d@aol.com>


http://www.rocksfromspace.org/May_16_2008.html  




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From mlblood at cox.net  Fri May 16 06:52:43 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 03:52:43 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AZ Eucrite discovered (AD)
In-Reply-To: <d01.2ed6d221.355eb80d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C452B58B.16ACA%mlblood@cox.net>

Greetings all:
        In 1999 the only Eucrite ever found in Arizona
Was discovered in the area south of Tucson called
Arivaca. 
        As most of you know, it takes a great long while
For meteorites to be tested for typology, named and
recognized by The Meteoritical Society and to be
published in their Journal. The report on this unique
discovery can be reviewed at:

http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?sea=&sfor=names&ants=&falls=&stype
=contains&lrec=50&map=ge&browse=&country=All&srt=name&categ=All&mblist=94&ph
ot=&snew=0&pnt=no&code=47346
 
        The size of the specimen upon discovery was
30.1g. The testing and type specimen required 20% of the weight
and the finder took one thin slice for himself. This left
a specimen of 21.62 grams. The remaining main mass of this
Eucrite can be seen at:

http://image58.webshots.com/758/0/54/58/2402054580035542431UsoLVK_ph.jpg

        The provenance of this piece is impeccable, still being in the
Hands of the finder who wishes to remain anonymous at this time.
However, reasonable offers will be entertained through me and, if
Desired, his identity will be revealed to the buyer.

        Please contact me directly if interested - otherwise, just take
a gander at this completely unique Arizona Eucrite. This is history
In the making. 
        Best wishes, Michael






When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first
things to be bought and sold are legislators.
- P. J. O'Rourke






From lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu  Fri May 16 09:05:08 2008
From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu (lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 06:05:08 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA Considers Manned Asteroid Mission
In-Reply-To: <15eb01c8b72a$81552710$f729e146@ATARIENGINE>
References: <200805160012.RAA27549@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov><15ca01c8b6f0$f1b47180$f729e146@ATARIENGINE>
	<52869.71.226.60.25.1210910211.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu>
	<15eb01c8b72a$81552710$f729e146@ATARIENGINE>
Message-ID: <53267.71.226.60.25.1210943108.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu>

Hi Sterling:

Do not mean to rock your boat, but how do you fire the piton? "For every
action there is an equal and opposite reaction" (read that somewhere).
Firing the piton would send you off into space, even if you were in
"orbit" around the object.

Larry

On Fri, May 16, 2008 12:57 am, Sterling K. Webb wrote:
> Hi, Larry, List,
>
>
> My theory is that if you sleep on your back,
> the exhaust velocity of your snoring is great enough to keep you pinned to
> The Rock, safe
> and sound. But... if you thrash around in that loose micro-gee environment,
> you might end up floating face-down and then the reaction thrust of your
> breathing would keep you at the peak of the tent! At least, you couldn't
> snore yourself right off The Rock (no atmosphere).
>
> Somewhere (I wish I could remember), I saw a
> drawing of a post-and-cable network covering all of a very small world, a
> network to which space workers would attach their tethers with a clasp
> shaped like the greek letter omega that would allow them to move freely
> over the entire surface without any risk of "jumping off" or accidentally
> achieving escape velocity. But the materials would be heavy; the network
> would need to be constructed on arrival; there would have to be some
> compelling reason to bother. Is 2000 SG344 littered with gold nuggets?
> Diamonds as big as cabbages?
>
>
> I suspect astronauts would be tethered to the (soundly)
> anchored spacecraft by 125+ meters of light cable on a self-winding take-up
> reel. They could walk (or crawl or bounce) completely around the "world"
> as far as their own home base.
>
> A useful tool would be a piton gun with a cable reel-up
> to pull you down to the surface anywhere you fired it. The problem would be
> "sticking" to this tiny world at all!
> I am bulky enough that I never fear getting unstuck from
> this world but on 2000 SG344 (I calculate) I would weigh less than 1/3rd of
> a gram! (About as much as the active ingredient in an aspirin tablet.)
>
> You could wait for the gravity to pull you down. I tried
> to calculate how long it would take you to fall ten meters in this
> gee-field, but you're right -- it's too late for this much math. The
> gravitational acceleration is 0.000030625 meters per second per second! My
> advice? Take a book (or two) along to kill time while you "plummet" to the
>  ground.
>
>
> Sterling K. Webb
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> PS: Keep an eye out for a Little Prince...
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu>
> To: "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: "Meteorite Mailing List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 10:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA Considers Manned Asteroid Mission
>
>
>
> Hi Sterling and others:
>
>
> Be careful how you set up your tent. If you assume similar densities (the
>  density of the asteroid is probably less), both gravity and escape
> velocity go as 1/r (r=radius).
>
> Therefore with a mean Earth radius of 6365 km (6,635,000 m) and the
> radius of the asteroid of 20 m, the gravity of the asteroid is about:
>
> 20/6365000 or 1/320,000 of Earth
>
>
> and the escape velocity would be about (11.2/320000 km/s)
>
> 0.035 m/s or 3.5 cm/s (think my math is correct; never quite sure at this
>  hour),
>
> so look before you leap!
>
> Larry
>
>
> On Thu, May 15, 2008 6:05 pm, Sterling K. Webb wrote:
>
>> A grand scientific mission!
>> Curiously inconsistent news story, like most news
>> stories. If the rock is a 40-meter diameter sphere, then its volume is
>> about 33,500 cubic meters, but if its mass is 1.1 million metric tons,
>> then its density is 32.8 times that of water, denser than any known
>> element. (The mass appears to be "off" by about a factor of ten.) Maybe
>>  it's an asteroid from another universe? As for its worthiness as a
>> target destination, a 40-meter diameter sphere has a total surface area
>> of just over 5000 square meters, equal to a square 70.7 meters (or 232
>> feet) on a side. This is slightly more than one acre (which is 209 feet
>> 4 inches
>> square). There's about enough room to a) park the spacecraft, b) put up a
>> big popup tent, c) have a barbeque and picnic table, and d) maybe, just
>> maybe, a miniature golf course. A really small miniature golf course,
>> but you know how astronauts love to play golf. Try not to leave any
>> beercans behind.
>>
>>
>> Sterling K. Webb
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> --
>> -
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ron Baalke" <baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
>> To: "Meteorite Mailing List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 7:12 PM
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA Considers Manned Asteroid Mission
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/may/07/starsgalaxiesandplanets.s
>> pa ceexploration?gusrc=rss&feed=science
>>
>> Closer encounter: Nasa plans landing on 40m-wide asteroid travelling
>> at 28,000mph
>>
>> Ian Sample
>> The Guardian
>> May 7, 2008
>>
>>
>>
>> It was once considered the most dangerous object in the universe,
>> heading for Earth with the explosive power of 84 Hiroshimas. Now an
>> asteroid called 2000SG344, a lump of rock barely the size of a large
>> yacht, is in the spotlight again, this time as a contender for the next
>>  giant leap for mankind.
>>
>> Nasa engineers have identified the 1.1m tonne asteroid, which in 2000
>> was given a significant chance of slamming into Earth, as a potential
>> landing site for astronauts, ahead of the Bush administration's plans
>> to venture deeper into the solar system with a crewed voyage to Mars.
>>
>> The mission - the first to what officials call a Near Earth Object
>> (NEO)
>> - is being floated within the US space agency as a crucial stepping
>> stone to future space exploration.
>>
>> A report seen by the Guardian notes that by sending astronauts on a
>> three-month journey to the hurtling asteroid, scientists believe they
>> would learn more about the psychological effects of long-term missions
>> and the risks of working in deep space, and it would allow astronauts to
>> test kits to convert subsurface ice into drinking water, breathable
>> oxygen and even hydrogen to top up rocket fuel. All of which would be
>> invaluable before embarking on a two-year expedition to Mars.
>>
>> Under the Bush administration, Nasa has been charged with sending
>> astronauts back to the moon, beginning in 2020 and culminating in a
>> permanent lunar outpost, itself a jumping off point for more distant
>> Mars
>> missions. With the agency's ageing fleet of space shuttles due to be
>> retired soon after 2010, the agency has begun work on a replacement
>> called Orion and a series of Ares rockets that will blast them into
>> orbit.
>>
>>
>> In a study due to be published next month, engineers at Nasa's Johnson
>> Space Centre in Houston and Ames Research Centre in California flesh out
>>  plans to use Orion for a three to six month round-trip to the
>> asteroid, with astronauts spending a week or two on the rock's surface.
>>
>> As well as giving space officials a taste of more complex missions,
>> samples taken from the rock could help scientists understand more about
>> the birth of the solar system and how best to defend against asteroids
>> that veer into Earth's path.
>>
>> "An asteroid will one day be on a collision course with Earth. Doesn't
>> it make sense, after going to the moon, to start learning more about
>> them? Our study shows it makes perfect sense to do this soon after going
>>  back to the moon," said Rob Landis, an engineer at Johnson Space
>> Centre
>> and co-author of the report, which is due to be published in the journal
>> Acta
>> Astronautica.
>>
>>
>>
>> More precise measurements of the orbit of 2000SG344 have allayed fears
>> that it could hit Earth sometime around the end of September 2030, but
>> the asteroid is still expected to come close in astronomical terms.
>>
>> The report lays out plans for a crew of two to rendezvous with a
>> speeding asteroid that is due to pass close by Earth. After a seven-week
>>  outward journey, the Orion capsule would swing around and close in on
>> the rock.
>>
>> Because gravity is close to zero on asteroids, the capsule would need
>> to attach itself, possibly by firing anchors into the surface. For the
>> same reason, astronauts would not be able to walk around on the surface
>> as they did on the moon. "On some of these asteroids, you could jump up
>> and go into orbit, or maybe even leave for good," said Landis.
>>
>> A round trip to an asteroid could be done with less fuel than a moon
>> mission, but is technically very challenging. The asteroid is only 40
>> metres across and spins as it hurtles through space at 28,000mph.
>>
>> Landis thinks that a trip to an asteroid could capture imaginations
>> even more than a return to our nearest celestial neighbour. "When we
>> head back to the moon, I think we'll see many of the same scenes we saw
>> in the 60s and 70s Apollo programme. We've been to the moon, we got that
>> T-shirt back
>> in 1969. But whenever we've sent robotic probes to look at asteroids,
>> we've always been surprised at what we've seen," he said.
>>
>> Because asteroids were forged in the earliest days of the solar system,
>>  analysing samples from them could shed light on the conditions that
>> prevailed when the Earth was formed.
>>
>> "Near Earth objects are a potential collision hazard to Earth and it
>> may one day be necessary to deflect an asteroid from a collision course
>> with Earth," said Ian Crawford, a planetary scientist at Birkbeck
>> College,
>> London. "Having the capability in your back pocket to deflect an
>> asteroid might be a good insurance policy for the future, and for that,
>> you want to know what they are made of, how to rendezvous with them, and
>>  whether you risk getting hit by debris if you fire something at it."
>>
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From clp at alumni.caltech.edu  Fri May 16 09:53:43 2008
From: clp at alumni.caltech.edu (Chris Peterson)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 07:53:43 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA Considers Manned Asteroid Mission
References: <200805160012.RAA27549@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov><15ca01c8b6f0$f1b47180$f729e146@ATARIENGINE><52869.71.226.60.25.1210910211.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu><15eb01c8b72a$81552710$f729e146@ATARIENGINE>
	<53267.71.226.60.25.1210943108.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu>
Message-ID: <02e801c8b75c$41d71cb0$40c611ac@SIRIUS>

Firing a piton doesn't need to push YOU in the opposite direction, it just 
has to push SOMETHING. Momentum needs to be conserved, and there are many 
tools made that manage that without transferring momentum to the operator. 
Some guns, for example, especially some military ones. But the master in 
this area is NASA, with many of their space-based servicing tools.

Making a reactionless (from the operator's standpoint) piton setter sounds 
pretty easy. But you'd probably have a gas exhaust vent on its back (or even 
a dummy mass port), so you'd need to be careful where you stood when using 
it!

Chris
________________________________
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http://www.cloudbait.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu>
To: "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 7:05 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA Considers Manned Asteroid Mission


> Hi Sterling:
>
> Do not mean to rock your boat, but how do you fire the piton? "For every
> action there is an equal and opposite reaction" (read that somewhere).
> Firing the piton would send you off into space, even if you were in
> "orbit" around the object.


From psc2410xi at yahoo.com  Fri May 16 10:23:38 2008
From: psc2410xi at yahoo.com (Don Rawlings)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 07:23:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 16,
	2008
In-Reply-To: <d01.2ed6d221.355eb80d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <806411.62780.qm@web59314.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

A campo with an impact crater?   I don't think so.

Don

--- SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com wrote:

> 
> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/May_16_2008.html  
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From meteoritefinder at gmail.com  Fri May 16 10:27:00 2008
From: meteoritefinder at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 07:27:00 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 16,
	2008
In-Reply-To: <806411.62780.qm@web59314.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <d01.2ed6d221.355eb80d@aol.com>
	<806411.62780.qm@web59314.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <468bf6050805160727m1db4c8afw7a7001d3891d9c3e@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Don why not? I think I have one also here is a link.
http://www.meteoritefinder.com/collection/campo-204-2.htm

On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 7:23 AM, Don Rawlings <psc2410xi at yahoo.com> wrote:
> A campo with an impact crater?   I don't think so.
>
> Don
>
> --- SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com wrote:
>
>>
>> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/May_16_2008.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight?
>> Get new twists on family
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From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Fri May 16 10:31:39 2008
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 07:31:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Manned mission to asteroid
Message-ID: <623689.41771.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi all - 

NASA is in a curious disconnect. The Congress told
NASA to find everything down to 140 m, and the NASA
Administrator told them he did not want to. Normally,
he'd have been fired already, but given the general
situation, it has not happened - yet.

In NASA science, comets don't hit, which is also
simply nonsense.

THE place to build the best asteroid and comet
detectors is the surface of the Moon, and for 50-75 m
carbonaceous chondrites (dead comet chunks as dark as
charcoal) it is the only practical detection location,
in my opinion, and the opinion of the NASA engineers
at Langley. Moon based telescopes would also provide 6
months more warning of Long Period Comets coming in.

But it is very important to the manned Mars
enthusiasts who run NASA and who are NASA's main
support that the public knows nothing of this. 

In the meantime, the public views spending $100
billion to fly a few men to Mars as something of a
waste of money.

In the meantime, China's manned Moon program is
focused on this like a laser.

What's wrong with this picture? 

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas








      

From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Fri May 16 11:25:43 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 08:25:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 16,
	2008
In-Reply-To: <468bf6050805160727m1db4c8afw7a7001d3891d9c3e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <365707.66906.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Why are those impact craters and not just regmaglypts?
The Sikhote-Alin craters are well defined, perfectly
round, raised rims, etc, these Campo craters in these
photos appear to be nothing more than single larger
regmaglypts.
Mike
--- Mike Miller <meteoritefinder at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Don why not? I think I have one also here is a
> link.
>
http://www.meteoritefinder.com/collection/campo-204-2.htm
> 
> On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 7:23 AM, Don Rawlings
> <psc2410xi at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > A campo with an impact crater?   I don't think so.
> >
> > Don
> >
> > --- SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/May_16_2008.html
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> **************Wondering what's for Dinner
> Tonight?
> >> Get new twists on family
> >> favorites at AOL Food.
> >>
> >
>
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> >
> > Don Rawlings
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From meteoritefinder at gmail.com  Fri May 16 11:30:22 2008
From: meteoritefinder at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 08:30:22 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 16,
	2008
In-Reply-To: <365707.66906.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <468bf6050805160727m1db4c8afw7a7001d3891d9c3e@mail.gmail.com>
	<365707.66906.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <468bf6050805160830h7615928an7e2db5b3b2798b37@mail.gmail.com>

I have always thought the crater was less defined because the Camo has
gone through quite a bit of terrestrial weathering. So you will not
see a perfect crater like we see in the Sikhote Alin. We will only see
the weathered remnants.

On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 8:25 AM, Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Why are those impact craters and not just regmaglypts?
> The Sikhote-Alin craters are well defined, perfectly
> round, raised rims, etc, these Campo craters in these
> photos appear to be nothing more than single larger
> regmaglypts.
> Mike
> --- Mike Miller <meteoritefinder at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Don why not? I think I have one also here is a
>> link.
>>
> http://www.meteoritefinder.com/collection/campo-204-2.htm
>>
>> On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 7:23 AM, Don Rawlings
>> <psc2410xi at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > A campo with an impact crater?   I don't think so.
>> >
>> > Don
>> >
>> > --- SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/May_16_2008.html
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> **************Wondering what's for Dinner
>> Tonight?
>> >> Get new twists on family
>> >> favorites at AOL Food.
>> >>
>> >
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>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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From Mark at mor-designs.com  Fri May 16 13:55:24 2008
From: Mark at mor-designs.com (Mark Abbott)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 12:55:24 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 16,
 2008
In-Reply-To: <468bf6050805160830h7615928an7e2db5b3b2798b37@mail.gmail.com>
References: <468bf6050805160727m1db4c8afw7a7001d3891d9c3e@mail.gmail.com>	<365707.66906.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<468bf6050805160830h7615928an7e2db5b3b2798b37@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <482DCA8C.9040201@mor-designs.com>

It could also be the remnant of where a troilite nodule was.

Mark Abbott

Mike Miller wrote:
> I have always thought the crater was less defined because the Camo has
> gone through quite a bit of terrestrial weathering. So you will not
> see a perfect crater like we see in the Sikhote Alin. We will only see
> the weathered remnants.
>
> On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 8:25 AM, Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com> wrote:
>   
>> Why are those impact craters and not just regmaglypts?
>> The Sikhote-Alin craters are well defined, perfectly
>> round, raised rims, etc, these Campo craters in these
>> photos appear to be nothing more than single larger
>> regmaglypts.
>> Mike
>> --- Mike Miller <meteoritefinder at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Hi Don why not? I think I have one also here is a
>>> link.
>>>
>>>       
>> http://www.meteoritefinder.com/collection/campo-204-2.htm
>>     
>>> On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 7:23 AM, Don Rawlings
>>> <psc2410xi at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>       
>>>> A campo with an impact crater?   I don't think so.
>>>>
>>>> Don
>>>>
>>>> --- SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/May_16_2008.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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From entropydave at ntlworld.com  Fri May 16 15:42:28 2008
From: entropydave at ntlworld.com (Dave Harris)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 20:42:28 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] penny just dropped...
Message-ID: <021901c8b78c$fa664550$020aa8c0@pitstoppc>

Hi
I am sure I saw some reference on the list about these Nantan thinn sections 
that appear on Fleabay.
Having just got a polarizing scope I just realised that they can either be 
ruut t/s or completely opaque as Fe and sulphides are opaque to the standard 
30 micron thickness, and would be a bit dull anyway - expecially looking at 
rust!
How funny - shows I learnt SOMETHING already about mineral optics

Cordially yours

dave
IMCA #0092
Sec.BIMS.
www.bimsociety.org


From bobadebt at ec.rr.com  Fri May 16 17:23:36 2008
From: bobadebt at ec.rr.com (David & Kitt Deyarmin)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 17:23:36 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Libyan Glass End Cuts & Fragments For Sale
Message-ID: <00ef01c8b79b$1a615760$832ab841@David>

I have a variety of Libyan Glass pieces available for sale

You can see a picture by clicking this:

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p298/BobaDebt/Fragments-1.jpg


The 161 gram piece has a single cut flat surface and I'm asking $161 for it

The 77 & 55 gram pieces have 2 cut surfaces on the back and one of them is 
at a 2" radius, I am asking 75 cents per gram for theses pieces.

The 7 & 12 gram pieces have a slight radius cut on the back but it isn't 
very noticeable so I'm asking $1 per gram for these

The pile of chips in the center have multiple cut surfaces, I will take $40 
for the whole lot

I also have a 32mm sphere which weighs 40 grams that I am selling for $150, 
it beautiful and I will post pictures of it and my 50mm sphere later.


If your interested in anything please contact me off list at bobadebt at 
ec.rr.com

Thanks 


From magic2u at earthlink.net  Fri May 16 17:30:33 2008
From: magic2u at earthlink.net (richard rumble)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 17:30:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Super Nova
Message-ID: <27506877.1210973433011.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net>



Thank you for all your kind information.....  Seems that the media I was reading wrote in a very confusing manner...  and implied that the actual super nova happened 140 years ago... and was at or near the center of the galaxy.  As opposed to the way it actually is... Super Nova happens 33,000 years ago..( give or take a few thousand light years....)  and just NOW, ( 140 years ago) comes to light as the information reaches our little tiny part of the Galaxy



Richard

From mlblood at cox.net  Fri May 16 17:40:34 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 14:40:34 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] working AZ Eucrite photo link
In-Reply-To: <482DCA8C.9040201@mor-designs.com>
Message-ID: <C4534D62.16B11%mlblood@cox.net>

I am informed the photo link I sent on the AZ Eucrite did
Not work. Please try this one and click on small image for
Larger one:

http://community.webshots.com/album/563438972

Anyone still having trouble is welcome to contact me directly
And I will email an attached JPG to you.
        Best wishes, Michael






From mark at meteorites.cc  Fri May 16 18:03:22 2008
From: mark at meteorites.cc (Mark Crawford)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 23:03:22 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] working AZ Eucrite photo link
In-Reply-To: <C4534D62.16B11%mlblood@cox.net>
References: <C4534D62.16B11%mlblood@cox.net>
Message-ID: <482E04AA.7040709@meteorites.cc>

Very purty! :)

Michael L Blood wrote:
> I am informed the photo link I sent on the AZ Eucrite did
> Not work. Please try this one and click on small image for
> Larger one:
>
>   

-- 
Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc


From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Fri May 16 19:28:32 2008
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 18:28:32 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA Considers Manned Asteroid Mission
References: <200805160012.RAA27549@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov><15ca01c8b6f0$f1b47180$f729e146@ATARIENGINE>
	<52869.71.226.60.25.1210910211.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu>
	<15eb01c8b72a$81552710$f729e146@ATARIENGINE>
	<53267.71.226.60.25.1210943108.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu>
Message-ID: <163e01c8b7ac$8ebc9280$f729e146@ATARIENGINE>

The piton gun is a combination of two existing
devices: the harpoon gun and the nautical line-
throwing gun.

The harpoon gun was invented in 1870. Here's a
picture (whale lovers, cover your eyes):
http://www.arcticwebsite.com/WhaleHarpGun.html
The device would need to be miniaturized for use on
an asteroid of course, but that was done in 1938:
http://www.jamd.com/search?assettype=g&assetid=3167157&text=harpoon+gun

The line-throwing gun is used to heave a line hundreds
of feet, usually from ship to ship. Line-throwing
guns have a less lethal projectile than a piton since
lines are shot toward other ships. Often they throw
a light lead line which is then attached to a heavier
line to be hauled over.

The piton would be barbed and possibly multi-
pointed. Test it in asteroidal simulation soil and
rock, I guess. The piton is attached to a cable fed
from a free reel. When the piton anchors, the user
powers up the reel and reels himself in toward The
Rock. The basic device exists, and has, for several
centuries. Here's one:
http://www.navalcompany.com/
and another brand:
http://www.hawills.com/lineguns.html
and here's an old one:
http://www.kahnfineantiques.com/index.cfm?ImgId=1294

I suggestion we subcontract the Piton Gun to the
Japanese, the only engineers that design, construct,
and contiune to "improve" the harpoon gun. Nah!
Why reward them? James Bond used a Piton Gun
(Man With The Golden Gun, 1974). Batman uses
them all the time, although I have been unable to find
his source for such ordinance online. Bond got his
from Q.

As for that nasty rumor about equal and opposite
reactions, I suggest the piton be self-propelled by a
solid-fuel rocket cartridge and launched from an open
tube like a bazooka. You could be less dramatic and
use a high-pressure gas jet. [After landing. you set up
a gas condenser in the shadows and pass your internal
atmosphere through it, recovering water and CO2 as
solids, then use your solidified exhalent CO2 as "fuel"
in propellent cartridges. "In space -- no waste" is our
motto, or will be once we stop making weekend visits
and get serious.]


Sterling K. Webb
----------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu>
To: "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; "Larry Lebofsky" 
<lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu>
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA Considers Manned Asteroid Mission


Hi Sterling:

Do not mean to rock your boat, but how do you fire the piton? "For every
action there is an equal and opposite reaction" (read that somewhere).
Firing the piton would send you off into space, even if you were in
"orbit" around the object.

