From almitt at kconline.com  Sat Nov  1 08:36:28 2008
From: almitt at kconline.com (al mitterling)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 08:36:28 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Show "Schedule"
In-Reply-To: <C530F4CD.1B4FD%mlblood@cox.net>
References: <C530F4CD.1B4FD%mlblood@cox.net>
Message-ID: <C9B11E7A11024FE4B03E88FD1C313481@StarmanPC>

Hi Michael and all,

Let me add to your post if I may. First the Tucson Show is the Tucson Gem 
and Mineral Show. It starts January 24th and lasts until February 15th. It 
is composed of many shows and the dealers who are there, often are required 
to set up and stay for a full three weeks by the show organizers. Some shows 
are wholesale only and you need to have a resale number to acquire items. I 
think all the meteorite dealers don't require this so you can make purchases 
without worry.

During this time many meteorite dealers set up in one form or another. Some 
are with the shows that are going on, some walk around and make sales from 
their transportation or out of bags they wheel around to avoid paying 
expensive show and motel fees. You can call some on cell phones and make 
arrangements to see what they have to offer and using the Meteorite Exchange 
"Show Guide" they will be prosting is a good way to go.

I agree that if you want to spend a whole week with the most meteorite 
dealers present you are best off being there any seven days around and 
including Feb 6 & 7. If you plan to attend this show you should have your 
motel reservations made if you want to stay in a reasonable place. Best to 
all!

--AL Mitterling





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael L Blood" <mlblood at cox.net>
To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Show "Schedule"


> Hi All,
>        Someone contacted me off list re the specific
> "schedule" of the Tucson Gem & Mineral Show. I
> Wrote him back, then realized there may be a bunch
> Of listees who would like the same info. Also, remember
> That Meteorite Exchange will be prosting their famous
> "Show Guide" closser to the event - that will tell you
> Exactly WHERE each and every dealer will be.
>        For now, here is the "schedule" as far as the meteorite
> Part of it goes:
> --
> BIRTHDAY BASH : Fri, Feb. 6 - usually about 8PM?
>
> Dealers start trickling in on the weekend preceding the
> 7th and are mostly all there by Sunday - this year will be
> Like Sunday, Feb 1 - most try to open by Sat (this year, Sat,
> Jan 31) but some won't get unpacked until Monday (Feb 2)
> Many meteorite dealers start packing up to leave by Wed .
> So, as you can see, there is NOT a simple answer.
> ALL meteorite dealers are there, set up and open. (This year, that is
> Fri, Feb 6 & Sat, Feb 7). The weekend before & after consists
> Of most, but all not there and in various stages of unloading or packing
> To leave and many not really "open" some of those days. If you want to
> Spend a whole week with the most meteorite dealers present you are
> best off from any seven days around and including Feb 6 & 7.
> I HOPE this answers your question. As I said, there is no clear
> Cut "start" date and the end date IS Sunday, Feb 15 this year - but
> Many dealers will have left prior to the official end date.
>        Best wishes, Michael


From bobl at peaktopeak.com  Sat Nov  1 11:48:44 2008
From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 09:48:44 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] cleaning Millbillillie ?
In-Reply-To: <FDBB17BF3B5342ACBBB601AF5E17F0CB@tett1>
Message-ID: <20081101154858.4E8C81055E@mailwash5.pair.com>

Hi tett,

I don't know how to remove that red staining safely, but I would not want to
do it to my Millbillillie because the red stain is a uniquely identifying
feature of Millbillillie's.  When you or anyone sees the red stain on that
eucrite, it's obviously a Millbillillie.  If you remove the staining, then
there is no way to know where it fell.  Just my opinion.

Regards,

Bob


-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of tett
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:58 PM
To: meteorite list
Subject: [meteorite-list] cleaning Millbillillie ?

List,

Happy Halloween!

Wondering if anyone has successfully cleaned Millibillillie indivduals.  Can

one remove some of the red staining to reveal the black glassy fusion crust 
without damaging that crust?

Cheers,

tett 

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From bobl at peaktopeak.com  Sat Nov  1 11:52:02 2008
From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 09:52:02 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space station trash plunging to Earth
Message-ID: <20081101155216.40C2910613@mailwash5.pair.com>

Someone could get another light show on Sunday night (or early Monday
morning, depending on where you live):

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27479972/

Bob


From geoking at notkin.net  Sat Nov  1 14:56:37 2008
From: geoking at notkin.net (Notkin)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 11:56:37 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson 2009 Dates and Info
Message-ID: <C4501C55-7370-433A-BEFD-0B74CD4BB441@notkin.net>

Dear Listees:

For those of you who are new to the Tucson show, I wanted to second  
some of the helpful info posted by Michael Blood and Al Mitterling.  
The "shows" are a little confusing and complicated, as there are  
approximately 45 separate events encompassing rocks, fossils, gems,  
jewelry, meteorites, crafts, etc., which run roughly concurrently  
during the first two weeks of February each year. Most shows (and  
nearly all of the meteorite vendors) are open to the public; a few are  
trade only and require reseller IDs to enter. Most of those are gem  
and jewelry shows.

The shows that are among the most popular with the meteorite community  
are typically part of the Arizona Mineral & Fossil Show which includes  
the InnSuites Hotel where you can find Anne Black, Mike Farmer, Marvin  
Kilgore, Alain Carion, Edwin Thompson, Bruno & Carinne Fectay, myself  
and others. The AMFS also runs the Ramada Limited where you can find  
the famous Blaine Reed. Show dates for those hotels are January 31  
through February 14. Also of note is the Westward Look Mineral show  
where Bob Haag and Allan Lang are regular exhibitors. That show runs  
from February 6 through 9 only!

The so-called "big weekend" will be Friday Feb. 6 and Saturday Feb. 7,  
when Michael Blood hosts his annual People's Auction, and Steve  
"Brenham" Arnold and I throw the annual Meteor Mayhem Birthday Bash  
and Harvey Awards. This will be our tenth consecutive party, so we'll  
try and do something special for you  : )  All are welcome, especially  
first time visitors. Details TBA.

If you are planning on journeying to Tucson for the show, make sure to  
book a hotel soon. You will have extreme difficulty in renting a room  
or car around showtime.

The highway work continues on I-10 (ack!), which means all exits in  
central Tucson are closed and traffic will be worse than usual. Use  
Frontage Road and Freeway (service roads which run parallel to the  
highway) to get around, or hop on one of the free shuttle bus services.

I will be posting useful visitor tips and details on one of my  
websites closer to the show. Only twelve weeks to go.


Regards,

Geoff N.
www.aerolite.org
www.campometeorites.com

From geoking at notkin.net  Sat Nov  1 15:04:41 2008
From: geoking at notkin.net (Notkin)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 12:04:41 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] [AD] Excellent and Eccentric eBay Aerolites
Message-ID: <255E7FF8-B31A-484B-A90B-7554EE0DEAAD@notkin.net>

Dear Listees:

Happy November.

We have a number of good meteorite auctions running on eBay at the  
moment, with half of them closing tomorrow, Sunday.



Of note is a lovely Taza/NWA 859 individual, partially fusion crusted:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170271841093



. . . an authentic Jim Kriegh/Twink Monrad Gold Basin at only 99 cents!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170271841998



. . . and a cute little Allende individual currently at three bucks. A  
bargain for someone!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160292486399


As always all our meteorite auctions are NO RESERVE.


All items up for auction can be seen here:

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQsassZaerolitemeteorites



Super cool instant recap with photos at Meteorite.com thanks to Paul  
Harris, Maestro of the Internet:

http://www.meteorite.com/meteorite-dealers/dealer-listings/aerolite.htm


Thanks for looking and, enjoy the weekend, and American subscribers  
don't forget to vote on Tuesday!


Geoff N.
www.aerolite.org
www.campometeorites.com

From paul at meteorite.com  Sat Nov  1 16:57:23 2008
From: paul at meteorite.com (Paul Harris)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 13:57:23 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Help Identifying a strange Franconia Iron
Message-ID: <490CC2B3.8090904@meteorite.com>

Dear List,

Jim and I have have just returned from Franconia where I found a new 
iron that looks like it was dropped by someone a while ago.  If anyone 
recognizes it please contact me off list so I can ship to the rightful 
owner. http://www.meteorite.com/franconia_find.jpg

Thank you,

Paul Harris


From info at niger-meteorite-recon.de  Sat Nov  1 17:31:51 2008
From: info at niger-meteorite-recon.de (Meteorite-Recon.com)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 22:31:51 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] achondrite individuals and irons - AD
Message-ID: <13414416.89021225575111755.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver>

Ladies & gentlemen,

as announced earlier I am parting with a few specimens from my personal collection. These meteorites were carefully selected over years, they meet the highest aesthetical standards and they are worth billions (if you had to collect them via sample return missions from the source).

View for your leisure:

http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/werffroenne

cheers

Svend


www.meteorite-recon.com

From tett at rogers.com  Sat Nov  1 17:50:20 2008
From: tett at rogers.com (tett)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 17:50:20 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] cleaning Millbillillie ?
References: <20081101154858.4E8C81055E@mailwash5.pair.com>
Message-ID: <7EC4368ADF2B4D6883B01D73F04382C0@tett1>

Bob,

I agree that there is a special characteristic that would be lost if the red 
staining were to be removed from a Millbillillie individual.  However, it is 
also great to have meteorites pristine with no terrestrial alteration.

The priciest Millbillillies are those that with dark black glassy crusts.

Best to have lots of these, some with the unique red staining and some with 
a pristine black crust.

Cheers!

tett


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Loeffler" <bobl at peaktopeak.com>
To: "'meteorite list'" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] cleaning Millbillillie ?


> Hi tett,
>
> I don't know how to remove that red staining safely, but I would not want 
> to
> do it to my Millbillillie because the red stain is a uniquely identifying
> feature of Millbillillie's.  When you or anyone sees the red stain on that
> eucrite, it's obviously a Millbillillie.  If you remove the staining, then
> there is no way to know where it fell.  Just my opinion.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bob
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of tett
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:58 PM
> To: meteorite list
> Subject: [meteorite-list] cleaning Millbillillie ?
>
> List,
>
> Happy Halloween!
>
> Wondering if anyone has successfully cleaned Millibillillie indivduals. 
> Can
>
> one remove some of the red staining to reveal the black glassy fusion 
> crust
> without damaging that crust?
>
> Cheers,
>
> tett
>
> ______________________________________________
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From p.marmet at sunrise.ch  Sat Nov  1 17:56:44 2008
From: p.marmet at sunrise.ch (Peter Marmet)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 22:56:44 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - ebay auctions ending soon!
Message-ID: <871799a20811011456p4281cd20me0cc8c3c001be978@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

I have 21 ebay auctions ending in less than a day:

Historic Meteorites and great NWA's!


 http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZpema9


Thank you,
Peter

Peter Marmet
Bern, Switzerland
IMCA #2747
p.marmet at mysunrise.ch
http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/
ebay: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZpema9

From marcin at meteoryty.pl  Sat Nov  1 20:17:56 2008
From: marcin at meteoryty.pl (Marcin Cimala - PolandMET)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 01:17:56 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] I have found "life" in my CO3
References: <13414416.89021225575111755.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver>
Message-ID: <000f01c93c80$7894fc00$0d00000a@polandmezrd5i9>

Hello List

Tooday I wanted to make some description for my new meteorites. When I 
opened one of the boxes, something white almost eat me :)

OK now seriously
Here is my new MC058 CO3.x chondrite. I received it on end of august, cut 
several slices and store it in cardboard box like all other meteorites that 
wait for clasification. Tooday I wanted to make photos and I have found 
large white crystals growing on both sides of two slices.
Wow, something fantastic.

I remember I have similar things on my Ogrueil, but this one is much more 
larger. Anyone know what it is ?

I will leave them in box for next two months and lets wait if this will 
still grown. But now there will maybe be too cold for them. Anyway I will 
try to hold them undamaged even for next year.

Have fun
http://www.polandmet.com/_mc058.htm

PS.
I have for sale three large complete specimens of new CV3, unclassified but 
propably paired with one of the lates CV's. TKW = 1154g. Attractive low 
price. Specimens will be classified. For more info please email me.

-----[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-----[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-----
http://www.Meteoryty.pl             marcin(at)meteoryty.pl
http://www.PolandMET.com       marcin(at)meteorite.pl
http://www.Gao-Guenie.com      GSM: +48 (793) kosmos
--------[ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]--------


From majbaermann at web.de  Sat Nov  1 20:25:36 2008
From: majbaermann at web.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Matthias_B=E4rmann?=)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 01:25:36 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] I have found "life" in my CO3
References: <13414416.89021225575111755.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver>
	<000f01c93c80$7894fc00$0d00000a@polandmezrd5i9>
Message-ID: <437788C935224659918F111F8266A02E@thinkcentre>

Incredible, Marcin! Tomorrow please try to talk to them ;-)

Thanks, my best - Matthias

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marcin Cimala - PolandMET" <marcin at meteoryty.pl>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 1:17 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] I have found "life" in my CO3


> Hello List
>
> Tooday I wanted to make some description for my new meteorites. When I 
> opened one of the boxes, something white almost eat me :)
>
> OK now seriously
> Here is my new MC058 CO3.x chondrite. I received it on end of august, cut 
> several slices and store it in cardboard box like all other meteorites 
> that wait for clasification. Tooday I wanted to make photos and I have 
> found large white crystals growing on both sides of two slices.
> Wow, something fantastic.
>
> I remember I have similar things on my Ogrueil, but this one is much more 
> larger. Anyone know what it is ?
>
> I will leave them in box for next two months and lets wait if this will 
> still grown. But now there will maybe be too cold for them. Anyway I will 
> try to hold them undamaged even for next year.
>
> Have fun
> http://www.polandmet.com/_mc058.htm
>
> PS.
> I have for sale three large complete specimens of new CV3, unclassified 
> but propably paired with one of the lates CV's. TKW = 1154g. Attractive 
> low price. Specimens will be classified. For more info please email me.
>
> -----[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-----[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-----
> http://www.Meteoryty.pl             marcin(at)meteoryty.pl
> http://www.PolandMET.com       marcin(at)meteorite.pl
> http://www.Gao-Guenie.com      GSM: +48 (793) kosmos
> --------[ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]--------
>
> ______________________________________________
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> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list 


From gmhupe at htn.net  Sat Nov  1 20:32:13 2008
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 20:32:13 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] I have found "life" in my CO3
References: <13414416.89021225575111755.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver>
	<000f01c93c80$7894fc00$0d00000a@polandmezrd5i9>
Message-ID: <82F83B3C0EA34180AE7415E0F1037205@Gregor>

Hello Marcin,

Looks like you have figured out a way to grow Fiberglass!! I will have to 
offer some CO material to boat owners here in Florida who need to patch 
their leaking boats.

Best regards,
Greg

====================
Greg Hupe
The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
gmhupe at htn.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163
====================
Click here for my current eBay auctions: 
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marcin Cimala - PolandMET" <marcin at meteoryty.pl>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 8:17 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] I have found "life" in my CO3


> Hello List
>
> Tooday I wanted to make some description for my new meteorites. When I 
> opened one of the boxes, something white almost eat me :)
>
> OK now seriously
> Here is my new MC058 CO3.x chondrite. I received it on end of august, cut 
> several slices and store it in cardboard box like all other meteorites 
> that wait for clasification. Tooday I wanted to make photos and I have 
> found large white crystals growing on both sides of two slices.
> Wow, something fantastic.
>
> I remember I have similar things on my Ogrueil, but this one is much more 
> larger. Anyone know what it is ?
>
> I will leave them in box for next two months and lets wait if this will 
> still grown. But now there will maybe be too cold for them. Anyway I will 
> try to hold them undamaged even for next year.
>
> Have fun
> http://www.polandmet.com/_mc058.htm
>
> PS.
> I have for sale three large complete specimens of new CV3, unclassified 
> but propably paired with one of the lates CV's. TKW = 1154g. Attractive 
> low price. Specimens will be classified. For more info please email me.
>
> -----[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-----[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-----
> http://www.Meteoryty.pl             marcin(at)meteoryty.pl
> http://www.PolandMET.com       marcin(at)meteorite.pl
> http://www.Gao-Guenie.com      GSM: +48 (793) kosmos
> --------[ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]--------
>
> ______________________________________________
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From axelsson at acc.umu.se  Sat Nov  1 20:42:41 2008
From: axelsson at acc.umu.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=F6ran_Axelsson?=)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:42:41 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] I have found "life" in my CO3
In-Reply-To: <000f01c93c80$7894fc00$0d00000a@polandmezrd5i9>
References: <13414416.89021225575111755.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver>
	<000f01c93c80$7894fc00$0d00000a@polandmezrd5i9>
Message-ID: <490CF781.5090201@acc.umu.se>

Could it be gypsum?

Oxidation of sulphides -> sulphuric acid, reacts with CAI and silicates 
-> CaSO4 = gypsum.

I have had a number of weathered  sulphide ore samples which have 
developed white patches on the surface after I have washed them. I don't 
know if it is gypsum on my specimens but I have always suspected it.

Thanks for sharing!

/G?ran

Marcin Cimala - PolandMET wrote:
> Hello List
>
> Tooday I wanted to make some description for my new meteorites. When I 
> opened one of the boxes, something white almost eat me :)
>
> OK now seriously
> Here is my new MC058 CO3.x chondrite. I received it on end of august, 
> cut several slices and store it in cardboard box like all other 
> meteorites that wait for clasification. Tooday I wanted to make photos 
> and I have found large white crystals growing on both sides of two 
> slices.
> Wow, something fantastic.
>
> I remember I have similar things on my Ogrueil, but this one is much 
> more larger. Anyone know what it is ?
>
> I will leave them in box for next two months and lets wait if this 
> will still grown. But now there will maybe be too cold for them. 
> Anyway I will try to hold them undamaged even for next year.
>
> Have fun
> http://www.polandmet.com/_mc058.htm
>
> PS.
> I have for sale three large complete specimens of new CV3, 
> unclassified but propably paired with one of the lates CV's. TKW = 
> 1154g. Attractive low price. Specimens will be classified. For more 
> info please email me.
>
> -----[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-----[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-----
> http://www.Meteoryty.pl             marcin(at)meteoryty.pl
> http://www.PolandMET.com       marcin(at)meteorite.pl
> http://www.Gao-Guenie.com      GSM: +48 (793) kosmos
> --------[ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]--------
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>


From STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com  Sat Nov  1 21:06:05 2008
From: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com (STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 21:06:05 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] I have found "life" in my CO3
Message-ID: <d69.3212b728.363e56fd@aol.com>

I have some big unclassified NWA that I have  nicknamed UBS or Ugly Black 
Stuff and it was growing similar looking white thin  crystals as well but only in 
certain parts (Patches)

I am guessing  moisture accelerates it.

Tom

In a message dated 11/1/2008 6:43:10  P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, 
axelsson at acc.umu.se writes:
Could it be  gypsum?

Oxidation of sulphides -> sulphuric acid, reacts with CAI and  silicates 
-> CaSO4 = gypsum.

I have had a number of  weathered  sulphide ore samples which have 
developed white patches on  the surface after I have washed them. I don't 
know if it is gypsum on my  specimens but I have always suspected it.

Thanks for  sharing!

/G?ran

Marcin Cimala - PolandMET wrote:
> Hello  List
>
> Tooday I wanted to make some description for my new  meteorites. When I 
> opened one of the boxes, something white almost eat  me :)
>
> OK now seriously
> Here is my new MC058 CO3.x  chondrite. I received it on end of august, 
> cut several slices and store  it in cardboard box like all other 
> meteorites that wait for  clasification. Tooday I wanted to make photos 
> and I have found large  white crystals growing on both sides of two 
> slices.
> Wow,  something fantastic.
>
> I remember I have similar things on my  Ogrueil, but this one is much 
> more larger. Anyone know what it is  ?
>
> I will leave them in box for next two months and lets wait if  this 
> will still grown. But now there will maybe be too cold for them.  
> Anyway I will try to hold them undamaged even for next  year.
>
> Have fun
>  http://www.polandmet.com/_mc058.htm
>
> PS.
> I have for sale  three large complete specimens of new CV3, 
> unclassified but propably  paired with one of the lates CV's. TKW = 
> 1154g. Attractive low price.  Specimens will be classified. For more 
> info please email  me.
>
> -----[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-----[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-----
>  http://www.Meteoryty.pl              marcin(at)meteoryty.pl
>  http://www.PolandMET.com        marcin(at)meteorite.pl
>  http://www.Gao-Guenie.com      GSM: +48 (793)  kosmos
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From mlblood at cox.net  Sat Nov  1 22:00:46 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 19:00:46 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Friends
In-Reply-To: <11416B1CDC0B4187954BE8B538A6AFD5@Gregor>
Message-ID: <C53257DE.1B589%mlblood@cox.net>

Greetings all,
        The long awaited handsome visage of Jerry Armstrong
Can now be seen on the Friends Page at:

http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/MeteoriteFriends.html

        Remember, everyone is listed in alphabetical order by their
FIRST NAME. 
        Also, there are A LOT of people on the list that still haven't
Mailed me a jpg of their mug so everyone knows to whom they
Are writing!  Jerry Armstrong has been my friend for YEARS
And just got around to it!
        RSVP off list please.
        Thanks, Michael








From desam07 at hotmail.com  Sat Nov  1 23:12:31 2008
From: desam07 at hotmail.com (HANS D.)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 21:12:31 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] =?windows-1256?q?4_Muonionalusta_for_sale=FE?=
Message-ID: <BAY126-W86BC993A85CB2DCA9E557B6220@phx.gbl>



Hi, I have a sweden friend who has 4 Meteorites Muonionalusta for sale:

1- 8240 grams, size aprox. 7.75" x 6" x 2.9"

2- 2040 grams, size aprox. 5.7" x 4.07" x 1.61"

3- 4520 grams, size aprox. 5.13" x 4.75" x 3.41"

4- 4660 grams, size aprox. 7" x 4.25" x 3.35"

I can send you pictures too, any offer?

Thanks,                                                     Hans Dal Molin

_________________________________________________________________
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From rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com  Sun Nov  2 01:08:00 2008
From: rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com (Rob Wesel)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 22:08:00 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] I have found "life" in my CO3
References: <13414416.89021225575111755.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver>
	<000f01c93c80$7894fc00$0d00000a@polandmezrd5i9>
Message-ID: <014401c93ca8$fad97f60$6501a8c0@windows9bb74fe>

Very cool Marcin

I had the opportunity once to watch this in action. I was with our own Edwin 
Thompson one night cutting some Franconia specimens when we noticed a single 
horn shaped crystal start to appear on a freshly cut surface. We quickly 
threw it under the microscope and were able to watch it grow before our 
eyes. Nothing like the mass of crystals on your CO3 but nothing short of 
amazing to have witnessed. We speculated it was Augite, such would not be 
the case with yours. Looking very forward a continued update on yours as 
time goes by.

Rob Wesel
http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
------------------
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and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marcin Cimala - PolandMET" <marcin at meteoryty.pl>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 5:17 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] I have found "life" in my CO3


> Hello List
>
> Tooday I wanted to make some description for my new meteorites. When I 
> opened one of the boxes, something white almost eat me :)
>
> OK now seriously
> Here is my new MC058 CO3.x chondrite. I received it on end of august, cut 
> several slices and store it in cardboard box like all other meteorites 
> that wait for clasification. Tooday I wanted to make photos and I have 
> found large white crystals growing on both sides of two slices.
> Wow, something fantastic.
>
> I remember I have similar things on my Ogrueil, but this one is much more 
> larger. Anyone know what it is ?
>
> I will leave them in box for next two months and lets wait if this will 
> still grown. But now there will maybe be too cold for them. Anyway I will 
> try to hold them undamaged even for next year.
>
> Have fun
> http://www.polandmet.com/_mc058.htm
>
> PS.
> I have for sale three large complete specimens of new CV3, unclassified 
> but propably paired with one of the lates CV's. TKW = 1154g. Attractive 
> low price. Specimens will be classified. For more info please email me.
>
> -----[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-----[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-----
> http://www.Meteoryty.pl             marcin(at)meteoryty.pl
> http://www.PolandMET.com       marcin(at)meteorite.pl
> http://www.Gao-Guenie.com      GSM: +48 (793) kosmos
> --------[ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]--------
>
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From gsac at gmx.net  Sun Nov  2 11:24:32 2008
From: gsac at gmx.net (Alexander Seidel)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 17:24:32 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] cleaning Millbillillie ?
In-Reply-To: <7EC4368ADF2B4D6883B01D73F04382C0@tett1>
References: <20081101154858.4E8C81055E@mailwash5.pair.com>
	<7EC4368ADF2B4D6883B01D73F04382C0@tett1>
Message-ID: <20081102162432.96440@gmx.net>

> I agree that there is a special characteristic that would be lost if the
> red staining were to be removed from a Millbillillie individual.  However,
> it is also great to have meteorites pristine with no terrestrial alteration.
> The priciest Millbillillies are those that with dark black glassy crusts.

No, a meteorite like Millbillillie should be looked at in a much more subtle way!
 
It fell in 1960, and was collected no earlier than 10 years later! Talking about
Millbillillie is exciting in many respects, as it e. g. displays different textures on
cut slices, but talking about exterior surface, I would always prefer a piece with
natural (laterite) patina over a piece which was somehow "cleaned" (..if this were
possible..) or has only got some more or less glossy black crust alone rather than
the brownish-reddish surface stains that are so very *typical* for this meteorite,
and are part of its "character", so to say...!

You are right insofar as, when we are talking about may be fresh Eucrites or fresh
Howardites, we are looking and longing for fresh glossy black crust in the first place,
as will be the case with e. g. the early collected pieces of a historical fall like Stannern, 
or some rare other finds and falls, but things are a quite a bit different with a fall like 
Millbillillie, even if it occured as late as 1960, considered a "fresh" fall....

Well, nothing but my two (Euro-)Cents,
Alex
Berlin/Germany

  

From mlblood at cox.net  Sun Nov  2 15:18:35 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 12:18:35 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] new photo
In-Reply-To: <20081102162432.96440@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <C5334B1B.1B5C6%mlblood@cox.net>

Hi all,
        We now have the face of Wally Cluett to admire
On my Meteorite Friends Page:

 http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/MeteoriteFriends.html

        Only about 200 of you are hiding - howsabout coming out?
        Best wishes, Michael


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From majbaermann at web.de  Sun Nov  2 15:01:55 2008
From: majbaermann at web.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Matthias_B=E4rmann?=)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 21:01:55 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] cleaning Millbillillie ?
References: <20081101154858.4E8C81055E@mailwash5.pair.com><7EC4368ADF2B4D6883B01D73F04382C0@tett1>
	<20081102162432.96440@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <D04DB84BDBC649F7AA85661EED212F30@thinkcentre>

Hello Alex,

I completely agree with you. To continue with Australia'a laterite-red: 
would anyone like to clean this Henbury iron on
Dr. Svend Buhl's website?

http://www.niger-meteorite-recon.de/img_inventar/Meteorit%20Henbury.jpg

Can't imagine. In any case, I wouldn't. Its time on the surface of our 
planet is definitely part of a
meteorite's destiny.

My best, Matthias


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alexander Seidel" <gsac at gmx.net>
To: "tett" <tett at rogers.com>; <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>;
<bobl at peaktopeak.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] cleaning Millbillillie ?


>> I agree that there is a special characteristic that would be lost if the
>> red staining were to be removed from a Millbillillie individual.
>> However,
>> it is also great to have meteorites pristine with no terrestrial
>> alteration.
>> The priciest Millbillillies are those that with dark black glassy crusts.
>
> No, a meteorite like Millbillillie should be looked at in a much more
> subtle way!
>
> It fell in 1960, and was collected no earlier than 10 years later! Talking
> about
> Millbillillie is exciting in many respects, as it e. g. displays different
> textures on
> cut slices, but talking about exterior surface, I would always prefer a
> piece with
> natural (laterite) patina over a piece which was somehow "cleaned" (..if
> this were
> possible..) or has only got some more or less glossy black crust alone
> rather than
> the brownish-reddish surface stains that are so very *typical* for this
> meteorite,
> and are part of its "character", so to say...!
>
> You are right insofar as, when we are talking about may be fresh Eucrites
> or fresh
> Howardites, we are looking and longing for fresh glossy black crust in the
> first place,
> as will be the case with e. g. the early collected pieces of a historical
> fall like Stannern,
> or some rare other finds and falls, but things are a quite a bit different
> with a fall like
> Millbillillie, even if it occured as late as 1960, considered a "fresh"
> fall....
>
> Well, nothing but my two (Euro-)Cents,
> Alex
> Berlin/Germany
>
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list


From m_graul at yahoo.de  Sun Nov  2 15:36:50 2008
From: m_graul at yahoo.de (Mirko Graul)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 20:36:50 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Photos - Munich Mineral Show
Message-ID: <208002.79886.qm@web26306.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hello List and Meteorites friends,

back from the Munich minereal show i can say it was a very nice time.
I meets many meteorites friends,dealers and collectors.
And i would like to show my photos from this show.


http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af993b0042c09/0334af9b3f0cca503/index.php

http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af993b0042c09/0334af9b3f0cdf718/index.html

http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af993b0042c09/0334af9b3f0cf1d22/index.html

http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af993b0042c09/0334af9b3f0cf4f29/index.html

http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af993b0042c09/0334af9b3f0cf9630/index.html


with best greetings to all,
Mirko




Mirko Graul Meteorite 
Quittenring.4 
16321 Bernau 
GERMANY 

Phone: 0049-1724105015 
E-Mail: m_graul at yahoo.de 

IMCA-Member: 2113 
(International Meteorite Collectors Association) 

Web: www.meteorite-mirko.de


      

From tett at rogers.com  Sun Nov  2 17:10:36 2008
From: tett at rogers.com (tett)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 17:10:36 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] cleaning Millbillillie ?
References: <20081101154858.4E8C81055E@mailwash5.pair.com>
	<7EC4368ADF2B4D6883B01D73F04382C0@tett1>
	<20081102162432.96440@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <02D4BD0178704687B63677698B7A2DCE@tett1>

I now have a much deeper appreciation for Millbillillie.

I will not attempt cleaning and will reflect on the "subtle" beauty these 
meteorites have.

Many Thanks!

Mike


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alexander Seidel" <gsac at gmx.net>
To: "tett" <tett at rogers.com>; <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; 
<bobl at peaktopeak.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] cleaning Millbillillie ?


>> I agree that there is a special characteristic that would be lost if the
>> red staining were to be removed from a Millbillillie individual. 
>> However,
>> it is also great to have meteorites pristine with no terrestrial 
>> alteration.
>> The priciest Millbillillies are those that with dark black glassy crusts.
>
> No, a meteorite like Millbillillie should be looked at in a much more 
> subtle way!
>
> It fell in 1960, and was collected no earlier than 10 years later! Talking 
> about
> Millbillillie is exciting in many respects, as it e. g. displays different 
> textures on
> cut slices, but talking about exterior surface, I would always prefer a 
> piece with
> natural (laterite) patina over a piece which was somehow "cleaned" (..if 
> this were
> possible..) or has only got some more or less glossy black crust alone 
> rather than
> the brownish-reddish surface stains that are so very *typical* for this 
> meteorite,
> and are part of its "character", so to say...!
>
> You are right insofar as, when we are talking about may be fresh Eucrites 
> or fresh
> Howardites, we are looking and longing for fresh glossy black crust in the 
> first place,
> as will be the case with e. g. the early collected pieces of a historical 
> fall like Stannern,
> or some rare other finds and falls, but things are a quite a bit different 
> with a fall like
> Millbillillie, even if it occured as late as 1960, considered a "fresh" 
> fall....
>
> Well, nothing but my two (Euro-)Cents,
> Alex
> Berlin/Germany
>
>
> 


From raremeteorites at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  2 18:58:43 2008
From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 15:58:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD -Fantastic Items Ending at Auction Soon - MUST
	SEE!
Message-ID: <937608.94349.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dear List Members,

Just a reminder that Bizarre, Rare and Fantastic items listed this week are due to end tomorrow. This will be the last set of auctions I run for some time as I moving just over a week from now. As I was going through and packing my collection, I ran into some really weird and rare items. I decided to list a few them, CHECK THEM OUT -- You will not be disappointed!

SPECIAL NOTE: Prompt Payment after the auction ends would be greatly appreciated as I am moving November 10Th.  This will be the last set of auctions I run for some time. I will have no computer access after November 9Th until I can re-establish them at my new location which could take weeks. I do not want to delay shipments so please only bid if you can pay right after the auction ends. Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter.

All auctions can be viewed at this link:
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And many items started at just 99 cents with no reserve can be found at this link:
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Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck.


Best Regards,

------------------------------------
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The Hupe Collection
Team LunarRock
IMCA 2185
raremeteorites at comcast.net


From bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  2 20:14:35 2008
From: bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com (mckinney trammell)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 17:14:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] cleaning Millbillillie ?
In-Reply-To: <02D4BD0178704687B63677698B7A2DCE@tett1>
Message-ID: <449162.9107.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

would oxaclic acid work like is does when removing red clay stains form quartz crystals?


--- On Sun, 11/2/08, tett <tett at rogers.com> wrote:

> From: tett <tett at rogers.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] cleaning Millbillillie ?
> To: "Alexander Seidel" <gsac at gmx.net>, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, bobl at peaktopeak.com
> Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 5:10 PM
> I now have a much deeper appreciation for Millbillillie.
> 
> I will not attempt cleaning and will reflect on the
> "subtle" beauty these 
> meteorites have.
> 
> Many Thanks!
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alexander Seidel" <gsac at gmx.net>
> To: "tett" <tett at rogers.com>;
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; 
> <bobl at peaktopeak.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] cleaning Millbillillie ?
> 
> 
> >> I agree that there is a special characteristic
> that would be lost if the
> >> red staining were to be removed from a
> Millbillillie individual. 
> >> However,
> >> it is also great to have meteorites pristine with
> no terrestrial 
> >> alteration.
> >> The priciest Millbillillies are those that with
> dark black glassy crusts.
> >
> > No, a meteorite like Millbillillie should be looked at
> in a much more 
> > subtle way!
> >
> > It fell in 1960, and was collected no earlier than 10
> years later! Talking 
> > about
> > Millbillillie is exciting in many respects, as it e.
> g. displays different 
> > textures on
> > cut slices, but talking about exterior surface, I
> would always prefer a 
> > piece with
> > natural (laterite) patina over a piece which was
> somehow "cleaned" (..if 
> > this were
> > possible..) or has only got some more or less glossy
> black crust alone 
> > rather than
> > the brownish-reddish surface stains that are so very
> *typical* for this 
> > meteorite,
> > and are part of its "character", so to
> say...!
> >
> > You are right insofar as, when we are talking about
> may be fresh Eucrites 
> > or fresh
> > Howardites, we are looking and longing for fresh
> glossy black crust in the 
> > first place,
> > as will be the case with e. g. the early collected
> pieces of a historical 
> > fall like Stannern,
> > or some rare other finds and falls, but things are a
> quite a bit different 
> > with a fall like
> > Millbillillie, even if it occured as late as 1960,
> considered a "fresh" 
> > fall....
> >
> > Well, nothing but my two (Euro-)Cents,
> > Alex
> > Berlin/Germany
> >
> >
> > 
> 
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list


      

From bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  2 20:17:48 2008
From: bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com (mckinney trammell)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 17:17:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] largest eucrite slice known
Message-ID: <761420.23877.qm@web53207.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

anybody got pix+info of the largest eucrite slice known? wanna see what a road-cut on vest would look like, as i intend to start selling lots up there  and building condos+ a ski area  & golf course there. stand by for PRECONSTRUCTION discount condo prices!!!


      

From daistiho at hotmail.com  Sun Nov  2 22:43:15 2008
From: daistiho at hotmail.com (tracy latimer)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 03:43:15 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite calendars?
Message-ID: <BAY115-W12D28258F2254D7E7A54B0CA1D0@phx.gbl>



Is anyone producing 2009 meteorite calendars?  The past few years, I've been lucky enough to get one, but I haven't seen anyone promoting their product on the List this year yet.  With Christmas coming up, this is the time, folks, so if you have a 2009 meteorite calendar, flog it NOW! :D

Best!
Tracy Latimer
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From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  3 09:06:03 2008
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 06:06:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Unusual new lunar or hokum?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.390.1225643075.3578.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <3932.40406.qm@web58402.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi Group!

I ran across this one on eBay today :

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350119620351

Something about it doesn't ring true.

There is a lot of quasi-scientific mumbo jumbo in the listing.  

Is this for real or some highly-misinformed individual?

Regards,

MikeG


.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
..........................................................



      

From star-bits at tx.rr.com  Mon Nov  3 10:10:27 2008
From: star-bits at tx.rr.com (star-bits at tx.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:10:27 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad - eBay auctions ending soon.
Message-ID: <16113544.397831225725027259.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web14-z02>

Greetings all

    I have a few auctions closing shortly including

Martian shergotite individuals currently less than $60/gm
Allende 18 gram piece with large CAI at $3.65/gm
Covert 29 grams with nice veining $1/gm
Camel donga currently at $2/gm
CR2  Dhofar 1432 at $0.50/gm
very large 27 gram henbury impactite at less than 10 cents per gram.  Last piece sold at $10/gm

See them all and others at

<http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=katy2kary>
--
Eric Olson
610 W. Moore Rd
Tucson AZ 85755

http://www.star-bits.com


From brandes at gmx.at  Mon Nov  3 10:50:06 2008
From: brandes at gmx.at (Stefan Brandes)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:50:06 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Unusual new lunar or hokum?
References: <3932.40406.qm@web58402.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002c01c93dcb$d85319f0$f49a2fd5@HP17984996113>

doesn?t this lunar have a name, with all this classification done???

Stefan the lunatic




> Hi Group!
>
> I ran across this one on eBay today :
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350119620351
>
> Something about it doesn't ring true.
>
> There is a lot of quasi-scientific mumbo jumbo in the listing.
>
> Is this for real or some highly-misinformed individual?
>
> Regards,
>
> MikeG
>
>
> .........................................................
> Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
> Member of the Meteoritical Society.
> Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
> Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
> MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
> ..........................................................
>
>
>
>
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From tbear1 at cableone.net  Mon Nov  3 11:06:36 2008
From: tbear1 at cableone.net (Ted Bunch)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 09:06:36 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Unusual new lunar or hokum?
In-Reply-To: <3932.40406.qm@web58402.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C5346F9C.8568%tbear1@cableone.net>

Hi Mike - I concur, the whole picture looks strange to me. A 5 ton lunar
meteorite in  one piece? Where were the O2 analyses done? There are only a
few trustworthy labs that can do O2 analyses. In any case, I don't think the
reported O2 data are that discriminating between lunar and terrestrial.
Some of the mineralogy looks OK, some does not. The plotted major oxide
compositional data look impressive for lunar origin, but there are
terrestrial mafic compositions that are just as lunar-looking. The hand
sample surface is very irregular and looks more like a weathered terrestrial
surface than fusion crust.

Looks like a duck, walks like a duck, but it doesn't quack like a duck.  My
advice is to wait until it has been officially classified and/or Randy
Korotev has looked it over before buying a piece. I also suggest that the
Starchaser group do FeO/MnO ratios on olivine and pyroxene. These ratios are
discriminating and can save everyone a lot of trouble. My guess is that this
"lunar" is a glacial erratic from Canada.

Buyer beware,

Ted Bunch




On 11/3/08 7:06 AM, "Michael Gilmer" <michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi Group!
> 
> I ran across this one on eBay today :
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350119620351
> 
> Something about it doesn't ring true.
> 
> There is a lot of quasi-scientific mumbo jumbo in the listing.
> 
> Is this for real or some highly-misinformed individual?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> MikeG
> 
> 
> .........................................................
> Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
> Member of the Meteoritical Society.
> Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
> Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
> MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
> ..........................................................
> 
> 
> 
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From meteoritekid at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 11:14:05 2008
From: meteoritekid at gmail.com (Jason Utas)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 08:14:05 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Unusual new lunar or hokum?
In-Reply-To: <002c01c93dcb$d85319f0$f49a2fd5@HP17984996113>
References: <3932.40406.qm@web58402.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<002c01c93dcb$d85319f0$f49a2fd5@HP17984996113>
Message-ID: <93aaac890811030814g581c60f6ra0693c7147dea26a@mail.gmail.com>

Hola,
This fellow's been selling complete crap for the past year or so.
Terrestrial slag as a new "plessitic octahedrite," Campo del Cielo's
as Canyon Diablo's (a difference of $200-250/kg in value), and bits of
terrestrial metamorphic/igneous crap (see the link) as lunar material.
 He's repeatedly shrugged off demands for real classifications, never
mind his blatant selling of false and renamed material.
There are people who make honest mistakes and there are cheaters.
This one's about as sleazy as they get.
Regards,
Jason


On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 7:50 AM, Stefan Brandes <brandes at gmx.at> wrote:
> doesn?t this lunar have a name, with all this classification done???
>
> Stefan the lunatic
>
>
>
>
>> Hi Group!
>>
>> I ran across this one on eBay today :
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350119620351
>>
>> Something about it doesn't ring true.
>>
>> There is a lot of quasi-scientific mumbo jumbo in the listing.
>>
>> Is this for real or some highly-misinformed individual?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> MikeG
>>
>>
>> .........................................................
>> Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
>> Member of the Meteoritical Society.
>> Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
>> Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
>> MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
>> ..........................................................
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From cynapse at charter.net  Mon Nov  3 23:21:20 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:21:20 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Unusual new lunar or hokum?
In-Reply-To: <C5346F9C.8568%tbear1@cableone.net>
References: <3932.40406.qm@web58402.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<C5346F9C.8568%tbear1@cableone.net>
Message-ID: <47jvg4hthvq4796mrbtgoq5e15lghsdl58@4ax.com>

On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 09:06:36 -0700, you wrote:

>Looks like a duck, walks like a duck, but it doesn't quack like a duck.  

A rule of thumb I have for anything is-- if it writes like a duck, it probably
should be avoided.  And that auction description is written as a duck had wrote
it-- meaning that the quality of the writing looks like a migratory waterfowl
has been pecking at a keyboard.  Anyone who is a native English speaker that
composes English text that badly has to have something wrong with them, and
should be treated with extreme suspicion.

Plus, this:

http://meteorite-identification.com/ebay/minor.html

From stm at bellsouth.net  Mon Nov  3 11:24:40 2008
From: stm at bellsouth.net (Sean T. Murray)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:24:40 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Unusual new lunar or hokum?
In-Reply-To: <002c01c93dcb$d85319f0$f49a2fd5@HP17984996113>
References: <3932.40406.qm@web58402.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<002c01c93dcb$d85319f0$f49a2fd5@HP17984996113>
Message-ID: <DFA42135B2044653870E172FD78046A1@Platinum2>

Yes - it has a name - Asphalt 001.

Mitch is back... same old charts, different rocks.

1.) "Found by Starchasers Meteorites August 2005, ILLinois USA"
2.) "Classified by Starchasers Meteorite Curator Mitchell R. Minor"
3.) "Starchasers Meteorites is the Sole supplier for this Illinois USA Lunar 
Breccia Olivine Gabbro Mixed Mingled Mare Basalt"
4.) "Comes with Certificate Of Authenticity from Starchasers Meteorite 
Collection, and comes with LIFETIME AUTHENTICITY GUARANTEE. We guarantee all 
meteorites we sell are authentic, and we offer a 30 day money back 
satisfaction guarantee minus shipping cost"
(minus shipping cost?  Shipping is free!)

With a main mass of 11,150 lbs. Mitch will be setup for life if he can just 
find someone to buy it.  Though, shipping is free and it comes with one of 
Ron's membrane boxes :) - therefore it must be a lunar....

YOU DON'T NEED A MICROSCOPE TO ENJOY THIS BEAUTY!
(but you do need some form of head trauma)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stefan Brandes" <brandes at gmx.at>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Unusual new lunar or hokum?


doesn?t this lunar have a name, with all this classification done???

Stefan the lunatic




> Hi Group!
>
> I ran across this one on eBay today :
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350119620351
>
> Something about it doesn't ring true.
>
> There is a lot of quasi-scientific mumbo jumbo in the listing.
>
> Is this for real or some highly-misinformed individual?
>
> Regards,
>
> MikeG
>
>
> .........................................................
> Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
> Member of the Meteoritical Society.
> Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
> Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
> MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
> ..........................................................
>
>
>
>
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From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  3 11:38:03 2008
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 08:38:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Unusual new lunar or hokum?
In-Reply-To: <3932.40406.qm@web58402.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <737649.355.qm@web45601.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>


I recieved a sample of his "Lunar" for me to have tested - I told him I would buy it after I had it tested.... it IS NOT LUNAR. 
I even forwarded my test results to ebay who keeps allowing the clown to list it. Ebay is downright dirty and is boardering of contributing to fraud and this guys scam.
This guy is a liar, ebay knows it and has done nothing about it.


--- On Mon, 11/3/08, Michael Gilmer <michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Michael Gilmer <michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Unusual new lunar or hokum?
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 9:06 AM
> Hi Group!
> 
> I ran across this one on eBay today :
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350119620351
> 
> Something about it doesn't ring true.
> 
> There is a lot of quasi-scientific mumbo jumbo in the
> listing.  
> 
> Is this for real or some highly-misinformed individual?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> MikeG
> 
> 
> .........................................................
> Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
> Member of the Meteoritical Society.
> Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
> Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and
> http://www.glassthrower.com
> MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
> ..........................................................
> 
> 
> 
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From meteoriteplaya at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 11:41:04 2008
From: meteoriteplaya at gmail.com (Mike Jensen)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:41:04 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Unusual new lunar or hokum?
In-Reply-To: <93aaac890811030814g581c60f6ra0693c7147dea26a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3932.40406.qm@web58402.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<002c01c93dcb$d85319f0$f49a2fd5@HP17984996113>
	<93aaac890811030814g581c60f6ra0693c7147dea26a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f9da8300811030841x7a5590b7x26474a088f3bd812@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All
This guy has been mentioned several times on the list and is a well
known scam artist. In fact he is so well know Randy Korotev has give
him his own page;
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m239.htm
It is too bad some one possibly bought a piece of his garbage;
http://cgi.ebay.com/LUNAR-METEORITE-OLIVINE-GABBRO-64-4-GRAM-SLICE-NICE_W0QQitemZ350001108996
Hard to be sure though as the sellers ID is kept secret.

How about this auction of his. Is it an Imilac?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350114894419


BTW I am going to block him from bidding on any of my Ebay auctions.


Mike



Mike Jensen Meteorites
16730 E Ada PL
Aurora, CO 80017-3137
USA
720-949-6220
IMCA 4264
website: www.jensenmeteorites.com



On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hola,
> This fellow's been selling complete crap for the past year or so.
> Terrestrial slag as a new "plessitic octahedrite," Campo del Cielo's
> as Canyon Diablo's (a difference of $200-250/kg in value), and bits of
> terrestrial metamorphic/igneous crap (see the link) as lunar material.
>  He's repeatedly shrugged off demands for real classifications, never
> mind his blatant selling of false and renamed material.
> There are people who make honest mistakes and there are cheaters.
> This one's about as sleazy as they get.
> Regards,
> Jason
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 7:50 AM, Stefan Brandes <brandes at gmx.at> wrote:
>> doesn?t this lunar have a name, with all this classification done???
>>
>> Stefan the lunatic
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi Group!
>>>
>>> I ran across this one on eBay today :
>>>
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350119620351
>>>
>>> Something about it doesn't ring true.
>>>
>>> There is a lot of quasi-scientific mumbo jumbo in the listing.
>>>
>>> Is this for real or some highly-misinformed individual?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> MikeG
>>>
>>>
>>> .........................................................
>>> Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
>>> Member of the Meteoritical Society.
>>> Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
>>> Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
>>> MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
>>> ..........................................................
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
>> ______________________________________________
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From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  3 12:14:47 2008
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:14:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] advise needed on classification
Message-ID: <995662.86051.qm@web45606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I have come across some very interesting material I would like to get formally classified.
can anyone point me in the right direction for doing this?
I have had testing done on it and so far, it seems to be an LL3 with mesosiderite inclusions.
How would I go about submitting it?
Images of the material from testing can bee seen here:
http://www.hostingphpbb.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=115&mforum=wwwmeteoritesto

Thanks,

Greg


      


From sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  3 12:19:36 2008
From: sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com (Steve Dunklee)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:19:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] cleaning Millbillillie ?
In-Reply-To: <449162.9107.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <593753.21121.qm@web33203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Yes. So might msg, tsp, Dmso, and white vinegar. depending on a lot of conditions. Anything with HCL or flourine should be avoided, as well as Sulfuric acid.

Steve 
    P.S.  But Don't clean them! they are like coins!


--- On Sun, 11/2/08, mckinney trammell <bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: mckinney trammell <bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] cleaning Millbillillie ?
> To: "Alexander Seidel" <gsac at gmx.net>, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, bobl at peaktopeak.com, "tett" <tett at rogers.com>
> Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 7:14 PM
> would oxaclic acid work like is does when removing red clay
> stains form quartz crystals?
> 
> 
> --- On Sun, 11/2/08, tett <tett at rogers.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: tett <tett at rogers.com>
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] cleaning Millbillillie ?
> > To: "Alexander Seidel" <gsac at gmx.net>,
> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, bobl at peaktopeak.com
> > Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 5:10 PM
> > I now have a much deeper appreciation for
> Millbillillie.
> > 
> > I will not attempt cleaning and will reflect on the
> > "subtle" beauty these 
> > meteorites have.
> > 
> > Many Thanks!
> > 
> > Mike
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Alexander Seidel"
> <gsac at gmx.net>
> > To: "tett" <tett at rogers.com>;
> > <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; 
> > <bobl at peaktopeak.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:24 AM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] cleaning Millbillillie ?
> > 
> > 
> > >> I agree that there is a special
> characteristic
> > that would be lost if the
> > >> red staining were to be removed from a
> > Millbillillie individual. 
> > >> However,
> > >> it is also great to have meteorites pristine
> with
> > no terrestrial 
> > >> alteration.
> > >> The priciest Millbillillies are those that
> with
> > dark black glassy crusts.
> > >
> > > No, a meteorite like Millbillillie should be
> looked at
> > in a much more 
> > > subtle way!
> > >
> > > It fell in 1960, and was collected no earlier
> than 10
> > years later! Talking 
> > > about
> > > Millbillillie is exciting in many respects, as it
> e.
> > g. displays different 
> > > textures on
> > > cut slices, but talking about exterior surface, I
> > would always prefer a 
> > > piece with
> > > natural (laterite) patina over a piece which was
> > somehow "cleaned" (..if 
> > > this were
> > > possible..) or has only got some more or less
> glossy
> > black crust alone 
> > > rather than
> > > the brownish-reddish surface stains that are so
> very
> > *typical* for this 
> > > meteorite,
> > > and are part of its "character", so to
> > say...!
> > >
> > > You are right insofar as, when we are talking
> about
> > may be fresh Eucrites 
> > > or fresh
> > > Howardites, we are looking and longing for fresh
> > glossy black crust in the 
> > > first place,
> > > as will be the case with e. g. the early
> collected
> > pieces of a historical 
> > > fall like Stannern,
> > > or some rare other finds and falls, but things
> are a
> > quite a bit different 
> > > with a fall like
> > > Millbillillie, even if it occured as late as
> 1960,
> > considered a "fresh" 
> > > fall....
> > >
> > > Well, nothing but my two (Euro-)Cents,
> > > Alex
> > > Berlin/Germany
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > 
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From sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  3 12:48:30 2008
From: sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com (Steve Dunklee)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:48:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] cleaning Millbillillie ?
In-Reply-To: <593753.21121.qm@web33203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <731336.91722.qm@web33205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Removing staining may give a meteorite a better visual appearance, but like with a valuable coin will remove valuable information. like age , original chemistry and possibly  fusion crust.
   If you had a proof silver dollar from 1860 would you soak it in oxalic acid to make it look better?

Have a great day!

Steve Dunklee


--- On Mon, 11/3/08, Steve Dunklee <sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Steve Dunklee <sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] cleaning Millbillillie ?
> To: "Alexander Seidel" <gsac at gmx.net>, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, bobl at peaktopeak.com, "tett" <tett at rogers.com>, bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com
> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 11:19 AM
> Yes. So might msg, tsp, Dmso, and white vinegar. depending
> on a lot of conditions. Anything with HCL or flourine should
> be avoided, as well as Sulfuric acid.
> 
> Steve 
>     P.S.  But Don't clean them! they are like coins!
> 
> 
> --- On Sun, 11/2/08, mckinney trammell
> <bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: mckinney trammell
> <bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] cleaning Millbillillie ?
> > To: "Alexander Seidel" <gsac at gmx.net>,
> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, bobl at peaktopeak.com,
> "tett" <tett at rogers.com>
> > Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 7:14 PM
> > would oxaclic acid work like is does when removing red
> clay
> > stains form quartz crystals?
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Sun, 11/2/08, tett <tett at rogers.com>
> wrote:
> > 
> > > From: tett <tett at rogers.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] cleaning
> Millbillillie ?
> > > To: "Alexander Seidel"
> <gsac at gmx.net>,
> > meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com,
> bobl at peaktopeak.com
> > > Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 5:10 PM
> > > I now have a much deeper appreciation for
> > Millbillillie.
> > > 
> > > I will not attempt cleaning and will reflect on
> the
> > > "subtle" beauty these 
> > > meteorites have.
> > > 
> > > Many Thanks!
> > > 
> > > Mike
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Alexander Seidel"
> > <gsac at gmx.net>
> > > To: "tett" <tett at rogers.com>;
> > > <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; 
> > > <bobl at peaktopeak.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:24 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] cleaning
> Millbillillie ?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > >> I agree that there is a special
> > characteristic
> > > that would be lost if the
> > > >> red staining were to be removed from a
> > > Millbillillie individual. 
> > > >> However,
> > > >> it is also great to have meteorites
> pristine
> > with
> > > no terrestrial 
> > > >> alteration.
> > > >> The priciest Millbillillies are those
> that
> > with
> > > dark black glassy crusts.
> > > >
> > > > No, a meteorite like Millbillillie should be
> > looked at
> > > in a much more 
> > > > subtle way!
> > > >
> > > > It fell in 1960, and was collected no
> earlier
> > than 10
> > > years later! Talking 
> > > > about
> > > > Millbillillie is exciting in many respects,
> as it
> > e.
> > > g. displays different 
> > > > textures on
> > > > cut slices, but talking about exterior
> surface, I
> > > would always prefer a 
> > > > piece with
> > > > natural (laterite) patina over a piece which
> was
> > > somehow "cleaned" (..if 
> > > > this were
> > > > possible..) or has only got some more or
> less
> > glossy
> > > black crust alone 
> > > > rather than
> > > > the brownish-reddish surface stains that are
> so
> > very
> > > *typical* for this 
> > > > meteorite,
> > > > and are part of its "character",
> so to
> > > say...!
> > > >
> > > > You are right insofar as, when we are
> talking
> > about
> > > may be fresh Eucrites 
> > > > or fresh
> > > > Howardites, we are looking and longing for
> fresh
> > > glossy black crust in the 
> > > > first place,
> > > > as will be the case with e. g. the early
> > collected
> > > pieces of a historical 
> > > > fall like Stannern,
> > > > or some rare other finds and falls, but
> things
> > are a
> > > quite a bit different 
> > > > with a fall like
> > > > Millbillillie, even if it occured as late as
> > 1960,
> > > considered a "fresh" 
> > > > fall....
> > > >
> > > > Well, nothing but my two (Euro-)Cents,
> > > > Alex
> > > > Berlin/Germany
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > 
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From yellowengine at earthlink.net  Mon Nov  3 13:31:03 2008
From: yellowengine at earthlink.net (RJP)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 13:31:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Cleaning Millbillillie (AD)
Message-ID: <8188286.1225737064268.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

..Or you can just purchase one that doesn't require any cleaning ; )

I have a lovely 212g individual complete with regmaglyps, glossy black fusion crust, and just enough staining, which adds to it's aesthetic qualities. $3180, OBO. Looking to make a quick sale on this one. 

Please email for photos if interested. Paypal accepted for those who wish to go that route. 

Thanks for looking folks!

Cheers,

Ryan Pawelski







From bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  3 13:39:24 2008
From: bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com (mckinney trammell)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:39:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Cleaning Millbillillie (AD)
In-Reply-To: <8188286.1225737064268.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <989639.44846.qm@web53202.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

just bought millb. on ebay for $5/g (red clay inc.).


--- On Mon, 11/3/08, RJP <yellowengine at earthlink.net> wrote:

> From: RJP <yellowengine at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cleaning Millbillillie (AD)
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 1:31 PM
> ..Or you can just purchase one that doesn't require any
> cleaning ; )
> 
> I have a lovely 212g individual complete with regmaglyps,
> glossy black fusion crust, and just enough staining, which
> adds to it's aesthetic qualities. $3180, OBO. Looking to
> make a quick sale on this one. 
> 
> Please email for photos if interested. Paypal accepted for
> those who wish to go that route. 
> 
> Thanks for looking folks!
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Ryan Pawelski
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  3 13:41:27 2008
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:41:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
Message-ID: <286035.51782.qm@web45610.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

""The junk was a tank full of ammonia coolant on the international space station that was no longer needed. Astronaut Clayton Anderson threw it overboard during a spacewalk in July 2007. 

Space station program manager Mike Suffredini said Monday that the debris splashed down somewhere between Australia and New Zealand Sunday night""


Am I alone in the idea that Nasa should be held criminaly liable for the polution of our waters?
If an ordinary person was to dump toxic material into the ocean, surely we would be in alot of trouble... just becouse they are Nasa does not make them above the law. Ammonia is highly toxic to marine life!
It is my opinion that this was an outright disrespect to the enviorment and a potential hazard to the marine life in the area of impact.
I am very upset about this and feel Nasa was totally wrong for the actions they have done.
This could have been handled in a much better fashion, and I for one would like to see Nasa held accountable for this.
I am really upset about this whole situtation.
surely if it had fallen on someones propery NASA would be in alot of trouble... 
Shame on you NASA. Shame on you Clayton Anderson.





 


      


From yellowengine at earthlink.net  Mon Nov  3 13:52:11 2008
From: yellowengine at earthlink.net (RJP)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 12:52:11 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Cleaning Millbillillie (AD)
Message-ID: <14033397.1225738332116.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Yeah.. I'm sure you did. Was it a broken weathered fragment or just a chunk of red clay?

And I don't appreciate you responding to my AD through the list. Everyone knows that you obviously purchased a far lesser grade of meteorite than the one I have to offer. $5 per gram? C'mon now. Honestly.

Ryan

From rsvp321 at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  3 13:50:45 2008
From: rsvp321 at hotmail.com (Pete Pete)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 13:50:45 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
In-Reply-To: <286035.51782.qm@web45610.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <286035.51782.qm@web45610.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY141-W715E8B3424FFBBD82EB42F81D0@phx.gbl>


I wouldn't mind if it landed on my property - right onto Ebay!

Cheers,
Pete





> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:41:27 -0800
> From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
>
> ""The junk was a tank full of ammonia coolant on the international space station that was no longer needed. Astronaut Clayton Anderson threw it overboard during a spacewalk in July 2007.
>
> Space station program manager Mike Suffredini said Monday that the debris splashed down somewhere between Australia and New Zealand Sunday night""
>
>
> Am I alone in the idea that Nasa should be held criminaly liable for the polution of our waters?
> If an ordinary person was to dump toxic material into the ocean, surely we would be in alot of trouble... just becouse they are Nasa does not make them above the law. Ammonia is highly toxic to marine life!
> It is my opinion that this was an outright disrespect to the enviorment and a potential hazard to the marine life in the area of impact.
> I am very upset about this and feel Nasa was totally wrong for the actions they have done.
> This could have been handled in a much better fashion, and I for one would like to see Nasa held accountable for this.
> I am really upset about this whole situtation.
> surely if it had fallen on someones propery NASA would be in alot of trouble...
> Shame on you NASA. Shame on you Clayton Anderson.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From clp at alumni.caltech.edu  Mon Nov  3 13:57:33 2008
From: clp at alumni.caltech.edu (Chris Peterson)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:57:33 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
References: <286035.51782.qm@web45610.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E0116F45A76B4CE3B92F13470D19A2B5@bellatrix>

Hi Greg-

It is inaccurate to say that this object "splashed down". In fact, much of 
it burned away during reentry, leaving much smaller debris. It would seem 
extremely unlikely that any ammonia was left by the time pieces hit the 
water. So there was only a bit of scrap metal, probably nothing of 
significant toxicity. The impact of this debris on the ocean ecology is 
likely to be near zero.

Returning junk from low earth orbit is not currently practical in most 
cases. The only option is to allow it to reenter and (mostly) burn up. I 
suspect that the sum total of all the debris from space that has reached the 
ground doesn't add up to one scuttled destroyer (with far more toxics in the 
latter case as well). And ships are scuttled all the time, along with 
thousands every year that are simply lost at sea.

Chris

*****************************************
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Catterton" <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 11:41 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA


> ""The junk was a tank full of ammonia coolant on the international space 
> station that was no longer needed. Astronaut Clayton Anderson threw it 
> overboard during a spacewalk in July 2007.
>
> Space station program manager Mike Suffredini said Monday that the debris 
> splashed down somewhere between Australia and New Zealand Sunday night""
>
>
> Am I alone in the idea that Nasa should be held criminaly liable for the 
> polution of our waters?
> If an ordinary person was to dump toxic material into the ocean, surely we 
> would be in alot of trouble... just becouse they are Nasa does not make 
> them above the law. Ammonia is highly toxic to marine life!
> It is my opinion that this was an outright disrespect to the enviorment 
> and a potential hazard to the marine life in the area of impact.
> I am very upset about this and feel Nasa was totally wrong for the actions 
> they have done.
> This could have been handled in a much better fashion, and I for one would 
> like to see Nasa held accountable for this.
> I am really upset about this whole situtation.
> surely if it had fallen on someones propery NASA would be in alot of 
> trouble...
> Shame on you NASA. Shame on you Clayton Anderson.


From fuzzfoot at comcast.net  Mon Nov  3 14:03:03 2008
From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:03:03 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
In-Reply-To: <286035.51782.qm@web45610.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20081103190339.3281611C33@mailwash5.pair.com>

Actually, fish and marine life have a better chance of dying from getting
hit on the head with stainless steel debris than the ammonia coolant. The
coolant was vaporized during re-entry. Besides, I rather toss the tank into
decay (with the flick of a finger!) than spend 10 million bringing it back
via the space shuttle.

Mike Bandli


-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Greg
Catterton
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 10:41 AM
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA

""The junk was a tank full of ammonia coolant on the international space
station that was no longer needed. Astronaut Clayton Anderson threw it
overboard during a spacewalk in July 2007. 

Space station program manager Mike Suffredini said Monday that the debris
splashed down somewhere between Australia and New Zealand Sunday night""


Am I alone in the idea that Nasa should be held criminaly liable for the
polution of our waters?
If an ordinary person was to dump toxic material into the ocean, surely we
would be in alot of trouble... just becouse they are Nasa does not make them
above the law. Ammonia is highly toxic to marine life!
It is my opinion that this was an outright disrespect to the enviorment and
a potential hazard to the marine life in the area of impact.
I am very upset about this and feel Nasa was totally wrong for the actions
they have done.
This could have been handled in a much better fashion, and I for one would
like to see Nasa held accountable for this.
I am really upset about this whole situtation.
surely if it had fallen on someones propery NASA would be in alot of
trouble... 
Shame on you NASA. Shame on you Clayton Anderson.





 


      

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From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  3 14:06:38 2008
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:06:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
In-Reply-To: <E0116F45A76B4CE3B92F13470D19A2B5@bellatrix>
Message-ID: <779862.19858.qm@web45614.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

If that is the case, why was such a big deal made about not going anywhere near the debris if it had impacted on land becouse of toxic hazards?

I agree about the scuttled destroyer, but at the same time, I dont think that is right to do also. 

Perhaps the toxic nature that has been reported has mislead me to think that it was more of a big deal then it is, but it is troubling to think that this was the best thing they could come up with.
Surely it could have been returned to earth on a shuttle and disposed of properly.





--- On Mon, 11/3/08, Chris Peterson <clp at alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:

> From: Chris Peterson <clp at alumni.caltech.edu>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 1:57 PM
> Hi Greg-
> 
> It is inaccurate to say that this object "splashed
> down". In fact, much of 
> it burned away during reentry, leaving much smaller debris.
> It would seem 
> extremely unlikely that any ammonia was left by the time
> pieces hit the 
> water. So there was only a bit of scrap metal, probably
> nothing of 
> significant toxicity. The impact of this debris on the
> ocean ecology is 
> likely to be near zero.
> 
> Returning junk from low earth orbit is not currently
> practical in most 
> cases. The only option is to allow it to reenter and
> (mostly) burn up. I 
> suspect that the sum total of all the debris from space
> that has reached the 
> ground doesn't add up to one scuttled destroyer (with
> far more toxics in the 
> latter case as well). And ships are scuttled all the time,
> along with 
> thousands every year that are simply lost at sea.
> 
> Chris
> 
> *****************************************
> Chris L Peterson
> Cloudbait Observatory
> http://www.cloudbait.com
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Greg Catterton"
> <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 11:41 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame
> on NASA
> 
> 
> > ""The junk was a tank full of ammonia
> coolant on the international space 
> > station that was no longer needed. Astronaut Clayton
> Anderson threw it 
> > overboard during a spacewalk in July 2007.
> >
> > Space station program manager Mike Suffredini said
> Monday that the debris 
> > splashed down somewhere between Australia and New
> Zealand Sunday night""
> >
> >
> > Am I alone in the idea that Nasa should be held
> criminaly liable for the 
> > polution of our waters?
> > If an ordinary person was to dump toxic material into
> the ocean, surely we 
> > would be in alot of trouble... just becouse they are
> Nasa does not make 
> > them above the law. Ammonia is highly toxic to marine
> life!
> > It is my opinion that this was an outright disrespect
> to the enviorment 
> > and a potential hazard to the marine life in the area
> of impact.
> > I am very upset about this and feel Nasa was totally
> wrong for the actions 
> > they have done.
> > This could have been handled in a much better fashion,
> and I for one would 
> > like to see Nasa held accountable for this.
> > I am really upset about this whole situtation.
> > surely if it had fallen on someones propery NASA would
> be in alot of 
> > trouble...
> > Shame on you NASA. Shame on you Clayton Anderson.
> 
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From cynapse at charter.net  Tue Nov  4 02:06:46 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 02:06:46 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
In-Reply-To: <286035.51782.qm@web45610.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <286035.51782.qm@web45610.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2tsvg4pi0tjkklo5a267e52okp7u4fj74h@4ax.com>

On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:41:27 -0800 (PST), you wrote:

>Ammonia is highly toxic to marine life!

Yep, ammonia isn't good for fish.  Which is why they are constantly dumping it
out of their bodies-- into the water.  If some of the ammonia happened to make
it to the surface of the ocean, for a few minutes a small area would have a
slightly higher concentration, which would quickly diffuse into the general
fish-pee background.

(Hint-- the ocean is kind of a big place).

From info at niger-meteorite-recon.de  Mon Nov  3 14:12:15 2008
From: info at niger-meteorite-recon.de (Dr. Svend Buhl)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 20:12:15 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
References: <286035.51782.qm@web45610.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <006b01c93de8$15890ca0$6401a8c0@HOME>

Greg, my full respect for your cares about the environment. But I doubt that 
any ammonia reached the lower atmosphere.

Besides, if there is one gouvernment outfit that has had a major positive 
impact on environmental protection in the past then its NASA.

Svend

www.meteorite-recon.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Catterton" <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 7:41 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA


> ""The junk was a tank full of ammonia coolant on the international space 
> station that was no longer needed. Astronaut Clayton Anderson threw it 
> overboard during a spacewalk in July 2007.
>
> Space station program manager Mike Suffredini said Monday that the debris 
> splashed down somewhere between Australia and New Zealand Sunday night""
>
>
> Am I alone in the idea that Nasa should be held criminaly liable for the 
> polution of our waters?
> If an ordinary person was to dump toxic material into the ocean, surely we 
> would be in alot of trouble... just becouse they are Nasa does not make 
> them above the law. Ammonia is highly toxic to marine life!
> It is my opinion that this was an outright disrespect to the enviorment 
> and a potential hazard to the marine life in the area of impact.
> I am very upset about this and feel Nasa was totally wrong for the actions 
> they have done.
> This could have been handled in a much better fashion, and I for one would 
> like to see Nasa held accountable for this.
> I am really upset about this whole situtation.
> surely if it had fallen on someones propery NASA would be in alot of 
> trouble...
> Shame on you NASA. Shame on you Clayton Anderson.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From gmhupe at htn.net  Mon Nov  3 14:10:01 2008
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:10:01 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
References: <286035.51782.qm@web45610.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <37A3F4D2C6CD40BF8C503F0B3601E734@Gregor>

Hello Greg,

Where do you read that an astronaut, "..threw it (ammonia tank) overboard 
(from the International Space Station) during a space walk in July 2007."? I 
find it highly unlikely that material would be purposely tossed into space 
to potentially be a floating target for future spacecraft and/or satellites 
to hit. I do not think NASA has the same mindset that some cruise ship 
operators have by throwing their bags of trash into the ocean.

My thoughts!
Greg

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Catterton" <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 1:41 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA


> ""The junk was a tank full of ammonia coolant on the international space 
> station that was no longer needed. Astronaut Clayton Anderson threw it 
> overboard during a spacewalk in July 2007.
>
> Space station program manager Mike Suffredini said Monday that the debris 
> splashed down somewhere between Australia and New Zealand Sunday night""
>
>
> Am I alone in the idea that Nasa should be held criminaly liable for the 
> polution of our waters?
> If an ordinary person was to dump toxic material into the ocean, surely we 
> would be in alot of trouble... just becouse they are Nasa does not make 
> them above the law. Ammonia is highly toxic to marine life!
> It is my opinion that this was an outright disrespect to the enviorment 
> and a potential hazard to the marine life in the area of impact.
> I am very upset about this and feel Nasa was totally wrong for the actions 
> they have done.
> This could have been handled in a much better fashion, and I for one would 
> like to see Nasa held accountable for this.
> I am really upset about this whole situtation.
> surely if it had fallen on someones propery NASA would be in alot of 
> trouble...
> Shame on you NASA. Shame on you Clayton Anderson.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From cynapse at charter.net  Mon Nov  3 14:13:22 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 14:13:22 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
In-Reply-To: <779862.19858.qm@web45614.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <E0116F45A76B4CE3B92F13470D19A2B5@bellatrix>
	<779862.19858.qm@web45614.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <g0jug4p28qdj82dib355tnpmq6ejn23nb3@4ax.com>

On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:06:38 -0800 (PST), you wrote:

>If that is the case, why was such a big deal made about not going anywhere near the debris if it had impacted on land becouse of toxic hazards?
>

1. The hazards imagined for land debris are things like nitrogen tetraoxide and
other potentially toxic propellants.

2. Toxicity is about concentration.  Drink a cup of ammonia, and you are likely
to have a bad (but possibly short) day.  Dump a cup of ammonia in a swimming
pool, and you'll be quite safe jumping in.  (Heck, if you are in a public pool,
a few cups of ammonia have most likely already been dumped in).

From paseclipse at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  3 14:14:29 2008
From: paseclipse at yahoo.com (Del Waterbury)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:14:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
In-Reply-To: <779862.19858.qm@web45614.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <891628.15378.qm@web51304.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I don't think the taxpayers would be to happy to hear NASA spent millions of dollars to remove a piece of space junk. Letting it enter back into the atmoshphere is the safe and cheapest way to go. Of course we could just let it stay up there and add to the many pieces of space junk already floating around putting astronauts lives in danger.

Del


--- On Mon, 11/3/08, Greg Catterton <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Greg Catterton <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 11:06 AM
> If that is the case, why was such a big deal made about not
> going anywhere near the debris if it had impacted on land
> becouse of toxic hazards?
> 
> I agree about the scuttled destroyer, but at the same time,
> I dont think that is right to do also. 
> 
> Perhaps the toxic nature that has been reported has mislead
> me to think that it was more of a big deal then it is, but
> it is troubling to think that this was the best thing they
> could come up with.
> Surely it could have been returned to earth on a shuttle
> and disposed of properly.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Chris Peterson
> <clp at alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
> 
> > From: Chris Peterson <clp at alumni.caltech.edu>
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life
> - shame on NASA
> > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 1:57 PM
> > Hi Greg-
> > 
> > It is inaccurate to say that this object
> "splashed
> > down". In fact, much of 
> > it burned away during reentry, leaving much smaller
> debris.
> > It would seem 
> > extremely unlikely that any ammonia was left by the
> time
> > pieces hit the 
> > water. So there was only a bit of scrap metal,
> probably
> > nothing of 
> > significant toxicity. The impact of this debris on the
> > ocean ecology is 
> > likely to be near zero.
> > 
> > Returning junk from low earth orbit is not currently
> > practical in most 
> > cases. The only option is to allow it to reenter and
> > (mostly) burn up. I 
> > suspect that the sum total of all the debris from
> space
> > that has reached the 
> > ground doesn't add up to one scuttled destroyer
> (with
> > far more toxics in the 
> > latter case as well). And ships are scuttled all the
> time,
> > along with 
> > thousands every year that are simply lost at sea.
> > 
> > Chris
> > 
> > *****************************************
> > Chris L Peterson
> > Cloudbait Observatory
> > http://www.cloudbait.com
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Greg Catterton"
> > <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
> > To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 11:41 AM
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life -
> shame
> > on NASA
> > 
> > 
> > > ""The junk was a tank full of ammonia
> > coolant on the international space 
> > > station that was no longer needed. Astronaut
> Clayton
> > Anderson threw it 
> > > overboard during a spacewalk in July 2007.
> > >
> > > Space station program manager Mike Suffredini
> said
> > Monday that the debris 
> > > splashed down somewhere between Australia and New
> > Zealand Sunday night""
> > >
> > >
> > > Am I alone in the idea that Nasa should be held
> > criminaly liable for the 
> > > polution of our waters?
> > > If an ordinary person was to dump toxic material
> into
> > the ocean, surely we 
> > > would be in alot of trouble... just becouse they
> are
> > Nasa does not make 
> > > them above the law. Ammonia is highly toxic to
> marine
> > life!
> > > It is my opinion that this was an outright
> disrespect
> > to the enviorment 
> > > and a potential hazard to the marine life in the
> area
> > of impact.
> > > I am very upset about this and feel Nasa was
> totally
> > wrong for the actions 
> > > they have done.
> > > This could have been handled in a much better
> fashion,
> > and I for one would 
> > > like to see Nasa held accountable for this.
> > > I am really upset about this whole situtation.
> > > surely if it had fallen on someones propery NASA
> would
> > be in alot of 
> > > trouble...
> > > Shame on you NASA. Shame on you Clayton Anderson.
> > 
> > ______________________________________________
> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> 
> 
>       
> 
> ______________________________________________
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> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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From clp at alumni.caltech.edu  Mon Nov  3 14:19:38 2008
From: clp at alumni.caltech.edu (Chris Peterson)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 12:19:38 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
References: <779862.19858.qm@web45614.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5F4F1487810649988E4162E722C7521C@bellatrix>

They ALWAYS warn people about avoiding space debris on the ground. Most 
likely it's because they have an interest in collecting stuff themselves. 
Or, their lawyers tell them to give the warning. In any case, plenty of 
space debris has been recovered, and there have never been any issues with 
toxicity.

About the only time it's likely to be a concern is when something nuclear 
powered comes down. And that's very rare (once?)

Returning stuff like that is very expensive; there's really not much reason 
to do so.

Chris

*****************************************
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Catterton" <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA


> If that is the case, why was such a big deal made about not going anywhere 
> near the debris if it had impacted on land becouse of toxic hazards?
>
> I agree about the scuttled destroyer, but at the same time, I dont think 
> that is right to do also.
>
> Perhaps the toxic nature that has been reported has mislead me to think 
> that it was more of a big deal then it is, but it is troubling to think 
> that this was the best thing they could come up with.
> Surely it could have been returned to earth on a shuttle and disposed of 
> properly.


From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  3 14:17:09 2008
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:17:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
In-Reply-To: <37A3F4D2C6CD40BF8C503F0B3601E734@Gregor>
Message-ID: <632449.97519.qm@web45602.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

take your pick:

http://news.aol.com/article/space-station-trash-plunging-to-earth/234755?icid=200100397x1212231854x1200798183

http://www.space.com/aol/081031-space-station-debris-reentry.html

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2007/07/19/spacejunk_spa.html

just a few links about it.




--- On Mon, 11/3/08, Greg Hupe <gmhupe at htn.net> wrote:

> From: Greg Hupe <gmhupe at htn.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
> To: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 2:10 PM
> Hello Greg,
> 
> Where do you read that an astronaut, "..threw it
> (ammonia tank) overboard 
> (from the International Space Station) during a space walk
> in July 2007."? I 
> find it highly unlikely that material would be purposely
> tossed into space 
> to potentially be a floating target for future spacecraft
> and/or satellites 
> to hit. I do not think NASA has the same mindset that some
> cruise ship 
> operators have by throwing their bags of trash into the
> ocean.
> 
> My thoughts!
> Greg
> 
> ====================
> Greg Hupe
> The Hupe Collection
> NaturesVault (eBay)
> gmhupe at htn.net
> www.LunarRock.com
> IMCA 3163
> ====================
> Click here for my current eBay auctions: 
> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Greg Catterton"
> <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 1:41 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame
> on NASA
> 
> 
> > ""The junk was a tank full of ammonia
> coolant on the international space 
> > station that was no longer needed. Astronaut Clayton
> Anderson threw it 
> > overboard during a spacewalk in July 2007.
> >
> > Space station program manager Mike Suffredini said
> Monday that the debris 
> > splashed down somewhere between Australia and New
> Zealand Sunday night""
> >
> >
> > Am I alone in the idea that Nasa should be held
> criminaly liable for the 
> > polution of our waters?
> > If an ordinary person was to dump toxic material into
> the ocean, surely we 
> > would be in alot of trouble... just becouse they are
> Nasa does not make 
> > them above the law. Ammonia is highly toxic to marine
> life!
> > It is my opinion that this was an outright disrespect
> to the enviorment 
> > and a potential hazard to the marine life in the area
> of impact.
> > I am very upset about this and feel Nasa was totally
> wrong for the actions 
> > they have done.
> > This could have been handled in a much better fashion,
> and I for one would 
> > like to see Nasa held accountable for this.
> > I am really upset about this whole situtation.
> > surely if it had fallen on someones propery NASA would
> be in alot of 
> > trouble...
> > Shame on you NASA. Shame on you Clayton Anderson.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ______________________________________________
> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >


      


From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  3 14:21:57 2008
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:21:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
In-Reply-To: <891628.15378.qm@web51304.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <547893.28026.qm@web45612.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

why could they not have returned it to earth on a shuttle that was going to be returning to earth anyway?
No extra cost involved there.

--- On Mon, 11/3/08, Del Waterbury <paseclipse at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Del Waterbury <paseclipse at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, star_wars_collector at yahoo.com
> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 2:14 PM
> I don't think the taxpayers would be to happy to hear
> NASA spent millions of dollars to remove a piece of space
> junk. Letting it enter back into the atmoshphere is the safe
> and cheapest way to go. Of course we could just let it stay
> up there and add to the many pieces of space junk already
> floating around putting astronauts lives in danger.
> 
> Del
> 
> 
> --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Greg Catterton
> <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: Greg Catterton
> <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life
> - shame on NASA
> > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 11:06 AM
> > If that is the case, why was such a big deal made
> about not
> > going anywhere near the debris if it had impacted on
> land
> > becouse of toxic hazards?
> > 
> > I agree about the scuttled destroyer, but at the same
> time,
> > I dont think that is right to do also. 
> > 
> > Perhaps the toxic nature that has been reported has
> mislead
> > me to think that it was more of a big deal then it is,
> but
> > it is troubling to think that this was the best thing
> they
> > could come up with.
> > Surely it could have been returned to earth on a
> shuttle
> > and disposed of properly.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Chris Peterson
> > <clp at alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
> > 
> > > From: Chris Peterson
> <clp at alumni.caltech.edu>
> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine
> life
> > - shame on NASA
> > > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > > Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 1:57 PM
> > > Hi Greg-
> > > 
> > > It is inaccurate to say that this object
> > "splashed
> > > down". In fact, much of 
> > > it burned away during reentry, leaving much
> smaller
> > debris.
> > > It would seem 
> > > extremely unlikely that any ammonia was left by
> the
> > time
> > > pieces hit the 
> > > water. So there was only a bit of scrap metal,
> > probably
> > > nothing of 
> > > significant toxicity. The impact of this debris
> on the
> > > ocean ecology is 
> > > likely to be near zero.
> > > 
> > > Returning junk from low earth orbit is not
> currently
> > > practical in most 
> > > cases. The only option is to allow it to reenter
> and
> > > (mostly) burn up. I 
> > > suspect that the sum total of all the debris from
> > space
> > > that has reached the 
> > > ground doesn't add up to one scuttled
> destroyer
> > (with
> > > far more toxics in the 
> > > latter case as well). And ships are scuttled all
> the
> > time,
> > > along with 
> > > thousands every year that are simply lost at sea.
> > > 
> > > Chris
> > > 
> > > *****************************************
> > > Chris L Peterson
> > > Cloudbait Observatory
> > > http://www.cloudbait.com
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Greg Catterton"
> > > <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
> > > To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 11:41 AM
> > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine
> life -
> > shame
> > > on NASA
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > ""The junk was a tank full of
> ammonia
> > > coolant on the international space 
> > > > station that was no longer needed. Astronaut
> > Clayton
> > > Anderson threw it 
> > > > overboard during a spacewalk in July 2007.
> > > >
> > > > Space station program manager Mike
> Suffredini
> > said
> > > Monday that the debris 
> > > > splashed down somewhere between Australia
> and New
> > > Zealand Sunday night""
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Am I alone in the idea that Nasa should be
> held
> > > criminaly liable for the 
> > > > polution of our waters?
> > > > If an ordinary person was to dump toxic
> material
> > into
> > > the ocean, surely we 
> > > > would be in alot of trouble... just becouse
> they
> > are
> > > Nasa does not make 
> > > > them above the law. Ammonia is highly toxic
> to
> > marine
> > > life!
> > > > It is my opinion that this was an outright
> > disrespect
> > > to the enviorment 
> > > > and a potential hazard to the marine life in
> the
> > area
> > > of impact.
> > > > I am very upset about this and feel Nasa was
> > totally
> > > wrong for the actions 
> > > > they have done.
> > > > This could have been handled in a much
> better
> > fashion,
> > > and I for one would 
> > > > like to see Nasa held accountable for this.
> > > > I am really upset about this whole
> situtation.
> > > > surely if it had fallen on someones propery
> NASA
> > would
> > > be in alot of 
> > > > trouble...
> > > > Shame on you NASA. Shame on you Clayton
> Anderson.
> > > 
> > > ______________________________________________
> > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > >
> >
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> > 
> > 
> >       
> > 
> > ______________________________________________
> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list


      


From clp at alumni.caltech.edu  Mon Nov  3 14:23:48 2008
From: clp at alumni.caltech.edu (Chris Peterson)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 12:23:48 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
References: <286035.51782.qm@web45610.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<37A3F4D2C6CD40BF8C503F0B3601E734@Gregor>
Message-ID: <A67013DEC0EB4E66A1260B820A53C4C0@bellatrix>

Hi Greg-

This thing was, in fact, deliberately discarded with the knowledge that it 
would reenter. It posed no risk to anything else because it was large enough 
to track, in a known orbit, and was sure to have a short lifetime in space. 
It had no potential to produce any additional debris.

This isn't the first thing they scuttled from the ISS.

Chris

*****************************************
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Hupe" <gmhupe at htn.net>
To: <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA


> Hello Greg,
>
> Where do you read that an astronaut, "..threw it (ammonia tank) overboard 
> (from the International Space Station) during a space walk in July 2007."? 
> I find it highly unlikely that material would be purposely tossed into 
> space to potentially be a floating target for future spacecraft and/or 
> satellites to hit. I do not think NASA has the same mindset that some 
> cruise ship operators have by throwing their bags of trash into the ocean.
>
> My thoughts!
> Greg


From clp at alumni.caltech.edu  Mon Nov  3 14:28:48 2008
From: clp at alumni.caltech.edu (Chris Peterson)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 12:28:48 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
References: <547893.28026.qm@web45612.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <999110FA189B4DFC9A7505C906F892F4@bellatrix>

There are significant costs involved in returning something like this. Not 
only are the fuel costs real (making orbit changes uses more fuel if you 
have more mass), but there is the time cost of transferring an object to the 
cargo bay and securing it, and the corresponding cost of the lost time that 
could be used for something mission related.

It's one thing to bring back a bag of garbage, and something else altogether 
to return something the size of a satellite. (BTW, objects this size or 
larger do decay and reenter every few days.)

Chris

*****************************************
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Catterton" <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
To: "Del Waterbury" <paseclipse at yahoo.com>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA


> why could they not have returned it to earth on a shuttle that was going 
> to be returning to earth anyway?
> No extra cost involved there.


From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  3 14:30:35 2008
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:30:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
In-Reply-To: <A67013DEC0EB4E66A1260B820A53C4C0@bellatrix>
Message-ID: <455778.64446.qm@web45605.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>


It is the first thing I was aware of, until reading more about it.
I know what ifs are really meaningless, however... if it had landed on a school full of kids, Im sure the cost of returning to earth would have been very cheap compared to the loss of life.
If it had impacted on a house or other private property, would NASA have been liable?

The replies about this have been really good and informative, Thanks to all for your input.

Greg


--- On Mon, 11/3/08, Chris Peterson <clp at alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:

> From: Chris Peterson <clp at alumni.caltech.edu>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
> To: "Greg Hupe" <gmhupe at htn.net>
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 2:23 PM
> Hi Greg-
> 
> This thing was, in fact, deliberately discarded with the
> knowledge that it 
> would reenter. It posed no risk to anything else because it
> was large enough 
> to track, in a known orbit, and was sure to have a short
> lifetime in space. 
> It had no potential to produce any additional debris.
> 
> This isn't the first thing they scuttled from the ISS.
> 
> Chris
> 
> *****************************************
> Chris L Peterson
> Cloudbait Observatory
> http://www.cloudbait.com
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Greg Hupe" <gmhupe at htn.net>
> To: <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
> Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 12:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life -
> shame on NASA
> 
> 
> > Hello Greg,
> >
> > Where do you read that an astronaut, "..threw it
> (ammonia tank) overboard 
> > (from the International Space Station) during a space
> walk in July 2007."? 
> > I find it highly unlikely that material would be
> purposely tossed into 
> > space to potentially be a floating target for future
> spacecraft and/or 
> > satellites to hit. I do not think NASA has the same
> mindset that some 
> > cruise ship operators have by throwing their bags of
> trash into the ocean.
> >
> > My thoughts!
> > Greg
> 
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list


      


From mstreman53 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  3 14:31:46 2008
From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:31:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
In-Reply-To: <286035.51782.qm@web45610.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <988933.1604.qm@web55207.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

--- On Mon, 11/3/08, Greg Catterton <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Am I alone in the idea that Nasa should be held criminaly
> liable for the polution of our waters?...snip

Yeppers!!!---I'd sure hope you are the only one...(((rolling eyes))).  I think this post should be nominated for the Emily Lutella Award. No, seriously-- that was pretty funny no matter how you intended it. It was good satire on GW, green-flavored victimism. 

Statistically, any remaining ammonia was 99.999% consumed in reentry: it has a very low boiling point--and there is no evidence anything including ammonia made it into the ocean. So it was really closer to air polution but you didn't make a case for that. 

The insight argued is too porous to hold a whif of ammonia. Sooo-- so far off reality they are fruitless to address in their entirety but using your own reasoning --I do know that the ammonia in your urine is a pollutant. If you are so morally outraged, I suggest you take any future pisses on your leg rather than allowing it into the water system to avoid future criminal acts yourself... drink it, bottle it, whatever-- just don't piss in my water nor on me again. Oh and under the new Administration your breath is a pollutant as well so try to hold it.

Charter member of the "Strained Gnat and Drank Camel Watcher Society"
Elton


From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov  3 14:34:51 2008
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 13:34:51 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
References: <286035.51782.qm@web45610.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<E0116F45A76B4CE3B92F13470D19A2B5@bellatrix>
Message-ID: <008f01c93deb$3e137040$c52de146@ATARIENGINE>

Hi, Greg, Chris, All,

    Ecological impact is likely a true zero. We don't
even know if ANY piece of the tank made it to ground
or not. Odds are against.

    But I want to quibble with this:

> ships are scuttled all the time, along with thousands
> every year that are simply lost at sea.

    The world is not a gigantic video game of utter
destruction. The current "lost" rate is five per thousand
ships. That amounts to about 300 ships a year. And the
term "lost" includes all causes of being removed from
service.

    Most "lost" ships are lost near coasts, on reefs, in
collisions with other ships. They are damaged beyond
the worth of saving and are scraped when they're lifted
off and tugboated to a port. The classic "lost at sea,"
where a ship sets out and vanishes, is unbelievably rare!

    Footnote data:
http://www.imo.org/includes/blastDataOnly.asp/data_id%3D5673/8133.pdf

    Avast, matey!


Sterling K. Webb
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Peterson" <clp at alumni.caltech.edu>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA


Hi Greg-

It is inaccurate to say that this object "splashed down". In fact, much of
it burned away during reentry, leaving much smaller debris. It would seem
extremely unlikely that any ammonia was left by the time pieces hit the
water. So there was only a bit of scrap metal, probably nothing of
significant toxicity. The impact of this debris on the ocean ecology is
likely to be near zero.

Returning junk from low earth orbit is not currently practical in most
cases. The only option is to allow it to reenter and (mostly) burn up. I
suspect that the sum total of all the debris from space that has reached the
ground doesn't add up to one scuttled destroyer (with far more toxics in the
latter case as well). And ships are scuttled all the time, along with
thousands every year that are simply lost at sea.

Chris

*****************************************
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Catterton" <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 11:41 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA


> ""The junk was a tank full of ammonia coolant on the international space
> station that was no longer needed. Astronaut Clayton Anderson threw it
> overboard during a spacewalk in July 2007.
>
> Space station program manager Mike Suffredini said Monday that the debris
> splashed down somewhere between Australia and New Zealand Sunday night""
>
>
> Am I alone in the idea that Nasa should be held criminaly liable for the
> polution of our waters?
> If an ordinary person was to dump toxic material into the ocean, surely we
> would be in alot of trouble... just becouse they are Nasa does not make
> them above the law. Ammonia is highly toxic to marine life!
> It is my opinion that this was an outright disrespect to the enviorment
> and a potential hazard to the marine life in the area of impact.
> I am very upset about this and feel Nasa was totally wrong for the actions
> they have done.
> This could have been handled in a much better fashion, and I for one would
> like to see Nasa held accountable for this.
> I am really upset about this whole situtation.
> surely if it had fallen on someones propery NASA would be in alot of
> trouble...
> Shame on you NASA. Shame on you Clayton Anderson.

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From gmhupe at htn.net  Mon Nov  3 14:35:08 2008
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:35:08 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
References: <286035.51782.qm@web45610.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<37A3F4D2C6CD40BF8C503F0B3601E734@Gregor>
	<A67013DEC0EB4E66A1260B820A53C4C0@bellatrix>
Message-ID: <ADB33C1916324EA1AED0DC9CBE30210B@Gregor>

Hi Chris,

Thank you for replying in a short and easy way to describe the objects size 
being trackable. I won't begin to pretend to know about these things. The 
initial comment seemed like as hip-shot and I didn't think NASA or the 
astronaut deserved it.

Best regards,
Greg

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Peterson" <clp at alumni.caltech.edu>
To: "Greg Hupe" <gmhupe at htn.net>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA


> Hi Greg-
>
> This thing was, in fact, deliberately discarded with the knowledge that it 
> would reenter. It posed no risk to anything else because it was large 
> enough to track, in a known orbit, and was sure to have a short lifetime 
> in space. It had no potential to produce any additional debris.
>
> This isn't the first thing they scuttled from the ISS.
>
> Chris
>
> *****************************************
> Chris L Peterson
> Cloudbait Observatory
> http://www.cloudbait.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Greg Hupe" <gmhupe at htn.net>
> To: <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
> Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 12:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
>
>
>> Hello Greg,
>>
>> Where do you read that an astronaut, "..threw it (ammonia tank) overboard 
>> (from the International Space Station) during a space walk in July 
>> 2007."? I find it highly unlikely that material would be purposely tossed 
>> into space to potentially be a floating target for future spacecraft 
>> and/or satellites to hit. I do not think NASA has the same mindset that 
>> some cruise ship operators have by throwing their bags of trash into the 
>> ocean.
>>
>> My thoughts!
>> Greg
>
> 



From fuzzfoot at comcast.net  Mon Nov  3 14:35:19 2008
From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:35:19 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
In-Reply-To: <547893.28026.qm@web45612.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20081103193728.C04BA10D5A@mailwash5.pair.com>

This would require a new mission plan and millions of dollars in training
exercises and mock-ups. The tank weighs 1400 lbs and it would have to be
brought in the payload bay. A system would have to be designed and installed
to hold the tank. I forget the figure, but there is a cost per pound in
space flight and it is not cheap. When those payload bay doors open it costs
$$$$$!! 

Bottom line: it's not feasible. Burn baby burn.

Mike Bandli

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Greg
Catterton
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 11:22 AM
To: Del Waterbury
Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA

why could they not have returned it to earth on a shuttle that was going to
be returning to earth anyway?
No extra cost involved there.

--- On Mon, 11/3/08, Del Waterbury <paseclipse at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Del Waterbury <paseclipse at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, star_wars_collector at yahoo.com
> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 2:14 PM
> I don't think the taxpayers would be to happy to hear
> NASA spent millions of dollars to remove a piece of space
> junk. Letting it enter back into the atmoshphere is the safe
> and cheapest way to go. Of course we could just let it stay
> up there and add to the many pieces of space junk already
> floating around putting astronauts lives in danger.
> 
> Del
> 
> 
> --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Greg Catterton
> <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: Greg Catterton
> <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life
> - shame on NASA
> > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 11:06 AM
> > If that is the case, why was such a big deal made
> about not
> > going anywhere near the debris if it had impacted on
> land
> > becouse of toxic hazards?
> > 
> > I agree about the scuttled destroyer, but at the same
> time,
> > I dont think that is right to do also. 
> > 
> > Perhaps the toxic nature that has been reported has
> mislead
> > me to think that it was more of a big deal then it is,
> but
> > it is troubling to think that this was the best thing
> they
> > could come up with.
> > Surely it could have been returned to earth on a
> shuttle
> > and disposed of properly.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Chris Peterson
> > <clp at alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
> > 
> > > From: Chris Peterson
> <clp at alumni.caltech.edu>
> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine
> life
> > - shame on NASA
> > > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > > Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 1:57 PM
> > > Hi Greg-
> > > 
> > > It is inaccurate to say that this object
> > "splashed
> > > down". In fact, much of 
> > > it burned away during reentry, leaving much
> smaller
> > debris.
> > > It would seem 
> > > extremely unlikely that any ammonia was left by
> the
> > time
> > > pieces hit the 
> > > water. So there was only a bit of scrap metal,
> > probably
> > > nothing of 
> > > significant toxicity. The impact of this debris
> on the
> > > ocean ecology is 
> > > likely to be near zero.
> > > 
> > > Returning junk from low earth orbit is not
> currently
> > > practical in most 
> > > cases. The only option is to allow it to reenter
> and
> > > (mostly) burn up. I 
> > > suspect that the sum total of all the debris from
> > space
> > > that has reached the 
> > > ground doesn't add up to one scuttled
> destroyer
> > (with
> > > far more toxics in the 
> > > latter case as well). And ships are scuttled all
> the
> > time,
> > > along with 
> > > thousands every year that are simply lost at sea.
> > > 
> > > Chris
> > > 
> > > *****************************************
> > > Chris L Peterson
> > > Cloudbait Observatory
> > > http://www.cloudbait.com
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Greg Catterton"
> > > <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
> > > To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 11:41 AM
> > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine
> life -
> > shame
> > > on NASA
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > ""The junk was a tank full of
> ammonia
> > > coolant on the international space 
> > > > station that was no longer needed. Astronaut
> > Clayton
> > > Anderson threw it 
> > > > overboard during a spacewalk in July 2007.
> > > >
> > > > Space station program manager Mike
> Suffredini
> > said
> > > Monday that the debris 
> > > > splashed down somewhere between Australia
> and New
> > > Zealand Sunday night""
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Am I alone in the idea that Nasa should be
> held
> > > criminaly liable for the 
> > > > polution of our waters?
> > > > If an ordinary person was to dump toxic
> material
> > into
> > > the ocean, surely we 
> > > > would be in alot of trouble... just becouse
> they
> > are
> > > Nasa does not make 
> > > > them above the law. Ammonia is highly toxic
> to
> > marine
> > > life!
> > > > It is my opinion that this was an outright
> > disrespect
> > > to the enviorment 
> > > > and a potential hazard to the marine life in
> the
> > area
> > > of impact.
> > > > I am very upset about this and feel Nasa was
> > totally
> > > wrong for the actions 
> > > > they have done.
> > > > This could have been handled in a much
> better
> > fashion,
> > > and I for one would 
> > > > like to see Nasa held accountable for this.
> > > > I am really upset about this whole
> situtation.
> > > > surely if it had fallen on someones propery
> NASA
> > would
> > > be in alot of 
> > > > trouble...
> > > > Shame on you NASA. Shame on you Clayton
> Anderson.
> > > 
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From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  3 14:43:01 2008
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:43:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
In-Reply-To: <ADB33C1916324EA1AED0DC9CBE30210B@Gregor>
Message-ID: <797082.73145.qm@web45605.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

no "hip shot" was intended. I was basing my opinions on reports I have read concerning this and as I have said before, I am not as experienced at these things as some of you are and the reports I read made it out to be a major health risk to people if it was a land impact. 
that said, I figured the health risk to marine life would have been the same.
I am not out to blast NASA or the atronaut, I just did not understand why they could not have simply returned it in a shuttle that was returning to earth. 