Larry

On Fri, May 16, 2008 12:57 am, Sterling K. Webb wrote:
> Hi, Larry, List,
>
>
> My theory is that if you sleep on your back,
> the exhaust velocity of your snoring is great enough to keep you pinned to
> The Rock, safe
> and sound. But... if you thrash around in that loose micro-gee 
> environment,
> you might end up floating face-down and then the reaction thrust of your
> breathing would keep you at the peak of the tent! At least, you couldn't
> snore yourself right off The Rock (no atmosphere).
>
> Somewhere (I wish I could remember), I saw a
> drawing of a post-and-cable network covering all of a very small world, a
> network to which space workers would attach their tethers with a clasp
> shaped like the greek letter omega that would allow them to move freely
> over the entire surface without any risk of "jumping off" or accidentally
> achieving escape velocity. But the materials would be heavy; the network
> would need to be constructed on arrival; there would have to be some
> compelling reason to bother. Is 2000 SG344 littered with gold nuggets?
> Diamonds as big as cabbages?
>
>
> I suspect astronauts would be tethered to the (soundly)
> anchored spacecraft by 125+ meters of light cable on a self-winding 
> take-up
> reel. They could walk (or crawl or bounce) completely around the "world"
> as far as their own home base.
>
> A useful tool would be a piton gun with a cable reel-up
> to pull you down to the surface anywhere you fired it. The problem would 
> be
> "sticking" to this tiny world at all!
> I am bulky enough that I never fear getting unstuck from
> this world but on 2000 SG344 (I calculate) I would weigh less than 1/3rd 
> of
> a gram! (About as much as the active ingredient in an aspirin tablet.)
>
> You could wait for the gravity to pull you down. I tried
> to calculate how long it would take you to fall ten meters in this
> gee-field, but you're right -- it's too late for this much math. The
> gravitational acceleration is 0.000030625 meters per second per second! My
> advice? Take a book (or two) along to kill time while you "plummet" to the
>  ground.
>
>
> Sterling K. Webb
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> PS: Keep an eye out for a Little Prince...
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu>
> To: "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: "Meteorite Mailing List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 10:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA Considers Manned Asteroid Mission
>
>
>
> Hi Sterling and others:
>
>
> Be careful how you set up your tent. If you assume similar densities (the
>  density of the asteroid is probably less), both gravity and escape
> velocity go as 1/r (r=radius).
>
> Therefore with a mean Earth radius of 6365 km (6,635,000 m) and the
> radius of the asteroid of 20 m, the gravity of the asteroid is about:
>
> 20/6365000 or 1/320,000 of Earth
>
>
> and the escape velocity would be about (11.2/320000 km/s)
>
> 0.035 m/s or 3.5 cm/s (think my math is correct; never quite sure at this
>  hour),
>
> so look before you leap!
>
> Larry
>
>
> On Thu, May 15, 2008 6:05 pm, Sterling K. Webb wrote:
>
>> A grand scientific mission!
>> Curiously inconsistent news story, like most news
>> stories. If the rock is a 40-meter diameter sphere, then its volume is
>> about 33,500 cubic meters, but if its mass is 1.1 million metric tons,
>> then its density is 32.8 times that of water, denser than any known
>> element. (The mass appears to be "off" by about a factor of ten.) Maybe
>>  it's an asteroid from another universe? As for its worthiness as a
>> target destination, a 40-meter diameter sphere has a total surface area
>> of just over 5000 square meters, equal to a square 70.7 meters (or 232
>> feet) on a side. This is slightly more than one acre (which is 209 feet
>> 4 inches
>> square). There's about enough room to a) park the spacecraft, b) put up a
>> big popup tent, c) have a barbeque and picnic table, and d) maybe, just
>> maybe, a miniature golf course. A really small miniature golf course,
>> but you know how astronauts love to play golf. Try not to leave any
>> beercans behind.
>>
>>
>> Sterling K. Webb
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> --
>> -
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ron Baalke" <baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
>> To: "Meteorite Mailing List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 7:12 PM
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA Considers Manned Asteroid Mission
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/may/07/starsgalaxiesandplanets.s
>> pa ceexploration?gusrc=rss&feed=science
>>
>> Closer encounter: Nasa plans landing on 40m-wide asteroid travelling
>> at 28,000mph
>>
>> Ian Sample
>> The Guardian
>> May 7, 2008
>>
>>
>>
>> It was once considered the most dangerous object in the universe,
>> heading for Earth with the explosive power of 84 Hiroshimas. Now an
>> asteroid called 2000SG344, a lump of rock barely the size of a large
>> yacht, is in the spotlight again, this time as a contender for the next
>>  giant leap for mankind.
>>
>> Nasa engineers have identified the 1.1m tonne asteroid, which in 2000
>> was given a significant chance of slamming into Earth, as a potential
>> landing site for astronauts, ahead of the Bush administration's plans
>> to venture deeper into the solar system with a crewed voyage to Mars.
>>
>> The mission - the first to what officials call a Near Earth Object
>> (NEO)
>> - is being floated within the US space agency as a crucial stepping
>> stone to future space exploration.
>>
>> A report seen by the Guardian notes that by sending astronauts on a
>> three-month journey to the hurtling asteroid, scientists believe they
>> would learn more about the psychological effects of long-term missions
>> and the risks of working in deep space, and it would allow astronauts to
>> test kits to convert subsurface ice into drinking water, breathable
>> oxygen and even hydrogen to top up rocket fuel. All of which would be
>> invaluable before embarking on a two-year expedition to Mars.
>>
>> Under the Bush administration, Nasa has been charged with sending
>> astronauts back to the moon, beginning in 2020 and culminating in a
>> permanent lunar outpost, itself a jumping off point for more distant
>> Mars
>> missions. With the agency's ageing fleet of space shuttles due to be
>> retired soon after 2010, the agency has begun work on a replacement
>> called Orion and a series of Ares rockets that will blast them into
>> orbit.
>>
>>
>> In a study due to be published next month, engineers at Nasa's Johnson
>> Space Centre in Houston and Ames Research Centre in California flesh out
>>  plans to use Orion for a three to six month round-trip to the
>> asteroid, with astronauts spending a week or two on the rock's surface.
>>
>> As well as giving space officials a taste of more complex missions,
>> samples taken from the rock could help scientists understand more about
>> the birth of the solar system and how best to defend against asteroids
>> that veer into Earth's path.
>>
>> "An asteroid will one day be on a collision course with Earth. Doesn't
>> it make sense, after going to the moon, to start learning more about
>> them? Our study shows it makes perfect sense to do this soon after going
>>  back to the moon," said Rob Landis, an engineer at Johnson Space
>> Centre
>> and co-author of the report, which is due to be published in the journal
>> Acta
>> Astronautica.
>>
>>
>>
>> More precise measurements of the orbit of 2000SG344 have allayed fears
>> that it could hit Earth sometime around the end of September 2030, but
>> the asteroid is still expected to come close in astronomical terms.
>>
>> The report lays out plans for a crew of two to rendezvous with a
>> speeding asteroid that is due to pass close by Earth. After a seven-week
>>  outward journey, the Orion capsule would swing around and close in on
>> the rock.
>>
>> Because gravity is close to zero on asteroids, the capsule would need
>> to attach itself, possibly by firing anchors into the surface. For the
>> same reason, astronauts would not be able to walk around on the surface
>> as they did on the moon. "On some of these asteroids, you could jump up
>> and go into orbit, or maybe even leave for good," said Landis.
>>
>> A round trip to an asteroid could be done with less fuel than a moon
>> mission, but is technically very challenging. The asteroid is only 40
>> metres across and spins as it hurtles through space at 28,000mph.
>>
>> Landis thinks that a trip to an asteroid could capture imaginations
>> even more than a return to our nearest celestial neighbour. "When we
>> head back to the moon, I think we'll see many of the same scenes we saw
>> in the 60s and 70s Apollo programme. We've been to the moon, we got that
>> T-shirt back
>> in 1969. But whenever we've sent robotic probes to look at asteroids,
>> we've always been surprised at what we've seen," he said.
>>
>> Because asteroids were forged in the earliest days of the solar system,
>>  analysing samples from them could shed light on the conditions that
>> prevailed when the Earth was formed.
>>
>> "Near Earth objects are a potential collision hazard to Earth and it
>> may one day be necessary to deflect an asteroid from a collision course
>> with Earth," said Ian Crawford, a planetary scientist at Birkbeck
>> College,
>> London. "Having the capability in your back pocket to deflect an
>> asteroid might be a good insurance policy for the future, and for that,
>> you want to know what they are made of, how to rendezvous with them, and
>>  whether you risk getting hit by debris if you fire something at it."
>>
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From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Fri May 16 22:04:22 2008
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 19:04:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] titolar individuals
Message-ID: <608026.29175.qm@web57812.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi list.I am looking for some nicely crusted TITOLAR pieces.Please let me know if you have any.300 grams or bigger.Thanks and offlist please.

Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!!  ???? The Asteroid Belt!  ??? http://chicagometeorites.net/  ??? Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999  ??? Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites


      

From mstreman53 at yahoo.com  Fri May 16 22:19:29 2008
From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 19:19:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 16,
	2008
In-Reply-To: <482DCA8C.9040201@mor-designs.com>
Message-ID: <925881.13670.qm@web55210.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Troilite was my first thought as well.  Mike's example is more believable given the raised rim. But the owner of the meteorite in question is a long time collector and should have the experience to make the call.  Both examples appear to lack detail within the depression to determine for certain by visual inspection.

Elton


--- On Fri, 5/16/08, Mark Abbott <Mark at mor-designs.com> wrote:
It could also be the remnant of where a troilite nodule was.

From bobadebt at ec.rr.com  Fri May 16 22:55:38 2008
From: bobadebt at ec.rr.com (David & Kitt Deyarmin)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 22:55:38 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Presenting my 50mm Libyan Glass Sphere
Message-ID: <003d01c8b7c9$7c910f10$832ab841@David>

I just received this today:


http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p298/BobaDebt/Meteorites/Spheres/017LibyanGlassBB.jpg

This is the 17th sphere in my collection and  I'm extremely pleased with the 
way it turned out.

The photo does not truly capture the translucency and depth of this sphere.

If you want to check out the rest of my collection click this :

http://home.ec.rr.com/bobadebt/50mil.htm

Thanks 


From mexicodoug at aim.com  Sat May 17 00:22:33 2008
From: mexicodoug at aim.com (mexicodoug at aim.com)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 00:22:33 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Presenting my 50mm Libyan Glass Sphere
In-Reply-To: <003d01c8b7c9$7c910f10$832ab841@David>
References: <003d01c8b7c9$7c910f10$832ab841@David>
Message-ID: <8CA85ECC0DAB957-1458-204F@Webmail-mg09.sim.aol.com>

Hi David, Listees, friends,

WOW!

OK, I can't resist :-)

The 8-ball was impressive in the indochinite, now the #1-ball
in LDG, and the irons are striped, and with this 17th ball you've
got over a complete whole billiards set.

I think it is time to invite over the Dutchess of Doom for a game;
I'm sure she'd go:
http://www.allisonfisher.com/WallAFClassicBlack.jpg

Besides she's in NC, though being English she'd know how
to handle the 50mm size.

If not, it could be interesting, to invite Jasmin of Klagenfurt, too ;)
http://www.jasmin-ouschan.com/images/media/Presseartikel/presse1.jpg
Glad your sharing,
Best wishes,

I'd love to see that LDG sphere with a reddish, low Sun doubly 
refracted behind?

Doug (ok, now I'm really gone *poof*)

-----Original Message-----
From: David & Kitt Deyarmin <bobadebt at ec.rr.com>
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Fri, 16 May 2008 10:55 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] Presenting my 50mm Libyan Glass Sphere


I just received this today:?
?
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p298/BobaDebt/Meteorites/Spheres/017LibyanGlassBB.jpg?
?
This is the 17th sphere in my collection and I'm extremely pleased with 
the way it turned out.?
?
The photo does not truly capture the translucency and depth of this 
sphere.?
?
If you want to check out the rest of my collection click this :?
?
http://home.ec.rr.com/bobadebt/50mil.htm?
?
Thanks ?
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From moni2555 at hotmail.com  Sat May 17 00:47:42 2008
From: moni2555 at hotmail.com (Moni Waiblinger)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 21:47:42 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Costa Mesa Show
In-Reply-To: <8CA85ECC0DAB957-1458-204F@Webmail-mg09.sim.aol.com>
References: <003d01c8b7c9$7c910f10$832ab841@David>
	<8CA85ECC0DAB957-1458-204F@Webmail-mg09.sim.aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY104-W810950CB7B1F21557C98BCDCB0@phx.gbl>


Hi All,

don't forget the 

West Coast Gem & Mineral Show (Spring), Costa Mesa, CA

http://www.mzexpos.com/westcoast_spring.htm

is on this weekend.

Meteorites always present!

Anyone wandering out there?

Nick Gessler, Rob Matson, Jason and ?

Let me know when you will be there.

With best regards,
Moni


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From SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com  Sat May 17 10:38:34 2008
From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com (SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 10:38:34 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 17, 2008
Message-ID: <bd5.2e59cefb.356047ea@aol.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/May_17_2008.html

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From mexicodoug at aim.com  Sat May 17 14:24:41 2008
From: mexicodoug at aim.com (mexicodoug at aim.com)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 14:24:41 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Super photo, looks real !
Message-ID: <8CA866268996762-FD4-3168@FWM-M03.sysops.aol.com>

http://www.birdwalking.ca/pblog/

Best wishes

From clp at alumni.caltech.edu  Sat May 17 14:36:14 2008
From: clp at alumni.caltech.edu (Chris Peterson)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 12:36:14 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Super photo, looks real !
References: <8CA866268996762-FD4-3168@FWM-M03.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <01e201c8b84c$eae3c4c0$0a01a8c0@bellatrix>

Sounds fishy to me. The description of the event makes it sound like a 
fireball, but this seems far too dim, and (apparently) too low in the 
sky for a fireball that would produce sound. What the image really looks 
like is a jet contrail in the sunset. I've had dozens of these sent to 
me as "fireballs".

Chris

*****************************************
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Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <mexicodoug at aim.com>
To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 12:24 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Super photo, looks real !


> http://www.birdwalking.ca/pblog/


From gessler at ucla.edu  Sat May 17 15:54:31 2008
From: gessler at ucla.edu (Nicholas Gessler)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 12:54:31 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Costa Mesa Show
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-W810950CB7B1F21557C98BCDCB0@phx.gbl>
References: <003d01c8b7c9$7c910f10$832ab841@David>
	<8CA85ECC0DAB957-1458-204F@Webmail-mg09.sim.aol.com>
	<BAY104-W810950CB7B1F21557C98BCDCB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080517125408.06a38bd8@ucla.edu>

Maybe Sunday...
Nick

At 09:47 PM 5/16/2008, Moni Waiblinger wrote:

>Hi All,
>
>don't forget the
>
>West Coast Gem & Mineral Show (Spring), Costa Mesa, CA
>
>http://www.mzexpos.com/westcoast_spring.htm
>
>is on this weekend.
>
>Meteorites always present!
>
>Anyone wandering out there?
>
>Nick Gessler, Rob Matson, Jason and ?
>
>Let me know when you will be there.
>
>With best regards,
>Moni
>
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>Give to a good cause with every e-mail. Join the i'm Initiative from 
>Microsoft.
>http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?souce=EML_WL_ GoodCause
>______________________________________________
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From pshugar at clearwire.net  Sat May 17 20:02:51 2008
From: pshugar at clearwire.net (pshugar at clearwire.net)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 20:02:51 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20080517200251.20oidb6j34gkg4ws@email.clearwire.net>

Greetings list,
Is it just me, or what?????
How does one get a reply from Michael Johnson, rocksfromspace, guy?
I've sent about 5 over the past month or so only to get no reply to any of
them?
Maybe I didn't get the secret handshake right when I joined IMCA so he won't
answer. 
Whatever it is, I'd just like an answer to my email. 
Pete IMCA 1733

From pshugar at clearwire.net  Sat May 17 20:20:50 2008
From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 19:20:50 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] test
Message-ID: <001401c8b87d$07f775e0$0201a8c0@laptop>

please disregard

From bristolia at yahoo.com  Sat May 17 20:32:21 2008
From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 17:32:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] penny just dropped - Reflected Light
	Petrography
Message-ID: <386826.68528.qm@web36203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dave Harris wrote:

>I am sure I saw some reference on the list about 
>these Nantan thin sections that appear on Fleabay.
>Having just got a polarizing scope I just realised 
>that they can either be ruut t/s or completely 
>opaque as Fe and sulphides are opaque to the 
>standard 30 micron thickness, and would be a 
>bit dull anyway - expecially looking at rust!
>How funny - shows I learnt SOMETHING already 
>about mineral optics

There are petrographic microscopes, which use reflected polarized light to 
conduct petrographic analysis of opaque minerals in polished thin sections. 
To take advantage of reflected light petrography, the thin sections usually 
have to be polished.

Determination of opaque minerals in reflected light microscopy
http://www.unige.ch/sciences/terre/mineral/fontbote/opaques/opaques_properties.html

Ore Petrology and Phase Equilibria
http://www.agu.org/revgeophys/mckibb01/node11.html

Ore (Petrographic) Microscopes 
http://www.oremicroscopes.com/

Trinocular Ore Polarizing Petrographic Microscope 
http://usbmicroscopes.biz/usb-microscope/trinocular-ore-polarizing-petrographic-microscope/

A couple of books:

Ore Microscopy and Ore Petrography by James R.  Craig and David J. 
Vaughan (1994), ISBN:0471551759

Atlas of the Textural Patterns of Ore Minerals and Metallogenic 
Processes by S. S. Augustithis (1995) ISBN:3110136392

Bunch, T. E. and A. M. Reid, 1975, The Nakhlites. I - Petrography and mineral 
chemistry. Meteoritics. vol. 10, pp. 303-315, pp. 317-324.

Yours, 

Paul H.



      

From grf2 at verizon.net  Sat May 17 20:50:00 2008
From: grf2 at verizon.net (Jerry)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 20:50:00 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Super photo, looks real !
In-Reply-To: <8CA866268996762-FD4-3168@FWM-M03.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CA866268996762-FD4-3168@FWM-M03.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <B9D07789F1A143AA8AA4C6CC0FFB4B5F@Notebook>

SURE DOES!!
Jerry Flaherty
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <mexicodoug at aim.com>
To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 2:24 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Super photo, looks real !


> http://www.birdwalking.ca/pblog/
> 
> Best wishes
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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From pshugar at clearwire.net  Sat May 17 20:59:42 2008
From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 19:59:42 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] re meteor photo
Message-ID: <000701c8b882$7658f5e0$0201a8c0@laptop>

If you magnify the photo to extreem closeup, you do NOTsee the 2 seperate 
contrails from the engines on each side of the wing which most people can 
see with the unaided eye. What you see in this photo is a single trail.
This speaks more to a meteor streak than a jet contrail.
Pete


SURE DOES!!
Jerry Flaherty
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <mexicodoug at aim.com>
To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 2:24 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Super photo, looks real !


> http://www.birdwalking.ca/pblog/
>
> Best wishes
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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From paul at meteorite.com  Sat May 17 22:12:46 2008
From: paul at meteorite.com (Paul Harris)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 19:12:46 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] re meteor photo
In-Reply-To: <000701c8b882$7658f5e0$0201a8c0@laptop>
References: <000701c8b882$7658f5e0$0201a8c0@laptop>
Message-ID: <482F909E.2030202@meteorite.com>

Hello Everyone,

I took Pete's idea of doing a closeup and then did some image processing 
as shown in the links below.

 From the images it appears to have a less dense area right behind the 
head. Like viewing the Ring Nebula where the edges appear more dense 
than the middle.

If an object is of sufficient size, shouldn't it produce an open channel 
right behind it for a short length?
And, would a jet engine also be able to create this channel? (I don't 
have a clue...)

Image 1 - Convert to B/W then Inverted
http://www.meteorite.com/met_or_con1.jpg

Image 2 - Emboss of above image
http://www.meteorite.com/met_or_con2.jpg

Thanks!

Paul


Pete Shugar wrote:
> If you magnify the photo to extreem closeup, you do NOTsee the 2 
> seperate contrails from the engines on each side of the wing which 
> most people can see with the unaided eye. What you see in this photo 
> is a single trail.
> This speaks more to a meteor streak than a jet contrail.
> Pete
>
>
> SURE DOES!!
> Jerry Flaherty
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <mexicodoug at aim.com>
> To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 2:24 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Super photo, looks real !
>
>
>> http://www.birdwalking.ca/pblog/
>>
>> Best wishes
>> ______________________________________________
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From eric at meteoritewatch.com  Sat May 17 23:43:01 2008
From: eric at meteoritewatch.com (Eric Wichman)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 20:43:01 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: My chondrule is BIGGER than yours.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.44.1211040044.14438.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
References: <mailman.44.1211040044.14438.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <482FA5C5.5090808@meteoritewatch.com>

Hi All,

Want something fun related to meteorites? I was a bit bored, and figured 
what the heck!

Here ya go...

http://cgi.ebay.com/Special-2g-48-Chondrules-NWA-XXX-Meteorite-MUSA_W0QQitemZ250249271362

If you like chondrules, you're gonna love this!

Regards,
Eric Wichman
www.MeteoritesUSA.com - Meteorites For Sale
www.MeteoriteWatch.com - Meteorite Community Site
www.BitsOfEarth.com - Minerals and Meteorites


From info at meteorites.com.au  Sun May 18 01:02:41 2008
From: info at meteorites.com.au (Jeff Kuyken)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 15:02:41 +1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Super photo, looks real !
In-Reply-To: <01e201c8b84c$eae3c4c0$0a01a8c0@bellatrix>
References: <8CA866268996762-FD4-3168@FWM-M03.sysops.aol.com>
	<01e201c8b84c$eae3c4c0$0a01a8c0@bellatrix>
Message-ID: <ACE2B926D416476092AB0B13D49CC3BA@JeffPC>

I agree Chris. This is almost certainly a contrail. I remember seeing a huge 
fireball one night and even in the dark, the large smoke trail was clearly 
visible. Contrails don't tend to show this like a fireball does.

Cheers,

Jeff


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Peterson" <clp at alumni.caltech.edu>
To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 4:36 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Super photo, looks real !


> Sounds fishy to me. The description of the event makes it sound like a 
> fireball, but this seems far too dim, and (apparently) too low in the sky 
> for a fireball that would produce sound. What the image really looks like 
> is a jet contrail in the sunset. I've had dozens of these sent to me as 
> "fireballs".
>
> Chris
>
> *****************************************
> Chris L Peterson
> Cloudbait Observatory
> http://www.cloudbait.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <mexicodoug at aim.com>
> To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 12:24 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Super photo, looks real !
>
>
>> http://www.birdwalking.ca/pblog/
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
> 


From paul at meteorite.com  Sun May 18 02:10:35 2008
From: paul at meteorite.com (Paul Harris)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 23:10:35 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] re meteor photo
In-Reply-To: <482F909E.2030202@meteorite.com>
References: <000701c8b882$7658f5e0$0201a8c0@laptop>
	<482F909E.2030202@meteorite.com>
Message-ID: <482FC85B.8020100@meteorite.com>

Hi Jeff and Chris,

My vote is for a jet contrail too.  I think my images show the jets 2 
contrails quickly merging into one before evaporating. I should also not 
reply to emails while watching Meteor Crater on the History Channel...

http://www.birdwalking.ca/pblog/  <--original image

http://www.meteorite.com/met_or_con1.jpg
http://www.meteorite.com/met_or_con2.jpg

Paul




Paul Harris wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I took Pete's idea of doing a closeup and then did some image 
> processing as shown in the links below.
>
> From the images it appears to have a less dense area right behind the 
> head. Like viewing the Ring Nebula where the edges appear more dense 
> than the middle.
>
> If an object is of sufficient size, shouldn't it produce an open 
> channel right behind it for a short length?
> And, would a jet engine also be able to create this channel? (I don't 
> have a clue...)
>
> Image 1 - Convert to B/W then Inverted
> http://www.meteorite.com/met_or_con1.jpg
>
> Image 2 - Emboss of above image
> http://www.meteorite.com/met_or_con2.jpg
>
> Thanks!
>
> Paul



From MoritzKarl at t-online.de  Sun May 18 06:23:32 2008
From: MoritzKarl at t-online.de (MoritzKarl at t-online.de)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 12:23:32 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: ebay auctions ending in 8 hours
Message-ID: <1Jxg3A-1T6gee0@fwd29.aul.t-online.de>

Hi List,

I have 10 ebay auctions ending in about 8 hours.
These auctions include:

- beautiful 3.12 gram slice of Dar al Gani 400 - started at just a penny
without reserve
- a partslice of Barwell
- a nice etched slice of Ahumada
- a fragment of Carancas
- historical Orgueil

And some more goodies are up for grabs.
All auctions were started at just a penny.
You can see my auctions here:

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmeteoriten

or here on my website (hit refresh (F5) if you can't see the auctions:

http://www.m3t3orites.com/ebay.php

Thank you for looking.
Regards

Moritz Karl
visit mo's meteorites at
http://www.m3t3orites.com
Germany



From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Sun May 18 08:25:28 2008
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 05:25:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 18, 2008
Message-ID: <990494.2400451211113528158.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>


http://www.rocksfromspace.org/May_18_2008.html
 



From rsvp321 at hotmail.com  Sun May 18 09:43:09 2008
From: rsvp321 at hotmail.com (Pete Pete)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 09:43:09 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: My chondrule is BIGGER than yours.
In-Reply-To: <482FA5C5.5090808@meteoritewatch.com>
References: <mailman.44.1211040044.14438.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
	<482FA5C5.5090808@meteoritewatch.com>
Message-ID: <BAY141-W51F5D38A190BF52F86CD1BF8CA0@phx.gbl>



Hi, Eric,

Of course you realise that you have started down the obsessive-compulsive path - looking for big chondrules, and will soon start digging into ALL your meteorites...

("nice and big...bigger...BIGGER! Dig. DIG!" [maniacal guttural chortle])

Cheers,
Pete

PS I aint no shrink, so there is hope




> Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 20:43:01 -0700
> From: eric at meteoritewatch.com
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: My chondrule is BIGGER than yours.
>
> Hi All,
>
> Want something fun related to meteorites? I was a bit bored, and figured
> what the heck!
>
> Here ya go...
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Special-2g-48-Chondrules-NWA-XXX-Meteorite-MUSA_W0QQitemZ250249271362
>
> If you like chondrules, you're gonna love this!
>
> Regards,
> Eric Wichman
> www.MeteoritesUSA.com - Meteorites For Sale
> www.MeteoriteWatch.com - Meteorite Community Site
> www.BitsOfEarth.com - Minerals and Meteorites
>
> ______________________________________________
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> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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From fuzzfoot at comcast.net  Sun May 18 16:31:51 2008
From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 13:31:51 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - New Specimens Added: Colony!
Message-ID: <20080518203204.8204210563@mailwash5.pair.com>

http://astro-artifacts.com/Astroartifacts/Meteorite_Sale.html

This week's featured meteorite is one of the most unequilibrated CO
meteorites ever found: Colony, Oklahoma (CO3.0). Other additions include my
last two pieces of Waltman, last piece of Indian Valley, and a nice larger
crusted fragment of Weston.