--- On Mon, 11/3/08, Greg Hupe <gmhupe at htn.net> wrote:

> From: Greg Hupe <gmhupe at htn.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
> To: "Chris Peterson" <clp at alumni.caltech.edu>
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 2:35 PM
> Hi Chris,
> 
> Thank you for replying in a short and easy way to describe
> the objects size 
> being trackable. I won't begin to pretend to know about
> these things. The 
> initial comment seemed like as hip-shot and I didn't
> think NASA or the 
> astronaut deserved it.
> 
> Best regards,
> Greg
> 
> ====================
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> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Chris Peterson"
> <clp at alumni.caltech.edu>
> To: "Greg Hupe" <gmhupe at htn.net>
> Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 2:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life -
> shame on NASA
> 
> 
> > Hi Greg-
> >
> > This thing was, in fact, deliberately discarded with
> the knowledge that it 
> > would reenter. It posed no risk to anything else
> because it was large 
> > enough to track, in a known orbit, and was sure to
> have a short lifetime 
> > in space. It had no potential to produce any
> additional debris.
> >
> > This isn't the first thing they scuttled from the
> ISS.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > *****************************************
> > Chris L Peterson
> > Cloudbait Observatory
> > http://www.cloudbait.com
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Greg Hupe" <gmhupe at htn.net>
> > To: <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
> > Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 12:10 PM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life
> - shame on NASA
> >
> >
> >> Hello Greg,
> >>
> >> Where do you read that an astronaut, "..threw
> it (ammonia tank) overboard 
> >> (from the International Space Station) during a
> space walk in July 
> >> 2007."? I find it highly unlikely that
> material would be purposely tossed 
> >> into space to potentially be a floating target for
> future spacecraft 
> >> and/or satellites to hit. I do not think NASA has
> the same mindset that 
> >> some cruise ship operators have by throwing their
> bags of trash into the 
> >> ocean.
> >>
> >> My thoughts!
> >> Greg
> >
> > 
> 
> 
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From clp at alumni.caltech.edu  Mon Nov  3 14:52:23 2008
From: clp at alumni.caltech.edu (Chris Peterson)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 12:52:23 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
References: <455778.64446.qm@web45605.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2D1637531B9B4C28BA79E3F8B22C9273@bellatrix>

There is established international law dealing with legal liability for 
damage or injury caused by space debris reaching the ground. All space 
missions (in the U.S., at least) consider the likelihood of material 
surviving reentry. It's a question of statistics, and the chance of damage 
is almost always extremely small. In rare cases where something very large 
is being returned, it is usual for the object to be scuttled under 
controlled circumstances, to ensure reentry over the ocean. This 
refrigeration unit did not require a semi-controlled reentry because it was 
very unlikely enough material would survive to the ground to matter, 
regardless of where the decay occurred.

Of course, if an object should land on a school, it's easy to say how much 
cheaper it would have been to return it. But that logic only applies if you 
return everything, and that would be far, far more expensive than the cost 
of a single object hitting a school. In this case, given the size of debris 
remaining (if any), it's likely that something hitting a roof would just 
knock off some shingles and slide down.

I'll bet your risk is much greater from being hit by something falling off 
an airplane than being hit by something reentering from space. And neither 
risk is high enough to spend much time worrying about!

Chris

*****************************************
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Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Catterton" <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
To: "Chris Peterson" <clp at alumni.caltech.edu>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA


>
> It is the first thing I was aware of, until reading more about it.
> I know what ifs are really meaningless, however... if it had landed on a 
> school full of kids, Im sure the cost of returning to earth would have 
> been very cheap compared to the loss of life.
> If it had impacted on a house or other private property, would NASA have 
> been liable?
>
> The replies about this have been really good and informative, Thanks to 
> all for your input.
>
> Greg


From cynapse at charter.net  Mon Nov  3 15:02:18 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:02:18 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
In-Reply-To: <008f01c93deb$3e137040$c52de146@ATARIENGINE>
References: <286035.51782.qm@web45610.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<E0116F45A76B4CE3B92F13470D19A2B5@bellatrix>
	<008f01c93deb$3e137040$c52de146@ATARIENGINE>
Message-ID: <u1mug49oe9440e2u1iqkr369vlt8285nq8@4ax.com>

On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 13:34:51 -0600, you wrote:

>    The world is not a gigantic video game of utter
>destruction. The current "lost" rate is five per thousand
>ships. That amounts to about 300 ships a year. And the
>term "lost" includes all causes of being removed from
>service.

On the other hand, there are literally thousands of cargo containers lost as sea
every year-- and some of them probably contain stuff not overly fish-friendly.

http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&safe=off&q=cargo+containers+lost+at+sea&btnG=Search

From mexicodoug at aim.com  Mon Nov  3 15:29:51 2008
From: mexicodoug at aim.com (mexicodoug at aim.com)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:29:51 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] cleaning Millbillillie ?
In-Reply-To: <593753.21121.qm@web33203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CB0C0A0D838C10-1630-18EE@WEBMAIL-MY17.sysops.aol.com>

Steve#3 wrote:
"[not] Anything with HCL or flourine"

Harlan wrote:
"oxaclic acid work like is does when removing red clay stains form 
quartz crystals?"

Hi Friends,

Just a few thoughts:

Oxalic acid will probably clean some meteoritical residue off any 
quartz crystals you can find in meteorites.
Oxaclic[sic] acid only gives a good vista with Meteorites for Windows.

Flourine[sic], milk of magnesia and monocynical pigeonite eggs [cum 
grano salis] are useful in a pinch in the field for starving meteorite 
hunters trying to eke out a living off the land, so on this I agree 
with Steve#3.*

Are quartz crystals porous in aqueous solutions?  Are stony meteorites?
Are quartz crystals uniform in composition?  Are stony meteorites?
Is silicon dioxide (=glass, quartz, etc.) inert to these reagents?  Are 
stony meteorites?

I agree it would be nice to be an alchemist, but I think this is far 
more profound of a science than these posts would suggest, without an 
academic evaluation of a broad range of chemistry and mineralization 
processes.  I say this because I do not like many "cleaning techniques" 
I've seen used on metorites just to get some skin-deep aesthetics for a 
quick sale.  In fact, some "cleaning" procedures are based on removing 
visually contaminated meteorite material and falsely refinishing the 
surface and representing it as something it is not (losing information 
on flight markings, etc, which has already been suggested).  There are 
many degrees of misrepresentation and negligence by gurus in cleaning 
meteorites for personal use, but then passing them along to clueless 
enthusiastic buyers.  Hopefully this is recognized for what it is, just 
as fake meteorite claims, or clarified with asociated label and 
hopefully a lower price.

Sic transit gloria astra,
but great health anyways
Doug

PS Ponce de Leon is reputed to have washed his meteorites in Boinca 
Fountain off Florida, which restored their youthful appearance.  Other 
cynics believe there is no such thing as a fountain of youth, and we 
should just appreciate all stages of life as equally precious, 
especially when getting older as challenges become more and more 
impressive...

*They are good ingredients for meteorite waffles and not good 
candidates for the next craze poisoning the eBay meteorite quarry.  
Steve#3's example of my 1860 proof dollar coin that was buried and 
impregnated in the outback for 30 years doesn't seem to remind me 
either of stony meteorites or even of a proof coin that has anything 
suggestive of having been struck on proof dies - so here I disagree 
with this off-base analogy.  Way too many apples to oranges comparisons 
here (quartz crystals, etc.).  Not saying that some insights on the 
science with merit wouldn't be very interesting, just, so far none have 
been offered.





-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Dunklee <sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com>
To: Alexander Seidel <gsac at gmx.net>; 
meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com; bobl at peaktopeak.com; tett 
<tett at rogers.com>; bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com
Sent: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:19 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] cleaning Millbillillie ?



Yes. So might msg, tsp, Dmso, and white vinegar. depending on a lot of
conditions. Anything with HCL or flourine should be avoided, as well as 
Sulfuric
acid.

Steve
    P.S.  But Don't clean them! they are like coins!


--- On Sun, 11/2/08, mckinney trammell <bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com> 
wrote:

> From: mckinney trammell <bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] cleaning Millbillillie ?
> To: "Alexander Seidel" <gsac at gmx.net>, 
meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com,
bobl at peaktopeak.com, "tett" <tett at rogers.com>
> Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 7:14 PM
> would oxaclic acid work like is does when removing red clay
> stains form quartz crystals?
>
>
> --- On Sun, 11/2/08, tett <tett at rogers.com> wrote:
>
> > From: tett <tett at rogers.com>
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] cleaning Millbillillie ?
> > To: "Alexander Seidel" <gsac at gmx.net>,
> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, bobl at peaktopeak.com
> > Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 5:10 PM
> > I now have a much deeper appreciation for
> Millbillillie.
> >
> > I will not attempt cleaning and will reflect on the
> > "subtle" beauty these
> > meteorites have.
> >
> > Many Thanks!
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alexander Seidel"
> <gsac at gmx.net>
> > To: "tett" <tett at rogers.com>;
> > <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>;
> > <bobl at peaktopeak.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:24 AM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] cleaning Millbillillie ?
> >
> >
> > >> I agree that there is a special
> characteristic
> > that would be lost if the
> > >> red staining were to be removed from a
> > Millbillillie individual.
> > >> However,
> > >> it is also great to have meteorites pristine
> with
> > no terrestrial
> > >> alteration.
> > >> The priciest Millbillillies are those that
> with
> > dark black glassy crusts.
> > >
> > > No, a meteorite like Millbillillie should be
> looked at
> > in a much more
> > > subtle way!
> > >
> > > It fell in 1960, and was collected no earlier
> than 10
> > years later! Talking
> > > about
> > > Millbillillie is exciting in many respects, as it
> e.
> > g. displays different
> > > textures on
> > > cut slices, but talking about exterior surface, I
> > would always prefer a
> > > piece with
> > > natural (laterite) patina over a piece which was
> > somehow "cleaned" (..if
> > > this were
> > > possible..) or has only got some more or less
> glossy
> > black crust alone
> > > rather than
> > > the brownish-reddish surface stains that are so
> very
> > *typical* for this
> > > meteorite,
> > > and are part of its "character", so to
> > say...!
> > >
> > > You are right insofar as, when we are talking
> about
> > may be fresh Eucrites
> > > or fresh
> > > Howardites, we are looking and longing for fresh
> > glossy black crust in the
> > > first place,
> > > as will be the case with e. g. the early
> collected
> > pieces of a historical
> > > fall like Stannern,
> > > or some rare other finds and falls, but things
> are a
> > quite a bit different
> > > with a fall like
> > > Millbillillie, even if it occured as late as
> 1960,
> > considered a "fresh"
> > > fall....
> > >
> > > Well, nothing but my two (Euro-)Cents,
> > > Alex
> > > Berlin/Germany
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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From John at Cabassi.net  Mon Nov  3 16:07:23 2008
From: John at Cabassi.net (John.L.Cabassi)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 13:07:23 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
References: <547893.28026.qm@web45612.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003901c93df8$33ff1a70$4564fea9@TITAN>

G'Day Greg and all
I thought I read that the tank was not stable enough to stand a trip back in 
the shuttle and could pose a risk to the shuttle and crew.

Cheers Johnno
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Catterton" <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
To: "Del Waterbury" <paseclipse at yahoo.com>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA


> why could they not have returned it to earth on a shuttle that was going 
> to be returning to earth anyway?
> No extra cost involved there.
>
> --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Del Waterbury <paseclipse at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Del Waterbury <paseclipse at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, star_wars_collector at yahoo.com
>> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 2:14 PM
>> I don't think the taxpayers would be to happy to hear
>> NASA spent millions of dollars to remove a piece of space
>> junk. Letting it enter back into the atmoshphere is the safe
>> and cheapest way to go. Of course we could just let it stay
>> up there and add to the many pieces of space junk already
>> floating around putting astronauts lives in danger.
>>
>> Del
>>
>>
>> --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Greg Catterton
>> <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > From: Greg Catterton
>> <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life
>> - shame on NASA
>> > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> > Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 11:06 AM
>> > If that is the case, why was such a big deal made
>> about not
>> > going anywhere near the debris if it had impacted on
>> land
>> > becouse of toxic hazards?
>> >
>> > I agree about the scuttled destroyer, but at the same
>> time,
>> > I dont think that is right to do also.
>> >
>> > Perhaps the toxic nature that has been reported has
>> mislead
>> > me to think that it was more of a big deal then it is,
>> but
>> > it is troubling to think that this was the best thing
>> they
>> > could come up with.
>> > Surely it could have been returned to earth on a
>> shuttle
>> > and disposed of properly.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Chris Peterson
>> > <clp at alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
>> >
>> > > From: Chris Peterson
>> <clp at alumni.caltech.edu>
>> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine
>> life
>> > - shame on NASA
>> > > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> > > Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 1:57 PM
>> > > Hi Greg-
>> > >
>> > > It is inaccurate to say that this object
>> > "splashed
>> > > down". In fact, much of
>> > > it burned away during reentry, leaving much
>> smaller
>> > debris.
>> > > It would seem
>> > > extremely unlikely that any ammonia was left by
>> the
>> > time
>> > > pieces hit the
>> > > water. So there was only a bit of scrap metal,
>> > probably
>> > > nothing of
>> > > significant toxicity. The impact of this debris
>> on the
>> > > ocean ecology is
>> > > likely to be near zero.
>> > >
>> > > Returning junk from low earth orbit is not
>> currently
>> > > practical in most
>> > > cases. The only option is to allow it to reenter
>> and
>> > > (mostly) burn up. I
>> > > suspect that the sum total of all the debris from
>> > space
>> > > that has reached the
>> > > ground doesn't add up to one scuttled
>> destroyer
>> > (with
>> > > far more toxics in the
>> > > latter case as well). And ships are scuttled all
>> the
>> > time,
>> > > along with
>> > > thousands every year that are simply lost at sea.
>> > >
>> > > Chris
>> > >
>> > > *****************************************
>> > > Chris L Peterson
>> > > Cloudbait Observatory
>> > > http://www.cloudbait.com
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > > From: "Greg Catterton"
>> > > <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
>> > > To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 11:41 AM
>> > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine
>> life -
>> > shame
>> > > on NASA
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > ""The junk was a tank full of
>> ammonia
>> > > coolant on the international space
>> > > > station that was no longer needed. Astronaut
>> > Clayton
>> > > Anderson threw it
>> > > > overboard during a spacewalk in July 2007.
>> > > >
>> > > > Space station program manager Mike
>> Suffredini
>> > said
>> > > Monday that the debris
>> > > > splashed down somewhere between Australia
>> and New
>> > > Zealand Sunday night""
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Am I alone in the idea that Nasa should be
>> held
>> > > criminaly liable for the
>> > > > polution of our waters?
>> > > > If an ordinary person was to dump toxic
>> material
>> > into
>> > > the ocean, surely we
>> > > > would be in alot of trouble... just becouse
>> they
>> > are
>> > > Nasa does not make
>> > > > them above the law. Ammonia is highly toxic
>> to
>> > marine
>> > > life!
>> > > > It is my opinion that this was an outright
>> > disrespect
>> > > to the enviorment
>> > > > and a potential hazard to the marine life in
>> the
>> > area
>> > > of impact.
>> > > > I am very upset about this and feel Nasa was
>> > totally
>> > > wrong for the actions
>> > > > they have done.
>> > > > This could have been handled in a much
>> better
>> > fashion,
>> > > and I for one would
>> > > > like to see Nasa held accountable for this.
>> > > > I am really upset about this whole
>> situtation.
>> > > > surely if it had fallen on someones propery
>> NASA
>> > would
>> > > be in alot of
>> > > > trouble...
>> > > > Shame on you NASA. Shame on you Clayton
>> Anderson.
>> > >
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From mexicodoug at aim.com  Mon Nov  3 16:11:26 2008
From: mexicodoug at aim.com (mexicodoug at aim.com)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:11:26 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
In-Reply-To: <2D1637531B9B4C28BA79E3F8B22C9273@bellatrix>
References: <455778.64446.qm@web45605.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<2D1637531B9B4C28BA79E3F8B22C9273@bellatrix>
Message-ID: <8CB0C0FDE41D6D8-1630-1C51@WEBMAIL-MY17.sysops.aol.com>

Hi Chris, Listees,

It isn't a shade of "illegal dumping" at issue as far as I can tell.

The possibly crass accusations that stated this thread might consider 
that transporting the old tank in a Space Shuttle back to earth would 
present a far greater danger to occupants and American residents in the 
landing path across the USA upon reentry rather than uncontrolled 
incineration it was given.  If you don't believe that, why don't you 
volunteer for a return flight with that oversized ammonia tank strapped 
in next to you in the belly of the Shuttle as the 30 year old vehicle 
starts shaking like hell in a controlled fall your life depends upon in 
reentry.  Even Iron Man might get a cold sweat on that one.

There was no safer way, unless you wanted to build a booster for it and 
blast it off from a mobile launch platform in low earth orbit into the 
Sun :).  Is this a sensible?

Best wishes and great health,
Doug


-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Peterson <clp at alumni.caltech.edu>
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 1:52 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA


There is established international law dealing with legal liability for 
damage or injury caused by space debris reaching the ground. All space 
missions (in the U.S., at least) consider the likelihood of material 
surviving reentry. It's a question of statistics, and the chance of 
damage is almost always extremely small. In rare cases where something 
very large is being returned, it is usual for the object to be scuttled 
under controlled circumstances, to ensure reentry over the ocean. This 
refrigeration unit did not require a semi-controlled reentry because it 
was very unlikely enough material would survive to the ground to 
matter, regardless of where the decay occurred.?
?
Of course, if an object should land on a school, it's easy to say how 
much cheaper it would have been to return it. But that logic only 
applies if you return everything, and that would be far, far more 
expensive than the cost of a single object hitting a school. In this 
case, given the size of debris remaining (if any), it's likely that 
something hitting a roof would just knock off some shingles and slide 
down.?
?
I'll bet your risk is much greater from being hit by something falling 
off an airplane than being hit by something reentering from space. And 
neither risk is high enough to spend much time worrying about!?
?
Chris?
?
*****************************************?
Chris L Peterson?
Cloudbait Observatory?
http://www.cloudbait.com?
?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Catterton" 
<star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>?
To: "Chris Peterson" <clp at alumni.caltech.edu>?
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>?
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 12:30 PM?
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA?
?
>?
> It is the first thing I was aware of, until reading more about it.?
> I know what ifs are really meaningless, however... if it had landed 
on a > school full of kids, Im sure the cost of returning to earth 
would have > been very cheap compared to the loss of life.?
> If it had impacted on a house or other private property, would NASA 
have > been liable??
>?
> The replies about this have been really good and informative, Thanks 
to > all for your input.?
>?
> Greg?
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From clp at alumni.caltech.edu  Mon Nov  3 16:23:36 2008
From: clp at alumni.caltech.edu (Chris Peterson)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:23:36 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
References: <455778.64446.qm@web45605.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><2D1637531B9B4C28BA79E3F8B22C9273@bellatrix>
	<8CB0C0FDE41D6D8-1630-1C51@WEBMAIL-MY17.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CBE5B280D3E74CE781F49319D159C327@bellatrix>

> The possibly crass accusations that stated this thread...

I take it as a simple misunderstanding, perhaps a reasonable one given the 
way things like this are covered in the popular press. The replies were 
reasonable and friendly, as was Greg's response. Nice to see... civility is 
sometimes in short supply around here.

Chris

*****************************************
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Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <mexicodoug at aim.com>
To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA


> Hi Chris, Listees,
>
> It isn't a shade of "illegal dumping" at issue as far as I can tell.
>
> The possibly crass accusations that stated this thread might consider that 
> transporting the old tank in a Space Shuttle back to earth would present a 
> far greater danger to occupants and American residents in the landing path 
> across the USA upon reentry rather than uncontrolled incineration it was 
> given.  If you don't believe that, why don't you volunteer for a return 
> flight with that oversized ammonia tank strapped in next to you in the 
> belly of the Shuttle as the 30 year old vehicle starts shaking like hell 
> in a controlled fall your life depends upon in reentry.  Even Iron Man 
> might get a cold sweat on that one.
>
> There was no safer way, unless you wanted to build a booster for it and 
> blast it off from a mobile launch platform in low earth orbit into the Sun 
> :).  Is this a sensible?
>
> Best wishes and great health,
> Doug


From bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  3 16:25:27 2008
From: bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com (mckinney trammell)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 13:25:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
In-Reply-To: <u1mug49oe9440e2u1iqkr369vlt8285nq8@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <558514.19626.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

so long as it does not leave a sheen, the coast guard, won't care. 


--- On Mon, 11/3/08, Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net> wrote:

> From: Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 3:02 PM
> On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 13:34:51 -0600, you wrote:
> 
> >    The world is not a gigantic video game of utter
> >destruction. The current "lost" rate is five
> per thousand
> >ships. That amounts to about 300 ships a year. And the
> >term "lost" includes all causes of being
> removed from
> >service.
> 
> On the other hand, there are literally thousands of cargo
> containers lost as sea
> every year-- and some of them probably contain stuff not
> overly fish-friendly.
> 
> http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&safe=off&q=cargo+containers+lost+at+sea&btnG=Search
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From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  3 16:28:08 2008
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 13:28:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
In-Reply-To: <8CB0C0FDE41D6D8-1630-1C51@WEBMAIL-MY17.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <286906.93584.qm@web45606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I will state again, from the reports I read, it was supposed to pose a serious health risk to anyone who would have come into contact with it had there been a land impact... that said, I assumed that the same would be for marine life.
I felt that if that was the case, it was very reckless of NASA to simply toss it out to fall to earth. Again, I am new to this and do not understand all the things involved. 
All reports I read stated that several pieces would survive re entry and some would be up to 40-50 lbs... 
I may not have fully understood the issue, but I do feel some comments directed to me were very insulting.
I have stated before I am newer to this and do not understand everything involved. while several of you have been polite and helpful, I am left feeling that certain ones who responded need to be more considerate of people who are new to this and still learning.
Its not as if I publicly insulted anyone here and for some of the comments I have recieved I feel are totally uncalled for.

I do understand the safety issues involved with returning it to earth, and the costs... none of which was explained in the news reports... that is why I felt NASA was reckless and should be held liable - I was not properly informed and took the reports at face value.






--- On Mon, 11/3/08, mexicodoug at aim.com <mexicodoug at aim.com> wrote:

> From: mexicodoug at aim.com <mexicodoug at aim.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
> To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 4:11 PM
> Hi Chris, Listees,
> 
> It isn't a shade of "illegal dumping" at
> issue as far as I can tell.
> 
> The possibly crass accusations that stated this thread
> might consider 
> that transporting the old tank in a Space Shuttle back to
> earth would 
> present a far greater danger to occupants and American
> residents in the 
> landing path across the USA upon reentry rather than
> uncontrolled 
> incineration it was given.  If you don't believe that,
> why don't you 
> volunteer for a return flight with that oversized ammonia
> tank strapped 
> in next to you in the belly of the Shuttle as the 30 year
> old vehicle 
> starts shaking like hell in a controlled fall your life
> depends upon in 
> reentry.  Even Iron Man might get a cold sweat on that one.
> 
> There was no safer way, unless you wanted to build a
> booster for it and 
> blast it off from a mobile launch platform in low earth
> orbit into the 
> Sun :).  Is this a sensible?
> 
> Best wishes and great health,
> Doug
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Peterson <clp at alumni.caltech.edu>
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Sent: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 1:52 pm
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life -
> shame on NASA
> 
> 
> There is established international law dealing with legal
> liability for 
> damage or injury caused by space debris reaching the
> ground. All space 
> missions (in the U.S., at least) consider the likelihood of
> material 
> surviving reentry. It's a question of statistics, and
> the chance of 
> damage is almost always extremely small. In rare cases
> where something 
> very large is being returned, it is usual for the object to
> be scuttled 
> under controlled circumstances, to ensure reentry over the
> ocean. This 
> refrigeration unit did not require a semi-controlled
> reentry because it 
> was very unlikely enough material would survive to the
> ground to 
> matter, regardless of where the decay occurred.?
> ?
> Of course, if an object should land on a school, it's
> easy to say how 
> much cheaper it would have been to return it. But that
> logic only 
> applies if you return everything, and that would be far,
> far more 
> expensive than the cost of a single object hitting a
> school. In this 
> case, given the size of debris remaining (if any), it's
> likely that 
> something hitting a roof would just knock off some shingles
> and slide 
> down.?
> ?
> I'll bet your risk is much greater from being hit by
> something falling 
> off an airplane than being hit by something reentering from
> space. And 
> neither risk is high enough to spend much time worrying
> about!?
> ?
> Chris?
> ?
> *****************************************?
> Chris L Peterson?
> Cloudbait Observatory?
> http://www.cloudbait.com?
> ?
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg
> Catterton" 
> <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>?
> To: "Chris Peterson"
> <clp at alumni.caltech.edu>?
> Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>?
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 12:30 PM?
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life -
> shame on NASA?
> ?
> >?
> > It is the first thing I was aware of, until reading
> more about it.?
> > I know what ifs are really meaningless, however... if
> it had landed 
> on a > school full of kids, Im sure the cost of
> returning to earth 
> would have > been very cheap compared to the loss of
> life.?
> > If it had impacted on a house or other private
> property, would NASA 
> have > been liable??
> >?
> > The replies about this have been really good and
> informative, Thanks 
> to > all for your input.?
> >?
> > Greg?
> ?
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From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  3 16:42:41 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 13:42:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
In-Reply-To: <547893.28026.qm@web45612.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <503883.40934.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Can we take this to a NASA or SPACE JUNK list. This has nothing to do with meteorites, though interesting, has run its coarse and filled my inbox. 
Michael Farmer


--- On Mon, 11/3/08, Greg Catterton <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Greg Catterton <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
> To: "Del Waterbury" <paseclipse at yahoo.com>
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 12:21 PM
> why could they not have returned it to earth on a shuttle
> that was going to be returning to earth anyway?
> No extra cost involved there.
> 
> --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Del Waterbury
> <paseclipse at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: Del Waterbury <paseclipse at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life
> - shame on NASA
> > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com,
> star_wars_collector at yahoo.com
> > Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 2:14 PM
> > I don't think the taxpayers would be to happy to
> hear
> > NASA spent millions of dollars to remove a piece of
> space
> > junk. Letting it enter back into the atmoshphere is
> the safe
> > and cheapest way to go. Of course we could just let it
> stay
> > up there and add to the many pieces of space junk
> already
> > floating around putting astronauts lives in danger.
> > 
> > Del
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Greg Catterton
> > <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > From: Greg Catterton
> > <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine
> life
> > - shame on NASA
> > > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > > Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 11:06 AM
> > > If that is the case, why was such a big deal made
> > about not
> > > going anywhere near the debris if it had impacted
> on
> > land
> > > becouse of toxic hazards?
> > > 
> > > I agree about the scuttled destroyer, but at the
> same
> > time,
> > > I dont think that is right to do also. 
> > > 
> > > Perhaps the toxic nature that has been reported
> has
> > mislead
> > > me to think that it was more of a big deal then
> it is,
> > but
> > > it is troubling to think that this was the best
> thing
> > they
> > > could come up with.
> > > Surely it could have been returned to earth on a
> > shuttle
> > > and disposed of properly.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Chris Peterson
> > > <clp at alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > From: Chris Peterson
> > <clp at alumni.caltech.edu>
> > > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk -
> marine
> > life
> > > - shame on NASA
> > > > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > > > Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 1:57 PM
> > > > Hi Greg-
> > > > 
> > > > It is inaccurate to say that this object
> > > "splashed
> > > > down". In fact, much of 
> > > > it burned away during reentry, leaving much
> > smaller
> > > debris.
> > > > It would seem 
> > > > extremely unlikely that any ammonia was left
> by
> > the
> > > time
> > > > pieces hit the 
> > > > water. So there was only a bit of scrap
> metal,
> > > probably
> > > > nothing of 
> > > > significant toxicity. The impact of this
> debris
> > on the
> > > > ocean ecology is 
> > > > likely to be near zero.
> > > > 
> > > > Returning junk from low earth orbit is not
> > currently
> > > > practical in most 
> > > > cases. The only option is to allow it to
> reenter
> > and
> > > > (mostly) burn up. I 
> > > > suspect that the sum total of all the debris
> from
> > > space
> > > > that has reached the 
> > > > ground doesn't add up to one scuttled
> > destroyer
> > > (with
> > > > far more toxics in the 
> > > > latter case as well). And ships are scuttled
> all
> > the
> > > time,
> > > > along with 
> > > > thousands every year that are simply lost at
> sea.
> > > > 
> > > > Chris
> > > > 
> > > > *****************************************
> > > > Chris L Peterson
> > > > Cloudbait Observatory
> > > > http://www.cloudbait.com
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "Greg Catterton"
> > > > <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
> > > > To:
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 11:41 AM
> > > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk -
> marine
> > life -
> > > shame
> > > > on NASA
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > ""The junk was a tank full of
> > ammonia
> > > > coolant on the international space 
> > > > > station that was no longer needed.
> Astronaut
> > > Clayton
> > > > Anderson threw it 
> > > > > overboard during a spacewalk in July
> 2007.
> > > > >
> > > > > Space station program manager Mike
> > Suffredini
> > > said
> > > > Monday that the debris 
> > > > > splashed down somewhere between
> Australia
> > and New
> > > > Zealand Sunday night""
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Am I alone in the idea that Nasa should
> be
> > held
> > > > criminaly liable for the 
> > > > > polution of our waters?
> > > > > If an ordinary person was to dump toxic
> > material
> > > into
> > > > the ocean, surely we 
> > > > > would be in alot of trouble... just
> becouse
> > they
> > > are
> > > > Nasa does not make 
> > > > > them above the law. Ammonia is highly
> toxic
> > to
> > > marine
> > > > life!
> > > > > It is my opinion that this was an
> outright
> > > disrespect
> > > > to the enviorment 
> > > > > and a potential hazard to the marine
> life in
> > the
> > > area
> > > > of impact.
> > > > > I am very upset about this and feel
> Nasa was
> > > totally
> > > > wrong for the actions 
> > > > > they have done.
> > > > > This could have been handled in a much
> > better
> > > fashion,
> > > > and I for one would 
> > > > > like to see Nasa held accountable for
> this.
> > > > > I am really upset about this whole
> > situtation.
> > > > > surely if it had fallen on someones
> propery
> > NASA
> > > would
> > > > be in alot of 
> > > > > trouble...
> > > > > Shame on you NASA. Shame on you Clayton
> > Anderson.
> > > > 
> > > >
> ______________________________________________
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> > > >
> > >
> >
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> > > 
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From Thomas.Kurtz at gmx.de  Mon Nov  3 16:56:07 2008
From: Thomas.Kurtz at gmx.de (Thomas Kurtz)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:56:07 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Paneth-meteorite kolloqium 29.-31 October 2008
 inRies-crater
In-Reply-To: <9C484C96E2D34AD18F82DC3A668F5A43@Notebook>
References: <20080625213521.245100@gmx.net>
	<9C484C96E2D34AD18F82DC3A668F5A43@Notebook>
Message-ID: <20081103215607.104360@gmx.net>

Hello Jerry & list,

the lectures of the Paneth-Colloquium were very interesting. But many of them were very difficult to understand, due to the complex and many different isotopes examinations.
For your interest please download the list of all abstracts and contact the autor for further information.

Paneth Colloquium 2008 (http://www.cosmochemistry.org)

With best wishes from Ries-crater,

Thomas Kurtz



-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 21:36:18 -0400
> Von: "Jerry" <grf2 at verizon.net>
> An: "Thomas Kurtz" <Thomas.Kurtz at gmx.de>, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Paneth-meteorite kolloqium 29.-31 October 2008 inRies-crater

> Sounds like a terrific opportunity Thomas. I wish I could attend. Perhaps
> an 
> article in Meteorite Magazine highlighting some of the lectures might be 
> something that many of us on the List would benefit from.
> Thanks.
> Jerry Flaherty
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Thomas Kurtz" <Thomas.Kurtz at gmx.de>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 5:35 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Paneth-meteorite kolloqium 29.-31 October 2008 
> inRies-crater
> 
> 
> Dear Meteorite friends,
> 
> end of October (29.-30.) 2008, there will be a lot of interesting 
> meteorite-lectures in the Ries-crater in Germany.
> (all will be in english)
> 
> When you ever planned to visit the crater, this will be an interesting 
> opportunity to register for the colloqium too.
> 80 participants registered already.
> 
> The Paneth-Kolloquium is a small European meeting that brings together 
> students and researchers from different fields of cosmochemistry, 
> planetology and astrophysics.
> 
> All information about the Paneth-Kolloquium 2008, registration and
> registration fee, abstract submission as well as accommodation is
> available at http://www.kosmochemie.de/
> 
> Deadline for late registration: October 15
> Deadline for abstract submission: September 30
> 
> Everybody from the list, who will register, please let me know, because
> I?m 
> living since 2007 in the Ries-crater and could give you some support.
> 
> With best wishes from Germany,
> 
> Thomas
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From cynapse at charter.net  Mon Nov  3 16:57:53 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:57:53 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
In-Reply-To: <286906.93584.qm@web45606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <8CB0C0FDE41D6D8-1630-1C51@WEBMAIL-MY17.sysops.aol.com>
	<286906.93584.qm@web45606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <itsug4dbg98gcs8k1gvoojlg0tne76cjk6@4ax.com>

On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 13:28:08 -0800 (PST), you wrote:

>I may not have fully understood the issue, but I do feel some comments directed to me were very insulting.

Oh, they're just in the tank for ammonia.

From mexicodoug at aim.com  Mon Nov  3 17:11:54 2008
From: mexicodoug at aim.com (mexicodoug at aim.com)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:11:54 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
In-Reply-To: <286906.93584.qm@web45606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CB0C185065B630-1630-2102@WEBMAIL-MY17.sysops.aol.com>

No problem Greg C.  Ironically, I just posted based on the posts 
(press!) your reply got on the list, and of course qualified it by 
calling it "possible" so as to report rather than inject my opinion.  
Had not yet seen your recent clarification in the flurry of responses.

NASA has done some shameful things, but if one points one specific out 
in a judgemental way, we should be careful to be specific and check our 
own sources and have a defensible argument.  Thankfully this was not 
one of NASA's blunders.  In addition, if it is ISS related, NASA is not 
alone, but rather part of an international team of accomplices and 
taxpayers ;)

After being on the list longer, it seems friendly advice not to shame 
anyone, including NASA, unless you're enjoying a heated exchange, the 
list never fails, in which case it is nice to have reasonable facts to 
back up claims, rather than just tough talk (not referring to you at 
all with this).  And the longer you are here the harder it will be for 
anyone to peel off your own heat-shield tiles :)

Another ironic thing about the list, is ocassionally we lose new 
members who attempt to start their own forum after they participate in 
the heated exchanges and decide they can do a better job elsewhere on 
the www.  They then point to heated exchanges on the list and try to 
draw list members by saying they moderate on their sites and the list 
is a mess.  Some dealers think this draws business away from them, 
others are frustrated with all the places they must go for information. 
  I truly hope you enjoy this list and contribute for our benefit, and 
do not feel that way.  This list is kinda fun in that respect, it is 
peer reviewed by the best of the best - and that is the best it gets 
for amateurs.  Welcome to the list, and please be sure to encourage all 
the meteorite people you know to use this great resource as a first 
stop for their meteorite interests.

Best wishes
Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Catterton <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 3:28 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA



I will state again, from the reports I read, it was supposed to pose a 
serious
health risk to anyone who would have come into contact with it had 
there been a
land impact... that said, I assumed that the same would be for marine 
life.
I felt that if that was the case, it was very reckless of NASA to 
simply toss it
out to fall to earth. Again, I am new to this and do not understand all 
the
things involved.
All reports I read stated that several pieces would survive re entry 
and some
would be up to 40-50 lbs...
I may not have fully understood the issue, but I do feel some comments 
directed
to me were very insulting.
I have stated before I am newer to this and do not understand 
everything
involved. while several of you have been polite and helpful, I am left 
feeling
that certain ones who responded need to be more considerate of people 
who are
new to this and still learning.
Its not as if I publicly insulted anyone here and for some of the 
comments I
have recieved I feel are totally uncalled for.

I do understand the safety issues involved with returning it to earth, 
and the
costs... none of which was explained in the news reports... that is why 
I felt
NASA was reckless and should be held liable - I was not properly 
informed and
took the reports at face value.






--- On Mon, 11/3/08, mexicodoug at aim.com <mexicodoug at aim.com> wrote:

> From: mexicodoug at aim.com <mexicodoug at aim.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
> To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 4:11 PM
> Hi Chris, Listees,
>
> It isn't a shade of "illegal dumping" at
> issue as far as I can tell.
>
> The possibly crass accusations that stated this thread
> might consider
> that transporting the old tank in a Space Shuttle back to
> earth would
> present a far greater danger to occupants and American
> residents in the
> landing path across the USA upon reentry rather than
> uncontrolled
> incineration it was given.  If you don't believe that,
> why don't you
> volunteer for a return flight with that oversized ammonia
> tank strapped
> in next to you in the belly of the Shuttle as the 30 year
> old vehicle
> starts shaking like hell in a controlled fall your life
> depends upon in
> reentry.  Even Iron Man might get a cold sweat on that one.
>
> There was no safer way, unless you wanted to build a
> booster for it and
> blast it off from a mobile launch platform in low earth
> orbit into the
> Sun :).  Is this a sensible?
>
> Best wishes and great health,
> Doug
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Peterson <clp at alumni.caltech.edu>
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Sent: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 1:52 pm
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life -
> shame on NASA
>
>
> There is established international law dealing with legal
> liability for
> damage or injury caused by space debris reaching the
> ground. All space
> missions (in the U.S., at least) consider the likelihood of
> material
> surviving reentry. It's a question of statistics, and
> the chance of
> damage is almost always extremely small. In rare cases
> where something
> very large is being returned, it is usual for the object to
> be scuttled
> under controlled circumstances, to ensure reentry over the
> ocean. This
> refrigeration unit did not require a semi-controlled
> reentry because it
> was very unlikely enough material would survive to the
> ground to
> matter, regardless of where the decay occurred.?
> ?
> Of course, if an object should land on a school, it's
> easy to say how
> much cheaper it would have been to return it. But that
> logic only
> applies if you return everything, and that would be far,
> far more
> expensive than the cost of a single object hitting a
> school. In this
> case, given the size of debris remaining (if any), it's
> likely that
> something hitting a roof would just knock off some shingles
> and slide
> down.?
> ?
> I'll bet your risk is much greater from being hit by
> something falling
> off an airplane than being hit by something reentering from
> space. And
> neither risk is high enough to spend much time worrying
> about!?
> ?
> Chris?
> ?
> *****************************************?
> Chris L Peterson?
> Cloudbait Observatory?
> http://www.cloudbait.com?
> ?
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg
> Catterton"
> <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>?
> To: "Chris Peterson"
> <clp at alumni.caltech.edu>?
> Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>?
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 12:30 PM?
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life -
> shame on NASA?
> ?
> >?
> > It is the first thing I was aware of, until reading
> more about it.?
> > I know what ifs are really meaningless, however... if
> it had landed
> on a > school full of kids, Im sure the cost of
> returning to earth
> would have > been very cheap compared to the loss of
> life.?
> > If it had impacted on a house or other private
> property, would NASA
> have > been liable??
> >?
> > The replies about this have been really good and
> informative, Thanks
> to > all for your input.?
> >?
> > Greg?
> ?
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From mlblood at cox.net  Mon Nov  3 17:28:52 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 14:28:52 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Help, please
In-Reply-To: <20081103215607.104360@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <C534BB24.1B66E%mlblood@cox.net>

Hi all,
        I have been receiving multiple emails from one
"<cdtucson at cox.net>." These emails consist of offensive
And often racist "political" fear focused propaganda.
        I have written this person asking who they are and
Have gotten no response - the act of a coward in my book.
        I was wondering if anyone on the list recognizes
This email address and knows who it is. If you do, would
You please email me off list. I have had it with this.
        Thanks - and sorry for taking list time, but I THINK
I have seen this email address before.
        Best wishes, Michael








From cynapse at charter.net  Mon Nov  3 17:43:15 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:43:15 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Help, please
In-Reply-To: <C534BB24.1B66E%mlblood@cox.net>
References: <20081103215607.104360@gmx.net> <C534BB24.1B66E%mlblood@cox.net>
Message-ID: <iivug49a9oslg39j2i4qf0e9roe3uc0j73@4ax.com>

On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 14:28:52 -0800, you wrote:

>Hi all,
>        I have been receiving multiple emails from one
>"<cdtucson at cox.net>." These emails consist of offensive
>And often racist "political" fear focused propaganda.
>        I have written this person asking who they are and
>Have gotten no response - the act of a coward in my book.
>        I was wondering if anyone on the list recognizes
>This email address and knows who it is. If you do, would
>You please email me off list. I have had it with this.
>        Thanks - and sorry for taking list time, but I THINK
>I have seen this email address before.
>        Best wishes, Michael


Google is your friend!  A couple of minutes there, and you could have found
this:

The e-mail address has one hit-- when you click on the link, it is gone, but the
Google summary has this info:

JOHN LENNON AUTOGRAPH POSTER
I DID NOT SEE JOHN SIGN THIS BUT IT LOOKS RIGHT WHEN COMPARED WITH ONES ON THE
INTERNET. CALL CARL 520-979-9865. OR EMAIL CDTUCSON at COX.NET. ...

That phone number has a few Google hits:

http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&safe=off&q=520-979-9865&btnG=Search

Which you can plug in here:

http://www.addresses.com/

It is a guy named Carl who lives in Phoenix, or maybe Tuscon.  He calls himself
"meteoritemax" according to this page:

http://auctions.findtarget.com/detail_product/270280261924/cemetery_plots/

aaaand-- there is a "meteoritemax" on Ebay who is named Carl (Carl Esparza)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280282104170

From rob_mccafferty at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  3 17:50:27 2008
From: rob_mccafferty at yahoo.com (Rob McCafferty)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:50:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
In-Reply-To: <2tsvg4pi0tjkklo5a267e52okp7u4fj74h@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <210872.14476.qm@web55202.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

I think it's worth pointing out that this object would not pose a collision risk to anything in space. It would orbit in the vicinity of the ISS while it's altitude slowly decayed. Remember of course that the ISS needs its orbit boosing periodically to prevent it from suffering the same fate.
There was no environmental impact from Skylab, Mir or, tragically, Columbia so I don't think a small module is likely to cause too many problems. NASA are an easy target but I think they do a great job considering the political constraints they have to work under.
(I suppose I would say that. As a UK citizen, I'm not footing the bill)

Rob McCafferty


--- On Tue, 11/4/08, Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net> wrote:

> From: Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk - marine life - shame on NASA
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 7:06 AM
> On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:41:27 -0800 (PST), you wrote:
> 
> >Ammonia is highly toxic to marine life!
> 
> Yep, ammonia isn't good for fish.  Which is why they
> are constantly dumping it
> out of their bodies-- into the water.  If some of the
> ammonia happened to make
> it to the surface of the ocean, for a few minutes a small
> area would have a
> slightly higher concentration, which would quickly diffuse
> into the general
> fish-pee background.
> 
> (Hint-- the ocean is kind of a big place).
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From mlblood at cox.net  Mon Nov  3 18:09:13 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:09:13 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] got what I needed - thanks
In-Reply-To: <C534BB24.1B66E%mlblood@cox.net>
Message-ID: <C534C499.1B682%mlblood@cox.net>

Thanks to all those who contacted me,
        I phoned the guy and believe I will no longer
Be receiving his propaganda posts.
        Thanks for the help.
        Have a good and SANE voting day.
        Best wishes, Michael

on 11/3/08 2:28 PM, Michael L Blood at mlblood at cox.net wrote:

> Hi all,
>         I have been receiving multiple emails from one
> "<cdtucson at cox.net>." These emails consist of offensive
> And often racist "political" fear focused propaganda.
>         I have written this person asking who they are and
> Have gotten no response - the act of a coward in my book.
>         I was wondering if anyone on the list recognizes
> This email address and knows who it is. If you do, would
> You please email me off list. I have had it with this.
>         Thanks - and sorry for taking list time, but I THINK
> I have seen this email address before.
>         Best wishes, Michael
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ______________________________________________
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From grf2 at verizon.net  Mon Nov  3 17:56:56 2008
From: grf2 at verizon.net (Jerry Flaherty)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:56:56 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Help, please
References: <20081103215607.104360@gmx.net> <C534BB24.1B66E%mlblood@cox.net>
	<iivug49a9oslg39j2i4qf0e9roe3uc0j73@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <89A6E74F16884D129EC921758D8A718E@ASUS>

Detective Garrison, please report for duty!
Google's spooky.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darren Garrison" <cynapse at charter.net>
To: "Michael L Blood" <mlblood at cox.net>
Cc: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Help, please


> On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 14:28:52 -0800, you wrote:
>
>>Hi all,
>>        I have been receiving multiple emails from one
>>"<cdtucson at cox.net>." These emails consist of offensive
>>And often racist "political" fear focused propaganda.
>>        I have written this person asking who they are and
>>Have gotten no response - the act of a coward in my book.
>>        I was wondering if anyone on the list recognizes
>>This email address and knows who it is. If you do, would
>>You please email me off list. I have had it with this.
>>        Thanks - and sorry for taking list time, but I THINK
>>I have seen this email address before.
>>        Best wishes, Michael
>
>
> Google is your friend!  A couple of minutes there, and you could have 
> found
> this:
>
> The e-mail address has one hit-- when you click on the link, it is gone, 
> but the
> Google summary has this info:
>
> JOHN LENNON AUTOGRAPH POSTER
> I DID NOT SEE JOHN SIGN THIS BUT IT LOOKS RIGHT WHEN COMPARED WITH ONES ON 
> THE
> INTERNET. CALL CARL 520-979-9865. OR EMAIL CDTUCSON at COX.NET. ...
>
> That phone number has a few Google hits:
>
> http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&safe=off&q=520-979-9865&btnG=Search
>
> Which you can plug in here:
>
> http://www.addresses.com/
>
> It is a guy named Carl who lives in Phoenix, or maybe Tuscon.  He calls 
> himself
> "meteoritemax" according to this page:
>
> http://auctions.findtarget.com/detail_product/270280261924/cemetery_plots/
>
> aaaand-- there is a "meteoritemax" on Ebay who is named Carl (Carl 
> Esparza)
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280282104170
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list 


From bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  3 18:40:54 2008
From: bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com (mckinney trammell)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:40:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] 9.2 gram MILLEN, GA $1NR on ebay
Message-ID: <642298.44059.qm@web53207.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

if you need this deep south meteorite, here is a NICE piece, PRICED RIGHT! 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290272624837&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:1123 


      

From mstreman53 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  3 18:56:14 2008
From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:56:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Impact extinction events accelerate evolution?
In-Reply-To: <501925.62525.qm@web33208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <601347.29876.qm@web55204.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Good question Steve, 
I favor the rate remaining the same scenario.  The experiments you suggest have effectively been done that enrich the given mutations in white mice and bacteria strains. Only most forced mutation experiments kill off a whole lot of test subjects and take human lifetimes to enrich mutations into a bloodline but usually are designed to develop a flaw vs an advantage. (I think we now have strains of cannibal barking cockroaches that can live in high methane,low-light-high pressure atmospheres and inside reactor vessels. They aren't good for anything but you can't kill'em off.  I believe these may have come from attorney/politian donors--but I digress)

As to changing mutation rates and in talking about Cambrian and later extinction events, IMO there is no suggestion that there is an increased mutation"rate" per se, caused by the extinction event.  Extinction events are rooted in multiple causes and only a few of them offer DNA damage potential such as an abnormal sustained gamma ray burst over 1000's of generations or increased ultraviolet energy reaching habitats.

The mutation "rate" would seem to be constant even when evolution of new species is expanding (S. Jay. Gould spoke of punctuated evolution but this supports niche exploitation vs accelerated mutation). For a time after the extinction event,the criticality/consequence of a particular neutral or negative mutation isn't so heavily challenged. With competition reduced to nill, more mutations will be passed along that have no consequence for the time being. As more species fill the niches the apparent rate of evolution, as measured in new species,slows. 

The jump in radiation of species post event--acceleration of evolution into vacant eco-niches, is more likely owing to the absense of competition pressures from the former niche holders.  This results in an ecosystem with a more forgiving, less-consequential challenge for the mutated bloodline. (e.g. having ample food and habitat without the pressure of also having to overcome another creature's advancing mutations, avoiding predators,etc. Simply, when food is ample, most any mouth part will work to scrap it up).

Elton   

--- On Fri, 10/31/08, Steve Dunklee <sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Steve Dunklee <sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Impact extinction events accelerate evolution?
> Was it the repeated impact events in the primordial soup
> that caused the chemical changes that sparked the creation
> of life on earth?
>   Current science shows that environmental factors cause
> mutations in DNA. Instead of being detrimental to life and
> genetic diversity. Might the repeated impact extinction
> events ,actually caused an increase in genetic mutations? Or
> do the mutation rates remain the same?
>   Have there been any studies done where the conditions
> after an extinction event have been recreated over several
> generations ,to see if there is an increase in mutations
> over a control group in small mammals?This would probably
> require subjecting a group of mice to cold conditions,with a
> near starvation diet in the dark for several years.and
> comparing the mutation rate to a control group. and also
> having a group exposed to high temperatures, a starvation
> diet and high lighting and low light for comparison of
> genetic mutation rates.
>    There may already be such studies out there somewhere.
> If any list member have any links or further information to
> them ,this troll would appreciate it!
> 
> Have a great day
> 
> Steve

From bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  3 18:59:46 2008
From: bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com (mckinney trammell)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:59:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] hobby getting affordable and FUN
Message-ID: <460395.73948.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

11 years ago when i started this hobby with jerry armstrong ANYTHING cool was  $100/g to start and pallasites were small and very expensive. now i can get pieces of vesta for $5/g and pallasites by the pound under under $1,000 for a whole rock! what i smokin' time 2 b in the hobby!


      

From meteorhound at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  3 19:17:44 2008
From: meteorhound at yahoo.com (Patricia Harris)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:17:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Unusual new lunar or hokum?
In-Reply-To: <C5346F9C.8568%tbear1@cableone.net>
Message-ID: <123495.45498.qm@web59612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Back in 2005 Ted Bunch confirmed this specimen as a 100% meteorite, and he was suppose to classify this meteorite, and publish it. I waited 9 months for classification but Ted never completed it. Since then many tests have been completed to support my classification for this Lunar meteorite specimen. All tests completed offer facts and support for my classification. The Mineral Chemistry End Members, and Isotopic measurements Oxygen Isotopes are all within Lunar Mineralogy, and Lunar Isotopic fields. Geochemists, and Scientists have studied this Lunar Specimen , and they are in agreement with my classification. If you have other questions please feel free to contact me. Mitch Minor office (815)740-3834 cell(815)545-5803 


--- On Mon, 11/3/08, Ted Bunch <tbear1 at cableone.net> wrote:

> From: Ted Bunch <tbear1 at cableone.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Unusual new lunar or hokum?
> To: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 4:06 PM
> Hi Mike - I concur, the whole picture looks strange to me. A
> 5 ton lunar
> meteorite in  one piece? Where were the O2 analyses done?
> There are only a
> few trustworthy labs that can do O2 analyses. In any case,
> I don't think the
> reported O2 data are that discriminating between lunar and
> terrestrial.
> Some of the mineralogy looks OK, some does not. The plotted
> major oxide
> compositional data look impressive for lunar origin, but
> there are
> terrestrial mafic compositions that are just as
> lunar-looking. The hand
> sample surface is very irregular and looks more like a
> weathered terrestrial
> surface than fusion crust.
> 
> Looks like a duck, walks like a duck, but it doesn't
> quack like a duck.  My
> advice is to wait until it has been officially classified
> and/or Randy
> Korotev has looked it over before buying a piece. I also
> suggest that the
> Starchaser group do FeO/MnO ratios on olivine and pyroxene.
> These ratios are
> discriminating and can save everyone a lot of trouble. My
> guess is that this
> "lunar" is a glacial erratic from Canada.
> 
> Buyer beware,
> 
> Ted Bunch
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/3/08 7:06 AM, "Michael Gilmer"
> <michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Group!
> > 
> > I ran across this one on eBay today :
> > 
> >
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350119620351
> > 
> > Something about it doesn't ring true.
> > 
> > There is a lot of quasi-scientific mumbo jumbo in the
> listing.
> > 
> > Is this for real or some highly-misinformed
> individual?
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > MikeG
> > 
> > 
> >
> .........................................................
> > Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
> > Member of the Meteoritical Society.
> > Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
> > Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and
> http://www.glassthrower.com
> > MySpace -
> http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
> >
> ..........................................................
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >       
> > ______________________________________________
> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >
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> 
> 
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From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  3 19:41:15 2008
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:41:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] looking for sa's with holes
Message-ID: <724846.40961.qm@web57801.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi list.I will be brief.I am looking for a few sikote-alins with holes.Outside of the certain person I am dealing with on this matter,I am looking for a few more.Please offlist with pics,sizes,and $$$$$$$$>

Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/


      

From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Mon Nov  3 19:39:14 2008
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:39:14 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Face
Message-ID: <490F99B2.4080400@ntlworld.com>

Hi All,

My new meteorite face reminds me of an alien face from a tv program or 
film many years back. Anyone else seen this or remember something 
similar? I just can't recall where I've seen it and yet it seems so 
familiar...it's been bugging me ever since I saw it.

see here

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/LaburnumStudio/campos/campoface2.jpg

Graham Ensor UK



From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Mon Nov  3 19:46:00 2008
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:46:00 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] test..please delete
Message-ID: <490F9B48.9080707@ntlworld.com>

test

From tbear1 at cableone.net  Mon Nov  3 19:55:50 2008
From: tbear1 at cableone.net (Ted Bunch)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:55:50 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Unusual new lunar or hokum?
In-Reply-To: <123495.45498.qm@web59612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C534EBA6.85C5%tbear1@cableone.net>

Bull shit! My opinion at that time is consistent with what I stated today.
See the following e-mail to Minor dated 1/23/07.

Find another way to con money!
Ted


On 11/3/08 5:17 PM, "Patricia Harris" <meteorhound at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Back in 2005 Ted Bunch confirmed this specimen as a 100% meteorite, and he was
> suppose to classify this meteorite, and publish it. I waited 9 months for
> classification but Ted never completed it. Since then many tests have been
> completed to support my classification for this Lunar meteorite specimen. All
> tests completed offer facts and support for my classification. The Mineral
> Chemistry End Members, and Isotopic measurements Oxygen Isotopes are all
> within Lunar Mineralogy, and Lunar Isotopic fields. Geochemists, and
> Scientists have studied this Lunar Specimen , and they are in agreement with
> my classification. If you have other questions please feel free to contact me.
> Mitch Minor office (815)740-3834 cell(815)545-5803
> 
> 
> --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Ted Bunch <tbear1 at cableone.net> wrote:
> 
>> From: Ted Bunch <tbear1 at cableone.net>
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Unusual new lunar or hokum?
>> To: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 4:06 PM
>> Hi Mike - I concur, the whole picture looks strange to me. A
>> 5 ton lunar
>> meteorite in  one piece? Where were the O2 analyses done?
>> There are only a
>> few trustworthy labs that can do O2 analyses. In any case,
>> I don't think the
>> reported O2 data are that discriminating between lunar and
>> terrestrial.
>> Some of the mineralogy looks OK, some does not. The plotted
>> major oxide
>> compositional data look impressive for lunar origin, but
>> there are
>> terrestrial mafic compositions that are just as
>> lunar-looking. The hand
>> sample surface is very irregular and looks more like a
>> weathered terrestrial
>> surface than fusion crust.
>> 
>> Looks like a duck, walks like a duck, but it doesn't
>> quack like a duck.  My
>> advice is to wait until it has been officially classified
>> and/or Randy
>> Korotev has looked it over before buying a piece. I also
>> suggest that the
>> Starchaser group do FeO/MnO ratios on olivine and pyroxene.
>> These ratios are
>> discriminating and can save everyone a lot of trouble. My
>> guess is that this
>> "lunar" is a glacial erratic from Canada.
>> 
>> Buyer beware,
>> 
>> Ted Bunch
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/3/08 7:06 AM, "Michael Gilmer"
>> <michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Group!
>>> 
>>> I ran across this one on eBay today :
>>> 
>>> 
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350119620351
>>> 
>>> Something about it doesn't ring true.
>>> 
>>> There is a lot of quasi-scientific mumbo jumbo in the
>> listing.
>>> 
>>> Is this for real or some highly-misinformed
>> individual?
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> MikeG
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> .........................................................
>>> Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
>>> Member of the Meteoritical Society.
>>> Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
>>> Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and
>> http://www.glassthrower.com
>>> MySpace -
>> http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
>>> 
>> ..........................................................
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>       
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> 
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>> 
>> 
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> 
> 
>       
> 



From STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com  Mon Nov  3 20:29:49 2008
From: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com (STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 20:29:49 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Face
Message-ID: <c2d.498aab56.3640ff8d@aol.com>

Looks like Van Gogh, the  SCREAM

Tom

In a message dated 11/3/2008 5:49:06 P.M. Mountain  Standard Time, 
ensoramanda at ntlworld.com writes:
Hi All,

My new  meteorite face reminds me of an alien face from a tv program or 
film many  years back. Anyone else seen this or remember something 
similar? I just  can't recall where I've seen it and yet it seems so 
familiar...it's been  bugging me ever since I saw it.

see  here

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/LaburnumStudio/campos/campoface2.jpg

Graham  Ensor  UK


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From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  3 21:32:53 2008
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:32:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Unusual new lunar or hokum?
In-Reply-To: <123495.45498.qm@web59612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <445801.79169.qm@web45614.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

If you are mitch minor, then you know very well that this IS NOT lunar material.
I forwarded you test results from the material you sent me, which proved to be FAKE lunar material.
I also contact the testing placves you provided that also basicly said you were full of it and would not accept what they had to say.
One even went as far as to say the testing inoformation you provided was doctored and not in the original form it was when they returned it to you.
I trust my testing source 100% and your material IS FAKE.
you sir are a con artist at worst, or at best who can not accept the truth.
I will call you out here and publicly on this. 
You sent me 5 grams of "lunar" material that is not real.
You are a liar and a fraud.

--- On Mon, 11/3/08, Patricia Harris <meteorhound at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Patricia Harris <meteorhound at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Unusual new lunar or hokum?
> To: "Ted Bunch" <tbear1 at cableone.net>, Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 7:17 PM
> Back in 2005 Ted Bunch confirmed this specimen as a 100%
> meteorite, and he was suppose to classify this meteorite,
> and publish it. I waited 9 months for classification but Ted
> never completed it. Since then many tests have been
> completed to support my classification for this Lunar
> meteorite specimen. All tests completed offer facts and
> support for my classification. The Mineral Chemistry End
> Members, and Isotopic measurements Oxygen Isotopes are all
> within Lunar Mineralogy, and Lunar Isotopic fields.
> Geochemists, and Scientists have studied this Lunar Specimen
> , and they are in agreement with my classification. If you
> have other questions please feel free to contact me. Mitch
> Minor office (815)740-3834 cell(815)545-5803 
> 
> 
> --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Ted Bunch <tbear1 at cableone.net>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Ted Bunch <tbear1 at cableone.net>
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Unusual new lunar or
> hokum?
> > To: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com,
> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 4:06 PM
> > Hi Mike - I concur, the whole picture looks strange to
> me. A
> > 5 ton lunar
> > meteorite in  one piece? Where were the O2 analyses
> done?
> > There are only a
> > few trustworthy labs that can do O2 analyses. In any
> case,
> > I don't think the
> > reported O2 data are that discriminating between lunar
> and
> > terrestrial.
> > Some of the mineralogy looks OK, some does not. The
> plotted
> > major oxide
> > compositional data look impressive for lunar origin,
> but
> > there are
> > terrestrial mafic compositions that are just as
> > lunar-looking. The hand
> > sample surface is very irregular and looks more like a
> > weathered terrestrial
> > surface than fusion crust.
> > 
> > Looks like a duck, walks like a duck, but it
> doesn't
> > quack like a duck.  My
> > advice is to wait until it has been officially
> classified
> > and/or Randy
> > Korotev has looked it over before buying a piece. I
> also
> > suggest that the
> > Starchaser group do FeO/MnO ratios on olivine and
> pyroxene.
> > These ratios are
> > discriminating and can save everyone a lot of trouble.
> My
> > guess is that this
> > "lunar" is a glacial erratic from Canada.
> > 
> > Buyer beware,
> > 
> > Ted Bunch
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 11/3/08 7:06 AM, "Michael Gilmer"
> > <michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi Group!
> > > 
> > > I ran across this one on eBay today :
> > > 
> > >
> >
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350119620351
> > > 
> > > Something about it doesn't ring true.
> > > 
> > > There is a lot of quasi-scientific mumbo jumbo in
> the
> > listing.
> > > 
> > > Is this for real or some highly-misinformed
> > individual?
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > 
> > > MikeG
> > > 
> > > 
> > >
> >
> .........................................................
> > > Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
> > > Member of the Meteoritical Society.
> > > Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
> > > Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and
> > http://www.glassthrower.com
> > > MySpace -
> > http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
> > >
> >
> ..........................................................
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >       
> > > ______________________________________________
> > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > >
> >
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> > 
> > 
> > ______________________________________________
> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> 
> 
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> 
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From STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com  Mon Nov  3 21:29:19 2008
From: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com (STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:29:19 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Face
Message-ID: <d05.459a116f.36410d7f@aol.com>

Whoops!  But don't you think it looks like  the Scream???

Thanks to all for setting me straight.

Tom

In  a message dated 11/3/2008 6:38:44 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
darryl at dof3.com  writes:




yes, but it's munch---not van gogh.  




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On Nov 3, 2008, at 8:29 PM,  STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com wrote:


Looks like Van Gogh, the   SCREAM


Tom


In a message dated 11/3/2008 5:49:06 P.M.  Mountain  Standard Time, 
ensoramanda at ntlworld.com writes:
Hi  All,


My new  meteorite face reminds me of an alien face from a  tv program or 
film many  years back. Anyone else seen this or remember  something 
similar? I just  can't recall where I've seen it and yet it  seems so 
familiar...it's been  bugging me ever since I saw  it.


see   here


http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/LaburnumStudio/campos/campoface2.jpg


Graham   Ensor   UK




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From info at meteorites.com.au  Mon Nov  3 22:41:51 2008
From: info at meteorites.com.au (Jeff Kuyken)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:41:51 +1100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Unusual new lunar or hokum?
In-Reply-To: <123495.45498.qm@web59612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <123495.45498.qm@web59612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F576A18F765E422B9440822E34C47D24@JeffPC>

This is NOT true at all!!!

I was approached by Mitch Minor quite some time ago to purchase some of his 
pieces. I knew they were clearly not meteorites but he insisted Ted had said 
they were. On chatting to Ted he said this was not the case at all and that 
all the specimens he'd been sent were terrestrial which Mitch was told and 
then told again after contacting me.

This guys indiscretions go back years and is well known to us. Remember the 
"planetary" specimens on ebay for hundreds of thousands? Same person! Have a 
look at Ken's page here:

http://meteorite-identification.com/ebay/minor.html
http://meteorite-identification.com/ebay/m_minor.html

Ohh... and here's a page of Randy Korotev's that mentions Mitch's pieces:

http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m239.htm

Cheers,

Jeff Kuyken
Meteorites Australia
www.meteorites.com.au
Director - I.M.C.A. Inc.
www.imca.cc




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patricia Harris" <meteorhound at yahoo.com>
To: "Ted Bunch" <tbear1 at cableone.net>; <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Unusual new lunar or hokum?


> Back in 2005 Ted Bunch confirmed this specimen as a 100% meteorite, and he 
> was suppose to classify this meteorite, and publish it. I waited 9 months 
> for classification but Ted never completed it. Since then many tests have 
> been completed to support my classification for this Lunar meteorite 
> specimen. All tests completed offer facts and support for my 
> classification. The Mineral Chemistry End Members, and Isotopic 
> measurements Oxygen Isotopes are all within Lunar Mineralogy, and Lunar 
> Isotopic fields. Geochemists, and Scientists have studied this Lunar 
> Specimen , and they are in agreement with my classification. If you have 
> other questions please feel free to contact me. Mitch Minor office 
> (815)740-3834 cell(815)545-5803
>
>
> --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Ted Bunch <tbear1 at cableone.net> wrote:
>
>> From: Ted Bunch <tbear1 at cableone.net>
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Unusual new lunar or hokum?
>> To: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 4:06 PM
>> Hi Mike - I concur, the whole picture looks strange to me. A
>> 5 ton lunar
>> meteorite in  one piece? Where were the O2 analyses done?
>> There are only a
>> few trustworthy labs that can do O2 analyses. In any case,
>> I don't think the
>> reported O2 data are that discriminating between lunar and
>> terrestrial.
>> Some of the mineralogy looks OK, some does not. The plotted
>> major oxide
>> compositional data look impressive for lunar origin, but
>> there are
>> terrestrial mafic compositions that are just as
>> lunar-looking. The hand
>> sample surface is very irregular and looks more like a
>> weathered terrestrial
>> surface than fusion crust.
>>
>> Looks like a duck, walks like a duck, but it doesn't
>> quack like a duck.  My
>> advice is to wait until it has been officially classified
>> and/or Randy
>> Korotev has looked it over before buying a piece. I also
>> suggest that the
>> Starchaser group do FeO/MnO ratios on olivine and pyroxene.
>> These ratios are
>> discriminating and can save everyone a lot of trouble. My
>> guess is that this
>> "lunar" is a glacial erratic from Canada.
>>
>> Buyer beware,
>>
>> Ted Bunch
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/3/08 7:06 AM, "Michael Gilmer"
>> <michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Group!
>> >
>> > I ran across this one on eBay today :
>> >
>> >
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350119620351
>> >
>> > Something about it doesn't ring true.
>> >
>> > There is a lot of quasi-scientific mumbo jumbo in the
>> listing.
>> >
>> > Is this for real or some highly-misinformed
>> individual?
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > MikeG
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> .........................................................
>> > Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
>> > Member of the Meteoritical Society.
>> > Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
>> > Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and
>> http://www.glassthrower.com
>> > MySpace -
>> http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
>> >
>> ..........................................................
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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From mstreman53 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  3 23:14:15 2008
From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 20:14:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Unusual new lunar or hokum?
In-Reply-To: <C534EBA6.85C5%tbear1@cableone.net>
Message-ID: <160979.56913.qm@web55206.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Mitch, Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. We would like to SEE the proof and I would like the following conflicts resolved to win me over. You could foreclose all the nay saying and skeptics by resolving the following conflicts:

Six+ conflicts in your claims for the Illinois Lunarite are incompatible within your own claims and suggest this is other than a lunar meteorite.

1. One matching plot out of 8+ graphs isn't proof--in fact it is disqualifying. I can find something somewhere to plot any two substances together with some shared feature.  Minus 1

2. "Lunar Isotopic Oxygen Plot "Match""...  Those would be the same as terrestrial plots owing to the Earth-Moon common origin.  This match proves only that they originated in the local neighborhood.  This doesn't rule out a slag pile in South Chicago and it doesn't rule in the moon. 0/ Neutral

3. The main mass size you've claimed couldn't physically exist for a meteorite found on earth.  There is an envelope of maximum object size that can be launched from the lunar surface via impact that 1) does not melt due to acceleration energies YET 2) have enough mass to survive transit of the atmosphere.  That envelope accommodates a original mass of a few kilograms not a few tons.  Bonus points lost in that your petrological content doesn't include shock induced masklenite/glass. Minus 2 and also disqualifying.

4. It is 99.99999% improbable to have a valid lunar specimen which is an all inclusive, collective petrology, commingled conglomeration, that contains virtually every single petrological type found in lunar meteorites known to science.  The glaring exception would be a melt pile assembled by aliens in a anti-gravity experiment gone arye.  Minus 1-- Practically impossible so practically disqualifying.

5 Two legitimate, proven, qualified, do-it-for-a-living-professional experts on meteorites (who are also list members) have passed judgment on your material, while you have yet to reveal the researchers who did your analysis along with their complete reports.
Minus 2  Pretty much disqualifying in my book.

6. Why haven't you dated the material if you've done all the other extensive testing?  Why leave out the one test that would prove a date more inline with lunar ages? Minus 1

7. Why can't you get anyone to come forward to defend your claim and sponsor it before the NonCom Committee. Frankly, every planetary scientist in the world would want a chance at that rock given its exotic preliminary classification.  The only thing you didn't claim was antraxite content with fossil life forms--Otherwise, you'd have the perfect and complete meteorite-plus collection in a single specimen. Minus 1

If you are keeping score: Plus 0, Neutral 1, Minus 8. This cannot be a lunar meteorie nor any planetary meteorite--it is not a chondrite so unless you can underpin your claims with something such as an absolute formation age from 100,000 to 300,000 to 4.3? billion years, it can't be a meteorite-- period.

Skeptically but honestly submited
Elton

> On 11/3/08 5:17 PM, "Patricia Harris" aka Mitch Minor
 <meteorhound at yahoo.com> wrote:
Back in 2005 Ted Bunch confirmed this specimen as a
100% meteorite, and he wasmsuppose to classify this meteorite, and publish it. I waited 9 months for classification but Ted never completed it. Since then many tests have been completed to support my classification for this Lunar meteorite specimen. All tests completed offer facts and support for my classification. The Mineral Chemistry End Members, and Isotopic measurements Oxygen Isotopes are all within Lunar Mineralogy, and Lunar Isotopic fields. Geochemists, and Scientists have studied this Lunar Specimen , and they are in agreement with my classification. If you have other questions please feel free to contact me. Mitch Minor office (815)740-3834 cell(815)545-5803


From searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov  4 01:28:33 2008
From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net (Brian Cox)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 22:28:33 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] SALE ESTHERVILLE METEORITE Mesosiderite 31.0gm
Message-ID: <01f001c93e46$909c3940$4001a8c0@BRIANSCOMPUTER>

    Hello List Members,

    I hope everyone is having a Great week!

    I have a very nice Estherville 31.0 grams Mesosiderite with beautiful 
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    that ends this Sunday November 9, at 19:20:09 pm Pacific time.
    It comes with a great looking membrane clear display box and I'm paying 
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    Normal shipping rates apply outside the US.

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From rsvp321 at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  4 02:43:00 2008
From: rsvp321 at hotmail.com (Pete Pete)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 02:43:00 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Unusual new lunar or hokum?
In-Reply-To: <160979.56913.qm@web55206.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
References: <C534EBA6.85C5%tbear1@cableone.net>
	<160979.56913.qm@web55206.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY141-W10B07912E0D131D6C167B6F81C0@phx.gbl>



Here's an appropriate news item:

http://www.thanhniennews.com/society/?catid=3&newsid=43452
http://www.thanhniennews.com/society/?catid=3&newsid=43452

Best, 
Pete





> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 20:14:15 -0800
> From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com
> To: meteorhound at yahoo.com; Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com; tbear1 at cableone.net
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Unusual new lunar or hokum?
>
> Mitch, Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. We would like to SEE the proof and I would like the following conflicts resolved to win me over. You could foreclose all the nay saying and skeptics by resolving the following conflicts:
>
> Six+ conflicts in your claims for the Illinois Lunarite are incompatible within your own claims and suggest this is other than a lunar meteorite.
>
> 1. One matching plot out of 8+ graphs isn't proof--in fact it is disqualifying. I can find something somewhere to plot any two substances together with some shared feature. Minus 1
>
> 2. "Lunar Isotopic Oxygen Plot "Match""... Those would be the same as terrestrial plots owing to the Earth-Moon common origin. This match proves only that they originated in the local neighborhood. This doesn't rule out a slag pile in South Chicago and it doesn't rule in the moon. 0/ Neutral
>
> 3. The main mass size you've claimed couldn't physically exist for a meteorite found on earth. There is an envelope of maximum object size that can be launched from the lunar surface via impact that 1) does not melt due to acceleration energies YET 2) have enough mass to survive transit of the atmosphere. That envelope accommodates a original mass of a few kilograms not a few tons. Bonus points lost in that your petrological content doesn't include shock induced masklenite/glass. Minus 2 and also disqualifying.
>
> 4. It is 99.99999% improbable to have a valid lunar specimen which is an all inclusive, collective petrology, commingled conglomeration, that contains virtually every single petrological type found in lunar meteorites known to science. The glaring exception would be a melt pile assembled by aliens in a anti-gravity experiment gone arye. Minus 1-- Practically impossible so practically disqualifying.
>
> 5 Two legitimate, proven, qualified, do-it-for-a-living-professional experts on meteorites (who are also list members) have passed judgment on your material, while you have yet to reveal the researchers who did your analysis along with their complete reports.
> Minus 2 Pretty much disqualifying in my book.
>
> 6. Why haven't you dated the material if you've done all the other extensive testing? Why leave out the one test that would prove a date more inline with lunar ages? Minus 1
>
> 7. Why can't you get anyone to come forward to defend your claim and sponsor it before the NonCom Committee. Frankly, every planetary scientist in the world would want a chance at that rock given its exotic preliminary classification. The only thing you didn't claim was antraxite content with fossil life forms--Otherwise, you'd have the perfect and complete meteorite-plus collection in a single specimen. Minus 1
>
> If you are keeping score: Plus 0, Neutral 1, Minus 8. This cannot be a lunar meteorie nor any planetary meteorite--it is not a chondrite so unless you can underpin your claims with something such as an absolute formation age from 100,000 to 300,000 to 4.3? billion years, it can't be a meteorite-- period.
>
> Skeptically but honestly submited
> Elton
>
>> On 11/3/08 5:17 PM, "Patricia Harris" aka Mitch Minor
>  wrote:
> Back in 2005 Ted Bunch confirmed this specimen as a
> 100% meteorite, and he wasmsuppose to classify this meteorite, and publish it. I waited 9 months for classification but Ted never completed it. Since then many tests have been completed to support my classification for this Lunar meteorite specimen. All tests completed offer facts and support for my classification. The Mineral Chemistry End Members, and Isotopic measurements Oxygen Isotopes are all within Lunar Mineralogy, and Lunar Isotopic fields. Geochemists, and Scientists have studied this Lunar Specimen , and they are in agreement with my classification. If you have other questions please feel free to contact me. Mitch Minor office (815)740-3834 cell(815)545-5803
>
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From m42protosun at aol.com  Tue Nov  4 04:50:24 2008
From: m42protosun at aol.com (m42protosun at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:50:24 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Face
In-Reply-To: <c2d.498aab56.3640ff8d@aol.com>
References: <c2d.498aab56.3640ff8d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CB0C79E4FC0972-424-2369@MBLK-M40.sysops.aol.com>

Hi Tom and all
the painting "the scream" is painted by Edvard Munch
Look at      http://tmp.sunbase.org/skrik.jpg
Uwe



Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com




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An: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com
Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Verschickt: Di., 4. Nov. 2008, 2:29
Thema: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Face



Looks like Van Gogh, the  SCREAM

Tom

In a message dated 11/3/2008 5:49:06 P.M. Mountain  Standard Time,
ensoramanda at ntlworld.com writes:
Hi All,

My new  meteorite face reminds me of an alien face from a tv program or
film many  years back. Anyone else seen this or remember something
similar? I just  can't recall where I've seen it and yet it seems so
familiar...it's been  bugging me ever since I saw it.

see  here

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/LaburnumStudio/campos/campoface2.jpg

Graham  Ensor  UK


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From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  4 07:09:53 2008
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 04:09:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] (no subject)
Message-ID: <917232.32852.qm@web57804.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Sorry for this list.I am looking for ryan pawelski.Please contact me offlist.Your email is not working.

Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/


      

From freequarks at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 09:34:47 2008
From: freequarks at gmail.com (Dark Matter)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 07:34:47 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Face
In-Reply-To: <490F99B2.4080400@ntlworld.com>
References: <490F99B2.4080400@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <822da19a0811040634h464b0ab6g1c85ac389e1e3f5@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

Speaking of "The Scream" in a meteorite, I noticed the same thing in
Willamette.

Here is my Accretion Desk article on the topic. I also have a
Sikhote-Alin that holds a "Scream" that is pictured as well.

http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2006/November/Accretion_Desk.htm

Happy viewing.

Martin




On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 5:39 PM, ensoramanda <ensoramanda at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> My new meteorite face reminds me of an alien face from a tv program or film
> many years back. Anyone else seen this or remember something similar? I just
> can't recall where I've seen it and yet it seems so familiar...it's been
> bugging me ever since I saw it.
>
> see here
>
> http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/LaburnumStudio/campos/campoface2.jpg
>
> Graham Ensor UK
>
>
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From carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  4 10:22:28 2008
From: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com (Carl 's)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 07:22:28 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] got what I needed - thanks
Message-ID: <COL108-W78949D27627413BE17A92A9B1C0@phx.gbl>





Hello,

I don't mean any disrespect to Carl E. or anyone on this list but to avoid confusion should I change my name to Carl the Newbie, Karl with a "K", Carl the other or...

Carlos?


Michael Blood wrote:

Thanks to all those who contacted me,  I phoned the guy and believe I will no longer Be receiving his propaganda posts.
        Thanks for the help.
        Have a good and SANE voting day.
        Best wishes, Michael

on 11/3/08 2:28 PM, Michael L Blood at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi all,
>         I have been receiving multiple emails from one
> "." These emails consist of offensive
> And often racist "political" fear focused propaganda.
>         I have written this person asking who they are and
> Have gotten no response - the act of a coward in my book.
>         I was wondering if anyone on the list recognizes
> This email address and knows who it is. If you do, would
> You please email me off list. I have had it with this.
>         Thanks - and sorry for taking list time, but I THINK
> I have seen this email address before.
>         Best wishes, Michael
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From sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  4 10:57:20 2008
From: sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com (Steve Dunklee)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 07:57:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Impact extinction events accelerate evolution?
In-Reply-To: <601347.29876.qm@web55204.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <987260.1921.qm@web33207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I find it amazing meteorites are relativly rare , yet played such a critical role in our evolution by knocking out the competition. Your respopnse was pretty much what I was thinking myself, and as always well stated.
   When I look at the impact extinction layers at the quarry where I work, and see all the thousands of layers magnetite and other materials .I wonder if it actually represents millions of years from the end of limestone growth from one era to the beginning of growth in the next. If there were any fossil dna present in each layer with common specie. the amount of time from the end of one to the beginning of the next could be determined using the standard accepted mutation rates.
    Dou you know of any amber from the different layers? and have any remnant DNA ever been found in it?

Steve


--- On Mon, 11/3/08, Mr EMan <mstreman53 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Mr EMan <mstreman53 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Impact extinction events accelerate evolution?
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com
> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 5:56 PM
> Good question Steve, 
> I favor the rate remaining the same scenario.  The
> experiments you suggest have effectively been done that
> enrich the given mutations in white mice and bacteria
> strains. Only most forced mutation experiments kill off a
> whole lot of test subjects and take human lifetimes to
> enrich mutations into a bloodline but usually are designed
> to develop a flaw vs an advantage. (I think we now have
> strains of cannibal barking cockroaches that can live in
> high methane,low-light-high pressure atmospheres and inside
> reactor vessels. They aren't good for anything but you
> can't kill'em off.  I believe these may have come
> from attorney/politian donors--but I digress)
> 
> As to changing mutation rates and in talking about Cambrian
> and later extinction events, IMO there is no suggestion that
> there is an increased mutation"rate" per se,
> caused by the extinction event.  Extinction events are
> rooted in multiple causes and only a few of them offer DNA
> damage potential such as an abnormal sustained gamma ray
> burst over 1000's of generations or increased
> ultraviolet energy reaching habitats.
> 
> The mutation "rate" would seem to be constant
> even when evolution of new species is expanding (S. Jay.
> Gould spoke of punctuated evolution but this supports niche
> exploitation vs accelerated mutation). For a time after the
> extinction event,the criticality/consequence of a particular
> neutral or negative mutation isn't so heavily
> challenged. With competition reduced to nill, more mutations
> will be passed along that have no consequence for the time
> being. As more species fill the niches the apparent rate of
> evolution, as measured in new species,slows. 
> 
> The jump in radiation of species post event--acceleration
> of evolution into vacant eco-niches, is more likely owing to
> the absense of competition pressures from the former niche
> holders.  This results in an ecosystem with a more
> forgiving, less-consequential challenge for the mutated
> bloodline. (e.g. having ample food and habitat without the
> pressure of also having to overcome another creature's
> advancing mutations, avoiding predators,etc. Simply, when
> food is ample, most any mouth part will work to scrap it
> up).
> 
> Elton   
> 
> --- On Fri, 10/31/08, Steve Dunklee
> <sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: Steve Dunklee <sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Impact extinction events
> accelerate evolution?
> > Was it the repeated impact events in the primordial
> soup
> > that caused the chemical changes that sparked the
> creation
> > of life on earth?
> >   Current science shows that environmental factors
> cause
> > mutations in DNA. Instead of being detrimental to life
> and
> > genetic diversity. Might the repeated impact
> extinction
> > events ,actually caused an increase in genetic
> mutations? Or
> > do the mutation rates remain the same?
> >   Have there been any studies done where the
> conditions
> > after an extinction event have been recreated over
> several
> > generations ,to see if there is an increase in
> mutations
> > over a control group in small mammals?This would
> probably
> > require subjecting a group of mice to cold
> conditions,with a
> > near starvation diet in the dark for several years.and
> > comparing the mutation rate to a control group. and
> also
> > having a group exposed to high temperatures, a
> starvation
> > diet and high lighting and low light for comparison of
> > genetic mutation rates.
> >    There may already be such studies out there
> somewhere.
> > If any list member have any links or further
> information to
> > them ,this troll would appreciate it!
> > 
> > Have a great day
> > 
> > Steve


      

From rsvp321 at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  4 11:07:28 2008
From: rsvp321 at hotmail.com (Pete Pete)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:07:28 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Face
In-Reply-To: <8CB0C79E4FC0972-424-2369@MBLK-M40.sysops.aol.com>
References: <c2d.498aab56.3640ff8d@aol.com>
	<8CB0C79E4FC0972-424-2369@MBLK-M40.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY141-W2807667999C21DCCC56311F81C0@phx.gbl>


Hi Graham and List,

You may be thinking of Star Trek (original series) "The Corbomite Maneuver"

http://images.google.ca/images?hl=en&q=star%20trek%20corbomite&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi
http://images.google.ca/images?hl=en&q=star%20trek%20corbomite&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

Cheers,
Pete







> To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 04:50:24 -0500
> From: m42protosun at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Face
>
> Hi Tom and all
> the painting "the scream" is painted by Edvard Munch
> Look at http://tmp.sunbase.org/skrik.jpg
> Uwe
>
>
>
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>
>
>
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Mitteilung-----
> Von: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com
> An: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Verschickt: Di., 4. Nov. 2008, 2:29
> Thema: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Face
>
>
>
> Looks like Van Gogh, the SCREAM
>
> Tom
>
> In a message dated 11/3/2008 5:49:06 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
> ensoramanda at ntlworld.com writes:
> Hi All,
>
> My new meteorite face reminds me of an alien face from a tv program or
> film many years back. Anyone else seen this or remember something
> similar? I just can't recall where I've seen it and yet it seems so
> familiar...it's been bugging me ever since I saw it.
>
> see here
>
> http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/LaburnumStudio/campos/campoface2.jpg
>
> Graham Ensor UK
>
>
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From MeteorHntr at aol.com  Tue Nov  4 12:00:40 2008
From: MeteorHntr at aol.com (MeteorHntr at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:00:40 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] Million Dollar Fake Meteorite Bust
Message-ID: <c14.4ec1dda9.3641d9b8@aol.com>

Hey guys,

Anyone here trying to buy a  meteorite for  $4.5M?

http://www.thanhniennews.com/society/?catid=3&newsid=43452

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From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  4 12:07:28 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:07:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Multi-million $$$ meteorite scam!
Message-ID: <630604.12633.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

http://www.thanhniennews.com/society/?catid=3&newsid=43452


Wow, why cant we get these retards to buy a real meteorite?
Michael Farmer

From clp at alumni.caltech.edu  Tue Nov  4 12:08:09 2008
From: clp at alumni.caltech.edu (Chris Peterson)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:08:09 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Million Dollar Fake Meteorite Bust
References: <c14.4ec1dda9.3641d9b8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <D2EC9B0962014F2BB0CE470B364301D4@bellatrix>

IMO, it should only be illegal to sell a "metal container filled with a 
black, greasy substance wrapped in carbon paper" as a meteorite if the same 
law allows the buyer to be arrested for stupidity. <g>

Chris

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: <MeteorHntr at aol.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 10:00 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Million Dollar Fake Meteorite Bust


> Hey guys,
>
> Anyone here trying to buy a  meteorite for  $4.5M?
>
> http://www.thanhniennews.com/society/?catid=3&newsid=43452
>
> Steve  Arnold #1


From MeteorHntr at aol.com  Tue Nov  4 12:13:19 2008
From: MeteorHntr at aol.com (MeteorHntr at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:13:19 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] Million Dollar Fake Meteorite Bust
Message-ID: <bbe.399d3077.3641dcaf@aol.com>

Seriously, WHO would buy a $4.5M meteorite?  

Maybe a $450 fake  meteorite, or a $45,000 fake meteorite, but $4,500,000???

And then WHY  would anyone do it?

Steve
 
 


In a message dated 11/4/2008 11:08:53 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
clp at alumni.caltech.edu writes:
IMO, it should only be illegal to sell a  "metal container filled with a 
black, greasy substance wrapped in carbon  paper" as a meteorite if the same 
law allows the buyer to be arrested for  stupidity. <g>

Chris
 
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From cynapse at charter.net  Tue Nov  4 12:38:52 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 12:38:52 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Million Dollar Fake Meteorite Bust
In-Reply-To: <D2EC9B0962014F2BB0CE470B364301D4@bellatrix>
References: <c14.4ec1dda9.3641d9b8@aol.com>
	<D2EC9B0962014F2BB0CE470B364301D4@bellatrix>
Message-ID: <4o11h4dqgm0eoistp1vqrcn2jcprbdv6tl@4ax.com>

On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:08:09 -0700, you wrote:

>IMO, it should only be illegal to sell a "metal container filled with a 
>black, greasy substance wrapped in carbon paper" as a meteorite if the same 
>law allows the buyer to be arrested for stupidity. <g>

That story makes absolutely no sense as presented.  There must either be some
mistake an translating the currency ($4.5 million dollars?) or this substance is
a bit more, well, new-ku-lar than meteoritic.

From sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  4 12:42:54 2008
From: sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com (Steve Dunklee)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:42:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Face
Message-ID: <208998.33781.qm@web33205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Actully it's "Book of the dead" from the Evil dead series  Starring An 1973 
oldsmobile Delta 88 and Bruce Campbell. a Sam  Raimi film lol!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_Darkness

http://www.deadites.net/aod.php

http://www.monstersatplay.com/review/dvd/e/dead_book.php

 The last link has a photo of the special edition DVD with a cover like your meteorite.

Have a great day
Steve


--- On Mon, 11/3/08, STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com <STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com> wrote:

> From: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com <STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Face
> To: darryl at dof3.com
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 8:29 PM
> Whoops!  But don't you think it looks like  the
> Scream???
> 
> Thanks to all for setting me straight.
> 
> Tom
> 
> In  a message dated 11/3/2008 6:38:44 P.M. Mountain
> Standard Time, 
> darryl at dof3.com  writes:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> yes, but it's munch---not van gogh.  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Depth of Field Management
> 1501 Broadway  Suite  1304
> New York, New York   10036
> 212.302.9200
> 
> 
> OBAMA!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 3, 2008, at 8:29 PM,  STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Looks like Van Gogh, the   SCREAM
> 
> 
> Tom
> 
> 
> In a message dated 11/3/2008 5:49:06 P.M.  Mountain 
> Standard Time, 
> ensoramanda at ntlworld.com writes:
> Hi  All,
> 
> 
> My new  meteorite face reminds me of an alien face from a 
> tv program or 
> film many  years back. Anyone else seen this or remember 
> something 
> similar? I just  can't recall where I've seen it
> and yet it  seems so 
> familiar...it's been  bugging me ever since I saw  it.
> 
> 
> see   here
> 
> 
> http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/LaburnumStudio/campos/campoface2.jpg
> 
> 
> Graham   Ensor   UK
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From mexicodoug at aim.com  Tue Nov  4 12:48:28 2008
From: mexicodoug at aim.com (mexicodoug at aim.com)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 12:48:28 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Multi-million $$$ meteorite scam!
In-Reply-To: <630604.12633.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <630604.12633.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CB0CBCADD3A09A-B68-B7D@Webmail-mg17.sim.aol.com>

It is the newspaper...

Sounds like there could be a real meteorite hiding behind this and the 
police were led off track.

The bag (with the hand for sale) sure doesn't look like 3.7 kg unless 
there is some Mercury metal  in there.  There would need to be a gallon 
or so of water to make that weight.

Maybe the news got it wrong and it was USD 272,000, the equivalent of 
4.5 million dongs.
then again ... Maybe it was a bag with filings and the real piece is 
3.7 tons

...or maybe not ;)

Best wishes,
Doug







-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:07 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] Multi-million $$$ meteorite scam!



http://www.thanhniennews.com/society/?catid=3&newsid=43452


Wow, why cant we get these retards to buy a real meteorite?
Michael Farmer
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From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Tue Nov  4 13:28:48 2008
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:28:48 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Face
In-Reply-To: <d05.459a116f.36410d7f@aol.com>
References: <d05.459a116f.36410d7f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <49109460.6000904@ntlworld.com>

Yes Tom...did think it was like 'The Scream' but still have memories of 
something almost identical from years back...may be on Star Trek or an 
old b movie...seem to remember the image being slightly ghosted and 
waving about/distorted.

STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com wrote:

>Whoops!  But don't you think it looks like  the Scream???
>
>Thanks to all for setting me straight.
>
>Tom
>
>In  a message dated 11/3/2008 6:38:44 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
>darryl at dof3.com  writes:
>
>
>
>
>yes, but it's munch---not van gogh.  
>
>
>
>
>Depth of Field Management
>1501 Broadway  Suite  1304
>New York, New York   10036
>212.302.9200
>
>
>OBAMA!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On Nov 3, 2008, at 8:29 PM,  STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com wrote:
>
>
>Looks like Van Gogh, the   SCREAM
>
>
>Tom
>
>
>In a message dated 11/3/2008 5:49:06 P.M.  Mountain  Standard Time, 
>ensoramanda at ntlworld.com writes:
>Hi  All,
>
>
>My new  meteorite face reminds me of an alien face from a  tv program or 
>film many  years back. Anyone else seen this or remember  something 
>similar? I just  can't recall where I've seen it and yet it  seems so 
>familiar...it's been  bugging me ever since I saw  it.
>
>
>see   here
>
>
>http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/LaburnumStudio/campos/campoface2.jpg
>
>
>Graham   Ensor   UK
>
>
>
>
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From jeffkrosschell at comcast.net  Tue Nov  4 13:50:40 2008
From: jeffkrosschell at comcast.net (Jeff Krosschell)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:50:40 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: .99 cent auctions ending today!
Message-ID: <BD976BF500E840F3975BBA13299FED84@JeffVistaPC>


If anyone on the list has any contact information, I sure would like to get
a hold of that $4.5 million buyer.  Was it a Forbes article?

To Carl, my vote is for Karlos with a K.

To Graham, you better not have shown me the Moth Man Meteorite. 

To EBay, why was I kicked off for suspicious activity when I listed an
authentic lunar meteorite?

To the list, I have several .99 cent auctions ending today.
  
http://www.auctiva.com/stores/viewstore2.aspx?id=874060&page=home 

To US list members, I hope every one of you gets out and votes.
Unless you're voting for someone I don't like. Then I hope you just stay
home and check out the great auctions on eBay!

Regards,
Jeff Krosschell



From gibeon at aol.com  Tue Nov  4 14:40:41 2008
From: gibeon at aol.com (Hanno Strufe)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:40:41 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Munich Show 2008 - photos
Message-ID: <8CB0CCC5ABA4ADA-744-2CE@webmail-me07.sysops.aol.com>

Hello,

here are my photos from the Munich Show last weekend.
The weather was nice and the beer was good.
Take a look at the photos and you see what else was there.

You will find the pictures on my website at

http://www.strufe.net

go with your mouse cursor on the top at ?Foto-Galerien? and the sign 
for M?nchen-2008 is coming up,
there you see the 6 pages on the right that include each 12 photos
or copy the following link into your browser

http://www.strufe.net/0334af9a5a0cf8e1d/0334af9b3f06e5a02/0334af9b3f06f9b07/index.php

Best regards

Hanno Strufe
Langenbergstrasse 32
66954 Pirmasens
Germany
Phone + Fax: +49 6331 225 105
www.strufe.net
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From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Tue Nov  4 15:24:07 2008
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:24:07 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Face
In-Reply-To: <BAY141-W2807667999C21DCCC56311F81C0@phx.gbl>
References: <c2d.498aab56.3640ff8d@aol.com>	<8CB0C79E4FC0972-424-2369@MBLK-M40.sysops.aol.com>
	<BAY141-W2807667999C21DCCC56311F81C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4910AF67.5070105@ntlworld.com>

Hi Pete,

You're right Pete, thats exactly what I was thinking of....a couple of 
clips here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3B3RWN5yAc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EPl8k0zC6A&feature=related

Last one shows it well, but been played a round with!!!

Thanks...I can rest easy now its been found!

Graham

Pete Pete wrote:

>Hi Graham and List,
>
>You may be thinking of Star Trek (original series) "The Corbomite Maneuver"
>
>http://images.google.ca/images?hl=en&q=star%20trek%20corbomite&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi
>http://images.google.ca/images?hl=en&q=star%20trek%20corbomite&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi
>
>Cheers,
>Pete
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>>To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 04:50:24 -0500
>>From: m42protosun at aol.com
>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Face
>>
>>Hi Tom and all
>>the painting "the scream" is painted by Edvard Munch
>>Look at http://tmp.sunbase.org/skrik.jpg
>>Uwe
>>
>>
>>
>>Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Urspr?ngliche Mitteilung-----
>>Von: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com
>>An: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com
>>Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>Verschickt: Di., 4. Nov. 2008, 2:29
>>Thema: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Face
>>
>>
>>
>>Looks like Van Gogh, the SCREAM
>>
>>Tom
>>
>>In a message dated 11/3/2008 5:49:06 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
>>ensoramanda at ntlworld.com writes:
>>Hi All,
>>
>>My new meteorite face reminds me of an alien face from a tv program or
>>film many years back. Anyone else seen this or remember something
>>similar? I just can't recall where I've seen it and yet it seems so
>>familiar...it's been bugging me ever since I saw it.
>>
>>see here
>>
>>http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/LaburnumStudio/campos/campoface2.jpg
>>
>>Graham Ensor UK
>>
>>
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From rob_mccafferty at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  4 17:40:15 2008
From: rob_mccafferty at yahoo.com (Rob McCafferty)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:40:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Million Dollar Fake Meteorite Bust
In-Reply-To: <4o11h4dqgm0eoistp1vqrcn2jcprbdv6tl@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <482829.8833.qm@web55204.mail.re4.yahoo.com>



--- On Tue, 11/4/08, Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net> wrote:

> From: Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Million Dollar Fake Meteorite Bust

> 
> That story makes absolutely no sense as presented.  There
> must either be some
> mistake an translating the currency ($4.5 million dollars?)
> or this substance is
> a bit more, well, new-ku-lar than meteoritic.

Agreed, this story doesn't add up. Nobody that fool enough would have access to that sort of cash (easily parted and all that).
Almost certainly more benign than nuclear but I suspect there's much more to this than meets the eye or made it to press.

I just shrug my shoulders and say, "oh well".
Assuming the $4.5m tag is accurate and the story is as simple as stated, at least it's a sum of money worth going to gaol for. Greed, as in most of these things would be the primary motivator, then.


      

From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  4 18:10:32 2008
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 15:10:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] WANTED TO BUY : Pallasite Slice
In-Reply-To: <mailman.43.1225818097.55177.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <649171.88749.qm@web58402.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi Folks!

I am looking for a nice pallasite specimen.   The budget for this piece is about $300-$350.

Here are my criteria :

1) surface area is important.  I want the largest slice I can get for this budget.

2) thin-ness or transparent crystals are not important.  So thick slices, end cuts, corner cuts, etc are OK.
Having said that, I realize that thin-cut will probably give me the most surface area.

3) The actual fall or find is not important - as long as the specimen is STABLE.  No rusters.

4) Piece can be stabilized with glue, lacquer, etc - as long as it looks very nice, I am not concerned if a 
couple of the olivine crystals have been discretely glued back in. 

5) Piece can be etched or not - doesn't matter.  

6) Piece should be the size of a credit card or larger.

I prefer to deal with sellers inside the US.  If you have something I might be interested in, please contact me
offlist at mike at galactic-stone.com

Thanks!

MikeG

.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
..........................................................



      

From jkg2 at cox.net  Tue Nov  4 18:43:07 2008
From: jkg2 at cox.net (John Gwilliam)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:43:07 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] -- SPAM -- Re:  got what I needed - thanks
Message-ID: <20081104234311.UNZR6482.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>

Naw...all you have to do is post regularly enough that the good folks 
get to know you and you'll be okay.  But, you could go by "Carl El 
Guapo" and then you'd be unique.

We used to have a problem here on the list with two different people 
named Steve Arnold.  There was some confusion at first, but after a 
while, one of the Steves writing style and behavior made him easy to identify.

Best,

John Gwilliam...one of many "Johns" on the List.

At 08:22 AM 11/4/2008, Carl 's wrote:




>Hello,
>
>I don't mean any disrespect to Carl E. or anyone on this list but to 
>avoid confusion should I change my name to Carl the Newbie, Karl 
>with a "K", Carl the other or...
>
>Carlos?
>
>
>Michael Blood wrote:
>
>Thanks to all those who contacted me,  I phoned the guy and believe 
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>         Thanks for the help.
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>         Best wishes, Michael
>
>on 11/3/08 2:28 PM, Michael L Blood at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Tue Nov  4 20:14:25 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 17:14:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Asteroid 2008 TC3 Strikes Earth: Predictions and
	Observations Agree
Message-ID: <200811050114.RAA19386@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


      
http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/2008tc3.html

Asteroid 2008 TC3 Strikes Earth: Predictions and Observations Agree
Steve Chesley, Paul Chodas, and Don Yeomans
November 4, 2008

Summary

A spectacular fireball lit up the predawn sky above Northern Sudan on
October 7, 2008. This explosion was caused by the atmospheric entry of a
small near-Earth asteroid, estimated to be no more than a few meters in
diameter. The explosion likely scattered small meteorite fragments
across the Nubian desert below. Although such small impact events occur
several times per year around the globe, this case was unprecedented
because the asteroid was actually discovered the day before it reached
the Earth and the impact location and time were for the first time
predicted in advance.

At 6:39 UT (UT = GMT) on the morning of October 6, 2008, Richard
Kowalski, at the Catalina Sky Survey, discovered this small near-Earth
asteroid using the Mt. Lemmon 1.5 meter aperture telescope near Tucson,
Arizona. When the discovery observations were reported to the Minor
Planet Center (MPC) in Cambridge Massachusetts, a preliminary orbit
computation immediately indicated that the object was headed for an
Earth impact within 21 hours. The MPC quickly made the discovery and
subsequent "follow-up" observations available to the astronomical
community and contacted the NASA/JPL Near-Earth Object Program Office.
The MPC also notified NASA Headquarters of the impending impact so that
subsequent US government interagency alerts and inter-governmental
notifications could begin. By the time this object (now designated as
2008 TC3) entered the Earth's shadow 19 hours after discovery, some 570
astrometric (positional) measurements had been reported from 26
observatories around the world, both professional and amateur.

Within an hour of receiving the initial data set, JPL predicted that the
object would enter the Earth's atmosphere above northern Sudan around
02:46 UT on October 7. As the day progressed and more and more data
arrived from the MPC, JPL continued to improve the orbit for 2008 TC3
and forwarded updated predictions to NASA Headquarters. On the afternoon
of Oct 6th, NASA Headquarters alerted officials at the National Security
Council, the Office of Science and Technology Policy, the Department of
State, and the Department of Defense Northern Command and Joint Space
Operations Center. NASA also issued a press release at approximately
21:30 UT announcing the predicted impact later that night.

Detections of the actual atmospheric impact event suggested that it was
an airburst explosion at an altitude of 37 km with an energy equivalent
to about one kiloton of TNT explosives. The time and place of the
predicted impact agree very well with a number of atmospheric entry
observations including those from U.S. government satellites, infrasound
signals from at least one ground station, images from the Meteosat 8
weather satellite and a sighting by a KLM airline pilot flying over
Chad. The latest JPL trajectory estimate, which carefully considers all
available data, including some measurements not available until after
the event, is accurate to within a few kilometers at the time of
atmospheric entry.

This dramatic prediction of an actual impact underscored the successful
evolution of the Near-Earth Object (NEO) Program's discovery and orbit
prediction process. The discovery was made, observations were provided
by 26 international observatories, the orbit and impact computations
were determined, verified and announced well before the impact, which
took place only 20.5 hours after the discovery itself. While
improvements to the impact prediction process still need to be made, the
system worked well for the first predicted impact by a near-Earth object.

Circumstances of the Earth impact:

The relative velocity of the 2008 TC3 as it entered the atmosphere was
12.4 km/s. It was on a shallow, near-grazing impact, arriving from a
direction 20.0 degrees above horizontal and from an azimuth of 281.6
degrees, which is nearly west to east. Based on the measured brightness
of the object in space, and assuming typical reflectance properties of
near-Earth asteroids, it was estimated to be in the range of 2-5 meters
in diameter. This places the kinetic energy at around 1 kiloton of TNT,
give or take a factor of two. Analyses of detections of the entry by
U.S. government satellites and ground-based very low frequency
infrasound measurements also suggest a total kinetic energy of about 1
kT (Brown, 2008a,b,c; Johnson, 2008).

Harris (2008) provided information on the object's light curve, which
indicates a rapidly tumbling spin state. Marek Kozubal and Ron
Dantowitz, two Massachusetts amateur astronomers, observed 2008 TC3 with
a fast read out photometer. They supplied these photometric data to Al
Harris who de-trended these data for 3 magnitudes of brightening, and
then sent his results to Petr Pravec who ran the light curve analysis
and determined the object was in a non-principal axis rotation state
(i.e., it was tumbling or wobbling) with the two principal rotation
periods being 97 and 49 seconds. Figures 1a and 1b provide illustrations
of the asteroid's approach to Earth. Note that the object entered the
Earth's shadow at 01:49 UT, nearly an hour before atmospheric entry, so
that ground-based astrometric observations ceased at that point.

[Figure 1a] 
The terminal trajectory for Earth impacting asteroid 2008
TC3. The view is looking down on the ecliptic plane.

[Figure 1b] 
The terminal trajectory for Earth impacting asteroid 2008
TC3. The view is from the sun. Note that the asteroid enters Earth
shadow at about 1:49 UT so that the final portion of the trajectory is
behind the Earth.

Table 1. The observed times and locations of atmospheric entry and
airburst reported by US government satellites are compared to the JPL
trajectory predictions for the same altitude. There is excellent
agreement especially in light of the observed time uncertainty
introduced by round off and the necessarily imprecise nature of the
observed events. The observed data were taken from Brown (2008a) and
Johnson (2008).

Event Atmospheric Entry Airburst Detonation
Altitude (km) 65.4 37
Observed Event Time (UT) 02:45:40 02:45:45
Predicted Event Time (UT) 02:45:38.45 02:45:45.13
Observed Long./Lat. (deg.) 31.4E   20.9N 32.2E   20.8N
Predicted Long./Lat. (deg.) 31.412E  20.933N 32.140E  20.793N

Figure 2 provides the latitude and longitude coordinates for the
object's positions at 10 km increments from 100 km altitude down to the
surface. Although atmospheric effects were not considered, the predicted
positions of the object agree well with the reported atmospheric
coordinates for atmospheric entry (at 65.4 km) and the airburst event
(at 37 km), which are plotted as red stars on the illustration. Figure 3
presents the uncertainty footprint of the impact predictions for an
altitude of 50 km.

[Figure 2.] 
The predicted path of the asteroid is noted at 10 km intervals
from 100 to 0 km altitude, neglecting atmospheric drag. The red dots
indicate the reported instances of atmospheric entry at 65.4 km altitude
and for the airburst at 37 km.

[Figure 3.]
Dispersion of 900 variant orbits, all of which could fit the
existing observational data, at an altitude of 50 km. The nominal (most
likely) position is denoted by the red dot in the center of the diagram.
The results of this Monte Carlo simulation demonstrate that most
possible orbits fell within 1 km from the mean, which is at (31.804?E,
20.858?N). The 1-, 2- and 3-sigma uncertainty ellipses are noted in red.
Statistically and respectively, these ellipses capture 39%, 86% and 99%
of the cases. The time of impact uncertainty at a given altitude is 0.16
seconds, 1-sigma.

The Observed Effects of Impact:

The fireball event was observed visually, in the infrared, and by very
low frequency infrasound devices.

Borovicka (2008) reported visual and infrared observations of the event
taken from the Meteosat 8 satellite on October 7 at approximately 2:45
UT. The spot (see Figure 4) was apparent in all 12 satellite spectral
channels, spanning wavelengths from the visible to infrared. The
estimated timing and position in the Meteosat 8 images is imprecise, but
roughly consistent with the JPL orbit estimate.

[Figure 4] 
Meteosat 8 / EUMETSAT infrared image of the 2008 TC3
explosion. The scale at the right gives the image intensity. Copyright
2008 EUMETSAT

Brown (2008a) provides information on the event derived from U.S.
Government satellites (See Table 1). Elsewhere, he reported that the
radiated energy was equivalent to approximately 0.1 kT (Brown 2008b),
which is again consistent with an overall kinetic energy of about 1 kT.
Brown also suggested that 2008 TC3 had a rather low mechanical strength,
saying "the height which is quoted for the detonation (37 km) is
unusually high for an object of this energy and (from the orbit
solutions) low entry velocity. This is almost exactly the same initial
burst height as recorded for the (faster) Tagish Lake fireball, which
also had the same entry angle. I would caution making direct
compositional comparisons, but it does certainly underscore the global
weakness of the object compared to chondritic objects and I think can be
used to all but rule out something as strong as an iron (for example)."

Kuiper (2008) reported that the pilot and co-pilot for a KLM flight over
Chad saw the impact flash after they had been alerted to watch for the
event. Captain Ron de Poorter and co-pilot Coen van Uden were flying
their 747-400 from Johannesburg to Amsterdam during that night of Oct
6th -7th. When they received the alert-message about 2008 TC3 from the
KLM dispatcher, their position was over Chad. At 0244 UT they began
continuously observing the horizon in the east-north-east sector of
their sight. They had put the received coordinates in their navigation
system and concluded that, compared to their plane's heading (which was
at that moment 348 degrees, almost NNW), they had to look at a bearing
of 68-70 degrees, in clockwise terms looking at 'half past two'. At UT
02:45:40 seconds they saw the sky above the part of the horizon they
were looking at, suddenly brightening by a light flash. In approximately
one and a half seconds, this "lightning" was 2 to 3 times more visible.

A clever, remote use of an Egyptian webcam on a Red Sea beach may have
captured the flash from the airburst. The web cam was located some 725
km north of the impact site and was pointed away from the impact
direction. Nevertheless, the camera did capture the brightening of
foreground objects illuminated by the flash. See:
http://home.pages.at/thie/asteroid_2008_tc3/

Brown (2008c) reported that preliminary examinations of several
infrasound stations nearest to the predicted impact point for the NEO
2008 TC3 has yielded at least two definite airwave detection from the
impact. The data are consistent with the predicted arrival direction and
time and suggest a kinetic energy of about 1.1 - 2.1 kilotons of TNT.

References:

Brown, Peter (2008a). http://aquarid.physics.uwo.ca/~pbrown/usaf/usg282.txt

Brown, Peter (2008b). Email received October 7, 2008.

Brown, Peter (2008c). Email received Oct. 9, 2008

Borovicka (2008). Event reported on IAU Circular 8994, Central Bureau of
Astronomical Telegrams, Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory,
Cambridge, MA, Oct. 8, 2008.

Harris, Alan (2008). Results reported at the Oct. 2008 AAS Division of
Planetary Sciences Conference at Cornell University.

Johnson, Lindley (2008). Email received by D.K. Yeomans on Oct. 7, 2008.

Kuiper, Jacob (2008). Emailed report received by D.K. Yeomans on Oct.
16, 2008 es Conference at Cornell University.

Johnson, Lindley (2008). Email received by D.K. Yeomans on Oct. 7, 2008.

Kuiper, Jacob (2008). Emailed report received by D.K. Yeomans on Oct.
16, 2008

Johnson, Lindley (2008). Email received by D.K. Yeomans on Oct. 7, 2008.

Kuiper, Jacob (2008). Emailed report received by D.K. Yeomans on Oct.
16, 2008


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Tue Nov  4 20:30:29 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 17:30:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA Hearing Daily From Weak Phoenix Mars Lander
Message-ID: <200811050130.RAA20958@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2008-203

NASA Hearing Daily From Weak Phoenix Mars Lander
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
November 03, 2008

PASADENA, Calif. -- NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander has communicated with
controllers daily since Oct. 30 through relays to Mars orbiters.
Information received over the weekend indicates Phoenix is running out
of power each afternoon or evening but reawakening after its solar
arrays catch morning sunlight.

The fraction of each day with sun above the horizon is declining at the
Martian arctic landing site. Dust raised by a storm last week continues
to block some of the sunshine.

"This is exactly the scenario we expected for the mission's final phase,
though the dust storm brought it a couple weeks sooner than we had
hoped," said Phoenix Project Manager Barry Goldstein of NASA's Jet
Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. "We will be trying to gain some
additional science during however many days we have left. Any day could
be our last."

Mission engineers at JPL and at Lockheed Martin Space Systems, Denver,
are attempting this week to upload commands to be stored in the lander's
flash memory for science activities to be conducted when the lander
wakes up each day.

"Weather observations are our top priority now," said Phoenix Principal
Investigator Peter Smith. "If there's enough energy, we will try to get
readings from the conductivity probe that has been inserted into the
soil, and possibly some images to assess frost buildup."

Phoenix landed on Mars May 25. It accomplished its main science goals
during the three months originally planned as its prime mission, then
continued operating, now in its sixth month.

The Phoenix mission is led by Peter Smith of the University of Arizona,
Tucson, with project management at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory and
development partnership at Lockheed Martin, Denver. International
contributions come from the Canadian Space Agency; the University of
Neuchatel, Switzerland; the universities of Copenhagen and Aarhus in
Denmark; the Max Planck Institute in Germany; the Finnish Meteorological
Institute; and Imperial College, London. The California Institute of
Technology in Pasadena manages JPL for NASA.

Media contact: Guy Webster 818-354-6278
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
Guy.Webster at jpl.nasa.gov 2008-203


From info at meteorites.com.au  Wed Nov  5 07:00:20 2008
From: info at meteorites.com.au (Jeff Kuyken)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 23:00:20 +1100
Subject: [meteorite-list] 2009 Meteorite Calender
In-Reply-To: <BAY115-W27D5AFEDD0713C1C332B65CA1D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY115-W12D28258F2254D7E7A54B0CA1D0@phx.gbl>
	<F8167AAB5F974A5394D127ADC18ADAD1@JeffPC>
	<BAY115-W27D5AFEDD0713C1C332B65CA1D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C62FF9F0EADA43368C5AE3586296818B@JeffPC>

Hi Tracy & all,

I wasn't going to put one together this year due to lack of time but we've 
just had a long weekend here and I was able to put one together. It's 
available at the CafePress website here:

http://www.cafepress.com/Meteorite.182689158

Cheers,

Jeff


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "tracy latimer"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 2:43 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite calendars?
>
>
>>
>>
>> Is anyone producing 2009 meteorite calendars? The past few years, I've
>> been lucky enough to get one, but I haven't seen anyone promoting their
>> product on the List this year yet. With Christmas coming up, this is the
>> time, folks, so if you have a 2009 meteorite calendar, flog it NOW! :D
>>
>> Best!
>> Tracy Latimer
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From meteoriteshow at free.fr  Wed Nov  5 10:29:27 2008
From: meteoriteshow at free.fr (Meteoriteshow)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:29:27 -0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Ebay auctions ending on Saturday
Message-ID: <003101c93f5b$4dbf3440$140af90a@T42>

Dear Listees,

This week as usual meteoriteshow's auctions are ending on Saturday and you 
can first reach the full list at:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmeteoriteshow

For more details, here are the meteorites that you can bid on this week:

1- METEORITE: Al Haggounia 001 PRIM. AUB. - 46.4g Endcut: Still at starting 
price, this quite big endcut with a large cut section smoothly polished is 
definitely a good deal!
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2- METEORITE: DAG 947 LL6 - 22.6g full slice: Also still at starting price 
this is one of the last opportnities to get a slice of this beautiful LL6, 
displaying nice clasts and measuring 50x47x4mm!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=330281504724

3- METEORITE: EL AROUSS L-IMB (unclas.) - 135.g full slice: A HUGE slice of 
this great impact melt, still at a low price considering the material and 
its size, the cut section displaying the typical vesiculated cavities of 
this meteorite, one particularly big chondrule and great metal flakes 
veins... Have a look, you will feel like biding!
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4- METEORITE: NWA OC - FUSION CRUST - 101.1g indiv: Another meteorite (O.C., 
unclassified) still at starting price ($1.00 only, no reserve price as 
usual), almost fully fusion crusted, with a nice shape and a big chondrule 
apperaing at the surface through the fusion crust...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=330281504864

5- METEORITE: ORIENTED NWA OC - FUSION CRUST - 11.6g indiv: Again a 
meteorite (O.C., unclassified) still at starting price... a small one, if 
you want to get a star dust for at a low price.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=330281504898

6- METEORITE: SAH 02500 L3 - 72.4g fragment: A nice piece of this beautiful 
type 3 chondrite, with fusion crust, and once again still at starting price.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=330281504948

7- METEORITE: Vaca Muerta MESO-A1 - 2.4g endcut: A nice endcut of this 
famous mesosiderite... and guess... still at starting price! $1.00!!! Jump 
on it!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=330281504981

Good luck to all of you and thanks for looking!
Kind regards,

Frederic Beroud
www.meteoriteshow.com
IMCA #2491


From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  5 13:05:21 2008
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:05:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Classification question
Message-ID: <877497.87551.qm@web45601.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I have some material I would like to get officially classified and given a name, can someone direct me to the right person/place?
It is really interesting material and all my previous posts about this here have gone unreplied to...
Thanks,
Greg


      


From info at niger-meteorite-recon.de  Wed Nov  5 13:30:24 2008
From: info at niger-meteorite-recon.de (Dr. Svend Buhl)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:30:24 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Classification question
References: <877497.87551.qm@web45601.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000701c93f74$91bf9d60$6401a8c0@HOME>

Hi Greg,

you will find the guidelines for an official classification in the 
guidelines section of the Meteoritical Society:

http://meteoriticalsociety.org/bulletin/nc-guidelines.htm

There are a lot of institutes classifying meteorites. Best is you go through 
the write ups in a pdf-copy of a recent issue of the Meteoritical Bulletin 
and pick a few out:

http://meteoriticalsociety.org/simple_template.cfm?code=pub_bulletin

Usually you find contact details of the labs in charge on the websites of 
the respective university. If you need to get the job done quick you may 
also try and contact Dean Bessey, who, if I remember correctly, offers a 
commercial classification service. You find his contact details here:

http://www.meteorite.com/meteorite-dealers/dealer-listings/meteorite_shop.htm

Cheers

Svend


www.meteorite-recon.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Catterton" <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:05 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Classification question


>I have some material I would like to get officially classified and given a 
>name, can someone direct me to the right person/place?
> It is really interesting material and all my previous posts about this 
> here have gone unreplied to...
> Thanks,
> Greg
>
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________
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From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  5 13:42:24 2008
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:42:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Classification question
In-Reply-To: <000701c93f74$91bf9d60$6401a8c0@HOME>
Message-ID: <72218.12709.qm@web45608.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Thanks, I have talked with Ted Bunch and will be sending a sample him.

Greg


--- On Wed, 11/5/08, Dr. Svend Buhl <info at niger-meteorite-recon.de> wrote:

> From: Dr. Svend Buhl <info at niger-meteorite-recon.de>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Classification question
> To: "Meteorite Mailing List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 1:30 PM
> Hi Greg,
> 
> you will find the guidelines for an official classification
> in the guidelines section of the Meteoritical Society:
> 
> http://meteoriticalsociety.org/bulletin/nc-guidelines.htm
> 
> There are a lot of institutes classifying meteorites. Best
> is you go through the write ups in a pdf-copy of a recent
> issue of the Meteoritical Bulletin and pick a few out:
> 
> http://meteoriticalsociety.org/simple_template.cfm?code=pub_bulletin
> 
> Usually you find contact details of the labs in charge on
> the websites of the respective university. If you need to
> get the job done quick you may also try and contact Dean
> Bessey, who, if I remember correctly, offers a commercial
> classification service. You find his contact details here:
> 
> http://www.meteorite.com/meteorite-dealers/dealer-listings/meteorite_shop.htm
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Svend
> 
> 
> www.meteorite-recon.com
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg
> Catterton" <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:05 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Classification question
> 
> 
> > I have some material I would like to get officially
> classified and given a name, can someone direct me to the
> right person/place?
> > It is really interesting material and all my previous
> posts about this here have gone unreplied to...
> > Thanks,
> > Greg
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ______________________________________________
> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list 
> 
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From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  5 16:58:06 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:58:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad: Nulles, Sena Spain (fell 1773)!
Message-ID: <681472.27813.qm@web110215.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi everyone.
I am home for a couple of days between trips overseas, and have some extremely rare pieces for sale. I recently completed an Exchange with ASU and acquired some great stuff. Much of which will be ready for the Tucson show. 

I have some smaller pieces of extremely rare Spanish falls to offer today. No photos up, but can work on that if needed.

First is Sena, H4, fell November 17, 1773 in Huesca, spain. 
Need I say more, I mean, 1773! George Washington was no even president of the non-existent USA then! Rare as rare can get, British museum has .25 gram. 
This piece weighs 2.957 gram, cut fragment from ASU 785, Provenance of the Shepherd collection. $2500.00


Nulles, Catalonia Spain, fell November 5th 1851, 157 years ago TODAY.
All from ASU and formerly Shepherd Collection.
3.29 grams fragment with crust, ASU#783-13 $825.00
2.21 grams, fragment with crust ASU#783-11 $550.00
1.8 gram . fragment, no crust ASU#783-14 $450.00
0.53 gram, fragment with crust ASU#783-16 $175.00

This is all, no more available for now. 

First come, first served.  
PAYPAL ONLY as I am leavnig the country for one month on Saturday.
Michael Farmer



From cynapse at charter.net  Wed Nov  5 17:17:00 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:17:00 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteor(ite) crater discovered
In-Reply-To: <200811050114.RAA19386@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
References: <200811050114.RAA19386@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <3n64h4t1olijgur85gd7l1lr4c9c7lchhf@4ax.com>

http://www.whitecourtstar.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1282298

Meteor crater identified
Posted By Alexandra Pope
Posted 4 hours ago

What local hunters in Whitecourt thought for years was a sinkhole is actually
the crater left behind by a meteor that fell to earth 1,000 years ago and is now
attracting international attention from researchers.

George VanderBurg, MLA for Whitecourt-Ste. Anne, said he was very surprised to
learn about the crater. He recalled going hunting with his father and using the
site as a meeting point. Deer could often be found drinking rainwater that
collected in the bottom of the crater, he said.

"All of us that have grown up here have known about it, but we didn?t know it
was the big scientific thing that it is," he said.

Chris Herd, a professor with the University of Alberta?s department of earth and
atmospheric sciences who is leading the research on the meteor crater, said he
couldn?t believe his ears when someone from the area told him about the crater
last year.

"We still joke about how skeptical I was on the phone, because we literally get
hundreds of these calls every year," Herd said in an interview at the crater
site last Monday. "This is very exciting."

The crater is 36 metres wide and six metres deep, which is small as far as most
craters go, Herd said. At an estimated 1,000 years old, it is also one of the
youngest craters in the world. The second-youngest crater in Canada, located in
Quebec, is 1.2 million years old.

Herd said the meteor, which was made primarily of iron, was probably formed very
early in the life of the solar system by the same process that formed the
earth?s core. Herd thinks the meteor came from the asteroid belt and measured
one metre across. However, researchers have so far found 74 different pieces of
the original meteor ? which is called a meteorite once it hits the ground ?
scattered around the crater, some up to 70 metres away.

"The big mystery is the relationship between the meteorites and the event," Herd
said.

Herd explained that most meteors travel so fast, they are completely vaporized
when they hit the earth. In some cases the pressure of earth?s atmosphere slows
a meteor down enough to leave a portion of it relatively intact when it lands.

But something happened to the Whitecourt meteor on its way to earth, Herd said.
The meteorites found around the crater have sharp edges, which tell researchers
a story about what might have happened to the meteor before it hit the ground.

"The rock was ripped apart on impact or at a low altitude," Herd said.
"Otherwise the atmospheric pressure would have rounded (the edges of the
meteorites)."

The site is one of only 12 of its kind in the world and has been very well
preserved, Herd said.

"It?s a phenomenal opportunity for the research that I do," he said.

Lindsay Blackett, Alberta minister of culture and community spirit, said the big
concern for local authorities is how to prevent meteorite hunters from coming to
the site and digging up meteorite fragments.

The province will designate the site as a historic resource and post signs
asking visitors to do their part in preserving it, but researchers fear that
won?t stop some meteorite collectors from stealing rocks.

"You really just have to count on the local community to keep an eye on it,"
Blackett said. "I think people having a vested interest in this site will
(encourage them) to keep an eye on it."

VanderBurg said once the researchers have finished their work, the site could be
a great educational opportunity for the public and local students.

"This is the kind of place that inspires kids to go out and seek careers in
science," he said.

From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Wed Nov  5 17:25:02 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 05 Nov 2008 22:25:02 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteor(ite) crater discovered
Message-ID: <DIIE.0000008900003564@paulinet.de>

Hi List,

"the big concern for local authorities is how to prevent meteorite
 hunters from coming to the site and digging up meteorite fragments."

The best solution would probably have been not to publish all these details!
Remember Gold Basin?! Twink, Jim, and John first did the meticulous scientific
work of locating, collecting, and cataloging the first finds in collaboration
with D. Kring before the public learnt about this 15,000 year-old strewnfield!

Best wishes,

Bernd


From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  5 17:35:41 2008
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:35:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteor(ite) crater discovered
In-Reply-To: <DIIE.0000008900003564@paulinet.de>
Message-ID: <702073.22856.qm@web45616.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I would have to agree... if you find a gold mine would you tell everyone about it before your had a chance to secure it?



--- On Wed, 11/5/08, bernd.pauli at paulinet.de <bernd.pauli at paulinet.de> wrote:

> From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de <bernd.pauli at paulinet.de>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor(ite) crater discovered
> To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 5:25 PM
> Hi List,
> 
> "the big concern for local authorities is how to
> prevent meteorite
>  hunters from coming to the site and digging up meteorite
> fragments."
> 
> The best solution would probably have been not to publish
> all these details!
> Remember Gold Basin?! Twink, Jim, and John first did the
> meticulous scientific
> work of locating, collecting, and cataloging the first
> finds in collaboration
> with D. Kring before the public learnt about this 15,000
> year-old strewnfield!
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Bernd
> 
> ______________________________________________
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> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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From meteoriteplaya at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 18:02:36 2008
From: meteoriteplaya at gmail.com (Mike Jensen)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:02:36 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteor(ite) crater discovered
In-Reply-To: <3n64h4t1olijgur85gd7l1lr4c9c7lchhf@4ax.com>
References: <200811050114.RAA19386@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
	<3n64h4t1olijgur85gd7l1lr4c9c7lchhf@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <6f9da8300811051502u8a041e6me731c847e7b93125@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All

This article has a picture of a meteorite IIIAB, Om;

http://tinyurl.com/5t4r4u

Couple of more articles about the site
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/metsoc2008/pdf/5109.pdf
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/metsoc2008/pdf/5108.pdf


Mike


Mike Jensen Meteorites
16730 E Ada PL
Aurora, CO 80017-3137
USA
720-949-6220
IMCA 4264
website: www.jensenmeteorites.com


On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 3:17 PM, Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net> wrote:
> http://www.whitecourtstar.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1282298
>
> Meteor crater identified
> Posted By Alexandra Pope
> Posted 4 hours ago
>
> What local hunters in Whitecourt thought for years was a sinkhole is actually
> the crater left behind by a meteor that fell to earth 1,000 years ago and is now
> attracting international attention from researchers.
>
> George VanderBurg, MLA for Whitecourt-Ste. Anne, said he was very surprised to
> learn about the crater. He recalled going hunting with his father and using the
> site as a meeting point. Deer could often be found drinking rainwater that
> collected in the bottom of the crater, he said.
>
> "All of us that have grown up here have known about it, but we didn't know it
> was the big scientific thing that it is," he said.
>
> Chris Herd, a professor with the University of Alberta's department of earth and
> atmospheric sciences who is leading the research on the meteor crater, said he
> couldn't believe his ears when someone from the area told him about the crater
> last year.
>
> "We still joke about how skeptical I was on the phone, because we literally get
> hundreds of these calls every year," Herd said in an interview at the crater
> site last Monday. "This is very exciting."
>
> The crater is 36 metres wide and six metres deep, which is small as far as most
> craters go, Herd said. At an estimated 1,000 years old, it is also one of the
> youngest craters in the world. The second-youngest crater in Canada, located in
> Quebec, is 1.2 million years old.
>
> Herd said the meteor, which was made primarily of iron, was probably formed very
> early in the life of the solar system by the same process that formed the
> earth's core. Herd thinks the meteor came from the asteroid belt and measured
> one metre across. However, researchers have so far found 74 different pieces of
> the original meteor ? which is called a meteorite once it hits the ground ?
> scattered around the crater, some up to 70 metres away.
>
> "The big mystery is the relationship between the meteorites and the event," Herd
> said.
>
> Herd explained that most meteors travel so fast, they are completely vaporized
> when they hit the earth. In some cases the pressure of earth's atmosphere slows
> a meteor down enough to leave a portion of it relatively intact when it lands.
>
> But something happened to the Whitecourt meteor on its way to earth, Herd said.
> The meteorites found around the crater have sharp edges, which tell researchers
> a story about what might have happened to the meteor before it hit the ground.
>
> "The rock was ripped apart on impact or at a low altitude," Herd said.
> "Otherwise the atmospheric pressure would have rounded (the edges of the
> meteorites)."
>
> The site is one of only 12 of its kind in the world and has been very well
> preserved, Herd said.
>
> "It's a phenomenal opportunity for the research that I do," he said.
>
> Lindsay Blackett, Alberta minister of culture and community spirit, said the big
> concern for local authorities is how to prevent meteorite hunters from coming to
> the site and digging up meteorite fragments.
>
> The province will designate the site as a historic resource and post signs
> asking visitors to do their part in preserving it, but researchers fear that
> won't stop some meteorite collectors from stealing rocks.
>
> "You really just have to count on the local community to keep an eye on it,"
> Blackett said. "I think people having a vested interest in this site will
> (encourage them) to keep an eye on it."
>
> VanderBurg said once the researchers have finished their work, the site could be
> a great educational opportunity for the public and local students.
>
> "This is the kind of place that inspires kids to go out and seek careers in
> science," he said.
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>

From mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com  Wed Nov  5 18:05:05 2008
From: mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com (mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 23:05:05 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteor(ite) crater discovered
In-Reply-To: <6f9da8300811051502u8a041e6me731c847e7b93125@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811050114.RAA19386@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov><3n64h4t1olijgur85gd7l1lr4c9c7lchhf@4ax.com><6f9da8300811051502u8a041e6me731c847e7b93125@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <679675926-1225926453-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2126925757-@bxe202.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Really interesting. Are there better, bigger pics of the crater??
Matt
----------------------
Matt Morgan
Mile High Meteorites
http://www.mhmeteorites.com
P.O. Box 151293
Lakewood, CO 80215 USA

-----Original Message-----
From: "Mike Jensen" <meteoriteplaya at gmail.com>

Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:02:36 
To: <cynapse at charter.net>
Cc: Meteorite Mailing List<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor(ite) crater discovered


Hi All

This article has a picture of a meteorite IIIAB, Om;

http://tinyurl.com/5t4r4u

Couple of more articles about the site
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/metsoc2008/pdf/5109.pdf
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/metsoc2008/pdf/5108.pdf


Mike


Mike Jensen Meteorites
16730 E Ada PL
Aurora, CO 80017-3137
USA
720-949-6220
IMCA 4264
website: www.jensenmeteorites.com


On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 3:17 PM, Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net> wrote:
> http://www.whitecourtstar.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1282298
>
> Meteor crater identified
> Posted By Alexandra Pope
> Posted 4 hours ago
>
> What local hunters in Whitecourt thought for years was a sinkhole is actually
> the crater left behind by a meteor that fell to earth 1,000 years ago and is now
> attracting international attention from researchers.
>
> George VanderBurg, MLA for Whitecourt-Ste. Anne, said he was very surprised to
> learn about the crater. He recalled going hunting with his father and using the
> site as a meeting point. Deer could often be found drinking rainwater that
> collected in the bottom of the crater, he said.
>
> "All of us that have grown up here have known about it, but we didn't know it
> was the big scientific thing that it is," he said.
>
> Chris Herd, a professor with the University of Alberta's department of earth and
> atmospheric sciences who is leading the research on the meteor crater, said he
> couldn't believe his ears when someone from the area told him about the crater
> last year.
>
> "We still joke about how skeptical I was on the phone, because we literally get
> hundreds of these calls every year," Herd said in an interview at the crater
> site last Monday. "This is very exciting."
>
> The crater is 36 metres wide and six metres deep, which is small as far as most
> craters go, Herd said. At an estimated 1,000 years old, it is also one of the
> youngest craters in the world. The second-youngest crater in Canada, located in
> Quebec, is 1.2 million years old.
>
> Herd said the meteor, which was made primarily of iron, was probably formed very
> early in the life of the solar system by the same process that formed the
> earth's core. Herd thinks the meteor came from the asteroid belt and measured
> one metre across. However, researchers have so far found 74 different pieces of
> the original meteor ? which is called a meteorite once it hits the ground ?
> scattered around the crater, some up to 70 metres away.
>
> "The big mystery is the relationship between the meteorites and the event," Herd
> said.
>
> Herd explained that most meteors travel so fast, they are completely vaporized
> when they hit the earth. In some cases the pressure of earth's atmosphere slows
> a meteor down enough to leave a portion of it relatively intact when it lands.
>
> But something happened to the Whitecourt meteor on its way to earth, Herd said.
> The meteorites found around the crater have sharp edges, which tell researchers
> a story about what might have happened to the meteor before it hit the ground.
>
> "The rock was ripped apart on impact or at a low altitude," Herd said.
> "Otherwise the atmospheric pressure would have rounded (the edges of the
> meteorites)."
>
> The site is one of only 12 of its kind in the world and has been very well
> preserved, Herd said.
>
> "It's a phenomenal opportunity for the research that I do," he said.
>
> Lindsay Blackett, Alberta minister of culture and community spirit, said the big
> concern for local authorities is how to prevent meteorite hunters from coming to
> the site and digging up meteorite fragments.
>
> The province will designate the site as a historic resource and post signs
> asking visitors to do their part in preserving it, but researchers fear that
> won't stop some meteorite collectors from stealing rocks.
>
> "You really just have to count on the local community to keep an eye on it,"
> Blackett said. "I think people having a vested interest in this site will
> (encourage them) to keep an eye on it."
>
> VanderBurg said once the researchers have finished their work, the site could be
> a great educational opportunity for the public and local students.
>
> "This is the kind of place that inspires kids to go out and seek careers in
> science," he said.
>______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
______________________________________________
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Meteorite-list mailing list
Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list

From scyphocrinites at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  5 19:47:20 2008
From: scyphocrinites at yahoo.com (Malek Youssef)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:47:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD : Nice cheap Carbonaceous Chondrites
Message-ID: <528759.22398.qm@web53303.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I have for sale Nice complet Carbonaceous Chondrites CV3 , contact me off list for photos and price.
Regards
M.Youssef


      

From gmhupe at htn.net  Wed Nov  5 20:09:44 2008
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:09:44 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Very Nice Meteorites Listed - AD
Message-ID: <6B8CD51459D64732914D9304851E6783@Gregor>

Dear List Members,

I have just listed on eBay some very nice meteorites, most started at just 
99 cents and are on the LARGER side. All can be found by seller, 
NaturesVault, or by clicking here: 
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couple that were featured in the November 2008 issue of "Astronomy" 
magazine!

Here is a quick list to some of this week's new highlights:
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99 cents!!)
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====================
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gmhupe at htn.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163
====================
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From info at tektiteinc.com  Wed Nov  5 21:29:08 2008
From: info at tektiteinc.com (info at tektiteinc.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:29:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tektite trip to Belitung (Billiton)
Message-ID: <60833.127.0.0.1.1225938548.squirrel@syd-srv07.ezyreg.com>

Hi all,

I have a message from Aubrey. He has problems posting on the Met list so
Im posting it on his behalf. Thanks.

Hi,

I have 4 new pages on my website following a trip to Belitung Island
(formerly Billiton Island). Had a great time, got a load of nice
Billitonites and loved the Indonesian people!

http://www.tektites.co.uk/belitung.html

Regards,
Aubrey

Cheers,
Desmond Leong
IMCA #2254
http://www.TektiteInc.com
http://stores.ebay.com/Tektite-Inc
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZtektiteinc-dot-com



From chinaren76 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  6 07:54:31 2008
From: chinaren76 at yahoo.com (Ma Lan)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 04:54:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Who will attend the 10th Tuscon Metor Auction 2009?
Message-ID: <322043.40243.qm@web52701.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Dear list,

For the 10th Tuscon meteorite auction 2009, who has a plan to attend it? Plz contact me off-list, need a little help.
Thanks in advance.

Best wishes,

Ma Lan
Beijing China
Web: http://www.malanmeteorites.com/


      

From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Thu Nov  6 08:59:52 2008
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 14:59:52 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteor(ite) crater discovered
In-Reply-To: <DIIE.0000008900003564@paulinet.de>
References: <DIIE.0000008900003564@paulinet.de>
Message-ID: <007401c94017$f1fbb440$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>

Huh Bernd,

how impolite that article is. Why they don't replace "meteorite collectors"
and "meteorite hunters" by "people"?
They almost seem to be victims of their own propaganda.
Do you remember the comic strips with that William Barriere?

But honestly, when did it happen for the last time, that a Canadian
meteorite was removed or stolen by greedy tomb raiders?
Tagish Lake doesn't count, on contrary, it was due to the initial finder
that more material was rescued.

Well, and when I rummage in the Canadian collections - uh, there must have
been a lot of Barrieres at work from Logan's times on...

No seriously, aside that we all don't appreciate the disparaging accent,
to be lumped together with such looters and their dogsbodies like a
Schreibers, a Hunt, a Logan or a Nininger..,

I'd say such a hysterical article is quite the most awkward, what one can
do, if one wants to protect a new strewnfield or a crater in Canada.

Why? Cause for no meteorite hunter or collector it is attractive to search
for Canadian finds, as they could only sell them to the handful of Canadian
collectors.

Who will be therefore attracted by such statements?
The meteoritical laymen, souvenir and treasure hunters.
People, who were not aware, what a meteorite is at all and that they might
be valuable items.

Now they can read, there is laying stuff in the ground, which is of so high
interest and value, that the authorities are very concerned, that they won't
be able to protect it from "hunters", who would come there, obviously with
the intention to get rich and wealthy.

A really remarkably stupid invitation, in my eyes.

Anyway, the most simple, efficient and inexpensive method to protect
national meteorites, if desired, 
is to grant sufficient funds to the institutes, museums, universities
for acquiring the finds.

A fly-funk, as we say in German, compared to the means used in other fields
of research, in recovery expeditions for meteorites, in space flight.
And seen the knowledge and information we obtain from the study of
meteorites - by far the most cost-effective way of space exploration.

O Canada, give more money to the Survey, Alberta, ROM....!

I remember several years back, there a private person in Canada offered me
an amazing multi-kg individual, complete and black-crusted of the St-Robert
fall. The price was so attractive, that every dealer would have taken it
immediately for resale, if there weren't the known troubles with the
Canadian stuff.
That man was desperately searching for a buyer - he asked the same price the
Canadian Survey had paid for the first piece of St.Robert.
But all Canadian collections, museums, universities he contacted, including
the Survey, weren't interested in the stone at all!

And how does that all fit together?
On the one hand all the noble words about the national and cultural
heritage, which has to be protected; the scientific importance of
meteorites, the necessity and efforts to protect the stones, the
propaganda..
and additionally the money which has to be spend for recovering such
material (the Antarctic search and the secondary costs - they cost USA,
Japan, China each year a 3 digit-million-dollar-sum), not to speak about
spaceflight.....

and then the research institutes and museums shouldn't be able to acquire a
big & beautiful entire chunk of their so beloved home-falls at a rate of the
smallest rinky-dink compact car?

There's the rub and not these imaginary William Barrieres are the problem.

In propaganda the Canadians are already very good,
important would be now, to direct the propaganda to get those funds,
which would be more adequate to the declared importance of the meteorites.

I mean each whack Frankenstein, if he tells, I'll create some piggies, which
will glow in the dark, gets immediately a budget.
Meteorite science is in a better way fundamental research and the costs for
that research and the research objects themselves are peanuts.

Btw. here in Europe, whenever an observatory or a private collector is
designing a meteorite exhibition, they can apply for EU-funds for that
purpose, and EU will pay the major part of the costs, including the
meteorites themselves. Even if the exhibition will be only temporary.
And then you have universities here, interesting in working on meteorites,
which have a budget, allowing them to acquire pieces for a few hundred bucks
per year only...   Absurd.

Ah, nice addition for the end of that post.

The comic strips weren't true. The kids, who found the new meteorite won't
be rewarded only with a plate with their names on, on the showcase in the
museum, no, the Canadian Geological Survey is more generous:

"The Collection also offers to pay the owner a minimum of $500 for the first
specimen of any new Canadian meteorite." (21 April, 2006).

http://www.museums.ualberta.ca/justin/documents/TagishLakeBackgrounder.pdf

Poor girl, in the comic strip her dream was to spend a holiday in Egypt.
For that cash she hardly could afford the plane ticket.


But now back from such embarrassments.
In my opinion we have a somewhat paradox situation.
Never before in the 200 years of modern meteoritics the great institutes and
collections had so small budgets for acquiring meteorites - and that exactly
in these very times,
when the deserts opened their treasure chests, when the methods of analysing
rapidly improved leading almost weekly to new thrilling results,
and when space flight to planetary bodies underwent a remarkable
renaissance.

Therefore I'd say we need more propaganda for the excellent work the
meteorite scientists are doing and for the importance of the occupation with
that matter from space.
It is so strange for me to read, that e.g. ESA had spent a lot of money to
hunt for terrestrial rocks similar to Martians (btw in Canada), instead (or
at least additionally) to do research on real Mars rocks (which would have
been much cheaper) - or to read in articles about the planned
sample-return-mission to Mars, that then for the first time in history
mankind would be able to touch a piece of Mars.
It almost seems that a major part of scientists involved in planetology and
space exploration are not aware, that the stuff is already here on Earth,
waiting to fill their labs!

But there is hope.
I personally observe, that much more is done during the very recent years to
bring meteorites to a broader public attention.
In Germany/Switzerland/Austria there are opening each year at least 5-6 new
thematic exhibitions about meteorites, in museums, planetaria
(planetariums?), or done by collectors.
No week in TV anymore, where you don't find something about meteorites,
craters, impacts - and even the science columns of the larger daily
newspapers report here and there about new results of the research on
meteorites or new recoveries.
Additional public lessons about meteorites are held, either by scientist or
collectors. Hunters are travelling around with multimedia shows and
collectors are going into schools with their stones.

Therefore I'd say private collectors could be very helpful in spreading
knowledge and awareness about that subject (and shouldn't be bedevilled like
it happens here and there in such articles like that one).

How about Canada,
which activities are taking place in Canada?
Can list members report, I'm curios.

So far to my mind is coming the excellent meteorite-homepage of the
planetarium of Montreal, or the exhibition "Facing Mars", which opened in
summer in the Ontario Science Center, also housing a Martian meteorite.

Best!
Martin










-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von
bernd.pauli at paulinet.de
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. November 2008 23:25
An: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor(ite) crater discovered

Hi List,

"the big concern for local authorities is how to prevent meteorite
 hunters from coming to the site and digging up meteorite fragments."

The best solution would probably have been not to publish all these details!
Remember Gold Basin?! Twink, Jim, and John first did the meticulous
scientific
work of locating, collecting, and cataloging the first finds in
collaboration
with D. Kring before the public learnt about this 15,000 year-old
strewnfield!

Best wishes,

Bernd

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From mpg444 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  6 10:11:38 2008
From: mpg444 at yahoo.com (Mike Groetz)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 07:11:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteor falls over Centre Wellington
Message-ID: <72980.20770.qm@web33005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

http://www.centrewellington.com/news.php?id=769


Meteor falls over Centre Wellington
Published - Nov 5th, 2008
By Francis Baker 
    
 

If you were awake early on the morning of Oct. 15 and heard or saw something strange in the sky, the University of Western Ontario wants to hear from you.
The university?s Meteor Group tracked a fireball in the earth?s atmosphere over the northeast part of Wellington County at 5:28 a.m. on Wednesday, Oct. 15. They believe meteorites could have come to earth across a section of Centre Wellington.
The Physics and Astronomy Department at Western has a network of all-sky cameras in southern Ontario that scan the sky monitoring for meteors. When tracking cameras lost sight of the object, it was still about one kilogram in size, 37 kilometres up, and moving very slowly, said Phil McCausland, a postdoctoral researcher in Planetary Science. 
It could have hit the ground in one large piece, in several large fragments, or as a mass of pea-sized bits, he said.
?It could be anything from pea-sized, gram-sized pieces ? through to golf-ball-sized fragments,? he said. ?We don?t know how much it broke up.?
McCausland and associate professor Peter Brown are hoping local residents can help them recover one or more meteorite fragments if they came down - they're looking for people who saw or, even better, heard something when the fragments came to earth.
?Sometimes in fall events, people report hearing a whistling sound,? McCausland said said.
But it?s far more likely people saw what looked like a relatively slow fireball moving across the sky, which was recorded by the university's sky camera network. Several people have reported seeing the fireball trail. 
?Eyewitness reports are helpful,? he said, ?because people?s eyesight is more sensitive than our cameras.?
A large fragment ? even a golf-ball-sized rock, would cause visible damage to a structure like a shed or barn.
More likely, fragments missed structures and hit the ground. What people would find is a small hole in the earth with a rock at the bottom, he said.
By tracking backwards using the camera observations, researchers have determined the meteorite was on a typical Earth-crossing asteroid-type orbit, and expect is was a stony-type object, McCausland said.
Several people have called in with objects they?ve discovered, but none relate to this event, he said.
For more information or assistance in identifying possible meteorites, contact Phil McCausland at the University of Western Ontario, 519-661-2111, ext. 87985 or via email at pmccausl at uwo.ca.



      

From MeteorHntr at aol.com  Thu Nov  6 10:57:46 2008
From: MeteorHntr at aol.com (MeteorHntr at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:57:46 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteor(ite) crater discovered
Message-ID: <cd7.425d36d4.36446dfa@aol.com>

So, are they afraid someone will come along and  steal the crater?

Or are they afraid someone will come along and find a  meteorite, "steal" it, 
and ruin all their science?

I don't get  it?

Steve  #1




http://www.whitecourtstar.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1282298

Meteor  crater identified
Posted By Alexandra Pope
Posted 4 hours ago

What  local hunters in Whitecourt thought for years was a sinkhole is actually
the  crater left behind by a meteor that fell to earth 1,000 years ago and is 
 now
attracting international attention from researchers.

George  VanderBurg, MLA for Whitecourt-Ste. Anne, said he was very surprised 
to
learn  about the crater. He recalled going hunting with his father and using  
the
site as a meeting point. Deer could often be found drinking rainwater  that
collected in the bottom of the crater, he said.

"All of us that  have grown up here have known about it, but we didn?t know it
was the big  scientific thing that it is," he said.

Chris Herd, a professor with the  University of Alberta?s department of earth 
and
atmospheric sciences who is  leading the research on the meteor crater, said 
he
couldn?t believe his ears  when someone from the area told him about the 
crater
last year.

"We  still joke about how skeptical I was on the phone, because we literally  
get
hundreds of these calls every year," Herd said in an interview at the  crater
site last Monday. "This is very exciting."

The crater is 36  metres wide and six metres deep, which is small as far as 
most
craters go,  Herd said. At an estimated 1,000 years old, it is also one of the
youngest  craters in the world. The second-youngest crater in Canada, located 
 in
Quebec, is 1.2 million years old.

Herd said the meteor, which was  made primarily of iron, was probably formed 
very
early in the life of the  solar system by the same process that formed the
earth?s core. Herd thinks  the meteor came from the asteroid belt and measured
one metre across.  However, researchers have so far found 74 different pieces 
of
the original  meteor ? which is called a meteorite once it hits the ground ?
scattered  around the crater, some up to 70 metres away.

"The big mystery is the  relationship between the meteorites and the event," 
Herd
said.

Herd  explained that most meteors travel so fast, they are completely  
vaporized
when they hit the earth. In some cases the pressure of earth?s  atmosphere 
slows
a meteor down enough to leave a portion of it relatively  intact when it 
lands.

But something happened to the Whitecourt meteor on  its way to earth, Herd 
said.
The meteorites found around the crater have  sharp edges, which tell 
researchers
a story about what might have happened to  the meteor before it hit the 
ground.

"The rock was ripped apart on impact  or at a low altitude," Herd said.
"Otherwise the atmospheric pressure would  have rounded (the edges of the
meteorites)."

The site is one of only  12 of its kind in the world and has been very well
preserved, Herd  said.

"It?s a phenomenal opportunity for the research that I do," he  said.

Lindsay Blackett, Alberta minister of culture and community spirit,  said the 
big
concern for local authorities is how to prevent meteorite  hunters from 
coming to
the site and digging up meteorite  fragments.

The province will designate the site as a historic resource  and post signs
asking visitors to do their part in preserving it, but  researchers fear that
won?t stop some meteorite collectors from stealing  rocks.

"You really just have to count on the local community to keep an  eye on it,"
Blackett said. "I think people having a vested interest in this  site will
(encourage them) to keep an eye on it."

VanderBurg said once  the researchers have finished their work, the site 
could be
a great  educational opportunity for the public and local students.

"This is the  kind of place that inspires kids to go out and seek careers in
science," he  said.
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From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  6 11:56:18 2008
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 08:56:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] RE : Wanted to Buy - Pallasite (found!)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.458.1225976073.17745.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <868914.80719.qm@web58401.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi Everyone!

This is just a note to let the group know that I have found the pallasite slice I was looking for.  I received many offers and it took me a while to sort through all of the responses.  Later tonight I will be replying to
each person individually, but I wanted to post this to the group so I won't get any late new offers.

After it arrives here, I'll post some photos of it. :)

Thanks to everyone who responded!

MikeG

.........................................................
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From drtanuki at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  6 13:15:23 2008
From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:15:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] FYI: Tokyo Mineral Show Dec 12-15 Japan
Message-ID: <648141.91666.qm@web53205.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Dear List Members,
  The 17th annual Tokyo Mineral Show will be held from December 12(Fri)-15(Mon) 10:00am~18:30pm in Tokyo, Japan at the Sunshine Building, Bunka Kai Kan 2F~3F, Ikebukuro, Tokyo.  
  Several lectures and events are scheduled to be held during the show on Dec 13 and Dec 14. Exibits and lectures will feature native gold and fossils.
  More than 250 dealers will exhibit at the show including about 50 international dealers.  Minerals, fossils, meteorites and others will be offered for sale.
  For more information about specifics please see the show website at:

http://www.tokyomineralshow.com

  If you require information in English or help please contact me via email.  Thank you.  
Best Always, Dirk Ross...Tokyo (Material Culture)

http://www.meteoritesjapan.com
http://www.insekijapan.com 

From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  6 13:23:41 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:23:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] FYI: Tokyo Mineral Show Dec 12-15 Japan
In-Reply-To: <648141.91666.qm@web53205.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <519815.98245.qm@web110210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I will attend and sale at the Tokyo show, with Hans Koser, as I have for the last few years. It is a small show, but I understand that it will nearly double in size this year! Exciting. 
Anyone who ever wanted to go to Tokyo, it is a great time, cool to cold, but hardly ever rainy, my wife loved it, lots to do, central city location, short subway rides to anything you can imagine in Tokyo to do, and great views of Mount Fuji on cleardays from the hotel! It also costs less than Europe to visit Tokyo.
Michael Farmer



--- On Thu, 11/6/08, drtanuki <drtanuki at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: drtanuki <drtanuki at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] FYI: Tokyo Mineral Show Dec 12-15 Japan
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, "Rockhounds" <rockhounds at lists.drizzle.com>
> Cc: tms at planey.co.jp
> Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 11:15 AM
> Dear List Members,
>   The 17th annual Tokyo Mineral Show will be held from
> December 12(Fri)-15(Mon) 10:00am~18:30pm in Tokyo, Japan at
> the Sunshine Building, Bunka Kai Kan 2F~3F, Ikebukuro,
> Tokyo.  
>   Several lectures and events are scheduled to be held
> during the show on Dec 13 and Dec 14. Exibits and lectures
> will feature native gold and fossils.
>   More than 250 dealers will exhibit at the show including
> about 50 international dealers.  Minerals, fossils,
> meteorites and others will be offered for sale.
>   For more information about specifics please see the show
> website at:
> 
> http://www.tokyomineralshow.com
> 
>   If you require information in English or help please
> contact me via email.  Thank you.  
> Best Always, Dirk Ross...Tokyo (Material Culture)
> 
> http://www.meteoritesjapan.com
> http://www.insekijapan.com 
> ______________________________________________
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From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  6 13:36:17 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:36:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] FYI: Tokyo Mineral Show Dec 12-15 Japan
In-Reply-To: <001b01c9403d$c806ee90$5814cbb0$@kashuba@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <253588.38288.qm@web110212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

John, hotel rooms at the show in a 50 story hotel cost ~100 night single, $140 night double. The show is in a giant mall complex, with planetarium, aquarium, 100s of shops, restaurants etc. Bus from airport to front door of the hotel about 2 hours, $30.00. Very convienient, since subways are full of millions and I do mean millions of people. Very fun. You should go. 
Food on the street in small shops, sushi bars, cafes costs $~8-10. Real restaurants are ~8$0 $100 per meal.
No shortage of American/Western food about every 10 feet. 
It really is a lot of fun, but not much meteorite-wise at the show. 
Mike


--- On Thu, 11/6/08, Kashuba <mary.kashuba at verizon.net> wrote:

> From: Kashuba <mary.kashuba at verizon.net>
> Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] FYI: Tokyo Mineral Show Dec 12-15 Japan
> To: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com
> Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 11:30 AM
> Hmmm.  Good to know.  Thanks for posting that.
> 
> - John
> 
> John Kashuba
> Ontario, California
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On
> Behalf Of Michael
> Farmer
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 10:24 AM
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com; Rockhounds;
> drtanuki at yahoo.com
> Cc: tms at planey.co.jp
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FYI: Tokyo Mineral Show Dec
> 12-15 Japan
> 
> I will attend and sale at the Tokyo show, with Hans Koser,
> as I have for the
> last few years. It is a small show, but I understand that
> it will nearly
> double in size this year! Exciting. 
> Anyone who ever wanted to go to Tokyo, it is a great time,
> cool to cold, but
> hardly ever rainy, my wife loved it, lots to do, central
> city location,
> short subway rides to anything you can imagine in Tokyo to
> do, and great
> views of Mount Fuji on cleardays from the hotel! It also
> costs less than
> Europe to visit Tokyo.
> Michael Farmer
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Thu, 11/6/08, drtanuki <drtanuki at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: drtanuki <drtanuki at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] FYI: Tokyo Mineral Show Dec
> 12-15 Japan
> > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com,
> "Rockhounds"
> <rockhounds at lists.drizzle.com>
> > Cc: tms at planey.co.jp
> > Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 11:15 AM
> > Dear List Members,
> >   The 17th annual Tokyo Mineral Show will be held from
> > December 12(Fri)-15(Mon) 10:00am~18:30pm in Tokyo,
> Japan at
> > the Sunshine Building, Bunka Kai Kan 2F~3F, Ikebukuro,
> > Tokyo.  
> >   Several lectures and events are scheduled to be held
> > during the show on Dec 13 and Dec 14. Exibits and
> lectures
> > will feature native gold and fossils.
> >   More than 250 dealers will exhibit at the show
> including
> > about 50 international dealers.  Minerals, fossils,
> > meteorites and others will be offered for sale.
> >   For more information about specifics please see the
> show
> > website at:
> > 
> > http://www.tokyomineralshow.com
> > 
> >   If you require information in English or help please
> > contact me via email.  Thank you.  
> > Best Always, Dirk Ross...Tokyo (Material Culture)
> > 
> > http://www.meteoritesjapan.com
> > http://www.insekijapan.com 
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From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Thu Nov  6 16:20:15 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 13:20:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - November 5, 2008
Message-ID: <200811062120.NAA08524@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES
November 5, 2008

o Impact Crater amid the Deuteronilus Mensae
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009654_2245

o Confluence of Valley and Crater 
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009669_1500

o Ancient Layered Rocks in Nili Fossae 
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009929_2020

o Inverted Channel and Yardangs in Aeolis Mensae
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009966_1735



All of the HiRISE images are archived here:

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/

Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is 
online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is 
managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division 
of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA 
Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed 
Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor 
and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the 
University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies 
Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument.

From midwest at meteorman.org  Thu Nov  6 19:01:35 2008
From: midwest at meteorman.org (Timothy Heitz)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 18:01:35 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] test
References: <cd7.425d36d4.36446dfa@aol.com>
Message-ID: <D72B182EFE134DAF8E6C6B84765BAEA8@den>





----- Original Message ----- 
From: <MeteorHntr at aol.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor(ite) crater discovered


So, are they afraid someone will come along and  steal the crater?

Or are they afraid someone will come along and find a  meteorite, "steal" 
it,
and ruin all their science?

I don't get  it?

Steve  #1




http://www.whitecourtstar.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1282298

Meteor  crater identified
Posted By Alexandra Pope
Posted 4 hours ago

What  local hunters in Whitecourt thought for years was a sinkhole is 
actually
the  crater left behind by a meteor that fell to earth 1,000 years ago and 
is
 now
attracting international attention from researchers.

George  VanderBurg, MLA for Whitecourt-Ste. Anne, said he was very surprised
to
learn  about the crater. He recalled going hunting with his father and using
the
site as a meeting point. Deer could often be found drinking rainwater  that
collected in the bottom of the crater, he said.

"All of us that  have grown up here have known about it, but we didn?t know 
it
was the big  scientific thing that it is," he said.

Chris Herd, a professor with the  University of Alberta?s department of 
earth
and
atmospheric sciences who is  leading the research on the meteor crater, said
he
couldn?t believe his ears  when someone from the area told him about the
crater
last year.

"We  still joke about how skeptical I was on the phone, because we literally
get
hundreds of these calls every year," Herd said in an interview at the 
crater
site last Monday. "This is very exciting."

The crater is 36  metres wide and six metres deep, which is small as far as
most
craters go,  Herd said. At an estimated 1,000 years old, it is also one of 
the
youngest  craters in the world. The second-youngest crater in Canada, 
located
 in
Quebec, is 1.2 million years old.

Herd said the meteor, which was  made primarily of iron, was probably formed
very
early in the life of the  solar system by the same process that formed the
earth?s core. Herd thinks  the meteor came from the asteroid belt and 
measured
one metre across.  However, researchers have so far found 74 different 
pieces
of
the original  meteor ? which is called a meteorite once it hits the ground ?
scattered  around the crater, some up to 70 metres away.

"The big mystery is the  relationship between the meteorites and the event,"
Herd
said.

Herd  explained that most meteors travel so fast, they are completely
vaporized
when they hit the earth. In some cases the pressure of earth?s  atmosphere
slows
a meteor down enough to leave a portion of it relatively  intact when it
lands.

But something happened to the Whitecourt meteor on  its way to earth, Herd
said.
The meteorites found around the crater have  sharp edges, which tell
researchers
a story about what might have happened to  the meteor before it hit the
ground.

"The rock was ripped apart on impact  or at a low altitude," Herd said.
"Otherwise the atmospheric pressure would  have rounded (the edges of the
meteorites)."

The site is one of only  12 of its kind in the world and has been very well
preserved, Herd  said.

"It?s a phenomenal opportunity for the research that I do," he  said.

Lindsay Blackett, Alberta minister of culture and community spirit,  said 
the
big
concern for local authorities is how to prevent meteorite  hunters from
coming to
the site and digging up meteorite  fragments.

The province will designate the site as a historic resource  and post signs
asking visitors to do their part in preserving it, but  researchers fear 
that
won?t stop some meteorite collectors from stealing  rocks.

"You really just have to count on the local community to keep an  eye on 
it,"
Blackett said. "I think people having a vested interest in this  site will
(encourage them) to keep an eye on it."

VanderBurg said once  the researchers have finished their work, the site
could be
a great  educational opportunity for the public and local students.

"This is the  kind of place that inspires kids to go out and seek careers in
science," he  said.
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From midwest at meteorman.org  Thu Nov  6 19:45:09 2008
From: midwest at meteorman.org (Timothy Heitz)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 18:45:09 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] People can now touch a piece of Mars
References: <cd7.425d36d4.36446dfa@aol.com>
Message-ID: <EC228A6DF2074340AC427B691644B631@den>

Hello List,

I finally finished a project that I have been working on for many months.

I have setup a display at the St.Louis Planetarium so people can touch a 
piece of the Red Planet Mars.
http://www.meteorman.org/Mars_LED.htm

This is the only place in the world where the public can touch another 
world.

Best,
Tim Heitz

MIDWEST METEORITES -  http://www.meteorman.org 


From dave at fallingrocks.com  Thu Nov  6 20:28:33 2008
From: dave at fallingrocks.com (Dave Gheesling)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 20:28:33 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] People can now touch a piece of Mars
In-Reply-To: <EC228A6DF2074340AC427B691644B631@den>
References: <cd7.425d36d4.36446dfa@aol.com>
	<EC228A6DF2074340AC427B691644B631@den>
Message-ID: <DCC9DE2CABFE4873B94365FAF0E34B7E@meteorroom>

Tim & All,
That's fantastic, Tim!  Any idea how many visitors that facility gets in a
year?
All best,
Dave 

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Timothy
Heitz
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 7:45 PM
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] People can now touch a piece of Mars

Hello List,

I finally finished a project that I have been working on for many months.

I have setup a display at the St.Louis Planetarium so people can touch a
piece of the Red Planet Mars.
http://www.meteorman.org/Mars_LED.htm

This is the only place in the world where the public can touch another
world.

Best,
Tim Heitz

MIDWEST METEORITES -  http://www.meteorman.org 

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From tett at rogers.com  Thu Nov  6 21:11:12 2008
From: tett at rogers.com (tett)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 21:11:12 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] People can now touch a piece of Mars
References: <cd7.425d36d4.36446dfa@aol.com>
	<EC228A6DF2074340AC427B691644B631@den>
Message-ID: <9A2C28332FFB488DB1C4597269D27CC6@tett1>

Tim,

Well done!  Your display looks wonderful and I am sure many visitors will be 
thrilled to touch Mars.

Please let us know what reactions you do get from your visitors.

Cheers!

Mike Tettenborn


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Timothy Heitz" <midwest at meteorman.org>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 7:45 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] People can now touch a piece of Mars


> Hello List,
>
> I finally finished a project that I have been working on for many months.
>
> I have setup a display at the St.Louis Planetarium so people can touch a
> piece of the Red Planet Mars.
> http://www.meteorman.org/Mars_LED.htm
>
> This is the only place in the world where the public can touch another
> world.
>
> Best,
> Tim Heitz
>
> MIDWEST METEORITES -  http://www.meteorman.org
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> 


From rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com  Thu Nov  6 21:27:50 2008
From: rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com (Rob Wesel)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 18:27:50 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] People can now touch a piece of Mars
References: <cd7.425d36d4.36446dfa@aol.com><EC228A6DF2074340AC427B691644B631@den>
	<9A2C28332FFB488DB1C4597269D27CC6@tett1>
Message-ID: <02fe01c94080$6e8dfb40$6501a8c0@windows9bb74fe>

Way cool Tim.

A generous donation for all to enjoy.

Rob Wesel
http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
------------------
We are the music makers...
and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
Willy Wonka, 1971


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "tett" <tett at rogers.com>
To: "Timothy Heitz" <midwest at meteorman.org>; 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] People can now touch a piece of Mars


> Tim,
>
> Well done!  Your display looks wonderful and I am sure many visitors will 
> be thrilled to touch Mars.
>
> Please let us know what reactions you do get from your visitors.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Mike Tettenborn
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Timothy Heitz" <midwest at meteorman.org>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 7:45 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] People can now touch a piece of Mars
>
>
>> Hello List,
>>
>> I finally finished a project that I have been working on for many months.
>>
>> I have setup a display at the St.Louis Planetarium so people can touch a
>> piece of the Red Planet Mars.
>> http://www.meteorman.org/Mars_LED.htm
>>
>> This is the only place in the world where the public can touch another
>> world.
>>
>> Best,
>> Tim Heitz
>>
>> MIDWEST METEORITES -  http://www.meteorman.org
>>
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
>
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From mccartney at blackbearddata.com  Thu Nov  6 21:56:13 2008
From: mccartney at blackbearddata.com (McCartney Taylor)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 20:56:13 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] "Is it like a heavy chunk of rust that looks like
	it was hit by bullets?"
Message-ID: <113cd828f1044fb09689af05f837cc93@ucv1.vhostdns.com>

I was asked that this morning by a hunter while I was researching an iron.

He went on to say -
"I found one like that when I was a kid.  It was heavy as hell, i found it on the gully bank where it washed out.  I left it there, just thought it was iron junk with little dents"

Last year when I interviewed his father, his father had found "half a cannon ball" when he was plowing years ago.  He pitched it along the barb wire fence line...ugg. God I hate barb wire.

Something tells me I'm in the right place...



From Impactika at aol.com  Thu Nov  6 22:13:17 2008
From: Impactika at aol.com (Impactika at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 22:13:17 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Another nice bunch of new pieces
Message-ID: <bf9.4c969411.36450c4d@aol.com>

Hello List-Members,
 
I just updated my Catalog completely, I think this time I did catch all the 
pieces already sold, and I corrected some errors, and of course I added a whole 
bunch of things and pictures. Nothing extraordinary, but then Pedernales, 
Juvinas, Wilder are not all that common. 
Go take a look:    _http://www.impactika.com/Metlist.htm_ 
(http://www.impactika.com/Metlist.htm) 

Next I'll be updating the Thin-Sections Catalog, then the Impact Glass page.
 
And then it will be time to announce all the great new pieces I will present 
in Tucson. And yes, I have been stocking up. And you won't believe The Special 
Monnig Collection Fund-Raiser I will show you in Tucson. I was stunned when 
Dr. Ehlmann told me what he had picked. Then I had to hit the books, I had 
barely heard of it.  But that will come later.
 
Go take a look at what I have now, and of course do tell me if you have any 
questions.
 
Thanks.

Anne M. Black
http://www.impactika.com/
IMPACTIKA at aol.com
Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
http://www.imca.cc/
**************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other 
Holiday needs. Search Now. 
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-aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001)

From geeg48 at msn.com  Thu Nov  6 23:49:07 2008
From: geeg48 at msn.com (GREG LINDH)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 21:49:07 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] People can now touch a piece of Mars
References: <cd7.425d36d4.36446dfa@aol.com>
	<EC228A6DF2074340AC427B691644B631@den>
Message-ID: <BLU121-DAV131CE65827B64A4CAE262C9190@phx.gbl>


    Hi Tim,

  What you've done is so cool.  It's this type of thing that will fascinate 
tens of thousands of people and will surely be the starting point for many 
new hunters and collectors.
  Absolutely outstanding, Tim!

  Greg Lindh



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Timothy Heitz" <midwest at meteorman.org>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 5:45 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] People can now touch a piece of Mars


> Hello List,
>
> I finally finished a project that I have been working on for many months.
>
> I have setup a display at the St.Louis Planetarium so people can touch a
> piece of the Red Planet Mars.
> http://www.meteorman.org/Mars_LED.htm
>
> This is the only place in the world where the public can touch another
> world.
>
> Best,
> Tim Heitz
>
> MIDWEST METEORITES -  http://www.meteorman.org
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> 

From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  7 00:21:23 2008
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 21:21:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] (AD) MICRO/MACRO METEORITE SALE
Message-ID: <631936.47738.qm@web57802.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hello list.I have put up my micro/macro pieces up forsale.16 out of the 20 pieces can be viewed on my website.17 out of the 20 pieces have provenance labels.I will pay shipping anywhere.I really want to concentrate on my sikote-alin collection which now totals over 6 kilo's in pieces.Please offlist.Thanks and have a great friday and weekend.

Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/


      

From mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com  Fri Nov  7 01:41:23 2008
From: mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com (mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com)
Date: Thu,  6 Nov 2008 22:41:23 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Collection Site Updated
Message-ID: <20081106224123.7atufaz494www8wk@webmail.mhmeteorites.com>

<http://www.mhmeteorites.com/MileHighMeteoritesEducationalCollection/>

Enjoy!
Matt Morgan

From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  7 17:34:47 2008
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 14:34:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] this day in meteorite history
Message-ID: <809064.60003.qm@web45616.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

On this day in meteorite history...

Kingia meteorite impact
On November 7, 1967 a meteorite fell in Sudan. 
The sample which apparently fell as one piece, was reported to have weighed about one pound (450 g) and is thought to have been destroyed by the locals, leaving only a fragment weighing 67.4 grams that was later classified as a H6 chondrite.
The remaining sample is now in the custody of the Geological Survey, Khar toum, Sudan.

Ensisheim meteorite impact 
On November 7, 1492 the Ensisheim meteorite fell in France. This is a very historic fall that help to prove that meteorites did indeed come from space and is the oldest known witnessed fall. 
It had an estimated weight of 150 kg before people started breaking pieces off. 
It was described in detail by the contemporary poet Sebastian Brant and the site was visited by a King Maximilian (who would later become emperor of Austria) as he led his army into battle. It was declared by his advisors to be a sign of divine grace and a presage of his victory. 
He later ordered it to be preserved in a church as evidence of a miracle where it would remain for 300 years. 
It was later moved to Colmar for study until it was returned in 1803 to the place of its impact. 
The remaining 56 kg fragment is now on display in a museum in the old city hall in Ensisheim. It was classified as a LL6.

Jeedamya meteorite find
On November 7, 1971 in the Menzies district of Western Australia a Station worker, R. Blizzard, found the stone that weighed 914 grams in a shallow depression (1 cm) in the soil.
The meteorite was later classified as a H6 chondrite and it is now in the Western Australian Museum. 



      


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Nov  7 17:35:26 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 14:35:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Could Life Have Started in a Lump of Ice?
Message-ID: <200811072235.OAA11316@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.esf.org/research-areas/physical-and-engineering-sciences/news/ext-news-singleview/article/very-cold-ice-films-in-laboratory-reveal-mysteries-of-universe-516.html

Very cold ice films in laboratory reveal mysteries of universe
Could life have started in a lump of ice?
European Science Foundation
November 5, 2008

The universe is full of water, mostly in the form of very cold ice films
deposited on interstellar dust particles, but until recently little was
known about the detailed small scale structure. Now the latest quick
freezing techniques coupled with sophisticated scanning electron
microscopy techniques, are allowing physicists to create ice films in
cold conditions similar to outer space and observe the detailed
molecular organisation, yielding clues to fundamental questions
including possibly the origin of life. Researchers have been surprised
by some of the results, not least by the sheer beauty of some of the
images created, according to Julyan Cartwright, a specialist in ice
structures at the Andalusian Institute for Earth Sciences (IACT) of the
Spanish Research Council (CSIC) and the University of Granada in Spain.

Recent discoveries about the structure of ice films in astrophysical
conditions at the mesoscale, which is the size just above the molecular
level, were discussed at a recent workshop organised by the European
Science Foundation (ESF) and co-chaired by Cartwright alongside C.
Ignacio Sainz-Diaz, also from the IACT. As Cartwright noted, many of the
discoveries about ice structures at low temperatures were made possible
by earlier research into industrial applications involving deposits of
thin films upon an underlying substrate  (ie the surface, such as a
rock, to which the film is attached), such as manufacture of ceramics
and semiconductors. In turn the study of ice films could lead to
insights of value in such industrial applications.

But the ESF workshop???s main focus was on ice in space, usually formed at
temperatures far lower than even the coldest places on earth, between 3
and 90 degrees above absolute zero (3-90K). Most of the ice is on dust
grains because there are so many of them, but some ice is on larger
bodies such as asteroids, comets, cold moons or planets, and
occasionally planets capable of supporting life such as Earth.  At low
temperatures, ice can form different structures at the mesoscale than
under terrestrial conditions, and in some cases can be amorphous in
form, that is like a glass with the molecules in effect frozen in space,
rather than as crystals. For ice to be amorphous, water has to be cooled
to its glass transition temperature of about 130 K without ice crystals
having formed first.  To do this in the laboratory requires rapid
cooling, which Cartwright and colleagues achieved in their work with a
helium "cold finger" incorporated in a scanning electron microscope to
take the images.

As Cartwright observed, ice can exist in a combination of crystalline
and amorphous forms, in other words as a mixture of order and disorder,
with many variants depending on the temperature at which freezing
actually occurred. In his latest work, Cartwright and colleagues have
shown that ice at the mesoscale comprises all sorts of different
characteristic shapes associated with the temperature and pressure of
freezing, also depending on the surface properties of the substrate. 
For example when formed on a titanium substrate at the very low
temperature of 6K, ice has a characteristic cauliflower structure.

Most intriguingly, ice under certain conditions produces biomimetic
forms, meaning that they appear life like, with shapes like palm leaves
or worms, or even at a smaller scale like bacteria. This led Cartwright
to point out that researchers should not assume that lifelike forms in
objects obtained from space, like Mars rock, is evidence that life
actually existed there. "If one goes to another planet and sees small
wormlike or palm like structures, one should not immediately call a
press conference announcing alien life has been found," said Cartwright.
On the other hand the existence of lifelike biomimetic structures in ice
suggests that nature may well have copied physics. It is even possible
that while ice is too cold to support most life as we know it, it may
have provided a suitable internal environment for prebiotic life to have
emerged.

"It is clear that biology does use physics," said Cartwright.  "Indeed,
how could it not do? So we shouldn't be surprised to see that sometimes
biological structures clearly make use of simple physical principles.
Then, going back in time, it seems reasonable to posit that when life
first emerged, it would have been using as a container something much
simpler than today's cell membrane, probably some sort of simple vesicle
of the sort found in soap bubbles. This sort of vesicle can be found in
abiotic systems today, both in hot conditions, in the chemistry
associated with 'black smokers' on the sea floor, which is currently
favoured as a possible origin of life, but also in the chemistry of sea
ice."

This is an intriguing idea that will be explored further in projects
spawned by the ESF workshop. This may provide a new twist to the idea
that life arrived from space. It may be that the precursors of life came
from space, but that the actual carbon based biochemistry of all
organisms on Earth evolved on this planet.

The workshop, Euroice2008 was held in Granada, Spain in October 2008

For more infomration please click here
<http://www.esf.org/activities/exploratory-workshops/workshops-list/workshops-detail.html?ew=6488>



From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Nov  7 17:39:13 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 14:39:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: November 3-7, 2008
Message-ID: <200811072239.OAA12628@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES
November 3-7, 2008

o Dunes and Channel (Released 03 November 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20081103a

o Crater Dunes (Released 04 November 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20081104a

o Crater Dunes (Released 05 November 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20081105a

o Delta (Released 06 November 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20081106a

o Dust Devil Tracks (Released 07 November 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20081107a


All of the THEMIS images are archived here:

http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html

NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission 
for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission 
Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University,
Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. 
The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State 
University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor 
for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission 
operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a 
division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. 




From mstreman53 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  7 18:42:21 2008
From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 15:42:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Unusual new lunar or hokum? Lunarite ages?
In-Reply-To: <160979.56913.qm@web55206.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <860445.32716.qm@web55202.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

=On Mon, 11/3/08, Mr EMan <mstreman53 at yahoo.com> wrote:
...so unless you can underpin your claims with something such as an absolute formation age from 100,000 to 300,000 to 4.3? billion years...

In further reading, I am unable to locate lunar crystallization ages  but they allude to 4.2 and 3.9 billion years.  Plus one had an extremely young Lunar find in Africa with an orbital age of " a few hundred years" but no details.

Anyone have  table of lunar absolute, orbital, and terrestrial ages?

Elton

From midwest at meteorman.org  Fri Nov  7 19:06:55 2008
From: midwest at meteorman.org (Timothy Heitz)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:06:55 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] People can now touch Mars - 1.2 milloin visitors
References: <cd7.425d36d4.36446dfa@aol.com>
	<EC228A6DF2074340AC427B691644B631@den>
Message-ID: <B54C586A10594D5F836A15A3BBD5F2C7@den>


Hello List,

I forgot to add that the St. Louis Planetarium is rated the 4th best in the 
country and has 1.2 million visitors per year.

http://www.meteorman.org/Mars_LED.htm

Best,
Tim


MIDWEST METEORITES -  http://www.meteorman.org







----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Timothy Heitz" <midwest at meteorman.org>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 6:45 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] People can now touch a piece of Mars


Hello List,

I finally finished a project that I have been working on for many months.

I have setup a display at the St.Louis Planetarium so people can touch a
piece of the Red Planet Mars.
http://www.meteorman.org/Mars_LED.htm

This is the only place in the world where the public can touch another
world.

Best,
Tim Heitz

MIDWEST METEORITES -  http://www.meteorman.org

______________________________________________
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Meteorite-list mailing list
Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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From mfcollecter at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  7 19:23:29 2008
From: mfcollecter at yahoo.com (Said Haddany)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 16:23:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD:small individuals of "Ergshesh" Mali for sale
Message-ID: <272906.17322.qm@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi List,
The last small bunch of "Ergshesh" Mali is for sale now ..
Photos and pricing are on request off list .

? Said Haddany


      

From paul at meteorite.com  Fri Nov  7 22:23:37 2008
From: paul at meteorite.com (Paul Harris)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:23:37 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] November Meteorite-Times is now up
Message-ID: <49150639.4010308@meteorite.com>

Dear List,

The November issue of Meteorite-Times is now up.
http://www.meteorite-times.com/

Enjoy,

Paul and Jim


From grf2 at verizon.net  Fri Nov  7 23:10:50 2008
From: grf2 at verizon.net (Jerry Flaherty)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 23:10:50 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] this day in meteorite history
References: <809064.60003.qm@web45616.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AB5E9367E0924E57A20157066A948DE4@ASUS>

It's special for me to share Ensisheim's birthday!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Catterton" <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:34 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] this day in meteorite history


> On this day in meteorite history...
>
> Kingia meteorite impact
> On November 7, 1967 a meteorite fell in Sudan.
> The sample which apparently fell as one piece, was reported to have 
> weighed about one pound (450 g) and is thought to have been destroyed by 
> the locals, leaving only a fragment weighing 67.4 grams that was later 
> classified as a H6 chondrite.
> The remaining sample is now in the custody of the Geological Survey, Khar 
> toum, Sudan.
>
> Ensisheim meteorite impact
> On November 7, 1492 the Ensisheim meteorite fell in France. This is a very 
> historic fall that help to prove that meteorites did indeed come from 
> space and is the oldest known witnessed fall.
> It had an estimated weight of 150 kg before people started breaking pieces 
> off.
> It was described in detail by the contemporary poet Sebastian Brant and 
> the site was visited by a King Maximilian (who would later become emperor 
> of Austria) as he led his army into battle. It was declared by his 
> advisors to be a sign of divine grace and a presage of his victory.
> He later ordered it to be preserved in a church as evidence of a miracle 
> where it would remain for 300 years.
> It was later moved to Colmar for study until it was returned in 1803 to 
> the place of its impact.
> The remaining 56 kg fragment is now on display in a museum in the old city 
> hall in Ensisheim. It was classified as a LL6.
>
> Jeedamya meteorite find
> On November 7, 1971 in the Menzies district of Western Australia a Station 
> worker, R. Blizzard, found the stone that weighed 914 grams in a shallow 
> depression (1 cm) in the soil.
> The meteorite was later classified as a H6 chondrite and it is now in the 
> Western Australian Museum.
>
>
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list 


From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  8 07:54:46 2008
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 04:54:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] new meteorites to collection
Message-ID: <427095.52715.qm@web57808.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Good morning list.Its another weekend and I just completed my first week on my new job and already got paid.GREAT FEELING!I just added 4 pictures of three new meteorites to my collection.The first one is an 18 gram sikote-alin spiltting in 2 right down the middle.Looks like water wings.The 2nd one is a 299 gram campo with a huge hole right in the middle.You could pass a silver dollar thru it.The 3rd one is a beauty.A 70 gram endcut of a new (in classification) type 3 specimen.A chondrule galaxy.A superb piece.View at you liesure on my homepage of my website.Tuscon is right around the corner.WHO'S GOING??? Have a great all!

Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/


      

From almitt at kconline.com  Sat Nov  8 10:42:15 2008
From: almitt at kconline.com (al mitterling)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 10:42:15 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] this day in meteorite history
In-Reply-To: <AB5E9367E0924E57A20157066A948DE4@ASUS>
References: <809064.60003.qm@web45616.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<AB5E9367E0924E57A20157066A948DE4@ASUS>
Message-ID: <36F75DE975B846E8A8A592452C9D53F7@StarmanPC>

Greetings All,

At the time of the Ensisheim meteorite fall it was actually considered 
supernatural and a miracle of God as nothing has been seen like this before. 
It was chained down so as to keep it from leaving in the same manor it had 
came.

The beginning of acceptance of meteorites were from the time of Peter 
Pallas, Ernst Chladni, Edward Howard and Jean Baptiste Biot.

In 1794, Chladni published a German paper on the Pallas Iron suggesting it 
came from outside of the Earth's confines and other specimens like it, 
including stony material. He suggested these were coming from outer space. 
He was ridiculed by the scientific community of that time until several 
falls with so many witnesses that it began to have some credibility to it. 
The L'Aigle, France fall was one of these. A young scientist Jean-Baptist 
Biot, was sent to investigate. He found that so many of the witnessed 
reports told of the same thing and in such exacting detail that the 
phenomena must be true. Wold Cottage which fell late in 1795 and another 
Italian fall also secured believe in the nature of meteorite falls and 
origins. Certainly the Ensisheim Fall added credibility to meteorites coming 
from space but was not widely witnessed.

Most people of the era before simply thought that stones falling from the 
sky were simply a terrestrial phenomena and called them thunderstones or had 
some supernatural meaning.

Best!

--AL Mitterling



----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Greg Catterton" <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:34 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] this day in meteorite history

> On this day in meteorite history...

Ensisheim meteorite impact
On November 7, 1492 the Ensisheim meteorite fell in France. This is a very 
historic fall that help to prove that meteorites did indeed come from space 
and is the oldest known witnessed fall.



From yellowengine at earthlink.net  Sat Nov  8 12:20:51 2008
From: yellowengine at earthlink.net (RJP)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 11:20:51 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Millbillillie Stone
Message-ID: <12660805.1226164851863.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Good afternoon, 

I have a lovely 212g individual complete with regmaglyps, glossy black fusion crust, and just enough staining, which adds to it's aesthetic qualities. $3180, OBO. All offers will be carefully considered. 

Please email for photos if interested. Paypal accepted for those who wish to go that route. 

Cheers,

Ryan Pawelski 

From p.marmet at sunrise.ch  Sat Nov  8 14:45:54 2008
From: p.marmet at sunrise.ch (Peter Marmet)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 20:45:54 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - ebay auctions ending in about one day!
Message-ID: <871799a20811081145t2683a262t8cdc7713203a1741@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

I have 15 ebay auctions ending in about one day:

Historic meteorites (Queen's Mercy, Jackalsfontein, Siena, Vigarano,
Luotolax, Tarbagatai, Nakhla, Ella Island,...)

and great NWA's.


 http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZpema9


Thank you,
Peter

Peter Marmet
Bern, Switzerland
IMCA #2747
p.marmet at mysunrise.ch
http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/
ebay: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZpema9

From fuzzfoot at comcast.net  Sat Nov  8 15:28:53 2008
From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:28:53 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Auctions - Cali, Olivine Diogenite, and more
Message-ID: <20081108202904.0AAF310534@mailwash5.pair.com>

It's been a while since I've done eBay auctions, so here's a few 'extras'
that are ready for a new home:

http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/astroartifacts

Cali, Colombia - a nice piece that you can actually see and enjoy.
NWA 1459 - The Hupe's beautiful olivine diogenite. Low TKW, crazy surface to
weight ratio!
Cangas de Onis (micro)
Wray B
Hope Creek
Great Sand Sea 007, Egypt
And a few more...

Thanks for looking!

Mike Bandli




From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  8 16:14:52 2008
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 13:14:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] FREEBIES GALORE (AD)
Message-ID: <223129.90753.qm@web57801.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi again list.Thanks again to all who emailed me on the new pieces I am getting.I have 1 more round of freebies going to good homes."USA" only.Postage is on me,that is why it is usa only.Postage is getting to be to much.So here goes:1) nwa 4716 10.6 gram slice,2)nwa 5395 3.5 gram fragment,3)toluca (b) 3 gram endcut,4)edmond,ks.3 gram slice,5) aldama (b)6.6 gram fragment,and finally 6) gao (b) 9.4 gram slice, 7) gaylord,ks 1.4 gram partslice.I know I said,no more but this just came up at the last minute.Its fun to giveaway!I hope they make it to good homes.Chime in fast,'cause they go fast.I will be gone for 5 hours,so whomever has the first 7 emails,theye will get them.

Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/


      

From info at niger-meteorite-recon.de  Sat Nov  8 16:25:07 2008
From: info at niger-meteorite-recon.de (Dr. Svend Buhl)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:25:07 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Russian irons totalling 6.4kg ending Sunday noon -
	AD
References: <72218.12709.qm@web45608.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <008601c941e8$7990f150$6501a8c0@HOME>

I wouldn't mind keeping them, but if you want to take a bid I won't stop you 
either ...

http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/werffroenne

thanks for your interest & have a great weekend

Svend

www.meteorite-recon.com



From desam07 at hotmail.com  Sat Nov  8 17:36:21 2008
From: desam07 at hotmail.com (HANS D.)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:36:21 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] This looks like a meteorite??
Message-ID: <BAY126-W6973FC2A21C5C7E5037C9B6180@phx.gbl>


Hi list! I have a mexican friend in Coahuila, he found this piece in a montains and is magnetic also, can somebody tell if look like a meteorite to take a next step?, thanks!
 
Picture here: http://tinypic.com/useralbum.php?ua=6TFS2JzfobkUSTSphFc1Mg%3D%3D
 
Also I have 4 nice Muonionalustas for sale, any decent offer??
 
1- 8240 grams, size aprox. 7.75" x 6" x 2.9"
 
2- 2040 grams, size aprox. 5.7" x 4.07" x 1.61"
 
3- 4520 grams, size aprox. 5.13" x 4.75" x 3.41"
 
4- 4660 grams, size aprox. 7" x 4.25" x 3.35"
 
Pictures here: http://tinypic.com/useralbum.php?ua=6TFS2Jzfobkhn63u5AkNFg%3D%3D
 
Thanks!!                           Hans (desam07 at hotmail.com)
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From mark at meteorites.cc  Sat Nov  8 17:54:35 2008
From: mark at meteorites.cc (Mark Crawford)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:54:35 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] 2008 TC3 image
Message-ID: <491618AB.4040001@meteorites.cc>

A picture of the train left behind by the above asteroid appears to have 
come to light:

http://tinyurl.com/6bn4tq

More details at today's http://www.spaceweather.com

Mark
*
*

-- 
Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc


From info at meteorites.com.au  Sat Nov  8 18:53:46 2008
From: info at meteorites.com.au (Jeff Kuyken)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 10:53:46 +1100
Subject: [meteorite-list] 2008 TC3 image
In-Reply-To: <491618AB.4040001@meteorites.cc>
References: <491618AB.4040001@meteorites.cc>
Message-ID: <A23D28F04643492EA18CA1B53D7EDD2F@JeffPC>

Interesting... reminds me of some of the pics I've seen from US minuteman 
missile launches. Looks like two trails. Hmmmmm...

http://www.freqofnature.com/photos/mmii1014/index.html
http://www.rain.org/~mkummel/stumpers/27sep02a.html
http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site557/2006/0712/20060712__news01missile0713.jpg
http://www.orbwar.com/light/NMD-Oct-14-2002--0021.jpg
http://www.drsky.com/img/nmcontrail.jpg
http://www.pixelmap.com/images/Scenic/sunsets/sl_sunset_07a.jpg

Cheers,

Jeff


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Crawford" <mark at meteorites.cc>
To: "Meteorite List `" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 9:54 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] 2008 TC3 image


>A picture of the train left behind by the above asteroid appears to have 
>come to light:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6bn4tq
>
> More details at today's http://www.spaceweather.com
>
> Mark
> *
> *
>
> -- 
> Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc
>
> ______________________________________________
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> 


From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  8 20:43:39 2008
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:43:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Whitecourt crater
Message-ID: <875083.13591.qm@web36906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi everyone - 

36m diameter by 6 meters deep? I wonder what this means in explosive force.
Anyone have the Sikote Ailin numbers at hand? 

Speaking of distribution, I suspect that the fragments must have dispersed over a wide area. Again, Sikote Ailin numbers for comparison would be handy.

One puzzling aspect is the impact glasses they mention. I don't remember ever seeing any glasses from SA, so I'm wondering if their airburst hypothesis is correct. Perhaps the glasses they found came from a different impact.

I didn't go that far north in my book, so I'm wondering who was around that area in 880-990 CE. 

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas


      

From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  8 20:50:38 2008
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:50:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] this day in meteorite history
Message-ID: <501006.53983.qm@web45607.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

This day in meteorite history...

[b]Orlando meteorite impact[/b]
On Monday, November 8, 2004, around 6:15 pm in Orange County, Florida, Ms. Donna Shuford was startled by the noise of something hitting the side of her house. She discovered that something had hit the top of her car and ricocheted onto the side of her house. A single ~180 g stone that had fragmented on impact was found.
It was later classififed as an Achondrite (eucrite, monomict).

New Halfa meteorite impact
On November 8, 1994 around 5:30 local time in Atbara Province, Kassala, Sudan a L4 chondrite fell.
The fall occurred near village No. 9, 15 km NE of New Halfa and was witnessed by Khalil Mohamed Khalil and Ibrahim Hamed from this village. Seven larger specimens, ranging from 5 kg to 100 g, and many small ones were collected by the Geological Research Authority of the Sudan. The total recovered mass was ~12 kg.  
The main mass is located at the Geological Research Authority of the Sudan, Kharthoum.

Wethersfield meteorite impact
On November 8, 1982 around 9:14 pm in Wethersfield, Connecticut  a mass of 2704 g and about 52 g of fragments were recovered after falling through the roof of a house following a fireball and thunder-like booms.
The meteorite was later classified as a L6 chondrite.


      


From mark at meteorites.cc  Sun Nov  9 07:19:00 2008
From: mark at meteorites.cc (Mark Crawford)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 12:19:00 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] "What did I see"?
Message-ID: <4916D534.2010502@meteorites.cc>

I got a note today from someone in N Texas who reckons she saw four 
fireballs last night. I'm sure list folks have had many such emails over 
the years.

Rather than try to list all the possible things that it might/might not 
have been, does anyone have a link to a site with beginners' guide to 
this kind of thing? I mean something that characterises how to tell 
meteorites from planes, iridium flares, chines lanterns, aircraft, etc.

Mark

-- 
Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc


From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  9 10:48:50 2008
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 07:48:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] thanks to all who responded
Message-ID: <318824.85802.qm@web57807.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi again all.I just want to say thanks to who all replied to my freebies.I still have 3 left.Email offlist if interested and I will tell you what they are.Please again like yesterday,USA only.Postage rates are just bad outside of of usa.

Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/


      

From sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  9 11:08:15 2008
From: sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com (Steve Dunklee)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 08:08:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] "What did I see"?
In-Reply-To: <4916D534.2010502@meteorites.cc>
Message-ID: <356284.42251.qm@web33202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Heavens above webpage.
http://www.heavens-above.com/

Have a great day!
Steve


--- On Sun, 11/9/08, Mark Crawford <mark at meteorites.cc> wrote:

> From: Mark Crawford <mark at meteorites.cc>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] "What did I see"?
> To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 6:19 AM
> I got a note today from someone in N Texas who reckons she
> saw four fireballs last night. I'm sure list folks have
> had many such emails over the years.
> 
> Rather than try to list all the possible things that it
> might/might not have been, does anyone have a link to a site
> with beginners' guide to this kind of thing? I mean
> something that characterises how to tell meteorites from
> planes, iridium flares, chines lanterns, aircraft, etc.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc
> 
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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From mlblood at cox.net  Sun Nov  9 12:24:51 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 09:24:51 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rumurutite, D'Orbigny, Zunhua AD
In-Reply-To: <4916D534.2010502@meteorites.cc>
Message-ID: <C53C5CE3.1BC5B%mlblood@cox.net>

Some very sween specimens - worthy of viewing even if
You are not interested in buying:
Superb Rumurutite with a weathering grade of "0"
Some very nice D'Orbigny, including two small pieces with FC
A nice, big Zunhua frag

If you can not click- to or copy past to these photos, email me off list
And I will email you photos of the piece(s) in which you are interested.

See all photos at:
http://entertainment.webshots.com/album/568437296wAbkoN
 
NWA 5469 (R5) S4 W0
RUMURUTITE (R) The rarest of meteoritic material (and always weathered)
Purchased in Morocco 2008
Tkw 958g - 1 whole stone (ONLY 2 slices left)
 
This is the freshest Rumerutite in the world with a weathering grade of "0."
It is spectacular and has ALL been sliced in whole slices and sold into
private collections or institutions with
these 2 slices being the only remaining available material in the world. (I
sold 2 Slices to Az. State U. in Tempe, which is
the US institution that got 1/3rd of the Nininger Collection) Available at
only $200/g ? on SALE only once at under 50% off!
 
Either of these slices would be one of the "High Points" in
any collection in the world.
 
24.735g (64 x 58 x 2.3mm) = $4,975- SALE = $2,400
14.357g (64 x 51 x 1.6mm) = $2,875- SALE = $1,400
 
See all photos at:
http://entertainment.webshots.com/album/568437296wAbkoN
 
D'Orbigny (Angrite) $750/g SALE over 50% off!
 
1.094g = $820- SALE    = $400-
.348g = $260- SALE = $125-
.294g = $220- SALE = $100-
.196g WITH FC = $200- SALE = $100
.150g WITH FC = $150- SALE = $75
 
See all photos at:
http://entertainment.webshots.com/album/568437296wAbkoN
 
Zunhua   Fell through the roof of a home April 12, 2008   in Zunhua
City,Hebei province, China (note, though the photo looks like it has FC, it
does not). 
21.09g outstanding specimen =
Sells for $250/g, even in China. Contact me for sale price of
this fine specimen.








From geoking at notkin.net  Sun Nov  9 13:06:31 2008
From: geoking at notkin.net (Notkin)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 11:06:31 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] New Meteorite Column on Geology.com
Message-ID: <590D99B1-AFD7-46EE-9816-45E119DDF2CD@notkin.net>

Dear Listees:

The new edition of my monthly column, "Meteorwritings," has been  
online at Geology.com for a few days.

This month's installment is about meteorite identification. The aim of  
this column is to introduce a wider geology and science audience to  
meteorites and meteorite collecting, so the content is entry-level,  
and will be old hat to most of you pros  : )  However, in the months  
to come we'll be tacking some more complex and esoteric subjects. But  
I think you'll like the photos -- all-original pictures taken  
especially to accompany the article:

http://geology.com

-- or -- 

http://geology.com/meteorites/meteorite-identification.shtml


The lead photo is of a stellar Bassikounou individual which I acquired  
from our admirable colleague Dr. Svend Buhl. Thanks Svend!  : )


All the best from Tucson,

Geoff N.

www.aerolite.org
www.campometeorites.com

From geoking at notkin.net  Sun Nov  9 13:14:17 2008
From: geoking at notkin.net (Notkin)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 11:14:17 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] [AD] eBay Closing Tonight: Norton County, Carancas,
	Henbury, etc.
Message-ID: <48FC4629-D3E1-49F2-8950-63E6A3675182@notkin.net>

Dear Listees:

I have a few meteorite auctions ending tonight, Sunday, around 5 pm  
Pacific Time.

Of note is a small Norton County aubrite fragment, accompanied by an  
exclusive photo of the main mass. While working with UNM at  
Albuquerque on their meteorite museum project, I had the privilege of  
removing the perspex cover from the main mass of Norton County and  
photographing it, au natural. You can see a picture of it, in all its  
glory here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170272282193


Also on the block: Carancas, Henbury, Mundrablilla, a nice moldavite  
and other assorted bits of cosmic debris.


As always our meteorite auctions are NO RESERVE.


All items up for auction can be seen here:

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQsassZaerolitemeteorites



Instant recap with photos live and direct from Meteorite.com:

http://www.meteorite.com/meteorite-dealers/dealer-listings/aerolite.htm


Thanks for looking and all the best from The Baked Apple,


Geoff N.
www.aerolite.org
www.campometeorites.com

From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  9 14:10:22 2008
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 11:10:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] This day in meteorite history...
Message-ID: <924751.47691.qm@web45614.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

This day in meteorite history... 

Dhofar 735 find 
Two stones weighing 304 g and 77 g were found on November 9, 2002 in the Dhofar region of Oman. The meteorite was later classified as a CM2 Carbonaceous chondrite. 

Dhofar 730 find 
A light-grey stone weighing 108 g was found in the Dhofar region of Oman on November 9, 2002. It was later classified as a Lunar anorthositic impact melt breccia meteorite. 


http://www.hostingphpbb.com/forum/index.php?mforum=wwwmeteoritesto


      


From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Sun Nov  9 14:45:40 2008
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda at ntlworld.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 19:45:40 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] "What did I see"?
Message-ID: <20081109194540.SFHD19264.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@smtp.ntlworld.com>

Hi Mark,

My wife and sister reported a fireball last night which split into two and lit up the whole sky...my thoughts are that they are just from the Taurid meteor shower...I have seen many at this time of year and they can be quite spectacular compared to they usual meteors folks see...and they get slightly exaggerated.

Graham Ensor, UK
> 
> From: Mark Crawford <mark at meteorites.cc>
> Date: 2008/11/09 Sun PM 12:19:00 GMT
> To: Meteorite List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] "What did I see"?
> 
> I got a note today from someone in N Texas who reckons she saw four 
> fireballs last night. I'm sure list folks have had many such emails over 
> the years.
> 
> Rather than try to list all the possible things that it might/might not 
> have been, does anyone have a link to a site with beginners' guide to 
> this kind of thing? I mean something that characterises how to tell 
> meteorites from planes, iridium flares, chines lanterns, aircraft, etc.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -- 
> Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc
> 
> ______________________________________________
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From marie.m.osterberg at telia.com  Mon Nov 10 11:39:48 2008
From: marie.m.osterberg at telia.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Thomas_=D6sterberg?=)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:39:48 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Large bolide sighted in nothern Sweden
Message-ID: <D15ED70BF3444C3AA8B1141F5245A4D4@thomaslemjmqar>

Dear List members,

According to local newspapers and regional radio service, a large bolide 
crossed the sky, coming from east and rapidly moving towards west, over the 
nothern part of Sweden some days ago. The event took place late Saturday 
evening, at about 10.45 PM, local time.



One witness told a reporter, that "the sky became brighter than a sunny 
day", when the meteoroid crossed the sky over him.



Also, according to blogs in the local newspapers, many witnesses have heard 
loud noises, like explosions, over a large area around the town Kiruna.  A 
woman was almost sure that she had seen a fragment falling just outside her 
house.

Observations of the bolide has dropped in from all part of northern Sweden, 
from about 1000 km south of Kiruna and northwards. Reports of this event has 
also been noted from northern Norway.

Attempts will be made to calculate the orbit, by processing data collected 
from the network of infra sound microphones in northern Sweden.



Adding a link to one of the articles, published today. Unfortunately in 
Swedish, but you may be able to translate it using Babel fish.



http://www.kuriren.nu/nyheter/artikel.aspx?articleid=4338300



Good luck!



Thomas ?sterberg





From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 10 12:48:53 2008
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:48:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] So any definitive word on Rocks From Space POD and
	Michael Johnson?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.27.1226336488.86718.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <508224.22509.qm@web58401.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi folks,

Please forgive me if the answer to this has already been posted and I missed it.

Did anyone ever find out what happened to Michael Johnson and his Rocks from Space Picture of the Day?

Regards,

MikeG

.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
..........................................................


      

From STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com  Mon Nov 10 13:01:55 2008
From: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com (STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:01:55 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] So any definitive word on Rocks From Space POD
	and Micha...
Message-ID: <c6d.3b15bfef.3649d113@aol.com>

Hi Mike,  You didn't miss it as far as I  know.  We all are wondering.  The 
RFS Calendar is down as well.  

Tom

In a message dated 11/10/2008 10:49:23 A.M. Mountain Standard  Time, 
michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com writes:
Hi folks,

Please forgive me  if the answer to this has already been posted and I missed 
it.

Did anyone  ever find out what happened to Michael Johnson and his Rocks from 
Space Picture  of the  Day?

Regards,

MikeG

.........................................................
Michael  Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the  Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and  http://www.glassthrower.com
MySpace -  http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
..........................................................



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From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Mon Nov 10 13:25:02 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:25:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rovers Update - October 15-29,
	2008
Message-ID: <200811101825.KAA12340@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html#spirit

SPIRIT UPDATE:  Spirit Begins Driving Uphill - sol 1709-1715, 
October 23-29, 2008:

With the Sun moving higher in the sky, Spirit's solar panels must move
in the same direction to maximize their exposure to sunlight. To achieve
optimal solar input, the panels still must tilt to the north, but not as
steeply as before. To change the tilt, rover drivers have begun moving
Spirit back upslope toward the top of "Home Plate." Their goal is to
reduce the rover's northerly tilt from 30 degrees to 20 degrees.

The change in tilt is vital, as Spirit is seeing the lowest energy
levels of the mission. On Martian day, or sol, 1713 (Oct. 27, 2008),
solar-array energy dropped to 207 watt-hours (that's enough energy to
light a 100-watt bulb for slightly longer than two hours). The drop in
energy was partly due to an increase in atmospheric dust believed to be
related to distant dust storm activity. The same day, dust-related loss
of visibility, known as Tau, reached a high of 0.69 before dropping to
0.60 on sol 1715 (Oct. 29, 2008).

Because of the limited solar energy, the energy used for driving comes,
in part, from the rover's batteries. As solar energy improves, Spirit
will have to dip less into the batteries for driving. Fortunately,
temperatures are warmer now than in the depths of winter. As a result,
the dip in battery reserves is not nearly as great as it would have been
if Spirit also required more battery power for heating.

So far, rover drivers are pleased with Spirit's progress. The rover
completed three upslope drives to achieve a northerly tilt of 21.8
degrees. Rover operators hope that a couple more budges will give Spirit
a northward tilt of 20 degrees.

Eventually, if Spirit can drive all the way back on top of Home Plate,
the rover will save a significant amount of time while heading out on
the next science campaign. If necessary, Spirit still has the option of
driving downslope.

Spirit is healthy, with all subsystems performing as expected as of sol
1715 (Oct. 29, 2008).