Thank you for looking! 

Kind regards,
?
Mike Bandli
www.Astro-Artifacts.com
IMCA #5765
?




From bobadebt at ec.rr.com  Sun May 18 17:25:16 2008
From: bobadebt at ec.rr.com (David & Kitt Deyarmin)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 17:25:16 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] This would have been an AWESOME Picture
Message-ID: <001e01c8b92d$aaec5120$832ab841@David>

If the Guang Dong Tektite Sphere had shown up better :(

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p298/BobaDebt/Collection10.jpg

From bobadebt at ec.rr.com  Sun May 18 20:40:33 2008
From: bobadebt at ec.rr.com (David & Kitt Deyarmin)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 20:40:33 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Web Site Update & A Big Thank You
Message-ID: <016d01c8b948$f5899ec0$832ab841@David>

I just updated the home page of my web site.

I made a few changes to the text format & moved some images around.


Earlier I posted a topic about an image that would have looked great on my 
site but I couldn't get one of the spheres to look right.

 Paul Harris contacted me and offered to fix it and his work was amazing.  I 
liked it so much it's the first image you see when the page loads.

I would just like to publicly thank him for making that image look great. I 
offered to credit him on my site but he wasn't worried about it.

If you would like to check out my site click this: 
http://home.ec.rr.com/bobadebt/50mil.htm 


From bolidechaser at yahoo.com  Sun May 18 20:56:25 2008
From: bolidechaser at yahoo.com (Robert Verish)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 17:56:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD:  Relisted - LA shergottite saw-cuttings
Message-ID: <621181.13442.qm@web51710.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hello All,

Not sure what went wrong but several months after I
mailed out some specimens of the LA shergottite, those
packages were sent back to me as "Return to Sender" by
 overseas customs.

As a result of these specimens now being available 
(and a few more additional fragments), I am reposting
my Los Angeles meteorite "saw-cuttings" offer:

<http://marzmeteorite.tripod.com/saw-cuttings/la-saw.htm>

Contact me off-list if you still don't have a specimen
of this noteworthy Mars rock in your collection.

Hope you enjoy the images,
Bob V.
<http://marzmeteorite.tripod.com/index.html>

------------ Original Message --------------

[meteorite-list] Bob Verish's LA 002 Basaltic
Shergottite

bernd . pauli
Tue, 29 Jan 2008 10:09:14 -0800

Hello Bob, List and Lovers of Martians ;-)

Wow, when I came home from school today, I found the
package with my two LA002 micros - #6 and #12 - on the
kitchen table. See here because it is a "must see" and
because a few small pieces are still
available if you are quick:

http://marzmeteorite.tripod.com/saw-cuttings/la-saw.htm

When I saw Bob's LA002 offer, I was immediately
fascinated and captivated by specimens #6 and #12
because of that gorgeous maskelynite "crystal" you 
can see in the photo and because of that shock-induced
melt pocket.

When I looked at the two tiny Martians under the
microscope, I noticed the images were a bit blurred. 
Oh well, ...I was so excited when I put the two pieces

under my microscope that I had forgotten to remove the
protective plastic lens cover 
from the objective lens :-(

After removing that protective cover, the LA002
Martians revealed their true glory
and I can tell you the pictures on Bob's website don't
do these treasures justice!

Not only does #6 have *one* maskelynite crystal, 
it is graced all over with 
glassy,
limpid maskelynite. Breathtaking view!

The shock-induced melt pocket in #12 (probably type 2*
and measuring ca. 2.5 x 2.5 mm)
is jet-black, vesicular, bubbly and looks very much
like Australasian tektite glass or
like compact bubbly, frothy glass from the Ries
Crater, Germany (locality: Zipplingen).

* Reference:

WALTON E.L.et al.(2002) Mineralogy and microtextures 
of melt pockets in the Los Angeles basaltic 
shergottite (MAPS 37-7, 2002, p. A146).

I don't have to tell you how glad and how lucky I feel
about being able to add these two Martian beauties to
my collection. Thank you, Bob, thanks a lot!

Best wishes,
Bernd

______________________________________________


From moni2555 at hotmail.com  Mon May 19 00:52:59 2008
From: moni2555 at hotmail.com (Moni Waiblinger)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 21:52:59 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Web Site Update & A Big Thank You
In-Reply-To: <016d01c8b948$f5899ec0$832ab841@David>
References: <016d01c8b948$f5899ec0$832ab841@David>
Message-ID: <BAY104-W50CB18A6560BECDFD90941CDC50@phx.gbl>


Good evening All,

this is an awesome collection!
What a wonderful feeling you must have of this accomplishment creating the spheres.
I love the new Libyan Glass one!

I am happy that your image turned out so much better.
Paul Harris does nice work!
I must admit!  :-)

With best regards,
Moni


> From: bobadebt at ec.rr.com
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 20:40:33 -0400
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Web Site Update & A Big Thank You
>
> I just updated the home page of my web site.
>
> I made a few changes to the text format & moved some images around.
>
>
> Earlier I posted a topic about an image that would have looked great on my
> site but I couldn't get one of the spheres to look right.
>
> Paul Harris contacted me and offered to fix it and his work was amazing. I
> liked it so much it's the first image you see when the page loads.
>
> I would just like to publicly thank him for making that image look great. I
> offered to credit him on my site but he wasn't worried about it.
>
> If you would like to check out my site click this:
> http://home.ec.rr.com/bobadebt/50mil.htm

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From bobadebt at ec.rr.com  Mon May 19 01:13:57 2008
From: bobadebt at ec.rr.com (David & Kitt Deyarmin)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 01:13:57 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Web Site Update & A Big Thank You
References: <016d01c8b948$f5899ec0$832ab841@David>
	<BAY104-W50CB18A6560BECDFD90941CDC50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <006901c8b96f$2423e620$832ab841@David>

Thank you very much for the kind words

I know some of you may not like my collection, but you have to admit it is 
shaping up to be very unique.

When I started this collection in May of 2006 I never dreamed I would get 
many of the specimens I have such as the Brahin, the Graphite Nodule and the 
Libyan Glass.

It wasn't a matter of money, I knew if I really wanted something I could 
save up enough, I just doubted that I could find material large enough to 
produce 50mm spheres.

Now, here it is 2 years later and I have most of the specimens I never 
thought I would have.  The only one left on my original list is a Sikhote 
Alin but I know it will be along time before I can afford to add that one to 
the shelf.

I'm extremely excited about what the next year will bring but I don't have 
high expectations, I think I'll be lucky to add 2-3 new spheres to my 
collection.

I'm looking hard for an L-5 (preferably a Ghubrua) , an H-4 and H-6, and a 
Zag (H3-H6).

If anyone has some material they think would make a nice sphere contact me 
off list at bobadebt at ec.rr.com and we can discuss the options.

Thanks


-------------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Moni Waiblinger
To: David & Kitt Deyarmin ; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 12:52 AM
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Web Site Update & A Big Thank You



Good evening All,

this is an awesome collection!
What a wonderful feeling you must have of this accomplishment creating the 
spheres.
I love the new Libyan Glass one!

I am happy that your image turned out so much better.
Paul Harris does nice work!
I must admit!  :-)

With best regards,
Moni


> From: bobadebt at ec.rr.com
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 20:40:33 -0400
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Web Site Update & A Big Thank You
>
> I just updated the home page of my web site.
>
> I made a few changes to the text format & moved some images around.
>
>
> Earlier I posted a topic about an image that would have looked great on my
> site but I couldn't get one of the spheres to look right.
>
> Paul Harris contacted me and offered to fix it and his work was amazing. I
> liked it so much it's the first image you see when the page loads.
>
> I would just like to publicly thank him for making that image look great. 
> I
> offered to credit him on my site but he wasn't worried about it.
>
> If you would like to check out my site click this:
> http://home.ec.rr.com/bobadebt/50mil.htm

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From paul at meteorite.com  Mon May 19 01:31:32 2008
From: paul at meteorite.com (Paul Harris)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 22:31:32 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Web Site Update & A Big Thank You
In-Reply-To: <006901c8b96f$2423e620$832ab841@David>
References: <016d01c8b948$f5899ec0$832ab841@David>	<BAY104-W50CB18A6560BECDFD90941CDC50@phx.gbl>
	<006901c8b96f$2423e620$832ab841@David>
Message-ID: <483110B4.4000109@meteorite.com>

One of things I find very interesting (besides the 3 dimensional beauty) 
is the density comparisons that can be done because being 50mm spheres, 
all of the specimens have the exact same volume. Very cool!

Paul



David & Kitt Deyarmin wrote:
> Thank you very much for the kind words
>
> I know some of you may not like my collection, but you have to admit 
> it is shaping up to be very unique.
>
> When I started this collection in May of 2006 I never dreamed I would 
> get many of the specimens I have such as the Brahin, the Graphite 
> Nodule and the Libyan Glass.
>
> It wasn't a matter of money, I knew if I really wanted something I 
> could save up enough, I just doubted that I could find material large 
> enough to produce 50mm spheres.
>
> Now, here it is 2 years later and I have most of the specimens I never 
> thought I would have.  The only one left on my original list is a 
> Sikhote Alin but I know it will be along time before I can afford to 
> add that one to the shelf.
>
> I'm extremely excited about what the next year will bring but I don't 
> have high expectations, I think I'll be lucky to add 2-3 new spheres 
> to my collection.
>
> I'm looking hard for an L-5 (preferably a Ghubrua) , an H-4 and H-6, 
> and a Zag (H3-H6).
>
> If anyone has some material they think would make a nice sphere 
> contact me off list at bobadebt at ec.rr.com and we can discuss the 
> options.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message ----- From: Moni Waiblinger
> To: David & Kitt Deyarmin ; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 12:52 AM
> Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Web Site Update & A Big Thank You
>
>
>
> Good evening All,
>
> this is an awesome collection!
> What a wonderful feeling you must have of this accomplishment creating 
> the spheres.
> I love the new Libyan Glass one!
>
> I am happy that your image turned out so much better.
> Paul Harris does nice work!
> I must admit!  :-)
>
> With best regards,
> Moni
>
>
>> From: bobadebt at ec.rr.com
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 20:40:33 -0400
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Web Site Update & A Big Thank You
>>
>> I just updated the home page of my web site.
>>
>> I made a few changes to the text format & moved some images around.
>>
>>
>> Earlier I posted a topic about an image that would have looked great 
>> on my
>> site but I couldn't get one of the spheres to look right.
>>
>> Paul Harris contacted me and offered to fix it and his work was 
>> amazing. I
>> liked it so much it's the first image you see when the page loads.
>>
>> I would just like to publicly thank him for making that image look 
>> great. I
>> offered to credit him on my site but he wasn't worried about it.
>>
>> If you would like to check out my site click this:
>> http://home.ec.rr.com/bobadebt/50mil.htm
>
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From SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com  Mon May 19 06:13:44 2008
From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com (SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 06:13:44 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 19, 2008
Message-ID: <bce.27880a30.3562acd8@aol.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/May_19_2008.html



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From francisgraham at rocketmail.com  Mon May 19 07:43:07 2008
From: francisgraham at rocketmail.com (Francis Graham)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 04:43:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] A New Question
In-Reply-To: <000c01c8b56f$3f6bdd10$be439730$@net>
Message-ID: <335389.68889.qm@web59011.mail.re1.yahoo.com>




Hello

>  The real 
> motivation behind this government collaboration is the
> worry that 
> brazen nations (and there is never a shortage of these)
> might abuse 
> this "no-man's land" while other "well
> behaved nations" stood by and 
> got jealous, disadvantaged, or had their security
> threatened.  So the 
> countries agreed that military, disposal or commercial
> (i.e., mining, 
> harvesting flora or fauna) acivities by any treaty
> signatories was 
> mutually prohibited.

   Neuschwabenland is a case in point. Hitler wanted a commercial colony in Antarctica, so he staked out a claim in the Norwegian claim for his own regime. Fortunately for the ecology of Antarctica, he was distracted by the horrific war he started which made Europe a wasteland and cemetary. Without the Antarctic Treaty, surely other nations would be there with claims and schemes, perhaps, not regimes as bad as Hitler, but conflicted and unsound still. 
   I wonder what effect the spectre of Neuschwabenland had on the motivation behind the Antarctic treaty. Most of the politics of the late 20th century came out of the war. In some sense, it took 50 years to settle the damage.
   There are six other continents, and many--perhaps thousands-- meteorites are just sitting on places there waiting for your perusal, study, and admiration. Perhaps Antarctic Park can be left alone.

Francis Graham



   
   


      

From pshugar at clearwire.net  Mon May 19 10:56:20 2008
From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 09:56:20 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] update
Message-ID: <000701c8b9c0$810cd3a0$0201a8c0@laptop>

Update: Someone on the list said that he is moving so he can't answer his 
Email.
Duh---He has time to post the rocks from space picture of the day every day 
but no time to answer his email?????

Greetings list,
Is it just me, or what?????
How does one get a reply from Michael Johnson, rocksfromspace, guy?
I've sent about 5 over the past month or so only to get no reply to any of
them?
Maybe I didn't get the secret handshake right when I joined IMCA so he won't
answer.
Whatever it is, I'd just like an answer to my email.
Pete IMCA 1733
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From moni2555 at hotmail.com  Mon May 19 11:52:05 2008
From: moni2555 at hotmail.com (Moni Waiblinger)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 08:52:05 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Web Site Update & A Big Thank You
In-Reply-To: <006901c8b96f$2423e620$832ab841@David>
References: <016d01c8b948$f5899ec0$832ab841@David>
	<BAY104-W50CB18A6560BECDFD90941CDC50@phx.gbl> 
	<006901c8b96f$2423e620$832ab841@David>
Message-ID: <BAY104-W3506D3B3D90649A1D5C8A0CDC50@phx.gbl>


Good Morning All,


David wrote:

> I know some of you may not like my collection,
but you have to admit it is 
> shaping up to be very unique.

Guess you had some one disagree with you before on this list because of the cutting loss?
Was it because you cut the meteorite up or because of the loss of the grinding the rock in shape?

Most everyone does cut a meteorite up to try to break even for a purchased meteorite or make a profit or make the meteorite available for collectors and scientists.

I am sure you have to cut your meteorite to the closest possible shape and are you able to sell those slices?
How many cuts do you actually have to make?

Can the material when you saw it in shape be saved?

Maybe you could sell it as a specialty, like the 'Bessey Specks'.
Maybe something like 'Sphere's dust'.

Maybe Martin Altman, MexicoDoug and the BIMS group, some of the British guys are here on this list too and they always have a wonderful and entertaining dialog going on, maybe they could come up with ideas for you.

Guess first we need to know what is the loss and what shape is it in, dust, larger particles?

Just a thought,

Moni


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From fuzzfoot at comcast.net  Mon May 19 12:10:52 2008
From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 09:10:52 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] update
In-Reply-To: <000701c8b9c0$810cd3a0$0201a8c0@laptop>
Message-ID: <20080519161104.3AFCB105CF@mailwash5.pair.com>

With all due respect, Pete, the tone of your email is very rude and an
'update' on your situation is unnecessary. Michael Johnson has provided us
all with a free service and to flame him on the list for simply not replying
to your emails is inappropriate. Put yourself in his shoes. He probably gets
dozens of requests and large image files a day and may not have time to
reply immediately (especially while moving). Typically, when I send him an
image, it gets posted to RFS within a couple weeks.

Have some patience, my friend. MJ is a good guy and doesn't deserve the
flame.

Kind regards,
?
Mike Bandli?


-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Pete
Shugar
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 7:56 AM
To: Met Bul
Subject: [meteorite-list] update

Update: Someone on the list said that he is moving so he can't answer his 
Email.
Duh---He has time to post the rocks from space picture of the day every day 
but no time to answer his email?????

Greetings list,
Is it just me, or what?????
How does one get a reply from Michael Johnson, rocksfromspace, guy?
I've sent about 5 over the past month or so only to get no reply to any of
them?
Maybe I didn't get the secret handshake right when I joined IMCA so he won't
answer.
Whatever it is, I'd just like an answer to my email.
Pete IMCA 1733
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From pshugar at clearwire.net  Mon May 19 13:05:55 2008
From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 12:05:55 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] appoligies to Michael Johnson
Message-ID: <001401c8b9d2$9b461030$0201a8c0@laptop>

I was under the impression that the email address was rocksfromspace.com and 
now I've been informed that I sent to the wrong address.
I'll try the new address.
Sorry for the inconvience.
Pete


From star-bits at tx.rr.com  Mon May 19 13:11:15 2008
From: star-bits at tx.rr.com (star-bits at tx.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 13:11:15 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad - eBay auctions closing shortly
Message-ID: <19544480.806921211217075707.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web18-z02>

Greetings all

      I have a few auctions closing shortly including

Mars shergottite individual 0.98 grams currently at only at $72/gm
Imilac part slice currently at only $11/gm 
Bassikounou one less than $0.60/gm
Thuathe, one of the best I bought in Lesotho in 2003.
Kilabo  Still less than $1/gm
A couple sikhote-alin shrapnel pieces with impact craters
Tagish Lake, Allende
Carancas, Covert and others see them all at

<http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=katy2kary>
--
Eric Olson
7682 Firethorn Dr
Fayetteville, NC 28311

http://www.star-bits.com

From fuzzfoot at comcast.net  Mon May 19 17:50:49 2008
From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 14:50:49 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Svend Buhls Meteorite Prints
Message-ID: <20080519215104.397E410573@mailwash5.pair.com>

Hello List,

http://www.niger-meteorite-recon.de/en/meteoriten_vk_fotos.htm

I wanted to take a moment to thank Svend Buhl for his amazing historic
meteorite reproduction prints. I had been contemplating on whether or not to
get some for a long time now and finally decided to order. I have to say
that they are better than expected. These are professional prints and look
stunning in the frame. They will also add a new dimension to my display,
which is in need of some good art.

If you have been thinking about buying some and have wondered about the
quality then I can tell you they are well worth the money.


Nicely done Svend!


Cheers,

Mike Bandli
?




From dave at fallingrocks.com  Mon May 19 17:54:17 2008
From: dave at fallingrocks.com (Dave Gheesling)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 17:54:17 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Svend Buhls Meteorite Prints
In-Reply-To: <20080519215104.397E410573@mailwash5.pair.com>
References: <20080519215104.397E410573@mailwash5.pair.com>
Message-ID: <40B6D8FA86204A298C0A59F0345D4067@meteorroom>

Mike & All,

Svend's reproductions are fantastic, to be sure.  I framed up a few for the
same reason as Mike and couldn't be happier with them:

http://www.fallingrocks.com/photos.htm#42

All best,

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Bandli
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 5:51 PM
To: 'Met Bul'
Subject: [meteorite-list] Svend Buhls Meteorite Prints

Hello List,

http://www.niger-meteorite-recon.de/en/meteoriten_vk_fotos.htm

I wanted to take a moment to thank Svend Buhl for his amazing historic
meteorite reproduction prints. I had been contemplating on whether or not to
get some for a long time now and finally decided to order. I have to say
that they are better than expected. These are professional prints and look
stunning in the frame. They will also add a new dimension to my display,
which is in need of some good art.

If you have been thinking about buying some and have wondered about the
quality then I can tell you they are well worth the money.


Nicely done Svend!


Cheers,

Mike Bandli
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From Impactika at aol.com  Mon May 19 18:22:04 2008
From: Impactika at aol.com (Impactika at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 18:22:04 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Svend Buhls Meteorite Prints
Message-ID: <c88.2ab27bc5.3563578c@aol.com>

Hello Dave, Mike, and all,
 
I agree entirely, Svend's prints are great.
But..............
Maybe I am too quiet and need to remind you that I still have some  
hand-printed, hand-colored reproductions of the Ensisheim wood-cut. They  were done so 
carefully by Fred Olsen that he crushed minerals (malachite,  azurite....) to 
make naturals pigments to paint them. He even came and  asked me for some 
pieces of the Ensisheim meteorite, but when I found out that  he was going to do 
with them I flatly refused and told him to go find an NWA  with the same 
classification. You can find the whole story, and a picture  here:  
_http://www.impactika.com/books.htm_ (http://www.impactika.com/books.htm) 
 
And I just got back from Fort Worth, a short visit to TCU and Art Ehlmann,  
and I brought back some pieces of Somervell County!
Any one interested?
 
Anne Black
_www.IMPACTIKA.com_ (http://www.IMPACTIKA.com) 
_www.IMCA.cc_ (http://www.IMCA.cc) 
 
 
 
In a message dated 5/19/2008 4:00:32 PM Mountain Daylight Time,  
dave at fallingrocks.com writes:
Mike & All,

Svend's reproductions  are fantastic, to be sure.  I framed up a few for the
same reason as  Mike and couldn't be happier with  them:

http://www.fallingrocks.com/photos.htm#42

All  best,

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From:  meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com]  On Behalf Of Mike
Bandli
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 5:51 PM
To: 'Met  Bul'
Subject: [meteorite-list] Svend Buhls Meteorite Prints

Hello  List,

http://www.niger-meteorite-recon.de/en/meteoriten_vk_fotos.htm

I  wanted to take a moment to thank Svend Buhl for his amazing  historic
meteorite reproduction prints. I had been contemplating on whether  or not to
get some for a long time now and finally decided to order. I have  to say
that they are better than expected. These are professional prints and  look
stunning in the frame. They will also add a new dimension to my  display,
which is in need of some good art.

If you have been thinking  about buying some and have wondered about the
quality then I can tell you  they are well worth the money.


Nicely done  Svend!


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From grf2 at verizon.net  Mon May 19 18:32:22 2008
From: grf2 at verizon.net (Jerry)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 18:32:22 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] update
In-Reply-To: <20080519161104.3AFCB105CF@mailwash5.pair.com>
References: <20080519161104.3AFCB105CF@mailwash5.pair.com>
Message-ID: <EC67FF44BD344E0486E64E09D322A2DA@Notebook>

I heartily agree with Mike on this. Learn a little patience Pete. Michael's 
been with the List a longtime doing a marvelous service for all of us. To 
say that he makes a special effort to provide this daily service for the 
List even under trying times only magnifies his dedication!!
Jerry Flaherty
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Bandli" <fuzzfoot at comcast.net>
To: "'Pete Shugar'" <pshugar at clearwire.net>; "'Met Bul'" 
<Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] update


With all due respect, Pete, the tone of your email is very rude and an
'update' on your situation is unnecessary. Michael Johnson has provided us
all with a free service and to flame him on the list for simply not replying
to your emails is inappropriate. Put yourself in his shoes. He probably gets
dozens of requests and large image files a day and may not have time to
reply immediately (especially while moving). Typically, when I send him an
image, it gets posted to RFS within a couple weeks.

Have some patience, my friend. MJ is a good guy and doesn't deserve the
flame.

Kind regards,

Mike Bandli


-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Pete
Shugar
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 7:56 AM
To: Met Bul
Subject: [meteorite-list] update

Update: Someone on the list said that he is moving so he can't answer his
Email.
Duh---He has time to post the rocks from space picture of the day every day
but no time to answer his email?????

Greetings list,
Is it just me, or what?????
How does one get a reply from Michael Johnson, rocksfromspace, guy?
I've sent about 5 over the past month or so only to get no reply to any of
them?
Maybe I didn't get the secret handshake right when I joined IMCA so he won't
answer.
Whatever it is, I'd just like an answer to my email.
Pete IMCA 1733
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From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Mon May 19 19:49:59 2008
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 16:49:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] ebay upgrade
Message-ID: <230704.95300.qm@web57811.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hello list.I was just going over my auctions and about an hour ago I had a 501 positive feedback.And as of 1 minute ago,I now have a 1320 positive rating.WHAT UP???

Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!!  ???? The Asteroid Belt!  ??? http://chicagometeorites.net/  ??? Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999  ??? Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites


      

From bobadebt at ec.rr.com  Mon May 19 19:51:33 2008
From: bobadebt at ec.rr.com (David & Kitt Deyarmin)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 19:51:33 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list]  AD - Libyan Glass End Cuts & Fragments For Sale
Message-ID: <00a101c8ba0b$452246e0$832ab841@David>

The 32mm Sphere is sold but the rest is still available.


I would like to move this material so I will accept reasonable offers.


I also  wanted to let everyone know that the image for this material 
incorrectly listed the weight of  the pile of chips as 161grams. The correct 
weight is only 76 grams

Thanks

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

I have a variety of Libyan Glass pieces available for sale

You can see a picture by clicking this:

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p298/BobaDebt/Fragments-1.jpg


The 161 gram piece has a single cut flat surface and I'm asking $161 for it

The 77 & 55 gram pieces have 2 cut surfaces on the back and one of them is
at a 2" radius, I am asking 75 cents per gram for theses pieces.

The 7 & 12 gram pieces have a slight radius cut on the back but it isn't
very noticeable so I'm asking $1 per gram for these

The pile of chips in the center have multiple cut surfaces, I will take $40
for the whole lot

I also have a 32mm sphere which weighs 40 grams that I am selling for $150,
it beautiful and I will post pictures of it and my 50mm sphere later.


If your interested in anything please contact me off list at bobadebt at
ec.rr.com

Thanks





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From david.carothers at verizon.net  Mon May 19 20:08:01 2008
From: david.carothers at verizon.net (Dave Caorthers)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 20:08:01 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] ebay upgrade
References: <230704.95300.qm@web57811.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <57A08EB8736A4FBC92720B83DA30983C@Laptop>

See Dean's Met List post on 5/14

Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "steve arnold" <stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 7:49 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] ebay upgrade


Hello list.I was just going over my auctions and about an hour ago I had a 
501 positive feedback.And as of 1 minute ago,I now have a 1320 positive 
rating.WHAT UP???

Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!!  The Asteroid Belt! 
http://chicagometeorites.net/  Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999  Ebay 
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From pshugar at clearwire.net  Mon May 19 20:47:09 2008
From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 19:47:09 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Public Apologies to Michael Johnson
Message-ID: <001d01c8ba13$0a04f0a0$0201a8c0@laptop>

I hope this posts as I don't think the last one did.
I was under the impression that the email address was rocksfromspace.com and
now I've been informed that I sent to the wrong address.
I'll try the new address.
My apologies to the list for.  being an anoying pest and such a rude person. 
I am neither of these, just frustrated. And then to top it all off, I had 
the wrong cottonpicking address, which some would say that makes me look 
like a fool. I took the address from the RFS website, but I guess that I had 
the wrong one.
I did not mean to sound rude nor be an anoying pest.
Since some think I have made such an ass of myself, maybe I should just 
resign and not continue to be a bad apple in such a fine barrel. I would not 
want to contaminate such a good list as this.
Pete


From midwest at meteorman.org  Mon May 19 21:08:17 2008
From: midwest at meteorman.org (Timothy Heitz)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 20:08:17 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Public Apologies to Michael Johnson
References: <001d01c8ba13$0a04f0a0$0201a8c0@laptop>
Message-ID: <CCDFB80F7D6C46FA84EBC3FCA8C17E78@den>


Pete,

Things just happen with e-mails, its hard to tell how people feel or what 
they really think.

Alot of the time, it can be cold and misunderstood, its happened to me..

I enjoyed your reply and will no doubt sound that way without trying 
someday,


Read and reread, over and over,
Tim Heitz






----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pete Shugar" <pshugar at clearwire.net>
To: "Met Bul" <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 7:47 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Public Apologies to Michael Johnson


>I hope this posts as I don't think the last one did.
> I was under the impression that the email address was rocksfromspace.com 
> and
> now I've been informed that I sent to the wrong address.
> I'll try the new address.
> My apologies to the list for.  being an anoying pest and such a rude 
> person. I am neither of these, just frustrated. And then to top it all 
> off, I had the wrong cottonpicking address, which some would say that 
> makes me look like a fool. I took the address from the RFS website, but I 
> guess that I had the wrong one.
> I did not mean to sound rude nor be an anoying pest.
> Since some think I have made such an ass of myself, maybe I should just 
> resign and not continue to be a bad apple in such a fine barrel. I would 
> not want to contaminate such a good list as this.
> Pete
>
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From m_graul at yahoo.de  Mon May 19 21:08:14 2008
From: m_graul at yahoo.de (Mirko Graul)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 01:08:14 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] =?iso-8859-1?q?AD=3A_last_thin_sections_of_Puert?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?o_L=E1pice_/_La_Mancha_AEUC?=
Message-ID: <241715.85396.qm@web26306.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hello List,

i have offer on ebay today the last thin section from the new fresh Fall Puerto L?pice / La Mancha.
This section is polished and without cover glass.
Here the Link.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=290231844684&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=019

Thank you for looking and best wishes Mirko

Mirko Graul Meteorite 
Quittenring.4 
16321 Bernau 
GERMANY 

Phone: 0049-1724105015 
E-Mail: m_graul at yahoo.de 

IMCA-Member: 2113 
(International Meteorite Collectors Association) 

Web: www.meteorite-mirko.de


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From fuzzfoot at comcast.net  Mon May 19 21:19:06 2008
From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 18:19:06 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Public Apologies to Michael Johnson
In-Reply-To: <001d01c8ba13$0a04f0a0$0201a8c0@laptop>
Message-ID: <20080520011918.5039610572@mailwash5.pair.com>

Hi Pete,

You're certainly not a bad apple or a pest (and, at times, the list is
certainly not a fine barrel!) I enjoy your posts and you are a good
contributor to the Met-List. I hope you don't take my post personal. I was
just defending a fellow collector. Email interpretation is tricky. You
wouldn't believe how many times I have typed messages to the list, only to
cancel or delete them before sending.

Don't worry about this stuff!

Kind regards,
?
Mike Bandli
www.Astro-Artifacts.com
?


-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Pete
Shugar
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 5:47 PM
To: Met Bul
Subject: [meteorite-list] Public Apologies to Michael Johnson

I hope this posts as I don't think the last one did.
I was under the impression that the email address was rocksfromspace.com and
now I've been informed that I sent to the wrong address.
I'll try the new address.
My apologies to the list for.  being an anoying pest and such a rude person.

I am neither of these, just frustrated. And then to top it all off, I had 
the wrong cottonpicking address, which some would say that makes me look 
like a fool. I took the address from the RFS website, but I guess that I had

the wrong one.
I did not mean to sound rude nor be an anoying pest.
Since some think I have made such an ass of myself, maybe I should just 
resign and not continue to be a bad apple in such a fine barrel. I would not

want to contaminate such a good list as this.
Pete

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From dave at fallingrocks.com  Mon May 19 22:13:35 2008
From: dave at fallingrocks.com (Dave Gheesling)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 22:13:35 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Public Apologies to Michael Johnson
In-Reply-To: <20080520011918.5039610572@mailwash5.pair.com>
References: <001d01c8ba13$0a04f0a0$0201a8c0@laptop>
	<20080520011918.5039610572@mailwash5.pair.com>
Message-ID: <B7B4C410620449A9B1D2D6362C794F3D@meteorroom>

Pete, Mike & List,
Ditto to Mike's post.  I was just doing the same.  Pete, not only are your
contributions to the list enjoyable, I particularly appreciate your efforts
to share meteorites with kids.  Please keep that up, along with the
enthusiasm...
Dave 

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Bandli
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 9:19 PM
To: 'Pete Shugar'; 'Met Bul'
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Public Apologies to Michael Johnson

Hi Pete,

You're certainly not a bad apple or a pest (and, at times, the list is
certainly not a fine barrel!) I enjoy your posts and you are a good
contributor to the Met-List. I hope you don't take my post personal. I was
just defending a fellow collector. Email interpretation is tricky. You
wouldn't believe how many times I have typed messages to the list, only to
cancel or delete them before sending.

Don't worry about this stuff!

Kind regards,
?
Mike Bandli
www.Astro-Artifacts.com
?


-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Pete
Shugar
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 5:47 PM
To: Met Bul
Subject: [meteorite-list] Public Apologies to Michael Johnson

I hope this posts as I don't think the last one did.
I was under the impression that the email address was rocksfromspace.com and
now I've been informed that I sent to the wrong address.
I'll try the new address.
My apologies to the list for.  being an anoying pest and such a rude person.

I am neither of these, just frustrated. And then to top it all off, I had
the wrong cottonpicking address, which some would say that makes me look
like a fool. I took the address from the RFS website, but I guess that I had

the wrong one.
I did not mean to sound rude nor be an anoying pest.
Since some think I have made such an ass of myself, maybe I should just
resign and not continue to be a bad apple in such a fine barrel. I would not

want to contaminate such a good list as this.
Pete

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From eric at meteoritewatch.com  Tue May 20 01:44:39 2008
From: eric at meteoritewatch.com (Eric Wichman)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 22:44:39 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Special Auction and Thanks.
Message-ID: <48326547.6030404@meteoritewatch.com>

Hi All,

Over the last few months my girlfriend Jaime and I have been -not so
quietly- building our business and meteorite/mineral collections. We've
sold hundreds of meteorites and mineral specimens to many great people
on list and off over the last 10 months or so.

I would like to make an announcement.

After many hundreds of hours of work, long nights of sorting and
cleaning, many delightful customers, and hundreds of meteorites sold, we
are now Ebay POWERSELLERS! WooHoo! To this I would like to thank
everyone for all the kind emails and help they have given us thus far.
Without you guys we wouldn't be here. Thank You All!

As a kind of celebration, we've listed a SPECIAL AUCTION! Be sure to
visit and bid on the "My Chondrule Is BIGGER Than Yours!" auction we
have listed here: This is just for fun and a good laugh for everyone so
hopefully you guys will enjoy it. So far, as of the writing of this
email there's been 248 people view this auction and it already has 6
bids. This in only 48 hours!

Auction closes on Thursday at 8:25pm

Special Auction: 2g (48) Chondrules - NWA XXX Meteorite MUSA
http://cgi.ebay.com/Special-2g-48-Chondrules-NWA-XXX-Meteorite-MUSA_W0QQitemZ250249271362

Current Ebay auctions:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZfreel3orn

Regards,
Eric & Jaime
Meteorites USA
Bits Of Earth

Also make sure to check out the specials on our websites: There's
meteorites here that we don't have listed on ebay.
www.BitsOfEarth.com - Minerals
www.MeteoritesUSA.com - Meteorites
=========================================================
Our customers are very important to us. To celebrate our new powerseller
status, and show our appreciation to all our current and future
customers, we're having a BIG sale. We've lowered our shipping prices by
40% for first class mail and now offer FREE Priority Mail shipping on
ALL orders from 250 grams up to 1 pound!


From grf2 at verizon.net  Tue May 20 08:45:48 2008
From: grf2 at verizon.net (Jerry)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 08:45:48 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Public Apologies to Michael Johnson
In-Reply-To: <001d01c8ba13$0a04f0a0$0201a8c0@laptop>
References: <001d01c8ba13$0a04f0a0$0201a8c0@laptop>
Message-ID: <0A106DD551D44FCC813AF417902569C3@Notebook>

Way to go Pete. We all make mistakes.
Jerry Flaherty
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pete Shugar" <pshugar at clearwire.net>
To: "Met Bul" <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 8:47 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Public Apologies to Michael Johnson


>I hope this posts as I don't think the last one did.
> I was under the impression that the email address was rocksfromspace.com 
> and
> now I've been informed that I sent to the wrong address.
> I'll try the new address.
> My apologies to the list for.  being an anoying pest and such a rude 
> person. I am neither of these, just frustrated. And then to top it all 
> off, I had the wrong cottonpicking address, which some would say that 
> makes me look like a fool. I took the address from the RFS website, but I 
> guess that I had the wrong one.
> I did not mean to sound rude nor be an anoying pest.
> Since some think I have made such an ass of myself, maybe I should just 
> resign and not continue to be a bad apple in such a fine barrel. I would 
> not want to contaminate such a good list as this.
> Pete
>
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From SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com  Tue May 20 09:04:39 2008
From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com (SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 09:04:39 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 20, 2008
Message-ID: <cf4.2bc46145.35642667@aol.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/May_20_2008.html  




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From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Tue May 20 06:51:11 2008
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 12:51:11 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hefty
Message-ID: <00a301c8ba67$6bb17950$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>

Looked after a while again into ebay... remarkably!!

For the beginners,
Beware:

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZheavy_machine_man13

These are no Zagami, neither Abbee, nor CM2, AWIN, CO3.


Hehe, the Chinese are bored. From now on the Mekong-magnetites aren't sold
as Nantans any longer, but they are named now "New Campo":

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZpearlyn75
 
Best
Martin



From mlblood at cox.net  Tue May 20 16:12:39 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 13:12:39 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite offered (NOT an ad)
In-Reply-To: <0A106DD551D44FCC813AF417902569C3@Notebook>
Message-ID: <C4587EC7.16CA7%mlblood@cox.net>

Hi List readers,
        Meteorite dealers have plenty to keep them busy. However,
I thought you might also enjoy hearing the occasionally hysterical
Requests we receive.
        The list member who comes up with the funniest, most creative
Response will be the winner. (see bottom of post).
         (Please note that almost daily people call with the
Meteorite their grandfather "saw land" in 1943 and they do NOT want
Us to screw them on price - they KNOW it is worth hundreds if not
Thousands of dollars PER GRAM)
        Then there are the guys who show up unannounced with a hunk of
Metal slag in the back of their pick up and imply they are going to commit
Physical violence when you tell them it is not a meteorite and they are
Convinced you are trying to rip them off and you tell them over and over
You are not interested AT ANY PRICE, but they still act as though this
Is a despicable "bargaining" approach with which you are abusing them -
until you finally have to tell them to get it the hell out of here and you
will call the police if they litter your property with it..... Then they
finally leave thinking YOU are crazy and don't know a thing about
meteorites. 
        No, not these average, run of the mill solicitors - occasionally you
get a fun one like the one below.
         Anyone got a spare $150K for one of these "recent type" meteorites
just now arriving from the farthest reaches of the universe? After all, it
is actually an Alien space craft made of materials unknown to man. AND,
I was actually provided an extremely blurry photo of a black blob (name
Withheld to protect the ignorant) (no, I don't make these things up):
---------
Yes, Michael I am interested in selling a rather unique and large meteorite
I found in Arizona late 1998. It is one of three which were reported to have
fallen over Arizona sometime in Feb. of 98. Two young boys found one the
next day, after the report came out in the newspaper. Someone was offering
$150,000.00 to anyone finding one. They sold the one found to that person. I
do not know who that was. They are said to be the most recent type, coming
from the furthest part of the universe and just now reaching earth. It
probably weights in at approx. 4 lbs. I believe this one to be worth much
more than what was offered. This one did not burst open on impact, landing
in a very soft wash embankment. I also believe it to be exactly the same
kind as what the air force described to be an alien space craft which
crashed in roswell, New mexico in 1967, I believe. The description given in
the Readers Digest was a description exactly as that of the one I have
found. Thye claimed it to be a black glass-like material containing a silver
metal-like substance which has no elemental description known to exist on
earth. What do think of that. They also reported finding aliens Hanger 51 or
13 or something like that. I feel we were lied to because of my find. I am
interested in selling it but have no contacts as of yet and would appreciate
any help you may be able to offer. I am going to try and send a photo along
with this letter. (name and contact info)
---
        Now, the fun contest:
        I am incline to suggest he take it to the next Star Trek Convention
as by far the best place to sell it. However, I am open to other creative
suggestions from the list - perhaps we should warn him to keep it secret
Lest Home Security take it into custody and he would loose his precious?
        Come on guys, I feel "duty bound" to respond to all requests within
24 hrs, so, the person with the most creative suggestion will win.....
The prestigious MICHAEL BLOOD - YOU GET NOTHING Award!
        I retain all rights to choose the winner in any way I see fit.
Bribes will be accepted, people can post clever responses ON list (I can
Just hear the dogs barking already!) or off list if they are shy.
        Judging will be based on how much the recommendation is:
1) funny (66.6%)
2) original (33.3%)
        You can enter as many responses as you like!
        Don't hold back. Come up with something here folks - we shouldn't
Dump this off on the next Star Trek Convention.... Or should we? (Maybe
I should be the winner? - prove me WRONG!)
        Best wishes, Michael





From STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com  Tue May 20 17:21:33 2008
From: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com (STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 17:21:33 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite offered (NOT an ad)
Message-ID: <c1b.30c4b47c.35649add@aol.com>


Mike!!!   You are missing  the golden opportunity!  You can't con an honest 
man!  Well these  people ALWAYS make it up as they go along to suit what ever 
they think you want  to hear.

Be the first to TAKE THEM SERIOUS, but the test are  "expensive".  You only 
need a small piece of their precious but $786 for  the first test.  If that is 
positive then we are in the money and the more  expensive tests begin.  

Heck, when it is all done you could print  them out a cool certificate of 
authenticity.

What fun!

Tom  

In a message dated 5/20/2008 3:13:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
mlblood at cox.net writes:
Hi List  readers,
Meteorite dealers have  plenty to keep them busy. However,
I thought you might also enjoy hearing the  occasionally hysterical
Requests we  receive.
The list member who comes  up with the funniest, most creative
Response will be the winner. (see bottom  of post).
(Please note that  almost daily people call with the
Meteorite their grandfather "saw land" in  1943 and they do NOT want
Us to screw them on price - they KNOW it is worth  hundreds if not
Thousands of dollars PER  GRAM)
Then there are the guys who  show up unannounced with a hunk of
Metal slag in the back of their pick up  and imply they are going to commit
Physical violence when you tell them it is  not a meteorite and they are
Convinced you are trying to rip them off and you  tell them over and over
You are not interested AT ANY PRICE, but they still  act as though this
Is a despicable "bargaining" approach with which you are  abusing them -
until you finally have to tell them to get it the hell out of  here and you
will call the police if they litter your property with it.....  Then they
finally leave thinking YOU are crazy and don't know a thing  about
meteorites. 
No, not  these average, run of the mill solicitors - occasionally you
get a fun one  like the one below.
Anyone  got a spare $150K for one of these "recent type" meteorites
just now arriving  from the farthest reaches of the universe? After all, it
is actually an Alien  space craft made of materials unknown to man. AND,
I was actually provided an  extremely blurry photo of a black blob (name
Withheld to protect the  ignorant) (no, I don't make these things up):
---------
Yes, Michael I am  interested in selling a rather unique and large meteorite
I found in Arizona  late 1998. It is one of three which were reported to have
fallen over Arizona  sometime in Feb. of 98. Two young boys found one the
next day, after the  report came out in the newspaper. Someone was offering
$150,000.00 to anyone  finding one. They sold the one found to that person. I
do not know who that  was. They are said to be the most recent type, coming
from the furthest part  of the universe and just now reaching earth. It
probably weights in at  approx. 4 lbs. I believe this one to be worth much
more than what was  offered. This one did not burst open on impact, landing
in a very soft wash  embankment. I also believe it to be exactly the same
kind as what the air  force described to be an alien space craft which
crashed in roswell, New  mexico in 1967, I believe. The description given in
the Readers Digest was a  description exactly as that of the one I have
found. Thye claimed it to be a  black glass-like material containing a silver
metal-like substance which has  no elemental description known to exist on
earth. What do think of that. They  also reported finding aliens Hanger 51 or
13 or something like that. I feel  we were lied to because of my find. I am
interested in selling it but have no  contacts as of yet and would appreciate
any help you may be able to offer. I  am going to try and send a photo along
with this letter. (name and contact  info)
---
Now, the fun  contest:
I am incline to suggest  he take it to the next Star Trek Convention
as by far the best place to sell  it. However, I am open to other creative
suggestions from the list - perhaps  we should warn him to keep it secret
Lest Home Security take it into custody  and he would loose his precious?
Come on guys, I feel "duty bound" to respond to all requests within
24 hrs,  so, the person with the most creative suggestion will win.....
The  prestigious MICHAEL BLOOD - YOU GET NOTHING  Award!
I retain all rights to  choose the winner in any way I see fit.
Bribes will be accepted, people can  post clever responses ON list (I can
Just hear the dogs barking already!) or  off list if they are shy.
Judging  will be based on how much the recommendation is:
1) funny (66.6%)
2)  original (33.3%)
You can enter as  many responses as you like!
Don't  hold back. Come up with something here folks - we shouldn't
Dump this off on  the next Star Trek Convention.... Or should we? (Maybe
I should be the  winner? - prove me WRONG!)
Best  wishes,  Michael




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From mark at meteorites.cc  Tue May 20 17:54:21 2008
From: mark at meteorites.cc (Mark Crawford)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 22:54:21 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite offered (NOT an ad)
In-Reply-To: <c1b.30c4b47c.35649add@aol.com>
References: <c1b.30c4b47c.35649add@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4833488D.8030703@meteorites.cc>

STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com wrote:
> I also believe it to be exactly the same 
> kind as what the air force described to be an alien space craft which
> crashed in roswell, New  mexico in 1967, I believe.[...] 
> They  also reported finding aliens 
You couldn't make it up, could you?  Suggest they take it to within some 
mystically-calculated radius of Roswell (make it something to do with 
distance to Barnard's Star, speed of light expressed in 
furlongs/fortnight, your dog's birthday - whatever). He should then 
surround the 'meteorite' with crystals at the cardinal points of the 
compass, and seeing if it generates any 'resonance'. It's very important 
not to define 'resonance' in advance, of course, in order not to 
influence the outcome;)

-- 
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From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Tue May 20 18:45:59 2008
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 17:45:59 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite offered (NOT an ad)
References: <c1b.30c4b47c.35649add@aol.com> <4833488D.8030703@meteorites.cc>
Message-ID: <003c01c8bacb$46a4ec00$fd2ce146@ATARIENGINE>

> speed of light expressed in furlongs/fortnight

To aid those making the calculation, the speed of
light (299,792,458 m/sec) in furlongs (201.168 meters) 
per second is 1,490,259.176 furlongs per second, so
the speed of light in furlongs per fortnight (1,209,600 
seconds) is:

        1,802,617,000,000 furlongs per fortnight

I hope this helps...


Sterling K. Webb
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Crawford" <mark at meteorites.cc>
To: <STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite offered (NOT an ad)


STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com wrote:
> I also believe it to be exactly the same 
> kind as what the air force described to be an alien space craft which
> crashed in roswell, New  mexico in 1967, I believe.[...] 
> They  also reported finding aliens 
You couldn't make it up, could you?  Suggest they take it to within some 
mystically-calculated radius of Roswell (make it something to do with 
distance to Barnard's Star, speed of light expressed in 
furlongs/fortnight, your dog's birthday - whatever). He should then 
surround the 'meteorite' with crystals at the cardinal points of the 
compass, and seeing if it generates any 'resonance'. It's very important 
not to define 'resonance' in advance, of course, in order not to 
influence the outcome;)

-- 
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From cynapse at charter.net  Tue May 20 18:59:57 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 18:59:57 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite offered (NOT an ad)
In-Reply-To: <C4587EC7.16CA7%mlblood@cox.net>
References: <0A106DD551D44FCC813AF417902569C3@Notebook>
	<C4587EC7.16CA7%mlblood@cox.net>
Message-ID: <6vl634188gcd0ql2b6ghrrlfus7v300roa@4ax.com>

You could be...

...sorry to inform him that these kinds of meteorites hold a small but troubling
chance of being a deadly source of radiation [note-- say radiation, NOT
radioactivity].  To be safe, he should immediately wrap it in several layers of
aluminum foil and store it in a metal bucket filled with sand [provide a link to
a local hardware store selling "sandbox" type sand].  Then, tell him that if he
has experienced unexplained aches or flu-like symptoms since finding the
meteorite [he probably has] he may already been contaminated with radiation.
Tell him that, to neutralize the radiation, he must bathe with a dilute mixture
of warm soapy water, tomato juice, and rock salt.  Inform that if he still feels
symptoms afterwards, he should call poison control at 1-800-222-1222 for further
instructions, and contact the local police to remove the meteorite.

From pshugar at clearwire.net  Tue May 20 19:48:42 2008
From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 18:48:42 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] My meteorite
Message-ID: <004401c8bad4$0a671520$0201a8c0@laptop>

Sirs and Madams,
After much reading of of everyone's posts to this forum, here is what I 
propose.
I will give you a third of my 12 pound meteorite which I found holding  open 
the door to my greatgrandfathers moonshine still in exchange for $125K, but 
only if you have it tested in a lab.

I know this is a meteorite because I first tested it with a magnet. As I 
brought the magnet near the meteorite a very strange thing happened! The 
meteorite flipped over and then was pushed violently away from the magnet. 
Strange, but no earth rocks did that!!

I especially read very carefilly the posts on how to test for nickel. I 
went to (bleep) store and after talking with the pharmacy clerk, I was shown 
a kit that tests for allergies to metals such as nickel. I bought the most 
expensive one they had, figuring it must be the best as it was a very 
expensive kit.

After washing the meteorite in gasoline (I didn't want it to rust by using 
water), I went to an auto shop and had them grind a spot off on their 
grinder, which they did. At first there were flames so I guess we did not 
get all the gas dried off. After we got it dried, we tried again. This time 
no flames. But the funny thing is, there were no sparks while grinding 
either, just flashes of green light. Again I must say, no earth rocks ever 
did that.

I followed all the directions for using the testing kit, and when done the 
color was a bright fire engine red, which quickly turned to a dull orange 
color. Once more I must say that no earthly rock does this.

Because of all the above tests, I feel that I have a genuine space rock from 
Mars.
It must be worth millions because it passed all those complicated tests.

Submitted by
Pete IMCA 1733


From cynapse at charter.net  Tue May 20 18:40:06 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 18:40:06 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite offered (NOT an ad)
In-Reply-To: <C4587EC7.16CA7%mlblood@cox.net>
References: <0A106DD551D44FCC813AF417902569C3@Notebook>
	<C4587EC7.16CA7%mlblood@cox.net>
Message-ID: <urj63493jlopf3evn62la33bgn6vj3tg72@4ax.com>

You could be...

...sorry to inform him that these kinds of meteorites hold a small but troubling
chance of being a deadly source of radiation [note-- say radiation, NOT
radioactivity].  To be safe, he should immediately wrap it in several layers of
aluminum foil and store it in a metal bucket filled with sand [provide a link to
a local hardware store selling "sandbox" type sand].  Then, tell him that if he
has experienced unexplained aches or flu-like symptoms since finding the
meteorite [he probably has] he may already been contaminated with radiation.
Tell him that, to neutralize the radiation, he must bathe with a dilute mixture
of warm soapy water, tomato juice, and rock salt.  Inform that if he still feels
symptoms afterwards, he should call poison control at 1-800-222-1222 for further
instructions, and contact the local police to remove the meteorite.

From larrytwinkmonrad at comcast.net  Tue May 20 18:50:43 2008
From: larrytwinkmonrad at comcast.net (Larry & Twink Monrad)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 15:50:43 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] true "meteorite" stories
In-Reply-To: <C4587EC7.16CA7%mlblood@cox.net>
References: <0A106DD551D44FCC813AF417902569C3@Notebook>
	<C4587EC7.16CA7%mlblood@cox.net>
Message-ID: <20080520224919.561C310542@mailwash5.pair.com>

Funny Michael should write, this just happened this morning. I 
received a call from a neighbor, who actually lives close to Jim 
Kriegh's former house.  He said that a son of a friend of his brought 
to his house last night a meteorite.  The son had said he heard the 
soft ball sized  meteorite land in the dirt in his back yard in the 
south part of Tucson and it made a two inch crater.  Ron had a photo 
on his cell phone to show me and came to my house.  Ron said his 
friend took this meteorite to the U of A and was told that it 
appeared to be lunar and that the friend should take it to Phoenix 
and leave it and in six weeks he would be told if it were 
lunar.  Already this sounded weird.  He did not want to let the lunar 
out of his sight so Ron  showed me this photo.  It was black and 
shiny and had lots of angular and flat edges between the 
bubbles.  I  had Ron look over my meteorite collection, let him hold 
a few, showed him different types and then took him out in my front 
yard and showed him my collection of slag.  He right away said yes 
that is what his friend had. How the U of A story evolved remains a 
mystery.  I of course sent him  home with a sliced Gold Basin with 
the Sky and Telescope article and photo of Jim Kriegh in the field from 1998.