Sol-by-sol summary

In addition to measuring dust-related changes in atmospheric clarity
each day with the panoramic camera and relaying data to Earth each
evening via NASA's Odyssey orbiter, Spirit completed the following
activities:

Sol 1709 (Oct. 23, 2008): Spirit checked for drift (changes with time)
in the miniature thermal emission spectrometer and surveyed the sky and
ground with the instrument. Spirit then began inching uphill, and after
the drive, took a single-frame image to document progress with the
navigation camera.

Sol 1710: Spirit surveyed the horizon with the panoramic camera, drove,
and acquired images with the hazard-avoidance cameras as well as a
quarter-frame image of the spacecraft deck with the panoramic camera.

Sol 1711: Spirit checked for drift (changes with time) in the miniature
thermal emission spectrometer and completed a mini-survey of the sky and
ground with the instrument.

Sol 1712: Spirit monitored dust on the panoramic-camera mast assembly
and recharged the batteries..

Sol 1713: Spirit checked for drift (changes with time) in the miniature
thermal emission spectrometer and completed a mini-survey of the sky and
ground with the instrument. Spirit drove a bit farther upslope.

Sol 1714: Spirit acquired a single-frame, post-drive image with the
navigation camera as well as images with the hazard-avoidance cameras.

Sol 1715 (Oct. 29, 2008): Spirit checked for drift (changes with time)
in the miniature thermal emission spectrometer and completed a
mini-survey of the sky and ground with the instrument. The rover then
calibrated the spectrometer and began inching upslope again. After the
drive, Spirit took a single-frame image with the navigation camera as
well as images with the hazard avoidance cameras.

Odometry:

As of sol 1715 (Oct. 29, 2008), Spirit's total odometry remained at
7,528.42 meters (4.68 miles).

------------------------------------------------------------------------

OPPORTUNITY UPDATE:  Farewell, Victoria, and on to Endeavour! - 
sol 1681-1687, October 15-21, 2008:

Opportunity took the last images of "Victoria Crater" before beginning
the journey to Endeavour Crater. The final focus of the rover's cameras
was a cliff at the edge of Victoria nicknamed "Cape Victory." After
spending more than two years investigating this spectacular crater,
Opportunity took parting images as Victoria disappeared into the
distance. The rover first arrived at the rim of Victoria on sol 952
(September 28, 2006), at the top of a sloping alcove known as "Duck Bay."

Opportunity has made good progress, driving more than 314 meters (1,030
feet)! Near the end of that leg of the journey, Opportunity began to see
small ripples about 10 centimeters (4 inches) high.

Opportunity completed work on images of the miniature thermal emission
spectrometer after the shake test performed on Sol 1680 (Oct. 14, 2008).
That's when the rover shook the instrument's pointing mirror for 3
seconds to try to shake dust off the mirror. In the end, images did not
show a measurable improvement, but rover planners aim to try again in
the near future.

Other remote sensing highlights for the week included panoramic-camera
imaging of some boulder tracks within Victoria, along with the usual
observations of the sky, clouds, atmospheric dust, and dust accumulation
on the rover itself.

Opportunity is healthy, with all subsystems performing as expected as of
Martian day, or sol, 1687 (Oct. 22, 2008). Power has been averaging 589
watt-hours during the past week (100 watt-hours is the amount of energy
needed to light a 100-watt bulb for one hour.) This is a slight decrease
from the week before and is the result of slightly elevated dust levels
in the atmosphere and a change in the orientation of Opportunity's solar
panels.

Sol-by-sol summary

In addition to measuring daily, dust-related changes in atmospheric
clarity with the panoramic camera and sending regular updates to Earth
by relaying data to NASA's Odyssey orbiter, Opportunity completed the
following activities:

Sol 1681 (Oct. 15, 2008): Opportunity acquired images of boulder tracks
inside Victoria Crater and surveyed the sky at high Sun with the
panoramic camera. The rover checked for drift (changes with time) in the
miniature thermal emission spectrometer, conducted a utility test of the
instrument as well as a post-shake test calibration of observations of
the ground and sky.

Sol 1682: In the morning, Opportunity used the panoramic camera to take
super-resolution images of Cape Victory, a 3-by-1 panel of frames of the
area around Cape Victory, and thumbnail images of the sky for
calibration purposes. The rover searched for morning clouds with the
navigation camera. Before driving, Opportunity took a 3-by-1 panel of
panoramic-camera images of a target known as "Iceland," then moved a
short distance for a long-baseline, stereo panorama. Opportunity
acquired post-drive images with the panoramic and navigation cameras,
including a 7-by-1 panel of rearward-looking images.

Sol 1683: In the morning, Opportunity took spot images of the sky for
calibration purposes and surveyed the horizon with the panoramic camera.
The rover then acquired part 2 of the long-baseline, stereo panorama
begun the day before. Opportunity acquired post-drive images with the
panoramic and navigation cameras.

Sol 1684: Opportunity took thumbnail images of the sky with the
panoramic camera in the morning. The rover measured argon gas in the
Martian atmosphere with the alpha-particle X-ray spectrometer.

Sol 1685: Opportunity began the day by surveying the horizon with the
panoramic camera and searching for morning clouds with the navigation
camera. At midday, Opportunity took images measuring albedo (surface
reflectivity) with the panoramic camera.

Sol 1686: Opportunity took morning, spot images of the sky and
full-color, systematic, foreground images with the panoramic camera.
Opportunity completed the day's drive and performed a "get quick fine
attitude" to determine the rover's precise position relative to the Sun.
After the drive, Opportunity acquired image mosaics with the navigation
and panoramic cameras.

Sol 1687 (Oct. 21, 2008): Opportunity started the day by surveying the
horizon with panoramic camera, searching for clouds with the navigation
(which involves taking six time-lapse movie frames), and monitoring dust
on the panoramic-camera mast assembly. The rover then continued driving
and acquired images just before and after completing the drive with the
navigation and panoramic cameras. Plans for the following day called for
Opportunity to take spot images of the sky and make the usual
measurements of atmospheric dust.

Odometry

As of sol 1687 (Oct. 21, 2008), Opportunity's total odometry was
12,677.65 meters (7.88 miles).


From meteoritekid at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 13:42:23 2008
From: meteoritekid at gmail.com (Jason Utas)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:42:23 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] So any definitive word on Rocks From Space POD
	and Micha...
In-Reply-To: <c6d.3b15bfef.3649d113@aol.com>
References: <c6d.3b15bfef.3649d113@aol.com>
Message-ID: <93aaac890811101042u21c4c42fq230c3927cce854e1@mail.gmail.com>

Hola All,
I spoke with him a few days ago, and he said he was hoping to get the
website back up soon.  As to why he's disappeared so completely from
the list, I can't say, but he's alive and well out there, so I
wouldn't worry too much.
Regards,
Jason

On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 10:01 AM,  <STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com> wrote:
> Hi Mike,  You didn't miss it as far as I  know.  We all are wondering.  The
> RFS Calendar is down as well.
>
> Tom
>
> In a message dated 11/10/2008 10:49:23 A.M. Mountain Standard  Time,
> michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com writes:
> Hi folks,
>
> Please forgive me  if the answer to this has already been posted and I missed
> it.
>
> Did anyone  ever find out what happened to Michael Johnson and his Rocks from
> Space Picture  of the  Day?
>
> Regards,
>
> MikeG
>
> .........................................................
> Michael  Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
> Member of the Meteoritical Society.
> Member of the  Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
> Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and  http://www.glassthrower.com
> MySpace -  http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
> ..........................................................
>
>
>
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From arnaudmignan at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 10 15:22:14 2008
From: arnaudmignan at hotmail.com (Arnaud Mignan)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:22:14 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] WANTED - Holbrook from AMNH
Message-ID: <COL108-W1317A2D587F276E34E1F4C01A0@phx.gbl>


Hello,

I'm looking for some small Holbrooks from AMNH - Please contact me off-list if you have some for sale or trade
For trade, I have for example:
Viedma full slice of 132g (there must be less than 10 full slices existing)
Juancheng individual of 93g (with secondary FC)
Lost City part slice with FC of 0.42g (Schwade/Smithsonian)

Thanks,

Arnaud

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From radio_ranch at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 10 16:48:33 2008
From: radio_ranch at yahoo.com (Pat Brown)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:48:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] WANTED - Holbrook from AMNH
In-Reply-To: <COL108-W1317A2D587F276E34E1F4C01A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <122192.94703.qm@web51306.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi Arnaud and fellow listoids, 

Why have these small Holbrooks with AMNH labels become so popular? I have 2 (which are not for sale) that I bought from ET about 15 years ago for very little. There was one in Michael Blood's auction in Tucson this year that brought good money, was weighed to the nearest milligram and placed in a membrane box. 

Pat Brown 
Scientific Lifestyle Meteorites
Engineer by vocation, meteorite hunter when on vacation


--- On Mon, 11/10/08, Arnaud Mignan <arnaudmignan at hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: Arnaud Mignan <arnaudmignan at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] WANTED - Holbrook from AMNH
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 12:22 PM
> Hello,
> 
> I'm looking for some small Holbrooks from AMNH - Please
> contact me off-list if you have some for sale or trade
> For trade, I have for example:
> Viedma full slice of 132g (there must be less than 10 full
> slices existing)
> Juancheng individual of 93g (with secondary FC)
> Lost City part slice with FC of 0.42g (Schwade/Smithsonian)
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Arnaud
> 
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From radio_ranch at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 10 16:48:51 2008
From: radio_ranch at yahoo.com (Pat Brown)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:48:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] WANTED - Holbrook from AMNH
In-Reply-To: <COL108-W1317A2D587F276E34E1F4C01A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <526797.24961.qm@web51311.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi Arnaud and fellow listoids, 

Why have these small Holbrooks with AMNH labels become so popular? I have 2 (which are not for sale) that I bought from ET about 15 years ago for very little. There was one in Michael Blood's auction in Tucson this year that brought good money, was weighed to the nearest milligram and placed in a membrane box. 

Pat Brown 
Scientific Lifestyle Meteorites
Engineer by vocation, meteorite hunter when on vacation


--- On Mon, 11/10/08, Arnaud Mignan <arnaudmignan at hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: Arnaud Mignan <arnaudmignan at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] WANTED - Holbrook from AMNH
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 12:22 PM
> Hello,
> 
> I'm looking for some small Holbrooks from AMNH - Please
> contact me off-list if you have some for sale or trade
> For trade, I have for example:
> Viedma full slice of 132g (there must be less than 10 full
> slices existing)
> Juancheng individual of 93g (with secondary FC)
> Lost City part slice with FC of 0.42g (Schwade/Smithsonian)
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Arnaud
> 
> _________________________________________________________________
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> Live Messenger? !? T?l?chargez-le maintenant !
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From psc2410xi at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 10 16:50:34 2008
From: psc2410xi at yahoo.com (Don Rawlings)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:50:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] So any definitive word on Rocks From Space POD
	and Micha...
In-Reply-To: <93aaac890811101042u21c4c42fq230c3927cce854e1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <805147.35231.qm@web59302.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

That is great news Jason.  I was afraid that he just got tired of being used as an advertising outlet for dealer sales and high dollar auction houses.

Don Rawlings


--- On Mon, 11/10/08, Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] So any definitive word on Rocks From Space POD and Micha...
> To: "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 1:42 PM
> Hola All,
> I spoke with him a few days ago, and he said he was hoping
> to get the
> website back up soon.  As to why he's disappeared so
> completely from
> the list, I can't say, but he's alive and well out
> there, so I
> wouldn't worry too much.
> Regards,
> Jason
> 
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 10:01 AM, 
> <STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com> wrote:
> > Hi Mike,  You didn't miss it as far as I  know. 
> We all are wondering.  The
> > RFS Calendar is down as well.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > In a message dated 11/10/2008 10:49:23 A.M. Mountain
> Standard  Time,
> > michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com writes:
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > Please forgive me  if the answer to this has already
> been posted and I missed
> > it.
> >
> > Did anyone  ever find out what happened to Michael
> Johnson and his Rocks from
> > Space Picture  of the  Day?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > MikeG
> >
> >
> .........................................................
> > Michael  Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
> > Member of the Meteoritical Society.
> > Member of the  Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
> > Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and 
> http://www.glassthrower.com
> > MySpace - 
> http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
> >
> ..........................................................
> >
> >
> >
> > ______________________________________________
> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > Meteorite-list  mailing  list
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >
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> >
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> directions, recipes and all other
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From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Mon Nov 10 18:40:21 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:40:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Phoenix Lander Finishes Successful Work on
	Red Planet
Message-ID: <200811102340.PAA23350@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



Nov. 10, 2008

Dwayne Brown 
Headquarters, Washington 
202-358-1726 
dwayne.c.brown at nasa.gov 

Guy Webster/Rhea Borja 
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. 
818-354-6278/0850 
guy.webster at jpl.nasa.gov, rhea.r.borja at jpl.nasa.gov 

Lori Stiles 
University of Arizona, Tucson 
520-626-4402 
lstiles at email.arizona.edu 

RELEASE: 08-284

MARS PHOENIX LANDER FINISHES SUCCESSFUL WORK ON RED PLANET

WASHINGTON -- NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander has ceased communications 
after operating for more than five months. As anticipated, seasonal 
decline in sunshine at the robot's arctic landing site is not 
providing enough sunlight for the solar arrays to collect the power 
necessary to charge batteries that operate the lander's instruments. 

Mission engineers last received a signal from the lander on Nov. 2. 
Phoenix, in addition to shorter daylight, has encountered a dustier 
sky, more clouds and colder temperatures as the northern Mars summer 
approaches autumn. The mission exceeded its planned operational life 
of three months to conduct and return science data. 

The project team will be listening carefully during the next few weeks 
to hear if Phoenix revives and phones home. However, engineers now 
believe that is unlikely because of the worsening weather conditions 
on Mars. While the spacecraft's work has ended, the analysis of data 
from the instruments is in its earliest stages. 

"Phoenix has given us some surprises, and I'm confident we will be 
pulling more gems from this trove of data for years to come," said 
Phoenix Principal Investigator Peter Smith of the University of 
Arizona in Tucson. 

Launched Aug. 4, 2007, Phoenix landed May 25, 2008, farther north than 
any previous spacecraft to land on the Martian surface. The lander 
dug, scooped, baked, sniffed and tasted the Red Planet's soil. Among 
early results, it verified the presence of water-ice in the Martian 
subsurface, which NASA's Mars Odyssey orbiter first detected remotely 
in 2002. Phoenix's cameras also returned more than 25,000 pictures 
from sweeping vistas to near the atomic level using the first atomic 
force microscope ever used outside Earth. 

"Phoenix not only met the tremendous challenge of landing safely, it 
accomplished scientific investigations on 149 of its 152 Martian days 
as a result of dedicated work by a talented team," said Phoenix 
Project Manager Barry Goldstein at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory 
in Pasadena, Calif. 

Phoenix's preliminary science accomplishments advance the goal of 
studying whether the Martian arctic environment has ever been 
favorable for microbes. Additional findings include documenting a 
mildly alkaline soil environment unlike any found by earlier Mars 
missions; finding small concentrations of salts that could be 
nutrients for life; discovering perchlorate salt, which has 
implications for ice and soil properties; and finding calcium 
carbonate, a marker of effects of liquid water. 

Phoenix findings also support the goal of learning the history of 
water on Mars. These findings include excavating soil above the ice 
table, revealing at least two distinct types of ice deposits; 
observing snow descending from clouds; providing a mission-long 
weather record, with data on temperature, pressure, humidity and 
wind; observations of haze, clouds, frost and whirlwinds; and 
coordinating with NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter to perform 
simultaneous ground and orbital observations of Martian weather. 

"Phoenix provided an important step to spur the hope that we can show 
Mars was once habitable and possibly supported life," said Doug 
McCuistion, director of the Mars Exploration Program at NASA 
Headquarters in Washington. "Phoenix was supported by orbiting NASA 
spacecraft providing communications relay while producing their own 
fascinating science. With the upcoming launch of the Mars Science 
Laboratory, the Mars Program never sleeps." 

The University of Arizona leads the Phoenix mission with project 
management at JPL and development partnership at Lockheed Martin 
Corporation in Denver. International contributions came from the 
Canadian Space Agency; the University of Neuchatel, Switzerland; the 
universities of Copenhagen and Aarhus in Denmark; the Max Planck 
Institute in Germany; the Finnish Meteorological Institute; and 
Imperial College of London. 

For additional information about Phoenix mission findings, visit: 

http://www.nasa.gov/phoenix   
	
-end-



From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Mon Nov 10 18:42:47 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:42:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA Begins Hunt for New Meteor Showers
Message-ID: <200811102342.PAA24200@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/10nov_sentinel.htm

NASA Begins Hunt for New Meteor Showers
NASA Science news
November 10, 2008

Nov. 10, 2008: It started out as a normal day. NASA astronomer and
meteor expert Bill Cooke woke up, dressed, and went to his office at the
Marshall Space Flight Center. Colleagues greeted him as usual, there was
no hum of excitement.

And then he checked his email.

"That's how I found out - I'd slept through a meteor outburst!"

During the dark hours before dawn on Sept. 9, 2008, a surprising flurry
of meteors had showered the skies above Huntsville, Alabama. More than
two dozen of them were fireballs brighter than Jupiter or Venus; a few
even cast shadows. Cooke like everyone else he knew was sound asleep and
saw nothing.

But Cooke's all-sky Sentinel camera located on the grounds of the
Marshall Space Flight Center recorded the whole thing and, when it was
done, left him an email summarizing the outburst.

"Our Sentinel system consists of a computer-controlled camera, fisheye
lens and digital video recorder. It was developed by researchers at the
University of Western Ontario for studies of meteors over Canada, and
now we've adapted it for our purposes. Every night Sentinel patrols the
sky, looking for the unexpected, and it never gets sleepy."

In years past, sky watchers had occasionally noticed a small number of
dim meteors streaking out of the constellation Perseus around Sept. 9th.
The shower, hailing from an unknown comet, was named "the September
Perseids" and rarely monitored because it was thought to be a feeble
display.

"Now we know better," says Cooke. "The Sept. Perseids of 2008 were
fantastic." Sometime in the past, the shower's parent comet must have
laid down a stream of dusty debris which is now drifting across Earth's
orbit. Apparently, the stream contains clumps or filaments of dust that
can produce outbursts of meteors when Earth runs into one. "How often
this happens is anyone's guess."

Answering the question how often? is one of the goals of the Sentinel
system. There could be many unknown streams of debris "out there"
crossing Earth's orbit, causing outbursts that go unnoticed because,
well, even astronomers need their sleep. Using Sentinel, "we can
discover new meteoroid streams that could pose a threat to spacecraft
and satellites???or just put on a pretty show from time to time."

It would have been nice to backtrack the fireballs of Sept. 9th to their
parent comet, solving the mystery of their origin, but Sentinel couldn't
do that. A single camera is not sufficient to measure a meteoroid's 3D
trajectory. To remedy the problem, Cooke's team has since set up a
second camera 100 miles away in north Georgia at the Walker County
Science Center.

"With two cameras, we can gather the data we need to calculate orbits,"
he explains.

The first successful test of the two-station Sentinel system came on
Oct. 1, 2008, when a centimeter-sized meteoroid hit Earth's atmosphere
over the southeastern United States with about as much energy as 500
pounds of TNT. Both cameras recorded the fireball:

Using Asgard software developed by Rob Weryk of the University of
Western Ontario, the Sentinel system automatically calculated the orbit
of the meteoroid and emailed the results to Cooke. "It came from the
asteroid belt," he says: diagram <images/sentinel/orbit.jpg>.

Cooke is especially interested in centimeter-class meteoroids because he
and his colleagues at the NASA Meteoroid Environment Office frequently
see them hitting the Moon. Since 2005, they've recorded more than 100
lunar impacts. Unlike Earth, the Moon has no atmosphere to cushion the
blow of incoming meteoroids; they simply hit the ground and explode.
With NASA planning to send people back to the Moon, the frequency and
power of lunar impacts has become a matter of considerable interest. By
studying the meteoroids at close range in the skies over Alabama, he
hopes to learn more about their properties, especially their speeds,
which is an important factor in luminous efficiency--i.e., how much of a
meteoroid's kinetic energy is converted to light when it disintegrates
upon impact. This will help researchers understand the distant flashes
they see on the Moon.

Uncovering new meteor showers on Earth is icing on the cake.

"Checking my email," says Cooke, "has never been so much fun."



From mstreman53 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 10 18:57:57 2008
From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:57:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] This looks like a meteorite??
In-Reply-To: <BAY126-W6973FC2A21C5C7E5037C9B6180@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <281995.30147.qm@web55207.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

The grape-cluster/kidney form on the first photo is highly suggestive of hematite.

Elton


--- On Sat, 11/8/08, HANS D. <desam07 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi list! I have a mexican friend in Coahuila, he found this
> piece in a mountains and is magnetic also, can somebody tell
> if look like a meteorite to take a next step?, thanks!
>  
> Picture here:
> http://tinypic.com/useralbum.php?ua=6TFS2JzfobkUSTSphFc1Mg%3D%3D
>  


From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Mon Nov 10 19:46:52 2008
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda at ntlworld.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 0:46:52 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] nice listing from ET...can't quite afford them!
Message-ID: <20081111004652.QPAX19264.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@smtp.ntlworld.com>

Pity the dollars up against the pound...might have been tempted!! Just dreaming...nice rocks!

http://shop.ebay.co.uk/merchant/etmeteorites

...especially the ?10m D'Orbigny...the Odessa and sign are great too.

Anyone tempted?

Graham Ensor UK

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From mlblood at cox.net  Mon Nov 10 20:09:36 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:09:36 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] WANTED
In-Reply-To: <200811102342.PAA24200@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <C53E1B50.1BD7B%mlblood@cox.net>

Wanted,
        Cutting "dust" from meteorites:
        Must be by "color" - not a "mix"
Preferences as follows:
-GREY
-Reddish 
-Reddish browns (mixed OK on this one)
        Will pay reasonable amount (worth
Hasseling with your saw cutting tray) but
Not a fortune - better than throwing it away.
"Art" project in mind.
        Please contact off list.
        RSPV
        Thanks, Michael







From magic2u at earthlink.net  Mon Nov 10 21:39:45 2008
From: magic2u at earthlink.net (richard rumble)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:39:45 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [meteorite-list] ODD sighting... need some input
Message-ID: <30918538.1226371185230.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>



At 6:05 pm PST I was heading out to my car... when I saw TWO bright stars in the sky that have NOT been there previously.  Now, I do educational programs for ele. schools with a portable planetarium as well as host star parties for the schools.  I am pretty familiar with the night sky, and since I was just out with the telescopes on FRI.. and neither of those two stars were in that location... Im pretty sure that they were not stars.

Both were about the same magnitude as Jupiter... both were just above Fomalhaut.. in about the same locations as 88 and 89 Aquarii.  They were stationary and did not move as they faded out, much like a Satellite.. except that both dimmed together and neither moved.

My only two thoughts are perhaps I managed to catch  TWO geo-stationary satellites as they slowly rotated and FLASHED me at the same time....  Or TWO stars going supernova at the same time....

Anyone here able to shed some light on this?

Richard Rumble


From John at Cabassi.net  Mon Nov 10 21:39:29 2008
From: John at Cabassi.net (John.L.Cabassi)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:39:29 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Large Tazas
Message-ID: <00af01c943a6$bb2bc5d0$4564fea9@TITAN>

G'Day List
Once again, I'm helping out a friend, he has several large Tazas that he 
regrets that he needs to part with. And he asked me if I could post this for 
him.  If anyone is interested, they can contact me off list and I will 
provide his email address and you can deal with him directly.

Thank you very much for your time.

Cheers
Johnno

=====================================

Hi Johnno,
Thanks for your help, here are the Tazas I am selling.   I am asking $3.00 
per gram on all:

123g Taza  (SOLD)
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll32/Hveragerthi/Taza123g.jpg

170.8g Taza
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll32/Hveragerthi/Taza1708g.jpg

442.4g taza
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll32/Hveragerthi/Taza4424g.jpg

668g Taza
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll32/Hveragerthi/Taza668g1.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll32/Hveragerthi/PICT2172.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll32/Hveragerthi/Taza6683.jpg

Taza 774g
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll32/Hveragerthi/PICT2133.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll32/Hveragerthi/Taza744g.jpg

Thanks,
James


From lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu  Mon Nov 10 22:03:12 2008
From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu (lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:03:12 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] ODD sighting... need some input
In-Reply-To: <30918538.1226371185230.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.
	net>
References: <30918538.1226371185230.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <51200.71.226.60.25.1226372592.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu>

Richard:

Have you tried heavens above:

http://www.heavens-above.com/

You just need to input your location and then there is a place to look for
Iridium satellites (can do it for the next 10 days or for the last 24
hours). I have seen back-to-back satellites, but never two at once.

Larry

On Mon, November 10, 2008 7:39 pm, richard rumble wrote:
>

>
> At 6:05 pm PST I was heading out to my car... when I saw TWO bright stars
> in the sky that have NOT been there previously.  Now, I do educational
> programs for ele. schools with a portable planetarium as well as host
> star parties for the schools.  I am pretty familiar with the night sky,
> and since I was just out with the telescopes on FRI.. and neither of
> those two stars were in that location... Im pretty sure that they were
> not stars.
>
> Both were about the same magnitude as Jupiter... both were just above
> Fomalhaut.. in about the same locations as 88 and 89 Aquarii.  They were
> stationary and did not move as they faded out, much like a Satellite..
> except that both dimmed together and neither moved.
>
> My only two thoughts are perhaps I managed to catch  TWO geo-stationary
> satellites as they slowly rotated and FLASHED me at the same time....  Or
> TWO stars going supernova at the same time....
>
>
> Anyone here able to shed some light on this?
>
>
> Richard Rumble
>
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
>



From cynapse at charter.net  Mon Nov 10 22:56:43 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:56:43 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Phoenix Lander Finishes Successful Work
	on Red Planet
In-Reply-To: <200811102340.PAA23350@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
References: <200811102340.PAA23350@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <di0ih49ehc944f59d1q58bj8sfi3463lsu@4ax.com>

On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:40:21 -0800 (PST), you wrote:

>WASHINGTON -- NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander has ceased communications 
>after operating for more than five months. As anticipated, seasonal 
>decline in sunshine at the robot's arctic landing site is not 
>providing enough sunlight for the solar arrays to collect the power 
>necessary to charge batteries that operate the lander's instruments. 

Then there was an odd thermal reading, and suddenly communications resumed!

From fp456 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 10 23:46:46 2008
From: fp456 at yahoo.com (Frank)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:46:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Update to sale of collection
In-Reply-To: <mailman.378.1226365590.17155.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <832480.37710.qm@web38204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello List!

It's been quite some time since I've posted, and I have just updated my collection sale web page.  I began collecting in 1988 and last year began to slowly sell off much of my collection.  I have added another 9 meteorites and this time and some tektites and impact materials as well.  Some pieces in this update that have been long time favorites of mine are a beautiful slice of the Theil Mountains pallasite, a natural Sikhote Alin sample, and a nice whole Nuevo Mercurio.  I have also adjusted some of the prices on pieces previously posted.  Included right now are 11 pallasites from 10 localities, many priced in the $20's per gram (but not the Theil Mtns, sorry!).  Items currently on my sale list include:

Abbott
Ahumada
Al Mahbas
Albin
Allende
Beaver Creek
Chinga
DaG 749
Esquel
Glorieta Mountain
Happy Canyon
Huckitta
Imilac
Kapoeta
Kelly (though on hold right now)
Molong
Nogoya
Nuevo Mercurio
NWA 801
NWA 978
NWA 1914
Sikhote Alin
Sommervell County
Tatahouine
Theil Mountains
Vaca Muerta
Wolf Creek
Zagami
tektites of various localities, and
impact melts and breccias of various localities, 
as well as some books and magazines.

I'm afraid my photography skills are not great, but I have done my best.

Thanks for looking and feel free to email me at fprochaska at comcast.net if yo have any questions.  (I use the yahoo address above so I can get the the List delivered in spite of Comcast's filters!)


Frank Prochaska






      

From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 11 00:21:21 2008
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:21:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] This day in meteorite history...
Message-ID: <462799.22737.qm@web45604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

on this day in meteorite history...

Dhofar 950
On November 11, 2003 a gray stone weighing 21.7 g was found in the Dhofar region of Oman. It was Classified as a Lunar feldspathic impact melt breccia. The main mass is held by an anonymous finder.
The meteorite may be paired with Dhofar 302, 303, 305, 306, 307, 309, 310, 311, 730, 731 that was found in the same area. 

Dhofar 731
On November 11, 2002 a light-grey stone weighing 36 g was found in the Dhofar region of Oman. It was Classified as a Lunar anorthositic impact melt breccia and the main mass is held by an anonymous finder.
Dhofar 731 may be paired with Dhofar 302, 303, 305, 306, 307, 309, 310, 311, 730 and 950 that was found in the same area. 







http://www.hostingphpbb.com/forum/index.php?mforum=wwwmeteoritesto


      


From fp456 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 11 01:25:00 2008
From: fp456 at yahoo.com (Frank)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:25:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Update to sale of collection
In-Reply-To: <mailman.378.1226365590.17155.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <966459.59035.qm@web38201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I apologize for reposting so quickly, but I managed to leave off the URL for the website.  It is:


http://home.comcast.net/~fprochaska/



Sorry about that!




Frank Prochaska





      

From bristolia at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 11 09:50:18 2008
From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:50:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] What Publication has the Best Definition of
	"Tektite"?
Message-ID: <259944.73157.qm@web36205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dear Friends,

I need to define what a "tektite" is. What paper,
book, or other publication has, in your opinion, 
has the best definition of the term "tektite"?

Yours,

Paul H.
Baton Rouge, LA 


      

From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 11 11:11:28 2008
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:11:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD : Galactic Stone Meteorites, Rocks, Minerals,
	Crystals, Fossils, Etc...
In-Reply-To: <mailman.379.1226365590.17155.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <405951.99308.qm@web58404.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Galactic Stone's Grand Opening Sale (sort of) ....!!!

To celebrate my entry into the field of minerals and fossils, I am having a big sale on everything in my inventory, including new meteorites!

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BRAND NEW METEORITES!  JUST ARRIVED!


UNWA Stone #3 - nice dark crust and shape.  93.9 grams - $20

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/LATEST/unwa-3-b.jpg
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/LATEST/unwa-3-1.jpg


UNWA Stone #2 - very nice glossy crust with contraction cracks. 76 grams - $15

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/LATEST/unwa-2-b.jpg
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/LATEST/unwa-2-2.jpg


UNWA Stone #1 - big substantial chunk.  Nice dark crust all around.  179.3 grams - $35

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/LATEST/unwa-1.jpg


UNWA Stone "Starfleet" - big stone shaped like the Star Trek "Starfleet" emblem.  Nice dark crust.  136.8 grams - $30

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/LATEST/starfleet-2.jpg
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/LATEST/starfleet-1.jpg


UNWA Stones Pair (2) - two nice nuggets with dark crust.  Combined weight 66.6 grams. - $15

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/LATEST/small-mets-new.jpg
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/LATEST/small-mets-2.jpg


UNWA Stone "Patina" - big chunk with desert patina and dark crust on it.  94.8 grams - $20

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/LATEST/patina-3.jpg
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/LATEST/patina-2.jpg
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/LATEST/patina-1.jpg


UNWA Stone "Nugget" - chunky nugget with dark crust and contraction cracks.  70.3 grams - $15

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/LATEST/nugget-2.jpg
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/LATEST/nugget-1.jpg

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Rocks, Minerals, Fossils and Crystals!


TRINITITE (NEW PIECES!) - penny and nickel-sized pieces.  At least 2 grams each. - $20 each!  (jump now at this price, it's going up soon!)

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/Rocks/trinitite-lot.jpg
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/Rocks/trinitite-close-1.jpg


SUPER-RARE TRINITITE CRYSTAL - these are exceptionally rare.  Pure glass-like translucent crystal!  Thick and heavy.  Neon-green color.  This is Trinitite in it's purest form and you rarely see pieces of this crystalline nature.  5.8 grams!  - $60 (I only have ONE of these)

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/Rocks/trini-crystal-3.jpg
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/Rocks/trini-crystal-2.jpg
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/Rocks/trini-crystal.jpg


Quartz Crystal Lots - groups of 20+ quartz crystals.  Well-terminated and 100% transparent.  Exact size and shape varies.  - $5 each lot.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/Rocks/quartz-lot.jpg
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/Rocks/quartz-bulk.jpg


Purple Fluorite Octahedral Crystals - perfectly formed fluorite cubic crystals.  (not artificially cut)  Striking color and clarity.  This is the same fluorite used to make high-end refractor lenses.  - $5 each small, $10 each large.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/Rocks/purple-fluorite-group.jpg
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/Rocks/purple-fluorite-close.jpg


Green Fluorite Octahedral Crystals - same as the purple crystals, except the color is green.  These are larger on average than the purple. - $5 each small, $10 each large.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/Rocks/green-fluorite-group.jpg
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/Rocks/green-fluorite-close.jpg


Arizona Fossil Slab - big, thick, heavy, slab of black agate-matrix loaded with embedded fossils.  One side has a high polish and the other side is natural.  Measures 7x5x1 inches and weighs 979 grams.  - $30

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/Rocks/arizona-fossil-close-1.jpg
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/Rocks/arizona-fossil-1.jpg


Turtilla Fossil Slab - rough unpolished state.  Giant thick slab of Turtilla fossils and matrix rock.  This could be easily sliced into several smaller blocks or slices.  Ready for polishing or cabbing.  Selling at wholesale price - $35

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/Rocks/fossil-rough.jpg
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/Rocks/fossil-rough-close.jpg
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/Rocks/fossil-rough-3.jpg


Pink Dolomite Slab - 408 grams of polished dolomite.  Measures 7x5x1/4, polished on one side, natural on the other.  This is a striking piece loaded with color and detail.  - $25

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/Rocks/dolomite-1.jpg


Mineral Mini-Slabs - Two different mineral slabs with a nice polish and interesting detail.  Lots of color and patterns in the matrix.  I'm not sure what these are exactly, but they are very pretty.  Polished on one side, natural on the other.  Weighs about 200 grams each.  - $15 each.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/Rocks/mineral-2-close.jpg
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/Rocks/mineral-2.jpg
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/Rocks/mineral-1-close.jpg
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/Rocks/mineral-1.jpg

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And, as always, I still have the following in stock and ready to ship -

HUGE 3-pound (1340grams) Softball-sized UNWA stone meteorite - the biggest stone in my inventory.  Lots of nice dark glossy crust.  This would make a great outreach prop or collection centerpiece.  - $250 shipped.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/LATEST/big-met-5.jpg


100 gram UNWA Bulk Lots - 100 grams of small UNWA stone individuals and fragments.  - $25

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/LATEST/unwa-2-1.jpg


100 gram UNWA Bulk Lots (premium grade) - small handpicked dark crusted stones in 100 gram lots - $30

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/LATEST/unwa-2.jpg


Moon Rock Display Boxes - $40 each

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/April%20Sale/moonrock2.jpg


Mars Rock Display Boxes - $40 each

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/April%20Sale/mars-rock.jpg


Moon and Mars Rock Combo Display Kit - $75

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/April%20Sale/2-planet-kit.jpg


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PayPal preferred.  Be sure to stop by my website for more detailed item descriptions.  www.galactic-stone.com

Feel free to contact me with any questions, photo requests, or to reserve your item(s).

Thanks for looking! :)

MikeG

mike at galactic-stone.com

.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
..........................................................



      

From freequarks at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 11:25:33 2008
From: freequarks at gmail.com (Dark Matter)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:25:33 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] WANTED - Holbrook from AMNH
In-Reply-To: <122192.94703.qm@web51306.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <COL108-W1317A2D587F276E34E1F4C01A0@phx.gbl>
	<122192.94703.qm@web51306.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <822da19a0811110825l158316adx2a6cb57b78b5ac1d@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

I think its not only amazing that the AMNH took the time to hand-label
approximately 2000 small individuals from the same fall, but each each
numbered Holbrook was weighed and formally entered into the 1935 AMNH
Meteorite Collection Catalogue (from where my ballpark figure of 2000
numbered individuals came from). And all this is beyond the fact that
Holbrook will forever hold a firm place in American meteorite history,
as well as meteorite shower science.

Further, since the numbered Holbrooks were collected immediately after
the fall, an AMNH numbered specimen guarantees that the individual is
"fresh" and as found shortly after the 1912 fall.

Here is a link to a pic of some of the numbered Holbrook individuals
in my collection resting on a copy of the 1935 AMNH meteorite
collection catalogue:

http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2002/November/3holbrook_amnh_numbers.jpg


And here is link to my Accretion Desk article about the The Arthur
Ross Hall of Meteorites in the American Museum of Natural History in
New York City:

http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2006/October/Accretion_Desk.htm


Just an FYI: I did see a few AMNH numbered Holbrooks offered by Bob
Summerfield at his Astronomy to Go  when he displayed his wears at a
exhibitor booth at a science conference in Boston earlier this year. I
cannot remember if I bought them all but it's worth a shot asking.

Cheers,

Martin




On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Pat Brown <radio_ranch at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Arnaud and fellow listoids,
>
> Why have these small Holbrooks with AMNH labels become so popular? I have 2 (which are not for sale) that I bought from ET about 15 years ago for very little. There was one in Michael Blood's auction in Tucson this year that brought good money, was weighed to the nearest milligram and placed in a membrane box.
>
> Pat Brown
> Scientific Lifestyle Meteorites
> Engineer by vocation, meteorite hunter when on vacation
>
>
> --- On Mon, 11/10/08, Arnaud Mignan <arnaudmignan at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Arnaud Mignan <arnaudmignan at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] WANTED - Holbrook from AMNH
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 12:22 PM
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'm looking for some small Holbrooks from AMNH - Please
>> contact me off-list if you have some for sale or trade
>> For trade, I have for example:
>> Viedma full slice of 132g (there must be less than 10 full
>> slices existing)
>> Juancheng individual of 93g (with secondary FC)
>> Lost City part slice with FC of 0.42g (Schwade/Smithsonian)
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Arnaud
>>
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From arnaudmignan at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 11 11:45:14 2008
From: arnaudmignan at hotmail.com (Arnaud Mignan)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:45:14 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] WANTED - Holbrook from AMNH
In-Reply-To: <822da19a0811110825l158316adx2a6cb57b78b5ac1d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <COL108-W1317A2D587F276E34E1F4C01A0@phx.gbl>
	<122192.94703.qm@web51306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> 
	<822da19a0811110825l158316adx2a6cb57b78b5ac1d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL108-W17AF5174872B8959C8F6BEC0150@phx.gbl>


Thanks a lot Martin for these information!

I did a search on the internet and we can download the AMNH catalogue of 1935 at this address
http://digitallibrary.amnh.org/dspace/handle/2246/937

Cheers,

Arnaud



> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:25:33 -0700
> From: freequarks at gmail.com
> To: radio_ranch at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] WANTED - Holbrook from AMNH
> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com; arnaudmignan at hotmail.com
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I think its not only amazing that the AMNH took the time to hand-label
> approximately 2000 small individuals from the same fall, but each each
> numbered Holbrook was weighed and formally entered into the 1935 AMNH
> Meteorite Collection Catalogue (from where my ballpark figure of 2000
> numbered individuals came from). And all this is beyond the fact that
> Holbrook will forever hold a firm place in American meteorite history,
> as well as meteorite shower science.
> 
> Further, since the numbered Holbrooks were collected immediately after
> the fall, an AMNH numbered specimen guarantees that the individual is
> "fresh" and as found shortly after the 1912 fall.
> 
> Here is a link to a pic of some of the numbered Holbrook individuals
> in my collection resting on a copy of the 1935 AMNH meteorite
> collection catalogue:
> 
> http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2002/November/3holbrook_amnh_numbers.jpg
> 
> 
> And here is link to my Accretion Desk article about the The Arthur
> Ross Hall of Meteorites in the American Museum of Natural History in
> New York City:
> 
> http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2006/October/Accretion_Desk.htm
> 
> 
> Just an FYI: I did see a few AMNH numbered Holbrooks offered by Bob
> Summerfield at his Astronomy to Go  when he displayed his wears at a
> exhibitor booth at a science conference in Boston earlier this year. I
> cannot remember if I bought them all but it's worth a shot asking.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Martin
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Pat Brown  wrote:
>> Hi Arnaud and fellow listoids,
>>
>> Why have these small Holbrooks with AMNH labels become so popular? I have 2 (which are not for sale) that I bought from ET about 15 years ago for very little. There was one in Michael Blood's auction in Tucson this year that brought good money, was weighed to the nearest milligram and placed in a membrane box.
>>
>> Pat Brown
>> Scientific Lifestyle Meteorites
>> Engineer by vocation, meteorite hunter when on vacation
>>
>>
>> --- On Mon, 11/10/08, Arnaud Mignan  wrote:
>>
>>> From: Arnaud Mignan 
>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] WANTED - Holbrook from AMNH
>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 12:22 PM
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I'm looking for some small Holbrooks from AMNH - Please
>>> contact me off-list if you have some for sale or trade
>>> For trade, I have for example:
>>> Viedma full slice of 132g (there must be less than 10 full
>>> slices existing)
>>> Juancheng individual of 93g (with secondary FC)
>>> Lost City part slice with FC of 0.42g (Schwade/Smithsonian)
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Arnaud
>>>
>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>> T?l?phonez gratuitement ? tous vos proches avec Windows
>>> Live Messenger  !  T?l?chargez-le maintenant !
>>> http://www.windowslive.fr/messenger/1.asp
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From erwin_r_c at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 11 12:00:44 2008
From: erwin_r_c at yahoo.com (Erwin Rivera)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:00:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] 114gr AND 340gr CARANCAS METEORITE SAMPLES
	INCREDIBLE NEW LOW PRICE
In-Reply-To: <718373.75870.qm@web51012.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <800084.58176.qm@web51003.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hello dear friends,much of you have already bought some carancas sample
from me , now I'm selling my two biggest CARANCAS meteorite samples at an
incredible low price

The first one is a 340 gr piece with about 5% crust, you can see pictures on the next link
>
http://www.publiplayer.com/bolivia-minerals/carancas350/car350.htm

>Price for this piece is 4000$us

The second is a 114gr 30-40% crust, probably the best big carancas piece,
this piece is for sale on my ebay store for 8999 or best offer. I will
sell it for 3800 $us buying outside ebay since comissions there are very
high. pictures on the next link.

http://www.publiplayer.com/bolivia-minerals/met115.htm

ebay link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/TOP-MUSEUM-QUALITY-CARANCAS-CHONDRITE-
METEORITE-114g_W0QQitemZ170230880737QQcmdZViewItem

My Carancas travel pictures
http://www.publiplayer.com/bolivia-minerals/carancas.htm

Or both pieces for 7000 $us

(copy complete link to your browser)
Best regards
Erwin Rivera

www.bolivia-minerals.com
ebay:bolivia-minerals



From almitt at kconline.com  Tue Nov 11 14:15:48 2008
From: almitt at kconline.com (al mitterling)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:15:48 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] WANTED - Holbrook from AMNH
In-Reply-To: <822da19a0811110825l158316adx2a6cb57b78b5ac1d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <COL108-W1317A2D587F276E34E1F4C01A0@phx.gbl><122192.94703.qm@web51306.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<822da19a0811110825l158316adx2a6cb57b78b5ac1d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AB5E08E499DA4E84A6BECABD26C8ED8E@StarmanPC>

Hi Martin and all,

I believe that Bob Summerfield gets most of his items from Ron Farrell 
(Betheny Science or University Collection). Perhaps they could buy
direct from the source.

--AL Mitterling



Just an FYI: I did see a few AMNH numbered Holbrooks offered by Bob
Summerfield at his Astronomy to Go  when he displayed his wears at a
exhibitor booth at a science conference in Boston earlier this year. I
cannot remember if I bought them all but it's worth a shot asking.

Cheers,

Martin 


From rlenssen at planet.nl  Tue Nov 11 15:50:08 2008
From: rlenssen at planet.nl (Rob Lenssen)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:50:08 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: 1256g DAG 463 main mass;
	large chondrules, troilite rimmed iron
Message-ID: <2106436E0286423D89F6EEEBD4355356@EIGENAARNJEQJY>

Hi List,

My beautiful 1256g main mass of DAG463 (L6) is running at ebay at the 
moment. The auction started at $0.99.

For pictures, including stereomicroscope images of large chondrules and 
troilite rimmed iron, check:
http://cgi.ebay.nl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=280283676507

Thanks,
Rob Lenssen 


From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Tue Nov 11 16:24:09 2008
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:24:09 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Special - New NWA 5471 - a Brachinite at 65$/g
	? Yes we can.
Message-ID: <004c01c94443$d62e83c0$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>


Dear collectors,

the Munich fair is over and as always so many friends and collectors deeply
regretted, that they were not able to attend the show,
because Munich is to far for them or other circumstances don?t allow them to
come.
To solace you a little bit, we want to give you the opportunity to partake
in our bestseller to the specialized visitors of the show,
cause every year we compass a very special delicacy for Munich at a rate,
which can be understood as a little tribute to our collector-friends
and which should help, that they will say: Yes, it was well worth to come to
Munich.

Well, the title of our today?s special is so self-explanatory, that most
probably some already will jump on the pieces, while you?re still reading
these lines, so where to start


This year you had learned in our Specials, that meteorites from Mars are the
embodiment of rarity,
and we learned that Moon is rarer than Mars;
even more rare than Moon are the Rumurutis,
but, you know, what will follow now ? exactly, the apogee of rareness are
the brachinites.

The Database currently lists 18 names and numbers,
though there are pairings among the Antarctic finds, the Australian
brachinites and of course the NWAs,
so that we're possibly talking about less than 10 different meteorites.

If one reads the specifications of the NWA-brachinites and the suggested
pairings in the descriptions,
it seems that the 8 numbers could maybe condensed to 3 different finds.
Where to sort NWA 5471 in, we don?t know yet.
Its specifications are a low shock level and a moderate weathering grade.

The combined weights of all known brachinites is less than 10kg.

Or to express it more vividly: Such a brachinite is 70,000 times rarer than
the legendary Koh-I-Noor diamond in the British crown jewels, housed in the
Tower of London.


The brachinites rank among the most enigmatic and discussed classes,
challenging the researchers with tough nuts to crack.
In short words
. Their mineralogical bulk composition is very simple ? they
almost completely consist of olivine, 90% and up,
the rest is mainly diopside. On Earth we call that type of primitive rock,
typically originating from the mantle, a dunite.
But their isotopes vary remarkably. Some of them show evidence to be related
to the acapulcoite/lodranite group, while others are closer to the
winonaites and the silicate phases in the IAB irons, and again some show
values plotting in the HED-field and in the angrites.
Also their petrology is not uniform, allowing different theories for their
formation, low temperature and high temperature scenarios, crust or mantle,
metamorphic and cumulate, large parent body versus small

Another interesting result is, that brachinites are quite the oldest
differentiated meteorites of all, with formation ages of only a few dozens
of million years younger than the CAIs as first solid matter of the solar
system.

Therefore so far the question can?t be answered yet,
whether brachinites are messengers from a Lost World, 
a single, but very heterogeneous body, or whether they represent a variety
of different parent bodies,
even an origin from Venus was suggested.

There are only so few single finds - those questions can be answered only
with the recovery of new brachinites.

To get a sample of a brachinite into ones collection is and was always a
highlight in a collector?s career
and once again we recognise the fantastic possibilities the NWA-rush
disclosed to science and collecting,
as all other brachinites are tiny stones and even worse, all of them were
found in Australia!
Not so long ago it was the highest of the highs, costing endless patience,
energy (and money), for a collector to get hold of a few atoms of an Eagles
Nest or a Reid 013




and here we finally arrived to the strongest and most trivial argument for
the speciality of our Special,
convinceing even those, who may not share our enthusiasm for that meteorite
type to the same extend:
the price.

The few brachinites ever offered, you found them starting not below 200$/g

We say, thank you for this year?s support, and say: ?65$ a gram.

No kidding.

Here the data:

NWA 5471
Morocco 2008
Tkw. 538 grams
Brachinite
Shock Stage: low
Weathering Grade: moderate

And finally, after your patience, here they are!


http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/special-nwa5471.html


Happy St.Martin?s Day!

Martin Altmann & Stefan Ralew
Chladni's Heirs
Munich - Berlin
Fine Meteorites for Science & Collectors
http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/










From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Tue Nov 11 16:59:39 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 11 Nov 2008 21:59:39 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Special - New NWA 5471 - a Brachinite at
	65$/g ? Yes we can.
Message-ID: <DIIE.0000009700003578@paulinet.de>

Hello Listees and Listoids,


Martin wrote:

"The few brachinites ever offered, you found them starting not below 200$/g"

That's right! I paid about 300$ per gram for my 0.602 gram slice of a brachinite!

Martin also wrote:

"We say, thank you for this year's support, and say: 65$ a gram."


No need to tell you that I purchased a beautiful 2.971-gram slice in Munich
at a price that can hardly be beaten! And, under the microscope, it looks much
fresher than its weathering degree => "moderate" suggests. I love triple junctions
and there are many of them!!!


Best from Germany,

Bernd



To: altmann at meteorite-martin.de
    meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com


From m42protosun at aol.com  Tue Nov 11 18:25:25 2008
From: m42protosun at aol.com (m42protosun at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:25:25 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] What Publication has the Best Definition of
	"Tektite"?
In-Reply-To: <259944.73157.qm@web36205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <259944.73157.qm@web36205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CB126BE8C78B72-CFC-14A4@webmail-dx15.sysops.aol.com>

Hi Paul
look at

http://webplaza.pt.lu/public/guyhein/index.html

You will find all about Tectites
Greetings from Germany
Uwe

-----Urspr?ngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Paul <bristolia at yahoo.com>
An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Verschickt: Di., 11. Nov. 2008, 15:50
Thema: [meteorite-list] What Publication has the Best Definition of 
"Tektite"?



Dear Friends,

I need to define what a "tektite" is. What paper,
book, or other publication has, in your opinion,
has the best definition of the term "tektite"?

Yours,

Paul H.
Baton Rouge, LA



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From meteoriteplaya at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 18:49:08 2008
From: meteoriteplaya at gmail.com (Mike Jensen)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:49:08 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] The Meteorite King
Message-ID: <6f9da8300811111549t1b919f62hb087aa388b1d6a3c@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All
Make sure you read the end of this auction to learn more about the
"Meteorite King".
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320317734801

-- 
Mike
--
Mike Jensen Meteorites
16730 E Ada PL
Aurora, CO 80017-3137
USA
720-949-6220
IMCA 4264
website: www.jensenmeteorites.com

From gmhupe at htn.net  Tue Nov 11 19:18:14 2008
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:18:14 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Spectacular Deals - Auctions Ending Wednesday - AD
Message-ID: <AA8A7D1141814B2A9B89BFD873892894@Gregor>

Dear List Members,

In my ongoing efforts to bring amazing and rare meteorites to collectors and 
scientists alike, I have some spectacular auctions ending tomorrow 
(Wednesday), many still at just 99 cents, Christmas is here early!! Check 
out the highlighted great deals below, or to see all that I have to offer 
this week, please click here: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault

The "Quick List" to some of this week's highlights:
Muonionalusta End Cut 750g (Currently less than 8 cents a gram for a 
polished and etched piece!!)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=350121294939
NWA 3149 Howardite Slice 29.8 grams (So VERY VERY nice, and at a Give-Away 
Price!!)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=350121281784
NWA 1878 Mesosiderite Slice (Excellent "Buy it Now" price)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=170276953834
NWA 1879 Mesosiderite Slice (Another great "Buy it Now" deal)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=350121276193
NWA 1946 LL5 Slice 13 grams (Has large chondrule and just at 99 cents!)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=350121276827
NWA 2917 LL4 Shock Melt Breccia 67.7 grams! (LARGE End Cut with nice 
crust)(8 cents a gram!!!)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=350121278950
NWA 2932 Mesosiderite End Cut 89.7 grams! (Excellent "Buy it Now" price)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=350121280180
NWA 3151 Brachinite Slice 2.09g (LESS THAN $10.00 PER GRAM!!!)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=170276956474
NWA 4473 Polymict Diogenite Breccia 38.1g (Currently at Just $1.34 per 
gram!)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=170276957819
NWA 4478 Brecciated Lodranite Slice (70 cents per gram, can't be beat!!)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=170276958261
Chergach H5-IMB Polished Slice 16.9g (Still at just 99 cents)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=170276959573
Dhofar 911 Lunar Slice 684mg, just 1mm thick! (Nice Collection Piece)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=350121291835

To see all that I have to offer this week, please click here:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault

Thank you for bidding, I appreciate it!!

Best regards,
Greg

====================
Greg Hupe
The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
gmhupe at htn.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163
====================
Click here for my current eBay auctions: 
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault





From geoking at notkin.net  Tue Nov 11 19:29:46 2008
From: geoking at notkin.net (Notkin)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:29:46 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] The Meteorite King
In-Reply-To: <6f9da8300811111549t1b919f62hb087aa388b1d6a3c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f9da8300811111549t1b919f62hb087aa388b1d6a3c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5DDE51DF-9704-4ED0-817D-CA66D6A9EEEB@notkin.net>

Mike Jensen posted:

> Make sure you read the end of this auction to learn more about the
> "Meteorite King"

Hey Mike, too bad the "Meteorite King" doesn't know how to spell (sic)  
"Neininger"

That was a really entertaining read though, thanks. "Four major food  
groups of meteorites," and "rocky-irons." Wasn't Rocky Irons a country  
singer from Texas?  : )


Cheers,

Geoff N.
Tucson, AZ

www.aerolite.org
www.campometeorites.com

From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 12 11:07:55 2008
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:07:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Special on "Man and Impact in the Americas"
Message-ID: <534011.5064.qm@web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi all - 

While it's light on meteorites (as mainly comet fragments and not asteroids hit the Americas in recent times), if any of you want a copy of my book "Man and Impact in the Americas", I'm running a special. For $20 plus $5 for priority shipping in the US, or add $15 for priority shipping overseas, you can get a personally signed copy. My address is 

E.P. Grondine
P.O. Box 158
Kempton, IL 60946

While my book has hundreds of pages of too small type filled with typos and not enough pictures, it's still a great read, in particular if you're interested in impact events. It also makes a great gift for your friends of Native American heritage.

PS - Does anyone have any idea of the market for IAF 1992 paperweight plaques? 

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas




      

From meteoriteshow at free.fr  Wed Nov 12 11:13:50 2008
From: meteoriteshow at free.fr (meteoriteshow at free.fr)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:13:50 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - ebay Auctions ending on Saturday
Message-ID: <1226506430.491b00be0d281@imp.free.fr>

Dear fellow Listees,

This saturday our auctions will start ending one hour later than usual but as
soon as next week it will be back to the previous setting.

You can have a look at the list of meteorites that are offered, some of them
still at starting price, by following the link:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmeteoriteshow

Just briefly, here is le list of what you will find:

1- CHERGACH H5 - 37.7g frag. - WITNESSED FALL!
~70% Fusion Crusted fragment weighing 37.7g, dimensions: 39x36x20mm. This was
obviously an oriented individual before fragmentation. There is a big chondrule
visible in the structure.
http://cgi.ebay.com/METEORITE-CHERGACH-H5-37-7g-frag-WITNESSED-FALL_W0QQitemZ330283129302QQihZ014QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

2- DAG 573 L4 - 20.4g full slice
Full slice with fusion crust all around it, displaying nice sharp chondrules and
 one especially big metal flake among many other smaller ones...
http://cgi.ebay.com/METEORITE-DAG-573-L4-20-4g-full-slice_W0QQitemZ330283129414QQihZ014QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

3- HaH299 H6 - 3.8g partslice
Still at starting price of $1, nice small partclice displaying a nice datrk
sharp chondrule in the typical poropus matrix of this meteorite.
http://cgi.ebay.com/METEORITE-HaH299-H6-3-8g-partslice-A_W0QQitemZ330283129500QQihZ014QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

4- ORIENTED NWA OC - FUSION CRUST - 14.7g individual
About 75% crusted, still at starting price of $1...
http://cgi.ebay.com/METEORITE-ORIENTED-NWA-OC-FUSION-CRUST-14-7g-indiv_W0QQitemZ330283129629QQihZ014QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

5- ORIENTED NWA OC - FUSION CRUST - 51.0g indiv
About 90% crusted, with just a chip where it most probably hit the ground at
landing.
http://cgi.ebay.com/METEORITE-ORIENTED-NWA-OC-FUSION-CRUST-51-0g-indiv_W0QQitemZ330283129795QQihZ014QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

6- SAH 02501 EUC - 3.04g endcut
This great eucrite is still at starting price of $1, no reserve!!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/METEORITE-SAH-02501-EUC-3-04g-endcut_W0QQitemZ330283129897QQihZ014QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

7- ZAG H3-6 - 13.4g frag. - WITNESSED FALL!
Still at starting price of $1, with a beautiful slickenside...
http://cgi.ebay.com/METEORITE-ZAG-H3-6-13-4g-frag-WITNESSED-FALL_W0QQitemZ330283129968QQihZ014QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem



From meteoriteshow at free.fr  Wed Nov 12 11:18:39 2008
From: meteoriteshow at free.fr (meteoriteshow at free.fr)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:18:39 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Too quick "send" clicking!
Message-ID: <1226506719.491b01df5daac@imp.free.fr>


Dear All,

Sorry about my previous post that was sent before i even thanked you for reading
it and wishing you good luck!!!

Kind regards
Frederic
www.meteoriteshow.com


From meteoriteplaya at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 12:36:20 2008
From: meteoriteplaya at gmail.com (Mike Jensen)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:36:20 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad Riker style boxes overstock sale
Message-ID: <6f9da8300811120936o6dbb1eb5s537d9b6f3d999113@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All
I accidentally ordered too many of the 145 riker style boxes. These
are the 4" X  5" X  3/4" glass top boxes. In order to help reduce
inventory and pay off some debts I will sell them for a greatly
reduced rate. The least expensive way to ship them is in the USPS flat
rate box. Only 21 will fit in the small box and 33 in the large box. I
will sell them for $1.75 each which is lower than my already low case
price of $1.88 each. As an additional bonus I will cover 1/2 shipping
in the flat rate box in the USA. So total cost with shipping of $41.75
for 21 boxes and $64.25 for 33 boxes.
I will also cover part of the shipping for international orders. So
total cost with shipping of $71.75 for 21 boxes and $101.25 for 33
boxes with lower prices to Canada.
Since I am selling them below my cost I will have to limit these to
just my stock in hand. So if you want one or more make sure you order
it right away. Sorry these prices only apply to the 21 or 33 box order
sizes.
I would also like to reduce my 8" X 12" X 3/4" inventory as well. So
if you need any of these larger boxes let me know and I will make you
a great deal on them as well.

Mike



Mike Jensen Meteorites
16730 E Ada PL
Aurora, CO 80017-3137
USA
720-949-6220
IMCA 4264
website: www.jensenmeteorites.com

From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 12 11:39:03 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:39:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Service Photo request.
In-Reply-To: <41416.72.20.139.135.1226503967.squirrel@webmail.dunklee.net>
Message-ID: <917845.10730.qm@web110211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>


Who are you? Take me off your family list.
Michael Farmer

--- On Wed, 11/12/08, rod at dunklee.net <rod at dunklee.net> wrote:

> From: rod at dunklee.net <rod at dunklee.net>
> Subject: Service Photo request.
> To: "Jerry Dunklee" <dunkleej1 at southernct.edu>
> Cc: "sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com" <sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com>, "american_meteorite_survey at yahoo.com" <american_meteorite_survey at yahoo.com>, "americas at imca.cc" <americas at imca.cc>, "Michael L Blood" <mlblood at cox.net>, "bonnie" <bonn9hrr at aol.com>, "bubbles0764040 at yahoo.com" <bubbles0764040 at yahoo.com>, "clp at alumni.caltech.edu" <clp at alumni.caltech.edu>, "janice combs" <cherokee_lady_72433 at yahoo.com>, "mike crase" <mike at kkountry.com>, "Mike Crase" <mikeradio2003 at yahoo.com>, "sarah d" <sdunklee58 at hotmail.com>, "darren" <cynapse at charter.net>, "Jane Dawson" <sexy_blue_eyes56 at yahoo.com>, "Ken Dunklee" <razor75 at juno.com>, "donald Dunklee" <organicgrower at earthlink.net>, "jeremiah dunklee" <jeremiah.dunklee at gmail.com>, "Tracy Dunklee" <tdunklee72520 at yahoo.com>, "Mr EMan" <mstreman53 at yahoo.com>, "mineral enquiries" <mineral-enquiries at nhm.ac.uk>, "falling_star_woman at sbcglobal.net" <falling_star_woman at sbcglobal.net>, "michael farmer" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>, "Gerald
 Flaherty" <grf2 at verizon.net>, "Mike Fowler" <mqfowler at mac.com>, "GeoZay at aol.com" <geozay at aol.com>, "michael groetz" <mcgroetz at isp.com>, "Jeff Grossman" <jgrossman at usgs.gov>, "Dave Harris" <entropydave at ntlworld.com>, "Charlie Hinds" <quacker1014 at yahoo.com>, "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites at comcast.net>, "impactika at aol.com" <impactika at aol.com>, "jeremiah" <twistedfreak72520 at yahoo.com>, "keith10067 at yahoo.com" <keith10067 at yahoo.com>, "david Kenefick" <dp.kenefick at verizon.net>, "kevin" <kevindunklee at aol.com>, "randy korotev" <korotev at wustl.edu>, "Norm Lehrman" <nlehrman at nvbell.net>, "Karen Lody" <karenl0204 at yahoo.com>, "howard Mclean" <wyousmc495 at cs.com>, "mel" <melbalawson47 at yahoo.com>, "meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>, "meteorite at amsmeteors.org" <meteorite at amsmeteors.org>, "meteorite at kingsborough.edu" <meteorite at kingsborough.edu>, "mom" <georgene60 at yahoo.com>, "Rick Moore" <rickettanddianne at yahoo.com>, "Michael Murray"
 <mmurray at montrose.net>, "ken newton" <magellon at earthlink.net>, "oneproudmom98 at yahoo.com" <oneproudmom98 at yahoo.com>, "DAWN PERKINS" <dperki1 at msn.com>, "tammy pollard" <tammy_pollard at hotmail.com>, "ravenbeauty1 at earthlink.net" <ravenbeauty1 at earthlink.net>, "resumes at ozarkradionetwork.com" <resumes at ozarkradionetwork.com>, "rockgirlsrock at msn.com" <rockgirlsrock at msn.com>, "rod at dunklee.net" <rod at dunklee.net>, "ron at jpl.nasa.gov" <ron at jpl.nasa.gov>, "sgtsudol at yahoo.com" <sgtsudol at yahoo.com>, "sheila" <emerald72512 at yahoo.com>, "Peggy Underwood" <peggy at kkountry.com>, "us" <dunklee72520 at centurytel.net>, "David Weir" <dgweir at earthlink.net>, "Jason Wood" <jasonwood at uslm.com>
> Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 8:32 AM
> We are doing a salute to Veterans at Amy's school. Any
> chance either of
> you have a photo from your military service days that you
> could email to
> me?
> 
> Hope all is well.
> 
> Rod

From entropydave at ntlworld.com  Wed Nov 12 12:49:41 2008
From: entropydave at ntlworld.com (Dave Harris)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:49:41 -0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Service Photo request.
References: <C52DD738.5EEA%dunkleej1@southernct.edu>
	<41416.72.20.139.135.1226503967.squirrel@webmail.dunklee.net>
Message-ID: <48E82D5382764A17BC5CD0E1FA8AF7A4@pitstoppc>

Why am I on this list.
remove me NOW

dave
IMCA #0092
Sec.BIMS.
www.bimsociety.org

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rod at dunklee.net>
To: "Jerry Dunklee" <dunkleej1 at southernct.edu>
Cc: <sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com>; <american_meteorite_survey at yahoo.com>; 
<americas at imca.cc>; "Michael L Blood" <mlblood at cox.net>; "bonnie" 
<bonn9hrr at aol.com>; <bubbles0764040 at yahoo.com>; <clp at alumni.caltech.edu>; 
"janice combs" <cherokee_lady_72433 at yahoo.com>; "mike crase" 
<mike at kkountry.com>; "Mike Crase" <mikeradio2003 at yahoo.com>; "sarah d" 
<sdunklee58 at hotmail.com>; "darren" <cynapse at charter.net>; "Jane Dawson" 
<sexy_blue_eyes56 at yahoo.com>; "Ken Dunklee" <razor75 at juno.com>; "donald 
Dunklee" <organicgrower at earthlink.net>; "jeremiah dunklee" 
<jeremiah.dunklee at gmail.com>; "Tracy Dunklee" <tdunklee72520 at yahoo.com>; "Mr 
EMan" <mstreman53 at yahoo.com>; "mineral enquiries" 
<mineral-enquiries at nhm.ac.uk>; <falling_star_woman at sbcglobal.net>; "michael 
farmer" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>; "Gerald Flaherty" <grf2 at verizon.net>; 
"Mike Fowler" <mqfowler at mac.com>; "GeoZay at aol.com" <geozay at aol.com>; 
"michael groetz" <mcgroetz at isp.com>; "Jeff Grossman" <jgrossman at usgs.gov>; 
"Dave Harris" <entropydave at ntlworld.com>; "Charlie Hinds" 
<quacker1014 at yahoo.com>; "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites at comcast.net>; 
<impactika at aol.com>; "jeremiah" <twistedfreak72520 at yahoo.com>; 
<keith10067 at yahoo.com>; "david Kenefick" <dp.kenefick at verizon.net>; "kevin" 
<kevindunklee at aol.com>; "randy korotev" <korotev at wustl.edu>; "Norm Lehrman" 
<nlehrman at nvbell.net>; "Karen Lody" <karenl0204 at yahoo.com>; "howard Mclean" 
<wyousmc495 at cs.com>; "mel" <melbalawson47 at yahoo.com>; 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; <meteorite at amsmeteors.org>; 
<meteorite at kingsborough.edu>; "mom" <georgene60 at yahoo.com>; "Rick Moore" 
<rickettanddianne at yahoo.com>; "Michael Murray" <mmurray at montrose.net>; "ken 
newton" <magellon at earthlink.net>; <oneproudmom98 at yahoo.com>; "DAWN PERKINS" 
<dperki1 at msn.com>; "tammy pollard" <tammy_pollard at hotmail.com>; 
<ravenbeauty1 at earthlink.net>; <resumes at ozarkradionetwork.com>; 
<rockgirlsrock at msn.com>; <rod at dunklee.net>; <ron at jpl.nasa.gov>; 
<sgtsudol at yahoo.com>; "sheila" <emerald72512 at yahoo.com>; "Peggy Underwood" 
<peggy at kkountry.com>; "us" <dunklee72520 at centurytel.net>; "David Weir" 
<dgweir at earthlink.net>; "Jason Wood" <jasonwood at uslm.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 3:32 PM
Subject: Service Photo request.


> We are doing a salute to Veterans at Amy's school. Any chance either of
> you have a photo from your military service days that you could email to
> me?
>
> Hope all is well.
>
> Rod
> 


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Wed Nov 12 13:46:51 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:46:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Dust Storm Cuts Energy Supply of NASA Mars Rover
	Spirit
Message-ID: <200811121846.KAA21615@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2008-206  

Dust Storm Cuts Energy Supply of NASA Mars Rover Spirit
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
November 10, 2008

PASADENA, Calif. -- A dust storm on Mars has cut into the amount of
sunlight reaching the solar array on NASA's Mars Exploration Rover
Spirit, leaving the rover in a vulnerable state.

Spirit's solar array produced only 89 watt hours of energy during the
rover's 1,725th Martian day, which ended on Nov. 9. This is the lowest
output by either Spirit or its twin, Opportunity, in their nearly five
years on Mars, and much less energy than Spirit needs each day. The
charge level of Spirit's batteries is dropping so low, it risks
triggering an automated response of the rover trying to protect itself.

"The best chance for survival for Spirit is for us to maintain sequence
control of the rover, as opposed to it going into automated fault
protection," said John Callas of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory,
Pasadena, Calif., project manager for Spirit and Opportunity.

Mission controllers are commanding Spirit to turn off some heaters,
including one that protects a science instrument, the miniature thermal
emission spectrometer, and take other measures to reduce energy
consumption. The commands will tell Spirit not to try communicating
again until Thursday. While pursuing that strategy the team also plans
to listen to Spirit frequently during the next few days to detect
signals the rover might send if it does go into a low-energy fault
protection mode.

Mars weather forecasts suggest the dust storm may be clearing now or in
the next few days. However, the dust falling from the sky onto Spirit's
solar array panels also could leave a lingering reduction in the amount
of electricity the rover can produce.

JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology, Pasadena,
manages the Mars Exploration Rover project for the NASA Science Mission
Directorate, Washington.

Guy Webster
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
818-354-6278
guy.webster at jpl.nasa.gov

2008-206


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Wed Nov 12 13:51:02 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:51:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Dusty Shock Waves Generate Planet Ingredients
	(Spitzer)
Message-ID: <200811121851.KAA23037@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2008-207  

Dusty Shock Waves Generate Planet Ingredients
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
November 11, 2008

Shock waves around dusty, young stars might be creating the raw
materials for planets, according to new observations from NASA's Spitzer
Space Telescope.

The evidence comes in the form of tiny crystals. Spitzer detected
crystals similar in make-up to quartz around young stars just beginning
to form planets. The crystals, called cristobalite and tridymite, are
known to reside in comets, in volcanic lava flows on Earth, and in some
meteorites that land on Earth.

Astronomers already knew that crystallized dust grains stick together to
form larger particles, which later lump together to form planets. But
they were surprised to find cristobalite and tridymite. What's so
special about these particular crystals? They require flash heating
events, such as shock waves, to form.

The findings suggest that the same kinds of shock waves that cause sonic
booms from speeding jets are responsible for creating the stuff of
planets throughout the universe.

"By studying these other star systems, we can learn about the very
beginnings of our own planets 4.6 billion years ago," said William
Forrest of the University of Rochester, N.Y. "Spitzer has given us a
better idea of how the raw materials of planets are produced very early
on." Forrest and University of Rochester graduate student Ben Sargent
led the research, to appear in the Astrophysical Journal.

Planets are born out of swirling pancake-like disks of dust and gas that
surround young stars. They start out as mere grains of dust swimming
around in a disk of gas and dust, before lumping together to form
full-fledged planets. During the early stages of planet development, the
dust grains crystallize and adhere together, while the disk itself
starts to settle and flatten. This occurs in the first millions of years
of a star's life.

When Forrest and his colleagues used Spitzer to examine five young
planet-forming disks about 400 light-years away, they detected the
signature of silica crystals. Silica is made of only silicon and oxygen
and is the main ingredient in glass. When melted and crystallized, it
can make the large hexagonal quartz crystals often sold as mystical
tokens. When heated to even higher temperatures, it can also form small
crystals like those commonly found around volcanoes.

It is this high-temperature form of silica crystals, specifically
cristobalite and tridymite, that Forrest's team found in planet-forming
disks around other stars for the first time. "Cristobalite and tridymite
are essentially high-temperature forms of quartz," said Sargent. "If you
heat quartz crystals, you'll get these compounds."

In fact, the crystals require temperatures as high as 1,220 Kelvin
(about 1,740 degrees Fahrenheit) to form. But young planet-forming disks
are only about 100 to 1,000 Kelvin (about minus 280 degrees Fahrenheit
to 1,340 Fahrenheit) -- too cold to make the crystals. Because the
crystals require heating followed by rapid cooling to form, astronomers
theorized that shock waves could be the cause.

Shock waves, or supersonic waves of pressure, are thought to be created
in planet-forming disks when clouds of gas swirling around at high
speeds collide. Some theorists think that shock waves might also
accompany the formation of giant planets.

The findings are in agreement with local evidence from our own solar
system. Spherical pebbles, called chondrules, found in ancient
meteorites that fell to Earth are also thought to have been crystallized
by shock waves in our solar system's young planet-forming disk. In
addition, NASA's Stardust mission found tridymite minerals in comet Wild 2.

Other authors of the paper include C. Tayrien, M.K. McClure, A.R. Basu,
P. Mano, Dan Watson, C.J. Bohac, K.H. Kim and J.D. Green of the
University of Rochester; A Li of the University of Missouri, Columbia;
E. Furlan of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., and
G.C. Sloan of Cornell University, Ithaca, N.Y.

JPL manages the Spitzer Space Telescope mission for NASA's Science
Mission Directorate, Washington. Science operations are conducted at the
Spitzer Science Center at the California Institute of Technology, also
in Pasadena. Caltech manages JPL for NASA. Spitzer's infrared
spectrograph, which made the observations, was built by Cornell
University, Ithaca, N.Y. Its development was led by Jim Houck of Cornell.

More information about Spitzer is at
http://www.spitzer.caltech.edu/spitzer and http://www.nasa.gov/spitzer .
More information about exoplanets and NASA's planet-finding program is
at http://planetquest.jpl.nasa.gov .

Media contact: Whitney Clavin 818-354-4673
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
whitney.clavin at jpl.nasa.gov

2008-207


From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 12 18:21:11 2008
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:21:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] (AD) TRADE OFFER
Message-ID: <483416.8680.qm@web57807.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi list.I have 3 item up for trade interested.I have 2 glorieta siderite slice that have been nicely etched and a a slice of chico impact melt.The 2 glorieta's are 35 and 18 grams.The chicao is 17 grams.Nice sikote-alins or any LL3 types.Offlist please.

Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/


      

From bobadebt at ec.rr.com  Wed Nov 12 18:59:05 2008
From: bobadebt at ec.rr.com (David & Kitt Deyarmin)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:59:05 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Zag available in Wholesale lots
Message-ID: <42FECFFFC37E400EA241A667078F4C50@David>

I have 600+ grams of Zag available for wholesale

There are some very large slices and all have awesome brecciation

If you're interested in all of it or a small lot please visit this link and 
to see what's available.

http://home.ec.rr.com/bobadebt/Rocks/FS%20Zag.htm

Once you have selected the pieces you're interested in, email a reasonable 
offer to bobadebt at ec.rr.com

Thanks 


From mlblood at cox.net  Wed Nov 12 18:30:04 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:30:04 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Service Photo request.
In-Reply-To: <48E82D5382764A17BC5CD0E1FA8AF7A4@pitstoppc>
Message-ID: <C540A6FC.1BE55%mlblood@cox.net>

Please remove me, as well. Michael Blood ( mlblood at cox.net )

on 11/12/08 9:49 AM, Dave Harris at entropydave at ntlworld.com wrote:

> Why am I on this list.
> remove me NOW
> 
> dave
> IMCA #0092
> Sec.BIMS.
> www.bimsociety.org
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <rod at dunklee.net>
> To: "Jerry Dunklee" <dunkleej1 at southernct.edu>
> Cc: <sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com>; <american_meteorite_survey at yahoo.com>;
> <americas at imca.cc>; "Michael L Blood" <mlblood at cox.net>; "bonnie"
> <bonn9hrr at aol.com>; <bubbles0764040 at yahoo.com>; <clp at alumni.caltech.edu>;
> "janice combs" <cherokee_lady_72433 at yahoo.com>; "mike crase"
> <mike at kkountry.com>; "Mike Crase" <mikeradio2003 at yahoo.com>; "sarah d"
> <sdunklee58 at hotmail.com>; "darren" <cynapse at charter.net>; "Jane Dawson"
> <sexy_blue_eyes56 at yahoo.com>; "Ken Dunklee" <razor75 at juno.com>; "donald
> Dunklee" <organicgrower at earthlink.net>; "jeremiah dunklee"
> <jeremiah.dunklee at gmail.com>; "Tracy Dunklee" <tdunklee72520 at yahoo.com>; "Mr
> EMan" <mstreman53 at yahoo.com>; "mineral enquiries"
> <mineral-enquiries at nhm.ac.uk>; <falling_star_woman at sbcglobal.net>; "michael
> farmer" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>; "Gerald Flaherty" <grf2 at verizon.net>;
> "Mike Fowler" <mqfowler at mac.com>; "GeoZay at aol.com" <geozay at aol.com>;
> "michael groetz" <mcgroetz at isp.com>; "Jeff Grossman" <jgrossman at usgs.gov>;
> "Dave Harris" <entropydave at ntlworld.com>; "Charlie Hinds"
> <quacker1014 at yahoo.com>; "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites at comcast.net>;
> <impactika at aol.com>; "jeremiah" <twistedfreak72520 at yahoo.com>;
> <keith10067 at yahoo.com>; "david Kenefick" <dp.kenefick at verizon.net>; "kevin"
> <kevindunklee at aol.com>; "randy korotev" <korotev at wustl.edu>; "Norm Lehrman"
> <nlehrman at nvbell.net>; "Karen Lody" <karenl0204 at yahoo.com>; "howard Mclean"
> <wyousmc495 at cs.com>; "mel" <melbalawson47 at yahoo.com>;
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; <meteorite at amsmeteors.org>;
> <meteorite at kingsborough.edu>; "mom" <georgene60 at yahoo.com>; "Rick Moore"
> <rickettanddianne at yahoo.com>; "Michael Murray" <mmurray at montrose.net>; "ken
> newton" <magellon at earthlink.net>; <oneproudmom98 at yahoo.com>; "DAWN PERKINS"
> <dperki1 at msn.com>; "tammy pollard" <tammy_pollard at hotmail.com>;
> <ravenbeauty1 at earthlink.net>; <resumes at ozarkradionetwork.com>;
> <rockgirlsrock at msn.com>; <rod at dunklee.net>; <ron at jpl.nasa.gov>;
> <sgtsudol at yahoo.com>; "sheila" <emerald72512 at yahoo.com>; "Peggy Underwood"
> <peggy at kkountry.com>; "us" <dunklee72520 at centurytel.net>; "David Weir"
> <dgweir at earthlink.net>; "Jason Wood" <jasonwood at uslm.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 3:32 PM
> Subject: Service Photo request.
> 
> 
>> We are doing a salute to Veterans at Amy's school. Any chance either of
>> you have a photo from your military service days that you could email to
>> me?
>> 
>> Hope all is well.
>> 
>> Rod
>> 
> 

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From grf2 at verizon.net  Wed Nov 12 19:39:31 2008
From: grf2 at verizon.net (Jerry Flaherty)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:39:31 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Service Photo request.
References: <C52DD738.5EEA%dunkleej1@southernct.edu>
	<41416.72.20.139.135.1226503967.squirrel@webmail.dunklee.net>
Message-ID: <8B7F3FA8BE9543A7AC0B9CBB8351CF54@ASUS>

REMOVE ME!!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rod at dunklee.net>
To: "Jerry Dunklee" <dunkleej1 at southernct.edu>
Cc: <sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com>; <american_meteorite_survey at yahoo.com>; 
<americas at imca.cc>; "Michael L Blood" <mlblood at cox.net>; "bonnie" 
<bonn9hrr at aol.com>; <bubbles0764040 at yahoo.com>; <clp at alumni.caltech.edu>; 
"janice combs" <cherokee_lady_72433 at yahoo.com>; "mike crase" 
<mike at kkountry.com>; "Mike Crase" <mikeradio2003 at yahoo.com>; "sarah d" 
<sdunklee58 at hotmail.com>; "darren" <cynapse at charter.net>; "Jane Dawson" 
<sexy_blue_eyes56 at yahoo.com>; "Ken Dunklee" <razor75 at juno.com>; "donald 
Dunklee" <organicgrower at earthlink.net>; "jeremiah dunklee" 
<jeremiah.dunklee at gmail.com>; "Tracy Dunklee" <tdunklee72520 at yahoo.com>; "Mr 
EMan" <mstreman53 at yahoo.com>; "mineral enquiries" 
<mineral-enquiries at nhm.ac.uk>; <falling_star_woman at sbcglobal.net>; "michael 
farmer" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>; "Gerald Flaherty" <grf2 at verizon.net>; 
"Mike Fowler" <mqfowler at mac.com>; "GeoZay at aol.com" <geozay at aol.com>; 
"michael groetz" <mcgroetz at isp.com>; "Jeff Grossman" <jgrossman at usgs.gov>; 
"Dave Harris" <entropydave at ntlworld.com>; "Charlie Hinds" 
<quacker1014 at yahoo.com>; "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites at comcast.net>; 
<impactika at aol.com>; "jeremiah" <twistedfreak72520 at yahoo.com>; 
<keith10067 at yahoo.com>; "david Kenefick" <dp.kenefick at verizon.net>; "kevin" 
<kevindunklee at aol.com>; "randy korotev" <korotev at wustl.edu>; "Norm Lehrman" 
<nlehrman at nvbell.net>; "Karen Lody" <karenl0204 at yahoo.com>; "howard Mclean" 
<wyousmc495 at cs.com>; "mel" <melbalawson47 at yahoo.com>; 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; <meteorite at amsmeteors.org>; 
<meteorite at kingsborough.edu>; "mom" <georgene60 at yahoo.com>; "Rick Moore" 
<rickettanddianne at yahoo.com>; "Michael Murray" <mmurray at montrose.net>; "ken 
newton" <magellon at earthlink.net>; <oneproudmom98 at yahoo.com>; "DAWN PERKINS" 
<dperki1 at msn.com>; "tammy pollard" <tammy_pollard at hotmail.com>; 
<ravenbeauty1 at earthlink.net>; <resumes at ozarkradionetwork.com>; 
<rockgirlsrock at msn.com>; <rod at dunklee.net>; <ron at jpl.nasa.gov>; 
<sgtsudol at yahoo.com>; "sheila" <emerald72512 at yahoo.com>; "Peggy Underwood" 
<peggy at kkountry.com>; "us" <dunklee72520 at centurytel.net>; "David Weir" 
<dgweir at earthlink.net>; "Jason Wood" <jasonwood at uslm.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:32 AM
Subject: Service Photo request.


> We are doing a salute to Veterans at Amy's school. Any chance either of
> you have a photo from your military service days that you could email to
> me?
>
> Hope all is well.
>
> Rod
> 


From fuzzfoot at comcast.net  Wed Nov 12 20:27:31 2008
From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:27:31 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Old Holbrook Photo - Info Requested
Message-ID: <20081113012736.E122D10531@mailwash5.pair.com>

Since Holbrook was being discussed recently, it reminded me of something. I
purchased this interesting and original photograph of Holbrook stones. The
owner of the photograph alleged that it was an original used to illustrate
one of the Ward-Coonley Meteorite catalogs, but I do not own any of them and
cannot verify this. The only Ward-Coonley catalog I can find online was
printed a decade before Holbrook fell, so this may not be true.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/Holbrook.jpg

Does anyone recognize this photo? It appears that gravel was placed on a
white cloth and the stones set in place to illustrate a meteorite
strewnfield.

Additional info: the number 11466 was etched on the original negative. And
'1/10 Diam.' was physically typed on the photo itself. Judging by the scale
of other objects in the photo, I would guess the largest stone in this photo
is 4-6 inches wide.

Input is appreciated!

Mike Bandli



From rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com  Wed Nov 12 23:58:19 2008
From: rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com (Rob Wesel)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:58:19 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] A new way to catalog your irons
Message-ID: <292501c9454c$729b2110$6501a8c0@windows9bb74fe>

Can't get 'em mixed up with this method

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=400008596141

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http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
------------------
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and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
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From john.exarhou at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 02:39:37 2008
From: john.exarhou at gmail.com (John Exarhou)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:39:37 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Unknown Meteor Crater Discovered in Greece ?
Message-ID: <2626ccf80811122339m44baaa59u57b9414f2772ec7d@mail.gmail.com>

Goodday to all,

Greek Oceanographers have discovered what they suspect to be a meteor
crater in the bottom of the Aegean Sea. The crater is 100 meters in
diameter and 50 meters in depth. It is located in an area between the
island of Evia and continental  Greece. They say that the crater could
not have been caused by either volcanic or seismic activity in this
area. They mentioned that the crater was formed sometime in the Ice
Age when the specifigc area was not submerged and the water level was
150 lower than what it is today.

The scientists have not revealed the exact position of their find
since they want to protect its environment from overfishing. They say
that inside the crater they have discovered a vast variety of sea life
" a paradise of sea life"  as they called it.

John Exarhou
Athens, GREECE

IMCA 1250

From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 13 04:13:14 2008
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 01:13:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Greek Crater
Message-ID: <540847.70810.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi - 

I first heard about this last year at Christmas, but its been under wraps.

I never gave much thought to the fact that global sea levels were lower before 10,900 BCE, and rose afterwards, in terms of what this meant for the Mediterranean. The big question has always been the opening of the Dardanelles, and the date for the Black Sea flooding, but this changes things...

The big one in the Mediterranean was the impact of a fragment of Encke ca 2,360 BCE that pretty much wiped out man on Malta, in the sense of gone, disappeared, killed, dead, extinct, etc...  The RC dates for this catastrophe match with the Mayan date for Rio Cuarto, which matches with the tree ring date, which matches with the RC date, etc...

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas 


      

From dave at fallingrocks.com  Wed Nov 12 20:27:08 2008
From: dave at fallingrocks.com (Dave Gheesling)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:27:08 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Service Photo request.
In-Reply-To: <8B7F3FA8BE9543A7AC0B9CBB8351CF54@ASUS>
References: <C52DD738.5EEA%dunkleej1@southernct.edu><41416.72.20.139.135.1226503967.squirrel@webmail.dunklee.net>
	<8B7F3FA8BE9543A7AC0B9CBB8351CF54@ASUS>
Message-ID: <36CFD643F4F7402198F80E68418DC1D5@meteorroom>

I'm not even on the distribution list, but these removal requests keep
pouring in...REMOVE ME AS WELL. 

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jerry
Flaherty
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 7:40 PM
To: rod at dunklee.net; Jerry Dunklee
Cc: bubbles0764040 at yahoo.com; oneproudmom98 at yahoo.com; impactika at aol.com;
jeremiah dunklee; Norm Lehrman; mel; rockgirlsrock at msn.com; janice combs;
sgtsudol at yahoo.com; donald Dunklee; Michael L Blood; Tracy Dunklee; David
Weir; rod at dunklee.net; DAWN PERKINS; Jane Dawson;
meteorite at kingsborough.edu; ken newton; Ken Dunklee; americas at imca.cc; david
Kenefick; mineral enquiries; tammy pollard; Mike Crase; bonnie;
keith10067 at yahoo.com; Rick Moore; Mike Fowler; meteorite at amsmeteors.org;
GeoZay at aol.com; ron at jpl.nasa.gov; falling_star_woman at sbcglobal.net;
resumes at ozarkradionetwork.com; american_meteorite_survey at yahoo.com; Peggy
Underwood; Jeff Grossman; ravenbeauty1 at earthlink.net; Jason Wood; kevin;
howard Mclean; mike crase; michael groetz; sheila; Adam Hupe; Charlie Hinds;
meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com; us; mom; michael farmer; jeremiah; Dave
Harris; Karen Lody; sarah d
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Service Photo request.

REMOVE ME!!
----- Original Message -----
From: <rod at dunklee.net>
To: "Jerry Dunklee" <dunkleej1 at southernct.edu>
Cc: <sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com>; <american_meteorite_survey at yahoo.com>;
<americas at imca.cc>; "Michael L Blood" <mlblood at cox.net>; "bonnie" 
<bonn9hrr at aol.com>; <bubbles0764040 at yahoo.com>; <clp at alumni.caltech.edu>;
"janice combs" <cherokee_lady_72433 at yahoo.com>; "mike crase" 
<mike at kkountry.com>; "Mike Crase" <mikeradio2003 at yahoo.com>; "sarah d" 
<sdunklee58 at hotmail.com>; "darren" <cynapse at charter.net>; "Jane Dawson" 
<sexy_blue_eyes56 at yahoo.com>; "Ken Dunklee" <razor75 at juno.com>; "donald
Dunklee" <organicgrower at earthlink.net>; "jeremiah dunklee" 
<jeremiah.dunklee at gmail.com>; "Tracy Dunklee" <tdunklee72520 at yahoo.com>; "Mr
EMan" <mstreman53 at yahoo.com>; "mineral enquiries" 
<mineral-enquiries at nhm.ac.uk>; <falling_star_woman at sbcglobal.net>; "michael
farmer" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>; "Gerald Flaherty" <grf2 at verizon.net>;
"Mike Fowler" <mqfowler at mac.com>; "GeoZay at aol.com" <geozay at aol.com>;
"michael groetz" <mcgroetz at isp.com>; "Jeff Grossman" <jgrossman at usgs.gov>;
"Dave Harris" <entropydave at ntlworld.com>; "Charlie Hinds" 
<quacker1014 at yahoo.com>; "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites at comcast.net>;
<impactika at aol.com>; "jeremiah" <twistedfreak72520 at yahoo.com>;
<keith10067 at yahoo.com>; "david Kenefick" <dp.kenefick at verizon.net>; "kevin" 
<kevindunklee at aol.com>; "randy korotev" <korotev at wustl.edu>; "Norm Lehrman" 
<nlehrman at nvbell.net>; "Karen Lody" <karenl0204 at yahoo.com>; "howard Mclean" 
<wyousmc495 at cs.com>; "mel" <melbalawson47 at yahoo.com>;
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; <meteorite at amsmeteors.org>;
<meteorite at kingsborough.edu>; "mom" <georgene60 at yahoo.com>; "Rick Moore" 
<rickettanddianne at yahoo.com>; "Michael Murray" <mmurray at montrose.net>; "ken
newton" <magellon at earthlink.net>; <oneproudmom98 at yahoo.com>; "DAWN PERKINS" 
<dperki1 at msn.com>; "tammy pollard" <tammy_pollard at hotmail.com>;
<ravenbeauty1 at earthlink.net>; <resumes at ozarkradionetwork.com>;
<rockgirlsrock at msn.com>; <rod at dunklee.net>; <ron at jpl.nasa.gov>;
<sgtsudol at yahoo.com>; "sheila" <emerald72512 at yahoo.com>; "Peggy Underwood" 
<peggy at kkountry.com>; "us" <dunklee72520 at centurytel.net>; "David Weir" 
<dgweir at earthlink.net>; "Jason Wood" <jasonwood at uslm.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:32 AM
Subject: Service Photo request.


> We are doing a salute to Veterans at Amy's school. Any chance either 
> of you have a photo from your military service days that you could 
> email to me?
>
> Hope all is well.
>
> Rod
> 

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From mlblood at cox.net  Wed Nov 12 21:12:13 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:12:13 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Service Photo request.
In-Reply-To: <36CFD643F4F7402198F80E68418DC1D5@meteorroom>
Message-ID: <C540CCFD.1BE80%mlblood@cox.net>

Take me on a vacation to Hawii !

on 11/12/08 5:27 PM, Dave Gheesling at dave at fallingrocks.com wrote:

> I'm not even on the distribution list, but these removal requests keep
> pouring in...REMOVE ME AS WELL.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jerry
> Flaherty
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 7:40 PM
> To: rod at dunklee.net; Jerry Dunklee
> Cc: bubbles0764040 at yahoo.com; oneproudmom98 at yahoo.com; impactika at aol.com;
> jeremiah dunklee; Norm Lehrman; mel; rockgirlsrock at msn.com; janice combs;
> sgtsudol at yahoo.com; donald Dunklee; Michael L Blood; Tracy Dunklee; David
> Weir; rod at dunklee.net; DAWN PERKINS; Jane Dawson;
> meteorite at kingsborough.edu; ken newton; Ken Dunklee; americas at imca.cc; david
> Kenefick; mineral enquiries; tammy pollard; Mike Crase; bonnie;
> keith10067 at yahoo.com; Rick Moore; Mike Fowler; meteorite at amsmeteors.org;
> GeoZay at aol.com; ron at jpl.nasa.gov; falling_star_woman at sbcglobal.net;
> resumes at ozarkradionetwork.com; american_meteorite_survey at yahoo.com; Peggy
> Underwood; Jeff Grossman; ravenbeauty1 at earthlink.net; Jason Wood; kevin;
> howard Mclean; mike crase; michael groetz; sheila; Adam Hupe; Charlie Hinds;
> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com; us; mom; michael farmer; jeremiah; Dave
> Harris; Karen Lody; sarah d
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Service Photo request.
> 
> REMOVE ME!!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <rod at dunklee.net>
> To: "Jerry Dunklee" <dunkleej1 at southernct.edu>
> Cc: <sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com>; <american_meteorite_survey at yahoo.com>;
> <americas at imca.cc>; "Michael L Blood" <mlblood at cox.net>; "bonnie"
> <bonn9hrr at aol.com>; <bubbles0764040 at yahoo.com>; <clp at alumni.caltech.edu>;
> "janice combs" <cherokee_lady_72433 at yahoo.com>; "mike crase"
> <mike at kkountry.com>; "Mike Crase" <mikeradio2003 at yahoo.com>; "sarah d"
> <sdunklee58 at hotmail.com>; "darren" <cynapse at charter.net>; "Jane Dawson"
> <sexy_blue_eyes56 at yahoo.com>; "Ken Dunklee" <razor75 at juno.com>; "donald
> Dunklee" <organicgrower at earthlink.net>; "jeremiah dunklee"
> <jeremiah.dunklee at gmail.com>; "Tracy Dunklee" <tdunklee72520 at yahoo.com>; "Mr
> EMan" <mstreman53 at yahoo.com>; "mineral enquiries"
> <mineral-enquiries at nhm.ac.uk>; <falling_star_woman at sbcglobal.net>; "michael
> farmer" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>; "Gerald Flaherty" <grf2 at verizon.net>;
> "Mike Fowler" <mqfowler at mac.com>; "GeoZay at aol.com" <geozay at aol.com>;
> "michael groetz" <mcgroetz at isp.com>; "Jeff Grossman" <jgrossman at usgs.gov>;
> "Dave Harris" <entropydave at ntlworld.com>; "Charlie Hinds"
> <quacker1014 at yahoo.com>; "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites at comcast.net>;
> <impactika at aol.com>; "jeremiah" <twistedfreak72520 at yahoo.com>;
> <keith10067 at yahoo.com>; "david Kenefick" <dp.kenefick at verizon.net>; "kevin"
> <kevindunklee at aol.com>; "randy korotev" <korotev at wustl.edu>; "Norm Lehrman"
> <nlehrman at nvbell.net>; "Karen Lody" <karenl0204 at yahoo.com>; "howard Mclean"
> <wyousmc495 at cs.com>; "mel" <melbalawson47 at yahoo.com>;
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; <meteorite at amsmeteors.org>;
> <meteorite at kingsborough.edu>; "mom" <georgene60 at yahoo.com>; "Rick Moore"
> <rickettanddianne at yahoo.com>; "Michael Murray" <mmurray at montrose.net>; "ken
> newton" <magellon at earthlink.net>; <oneproudmom98 at yahoo.com>; "DAWN PERKINS"
> <dperki1 at msn.com>; "tammy pollard" <tammy_pollard at hotmail.com>;
> <ravenbeauty1 at earthlink.net>; <resumes at ozarkradionetwork.com>;
> <rockgirlsrock at msn.com>; <rod at dunklee.net>; <ron at jpl.nasa.gov>;
> <sgtsudol at yahoo.com>; "sheila" <emerald72512 at yahoo.com>; "Peggy Underwood"
> <peggy at kkountry.com>; "us" <dunklee72520 at centurytel.net>; "David Weir"
> <dgweir at earthlink.net>; "Jason Wood" <jasonwood at uslm.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:32 AM
> Subject: Service Photo request.
> 
> 
>> We are doing a salute to Veterans at Amy's school. Any chance either
>> of you have a photo from your military service days that you could
>> email to me?
>> 
>> Hope all is well.
>> 
>> Rod
>> 
> 
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From mpg444 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 13 12:50:16 2008
From: mpg444 at yahoo.com (Mike Groetz)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:50:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: Don't even open or answer service photo
	request emails
Message-ID: <773238.18798.qm@web33001.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

   If you do- you are only passing it on to others in your mailbox.

   As to the originator- just check the emails in the meteorite archives (this will keep it out of your mailbox)and the last name of the sender. Sound familiar from the O'bama emails a couple weeks ago?

   I have everything from that sender (and all with the same last name)  blocked from coming in- I would suggest you do the same. Answering in frustration only continues the chain to others on the list.

Mike 


      

From gmhupe at htn.net  Thu Nov 13 13:14:26 2008
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:14:26 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: Don't even open or answer service
	photorequest emails
References: <773238.18798.qm@web33001.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9088856E704C4EA9BBC0B2B493538B41@Gregor>

HI Mike,

I agree! I never received the original email but have been getting everyone 
else's "Remove Me" emails because they "Reply All". If someone insists on 
replying, just reply to the sender who sent it to you. We get enough Spam 
without having to delete these obvious emails.

As Michael Blood would say, "Do Not Feed The Ducks". In this case, whoever 
the original sender was, obvious Spammer!!

Best regards,
Greg

====================
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gmhupe at htn.net
www.LunarRock.com
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====================
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Groetz" <mpg444 at yahoo.com>
To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:50 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: Don't even open or answer service photorequest 
emails


>   If you do- you are only passing it on to others in your mailbox.
>
>   As to the originator- just check the emails in the meteorite archives 
> (this will keep it out of your mailbox)and the last name of the sender. 
> Sound familiar from the O'bama emails a couple weeks ago?
>
>   I have everything from that sender (and all with the same last name) 
> blocked from coming in- I would suggest you do the same. Answering in 
> frustration only continues the chain to others on the list.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> 



From joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com  Thu Nov 13 13:38:59 2008
From: joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com (JoshuaTreeMuseum)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:38:59 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] test
Message-ID: <34085C5F82AC435485C5D7100995CE92@ET>

Hi all!  Just seeing if this thing is on.  I've been setting my email format 
to plain text, but my posts still don't show up. 


From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 13 14:34:01 2008
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:34:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD : Trinitite - Atomite - Alamogordo Glass - Bulk
	Lots
In-Reply-To: <mailman.41.1226595666.81913.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <253977.95417.qm@web58404.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi Folks!

While not a meteorite, it can be argued that Trinitite is a man-made "tektite" of sorts.  Given that this material
was sucked up into the mushroom cloud, formed into blobs and then rained back to Earth, splattering all
over the Trinity test site.  According to the articles about trinitite, the exact composition of the Trinitite
varied according to where it formed in relation to Ground Zero and what particular elements became infused
in a given mass of trinitite during formation.  Native elemental components in the desert landscape combined
with fissile products, pieces of the bomb casing, cabling, the gantry, and anything else that was swept into
the fireball.  It's a fascinating material to comtemplate because of what it represents - it is a time capsule or
snapshot from the very moment mankind unleashed the latent power of the atom.  The only mineral material
I can think of that might have more historical significance would be moon dust from Neil Armstrong's boots
on the day of the first lunar landing.  

At any rate, from the first time I acquired some trinitite for my personal collection several months back, I
have been fascinated with it.  And after a good deal of searching, I finally found a source willing to sell me
a bulk lot of it at a reasonable price.  So, now I have over 500 grams of small trinitite pieces.  On average,
they weigh from 2 to 3.5 grams each.  Some are a little bigger (4 grams) and some are a little smaller (1 gram).
The pieces have about the same diameter as a nickel or penny and are about 3-5mm thick on average.

I want to sell some of this to offset my costs, so I am offering this trinitite to the group in the following lots -

1) 10 gram lot of pieces - $40

2) 20 gram lot of pieces - $60

3) 50 gram lot of pieces - $100

I am keeping about 200 grams of this material for my personal inventory, but the rest is up for grabs.  To
avoid potential customs hassles, I am offering this trinitite to US buyers only.  I will not ship it to Canada
or Overseas, so please don't ask. 

PayPal is preferred.

Refer to these photos.  One photo shows the entire lot in a tupperware container and the other photo 
show pieces pulled from the lot.  The individual pieces shown are on the larger end of the scale - most
of the pieces in the entire 500 gram lot are about the same size or a little smaller.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/Rocks/trinitite-lot.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/Rocks/trin-2.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/Rocks/trin-3.jpg

And of course, I still have Moon Rock and Mars Rock Riker box displays for $75 shipped (CONUS), $80 Overseas -

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/April%20Sale/2-planet-kit.jpg

Thanks for looking and clear skies!

MikeG
.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
..........................................................


      

From mexicodoug at aim.com  Thu Nov 13 15:17:55 2008
From: mexicodoug at aim.com (mexicodoug at aim.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:17:55 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Greek Crater
In-Reply-To: <540847.70810.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <540847.70810.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CB13E40A8AF9CA-1430-1A39@webmail-dx05.sysops.aol.com>

Lukarto G wrote:

"The RC dates for this catastrophe match with the Mayan date for Rio 
Cuarto"


k'uxi Kamiko Lukarto, Amikoetik,

Ed, it's interesting that the Maya had a date for Rio Cuarto.  Don you 
believe the Comenchingones communicated with the great Maya 
astronomers?   Or how else could you propose the Maya knew about 
craters in the heartland of Argentina?  They are nearly as far away 
from the craters as equatorial Africa is, right?!

Best wishes, me^ tak'in,
Doug






-----Original Message-----
From: E.P. Grondine <epgrondine at yahoo.com>
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 3:13 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Greek Crater



Hi -

I first heard about this last year at Christmas, but its been under 
wraps.

I never gave much thought to the fact that global sea levels were lower 
before
10,900 BCE, and rose afterwards, in terms of what this meant for the
Mediterranean. The big question has always been the opening of the 
Dardanelles,
and the date for the Black Sea flooding, but this changes things...

The big one in the Mediterranean was the impact of a fragment of Encke 
ca 2,360
BCE that pretty much wiped out man on Malta, in the sense of gone, 
disappeared,
killed, dead, extinct, etc...  The RC dates for this catastrophe match 
with the
Mayan date for Rio Cuarto, which matches with the tree ring date, which 
matches
with the RC date, etc...

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas



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From mlblood at cox.net  Thu Nov 13 15:30:51 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:30:51 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Meteorite Auction Ad
In-Reply-To: <773238.18798.qm@web33001.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C541CE7B.1BED0%mlblood@cox.net>

Greetings all,
        While I am looking foreword to seeing everyone in Tucson
I must admit that with the combination of increased overhead
and a HUGE lack of response to requests for entries in the auction,
it is entirely possible this will be the final Tucson Meteorite Auction.
Perhaps it has run its course. Personally, I hope not. While it is
A LOT of work, it is, at least for me, a LOT of fun - and it has
Always seemed to be a lot of fun for all who attend.
        HOWEVER:  
        Deadline for minimum commission entries is in two days
And I have 7 entries (usually, by this time I have 70 or 80). I
Have to sell about $25K worth of specimens just to brake even,
so, this is looking dismal as the sponsor of the event. It is always
Possible tons of entries will come in at graduated fee rates as
The event grows nearer and nearer, but that has never been the
Case in the past. At least 75% of the items tend to be "in" and
"up" in the on line catalog by now.
        Now, this will still make for an exciting auction, as there
Will undoubtedly be at least a few more entries and, most important
To the bidders, there will  be plenty of room to allow for all the
late entries, many of which I have turned down in the past and
most of which turn out to be large whole Stones & Irons with
no minimum - so, buyers will have a field day.
      Also, Jerry Armstrong's lecture should be very meaningful - so
Much so that I am hoping to have him audio tape it for me so I
Don't miss it, myself. So, while THIS auction will go on, it is
Looking like it will be a large financial loss which I can take only
Once. If so, then, of course, this will be the 10th and the final.
Not to worry if you are a buyer, as you will have a ball, no doubt:
Jerry's lecture, Twink's Gold Bason Birthday Cake, food and
Open bar with a hundred or more meteorite buddies tends to
Make for a great time.
        I suppose it is entirely possible people are going to flood me
With entries of high quality with no minimums over the next few
Weeks or so, but I  am not holding my breath. On the other hand,
People seeing how few entries there are may realize their piece(s)
Will be in higher demand, so, feel more inclined to  enter specimens.
        Those that are thinking of submitting can still get the lowest
Possible fee by submitting a list of the entries in the next 48 hrs
Even if they have yet to take digital photos - I will extend the
Deadline for photos on a person by person basis.
        Please submit high quality pieces only, as $10 and $20 items
Are not going to keep the doors open. If you enter 10 or 20 items,
some at the low end are fine, of course.
        I hope I am wrong and have a flood of work over the next
Couple of weeks.   
        Best wishes, Michael





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Info on Govnt. Spending (BEFORE current "Bail Out"):
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From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Thu Nov 13 15:33:33 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:33:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - November 12, 2008
Message-ID: <200811132033.MAA21663@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES
November 12, 2008

o Structure of the North Polar Layered Deposits
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_010008_2630

o Layers in Candor Mensa Athabasca Valles 
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_010027_1745

o Distributary Channels 
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_010045_1880

o Knobs, Bright Deposits, and Inverted Channels in Eberswalde Crater
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_010052_1560


All of the HiRISE images are archived here:

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/

Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is 
online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is 
managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division 
of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA 
Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed 
Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor 
and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the 
University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies 
Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument.

From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Thu Nov 13 15:37:14 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:37:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rover Update: October 30 -
	November 06, 2008
Message-ID: <200811132037.MAA23620@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html#spirit

SPIRIT UPDATE:  Still Trying to Drive Uphill - sol 1716-1722, 
October 30 - November 06, 2008:

Spirit has been trying to drive back up the slope toward the top of
"Home Plate" to achieve a more favorable tilt of the solar panels toward
the Sun as it moves higher in the sky. Spirit at first made promising
progress on sols 1709 (Oct. 23, 2008) and 1713 (Oct. 27, 2008).
Subsequent drives have not been as successful. Spirit began veering to
the rover's right, which resulted in the right front wheel getting close
to slipping off the top of Home Plate and onto the slope. The right
front wheel is the one that no longer drives, so if it moves onto the
slope it could be difficult to get it back on top of Home Plate.

Fortunately, rover planners have a seemingly bottomless bag of tricks
and they continue to try different strategies to make progress up the
slope. If necessary, they can direct the rover to drive downslope and
take an alternate route back up Home Plate. They can save time if Spirit
can make it up the slope from the rover's present location.

Spirit is also preparing for solar conjunction. This is a period of
approximately two weeks, beginning November 29, when the Sun will be
between Earth and Mars, preventing communication. Preparations include
making sure that Spirit's battery is charged and that Spirit has
sufficient computer memory available to store data collected during
conjunction until it can be sent to Earth.

Spirit is healthy, with all subsystems performing as expected as of the
latest transmission from NASA's Odyssey orbiter on sol 1722 (Nov. 6,
2008). Energy from Spirit's solar arrays has been averaging 230
watt-hours (equivalent to the amount of energy needed to light a
100-watt bulb for about 2 hours and 20 minutes).

Sol-by-sol summary

In addition to measuring dust-related changes in atmospheric clarity
each day with the panoramic camera, Spirit completed the following
activities:

Sol 1716 (Oct. 30, 2008): Spirit checked for drift (changes with time)
in the miniature thermal emission spectrometer and completed a
mini-survey of the sky and ground with the instrument. Spirit resumed
inching uphill. After the drive, Spirit took a single-frame image with
the navigation camera as well as images with the hazard-avoidance cameras.

Sol 1717: Spirit checked for drift (changes with time) in the miniature
thermal emission spectrometer and completed a mini-survey of the sky and
ground with the instrument. The rover recharged the batteries.

Sol 1718: Spirit checked for drift (changes with time) in the miniature
thermal emission spectrometer and completed a mini-survey of the sky and
ground with the instrument. Spirit continued inching uphill and, after
the drive, acquired images with the navigation and hazard-avoidance
cameras.

Sol 1719: Spirit checked for drift (changes with time) in the miniature
thermal emission spectrometer and completed a mini-survey of the sky and
ground with the instrument. The rover made observations of the
spectrometer's calibration target and recharged the batteries.

Sol 1720: Spirit checked for drift (changes with time) in the miniature
thermal emission spectrometer and completed a mini-survey of the sky and
ground with the instrument. The rover acquired four, time-lapse movie
frames in search of clouds with the navigation camera and took spot
images of the sky for calibration purposes with the panoramic cameras.
Spirit completed a "quick fine attitude" adjustment to determine the
rover's precise position relative to the Sun. Spirit acquired images
with the rear and front hazard-avoidance cameras and used visual
odometry to track the rover's actual position based on the surface
imprints made by its wheels.

Sol 1721: Spirit continued trying to inch upslope. After stopping,
Spirit acquired a single-frame image with the navigation camera as well
as images with the hazard-avoidance cameras.

Sol 1722 (Nov. 6, 2008): Spirit checked for drift (changes with time) in
the miniature thermal emission spectrometer, completed a mini-survey of
the sky and ground with the instrument, and recharged the batteries.

Odometry:

As of sol 1721 (Nov. 4, 2008), Spirit's total odometry was 7,528.56
meters (4.68 miles).



From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Thu Nov 13 15:40:39 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:40:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Rover Spirit Remains Quiet as Dust Storm
	Weakens
Message-ID: <200811132040.MAA24762@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2008-210  

Mars Rover Spirit Remains Quiet as Dust Storm Weakens
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
November 12, 2008

PASADENA, Calif. -- A dust storm that has reduced power to NASA's Mars
Exploration Rover Spirit is clearing, but the Spirit's status remains
unknown on Wednesday.

Mission controllers sent a set of commands to the rover early Tuesday,
Nov. 11, telling it to follow several energy-saving steps, including not
trying to communicate before Thursday. The team's immediate goal was to
keep Spirit out of a pre-programmed protective mode that is triggered
when battery charge is depleted below a safety level. The new commands,
if received, would allow the team to keep more active control of Spirit
than is possible when the rover is in the low-power protective mode.

"Like concerned parents, if we can stay in communication with the rover,
we are in a better position to help," said John Callas of NASA's Jet
Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., project manager for Spirit and
its twin, Opportunity.

Controllers listened overnight Tuesday to Wednesday in case Spirit had
entered the protective mode and attempted to communicate. It could be a
favorable sign that Spirit was not heard from, because that could mean
that the rover has received and is following the commands sent Tuesday.
However, another possibility is that Spirit has not only entered the
low-power protective mode, but that its battery power is so low it would
not wake up to communicate.

"We likely won't know anything definitive until Thursday," Callas said.
"The good news is that we have indications from Mars Reconnaissance
Orbiter that the dust storm on Mars is clearing over Gusev." (Spirit is
working in a range of hills inside Gusev Crater, which is about the size
of Connecticut.)

Meanwhile, controllers will continue to listen for communication from
Spirit at the times the rover would be expected to communicate if it has
entered the low-power protective mode but still has enough power to
transmit a signal.

Spirit has been operating on Mars for nearly five years in an
exploration mission originally planned to last three months. A coating
of dust on its solar panels is reducing its ability to generate
electricity even when the sky is clear.

JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena,
manages the Mars Exploration Rover project for the NASA Science Mission
Directorate, Washington.

Media contact: Guy Webster 818-354-6278
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
Guy.Webster at jpl.nasa.gov 2008-2


From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Thu Nov 13 16:26:28 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 13 Nov 2008 21:26:28 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 1774 (R3.8-6)
Message-ID: <DIIE.0000009B00003588@paulinet.de>

Hello List and Thin Section Lovers,

Just got my 2 thin sections of the NWA 1774 (R3.8-6) rumurutiite
that Philippe Thomas is offering. Boy, these must surely be among
the largest thin sections I have ever purchased with an awesome
viewing area of about 2 cm by 3.5 cm. You had better hurry if
interested - a few of them are still for sale. See here:

http://www.meteoritica.com/thinsections_nwa1774.html

#5 and #6 are now my thin sections. Thank you Philippe & L?a!

Thin Sectionally Yours,

Bern



From guyhein at pt.lu  Thu Nov 13 16:41:57 2008
From: guyhein at pt.lu (Guy Heinen)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:41:57 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorite sale
Message-ID: <B5449B1B-FD12-4CD8-8240-78F21B0E1D56@pt.lu>

Hello guys,

Just to tell you that I'll sell a large part of my meteorite  
collection. Those of you interested in buying one or more specimens  
may contact me off list.

All the best,

Guy Heinen

From cynapse at charter.net  Thu Nov 13 16:41:47 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:41:47 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Extrasolar planet photos
In-Reply-To: <773238.18798.qm@web33001.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <773238.18798.qm@web33001.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6j7ph4d0edkhjqiqtn3ohej3vfccoh1a9e@4ax.com>

They really need to run these photos through some of those CSI crime lab
filters.  Should be able to pull up enough detail to read the alien's lisence
plates.

http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/38540/title/Extrasolar_planetary_system_makes_pictorial_debut

From chinaren76 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 13 16:52:03 2008
From: chinaren76 at yahoo.com (Ma Lan)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:52:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Meteorite Auction Ad
In-Reply-To: <C541CE7B.1BED0%mlblood@cox.net>
Message-ID: <31943.43515.qm@web52711.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi Michael,

I have submitted a piece of Zunhua, but see nothing on the auction catalog webpage as of today. I remember that, when you received the photos and description, you just said: thanks, looks good. Michael.

Best wishes,
Ma Lan
Beijing China



--- On Fri, 11/14/08, Michael L Blood <mlblood at cox.net> wrote:

> From: Michael L Blood <mlblood at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Meteorite Auction Ad
> To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 4:30 AM
> Greetings all,
>         While I am looking foreword to seeing everyone in
> Tucson
> I must admit that with the combination of increased
> overhead
> and a HUGE lack of response to requests for entries in the
> auction,
> it is entirely possible this will be the final Tucson
> Meteorite Auction.
> Perhaps it has run its course. Personally, I hope not.
> While it is
> A LOT of work, it is, at least for me, a LOT of fun - and
> it has
> Always seemed to be a lot of fun for all who attend.
>         HOWEVER:  
>         Deadline for minimum commission entries is in two
> days
> And I have 7 entries (usually, by this time I have 70 or
> 80). I
> Have to sell about $25K worth of specimens just to brake
> even,
> so, this is looking dismal as the sponsor of the event. It
> is always
> Possible tons of entries will come in at graduated fee
> rates as
> The event grows nearer and nearer, but that has never been
> the
> Case in the past. At least 75% of the items tend to be
> "in" and
> "up" in the on line catalog by now.
>         Now, this will still make for an exciting auction,
> as there
> Will undoubtedly be at least a few more entries and, most
> important
> To the bidders, there will  be plenty of room to allow for
> all the
> late entries, many of which I have turned down in the past
> and
> most of which turn out to be large whole Stones & Irons
> with
> no minimum - so, buyers will have a field day.
>       Also, Jerry Armstrong's lecture should be very
> meaningful - so
> Much so that I am hoping to have him audio tape it for me
> so I
> Don't miss it, myself. So, while THIS auction will go
> on, it is
> Looking like it will be a large financial loss which I can
> take only
> Once. If so, then, of course, this will be the 10th and the
> final.
> Not to worry if you are a buyer, as you will have a ball,
> no doubt:
> Jerry's lecture, Twink's Gold Bason Birthday Cake,
> food and
> Open bar with a hundred or more meteorite buddies tends to
> Make for a great time.
>         I suppose it is entirely possible people are going
> to flood me
> With entries of high quality with no minimums over the next
> few
> Weeks or so, but I  am not holding my breath. On the other
> hand,
> People seeing how few entries there are may realize their
> piece(s)
> Will be in higher demand, so, feel more inclined to  enter
> specimens.
>         Those that are thinking of submitting can still get
> the lowest
> Possible fee by submitting a list of the entries in the
> next 48 hrs
> Even if they have yet to take digital photos - I will
> extend the
> Deadline for photos on a person by person basis.
>         Please submit high quality pieces only, as $10 and
> $20 items
> Are not going to keep the doors open. If you enter 10 or 20
> items,
> some at the low end are fine, of course.
>         I hope I am wrong and have a flood of work over the
> next
> Couple of weeks.   
>         Best wishes, Michael
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Save huge $ on gas mileage:
> http://go4best.water4gas.hop.clickbank.net/
> 
> Info on Govnt. Spending (BEFORE current "Bail
> Out"):
> http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/GvntSpending.htm
> 
> Totally Green by Twenty Eighteen
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
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From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 13 17:24:01 2008
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:24:01 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Major Breakthrough: First Photos of Planets Around
	Other Stars
Message-ID: <000c01c945de$8875d650$274ae146@ATARIENGINE>

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/081113-hubble-exoplanet.html

Major Breakthrough: First Photos of Planets Around Other Stars 
By Jeanna Bryner -- 13 November 2008


Astronomers have taken what they say are the first-ever 
images of planets outside of our solar system, including 
a visible-light snapshot of a single-planet system and an 
infrared picture of a multiple-planet system. 

Earth-like worlds might also exist in the three-planet system, 
but if so they are too dim to photograph. The other newfound 
planet orbits a star called Fomalhaut, which is visible without 
the aid of a telescope. It is the 18th brightest star in the sky.

The massive worlds, each much heftier than Jupiter (at least 
for the three-planet system), could change how astronomers 
define the term "planet," one planet-hunter said.

Breakthrough technology
Until now, scientists have inferred the presence of planets 
mainly by detecting an unseen world's gravitational tug on 
its host star or waiting for the planet to transit in front of its 
star and then detecting a dip in the star's light. While these 
methods have helped to identify more than 300 extrasolar 
planets to date, astronomers have struggled to actually 
directly image and see such inferred planets. 

The four photographed exoplanets are discussed in two 
research papers published online today by the journal 
Science. 

"Every extrasolar planet detected so far has been a wobble 
on a graph. These are the first pictures of an entire system," 
said Bruce Macintosh, an astrophysicist from Lawrence 
Livermore National Laboratory in California, and part of 
the team that photographed the multi-planet system in 
infrared light. "We've been trying to image planets for 
eight years with no luck and now we have pictures of 
three planets at once."

Astronomers have claimed previously to have directly 
imaged a planet, with at least two such objects, though 
not everybody agreed the objects were planets. Instead, 
they may be dim, failed stars known as brown dwarfs.

Multi-planet snapshots
Macintosh, lead researcher Christian Marois of the NRC 
Herzberg Institute of Astrophysics in Canada, and colleagues 
used the Gemini North telescope and W.M. Keck 
Observatory on Hawaii's Mauna Kea to obtain infrared 
images. Infrared radiation represents heat and, along with 
everything from radio waves to visible light and X-rays, 
is part of the electromagnetic spectrum.

The trio of worlds orbits a star named HR 8799, which is 
about 130 light-years away in the constellation Pegasus and 
about 1.5 times as massive as the sun. The planets are located 
at distances from their star of 24, 38 and 68 astronomical 
units (AU). (An astronomical unit equals the average Earth-sun 
distance of 93 million miles, or about 150 million km.) Other 
planet-finding techniques work out to only about 5 AU from a star.

The planet closest to the star weighs in at 10 times the mass of 
Jupiter, followed by another 10 Jupiter-mass planet and then, 
farther out, a world seven times the heft of Jupiter. 

By astronomical standards, the planets are fresh out of the oven, 
forming about 60 million years ago. That means the orbs are still 
glowing from heat leftover from their formation. Earth, by 
comparison, is about 4.5 billion years old.

The most distant planet orbits just inside a disk of dusty debris, 
similar to that produced by the icy objects of the solar system's 
Kuiper belt, which lies just beyond the orbit of Neptune.

The setup of this planetary system, along with its dusty belt, 
suggests it is a scaled-up version of our solar system, 
Macintosh said. That means other planets closer in to the 
host star could be waiting for discovery. 

"I think there's a very high probability that there are more 
planets in the system that we can't detect yet," Macintosh 
said. "One of the things that distinguishes this system from 
most of the extrasolar planets that are already known is that 
HR 8799 has its giant planets in the outer parts - like our 
solar system does - and so has 'room' for smaller terrestrial 
planets, far beyond our current ability to see, in the inner parts."

Hubble's discovery
University of California, Berkeley, astronomer Paul Kalas 
led the team of astronomers who took the visible-light 
snapshot of the single-planet system. The exoplanet has 
been named Fomalhaut b, and is estimated to weigh no 
more than three Jupiter masses.

The Hubble Space Telescope's Advanced Camera for 
Surveys was used to make the image. The camera is 
equipped with a coronagraph that blocks out the light 
of the host star, allowing astronomers to view a much 
fainter planet.

"It's kind of like if driving into the sun and suddenly 
you flip down your visor, you can see the road easier," 
Kalas said during a telephone interview. In fact, 
Fomalhaut b is 1 billion times fainter than its star. "
It's not easy to see. That kind of sensitivity has never 
been seen before," he added.

Fomalhaut b is about 25 light-years from Earth. Photos 
taken in 2004 and 2006 show the planet's movement over 
a 21-month period and suggest the planet likely orbits its 
star Fomalhaut every 872 years at a distance of 119 a
stronomical units (AU), or 11 billion miles (nearly 18 billion 
km). That's about four times the distance between Neptune 
and the sun.

Kalas suspected the planet's existence in 2004 (published in 
2005) after Hubble images he had taken revealed a dusty belt 
that had a sharp inner edge around Fomalhaut. The sculpted 
nature of the ring suggested a planet in an elliptical orbit was 
shaping the belt's inner edge. And it was. 

"The gravity of Fomalhaut b is the key reason that the vast 
dust belt surrounding Fomalhaut is cleanly sculpted into a 
ring and offset from the star," Kalas said. "We predicted this 
in 2005, and now we have the direct proof."

Kalas' team also suspects that the planet could be surrounded 
by a ring system with the dimensions of Jupiter's early rings, 
before the dust and debris coalesced into the four Galilean moons.

What's a planet?
The successful image results could change how planets are 
defined, said Sara Seager, an astrophysicist at MIT who was 
not involved in the discoveries.

Until now, mass has been one of the critical pieces of 
information that could place an object into or out of the 
planet club. Objects that are too massive, above about 13 
Jupiter masses, are considered brown dwarfs. But now 
formation could also be part of the formula. Both of the 
new planetary systems revealed dusty disks and suggest 
the planets must have formed similar to how planets in 
our solar system and elsewhere are thought to have formed.

So, most astronomers would call the four objects planets, 
although their masses are only inferred from the luminosities 
seen in the images. 

"Taken together, these discoveries are going to change 
what we call a planet," Seager told SPACE.com. "Until 
now people have been arguing about how big can an 
object be and still be a planet."
Seager added, referring to the multi-planet system, 
"People want to call the upper mass 12 Jupiter masses. 
I think it's going to force us to reconsider what a planet is, 
because even if they are more massive than what we 
want to call a planet, they're in a disk." In addition, 
she said, nobody has ever spotted three stars orbiting 
a host star, as would have to be the case if you were 
to call the three planets something other than planets.

Aiming for Earth-like planets
These recent direct images reveal giant, gaseous exoplanets 
in a new light for the first time, revealing not the effects of 
the planets but the planets themselves. The next goal would 
be direct images of an Earth-like planet, the astronomers say.

"The discovery of the HR 8799 system is a crucial step on 
the road to the ultimate detection of another Earth," Macintosh 
said. 

The problem is that terrestrial (Earth-like) planets are orders 
of magnitude fainter than the giant Jupiter-like worlds, and 
they are much closer in to their host stars. That means the 
glare from the star would be overwhelming with today's 
technology.

The pay-off could be big, though, as such rocky planets 
could orbit within their habitable zones (where temperatures 
would allow the existence of liquid water). 

"There is plenty of empty space between Fomalhaut b and 
the star for other planets to happily reside in stable orbits," 
Kalas said. "We'll probably have to wait for the James Webb 
Space Telescope to give us a clear view of the region closer 
to the star where a planet could host liquid water on the surface."

From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 13 20:17:06 2008
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:17:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Greek Crater
Message-ID: <764854.8222.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Doug - 

Not being fluent in Mayan, I had to rely on the translations of the hieroglyph scholars. 

As for how the Maya knew about the impacts, the fragments were visible for a long time, they watched them come in, and the resulting ecological collapse was catastrophic. Everyone who survived talked about it afterwards, and I have little doubt that the Maya, "Olmec", and others dispatched "researchers" to the impact site.

When are you going to get out your magnifying glass and read your copy
of "Man and Impact in the Americas"?

good hunting, 
Ed



>Ed, it's interesting that the Maya had a date for Rio Cuarto.  Don you
>believe the Comenchingones communicated with the great Maya
>astronomers?   Or how else could you propose the Maya knew about
>craters in the heartland of Argentina?  They are nearly as far away
>from the craters as equatorial Africa is, right?!

>Best wishes, me^ tak'in,
>Doug






      

From mexicodoug at aim.com  Fri Nov 14 05:07:18 2008
From: mexicodoug at aim.com (mexicodoug at aim.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 05:07:18 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Greek Crater
In-Reply-To: <764854.8222.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <764854.8222.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CB1457E6BE0630-D48-288D@WEBMAIL-DF21.sysops.aol.com>

Hi Ed, (=Mee lek oyote Lukarto,)

Hours earlier I'd actually just returned from a trip through the 
perilous, distant, and truly lawless mountaine region of the classic 
proto-Maya civilization.  But I'm thankfully back safe now.  I can now 
imagine without too much a leap of faith, how savagely dangerous this 
was centuries ago.

After this mission of daredevilry bent on recovering a very special 
item, I sent you appropriate greetings in a living written language 
descended from the Maya, relating to your post at that moment.  
Unfortunately the novelty is worn off by now and it is SSDD mode again. 
  So send the scholars back to their codices, they couldn't have helped 
anyways.

I appreciate your organization of progressive conjectures and will look 
for your book somewhere lost in storage to review.  Things have been 
very busy for me lately and I am so far behind in my basic scientific 
reading that even this reply is a challenge which is my excuse for not 
getting to your book.  But that is hardly the point of my question to 
you.

I find your statement inadequate:
"have little doubt that the Maya, "Olmec", and others
dispatched "researchers" to the impact site."

Based on your justification(!!)(Conjecture):
"fragments were visible for a long time, they watched
them come in, and the resulting ecological collapse was
catastrophic."

The distances seem way too unreasonable.  Seeing this and then 
=0
Afollowing it to Rio Cuarto.  Maybe the (prot-)Maya did triangulate nd 
had a good map of South America beynd the Andes.  But, your 
justification is purely circumstantial and it seems to me as a biased 
solution looking for a problem.  The Maya mythology I read is far too 
rudimentary (and not Maya style) to make this leap of faith as you've 
done in your post.  More on this after I rant a bit in melancholic 
pride, in a review of just who you are talking about with these vague 
interpretations.  The Maya are te Germans and Swiss of the world of 
precision in astronomy and math.

To my knowledge there is no prominent ecological destruction myth for 
the Maya, nor for that matter any prominent comet, meteor, or impact 
event (just a hurricane and his lightning bolts brothers) though you 
may have a different spin on this.  Creation, in one popular mythology 
version, came out of the water by feathered snakes which were Hurricane 
and fellow brothers lightning bolts (Is this your thought?).  In any 
case, this refers to creation, so the total destruction by big space 
rock fragment idea seems contradictory and unsupported in a very 
complex society.  Anyway the myth could mean just about anything you 
want it to.

The Maya were the best mathematicians and astronomers in the world 
through their time.  They understood and used zero in their mathematics 
well before 36 B.C., being the first documented use anywhere
.  While 
Western civilizations were in the dark the Maya maintained a better 
written record (on better quality paper they developed in America) than 
any papyrus of Alexandria.  The only sin against mankind's scientific 
development worse than the destruction of the library at Alexandria by 
zealots was the brute stupidity of gold diggers and carpetbaggers 
calling themselves conquistadores (and in English, pirates), in the 
form of ignorant Iberians that completely destroyed wholesale the 
entire written record en masse of a scientifically more advanced 
civilization by zealous and subjucating decree.  Only three randomly 
surviving original books written by the Maya remain of our civilization 
of city states of tens o million of inhabitants.  And in them we find 
not only the most accurate calendars the world ever saw to that time, 
but also the precise calculations of the ephemeris, rise and set times 
of Venus and its daytime observation to refine predictions (when the 
Greeks didn't even figure out that the morning and evening planet were 
the same one), "we" are only today learning that some of the cyclical 
behaviors they identified or Mars went over Western civilizations' 
heads until we learned to read their remaining 3 books.  A people 
supposed without telescopes with those daytime observations, that put 
the Orion nebula (M42) at the center of the hearth for its nebulous 
quality, a people that apparently believed they are descended f
rom the 
Pleiades (M45) which, according to them, was a stellar nursery.  
Imagine that, who would have ever imagined the Pleiades was a Stellar 
nursery?  The length of the year the length of the Astronomical solar 
year (365.24219 days) of the Maya was 365.2422 days and it took a while 
for Europe to catch up after the fall of the Maya. With such precision, 
it is no surprise that the Maya calculated and predicted future 
eclipses well enough probably to entertain Fred Espenack today.

On the other hand, bloodletting was an important part of Maya culture, 
not to mention the reputed 8,000 kilometer journey to Rio Cuarto 
crossing the Andes and Darien would be filled with other problem beasty 
folks along the way, jaguars, wild peccaries (javelinas), piranha, 
lotsa snakes, congas and the like.  It is hard to believe that anything 
except commerce could make the journey Moroccan style (passing durable 
goods or dried seeds through many hands), and then the one back for a 
total of 16,000 km.  Although the Maya predated DaVinci by recognizing 
and incorporating the golden ratio in their calculations, they didn't 
invent flying machines... You are asking the Maya (not originally a 
seafaring culture) be Marco Polo.  Heck Europe was only 9,000 km away 
by sea from Rio Cuarto even though it?s in the southern hemisphere.  If 
you want to believe that curious Maya (or proto-Maya) investigators 
were dispatched to go check out20Rio Cuarto, Ed, well considering there 
is no clear extant reference to the worthy to be called Maya.  These 
are not marginal indigenous folks, you are talking about an 
astronomical culture historically not to be confused with the 
stereotypical "see great snake in the sky eat corn and spit smoke" 
type.  Any (proto-)Maya geek astronomers attempting that journey at the 
time wouldn't have made the trip of 1/6 of the world and back through 
hundreds of unfriendly cultures that would have them for dinner.  Your 
premises, I believe, unless you have a better explanation, are simply 
too vague, unfeasible, and wishful in this specific case - or does your 
book hold some secret as big as the codices themselves?

It just doesn't fit in my judgement so IMO the burden of rigorous proof 
ought to be heavier on your shoulders before you can get away with such 
statements.  As was said, "The weight of evidence for an extraordinary 
claim must be proportioned to its strangeness."
Best wishes, me^ tak'in,
Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: E.P. Grondine <epgrondine at yahoo.com>
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 7:17 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Greek Crater


Hi Doug -

Not being fluent in Mayan, I had to rely on the translations of the 
hieroglyph
scholars.

As for how the Maya knew about the impacts, the fragments were visible 
for a
long time, they watched them come in, and the=2
0resulting ecological 
collapse was
catastrophic. Everyone who survived talked about it afterwards, and I 
have
little doubt that the Maya, "Olmec", and others dispatched 
"researchers" to the
impact site.

When are you going to get out your magnifying glass and read your copy
of "Man and Impact in the Americas"?

good hunting,
Ed

>Lukarto G wrote:

>"The RC dates for this catastrophe match with the Mayan date for
>Rio Cuarto"

>k'uxi Kamiko Lukarto, Amikoetik,

>Ed, it's interesting that the Maya had a date for Rio Cuarto.  Don you
>believe the Comenchingones communicated with the great Maya
>astronomers?   Or how else could you propose the Maya knew about
>craters in the heartland of Argentina?  They are nearly as far away
>from the craters as equatorial Africa is, right?!

>Best wishes, me^ tak'in,
>Doug







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From marsrox at gmail.com  Fri Nov 14 11:54:35 2008
From: marsrox at gmail.com (Kevin Kichinka)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:54:35 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Reported in Ohio
Message-ID: <5bb98d570811140854v5338ea88nb4910b04eb67d596@mail.gmail.com>

Here's a "head's up" about an article that appears in today's
Cleveland, Ohio "Plain Dealer" newspaper about a possible meteorite
seen by several witnesses. Anyone on this list that lives in the area
might want to follow up and see if anything hit the ground.

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008/11/police_and_highway_patrol_sear.html

Regards to all,

Kevin Kichinka

From clp at alumni.caltech.edu  Fri Nov 14 12:10:41 2008
From: clp at alumni.caltech.edu (Chris Peterson)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:10:41 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Reported in Ohio
References: <5bb98d570811140854v5338ea88nb4910b04eb67d596@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <03ED8D581C044F018A09111BD1098A15@bellatrix>

Articles about these sorts of events are often poor, but this one is a 
doozy. I've seldom seen them get so much wrong in such a short article.

Chris

*****************************************
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Kichinka" <marsrox at gmail.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 9:54 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Reported in Ohio


> Here's a "head's up" about an article that appears in today's
> Cleveland, Ohio "Plain Dealer" newspaper about a possible meteorite
> seen by several witnesses. Anyone on this list that lives in the area
> might want to follow up and see if anything hit the ground.
>
> http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008/11/police_and_highway_patrol_sear.html
>
> Regards to all,
>
> Kevin Kichinka


From bristolia at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 14 12:12:57 2008
From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:12:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] North American Glaciation Finally Dated
Message-ID: <641425.12338.qm@web36208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

People, who work with Quaternary meteorite impacts should 
know that the age and duration of the Illinoian (?glacial?) 
Stage has finally been directly determined in its type 
region by the Illinois State Geological Survey. As a part 
of research associated with geological mapping in north-central Illinois, they recovered cores that sampled the the full 
thickness of Illinoian glacial tills (Glasford Formation)
and outwash (Pearl formation) lying within an ancient buried
valley of the Mississippi River. Using optically stimulated
luminescence (OSL) dating, they were able to date Illinoian
glacial outwash overlying and interbedded with Illinoian
glacial tills. Using OSL dating, they also dated glacial
outwash underlying the oldest Illinoian glacial till, the
Kellerville Till Member, comprising the glacial sediments
that define the Illinoian Stage.

The Illinois State Geological Survey found was that the
glacial sediments, which comprised the Illinois glacial lobe,
all accumulated over a period of time between 130,000 to
200,000 years ago. Because these sediments define the
Illinoian Stage, it is approximately equivalent in time to
Marine Isotope Stage (MIS) 6 instead of Marine Isotope
stages 6, 7, and 8 together, a period of time from 130,000
to 300,000 BP, as previously hypothesized. Based upon
this research, the geologists at the Illinois State Geological
Survey now infer that the Yarmouth Geosol (paleosol), which
underlies Illinoian glacial sediments that buried it, was
created by weathering of older glacial deposits from about
191,000 to 424,000 years ago during a period of geologic
time equivalent to Marine Isotope stages 7, 8, 9, 10, and
11.

An article, abstract, and powerpoint presentation about the
OSL dating of the Illinoian Stage are:

(1.) McKay, E.D., 2007, Six Rivers, Five Glaciers, and an Outburst
Flood: the Considerable Legacy of the Illinois River. Proceedings
of the 2007 Governor's Conference on the Management of the
Illinois River System: Our continuing Commitment, 11th Biennial
Conference, Oct. 2-4, 2007, 11 p.

http://ilrdss.sws.uiuc.edu/govconf2007/session2a/DonMcKay.pdf

(2.) McKay, E.D., and R.C. Berg, 2008, Optical ages spanning
two glacial-interglacial cycles from deposits of the ancient
Mississippi River, north-central Illinois. Geological Society of
America Abstracts with Programs, Vol. 40, No. 5, p. 78
Abstract at:

http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2008NC/finalprogram/abstract_137641.htm

(3.) Powerpoint presentation at:

http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/viewHandout.cgi?uploadid=295

In addition, it has been about a quarter of a century since
North American geomorphologists and Quaternary geologists
abandoned the climatic and chronological framework used by
early geomorphologists and Quaternary geologists to subdivide
glacial and nonglacial deposits within north-central United States
into four glacial and interglacial stages. About a quarter of a
century ago, the accumulation of stratigraphic and chronological
data discredited the Yarmouthian (interglacial), Kansan (glacial),
Aftonian (interglacial), and Nebraskan (glacial) stages as being
scientifically meaningless as either climatic, stratigraphic, or
chronostratigraphic subdivisions of the Pleistocene. As a result,
the use of these stages to classify north American Quaternary was
abandoned and they were all merged into the Pre-illinoian Stage.
For further reading about why the Nebraskan, Aftonian, Kansan,
and Yamouthian stages were abandoned by North American
geomorphologists and Quaternary geologists as antiquated and
meaningless nomenclature, a person can read:

Aber, J.S., 1991, Glaciations of Kansas. Boreas. vol. 20, no. 4,
pp. 297-314.

Boellstorff, J., 1978, Chronology of some Late Cenozoic deposits
from the central United States and the Ice Ages. Transactions of
the Nebraska Academy of Science. vol 6, pp. 35?49.

Hallberg, G.R., 1986, Pre-Wisconsin glacial stratigraphy of the
Central Plains region in Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, and Missouri,
Quaternary Science Reviews. vol. 5, pp. 11-15.

Richmond, G.M. and D.S. Fullerton, 1986, Summation of Quaternary
glaciations in the United States of America. Quaternary Science
Reviews. vol. 5, pp. 183-196.

Roy, M., P.U. Clark, R.W. Barendregt, J.R., Glasmann, and R.J.
Enkin, 2004, Glacial stratigraphy and paleomagnetism of late
Cenozoic deposits of the north-central United States, Geological
Society of America Bulletin. vol. 116, no. 1-2; pp. 30-41;
DOI: 10.1130/B25325.1

The PDF file for Roy et al. (2004) can be found at:

http://geo.oregonstate.edu/people/faculty/publications/clarkp/Royetal-
GSAB-2004.pdf

Stiff, B. J., and A.K. Hansel, 2004, Quaternary glaciations in Illinois. in Ehlers, J., and P.L. Gibbard, eds., pp. 71-82, Quaternary Glaciations: Extent and Chronology 2: Part II North America, Elsevier, Amsterdam. ISBN 0-444-51462-7

A nice summary of the relationships between the North American,
English, and European Pleistocene stratigraphic nomenclature can
be found in ?Global correlation tables for the Quaternary? at;

http://www.quaternary.stratigraphy.org.uk/correlation/chart.html

and McMillan, A.A., 2005, A provisional Quaternary and Neogene
lithostratigraphic framework Great Britain, Netherland Journal of
Geosciences. vol. 84, n0. 2, pp, 87-107.

It can be found at:

http://www.njgonline.nl/publish/articles/000245/article.pdf

http://nora.nerc.ac.uk/680/

I have written more about the North American Quaternary stages
for Wikipedia at:

1. Illinoian Stage

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinoian_Stage

2. Pre-Illinoian Stage

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Illinoian_Stage

and 3. Kansan glaciation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansan_glaciation

These pages have references and links to PDF files that 
a person can freely download.

Yours,

Paul H.



      

From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 14 12:23:38 2008
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:23:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Greek Crater
Message-ID: <542453.9480.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi John, all - 

Do you have a URL to any article on the announcement?

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas


      

From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 14 13:02:19 2008
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:02:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rio Cuarto impacts
Message-ID: <960015.16131.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Doug, 

Boy, given my stroke, and the difficulty in typing, this is really frustrating. If you can't find your copy of "Man and Impact in the Americas" from Tucson, then I'll sell you a replacement at the low price. I can't retype the whole thing as messages to the list. 

(And thanks for you help as a guide during Tucson. I still think the meteorite dealers need to get together and buy the "No-Tell Motel" for use as headquarters during the show. It seems that the markets have been running at 1/10 speed during the panic, but this will change.)

You've been up in the moraine, and those folks there today are different from the classic Maya of the lowlands; at the time of the Rio Cuarto impacts there were different people yet down along the Gulf coast. The classic Maya were in Guatemala then.

Man in the Americas was ocean going, and you can read about their boats and trade in my book. They were used to long range traders.

For the folks in the moraine, they have hurricane, earthquake, and impact as forces in their pantheon, and they remember multiple "creations" each one separated by an impact event. The impact hazard is that bad.

(PS - a lot of classic Mayan hieroglyphic books survived in transliterations to the European alphabet.)

About every couple weeks you'll see a newspaper report here on the meteorite list where the locals saw a bollide and thought the world was coming to an end or that World War 3 had started. Well, for Rio Cuarto, the fragments came in close to the horizon, and the light (infra-red) thrown off was awesome. The sound of the impacts would have carried thousands of miles. But it was the climate collapse in the dirty rain that followed that everyone remembered, the muddy floods.

I hope your meteorite hunting expedition went well. Maybe on another one of them you'll run into a day counter or spiritual guide, so please read my book so that you'll be able to understand what he tries to tell you.  

Ed





















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If you assemble the evidence and no one looks at it, then 


      

From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 14 16:48:56 2008
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 13:48:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] This day in meteorite history
Message-ID: <367466.76056.qm@web45601.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

This day in meteorite history...

Juromenha Meteorite fall
On November 14, 1968 about 3 km from the village of Juromenha, Alandroal, Portugal a meteorite fall was witnessed by countryman who was at 30 m from the place of the fall. He heard an enormous noise accompanied by a great glow similar to that of the day.
The bolide travelled from SW to NE and descended towards the ground at a 50?-60? angle. The meteorite struck arable land which was slightly moist, opened a hole having the depth of 0.8 m and caused a rain of sand. The meteorite was found in the bottom of the hole.
The meteorite was turned over the Laboratory and Museum of Mineralogy and Geology (Faculty of Sciences), Lisboa, Portugal and was later classified as a IIIAB.


Great Sand Sea 020 Find
On November 14, 2000 a 5.42 kg stone was found by Dr. Marcus Zelezny while he was on vacation in the Gilf Kebir region. A zazora bird was buried beneath the meteorite, indicating probable human transport of the stone.
It was later classified as a H chondrite.








      


From marsrox at gmail.com  Fri Nov 14 19:30:36 2008
From: marsrox at gmail.com (Kevin Kichinka)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:30:36 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] 911 Call for "just a meteorite" - don't miss this
	story!
Message-ID: <5bb98d570811141630n69a1bd92y6dacd4d676be4e1b@mail.gmail.com>

This morning's online edition of the Cleveland Plain Dealer posted an
article (linked below) about a falling object seen by several
witnesses. The paper contacted an "expert" at the terrific Cleveland
Museum of Natural History who didn't quite get his facts correct
regarding meteorites. I sent a message with better information and the
paper emailed me for a further discussion. In the last few minutes
they added three 911 calls from witnesses to the article- fabulous!


Nininger wrote that witnesses to these types of events are unprepared
for what they see and then can't correctly describe what they did see.
He called most eyewitness accounts "useless" (see Nakhla Dog,
Carancas, et al). The keyword here is "most." The first two 911 calls
seem to fall in that realm. Listen in and see what I mean.


The third call is golden. Don't miss it. She draws a road map to the
rock. Here's an excerpt:


"It looked like it hit a tree right about where (the police) you guys
are. It knocked off a branch. When it hit the ground it left some
white smoke, but the ground is wet so I thought it was "going out".
Anyway, I thought its probably just a meteorite."


I'm here in my Costa Rican home, but it looks like I've managed to get
three parties to hunt for the rock. Wouldn't it be great if something
is recovered?


It would be the closest a meteorite has ever fallen to Cleveland,
Ohio, my home town, where the "Tower's Terminal, and the Lake is
Erie."


Here's the fresh link to the article:
http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008/11/police_and_highway_patrol_sear.html

Kevin Kichinka
www.theartofcollectingmeteorites.com

From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov 14 20:27:41 2008
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:27:41 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Greek Crater MAYA SAILORS
References: <764854.8222.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<8CB1457E6BE0630-D48-288D@WEBMAIL-DF21.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <00be01c946c1$5b0d71d0$274ae146@ATARIENGINE>

Hi, Doug, List,

Doug wrote:
> ...the Maya (not originally a seafaring culture)

    No one knows if they were "originally" a seafaring
people before they came to Yucatan in 2600 BC, but
they certainly became one. Here's a description of a
Maya coastal freighter (crew of 40, with lots of cargo)
encountered off Honduras by Columbus:
http://books.google.com/books?id=vfh70T0ZmEIC&pg=PA30&lpg=PA30&dq=columbus+maya+ship&source=web&ots=8StDQWW_vr&sig=iAN65nNm32Slcy_XK7ySYHqASdQ&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result
and here:
http://www.mesoweb.com/encyc/view.asp?record=6284&act=viewexact&view=normal&word=Maya&wordAND=&redir=no

    The noble Columbus immediately stole their cargo,
declared them all slaves, gave them Spanish names,
and put them to work... for him.

    I haven't got the energy to dig them all out, but
a number of early sources mention encounters with
large sailing craft throughout the Carribean which
seem to have been Mayan for the most part but not
exlusively Mayan. The largest ship mentioned was
about 75% of the size of the Spanish ships (which
were puny by today's standards). The average Spanish
ship was 20-30m long with a 6m beam, or the size
of four city buses tied together.

    Far more items from various Carribean islands
are found in Mayan territory than the reverse, which
suggests to me the Maya were the traders (who always
get the better end of the deal). The Phoenicians of the
Carribean? Who knows? We sure don't. I do know
that trade goods from Meso-America are found where
I live 1500 miles up the Missippippi from the nearest
ocean.

    Anthropologists seem to all be Nebraskan grad
students with black dirt between their toes, totally
committed landlubbers, and they have planted their
prejudices firmly in the science: the sea is a barrier
impassible to men not equipped with steamships!

    Pliny recorded the arrival on the shores of Gaul
a small wooden craft, "carved in one piece from a
tree trunk," with two reddish brown men with long
straight black hair, "like a horse's tail." So, the Maya
got to France, or the Caribs did. Alas (or Elas, as the
French say), it doesn't seem to have been a planned
voyage, as they had no food and water and were
quite dead on arrival, unable to discuss with learned
Pliny the vast lands they came from or to experience
French cooking. (Shall we decide this could only have
happened once in 2000 years?)

    I'm not for a minute claiming the Maya (or somebody)
sailed "1/6th of the way around the world"! But Hugo
Vihlen crossed the Atlantic in 1993 in a 5-foot-4-inch
boat. Amusingly, Villen first broke a world record for
crossing the Atlantic in a 5-foot, 11-inch boat in 1968.
His title was taken away from him in 1993 by Englishman,
Tom McNally, in a boat a few inches shorter, so...

    Shall I even mention John Fairfax and Sylvia Cook
who rowed a rowboat from San Francisco, CA to
AUSTRALIA in 361 days in 1971? And the scores of
other crazy people who have made incredible ocean
crossings in boats tiny, tinier, and tiniest? Here a short list:
http://www.microcruising.com/famoussmallboats.htm

    A powered boat is not relevant, I suppose, to the
Maya but in 1995, Seiko Nakajima in a 21ft boat with
a 2.5hp Tohatsu outboard motor arrived in New York City,
concluding an eight-month voyage that started in Basel,
Switzerland, by river, the Mediterranean, and the Atlantic.
Nakajima is a model boat builder rather than a nautical
engineer, and his boat is simply a large boat model made
from wood and plastic epoxied together...
http://www.tohatsu.com/news/seiko.html

    As far as I know, nobody's done it in a solar-
powered bath tub yet... Could happen anytime now.


Sterling K. Webb
-------------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <mexicodoug at aim.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 4:07 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Greek Crater


Hi Ed, (=Mee lek oyote Lukarto,)

Hours earlier I'd actually just returned from a trip through the
perilous, distant, and truly lawless mountaine region of the classic
proto-Maya civilization.  But I'm thankfully back safe now.  I can now
imagine without too much a leap of faith, how savagely dangerous this
was centuries ago.

After this mission of daredevilry bent on recovering a very special
item, I sent you appropriate greetings in a living written language
descended from the Maya, relating to your post at that moment.
Unfortunately the novelty is worn off by now and it is SSDD mode again.
  So send the scholars back to their codices, they couldn't have helped
anyways.

I appreciate your organization of progressive conjectures and will look
for your book somewhere lost in storage to review.  Things have been
very busy for me lately and I am so far behind in my basic scientific
reading that even this reply is a challenge which is my excuse for not
getting to your book.  But that is hardly the point of my question to
you.

I find your statement inadequate:
"have little doubt that the Maya, "Olmec", and others
dispatched "researchers" to the impact site."

Based on your justification(!!)(Conjecture):
"fragments were visible for a long time, they watched
them come in, and the resulting ecological collapse was
catastrophic."

The distances seem way too unreasonable.  Seeing this and then
=0
Afollowing it to Rio Cuarto.  Maybe the (prot-)Maya did triangulate nd
had a good map of South America beynd the Andes.  But, your
justification is purely circumstantial and it seems to me as a biased
solution looking for a problem.  The Maya mythology I read is far too
rudimentary (and not Maya style) to make this leap of faith as you've
done in your post.  More on this after I rant a bit in melancholic
pride, in a review of just who you are talking about with these vague
interpretations.  The Maya are te Germans and Swiss of the world of
precision in astronomy and math.

To my knowledge there is no prominent ecological destruction myth for
the Maya, nor for that matter any prominent comet, meteor, or impact
event (just a hurricane and his lightning bolts brothers) though you
may have a different spin on this.  Creation, in one popular mythology
version, came out of the water by feathered snakes which were Hurricane
and fellow brothers lightning bolts (Is this your thought?).  In any
case, this refers to creation, so the total destruction by big space
rock fragment idea seems contradictory and unsupported in a very
complex society.  Anyway the myth could mean just about anything you
want it to.

The Maya were the best mathematicians and astronomers in the world
through their time.  They understood and used zero in their mathematics
well before 36 B.C., being the first documented use anywhere
.  While
Western civilizations were in the dark the Maya maintained a better
written record (on better quality paper they developed in America) than
any papyrus of Alexandria.  The only sin against mankind's scientific
development worse than the destruction of the library at Alexandria by
zealots was the brute stupidity of gold diggers and carpetbaggers
calling themselves conquistadores (and in English, pirates), in the
form of ignorant Iberians that completely destroyed wholesale the
entire written record en masse of a scientifically more advanced
civilization by zealous and subjucating decree.  Only three randomly
surviving original books written by the Maya remain of our civilization
of city states of tens o million of inhabitants.  And in them we find
not only the most accurate calendars the world ever saw to that time,
but also the precise calculations of the ephemeris, rise and set times
of Venus and its daytime observation to refine predictions (when the
Greeks didn't even figure out that the morning and evening planet were
the same one), "we" are only today learning that some of the cyclical
behaviors they identified or Mars went over Western civilizations'
heads until we learned to read their remaining 3 books.  A people
supposed without telescopes with those daytime observations, that put
the Orion nebula (M42) at the center of the hearth for its nebulous
quality, a people that apparently believed they are descended f
rom the
Pleiades (M45) which, according to them, was a stellar nursery.
Imagine that, who would have ever imagined the Pleiades was a Stellar
nursery?  The length of the year the length of the Astronomical solar
year (365.24219 days) of the Maya was 365.2422 days and it took a while
for Europe to catch up after the fall of the Maya. With such precision,
it is no surprise that the Maya calculated and predicted future
eclipses well enough probably to entertain Fred Espenack today.

On the other hand, bloodletting was an important part of Maya culture,
not to mention the reputed 8,000 kilometer journey to Rio Cuarto
crossing the Andes and Darien would be filled with other problem beasty
folks along the way, jaguars, wild peccaries (javelinas), piranha,
lotsa snakes, congas and the like.  It is hard to believe that anything
except commerce could make the journey Moroccan style (passing durable
goods or dried seeds through many hands), and then the one back for a
total of 16,000 km.  Although the Maya predated DaVinci by recognizing
and incorporating the golden ratio in their calculations, they didn't
invent flying machines... You are asking the Maya (not originally a
seafaring culture) be Marco Polo.  Heck Europe was only 9,000 km away
by sea from Rio Cuarto even though it?s in the southern hemisphere.  If
you want to believe that curious Maya (or proto-Maya) investigators
were dispatched to go check out20Rio Cuarto, Ed, well considering there
is no clear extant reference to the worthy to be called Maya.  These
are not marginal indigenous folks, you are talking about an
astronomical culture historically not to be confused with the
stereotypical "see great snake in the sky eat corn and spit smoke"
type.  Any (proto-)Maya geek astronomers attempting that journey at the
time wouldn't have made the trip of 1/6 of the world and back through
hundreds of unfriendly cultures that would have them for dinner.  Your
premises, I believe, unless you have a better explanation, are simply
too vague, unfeasible, and wishful in this specific case - or does your
book hold some secret as big as the codices themselves?

It just doesn't fit in my judgement so IMO the burden of rigorous proof
ought to be heavier on your shoulders before you can get away with such
statements.  As was said, "The weight of evidence for an extraordinary
claim must be proportioned to its strangeness."
Best wishes, me^ tak'in,
Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: E.P. Grondine <epgrondine at yahoo.com>
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 7:17 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Greek Crater


Hi Doug -

Not being fluent in Mayan, I had to rely on the translations of the
hieroglyph
scholars.

As for how the Maya knew about the impacts, the fragments were visible
for a
long time, they watched them come in, and the=2
0resulting ecological
collapse was
catastrophic. Everyone who survived talked about it afterwards, and I
have
little doubt that the Maya, "Olmec", and others dispatched
"researchers" to the
impact site.

When are you going to get out your magnifying glass and read your copy
of "Man and Impact in the Americas"?

good hunting,
Ed

>Lukarto G wrote:

>"The RC dates for this catastrophe match with the Mayan date for
>Rio Cuarto"

>k'uxi Kamiko Lukarto, Amikoetik,

>Ed, it's interesting that the Maya had a date for Rio Cuarto.  Don you
>believe the Comenchingones communicated with the great Maya
>astronomers?   Or how else could you propose the Maya knew about
>craters in the heartland of Argentina?  They are nearly as far away
>from the craters as equatorial Africa is, right?!

>Best wishes, me^ tak'in,
>Doug







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From bobl at peaktopeak.com  Fri Nov 14 20:40:21 2008
From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:40:21 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] 911 Call for "just a meteorite" - don't miss
	thisstory!
In-Reply-To: <5bb98d570811141630n69a1bd92y6dacd4d676be4e1b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081115014036.9068B10543@mailwash5.pair.com>

Very interesting, Kevin.

All: If it was a meteorite and was orangish-yellow (or maybe she said
yellowish-orange) and had a black smoke trail behind it, does that mean that
it's still going through the atmosphere at cosmic speed and friction is
still burning it up?

If the atmosphere has slowed it down to terminal velocity and it's
free-falling around only 200 mph, it wouldn't have an ablation trail or be
fiery (as the orangish-yellow color would imply), right?

Regards,

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Kevin
Kichinka
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:31 PM
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] 911 Call for "just a meteorite" - don't miss
thisstory!

This morning's online edition of the Cleveland Plain Dealer posted an
article (linked below) about a falling object seen by several
witnesses. The paper contacted an "expert" at the terrific Cleveland
Museum of Natural History who didn't quite get his facts correct
regarding meteorites. I sent a message with better information and the
paper emailed me for a further discussion. In the last few minutes
they added three 911 calls from witnesses to the article- fabulous!


Nininger wrote that witnesses to these types of events are unprepared
for what they see and then can't correctly describe what they did see.
He called most eyewitness accounts "useless" (see Nakhla Dog,
Carancas, et al). The keyword here is "most." The first two 911 calls
seem to fall in that realm. Listen in and see what I mean.


The third call is golden. Don't miss it. She draws a road map to the
rock. Here's an excerpt:


"It looked like it hit a tree right about where (the police) you guys
are. It knocked off a branch. When it hit the ground it left some
white smoke, but the ground is wet so I thought it was "going out".
Anyway, I thought its probably just a meteorite."


I'm here in my Costa Rican home, but it looks like I've managed to get
three parties to hunt for the rock. Wouldn't it be great if something
is recovered?


It would be the closest a meteorite has ever fallen to Cleveland,
Ohio, my home town, where the "Tower's Terminal, and the Lake is
Erie."


Here's the fresh link to the article:
http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008/11/police_and_highway_patrol_sear.html

Kevin Kichinka
www.theartofcollectingmeteorites.com
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From bobl at peaktopeak.com  Fri Nov 14 20:44:33 2008
From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:44:33 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Greek Crater MAYA SAILORS
In-Reply-To: <00be01c946c1$5b0d71d0$274ae146@ATARIENGINE>
Message-ID: <20081115014445.27C6F1053D@mailwash5.pair.com>

I think we've jumped way OFF TOPIC here.   :-)

Bob 

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Sterling
K. Webb
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 6:28 PM
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com; mexicodoug at aim.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Greek Crater MAYA SAILORS

Hi, Doug, List,

Doug wrote:
> ...the Maya (not originally a seafaring culture)

    No one knows if they were "originally" a seafaring
people before they came to Yucatan in 2600 BC, but
they certainly became one. Here's a description of a
Maya coastal freighter (crew of 40, with lots of cargo)
encountered off Honduras by Columbus:
http://books.google.com/books?id=vfh70T0ZmEIC&pg=PA30&lpg=PA30&dq=columbus+m
aya+ship&source=web&ots=8StDQWW_vr&sig=iAN65nNm32Slcy_XK7ySYHqASdQ&hl=en&sa=
X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result
and here:
http://www.mesoweb.com/encyc/view.asp?record=6284&act=viewexact&view=normal&
word=Maya&wordAND=&redir=no

    The noble Columbus immediately stole their cargo,
declared them all slaves, gave them Spanish names,
and put them to work... for him.

    I haven't got the energy to dig them all out, but
a number of early sources mention encounters with
large sailing craft throughout the Carribean which
seem to have been Mayan for the most part but not
exlusively Mayan. The largest ship mentioned was
about 75% of the size of the Spanish ships (which
were puny by today's standards). The average Spanish
ship was 20-30m long with a 6m beam, or the size
of four city buses tied together.

    Far more items from various Carribean islands
are found in Mayan territory than the reverse, which
suggests to me the Maya were the traders (who always
get the better end of the deal). The Phoenicians of the
Carribean? Who knows? We sure don't. I do know
that trade goods from Meso-America are found where
I live 1500 miles up the Missippippi from the nearest
ocean.

    Anthropologists seem to all be Nebraskan grad
students with black dirt between their toes, totally
committed landlubbers, and they have planted their
prejudices firmly in the science: the sea is a barrier
impassible to men not equipped with steamships!

    Pliny recorded the arrival on the shores of Gaul
a small wooden craft, "carved in one piece from a
tree trunk," with two reddish brown men with long
straight black hair, "like a horse's tail." So, the Maya
got to France, or the Caribs did. Alas (or Elas, as the
French say), it doesn't seem to have been a planned
voyage, as they had no food and water and were
quite dead on arrival, unable to discuss with learned
Pliny the vast lands they came from or to experience
French cooking. (Shall we decide this could only have
happened once in 2000 years?)

    I'm not for a minute claiming the Maya (or somebody)
sailed "1/6th of the way around the world"! But Hugo
Vihlen crossed the Atlantic in 1993 in a 5-foot-4-inch
boat. Amusingly, Villen first broke a world record for
crossing the Atlantic in a 5-foot, 11-inch boat in 1968.
His title was taken away from him in 1993 by Englishman,
Tom McNally, in a boat a few inches shorter, so...

    Shall I even mention John Fairfax and Sylvia Cook
who rowed a rowboat from San Francisco, CA to
AUSTRALIA in 361 days in 1971? And the scores of
other crazy people who have made incredible ocean
crossings in boats tiny, tinier, and tiniest? Here a short list:
http://www.microcruising.com/famoussmallboats.htm

    A powered boat is not relevant, I suppose, to the
Maya but in 1995, Seiko Nakajima in a 21ft boat with
a 2.5hp Tohatsu outboard motor arrived in New York City,
concluding an eight-month voyage that started in Basel,
Switzerland, by river, the Mediterranean, and the Atlantic.
Nakajima is a model boat builder rather than a nautical
engineer, and his boat is simply a large boat model made
from wood and plastic epoxied together...
http://www.tohatsu.com/news/seiko.html

    As far as I know, nobody's done it in a solar-
powered bath tub yet... Could happen anytime now.


Sterling K. Webb
-------------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <mexicodoug at aim.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 4:07 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Greek Crater


Hi Ed, (=Mee lek oyote Lukarto,)

Hours earlier I'd actually just returned from a trip through the
perilous, distant, and truly lawless mountaine region of the classic
proto-Maya civilization.  But I'm thankfully back safe now.  I can now
imagine without too much a leap of faith, how savagely dangerous this
was centuries ago.

After this mission of daredevilry bent on recovering a very special
item, I sent you appropriate greetings in a living written language
descended from the Maya, relating to your post at that moment.
Unfortunately the novelty is worn off by now and it is SSDD mode again.
  So send the scholars back to their codices, they couldn't have helped
anyways.

I appreciate your organization of progressive conjectures and will look
for your book somewhere lost in storage to review.  Things have been
very busy for me lately and I am so far behind in my basic scientific
reading that even this reply is a challenge which is my excuse for not
getting to your book.  But that is hardly the point of my question to
you.

I find your statement inadequate:
"have little doubt that the Maya, "Olmec", and others
dispatched "researchers" to the impact site."

Based on your justification(!!)(Conjecture):
"fragments were visible for a long time, they watched
them come in, and the resulting ecological collapse was
catastrophic."

The distances seem way too unreasonable.  Seeing this and then
=0
Afollowing it to Rio Cuarto.  Maybe the (prot-)Maya did triangulate nd
had a good map of South America beynd the Andes.  But, your
justification is purely circumstantial and it seems to me as a biased
solution looking for a problem.  The Maya mythology I read is far too
rudimentary (and not Maya style) to make this leap of faith as you've
done in your post.  More on this after I rant a bit in melancholic
pride, in a review of just who you are talking about with these vague
interpretations.  The Maya are te Germans and Swiss of the world of
precision in astronomy and math.

To my knowledge there is no prominent ecological destruction myth for
the Maya, nor for that matter any prominent comet, meteor, or impact
event (just a hurricane and his lightning bolts brothers) though you
may have a different spin on this.  Creation, in one popular mythology
version, came out of the water by feathered snakes which were Hurricane
and fellow brothers lightning bolts (Is this your thought?).  In any
case, this refers to creation, so the total destruction by big space
rock fragment idea seems contradictory and unsupported in a very
complex society.  Anyway the myth could mean just about anything you
want it to.

The Maya were the best mathematicians and astronomers in the world
through their time.  They understood and used zero in their mathematics
well before 36 B.C., being the first documented use anywhere
.  While
Western civilizations were in the dark the Maya maintained a better
written record (on better quality paper they developed in America) than
any papyrus of Alexandria.  The only sin against mankind's scientific
development worse than the destruction of the library at Alexandria by
zealots was the brute stupidity of gold diggers and carpetbaggers
calling themselves conquistadores (and in English, pirates), in the
form of ignorant Iberians that completely destroyed wholesale the
entire written record en masse of a scientifically more advanced
civilization by zealous and subjucating decree.  Only three randomly
surviving original books written by the Maya remain of our civilization
of city states of tens o million of inhabitants.  And in them we find
not only the most accurate calendars the world ever saw to that time,
but also the precise calculations of the ephemeris, rise and set times
of Venus and its daytime observation to refine predictions (when the
Greeks didn't even figure out that the morning and evening planet were
the same one), "we" are only today learning that some of the cyclical
behaviors they identified or Mars went over Western civilizations'
heads until we learned to read their remaining 3 books.  A people
supposed without telescopes with those daytime observations, that put
the Orion nebula (M42) at the center of the hearth for its nebulous
quality, a people that apparently believed they are descended f
rom the
Pleiades (M45) which, according to them, was a stellar nursery.
Imagine that, who would have ever imagined the Pleiades was a Stellar
nursery?  The length of the year the length of the Astronomical solar
year (365.24219 days) of the Maya was 365.2422 days and it took a while
for Europe to catch up after the fall of the Maya. With such precision,
it is no surprise that the Maya calculated and predicted future
eclipses well enough probably to entertain Fred Espenack today.

On the other hand, bloodletting was an important part of Maya culture,
not to mention the reputed 8,000 kilometer journey to Rio Cuarto
crossing the Andes and Darien would be filled with other problem beasty
folks along the way, jaguars, wild peccaries (javelinas), piranha,
lotsa snakes, congas and the like.  It is hard to believe that anything
except commerce could make the journey Moroccan style (passing durable
goods or dried seeds through many hands), and then the one back for a
total of 16,000 km.  Although the Maya predated DaVinci by recognizing
and incorporating the golden ratio in their calculations, they didn't
invent flying machines... You are asking the Maya (not originally a
seafaring culture) be Marco Polo.  Heck Europe was only 9,000 km away
by sea from Rio Cuarto even though it's in the southern hemisphere.  If
you want to believe that curious Maya (or proto-Maya) investigators
were dispatched to go check out20Rio Cuarto, Ed, well considering there
is no clear extant reference to the worthy to be called Maya.  These
are not marginal indigenous folks, you are talking about an
astronomical culture historically not to be confused with the
stereotypical "see great snake in the sky eat corn and spit smoke"
type.  Any (proto-)Maya geek astronomers attempting that journey at the
time wouldn't have made the trip of 1/6 of the world and back through
hundreds of unfriendly cultures that would have them for dinner.  Your
premises, I believe, unless you have a better explanation, are simply
too vague, unfeasible, and wishful in this specific case - or does your
book hold some secret as big as the codices themselves?

It just doesn't fit in my judgement so IMO the burden of rigorous proof
ought to be heavier on your shoulders before you can get away with such
statements.  As was said, "The weight of evidence for an extraordinary
claim must be proportioned to its strangeness."
Best wishes, me^ tak'in,
Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: E.P. Grondine <epgrondine at yahoo.com>
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 7:17 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Greek Crater


Hi Doug -

Not being fluent in Mayan, I had to rely on the translations of the
hieroglyph
scholars.

As for how the Maya knew about the impacts, the fragments were visible
for a
long time, they watched them come in, and the=2
0resulting ecological
collapse was
catastrophic. Everyone who survived talked about it afterwards, and I
have
little doubt that the Maya, "Olmec", and others dispatched
"researchers" to the
impact site.

When are you going to get out your magnifying glass and read your copy
of "Man and Impact in the Americas"?

good hunting,
Ed

>Lukarto G wrote:

>"The RC dates for this catastrophe match with the Mayan date for
>Rio Cuarto"

>k'uxi Kamiko Lukarto, Amikoetik,

>Ed, it's interesting that the Maya had a date for Rio Cuarto.  Don you
>believe the Comenchingones communicated with the great Maya
>astronomers?   Or how else could you propose the Maya knew about
>craters in the heartland of Argentina?  They are nearly as far away
>from the craters as equatorial Africa is, right?!

>Best wishes, me^ tak'in,
>Doug







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From yellowengine at earthlink.net  Fri Nov 14 21:04:44 2008
From: yellowengine at earthlink.net (RJP)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:04:44 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Millbillillie Revisited
Message-ID: <2971591.1226714684763.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Good Evening,

I have a lovely 212g individual complete with regmaglyps, glossy black fusion crust, and just enough staining, which adds to it's aesthetic qualities. $3180, OBO. All offers will be carefully considered.

Please email for photos if interested. Paypal accepted for those who wish to go that route. Must sell.

Cheers,

Ryan Pawelski 

From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov 14 21:27:06 2008
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:27:06 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Greek Crater MAYA SAILORS
References: <20081115014445.27C6F1053D@mailwash5.pair.com>
Message-ID: <00d801c946c9$a8608b40$274ae146@ATARIENGINE>

Hi, Bob, List,

    We didn't "jump." We ambled. EP opined
the Maya knew about the Rio Cuarto impact.
Doug opined they couldn't have gone there to
check, as the lands are impassible and the Maya
were not a seafaring people. And I opined they
were. See? An "amble," perhaps a "mosey,"
but not a jump.

    I don't think Doug appreciates that EP
believes this Rio Cuarto event to be only one
result of the chaos of a cometary breakup or
series of breakups in the inner solar system
which would bombard the Earth with small
rubble (and some bigger rubble, too). There
would plentiful evidence of what was going
on (however poorly understood) in the night
skies. Quite possibly nobody had to go
anywhere to see much of what was happening.

    Someone ought to mention that not all
investigators are convinced the Rio Cuarto
craters are the result of an impact:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rio_Cuarto_craters

    But debate continues without resolution. Just
Google "Rio Cuarto crates."

    On topic.


Sterling K. Webb
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Loeffler" <bobl at peaktopeak.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Greek Crater MAYA SAILORS


I think we've jumped way OFF TOPIC here.   :-)

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Sterling
K. Webb
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 6:28 PM
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com; mexicodoug at aim.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Greek Crater MAYA SAILORS

Hi, Doug, List,

Doug wrote:
> ...the Maya (not originally a seafaring culture)

    No one knows if they were "originally" a seafaring
people before they came to Yucatan in 2600 BC, but
they certainly became one. Here's a description of a
Maya coastal freighter (crew of 40, with lots of cargo)
encountered off Honduras by Columbus:
http://books.google.com/books?id=vfh70T0ZmEIC&pg=PA30&lpg=PA30&dq=columbus+m
aya+ship&source=web&ots=8StDQWW_vr&sig=iAN65nNm32Slcy_XK7ySYHqASdQ&hl=en&sa=
X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result
and here:
http://www.mesoweb.com/encyc/view.asp?record=6284&act=viewexact&view=normal&
word=Maya&wordAND=&redir=no

    The noble Columbus immediately stole their cargo,
declared them all slaves, gave them Spanish names,
and put them to work... for him.

    I haven't got the energy to dig them all out, but
a number of early sources mention encounters with
large sailing craft throughout the Carribean which
seem to have been Mayan for the most part but not
exlusively Mayan. The largest ship mentioned was
about 75% of the size of the Spanish ships (which
were puny by today's standards). The average Spanish
ship was 20-30m long with a 6m beam, or the size
of four city buses tied together.

    Far more items from various Carribean islands
are found in Mayan territory than the reverse, which
suggests to me the Maya were the traders (who always
get the better end of the deal). The Phoenicians of the
Carribean? Who knows? We sure don't. I do know
that trade goods from Meso-America are found where
I live 1500 miles up the Missippippi from the nearest
ocean.

    Anthropologists seem to all be Nebraskan grad
students with black dirt between their toes, totally
committed landlubbers, and they have planted their
prejudices firmly in the science: the sea is a barrier
impassible to men not equipped with steamships!

    Pliny recorded the arrival on the shores of Gaul
a small wooden craft, "carved in one piece from a
tree trunk," with two reddish brown men with long
straight black hair, "like a horse's tail." So, the Maya
got to France, or the Caribs did. Alas (or Elas, as the
French say), it doesn't seem to have been a planned
voyage, as they had no food and water and were
quite dead on arrival, unable to discuss with learned
Pliny the vast lands they came from or to experience
French cooking. (Shall we decide this could only have
happened once in 2000 years?)

    I'm not for a minute claiming the Maya (or somebody)
sailed "1/6th of the way around the world"! But Hugo
Vihlen crossed the Atlantic in 1993 in a 5-foot-4-inch
boat. Amusingly, Villen first broke a world record for
crossing the Atlantic in a 5-foot, 11-inch boat in 1968.
His title was taken away from him in 1993 by Englishman,
Tom McNally, in a boat a few inches shorter, so...

    Shall I even mention John Fairfax and Sylvia Cook
who rowed a rowboat from San Francisco, CA to
AUSTRALIA in 361 days in 1971? And the scores of
other crazy people who have made incredible ocean
crossings in boats tiny, tinier, and tiniest? Here a short list:
http://www.microcruising.com/famoussmallboats.htm

    A powered boat is not relevant, I suppose, to the
Maya but in 1995, Seiko Nakajima in a 21ft boat with
a 2.5hp Tohatsu outboard motor arrived in New York City,
concluding an eight-month voyage that started in Basel,
Switzerland, by river, the Mediterranean, and the Atlantic.
Nakajima is a model boat builder rather than a nautical
engineer, and his boat is simply a large boat model made
from wood and plastic epoxied together...
http://www.tohatsu.com/news/seiko.html

    As far as I know, nobody's done it in a solar-
powered bath tub yet... Could happen anytime now.


Sterling K. Webb
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: <mexicodoug at aim.com>
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Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 4:07 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Greek Crater


Hi Ed, (=Mee lek oyote Lukarto,)

Hours earlier I'd actually just returned from a trip through the
perilous, distant, and truly lawless mountaine region of the classic
proto-Maya civilization.  But I'm thankfully back safe now.  I can now
imagine without too much a leap of faith, how savagely dangerous this
was centuries ago.

After this mission of daredevilry bent on recovering a very special
item, I sent you appropriate greetings in a living written language
descended from the Maya, relating to your post at that moment.
Unfortunately the novelty is worn off by now and it is SSDD mode again.
  So send the scholars back to their codices, they couldn't have helped
anyways.

I appreciate your organization of progressive conjectures and will look
for your book somewhere lost in storage to review.  Things have been
very busy for me lately and I am so far behind in my basic scientific
reading that even this reply is a challenge which is my excuse for not
getting to your book.  But that is hardly the point of my question to
you.

I find your statement inadequate:
"have little doubt that the Maya, "Olmec", and others
dispatched "researchers" to the impact site."

Based on your justification(!!)(Conjecture):
"fragments were visible for a long time, they watched
them come in, and the resulting ecological collapse was
catastrophic."

The distances seem way too unreasonable.  Seeing this and then
=0
Afollowing it to Rio Cuarto.  Maybe the (prot-)Maya did triangulate nd
had a good map of South America beynd the Andes.  But, your
justification is purely circumstantial and it seems to me as a biased
solution looking for a problem.  The Maya mythology I read is far too
rudimentary (and not Maya style) to make this leap of faith as you've
done in your post.  More on this after I rant a bit in melancholic
pride, in a review of just who you are talking about with these vague
interpretations.  The Maya are te Germans and Swiss of the world of
precision in astronomy and math.

To my knowledge there is no prominent ecological destruction myth for
the Maya, nor for that matter any prominent comet, meteor, or impact
event (just a hurricane and his lightning bolts brothers) though you
may have a different spin on this.  Creation, in one popular mythology
version, came out of the water by feathered snakes which were Hurricane
and fellow brothers lightning bolts (Is this your thought?).  In any
case, this refers to creation, so the total destruction by big space
rock fragment idea seems contradictory and unsupported in a very
complex society.  Anyway the myth could mean just about anything you
want it to.

The Maya were the best mathematicians and astronomers in the world
through their time.  They understood and used zero in their mathematics
well before 36 B.C., being the first documented use anywhere
.  While
Western civilizations were in the dark the Maya maintained a better
written record (on better quality paper they developed in America) than
any papyrus of Alexandria.  The only sin against mankind's scientific
development worse than the destruction of the library at Alexandria by
zealots was the brute stupidity of gold diggers and carpetbaggers
calling themselves conquistadores (and in English, pirates), in the
form of ignorant Iberians that completely destroyed wholesale the
entire written record en masse of a scientifically more advanced
civilization by zealous and subjucating decree.  Only three randomly
surviving original books written by the Maya remain of our civilization
of city states of tens o million of inhabitants.  And in them we find
not only the most accurate calendars the world ever saw to that time,
but also the precise calculations of the ephemeris, rise and set times
of Venus and its daytime observation to refine predictions (when the
Greeks didn't even figure out that the morning and evening planet were
the same one), "we" are only today learning that some of the cyclical
behaviors they identified or Mars went over Western civilizations'
heads until we learned to read their remaining 3 books.  A people
supposed without telescopes with those daytime observations, that put
the Orion nebula (M42) at the center of the hearth for its nebulous
quality, a people that apparently believed they are descended f
rom the
Pleiades (M45) which, according to them, was a stellar nursery.
Imagine that, who would have ever imagined the Pleiades was a Stellar
nursery?  The length of the year the length of the Astronomical solar
year (365.24219 days) of the Maya was 365.2422 days and it took a while
for Europe to catch up after the fall of the Maya. With such precision,
it is no surprise that the Maya calculated and predicted future
eclipses well enough probably to entertain Fred Espenack today.

On the other hand, bloodletting was an important part of Maya culture,
not to mention the reputed 8,000 kilometer journey to Rio Cuarto
crossing the Andes and Darien would be filled with other problem beasty
folks along the way, jaguars, wild peccaries (javelinas), piranha,
lotsa snakes, congas and the like.  It is hard to believe that anything
except commerce could make the journey Moroccan style (passing durable
goods or dried seeds through many hands), and then the one back for a
total of 16,000 km.  Although the Maya predated DaVinci by recognizing
and incorporating the golden ratio in their calculations, they didn't
invent flying machines... You are asking the Maya (not originally a
seafaring culture) be Marco Polo.  Heck Europe was only 9,000 km away
by sea from Rio Cuarto even though it's in the southern hemisphere.  If
you want to believe that curious Maya (or proto-Maya) investigators
were dispatched to go check out20Rio Cuarto, Ed, well considering there
is no clear extant reference to the worthy to be called Maya.  These
are not marginal indigenous folks, you are talking about an
astronomical culture historically not to be confused with the
stereotypical "see great snake in the sky eat corn and spit smoke"
type.  Any (proto-)Maya geek astronomers attempting that journey at the
time wouldn't have made the trip of 1/6 of the world and back through
hundreds of unfriendly cultures that would have them for dinner.  Your
premises, I believe, unless you have a better explanation, are simply
too vague, unfeasible, and wishful in this specific case - or does your
book hold some secret as big as the codices themselves?

It just doesn't fit in my judgement so IMO the burden of rigorous proof
ought to be heavier on your shoulders before you can get away with such
statements.  As was said, "The weight of evidence for an extraordinary
claim must be proportioned to its strangeness."
Best wishes, me^ tak'in,
Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: E.P. Grondine <epgrondine at yahoo.com>
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 7:17 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Greek Crater


Hi Doug -

Not being fluent in Mayan, I had to rely on the translations of the
hieroglyph
scholars.

As for how the Maya knew about the impacts, the fragments were visible
for a
long time, they watched them come in, and the=2
0resulting ecological
collapse was
catastrophic. Everyone who survived talked about it afterwards, and I
have
little doubt that the Maya, "Olmec", and others dispatched
"researchers" to the
impact site.

When are you going to get out your magnifying glass and read your copy
of "Man and Impact in the Americas"?

good hunting,
Ed

>Lukarto G wrote:

>"The RC dates for this catastrophe match with the Mayan date for
>Rio Cuarto"

>k'uxi Kamiko Lukarto, Amikoetik,

>Ed, it's interesting that the Maya had a date for Rio Cuarto.  Don you
>believe the Comenchingones communicated with the great Maya
>astronomers?   Or how else could you propose the Maya knew about
>craters in the heartland of Argentina?  They are nearly as far away
>from the craters as equatorial Africa is, right?!

>Best wishes, me^ tak'in,
>Doug







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From mlblood at cox.net  Fri Nov 14 21:58:08 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:58:08 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Meteorite Auction
In-Reply-To: <00d801c946c9$a8608b40$274ae146@ATARIENGINE>
Message-ID: <C5437AC0.1BF73%mlblood@cox.net>

Thanks to those that responded,
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Contact me within the next 24 hrs and an extension can be arranged.
        New photos will be going up in the next 24 hrs of some nice pieces.
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From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 14 22:50:35 2008
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:50:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rio Cuarto
Message-ID: <876264.95622.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Doug, Sterling - 

Actually, Doug, the original Maya were sea going. When they first lived in Guatamala, the first domesticated corn came up along the Pacific coast via their trade. See "Man and Impact in the Americas". 

As far as impact events goes, the classic Maya even had one word for it "tz'oc", versus the two words we have to use in English.

Not only do the Palenque inscriptions give the date for the Rio Cuarto Impacts, they also give the date for Campo de Cielo, which also hit at "Matawil". 

Ed


      

From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 14 23:35:00 2008
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:35:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] (AD) 3 DOLLAR GOLD PIECE FOR METEORITE TRADE
Message-ID: <987004.20965.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi and good evening list.I am here to offer in trade a 1870 3-dollar gold piece for sikote-alins.The total mintage of the most rare of the gold pieces is only 3500 coins.One side has some wear,but the back side is beautiful.I have 2 pics upon request.Please only pristine sa's.NO SHRAPNAL!!

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From clp at alumni.caltech.edu  Fri Nov 14 23:59:50 2008
From: clp at alumni.caltech.edu (Chris Peterson)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:59:50 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] 911 Call for "just a meteorite" - don't
	missthisstory!
References: <20081115014036.9068B10543@mailwash5.pair.com>
Message-ID: <6B88C26F8A70436CA0D39713913925D7@bellatrix>

It is not uncommon to see red and orange, especially in slower fireballs. 
While the meteor is still visible (and with a smoke trail) it is moving at 
hypersonic velocity, miles up. If the body slows enough before it burns up, 
what's left falls slowly, dropping generally below any terminal explosion, 
or below the point where the meteor stops burning.

What the witnesses saw happened before it slowed down. Nothing would have 
been visible for a few minutes after that, while (maybe) meteorites were 
falling. Most people don't look up, so the meteors that are widely witnessed 
are usually near the horizon. People think that they are landing nearby, but 
of course they are far away, sometimes hundreds of miles. What you want to 
find are witnesses who saw the fireball disappear right overhead. Then you 
know you're in the right place to hunt for meteorites.

Chris

*****************************************
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Loeffler" <bobl at peaktopeak.com>
To: "'meteorite list'" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 911 Call for "just a meteorite" - don't 
missthisstory!


> Very interesting, Kevin.
>
> All: If it was a meteorite and was orangish-yellow (or maybe she said
> yellowish-orange) and had a black smoke trail behind it, does that mean 
> that
> it's still going through the atmosphere at cosmic speed and friction is
> still burning it up?
>
> If the atmosphere has slowed it down to terminal velocity and it's
> free-falling around only 200 mph, it wouldn't have an ablation trail or be
> fiery (as the orangish-yellow color would imply), right?
>
> Regards,
>
> Bob


From tett at rogers.com  Sat Nov 15 09:15:54 2008
From: tett at rogers.com (tett)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 09:15:54 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 3368 Pink Eucrite
Message-ID: <41344C91912C448380EBE0A62BBD9435@tett1>

Good morning list.

Have been missing the meteorite pic of the day (does anyone have news yet?) 
and so I thought I would post a pic of my latest baby.

A gorgeous eucrite with a subtle pink hue.  "A monomict eucrite breccia 
having large diogenite clasts and extremely fine grained basaltic clasts set 
in a light matrix having a pink hue!"

Purchased this slice from John Birdsell of Arizona.  The slice is perfect! 
Thickness does not vary by more than 0.1mm and both surfaces are finished to 
the best polish for this material.

Here is a pic: 
http://ca.geocities.com/tett at rogers.com/metpics/NWA3368_34.8g_a.jpg

My other "pic of the day" is from a small box of "quack" medicine I 
purchased.  From 1910 this box is unopened and contains a vial of "meteorite 
electric powder".  A little bit of ephemera showing how 100 years ago 
meteorites were already considered magic.

Here is a pic: 
http://ca.geocities.com/tett at rogers.com/metpics/Meteorite_electric_powder.JPG

Cheers!

Mike Tettenborn 


From STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com  Sat Nov 15 10:46:49 2008
From: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com (STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 10:46:49 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 3368 Pink Eucrite
Message-ID: <c06.43313fb2.365048e9@aol.com>

Very beautiful slice Mike, thanks for  sharing!  I'm missing the pick of the 
day as well.

What a cool find  with the meteorite powder!  I think it really is  magic.

Tom

In a message dated 11/15/2008 7:16:17 A.M. Mountain  Standard Time, 
tett at rogers.com writes:
Good morning list.

Have been  missing the meteorite pic of the day (does anyone have news yet?) 
and so I  thought I would post a pic of my latest baby.

A gorgeous eucrite with a  subtle pink hue.  "A monomict eucrite breccia 
having large diogenite  clasts and extremely fine grained basaltic clasts set 
in a light matrix  having a pink hue!"

Purchased this slice from John Birdsell of  Arizona.  The slice is perfect! 
Thickness does not vary by more than  0.1mm and both surfaces are finished to 
the best polish for this  material.

Here is a pic:  
http://ca.geocities.com/tett at rogers.com/metpics/NWA3368_34.8g_a.jpg

My  other "pic of the day" is from a small box of "quack" medicine I  
purchased.  From 1910 this box is unopened and contains a vial of  "meteorite 
electric powder".  A little bit of ephemera showing how 100  years ago 
meteorites were already considered magic.

Here is a pic:  
http://ca.geocities.com/tett at rogers.com/metpics/Meteorite_electric_powder.JPG

Cheers!

Mike  Tettenborn  

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From rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com  Sat Nov 15 12:46:04 2008
From: rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com (Rob Wesel)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 09:46:04 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite themed shirt
Message-ID: <2c3f01c9474a$08795090$6501a8c0@windows9bb74fe>

Found this on a website I frequent that advertises and sells a single shirt 
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From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:29:49 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Heat Shield, Auctions, Moon Rocket
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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:39:01 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad - Koba, Casper Catalog, SAU 001, NWA 869
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From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 15 17:05:06 2008
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:05:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] This day in meteorite history
Message-ID: <510774.13897.qm@web45614.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

This day in meteorite history...

Dhofar 850 find
One stone weighing 208g was found on November 15, 2002 in the Dhofar region of ??ntral Oman. It was classified as a LLS and the main mass is with the anonymous finder.

Dhofar 732 find
A small brownish stone weighing 17 g was found in the Dhofar region of Oman on November 15, 2002.
It was later classified as an Achondrite and the main mass is held by the anonymous finder.

Dhofar 700 find
Twelve dark-grey stones totalling 2770 g were found in the Dhofar region of Oman on November 15, 2002.
It was classified as a Diogenite and the main mass is held by the anonymous finder. 


      


From info at meteorites.com.au  Sat Nov 15 19:49:02 2008
From: info at meteorites.com.au (Jeff Kuyken)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:49:02 +1100
Subject: [meteorite-list] 2009 Meteorite Calendar
Message-ID: <F83B1D52F0CB49CAA27F8D4F152B8D5A@JeffPC>

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Cheers,

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:00:19 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Up To 45% Off In My Ebay Store!
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From info at meteorites.com.au  Sun Nov 16 06:45:15 2008
From: info at meteorites.com.au (Jeff Kuyken)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:45:15 +1100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Monthly Favourite
Message-ID: <0FE7D08D8C1A4A77A50EC72BD4399491@JeffPC>

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From mstreman53 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 16 13:45:45 2008
From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:45:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD : Trinitite - Atomite --Correction
Message-ID: <817894.13158.qm@web55208.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Well Mike, 
Twas a great account of trinitite up to the "tektite comparison". Trinitite is awesome enough in its own right, but no where have I ever seen it suggested these are tektite-like in the sense of fall-back/splash-forms. So if you have any references, please forward, I'd like to ad them to my reading resources. In fact we know it wasn't splash form-- it was more akin to a ceramic glaze.

The concept that these were "fall back" just doesn't "hold water" given that the trinitite "formation" was restricted a huge shallow "glass bowl" before it was bulldozed to contain contamination and souvenir collectors. We know now, leaving it alone would have been more effective for both counts but the point is trinitie didn't sprinkle back little particles of molten glass.  It was a giant glass puddle never exceeding 3 inches(?) thickness(excepting 1or2 4in. nodules?). It is chemically identical to the average soil composition.  Trinitite was formed "in situ" not fireball fall back. 

I've been to all three 1945 "ground zero" sites.  I have seen that ANY fusible (melt-able)surface (within a given temperature envelope in the vicinity of ground zero) flash melted and flowed(sometimes up slope),e.g. sand, soil, roofing tiles, ceramic tea pots, granite and dolerite/diabase cobbbles. 

Elton

PS: There are many many lbs of trinite which was collected legally after the government withdrew in 1945 and when the site was reabsorbed by White Sands Missile Range's predecessor(50's).  There was a rockshop/ junk store right out the Stallion Gate of White Sands Missile Range that had buckets of it and I surmise this was the intermediate source for the available trinitie to collectors.  BTW the Trinity Site Nat'l Historical Site is open 2 times a year (March and October?) Details on the WSMR website.  Trinitie as a substance is safe to ship/possess and should not be a problem for shipping it across borders.  The radiation that was associated with the site was primarily alpha and the mailing standard is detectability outside the package.

--- On Thu, 11/13/08, Michael Gilmer <michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com> wrote:
 AD : Trinitite - Atomite - Alamogordo Glass - Bulk Lots

> Hi Folks!
> 
> While not a meteorite, it can be argued that Trinitite is a
> man-made "tektite" of sorts.  Given that this
> material was sucked up into the mushroom cloud, formed into blobs
> and then rained back to Earth, splattering all
> over the Trinity test site.  According to the articles
> about trinitite, the exact composition of the Trinitite
> varied according to where it formed in relation to Ground
> Zero and what particular elements became infused
> in a given mass of trinitite during formation.  Native
> elemental components in the desert landscape combined
> with fissile products, pieces of the bomb casing, cabling,
> the gantry, and anything else that was swept into
> the fireball.  It's a fascinating material to
> comtemplate because of what it represents - it is a time
> capsule or
> snapshot from the very moment mankind unleashed the latent
> power of the atom.  The only mineral material
> I can think of that might have more historical significance
> would be moon dust from Neil Armstrong's boots
> on the day of the first lunar landing.  
> 


From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 16 16:05:15 2008
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:05:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] question on overseas purchases - Morocco
Message-ID: <828313.69830.qm@web45601.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I have been offered some real nice material from a person in Morocco, I am really interested in purchasing from him, but I am unsure of the method he wants paid with... wire transfer.
I have never paid with wire transfer, is it safe? can paypal really not work for payments to Africa? Is this a normal method for payment of large orders?
If anyone is familiar with Mr Fayssal, please let me know off list that he can be trusted.
He has sent me some real nice pics, but I cant find anything about him on the web.
Thanks,
Greg


      


From meteoritefinder at gmail.com  Sun Nov 16 16:14:13 2008
From: meteoritefinder at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:14:13 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] This is not the picture of the day but.....
Message-ID: <468bf6050811161314m66c9207bpb13a015e0ead0c26@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all I have not been adding to my collection for some time but I
think I am going to be adding this one to the personal collection. So
I thought I would share a picture. Comments are welcomed.
http://www.meteoritefinder.com/catalog/canyon-col-4094.htm

--
Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401
www.meteoritefinder.com
    928-753-6825

From bristolia at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 16 17:11:26 2008
From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:11:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] The British Royal Society Digital Archives are
	open (free) to public until Feb 2009
Message-ID: <194119.77231.qm@web36206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The British Royal Society Digital Archives are open to public
until February 2009. Until then, people can download PDF files
from their archives. A search for meteorites yielded 141 results
as found at:

http://journals.royalsociety.org/content/?k=meteorite&sortorder=asc

Information on the archive can be found here:

http://publishing.royalsociety.org/index.cfm?page=1600

While the archive itself can be accessed here:

http://journals.royalsociety.org/home/main.mpx

It might be time for folks to look over their wishlists and
see what you can download in the next 3 months.

Yours,

Paul H.



      

From mikewren at gilanet.com  Sun Nov 16 17:32:00 2008
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:32:00 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Up To 45% Off In My Ebay Store! Ends In A few
	Hours!
References: <DE9F98B0-7B76-4F6B-A8CA-5D7211E42767@gilanet.com>
Message-ID: <197C6637-E6BF-4838-9C76-828B48D5AFA9@gilanet.com>




>
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
> A quick Sale in my Ebay Store with Big, Big Savings.... About 8  
> hours left!
>
> http://stores.ebay.com/voyage-botanica-natural-history
>
> Thanks and Best Wishes
>
> Michael Cottingham


From markig at westnet.com  Sun Nov 16 17:32:16 2008
From: markig at westnet.com (Mark Grossman)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:32:16 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] The British Royal Society Digital Archives
	areopen (free) to public until Feb 2009
References: <194119.77231.qm@web36206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002101c9483b$2e0416a0$6601a8c0@QED>

Well,

I clicked on the first link below, and what did I pull up - a list of
articles - and the very first item is an article that I wrote on Smithson
Tennant last year!  It was my first publication in a peer-reviewed journal
on the history of science.

I became involved with collecting meteorites through my other interest -
collecting autographs of famous scientists.  I obtained a letter written by
Alexander von Humboldt, started to research it, and one thing led to
another, and before I knew it, I was collecting meteorites.  The article
entitled "Smithson Tennant: meteorites and the final trip to France" details
Tennant's, as well as my journey, into the world of meteorites.

Writing the article also led me to join the meteorite list, as well as focus
my interest on the provenance of meteorite samples.

It's an interesting story - Tennant was involved with the Cape of Good Hope
and Limerick meteorites.

In any event, for those of you who decide to read the article, hope you
enjoy it!

Mark Grossman


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul" <bristolia at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 5:11 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] The British Royal Society Digital Archives areopen
(free) to public until Feb 2009


> The British Royal Society Digital Archives are open to public
> until February 2009. Until then, people can download PDF files
> from their archives. A search for meteorites yielded 141 results
> as found at:
>
> http://journals.royalsociety.org/content/?k=meteorite&sortorder=asc
>
> Information on the archive can be found here:
>
> http://publishing.royalsociety.org/index.cfm?page=1600
>
> While the archive itself can be accessed here:
>
> http://journals.royalsociety.org/home/main.mpx
>
> It might be time for folks to look over their wishlists and
> see what you can download in the next 3 months.
>
> Yours,
>
> Paul H.
>
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________
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> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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From m_graul at yahoo.de  Sun Nov 16 18:18:25 2008
From: m_graul at yahoo.de (Mirko Graul)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:18:25 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: NWA 5289 first IVA iron from NWA
Message-ID: <235015.30609.qm@web26306.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hello List and friends of iron meteorites,

today i will offer my new nice iron from NWA.
NWA 5289 is 10th official and the 1th IVA iron from NWA and is published
in the Meteoritical Bulletin Nr.94 page 16

http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/docs/mb94_draft.pdf

The Tkw is only 296g.
Without the samples for the classification and the main mass in my 
collection i have only 6 slices for sale.
5 slices you can find on my webside.
The largest slice for sale is a thick slice with a weight of 48,1g.
By interest for the heavy slice please contact me off list.
All slices are in a collectors box and free shipping registered worldwide.
Here the link to the sale page:

http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af9b580700b01/index.php

Thank you for your interest Mirko

Mirko Graul Meteorite 
Quittenring.4 
16321 Bernau 
GERMANY 

Phone: 0049-1724105015 
E-Mail: m_graul at yahoo.de 
WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de 

Member of The Meteoritical Society 
(International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery Science) 

IMCA-Member: 2113 
(International Meteorite Collectors Association)



      

From searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 16 20:23:47 2008
From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net (Brian Cox)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:23:47 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] SALE REDUCED PRICE on ESTHERVILLE METEORITE 31
	GRAMS ENDS TONIGHT
Message-ID: <024301c94853$2475dfc0$4001a8c0@BRIANSCOMPUTER>

Hello List Members,

I hope everyone is having a Great weekend!

I have a very nice Estherville 31.0 grams Mesosiderite with
beautiful metal and a matrix of olivine
that ends tonight at 19:35 pm Pacific time.
It comes with a great looking membrane clear display box and I'm paying
for
   the shipping by USPS Priority mail anywhere in the US.
   Normal shipping rates apply outside the US.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280284162066&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=018


Thanks for looking.

       Brian Cox

       searchingforfun on ebay

       IMCA # 6387 


From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 16 19:14:44 2008
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:14:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD : Trinitite - Atomite --Correction
In-Reply-To: <817894.13158.qm@web55208.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <662124.40452.qm@web58406.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi Elton and group,

I stand corrected.  And I am glad you chimed in to clarify the differences between tektite and trinitite
formation.  Admittedly, I focus most of my learning on meteorites and tektites/impactites have been
a secondary consideration.  My comparison of trinitite to "tektites" was based on some visual comparisons
between samples of Edeowie Glass and trinitite.  Both share some general similarities in appearance.  And
that makes me wonder if Edeowie Glass was formed in-situ like trinitite, as Elton described.  If so, then
I guess a better (but still invalid) comparison for me to make would be trinitite as an "impactite".

Again, my knowledge of tektites and impactites is sorely lacking, so Elton or anyone else feel free to
jump in and school me here.  At any rate, I'll forgo any future comparisons between tektites and trinitite,
because I don't want to be treading into areas where I have no expertise to justify my statements. 

Consider me happily and humbly schooled. ;) 

I'd love to visit the Trinity site and when I head out that way eventually, I'll plan the trip around
the dates that the site is open to the public. :)

BTW, my thanks to everyone who responded to my ad for trinitite lots.  I sold out of everything I had,
and I bought some more from my source.  I now have another 500 gram lot coming to me and I will
sell smaller lots to interested buyers. :)

Regards and clear skies,

MikeG






.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
..........................................................



--- On Sun, 11/16/08, Mr EMan <mstreman53 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Mr EMan <mstreman53 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD : Trinitite - Atomite --Correction
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com
> Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 12:45 PM
> Well Mike, 
> Twas a great account of trinitite up to the "tektite
> comparison". Trinitite is awesome enough in its own
> right, but no where have I ever seen it suggested these are
> tektite-like in the sense of fall-back/splash-forms. So if
> you have any references, please forward, I'd like to ad
> them to my reading resources. In fact we know it wasn't
> splash form-- it was more akin to a ceramic glaze.
> 
> The concept that these were "fall back" just
> doesn't "hold water" given that the trinitite
> "formation" was restricted a huge shallow
> "glass bowl" before it was bulldozed to contain
> contamination and souvenir collectors. We know now, leaving
> it alone would have been more effective for both counts but
> the point is trinitie didn't sprinkle back little
> particles of molten glass.  It was a giant glass puddle
> never exceeding 3 inches(?) thickness(excepting 1or2 4in.
> nodules?). It is chemically identical to the average soil
> composition.  Trinitite was formed "in situ" not
> fireball fall back. 
> 
> I've been to all three 1945 "ground zero"
> sites.  I have seen that ANY fusible (melt-able)surface
> (within a given temperature envelope in the vicinity of
> ground zero) flash melted and flowed(sometimes up
> slope),e.g. sand, soil, roofing tiles, ceramic tea pots,
> granite and dolerite/diabase cobbbles. 
> 
> Elton
> 
> PS: There are many many lbs of trinite which was collected
> legally after the government withdrew in 1945 and when the
> site was reabsorbed by White Sands Missile Range's
> predecessor(50's).  There was a rockshop/ junk store
> right out the Stallion Gate of White Sands Missile Range
> that had buckets of it and I surmise this was the
> intermediate source for the available trinitie to
> collectors.  BTW the Trinity Site Nat'l Historical Site
> is open 2 times a year (March and October?) Details on the
> WSMR website.  Trinitie as a substance is safe to
> ship/possess and should not be a problem for shipping it
> across borders.  The radiation that was associated with the
> site was primarily alpha and the mailing standard is
> detectability outside the package.
> 
> --- On Thu, 11/13/08, Michael Gilmer
> <michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com> wrote:
>  AD : Trinitite - Atomite - Alamogordo Glass - Bulk Lots
> 
> > Hi Folks!
> > 
> > While not a meteorite, it can be argued that Trinitite
> is a
> > man-made "tektite" of sorts.  Given that
> this
> > material was sucked up into the mushroom cloud, formed
> into blobs
> > and then rained back to Earth, splattering all
> > over the Trinity test site.  According to the articles
> > about trinitite, the exact composition of the
> Trinitite
> > varied according to where it formed in relation to
> Ground
> > Zero and what particular elements became infused
> > in a given mass of trinitite during formation.  Native
> > elemental components in the desert landscape combined
> > with fissile products, pieces of the bomb casing,
> cabling,
> > the gantry, and anything else that was swept into
> > the fireball.  It's a fascinating material to
> > comtemplate because of what it represents - it is a
> time
> > capsule or
> > snapshot from the very moment mankind unleashed the
> latent
> > power of the atom.  The only mineral material
> > I can think of that might have more historical
> significance
> > would be moon dust from Neil Armstrong's boots
> > on the day of the first lunar landing.  
> >


      

From radio_ranch at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 17 01:09:00 2008
From: radio_ranch at yahoo.com (Pat Brown)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:09:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] O'Keefe _Tektites and Their Origin_ full contents
	on website
Message-ID: <814547.34718.qm@web51309.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Dear Listoids, 

This may be old news for some of you, but at the risk of repeating, the full content of a quite hard to find and expensive book on Tektites is available in full and quite free at:

http://originoftektites.com/index.php

The website explains that O'Keefe's work was sold as a book by Elsevier in the form of one arrangement but that the work was paid for by the US taxpayers and hence in the public domain. The above mentioned website contains the full text and all the figures, drawings, charts and phtots as published in the book. 