Jim and I also had another true experience.  A person came over to 
Jim's a few years ago and showed us his meteorite.  It was a dark 
rock with possibly Arizona red jasper showing through.  Jim gently 
gave him the sad news and I could not resist asking why he thought it 
was a meteorite.  He said he had seen the Peekskill meteorite on the 
internet, and it had red streaks too...

Twink Monrad


From Metorman46 at aol.com  Tue May 20 19:12:12 2008
From: Metorman46 at aol.com (Metorman46 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 19:12:12 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May     20,
	2008
Message-ID: <c21.23f65316.3564b4cc@aol.com>

Michael and Tomasz;
 
Beautiful Morasko specimen,enjoyed here,thanks for sharing.
 
Herman Archer IMCA#2770



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From radio_ranch at yahoo.com  Tue May 20 19:27:16 2008
From: radio_ranch at yahoo.com (Pat Brown)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 16:27:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite offered (NOT an ad)
In-Reply-To: <6vl634188gcd0ql2b6ghrrlfus7v300roa@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <905975.68088.qm@web51305.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi Darren and the List, 

I would suggest that he should be cautioned to wear a 3 layer thick foil helmet with a zirconium tube no more than 7mm diameter at the highest point of his head to allow his own thought process and not be overly influenced by the energy aura around the meteorite. You could further explain that it is especially important for any dogs in the household to wear a similar helmet without the zirconium tube as dog's cognitive abilities are affected 7 times worse than people. Also don't get that sucker near any undeveloped film, or too close to ones private bits if you want to have any more human children. 

I like the suggestion of selling it at a Star-Trek convention (but only if all visitors wear the foil helmet described above)

Pat 
--- On Tue, 5/20/08, Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net> wrote:

> From: Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite offered (NOT an ad)
> To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Tuesday, May 20, 2008, 3:59 PM
> You could be...
> 
> ...sorry to inform him that these kinds of meteorites hold
> a small but troubling
> chance of being a deadly source of radiation [note-- say
> radiation, NOT
> radioactivity].  To be safe, he should immediately wrap it
> in several layers of
> aluminum foil and store it in a metal bucket filled with
> sand [provide a link to
> a local hardware store selling "sandbox" type
> sand].  Then, tell him that if he
> has experienced unexplained aches or flu-like symptoms
> since finding the
> meteorite [he probably has] he may already been
> contaminated with radiation.
> Tell him that, to neutralize the radiation, he must bathe
> with a dilute mixture
> of warm soapy water, tomato juice, and rock salt.  Inform
> that if he still feels
> symptoms afterwards, he should call poison control at
> 1-800-222-1222 for further
> instructions, and contact the local police to remove the
> meteorite.
> ______________________________________________
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> Meteorite-list mailing list
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From cynapse at charter.net  Tue May 20 19:38:36 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 19:38:36 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite offered (NOT an ad)
In-Reply-To: <905975.68088.qm@web51305.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <6vl634188gcd0ql2b6ghrrlfus7v300roa@4ax.com>
	<905975.68088.qm@web51305.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <k3o6341sqevcivbl5aqgnoj7pmubdasst4@4ax.com>

On Tue, 20 May 2008 16:27:16 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>Hi Darren and the List, 
>
>I would suggest that he should be cautioned to wear a 3 layer thick foil helmet with a zirconium tube no more than 7mm diameter at the highest point of his head to allow his own thought process and not be overly influenced by the energy aura around the meteorite. You could further explain that it is especially important for any dogs in the household to wear a similar helmet without the zirconium tube as dog's cognitive abilities are affected 7 times worse than people. Also don't get that sucker near any undeveloped film, or too close to ones private bits if you want to have any more human children. 
>

Ah, but--
I was aiming for something that, while obviously stupid to sane, well educated
people, it might actually make sense as reasonable to the target.  You don't
want to go over the top-- you hope that he actually DOES what you tell him.
(Okay, _I_ hope that he actually does what you tell him).

From dave at fallingrocks.com  Tue May 20 19:54:55 2008
From: dave at fallingrocks.com (Dave Gheesling)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 19:54:55 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] My meteorite
In-Reply-To: <004401c8bad4$0a671520$0201a8c0@laptop>
References: <004401c8bad4$0a671520$0201a8c0@laptop>
Message-ID: <1BDE228631A846699096E921256D36AA@meteorroom>

Sounds convincing, Pete, but you should be able to get more for it... 

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Pete
Shugar
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 7:49 PM
To: Met Bul
Subject: [meteorite-list] My meteorite

Sirs and Madams,
After much reading of of everyone's posts to this forum, here is what I
propose.
I will give you a third of my 12 pound meteorite which I found holding  open
the door to my greatgrandfathers moonshine still in exchange for $125K, but
only if you have it tested in a lab.

I know this is a meteorite because I first tested it with a magnet. As I
brought the magnet near the meteorite a very strange thing happened! The
meteorite flipped over and then was pushed violently away from the magnet. 
Strange, but no earth rocks did that!!

I especially read very carefilly the posts on how to test for nickel. I went
to (bleep) store and after talking with the pharmacy clerk, I was shown a
kit that tests for allergies to metals such as nickel. I bought the most
expensive one they had, figuring it must be the best as it was a very
expensive kit.

After washing the meteorite in gasoline (I didn't want it to rust by using
water), I went to an auto shop and had them grind a spot off on their
grinder, which they did. At first there were flames so I guess we did not
get all the gas dried off. After we got it dried, we tried again. This time
no flames. But the funny thing is, there were no sparks while grinding
either, just flashes of green light. Again I must say, no earth rocks ever
did that.

I followed all the directions for using the testing kit, and when done the
color was a bright fire engine red, which quickly turned to a dull orange
color. Once more I must say that no earthly rock does this.

Because of all the above tests, I feel that I have a genuine space rock from
Mars.
It must be worth millions because it passed all those complicated tests.

Submitted by
Pete IMCA 1733

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From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Tue May 20 20:26:43 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 17:26:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rover Update - May 8-15, 200
Message-ID: <200805210026.RAA20654@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html#opportunity

OPPORTUNITY UPDATE:  Injured Shoulder Joint Back in the Game - 
sol 1525-1532, May 08-15, 2008:

Like an athlete with a shoulder injury whose arm is folded in a sling,
NASA's Mars rover Opportunity has been unable to move its robotic
shoulder joint for weeks. Early Wednesday (May 14, 2008), after a
regimen of electrical stimulation and heat, the rover finally moved its
shoulder joint and swung its robotic arm back to the front. Opportunity
accomplished this after surviving four Earth years, two Martian winters,
a major dust storm, and more than 1,500 day-to-night temperature cycles
on the red planet.

The story of Opportunity's shoulder begins way back on Sol 2 (Jan. 25,
2004), the rover's second day on Mars. That's when engineers discovered
that the heater on the shoulder azimuth joint, which controls
side-to-side motion of the robotic arm, was stuck in the "on" position.
Closer investigation revealed that the on-off switch had probably failed
during assembly, test, and launch operations on Earth. Fortunately for
Opportunity, the rover was equipped with a built-in safety mechanism
called a "T-stat box" (thermostatic switch) that provided protection
against overheating. When the shoulder azimuth joint, also known as
Joint 1, got too hot, the T-stat switch automatically opened and
temporarily disabled the heater. When the joint got cold again, the
T-stat closed. As a result, the heater stayed on all night but not all day.

The safety mechanism worked until Opportunity approached the first
winter on Mars. As the Sun began to retreat lower in the sky and solar
power levels dropped, it became clear that Opportunity would not be able
to keep the batteries charged with a heater draining power all night
long. On Sol 122 (May 28, 2004), rover operators began using a procedure
known as "deep sleep," during which Opportunity disconnected the
batteries at night. Deep sleep prevented the stuck heater (and
everything else on the rover except the clock and the battery heaters)
from drawing power. When the Sun came up the next morning and sunlight
began hitting the solar arrays, the batteries automatically reconnected,
the robotic arm became operational, the shoulder joint warmed up, and
the thermostatic switch opened, disabling the heater. As a result, the
shoulder joint was extremely hot during the day and extremely cold at
night. Such huge temperature swings, which tend to make electric motors
wear out faster, were taking place every sol.

This strategy worked for Opportunity until Sol 654 (Nov. 25, 2005), when
the Joint-1 azimuth motor stalled because of increased electrical
resistance. Rover operators responded by delivering higher-than-normal
current to the motor. This approach also worked, though Joint 1
continued to stall periodically. Typically, the rover's handlers simply
tried again the next sol and the joint worked. They determined that the
Joint-1 motor stalls were most likely due to damage caused by the
extreme temperature cycles the joint experienced during deep sleep. As a
precaution, they started keeping the robotic arm out in front of the
rover overnight, rather than stowing it underneath the rover deck, where
it would be virtually unusable in the event of a Joint-1 motor failure.
They stowed the arm only while driving and unstowed it immediately at
the end of each drive.

This strategy worked for Opportunity until Sol 1502 (April 15, 2008),
when the motor stalled at the beginning of an unstowing operation at the
end of a drive, when the arm was still tucked underneath the rover. The
motor continued to stall on all subsequent attempts, sol after sol.
Engineers performed tests at various times of day to measure electrical
resistance. They found that the resistance was lowest (essentially
normal) when the joint was at its warmest -- in the morning, following
deep sleep, after the heater had been on for several hours, and just
before the T-stat opened. They decided to try to unstow the arm one more
time under these conditions.

At 08:30 Mars time on Sol 1531 (May 14, 2008), they allowed Opportunity
to direct as much current as possible to the warm, joint-1 azimuth motor
in order to get the robotic arm into a usable position, in front of the
rover. It worked.

Because Opportunity will likely never again stow the robotic arm,
engineers are working on a strategy for driving the rover safely with
the arm deployed in front. In this way, Opportunity will continue to
explore Mars, having weathered yet another challenge!

Sol-by-sol summary:

In addition to receiving morning instructions directly from Earth via
the rover's high-gain antenna, relaying data back to Earth via the UHF
antenna on the Mars Odyssey orbiter, and measuring atmospheric dust with
the panoramic camera, Opportunity completed the following activities:

Sol 1525 (May 8, 2008): Opportunity used the alpha-particle X-ray
spectrometer to measure argon gas in the Martian atmosphere and used the
navigation camera to acquire time-lapse movie frames in search of clouds.

Sol 1526: Opportunity continued to study the Martian atmosphere.

Sol 1527: Opportunity made atmospheric measurements.

Sol 1528: Opportunity contined to make atmospheric measurements.

Sol 1529: Opportunity conducted tests of electrical resistance in the
robotic arm and acquired full-color images, with all 13 filters of the
panoramic camera, of soil. The rover began acquiring parts 3 and 4 of
the so-called "Garrels" panorama, a sweeping view of Cape Verde and the
slope where the rover will exit Victoria Crater.

Sol 1530: In the morning, Opportunity completed work on parts 3 and 4 of
the Garrels panorama. The rover took spot images of the sky for
calibration purposes with the panoramic camera and acquired six
time-lapse movie frames in search of overhead clouds.

Sol 1531: Opportunity moved Joint 1 to an unstowed position and acquired
part 5 of the Garrels panorama. The rover measured argon gas in the
atmosphere with the alpha-particle X-ray spectrometer and surveyed the
sky at high Sun with the panoramic camera.

Sol 1532 (May 15, 2008): Opportunity moved robotic arm joints 2 through
5 to an unstowed position and acquired part 6 of the Garrels panorama.
The rover monitored atmospheric dust with the navigation camera and
monitored dust on the rover mast. Opportunity acquired a movie in search
of clouds with the navigation camera and took spot images of the sky for
calibration purposes with the panoramic camera.

Odometry:

As of sol 1532 (May 15, 2008), Opportunity's total odometry remained at
11,689.53 meters (about 7.25 miles).

From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Tue May 20 20:29:51 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 17:29:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: May 12-16, 2008
Message-ID: <200805210029.RAA21676@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES
May 12-16, 2008

o Storm Clouds (Released 12 May 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080512a

o Landslide (Released 13 May 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080513a

o Texture (Released 14 May 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080514a

o Windstreaks (Released 15 May 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080515a

o Wind Action (Released 16 May 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080516a


All of the THEMIS images are archived here:

http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html

NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission 
for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission 
Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University,
Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. 
The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State 
University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor 
for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission 
operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a 
division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. 




From axelsson at acc.umu.se  Tue May 20 20:49:34 2008
From: axelsson at acc.umu.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=F6ran_Axelsson?=)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 02:49:34 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite offered (NOT an ad)
In-Reply-To: <C4587EC7.16CA7%mlblood@cox.net>
References: <C4587EC7.16CA7%mlblood@cox.net>
Message-ID: <4833719E.3090208@acc.umu.se>

Just forward him to the Boggy Creek meteorites... forgot his name, or to 
G?ran Lindstr?m. They could keep each other busy for a veeeery long time.

 :-)

/G?ran... the other one

From meteoritefinder at gmail.com  Tue May 20 20:53:13 2008
From: meteoritefinder at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 17:53:13 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] SEO help needed / this is a little off topic
Message-ID: <468bf6050805201753l3ffeeb4s77cc3bcbb33ab730@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Everyone I am looking for some help with SEO for my website
www.meteoritefinder.com I am not really sure what I need or how much
it will cost, so I was hoping there was some advise that could be
offered here. I am starting to work on it a little myself but I really
don't even know what I need to do. About all I do know is that when
you type in meteorites for sale I am like the 30 something page that
is displayed and I want to be in the top 5 or at least on the first
page. So maybe someone here can help me in this endeavor. Thanks for
your time and it is for a meteorite related site so it is not way off
topic : )

-- 
Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401
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 928-753-6825

From pshugar at clearwire.net  Tue May 20 21:29:40 2008
From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 20:29:40 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] My meteorite
References: <004401c8bad4$0a671520$0201a8c0@laptop>
	<1BDE228631A846699096E921256D36AA@meteorroom>
Message-ID: <002c01c8bae2$24ef7ff0$0201a8c0@laptop>

So far mine is theonly plausable story---------the restarejust too offbeat
Pete
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Gheesling" <dave at fallingrocks.com>
To: "'Pete Shugar'" <pshugar at clearwire.net>; "'Met Bul'" 
<Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 6:54 PM
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] My meteorite


> Sounds convincing, Pete, but you should be able to get more for it...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Pete
> Shugar
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 7:49 PM
> To: Met Bul
> Subject: [meteorite-list] My meteorite
>
> Sirs and Madams,
> After much reading of of everyone's posts to this forum, here is what I
> propose.
> I will give you a third of my 12 pound meteorite which I found holding 
> open
> the door to my greatgrandfathers moonshine still in exchange for $125K, 
> but
> only if you have it tested in a lab.
>
> I know this is a meteorite because I first tested it with a magnet. As I
> brought the magnet near the meteorite a very strange thing happened! The
> meteorite flipped over and then was pushed violently away from the magnet.
> Strange, but no earth rocks did that!!
>
> I especially read very carefilly the posts on how to test for nickel. I 
> went
> to (bleep) store and after talking with the pharmacy clerk, I was shown a
> kit that tests for allergies to metals such as nickel. I bought the most
> expensive one they had, figuring it must be the best as it was a very
> expensive kit.
>
> After washing the meteorite in gasoline (I didn't want it to rust by using
> water), I went to an auto shop and had them grind a spot off on their
> grinder, which they did. At first there were flames so I guess we did not
> get all the gas dried off. After we got it dried, we tried again. This 
> time
> no flames. But the funny thing is, there were no sparks while grinding
> either, just flashes of green light. Again I must say, no earth rocks ever
> did that.
>
> I followed all the directions for using the testing kit, and when done the
> color was a bright fire engine red, which quickly turned to a dull orange
> color. Once more I must say that no earthly rock does this.
>
> Because of all the above tests, I feel that I have a genuine space rock 
> from
> Mars.
> It must be worth millions because it passed all those complicated tests.
>
> Submitted by
> Pete IMCA 1733
>
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From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Tue May 20 21:47:03 2008
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 18:47:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite offered (NOT an ad)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.29.1211329605.14990.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <85608.9391.qm@web58406.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

IMO, Darren G's reply is the best.  It's plausible
and could be said with a straight face and yet yield
some hilarious results. LOL ;)

Regards,

MikeG


---------------------


You could be...

...sorry to inform him that these kinds of meteorites
hold a small but
 troubling
chance of being a deadly source of radiation [note--
say radiation, NOT
radioactivity].  To be safe, he should immediately
wrap it in several
 layers of
aluminum foil and store it in a metal bucket filled
with sand [provide
 a link to
a local hardware store selling "sandbox" type sand]. 
Then, tell him
 that if he
has experienced unexplained aches or flu-like symptoms
since finding
 the
meteorite [he probably has] he may already been
contaminated with
 radiation.
Tell him that, to neutralize the radiation, he must
bathe with a dilute
 mixture
of warm soapy water, tomato juice, and rock salt. 
Inform that if he
 still feels
symptoms afterwards, he should call poison control at
1-800-222-1222
 for further
instructions, and contact the local police to remove
the meteorite.

.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Website - http://www.glassthrower.com/meteorites
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
..........................................................



      

From mlblood at cox.net  Wed May 21 03:37:51 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 00:37:51 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Oriented 4,600g Meteorite (ad)
In-Reply-To: <85608.9391.qm@web58406.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C4591F5F.16CE0%mlblood@cox.net>

Hi all,
        Here is a 4,600g oriented NWA which will
Complete the identification process this week.
        It was offered to me as an Enstatite, but
Preliminary tests have all but totally ruled that out.
It is thought to be an H5, but final analysis will
Not be completed until Thurs or Fri.
        It is oriented, but somewhat weathered, though mostly
Black fusion crust (with calichi like red bottom as found with
Millbillillies and Camel Dongas). I am offering it for only $1 per gram.
Payment within 24 hrs via PayPal to my account using
My email address in this post.
        Have a look from 4 different angles here:

http://cards.webshots.com/invite/pickup/140706253TDow/album/563528678

        As always, you have to click on the smaller images to
Get the larger images.
        Respond off line.
        Offer good ONLY for 24 hrs.
        Best wishes, Michael





From Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr  Wed May 21 06:16:48 2008
From: Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr (Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 12:16:48 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hefty
In-Reply-To: <00a301c8ba67$6bb17950$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>
References: <00a301c8ba67$6bb17950$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>
Message-ID: <20080521121648.ph228kj5qi8s0gsc@w3mail.univ-mulhouse.fr>

Hi Martin, list,

Here in Dalian, (on map, just between Beijing and Pyongyang), I  
inquired at some specific places this morning (free from symposium  
lectures) for possible existence of meteorites but nobody had ever  
heard of the name meteorite...
Even the name "Nantan" is as mysterious to them as might be  
"regmaglypth" or alike.

I did not insist but am aware "Mekong" is also at the end of the world here...
As for minerals, I believe Beijing could be a place where to ask.  
Unlike Dalian (6.7 million people still!), Beljing is far larger.  
But....good luck without tips!

Best wishes,

Zelimir

Martin Altmann <altmann at meteorite-martin.de> a ??crit??:

> Looked after a while again into ebay... remarkably!!
>
> For the beginners,
> Beware:
>
> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZheavy_machine_man13
>
> These are no Zagami, neither Abbee, nor CM2, AWIN, CO3.
>
>
> Hehe, the Chinese are bored. From now on the Mekong-magnetites aren't sold
> as Nantans any longer, but they are named now "New Campo":
>
> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZpearlyn75
>
> Best
> Martin
>
>
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From mark at meteorites.cc  Wed May 21 14:48:16 2008
From: mark at meteorites.cc (Mark Crawford)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 19:48:16 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Observed lunar meteorite impacts hit 100
Message-ID: <48346E70.6020204@meteorites.cc>

http://tinyurl.com/4kwbvm <http://tinyurl.com/4kwbvm>

Includes very cool impact video.

Mark



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From mexicodoug at aim.com  Wed May 21 17:37:26 2008
From: mexicodoug at aim.com (mexicodoug at aim.com)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 17:37:26 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite offered (NOT an ad)
In-Reply-To: <C4587EC7.16CA7%mlblood@cox.net>
Message-ID: <8CA89A1FF277ADA-824-23FE@webmail-md17.sysops.aol.com>

"Come on guys, I feel "duty bound" to respond to all requests within 24 
hrs, so, the person with the most creative suggestion will win.....The 
prestigious MICHAEL BLOOD - YOU GET NOTHING Award!"

Hello Michael,

As 24.5 hours have passed, I am lost in the kraal, and and even without 
a hope for a response in search of the grail, that potentatingly 
elutive "Presticogitation Michael Blood - can't! get! no! award" (to 
the music of the Stones, you know the Meteoric Human Stones.)

Michael, can you tell me which door to go to for that one?  I just 
checked out the Spock-o-con and he said you post was humanely logical 
and the rock he just described with one word, "fascinating".

So, I'd write to the enthusiastically meteorkind in the spirit of a 
post I believe Ken Newton made two or three years ago.  Maybe it wasn't 
Ken, maybe it was my buddy Darren, either one is possible ...

That old post was in response to a Nigeria Scam where someone decided 
to engage the perpor in the platonic manner, claiming they were from 
some heavenly house of God who would gladly get the support of said 
church to send the hopeful and soon to be reverse victim meteoritical 
amounts of money, if the scammer could only cooperate in a small detail 
or two.  You see, in order to receive said money, the original scam-man 
had to take pictures of himself with special crop-circle like symbols 
tatooed on his naked body, as this was the way to offer oneself's 
spirit and body.  The claimed effects were great and the original perp 
was claimed to have send very interesting photos which were proudly 
posted as trophies on se perpetrators website.  Sid trophies certainly 
looked like a Nigerian scammer for someone who couldn't tell the 
difference.  Not to mention, the Nigerian had to send small 
administrative amounts to cover postage to send religious induction 
items and / or checks as electronic means were ruled out by this 
God-fearing church of plenty.

Very humorous!  What I am thinking is to apply this engaging 
methodology to your Rosewell Grandpa descendent of the unSun, and 
describe some interesting meteorite testing techniques that he can do 
with his object and email you the results.  Alas, my answer is 
incomplete, so I will exit stage left, as I think Michael B could 
probably design these clever meteorite tests better than I, to create 
stunning visual effects for the engaging Romulan, or Rosewellian, or 
whatever galactic trash that arrives here in a salmony upstream swim 
against the Solar wind to spawn on Earth ... and I'll be looking for 
them between the muffin and crook among the meteorite friends original 
website...

So pardon, while I slip through door #1,
Best wishes and good Luck Michael :-)
Doug
PS, If you don't lthe above, here's one that requires less thought, 
Just tell him to take it to Yoda, give hime the Meteorite Market web 
link with that picture and put Yoda's email under Yoda's mug for all 
meteorite inquiries.  Then, Proud Tom's ghost writer can write all of 
these answers and the meteorite world will once again be filled with 
laughter this time at the expense of some purveyor of the finest 
meteorite wrongs that are periodically sold by Christi's for 
Millions...and we will all look for updates regularly to see Yoda's 
advice on how to test these objects that incredibly and mysteriously 
defy physics and rational thought among non-Yodans to be tested.



-----Original Message-----
From: Michael L Blood <mlblood at cox.net>
To: Meteorite List <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tue, 20 May 2008 3:12 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite offered (NOT an ad)



Hi List readers,
        Meteorite dealers have plenty to keep them busy. However,
I thought you might also enjoy hearing the occasionally hysterical
Requests we receive.
        The list member who comes up with the funniest, most creative
Response will be the winner. (see bottom of post).
         (Please note that almost daily people call with the
Meteorite their grandfather "saw land" in 1943 and they do NOT want
Us to screw them on price - they KNOW it is worth hundreds if not
Thousands of dollars PER GRAM)
        Then there are the guys who show up unannounced with a hunk of
Metal slag in the back of their pick up and imply they are going to 
commit
Physical violence when you tell them it is not a meteorite and they are
Convinced you are trying to rip them off and you tell them over and over
You are not interested AT ANY PRICE, but they still act as though this
Is a despicable "bargaining" approach with which you are abusing them -
until you finally have to tell them to get it the hell out of here and 
you
will call the police if they litter your property with it..... Then they
finally leave thinking YOU are crazy and don't know a thing about
meteorites.
         No, not these average, run of the mill solicitors - 
occasionally you
get a fun one like the one below.
          Anyone got a spare $150K for one of these "recent type" 
meteorites
just now arriving from the farthest reaches of the universe? After all, 
it
is actually an Alien space craft made of materials unknown to man. AND,
I was actually provided an extremely blurry photo of a black blob (name
Withheld to protect the ignorant) (no, I don't make these things up):
---------
Yes, Michael I am interested in selling a rather unique and large 
meteorite
I found in Arizona late 1998. It is one of three which were reported to 
have
fallen over Arizona sometime in Feb. of 98. Two young boys found one the
next day, after the report came out in the newspaper. Someone was 
offering
$150,000.00 to anyone finding one. They sold the one found to that 
person. I
do not know who that was. They are said to be the most recent type, 
coming
from the furthest part of the universe and just now reaching earth. It
probably weights in at approx. 4 lbs. I believe this one to be worth 
much
more than what was offered. This one did not burst open on impact, 
landing
in a very soft wash embankment. I also believe it to be exactly the same
kind as what the air force described to be an alien space craft which
crashed in roswell, New mexico in 1967, I believe. The description 
given in
the Readers Digest was a description exactly as that of the one I have
found. Thye claimed it to be a black glass-like material containing a 
silver
metal-like substance which has no elemental description known to exist 
on
earth. What do think of that. They also reported finding aliens Hanger 
51 or
13 or something like that. I feel we were lied to because of my find. I 
am
interested in selling it but have no contacts as of yet and would 
appreciate
any help you may be able to offer. I am going to try and send a photo 
along
with this letter. (name and contact info)
---
        Now, the fun contest:
         I am incline to suggest he take it to the next Star Trek 
Convention
as by far the best place to sell it. However, I am open to other 
creative
suggestions from the list - perhaps we should warn him to keep it secret
Lest Home Security take it into custody and he would loose his precious?
         Come on guys, I feel "duty bound" to respond to all requests 
within
24 hrs, so, the person with the most creative suggestion will win.....
The prestigious MICHAEL BLOOD - YOU GET NOTHING Award!
        I retain all rights to choose the winner in any way I see fit.
Bribes will be accepted, people can post clever responses ON list (I can
Just hear the dogs barking already!) or off list if they are shy.
        Judging will be based on how much the recommendation is:
1) funny (66.6%)
2) original (33.3%)
        You can enter as many responses as you like!
         Don't hold back. Come up with something here folks - we 
shouldn't
Dump this off on the next Star Trek Convention.... Or should we? (Maybe
I should be the winner? - prove me WRONG!)
        Best wishes, Michael




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From cojack at tiscali.it  Wed May 21 18:11:59 2008
From: cojack at tiscali.it (Moser Francesco)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 00:11:59 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: DaG670 Martian Shergottite Fragments and Slice
Message-ID: <001401c8bb8f$b0a8f780$0200a8c0@FISSO>

Hi all!
I have just uploaded on my web-site all the fragments that I have up for
sale.
I have also a part slice of 1.1g.
You will receive a beautiful kit that consist in a membran box case that
contain and preserve your sample and a label with specific information.

The price is one of the cheapest of the market!!!

http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/Secondarie/OnSale/Achondrite/DaG670.htm

Thanks !!!


Ciao

<><><><>
Francesco Moser
http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/
IMCA #1510 www.imca.cc




From mark at meteorites.cc  Wed May 21 18:29:06 2008
From: mark at meteorites.cc (Mark Crawford)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 23:29:06 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Observed lunar meteorite impacts hit 100
In-Reply-To: <48346E70.6020204@meteorites.cc>
References: <48346E70.6020204@meteorites.cc>
Message-ID: <4834A232.3090607@meteorites.cc>

This got me thinking... some of the lunar impacts are being attributed 
to well-known meteor showers.

Are there any good candidates for (earthly) meteorites which may be part 
of such showers, and therefore potentially once part of the presumed 
parent body? I guess candidate criteria would be time of year and (at 
least rough visual) triangulation back to the radiant.

Or as many/most showers are associated with comets rather than 
asteroids, is the material perhaps much more fragile and therefore less 
likely to reach the earth's surface?

Mark


-- 
Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc


From clp at alumni.caltech.edu  Wed May 21 19:14:59 2008
From: clp at alumni.caltech.edu (Chris Peterson)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 17:14:59 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Observed lunar meteorite impacts hit 100
References: <48346E70.6020204@meteorites.cc> <4834A232.3090607@meteorites.cc>
Message-ID: <018a01c8bb98$85423170$0a01a8c0@bellatrix>

Hi Mark-

There have been a few meteorites that some have speculated might be 
related to showers. But most likely, none are.

Nobody even really knows if asteroids and comets are all that different, 
other than comets containing volatiles. Recently, it has been suggested 
that a few objects we consider asteroids may in fact be burned out 
comets. And nobody really knows if the rocky material in comets is 
actually fragile at all.

The best argument against shower-origin meteorites is velocity: most 
shower members are simply traveling too fast to avoid burning up high in 
the atmosphere. The few showers that have slow components also, for the 
most part, are low activity- barely above the sporadic background.

The way I'd start a serious investigation of this would be to compare 
fall dates and times with low velocity showers. Where you have a match, 
it might be worth trying to determine if witness reports of the fireball 
suggest a direction that is at least reasonably consistent with the 
shower radiant.

Chris

*****************************************
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Crawford" <mark at meteorites.cc>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Observed lunar meteorite impacts hit 100


> This got me thinking... some of the lunar impacts are being attributed 
> to well-known meteor showers.
>
> Are there any good candidates for (earthly) meteorites which may be 
> part of such showers, and therefore potentially once part of the 
> presumed parent body? I guess candidate criteria would be time of year 
> and (at least rough visual) triangulation back to the radiant.
>
> Or as many/most showers are associated with comets rather than 
> asteroids, is the material perhaps much more fragile and therefore 
> less likely to reach the earth's surface?
>
> Mark


From lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu  Wed May 21 22:09:28 2008
From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu (lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 19:09:28 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Observed lunar meteorite impacts hit 100
In-Reply-To: <018a01c8bb98$85423170$0a01a8c0@bellatrix>
References: <48346E70.6020204@meteorites.cc> <4834A232.3090607@meteorites.cc>
	<018a01c8bb98$85423170$0a01a8c0@bellatrix>
Message-ID: <53779.71.226.60.25.1211422168.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu>

Hi Chris:

If I remember correctly (probably an old estimate) about 10% of the NEOs
are thought to have a cometary origin.

Also, many asteroids do contain volatiles (20% or more by weight), just
not as much as your "typical" comet.

Larry

On Wed, May 21, 2008 4:14 pm, Chris Peterson wrote:
> Hi Mark-
>
>
> There have been a few meteorites that some have speculated might be
> related to showers. But most likely, none are.
>
> Nobody even really knows if asteroids and comets are all that different,
> other than comets containing volatiles. Recently, it has been suggested
> that a few objects we consider asteroids may in fact be burned out comets.
> And nobody really knows if the rocky material in comets is
> actually fragile at all.
>
> The best argument against shower-origin meteorites is velocity: most
> shower members are simply traveling too fast to avoid burning up high in
> the atmosphere. The few showers that have slow components also, for the
> most part, are low activity- barely above the sporadic background.
>
> The way I'd start a serious investigation of this would be to compare
> fall dates and times with low velocity showers. Where you have a match, it
> might be worth trying to determine if witness reports of the fireball
> suggest a direction that is at least reasonably consistent with the shower
> radiant.
>
> Chris
>
>
> *****************************************
> Chris L Peterson
> Cloudbait Observatory
> http://www.cloudbait.com
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Crawford" <mark at meteorites.cc>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Observed lunar meteorite impacts hit 100
>
>
>
>> This got me thinking... some of the lunar impacts are being attributed
>> to well-known meteor showers.
>>
>> Are there any good candidates for (earthly) meteorites which may be
>> part of such showers, and therefore potentially once part of the presumed
>> parent body? I guess candidate criteria would be time of year and (at
>> least rough visual) triangulation back to the radiant.
>>
>> Or as many/most showers are associated with comets rather than
>> asteroids, is the material perhaps much more fragile and therefore less
>> likely to reach the earth's surface?
>>
>> Mark
>>
>
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From eric at meteoritewatch.com  Thu May 22 00:05:07 2008
From: eric at meteoritewatch.com (Eric Wichman)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 21:05:07 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] My Meteorite Is BIGGER Than Your UPDATE: Charity
In-Reply-To: <mailman.50.1211385728.24774.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
References: <mailman.50.1211385728.24774.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <4834F0F3.9090408@meteoritewatch.com>

Ok,

Everyone here has obviously seen the "special" chondrule auction I put 
up a few days ago. I've received tons of emails from many of you with 
lots of LOL and "that's hilarious" remarks. This has so far been our 
most successful auction to date in numbers of responses and visitors. As 
of the writing of this email over 345 people have viewed this auction 
and it has 8 bids totaling $17.50. Wow! Keep in mind this is for 2 grams 
of chondrules.

SPECIAL AUCTION:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Special-2g-48-Chondrules-NWA-XXX-Meteorite-MUSA_W0QQitemZ250249271362

On a more serious note. I've decided to give all proceeds of this 
auction away to the American Red Cross China Earthquake Relief. This is 
a very worthy cause and something that you can be proud of giving to. 
For those of you who may not have heard about the quake, it was 7.9 on 
the Richter scale and killed thousands of people in CHENGDU, China. Read 
more about it online just by searching any major search engine for 
"China Earthquake". We won't know exactly how many perished until this 
is all over. It is a terrible tragedy and should not have happened but 
we can help.

I want to do what I can to help, so I'm contributing 100% of the 
proceeds of this auction to the Red Cross. Every little bit helps. Those 
of you who would like to participate are more than welcome to bid on the 
auction when it is complete I will announce the winning bidder (with 
permission) high bid, and post the results on list. If you like this 
idea and think it's for a worthy cause I invite everyone to come and bid.

Thanks again everyone...

Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA




From piper at xs4all.nl  Thu May 22 01:46:16 2008
From: piper at xs4all.nl (Piper R.W. Hollier)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 07:46:16 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Observed lunar meteorite impacts (distribution)
In-Reply-To: <48346E70.6020204@meteorites.cc>
References: <48346E70.6020204@meteorites.cc>
Message-ID: <200805220548.m4M5m2mQ081817@smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl>

Dear Mark and list,

For me the distribution of impact sites shown on the second image "A 
map of the 100 explosions observed since late 2005" runs counter to 
my intuition. Why is the distribution not more uniform? There are 
large areas, especially near the poles, with no impacts recorded, 
while other areas have rather dense clustering of impact 
observations. Comets often have highly inclined orbits, so it seems 
that we should expect some impacts near the poles.

Any ideas out there?

Piper


From clp at alumni.caltech.edu  Thu May 22 02:04:03 2008
From: clp at alumni.caltech.edu (Chris Peterson)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 00:04:03 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Observed lunar meteorite impacts (distribution)
References: <48346E70.6020204@meteorites.cc>
	<200805220548.m4M5m2mQ081817@smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <028b01c8bbd1$a982a6d0$0a01a8c0@bellatrix>

Most of these explosions were captured during meteor showers. I'd guess 
the uneven distribution simply reflects where the imagers were looking 
at those times, and possibly the FOV of the imaging systems. Given an 
average phase of 50%, you'd expect most of the recorded hits to be 
towards the limbs. There is a bias towards the first quarter over the 
third quarter, which is probably explained by the fact that more imaging 
time was spent before midnight than after.

Chris

*****************************************
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Piper R.W. Hollier" <piper at xs4all.nl>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Observed lunar meteorite impacts 
(distribution)


> Dear Mark and list,
>
> For me the distribution of impact sites shown on the second image "A 
> map of the 100 explosions observed since late 2005" runs counter to my 
> intuition. Why is the distribution not more uniform? There are large 
> areas, especially near the poles, with no impacts recorded, while 
> other areas have rather dense clustering of impact observations. 
> Comets often have highly inclined orbits, so it seems that we should 
> expect some impacts near the poles.
>
> Any ideas out there?
>
> Piper


From mlblood at cox.net  Thu May 22 03:29:15 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 00:29:15 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] The contest winner is.....
In-Reply-To: <4834F0F3.9090408@meteoritewatch.com>
Message-ID: <C45A6EDB.16D1C%mlblood@cox.net>

And the contest winner is..... Sean Murray:
----------------------
<NAME>,

Thank you for contacting me regarding your amazing meteorite find In
Arizona, USA.  I am glad that you chose me as your first contact as I know
how to properly respond to your query.  However, since I deal with more of
the basic meteorites that are made available to regular citizens and
collectors, I do not qualify in any way to be able to respond to your
request given your current description.  A find of this importance requires
that we contact the appropriate US government associations immediately.

Unfortunately, since you have identified this meteorite as exactly like one
of the know falls related to the Roswell NM impact site, I am bound to
forward your information to the US Air force agencies that track and monitor
all meteorite falls that are considered potential threats to national
security.  Since this fall you describe is on US soil in Arizona, this falls
within the aspects of the new Homeland Security directives that we are all
required to adhere.

By copy of this note I release personal responsibility for this fall to the
appropriate agencies.  I've alerted the Air force strategic command center
and the new home land security division for unclassified falls and landings
on US territories.

Also, given your description, the other concern is that you indicated this
meteorite has been identified as coming from outside of our current solar
system and possibly from the father reaches of the Milky Way local galaxy,
or even beyond.  As meteorites from outside of the Kuiper Belt are
incredibly rare and could be extremely dangerous, it further clarifies how
important it is that we contact the proper authorities immediately.
Fortunately, as you indicated, this specimen did not break open on impact,
so I don't think any local hazmat teams will be required.  Since I am not an
expert in those matters, I will leave it to the institutions that receive a
copy of this email to make the final determination.

As I have not had the opportunity to find such an important item in my
career, I am not sure of the exact protocols on how these agencies will
engage you.  As I imagine it, you are required to provide is all meteoritic
materials and a full notarized statement as to how you acquired the specimen
including the names and contact information of all people that have seen, or
have been associated with the event, and any relevant medical records
documenting any illness (common or uncommon) or persistent injuries since
the meteorite has been in your possession.

I hope this email finds you and your family still well.  Please find a safe
place to store this epic find until the proper authorities arrive and
determine any potential issues.  It is still possible that once all of the
investigations are complete your meteorite might be determined to be
available to the collector community.  I look forward to that day.  Please
treat this email with the same level of sincerity as your original query to
me regarding this incredible meteorite.

Best of luck,
Michael.
----------------------





From mark.ford at ssl.gb.com  Thu May 22 05:42:50 2008
From: mark.ford at ssl.gb.com (Mark Ford)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 10:42:50 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Observed lunar meteorite impacts hit 100
In-Reply-To: <53779.71.226.60.25.1211422168.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu>
References: <48346E70.6020204@meteorites.cc>
	<4834A232.3090607@meteorites.cc><018a01c8bb98$85423170$0a01a8c0@bellatrix>
	<53779.71.226.60.25.1211422168.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu>
Message-ID: <29A9DB45B84970458190D7D39BD42C492C27F1@gamma.ssl.atw>


Good point Larry.

But I can't understand why people are still carefully distinguishing
between comets and Asteroids?, I think by now we can assume they are
basically one and the same, and not some exotic different species. To me
it's just that some rocks are more 'wet and oily' than others...

I'd find it very very hard to believe there are no pieces of comet in
our collections.

Best,
Mark Ford




-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu
Sent: 22 May 2008 03:09
To: Chris Peterson
Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Observed lunar meteorite impacts hit 100

Hi Chris:

If I remember correctly (probably an old estimate) about 10% of the NEOs
are thought to have a cometary origin.

Also, many asteroids do contain volatiles (20% or more by weight), just
not as much as your "typical" comet.

Larry

On Wed, May 21, 2008 4:14 pm, Chris Peterson wrote:
> Hi Mark-
>
>
> There have been a few meteorites that some have speculated might be
> related to showers. But most likely, none are.
>
> Nobody even really knows if asteroids and comets are all that
different,
> other than comets containing volatiles. Recently, it has been
suggested
> that a few objects we consider asteroids may in fact be burned out
comets.
> And nobody really knows if the rocky material in comets is
> actually fragile at all.
>
> The best argument against shower-origin meteorites is velocity: most
> shower members are simply traveling too fast to avoid burning up high
in
> the atmosphere. The few showers that have slow components also, for
the
> most part, are low activity- barely above the sporadic background.
>
> The way I'd start a serious investigation of this would be to compare
> fall dates and times with low velocity showers. Where you have a
match, it
> might be worth trying to determine if witness reports of the fireball
> suggest a direction that is at least reasonably consistent with the
shower
> radiant.
>
> Chris
>
>
> *****************************************
> Chris L Peterson
> Cloudbait Observatory
> http://www.cloudbait.com
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Crawford" <mark at meteorites.cc>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Observed lunar meteorite impacts hit 100
>
>
>
>> This got me thinking... some of the lunar impacts are being
attributed
>> to well-known meteor showers.
>>
>> Are there any good candidates for (earthly) meteorites which may be
>> part of such showers, and therefore potentially once part of the
presumed
>> parent body? I guess candidate criteria would be time of year and (at
>> least rough visual) triangulation back to the radiant.
>>
>> Or as many/most showers are associated with comets rather than
>> asteroids, is the material perhaps much more fragile and therefore
less
>> likely to reach the earth's surface?
>>
>> Mark
>>
>
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Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 07:00:34 -0400
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From lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu  Thu May 22 07:10:59 2008
From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu (lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 04:10:59 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Observed lunar meteorite impacts hit 100
In-Reply-To: <29A9DB45B84970458190D7D39BD42C492C27F1@gamma.ssl.atw>
References: <48346E70.6020204@meteorites.cc>
	<4834A232.3090607@meteorites.cc><018a01c8bb98$85423170$0a01a8c0@bellatrix>
	<53779.71.226.60.25.1211422168.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu>
	<29A9DB45B84970458190D7D39BD42C492C27F1@gamma.ssl.atw>
Message-ID: <54642.71.226.60.25.1211454659.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu>

Hi Mark:

It comes down to location, location, location. Where did they from? Where
did they end up after the the Solar System settled down? How did they get
here?

Add to this the fact that there are "cometary asteroids," objects in the
asteroid belt that seem to have cometary behavior.

Yes, it is not all that simple. However, as Chris points out, most shower
meteors, based on orbits and velocities, clearly come from objects that
did not originate in the asteroid belt and so are cometary in origin.
There are exceptions and those are the interesting ones!

On Thu, May 22, 2008 2:42 am, Mark Ford wrote:
>

> Good point Larry.
>
>
> But I can't understand why people are still carefully distinguishing
> between comets and Asteroids?, I think by now we can assume they are
> basically one and the same, and not some exotic different species. To me
> it's just that some rocks are more 'wet and oily' than others...
>
> I'd find it very very hard to believe there are no pieces of comet in
> our collections.
>
> Best,
> Mark Ford
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
> lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu Sent: 22 May 2008 03:09
> To: Chris Peterson
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Observed lunar meteorite impacts hit 100
>
>
> Hi Chris:
>
>
> If I remember correctly (probably an old estimate) about 10% of the NEOs
> are thought to have a cometary origin.
>
> Also, many asteroids do contain volatiles (20% or more by weight), just
> not as much as your "typical" comet.
>
> Larry
>
>
> On Wed, May 21, 2008 4:14 pm, Chris Peterson wrote:
>
>> Hi Mark-
>>
>>
>>
>> There have been a few meteorites that some have speculated might be
>> related to showers. But most likely, none are.
>>
>> Nobody even really knows if asteroids and comets are all that
>>
> different,
>> other than comets containing volatiles. Recently, it has been
> suggested
>> that a few objects we consider asteroids may in fact be burned out
> comets.
>> And nobody really knows if the rocky material in comets is
>> actually fragile at all.
>>
>> The best argument against shower-origin meteorites is velocity: most
>> shower members are simply traveling too fast to avoid burning up high
> in
>> the atmosphere. The few showers that have slow components also, for
> the
>> most part, are low activity- barely above the sporadic background.
>>
>> The way I'd start a serious investigation of this would be to compare
>> fall dates and times with low velocity showers. Where you have a
> match, it
>> might be worth trying to determine if witness reports of the fireball
>> suggest a direction that is at least reasonably consistent with the
> shower
>> radiant.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>> *****************************************
>> Chris L Peterson
>> Cloudbait Observatory
>> http://www.cloudbait.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mark Crawford" <mark at meteorites.cc>
>> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:29 PM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Observed lunar meteorite impacts hit 100
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> This got me thinking... some of the lunar impacts are being
>>>
> attributed
>>> to well-known meteor showers.
>>>
>>> Are there any good candidates for (earthly) meteorites which may be
>>> part of such showers, and therefore potentially once part of the
> presumed
>>> parent body? I guess candidate criteria would be time of year and (at
>>>  least rough visual) triangulation back to the radiant.
>>>
>>> Or as many/most showers are associated with comets rather than
>>> asteroids, is the material perhaps much more fragile and therefore
> less
>>> likely to reach the earth's surface?
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>
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>>
>>
>
>
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From mark at meteorites.cc  Thu May 22 07:38:14 2008
From: mark at meteorites.cc (Mark Crawford)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 07:38:14 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Observed lunar meteorite impacts hit 100
In-Reply-To: <29A9DB45B84970458190D7D39BD42C492C27F1@gamma.ssl.atw>
References: <48346E70.6020204@meteorites.cc>
	<4834A232.3090607@meteorites.cc><018a01c8bb98$85423170$0a01a8c0@bellatrix>
	<53779.71.226.60.25.1211422168.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu>
	<29A9DB45B84970458190D7D39BD42C492C27F1@gamma.ssl.atw>
Message-ID: <20080522073814.xniagvtuzok8sgws@annasach.net>

I don't, personally, see it as a hard distinction. The labels are more  
for convenience - comets tend to be 'wetter and oilier', and more  
often are in eccentric orbits. Asteroids tend not to exhibit coma/tail  
because in a more stable orbits, they would either have lost most of  
their volatiles long ago (close in), or not be significantly shedding  
them (farther out).

They may be manifestations of the same thing, but the labels are still  
useful (cf water/ice/steam).

Mark


Quoting Mark Ford <mark.ford at ssl.gb.com>:

>
> Good point Larry.
>
> But I can't understand why people are still carefully distinguishing
> between comets and Asteroids?, I think by now we can assume they are
> basically one and the same, and not some exotic different species. To me
> it's just that some rocks are more 'wet and oily' than others...
>


From batkol at sbcglobal.net  Thu May 22 09:24:43 2008
From: batkol at sbcglobal.net (batkol)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 08:24:43 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] The contest winner is.....
In-Reply-To: <C45A6EDB.16D1C%mlblood@cox.net>
References: <C45A6EDB.16D1C%mlblood@cox.net>
Message-ID: <3E6CE63CDE474CB9954144F457F4B598@batkolPC>

perfect.  congratulations Sean.  take care
susan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael L Blood" <mlblood at cox.net>
To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 2:29 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The contest winner is.....


> And the contest winner is..... Sean Murray:
> ----------------------
> <NAME>,
>
> Thank you for contacting me regarding your amazing meteorite find In
> Arizona, USA.  I am glad that you chose me as your first contact as I know
> how to properly respond to your query.  However, since I deal with more of
> the basic meteorites that are made available to regular citizens and
> collectors, I do not qualify in any way to be able to respond to your
> request given your current description.  A find of this importance 
> requires
> that we contact the appropriate US government associations immediately.
>
> Unfortunately, since you have identified this meteorite as exactly like 
> one
> of the know falls related to the Roswell NM impact site, I am bound to
> forward your information to the US Air force agencies that track and 
> monitor
> all meteorite falls that are considered potential threats to national
> security.  Since this fall you describe is on US soil in Arizona, this 
> falls
> within the aspects of the new Homeland Security directives that we are all
> required to adhere.
>
> By copy of this note I release personal responsibility for this fall to 
> the
> appropriate agencies.  I've alerted the Air force strategic command center
> and the new home land security division for unclassified falls and 
> landings
> on US territories.
>
> Also, given your description, the other concern is that you indicated this
> meteorite has been identified as coming from outside of our current solar
> system and possibly from the father reaches of the Milky Way local galaxy,
> or even beyond.  As meteorites from outside of the Kuiper Belt are
> incredibly rare and could be extremely dangerous, it further clarifies how
> important it is that we contact the proper authorities immediately.
> Fortunately, as you indicated, this specimen did not break open on impact,
> so I don't think any local hazmat teams will be required.  Since I am not 
> an
> expert in those matters, I will leave it to the institutions that receive 
> a
> copy of this email to make the final determination.
>
> As I have not had the opportunity to find such an important item in my
> career, I am not sure of the exact protocols on how these agencies will
> engage you.  As I imagine it, you are required to provide is all 
> meteoritic
> materials and a full notarized statement as to how you acquired the 
> specimen
> including the names and contact information of all people that have seen, 
> or
> have been associated with the event, and any relevant medical records
> documenting any illness (common or uncommon) or persistent injuries since
> the meteorite has been in your possession.
>
> I hope this email finds you and your family still well.  Please find a 
> safe
> place to store this epic find until the proper authorities arrive and
> determine any potential issues.  It is still possible that once all of the
> investigations are complete your meteorite might be determined to be
> available to the collector community.  I look forward to that day.  Please
> treat this email with the same level of sincerity as your original query 
> to
> me regarding this incredible meteorite.
>
> Best of luck,
> Michael.
> ----------------------
>
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________
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> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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From mark.ford at ssl.gb.com  Thu May 22 10:27:01 2008
From: mark.ford at ssl.gb.com (Mark Ford)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 15:27:01 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Observed lunar meteorite impacts hit 100
In-Reply-To: <20080522073814.xniagvtuzok8sgws@annasach.net>
References: <48346E70.6020204@meteorites.cc><4834A232.3090607@meteorites.cc><018a01c8bb98$85423170$0a01a8c0@bellatrix><53779.71.226.60.25.1211422168.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu><29A9DB45B84970458190D7D39BD42C492C27F1@gamma.ssl.atw>
	<20080522073814.xniagvtuzok8sgws@annasach.net>
Message-ID: <29A9DB45B84970458190D7D39BD42C492C2825@gamma.ssl.atw>


Yes, Agreed the labels are useful, but isn't it time to have a (in a
Pluto-planet style controversial type way! ;) reclassification of names
debate? 

 'Asteroid' usually means something in the asteroid belt.

'Comet' means, hmm what exactly does comet mean? - Ok yes an object on
eccentric orbit around sun, which outgasses.. 

'NEO' near earth asteroid, ok slight breach of the earlier definition
(like saying something is a far away from sun comet?)

See its all in a mess!!

I reckon we should be calling them all asteroids or something, and
comets should be re-labeled 'outgassing asteroids' or similar.

Or maybe micro-Planetoids...

Just a thought.