Enjoy

Best Regards, 
        Pat Brown
        Scientific Lifestyle Meteorites
        Engineer by vocation, meteorite hunter while on vacation

From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 17 02:47:03 2008
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:47:03 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] O'Keefe _Tektites and Their Origin_ full
	contentson website
References: <814547.34718.qm@web51309.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002b01c94888$af191ae0$274ae146@ATARIENGINE>

Hi, Pat, List,

    The website is a work in progress, and is not yet
completed. The Intro and first six chapters are done,
but chapters 7-10 and the bibliography are not there.
The last work done is presumably chapter six and it
is dated early in 2007. I cannot say why it has remained
incomplete and the website makes no comment on
any timetable.

    Still, the first six chapters (complete with all the
illustrations and diagrams) are a wonderful resource
all by themselves. I hope whoever is doing this can
complete the job.


Sterling K. Webb
--------------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pat Brown" <radio_ranch at yahoo.com>
To: "Meteorite" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 12:09 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] O'Keefe _Tektites and Their Origin_ full 
contentson website


Dear Listoids,

This may be old news for some of you, but at the risk of repeating, the full 
content of a quite hard to find and expensive book on Tektites is available 
in full and quite free at:

http://originoftektites.com/index.php

The website explains that O'Keefe's work was sold as a book by Elsevier in 
the form of one arrangement but that the work was paid for by the US 
taxpayers and hence in the public domain. The above mentioned website 
contains the full text and all the figures, drawings, charts and phtots as 
published in the book.

Enjoy

Best Regards,
        Pat Brown
        Scientific Lifestyle Meteorites
        Engineer by vocation, meteorite hunter while on vacation
______________________________________________
http://www.meteoritecentral.com
Meteorite-list mailing list
Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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From qwalkra at mailbox.ezadsl.net.au  Mon Nov 17 05:01:05 2008
From: qwalkra at mailbox.ezadsl.net.au (Bob WALKER)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:01:05 +1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] QMIG update
Message-ID: <F243A8AC49464E6D91E4CCDBC335BF01@your0a700f0aaf>

Listoids

QMIG update at http://www.qmig.org

looks like another new find from the Tenham strewnfield and I'm looong 
overdue for a rant on a certain subject

Cheers



From mpg444 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 17 10:22:09 2008
From: mpg444 at yahoo.com (Mike Groetz)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:22:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] =?utf-8?q?Heavenly_Sight_Has_Hobbyists=E2=80=99_?=
	=?utf-8?q?Eyes_Grounded?=
Message-ID: <837884.62795.qm@web33008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

http://www.swtimes.com/articles/2008/11/17/news/news03.txt

Heavenly Sight Has Hobbyists? Eyes Grounded

By Rusty Garrett
Sunday, November 16, 2008 11:55 AM CST
TIMES RECORD ? RGARRETT at SWTIMES.COM

A local amateur astronomer with a 35-year interest in the field is on a search he likens to finding a needle in a haystack. Right now, he is seeking help in just locating the haystack.

Mark Balzer of Spiro was among the hundreds who spotted a bright meteor blazing across the Arkansas and Oklahoma sky Nov. 8.

Balzer said he was outside observing other falling stars resulting from the Taurid meteor shower, an annual autumn occurrence known to produce some exceptionally bright fireballs occasionally.

On his Spaceweather.com Web site, NASA?s Dr. Tony Phillips noted 2008 was to be a ?swarm year? for Taurids, with the peak period between Nov. 4 and Nov. 12.

Balzer said at about 8:35 p.m., out of the west, where he had not expected to see anything, a bright fireball emerged.

The meteor, which Balzer said was more than half as bright as the moon, traveled nearly overhead his home east of Spiro from west to east across the sky.

The object broke up at an altitude Balzer estimates at 40 to 50 miles above the ground.

?The most apparent color was white with strong green at breakup, although shades of blue, red and orange were also apparent,? he said.

Three to four minutes later, three sonic booms were heard.

According to Bob Moody, director and caretaker of the Coleman Observatory near Van Buren, the booms are significant.

?Bright Fireball?

In a post on the Web site of the Arkansas-Oklahoma Astrological Society, www.aoas.org, Moody wrote:

?The fireball and sonic boom ... means that whatever produced these effects actually penetrated much deeper into the atmosphere than the vast majority of meteors that enter our atmosphere daily. Should enough sightings be reported, researchers can sometimes calculate whether there may have been a meteorite produced by the event, and in more rare cases, can estimate where the object(s) might have landed. THIS IS RARE! The fact that the sound barrier was broken by some object that created a bright fireball is a marvelous sight to behold, and should a meteorite have come from such an event, it would be the first known from the Ft. Smith/Van Buren area. I would be very interested in hearing about your reports, and I prefer that all reports be posted here to allow the readers of our forum to share your experience.?

Balzer said using his own observation and accounts of the sighting he has received, he estimated the object broke up south of Fort Smith, but was heading a little north of east. He plotted the path on a map and said given the angle of descent, it looks like it may have traveled in the direction of Charleston.

Balzer said a witness in east Fort Smith told him, ?I looked up just in time to see a red/yellow object that split in two pieces and go dim. It was accompanied with a whooshing sound like an object going through the air.? That person said the object appeared to fall to earth along Zero and Massard, or maybe south of that area.

Another observer who lives on Industrial Park Road in Van Buren wrote Balzer a description. He said the object was ?glowing brilliantly white ... a third the size of the moon at its brightest.

?Then it turned an opulent aqua blue and started to dim a bit. As it was dying, it split into two pieces. One piece died out quicker than the other, but the other soon followed.?

He also related bearings of the object and said he did not hear the sonic boom.

A Photograph?

Moody received an exciting response to his request for reports from Brian Emfinger, a television photographer who had a camera trained on the sky over Spiro at the time the fireball appeared. Emfinger submitted the picture, which is on the Web site. While he expressed doubt the photo captured the actual fireball in question, the time stamp on the photo was 8:25 p.m.

Moody replied to Emfinger in a message suggesting the picture is ?most likely? the object of interest.

Both Balzer and Moody agree that more information is needed from observers.

Moody says in his message to Emfinger that the brightness of the moon during the incident may have detracted from its brilliance. Had it occurred on a dark night, he said the meteor ?would have caused a lot more people to notice it.?

Moody also said reports from other areas ? he suggests observations from the Little Rock-to-Columbia, Mo., or the Tulsa-to-Topeka areas could provide a perspective helpful in determining where the object may have landed.

Balzer said he too is soliciting more observations. He can be contacted by e-mail at 2008meteor at gmail.com.

?If someone would come forward and say they ... saw a light get very bright then fade, with no track, that would indicate that this was headed right for their area,? he said.

He also wonders if any security cameras could have caught a picture of the object as it streaked by.

?If there?s enough observations, it will be possible to figure out approximately where these fragments landed,? Balzer said, adding, ?I doubt anything will be found, but you never know.?

Don?t Touch!

He said as unlikely as it sounds, the discovery might come from someone close enough to the object to have heard a thud as it struck the ground or hit a rooftop.

?If anyone does find something? ? and he said chunks of the meteor would likely be charred looking ? ?they should leave it alone and report it,? Balzer said, noting trained observers can learn much from seeing the object where it landed. He cautions against notifying police, who probably have better things to do.

Moody asks that those with eyewitness accounts either write them to his e-mail: bobmoody at aoas.org or log on to the AOAS Web site and leave a message in the forum.

?I personally doubt anything fell to the ground from it, but I need more data,? he said.

Discoveries are not unheard of. Balzer cited several instances of meteorite recovery in recent years. In 1998, two stones, each weighing just under three pounds, were found inside the city of Monahans, Texas. They were less than 65 miles from a location where a very bright light and two sonic booms were reported.

Moody has researched and written on the June 8, 1920, ?great Oklahoma fireball? that entered the earth?s atmosphere near the Arkansas-Louisiana border and traveled west-northwest, passing low in the sky over the Muldrow and Sallisaw area.

Moody concluded that remains of the fireball likely hit the ground, but none have ever been found.

 
 



      

From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Mon Nov 17 14:02:02 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:02:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Controllers Cheer as Data Arrive from NASA's
	Spirit Rover
Message-ID: <200811171902.LAA02979@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/newsroom/pressreleases/20081113a.html

Controllers Cheer as Data Arrive from NASA's Spirit Rover
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
November 13, 2008

NASA's Mars Exploration Rover Spirit communicated via the Mars Odyssey
orbiter today right at the time when ground controllers had told it to,
prompting shouts of "She's talking!" among the rover team at NASA's Jet
Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.

"This means Spirit has not gone into a fault condition and is still
being controlled by sequences we send from the ground," said John Callas
of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., project manager
for Spirit and its twin, Opportunity.

The solar-powered rover still has low energy, a condition worsened by a
dust storm in recent days. Today's communication confirmed that Spirit
had received commands sent on Tuesday and that the battery charge had
not fallen low enough to trigger a pre-programmed fault mode.

Callas said, "The baby is crying, which means it is healthy enough to
communicate normally. Now we are analyzing the data we've received to
determine what the next commands should be, but this is all good news."

Spirit has been operating on Mars for nearly five years in an
exploration mission originally planned to last three months. The recent
dust storm is clearing, but a coating of dust on Spirit's solar panels
is reducing the rover's ability to generate electricity even when the
sky is clear.

###

Guy Webster 818-354-6278
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, California
Guy.Webster at jpl.nasa.gov

NEWS RELEASE: 2008-212


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Mon Nov 17 15:15:38 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:15:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Gamma-Ray Evidence Suggests Ancient Mars Had Oceans
Message-ID: <200811172015.MAA03041@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



FROM: Lori Stiles (520-626-4402; lstiles at u.arizona.edu)
(Editors: Science contact information, image URLs at the end)

Gamma-Ray Evidence Suggests Ancient Mars Had Oceans

An international team of scientists who analyzed data from the Gamma Ray
Spectrometer onboard NASA's Mars Odyssey reports new evidence for the
controversial idea that oceans once covered about a third of ancient Mars.

"We compared Gamma Ray Spectrometer data on potassium, thorium and iron above
and below a shoreline believed to mark an ancient ocean that covered a third of
Mars' surface, and an inner shoreline believed to mark a younger, smaller
ocean," said University of Arizona planetary geologist James M. Dohm, who led
the international investigation.

"Our investigation posed the question, Might we see a greater concentration of
these elements within the ancient shorelines because water and rock containing
the elements moved from the highlands to the lowlands, where they eventually
ponded as large water bodies?" Dohm said.

Mars Odyssey's GRS, or Gamma Ray Spectrometer, led by William Boynton of UA's
Lunar and Planetary Laboratory, has the unique ability to detect elements
buried as much as 1/3 meter, or 13 inches, below the surface by the gamma rays
they emit. That capability led to GRS' dramatic 2002 discovery of water-ice
near the surface throughout much of high-latitude Mars.

Results from Mars Odyssey and other spacecraft suggest that past watery
conditions likely leached, transported and concentrated such elements as
potassium, thorium and iron, Dohm said. "The regions below and above the two
shoreline boundaries are like cookie cutouts that can be compared to the
regions above the boundaries, as well as the total region."

The younger, inner shoreline is evidence that an ocean about 10 times the size
of the Mediterranean Sea, or about the size of North America, existed on the
northern plains of Mars a few billion years ago. The larger, more ancient
shoreline that covered a third of Mars held an ocean about 20 times the size of
the Mediterranean, the researchers estimate.

The potassium-thorium-iron enriched areas occur below the older and younger
paleo-ocean boundaries with respect to the entire region, they said. The
scientists used data from Mars Global Surveyor's laser altimeter for
topographic maps of the regions in their study.

They are reporting their findings in the article, "GRS Evidence and the
Possibility of Paleo-oceans on Mars." The article will be published in a
special edition of Planetary and Space Science, which stems from a June 2007
workshop on Mars and its Earth analogs held in Trento, Italy. UA Regents'
Professor Victor Baker and Boynton, and other scientists from the United
States, Italy, Spain, South Korea and Canada are co-authors.

Scientific debate on the possible existence of ancient Martian oceans marked by
shorelines was sparked by several studies almost 20 years ago. One such study,
by Baker and colleagues at the UA Lunar and Planetary Laboratory, proposed that
a few billion years ago, erupting magma unleashed floods far greater than
Brazil's Amazon River. The floods ponded in the northern lowlands of Mars,
forming seas and lakes that triggered relatively warmer and wetter conditions
that lasted tens of thousands of years.

Scientists are driven to understand how and when water existed on Mars because
water is critical to life.

Spacecraft images going back to Mariner 9 in the early 1970s and the Viking
orbiters and landers later in the 1970s showed widespread evidence for a watery
past for Mars. Images and other information from a flotilla of U.S. and European
Mars orbiters have sharpened the details in the past decade, they added. Results
from Mars Global Surveyor, Mars Odyssey, Mars Express and Mars Reconnaissance
Orbiter highlight a water-and-ice-sculpted Martian landscape.

Scientists studying spacecraft images have a hard time confirming "shoreline"
landforms, the researchers said, because Mars shorelines would look different
from Earth's shorelines. Earth's coastal shorelines are largely a direct result
of powerful tides caused by gravitational interaction between Earth and the
moon, but Mars lacks a sizable moon. Another difference is that lakes or seas
on Mars could have formed largely from giant debris flows and liquefied
sediments. Still another difference is that Mars oceans may have been
ice-covered, which would prevent wave action.

"The GRS adds key information to the long-standing oceans-on-Mars controversy,"
Dohm said. "But the debate is likely to continue well into the future, perhaps
even when scientists can finally walk the Martian surface with instruments in
hand, with a network of smarter spaceborne, airborne and ground-based robotic
systems in their midst."

SCIENCE CONTACTS:
James M. Dohm (520-626-8454; jmd at hwr.arizona.edu)
Victor R. Baker (520-621-7875; baker at hwr.arizona.edu)
William V. Boynton (520-621-6941; wboynton at lpl.arizona.edu)

IMAGES FOR DOWNLOAD:
http://images.uanews.org/dohm_fig1.jpg
http://images.uanews.org/dohm_fig2.jpg

CAPTIONS:

dohm_fig1.jpg
This 3D map superimposes gamma-ray data from Mars Odyssey's Gamma-Ray
Spectrometer onto topographic data from the laser altimeter onboard the Mars
Global Surveyor.  The red arrow indicates the shield volcanoes of Elysium rise
in northern Mars, seen obliquely to the southeast. Blue-to-violet colors at the
Elysium rise and highlands stretching to the foreground of the map mark areas
poor in potassium.  Red-to-yellow colors mark potassium-rich sedimentary
deposits in lowlands below the Mars Pathfinder landing site (PF) and Viking 1
landing site (V1).

dohm_fig2.jpg
This top illustration shows the location of theTharsis volcanic region and
Valles Marineris in the context of the hypothesized larger, ancient ocean and
smaller, more recent ocean in Mars' northern lowland planes. Victor Baker and
others from The University of Arizona have long argued that Tharsis volcanism
unleashed great floods that carved large outflow channels and deposited
sediment carried from the southern cratered highlands to the northern lowland
plains, where water formed lakes and oceans and changed climate for thousands
of years. The lower part of the illustration explains the mechanism.


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Mon Nov 17 15:24:45 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:24:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Early Warning of Dangerous Asteroids and Comet
	(Lincoln Lab Telescope)
Message-ID: <200811172024.MAA09588@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/panstarrs-1117.html  

Early warning of dangerous asteroids and comets
Detectors developed at Lincoln Laboratory deployed in powerful telescope
David Chandler, MIT News Office
November 17, 2008

Silicon chips developed at MIT Lincoln Laboratory are at the heart of a
new survey telescope that will soon provide a more than fivefold
improvement in scientists' ability to detect asteroids and comets that
could someday pose a threat to the planet.

The prototype telescope installed on Haleakala mountain, Maui, will
begin operation this December. It will feature the world's largest and
most advanced digital camera, using the Lincoln Laboratory silicon
chips. This telescope is the first of four that will be housed together
in one dome. The system, called Pan-STARRS (for Panoramic Survey
Telescope and Rapid Response System), is being developed at the
University of Hawaii's Institute for Astronomy.

"This is a truly giant instrument," said University of Hawaii astronomer
John Tonry, who led the team developing the new 1.4-gigapixel camera.
"We get an image that is 38,000 by 38,000 pixels in size, or about 200
times larger than you get in a high-end consumer digital camera."

Pan-STARRS, whose cameras cover an area of sky six times the width of
the full moon and can detect stars 10 million times fainter than those
visible to the naked eye, is also unique in its ability to find moving
or variable objects.

Lincoln Laboratory's charge-coupled device (CCD) technology is a key
enabling technology for the telescope's camera. In the mid-1990s,
Lincoln Laboratory researchers Barry Burke and Dick Savoye of the
Advanced Imaging Technology Group, in collaboration with Tonry, who was
then working at MIT, developed the orthogonal-transfer charge-coupled
device (OTCCD), a CCD that can shift its pixels to cancel the effects of
random image motion. Many consumer digital cameras use a moving lens or
chip mount to provide camera-motion compensation and thus reduce blur,
but the OTCCD does this electronically at the pixel level and at much
higher speeds.

The challenge presented by the Pan-STARRS camera is its exceptionally
wide field of view. For wide fields of view, jitter in the stars begins
to vary across the image, and an OTCCD with its single shift pattern for
all the pixels begins to lose its effectiveness. The solution for
Pan-STARRS, proposed by Tonry and developed in collaboration with
Lincoln Laboratory, was to make an array of 60 small, separate OTCCDs on
a single silicon chip. This architecture enabled independent shifts
optimized for tracking the varied image motion across a wide scene.

"Not only was Lincoln the only place where the OTCCD had been
demonstrated, but the added features that Pan-STARRS needed made the
design much more complicated," said Burke, who has been working on the
Pan-STARRS project. "It is fair to say that Lincoln was, and is,
uniquely equipped in chip design, wafer processing, packaging, and
testing to deliver such technology."

The primary mission of Pan-STARRS is to detect Earth-approaching
asteroids and comets that could be dangerous to the planet. When the
system becomes fully operational, the entire sky visible from Hawaii
(about three-quarters of the total sky) will be photographed at least
once a week, and all images will be entered into powerful computers at
the Maui High Performance Computer Center. Scientists at the center will
analyze the images for changes that could reveal a previously unknown
asteroid. They will also combine data from several images to calculate
the orbits of asteroids, looking for indications that an asteroid may be
on a collision course with Earth.

Pan-STARRS will also be used to catalog 99 percent of stars in the
northern hemisphere that have ever been observed by visible light,
including stars from nearby galaxies. In addition, the Pan-STARRS survey
of the whole sky will present astronomers with the opportunity to
discover, and monitor, planets around other stars, as well as rare
explosive objects in other galaxies.

Detailed information about the Pan-STARRS design and its science
applications can be found at http://pan-starrs.ifa.hawaii.edu/public/.
The project was funded by the U.S. Air Force Research Laboratory.


From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 17 17:48:13 2008
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:48:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] This day in meteorite history
Message-ID: <427201.3548.qm@web45613.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

This day in meteorite history...

[b]Chiang Khan meteorite fall[/b]
On November 17, 1981 after a bright fireball and detonations, 31 pieces were recovered from the town of Chiang Khan, on the Thailand-Laos border. The largest fragment weighed 51.3 g.
The meteorite was later classified as a H6 chondrite.

[b]Raco meteorite fall[/b]
On November 17, 1957 in the village of Raco, department of Tafi, Tucuman province, Argentina a single stone fell that had a weight of 5kg.
It was later classified as a H5 chondrite.

[b]Sayh al Uhaymir 120 find[/b]
On November 17, 2002 a stone of 75 g was found in the area of previous shergottite finds. This stone has a well-preserved black fusion crust. It is a grey-greenish stone with porphyritic texture; large olivine phenocrysts are embedded in a groundmass consisting of maskelynite and pigeonite. SaU 120 is paired with SaU 005/ 008/051/060/090/094.
It has been classified as a Martian shergottite.

[b]Acfer 360 find[/b]
On November 17, 2002 a 68 g stone was found in the Acfer region, Algerian Sahara. It has since been classified as a Ureilite.


      


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Mon Nov 17 19:54:30 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:54:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Rover Team Sets Low-Power Plan for NASA's
	Spirit
Message-ID: <200811180054.QAA28950@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/newsroom/pressreleases/20081114a.html

Mars Rover Team Sets Low-Power Plan for NASA's Spirit
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
November 14, 2008

After assessing data received from NASA's Mars Exploration Rover Spirit
on Thursday, mission controllers laid out plans for the rover to
conserve its modest energy during the next few weeks.

Spirit's solar panels produced 161 watt hours of energy on the Martian
day that ended Thursday, under a sky that had cleared appreciably from
four days earlier, when a dust storm slashed energy output to 89 watt
hours. However, the dust buildup on the panels themselves has worsened.
Only 30 percent of the light hitting them gets through the dust and is
usable by the photovoltaic cells, down from 33 percent before the storm.

"Spirit is not out of the woods yet," said John Callas of NASA's Jet
Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., project manager for Spirit and
its twin, Opportunity. "The storm and all its dust have not gone away
completely. And this is the time of the Martian year when storms like
this can occur. So the plan ahead is to stay cautious with the rover and
work on recharging the batteries while waiting out the rest of the
storm's activity."

A four-day plan being transmitted to Spirit today, Nov. 14, tells the
rover to keep some heaters turned off and conduct only limited
observations and communications. That plan will be followed by similar
low-power sequences for the rest of the month.

On Nov. 30, Spirit will begin a two-week period with no new commands
sent from Earth, while the sun is between Earth and Mars. Even before
the storm that is now subsiding, the rover team did not plan to drive
Spirit away from its location at the north end of a low platform called
"Home Plate" until after that period of suspended commanding.

###
Guy Webster 818-354-6278
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.

NEWS RELEASE: 2008-214


From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 18 10:01:16 2008
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:01:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Holocene start impacts
Message-ID: <929005.11270.qm@web36906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi all - 

Forwarded from the Cambridge Conference

13) YDB/CLOVIS COMET AT AGU

Dear Benny:

I am writing to share the news about the discovery of billions of diamonds per cm3 associated with the proposed Younger Dryas impact event, or "Clovis Comet," as it is sometimes called. Data on the discovery will be presented on December 15-16 at the American Geophysical Union's annual Fall Meeting in San Francisco. On December 16, there will be 4 talks (http://www.agu.org/cgi-bin/sessions5?meeting=fm08?=PP23D&maxhits=400), and the day before, on December 15, there will be 8 poster presentations (http://www.agu.org/cgi-bin/sessions5?meeting=fm08?=PP13C&maxhits=400  - Scroll down to PP13C-1469 through 1477). As you and your readers may remember, data on about a dozen other lines of impact evidence were presented to AGU at the Acapulco Joint Assembly in 2007. Since then, the hypothesis has created considerable controversy.

The lead presentation will reveal the discovery of all three diamond allotropes (cubic diamond, lonsdaleite, and n-diamond) in the YDB impact layer, dating to the Younger Dryas onset at 12.9 ka (as well as the new discovery of lonsdaleite and n-diamonds in the KT boundary). The YDB diamonds are distributed broadly across N America and NW Europe at 15 sites spanning 9,000 km or 23 percent of Earth's circumference. N-diamonds and lonsdaleite, or hexagonal diamond, do not co-occur with terrestrial diamonds, but are found in meteorites. Lonsdaleite is found on Earth only in association with known ET impacts, and thus, is a definitive impact indicator. No diamonds have ever been detected in sediments above or below the YD impact layer.

Some critics have suggested that all the inferred impact material is nothing more than typical meteoritic ablation products and that the indicators rained down from the heavens non-catastrophically over time. This hypothesis is refuted by the presence of millions of diamonds inside single carbon spherules that formed rapidly from charred tree sap. Our research, which has resulted in a patent application for a new process to create diamonds, indicates that they could have only formed during the extraordinarily high temperatures and pressures that existed during an impact. The "cosmic rain" was heavy and far from gentle.
 
I have also placed a PDF of them on my website here:  http://www.georgehoward.net/finalAGUabstracts.pdf

Kind regards.

George A. Howard |  Partner
Restoration Systems, LLC
1101 Haynes Street, Suite 211
Raleigh N.C. 27604
www.restorationsystems.com
www.georgehoward.net

I think that pretty well explains those mammoth bodies piled up along the river in Alaska that Hibben saw. And gives the reason for some of the peoples' "strange " tales.

Of course, you can read a few of the peoples accounts of this in my book, personally signed copies of which are available from me for $20 plus $5 priority mail shipping US, or plus $15 for shipping overseas.  The book is in English.

Now if there were only some larger carbonaceous chondrites to sell, or some nice shatter cones, or some impact glasses bigger than spherules.  

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas




      

From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 18 14:09:29 2008
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:09:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] NEW Space Rocks POD - Need Submissions!
In-Reply-To: <mailman.45.1227027635.80231.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <807625.36250.qm@web58406.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi Folks!

I know there are other people out there who are going through withdrawals since Michael Johnson's
Rocks from Space POD went on hiatus.  So, until Johnson's POD comes back online, I am going to
offer an interim solution for those of us who need our daily meteoritical eye candy.

First, I want to say that I am not trying to replace Rocks from Space POD.  Indeed, Michael has done
a superb job with it and it because he has done such a great job that I am addicted to it and now feel
compelled to offer a temporary replacement.

I have the space and bandwidth on my server to host a similar service, so I encourage my fellow list
members to send me their submissions for consideration.  Please send all image files to mike at galactic-stone.com

Guidelines :

1) Please send only images that you own or have permission from the owner to use.  I will be hosting
the images on Photobucket so I want to avoid any potential copyright issues. 

2) Please send images in any common format (JPG, GIF, BMP, PNG, etc) and try to keep the size of the
files down to 1MB or less.

Please note, I will be calling this daily service the "Space Rocks Picture of the Day".  Hopefully when
Michael Johnson's Rocks from Space POD comes back online, I will stop doing my version.  And I also
hope he is not offended by this imitation project on my part since my intent to is to pay homage to his
original service and give us meteorite freaks our daily eye candy fix.

I will post the final details to the list tonight or tomorrow - including the URL for the Space Rocks POD
and the first installment. :)

Suggestions and submissions are encouraged.

Regards and clear skies,

MikeG


.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
..........................................................



      

From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 18 14:41:18 2008
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:41:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Holocene start impacts
In-Reply-To: <446940.61237.qm@web53202.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <448060.20540.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Dirk - 

You can believe whatever you want to believe, But:

The Congress of the United States, that is to say
the Representatives and Senators, both Democrat and
Republican, issued very clear instructions to the
NASA Administrator to deal with the impact hazard.

The current Administrator chose to ignore their 
instructions, trying to pass the problem off to the 
NSF, among others. It is unlikely that the NSF will
reduce its funding for impact studies; in fact, it will
likely work with the USGS in promoting them.

NASA Administrator Griffin will be leaving in a few days, 
and those who advised him to ignore those instructions will
likely follow along shortly thereafter: I could express my 
guess as to who they were, but the NASA archives will be 
open to the next Administrator, so he or she will not have to 
guess. 

The geologists' data agrees with the archaeological data, 
and in fact forms a part of it, and both agree with 
the traditions, such as they are and as they were
preserved. I did as best I could to keep them, and 
pass them on.

There will be some more undeniable geological data 
coming along shortly as well, this concerning later 
impact mega-tsunamis that affected North America.

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas

--- On Tue, 11/18/08, drtanuki <drtanuki at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: drtanuki <drtanuki at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Holocene start impacts
> To: epgrondine at yahoo.com, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 9:27 AM
> Greetings-
>   It is amazing the the NSF is funding such bogus research
> as YDB.  Tree sap diamonds...that is about as good as
> tecate diamonds from mezcal Hecho en Mexico.  I think that
> the patentability will be called into question since
> the Mexican inventon group went public with their
> disclosure, thus the tree sap patent application will
> get zapped with Prior Art and Lack of Invention objections
> at the USPTO or at least they should IF the Examiner is
> doing his job.  YDB will soon be a dead topic with the
> upcoming Federal budget cuts.  Thank God.
>  
> Dirk Ross...Tokyo
>  
>   Ed time for a BBQ; pull out those mammoths again, ok?
> 
> --- On Wed, 11/19/08, E.P. Grondine
> <epgrondine at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> From: E.P. Grondine <epgrondine at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Holocene start impacts
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 12:01 AM
> 
> Hi all - 
> 
> Forwarded from the Cambridge Conference
> 
> 13) YDB/CLOVIS COMET AT AGU
> 
> Dear Benny:
> 
> I am writing to share the news about the discovery of
> billions of diamonds per
> cm3 associated with the proposed Younger Dryas impact
> event, or "Clovis
> Comet," as it is sometimes called. Data on the
> discovery will be presented
> on December 15-16 at the American Geophysical Union's
> annual Fall Meeting in
> San Francisco. On December 16, there will be 4 talks
> (http://www.agu.org/cgi-bin/sessions5?meeting=fm08?=PP23D&maxhits=400),
> and the day before, on December 15, there will be 8 poster
> presentations
> (http://www.agu.org/cgi-bin/sessions5?meeting=fm08?=PP13C&maxhits=400
>  -
> Scroll down to PP13C-1469 through 1477). As you and your
> readers may remember,
> data on about a dozen other lines of impact evidence were
> presented to AGU at
> the Acapulco Joint Assembly in 2007. Since then, the
> hypothesis has created
> considerable controversy.
> 
> The lead presentation will reveal the discovery of all
> three diamond allotropes
> (cubic diamond, lonsdaleite, and n-diamond) in the YDB
> impact layer, dating to
> the Younger Dryas onset at 12.9 ka (as well as the new
> discovery of lonsdaleite
> and n-diamonds in the KT boundary). The YDB diamonds are
> distributed broadly
> across N America and NW Europe at 15 sites spanning 9,000
> km or 23 percent of
> Earth's circumference. N-diamonds and lonsdaleite, or
> hexagonal diamond, do
> not co-occur with terrestrial diamonds, but are found in
> meteorites. Lonsdaleite
> is found on Earth only in association with known ET
> impacts, and thus, is a
> definitive impact indicator. No diamonds have ever been
> detected in sediments
> above or below the YD impact layer.
> 
> Some critics have suggested that all the inferred impact
> material is nothing
> more than typical meteoritic ablation products and that the
> indicators rained
> down from the heavens non-catastrophically over time. This
> hypothesis is refuted
> by the presence of millions of diamonds inside single
> carbon spherules that
> formed rapidly from charred tree sap. Our research, which
> has resulted in a
> patent application for a new process to create diamonds,
> indicates that they
> could have only formed during the extraordinarily high
> temperatures and
> pressures that existed during an impact. The "cosmic
> rain" was heavy
> and far from gentle.
>  
> I have also placed a PDF of them on my website here: 
> http://www.georgehoward.net/finalAGUabstracts.pdf
> 
> Kind regards.
> 
> George A. Howard |  Partner
> Restoration Systems, LLC
> 1101 Haynes Street, Suite 211
> Raleigh N.C. 27604
> www.restorationsystems.com
> www.georgehoward.net
> 
> I think that pretty well explains those mammoth bodies
> piled up along the river
> in Alaska that Hibben saw. And gives the reason for some of
> the peoples'
> "strange " tales.
> 
> Of course, you can read a few of the peoples accounts of
> this in my book,
> personally signed copies of which are available from me for
> $20 plus $5 priority
> mail shipping US, or plus $15 for shipping overseas.  The
> book is in English.
> 
> Now if there were only some larger carbonaceous chondrites
> to sell, or some
> nice shatter cones, or some impact glasses bigger than
> spherules.  
> 
> E.P. Grondine
> Man and Impact in the Americas
> 
> 
> 
> 
>       
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From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 18 15:04:14 2008
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:04:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space Rocks POD - November 18, 2008
In-Reply-To: <mailman.45.1227027635.80231.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <948564.68743.qm@web58406.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Installment #1 Nov, 18, 2008 -

http://spacerocks.cjb.net/



Comments and suggestions are welcome.

mike at galactic-stone.com

.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
..........................................................




      

From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Tue Nov 18 15:47:56 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:47:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA Invites Students to Name New Mars Rover (MSL)
Message-ID: <200811182047.MAA16488@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



Nov. 18, 2008

Dwayne Brown 
Headquarters, Washington 
202-358-1726 
dwayne.c.brown at nasa.gov 

Guy Webster 
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. 
818-354-6278 
guy.webster at jpl.nasa.gov 

RELEASE: 08-234

NASA INVITES STUDENTS TO NAME NEW MARS ROVER

WASHINGTON -- NASA is looking for the right stuff, or in this case, 
the right name for the next Mars rover. NASA, in cooperation with 
Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures' movie WALL-E from Pixar 
Animation Studios, will conduct a naming contest for its car-sized 
Mars Science Laboratory rover that is scheduled for launch in 2009. 

The contest begins Tuesday, Nov. 18, and is open to students 5 to 18 
years old who attend a U.S. school and are enrolled in the current 
academic year. To enter the contest, students will submit essays 
explaining why their suggested name for the rover should be chosen. 
Essays must be received by Jan. 25, 2009. In March 2009, the public 
will have an opportunity to rank nine finalist names via the Internet 
as additional input for judges to consider during the selection 
process. NASA will announce the winning rover name in April 2009. 

Disney will provide prizes to students submitting winning essays, 
including a trip to NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, 
Calif., where the rover is under construction. The grand prize winner 
will have an opportunity to place a signature on the spacecraft and 
take part in the history of space exploration. 

"Mars exploration has always captured the public imagination," said 
Mark Dahl, program executive for the Mars Science Laboratory at NASA 
Headquarters in Washington. "This contest will expand our ability to 
inspire students' interest in science and give the public a chance to 
participate in NASA's next expedition to Mars." 

Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures in Burbank, Calif., will make it 
possible for WALL-E, the name of its animated robotic hero and summer 
2008 movie, to appear in online content inviting students to 
participate in the naming contest. The online WALL-E content will 
provide young viewers with a current connection to the human-robotic 
partnership that is transforming discovery and exploration. The 
contest coincides with Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment's 
release of WALL-E on DVD and Blu-ray. The naming contest partnership 
is part of a Space Act Agreement between NASA and Disney designed to 
use the appeal of WALL-E in educational and public outreach efforts. 

"All of us at Disney are delighted to be working with NASA in its 
educational and public outreach efforts to teach schoolchildren about 
space exploration, robot technology and the universe in which they 
live," said Mark Zoradi, president of Walt Disney Studios Motion 
Pictures Group. "WALL-E is one of the most lovable and entertaining 
characters that Pixar has ever created, and he is the perfect 
spokes-robot for this program." 

The Mars Science Laboratory rover will be larger and more capable than 
any craft previously sent to land there. It will check whether the 
environment in a carefully selected landing region ever has been 
favorable for supporting microbial life. The rover will search for 
minerals that formed in the presence of water and look for several 
chemical building blocks of life. 

"We are now in a phase when we're building and testing the rover 
before its journey to Mars," said John Klein, deputy project manager 
for the Mars Science Laboratory at JPL. "As the rover comes together 
and begins to take shape, the whole team can't wait to call it by 
name." 

Additional assignments include imaging its surroundings in high 
definition, analyzing rocks with a high-powered laser beam, 
inspecting rocks and soil with a six-foot robotic arm, and cooking 
and sniffing rock powder delivered from a hammering drill to 
investigate what minerals are in Martian rocks. 

Information about the contest is available at: 

http://marsrovername.jpl.nasa.gov 

	
-end-


From bristolia at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 18 16:10:42 2008
From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:10:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Microtektites and Micrometeorites in Antarctica
Message-ID: <9305.64944.qm@web36201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Some new papers about microtektites and micrometeorites 
in Antarctica are:

Rochettea, P., L. Folcob, C. Suaveta, M. van Ginnekenb, 
J. Gattaccecaa, N. Perchiazzic, R. Brauchera, and R. P. 
Harveyd, 2008, Micrometeorites from the Transantarctic 
Mountains. Proceedings of the National Academy of
Sciences. Published online before print November 14, 
2008, doi: 10.1073/pnas.0806049105

http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2008/11/14/0806049105.abstract
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2008/11/14/0806049105.full.pdf+html

+++++

Folco, L., P. Rochette, N. Perchiazzi, M. D'Orazio, M.A. 
Laurenzi, and M. Tiepolo, 2008a, Microtektites from 
Victoria Land Transantarctic Mountains. Geology. vol. 36,
no. 4, pp. 291-294, DOI: 10.1130/G24528A.1

http://geology.geoscienceworld.org/cgi/content/abstract/36/4/291

+++++

Folco, L., P. Rochette, N. Perchiazzi, M. D'Orazio, M.A. 
Laurenzi, and M. Tiepolo, 2008, Microtektites from the 
Northern Victoria Land Transantarctic Mountains: An 
Update. 39th Lunar and Planetary Science Conference, 
(Lunar and Planetary Science XXXIX), held March 
10-14, 2008 in League City, Texas. LPI Contribution 
No. 1391., p.1180

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2008LPI....39.1180F
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2008/pdf/1180.pdf

Yours,

Paul H.



      

From rsvp321 at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 18 17:29:55 2008
From: rsvp321 at hotmail.com (Pete Pete)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:29:55 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Scam, or what?
Message-ID: <BAY141-W21FBF53EA25EC517BF0E63F8120@phx.gbl>


 
 
Greetings, List,
 
Does anyone else smell a rat?
 
http://watches.infoniac.com/wear-moon-wrist-louis-moinet-magistralis.html#viewcomments
http://watches.infoniac.com/wear-moon-wrist-louis-moinet-magistralis.html#viewcomments
 
 
Cheers,
Pete
 
 
 
 
_________________________________________________________________


From mark at meteorites.cc  Tue Nov 18 17:33:37 2008
From: mark at meteorites.cc (Mark Crawford)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:33:37 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space Rocks POD - November 18, 2008
In-Reply-To: <948564.68743.qm@web58406.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <948564.68743.qm@web58406.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <492342C1.7000807@meteorites.cc>

I click on the link, I get a brief image of Gujba, and then (without 
clicking anything) I get a full page of advertisments.

Comment: Not for me.

Michael Gilmer wrote:
> Installment #1 Nov, 18, 2008 -
>
>
> Comments and suggestions are welcome.
>   
>


-- 
Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc


From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 18 17:51:18 2008
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:51:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] (AD) meteorites forsale
Message-ID: <69419.62790.qm@web57802.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Good evening list.I have a few meteorites forsale if interested.I have a 1.1 gram individual of nuevo mercurio from bob cucchiara meteorites $10,I have an 11 gram endcut of NWA 3118 which comes from the mike cottingham collection $50,and 4 small sikote-alins ,all with holes in them.9,8,5.2 and 2 grams.$200.All these little guys come from the jim strope collection.
I will pay shipping on all.Offlist please.I also have the 3 dollar gold piece trade for meteorites still.Please offlist.
Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/


      

From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Tue Nov 18 18:01:53 2008
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:01:53 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Scam, or what?
In-Reply-To: <BAY141-W21FBF53EA25EC517BF0E63F8120@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY141-W21FBF53EA25EC517BF0E63F8120@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <013201c949d1$a73daf80$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>

No, why?

It's well possible.
http://www.louismoinet.com/press/presskit.htm

Just write them and ask, which lunaite they used.


Martin

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Pete
Pete
Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. November 2008 23:30
An: meteoritelist meteoritelist
Betreff: [meteorite-list] Scam, or what?


 
 
Greetings, List,
 
Does anyone else smell a rat?
 
http://watches.infoniac.com/wear-moon-wrist-louis-moinet-magistralis.html#vi
ewcomments
http://watches.infoniac.com/wear-moon-wrist-louis-moinet-magistralis.html#vi
ewcomments
 
 
Cheers,
Pete
 
 
 
 
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From rsvp321 at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 18 18:07:39 2008
From: rsvp321 at hotmail.com (Pete Pete)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:07:39 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Scam, or what?
In-Reply-To: <013201c949d1$a73daf80$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>
References: <BAY141-W21FBF53EA25EC517BF0E63F8120@phx.gbl>
	<013201c949d1$a73daf80$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>
Message-ID: <BAY141-W37090AA2C4C241DB91127F8120@phx.gbl>



Hi, Martin,
 
If you read the correspondence on the bottom, they sound very evasive to simple questions, "secrets", and all...
 
 
Cheers,
Pete
 
 
 

> From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:01:53 +0100
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam, or what?
> 
> No, why?
> 
> It's well possible.
> http://www.louismoinet.com/press/presskit.htm
> 
> Just write them and ask, which lunaite they used.
> 
> 
> Martin
> 
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Pete
> Pete
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. November 2008 23:30
> An: meteoritelist meteoritelist
> Betreff: [meteorite-list] Scam, or what?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Greetings, List,
> 
> Does anyone else smell a rat?
> 
> http://watches.infoniac.com/wear-moon-wrist-louis-moinet-magistralis.html#vi
> ewcomments
> http://watches.infoniac.com/wear-moon-wrist-louis-moinet-magistralis.html#vi
> ewcomments
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Pete
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 18 18:19:01 2008
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:19:01 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Scam, or what?
References: <BAY141-W21FBF53EA25EC517BF0E63F8120@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002e01c949d4$0b309f00$274ae146@ATARIENGINE>

Hi, Pete, List,

    The original J. P. Morgan is reputed to have
said, "If you have to ask how much a yacht costs,
then you can't afford a yacht."

    If you have to ask if the meteorite is real, then
you can't afford to buy an $862,000 wrist watch!

    All I know is that I can't...

    In response to Martin's suggestion that you ask,
please note the comments at the bottom of the page.
They have been asked, and they ain't talkin'! My
guess is that they mixed cutting dust into the paint
used on the moon-phase dials.

    The same seller has a $60,000 meteorite watch
with a speck of meteorite displayed, the name of
which he does not disclose. In both cases, their
cost for the meteoritic material is likely 0.01%  to
0.001%  of the cost of the watch.


Sterling K. Webb
----------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pete Pete" <rsvp321 at hotmail.com>
To: "meteoritelist meteoritelist" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 4:29 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Scam, or what?





Greetings, List,

Does anyone else smell a rat?

http://watches.infoniac.com/wear-moon-wrist-louis-moinet-magistralis.html#viewcomments
http://watches.infoniac.com/wear-moon-wrist-louis-moinet-magistralis.html#viewcomments


Cheers,
Pete




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From STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com  Tue Nov 18 18:36:48 2008
From: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com (STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:36:48 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] What a watch!!!
Message-ID: <c81.3ed2c728.3654ab90@aol.com>

Hey list members.  Let's all get together  and each buy one.  That way we 
might get a volume  discount!

Tom

In a message dated 11/18/2008 4:19:30 P.M. Mountain  Standard Time, 
sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net writes:
Hi, Pete,  List,

The original J. P. Morgan is reputed to  have
said, "If you have to ask how much a yacht costs,
then you can't  afford a yacht."

If you have to ask if the meteorite  is real, then
you can't afford to buy an $862,000 wrist  watch!

All I know is that I  can't...

In response to Martin's suggestion that you  ask,
please note the comments at the bottom of the page.
They have been  asked, and they ain't talkin'! My
guess is that they mixed cutting dust into  the paint
used on the moon-phase dials.

The same  seller has a $60,000 meteorite watch
with a speck of meteorite displayed, the  name of
which he does not disclose. In both cases, their
cost for the  meteoritic material is likely 0.01%  to
0.001%  of the cost of the  watch.


Sterling K.  Webb
----------------------------------------------------------------
-----  Original Message ----- 
From: "Pete Pete" <rsvp321 at hotmail.com>
To:  "meteoritelist meteoritelist"  <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008  4:29 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Scam, or  what?





Greetings, List,

Does anyone else smell a  rat?

http://watches.infoniac.com/wear-moon-wrist-louis-moinet-magistralis.html#view
comments
http://watches.infoniac.com/wear-moon-wrist-louis-moinet-magistralis.html#view
comments


Cheers,
Pete




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From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Tue Nov 18 18:52:36 2008
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:52:36 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] What a watch!!!
In-Reply-To: <c81.3ed2c728.3654ab90@aol.com>
References: <c81.3ed2c728.3654ab90@aol.com>
Message-ID: <014a01c949d8$bc30d410$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>

So if they don't disclose, which meteorite they used,
Hardly someone will buy.
Not such an ingenious marketing, hehe.



-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von
STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. November 2008 00:37
An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] What a watch!!!

Hey list members.  Let's all get together  and each buy one.  That way we 
might get a volume  discount!

Tom

In a message dated 11/18/2008 4:19:30 P.M. Mountain  Standard Time, 
sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net writes:
Hi, Pete,  List,

The original J. P. Morgan is reputed to  have
said, "If you have to ask how much a yacht costs,
then you can't  afford a yacht."

If you have to ask if the meteorite  is real, then
you can't afford to buy an $862,000 wrist  watch!

All I know is that I  can't...

In response to Martin's suggestion that you  ask,
please note the comments at the bottom of the page.
They have been  asked, and they ain't talkin'! My
guess is that they mixed cutting dust into  the paint
used on the moon-phase dials.

The same  seller has a $60,000 meteorite watch
with a speck of meteorite displayed, the  name of
which he does not disclose. In both cases, their
cost for the  meteoritic material is likely 0.01%  to
0.001%  of the cost of the  watch.


Sterling K.  Webb
----------------------------------------------------------------
-----  Original Message ----- 
From: "Pete Pete" <rsvp321 at hotmail.com>
To:  "meteoritelist meteoritelist"  <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008  4:29 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Scam, or  what?





Greetings, List,

Does anyone else smell a  rat?

http://watches.infoniac.com/wear-moon-wrist-louis-moinet-magistralis.html#vi
ew
comments
http://watches.infoniac.com/wear-moon-wrist-louis-moinet-magistralis.html#vi
ew
comments


Cheers,
Pete




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From meteoritefinder at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 19:03:03 2008
From: meteoritefinder at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:03:03 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Canyon Diablo 12.5 pound piece and more! /ad/ plus
	one with a hole on E bay /sale/
Message-ID: <468bf6050811181603h3a596d77v6145e5da140a3a93@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all I have a really nice 12.5 pound sculpted iron on my web site
and a couple really nice new pieces you can check them out here, all
the new pieces are Canyon Diablo and have been cleaned.
http://www.meteoritefinder.com/whats-new-sale.htm


I also have a really cool one with a hole on E bay right now you can
see it here  http://www.meteoritefinder.com/meteorite-auctions.htm

Let me know if you have any questions or if you are interested in a
larger wholesale purchase on some nice CD material.

-- 
Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401
www.meteoritefinder.com
     928-753-6825

From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Tue Nov 18 19:30:55 2008
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda at ntlworld.com)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 0:30:55 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Scam, or what?
Message-ID: <20081119003055.TTFV22934.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@smtp.ntlworld.com>

If you go to this press page and look down a few lines you will find a picture of the so called meteorite and a slice with circles cut out and inserted in the workings of the watch!!! So not just specs...but hidden inside...unless they show through as the moon phases on the front dial?...At least thats what it appears to be?

http://www.louismoinet.com/press/presskit.htm

Graham Ensor UK


> 
> From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
> Date: 2008/11/18 Tue PM 11:01:53 GMT
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam, or what?
> 
> No, why?
> 
> It's well possible.
> http://www.louismoinet.com/press/presskit.htm
> 
> Just write them and ask, which lunaite they used.
> 
> 
> Martin
> 
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Pete
> Pete
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. November 2008 23:30
> An: meteoritelist meteoritelist
> Betreff: [meteorite-list] Scam, or what?
> 
> 
>  
>  
> Greetings, List,
>  
> Does anyone else smell a rat?
>  
> http://watches.infoniac.com/wear-moon-wrist-louis-moinet-magistralis.html#vi
> ewcomments
> http://watches.infoniac.com/wear-moon-wrist-louis-moinet-magistralis.html#vi
> ewcomments
>  
>  
> Cheers,
> Pete
>  
>  
>  
>  
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From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 18 19:35:15 2008
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:35:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space Rocks POD - Advertisements Issue Fixed
In-Reply-To: <mailman.138.1227052988.1545.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <652961.20472.qm@web58403.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi Folks!

It has been brought to my attention that the URL redirect service I am using for the Space Rocks POD has advertisements embedded in it.  I did 
not know this since I could not see them on my end.  I will NOT be using
this service with ads.

Here is the new (and ad-free) URL :

http://www.glassthrower.com/pod.html

Bookmark it.  It has NO ads, I promise.

The page will change every day, but the previous images will be stored in
the photobucket account for future reference. :)

I apologize for the ad-ridden CJB.net service - the last time I used it
a long time ago, they didn't stick ads on their redirect pages.

I have already received some great submissions for this project, so
keep an eye out for daily updates.

http://www.glassthrower.com/pod.html

Regards,

MikeG

.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
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From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Tue Nov 18 21:19:43 2008
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 03:19:43 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Special - a fine W1-fresh L3: NWA 5477 with
	BIG chondrules
Message-ID: <001d01c949ed$49737530$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>

Dear Collectors,

this year we spoiled us and you with bringing out a lot of new type-3
chondrites, and in the advertisements we explained and lighted the
especialness, the origins and the meaning of the unequilibrated ordinary
chondrites.

Therefore maybe we should do without lengthy lines this time (do we hear a
"finally!"?) and should simply let speak the material for itself?

3ers never get boring, they all are different.
Look at that one, how huge some of its chondrules are!

Slices of L3s and H3s - for us it's like ambling through a picture-gallery,
where with the tableaux old epochs suddenly get alive again.

And in such a slice, in the tessellation of chondrules of the 3ers, a
chondrule-lover can totally sink in.

http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/special-nwa5477.html


This "Special" isn't such a complete price-destroyer like last week's
brachinite*, but NWA 5477 has a well-preserved blackish fusion crust
and with its fresh weathering degree of W1, its sitting in the first rows
with his class mates,
therefore are the 9$ a gram a very attractive offer.

NWA 5477 is moderately shocked, S4, tkw is 2kgs.
All slices are on one side grinded, one side polished.
Type-3-lovers know why.

Enjoy!

Stefan Ralew & Martin Altmann
Chladni's Heirs
Munich - Berlin
Fine Meteorites for Science & Collectors 
http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/




PS: * we cut and prepared some more small specimens of the brachiite, 1 to
3grams for the low-budget-collectors. We hade the impression, that some were
hesitating, cause the price seemed for them not plausible else, than it must
be inferior material.
It isn't. It is a classic brachinite through and through, not better and not
worse than the other few representatives of that class.




From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 19 10:31:54 2008
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:31:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space Rocks POD - November 19, 2008
In-Reply-To: <mailman.138.1227052988.1545.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <215820.30445.qm@web58402.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Space Rocks POD for November 19, 2008 - http://www.glassthrower.com/pod.html

.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
..........................................................


      

From cynapse at charter.net  Wed Nov 19 11:50:52 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:50:52 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] A future meteor
In-Reply-To: <200811180054.QAA28950@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
References: <200811180054.QAA28950@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <blg8i4pqq35oci54m9ndnpp7g3ogep2teo@4ax.com>


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454644,00.html

Lost Bag Forces Change of Plans for Spacewalks

Wednesday, November 19, 2008

HOUSTON ?  Flight controllers were revamping plans Wednesday for the remaining
spacewalks planned during space shuttle Endeavour's visit to the international
space station, after a crucial tool bag floated out to space during a repair
trip.

The briefcase-sized tool bag drifted away from astronaut Heidemarie
Stefanyshyn-Piper on Tuesday as she cleaned and lubed a gummed-up joint on a
wing of solar panels on the space station.

She and fellow astronaut Stephen Bowen were midway through the first of four
spacewalks planned for the mission. The tool bag was one of the largest items
ever lost by a spacewalker.

As Stefanyshyn-Piper cleaned up a large gob of grease that seeped from a gun
used to lubricate the joint, the tool case somehow became untethered from a
larger bag and floated away along with a pair of grease guns, wipes and a putty
knife attached to it.

"What it boils down to is all it takes is one small mistake for a tether not to
be hooked up quite correctly or to slip off, and that's what happened here,"
said lead spacewalk officer John Ray.

Stefanyshyn-Piper and Bowen finished the spacewalk in almost seven hours by
sharing tools from Bowen's bag. Ray noted that Stefanyshyn-Piper showed "real
character and great discipline" by continuing on.

She was the first woman to be assigned as lead spacewalker for a shuttle flight.

"Despite my little hiccup, or major hiccup, I think we did a good job out
there," Stefanyshyn-Piper said after returning to the space station.

Flight controllers are considering having the two spacewalkers share Bowen's
pair of grease guns for the three remaining spacewalks on Thursday, Saturday and
Monday. They could also use caulking guns meant for repairing the space shuttle.

Another option is to have one spacewalker clean the joint while the other uses
the grease gun to lubricate it.

For more than a year, the joint has been unable to automatically point the
right-side solar wings toward the sun for maximum energy production.

Officials weren't worried the bag would hit the space station or the docked
space shuttle because by late Tuesday it already was 2? miles in front of the
orbiting complex, said flight director Ginger Kerrick.

"It is definitely moving away with every orbit," Kerrick said.

Inside the space station, crew members were so ahead of schedule in moving
equipment delivered by Endeavour that shuttle flight planners were contemplating
skipping an extra day at the outpost orbiting 220 miles above Earth.

The equipment includes a recycling system that converts urine into water, an
extra bathroom, kitchenette, two bedrooms, an exercise machine and refrigerator
that will allow space station residents to enjoy cold drinks for the first time.
And the extra gear will allow the space station's crew to double to six next
year.

The water recycling system was to be hooked up late Wednesday, and the first
batch of urine would run through the system later in the week. Samples will be
flown back to Earth for safety tests before astronauts can use it.

A spacewalking astronaut accidentally let go of her tool bag Tuesday after a
grease gun inside it exploded, and helplessly watched as the tote and everything
inside floated away.

It was one of the largest items ever to be lost by a spacewalker, and occurred
during an unprecedented attempt to clean and lube a gummed-up joint on a solar
panel.

Heidemarie Stefanyshyn-Piper was just starting to work on the joint when the
mishap occurred.

She said her grease gun exploded, getting the dark gray stuff all over a camera
and her gloves. While wiping off herself, the white, backpack-size bag slipped
out of her grip, and she lost all her other tools.

"Oh, great," she mumbled.

Stefanyshyn-Piper was carrying out the spacewalk with Stephen Bowen. He had his
own tool bag with another grease gun, putty knife and oven-like terry cloth
mitts to wipe away metal grit from a clogged joint at the space station.

Mission Control agreed the spacewalk would continue as planned, and that the two
astronauts would share tools. Flight controllers were assessing the impact the
lost bag would have on the next three planned spacewalks.

Earlier, the spacewalkers spotted a screw floating by, but were too far away to
catch it. "I have no idea where it came from," Stefanyshyn-Piper told Mission
Control.

Mission Control said the screw was not considered a serious hazard, but did not
immediately elaborate on the missing tool bag. Flight controllers were tracking
its location in orbit.

The lost bag marred what had been a near-flawless mission by Endeavour and its
seven-member crew.

Putting her disappointment aside, Stefanyshyn-Piper ? the first woman to be
assigned as lead spacewalker for a shuttle flight ? carried out her work on the
joint with Bowen.

For more than a year, the jammed joint has been unable to automatically point
the right-side solar wings toward the sun for maximum energy production. The
repair work ? expected from the outset to be greasy and hand-intensive ? is
supposed to take up much of all four spacewalks.

The joint is located near the extreme reaches of the 220-mile-high outpost. The
spacewalkers had 85-foot safety tethers to keep them connected to the mother
ship at all times.

NASA suspects a lack of lubrication caused the massive joint to break down;
grinding parts left metal shavings everywhere and prompted flight controllers to
use the joint sparingly. Besides scraping and wiping away the grit and applying
grease, the spacewalkers will replace the bearings.

As a precaution, extra grease will be applied on a later spacewalk to the joint
on the opposite side of the space station that has allowed those solar wings to
produce ample electricity.

As the action unfolded outside, the astronauts inside the shuttle-station
complex started unloading the gear inside a huge trunk that was brought up by
Endeavour.

The big-ticket item ? and one of the first things to be hooked up ? is a
recycling system that will convert astronauts' urine and sweat into drinking
water. It is essential if NASA is to double the size of the space station crew
to six next June.

Endeavour also delivered an extra bathroom, kitchenette, two bedrooms, an
exercise machine and refrigerator that will allow space station residents to
enjoy cold drinks for the first time.

The additions ? coming exactly 10 years after the first space station piece was
launched ? will transform the place into a two-bath, two-kitchen, five-bedroom
home.

Endeavour arrived at the space station Sunday. The shuttle will remain docked
through until at least Thanksgiving. The next spacewalk is set for Thursday.

From cynapse at charter.net  Wed Nov 19 12:51:13 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:51:13 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Bad day on the moon
In-Reply-To: <blg8i4pqq35oci54m9ndnpp7g3ogep2teo@4ax.com>
References: <200811180054.QAA28950@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
	<blg8i4pqq35oci54m9ndnpp7g3ogep2teo@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <tfk8i4hhtm8h20ces714v240n4o33ell6d@4ax.com>

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s272/abelkems/bad-day-on-the-moon.jpg

From meteoriteshow at free.fr  Wed Nov 19 14:43:57 2008
From: meteoriteshow at free.fr (meteoriteshow at free.fr)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:43:57 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - ebay Auctions ending on Saturday
Message-ID: <1227123837.49246c7d25e27@imp.free.fr>


Dear All,

Our auctions will sart ending on Saturday, most of them still at the starting
price of $1.00 US at the time i start writing this email and as usual they can
be seen at: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmeteoriteshow.

They include:

1/ CHERGACH H5 -28.3g oriented- WITNESSED FALL!
2/ EL AROUSS L-IMB (unclas.) - 28.0g endcut
3/ HaH254 L5-6 - 22.7g full slice
4/ NWA XXX - 6.9g Partslice - HOWARDITE
5/ ORIENTED NWA OC - FUSION CRUST - 29.2g indiv
6/ OUED EL HADJAR - 3.0g frag - WITNESSED FALL!
7/ SAH 03502 LL3 - 177.3g partslice

Thanks again and kind regards!

Frederic Beroud
www.meteoriteshow.com
IMCA #2491

From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Wed Nov 19 19:32:51 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:32:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Site List Narrows For NASA's Next Mars Landing
	(MSL)
Message-ID: <200811200032.QAA19715@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2008-219  

Site List Narrows For NASA's Next Mars Landing
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
November 19, 2008

PASADENA, Calif. -- Four intriguing places on Mars have risen to the
final round as NASA selects a landing site for its next Mars mission,
the Mars Science Laboratory.

The agency had a wider range of possible landing sites to choose from
than for any previous mission, thanks to the Mars Science Laboratory's
advanced technologies, and the highly capable orbiters helping this
mission identify scientifically compelling places to explore.

Mars Science Laboratory project leaders at NASA's Jet Propulsion
Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., chose the four this month, after seeking
input from international Mars experts and from engineers working on the
landing system and rover capabilities.

The sites, alphabetically, are: Eberswalde, where an ancient river
deposited a delta in a possible lake; Gale, with a mountain of stacked
layers including clays and sulfates; Holden, a crater containing
alluvial fans, flood deposits, possible lake beds and clay-rich
deposits; and Mawrth, which shows exposed layers containing at least two
types of clay.

"All four of these sites would be great places to use our roving
laboratory to study the processes and history of early Martian
environments and whether any of these environments were capable of
supporting microbial life and its preservation as biosignatures," said
John Grotzinger of the California Institute of Technology, Pasadena. He
is the project scientist for the Mars Science Laboratory.

The mission's capabilities for landing more precisely than ever before
and for generating electricity without reliance on sunshine have made
landing sites eligible that would not have been acceptable for past Mars
missions. During the past two years, multiple observations of dozens of
candidate sites by NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter have augmented
data from earlier orbiters for evaluating sites' scientific attractions
and engineering risks.

JPL is assembling and testing the Mars Science Laboratory spacecraft for
launch in fall 2009. Paring the landing-site list to four finalists
allows the team to focus further on evaluating the sites and planning
the navigation. The mission plan calls for the rover to spend a full
Mars year (23 months) examining the environment with a diverse payload
of tools.

After evaluating additional Mars orbiter observations of the four sites,
NASA will hold a fourth science workshop about the candidates in the
spring and plans to choose a final site next summer. Three previous
landing-site science workshops for Mars Science Laboratory, in 2006,
2007 and two months ago, drew participation of more than 100 Mars
scientists and presentations about more than 30 sites. The four sites
rated highest by participants in the latest workshop were the same ones
chosen by mission leaders after a subsequent round of safety evaluations
and analysis of terrain for rover driving. One site, Gale, had been a
favorite of scientists considering 2004 landing sites for NASA's Spirit
and Opportunity rovers, but was ruled out as too hazardous for the
capabilities of those spacecraft.

"Landing on Mars always is a risky balance between science and
engineering. The safest sites are flat, but the spectacular geology is
generally where there are ups and downs, such as hills and canyons.
That's why we have engineered this spacecraft to make more sites qualify
as safe," said JPL's Michael Watkins, mission manager for the Mars
Science Laboratory. "This will be the first spacecraft that can adjust
its course as it descends through the Martian atmosphere, responding to
variability in the atmosphere. This ability to land in much smaller
areas than previous missions, plus capabilities to land at higher
elevations and drive farther, allows us consider more places the
scientists want to explore."

For their Mars landings in 2004, Spirit and Opportunity needed safe
target areas about 70 kilometers (about 40 miles) long. Mars Science
Laboratory is designed to hit a target area roughly 20 kilometers (12
miles) in diameter. Also, a new "skycrane" technology to lower the rover
on a tether for the final touchdown can accommodate more slope than the
airbag method used for Spirit and Opportunity. In addition, a
radioisotope power supply, like that used by Mars Viking landers in the
1970s, will enable year-round operation farther from the equator than
the solar power systems of more recent missions.

Gale is near the equator, Eberswalde and Holden are farther south, and
Mawrth is in the north.

As a clay-bearing site where a river once flowed into a lake, Eberswalde
Crater offers a chance to use knowledge that oil industry geologists
have accumulated about locations of the most promising parts of a delta
to look for any concentrations of carbon chemistry that is crucial to life.

The mountain inside Gale Crater could provide a route for the rover to
drive up a 5-kilometer (3-mile) sequence of layers, studying a
transition from environments that produced clay deposits near the bottom
to later environments that produced sulfate deposits partway up.

Running water once carved gullies and deposited sediments as alluvial
fans and catastrophic flood deposits in Holden Crater, a site that may
also present the chance to evaluate layers deposited in a lake. 
Exploration of key features within this target area would require drives
to the edge of a broad valley, and then down into the valley.

Mawrth Valley is an apparent flood channel near the edge of vast Martian
highlands. It holds different types of clays in clearly layered context,
offering an opportunity for studying the changes in wet conditions that
produced or altered the clays.  The clay signatures are stronger than at
the other sites, and this is the only one of the four for which the
science target is within the landing area, not nearby.

JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology, Pasadena,
manages the Mars Science Laboratory for the NASA Science Mission
Directorate, Washington. For additional information about the mission,
see http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl.

Media contact: Guy Webster 818-354-6278
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
guy.webster at jpl.nasa.gov

2008-219

From meteoritefinder at gmail.com  Thu Nov 20 11:09:38 2008
From: meteoritefinder at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:09:38 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] How do you say dronino?
Message-ID: <468bf6050811200809i958b0f7q17b2aebf8c6875f9@mail.gmail.com>

Can someone help with the pronunciation of this word? Dronino

-- 
Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401
www.meteoritefinder.com
     928-753-6825

From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Thu Nov 20 11:17:36 2008
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:17:36 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] How do you say dronino?
In-Reply-To: <468bf6050811200809i958b0f7q17b2aebf8c6875f9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <468bf6050811200809i958b0f7q17b2aebf8c6875f9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c94b2b$808b4ea0$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>

"@#!GRMBLGnggnn%&$ !!!!"

..when you're opening the box after some weeks not caring for the piece.


-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Mike
Miller
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. November 2008 17:10
An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: [meteorite-list] How do you say dronino?

Can someone help with the pronunciation of this word? Dronino

-- 
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www.meteoritefinder.com
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From cynapse at charter.net  Thu Nov 20 11:20:37 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:20:37 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] How do you say dronino?
In-Reply-To: <001e01c94b2b$808b4ea0$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>
References: <468bf6050811200809i958b0f7q17b2aebf8c6875f9@mail.gmail.com>
	<001e01c94b2b$808b4ea0$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>
Message-ID: <qh3bi4tucmmgfr2ccd88khl52cl1lokjf5@4ax.com>

On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:17:36 +0100, you wrote:

>"@#!GRMBLGnggnn%&$ !!!!"
>
>..when you're opening the box after some weeks not caring for the piece.

To be fair, EVERYTHING in German sounds like that.

From gsac at gmx.net  Thu Nov 20 11:33:44 2008
From: gsac at gmx.net (Alexander Seidel)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:33:44 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] How do you say dronino?
In-Reply-To: <001e01c94b2b$808b4ea0$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>
References: <468bf6050811200809i958b0f7q17b2aebf8c6875f9@mail.gmail.com>
	<001e01c94b2b$808b4ea0$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>
Message-ID: <20081120163344.53490@gmx.net>

....meaning something like "rustbucket!".... 

Alex
Berlin/Germany




-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:17:36 +0100
> Von: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] How do you say dronino?

> "@#!GRMBLGnggnn%&$ !!!!"
> 
> ..when you're opening the box after some weeks not caring for the piece.
> 
> 
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Mike
> Miller
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. November 2008 17:10
> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Betreff: [meteorite-list] How do you say dronino?
> 
> Can someone help with the pronunciation of this word? Dronino
> 
> -- 
> Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401
> www.meteoritefinder.com
>      928-753-6825
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From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Thu Nov 20 12:26:48 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 20 Nov 2008 17:26:48 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Re-2:  How do you say dronino?
Message-ID: <DIIE.00000067000035AC@paulinet.de>

Martin wrote: "@#!GRMBLGnggnn%&$ !!!!"

Darren opined: "To be fair, EVERYTHING in German sounds like that."

Very off-topic but once again timefor THAT - Please enjoy :-)

The Awful German Language

A person who has not studied German can form no idea of what a perplexing language it is.
Every time I think I have got one of these four confusing 'cases' where I am master of it, a seemingly insignificant preposition intrudes itself into my sentence clothed with an awful and unsuspected power, and crumbles the ground from under me.  For instance, my book inquires after a certain bird (it is always inquiring after things which are of no sort of consequence to anybody): "Where is the bird?" Now the answer to this question - according to the book - is that the bird is waiting in the blacksmith shop on account of the rain. Of course no bird would do that, but then you must stick to the book. Very well, I begin to cipher out the German for that answer. I begin at the wrong end, necessarily, for that is the German idea. I say to myself, "Regen (rain) is masculine - or maybe it is feminine - or possibly neuter - it is too much trouble to look, now. Therefore, it is either der (the) Regen, or die (the) Regen, or das (the) Regen, according to which gender it may tur
n out to be when I look. In the interest of science, I will cipher it out on the hypothesis that it is masculine. Very well - then the rain is der Regen, if it is simply in the quiescent state of being mentioned, without enlargement or discussion - Nomina-tive case; but if this rain is lying around, in a kind of a general way on the ground, it is then definitely located, it is doing something - that is, resting (which is one of the German grammar's ideas of doing something), and this throws the rain into the Dative case, and makes it dem Regen. However, this rain is not resting, but is doing something actively - it is falling - to interfere with the bird, likely - and this indicates movement -which has the effect of sliding it into the Accusative case and changing dem Regen into den Regen." Having completed the grammatical horoscope of this matter, I answer up confidently and state in German that the bird is staying in the blacksmith shop 'wegen (on account of) den Regen
' Then the teacher lets me softly down with the remark that whenever the word 'wegen' drops into a sentence, it always throws that subject into the Genitive case, regardless of consequences - and that therefore this bird stayed in the blacksmith shop "wegen des Regens."
Every noun has a gender, and there is no sense or system in the distribution; so the gender of each must be learned separately and by heart. There is no other way. To do this one has to have a memory like a memorandum book. In German a young lady has no sex, while a turnip has. Think what reverence that shows for the turnip, and what disrespect for the girl. See how it looks in print. I translate this from a conversation in one of the best of the German Sunday-school books:

Gretchen:	"Wilhelm, where is the turnip?"
Wilhelm:	"She has gone to the kitchen."
Gretchen:	"Where is the beautiful English maiden?"
Wilhelm:	"It has gone to the opera."

The Germans have a kind of parenthesis, which they make by splitting a verb in two and putting half of it at the beginning of an exciting chapter and the other hauat the end of it. Can any one conceive of anything more confusing than that?  These things are called 'separable verbs'. The German grammar is blistered all over with separable verbs; and the wider the two portions of one of them are spread apart, the better the author of the crime is pleased with his performance. A favourite one is reiste ab, which means departed. Here is an example which I culled from a novel and reduced to English.
"The trunks being now ready, he de- after kissing his mother and sisters, and once more pressing to his bosom his adored Gretchen, who, dressed in simple white muslin with a single tuberose in the ample folds of her rich brown hair, had tottered feebly down the stairs, still pale from the terror and excitement of the past evening, but longing to lay her poor aching head yet once again upon the breast of him whom she loved more dearly than life itself, parted."
Some German words are so long that they have a perspective. Observe these examples:

Generalstaatsverordnetenversammlungen
Alterthumswissenschaften
Kinderbewahrungsanstalten
Unabhaengigkeitserklaerungen
Wiederherstellungsbestrebungen
Waffenstillstandsunterhandlungen

These things are not words, they are alphabetical processions. And they are not rare; one can open a German newspaper any time and see them marching majestically across the page - and if he has any imagination he can see the banners and hear the music, too. They impart a martial thrill to the meekest subject. I take a great interest in these curiosities. Whenever I come across a good one, I stuff it and put it in my museum. In this way I have made quite a valuable collection. When I get duplicates, I exchange with other collectors, and thus increase the variety of my stock.

(From A Tramp Abroad, by Mark Twain, 1879)


To: cynapse at charter.net
    altmann at meteorite-martin.de
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From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 20 13:11:24 2008
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:11:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space Rocks POD - November 20, 2008
In-Reply-To: <mailman.45.1227200444.98425.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <757971.18057.qm@web58402.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Space Rocks Picture of the Day for 11-20-2008 :

http://www.glassthrower.com/pod.html

Enjoy!


.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
..........................................................




      

From pshugar at clearwire.net  Thu Nov 20 13:47:44 2008
From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:47:44 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Re-2:  How do you say dronino?
References: <DIIE.00000067000035AC@paulinet.de>
Message-ID: <C9D7E97D87EE4CAFB403804A6F49F4F9@laptop>

OT, but gut  for medicine.
They say that laughter is the best medicine and since I'm getting
over a cold I've never laughed so hard in a long time.
My grandmother tried to teach me Das (oder ist est Die)
German and I swear that's what drove me around the bend.
I never recovered from it
Pete

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bernd.pauli at paulinet.de>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 11:26 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Re-2: How do you say dronino?


> Martin wrote: "@#!GRMBLGnggnn%&$ !!!!"
>
> Darren opined: "To be fair, EVERYTHING in German sounds like that."
>
> Very off-topic but once again timefor THAT - Please enjoy :-)
>
> The Awful German Language
>
> A person who has not studied German can form no idea of what a perplexing 
> language it is.
> Every time I think I have got one of these four confusing 'cases' where I 
> am master of it, a seemingly insignificant preposition intrudes itself 
> into my sentence clothed with an awful and unsuspected power, and crumbles 
> the ground from under me.  For instance, my book inquires after a certain 
> bird (it is always inquiring after things which are of no sort of 
> consequence to anybody): "Where is the bird?" Now the answer to this 
> question - according to the book - is that the bird is waiting in the 
> blacksmith shop on account of the rain. Of course no bird would do that, 
> but then you must stick to the book. Very well, I begin to cipher out the 
> German for that answer. I begin at the wrong end, necessarily, for that is 
> the German idea. I say to myself, "Regen (rain) is masculine - or maybe it 
> is feminine - or possibly neuter - it is too much trouble to look, now. 
> Therefore, it is either der (the) Regen, or die (the) Regen, or das (the) 
> Regen, according to which gender it may tur
> n out to be when I look. In the interest of science, I will cipher it out 
> on the hypothesis that it is masculine. Very well - then the rain is der 
> Regen, if it is simply in the quiescent state of being mentioned, without 
> enlargement or discussion - Nomina-tive case; but if this rain is lying 
> around, in a kind of a general way on the ground, it is then definitely 
> located, it is doing something - that is, resting (which is one of the 
> German grammar's ideas of doing something), and this throws the rain into 
> the Dative case, and makes it dem Regen. However, this rain is not 
> resting, but is doing something actively - it is falling - to interfere 
> with the bird, likely - and this indicates movement -which has the effect 
> of sliding it into the Accusative case and changing dem Regen into den 
> Regen." Having completed the grammatical horoscope of this matter, I 
> answer up confidently and state in German that the bird is staying in the 
> blacksmith shop 'wegen (on account of) den Regen
> ' Then the teacher lets me softly down with the remark that whenever the 
> word 'wegen' drops into a sentence, it always throws that subject into the 
> Genitive case, regardless of consequences - and that therefore this bird 
> stayed in the blacksmith shop "wegen des Regens."
> Every noun has a gender, and there is no sense or system in the 
> distribution; so the gender of each must be learned separately and by 
> heart. There is no other way. To do this one has to have a memory like a 
> memorandum book. In German a young lady has no sex, while a turnip has. 
> Think what reverence that shows for the turnip, and what disrespect for 
> the girl. See how it looks in print. I translate this from a conversation 
> in one of the best of the German Sunday-school books:
>
> Gretchen: "Wilhelm, where is the turnip?"
> Wilhelm: "She has gone to the kitchen."
> Gretchen: "Where is the beautiful English maiden?"
> Wilhelm: "It has gone to the opera."
>
> The Germans have a kind of parenthesis, which they make by splitting a 
> verb in two and putting half of it at the beginning of an exciting chapter 
> and the other hauat the end of it. Can any one conceive of anything more 
> confusing than that?  These things are called 'separable verbs'. The 
> German grammar is blistered all over with separable verbs; and the wider 
> the two portions of one of them are spread apart, the better the author of 
> the crime is pleased with his performance. A favourite one is reiste ab, 
> which means departed. Here is an example which I culled from a novel and 
> reduced to English.
> "The trunks being now ready, he de- after kissing his mother and sisters, 
> and once more pressing to his bosom his adored Gretchen, who, dressed in 
> simple white muslin with a single tuberose in the ample folds of her rich 
> brown hair, had tottered feebly down the stairs, still pale from the 
> terror and excitement of the past evening, but longing to lay her poor 
> aching head yet once again upon the breast of him whom she loved more 
> dearly than life itself, parted."
> Some German words are so long that they have a perspective. Observe these 
> examples:
>
> Generalstaatsverordnetenversammlungen
> Alterthumswissenschaften
> Kinderbewahrungsanstalten
> Unabhaengigkeitserklaerungen
> Wiederherstellungsbestrebungen
> Waffenstillstandsunterhandlungen
>
> These things are not words, they are alphabetical processions. And they 
> are not rare; one can open a German newspaper any time and see them 
> marching majestically across the page - and if he has any imagination he 
> can see the banners and hear the music, too. They impart a martial thrill 
> to the meekest subject. I take a great interest in these curiosities. 
> Whenever I come across a good one, I stuff it and put it in my museum. In 
> this way I have made quite a valuable collection. When I get duplicates, I 
> exchange with other collectors, and thus increase the variety of my stock.
>
> (From A Tramp Abroad, by Mark Twain, 1879)
>
>
> To: cynapse at charter.net
>    altmann at meteorite-martin.de
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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From twelker at alaska.net  Thu Nov 20 17:55:23 2008
From: twelker at alaska.net (Eric Twelker)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:55:23 -0900
Subject: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation
Message-ID: <5B30F57D-235E-4564-8003-D118CEEAECAA@alaska.net>

Hello List

	I thought this might be of some interest . . .  Today I was contacted  
by someone who identified herself as an Argentine TV reporter.  She  
asked questions about my sales of Campos and said I was under  
investigation in Argentina for violating their meteorite laws.  She  
asked if I would come to Argentina to answer the charges.  Having  
never been to Argentina, I suggested that I hadn't violated their  
laws--and I certainly wouldn't show up for their inquisition.  I'm  
curious if others have had similar experiences.

	Eric Twelker
	http://www.meteoritemarket.com




From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Thu Nov 20 17:56:51 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 20 Nov 2008 22:56:51 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation
Message-ID: <DIIE.00000064000035B4@paulinet.de>

Hello Eric and List,

"She asked if I would come to Argentina to answer the
charges...I certainly wouldn't show up for their inquisition"

No such experiences here but the best you can do as a citizen
of a free country is to simply ignore such b.s., sorry, nonsense.

Best,

Bernd


From rob_mccafferty at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 20 18:26:04 2008
From: rob_mccafferty at yahoo.com (Rob McCafferty)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:26:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation
In-Reply-To: <5B30F57D-235E-4564-8003-D118CEEAECAA@alaska.net>
Message-ID: <897402.32466.qm@web55203.mail.re4.yahoo.com>


So it appear that it is true. If Eric can be accused then we must all be pirates.

Please excuse me while I jet off to Somalia to hijack another oil tanker.

Cordially
Rob McC

--- On Thu, 11/20/08, Eric Twelker <twelker at alaska.net> wrote:

> From: Eric Twelker <twelker at alaska.net>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 10:55 PM
> Hello List
> 
> 	I thought this might be of some interest . . .  Today I
> was contacted by someone who identified herself as an
> Argentine TV reporter.  She asked questions about my sales
> of Campos and said I was under investigation in Argentina
> for violating their meteorite laws.  She asked if I would
> come to Argentina to answer the charges.  Having never been
> to Argentina, I suggested that I hadn't violated their
> laws--and I certainly wouldn't show up for their
> inquisition.  I'm curious if others have had similar
> experiences.
> 
> 	Eric Twelker
> 	http://www.meteoritemarket.com
> 
> 
> 
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From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Thu Nov 20 18:39:21 2008
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:39:21 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation
In-Reply-To: <DIIE.00000064000035B4@paulinet.de>
References: <DIIE.00000064000035B4@paulinet.de>
Message-ID: <00ac01c94b69$372f0f10$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>

Hi Bernd & Eric,

I think, it's because Eric's pages show up first, if you type in the search
engines:  "meteorites sale".

Note also that Eric's meteorite market was shown in the news clip about the
new iron find in Goias, Brazil.

Don't worry Eric, ignore. When came the new law into force? In January?
They and not you have to prove, whether there was an illicit export and
whether it happened this year.

But there you can see that baleful development to more and more
restrictions.

Meteoritics is such a wonderful and important science, but without
meteorites, it doesn't work.
Bye, bye state-of-the-art-research.

To me it seems, that all started with that propaganda article with those
utterly false pretences by Schmitt & McEwen,
which is still parroted here and there by some curators.
Would have been better, if MAPS would have been peer reviewed then.

Well congratulations, gentlemen.
If that all continues, then science soon will have only the Antarctic finds
(huh, 0.8Mio USD for 6 weeks on ice, 70 million for supplying McMurdo
Station with sausages and fuel. Does anyone knows the budget of NIPR? Found
only a very old one of 30 million a year)
and the handful of weathered chondrites the university teams pick up on
their adventure vacation trips.

It's tax payers money, it's our money.
A small step for hysteria, but a giant regress for science.

At least one solace remains. In 50 years, an Afanasjev, a Vassiliev, a
Sadilenko... will be venerated by the scientists, like today a Nininger, a
Schreibers, a Daubre?, a Krinov.......
While a Schmitt, a McEwen will have been long forgotten.

Skol
Martin




-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von
bernd.pauli at paulinet.de
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. November 2008 23:57
An: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation

Hello Eric and List,

"She asked if I would come to Argentina to answer the
charges...I certainly wouldn't show up for their inquisition"

No such experiences here but the best you can do as a citizen
of a free country is to simply ignore such b.s., sorry, nonsense.

Best,

Bernd

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From abdelaziz_alhyane at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 20 19:11:39 2008
From: abdelaziz_alhyane at yahoo.com (Abdelaziz Alhyane)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:11:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD : NWA Material
Message-ID: <61177.96166.qm@web45414.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Hi List members,
Up for sale something new for excellent prices . off list please at alhyane_abdelaziz at yahoo.com
Pics and prices on request.
Thanks
Aziz


Abdelaziz Alhyane
83500 Morocco
+21261655060


      


From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 20 20:05:39 2008
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:05:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] (AD) mystery freebies
Message-ID: <453900.66334.qm@web57806.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi again list.I hope all is well with everyone.I am giving away 5 "mystery " freebies.Only 5,no more.The first people who chime in,please only people who really want them.All I ask is,when I say you will get one,PLEASE GIVE ME YOUR ADDRESS.Also I got my 70 gram endcut of my new type 3 class today from carsten giessler.What a beaut.It can be seen on my homepage of website.WOW!!!!!!Chime in now,and I hope everyone has a great weekend.

Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/


      

From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Thu Nov 20 20:53:56 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:53:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] MRO Detects Buried Glaciers on Mars
Message-ID: <200811210153.RAA02711@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



Nov. 20, 2008

Dwayne Brown 
Headquarters, Washington 
202-358-1726 
dwayne.c.brown at nasa.gov 

Guy Webster 
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. 
818-354-6278 
guy.webster at jpl.nasa.gov 

RELEASE: 08-304

NASA SPACECRAFT DETECTS BURIED GLACIERS ON MARS

PASADENA, Calif.-- NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter has revealed 
vast Martian glaciers of water ice under protective blankets of rocky 
debris at much lower latitudes than any ice previously identified on 
the Red Planet. 

Scientists analyzed data from the spacecraft's ground-penetrating 
radar and report in the Nov. 21 issue of the journal Science that 
buried glaciers extend for dozens of miles from the edges of 
mountains or cliffs. A layer of rocky debris blanketing the ice may 
have preserved the underground glaciers as remnants from an ice sheet 
that covered middle latitudes during a past ice age. This discovery 
is similar to massive ice glaciers that have been detected under 
rocky coverings in Antarctica. 

"Altogether, these glaciers almost certainly represent the largest 
reservoir of water ice on Mars that is not in the polar caps," said 
John W. Holt of the University of Texas at Austin, who is lead author 
of the report. "Just one of the features we examined is three times 
larger than the city of Los Angeles and up to half a mile thick. And 
there are many more. In addition to their scientific value, they 
could be a source of water to support future exploration of Mars." 

Scientists have been puzzled by what are known as aprons -- gently 
sloping areas containing rocky deposits at the bases of taller 
geographical features -- since NASA's Viking orbiters first observed 
them on the Martian surface in the1970s. One theory has been that the 
aprons are flows of rocky debris lubricated by a small amount ice. 
Now, the shallow radar instrument on the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter 
has provided scientists an answer to this Martian puzzle. 

"These results are the smoking gun pointing to the presence of large 
amounts of water ice at these latitudes," said Ali Safaeinili, a 
shallow radar instruments team member with NASA's Jet Propulsion 
Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif. 

Radar echoes received by the spacecraft indicated radio waves pass 
through the aprons and reflect off a deeper surface below without 
significant loss in strength. That is expected if the apron areas are 
composed of thick ice under a relatively thin covering. The radar 
does not detect reflections from the interior of these deposits as 
would occur if they contained significant rock debris. The apparent 
velocity of radio waves passing through the apron is consistent with 
a composition of water ice. 

Scientists developed the shallow radar instrument for the orbiter to 
examine these mid-latitude geographical features and layered deposits 
at the Martian poles. The Italian Space Agency provided the 
instrument. 

"We developed the instrument so it could operate on this kind of 
terrain," said Roberto Seu, leader of the instrument science team at 
the University of Rome La Sapienza in Italy. "It is now a priority to 
observe other examples of these aprons to determine whether they are 
also ice." 

Holt and 11 co-authors report the buried glaciers lie in the Hellas 
Basin region of Mars' southern hemisphere. The radar also has 
detected similar-appearing aprons extending from cliffs in the 
northern hemisphere. 

"There's an even larger volume of water ice in the northern deposits," 
said JPL geologist Jeffrey J. Plaut, who will be publishing results 
about these deposits in the American Geophysical Union's Geophysical 
Research Letters. "The fact these features are in the same latitude 
bands, about 35 to 60 degrees in both hemispheres, points to a 
climate-driven mechanism for explaining how they got there." 

The rocky debris blanket topping the glaciers apparently has protected 
the ice from vaporizing, which would happen if it were exposed to the 
atmosphere at these latitudes. 

"A key question is, how did the ice get there in the first place?" 
said James W. Head of Brown University in Providence, R.I. "The tilt 
of Mars' spin axis sometimes gets much greater than it is now. 
Climate modeling tells us ice sheets could cover mid-latitude regions 
of Mars during those high-tilt periods. The buried glaciers make 
sense as preserved fragments from an ice age millions of years ago. 
On Earth, such buried glacial ice in Antarctica preserves the record 
of traces of ancient organisms and past climate history." 

JPL manages the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter for NASA's Science Mission 
Directorate in Washington. For more information about the Mars 
Reconnaissance Orbiter, visit: 

http://www.nasa.gov/mro 

	
-end-



From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Thu Nov 20 21:02:09 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:02:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - November 19, 2008
Message-ID: <200811210202.SAA04345@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES
November 19, 2008

o Barchan Dunes in Chasma Boreale
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_010169_265

o Colorful Ancient Rocks Near Mawrth Vallis 
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_010183_2035

o Stratigraphy of the North Polar Deposits 
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_010198_2645

o Reading the Rock Record at Nili Fossae
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_010206_1975



All of the HiRISE images are archived here:

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/

Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is 
online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is 
managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division 
of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA 
Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed 
Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor 
and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the 
University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies 
Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument.

From John at Cabassi.net  Thu Nov 20 21:05:48 2008
From: John at Cabassi.net (John.L.Cabassi)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:05:48 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation
References: <5B30F57D-235E-4564-8003-D118CEEAECAA@alaska.net>
Message-ID: <003901c94b7d$b35bc1a0$4564fea9@TITAN>

G'Day List
You might find this interesting. It is in Spanish, but I think you'll get 
the idea...  Here's the link, courtesy of Larense.
http://www.tn.com.ar
In the search area (top right corner) type in Campo del Cielo and then click 
on the video. Pretty interesting regardless.  This could be the reporter 
that's looking for Eric.

Cheers
Johnno

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eric Twelker" <twelker at alaska.net>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:55 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation


> Hello List
>
> I thought this might be of some interest . . .  Today I was contacted  by 
> someone who identified herself as an Argentine TV reporter.  She  asked 
> questions about my sales of Campos and said I was under  investigation in 
> Argentina for violating their meteorite laws.  She  asked if I would come 
> to Argentina to answer the charges.  Having  never been to Argentina, I 
> suggested that I hadn't violated their  laws--and I certainly wouldn't 
> show up for their inquisition.  I'm  curious if others have had similar 
> experiences.
>
> Eric Twelker
> http://www.meteoritemarket.com
>
>
>
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From grf2 at verizon.net  Thu Nov 20 21:30:52 2008
From: grf2 at verizon.net (Jerry Flaherty)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:30:52 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: New Issue: Chondrules--Tiny Molten Droplets
Message-ID: <BC7AB8FDAED9475DB4443F18D18BB88F@ASUS>

for your pleasure
jerry flaherty
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Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 7:41 PM
Subject: New Issue: Chondrules--Tiny Molten Droplets


> Announcement from Planetary Science Research Discoveries [PSRD]
>
> New article online: Tiny Molten Droplets, Dusty Clouds, and Planet 
> Formation
>
> --Roughly constant sodium concentration during chondrule crystallization 
> suggests that these molten droplets formed in regions of the solar nebula 
> that were enriched in rocky dust.
> ---------
> We invite you to:
> READ: First summary paragraph for a quick overview
> PRINT: pdf version
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From grf2 at verizon.net  Thu Nov 20 21:39:05 2008
From: grf2 at verizon.net (Jerry Flaherty)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:39:05 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation
References: <5B30F57D-235E-4564-8003-D118CEEAECAA@alaska.net>
	<003901c94b7d$b35bc1a0$4564fea9@TITAN>
Message-ID: <C13B9AE06C704089B963F1EC48F1E9AC@ASUS>

That must be the one that got away [from Bob Haag]!!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John.L.Cabassi" <John at Cabassi.net>
To: "Eric Twelker" <twelker at alaska.net>; 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation


> G'Day List
> You might find this interesting. It is in Spanish, but I think you'll get 
> the idea...  Here's the link, courtesy of Larense.
> http://www.tn.com.ar
> In the search area (top right corner) type in Campo del Cielo and then 
> click on the video. Pretty interesting regardless.  This could be the 
> reporter that's looking for Eric.
>
> Cheers
> Johnno
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Eric Twelker" <twelker at alaska.net>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:55 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation
>
>
>> Hello List
>>
>> I thought this might be of some interest . . .  Today I was contacted  by 
>> someone who identified herself as an Argentine TV reporter.  She  asked 
>> questions about my sales of Campos and said I was under  investigation in 
>> Argentina for violating their meteorite laws.  She  asked if I would come 
>> to Argentina to answer the charges.  Having  never been to Argentina, I 
>> suggested that I hadn't violated their  laws--and I certainly wouldn't 
>> show up for their inquisition.  I'm  curious if others have had similar 
>> experiences.
>>
>> Eric Twelker
>> http://www.meteoritemarket.com
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________
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From grf2 at verizon.net  Thu Nov 20 21:45:11 2008
From: grf2 at verizon.net (Jerry Flaherty)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:45:11 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation
References: <5B30F57D-235E-4564-8003-D118CEEAECAA@alaska.net>
	<003901c94b7d$b35bc1a0$4564fea9@TITAN>
Message-ID: <FC4365FD2C5F45CBAF333CA0510131AD@ASUS>

guess i'm kinda right
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John.L.Cabassi" <John at Cabassi.net>
To: "Eric Twelker" <twelker at alaska.net>; 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation


> G'Day List
> You might find this interesting. It is in Spanish, but I think you'll get 
> the idea...  Here's the link, courtesy of Larense.
> http://www.tn.com.ar
> In the search area (top right corner) type in Campo del Cielo and then 
> click on the video. Pretty interesting regardless.  This could be the 
> reporter that's looking for Eric.
>
> Cheers
> Johnno
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Eric Twelker" <twelker at alaska.net>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:55 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation
>
>
>> Hello List
>>
>> I thought this might be of some interest . . .  Today I was contacted  by 
>> someone who identified herself as an Argentine TV reporter.  She  asked 
>> questions about my sales of Campos and said I was under  investigation in 
>> Argentina for violating their meteorite laws.  She  asked if I would come 
>> to Argentina to answer the charges.  Having  never been to Argentina, I 
>> suggested that I hadn't violated their  laws--and I certainly wouldn't 
>> show up for their inquisition.  I'm  curious if others have had similar 
>> experiences.
>>
>> Eric Twelker
>> http://www.meteoritemarket.com
>>
>>
>>
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From grf2 at verizon.net  Thu Nov 20 21:46:29 2008
From: grf2 at verizon.net (Jerry Flaherty)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:46:29 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation
References: <5B30F57D-235E-4564-8003-D118CEEAECAA@alaska.net>
	<003901c94b7d$b35bc1a0$4564fea9@TITAN>
Message-ID: <A88352BBF9884D0AAE2EBBEB48F9F6A4@ASUS>

thatr does look like Eric's web page
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John.L.Cabassi" <John at Cabassi.net>
To: "Eric Twelker" <twelker at alaska.net>; 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation


> G'Day List
> You might find this interesting. It is in Spanish, but I think you'll get 
> the idea...  Here's the link, courtesy of Larense.
> http://www.tn.com.ar
> In the search area (top right corner) type in Campo del Cielo and then 
> click on the video. Pretty interesting regardless.  This could be the 
> reporter that's looking for Eric.
>
> Cheers
> Johnno
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Eric Twelker" <twelker at alaska.net>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:55 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation
>
>
>> Hello List
>>
>> I thought this might be of some interest . . .  Today I was contacted  by 
>> someone who identified herself as an Argentine TV reporter.  She  asked 
>> questions about my sales of Campos and said I was under  investigation in 
>> Argentina for violating their meteorite laws.  She  asked if I would come 
>> to Argentina to answer the charges.  Having  never been to Argentina, I 
>> suggested that I hadn't violated their  laws--and I certainly wouldn't 
>> show up for their inquisition.  I'm  curious if others have had similar 
>> experiences.
>>
>> Eric Twelker
>> http://www.meteoritemarket.com
>>
>>
>>
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>> Meteorite-list mailing list
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From grf2 at verizon.net  Thu Nov 20 21:47:38 2008
From: grf2 at verizon.net (Jerry Flaherty)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:47:38 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation
References: <5B30F57D-235E-4564-8003-D118CEEAECAA@alaska.net>
	<003901c94b7d$b35bc1a0$4564fea9@TITAN>
Message-ID: <CA54949625B045B18CD38DD96006ECAE@ASUS>

indeed there's eric
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John.L.Cabassi" <John at Cabassi.net>
To: "Eric Twelker" <twelker at alaska.net>; 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation


> G'Day List
> You might find this interesting. It is in Spanish, but I think you'll get 
> the idea...  Here's the link, courtesy of Larense.
> http://www.tn.com.ar
> In the search area (top right corner) type in Campo del Cielo and then 
> click on the video. Pretty interesting regardless.  This could be the 
> reporter that's looking for Eric.
>
> Cheers
> Johnno
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Eric Twelker" <twelker at alaska.net>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:55 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation
>
>
>> Hello List
>>
>> I thought this might be of some interest . . .  Today I was contacted  by 
>> someone who identified herself as an Argentine TV reporter.  She  asked 
>> questions about my sales of Campos and said I was under  investigation in 
>> Argentina for violating their meteorite laws.  She  asked if I would come 
>> to Argentina to answer the charges.  Having  never been to Argentina, I 
>> suggested that I hadn't violated their  laws--and I certainly wouldn't 
>> show up for their inquisition.  I'm  curious if others have had similar 
>> experiences.
>>
>> Eric Twelker
>> http://www.meteoritemarket.com
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________
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>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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From John at Cabassi.net  Thu Nov 20 21:49:36 2008
From: John at Cabassi.net (John.L.Cabassi)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:49:36 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation
References: <5B30F57D-235E-4564-8003-D118CEEAECAA@alaska.net><003901c94b7d$b35bc1a0$4564fea9@TITAN>
	<A88352BBF9884D0AAE2EBBEB48F9F6A4@ASUS>
Message-ID: <007c01c94b83$ccf691c0$4564fea9@TITAN>

G'Day Jerry
That's what I thought also. I was paying more attention to the websites and 
I thought that was Eric's site.

Cheers
Johnno

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Flaherty" <grf2 at verizon.net>
To: "John.L.Cabassi" <John at Cabassi.net>; "Eric Twelker" 
<twelker at alaska.net>; <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation


> thatr does look like Eric's web page
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John.L.Cabassi" <John at Cabassi.net>
> To: "Eric Twelker" <twelker at alaska.net>; 
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 9:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation
>
>
>> G'Day List
>> You might find this interesting. It is in Spanish, but I think you'll get 
>> the idea...  Here's the link, courtesy of Larense.
>> http://www.tn.com.ar
>> In the search area (top right corner) type in Campo del Cielo and then 
>> click on the video. Pretty interesting regardless.  This could be the 
>> reporter that's looking for Eric.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Johnno
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Eric Twelker" <twelker at alaska.net>
>> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:55 PM
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation
>>
>>
>>> Hello List
>>>
>>> I thought this might be of some interest . . .  Today I was contacted 
>>> by someone who identified herself as an Argentine TV reporter.  She 
>>> asked questions about my sales of Campos and said I was under 
>>> investigation in Argentina for violating their meteorite laws.  She 
>>> asked if I would come to Argentina to answer the charges.  Having  never 
>>> been to Argentina, I suggested that I hadn't violated their  laws--and I 
>>> certainly wouldn't show up for their inquisition.  I'm  curious if 
>>> others have had similar experiences.
>>>
>>> Eric Twelker
>>> http://www.meteoritemarket.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
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From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 20 21:52:01 2008
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:52:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation
In-Reply-To: <007c01c94b83$ccf691c0$4564fea9@TITAN>
Message-ID: <527924.54897.qm@web45607.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I would not worry about it, as a US resident you are covered under US law, and if Im not mistaken the grandfather laws will cover any exports prior to the ban taking effect. 
It will be interesting to see how this effects the price of Campo meteorites.
Glad I have stocked up long time ago on them.