Mark Ford



-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Crawford [mailto:mark at meteorites.cc] 
Sent: 22 May 2008 12:38
To: Mark Ford
Cc: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Observed lunar meteorite impacts hit 100

I don't, personally, see it as a hard distinction. The labels are more  
for convenience - comets tend to be 'wetter and oilier', and more  
often are in eccentric orbits. Asteroids tend not to exhibit coma/tail  
because in a more stable orbits, they would either have lost most of  
their volatiles long ago (close in), or not be significantly shedding  
them (farther out).

They may be manifestations of the same thing, but the labels are still  
useful (cf water/ice/steam).

Mark


Quoting Mark Ford <mark.ford at ssl.gb.com>:

>
> Good point Larry.
>
> But I can't understand why people are still carefully distinguishing
> between comets and Asteroids?, I think by now we can assume they are
> basically one and the same, and not some exotic different species. To
me
> it's just that some rocks are more 'wet and oily' than others...
>


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From clp at alumni.caltech.edu  Thu May 22 10:32:11 2008
From: clp at alumni.caltech.edu (Chris Peterson)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 08:32:11 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Observed lunar meteorite impacts hit 100
References: <48346E70.6020204@meteorites.cc><4834A232.3090607@meteorites.cc><018a01c8bb98$85423170$0a01a8c0@bellatrix><53779.71.226.60.25.1211422168.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu>
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Message-ID: <02ca01c8bc18$a7b76470$0a01a8c0@bellatrix>

There are clearly two very distinct populations of objects, which have 
very different properties. Comets originate in the outer edge of the 
Solar System, and ices account for a significant proportion of their 
entire mass. Very few ever make it to the inner system, and when they 
do, they can usually be identified by their high eccentricity orbits. 
Asteroids are differentiated rocky or iron bodies that were formed or 
trapped in orbit between Mars and Jupiter.

It is quite correct to distinguish between the two types of bodies. The 
confusion comes from the likelihood that some comets have ended up in 
asteroidal orbits, and have lost their volatiles. And also, that 
gravitational perturbations have put some asteroids into more comet-like 
orbits. It isn't that these aren't very different objects, but that in 
some cases we are uncertain about an object's true classification. 
Additionally, we know little about composition. A burned out comet may 
or may not be similar to an asteroid from a mineralogical standpoint.

Chris

*****************************************
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Ford" <mark.ford at ssl.gb.com>
To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 3:42 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Observed lunar meteorite impacts hit 100

> Good point Larry.
>
> But I can't understand why people are still carefully distinguishing
> between comets and Asteroids?, I think by now we can assume they are
> basically one and the same, and not some exotic different species. To 
> me
> it's just that some rocks are more 'wet and oily' than others...
>
> I'd find it very very hard to believe there are no pieces of comet in
> our collections.
>
> Best,
> Mark Ford
-list 


From bolidechaser at yahoo.com  Thu May 22 11:01:39 2008
From: bolidechaser at yahoo.com (Robert Verish)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 08:01:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD:  Relisted - LA shergottite saw-cuttings
In-Reply-To: <BAY115-W6DD351279818BF7C28A2CCAC50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <347495.23388.qm@web51705.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

----------------- Original Message ----------------

From:	"tracy latimer" <daistiho at hotmail.com>  
To:	"Robert Verish" <bolidechaser at yahoo.com>,
"Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral"
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Date:	Mon, 19 May 2008 18:01:16 +0000

Subject: RE: AD: Relisted - LA shergottite
saw-cuttings

I must echo what Bernd said about LA002.  If you don't
have a specimen in your collection, at these prices
and for this beauty, WHY NOT?!?!?!

I meant to say Thank You earlier to Bob for my chip. 
It is small but mighty, and I treasure it!

Tracy Latimer

------------- End of Original Message --------------

Hello Tracy,  

I apologize for not replying sooner, but I've been
having problems with my service provider.

Your kind words are much appreciated.

Thanks,
Bob Verish

<http://marzmeteorite.tripod.com/index.html>




From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Thu May 22 11:55:32 2008
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 08:55:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Manned mission to asteroid
Message-ID: <749969.99191.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi all - 

Why?

Over the years I have seen many proposals for using
space. Most of them ignore the fundamental fact that
launch costs are very high (though many try to imagine
them away), so if you're going to do anything it had
better be worth it, and then best done internationally
to try and share those costs.

Why?

We've had NEAR and Deep Impact, so we have the
technology to get to a threatening object, whether
asteroid or comet. THE problem is early detection, and
the best system for that is CAPS, using Moon based
sensors. In my opinion, Moon based detectors may be
the only thing capable of reliably finding 50-75 m
carbonaceous chondrites, and from what I was able to
retrieve for the Americas (Man and Impact in the
Americas) these form a large part of the small
impactor threat. Recently, comets and their fragments
have provided the bulk of Earth impacts.

As Mars is out until the back contamination threat is
shown to be non-existant, and that will require
significant improvements in robotic autonomous control
systems, after CAPS that leaves Phobos and Deimos as
candidate missions. The best chance for missions to
them in my life ended with the collapse of the Eneriga
storage sheds.

Oh well.

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas

 





      

From mark.ford at ssl.gb.com  Thu May 22 12:03:15 2008
From: mark.ford at ssl.gb.com (Mark Ford)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 17:03:15 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Observed lunar meteorite impacts hit 100
In-Reply-To: <02ca01c8bc18$a7b76470$0a01a8c0@bellatrix>
References: <48346E70.6020204@meteorites.cc><4834A232.3090607@meteorites.cc><018a01c8bb98$85423170$0a01a8c0@bellatrix><53779.71.226.60.25.1211422168.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu><29A9DB45B84970458190D7D39BD42C492C27F1@gamma.ssl.atw>
	<02ca01c8bc18$a7b76470$0a01a8c0@bellatrix>
Message-ID: <29A9DB45B84970458190D7D39BD42C492C2836@gamma.ssl.atw>


Yes as I say you can label them, but I still wouldn't say the
differences where 'very distinct'.. juries still out on that one.  I
wouldn't mind betting there are quite a few 'icy asteroids' out there
too...

After all:
> we know little about composition. A burned out comet may 
> or may not be similar to an asteroid from a mineralogical standpoint.

Given that some moons of Saturn [may] actually be captured comets
(according to the recent Cassini findings), it strikes me that we still
have difficulty in defining exactly what is and isn't or what was or was
not 'a comet', (I guess not enough samples to define it clearly enough).

Mark my words -  one day we will probably have a 'pluto style' mess
where all those things we classified/call ex-comets etc will suddenly
all be called  ... ''rocks''. Lol.

Best
Mark






-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Peterson
Sent: 22 May 2008 15:32
To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Observed lunar meteorite impacts hit 100

There are clearly two very distinct populations of objects, which have 
very different properties. Comets originate in the outer edge of the 
Solar System, and ices account for a significant proportion of their 
entire mass. Very few ever make it to the inner system, and when they 
do, they can usually be identified by their high eccentricity orbits. 
Asteroids are differentiated rocky or iron bodies that were formed or 
trapped in orbit between Mars and Jupiter.

It is quite correct to distinguish between the two types of bodies. The 
confusion comes from the likelihood that some comets have ended up in 
asteroidal orbits, and have lost their volatiles. And also, that 
gravitational perturbations have put some asteroids into more comet-like

orbits. It isn't that these aren't very different objects, but that in 
some cases we are uncertain about an object's true classification. 
Additionally, we know little about composition. A burned out comet may 
or may not be similar to an asteroid from a mineralogical standpoint.

Chris

*****************************************
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Ford" <mark.ford at ssl.gb.com>
To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 3:42 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Observed lunar meteorite impacts hit 100

> Good point Larry.
>
> But I can't understand why people are still carefully distinguishing
> between comets and Asteroids?, I think by now we can assume they are
> basically one and the same, and not some exotic different species. To 
> me
> it's just that some rocks are more 'wet and oily' than others...
>
> I'd find it very very hard to believe there are no pieces of comet in
> our collections.
>
> Best,
> Mark Ford
-list 

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From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Thu May 22 13:42:21 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 10:42:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad :Trenton/Bondoc from Smithsonian Collection
Message-ID: <32975.56867.qm@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi everyone, well, after 10 days in Glorieta, with
nearly $1500.00 in expenses and all over 30 grams I
found, I need to raise some money by selling some
pieces just cut off of my Smithsonian exchange
goodies.
I just opened the box and the pieces I sent out for
cutting are here, and are beautiful! 

I have 5 partslices of Trenton iron, and 3 slices of
Bondoc mesosiderite iron nodules and two endcuts. I
also have many pieces of Bondoc silicate material, but
it is not cut or polished, if you want a fragment, let
me know. 
All of them come with copies of the exchange paperwork
and copies of the museum labels showing the pieces
they were cut from.
These things will be on my site later today I hope,
but if you need one, email or call me quickly.
Michael Farmer

From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Thu May 22 15:49:04 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:49:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad: Trenton and Bondoc update
Message-ID: <127846.29296.qm@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have received so many emails that I cant answer them
all, so one email to the list can show what i have
available.

Trenton, USNM# 2173
Partslics cut from a 1.8 kilogram piece. The
interesting thing about these is that the specimen was
totally drilled on the backside, where the museum
people had practiced drilling through a specimen,
because they wanted to see if they could split the "El
Taco" piece of Campo del Cielo in the museum
collection. It was too large to cut at that time, and
they figured out that by drilling through the specimen
enough times, they could split it, which they did. So
on my piece of Trenton, I have the drilled section cut
off and cut into partslices, which are perfect on one
side, and are drilled on the backside. It is an
interesting story, and a part of the history of these
pieces, which only adds to the desirability. 

Available Trenton pieces
Large partslice, perfect, no drill marks
204.7 grams $1600.00
41.52 gram partlsice with nice triolite nodule/drill
marks $400.00
39.71 grams, drill marks $400.00
26.32 grams, drill marks $270.00
4.20 grams drill marks $60.00
All come with copy of the Smithsonian label.


Available Bondoc metal nodule pieces.
1/2 nodule/endcut USNM#2578-23 201.1 grams $3000.00
1/2 nodule/endcut USNM#2578-21 140 grams $2100.00
slice 92.4 grams from USNM#2578-12 $1800.00
slice 79.4 grams from USNM#2578-12 $1190.00
slice 41. grams from USNM#2578-12 $630.00

Michael Farmer




From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Thu May 22 16:31:16 2008
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 13:31:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 22, 2008
Message-ID: <4726009.2911291211488276734.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/May_22_2008.html 





From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Thu May 22 16:49:20 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 13:49:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Phoenix Spacecraft on Course for May 25 Mars
	Landing
Message-ID: <200805222049.NAA26776@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2008-079

Phoenix Spacecraft on Course for May 25 Mars Landing
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
May 22, 2008

PASADENA, Calif. -- With three days and 3 million miles left to fly
before arriving at Mars, NASA's Phoenix spacecraft is on track for its
destination in the Martian arctic.

"The latest calculation from our navigation team shows the center of the
area where we're currently headed lies less than eight miles from the
center of our target area," said Barry Goldstein, Phoenix project
manager at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. "We may
decide on Saturday that we don't need to use our final opportunity for
fine tuning the trajectory Phoenix is on. Either way, we will continue
to monitor the trajectory throughout Saturday night, on the off chance
we need to execute our contingency maneuver eight hours before entry."

The spacecraft is in fine health.

"All systems are nominal and stable," said Ed Sedivy, Phoenix spacecraft
program manager for Lockheed Martin Space Systems, Denver, which built
the spacecraft. "We have plenty of propellant, the temperatures look
good and the batteries are fully charged."

The spacecraft is closing in on the scariest seven minutes of the mission.

On Sunday, shortly after the annual 500-mile race at the Indianapolis
Motor Speedway, Phoenix will be approaching Mars at about 12,750 miles
per hour, a speed that could cover 500 miles in 2 minutes and 22
seconds. After it enters the top of the Martian atmosphere at that
velocity, it must use superheated friction with the atmosphere, a strong
parachute and a set of pulsing retrorockets to achieve a safe,
three-legged standstill touchdown on the surface in just seven minutes.

The earliest possible time when mission controllers could get
confirmation from Phoenix indicating it has survived landing will be at
4:53 p.m. Pacific Time on Sunday (7:53 p.m. Eastern Time). Of 11
previous attempts that various nations have made to land spacecraft on
Mars, only five have succeeded.

Phoenix will land farther north on Mars than any previous mission, at a
site expected to have ice-rich permafrost beneath the surface, but
within reach of the lander's robotic arm.

"Last instructions were given to the science team at our final meeting
at the University of Arizona Tuesday," said Phoenix Principal
Investigator Peter Smith of the University of Arizona, Tucson. "This
week, we are conducting our dress rehearsal before opening night on
Sunday." The science team is slowly adjusting to working on Mars time,
in which each day lasts 24.66 hours, in preparation for a demanding
mission.

Smith said, "We are ready to robotically operate our science lab in the
Martian arctic and dig through the layers of history to the ice-rich
soil below."

Phoenix is equipped to study the history of the water now frozen into
the site's permafrost, to check for carbon-containing chemicals that are
essential ingredients for life, and to monitor polar-region weather on
Mars from a surface perspective for the first time.

The Phoenix mission is led by Smith at the University of Arizona with
project management at JPL and development partnership at Lockheed
Martin. International contributions come from the Canadian Space Agency;
the University of Neuchatel, Switzerland; the universities of Copenhagen
and Aarhus, Denmark; Max Planck Institute, Germany; and the Finnish
Meteorological Institute. For more about Phoenix, visit:
http://www.nasa.gov/phoenix and
http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu .

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Guy Webster 818-354-6278/5011
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
guy.webster at jpl.nasa.gov

Dwayne Brown 202-358-1726
NASA Headquarters, Washington
dwayne.c.brown at nasa.gov

2008-079


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Thu May 22 16:51:28 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 13:51:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - May 21, 2008
Message-ID: <200805222051.NAA27788@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES
May 21, 2008

o Ridges in Huo Hsing Vallis 
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_008189_2080

o Young Impact Crater in Isidis
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_008017_2020

o Channel into Jezero Crater Delta
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_007925_1990

o Gullies of Crater Wall in Terra Sirenum
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_006760_1370
   
All of the HiRISE images are archived here:

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/

Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is 
online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is 
managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division 
of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA 
Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed 
Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor 
and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the 
University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies 
Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument.

From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Thu May 22 17:52:18 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 14:52:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD; photos are up, see links
Message-ID: <733144.11843.qm@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

sorry for the multiple posts, I underestimated
interest and demand for photos on this one, so I have
got the Trenton photos up, as well as the Trenton and
Carbo collection pieces on my collection page.
The Bondoc photos will have to be done tomorrow.

http://www.meteoriteguy.com/catalog/trenton.htm

http://www.meteoriteguy.com/collection/carbo.htm

http://www.meteoriteguy.com/collection/trenton.htm


Thanks,
Michael Farmer

From rob_mccafferty at yahoo.com  Thu May 22 19:12:01 2008
From: rob_mccafferty at yahoo.com (Rob McCafferty)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 16:12:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] comet/asteroid classification
In-Reply-To: <29A9DB45B84970458190D7D39BD42C492C2836@gamma.ssl.atw>
Message-ID: <762262.85936.qm@web55210.mail.re4.yahoo.com>


It's a simple case of the terminology being outdated.

The term comet dates back to Aristotle and the name means "star with hair" in Greek. A lovely term that a child could sketch.

The term Asteroid is much more recent (19th Century). The word means "star shaped" probably because that's how they look in a telescope and again, a child looking through a telescope could easily draw it. Going back 200 years, the original distinction is obvious.

Many asteroids have volatiles and many comets probably contain rock elements. I have to say "may" because we haven't studied as many comets as we have asteroid because they tend to be transient and farther away.

I like the child drawing analogy because it demonstrates how our understanding today has matured.

Today we say that, generally, comets come from far out. Generally, asteroids come from much nearer but we all know that the two classes cn overlap in appearance so by the childs analogy, it is possible to confuse the two in individual circumstances. A fresh asteroid from beyond the ice line may take on the appearnce of a comet but a spent comet may take on the appearanc of an asteroid. It does not alter their origin.

It it the terms that are outdated, not the way we classify them.
We saw the same thing in 2006 with planets, a term invented by the Greeks. Planet literally means "wanderer" and when you applied the definitions of the Greeks used, there are only 5 and Earth ain't one of them.

We could change our terminology to accurately classify these bodies according to their origin with sub-classification to describe their current nature. I believe one day we will. It is unlikely to happen anytime soon, however because we do not have the data to categorically state to origin on most of these bodies. 

Rob McC




--- On Thu, 5/22/08, Mark Ford <mark.ford at ssl.gb.com> wrote:

> From: Mark Ford <mark.ford at ssl.gb.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Observed lunar meteorite impacts hit 100
> To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Thursday, May 22, 2008, 5:03 PM
> Yes as I say you can label them, but I still wouldn't
> say the
> differences where 'very distinct'.. juries still
> out on that one.  I
> wouldn't mind betting there are quite a few 'icy
> asteroids' out there
> too...
> 
> After all:
> > we know little about composition. A burned out comet
> may 
> > or may not be similar to an asteroid from a
> mineralogical standpoint.
> 
> Given that some moons of Saturn [may] actually be captured
> comets
> (according to the recent Cassini findings), it strikes me
> that we still
> have difficulty in defining exactly what is and isn't
> or what was or was
> not 'a comet', (I guess not enough samples to
> define it clearly enough).
> 
> Mark my words -  one day we will probably have a 'pluto
> style' mess
> where all those things we classified/call ex-comets etc
> will suddenly
> all be called  ... ''rocks''. Lol.
> 
> Best
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On
> Behalf Of Chris
> Peterson
> Sent: 22 May 2008 15:32
> To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Observed lunar meteorite
> impacts hit 100
> 
> There are clearly two very distinct populations of objects,
> which have 
> very different properties. Comets originate in the outer
> edge of the 
> Solar System, and ices account for a significant proportion
> of their 
> entire mass. Very few ever make it to the inner system, and
> when they 
> do, they can usually be identified by their high
> eccentricity orbits. 
> Asteroids are differentiated rocky or iron bodies that were
> formed or 
> trapped in orbit between Mars and Jupiter.
> 
> It is quite correct to distinguish between the two types of
> bodies. The 
> confusion comes from the likelihood that some comets have
> ended up in 
> asteroidal orbits, and have lost their volatiles. And also,
> that 
> gravitational perturbations have put some asteroids into
> more comet-like
> 
> orbits. It isn't that these aren't very different
> objects, but that in 
> some cases we are uncertain about an object's true
> classification. 
> Additionally, we know little about composition. A burned
> out comet may 
> or may not be similar to an asteroid from a mineralogical
> standpoint.
> 
> Chris
> 
> *****************************************
> Chris L Peterson
> Cloudbait Observatory
> http://www.cloudbait.com
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mark Ford" <mark.ford at ssl.gb.com>
> To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 3:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Observed lunar meteorite
> impacts hit 100
> 
> > Good point Larry.
> >
> > But I can't understand why people are still
> carefully distinguishing
> > between comets and Asteroids?, I think by now we can
> assume they are
> > basically one and the same, and not some exotic
> different species. To 
> > me
> > it's just that some rocks are more 'wet and
> oily' than others...
> >
> > I'd find it very very hard to believe there are no
> pieces of comet in
> > our collections.
> >
> > Best,
> > Mark Ford
> -list 
> 
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From arqueofosil at gmail.com  Thu May 22 20:28:56 2008
From: arqueofosil at gmail.com (MONZON&CRUZ DEL SUR METEORITOS)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 21:28:56 -0300
Subject: [meteorite-list] Patos de minas meteorite
Message-ID: <bf2d5dbf0805221728m52484b17m67a24cd2a43dddcd@mail.gmail.com>

Friends of the list.
My name is Jose Maria Monzon I am a hunter meteorite in south america.
Antecedents, I to work in locating the meteorite of Santa Vitoria do
Palmar with the finder Lautaro Correia and to look for some material
in the area of the finding of the main mass of the Patos de Minas
meteorite with Paulo Garcia de Patos de Minas finder.
Also it works in the main mass of the meteorite of Rua?u that was
commercialized by Celio Rezende and Hans Koser.
Dear list I send the emailto inform that i have for sale the main
maass of the Patos de Minas iron complex Brazilian meteorite wigth 200
Kg.
I listen offers
All the best


-- 
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Da Am?rica do Sul
Museu Municipal Tancredo F. de Mello
Santa Vitoria do palmar (RS)
Brasil
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From Impactika at aol.com  Fri May 23 01:06:31 2008
From: Impactika at aol.com (Impactika at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 01:06:31 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tornadoes in Colorado
Message-ID: <cc0.343fe91f.3567aad7@aol.com>

In case you are just now catching up with the news........
 
Yes they were tornadoes in Colorado this afternoon. Starting just after  
noon, a cluster of tornadoes, probably category 3, touched down about 50 miles  
north of Denver and went on north to Wyoming, following the front range of the  
Rockies..
A lot of damage to several small towns, and a lot of farms on the way.  Only 
casualties: one man in a mobile home, and a bunch of cows when a  dairy was 
completely flattened. 

For all the details and pictures, look at:
_http://www.9news.com/news/top-article.aspx?storyid=92268_ 
(http://www.9news.com/news/top-article.aspx?storyid=92268) 
 
In the mountains, some snow above 9000 feet (3000 meters).
In Denver, a lot of wind, a bit of rain. Nothing much really.
 

Anne M.  Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
IMPACTIKA at aol.com
Vice-President of IMCA 
www.IMCA.cc 
 



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From bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com  Fri May 23 08:13:05 2008
From: bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com (mckinney trammell)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 05:13:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tornadoes in Colorado
In-Reply-To: <cc0.343fe91f.3567aad7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <771679.58103.qm@web53208.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

yea, in the georgia area we have had 'em about every
weekend since mid-feb: www.macon.com 
--- Impactika at aol.com wrote:

> In case you are just now catching up with the
> news........
>  
> Yes they were tornadoes in Colorado this afternoon.
> Starting just after  
> noon, a cluster of tornadoes, probably category 3,
> touched down about 50 miles  
> north of Denver and went on north to Wyoming,
> following the front range of the  
> Rockies..
> A lot of damage to several small towns, and a lot of
> farms on the way.  Only 
> casualties: one man in a mobile home, and a bunch of
> cows when a  dairy was 
> completely flattened. 
> 
> For all the details and pictures, look at:
>
_http://www.9news.com/news/top-article.aspx?storyid=92268_
> 
>
(http://www.9news.com/news/top-article.aspx?storyid=92268)
> 
>  
> In the mountains, some snow above 9000 feet (3000
> meters).
> In Denver, a lot of wind, a bit of rain. Nothing
> much really.
>  
> 
> Anne M.  Black
> www.IMPACTIKA.com
> IMPACTIKA at aol.com
> Vice-President of IMCA 
> www.IMCA.cc 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers.
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From libawc at emory.edu  Fri May 23 08:45:19 2008
From: libawc at emory.edu (Anita D. Westlake)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 08:45:19 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tornadoes in Colorado
In-Reply-To: <771679.58103.qm@web53208.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <cc0.343fe91f.3567aad7@aol.com>
	<771679.58103.qm@web53208.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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I'm glad to hear you are okay Anne. We don't want you or your space rocks to
take an unscheduled flight!
Anita

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trammell
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 8:13 AM
To: Impactika at aol.com; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tornadoes in Colorado

yea, in the georgia area we have had 'em about every
weekend since mid-feb: www.macon.com 
--- Impactika at aol.com wrote:

> In case you are just now catching up with the
> news........
>  
> Yes they were tornadoes in Colorado this afternoon.
> Starting just after  
> noon, a cluster of tornadoes, probably category 3,
> touched down about 50 miles  
> north of Denver and went on north to Wyoming,
> following the front range of the  
> Rockies..
> A lot of damage to several small towns, and a lot of
> farms on the way.  Only 
> casualties: one man in a mobile home, and a bunch of
> cows when a  dairy was 
> completely flattened. 
> 
> For all the details and pictures, look at:
>
_http://www.9news.com/news/top-article.aspx?storyid=92268_
> 
>
(http://www.9news.com/news/top-article.aspx?storyid=92268)
> 
>  
> In the mountains, some snow above 9000 feet (3000
> meters).
> In Denver, a lot of wind, a bit of rain. Nothing
> much really.
>  
> 
> Anne M.  Black
> www.IMPACTIKA.com
> IMPACTIKA at aol.com
> Vice-President of IMCA 
> www.IMCA.cc 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers.
> Watch "Cooking with 
> Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.      
>
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From cynapse at charter.net  Fri May 23 11:10:33 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 11:10:33 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] If you believed they'll put your name on the moon,
	name on the moon
In-Reply-To: <733144.11843.qm@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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http://lro.jhuapl.edu/NameToMoon/

From stm at bellsouth.net  Fri May 23 11:30:57 2008
From: stm at bellsouth.net (Sean T. Murray)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 11:30:57 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] If you believed they'll put your name on the
	moon, name on the moon
References: <733144.11843.qm@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<sfnd3495sn816jvdm00o4qq1jmu6kpk3at@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <24391AB3328649FAB3BCA78A6E46F2E6@platinum>

I signed up for that a few weeks ago.

The kicker is that I also signed up a crazy friend of mine that still 
refuses to believe we've been to the moon and sent her the certificate. :-)

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Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 11:10 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] If you believed they'll put your name on the 
moon,name on the moon


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From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri May 23 16:40:59 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:40:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: May 19-23, 2008
Message-ID: <200805232040.NAA07973@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES
May 19-23, 2008

o Jovis Tholus (Released 19 May 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080519a

o Marte Valles (Released 20 May 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080520a

o Channels (Released 21 May 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080521a

o Hebrus Valles (Released 22 May 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080522a

o Hebrus Valles (Released 23 May 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080523a


All of the THEMIS images are archived here:

http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html

NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission 
for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission 
Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University,
Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. 
The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State 
University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor 
for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission 
operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a 
division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. 