--- On Thu, 11/20/08, John.L.Cabassi <John at Cabassi.net> wrote:

> From: John.L.Cabassi <John at Cabassi.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 9:49 PM
> G'Day Jerry
> That's what I thought also. I was paying more attention
> to the websites and I thought that was Eric's site.
> 
> Cheers
> Johnno
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry
> Flaherty" <grf2 at verizon.net>
> To: "John.L.Cabassi" <John at Cabassi.net>;
> "Eric Twelker" <twelker at alaska.net>;
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 6:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation
> 
> 
> > thatr does look like Eric's web page
> > ----- Original Message ----- From:
> "John.L.Cabassi" <John at Cabassi.net>
> > To: "Eric Twelker"
> <twelker at alaska.net>;
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 9:05 PM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo
> Investigation
> > 
> > 
> >> G'Day List
> >> You might find this interesting. It is in Spanish,
> but I think you'll get the idea...  Here's the link,
> courtesy of Larense.
> >> http://www.tn.com.ar
> >> In the search area (top right corner) type in
> Campo del Cielo and then click on the video. Pretty
> interesting regardless.  This could be the reporter
> that's looking for Eric.
> >> 
> >> Cheers
> >> Johnno
> >> 
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric
> Twelker" <twelker at alaska.net>
> >> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> >> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:55 PM
> >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo
> Investigation
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> Hello List
> >>> 
> >>> I thought this might be of some interest . . .
>  Today I was contacted by someone who identified herself as
> an Argentine TV reporter.  She asked questions about my
> sales of Campos and said I was under investigation in
> Argentina for violating their meteorite laws.  She asked if
> I would come to Argentina to answer the charges.  Having 
> never been to Argentina, I suggested that I hadn't
> violated their  laws--and I certainly wouldn't show up
> for their inquisition.  I'm  curious if others have had
> similar experiences.
> >>> 
> >>> Eric Twelker
> >>> http://www.meteoritemarket.com
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> ______________________________________________
> >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> >>> Meteorite-list mailing list
> >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >>>
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >> 
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> >>
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From John at Cabassi.net  Thu Nov 20 21:56:06 2008
From: John at Cabassi.net (John.L.Cabassi)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:56:06 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation
References: <527924.54897.qm@web45607.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <008801c94b84$b51f8d80$4564fea9@TITAN>

G'Day Greg and List
It's hard to say it would affect the sales of Campo. I hope not, because I'm 
still looking for a centerpiece of iron for my collection.

Cheers
Johnno

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Catterton" <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation


>I would not worry about it, as a US resident you are covered under US law, 
>and if Im not mistaken the grandfather laws will cover any exports prior to 
>the ban taking effect.
> It will be interesting to see how this effects the price of Campo 
> meteorites.
> Glad I have stocked up long time ago on them.
>
>
>
> --- On Thu, 11/20/08, John.L.Cabassi <John at Cabassi.net> wrote:
>
>> From: John.L.Cabassi <John at Cabassi.net>
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 9:49 PM
>> G'Day Jerry
>> That's what I thought also. I was paying more attention
>> to the websites and I thought that was Eric's site.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Johnno
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry
>> Flaherty" <grf2 at verizon.net>
>> To: "John.L.Cabassi" <John at Cabassi.net>;
>> "Eric Twelker" <twelker at alaska.net>;
>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 6:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation
>>
>>
>> > thatr does look like Eric's web page
>> > ----- Original Message ----- From:
>> "John.L.Cabassi" <John at Cabassi.net>
>> > To: "Eric Twelker"
>> <twelker at alaska.net>;
>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 9:05 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo
>> Investigation
>> >
>> >
>> >> G'Day List
>> >> You might find this interesting. It is in Spanish,
>> but I think you'll get the idea...  Here's the link,
>> courtesy of Larense.
>> >> http://www.tn.com.ar
>> >> In the search area (top right corner) type in
>> Campo del Cielo and then click on the video. Pretty
>> interesting regardless.  This could be the reporter
>> that's looking for Eric.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers
>> >> Johnno
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric
>> Twelker" <twelker at alaska.net>
>> >> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> >> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:55 PM
>> >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo
>> Investigation
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Hello List
>> >>>
>> >>> I thought this might be of some interest . . .
>>  Today I was contacted by someone who identified herself as
>> an Argentine TV reporter.  She asked questions about my
>> sales of Campos and said I was under investigation in
>> Argentina for violating their meteorite laws.  She asked if
>> I would come to Argentina to answer the charges.  Having
>> never been to Argentina, I suggested that I hadn't
>> violated their  laws--and I certainly wouldn't show up
>> for their inquisition.  I'm  curious if others have had
>> similar experiences.
>> >>>
>> >>> Eric Twelker
>> >>> http://www.meteoritemarket.com
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ______________________________________________
>> >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> >>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> >>>
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>> >>
>> >> ______________________________________________
>> >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> >> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> >>
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>> >
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>> >
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>
>
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From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 20 22:38:05 2008
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:38:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] thanks for the freebies/and vise versa
Message-ID: <466023.77782.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi again list.I now can officially say,THE END!The freebies I have given away over the last 5 years have now come to a complete end.There is no more to give.I want to thank everyone who chimed in over the last 5 years.I hope I have made your collections,museum's and other local's a better place for scientific study or just for pure delight.It has been my pleasure to do this.Some of you have complained because I have done this.But then again,only less than 1% versus the 99% who has liked what I've done.I also want to publicly thank those who have returned kindness to me by giving me freebies.It is muched appreciated.I have gotten a few sikote-alin's which now has totalled 6.2 kilo's of 40 individuals.Agian thanks to all who has benefitted from my givaways.It has been my pleasure to bring a little sun into alot of peoples lives.

Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/


      

From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 20 22:44:57 2008
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:44:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] thanks for the freebies/and vise versa
In-Reply-To: <466023.77782.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <593198.9828.qm@web45604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I have recieved a few of your freebies and I would like to publicly thank you for them. It was very kind of you to offer these out to people.
The pieces you have sent me will remain in my collection and be enjoyed by me and my children for many years to come.
Thanks!

Greg


--- On Thu, 11/20/08, steve arnold <stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: steve arnold <stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] thanks for the freebies/and vise versa
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 10:38 PM
> Hi again list.I now can officially say,THE END!The freebies
> I have given away over the last 5 years have now come to a
> complete end.There is no more to give.I want to thank
> everyone who chimed in over the last 5 years.I hope I have
> made your collections,museum's and other local's a
> better place for scientific study or just for pure
> delight.It has been my pleasure to do this.Some of you have
> complained because I have done this.But then again,only less
> than 1% versus the 99% who has liked what I've done.I
> also want to publicly thank those who have returned kindness
> to me by giving me freebies.It is muched appreciated.I have
> gotten a few sikote-alin's which now has totalled 6.2
> kilo's of 40 individuals.Agian thanks to all who has
> benefitted from my givaways.It has been my pleasure to bring
> a little sun into alot of peoples lives.
> 
> Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/
> 
> 
>       
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From bandk at chorus.net  Thu Nov 20 23:04:52 2008
From: bandk at chorus.net (Kirk Jenks)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:04:52 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] thanks for the freebies/and vise versa
References: <593198.9828.qm@web45604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0C199972358A450DB18CDB46D898B70F@owner55652f88b>

I'll second that one too! I have received MANY freebies from Steve, and I 
have always been very appreciated. His acts of kindness have been most 
appreciated! Thank you Steve!!
                                    Best To All!!
                                                 Kirk......:-)
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Catterton" <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] thanks for the freebies/and vise versa


>I have recieved a few of your freebies and I would like to publicly thank 
>you for them. It was very kind of you to offer these out to people.
> The pieces you have sent me will remain in my collection and be enjoyed by 
> me and my children for many years to come.
> Thanks!
>
> Greg
>
>
> --- On Thu, 11/20/08, steve arnold <stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> From: steve arnold <stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] thanks for the freebies/and vise versa
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 10:38 PM
>> Hi again list.I now can officially say,THE END!The freebies
>> I have given away over the last 5 years have now come to a
>> complete end.There is no more to give.I want to thank
>> everyone who chimed in over the last 5 years.I hope I have
>> made your collections,museum's and other local's a
>> better place for scientific study or just for pure
>> delight.It has been my pleasure to do this.Some of you have
>> complained because I have done this.But then again,only less
>> than 1% versus the 99% who has liked what I've done.I
>> also want to publicly thank those who have returned kindness
>> to me by giving me freebies.It is muched appreciated.I have
>> gotten a few sikote-alin's which now has totalled 6.2
>> kilo's of 40 individuals.Agian thanks to all who has
>> benefitted from my givaways.It has been my pleasure to bring
>> a little sun into alot of peoples lives.
>>
>> Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/
>>
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From John at Cabassi.net  Thu Nov 20 23:08:10 2008
From: John at Cabassi.net (John.L.Cabassi)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:08:10 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] thanks for the freebies/and vise versa
References: <466023.77782.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00cb01c94b8e$c98781b0$4564fea9@TITAN>

G'Day Steve and List
I would not worry about the 1% who have been negative towards your 
generosity. I for one, am very appreciative for what you have given me and I 
know there is alot of people out there that are also thankful for your 
kindness. You've filled a few holes in their collections, ones that possibly 
they could not have afford to purchase. You've really shown compassion to 
alot of collectors.

So to you, a Big THANK YOU!!! And a very safe and happy holidays.

Cheers
Johnno

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "steve arnold" <stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 7:38 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] thanks for the freebies/and vise versa


> Hi again list.I now can officially say,THE END!The freebies I have given 
> away over the last 5 years have now come to a complete end.There is no 
> more to give.I want to thank everyone who chimed in over the last 5 
> years.I hope I have made your collections,museum's and other local's a 
> better place for scientific study or just for pure delight.It has been my 
> pleasure to do this.Some of you have complained because I have done 
> this.But then again,only less than 1% versus the 99% who has liked what 
> I've done.I also want to publicly thank those who have returned kindness 
> to me by giving me freebies.It is muched appreciated.I have gotten a few 
> sikote-alin's which now has totalled 6.2 kilo's of 40 individuals.Agian 
> thanks to all who has benefitted from my givaways.It has been my pleasure 
> to bring a little sun into alot of peoples lives.
>
> Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
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> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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From griff6495 at msn.com  Thu Nov 20 23:12:44 2008
From: griff6495 at msn.com (Floyd "Griff" Griffith)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:12:44 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] thanks for the freebies/and vise versa
References: <593198.9828.qm@web45604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<0C199972358A450DB18CDB46D898B70F@owner55652f88b>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP204E034C360EF48F38FD89B70F0@phx.gbl>

I would like to thank Steve for the freebies he has send me.
Thanks again.

Best to all,
Griff
Parker, Colorado


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kirk Jenks" <bandk at chorus.net>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; "steve arnold" 
<stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com>; "Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!" 
<steve_arnol60120 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] thanks for the freebies/and vise versa


> I'll second that one too! I have received MANY freebies from Steve, and I 
> have always been very appreciated. His acts of kindness have been most 
> appreciated! Thank you Steve!!
>                                    Best To All!!
>                                                 Kirk......:-)
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Greg Catterton" <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 9:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] thanks for the freebies/and vise versa
>
>
>>I have recieved a few of your freebies and I would like to publicly thank 
>>you for them. It was very kind of you to offer these out to people.
>> The pieces you have sent me will remain in my collection and be enjoyed 
>> by me and my children for many years to come.
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>> --- On Thu, 11/20/08, steve arnold <stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> From: steve arnold <stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com>
>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] thanks for the freebies/and vise versa
>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 10:38 PM
>>> Hi again list.I now can officially say,THE END!The freebies
>>> I have given away over the last 5 years have now come to a
>>> complete end.There is no more to give.I want to thank
>>> everyone who chimed in over the last 5 years.I hope I have
>>> made your collections,museum's and other local's a
>>> better place for scientific study or just for pure
>>> delight.It has been my pleasure to do this.Some of you have
>>> complained because I have done this.But then again,only less
>>> than 1% versus the 99% who has liked what I've done.I
>>> also want to publicly thank those who have returned kindness
>>> to me by giving me freebies.It is muched appreciated.I have
>>> gotten a few sikote-alin's which now has totalled 6.2
>>> kilo's of 40 individuals.Agian thanks to all who has
>>> benefitted from my givaways.It has been my pleasure to bring
>>> a little sun into alot of peoples lives.
>>>
>>> Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From cynapse at charter.net  Fri Nov 21 00:26:41 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:26:41 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Canada big meteor
In-Reply-To: <200811210153.RAA02711@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
References: <200811210153.RAA02711@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <hchci4hobrh1e2jkmso8a31pteevoj4qes@4ax.com>

http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/story.html?id=e318f05d-0e09-4ec4-8d2a-5b5e22fb7162

Massive fireball lights up night skies in Alta., Sask.
Laura Drake, Canwest News Service
Published: Thursday, November 20, 2008

EDMONTON - It wasn't a bird, and it sure as heck wasn't a plane, but whatever
was in the sky over western Canada on Thursday night was very exciting for the
people who saw it.

In Edmonton and across the Prairies, hundreds of people reported seeing a bright
flaming object light up the sky around 5:30 p.m. local time. It was variously
described as green, yellow, purple or blue, and appeared as either an explosion
or an object streaking through the sky.

Sightings came from across the Prairies; from as far south as Medicine Hat,
Alta., to as far north as Beauval, Sask. - 600 kilometres from Edmonton.

Marcel Gobeil, who lives on a farm south of Edmonton, was in his living room
when he heard what he describes as a "loud boom," followed by bright colourful
light in the sky.

"At first I thought it was fireworks," said Gobeil. "I've never seen anything
like it; it was green and blue and then turned to bright red. It was pretty
big."

Gobeil said he thought the object hit the ground about 10 seconds later.

"It seemed like it fell on Beaumont, but it's more likely it landed in Manitoba
or Saskatchewan if it was a meteorite," he said.

Hundreds of kilometres to the east, farmer Bruce Trapp also saw the light show.

"It lit up the yard almost like midday, but just for an instant," said Trapp,
who farms about 70 kilometres southwest of Saskatoon. "It was far brighter than
any lightning strike I've ever seen."

Shawn Mitchler was pumping gas at Radisson, Sask., about 60 kilometres northwest
of Saskatoon, when the sky flashed green and yellow.

"It seemed like fireworks or a missile coming down," said Mitchler, who
estimates the light show lasted five to 10 seconds.

"My heart just started racing because I didn't know what it was."

Edmonton International Airport spokesman Jim Rudolph said "the skies east of the
airport lit up" at 5:27 p.m.

"According to NavCanada, it appears that this was the result of a meteorite, but
that has not been confirmed," said Rudolph, adding that operations at the
airport were not affected.

"What we probably saw was a fireball, which is the result of a rock coming into
the atmosphere," said Chris Herd, an associate professor in the University of
Alberta's department of earth and atmospheric sciences and curator of the
university's meteorite collection.

"The big question now is whether or not anything hit the ground."

Richard Huziak, a member of the Royal Astronomical Society who lives in
Saskatoon, believes it was likely a meteor that did land somewhere near the
Alberta-Saskatchewan border.

It may be possible to determine a more precise location, since fireball video
cameras designed to begin recording when a bright light appears in the sky are
located in Saskatoon, Regina, Moose Jaw, Edmonton and Calgary.

"It's very likely this one has been caught. It will show the track through the
sky and might show the orbit back into space," Huziak said.

But while many of the witnesses claimed to see something land, Herd said this
was most likely an optical illusion. Since the fireball was a bright light
several kilometres up in a dark sky, it would have appeared close to anyone who
could see it. If something did fall to the Earth, it's extremely unlikely anyone
would have witnessed it, Herd said. As the object fell through the Earth's
atmosphere, it would slow down and the resulting decrease in friction would
cause it to stop burning.

"What we know about fireballs is that they're bright burning up for a certain
amount of time in the atmosphere, but then they stop burning brightly. If
there's a rock that continues after that, it's falling in dark flight," he said.

"This could literally be a couple of kilometres up in the air and it could fall
the whole rest of the way without giving off any light. It could drop like a
rock to the ground."

Herd said while fireballs are quite frequent, they don't generally happen over
populated areas.

"Something as bright as this is pretty rare," he said.

If something did ultimately hit the ground, Herd said, it would be a very
exciting find.

"It's not often that something actually lands and is found, because of all the
factors that are working against you," he said, adding he hopes anyone who finds
a new rock in their yard tomorrow will get in touch with him.

Meteorites often fall to Earth, but very few cause damage because the rocks
often disintegrate as they travel through the atmosphere.

For those who witnessed the fireball, Herd suggested they report it to the
Meteorites and Impacts Advisory Committee to the Canadian Space Agency, which
can be found at Miac.uqac.ca.

Edmonton Journal

With files from Jamie Hall, Lana Haight, Saskatoon StarPhoenix

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm7tnc3sYog

From dak_mar at alcor.concordia.ca  Fri Nov 21 01:56:18 2008
From: dak_mar at alcor.concordia.ca (dak_mar at alcor.concordia.ca)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:56:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] thanks for the freebies/and vise versa
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP204E034C360EF48F38FD89B70F0@phx.gbl>
References: <593198.9828.qm@web45604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<0C199972358A450DB18CDB46D898B70F@owner55652f88b>
	<BLU0-SMTP204E034C360EF48F38FD89B70F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <9b9ab51eb04f57ed3cf9a284dabdeba2.squirrel@webmail.concordia.ca>

I would like to add my voice to those who already answered and say "thank
you" to Steve.

Andre Bordeleau

> I would like to thank Steve for the freebies he has send me.
> Thanks again.
>
> Best to all,
> Griff
> Parker, Colorado
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kirk Jenks" <bandk at chorus.net>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; "steve arnold"
> <stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com>; "Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!"
> <steve_arnol60120 at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 9:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] thanks for the freebies/and vise versa
>
>
>> I'll second that one too! I have received MANY freebies from Steve, and
>> I
>> have always been very appreciated. His acts of kindness have been most
>> appreciated! Thank you Steve!!
>>                                    Best To All!!
>>                                                 Kirk......:-)
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Greg Catterton" <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
>> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 9:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] thanks for the freebies/and vise versa
>>
>>
>>>I have recieved a few of your freebies and I would like to publicly
>>> thank
>>>you for them. It was very kind of you to offer these out to people.
>>> The pieces you have sent me will remain in my collection and be enjoyed
>>> by me and my children for many years to come.
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Thu, 11/20/08, steve arnold <stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: steve arnold <stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com>
>>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] thanks for the freebies/and vise versa
>>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>> Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 10:38 PM
>>>> Hi again list.I now can officially say,THE END!The freebies
>>>> I have given away over the last 5 years have now come to a
>>>> complete end.There is no more to give.I want to thank
>>>> everyone who chimed in over the last 5 years.I hope I have
>>>> made your collections,museum's and other local's a
>>>> better place for scientific study or just for pure
>>>> delight.It has been my pleasure to do this.Some of you have
>>>> complained because I have done this.But then again,only less
>>>> than 1% versus the 99% who has liked what I've done.I
>>>> also want to publicly thank those who have returned kindness
>>>> to me by giving me freebies.It is muched appreciated.I have
>>>> gotten a few sikote-alin's which now has totalled 6.2
>>>> kilo's of 40 individuals.Agian thanks to all who has
>>>> benefitted from my givaways.It has been my pleasure to bring
>>>> a little sun into alot of peoples lives.
>>>>
>>>> Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ______________________________________________
>>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Fri Nov 21 04:01:45 2008
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:01:45 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Canada big meteor
In-Reply-To: <hchci4hobrh1e2jkmso8a31pteevoj4qes@4ax.com>
References: <200811210153.RAA02711@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
	<hchci4hobrh1e2jkmso8a31pteevoj4qes@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <001901c94bb7$c8802730$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>


Thoughts....

In the 20-years period from 1960 to 1980  20 meteorites were found in
Canada.   5 falls and 15 finds.

In the last 20 years, when meteorites underwent a popularization and people
got aware of them like never before,
there were found only 8 meteorites in Canada.  3 falls and 5 finds.

Accident or the result of Canadian meteorite policy?


In USA and Europe "amateurs" would try to narrow down and investigate such a
new possible fall. In Canada - I'm not so sure.......

Best!
Martin

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Darren
Garrison
Gesendet: Freitag, 21. November 2008 06:27
An: Meteorite Mailing List
Betreff: [meteorite-list] Canada big meteor

http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/story.html?id=e318f05d-0e09-4ec4-8d2a-5b
5e22fb7162

Massive fireball lights up night skies in Alta., Sask.
Laura Drake, Canwest News Service
Published: Thursday, November 20, 2008

EDMONTON - It wasn't a bird, and it sure as heck wasn't a plane, but
whatever
was in the sky over western Canada on Thursday night was very exciting for
the
people who saw it.

In Edmonton and across the Prairies, hundreds of people reported seeing a
bright
flaming object light up the sky around 5:30 p.m. local time. It was
variously
described as green, yellow, purple or blue, and appeared as either an
explosion
or an object streaking through the sky.

Sightings came from across the Prairies; from as far south as Medicine Hat,
Alta., to as far north as Beauval, Sask. - 600 kilometres from Edmonton.

Marcel Gobeil, who lives on a farm south of Edmonton, was in his living room
when he heard what he describes as a "loud boom," followed by bright
colourful
light in the sky.

"At first I thought it was fireworks," said Gobeil. "I've never seen
anything
like it; it was green and blue and then turned to bright red. It was pretty
big."

Gobeil said he thought the object hit the ground about 10 seconds later.

"It seemed like it fell on Beaumont, but it's more likely it landed in
Manitoba
or Saskatchewan if it was a meteorite," he said.

Hundreds of kilometres to the east, farmer Bruce Trapp also saw the light
show.

"It lit up the yard almost like midday, but just for an instant," said
Trapp,
who farms about 70 kilometres southwest of Saskatoon. "It was far brighter
than
any lightning strike I've ever seen."

Shawn Mitchler was pumping gas at Radisson, Sask., about 60 kilometres
northwest
of Saskatoon, when the sky flashed green and yellow.

"It seemed like fireworks or a missile coming down," said Mitchler, who
estimates the light show lasted five to 10 seconds.

"My heart just started racing because I didn't know what it was."

Edmonton International Airport spokesman Jim Rudolph said "the skies east of
the
airport lit up" at 5:27 p.m.

"According to NavCanada, it appears that this was the result of a meteorite,
but
that has not been confirmed," said Rudolph, adding that operations at the
airport were not affected.

"What we probably saw was a fireball, which is the result of a rock coming
into
the atmosphere," said Chris Herd, an associate professor in the University
of
Alberta's department of earth and atmospheric sciences and curator of the
university's meteorite collection.

"The big question now is whether or not anything hit the ground."

Richard Huziak, a member of the Royal Astronomical Society who lives in
Saskatoon, believes it was likely a meteor that did land somewhere near the
Alberta-Saskatchewan border.

It may be possible to determine a more precise location, since fireball
video
cameras designed to begin recording when a bright light appears in the sky
are
located in Saskatoon, Regina, Moose Jaw, Edmonton and Calgary.

"It's very likely this one has been caught. It will show the track through
the
sky and might show the orbit back into space," Huziak said.

But while many of the witnesses claimed to see something land, Herd said
this
was most likely an optical illusion. Since the fireball was a bright light
several kilometres up in a dark sky, it would have appeared close to anyone
who
could see it. If something did fall to the Earth, it's extremely unlikely
anyone
would have witnessed it, Herd said. As the object fell through the Earth's
atmosphere, it would slow down and the resulting decrease in friction would
cause it to stop burning.

"What we know about fireballs is that they're bright burning up for a
certain
amount of time in the atmosphere, but then they stop burning brightly. If
there's a rock that continues after that, it's falling in dark flight," he
said.

"This could literally be a couple of kilometres up in the air and it could
fall
the whole rest of the way without giving off any light. It could drop like a
rock to the ground."

Herd said while fireballs are quite frequent, they don't generally happen
over
populated areas.

"Something as bright as this is pretty rare," he said.

If something did ultimately hit the ground, Herd said, it would be a very
exciting find.

"It's not often that something actually lands and is found, because of all
the
factors that are working against you," he said, adding he hopes anyone who
finds
a new rock in their yard tomorrow will get in touch with him.

Meteorites often fall to Earth, but very few cause damage because the rocks
often disintegrate as they travel through the atmosphere.

For those who witnessed the fireball, Herd suggested they report it to the
Meteorites and Impacts Advisory Committee to the Canadian Space Agency,
which
can be found at Miac.uqac.ca.

Edmonton Journal

With files from Jamie Hall, Lana Haight, Saskatoon StarPhoenix

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm7tnc3sYog
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From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Fri Nov 21 04:53:50 2008
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:53:50 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Canada big meteor
In-Reply-To: <001901c94bb7$c8802730$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>
References: <200811210153.RAA02711@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov><hchci4hobrh1e2jkmso8a31pteevoj4qes@4ax.com>
	<001901c94bb7$c8802730$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>
Message-ID: <002001c94bbf$0ecad3a0$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>

Replying myself.....

Some more arguments, for that what I wrote to the Campo case ect....

Cause I'm an amateur only, here some statistics of scientists:

In the 5 years from the year 1996 to 2000, there where found in Libya:  
1084 meteorites.

Then the "hunters" stayed away, mostly cause it's to dangerous there.

So then in the 6 years from 2001 to 2007 were found not more than:
45 meteorites.


That's what we are risking and will face, if we allow our protectionist
longings to prevail.

Best!
Martin



-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Martin
Altmann
Gesendet: Freitag, 21. November 2008 10:02
An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Canada big meteor


Thoughts....

In the 20-years period from 1960 to 1980  20 meteorites were found in
Canada.   5 falls and 15 finds.

In the last 20 years, when meteorites underwent a popularization and people
got aware of them like never before,
there were found only 8 meteorites in Canada.  3 falls and 5 finds.

Accident or the result of Canadian meteorite policy?


In USA and Europe "amateurs" would try to narrow down and investigate such a
new possible fall. In Canada - I'm not so sure.......

Best!
Martin




From rockhoundm at abaconet.com.ar  Fri Nov 21 06:16:47 2008
From: rockhoundm at abaconet.com.ar (Eduardo.)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:16:47 -0300
Subject: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation
In-Reply-To: <CA54949625B045B18CD38DD96006ECAE@ASUS>
Message-ID: <B0000035418@webmail.abaco.net.ar>

That video was emited on open tv. I was not able to see it but was told
about it. It was in 2 parts (the video is only the 1st part)
Also was emited the telephone talk.
The TV reporter bought a Campo del Cielo to Eric and there is indeed a
judicial process going on:
http://www.elliberal.com.ar/secciones.php?nombre=home&file=ver&id_noticia=081121DQ3
click on the links under "relacionadas" to see more articles about this.
Eduardo

> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John.L.Cabassi" <John at Cabassi.net>
> To: "Eric Twelker" <twelker at alaska.net>; 
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 9:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation
> 
> 
> > G'Day List
> > You might find this interesting. It is in Spanish, but I think you'll
> get 
> > the idea...  Here's the link, courtesy of Larense.
> > http://www.tn.com.ar
> > In the search area (top right corner) type in Campo del Cielo and
> then 
> > click on the video. Pretty interesting regardless.  This could be the
> > reporter that's looking for Eric.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Johnno
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Eric Twelker" <twelker at alaska.net>
> > To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:55 PM
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation
> >
> >
> >> Hello List
> >>
> >> I thought this might be of some interest . . .  Today I was
> contacted  by 
> >> someone who identified herself as an Argentine TV reporter.  She 
> asked 
> >> questions about my sales of Campos and said I was under 
> investigation in 
> >> Argentina for violating their meteorite laws.  She  asked if I would
> come 
> >> to Argentina to answer the charges.  Having  never been to
> Argentina, I 
> >> suggested that I hadn't violated their  laws--and I certainly
> wouldn't 
> >> show up for their inquisition.  I'm  curious if others have had
> similar 
> >> experiences.
> >>
> >> Eric Twelker
> >> http://www.meteoritemarket.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ______________________________________________
> >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
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From rockhoundm at abaconet.com.ar  Fri Nov 21 06:46:29 2008
From: rockhoundm at abaconet.com.ar (Eduardo.)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:46:29 -0300
Subject: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation
In-Reply-To: <00ac01c94b69$372f0f10$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>
Message-ID: <B0000035420@webmail.abaco.net.ar>

Martin
The problem is not just a reporter calling, is that there is a judicial
process now.
And the new law is not to be considered as it is about NEW FINDS AND FALLS
only (December 2007).
The problem here is that ALL meteorites from Chaco province (including
Campo de Cielo) are protected by a provincial law since 1993. So only
Campo del Cielo meteorites that left the Chaco province before 1993 can be
legally sold.
Eduardo

-----Original Message-----
From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:39:21 +0100
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation


> Don't worry Eric, ignore. When came the new law into force? In January?
> They and not you have to prove, whether there was an illicit export and
> whether it happened this year.
> 
> Skol
> Martin
> 
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von
> bernd.pauli at paulinet.de
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. November 2008 23:57
> An: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation
> 
> Hello Eric and List,
> 
> "She asked if I would come to Argentina to answer the
> charges...I certainly wouldn't show up for their inquisition"
> 
> No such experiences here but the best you can do as a citizen
> of a free country is to simply ignore such b.s., sorry, nonsense.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Bernd
> 
> ______________________________________________
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From rockhoundm at abaconet.com.ar  Fri Nov 21 06:55:27 2008
From: rockhoundm at abaconet.com.ar (Eduardo.)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:55:27 -0300
Subject: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation
In-Reply-To: <527924.54897.qm@web45607.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B0000035423@webmail.abaco.net.ar>

The problem here is:
How many LEGAL exports of Campo del Cielo meteorites BEFORE 1993 were
done? Maybe a few of specimens to museums a long time ago, but I don't
know any one done to dealers.
If justice starts investigating deeply on this there will be a real
problem here for dealers and collectors
Eduardo

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Catterton <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:52:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation

> I would not worry about it, as a US resident you are covered under US
> law, and if Im not mistaken the grandfather laws will cover any exports
> prior to the ban taking effect. 
> It will be interesting to see how this effects the price of Campo
> meteorites.
> Glad I have stocked up long time ago on them.
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Thu, 11/20/08, John.L.Cabassi <John at Cabassi.net> wrote:
> 
> > From: John.L.Cabassi <John at Cabassi.net>
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation
> > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 9:49 PM
> > G'Day Jerry
> > That's what I thought also. I was paying more attention
> > to the websites and I thought that was Eric's site.
> > 
> > Cheers
> > Johnno
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry
> > Flaherty" <grf2 at verizon.net>
> > To: "John.L.Cabassi" <John at Cabassi.net>;
> > "Eric Twelker" <twelker at alaska.net>;
> > <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 6:46 PM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation
> > 
> > 
> > > thatr does look like Eric's web page
> > > ----- Original Message ----- From:
> > "John.L.Cabassi" <John at Cabassi.net>
> > > To: "Eric Twelker"
> > <twelker at alaska.net>;
> > <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 9:05 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo
> > Investigation
> > > 
> > > 
> > >> G'Day List
> > >> You might find this interesting. It is in Spanish,
> > but I think you'll get the idea...  Here's the link,
> > courtesy of Larense.
> > >> http://www.tn.com.ar
> > >> In the search area (top right corner) type in
> > Campo del Cielo and then click on the video. Pretty
> > interesting regardless.  This could be the reporter
> > that's looking for Eric.
> > >> 
> > >> Cheers
> > >> Johnno
> > >> 
> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric
> > Twelker" <twelker at alaska.net>
> > >> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > >> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:55 PM
> > >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo
> > Investigation
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >>> Hello List
> > >>> 
> > >>> I thought this might be of some interest . . .
> >  Today I was contacted by someone who identified herself as
> > an Argentine TV reporter.  She asked questions about my
> > sales of Campos and said I was under investigation in
> > Argentina for violating their meteorite laws.  She asked if
> > I would come to Argentina to answer the charges.  Having 
> > never been to Argentina, I suggested that I hadn't
> > violated their  laws--and I certainly wouldn't show up
> > for their inquisition.  I'm  curious if others have had
> > similar experiences.
> > >>> 
> > >>> Eric Twelker
> > >>> http://www.meteoritemarket.com
> > >>> 
> > >>> 
> > >>> 
> > >>> ______________________________________________
> > >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > >>> Meteorite-list mailing list
> > >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > >>>
> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> > >> 
> > >> ______________________________________________
> > >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > >> Meteorite-list mailing list
> > >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > >>
> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> > > 
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> > >
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> > 
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> 
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From nlehrman at nvbell.net  Fri Nov 21 07:25:05 2008
From: nlehrman at nvbell.net (Norm Lehrman)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:25:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation
In-Reply-To: <B0000035420@webmail.abaco.net.ar>
Message-ID: <793274.66689.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Eduardo,

Several years ago I was told that the Campo strewn field overlaps the boundary into an adjacent province (Santiago del Estero?) which at that time had no laws regulating export.  Hence, there was said to be a legal source outside of Chaco.

Is this incorrect?

Thanks,
Norm


--- On Fri, 11/21/08, Eduardo. <rockhoundm at abaconet.com.ar> wrote:

> From: Eduardo. <rockhoundm at abaconet.com.ar>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 3:46 AM
> Martin
> The problem is not just a reporter calling, is that there
> is a judicial
> process now.
> And the new law is not to be considered as it is about NEW
> FINDS AND FALLS
> only (December 2007).
> The problem here is that ALL meteorites from Chaco province
> (including
> Campo de Cielo) are protected by a provincial law since
> 1993. So only
> Campo del Cielo meteorites that left the Chaco province
> before 1993 can be
> legally sold.
> Eduardo
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Martin Altmann"
> <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:39:21 +0100
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation
> 
> 
> > Don't worry Eric, ignore. When came the new law
> into force? In January?
> > They and not you have to prove, whether there was an
> illicit export and
> > whether it happened this year.
> > 
> > Skol
> > Martin
> > 
> > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com]
> Im Auftrag von
> > bernd.pauli at paulinet.de
> > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. November 2008 23:57
> > An: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo
> Investigation
> > 
> > Hello Eric and List,
> > 
> > "She asked if I would come to Argentina to answer
> the
> > charges...I certainly wouldn't show up for their
> inquisition"
> > 
> > No such experiences here but the best you can do as a
> citizen
> > of a free country is to simply ignore such b.s.,
> sorry, nonsense.
> > 
> > Best,
> > 
> > Bernd
> > 
> > ______________________________________________
> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> > 
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> >
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From rockhoundm at abaconet.com.ar  Fri Nov 21 07:48:24 2008
From: rockhoundm at abaconet.com.ar (Eduardo.)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:48:24 -0300
Subject: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation
In-Reply-To: <793274.66689.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B0000035428@webmail.abaco.net.ar>

Norm
There is about 5% of the strewn field on Santiago del Estero province. Not
many samples were really recovered there. Of course the ones in my
collection are from Santiago del Estero. 
When you export mineral specimens from Argentina you have to declare
province of origin. If a dealer can not trace back a specimen to a legal
export of Campo del Cielo form Santiago del Estero province (or one from 
chaco before 1993), the problem still remains. Maybe Eric will get out of
problems saying who sells the specimens to him, but in one part of the
chain someone will be in trouble. 
The new law now covers ALL finds from Argentina, including newly recovered
campos from Santiago del Estero province.
Eduardo
-----Original Message-----
From: Norm Lehrman <nlehrman at nvbell.net>
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, "Eduardo."
<rockhoundm at abaconet.com.ar>
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:25:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation

> Eduardo,
> 
> Several years ago I was told that the Campo strewn field overlaps the
> boundary into an adjacent province (Santiago del Estero?) which at that
> time had no laws regulating export.  Hence, there was said to be a
> legal source outside of Chaco.
> 
> Is this incorrect?
> 
> Thanks,
> Norm
> 
> 
> --- On Fri, 11/21/08, Eduardo. <rockhoundm at abaconet.com.ar> wrote:
> 
> > From: Eduardo. <rockhoundm at abaconet.com.ar>
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation
> > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 3:46 AM
> > Martin
> > The problem is not just a reporter calling, is that there
> > is a judicial
> > process now.
> > And the new law is not to be considered as it is about NEW
> > FINDS AND FALLS
> > only (December 2007).
> > The problem here is that ALL meteorites from Chaco province
> > (including
> > Campo de Cielo) are protected by a provincial law since
> > 1993. So only
> > Campo del Cielo meteorites that left the Chaco province
> > before 1993 can be
> > legally sold.
> > Eduardo
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "Martin Altmann"
> > <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
> > To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:39:21 +0100
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation
> > 
> > 
> > > Don't worry Eric, ignore. When came the new law
> > into force? In January?
> > > They and not you have to prove, whether there was an
> > illicit export and
> > > whether it happened this year.
> > > 
> > > Skol
> > > Martin
> > > 
> > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> > > Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> > > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com]
> > Im Auftrag von
> > > bernd.pauli at paulinet.de
> > > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. November 2008 23:57
> > > An: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo
> > Investigation
> > > 
> > > Hello Eric and List,
> > > 
> > > "She asked if I would come to Argentina to answer
> > the
> > > charges...I certainly wouldn't show up for their
> > inquisition"
> > > 
> > > No such experiences here but the best you can do as a
> > citizen
> > > of a free country is to simply ignore such b.s.,
> > sorry, nonsense.
> > > 
> > > Best,
> > > 
> > > Bernd
> > > 
> > > ______________________________________________
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> > >
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> > > 
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> > >
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From nightsky55 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 09:09:05 2008
From: nightsky55 at gmail.com (Bob King)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:09:05 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] thanks for the freebies/and vise versa
In-Reply-To: <9b9ab51eb04f57ed3cf9a284dabdeba2.squirrel@webmail.concordia.ca>
References: <593198.9828.qm@web45604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<0C199972358A450DB18CDB46D898B70F@owner55652f88b>
	<BLU0-SMTP204E034C360EF48F38FD89B70F0@phx.gbl>
	<9b9ab51eb04f57ed3cf9a284dabdeba2.squirrel@webmail.concordia.ca>
Message-ID: <99c1e91a0811210609o401443a3l9501ceb90613f202@mail.gmail.com>

Steve,
My thanks too for the freebies you've sent. Not only have I enjoyed
them but so have the school kids and class students I've passed many
on to. We all appreciate your generosity.
Bob

On 11/21/08, dak_mar at alcor.concordia.ca <dak_mar at alcor.concordia.ca> wrote:
> I would like to add my voice to those who already answered and say "thank
> you" to Steve.
>
> Andre Bordeleau
>
> > I would like to thank Steve for the freebies he has send me.
> > Thanks again.
> >
> > Best to all,
> > Griff
> > Parker, Colorado
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kirk Jenks" <bandk at chorus.net>
> > To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; "steve arnold"
> > <stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com>; "Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!"
> > <steve_arnol60120 at yahoo.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 9:04 PM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] thanks for the freebies/and vise versa
> >
> >
> >> I'll second that one too! I have received MANY freebies from Steve, and
> >> I
> >> have always been very appreciated. His acts of kindness have been most
> >> appreciated! Thank you Steve!!
> >>                                    Best To All!!
> >>                                                 Kirk......:-)
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Greg Catterton" <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
> >> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> >> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 9:44 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] thanks for the freebies/and vise versa
> >>
> >>
> >>>I have recieved a few of your freebies and I would like to publicly
> >>> thank
> >>>you for them. It was very kind of you to offer these out to people.
> >>> The pieces you have sent me will remain in my collection and be enjoyed
> >>> by me and my children for many years to come.
> >>> Thanks!
> >>>
> >>> Greg
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- On Thu, 11/20/08, steve arnold <stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> From: steve arnold <stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com>
> >>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] thanks for the freebies/and vise versa
> >>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >>>> Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 10:38 PM
> >>>> Hi again list.I now can officially say,THE END!The freebies
> >>>> I have given away over the last 5 years have now come to a
> >>>> complete end.There is no more to give.I want to thank
> >>>> everyone who chimed in over the last 5 years.I hope I have
> >>>> made your collections,museum's and other local's a
> >>>> better place for scientific study or just for pure
> >>>> delight.It has been my pleasure to do this.Some of you have
> >>>> complained because I have done this.But then again,only less
> >>>> than 1% versus the 99% who has liked what I've done.I
> >>>> also want to publicly thank those who have returned kindness
> >>>> to me by giving me freebies.It is muched appreciated.I have
> >>>> gotten a few sikote-alin's which now has totalled 6.2
> >>>> kilo's of 40 individuals.Agian thanks to all who has
> >>>> benefitted from my givaways.It has been my pleasure to bring
> >>>> a little sun into alot of peoples lives.
> >>>>
> >>>> Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ______________________________________________
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From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 21 15:28:18 2008
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:28:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space Rocks Picture of the Day - November 21, 2008
In-Reply-To: <mailman.43.1227286875.4512.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <584246.2455.qm@web58403.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Space Rocks POD for November 21, 2008 is now posted. :)

http://www.glassthrower.com/pod.html

Enjoy!

Questions, comments or submissions - mike at galactic-stone.com

.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
..........................................................



      

From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 21 15:42:03 2008
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:42:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD : Trinitite Lots available and Trinitite
	Analysis Wanted
In-Reply-To: <mailman.43.1227286875.4512.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <591557.5222.qm@web58406.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi Folks!

I received another large batch of trinitite pieces and I am selling lots again.

1) 10 gram lot of pieces - $40
2) 20 gram lot of pieces - $60
3) 50 gram lot of pieces - $100

The pieces in this lot are a little bigger than the last batch, but
not by much.  In the last batch, the largest pieces were about
the size of nickel.  In this new batch, the largest is about the
size of a quarter - but most are 2-3 grams each, with some weighing
upwards to 4 or 4.5 grams each.

Photos available on request.  To inquire or order, contact me offlist
at mike at galactic-stone.com

...

On a sidenote, I am very curious if any of my buyers have access to a
lab (via work or school) to have this material definitively
analyzed.  My source is good, so I do not doubt the authenticity of
the material.  I am just very curious from an intellectual standpoint
as to what this stuff is made of.  I'd be especially interested in
hearing exactly which isotopes are present and what the exact level
of radioactivity is.  I have read much on the web about this material,
including an analysis - but the makeup of the material appears to
vary according to where it formed in relation to ground zero of the
blast.  So I want to know what is in my particular lots.

Regards and clear skies,

MikeG

.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
..........................................................



      

From abdelaziz_alhyane at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 21 16:01:22 2008
From: abdelaziz_alhyane at yahoo.com (Abdelaziz Alhyane)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:01:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD : NWA Material
Message-ID: <646092.66303.qm@web45401.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

 Hi List members,

Up for sale something new for excellent prices . off list
please at alhyane_abdelaziz at yahoo.com
Pics and prices on request.
Thanks
Aziz
 
 
Abdelaziz Alhyane
83500 Morocco
+21261655060



      


From abdelaziz_alhyane at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 21 16:07:36 2008
From: abdelaziz_alhyane at yahoo.com (Abdelaziz Alhyane)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:07:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Sorry
Message-ID: <177012.13213.qm@web45413.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Dear list members,
I apologize for the second ad posted to the list.

My best
Aziz




      


From mdavidhardy at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 21 16:17:41 2008
From: mdavidhardy at yahoo.com (David Hardy)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:17:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Trade Offer
Message-ID: <768596.38523.qm@web50202.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I have a 1.74 gram part slice of Claxton available for trade.  Looking for a good sized slice of Seymchan (non-pallasitic) or a slice of Glorieta Mountain (pallasite).  Will consider other offers.  Email off-list please if interested.

David Hardy


      

From bobadebt at ec.rr.com  Fri Nov 21 17:56:45 2008
From: bobadebt at ec.rr.com (David & Kitt Deyarmin)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:56:45 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD -  ZAG Sale - Large Slice $2 per Gram
Message-ID: <82FE5792531C4CA3A03F46F2D017C953@David>

I have 5 large slices that weigh between 55 to 66 grams

You can see them by clicking this

http://home.ec.rr.com/bobadebt/Rocks/FS%20Zag.htm

I would like to move these so I will offer them at $2 per gram and I will 
polish each slice up to 1000 grit which produces a super finish.

They will come with a provenance card

I also have 103 grams of fragments/crumbs that I will sell for $125

These would make awesome micromounts or some good money on ebay if you're 
patient.

If your interested in anything list please contact me off list at bobadebt 
at ec.rr.com

Thanks 


From carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 21 18:25:51 2008
From: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com (Carl 's)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:25:51 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] R: How do you say Dronino
Message-ID: <COL108-W8EB90BFDCF85AEFE8CFFB9B0F0@phx.gbl>


Hi,

Strange. I was curious as to how Dronino was pronounced as well. I'm not sure the original poster (Mike M.) got his answer but maybe I've missed it. Is it DRO' ni no? Sounds more German to me that way.

Also, how about Muonionalusta? Does mu onion a LUS ta sound correct?

Thanks! Carl

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From romanj at sympatico.ca  Fri Nov 21 19:02:28 2008
From: romanj at sympatico.ca (Roman)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:02:28 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation
References: <B0000035418@webmail.abaco.net.ar>
Message-ID: <007301c94c35$9ba48d40$6400a8c0@compaqsdg7ojf0>

Can someone translate the article at this link and post to the list?

http://www.elliberal.com.ar/secciones.php?nombre=home&file=ver&id_noticia=081121CJI&seccion=Santiago

Thank you.

Roman Jirasek
www.meteoritelabels.com



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eduardo." <rockhoundm at abaconet.com.ar>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 6:16 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation


> That video was emited on open tv. I was not able to see it but was told
> about it. It was in 2 parts (the video is only the 1st part)
> Also was emited the telephone talk.
> The TV reporter bought a Campo del Cielo to Eric and there is indeed a
> judicial process going on:
> http://www.elliberal.com.ar/secciones.php?nombre=home&file=ver&id_noticia=081121DQ3
> click on the links under "relacionadas" to see more articles about this.
> Eduardo
>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "John.L.Cabassi" <John at Cabassi.net>
>> To: "Eric Twelker" <twelker at alaska.net>;
>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 9:05 PM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation
>>
>>
>> > G'Day List
>> > You might find this interesting. It is in Spanish, but I think you'll
>> get
>> > the idea...  Here's the link, courtesy of Larense.
>> > http://www.tn.com.ar
>> > In the search area (top right corner) type in Campo del Cielo and
>> then
>> > click on the video. Pretty interesting regardless.  This could be the
>> > reporter that's looking for Eric.
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> > Johnno
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "Eric Twelker" <twelker at alaska.net>
>> > To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:55 PM
>> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation
>> >
>> >
>> >> Hello List
>> >>
>> >> I thought this might be of some interest . . .  Today I was
>> contacted  by
>> >> someone who identified herself as an Argentine TV reporter.  She
>> asked
>> >> questions about my sales of Campos and said I was under
>> investigation in
>> >> Argentina for violating their meteorite laws.  She  asked if I would
>> come
>> >> to Argentina to answer the charges.  Having  never been to
>> Argentina, I
>> >> suggested that I hadn't violated their  laws--and I certainly
>> wouldn't
>> >> show up for their inquisition.  I'm  curious if others have had
>> similar
>> >> experiences.
>> >>
>> >> Eric Twelker
>> >> http://www.meteoritemarket.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ______________________________________________
>> >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> >> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>> >
>> > ______________________________________________
>> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> > Meteorite-list mailing list
>> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
>> ______________________________________________
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From geoking at notkin.net  Fri Nov 21 19:10:53 2008
From: geoking at notkin.net (Notkin)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:10:53 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] [AD] On eBay: "Meteorite" mag, Campo with hole,
	Taza shield, etc.
Message-ID: <007654C4-0DAC-4438-A723-2508EC8EFBF5@notkin.net>

Dear Listees:

Friday greetings from the Old Pueblo.

We currently have a fun selection of meteorites, impactites, books,  
and magazines running on eBay. All auctions are NO RESERVE, and will  
close this coming Sunday evening.


Of particular interest is a highly oriented Taza shield with 100%  
complete and perfect rollover lip. Check out the extra photos. It's  
really something:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160298749013


A gorgeous Campo del Cielo iron, 209 grams, with extremely rare  
natural hole:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160298760324


A very desirable out-of-print copy of "Meteorite" magazine, February  
2002 issue, in mint condition, with articles by Beech, Kichinka,  
Notkin, Pinter and many more:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160298774445


A massive six-pound shatter cone from the newly discovered Santa Fe  
Crater. Current bid is just five bucks! A dollar a pound -- those are  
Nininger-era prices  : )

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170279342740


A very lovely complete Gibeon crystal, 61.4 grams:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170279309237



Also on the block: Allende, Libyan Desert Glass, Kem Kem, Moon and  
Mars boxes, an historic Draeger-Nininger Odessa, Darwin Glass and  
more. Several are still at just 99 cents.


Everything up for auction can be seen here:

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQsassZaerolitemeteorites



Instant recap with photos live and direct from the domain of web  
impresario Paul Harris:

http://www.meteorite.com/meteorite-dealers/dealer-listings/aerolite.htm


Thanks for looking, enjoy the weekend,

Geoff N.

www.aerolite.org
www.campometeorites.com

Tucson, AZ
Meteorite Capital of the World

From geoking at notkin.net  Fri Nov 21 19:41:28 2008
From: geoking at notkin.net (Notkin)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:41:28 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] [AD] On eBay: "Meteorite" mag, Campo with hole,
	Taza shield, etc.
Message-ID: <01A167A4-E0F9-4A7F-80F2-8267662986CB@notkin.net>

Dear Listees:

Friday greetings from the Old Pueblo.

We currently have a fun selection of meteorites, impactites, books,  
and magazines running on eBay. All auctions are NO RESERVE, and will  
close this coming Sunday evening.


Of particular interest is a highly oriented Taza shield with 100%  
complete and perfect rollover lip. Check out the extra photos. It's  
really something:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160298749013


A gorgeous Campo del Cielo iron, 209 grams, with extremely rare  
natural hole:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160298760324


A very desirable out-of-print copy of "Meteorite" magazine, February  
2002 issue, in mint condition, with articles by Beech, Kichinka,  
Notkin, Pinter and many more:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160298774445


A massive six-pound shatter cone from the newly discovered Santa Fe  
Crater. Current bid is just five bucks! A dollar a pound -- those are  
Nininger-era prices  : )

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170279342740


A very lovely complete Gibeon crystal, 61.4 grams:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170279309237



Also on the block: Allende, Libyan Desert Glass, Kem Kem, Moon and  
Mars boxes, an historic Draeger-Nininger Odessa, Darwin Glass and  
more. Several are still at just 99 cents.


Everything up for auction can be seen here:

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQsassZaerolitemeteorites



Instant recap with photos live and direct from the domain of web  
impresario Paul Harris:

http://www.meteorite.com/meteorite-dealers/dealer-listings/aerolite.htm


Thanks for looking, enjoy the weekend,

Geoff N.

www.aerolite.org
www.campometeorites.com

Tucson, AZ
Meteorite Capital of the World

From geoking at notkin.net  Fri Nov 21 20:26:03 2008
From: geoking at notkin.net (Notkin)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:26:03 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Whoops!
Message-ID: <5F6F2925-099C-4CED-9FE0-FEF376F8B44E@notkin.net>

Sorry for the double post. I thought the first one was formatted as  
Rich Text and hadn't gone through.

To make up for it, how's this:


"Where does an astronaut leave his car?''

"At a parking meteor, of course!"


Sorry about that, it is Friday night in Tucson  : )


Geoff N.

www.aerolite.org
www.campometeorites.com

From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 21 21:03:46 2008
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:03:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation
In-Reply-To: <007301c94c35$9ba48d40$6400a8c0@compaqsdg7ojf0>
Message-ID: <595395.76230.qm@web45607.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Try 
http://translate.google.com/
it works well and is pretty fast.

Greg


--- On Fri, 11/21/08, Roman <romanj at sympatico.ca> wrote:

> From: Roman <romanj at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation
> To: "Eduardo." <rockhoundm at abaconet.com.ar>, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 7:02 PM
> Can someone translate the article at this link and post to
> the list?
> 
> http://www.elliberal.com.ar/secciones.php?nombre=home&file=ver&id_noticia=081121CJI&seccion=Santiago
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Roman Jirasek
> www.meteoritelabels.com
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eduardo."
> <rockhoundm at abaconet.com.ar>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 6:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation
> 
> 
> > That video was emited on open tv. I was not able to
> see it but was told
> > about it. It was in 2 parts (the video is only the 1st
> part)
> > Also was emited the telephone talk.
> > The TV reporter bought a Campo del Cielo to Eric and
> there is indeed a
> > judicial process going on:
> >
> http://www.elliberal.com.ar/secciones.php?nombre=home&file=ver&id_noticia=081121DQ3
> > click on the links under "relacionadas" to
> see more articles about this.
> > Eduardo
> > 
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From:
> "John.L.Cabassi" <John at Cabassi.net>
> >> To: "Eric Twelker"
> <twelker at alaska.net>;
> >> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> >> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 9:05 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo
> Investigation
> >> 
> >> 
> >> > G'Day List
> >> > You might find this interesting. It is in
> Spanish, but I think you'll
> >> get
> >> > the idea...  Here's the link, courtesy of
> Larense.
> >> > http://www.tn.com.ar
> >> > In the search area (top right corner) type in
> Campo del Cielo and
> >> then
> >> > click on the video. Pretty interesting
> regardless.  This could be the
> >> > reporter that's looking for Eric.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers
> >> > Johnno
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > From:
> "Eric Twelker" <twelker at alaska.net>
> >> > To:
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> >> > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:55 PM
> >> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo
> Investigation
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Hello List
> >> >>
> >> >> I thought this might be of some interest
> . . .  Today I was
> >> contacted  by
> >> >> someone who identified herself as an
> Argentine TV reporter.  She
> >> asked
> >> >> questions about my sales of Campos and
> said I was under
> >> investigation in
> >> >> Argentina for violating their meteorite
> laws.  She  asked if I would
> >> come
> >> >> to Argentina to answer the charges. 
> Having  never been to
> >> Argentina, I
> >> >> suggested that I hadn't violated
> their  laws--and I certainly
> >> wouldn't
> >> >> show up for their inquisition.  I'm 
> curious if others have had
> >> similar
> >> >> experiences.
> >> >>
> >> >> Eric Twelker
> >> >> http://www.meteoritemarket.com
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> ______________________________________________
> >> >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> >> >> Meteorite-list mailing list
> >> >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >> >>
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >> >
> >> >
> ______________________________________________
> >> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> >> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> >> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >> >
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >> 
> >> ______________________________________________
> >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> >> Meteorite-list mailing list
> >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >>
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> > 
> > ______________________________________________
> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list 
> 
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list


      


From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 21 22:03:13 2008
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:03:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Issue
In-Reply-To: <mailman.43.1227286875.4512.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <182499.93229.qm@web58401.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi List,

I am troubled to hear about this development and I feel bad that Eric
has been singled out by the authorities.  My question is, how does
this differ from Gibeon.  We didn't see Namibia going after people
overseas for selling on the internet.  No offense to Argentina, but
don't they have bigger things to worry about?  I can see busting some
exporter red-handed in Argentina trying to smuggle out tons of Campo,
but going after sellers on the internet who have never been to
Argentina?  Frankly, I don't see how Argentina can compel citizens of
other nations to stop selling a commodity that is available on the
global market.  This isn't cocaine or nuclear material we are talking
about, it's Campo meteorites for crying out loud. Canyon Diablo is
a good parallel here.  It's illegal to prospect for meteorites
around the crater in Arizona, but the market is swollen with Diablo
irons.  How does one determine which iron was legally prospected and
which was not?  If the US justice authorities cannot or will not
tackle that similar issue, then I seriously doubt the Argentines are
going to sic Interpol on US eBay dealers or send Special Forces
snatch teams to Tucson to grab dealers and whisk them back to
Argentina for trial and flogging.  It's patently absurd.  But I feel
badly for Eric and whoever else this tragic-comic farce is going to
effect adversely.  

So my burning question is, how worried does the average collector or kitchen-table dealer need to be?  Should I stop offering Campos for
sale/trade to others online?

Regards and clear skies,

MikeG
 

.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
..........................................................



      

From mqfowler at mac.com  Fri Nov 21 22:28:40 2008
From: mqfowler at mac.com (Michael Fowler)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:28:40 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list]  Argentine Campo Issue
Message-ID: <B267DFD6-2567-4B31-9865-D9B79B144F1A@mac.com>

Considering that Argentina is the country that just nationalized  
(confiscated) the private pension plans of its citizens, I wouldn't  
put too much faith in their judicial system.

Mike Fowler
Chicago


> Hi List,
>
> I am troubled to hear about this development and I feel bad that Eric
> has been singled out by the authorities. My question is, how does
> this differ from Gibeon. We didn't see Namibia going after people
> overseas for selling on the internet. No offense to Argentina, but
> don't they have bigger things to worry about? I can see busting some
> exporter red-handed in Argentina trying to smuggle out tons of Campo,
> but going after sellers on the internet who have never been to
> Argentina? Frankly, I don't see how Argentina can compel citizens of
> other nations to stop selling a commodity that is available on the
> global market. This isn't cocaine or nuclear material we are talking
> about, it's Campo meteorites for crying out loud. Canyon Diablo is
> a good parallel here. It's illegal to prospect for meteorites
> around the crater in Arizona, but the market is swollen with Diablo
> irons. How does one determine which iron was legally prospected and
> which was not? If the US justice authorities cannot or will not
> tackle that similar issue, then I seriously doubt the Argentines are
> going to sic Interpol on US eBay dealers or send Special Forces
> snatch teams to Tucson to grab dealers and whisk them back to
> Argentina for trial and flogging. It's patently absurd. But I feel
> badly for Eric and whoever else this tragic-comic farce is going to
> effect adversely.
>
> So my burning question is, how worried does the average collector or  
> kitchen-table dealer need to be? Should I stop offering Campos for
> sale/trade to others online?
>
> Regards and clear skies,
>
> MikeG

From cynapse at charter.net  Fri Nov 21 23:24:58 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:24:58 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Canada big meteor
In-Reply-To: <hchci4hobrh1e2jkmso8a31pteevoj4qes@4ax.com>
References: <200811210153.RAA02711@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
	<hchci4hobrh1e2jkmso8a31pteevoj4qes@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <la2fi4l945akkbnbg16m0bv3t3ebh9iimc@4ax.com>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNmcf4Y3lGM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_2aX-784sw

From midwest at meteorman.org  Fri Nov 21 23:41:26 2008
From: midwest at meteorman.org (Timothy Heitz)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:41:26 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Canada big meteor
References: <200811210153.RAA02711@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov><hchci4hobrh1e2jkmso8a31pteevoj4qes@4ax.com>
	<la2fi4l945akkbnbg16m0bv3t3ebh9iimc@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <447EFCA1ED544400B6F530DA0F978001@den>

Going to miss the granite counter top and SS  

Its a HOOT









----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darren Garrison" <cynapse at charter.net>
To: "Meteorite Mailing List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Canada big meteor


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNmcf4Y3lGM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_2aX-784sw
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From cynapse at charter.net  Fri Nov 21 23:46:06 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:46:06 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Canada big meteor
In-Reply-To: <447EFCA1ED544400B6F530DA0F978001@den>
References: <200811210153.RAA02711@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov><hchci4hobrh1e2jkmso8a31pteevoj4qes@4ax.com>
	<la2fi4l945akkbnbg16m0bv3t3ebh9iimc@4ax.com>
	<447EFCA1ED544400B6F530DA0F978001@den>
Message-ID: <7d3fi4pvv0pqor6e2tnr190cv854bq3e8e@4ax.com>

On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:41:26 -0600, you wrote:

>Going to miss the granite counter top and SS  
>
>Its a HOOT

Huh?  The two links I meant to post were both footage of the Canadian bolide
last night-- from the comment, sounds like the Hitler one was still in the
clipboard.

This is what that first link was supposed to be:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSL3b6bCR7s&feature=related

From deanbessey at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 21 23:56:57 2008
From: deanbessey at yahoo.com (dean bessey)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:56:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Canada big meteor
In-Reply-To: <7d3fi4pvv0pqor6e2tnr190cv854bq3e8e@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <955084.25494.qm@web56107.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

About an hour ago I was talking to my father (I use free skype and we chat every day). He is now working up north in Alberta and he was all excited when he called me. He told me that he saw a flaming fireball that he figured was about a mile long and when it hit the ground there was a big flash of light like an explosion. Afterward he herd on the news that it was a meteorite and that people were out looking for it.
Cheers
DEAN



--- On Fri, 11/21/08, Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net> wrote:

> From: Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Canada big meteor
> To: "Meteorite Mailing List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 8:46 PM
> On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:41:26 -0600, you wrote:
> 
> >Going to miss the granite counter top and SS  
> >
> >Its a HOOT
> 
> Huh?  The two links I meant to post were both footage of
> the Canadian bolide
> last night-- from the comment, sounds like the Hitler one
> was still in the
> clipboard.
> 
> This is what that first link was supposed to be:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSL3b6bCR7s&feature=related
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From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 22 10:46:29 2008
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 07:46:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] What the heck is it and why?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.43.1227286875.4512.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <993969.33524.qm@web58401.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi List!

I ran across these oddball "meteorite" auctions on eBay this morning
and I am confused.  What the heck are these?  It looks like some
gravel and plastic toys in a gem jar.  

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320319577872

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320319577831

First, why are they so expensive?  Is the gravel in the jar some kind
of rare type?  Are they Weston or Ensisheim crumbs? (LOL)

Second, someone better email this guy and tell him that Chile has
forbidden further export of plastic herbivore figurines and that
he is under investigation for selling forbidden plastic quadrupeds.

Regards,

MikeG


.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
..........................................................


      

From cynapse at charter.net  Sat Nov 22 11:10:29 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:10:29 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Smacked by gob
In-Reply-To: <B267DFD6-2567-4B31-9865-D9B79B144F1A@mac.com>
References: <B267DFD6-2567-4B31-9865-D9B79B144F1A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <5mbgi452911vk9gi82hueeaa6oqgvirj77@4ax.com>

http://www.theage.com.au/national/googling-geologist-identifies-possible-meteorite-crater-out-the-back-of-bourke-20081122-6eix.html

Googling geologist identifies possible meteorite crater out the back of Bourke

    * Richard Macey
    * November 23, 2008

A RETIRED geologist searching on Google Earth for a place to mine opals may have
discovered something much bigger: a meteorite crater in outback NSW.

Mike Fry, of Maryborough in central Victoria, was using the Google site last
month to survey terrain when he saw an unusual structure in the red dust.

"The circular nature of this thing struck me," Mr Fry said. "It was so
distinctive, I was gobsmacked."

Mr Fry, who earned a degree in geology from the University of New Mexico before
coming to Australia 44 years ago to mine opals and gold, drove for 11 hours to
the site to take a look. The site is about 10 kilometres north-east of White
Cliffs, a town halfway between Broken Hill and Bourke in far north-western NSW.

"I have walked around it," he said, estimating his "crater" was at least two
kilometres across. "There is a steep slope on the eastern side, which rises 30
to 50 metres above the floor."

The western rim was severely eroded. However, the eastern side had been
preserved under a layer of sedimentary material called silcrete, formed from
dissolved silica, that he believes was laid down more than 2 million years ago.

"Silcrete is as hard as concrete," Mr Fry said. "The crater had to exist before
the silcrete was laid down."

Several scientists who looked at the images agreed that while circular shapes
could be produced by many geological forces, including volcanic activity, the
feature deserved further investigation.

"It does look the right sort of shape," said Andy Tomkins, of Monash University.
"It is the pattern you would expect to see. It looks interesting."

Peter Haines, a senior geologist with the Geological Survey of Western
Australia, said he would remain "a bit sceptical" until the site was tested.

However, he added, "just looking at it, it's something that should be followed
up".

Dr Tomkins and Dr Haines said finding microscopic evidence of rock that had
suffered a severe shock would indicate an impact crater.

If Mr Fry has found an impact crater, it would be the second such discovery
using Google Earth.

Last year Dr Arthur Hickman, a geologist with the Geological Survey of WA, found
a crater, about 260 metres wide and up to 30 metres deep, in the Hamersley
Ranges in WA's Pilbara region.

Dr Haines said it was certainly possible a two-kilometre meteorite crater had
gone unnoticed. "It is not something that would necessarily attract the
attention of someone who was not already thinking about a crater." A crater,
agreed Dr Tomkins, "could easily be missed".

From MeteorHntr at aol.com  Sat Nov 22 11:41:34 2008
From: MeteorHntr at aol.com (MeteorHntr at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:41:34 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] Bob Haag in the News
Message-ID: <d45.354a076f.3659903e@aol.com>

Not sure if this was posted, but Bob got  mentioned in this  story:

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=9453ad78-e1e0-4e74-a50e-
ddd770048a80

Steve  #1  

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From MeteorHntr at aol.com  Sat Nov 22 11:49:12 2008
From: MeteorHntr at aol.com (MeteorHntr at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:49:12 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] Bob Haag in the News
Message-ID: <cdc.3d7ab605.36599208@aol.com>

List,

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=9453ad78-e1e0-4e74-a50e-
ddd770048a80


Actually,  this story is a VERY good story, not just because our favorite 
hero Bob Haag is  mentioned.  

This reporter actually got the story right on so many  points that few other 
reporters seldom do.

It is nice to see that the  Canadian institutions are more than willing to 
pay retail for the meteorites  found by meteorite hunters.  

I wish every country would have grant  money and institutions willing and 
eager to pay fair-market value for meteorites  found in their country.  

Great story.  

Maybe this  reporter needs to be nominated for a Harvey Award?

Steve #1  

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From John at Cabassi.net  Sat Nov 22 12:00:35 2008
From: John at Cabassi.net (John.L.Cabassi)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:00:35 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Bob Haag in the News
References: <cdc.3d7ab605.36599208@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001201c94cc3$d863e990$4564fea9@TITAN>

G'Day Steve
I hope you don't mind, I fixed your link. It wasn't operating too well.

Cheers
Johnno

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=9453ad78-e1e0-4e74-a50e-ddd770048a80

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <MeteorHntr at aol.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bob Haag in the News


> List,
>
> http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=9453ad78-e1e0-4e74-a50e-
> ddd770048a80
>
>
> Actually,  this story is a VERY good story, not just because our favorite
> hero Bob Haag is  mentioned.
>
> This reporter actually got the story right on so many  points that few 
> other
> reporters seldom do.
>
> It is nice to see that the  Canadian institutions are more than willing to
> pay retail for the meteorites  found by meteorite hunters.
>
> I wish every country would have grant  money and institutions willing and
> eager to pay fair-market value for meteorites  found in their country.
>
> Great story.
>
> Maybe this  reporter needs to be nominated for a Harvey Award?
>
> Steve #1
>
> **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social 
> networks,
> and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com
> today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp
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From m42protosun at aol.com  Sat Nov 22 13:28:26 2008
From: m42protosun at aol.com (m42protosun at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:28:26 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation COMPUTER
 TRANSLATION TO ENGLISH
In-Reply-To: <007301c94c35$9ba48d40$6400a8c0@compaqsdg7ojf0>
References: <B0000035418@webmail.abaco.net.ar>
	<007301c94c35$9ba48d40$6400a8c0@compaqsdg7ojf0>
Message-ID: <8CB1AE73E647C72-9B0-6A@WEBMAIL-MB06.sysops.aol.com>

Hi list  This is a PROMT-Translation

Meteorites: the geologist Eric Twelker refuses to declare for the sale 
in Internet. Investigation. The situation of the supposed trafficker of 
meteorites, Eric Twelker, would be complicated after a report that 
spread yesterday evening in Channel 13. Internet might be a tool that 
turns in against the meteorites traffickers. The fact is that this way 
for which there trade illegally the millennial asteroids extracted from 
Nunchaku and Santiago, is the route that the justice thinks to use to 
take declaration declaration, in case they refuse to come to the 
country to give testimony. The topic of the illegal sale of meteorites 
recovered validity in the last ones after ?Telenoche Investiga?, 
program that expresses for Channel 13, was expressing yesterday evening 
a journalistic report on the illegal sale of meteorites, which took as 
a protagonist Eric Twelker, the North American geologist who was 
discovered by THE LIBERAL. The Justice santiague?a had already 
initiated an investigation after the publication realized by THE 
LIBERAL, to define if one was incurring a crime. The Twelker situation 
seems to be complicated now, after that the Channel production 13, to 
verify the illegal movement of these historical pieces ? that for law 
there are a patrimony of the State ? will buy to him a meteorite 
santiague?o on his web page. Judicial sources indicated yesterday to 
this 
newspaper, before the report was expressing for Channel 13, which 
of the sale was verified publicly, might accelerate the steps to quote 
Eric Twelker. Since it is presumed that it is very difficult that it 
comes, the alternative is already in folder, and it is to ask for a 
formal declaration across Internet, using the system of digital 
signature, on which there is already jurisprudence. But before 
oficialice the declaration order, the Twelker position stayed already 
to the overdraft yesterday evening, when there spread in the national 
television a telephone conversation in which it admitted that it sells 
the field meteorites of the Sky, but that it was never in the 
Argentina. ?I he bought them to the people who is going to Argentina to 
gather them in the place ? said Twelker in his telephone declarations ? 
and then it bandaged them to museums and to different parts?. He said 
that the meteorites traffic ?is a slightly dark topic? and made sure 
that he ?prefers to stay removed from that?. To the question if it 
would come to the Argentina, to declare for the sale of meteorites, he 
answered with a not round one.

Regards Uwe
-----Urspr?ngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Roman <romanj at sympatico.ca>
An: Eduardo. <rockhoundm at abaconet.com.ar>; 
meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Verschickt: Sa., 22. Nov. 2008, 1:02
Thema: Re: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation


Can someone trans
late the article at this link and post to the list??
?
http://www.elliberal.com.ar/secciones.php?nombre=home&file=ver&id_noticia=081121CJI&seccion=Santiago?
?
Thank you.?
?
Roman Jirasek?
www.meteoritelabels.com?
?
?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Eduardo." 
<rockhoundm at abaconet.com.ar>?
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>?
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 6:16 AM?
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation?
?
> That video was emited on open tv. I was not able to see it but was 
told?
> about it. It was in 2 parts (the video is only the 1st part)?
> Also was emited the telephone talk.?
> The TV reporter bought a Campo del Cielo to Eric and there is indeed 
a?
> judicial process going on:?
> 
http://www.elliberal.com.ar/secciones.php?nombre=home&file=ver&id_noticia=081121DQ3?
> click on the links under "relacionadas" to see more articles about 
this.?
> Eduardo?
>?
>> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John.L.Cabassi" 
<John at Cabassi.net>?
>> To: "Eric Twelker" <twelker at alaska.net>;?
>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>?
>> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 9:05 PM?
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation?
>>?
>>?
>> > G'Day List?
>> > You might find this interesting. It is in Spanish, but I think 
you'll?
>> get?
>> > the idea... Here's the link, courtesy of Larense.?=0
D
>> > http://www.tn.com.ar?
>> > In the search area (top right corner) type in Campo del Cielo and?
>> then?
>> > click on the video. Pretty interesting regardless. This could be 
the?
>> > reporter that's looking for Eric.?
>> >?
>> > Cheers?
>> > Johnno?
>> >?
>> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Eric Twelker" 
<twelker at alaska.net>?
>> > To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>?
>> > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:55 PM?
>> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation?
>> >?
>> >?
>> >> Hello List?
>> >>?
>> >> I thought this might be of some interest . . . Today I was?
>> contacted by?
>> >> someone who identified herself as an Argentine TV reporter. She?
>> asked?
>> >> questions about my sales of Campos and said I was under?
>> investigation in?
>> >> Argentina for violating their meteorite laws. She asked if I 
would?
>> come?
>> >> to Argentina to answer the charges. Having never been to?
>> Argentina, I?
>> >> suggested that I hadn't violated their laws--and I certainly?
>> wouldn't?
>> >> show up for their inquisition. I'm curious if others have had?
>> similar?
>> >> experiences.?
>> >>?
>> >> Eric Twelker?
>> >> http://www.meteoritemarket.com?
>> >>?
>> >>?
>> >>?
>> >> ______________________________________________?
>
> >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com?
>> >> Meteorite-list mailing list?
>> >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com?
>> >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list?
>> >?
>> > ______________________________________________?
>> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com?
>> > Meteorite-list mailing list?
>> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com?
>> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list?
>>?
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>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com?
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list?
>?
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> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ?
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From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 22 15:32:15 2008
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 12:32:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space Rocks Picture of the Day - November 22, 2008
In-Reply-To: <mailman.31.1227373256.9296.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <885599.70058.qm@web58403.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


Space Rocks POD for 11-22-2008 - http://www.glassthrower.com/pod.html

Enjoy!


.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
..........................................................




      

From p.marmet at sunrise.ch  Sat Nov 22 16:16:03 2008
From: p.marmet at sunrise.ch (Peter Marmet)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 22:16:03 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - ebay auctions: Rare historic meteorites from
	my personal collection
Message-ID: <871799a20811221316t57e0bce6v8dc9831d49da2b45@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

I have 14 ebay auctions ending in about one day.

Historic meteorites from my personal collection:
Tabor (0.126g), Ramsdorf (0.115 g), St.Germain-du-Pinel (0.035 g),
Albareto (0.148 g), Milena (0.261 g), Zavid (B.&H.), Twannberg
(Switzerland), Vigarano, Pohlitz (Germany), St.Denis Westrem
(Belgium), Tomakovka, Zvonkov,...


 http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZpema9


Thank you,
Peter

Peter Marmet
Bern, Switzerland
IMCA #2747
p.marmet at mysunrise.ch
http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/
ebay: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZpema9

From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Sat Nov 22 18:33:17 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 22 Nov 2008 23:33:17 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Bob Haag in the News
Message-ID: <DIIE.000000A3000035C0@paulinet.de>

Hi Steve #1 and List,

"This reporter actually got the story right on so many points that few other reporters seldom do."

I agree, Hanneke Brooymans, surely did his homework diligently!
And he he must have gotten into contact with and have studied this
background info meticulously:

1) Bob Haag's Field Guides of Meteorites:
    - 1991, page 14
    - 1997, page 14

2) The Tucson EZ-Guide 2008, pp. 28-29

3) Kelly Beatty (1993) Rock Star (Sky & Telescope, July 1993, pp. 18-24)

Best,

Bernd


From paul at meteorite.com  Sat Nov 22 22:21:49 2008
From: paul at meteorite.com (Paul Harris)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:21:49 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Discovery.com Ancient N.Y. Tsunami?
Message-ID: <4928CC4D.4020001@meteorite.com>

Dear List,
Anne is having problems posting to the list and asked me to forward for her.


Did Asteroid Cause Ancient N.Y. Tsunami?
From: Anne Black impactika at aol.com


Hi, Anne Black
A friend of yours, Kevin Decker just asked us to pass this along to you.
Here's the link at Discovery.com that they thought you'd be interested in 
seeing.
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/11/20/asteroid-tsunami.html
They also included a message for you:
"Hi Anne..heres the original link..ty!"
We hope you'll stop by Discovery.com ... and that you'll enjoy the feature that 
your friend chose for you!
                


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From pshugar at clearwire.net  Sat Nov 22 22:50:54 2008
From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 21:50:54 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Smacked by gob
References: <B267DFD6-2567-4B31-9865-D9B79B144F1A@mac.com>
	<5mbgi452911vk9gi82hueeaa6oqgvirj77@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <9FD02F307C8445A89AC52875B30EDAC9@laptop>

At the risk of going soooo  faaaar off topic as to never be able to find my 
way back,
I ask the following:
I readily admit that it sometimes does not take much to amuse me, but I find 
that
the word Gobsmacked as probably one of the single most facinating words to 
ever
appear on the internet. Please define.........
Pete

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darren Garrison" <cynapse at charter.net>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 10:10 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Smacked by gob


> http://www.theage.com.au/national/googling-geologist-identifies-possible-meteorite-crater-out-the-back-of-bourke-20081122-6eix.html
>
> Googling geologist identifies possible meteorite crater out the back of 
> Bourke
>
>    * Richard Macey
>    * November 23, 2008
>
> A RETIRED geologist searching on Google Earth for a place to mine opals 
> may have
> discovered something much bigger: a meteorite crater in outback NSW.
>
> Mike Fry, of Maryborough in central Victoria, was using the Google site 
> last
> month to survey terrain when he saw an unusual structure in the red dust.
>
> "The circular nature of this thing struck me," Mr Fry said. "It was so
> distinctive, I was gobsmacked."
>
> Mr Fry, who earned a degree in geology from the University of New Mexico 
> before
> coming to Australia 44 years ago to mine opals and gold, drove for 11 
> hours to
> the site to take a look. The site is about 10 kilometres north-east of 
> White
> Cliffs, a town halfway between Broken Hill and Bourke in far north-western 
> NSW.
>
> "I have walked around it," he said, estimating his "crater" was at least 
> two
> kilometres across. "There is a steep slope on the eastern side, which 
> rises 30
> to 50 metres above the floor."
>
> The western rim was severely eroded. However, the eastern side had been
> preserved under a layer of sedimentary material called silcrete, formed 
> from
> dissolved silica, that he believes was laid down more than 2 million years 
> ago.
>
> "Silcrete is as hard as concrete," Mr Fry said. "The crater had to exist 
> before
> the silcrete was laid down."
>
> Several scientists who looked at the images agreed that while circular 
> shapes
> could be produced by many geological forces, including volcanic activity, 
> the
> feature deserved further investigation.
>
> "It does look the right sort of shape," said Andy Tomkins, of Monash 
> University.
> "It is the pattern you would expect to see. It looks interesting."
>
> Peter Haines, a senior geologist with the Geological Survey of Western
> Australia, said he would remain "a bit sceptical" until the site was 
> tested.
>
> However, he added, "just looking at it, it's something that should be 
> followed
> up".
>
> Dr Tomkins and Dr Haines said finding microscopic evidence of rock that 
> had
> suffered a severe shock would indicate an impact crater.
>
> If Mr Fry has found an impact crater, it would be the second such 
> discovery
> using Google Earth.
>
> Last year Dr Arthur Hickman, a geologist with the Geological Survey of WA, 
> found
> a crater, about 260 metres wide and up to 30 metres deep, in the Hamersley
> Ranges in WA's Pilbara region.
>
> Dr Haines said it was certainly possible a two-kilometre meteorite crater 
> had
> gone unnoticed. "It is not something that would necessarily attract the
> attention of someone who was not already thinking about a crater." A 
> crater,
> agreed Dr Tomkins, "could easily be missed".
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list 


From radio_ranch at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 23 00:47:10 2008
From: radio_ranch at yahoo.com (Pat Brown)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 21:47:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Smacked by gob
In-Reply-To: <9FD02F307C8445A89AC52875B30EDAC9@laptop>
Message-ID: <319256.19496.qm@web51301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi Pete and the List

The word GobSmacked is Brittish slang, Gob=face or more like the way we say 'mug' as slang for face and smacked=hit. The engineers from our sister plant in Scotland use this slang in almost the same way as we say "you could have knocked me over with a feather" , supprised usually pleasantly. 

Pat 


--- On Sat, 11/22/08, Pete Shugar <pshugar at clearwire.net> wrote:

> From: Pete Shugar <pshugar at clearwire.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Smacked by gob
> To: cynapse at charter.net, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 7:50 PM
> At the risk of going soooo  faaaar off topic as to never be
> able to find my way back,
> I ask the following:
> I readily admit that it sometimes does not take much to
> amuse me, but I find that
> the word Gobsmacked as probably one of the single most
> facinating words to ever
> appear on the internet. Please define.........
> Pete
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darren
> Garrison" <cynapse at charter.net>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 10:10 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Smacked by gob
> 
> 
> >
> http://www.theage.com.au/national/googling-geologist-identifies-possible-meteorite-crater-out-the-back-of-bourke-20081122-6eix.html
> > 
> > Googling geologist identifies possible meteorite
> crater out the back of Bourke
> > 
> >    * Richard Macey
> >    * November 23, 2008
> > 
> > A RETIRED geologist searching on Google Earth for a
> place to mine opals may have
> > discovered something much bigger: a meteorite crater
> in outback NSW.
> > 
> > Mike Fry, of Maryborough in central Victoria, was
> using the Google site last
> > month to survey terrain when he saw an unusual
> structure in the red dust.
> > 
> > "The circular nature of this thing struck
> me," Mr Fry said. "It was so
> > distinctive, I was gobsmacked."
> > 
> > Mr Fry, who earned a degree in geology from the
> University of New Mexico before
> > coming to Australia 44 years ago to mine opals and
> gold, drove for 11 hours to
> > the site to take a look. The site is about 10
> kilometres north-east of White
> > Cliffs, a town halfway between Broken Hill and Bourke
> in far north-western NSW.
> > 
> > "I have walked around it," he said,
> estimating his "crater" was at least two
> > kilometres across. "There is a steep slope on the
> eastern side, which rises 30
> > to 50 metres above the floor."
> > 
> > The western rim was severely eroded. However, the
> eastern side had been
> > preserved under a layer of sedimentary material called
> silcrete, formed from
> > dissolved silica, that he believes was laid down more
> than 2 million years ago.
> > 
> > "Silcrete is as hard as concrete," Mr Fry
> said. "The crater had to exist before
> > the silcrete was laid down."
> > 
> > Several scientists who looked at the images agreed
> that while circular shapes
> > could be produced by many geological forces, including
> volcanic activity, the
> > feature deserved further investigation.
> > 
> > "It does look the right sort of shape," said
> Andy Tomkins, of Monash University.
> > "It is the pattern you would expect to see. It
> looks interesting."
> > 
> > Peter Haines, a senior geologist with the Geological
> Survey of Western
> > Australia, said he would remain "a bit
> sceptical" until the site was tested.
> > 
> > However, he added, "just looking at it, it's
> something that should be followed
> > up".
> > 
> > Dr Tomkins and Dr Haines said finding microscopic
> evidence of rock that had
> > suffered a severe shock would indicate an impact
> crater.
> > 
> > If Mr Fry has found an impact crater, it would be the
> second such discovery
> > using Google Earth.
> > 
> > Last year Dr Arthur Hickman, a geologist with the
> Geological Survey of WA, found
> > a crater, about 260 metres wide and up to 30 metres
> deep, in the Hamersley
> > Ranges in WA's Pilbara region.
> > 
> > Dr Haines said it was certainly possible a
> two-kilometre meteorite crater had
> > gone unnoticed. "It is not something that would
> necessarily attract the
> > attention of someone who was not already thinking
> about a crater." A crater,
> > agreed Dr Tomkins, "could easily be missed".
> > ______________________________________________
> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list 
> 
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list

From minador at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 23 00:56:16 2008
From: minador at yahoo.com (Mark Bowling)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 22:56:16 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Alberta fireball
Message-ID: <000e01c94d30$33c95010$9b5bf030$@com>

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NRWUgi8CGSE



--
Mark Bowling
Vail, AZ
IMCA #6645  o(:?D-)





From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 23 02:51:16 2008
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 01:51:16 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Smacked by gob
References: <319256.19496.qm@web51301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <01d201c94d40$4462ef70$d253e146@ATARIENGINE>

"Gob" is literally "mouth."

"Gobsmacked" is punched in the mouth,
meaning astounded or amazed; also "gobstruck."
A hard cardy sucker for a child is a "gobstopper."
Harmonicas are "gob irons." To "gob off" means
to talk in a opinionated and loud manner, all slang
terms. The word "gob" is possibly Gaelic in origin.

http://www.answers.com/topic/gob

http://www.peevish.co.uk/slang/g.htm


Sterling K. Webb
---------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pat Brown" <radio_ranch at yahoo.com>
To: "Pete Shugar" <pshugar at clearwire.net>; "Meteorite" 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 11:47 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Smacked by gob


Hi Pete and the List

The word GobSmacked is Brittish slang, Gob=face or more like the way we say 
'mug' as slang for face and smacked=hit. The engineers from our sister plant 
in Scotland use this slang in almost the same way as we say "you could have 
knocked me over with a feather" , supprised usually pleasantly.

Pat


--- On Sat, 11/22/08, Pete Shugar <pshugar at clearwire.net> wrote:

> From: Pete Shugar <pshugar at clearwire.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Smacked by gob
> To: cynapse at charter.net, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 7:50 PM
> At the risk of going soooo  faaaar off topic as to never be
> able to find my way back,
> I ask the following:
> I readily admit that it sometimes does not take much to
> amuse me, but I find that
> the word Gobsmacked as probably one of the single most
> facinating words to ever
> appear on the internet. Please define.........
> Pete
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darren
> Garrison" <cynapse at charter.net>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 10:10 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Smacked by gob
>
>
> >
> http://www.theage.com.au/national/googling-geologist-identifies-possible-meteorite-crater-out-the-back-of-bourke-20081122-6eix.html
> >
> > Googling geologist identifies possible meteorite
> crater out the back of Bourke
> >
> >    * Richard Macey
> >    * November 23, 2008
> >
> > A RETIRED geologist searching on Google Earth for a
> place to mine opals may have
> > discovered something much bigger: a meteorite crater
> in outback NSW.
> >
> > Mike Fry, of Maryborough in central Victoria, was
> using the Google site last
> > month to survey terrain when he saw an unusual
> structure in the red dust.
> >
> > "The circular nature of this thing struck
> me," Mr Fry said. "It was so
> > distinctive, I was gobsmacked."
> >
> > Mr Fry, who earned a degree in geology from the
> University of New Mexico before
> > coming to Australia 44 years ago to mine opals and
> gold, drove for 11 hours to
> > the site to take a look. The site is about 10
> kilometres north-east of White
> > Cliffs, a town halfway between Broken Hill and Bourke
> in far north-western NSW.
> >
> > "I have walked around it," he said,
> estimating his "crater" was at least two
> > kilometres across. "There is a steep slope on the
> eastern side, which rises 30
> > to 50 metres above the floor."
> >
> > The western rim was severely eroded. However, the
> eastern side had been
> > preserved under a layer of sedimentary material called
> silcrete, formed from
> > dissolved silica, that he believes was laid down more
> than 2 million years ago.
> >
> > "Silcrete is as hard as concrete," Mr Fry
> said. "The crater had to exist before
> > the silcrete was laid down."
> >
> > Several scientists who looked at the images agreed
> that while circular shapes
> > could be produced by many geological forces, including
> volcanic activity, the
> > feature deserved further investigation.
> >
> > "It does look the right sort of shape," said
> Andy Tomkins, of Monash University.
> > "It is the pattern you would expect to see. It
> looks interesting."
> >
> > Peter Haines, a senior geologist with the Geological
> Survey of Western
> > Australia, said he would remain "a bit
> sceptical" until the site was tested.
> >
> > However, he added, "just looking at it, it's
> something that should be followed
> > up".
> >
> > Dr Tomkins and Dr Haines said finding microscopic
> evidence of rock that had
> > suffered a severe shock would indicate an impact
> crater.
> >
> > If Mr Fry has found an impact crater, it would be the
> second such discovery
> > using Google Earth.
> >
> > Last year Dr Arthur Hickman, a geologist with the
> Geological Survey of WA, found
> > a crater, about 260 metres wide and up to 30 metres
> deep, in the Hamersley
> > Ranges in WA's Pilbara region.
> >
> > Dr Haines said it was certainly possible a
> two-kilometre meteorite crater had
> > gone unnoticed. "It is not something that would
> necessarily attract the
> > attention of someone who was not already thinking
> about a crater." A crater,
> > agreed Dr Tomkins, "could easily be missed".
> > ______________________________________________
> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
______________________________________________
http://www.meteoritecentral.com
Meteorite-list mailing list
Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list 


From meteoritekid at gmail.com  Sun Nov 23 04:34:19 2008
From: meteoritekid at gmail.com (Jason Utas)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 01:34:19 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Opal miner stumbles on mega meteorite crater -
	With Picture
Message-ID: <93aaac890811230134h6e88f437qdb86d85082d7f760@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.theage.com.au/news/technology/biztech/opal-miner-stumbles-on-mega-meteorite-crater/2008/11/22/1226770814042.html

A RETIRED geologist searching on Google Earth for a place to mine
opals may have discovered something much bigger: a meteorite crater in
outback NSW.

Mike Fry was using the Google site last month to survey terrain when
he saw an unusual structure in the red dust.

"The circular nature of this thing struck me," Mr Fry said. "It was so
distinctive, I was gobsmacked."

Mr Fry, who earned a degree in geology from the University of New
Mexico before coming to Australia 44 years ago to mine opals and gold,
drove 11 hours to the site, about 10 kilometres north-east of White
Cliffs, to take a closer look.

"I have walked around it," he said, estimating his "crater" was at
least two kilometres across. "There is a steep slope on the eastern
side, which rises 30 to 50 metres above the floor."

The western rim, washed away over time by creeks, was severely eroded.
However, the eastern side had been preserved under a layer of
sedimentary material called silcrete, formed from dissolved silica
that he believes was laid down more than 2 million years ago.

"Silcrete is as hard as concrete," said Mr Fry, of Maryborough, in
Victoria. "The crater had to exist before the silcrete was laid down."

Several scientists who looked at the Google Earth images agreed that
although circular shapes could be produced by many geological forces,
including volcanic activity, the feature deserved investigation.

Andy Tomkins, from Monash University in Melbourne, said: "It is the
pattern you would expect to see. It looks interesting."

Peter Haines, a senior geologist with the Geological Survey of Western
Australia, said he would remain "a bit sceptical" until the site was
thoroughly tested. However, he added, "Just looking at it, it's
something that should be followed up."

Dr Tomkins and Dr Haines said finding microscopic evidence of rock
that had suffered a severe shock would indicate an impact crater.

If Mr Fry, who said there was no evidence of ancient volcanic activity
in the area, has found an impact crater, it would be the second such
discovery using Google Earth. Last year Dr Arthur Hickman, a geologist
with the Geological Survey of Western Australia, found a crater, about
260 metres wide and up to 30 metres deep, in the Hamersley Ranges in
Western Australia's Pilbara region.

Dr Haines said it was possible that a two-kilometre crater had gone
unnoticed. "It is not something that would necessarily attract the
attention of someone who was not already thinking about a crater."

Source: The Sun-Herald

From meteoritekid at gmail.com  Sun Nov 23 04:37:32 2008
From: meteoritekid at gmail.com (Jason Utas)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 01:37:32 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Researchers find ancient meteorite dust
Message-ID: <93aaac890811230137u60217dbfh47eacf5321a913d8@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.timesoftheinternet.com/21045.html

Researchers find ancient meteorite dust


PISA, Italy, Nov. 18 (UPI) --

Italian explorers and geologists in the Antarctic report finding the
world's largest and oldest cache of meteorite particles.

Some 1.35 million bits of space dust were found while the group led by
Luigi Folco of Pisa University was on an expedition in the
Transatlantic Mountains, the Italian news agency ANSA reported
Tuesday. The researchers say the dust could offer possibilities on how
life began on Earth.

The explorers found balls of Earth glass and other material that came
from a gigantic cosmic impact, Folco said, that probably occurred in
Indonesia.

Folco and his team said many of the particles are ''gigantic,
permitting tests that were impossible up till now."

The discovery will allow scientists to trace meteorite showers dating
back 1 million years ago, ANSA said.

The space particles have been taken to Siena University. The
researchers' study was published in the Proceedings of the National
Academy of Sciences in America.


Copyright 2008 by United Press International
All Rights Reserved.

From azizhabibi at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 23 07:04:41 2008
From: azizhabibi at yahoo.com (habibi abdelaziz)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 04:04:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: new fresh NWA diogenite looking like
	tatahuoine, 
Message-ID: <298253.56833.qm@web62001.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

HELLO ALL,


i have for sale the falowing a new fresh diogenite just found recently.
see photo here.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/sets/72157603690033934/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/sets/72157603690033934/detail/

i have the fallowing,small completeand fresh diogenite.
d1= 140 gr. complete
d2 = 94 gr.complete
d3= 88gr. complete
d4=40 gr.complete
d5=26gr.complete
d6=23gr.complete
d7= 14 gr.complete

and also two unclassified carbonaceous.
c1 =300 gr orionted.complete crusted 100/100.
c3= 135 gr looks complete and nice.complete crusted 100/100.




please emeail for prices..
all the best
aziz habibi



habibi aziz 
www.palmserfoud.com
www.palmotel.com
box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco 
phone. 21235576145 /44.
fax.21235576170


      

From azizhabibi at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 23 07:36:59 2008
From: azizhabibi at yahoo.com (habibi abdelaziz)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 04:36:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] THE taoudinid/ classification the biggest
	achondrite from NWA
Message-ID: <984894.60992.qm@web62006.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

HELLO ALL AGAIN,
an other clarification as many collector tought the taoudinid to be an earth rock , well this little asteroid is a meteorite  here is an official classification. from sir dr albert jambon.
it's the biggest achondrite diogenite  that went out of nwa and nea.
enjoy the photo

all the best 
aziz habibi 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/sets/72157603629866992/comments/


Proposed Name    Taoudeni NWA                    Geographic Coordinates : N 22?47.5? W3?58.0?

City, County, province/state and Country : Taoudeni, (Tombouctou),Mali.

Find : December 2007

Major classification (group)4 : Diogenite

 

History: A Moroccan meteorite hunter (Dhamen Ouled Ali) looking for pieces of Erg Chech fall , found by chance this 23 kg single stone, 15 km North of the Taoudeni salines. 

Physical characteristics: One single stone, with patches of fusion crust (5 to 10 % approximately). TKW 24,370 g. log c = 2.8.

Petrography: A. Jambon, O. Boudouma, D. Badia ,UPVI. Study on one polished section by EMPA, SEM.

Cumulate texture of largely dominant orthopyroxene, with minor amounts of poikilitally enclosed olivine and chromite/pyrrhotite. Interstitial plagioclase and chromite. Rare silica and kamacite (mostly weathered) . A few clusters of subhedrehal olivine appear to be irregularly distributed (according to photographs of the whole stone). Millimetric crystals of gem quality. Mode from a BSE image on a polished section of about 2 cm2: Orthopyroxene = 87 %, Olivine = 7 %, Chromite = 1.6 %, Plagioclase = 3 %.

 

Mineral compositions and geochemistry: Abundant lo-Ca Pyroxene : En69Fs26Wo4; Cr2O3 = 0.7%; FeO/MnO = 31. Olivine Fa34; Cr2O3 = 0.03%, CaO = 0.08 %; FeO/MnO = 51. Minor hi-Ca Pyroxene: En45Fs13Wo42. Plagioclase An87Ab12Or1. Chromite : Mg# = 0.24; Cr/(Cr+Al) = 0.69. Kamacite with Ni = 12%.

 

Classification: Diogenite. Weathering : moderate. No shock features. 

 

Type specimens: A specimen of 31 g and one polished section are on deposit at UPVI. A. Habibi (Erfoud) holds the main mass. 


habibi aziz 
www.palmserfoud.com
www.palmotel.com
box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco 
phone. 21235576145 
fax.21235576170



      

From MoritzKarl at t-online.de  Sun Nov 23 08:35:45 2008
From: MoritzKarl at t-online.de (MoritzKarl at t-online.de)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:35:45 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: ebay auctions ending in 6 hours
Message-ID: <1L4F7p-0Chp7Q0@fwd09.aul.t-online.de>

Dear List,

I have 15 ebay auctions ending. Those include rare historical falls and
other goodies.
(Nogoya, Orgueil, Nerft, Atoka, Boriskino, Barbotan, Norton County, ...
)
Most of the autions are still at bargain prices.
If you are interested please see them at:

http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/meteoriten

or through my website:

http://www.m3t3orites.com/ebay.php

Thank you very much.
Kind Regards
Moritz Karl





From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 23 11:44:57 2008
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 08:44:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space Rocks Picture of the Day - 11/23/2008
In-Reply-To: <mailman.96.1227441882.82855.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <92686.53838.qm@web58402.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Space Rocks POD for 11-23-2008 - http://www.glassthrower.com/pod.html

Enjoy!

Comments or submissions to mike at galactic-stone.com


.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
..........................................................



      

From rockhoundm at abaconet.com.ar  Sun Nov 23 15:06:03 2008
From: rockhoundm at abaconet.com.ar (Eduardo.)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:06:03 -0300
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Auctions ending in 2 days. 40 different
	meteorites
In-Reply-To: <1L4F7p-0Chp7Q0@fwd09.aul.t-online.de>
Message-ID: <B0000035473@webmail.abaco.net.ar>

Hi

Over 40 different meteorites are ready to go to your home. Just bid on any
of the 59 auctions that will end in less than 2 days.

If just looking, don't miss this amazing 865g oriented sikhote:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280286792592

and an amazing oriented Bilanga
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280286833433

Other beauties including Brenham, Zagami, Tucson, Ragland, and many more:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZsmfmeteorites

Eduardo 


From fuzzfoot at comcast.net  Sun Nov 23 15:26:58 2008
From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:26:58 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Great Desiccant Containers for Meteorites!
Message-ID: <20081123202706.D84E010543@mailwash5.pair.com>

If you are one of those collectors who are obsessed with baking desiccant
every other month to keep your meteorites dry, then you understand what a
pain in the rear it can be. I have found some great containers for storing
desiccant, which can also be used in cabinets to aid in display. These tin
canisters have mesh sides, which allow moisture to be absorbed by the
desiccant inside. They are also easy to remove and safe for
baking/reactivating your desiccant in the oven. The only thing you need to
buy is some cheap, bulk desiccant. I use Engelhard desiccant as it dries the
quickest in the oven and comes in large Tyvek bags. The Tyvek is nice, but
the glue holding the bag closed only lasts one or two bakes. Just pour the
desiccant into your new mesh container. There are several sources online for
these empty containers. Here is a couple:

http://tinyurl.com/6gdv5k

or

http://tinyurl.com/6h4hon


You can use the low profile tins to hide under riker boxes or the square to
elevating display pieces. If you do it right, then you can really dress up
your meteorite display without noticing the containers.

Another company was smart and actually sells these same tins (with desiccant
included) for gun safes, but it is much cheaper if you buy the empty tins
and fill yourself.

Keep in mind that moisture will rise to the top of your display cabinet when
those warm lights are on. For this reason I find it best to keep the larger
containers on the top shelf. By using this method I am able to maintain a Rh
of ~20%. I live in the Northwest, so 20% is a major accomplishment here.

Hope this helps!

Mike Bandli

PS. Or you can just move to Tucson where the air is dry and meteorites are
plentiful : )





From dmerchan at rochester.rr.com  Sun Nov 23 16:18:54 2008
From: dmerchan at rochester.rr.com (Don Merchant)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:18:54 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Best Price for NEW 2008 Cook Island Pultusk Coin
Message-ID: <000301c94db1$16ef2010$6401a8c0@donaldmerchant>

Hi List. For those interested I saw this on EBay and bought one myself. I 
believe there are only 4 left but it is the best price your gonna find 
anywhere since other prices been ranging from $109 to $115. Here is the 
Auction address link if you want this coin for a super price which I have 
researched is going to be hard to beat!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/Cook-Islands-5-dollar-Meteorite-Impact-at-Pultusk-2008_W0QQitemZ260319981638QQihZ016QQcategoryZ3392QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Also for anyone interested in my Meteorite Stamps with the Worlds only 
Postal Stamp that contains actual Meteorite Dust...I have lowered the price 
from Buy it Now of $90 to a reduced Buy it Now of $75...well worth the money 
since I see a single stamp with no air tight case selling for up to $20 Here 
you get 6 stamps perfect New Never Hinged...my only set left with the Postal 
Stamp containing actual Meteorite Dust. Click below:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=160295107194

Thank you and I wish all of you my friends a very Happy Thanksgiving coming 
up next week.
Sincerely
Don Merchant
IMCA #0960 


From bobadebt at ec.rr.com  Sun Nov 23 19:05:39 2008
From: bobadebt at ec.rr.com (David & Kitt Deyarmin)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:05:39 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Zag Sale Update
Message-ID: <E8C9870713AA4687805AFB89E09F3C3E@David>

I just wanted to let everyone know that I can not log onto my Photobucket 
Account to update my Zag Sale Page.

I have sold 2 of the 5 large slices (SL-9 & SL-11) sold some of the smaller 
slices most of the fragments.

I will offer the remaining 33 grams of fragments for $33 shipped to any USA 
address.

The 3 remaining larger slices are still $2 per gram.

If you're interested in anything send and email to bobadebt at ec.rr.com

You can view the inventory by clicking this 
http://home.ec.rr.com/bobadebt/Rocks/FS%20Zag.htm

Just bear in mind that SL-9 & SL-11 are sold.

Thanks 


From mdavidhardy at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 23 20:20:50 2008
From: mdavidhardy at yahoo.com (David Hardy)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:20:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Canadian meteor video
Message-ID: <830069.79801.qm@web50201.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Neat video from a police car of a meteor in Canada.  

http://www.break.com/index/police-dash-cam-strikes-canada.html

David H.