From jcomet2 at comcast.net  Fri May 23 16:44:08 2008
From: jcomet2 at comcast.net (jcomet2 at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 20:44:08 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Observed lunar meteorite impacts hit 100
Message-ID: <052320082044.16446.48372C98000465480000403E2205886014CD9B0A03010C06@comcast.net>

There is a large distinction between the classical comets and the classical asteroids. Comet Hale-Bopp or Huykatake could never be confused for an asteroid. On the other hand there are comets that are almost spent out such as P/Arend-Regeaux which at often times appears stellar like through even the largest telescopes. Then there is P/Schwassmann-Wachmann 1 which travels in a near circular orbit and is quite faint and stellar appearing until it goes into an out burst approximately once per month. I have monitored this comet for years and it can brighten very rapidly several hundred fold and produce a coma. It may or may not be tied into the rotation due to the out bursts are not predictable and can vary by 20 to 60 days. 

For those of you who have been confused by all the classifications of comets and asteroids, here is a very simple, and I stress simple classification. It does not get into groups or families. I'm sure there are many mistakes and I take full responsibilty for the content.

Near Earth Objects ? Objects that approach the earth?s orbit.
Atens ? NEO?s with average orbital radii smaller than earth?s
Apollos ? NEO?s with average orbital radii greater than earth but cross earth?s orbit
Amors ? NEO?s with orbital radii between Mars and Earth?s and perihelia just outside Earth?s orbit.

Main belt ? Asteroids in roughly circular orbits between Mars and Jupiter, most have inclinations less than 30 degrees and eccentricities less than 0.4
C-type ? Carbonaceous asteroids with spectra similar to carbonaceous chondrites and comprising 75% of known Main Belt asteroids, found in the outer reaches of the asteroid belt.
S-type ? Silicate rich asteroids with some metal but no carbon. Comprise about 17% of visible asteroids.
M-type ? Metal rich asteroids comprising about 10% of known asteroids. Possibly remnant core of differentiated body composed of nickel-iron. One problem is that some silicate compounds can mimic metal spectra. It is not yet clear whether all M-types are compositionally similar, or whether it is a label for several varieties which do not fit neatly into the main C and S classes.
V-type ? Basaltic type asteroids, very rare but evidently more than one with different histories exist for this type. Vesta is the namesake of this type.

Trojan asteroids ? Asteroids in roughly same orbit as a planet and found approximately 60 degrees ahead or behind the planet. 
Mars Trojans - has only two. 
Trojans - Jupiter has several hundred to several thousand, first ones to be discovered. 
Neptune Trojans -  is the only other gas giant to date with known Trojan asteroids. Spectra suggests that they are composed of water ice with a layer of dust and probably more akin to comets.

Centaurs ? Objects with orbits between the gas giants Jupiter and Neptune. Three of them have exhibited cometary behavior. 

Damocloids ? Halley type objects some have retrograde orbits, all have high eccentricity orbits, a few have since been shone to be comets. 

Trans-Neptunian Objects
Kuiper belt objects ? extend from Neptune?s orbit to 55 AU from the Sun. All are icy bodies composed primarily of ammonia, methane and water
Cubewanos ? objects with roughly circular orbits and low inclination and not in resonance with Neptune.
Plutinos ? objects with eccentric orbits, often crossing Neptune?s orbit and inclinations of 10 to 25 degrees. Also in a 2 to 3 resonating orbit with Neptune. Pluto crosses Neptune?s orbit but due to inclination and resonation it cannot collide with the planet.		
Scattered Disc Objects ? Poorly understood objects beyond Neptune in highly eccentric and highly inclined orbits that computer simulations revealed their orbits to be unstable.

Ort Cloud ? Vast region of space roughly 1000 times further than Kuiper Belt.
Inner Ort Cloud ? Also known as the Hills cloud, roughly 2000 to 20,000 AU and doughnut shaped. Probably the main source of comets.
Outer Ort Cloud ? Spherical shaped region with inner edge about 20,000 AU extending out to 50,000 and possibly 100,000 AU or more than one light year.
No known Ort Cloud Objects have been discovered beyond the Kuiper Belt. The only known Ort Cloud Objects are the long period comets that visit the inner solar system. All have high eccentricities and can even be in retrograde orbits. 

There are some comets that are confined to the asteroid belt. There have even been cases when a known asteroid has turned into a comet. And we have one case where a known asteroid shares an orbit with a known meteor shower and is indeed postulated to be a dead comet. A few comets are in fact beginning to slowly turn off (less and less outgassing on each trip around sun).

Basically it boils down to all asteroids are in prograde orbits and are rocky type objects. Comets on the other hand can be prograde or retrograde, and in all sorts of orbits. They are composed of ice and dust intermixed with rock. Compositions both in asteroids and comets probably vary greatly. There may be rare cases when it is evident that something may have hit an asteroid and only a dust type tail is produced, would this be for classifying this object as a comet? 
It is clear that as one descends from stars to brown dwarfs to gas giants, to rocky planets, to planetoids, to asteroids, to meteoroids and from asteroids to comets, the distinctions begin to blur. Although there will always be classical objects in their own classes, there will also be some overlap of objects that just do not quite fit in any category. This is what makes astronomy and collecting meteorites interesting indeed.


--
Jerry Armstrong
IMCA #5151

From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri May 23 16:49:43 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:49:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Rover Finds Yellowstone-like Hot Spring
	Deposits
Message-ID: <200805232049.NAA10165@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



Arizona State University
Tempe, Arizona

Contact:
Robert Burnham, 480-458-8207

May 22, 2008

Mars rover finds Yellowstone-like hot spring deposits

Deposits of nearly pure silica discovered by the Mars Exploration Rover
Spirit in Gusev Crater formed when volcanic steam or hot water (or maybe
both) percolated through the ground. Such deposits are found around
hydrothermal vents like those in Yellowstone National Park. That's the
conclusion of planetary scientists working with data collected by the
rover's mineral-scouting instrument, which was developed at Arizona State
University.

The silica discovery, announced briefly by NASA in 2007, is fully described
in a multi-author paper that appears in the May 23, 2008 issue of the
scientific journal Science. The lead author is Steven Squyres of Cornell
University, principal investigator for the rover science payload.

The silica finding turns a spotlight on an important site that may contain
preserved traces of ancient Martian life.

"On Earth, hydrothermal deposits teem with life and the associated silica
deposits typically contain fossil remains of microbes," says Jack Farmer,
professor of astrobiology in ASU's School of Earth and Space Exploration,
part of the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences. Farmer is one of the
paper's co-authors.

"But we don't know if that's the case here," Farmer notes, "because the
rovers don't carry instruments that can detect microscopic life." He adds,
"What we can say is that this was once a habitable environment where liquid
water and the energy needed for life were present."

NASA landed the two Mars rovers, Spirit and Opportunity, on opposite sides
of the planet in January 2004 to look for rocks showing the presence of
water. As of now, the rovers are more than four Earth years into a mission
designed to last just three months. Despite dust collecting on their solar
panels and mechanical wear-and-tear, both are continuing to explore.

Dawning realization

The silica discovery unfolded in slow motion as Spirit emerged from
hibernation after its second Martian winter. The rover spent those months on
the edge of a football-field-size feature dubbed Home Plate.

Home Plate lies in the Columbia Hills, a range of low hills in the middle of
Gusev Crater, which spans 100 miles (170 kilometers) wide. The Hills rise
about 300 feet (100 meters) above the flat lava plain that fills Gusev, but
their structure and origin remain unclear to scientists.

"We were going back to an area of exposed soil called the Tyrone site, which
we didn't have time to investigate before winter began," notes Steven Ruff,
a faculty research associate at ASU's Mars Space Flight Facility. Ruff is
another of the paper's co-authors.

The Tyrone soil proved rich in sulfate minerals, a phenomenon seen by Spirit
at other locations in the Columbia Hills, where Spirit has been exploring
since late 2004. While sulfates can form in several ways, water is involved
in most.

"While parked next to Tyrone, we used the Mini-TES to look at some nearby
light-toned and knobby outcrops," says Ruff.

Mini-TES is short for the Miniature Thermal Emission Spectrometer, an
instrument placed on each rover to identify minerals by their infrared
spectrum. Ruff is the scientist in charge of day-to-day operations for
Mini-TES, which was designed by ASU's Philip Christensen, a Regents'
Professor of Geological Sciences and director of the Mars Space Flight
Facility.

Silica surprise

Ruff continues, "It wasn't clear what we were seeing in the knobby outcrops
because they were contaminated with dust and wind-blown soil. But I thought
they might be silica-rich." Additional surveys with Mini-TES identified
other outcrops, similarly contaminated but likewise hinting at silica.

As it happened, the rover's jammed right front wheel inadvertently produced
the "Aha!" moment. Ruff and others on the science team noticed that the
stuck wheel had gouged a trench a few inches deep through the soil as the
rover drove ahead in reverse, dragging the crippled wheel behind.

"The trench looked bright white," Ruff recalls, "but we thought initially it
was just more sulfate minerals."

Over the winter, however, Ruff got curious. "We aimed Mini-TES at the trench
and it showed a clear silica spectrum. This prompted us to drive back to it,
where the rover's Alpha Particle X-Ray Spectrometer told us the white soil
was more than 90 percent silica. That's a record high for silica on Mars."

Fumaroles and hot springs

Making such pure silica requires a lot of water, says Ruff. "On Earth, the
only way to have this kind of silica enrichment is by hot water reacting
with rocks."

This, Ruff says, links the silica with Home Plate, which the rover team
already knew was a volcanic feature. "Home Plate came from an explosive
volcanic event with water or ice being involved," he explains. "We saw where
rocks were thrown into the air and landed to make small indentations in the
soft, wet ash sediment around the vent."

Once alerted what to look for, the scientists found more silica in many
places nearby.

As Ruff explains, "It's not just the soil in a trench in one place. It's a
broader story of outcrops that extend 50 meters [about 150 feet] away from
Home Plate. It's not a small scale, modest phenomenon."

The combination of geothermal heat and water produces a hydrothermal system
like that which powers the hot springs, geysers, mudpots, and fumaroles
(steam vents) of Yellowstone National Park.

Capturing evidence

Astrobiologist Farmer helped with the mineral identification by supplying a
variety of high silica rock samples from his laboratory collection. They
included rocks from hot spring and fumarole deposits in Yellowstone and New
Zealand. These rocks provided reference spectra for Mini-TES. "The best fit
we got was with siliceous sinter," he says, referring to deposits of "opal,"
a type of amorphous silica laid down by hot springs.

Farmer explains that hydrothermal systems generally precipitate silica and
other minerals as heated groundwater rises, cools, and gives off dissolved
gases. "If there were organisms living there," he says, "our terrestrial
experience shows that microbes can easily be entrapped and preserved in the
deposits." Silica, he notes, is an excellent medium for capturing and
preserving traces of microbial life.

Whether Mars ever had life is unknown. But if there was once a Martian
biosphere, both Ruff and Farmer say the deposits around fumaroles and hot
springs are ideal places to start hunting for it.

Although the microscopic imagers on the current rovers cannot resolve the
microbial remains seen in terrestrial hot spring deposits, Farmer notes that
the new microscopic imagers now in development for future rovers should let
scientists detect such features in situ.

Says Farmer, "We just need to deliver such instruments to the right place.
The discoveries at Home Plate have helped us know where to go next."

Ruff adds, "This discovery has us really excited. This site is clearly the
best example of a habitable environment that we've found in Gusev."

IMAGE CAPTION:
[http://asunews.asu.edu/files/images/4_filaments.jpg (413KB)]
Silica layers coat bacterial filaments in a sample from Excelsior Geyser
Crater, Grand Prismatic Spring, Yellowstone National Park. The silica
coating preserves microbial structures. Scientists hunting for a Martian
biology might start by searching for similar structures in Martian hot
spring deposits. Photo credit: Arizona State University/Jack Farmer


From lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu  Fri May 23 17:05:09 2008
From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu (lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:05:09 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Observed lunar meteorite impacts hit 100
In-Reply-To: <052320082044.16446.48372C98000465480000403E2205886014CD9B0A03010C06@c
	omcast.net>
References: <052320082044.16446.48372C98000465480000403E2205886014CD9B0A03010C06@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <58442.71.226.60.25.1211576709.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu>

Hello Jerry:

Good summary!

There are actually other compositional (spectral) classes of asteroids,
but you hit on the main ones. While most C-asteroids are "wet," some
appear to be dry (at least on their surfaces). Also, there are "wet"
M-asteroids, which are clearly NOT metallic, but it is not yet clear what
they really are.

And yes, a "dead" comet may look spectrally like an asteroid!

Larry

On Fri, May 23, 2008 1:44 pm, jcomet2 at comcast.net wrote:
> --===============0089808818==
>
>
> There is a large distinction between the classical comets and the
> classical asteroids. Comet Hale-Bopp or Huykatake could never be confused
> for an asteroid. On the other hand there are comets that are almost spent
> out such as P/Arend-Regeaux which at often times appears stellar like
> through even the largest telescopes. Then there is P/Schwassmann-Wachmann
> 1 which travels in a near circular orbit and is quite faint and stellar
> appearing until it goes into an out burst approximately once per month. I
> have monitored this comet for years and it can brighten very rapidly
> several hundred fold and produce a coma. It may or may not be tied into
> the rotation due to the out bursts are not predictable and can vary by 20
> to 60 days.
>
> For those of you who have been confused by all the classifications of
> comets and asteroids, here is a very simple, and I stress simple
> classification. It does not get into groups or families. I'm sure there
> are many mistakes and I take full responsibilty for the content.
>
> Near Earth Objects ? Objects that approach the earth?s orbit.
> Atens ? NEO?s with average orbital radii smaller than earth?s
> Apollos ? NEO?s with average orbital radii greater than earth but cross
> earth?s orbit Amors ? NEO?s with orbital radii between Mars and Earth?s
> and perihelia just outside Earth?s orbit.
>
> Main belt ? Asteroids in roughly circular orbits between Mars and
> Jupiter, most have inclinations less than 30 degrees and eccentricities
> less than 0.4 C-type ? Carbonaceous asteroids with spectra similar to
> carbonaceous chondrites and comprising 75% of known Main Belt asteroids,
> found in the outer reaches of the asteroid belt. S-type ? Silicate rich
> asteroids with some metal but no carbon. Comprise about 17% of visible
> asteroids. M-type ? Metal rich asteroids comprising about 10% of known
> asteroids. Possibly remnant core of differentiated body composed of
> nickel-iron. One problem is that some silicate compounds can mimic metal
> spectra. It is not yet clear whether all M-types are compositionally
> similar, or whether it is a label for several varieties which do not fit
> neatly into the main C and S classes. V-type ? Basaltic type asteroids,
> very rare but evidently more than one with different histories exist for
> this type. Vesta is the namesake of this type.
>
> Trojan asteroids ? Asteroids in roughly same orbit as a planet and found
> approximately 60 degrees ahead or behind the planet. Mars Trojans - has
> only two. Trojans - Jupiter has several hundred to several thousand, first
> ones to be discovered. Neptune Trojans -  is the only other gas giant to
> date with known Trojan asteroids. Spectra suggests that they are composed
> of water ice with a layer of dust and probably more akin to comets.
>
> Centaurs ? Objects with orbits between the gas giants Jupiter and
> Neptune. Three of them have exhibited cometary behavior.
>
>
> Damocloids ? Halley type objects some have retrograde orbits, all have
> high eccentricity orbits, a few have since been shone to be comets.
>
> Trans-Neptunian Objects
> Kuiper belt objects ? extend from Neptune?s orbit to 55 AU from the Sun.
> All are icy bodies composed primarily of ammonia, methane and water
> Cubewanos ? objects with roughly circular orbits and low inclination and
> not in resonance with Neptune. Plutinos ? objects with eccentric orbits,
> often crossing Neptune?s orbit and inclinations of 10 to 25 degrees. Also
> in a 2 to 3 resonating orbit with Neptune. Pluto crosses Neptune?s orbit
> but due to inclination and resonation it cannot collide with the planet.
> Scattered Disc Objects ? Poorly understood objects beyond Neptune in
> highly eccentric and highly inclined orbits that computer simulations
> revealed their orbits to be unstable.
>
> Ort Cloud ? Vast region of space roughly 1000 times further than Kuiper
> Belt.
> Inner Ort Cloud ? Also known as the Hills cloud, roughly 2000 to 20,000 AU
> and doughnut shaped. Probably the main source of comets. Outer Ort Cloud ?
> Spherical shaped region with inner edge about 20,000 AU extending out to
> 50,000 and possibly 100,000 AU or more than one light year.
> No known Ort Cloud Objects have been discovered beyond the Kuiper Belt.
> The only known Ort Cloud Objects are the long period comets that visit
> the inner solar system. All have high eccentricities and can even be in
> retrograde orbits.
>
> There are some comets that are confined to the asteroid belt. There have
> even been cases when a known asteroid has turned into a comet. And we
> have one case where a known asteroid shares an orbit with a known meteor
> shower and is indeed postulated to be a dead comet. A few comets are in
> fact beginning to slowly turn off (less and less outgassing on each trip
> around sun).
>
> Basically it boils down to all asteroids are in prograde orbits and are
> rocky type objects. Comets on the other hand can be prograde or
> retrograde, and in all sorts of orbits. They are composed of ice and dust
> intermixed with rock. Compositions both in asteroids and comets probably
> vary greatly. There may be rare cases when it is evident that something
> may have hit an asteroid and only a dust type tail is produced, would
> this be for classifying this object as a comet? It is clear that as one
> descends from stars to brown dwarfs to gas giants, to rocky planets, to
> planetoids, to asteroids, to meteoroids and from asteroids to comets, the
> distinctions begin to blur. Although there will always be classical
> objects in their own classes, there will also be some overlap of objects
> that just do not quite fit in any category. This is what makes astronomy
> and collecting meteorites interesting indeed.
>
>
> --
> Jerry Armstrong
> IMCA #5151
>
>
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From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri May 23 17:05:46 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:05:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Secrets of Mars' Suitability for Life May Be Down
	in the Dirt (Phoenix)
Message-ID: <200805232105.OAA13708@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


For Immediate Release

Contact:
Dr. John Marshall
1-650-810-0216
jmarshall at seti.org

Dr. Richard Quinn
richard.c.quinn at nasa.gov
1-415-577-0749

At SETI Institute:
Dr. Seth Shostak
1-650-960-4530
sshostak at seti.org

SECRETS OF MARS' SUITABILITY FOR LIFE MAY BE DOWN IN THE DIRT

Shortly after NASA's Phoenix lander settles onto Mars' frigid,
northern plains on May 25, it will undertake what is literally a
microscopic examination of the red sand beneath its feet.  By doing
so, it may find evidence that liquid water - generally agreed to be a
prerequisite of life - once pooled here.

Examination of the Martian soil is part of the task of a sophisticated
on-board instrument package known as MECA, for Microscopy,
Electrochemistry, and Conductivity Analyzer (MECA).  Two microscopes
are part of this package, and it is their close-up views that might
supply conclusive evidence for a watery past.  According to John
Marshall, a planetary geologist with the Carl Sagan Center at the SETI
Institute, "this very detailed examination of the sand grains could
supply a vital clue as to whether Mars was ever conducive to life - or
if microscopic life might still have a foothold there."

Imaging is a big part of the Phoenix mission.  On the main deck of the
lander is a stereo camera that will provide landscape views.  The
camera on the robotic arm can see sand and pebbles.  But the MECA has
both a low-power optical microscope for scrutinizing a field-of-view
only millimeters in size, and an atomic force microscope able to make
a "topographic map" of soil particles with detail a thousand times
finer than its optical counterpart.  The atomic force microscope works
by means of a tiny stylus that "feels" its way over the sample.

Marshall's job is to interpret close-ups from the optical microscope
from a geologic perspective.  The size of the soil particles, as well
as their shape and surface texture, are all indicators of whether or
not liquid water was present.

"If you see little clay particles," Marshall notes, "you say ah, hah!
There's been aqueous weathering here - chemical alteration of the
grains.  It would be just like the clay you find in your back yard."

While that would be exciting, it's also possible that the soil
particles have simply been processed by the stirring up of ground ice
over thousands and millions of years.  "That would be interesting, but
not revolutionary," says Marshall.

Richard Quinn, also at the SETI Institute's Carl Sagan Center, is
using MECA instruments to do a different kind of soil analysis: using
the type of wet chemistry you may remember from high school.  Within
the MECA package are four box-like receptacles, or reaction chambers,
each the size of a demitasse cup.  Their inside walls are covered,
polka-dot like, with 24 sensors. As Phoenix's robotic arm pulls soil
off the landscape, it deposits some  samples into these water-filled
chambers..

"Adding these soil samples to water allows us to look for is soluble
salts," says Quinn.  Finding these would help establish what the prior
water history was at the landing site, and might give an indication if
this area of Mars was habitable."

In his lab at NASA's Ames Research Center, Quinn has set up equipment
that duplicates the reaction chambers aboard Phoenix.  He's also
collected samples of "Mars analog" soil samples from places on Earth
where conditions mimic those on the Red Planet.  On the basis of data
coming back from Phoenix, Quinn's assistants at Ames will choose a
soil sample and see if they can duplicate the results coming from tens
of millions of miles away.  It's a way of doing analysis by "remote
control."

"If MECA finds a sample with a significant salt content, and if that
same sample - when run through Phoenix's Thermal and Evolved-Gas
Analyzer instrument - also turns out to contain organics - Well, that
would be the best I could hope for." says Quinn.

Marshall is philosophical about doing laboratory science from a
distance to learn if Mars was ever a kinder, gentler world.  "In a
hundred years, our view of the Red Planet has gone from a small, ruddy
dot imperfectly seen in an Earth-bound telescope to a detailed
scrutiny of the tiniest irregularities on a grain of martian sand," he
notes. "It's more than remarkable."


From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Fri May 23 17:25:10 2008
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:25:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space picture of the Day - May 23, 2008
Message-ID: <15911910.3031561211577910867.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/May_23_2008.html 


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From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Sat May 24 03:23:32 2008
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 02:23:32 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Observed lunar meteorite impacts hit 100
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Chris wrote:

> Comets originate in the outer edge of the 
> Solar System...

With the caveat that I am not jumping on Chris in particular,
that statement about comet formation is both common and 
wrong.

Icy bodies form where ice forms. Ice forms wherever the
original material of the so-called "solar nebula" cools enough
for its water vapor to turn into ice. That point has to be close 
enough in to the Sun for there to be enough material to produce 
sufficient ice, to be close enough for water vapor to exist in 
the first place, and so forth. 

All these factors depend on your theory and model, but 
there is reasonable agreement between the 57 varieties.
This point is sometimes called the "snow line." It was long
thought to be just inside the orbit where we find Jupiter 
now, or about 4.5 AU. More recently, 2.7 AU, or the middle 
of the Asteroid Zone, has been calculated. Last year there
was a paper that argues for 1.6 to 1.8 AU, or just outside
the orbit of Mars. Clearly, it wasn't "far out."

Out in icy-body territory, like the Kuiper Belt, the amount 
of water vapor would be far less than 1% of what would be 
found at Jupiter (not enough to form the bodies we find there). 

Besides which, it may have never been warm enough out 
there for water vapor to exist (that depends on your model). 
Out in the Oort Cloud, where we are assured there are 
trillions of "comets," no comet could ever have formed.

Icy bodies formed where ice particles formed, then accreted 
to each other to produce icy planetesimals that accreted to form
larger... and so forth, essentially from inside Jupiter's orbit to
somewhere well inside Saturn's orbit. It's clear that Saturn does 
not have a high ice content (density 0.90), so icy bodies did not 
form even that far out in any great numbers.

So, one primary characteristic of "comets," or of small icy
bodies, is that they could not have formed where we find them
now. They therefore have a refugee history that involves their 
re-location. You have to suspect that big bully Jupiter, of course.

That's assuming the big planets formed where they are now, but 
another possibility is that the major planets formed further out and
spiraled in by nebular friction, but another theory has some of the
big planets (Uranus and Neptune) forming closer in and moving
out, as if the whole thing wasn't confusing enough already.

If icy bodies ("comets") have a history of being transported
around the solar system, it is not a history we presently know 
much, if anything, about, and one we can hardly even guess at.
It's likely a tangled history, which makes assumptions about 
their composition less than certain.

As for the apparent spectral composition of "icy" bodies, the 
problem there is that most of such a body's volatiles will be 
found on their cold surfaces, regardless of whether their volatile 
composition is 20% or 80%. Then, there's the sublimation of
ices that leaves dust behind, so that in a suitable thermal regime,
a body could evolve to have a rocky core, an icy mantle and
a rockdusty crust. What a marvelous disguise!

It's a messy problem. We'll just have to go there and check'em 
out! No substitute for the geologist (planetologist? cometologist?)
on the ground, drilling, taking seismic profiles, whacking things
with those neat little hammers, whatever.


Sterling K. Webb
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From: "Chris Peterson" <clp at alumni.caltech.edu>
To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Observed lunar meteorite impacts hit 100


There are clearly two very distinct populations of objects, which have 
very different properties. Comets originate in the outer edge of the 
Solar System, and ices account for a significant proportion of their 
entire mass. Very few ever make it to the inner system, and when they 
do, they can usually be identified by their high eccentricity orbits. 
Asteroids are differentiated rocky or iron bodies that were formed or 
trapped in orbit between Mars and Jupiter.

It is quite correct to distinguish between the two types of bodies. The 
confusion comes from the likelihood that some comets have ended up in 
asteroidal orbits, and have lost their volatiles. And also, that 
gravitational perturbations have put some asteroids into more comet-like 
orbits. It isn't that these aren't very different objects, but that in 
some cases we are uncertain about an object's true classification. 
Additionally, we know little about composition. A burned out comet may 
or may not be similar to an asteroid from a mineralogical standpoint.

Chris

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Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Obse