      

From bmason3 at comcast.net  Sun Nov 23 20:52:15 2008
From: bmason3 at comcast.net (Bill Mason)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:52:15 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Great Desiccant Containers for Meteorites!
In-Reply-To: <20081123202706.D84E010543@mailwash5.pair.com>
References: <20081123202706.D84E010543@mailwash5.pair.com>
Message-ID: <002001c94dd7$47b1ecc0$d715c640$@net>

In my technical opinion a desiccant is a waste of time if your meteorite has
any internal moisture. You should consider an emitter that prevents galvanic
action. You can order them from Paleobond.com

Rusty  Bill3

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Bandli
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 2:27 PM
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Great Desiccant Containers for Meteorites!

If you are one of those collectors who are obsessed with baking desiccant
every other month to keep your meteorites dry, then you understand what a
pain in the rear it can be. I have found some great containers for storing
desiccant, which can also be used in cabinets to aid in display. These tin
canisters have mesh sides, which allow moisture to be absorbed by the
desiccant inside. They are also easy to remove and safe for
baking/reactivating your desiccant in the oven. The only thing you need to
buy is some cheap, bulk desiccant. I use Engelhard desiccant as it dries the
quickest in the oven and comes in large Tyvek bags. The Tyvek is nice, but
the glue holding the bag closed only lasts one or two bakes. Just pour the
desiccant into your new mesh container. There are several sources online for
these empty containers. Here is a couple:

http://tinyurl.com/6gdv5k

or

http://tinyurl.com/6h4hon


You can use the low profile tins to hide under riker boxes or the square to
elevating display pieces. If you do it right, then you can really dress up
your meteorite display without noticing the containers.

Another company was smart and actually sells these same tins (with desiccant
included) for gun safes, but it is much cheaper if you buy the empty tins
and fill yourself.

Keep in mind that moisture will rise to the top of your display cabinet when
those warm lights are on. For this reason I find it best to keep the larger
containers on the top shelf. By using this method I am able to maintain a Rh
of ~20%. I live in the Northwest, so 20% is a major accomplishment here.

Hope this helps!

Mike Bandli

PS. Or you can just move to Tucson where the air is dry and meteorites are
plentiful : )




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From bristolia at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 23 22:25:08 2008
From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:25:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question About Nanodiamonds was "Discovery.com
	Ancient N.Y. Tsunami?"
Message-ID: <941420.31745.qm@web36205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

On November 22, 2008,

Paul Harris forwarded:

"Did Asteroid Cause Ancient N.Y. Tsunami?
From: Anne Black impactika at aol.com

Hi, Anne Black
A friend of yours, Kevin Decker just asked us to pass 
this along to you. Here's the link at Discovery.com 
that they thought you'd be interested in seeing.

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/11/20/asteroid-tsunami.html "

In this story and in the AGU abstracts, we are reading 
much about nanodiamonds. Does anyone know of any papers 
about how a person goes about looking for nanodiamonds 
in sediment samples?

Where does a person find a description of the procedures 
used to extract and concentrate the carbon spherules and 
nanodiamonds for analysis?

By the way, an article, for what it is or is not worth, about 
nanodiamonds is "Lucy in the Sky with Nanodiamonds" at

http://www.strangehorizons.com/2008/20080107/perrin-c.shtml

Yours, 

Paul H.


      

From mfcollecter at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 24 08:22:02 2008
From: mfcollecter at yahoo.com (Said Haddany)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 05:22:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD:NWA for sale
Message-ID: <424224.86509.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi list,
just offering some nice specimens for sale ,have a look on the following link:
http://www.geocities.com/mfcollecter/NWA.htm

cheers

? Said Haddany


      

From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 24 15:06:18 2008
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:06:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space Rocks Picture of the Day - November 23, 2008
In-Reply-To: <mailman.31.1227546059.16254.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <238943.75233.qm@web58401.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


Hi List!

I am running low on photos to use for the Space Rocks POD, so I
am humbly coming to the group with my hat in my hand - seeking
submissions.  Send those meteorite-related photos to :

mike at galactic-stone.com

Space Rocks POD for 11-23-2008 - http://www.glassthrower.com/pod.html

Enjoy!

.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
..........................................................



      

From p.marmet at sunrise.ch  Mon Nov 24 15:07:13 2008
From: p.marmet at sunrise.ch (Peter Marmet)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:07:13 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Stunning new lunar for sale!
Message-ID: <871799a20811241207s74e1bdd1r679994272cb8c9a7@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

I have a stunning new lunar, NWA 4734, for sale.
It's not just another new lunar, but a really special one.
It looks almost like a Martian Shergottite, but it's a lunar!
We cut it in thin (about 1mm or less) slices, because this way, the meteorite
reveals his full beauty!

Please have a look:

http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/id44.html

If you need more info or a picture with higher resolution, please ask!

Thank you,
Peter

Peter Marmet
Bern, Switzerland
IMCA #2747
Paypal ID: p.marmet at mysunrise.ch
http://www.marmet-meteorites.com

From vs.petrovich at gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 15:41:33 2008
From: vs.petrovich at gmail.com (Sergey Vasiliev)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:41:33 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Ebay auctions
Message-ID: <LCELIFLDMGKFPKOAIBKOKEOCENAA.vs.petrovich@gmail.com>

Hello List,

I have some nice auctions ending in less than 24 hours.

- Dar al Gani 400 (ALUN-A) - 0.914 g:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200277547506

- Bencubbin (CB-A) - 0.65 g:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200277547531

- Elenovka (L5) - 3.60 g:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190267894368

- Kunashak (L6) - 0.52:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200277547414

- Ozernoe (L6) - 17.5 g:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200277547370

Thank you for your time!
Sergey

-----------------------------------------
Sergey Vasiliev
U Dalnice 839,
Prague 5, 15500
Czech Republic
------------------------------------------
http://www.sv-meteorites.com
http://impactites.net
http://systematic-mineralogy.com


From dave at fallingrocks.com  Mon Nov 24 15:49:55 2008
From: dave at fallingrocks.com (Dave Gheesling)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:49:55 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Looking for a coil
Message-ID: <6B8986B8C55543F5A92A6299BBBB0B74@meteorroom>

All,
Does anyone have an extra 40' Lorenz universal coil they'd be willing to
part with?
Thanks,
Dave

Dave Gheesling
www.fallingrocks.com 


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Mon Nov 24 16:49:27 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:49:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Dawn Glides Into New Year
Message-ID: <200811242149.NAA14273@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2008-221

Dawn Glides Into New Year
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
November 20, 2008

NASA's Dawn spacecraft shut down its ion propulsion system today as
scheduled. The spacecraft is now gliding toward a Mars flyby in February
of next year.  

"Dawn has completed the thrusting it needs to use Mars for a gravity
assist to help get us to Vesta," said Marc Rayman, Dawn's chief
engineer, of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. "Dawn
will now coast in its orbit around the sun for the next half a year
before we again fire up the ion propulsion system to continue our
journey to the asteroid belt."

Dawn's ion engines may get a short workout next January to provide any
final orbital adjustments prior to its encounter with the Red Planet.
Ions are also scheduled to fly out of the propulsion system during some
systems testing in spring. But mostly, Dawn's three ion engines will
remain silent until June, when they will again speed Dawn toward its
first appointment, with asteroid Vesta.  

Dawn's ion engines are vital to the success of the misson's 8-year,
4.9-billion-kilometer (3-billion-mile) journey to asteroid Vesta and
dwarf planet Ceres. One of these extremely frugal powerhouses can
generate more than 24 hours of thrusting while consuming about .26
kilograms (about 9 ounces) of the spacecraft's xenon fuel supply -- less
than the contents of a can of soda. Over their lifetime, Dawn's three
ion propulsion engines will fire cumulatively for about 50,000 hours
(over five years) -- a record for spacecraft.  

Dawn will begin its exploration of asteroid Vesta in 2011 and the dwarf
planet Ceres in 2015. These two icons of the asteroid belt have been
witness to so much of our solar system's history. By utilizing the same
set of instruments at two separate destinations, scientists can more
accurately formulate comparisons and contrasts. Dawn's science
instrument suite will measure shape, surface topography, tectonic
history, elemental and mineral composition, and will seek out
water-bearing minerals. In addition, the Dawn spacecraft itself and how
it orbits both Vesta and Ceres will be used to measure the celestial
bodies' masses and gravity fields.  

The Dawn mission to asteroid Vesta and dwarf planet Ceres is managed and
operated by JPL for NASA's Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C.
The University of California, Los Angeles, is responsible for overall
Dawn mission science. Other scientific partners include: Max Planck
Institute for Solar System Research, Katlenburg, Germany; DLR Institute
for Planetary Research, Berlin, Germany; Italian National Institute for
Astrophysics, Rome; and the Italian Space Agency. Orbital Sciences
Corporation of Dulles, Virginia, designed and built the Dawn spacecraft.  

Additional information about Dawn is online at http://www.nasa.gov/dawn
and http://dawn.jpl.nasa.gov.

Media contact: DC Agle 818-393-9011
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
agle at jpl.nasa.gov

2008-221


From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 24 18:17:25 2008
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:17:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Size of this list?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.31.1227546059.16254.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <686721.74162.qm@web58401.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi Folks!

Out of curiosity, how many members does this list have?

Regards and clear skies,

MikeG
 
.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
..........................................................



      

From blurtheline at gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 21:18:17 2008
From: blurtheline at gmail.com (Art)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 02:18:17 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Size of this list?
In-Reply-To: <686721.74162.qm@web58401.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.31.1227546059.16254.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
	<686721.74162.qm@web58401.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <998a6e0f0811241818u34197a05p73ee697ae098b88@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mike;

As of today, there are 976 members on the list.

Best Regards, Art

On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:17 PM, Michael Gilmer
<michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Folks!
>
> Out of curiosity, how many members does this list have?
>
> Regards and clear skies,
>
> MikeG
>
> .........................................................
> Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
> Member of the Meteoritical Society.
> Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
> Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
> MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
> ..........................................................
>
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________
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From geoking at notkin.net  Mon Nov 24 21:31:43 2008
From: geoking at notkin.net (Notkin)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:31:43 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Size of this list?
In-Reply-To: <998a6e0f0811241818u34197a05p73ee697ae098b88@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.31.1227546059.16254.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
	<686721.74162.qm@web58401.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<998a6e0f0811241818u34197a05p73ee697ae098b88@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EA354031-214D-4939-9DC9-1CEC1E4A0D85@notkin.net>

Art posted:

> As of today, there are 976 members on the list.


Dear Art:

Congrats on that impressive number and -- in case we haven't said it  
recently -- thank you once again for your many years of hard work  
running the original, biggest, and best meteorite forum in the known  
universe. I think I've been enjoying this online community for 10 1/2  
years. Has it really been that long?  Wow  : )

Anyway, last time someone asked I think the sub list was about 800, so  
nice to know we're still moving up in the world.

Keep up the great work.


Cheers,

Geoff N.

www.aerolite.org
www.campometeorites.com


From John at Cabassi.net  Mon Nov 24 21:53:52 2008
From: John at Cabassi.net (John.L.Cabassi)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:53:52 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Size of this list?
References: <mailman.31.1227546059.16254.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com><686721.74162.qm@web58401.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<998a6e0f0811241818u34197a05p73ee697ae098b88@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003a01c94ea9$0e8ab260$4564fea9@TITAN>

G'Day Art
Wow, I'm impressed. I'm only new to the list, but I didn't know how large it 
was.

What an incredible achievement!  Well done. My hat's off to you.

Cheers
Johnno

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Art" <blurtheline at gmail.com>
To: <michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Size of this list?


> Hi Mike;
>
> As of today, there are 976 members on the list.
>
> Best Regards, Art
>
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:17 PM, Michael Gilmer
> <michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Hi Folks!
>>
>> Out of curiosity, how many members does this list have?
>>
>> Regards and clear skies,
>>
>> MikeG
>>
>> .........................................................
>> Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
>> Member of the Meteoritical Society.
>> Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
>> Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
>> MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
>> ..........................................................
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
> ______________________________________________
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From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Mon Nov 24 23:59:51 2008
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:59:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - November 25,
	2008
Message-ID: <28476374.1140251227589191889.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>

http://www.spacerocksinc.com/November_25_2008.html


From rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com  Tue Nov 25 00:01:16 2008
From: rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com (Rob Wesel)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:01:16 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - November
	25, 2008
References: <28476374.1140251227589191889.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>
Message-ID: <398e01c94eba$d92e17d0$6501a8c0@windows9bb74fe>

Hooray!

Rob Wesel
http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
------------------
We are the music makers...
and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
Willy Wonka, 1971


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Johnson" <michael at spacerocksinc.com>
To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 8:59 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - November 
25,2008


> http://www.spacerocksinc.com/November_25_2008.html
>
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From rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com  Tue Nov 25 00:02:24 2008
From: rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com (Rob Wesel)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:02:24 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Size of this list?
References: <mailman.31.1227546059.16254.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com><686721.74162.qm@web58401.mail.re3.yahoo.com><998a6e0f0811241818u34197a05p73ee697ae098b88@mail.gmail.com>
	<EA354031-214D-4939-9DC9-1CEC1E4A0D85@notkin.net>
Message-ID: <398f01c94ebb$01d05090$6501a8c0@windows9bb74fe>

I remember the day I stumbled onto this great forum, like a kid at 
Christmas. It felt like I had found the next tier, stepped into an inner 
circle where I found there were other crazy rockheads like myself.

Thanks Art!

Rob Wesel
http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
------------------
We are the music makers...
and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
Willy Wonka, 1971


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Notkin" <geoking at notkin.net>
To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Size of this list?


> Art posted:
>
>> As of today, there are 976 members on the list.
>
>
> Dear Art:
>
> Congrats on that impressive number and -- in case we haven't said it 
> recently -- thank you once again for your many years of hard work  running 
> the original, biggest, and best meteorite forum in the known  universe. I 
> think I've been enjoying this online community for 10 1/2  years. Has it 
> really been that long?  Wow  : )
>
> Anyway, last time someone asked I think the sub list was about 800, so 
> nice to know we're still moving up in the world.
>
> Keep up the great work.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Geoff N.
>
> www.aerolite.org
> www.campometeorites.com
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list 


From info at niger-meteorite-recon.de  Tue Nov 25 01:04:58 2008
From: info at niger-meteorite-recon.de (Meteorite-Recon.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:04:58 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - November
 25, 2008
Message-ID: <28051044.67261227593098241.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver>

Good to see your're back Michael. Thanks for bringing these images to us.

Svend

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From cynapse at charter.net  Tue Nov 25 01:12:47 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:12:47 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rockstock (no barrel)
In-Reply-To: <686721.74162.qm@web58401.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.31.1227546059.16254.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
	<686721.74162.qm@web58401.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ep5ni4510i3ng1gqb72tm8mq1qualoj5vt@4ax.com>

http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008/11/24/meteor-hunt.html?ref=rss

Meteorite hunters head to Alberta-Sask. border for 'Rockstock'
Last Updated: Monday, November 24, 2008 | 5:35 PM ET

Space enthusiasts are heading to small communities near the Alberta-Saskatchewan
border hoping for a chunk of the meteor that streaked across the prairie sky
last Thursday night.

Well-known Arizona meteorite collector Robert Haag is offering $10,000 for the
first one-kilogram chunk of the fallen meteor.

"The first piece that is found, I am immediately catching the first plane to
Canada with a pocket full of money," he said Monday.

Haag, who suspects meteorites could be found somewhere in the Macklin, Sask.,
area near the Alberta border, said he won't be alone.

"It's a happening. It's like Woodstock. It's Rockstock," he said. "Take your
trucks and campers, hitch up your horses, do what you need to do and let's find
it."
Hundreds saw light in sky

From Edmonton to Edgeley, Sask., and points in-between, people reported a
brilliant ball of light streaking across western Canadian skies Thursday.
Hundreds flooded phone lines at police stations and media outlets with accounts
of a multicoloured meteor.

University of Calgary planetary scientist Alan Hildebrand was also heading to
Macklin this weekend to hunt for what he believes was a part of an asteroid, a
small planetary body.

"You are talking about something, say, the size of a chair or a desk that
entered the atmosphere."

Hildebrand, who is with a group of university scientists behind Prairie
Meteorite Search, expects to find hundreds of meteorite pieces ranging in size
from as big as an adult's head to as small as the tip of a finger.

Hildebrand said the pieces will likely be strewn over an area of five kilometres
long and three kilometres wide.

"We have tens of thousands of meteorites, but we don't know where they come
from," he said.

"The fun thing in this case would be that we have enough video records that if
we find meteorites we'll know what orbit the rock fell from. That's only been
done nine times before."
Looks like concrete

People in the Macklin area should be on the lookout for pieces of the meteorite,
said Haag.

"It will look a lot like concrete that has been dipped in black paint, except
that it would be really smooth," he said.

"People who live in the area, if they heard the sonic boom and felt the pressure
wave, they were within a day's walk of where the thing fell."

Macklin is about 250 km west of Saskatoon and six km east of the
Alberta-Saskatchewan border.

Macklin Mayor Pat Doetzel said he's puzzled by the attention his small town has
attracted. There's some talk that the meteor may have fallen closer to Manitou
Lake, about 50 kilometres away.

However, despite the celestial light show Thursday, there's been no buzz around
town that a meteorite might have landed close by, he said.

"I saw it too, that night," Doetzel said. "You could see the tail coming. It was
as bright as day for a second. But there was no noise, just a massive light."

Still, as word gets around that a $10,000 bounty has been offered for a space
rock, some local interest could be stirred up, he said.

"That might get the scavenger hunters out looking."

From grf2 at verizon.net  Tue Nov 25 01:20:07 2008
From: grf2 at verizon.net (Jerry Flaherty)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:20:07 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - November
 25, 2008
References: <28476374.1140251227589191889.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>
Message-ID: <380AF7F881374DBB952AD4B770651C66@ASUS>

Hooray! Michael's back. You were missed!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Johnson" <michael at spacerocksinc.com>
To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:59 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - November 
25,2008


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From grf2 at verizon.net  Tue Nov 25 01:21:25 2008
From: grf2 at verizon.net (Jerry Flaherty)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:21:25 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Size of this list?
References: <mailman.31.1227546059.16254.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com><686721.74162.qm@web58401.mail.re3.yahoo.com><998a6e0f0811241818u34197a05p73ee697ae098b88@mail.gmail.com>
	<EA354031-214D-4939-9DC9-1CEC1E4A0D85@notkin.net>
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Aye Aye to that thanks Art
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Wesel" <rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com>
To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 12:02 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Size of this list?


>I remember the day I stumbled onto this great forum, like a kid at 
>Christmas. It felt like I had found the next tier, stepped into an inner 
>circle where I found there were other crazy rockheads like myself.
>
> Thanks Art!
>
> Rob Wesel
> http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
> ------------------
> We are the music makers...
> and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
> Willy Wonka, 1971
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Notkin" <geoking at notkin.net>
> To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 6:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Size of this list?
>
>
>> Art posted:
>>
>>> As of today, there are 976 members on the list.
>>
>>
>> Dear Art:
>>
>> Congrats on that impressive number and -- in case we haven't said it 
>> recently -- thank you once again for your many years of hard work 
>> running the original, biggest, and best meteorite forum in the known 
>> universe. I think I've been enjoying this online community for 10 1/2 
>> years. Has it really been that long?  Wow  : )
>>
>> Anyway, last time someone asked I think the sub list was about 800, so 
>> nice to know we're still moving up in the world.
>>
>> Keep up the great work.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Geoff N.
>>
>> www.aerolite.org
>> www.campometeorites.com
>>
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From rochette at cerege.fr  Tue Nov 25 02:42:26 2008
From: rochette at cerege.fr (rochette at cerege.fr)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 08:42:26 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Researchers find ancient meteorite dust
Message-ID: <a0624082cc5515bfc6085@[192.168.1.11]>

Dear Jason

thanks for the news. The PNAS paper can be downloaded here:
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2008/11/14/0806049105.abstract
note that L. Folco is not from Pisa but Siena
-- 
Pierre

From majbaermann at web.de  Tue Nov 25 04:07:05 2008
From: majbaermann at web.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Matthias_B=E4rmann?=)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:07:05 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - November
	25, 2008
References: <28476374.1140251227589191889.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>
Message-ID: <4727E071E2F74E11A770F265CFD60867@thinkcentre>

What a pleasure, Michael, to see you back!

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 5:59 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - November 
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From nightsky55 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 25 08:49:27 2008
From: nightsky55 at gmail.com (Bob King)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:49:27 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - November
	25, 2008
In-Reply-To: <4727E071E2F74E11A770F265CFD60867@thinkcentre>
References: <28476374.1140251227589191889.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>
	<4727E071E2F74E11A770F265CFD60867@thinkcentre>
Message-ID: <99c1e91a0811250549q2c57ac33k23ce5773a0a73203@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Michael,
I'll chime in too on your happy return. I also wanted to thank Michael
Gilmer for his fine effort to help out with his alternate POD during
the dry spell. We have many generous folks on this list.
Bob

On 11/25/08, Matthias B?rmann <majbaermann at web.de> wrote:
> What a pleasure, Michael, to see you back!
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Johnson"
> <michael at spacerocksinc.com>
> To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 5:59 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - November
> 25,2008
>
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From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 25 08:58:48 2008
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 05:58:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day
In-Reply-To: <mailman.49.1227594100.76633.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <582908.11933.qm@web58405.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

3 cheers for Michael Johnson! 

:) :) :)

Now I can retire after only a week on the job! ;) LOL

Welcome back Michael, you were missed!

Regards and clear skies,

MikeG

........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
..........................................................

Message: 10
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:59:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Johnson <michael at spacerocksinc.com>
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day -
    November 25,    2008
To: Meteorite List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID:
    <28476374.1140251227589191889.JavaMail.root at mbs4.homesteadmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

http://www.spacerocksinc.com/November_25_2008.html


      

From dave at fallingrocks.com  Tue Nov 25 09:18:31 2008
From: dave at fallingrocks.com (Dave Gheesling)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:18:31 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day -
	November25, 2008
In-Reply-To: <398e01c94eba$d92e17d0$6501a8c0@windows9bb74fe>
References: <28476374.1140251227589191889.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>
	<398e01c94eba$d92e17d0$6501a8c0@windows9bb74fe>
Message-ID: <D64DDC482A8C4562ADB83A3E451E7959@meteorroom>

Double ditto!
Dave
www.fallingrocks.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Rob Wesel
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 12:01 AM
To: Michael Johnson; Meteorite List
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day -
November25, 2008

Hooray!

Rob Wesel
http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
------------------
We are the music makers...
and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
Willy Wonka, 1971


----- Original Message -----
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To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 8:59 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - November
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From dave at fallingrocks.com  Tue Nov 25 09:21:29 2008
From: dave at fallingrocks.com (Dave Gheesling)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:21:29 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Size of this list?
In-Reply-To: <2A5FE7AE20CF43C9984DC0F4E6C90A2E@ASUS>
References: <mailman.31.1227546059.16254.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com><686721.74162.qm@web58401.mail.re3.yahoo.com><998a6e0f0811241818u34197a05p73ee697ae098b88@mail.gmail.com><EA354031-214D-4939-9DC9-1CEC1E4A0D85@notkin.net><398f01c94ebb$01d05090$6501a8c0@windows9bb74fe>
	<2A5FE7AE20CF43C9984DC0F4E6C90A2E@ASUS>
Message-ID: <B871888BBE284462BB5D51186524B6F3@meteorroom>

Absolutely...many, many thanks, Art!
Dave
www.fallingrocks.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jerry
Flaherty
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 1:21 AM
To: Rob Wesel; Meteorite List
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Size of this list?

Aye Aye to that thanks Art
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Wesel" <rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com>
To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 12:02 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Size of this list?


>I remember the day I stumbled onto this great forum, like a kid at 
>Christmas. It felt like I had found the next tier, stepped into an inner 
>circle where I found there were other crazy rockheads like myself.
>
> Thanks Art!
>
> Rob Wesel
> http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
> ------------------
> We are the music makers...
> and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
> Willy Wonka, 1971
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Notkin" <geoking at notkin.net>
> To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 6:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Size of this list?
>
>
>> Art posted:
>>
>>> As of today, there are 976 members on the list.
>>
>>
>> Dear Art:
>>
>> Congrats on that impressive number and -- in case we haven't said it 
>> recently -- thank you once again for your many years of hard work 
>> running the original, biggest, and best meteorite forum in the known 
>> universe. I think I've been enjoying this online community for 10 1/2 
>> years. Has it really been that long?  Wow  : )
>>
>> Anyway, last time someone asked I think the sub list was about 800, so 
>> nice to know we're still moving up in the world.
>>
>> Keep up the great work.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Geoff N.
>>
>> www.aerolite.org
>> www.campometeorites.com
>>
>> ______________________________________________
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From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 25 09:58:15 2008
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 06:58:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] welcome back mike
Message-ID: <336320.31536.qm@web57808.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Good morning list.It's incredible the things we take for granted some times.Like mike johnson's SRPOTD.We come to expect it everyday,but then something comes up that is beyond our control,and voila,it's gone.For whatever reason,this is the earliest mike could start up SRPOTD again.I want to thank mike for all the work he has done,and I am looking forward to more of his pics,whenever he gets to them,that is fine.And he is the one I owe making me to make a radical decision on collecting mostly sikote-alin iron meteorites.Jim strope had a big hand in that as well."money in the bank".Anyway as I go to look for a new job again,got laidoff yesterday,I want to welcome mike johnson back on his pics of the day.My sentiments exactly from all the others as well.

Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/


      

From almitt at kconline.com  Tue Nov 25 10:20:50 2008
From: almitt at kconline.com (al mitterling)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:20:50 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - November
	25, 2008
In-Reply-To: <28476374.1140251227589191889.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>
References: <28476374.1140251227589191889.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>
Message-ID: <314C251F4BD94FA3BAF9B004DF5C98DA@StarmanPC>

Hi Michael,

Good to see you back again and appreciate your post. Perhaps members here 
will have some new meteorite images to send on to you for posting on your 
site and to share with the rest of us. Your daily posts were missed!

--AL Mitterling
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Johnson" <michael at spacerocksinc.com>
To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:59 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - November 
25,2008


> http://www.spacerocksinc.com/November_25_2008.html 


From John at Cabassi.net  Tue Nov 25 10:27:15 2008
From: John at Cabassi.net (John.L.Cabassi)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:27:15 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day -
	November25, 2008
References: <28476374.1140251227589191889.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>
	<314C251F4BD94FA3BAF9B004DF5C98DA@StarmanPC>
Message-ID: <002201c94f12$53734a40$4564fea9@TITAN>

G'Day Michael
Great to see you back, look forward to my daily dose. I would like to add a 
big thank you to Mike G for filling in the gap with eye candy. A job well 
done.

Cheers
Johnno

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "al mitterling" <almitt at kconline.com>
To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - 
November25, 2008


> Hi Michael,
>
> Good to see you back again and appreciate your post. Perhaps members here 
> will have some new meteorite images to send on to you for posting on your 
> site and to share with the rest of us. Your daily posts were missed!
>
> --AL Mitterling
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Michael Johnson" <michael at spacerocksinc.com>
> To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:59 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - November 
> 25,2008
>
>
>> http://www.spacerocksinc.com/November_25_2008.html
>
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From daistiho at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 25 12:50:32 2008
From: daistiho at hotmail.com (tracy latimer)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:50:32 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - November
 25, 2008
In-Reply-To: <28476374.1140251227589191889.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>
References: <28476374.1140251227589191889.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL111-W60FDC6C3AA29E0A750C4ACCA0B0@phx.gbl>


Thank you and welcome back... RSPOD was seriously missed.  Is this the definition of addiction? :)

Tracy Latimer

> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:59:51 -0800
> From: michael at spacerocksinc.com
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - November 25,	2008
> 
> http://www.spacerocksinc.com/November_25_2008.html
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From mpg444 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 25 15:14:16 2008
From: mpg444 at yahoo.com (Mike Groetz)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:14:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Reward offered for meteorite find
Message-ID: <772298.72026.qm@web33008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

What is the relationship of this verses the meteorite being Canadian property? I really hope he is able to get some of it though if it can be found.

Mike


http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20081124/CGY_meteorite_reward_081124/20081124/?hub=CalgaryHome

Reward offered for meteorite find
Updated: Mon Nov. 24 2008 17:15:47


An Arizona meteorite hunter is offering a big reward for anyone who finds a piece of the giant fireball that blazed across Alberta last week. 

The incredible object from space lit up the night sky on Thursday and was the talk of Western Canadians and space enthusiasts around the world. 

Some experts believe the meteor fell east of Wainwright just across the border with Saskatchewan. 

Scientists and treasure hunters from across the province, including Calgary, are scouring that area trying to find the debris trail. 

Robert Haag, who runs a meteorite website in the U-S, says he'll pay 10 thousand dollars to the first person to find a piece. 

Meteorite hunting can be a lucrative trade. Haag estimates there could be as much as one million dollars worth of meteorites on the ground from this single meteor. A basketball-sized piece could sell for up to 50 thousand dollars.




      

From Metorman46 at aol.com  Tue Nov 25 15:14:59 2008
From: Metorman46 at aol.com (Metorman46 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:14:59 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - November 25,
	2008
Message-ID: <bea.300f977c.365db6c3@aol.com>

Hello Michael;

I have missed your  pod very much,good to see it again.Good luck and happy 
holidays.

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From tett at rogers.com  Tue Nov 25 18:09:44 2008
From: tett at rogers.com (tett)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:09:44 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Reward offered for meteorite find
References: <772298.72026.qm@web33008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4CD3B827D4484784BEB5BBC5051A592A@tett1>

Mike,

This meteorite will be protected by the Canadian Cultural and Heritage act. 
This means that it would be illegal to export any fragments or individuals 
without clearance from the Canadian government.  To get clearance you would 
need to apply to the government and then the government would need to make a 
counter offer equal to the market value of the meteorite.  If they do not 
make an offer then they are obligated to allow export.  I am told this would 
take about 6-8 months but could be a little longer.

It is legal to export Canadian meteorites but one must give the Canadian 
government first right of refusal.  At least, this is the way I understand 
things.

Cheers,

Mike Tettenborn
Owen Sound, Ontario


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Groetz" <mpg444 at yahoo.com>
To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 3:14 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Reward offered for meteorite find


> What is the relationship of this verses the meteorite being Canadian 
> property? I really hope he is able to get some of it though if it can be 
> found.
>
> Mike
>
>
> http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20081124/CGY_meteorite_reward_081124/20081124/?hub=CalgaryHome
>
> Reward offered for meteorite find
> Updated: Mon Nov. 24 2008 17:15:47
>
>
> An Arizona meteorite hunter is offering a big reward for anyone who finds 
> a piece of the giant fireball that blazed across Alberta last week.
>
> The incredible object from space lit up the night sky on Thursday and was 
> the talk of Western Canadians and space enthusiasts around the world.
>
> Some experts believe the meteor fell east of Wainwright just across the 
> border with Saskatchewan.
>
> Scientists and treasure hunters from across the province, including 
> Calgary, are scouring that area trying to find the debris trail.
>
> Robert Haag, who runs a meteorite website in the U-S, says he'll pay 10 
> thousand dollars to the first person to find a piece.
>
> Meteorite hunting can be a lucrative trade. Haag estimates there could be 
> as much as one million dollars worth of meteorites on the ground from this 
> single meteor. A basketball-sized piece could sell for up to 50 thousand 
> dollars.
>
>
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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From romanj at sympatico.ca  Tue Nov 25 21:03:01 2008
From: romanj at sympatico.ca (Roman)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 21:03:01 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Reward offered for meteorite find
References: <772298.72026.qm@web33008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4CD3B827D4484784BEB5BBC5051A592A@tett1>
Message-ID: <03a601c94f6b$1d006570$6400a8c0@compaqsdg7ojf0>

One definitely needs to apply for an export permit. If enough material made 
it to Canadian
institutions for study or the national collection, then a permit should be 
granted.
If not, then they can refuse the permit. My take on it.

Best regards,
Roman Jirasek


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "tett" <tett at rogers.com>
To: <mpg444 at yahoo.com>; "Meteorite List" 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Reward offered for meteorite find


> Mike,
>
> This meteorite will be protected by the Canadian Cultural and Heritage 
> act. This means that it would be illegal to export any fragments or 
> individuals without clearance from the Canadian government.  To get 
> clearance you would need to apply to the government and then the 
> government would need to make a counter offer equal to the market value of 
> the meteorite.  If they do not make an offer then they are obligated to 
> allow export.  I am told this would take about 6-8 months but could be a 
> little longer.
>
> It is legal to export Canadian meteorites but one must give the Canadian 
> government first right of refusal.  At least, this is the way I understand 
> things.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mike Tettenborn
> Owen Sound, Ontario
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike Groetz" <mpg444 at yahoo.com>
> To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 3:14 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Reward offered for meteorite find
>
>
>> What is the relationship of this verses the meteorite being Canadian 
>> property? I really hope he is able to get some of it though if it can be 
>> found.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20081124/CGY_meteorite_reward_081124/20081124/?hub=CalgaryHome
>>
>> Reward offered for meteorite find
>> Updated: Mon Nov. 24 2008 17:15:47
>>
>>
>> An Arizona meteorite hunter is offering a big reward for anyone who finds 
>> a piece of the giant fireball that blazed across Alberta last week.
>>
>> The incredible object from space lit up the night sky on Thursday and was 
>> the talk of Western Canadians and space enthusiasts around the world.
>>
>> Some experts believe the meteor fell east of Wainwright just across the 
>> border with Saskatchewan.
>>
>> Scientists and treasure hunters from across the province, including 
>> Calgary, are scouring that area trying to find the debris trail.
>>
>> Robert Haag, who runs a meteorite website in the U-S, says he'll pay 10 
>> thousand dollars to the first person to find a piece.
>>
>> Meteorite hunting can be a lucrative trade. Haag estimates there could be 
>> as much as one million dollars worth of meteorites on the ground from 
>> this single meteor. A basketball-sized piece could sell for up to 50 
>> thousand dollars.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
>
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From hodgjt at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 25 22:00:14 2008
From: hodgjt at yahoo.com (jeff hodges)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:00:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Please visit my new thin section photography &
	collection website
Message-ID: <45209.82616.qm@web36705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Good evening All,

I?just finished working on?my new website to display my thin section collection and photography. So far I have photos up for 18 meteorites. Enjoy.

Jeff Hodges

go to: www.meteoritethinsectiongallery.com  

then click on: alphabetical index.




      

From midwest at meteorman.org  Tue Nov 25 22:05:32 2008
From: midwest at meteorman.org (Timothy Heitz)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 21:05:32 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Please visit my new thin section photography
	&collection website
References: <45209.82616.qm@web36705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DB9B4DE4A87C4ADDBC8BBDED30F2FD10@den>

Jeff,

Very nice work, congrads!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tim Heitz



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jeff hodges" <hodgjt at yahoo.com>
To: "meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 9:00 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Please visit my new thin section photography 
&collection website


Good evening All,

I just finished working on my new website to display my thin section 
collection and photography. So far I have photos up for 18 meteorites. 
Enjoy.

Jeff Hodges

go to: www.meteoritethinsectiongallery.com

then click on: alphabetical index.





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From tett at rogers.com  Tue Nov 25 22:14:10 2008
From: tett at rogers.com (tett)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 22:14:10 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Please visit my new thin section photography
	&collection website
References: <45209.82616.qm@web36705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F67399FA0A184274A2890B7075C30E31@tett1>

Jeff,

Outstanding!

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jeff hodges" <hodgjt at yahoo.com>
To: "meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 10:00 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Please visit my new thin section photography 
&collection website


Good evening All,

I just finished working on my new website to display my thin section 
collection and photography. So far I have photos up for 18 meteorites. 
Enjoy.

Jeff Hodges

go to: www.meteoritethinsectiongallery.com

then click on: alphabetical index.





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From cynapse at charter.net  Tue Nov 25 23:50:53 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 23:50:53 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] low flying asteroid
In-Reply-To: <336320.31536.qm@web57808.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <336320.31536.qm@web57808.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <57lpi41o4aoeh96krgfls3t7ruubcj32jp@4ax.com>

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=dd5cc5ac-5fde-4a7b-827b-f2e14c5a1bab

10-tonne space rock lit up Prairie skies
Canwest News Service
Published: Tuesday, November 25, 2008

SASKATOON - A fireball that lit up the skies of Alberta and Saskatchewan last
Thursday evening was a chunk of low-flying asteroid that weighed about 10 tonnes
before it struck Earth's atmosphere, according to a University of Calgary
investigation.

University of Calgary researcher Alan Hildebrand has outlined a region in
western Saskatchewan where he expects to find desk-sized fragments of the space
rock.

According to the university, the fireball first appeared about 80 kilometres
above and just east of the city of Lloydminster, right on the
Alberta-Saskatchewan border. 

It travelled southeast over Saskatchewan towards the Battle River valley before
it blew apart in a spectacular series of mid-air explosions.

The fireball pierced the atmosphere at a steep angle of about 60 degrees off the
horizontal and lasted about five seconds.

The fireball was recorded on all-sky and security cameras scattered across
Saskatchewan and Alberta and was witnessed by tens of thousands of people who
saw it streak across the sky.

Hildebrand said the fireball was like a billion-watt light bulb, turning night
into day with a bluish-white light. It illuminated the ground for several
hundred kilometres in all directions, shedding its intense light as far south as
Vauxhall, Alta., about 200 kilometres southeast of Calgary.

Hildebrand said the fragments most likely fell to earth in the Manitou Lake
Rural Municipality region, about 300 kilometres northwest of Saskatoon.

He urged residents to keep a sharp eye out for any of the dark, dense, usually
dimpled rocks scattered over the suspected meteorite field where chunks likely
came to rest.

He said as many as 1,000 meteorites may have landed in the field, which he's
narrowed down to a rectangle about eight kilometres long and three kilometres
wide.

"We're looking for more possible witnesses. We're going to alert the people in
that rectangle that they might have meteorites on their land," he said.

Hildebrand estimates hundreds of meteorites larger than 50 grams could have
landed, since the rock was large and it was moving relatively slowly when it
entered the atmosphere - 14 kilometres per second, instead of the average entry
speed of 20 kilometres per second.

The meteorites have "substantial commercial value" and are the property of the
landowner where they fall, Hildebrand said.

If the rocks are meteorites of common asteroids, they will be denser than the
average rock, dark grey or black with an unusual pockmarked exterior, and
usually will weakly attract a magnet, he said, noting other types of meteorites
are possible.

"We are now starting to reasonably constrain where the meteorites will have
fallen. Many witnesses reported seeing a cluster of red fragments continuing
downward in the sky after the fireball exploded. These represent the rocks
slowing down that will eventually fall to the ground as meteorites," Hildebrand
said.

"An outstanding thing about this fireball is that so many red fragments were
seen and that they travelled so low to the ground before becoming invisible in
the darkness."

Meanwhile, a University of Alberta researcher plans to use new laser technology
to help locate meteorite craters.

Dr. Chris Herd, a researcher at the department of Earth and Atmospheric
Sciences, says light detection and ranging (LiDAR) technology can clear trees
and other interference from aerial photographs to reveal hidden craters.

"You can just extract all the vegetation in a virtual sense, leaving the bare
surface behind, and that exposes the crater in beautiful detail for us," said
Herd.

Already used for forestry surveys, LiDAR employs a laser mounted in an aircraft
which is beamed at the ground. The technology allows researchers to strip off
the images of trees, leaving the crater exposed.

Because Thursday's meteor broke up into pieces and scattered over a large area,
it's unlikely it created an impact crater, Herd said.

Still, he has tips for those who may come across the remains.

"The best thing to do, for scientific reasons, is to not handle it directly with
hands, and to pick it up with a bag or even a piece of aluminum, store it in
that and go from there."

From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Wed Nov 26 00:00:25 2008
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 21:00:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - November 26,
	2008
Message-ID: <2970689.1256911227675625742.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>

http://www.spacerocksinc.com/November_26_2008.html


From Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr  Wed Nov 26 05:55:16 2008
From: Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr (Zelimir Gabelica)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:55:16 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 3144 - Grein 004
In-Reply-To: <215820.30445.qm@web58402.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.138.1227052988.1545.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20081126115005.0133df60@pop.univ-mulhouse.fr>

Hi List,

Heredown is a message of Roger Warin (Belgium) that he apparently can not 
send through his server.

I have my own question:
does anybody know the official status of meteorite "Grein 004"  ? (not in 
Met. Bull.)

Thanks!

Zelimir
----------------------

Hello List,

I have put some pics of NWA 3144 (CV3) thin sections on our local site.
See here:
http://www.agab.be/meteorites/Thin/thin.html

Met. Bull. reports that this meteorite (found or purchased by the Hup?s) 
still has a provisional status.
I'd be glad to learn more about this meteorite.
Could someone provide some data (if any) or send further comments on its 
status ?
Thanks and all the best,

Roger.



Prof. Zelimir Gabelica
Universit? de Haute Alsace
ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC,
3, Rue A. Werner,
F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France
Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94
Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15


From tett at rogers.com  Wed Nov 26 06:22:48 2008
From: tett at rogers.com (tett)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 06:22:48 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Reward offered for meteorite find
References: <772298.72026.qm@web33008.mail.mud.yahoo.com><4CD3B827D4484784BEB5BBC5051A592A@tett1>
	<03a601c94f6b$1d006570$6400a8c0@compaqsdg7ojf0>
Message-ID: <EA79FA67255F4DDA873B85E5DF13C333@tett1>

Roman,

Yes, if there is lots of material in Canadian institutions then it will be 
much easier to get a permit.  But, in the end, one will always be able to 
sell a Canadian meteorite.

See this link: 
http://easweb.eas.ualberta.ca/download/file/meteorite_regulations.pdf

Mike

P.S.: The two big lads are flying west tomorrow morning.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roman" <romanj at sympatico.ca>
To: "metlist" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Reward offered for meteorite find


> One definitely needs to apply for an export permit. If enough material 
> made it to Canadian
> institutions for study or the national collection, then a permit should be 
> granted.
> If not, then they can refuse the permit. My take on it.
>
> Best regards,
> Roman Jirasek
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "tett" <tett at rogers.com>
> To: <mpg444 at yahoo.com>; "Meteorite List" 
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 6:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Reward offered for meteorite find
>
>
>> Mike,
>>
>> This meteorite will be protected by the Canadian Cultural and Heritage 
>> act. This means that it would be illegal to export any fragments or 
>> individuals without clearance from the Canadian government.  To get 
>> clearance you would need to apply to the government and then the 
>> government would need to make a counter offer equal to the market value 
>> of the meteorite.  If they do not make an offer then they are obligated 
>> to allow export.  I am told this would take about 6-8 months but could be 
>> a little longer.
>>
>> It is legal to export Canadian meteorites but one must give the Canadian 
>> government first right of refusal.  At least, this is the way I 
>> understand things.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Mike Tettenborn
>> Owen Sound, Ontario
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Mike Groetz" <mpg444 at yahoo.com>
>> To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 3:14 PM
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Reward offered for meteorite find
>>
>>
>>> What is the relationship of this verses the meteorite being Canadian 
>>> property? I really hope he is able to get some of it though if it can be 
>>> found.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20081124/CGY_meteorite_reward_081124/20081124/?hub=CalgaryHome
>>>
>>> Reward offered for meteorite find
>>> Updated: Mon Nov. 24 2008 17:15:47
>>>
>>>
>>> An Arizona meteorite hunter is offering a big reward for anyone who 
>>> finds a piece of the giant fireball that blazed across Alberta last 
>>> week.
>>>
>>> The incredible object from space lit up the night sky on Thursday and 
>>> was the talk of Western Canadians and space enthusiasts around the 
>>> world.
>>>
>>> Some experts believe the meteor fell east of Wainwright just across the 
>>> border with Saskatchewan.
>>>
>>> Scientists and treasure hunters from across the province, including 
>>> Calgary, are scouring that area trying to find the debris trail.
>>>
>>> Robert Haag, who runs a meteorite website in the U-S, says he'll pay 10 
>>> thousand dollars to the first person to find a piece.
>>>
>>> Meteorite hunting can be a lucrative trade. Haag estimates there could 
>>> be as much as one million dollars worth of meteorites on the ground from 
>>> this single meteor. A basketball-sized piece could sell for up to 50 
>>> thousand dollars.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________
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>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
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From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Wed Nov 26 06:19:18 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 26 Nov 2008 11:19:18 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Please visit my new thin section photography &
	collection website
Message-ID: <DIIE.000000A3000035CD@paulinet.de>

Jeff wrote:

I just finished working on my new website to display my thin section 
collection and photography. So far I have photos up for 18 meteorites. 

I did enjoy the photographic journey through
your meteorite thin section collection. Thank
you very much for sharing!

Bernd

www.meteoritethinsectiongallery.com  


From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Wed Nov 26 06:39:24 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 26 Nov 2008 11:39:24 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 3144 - Grein 004
Message-ID: <DIIE.00000063000035D2@paulinet.de>

Hi Z?limir and List,

> does anybody know the official status of
> meteorite "Grein 004"? (not in Met.Bull.)

On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Norbert Classen wrote this to the List:

"Grein 004" as well as "Tenere 001" are just synonyms for the
Tafassasset Freiburg mass, a single stone weighing 3610 grams.
It's no pairing.

Best,

Bernd


To: Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr
    meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com


From Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr  Wed Nov 26 11:51:22 2008
From: Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr (Zelimir Gabelica)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:51:22 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grein 004/Tafassasset
In-Reply-To: <7359CADBB6A64D9ABB0255CB70278CBF@lunatic>
References: <5.0.2.1.2.20081126115005.0133df60@pop.univ-mulhouse.fr>
	<mailman.138.1227052988.1545.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
	<5.0.2.1.2.20081126115005.0133df60@pop.univ-mulhouse.fr>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20081126171120.02935a80@pop.univ-mulhouse.fr>

Hi Norbert, Bernd, Harald, List,

Thank you very much for the info about "Grein 004/Tenere 001/Tafa".
I indeed read that somewhere sometimes but I have not my archives on hand 
here in France (BM Met. Catalog (Grady) indeed currently gives most of the 
meteorite synonyms).

Bernd said:

"Grein 004" as well as "Tenere 001" are just synonyms for the
Tafassasset Freiburg mass, a single stone weighing 3610 grams.
It's no pairing.

Bernd, Norbert, does that mean that the tkw for Tafassasset is then 110 kg 
(Franch find) + 3.61 kg ("Grein 004") = 113.61 kg ? (thus 27 at 113.61kg  and 
not 26 at 110 kg as in "A to Z" ?).
Met. Bull. indeed reports the tkw as 114 kg (approx), which well fits the 
figure.

The official type so far is CR-an (Met. Bull.), or PAUNGR ("A to Z"). Do 
you agree ?
I know that both meteorites were studied separately and that the real type 
could not be defined.

Note that Weir (his web site) reports, for T-1 (= Tenere 001), a total 
weight of exactly 3.636 kg, also that is "brachinite-related" and that Tafa 
itself (separately listed by Weir but said being paired with T-1) is a 
"PAUNGR, possibly CR-related".
More recent studies seem to still question that CR-relation...

I understand the real type is yet to be defined and that the tkw is close 
to 27 at 114 kg, more specifically 12 at 113.636 kg

Norbert, do you think Prof Otto knows more on that or whether they continue 
to study this meteorite in Freiburg ?

And Bernd, what you mean by "it's no pairing" ? Everybody seems to agree so 
far that the "Freiburg mass" is also Tafa. (?)

All my best,

Zelimir


A 12:19 26/11/2008 +0100, vous avez ?crit :
>Hi Zelimir,
>
>I don't know for NWA 3144, but "Grein 004" is a synonym for Tafassasset -
>I'm pretty sure of that. "Grein 004" was a working name used for the smaller
>mass which was later named as the Tafassasset "Freiburg mass", classified
>and studied by my friend Dr. Otto in Freiburg. You might want to contact
>Juergen Otto in this matter, just to make sure - he can be reached at
>Juergen.Otto at minpet.uni-freiburg.de
>
>Hope this helps...
>
>All the best,
>Norbert
>
>-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>
>Hi List,
>
>Heredown is a message of Roger Warin (Belgium) that he apparently can not
>send through his server.
>
>I have my own question:
>does anybody know the official status of meteorite "Grein 004"  ? (not in
>Met. Bull.)
>
>Thanks!
>
>Zelimir
>----------------------
>
>Hello List,
>
>I have put some pics of NWA 3144 (CV3) thin sections on our local site.
>See here:
>http://www.agab.be/meteorites/Thin/thin.html
>
>Met. Bull. reports that this meteorite (found or purchased by the Hup?s)
>still has a provisional status.
>I'd be glad to learn more about this meteorite.
>Could someone provide some data (if any) or send further comments on its
>status ?
>Thanks and all the best,
>
>Roger.
>
>
>
>Prof. Zelimir Gabelica
>Universit? de Haute Alsace
>ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC,
>3, Rue A. Werner,
>F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France
>Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94
>Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15
>
>______________________________________________
>http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>Meteorite-list mailing list
>Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list

Prof. Zelimir Gabelica
Universit? de Haute Alsace
ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC,
3, Rue A. Werner,
F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France
Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94
Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15


From bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 26 12:23:51 2008
From: bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com (mckinney trammell)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 09:23:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] 2 g claxton for trade for NWA slice
Message-ID: <716544.21714.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

2.1 g claxton slice w/ crusted edge for trade for plate-sized NWA UNCLASSIFIED, SOLID slice, 1/4" thick, no cracks. must have metal flakes. please email off list w/ pix. will also consider 20g + marjahlati slice or large seymchan slice w/ green olivine, 1/4" thick, more metal than crystals. 


      

From bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 26 12:25:26 2008
From: bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com (mckinney trammell)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 09:25:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] udei station +marjahlati pix?
Message-ID: <114943.43441.qm@web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

anybody got pix of any of these with FUSION CRUST? or did they just all fall as etched slices?


      

From grf2 at verizon.net  Wed Nov 26 12:46:25 2008
From: grf2 at verizon.net (Jerry Flaherty)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 12:46:25 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - November
 26, 2008
References: <2970689.1256911227675625742.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>
Message-ID: <74E725750CDD41A1A673DDC4A49891E7@ASUS>

Thank you again Michael.
I think that more folks on the list would like to help you continue to roll 
out this daily service. If they visit your site they'll become aware that 
you do this on your own and barely hint that a small donation will help. 
That and a continuous input by them of their favorites to feed the process 
all helps to produce our daily fix.
Jerry Flaherty
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Johnson" <michael at spacerocksinc.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:00 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - November 
26,2008


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From meteoriteshow at free.fr  Wed Nov 26 13:02:10 2008
From: meteoriteshow at free.fr (meteoriteshow at free.fr)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 19:02:10 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - ebay Auctions ending on Saturday
Message-ID: <1227722530.492d8f2256773@imp.free.fr>

Dear All,

Our auctions will sart ending on Saturday, some of them still at the starting
price of $1.00 US at the time i start writing this email and as usual they can
be seen at: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmeteoriteshow.

They include:

1/ DAG 573 L4 - 13.9g full slice, still at starting price...
http://cgi.ebay.com/METEORITE-DAG-573-L4-13-9g-full-slice_W0QQitemZ330286844519QQihZ014QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

2/ HaH299 H6 - 10.7g endcut, still at a very low price of $1.25 so far!
http://cgi.ebay.com/METEORITE-HaH299-H6-10-7g-endcut_W0QQitemZ330286844572QQihZ014QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

3/ NWA XXX - 0.3g partslice - HOWARDITE, a small piece for lower budget, still
at starting price and not even 1 bid yet!!!

4/ NWA XXX - 6.5g Partslice - HOWARDITE, a larger and gorgeous partslice of this
beautiful and VERY FRESH howardite according to the lab that is still working on
its classification. You should not miss this opportunity...
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5/ SAH 02503 CV3 - 2.1g partslice. This is really a beautiful CV3, with sharply
defined chondrule and CAIs in the dark grey matrix... The price of $2.25 tha has
been reached so far is providing you the chance of a great deal!
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6/ SET OF 7 NWA OCs - FUSION CRUST - 48.1g, complete individuals
L & H estimated and 2 of them LL estimated, 3 very fresh ones
Have a look, some can be ORIENTED!!!
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7/ TATAHOUINE DIO - 1.5g - WITNESSED FALL!, 4 fragments for a total weight of
1.5g, and also still at starting price.
http://cgi.ebay.com/METEORITE-TATAHOUINE-DIO-1-5g-WITNESSED-FALL_W0QQitemZ330286844979QQihZ014QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Thanks again and kind regards!

Frederic Beroud
www.meteoriteshow.com
IMCA #2491

From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Wed Nov 26 13:01:43 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 26 Nov 2008 18:01:43 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grein 004/Tafassasset
Message-ID: <DIIE.00000061000035D7@paulinet.de>

Hi All,

"And Bernd, what you mean by "it's no pairing" ? Everybody
seems to agree so far that the "Freiburg mass" is also Tafa. (?)"

Z?limir, that's a misunderstanding! I only quoted what
Norbert wrote to the List. These are not my words!

Best,

Bernd




To: Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr
    meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Cc: riffraff at timewarp.de
    dellenit at aon.at
    Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr


From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Wed Nov 26 13:05:17 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 26 Nov 2008 18:05:17 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Donation(s)
Message-ID: <DIIE.00000060000035DA@paulinet.de>

Hi again,

Jerry wrote: 

"you do this on your own and barely hint that a small donation will help. 
That and a continuous input by them of their favorites to feed the process 
all helps to produce our daily fix."

Aye, Aye !!!

Bernd

To: grf2 at verizon.net
    michael at spacerocksinc.com
    meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com


From nwa482 at comcast.net  Wed Nov 26 13:33:11 2008
From: nwa482 at comcast.net (Jim Strope)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 13:33:11 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - November
	26, 2008
Message-ID: <ED5B6AF9605F448A8575D3F9E227C8E0@DJQVK441>

I know it is not obvious from Michael's dailing posting page so here is a 
link for those who want to donate:

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/donations.html


Jim Strope
421 Fourth Street
Glen Dale, WV  26038

http://www.catchafallingstar.com

--- On Wed, 11/26/08, Jerry Flaherty <grf2 at verizon.net> wrote:

> From: Jerry Flaherty <grf2 at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - 
> November 26, 2008
> To: "Michael Johnson" <michael at spacerocksinc.com>, "Meteorite List" 
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 12:46 PM
> Thank you again Michael.
> I think that more folks on the list would like to help you
> continue to roll out this daily service. If they visit your
> site they'll become aware that you do this on your own
> and barely hint that a small donation will help. That and a
> continuous input by them of their favorites to feed the
> process all helps to produce our daily fix.
> Jerry Flaherty


From STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com  Wed Nov 26 13:52:15 2008
From: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com (STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 13:52:15 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day My thoughts
Message-ID: <ca6.3ac4a402.365ef4df@aol.com>

I agree,  Michael does us all a favor  nearly every day.  

My suggestion is that we all ask our selves when  we make a submission to 
Michael for inclusion in his site: Is our submission  just to share with all or 
are we promoting material we may have for  sale?

If we are using his service as an advertisement then send some $  his way.  I 
have talked to Michael and he is not doing the POD for profit,  but there are 
ongoing costs to maintaining a site with the large amount of  images he hosts.

I have a large image Gallery of micrographs.  I am  lucky that Meteorite 
Times is the host of it.  If I had to maintain it and  pay for the cost of keeping 
it free and available to every one, I would of  closed it down long ago.  
Paul (Meteorite Times) puts in a huge amount of  work into the updates and 
maintenance of my Gallery and I am sure Michael has  just as much work maintaining 
his site.

I am in no way speaking for any  one!!!  These are just my thoughts on the 
subject.

Tom  Phillips


In a message dated 11/26/2008 10:46:47 A.M. Mountain  Standard Time, 
grf2 at verizon.net writes:
Thank you again Michael.
I think  that more folks on the list would like to help you continue to roll 
out this  daily service. If they visit your site they'll become aware that 
you do this  on your own and barely hint that a small donation will help. 
That and a  continuous input by them of their favorites to feed the process 
all helps to  produce our daily fix.
Jerry Flaherty
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Sent: Wednesday, November  26, 2008 12:00 AM
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From Impactika at aol.com  Wed Nov 26 13:55:32 2008
From: Impactika at aol.com (Impactika at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 13:55:32 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grein 004/Tafassasset
Message-ID: <d27.1f1adc88.365ef5a4@aol.com>

Hello Zelimir, Norbert and all,

In a very recent conversation Tony Irving told me that he was re-doing the 
classification of Tafassasset with Ted Bunch, and that the results would be 
published in a formal paper. I belive they are practically done so  the new 
classification should be announced pretty soon. 
And it is not bracchinite or CR6, and it is very interesting, but I would 
prefer to let them tell the story themselves. 

More soon.
 
Anne M. Black
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Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
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In a message dated 11/26/2008 9:52:23 AM Mountain Standard Time, 
Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr writes:
Hi Norbert, Bernd, Harald, List,

Thank you very much for the info about "Grein 004/Tenere 001/Tafa".
I indeed read that somewhere sometimes but I have not my archives on hand 
here in France (BM Met. Catalog (Grady) indeed currently gives most of the 
meteorite synonyms).

Bernd said:

"Grein 004" as well as "Tenere 001" are just synonyms for the
Tafassasset Freiburg mass, a single stone weighing 3610 grams.
It's no pairing.

Bernd, Norbert, does that mean that the tkw for Tafassasset is then 110 kg 
(Franch find) + 3.61 kg ("Grein 004") = 113.61 kg ? (thus 27 at 113.61kg  and 
not 26 at 110 kg as in "A to Z" ?).
Met. Bull. indeed reports the tkw as 114 kg (approx), which well fits the 
figure.

The official type so far is CR-an (Met. Bull.), or PAUNGR ("A to Z"). Do 
you agree ?
I know that both meteorites were studied separately and that the real type 
could not be defined.

Note that Weir (his web site) reports, for T-1 (= Tenere 001), a total 
weight of exactly 3.636 kg, also that is "brachinite-related" and that Tafa 
itself (separately listed by Weir but said being paired with T-1) is a 
"PAUNGR, possibly CR-related".
More recent studies seem to still question that CR-relation...

I understand the real type is yet to be defined and that the tkw is close 
to 27 at 114 kg, more specifically 12 at 113.636 kg

Norbert, do you think Prof Otto knows more on that or whether they continue 
to study this meteorite in Freiburg ?

And Bernd, what you mean by "it's no pairing" ? Everybody seems to agree so 
far that the "Freiburg mass" is also Tafa. (?)

All my best,

Zelimir


A 12:19 26/11/2008 +0100, vous avez ?crit :
>Hi Zelimir,
>
>I don't know for NWA 3144, but "Grein 004" is a synonym for Tafassasset -
>I'm pretty sure of that. "Grein 004" was a working name used for the smaller
>mass which was later named as the Tafassasset "Freiburg mass", classified
>and studied by my friend Dr. Otto in Freiburg. You might want to contact
>Juergen Otto in this matter, just to make sure - he can be reached at
>Juergen.Otto at minpet.uni-freiburg.de
>
>Hope this helps...
>
>All the best,
>Norbert
>

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From holmesw at frontiernet.net  Wed Nov 26 14:38:43 2008
From: holmesw at frontiernet.net (Wayne Holmes)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 12:38:43 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Test
Message-ID: <004101c94ffe$98154cb0$01fea8c0@Buckaroos>

Test/Test
Wayne

From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Wed Nov 26 14:56:43 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:56:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Second Group of Mercury Craters Named (MESSENGER)
Message-ID: <200811261956.LAA16220@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/news_room/details.php?id=115

MESSENGER Mission News
November 26, 2008

Second Group of Mercury Craters Named

The International Astronomical Union (IAU) recently approved a proposal
from the MESSENGER Science Team to name 15 craters on Mercury. All of
the newly named craters were imaged during the mission's first flyby of
the solar system's innermost planet in January 2008.

The IAU has been the arbiter of planetary and satellite nomenclature
since its inception in 1919. In keeping with the established naming
theme for craters on Mercury, all of the craters are named after famous
deceased artists, musicians, or authors.

"We're pleased that the IAU has again acted promptly to approve this new
set of names for prominent craters on Mercury," says MESSENGER Principal
Investigator Sean Solomon of the Carnegie Institution of Washington.
"These latest names honor a diverse suite of some of the most
accomplished contributors to mankind's higher aspirations. They also
make it much easier for planetary scientists to refer to major features
on Mercury in talks and publications."

The newly named craters include:
o Amaral, after Tarsila do Amaral of Brazil, considered one of the
leading Latin American modernist artists.
o Dal?, after Salvador Dal?, a Spanish painter and leader of the
Surrealist Movement.
o Enwonwu, after sculptor and painter Benedict Chukwukadibia Enwonwu,
the most renowned Nigerian artist of the 20th century.
o Glinka, after Mikhail Glinka, a Russian composer considered to be the
"father" of genuinely Russian music.
o Hovnatanian, after Hakop Hovnatanian, an Armenian painter known for
his portraits.
o Beckett, after Clarice Beckett, recognized as one of Australia's most
important modernist artists.
o Moody, after Ronald Moody, a self-taught, Jamaica-born sculptor and
painter who found success in mid-20th-century London and Paris.
o Munch, after Edvard Munch, a Norwegian Symbolist painter, printmaker,
and draftsman, perhaps most well-known for his painting The Scream.
o Navoi, after Alisher Navoi, a 15th century Uzbek poet, considered by
many to be the founder of early Turkic literature.
o Nawahi, after Joseph Nawahi, a self-taught artist, lawyer, educator,
publisher, member of the Hawaiian legislature for many years, and
principal adviser to Hawaii's Queen Lili'uokalani.
o Oskison, after John Milton Oskison, a Cherokee author who served as
editor and editorial writer for the New York Evening Post.
o Poe, after Edgar Allan Poe, American poet, critic, editor, and author.
Best known for his tales of mystery and the macabre.
o Qi Baishi, after Qi Baishi, a renowned Chinese painter known for his
whimsical water colors.
o Raden Saleh, after Raden Saleh, a 19th century Javanese naturalist
painter considered to be the first modern artist from what is now Indonesia.
o Sher-Gil, after Amrita Sher-Gil, an eminent Indian painter, today
considered an important female painter of 20th-century India.

"It was quite enjoyable to consider candidate names from among the
world's most accomplished people in the arts and humanities," says
MESSENGER Participating Scientist Dave Blewett, of the Johns Hopkins
University Applied Physics Laboratory, in Laurel, Md. "It's also
gratifying to have the IAU approve names that have meaning to the team
members. For example, the crater Poe (named for Edgar Allan Poe) was a
popular choice, as he happens to be a local favorite because of his
Baltimore ties.

"Having names for many of the prominent craters will help us to remember
and discuss specific locations in this previously 'undiscovered
country,'" adds Blewett.

An image of Mercury showing the locations of the newly named features is
available online at
http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/gallery/sciencePhotos/image.php?gallery_id=2&image_id=276.

The addition of these craters, along with the 12 features named in
April, brings the total to 27 newly named surface features for Mercury
in 2008. In September 2009 MESSENGER will complete a third and final
flyby of Mercury before becoming the first spacecraft to orbit the
planet, beginning in March 2011.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

MESSENGER (MErcury Surface, Space ENvironment, GEochemistry, and
Ranging) is a NASA-sponsored scientific investigation of the planet
Mercury and the first space mission designed to orbit the planet closest
to the Sun. The MESSENGER spacecraft launched on August 3, 2004, and
after flybys of Earth, Venus, and Mercury will start a yearlong study of
its target planet in March 2011. Dr. Sean C. Solomon, of the Carnegie
Institution of Washington, leads the mission as principal investigator. 
The Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory built and 
operates the MESSENGER spacecraft and manages this Discovery -class 
mission for NASA.




From riffraff at timewarp.de  Wed Nov 26 16:23:14 2008
From: riffraff at timewarp.de (Norbert Classen)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 22:23:14 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grein 004/Tafassasset
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20081126171120.02935a80@pop.univ-mulhouse.fr>
References: <5.0.2.1.2.20081126115005.0133df60@pop.univ-mulhouse.fr>
	<mailman.138.1227052988.1545.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
	<5.0.2.1.2.20081126115005.0133df60@pop.univ-mulhouse.fr>
	<5.0.2.1.2.20081126171120.02935a80@pop.univ-mulhouse.fr>
Message-ID: <F2B09BBD7B08468BB5053F46EC687A7E@lunatic>

Dear Zelimir,

Yes, the "Freiburg mass" surely is Tafassasset - no doubt about that. And
Dr. Otto won't do any further work on it because he emerited from Freiburg
University in the meantime. But if you like to ask him for details about the
Freiburg mass I'm sure he is willing to provide you with a wealth of
information :-)

Best,
Norbert

PS: You are absolutely correct about the TKW of Tafassasset - the original
MetBull includes both, the Freiburg mass, and the additional masses that
were studies in France. 

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Zelimir Gabelica [mailto:Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr] 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. November 2008 17:51
An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Cc: Norbert Classen; dellenit at aon.at; bernd.pauli at paulinet.de; Zelimir
Gabelica
Betreff: Grein 004/Tafassasset

Hi Norbert, Bernd, Harald, List,

Thank you very much for the info about "Grein 004/Tenere 001/Tafa".
I indeed read that somewhere sometimes but I have not my archives on hand
here in France (BM Met. Catalog (Grady) indeed currently gives most of the
meteorite synonyms).

Bernd said:

"Grein 004" as well as "Tenere 001" are just synonyms for the Tafassasset
Freiburg mass, a single stone weighing 3610 grams.
It's no pairing.

Bernd, Norbert, does that mean that the tkw for Tafassasset is then 110 kg
(Franch find) + 3.61 kg ("Grein 004") = 113.61 kg ? (thus 27 at 113.61kg  and
not 26 at 110 kg as in "A to Z" ?).
Met. Bull. indeed reports the tkw as 114 kg (approx), which well fits the
figure.

The official type so far is CR-an (Met. Bull.), or PAUNGR ("A to Z"). Do you
agree ?
I know that both meteorites were studied separately and that the real type
could not be defined.

Note that Weir (his web site) reports, for T-1 (= Tenere 001), a total
weight of exactly 3.636 kg, also that is "brachinite-related" and that Tafa
itself (separately listed by Weir but said being paired with T-1) is a
"PAUNGR, possibly CR-related".
More recent studies seem to still question that CR-relation...

I understand the real type is yet to be defined and that the tkw is close to
27 at 114 kg, more specifically 12 at 113.636 kg

Norbert, do you think Prof Otto knows more on that or whether they continue
to study this meteorite in Freiburg ?

And Bernd, what you mean by "it's no pairing" ? Everybody seems to agree so
far that the "Freiburg mass" is also Tafa. (?)

All my best,

Zelimir


A 12:19 26/11/2008 +0100, vous avez ?crit :
>Hi Zelimir,
>
>I don't know for NWA 3144, but "Grein 004" is a synonym for Tafassasset 
>- I'm pretty sure of that. "Grein 004" was a working name used for the 
>smaller mass which was later named as the Tafassasset "Freiburg mass", 
>classified and studied by my friend Dr. Otto in Freiburg. You might 
>want to contact Juergen Otto in this matter, just to make sure - he can 
>be reached at Juergen.Otto at minpet.uni-freiburg.de
>
>Hope this helps...
>
>All the best,
>Norbert
>
>-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>
>Hi List,
>
>Heredown is a message of Roger Warin (Belgium) that he apparently can 
>not send through his server.
>
>I have my own question:
>does anybody know the official status of meteorite "Grein 004"  ? (not 
>in Met. Bull.)
>
>Thanks!
>
>Zelimir
>----------------------
>
>Hello List,
>
>I have put some pics of NWA 3144 (CV3) thin sections on our local site.
>See here:
>http://www.agab.be/meteorites/Thin/thin.html
>
>Met. Bull. reports that this meteorite (found or purchased by the 
>Hup?s) still has a provisional status.
>I'd be glad to learn more about this meteorite.
>Could someone provide some data (if any) or send further comments on 
>its status ?
>Thanks and all the best,
>
>Roger.
>
>
>
>Prof. Zelimir Gabelica
>Universit? de Haute Alsace
>ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC,
>3, Rue A. Werner,
>F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France
>Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94
>Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15
>
>______________________________________________
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Prof. Zelimir Gabelica
Universit? de Haute Alsace
ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC,
3, Rue A. Werner,
F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France
Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94
Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15


From mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com  Wed Nov 26 17:11:58 2008
From: mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com (mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 22:11:58 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Largest fall in the world?
Message-ID: <1812176518-1227737698-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-573716010-@bxe202.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Am wondering what is the largest fall, in terms of kg, ever witnessed? Was it Sikhote-Alin at 28 tons??

Matt
----------------------
Matt Morgan
Mile High Meteorites
http://www.mhmeteorites.com
P.O. Box 151293
Lakewood, CO 80215 USA

From clp at alumni.caltech.edu  Wed Nov 26 17:29:50 2008
From: clp at alumni.caltech.edu (Chris Peterson)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 15:29:50 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Largest fall in the world?
References: <1812176518-1227737698-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-573716010-@bxe202.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <CAB0B56AD32D475E94FD4E7EA26FBA4E@bellatrix>

Does "witnessed by dinosaurs" count? <g>

Chris

*****************************************
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 3:11 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Largest fall in the world?


> Am wondering what is the largest fall, in terms of kg, ever witnessed? Was 
> it Sikhote-Alin at 28 tons??
>
> Matt


From majbaermann at web.de  Wed Nov 26 17:49:06 2008
From: majbaermann at web.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Matthias_B=E4rmann?=)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:49:06 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grein 004/Tafassasset
References: <d27.1f1adc88.365ef5a4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4AC96580804943F59586BA1E4C2F6B08@thinkcentre>

O please, Anne, spare us such a thrill.

My Tafa-slice longs for knowing what it definitely is.

My best,

Matthias

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Impactika at aol.com>
To: <Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr>; <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Cc: <riffraff at timewarp.de>; <bernd.pauli at paulinet.de>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Grein 004/Tafassasset


Hello Zelimir, Norbert and all,

In a very recent conversation Tony Irving told me that he was re-doing the
classification of Tafassasset with Ted Bunch, and that the results would be
published in a formal paper. I belive they are practically done so  the new
classification should be announced pretty soon.
And it is not bracchinite or CR6, and it is very interesting, but I would
prefer to let them tell the story themselves.

More soon.

Anne M. Black
_http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/)
_IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com)
Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
_http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/)



In a message dated 11/26/2008 9:52:23 AM Mountain Standard Time,
Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr writes:
Hi Norbert, Bernd, Harald, List,

Thank you very much for the info about "Grein 004/Tenere 001/Tafa".
I indeed read that somewhere sometimes but I have not my archives on hand
here in France (BM Met. Catalog (Grady) indeed currently gives most of the
meteorite synonyms).

Bernd said:

"Grein 004" as well as "Tenere 001" are just synonyms for the
Tafassasset Freiburg mass, a single stone weighing 3610 grams.
It's no pairing.

Bernd, Norbert, does that mean that the tkw for Tafassasset is then 110 kg
(Franch find) + 3.61 kg ("Grein 004") = 113.61 kg ? (thus 27 at 113.61kg  and
not 26 at 110 kg as in "A to Z" ?).
Met. Bull. indeed reports the tkw as 114 kg (approx), which well fits the
figure.

The official type so far is CR-an (Met. Bull.), or PAUNGR ("A to Z"). Do
you agree ?
I know that both meteorites were studied separately and that the real type
could not be defined.

Note that Weir (his web site) reports, for T-1 (= Tenere 001), a total
weight of exactly 3.636 kg, also that is "brachinite-related" and that Tafa
itself (separately listed by Weir but said being paired with T-1) is a
"PAUNGR, possibly CR-related".
More recent studies seem to still question that CR-relation...

I understand the real type is yet to be defined and that the tkw is close
to 27 at 114 kg, more specifically 12 at 113.636 kg

Norbert, do you think Prof Otto knows more on that or whether they continue
to study this meteorite in Freiburg ?

And Bernd, what you mean by "it's no pairing" ? Everybody seems to agree so
far that the "Freiburg mass" is also Tafa. (?)

All my best,

Zelimir


A 12:19 26/11/2008 +0100, vous avez ?crit :
>Hi Zelimir,
>
>I don't know for NWA 3144, but "Grein 004" is a synonym for Tafassasset -
>I'm pretty sure of that. "Grein 004" was a working name used for the 
>smaller
>mass which was later named as the Tafassasset "Freiburg mass", classified
>and studied by my friend Dr. Otto in Freiburg. You might want to contact
>Juergen Otto in this matter, just to make sure - he can be reached at
>Juergen.Otto at minpet.uni-freiburg.de
>
>Hope this helps...
>
>All the best,
>Norbert
>

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From dave at fallingrocks.com  Wed Nov 26 17:51:55 2008
From: dave at fallingrocks.com (Dave Gheesling)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:51:55 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day -
	November26, 2008
In-Reply-To: <ED5B6AF9605F448A8575D3F9E227C8E0@DJQVK441>
References: <ED5B6AF9605F448A8575D3F9E227C8E0@DJQVK441>
Message-ID: <743D127826DD4F45810D6DF10DBD4419@meteorroom>

All,
In case anyone missed it, the RFSPOD donation link is in Jim's note below
;-)  I'd apologize for the double post, but this is expensive for Michael so
every little bit helps him out very much...
Best,
Dave
www.fallingrocks.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jim Strope
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 1:33 PM
To: Meteorite Central
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day -
November26, 2008

I know it is not obvious from Michael's dailing posting page so here is a
link for those who want to donate:

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/donations.html


Jim Strope
421 Fourth Street
Glen Dale, WV  26038

http://www.catchafallingstar.com

--- On Wed, 11/26/08, Jerry Flaherty <grf2 at verizon.net> wrote:

> From: Jerry Flaherty <grf2 at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - 
> November 26, 2008
> To: "Michael Johnson" <michael at spacerocksinc.com>, "Meteorite List" 
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 12:46 PM Thank you again Michael.
> I think that more folks on the list would like to help you continue to 
> roll out this daily service. If they visit your site they'll become 
> aware that you do this on your own and barely hint that a small 
> donation will help. That and a continuous input by them of their 
> favorites to feed the process all helps to produce our daily fix.
> Jerry Flaherty

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From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Wed Nov 26 17:47:56 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 26 Nov 2008 22:47:56 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Largest fall in the world?
Message-ID: <DIIE.0000005F000035DD@paulinet.de>

Matt is wondering:

"Am wondering what is the largest fall, in terms of kg,
 ever witnessed? Was it Sikhote-Alin at 28 tons??"

Hi Matt and List,

Yes, as far as I can tell ... I had better say as far as my database(s) can tell :-)

1. Sikhote-Alin
2. Jilin
3. Allende
4. Pultusk
5. Norton County


Best pre-Xmas wishes,

Bernd


To: mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com
    meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com


From mexicodoug at aim.com  Wed Nov 26 18:29:54 2008
From: mexicodoug at aim.com (mexicodoug at aim.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:29:54 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Largest fall in the world?
In-Reply-To: <DIIE.0000005F000035DD@paulinet.de>
References: <DIIE.0000005F000035DD@paulinet.de>
Message-ID: <8CB1E36056B2911-648-1A49@WEBMAIL-MA03.sysops.aol.com>

Yes, Matt, of all the?"Official" meteorite names, Sikhote-Alin 
represents:

45.9% of the witnessed TKW in Dr. Grossman's Database.

Dr. Grossman's database does not include Gao and Monze which were 
fairly large falls and could slightly adjust that number down a 
percentage point or two.

Bernd, Kunya-Urgench (plus the so-called "Official" Dashoguz) in your 
database and not make the cut?

For reference when comparing these numbers, the USGS dadabase shows 
Sikhote Alin as 23 metric tons (over 25 of the American 2000 pounder 
tons).

Best wishes,
Doug


-----Original Message-----
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 4:47 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Largest fall in the world?



Matt is wondering:

"Am wondering what is the largest fall, in terms of kg,
 ever witnessed? Was it Sikhote-Alin at 28 tons??"

Hi Matt and List,

Yes, as far as I can tell ... I had better say as far as my database(s) 
can tell
:-)

1. Sikhote-Alin
2. Jilin
3. Allende
4. Pultusk
5. Norton County


Best pre-Xmas wishes,

Bernd


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From holmesw at frontiernet.net  Wed Nov 26 19:24:41 2008
From: holmesw at frontiernet.net (Wayne Holmes)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:24:41 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Todd Parker's new find
Message-ID: <001901c95026$8ae17320$01fea8c0@Buckaroos>

Hello list
Todd Parker found his 4th new find in AZ. Todd has found 2 new areas and may 
receive a classification soon from Ted Bunch on his Bullhead Laughlin find. 
Check out my web site for pics and info.
Regards
Wayne Holmes
http://meteoritesrock.com/ 


From psc2410xi at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 26 19:54:56 2008
From: psc2410xi at yahoo.com (Don Rawlings)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:54:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day My thoughts
In-Reply-To: <ca6.3ac4a402.365ef4df@aol.com>
Message-ID: <477201.57148.qm@web59313.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Take a look through the archives on Michael's site and you may find that there are a lot of postings that correspond to sales.

Maybe a line should be drawn somewhere on this taking advantage of Michael.

Don Rawlings


--- On Wed, 11/26/08, STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com <STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com> wrote:

> From: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com <STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day My thoughts
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 1:52 PM
> I agree,  Michael does us all a favor  nearly every day.  
> 
> My suggestion is that we all ask our selves when  we make a
> submission to 
> Michael for inclusion in his site: Is our submission  just
> to share with all or 
> are we promoting material we may have for  sale?
> 
> If we are using his service as an advertisement then send
> some $  his way.  I 
> have talked to Michael and he is not doing the POD for
> profit,  but there are 
> ongoing costs to maintaining a site with the large amount
> of  images he hosts.
> 
> I have a large image Gallery of micrographs.  I am  lucky
> that Meteorite 
> Times is the host of it.  If I had to maintain it and  pay
> for the cost of keeping 
> it free and available to every one, I would of  closed it
> down long ago.  
> Paul (Meteorite Times) puts in a huge amount of  work into
> the updates and 
> maintenance of my Gallery and I am sure Michael has  just
> as much work maintaining 
> his site.
> 
> I am in no way speaking for any  one!!!  These are just my
> thoughts on the 
> subject.
> 
> Tom  Phillips
> 
> 
> In a message dated 11/26/2008 10:46:47 A.M. Mountain 
> Standard Time, 
> grf2 at verizon.net writes:
> Thank you again Michael.
> I think  that more folks on the list would like to help you
> continue to roll 
> out this  daily service. If they visit your site
> they'll become aware that 
> you do this  on your own and barely hint that a small
> donation will help. 
> That and a  continuous input by them of their favorites to
> feed the process 
> all helps to  produce our daily fix.
> Jerry Flaherty
> ----- Original Message -----  
> From: "Michael Johnson"
> <michael at spacerocksinc.com>
> To: "Meteorite  List"
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November  26, 2008 12:00 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the 
> Day - November 
> 26,2008
> 
> 
> >  http://www.spacerocksinc.com/November_26_2008.html
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From grf2 at verizon.net  Wed Nov 26 20:17:41 2008
From: grf2 at verizon.net (Jerry Flaherty)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:17:41 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Largest fall in the world?
References: <DIIE.0000005F000035DD@paulinet.de>
Message-ID: <EC66A043B8F84CF28E9A853D63251512@ASUS>

I still like the  dinosaur quip!!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bernd.pauli at paulinet.de>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Largest fall in the world?


> Matt is wondering:
>
> "Am wondering what is the largest fall, in terms of kg,
> ever witnessed? Was it Sikhote-Alin at 28 tons??"
>
> Hi Matt and List,
>
> Yes, as far as I can tell ... I had better say as far as my database(s) 
> can tell :-)
>
> 1. Sikhote-Alin
> 2. Jilin
> 3. Allende
> 4. Pultusk
> 5. Norton County
>
>
> Best pre-Xmas wishes,
>
> Bernd
>
>
> To: mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com
>    meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>
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From bobadebt at ec.rr.com  Wed Nov 26 20:29:03 2008
From: bobadebt at ec.rr.com (David & Kitt Deyarmin)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:29:03 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Black Friday - Zag Sale - 24 HOURS ONLY
Message-ID: <FEAE0C9D0EA2497682E7217683E0A20E@David>

I have had a lot of success by offering my large Zag Slices for $2 per gram.

So for 1 day only I will extend that same $2 per gram price to ANY Zag slice 
on my website

I only have 2 large slices left and a nice variety of smaller slices.  All 
of the fragments are sold :)

After tomorrow night the prices will go back up to $3 per gram

I was able to get my photobucket account working so there are updated images 
on my web site at

http://home.ec.rr.com/bobadebt/Rocks/FS%20Zag.htm

If you are interested in anything listed please contact me off list at 
bobadebt at ec.rr.com

Thanks

PS - Sorry for the extra ad this week but it's Black Friday :) 


From jgrossman at usgs.gov  Wed Nov 26 20:45:12 2008
From: jgrossman at usgs.gov (Jeff Grossman)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:45:12 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grein 004/Tafassasset
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20081126171120.02935a80@pop.univ-mulhouse.fr>
References: <5.0.2.1.2.20081126115005.0133df60@pop.univ-mulhouse.fr>
	<mailman.138.1227052988.1545.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
	<5.0.2.1.2.20081126115005.0133df60@pop.univ-mulhouse.fr>
	<5.0.2.1.2.20081126171120.02935a80@pop.univ-mulhouse.fr>
Message-ID: <OFA02198B4.7F6B5655-ON8525750E.0009A8BE@usgs.gov>

I want to reiterate something I've said before:

There is no such thing as an "official" 
classification.  The Meteoritical Bulletin, the 
Catalogue of Meteorites, the MetBull 
Database,  "A to Z," MetBase, other catalogs, and 
all research papers and abstracts are 
publications in which authors/editors classify 
meteorites according to their own opinions.  In 
the case of the Bulletin, the editors are the 
members of the Nomenclature Committee.  However, 
there is no official 
Meteoritical-Society-endorsed classification 
scheme for them to apply, so they do whatever 
they like(and this changes with their membership).

Jeff

At 11:51 AM 11/26/2008, Zelimir Gabelica wrote:
>Hi Norbert, Bernd, Harald, List,
>
>Thank you very much for the info about "Grein 004/Tenere 001/Tafa".
>I indeed read that somewhere sometimes but I 
>have not my archives on hand here in France (BM 
>Met. Catalog (Grady) indeed currently gives most of the meteorite synonyms).
>
>Bernd said:
>
>"Grein 004" as well as "Tenere 001" are just synonyms for the
>Tafassasset Freiburg mass, a single stone weighing 3610 grams.
>It's no pairing.
>
>Bernd, Norbert, does that mean that the tkw for 
>Tafassasset is then 110 kg (Franch find) + 3.61 
>kg ("Grein 004") = 113.61 kg ? (thus 
>27 at 113.61kg  and not 26 at 110 kg as in "A to Z" ?).
>Met. Bull. indeed reports the tkw as 114 kg 
>(approx), which well fits the figure.
>
>The official type so far is CR-an (Met. Bull.), 
>or PAUNGR ("A to Z"). Do you agree ?
>I know that both meteorites were studied 
>separately and that the real type could not be defined.
>
>Note that Weir (his web site) reports, for T-1 
>(= Tenere 001), a total weight of exactly 3.636 
>kg, also that is "brachinite-related" and that 
>Tafa itself (separately listed by Weir but said 
>being paired with T-1) is a "PAUNGR, possibly CR-related".
>More recent studies seem to still question that CR-relation...
>
>I understand the real type is yet to be defined 
>and that the tkw is close to 27 at 114 kg, more specifically 12 at 113.636 kg
>
>Norbert, do you think Prof Otto knows more on 
>that or whether they continue to study this meteorite in Freiburg ?
>
>And Bernd, what you mean by "it's no pairing" ? 
>Everybody seems to agree so far that the "Freiburg mass" is also Tafa. (?)
>
>All my best,
>
>Zelimir
>
>
>A 12:19 26/11/2008 +0100, vous avez ?crit :
>>Hi Zelimir,
>>
>>I don't know for NWA 3144, but "Grein 004" is a synonym for Tafassasset -
>>I'm pretty sure of that. "Grein 004" was a working name used for the smaller
>>mass which was later named as the Tafassasset "Freiburg mass", classified
>>and studied by my friend Dr. Otto in Freiburg. You might want to contact
>>Juergen Otto in this matter, just to make sure - he can be reached at
>>Juergen.Otto at minpet.uni-freiburg.de
>>
>>Hope this helps...
>>
>>All the best,
>>Norbert
>>
>>-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>>
>>Hi List,
>>
>>Heredown is a message of Roger Warin (Belgium) that he apparently can not
>>send through his server.
>>
>>I have my own question:
>>does anybody know the official status of meteorite "Grein 004"  ? (not in
>>Met. Bull.)
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>Zelimir
>>----------------------
>>
>>Hello List,
>>
>>I have put some pics of NWA 3144 (CV3) thin sections on our local site.
>>See here:
>>http://www.agab.be/meteorites/Thin/thin.html
>>
>>Met. Bull. reports that this meteorite (found or purchased by the Hup?s)
>>still has a provisional status.
>>I'd be glad to learn more about this meteorite.
>>Could someone provide some data (if any) or send further comments on its
>>status ?
>>Thanks and all the best,
>>
>>Roger.
>>
>>
>>
>>Prof. Zelimir Gabelica
>>Universit? de Haute Alsace
>>ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC,
>>3, Rue A. Werner,
>>F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France
>>Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94
>>Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15
>>
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>
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>F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France
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From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Thu Nov 27 00:00:56 2008
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 21:00:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - November 27,
	2008
Message-ID: <17750389.1358221227762056246.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/November_27_2008.html


From paul at meteorite.com  Thu Nov 27 00:53:36 2008
From: paul at meteorite.com (Paul Harris)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 21:53:36 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - November
 27, 2008
In-Reply-To: <17750389.1358221227762056246.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>
References: <17750389.1358221227762056246.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>
Message-ID: <492E35E0.5070501@meteorite.com>

Hi Michael !

Thank you so much for being back online!  I'm sorry for whatever 
difficulties kept you away for a while.

I just wanted to say that I don't mind where the pictures come from. I 
think it's more important that you get a steady flow of quality pictures 
so you don't have to waste time trying to acquire them.  You've been 
doing an excellent job for years now and I think you know what works best.

Thank you again!

Paul


Michael Johnson wrote:
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From radio_ranch at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 27 02:38:59 2008
From: radio_ranch at yahoo.com (Pat Brown)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:38:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - November
	27, 2008
In-Reply-To: <17750389.1358221227762056246.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>
Message-ID: <580851.43389.qm@web51304.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi Michael and Fellow Listiods, 

I will add my voice to the chorus, we are glad to see you back on the list with your RfSPOD. I also want to thank Michael Gilmer for filling the void. 

Some of the incredible meteorites on RfSPOD are for sale and are using RfSPOD as an erzats advertising channel. I do not find this offensive, but seeing as there is a revenue channel, why not have a voluntary donation associated with meteorites that are for sale? I would not trouble Michael J with enforcing the collection of this fee, so I propose a gentlemans (and ladies) agreement that meteorites for sale on RfSPOD are associated with a (well deserved) donation to support the effort.

Viva Rocks from Space Picture of the Day

Pat 

--- On Wed, 11/26/08, Michael Johnson <michael at spacerocksinc.com> wrote:

> From: Michael Johnson <michael at spacerocksinc.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - November 27, 2008
> To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 9:00 PM
> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/November_27_2008.html
> 
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From info at meteorites.com.au  Thu Nov 27 05:46:47 2008
From: info at meteorites.com.au (Jeff Kuyken)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 21:46:47 +1100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Largest fall in the world?
In-Reply-To: <CAB0B56AD32D475E94FD4E7EA26FBA4E@bellatrix>
References: <1812176518-1227737698-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-573716010-@bxe202.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<CAB0B56AD32D475E94FD4E7EA26FBA4E@bellatrix>
Message-ID: <D36AF7EA07FB4FC8996CA5417973B46D@JeffPC>

Or...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theia_(planet)

;-)

Cheers,

Jeff

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Peterson" <clp at alumni.caltech.edu>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Largest fall in the world?


> Does "witnessed by dinosaurs" count? <g>
>
> Chris
>
> *****************************************
> Chris L Peterson
> Cloudbait Observatory
> http://www.cloudbait.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 3:11 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Largest fall in the world?
>
>
>> Am wondering what is the largest fall, in terms of kg, ever witnessed? 
>> Was it Sikhote-Alin at 28 tons??
>>
>> Matt
>
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From rockhoundm at abaconet.com.ar  Thu Nov 27 06:11:44 2008
From: rockhoundm at abaconet.com.ar (Eduardo.)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 08:11:44 -0300
Subject: [meteorite-list] Largest fall in the world?
In-Reply-To: <8CB1E36056B2911-648-1A49@WEBMAIL-MA03.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <B0000035599@webmail.abaco.net.ar>

You are missing the largest witnessed fall: Campo del Cielo.
The main mass alone is largest than the tkw of Sikhote-Alin.
Although pre-historic, it fell in a very populated area. It MUST had been
seen by thousands of persons. Although no written documents of the fall
(obviously being prehistoric), transmited legends of all the indians of
the surrounding areas are consistent with this fact, mentioning falling
rocks and fire from the sky.
Eduardo

-----Original Message-----
From: mexicodoug at aim.com
To: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:29:54 -0500
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Largest fall in the world?

> Yes, Matt, of all the??"Official" meteorite names, Sikhote-Alin 
> represents:
> 
> 45.9% of the witnessed TKW in Dr. Grossman's Database.
> 
> Dr. Grossman's database does not include Gao and Monze which were 
> fairly large falls and could slightly adjust that number down a 
> percentage point or two.
> 
> Bernd, Kunya-Urgench (plus the so-called "Official" Dashoguz) in your 
> database and not make the cut?
> 
> For reference when comparing these numbers, the USGS dadabase shows 
> Sikhote Alin as 23 metric tons (over 25 of the American 2000 pounder 
> tons).
> 
> Best wishes,
> Doug
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Sent: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 4:47 pm
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Largest fall in the world?
> 
> 
> 
> Matt is wondering:
> 
> "Am wondering what is the largest fall, in terms of kg,
>  ever witnessed? Was it Sikhote-Alin at 28 tons??"
> 
> Hi Matt and List,
> 
> Yes, as far as I can tell ... I had better say as far as my database(s)
> can tell
> :-)
> 
> 1. Sikhote-Alin
> 2. Jilin
> 3. Allende
> 4. Pultusk
> 5. Norton County
> 
> 
> Best pre-Xmas wishes,
> 
> Bernd
> 
> 
> To: mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com
>     meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> 
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
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From claudiu at tanaselia.ro  Thu Nov 27 08:18:15 2008
From: claudiu at tanaselia.ro (Claudiu Tanaselia)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 15:18:15 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Largest fall in the world?
In-Reply-To: <1812176518-1227737698-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-573716010-@bxe202.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <1812176518-1227737698-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-573716010-@bxe202.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <d75805a60811270518o14143f59w51a329d7f5c20eb5@mail.gmail.com>

My vote goes for Smallville.
:P

Claudiu.

On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 12:11 AM,  <mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com> wrote:
> Am wondering what is the largest fall, in terms of kg, ever witnessed? Was it Sikhote-Alin at 28 tons??
>
> Matt
> ----------------------
> Matt Morgan
> Mile High Meteorites
> http://www.mhmeteorites.com
> P.O. Box 151293
> Lakewood, CO 80215 USA
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From bobadebt at ec.rr.com  Thu Nov 27 08:25:36 2008
From: bobadebt at ec.rr.com (David & Kitt Deyarmin)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 08:25:36 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list]  Black Friday - Zag Sale - 24 HOURS ONLY
Message-ID: <9D363478BAF1471D8B2AFA290F1730DA@David>

I'm a goofball :)

I thought last night was Thursday.  I guess I'm working too much.

Anyway, I hold the sale over till Friday Night.

Sorry for the confusion.


------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



David & Kitt Deyarmin bobadebt at ec.rr.com
Wed Nov 26 20:29:03 EST 2008
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I have had a lot of success by offering my large Zag Slices for $2 per gram.

So for 1 day only I will extend that same $2 per gram price to ANY Zag slice
on my website

I only have 2 large slices left and a nice variety of smaller slices. All
of the fragments are sold :)

After tomorrow night the prices will go back up to $3 per gram

I was able to get my photobucket account working so there are updated images
on my web site at

http://home.ec.rr.com/bobadebt/Rocks/FS%20Zag.htm

If you are interested in anything listed please contact me off list at
bobadebt at ec.rr.com

Thanks

PS - Sorry for the extra ad this week but it's Black Friday :) 


From mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com  Thu Nov 27 08:51:22 2008
From: mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com (mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 13:51:22 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Largest fall in the world?
In-Reply-To: <B0000035599@webmail.abaco.net.ar>
References: <8CB1E36056B2911-648-1A49@WEBMAIL-MA03.sysops.aol.com><B0000035599@webmail.abaco.net.ar>
Message-ID: <1864928075-1227794063-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1956798897-@bxe202.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I wouldn't count this as a witnessed fall since there are no reliable records. Sikhote is still the winner.
Matt
----------------------
Matt Morgan
Mile High Meteorites
http://www.mhmeteorites.com
P.O. Box 151293
Lakewood, CO 80215 USA

-----Original Message-----
From: "Eduardo." <rockhoundm at abaconet.com.ar>

Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 08:11:44 
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Largest fall in the world?


You are missing the largest witnessed fall: Campo del Cielo.
The main mass alone is largest than the tkw of Sikhote-Alin.
Although pre-historic, it fell in a very populated area. It MUST had been
seen by thousands of persons. Although no written documents of the fall
(obviously being prehistoric), transmited legends of all the indians of
the surrounding areas are consistent with this fact, mentioning falling
rocks and fire from the sky.
Eduardo

-----Original Message-----
From: mexicodoug at aim.com
To: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:29:54 -0500
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Largest fall in the world?

> Yes, Matt, of all the??"Official" meteorite names, Sikhote-Alin 
> represents:
> 
> 45.9% of the witnessed TKW in Dr. Grossman's Database.
> 
> Dr. Grossman's database does not include Gao and Monze which were 
> fairly large falls and could slightly adjust that number down a 
> percentage point or two.
> 
> Bernd, Kunya-Urgench (plus the so-called "Official" Dashoguz) in your 
> database and not make the cut?
> 
> For reference when comparing these numbers, the USGS dadabase shows 
> Sikhote Alin as 23 metric tons (over 25 of the American 2000 pounder 
> tons).
> 
> Best wishes,
> Doug
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Sent: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 4:47 pm
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Largest fall in the world?
> 
> 
> 
> Matt is wondering:
> 
> "Am wondering what is the largest fall, in terms of kg,
>  ever witnessed? Was it Sikhote-Alin at 28 tons??"
> 
> Hi Matt and List,
> 
> Yes, as far as I can tell ... I had better say as far as my database(s)
> can tell
> :-)
> 
> 1. Sikhote-Alin
> 2. Jilin
> 3. Allende
> 4. Pultusk
> 5. Norton County
> 
> 
> Best pre-Xmas wishes,
> 
> Bernd
> 
> 
> To: mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com
>     meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> 
>______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 27 09:51:29 2008
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 06:51:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Largest Fall
Message-ID: <450312.88772.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi all - 

At a certain size you don't get large fragments, but instead end up with spherules. A list of the very ancient impacts ancient man witnessed but from which we have no traditions is given in Chapter 2 of my book, Man and Impact in the Americas.

Over the last 13,000 years most impacts were cometary, and so far no larger pieces have been recovered, though the search for crater(s) is on.

Since the recovery of the radio carbon dates for Campo de Cielo, it can be identified in the Maya hieroglyphic records from Palenque. The fall date was 17 February, 2325 BCE (Man and Impact in the Americas, page 97).

For Brenham, it appears that besides the main mass there was a related small iron shower in the east which the Five Nations remembered (Man and Impact in the Americas, page 354).

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas

 


      

From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 27 10:41:00 2008
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 07:41:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] More on Whitecourt
Message-ID: <576416.22280.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi all - 

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/New_tool_to_help_find_hidden_meteorite_craters_999.html

The date is unusual.

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas


      

From grf2 at verizon.net  Thu Nov 27 10:44:01 2008
From: grf2 at verizon.net (Jerry Flaherty)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:44:01 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Largest fall in the world?
References: <1812176518-1227737698-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-573716010-@bxe202.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<CAB0B56AD32D475E94FD4E7EA26FBA4E@bellatrix>
	<D36AF7EA07FB4FC8996CA5417973B46D@JeffPC>
Message-ID: <C9D21D6DB1724EDC8F93C157F2525DC4@ASUS>

I witlessly remember witnessing that on TV!!!!!!!!!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Kuyken" <info at meteorites.com.au>
To: "Chris Peterson" <clp at alumni.caltech.edu>; 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 5:46 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Largest fall in the world?


> Or...
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theia_(planet)
>
> ;-)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Chris Peterson" <clp at alumni.caltech.edu>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 9:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Largest fall in the world?
>
>
>> Does "witnessed by dinosaurs" count? <g>
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> *****************************************
>> Chris L Peterson
>> Cloudbait Observatory
>> http://www.cloudbait.com
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com>
>> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 3:11 PM
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Largest fall in the world?
>>
>>
>>> Am wondering what is the largest fall, in terms of kg, ever witnessed? 
>>> Was it Sikhote-Alin at 28 tons??
>>>
>>> Matt
>>
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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>>
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From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 27 10:45:37 2008
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 07:45:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Holocene start impacts
Message-ID: <648173.60031.qm@web36906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi all - 

It was hypothesized originally that the reason no crater(s) were found for the Holocene start impacts was because it (they) occured over ice. But the new nano-diamond studies mentioned tree sap as the source for the carbon in the nano-diamonds.

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas  


      

From midwest at meteorman.org  Thu Nov 27 13:35:07 2008
From: midwest at meteorman.org (Timothy Heitz)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 12:35:07 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Murchison meteorite wanted
References: <9D363478BAF1471D8B2AFA290F1730DA@David>
Message-ID: <97797E35F8F04C8F863D344B09510D7F@den>

Hello List,

I'm looking for a 10+ gram piece of Murchison 

e-mail off list if you have a piece forsale 

Thanks,
Tim Heitz

From mlblood at cox.net  Thu Nov 27 16:42:26 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 13:42:26 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] ad
In-Reply-To: <C9D21D6DB1724EDC8F93C157F2525DC4@ASUS>
Message-ID: <C5545442.1C4B0%mlblood@cox.net>

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From mlblood at cox.net  Thu Nov 27 16:47:28 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 13:47:28 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] L'Aigle meteorite wanted
In-Reply-To: <97797E35F8F04C8F863D344B09510D7F@den>
Message-ID: <C5545570.1C4B3%mlblood@cox.net>

In the spirit of "wanted," I would like to get
Some L'Aigle - any size(s).
   Thanks, Michael 


on 11/27/08 10:35 AM, Timothy Heitz at midwest at meteorman.org wrote:

> Hello List,
> 
> I'm looking for a 10+ gram piece of Murchison
> 
> e-mail off list if you have a piece forsale
> 
> Thanks,
> Tim Heitz
> ______________________________________________
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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 15:38:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad : Heart-shaped Meteorites cabs
Message-ID: <878247.41894.qm@web53304.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 20:09:25 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] test
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